1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,920 your support for the third hour here News Talk eleven, 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,320 ten ninety nine to three WBT. Let's welcome back to 11 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:36,039 the program. AP Dylan. You can read her work at 12 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:39,359 the North State Journal NSJ online. Also, she has her 13 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:43,679 substack AP Dylan dot substack dot com. AP. Thanks for 14 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:46,759 joining me. How are you today, I'm doing well. 15 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. 16 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: All set for the long session in Raleigh. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,479 Speaker 2: Well, I've had assurances from both Senate leader Burger House 18 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:04,359 Speaker Dustin Hall that they would like to see us 19 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:07,319 out by June. And if I could take to the bank. 20 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:10,159 How many times a leadership has said that they wanted 21 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:12,159 to be out by June. H I would be a 22 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:13,280 rich person by now. 23 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it tends to run long. Even the short 24 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:19,560 sessions run long nowadays, it seems. 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: Yes they do. 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So you have been tracking what has 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,200 been filed so far, and I think the number, the 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,319 last number I saw you had was three hundred and 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,920 ten bills filed so far in the General Assembly. Is 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,920 that I'm assuming week at the. 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: End of last week. I haven't looked this morning to 32 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:39,760 see what, okay to the. 33 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: File, right, I assume it's going to. 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: Be more Oh, yeah, it's going to be more. 35 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Right and so all right, So first off, there are 36 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,239 some deadlines here for when these bills have to get fired. 37 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:52,920 I'm a filed rather and I'm not going to go 38 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:57,519 through all of the specific deadlines, but there is the 39 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,000 big day that everybody focuses on, which is crossover day. Right, 40 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:04,159 This is what May eighth, and that's when all the 41 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,560 bills that get filed in the House have to cross 42 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:09,280 over to the Senate if they're going to move and 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,199 get approved, and the Senate bills go the other direction. 44 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:13,639 So they call it crossover day. 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: So I think that excludes local bills I think are 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,759 excluded from that, and a couple other types. But the 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,080 majority of the public bills have to be passed by 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,360 one of the by that chamber in order to be 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,520 considered during crossover. 50 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Right and local bills are important. Just for noting here 51 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:35,199 that these are specific for smaller areas, Like if it's 52 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,439 something about I think Mecklenburg County just saw something about 53 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,240 their transit sales tax referendum, so that would be a 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,080 local bill you don't need the entire state to vote on. 55 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:46,800 I'm assuming it's a local bill, you don't need the 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,800 whole state to vote on that. 57 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:50,879 Speaker 2: Right, that's correct. You'll see a lot of education bills 58 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,879 that are also local bills, which is honestly, this is 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,759 one thing that has piqued my interest in the last 60 00:02:56,759 --> 00:03:00,280 few years. The number of bills filed in the House 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,560 and then the Senate lately asking for school calendar flexibility 62 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:09,039 has increased quite a bit over the last couple of years. 63 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:10,560 I wrote about this a couple of years ago for 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,400 Nurse State, and I was looking at it this year, 65 00:03:13,879 --> 00:03:16,960 and as of last week, there were fifteen calendar bills 66 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:22,800 that were filed for various districts and two standalone bills. 67 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 One was Senate built one o three in the Otherland's 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,159 House built one twenty one and those two bills are 69 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,400 nearly identical, and they basically want all districts to have 70 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:34,599 calendar flexibility of when they opened close, right. 71 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: And this makes sense in a state that's got the 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,840 you know, weather diversity and geographic diversity, topographical diversity from 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,800 mountains to the coast, right, you had different areas that 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,759 that may not need to be in school for the 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 exact same length. I mean they have to make the 76 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:55,759 same they have to hit a minimum number of instructional days, 77 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,240 but where those days are allocated it seems like might 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 be better a decided at the local level. But I 79 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,680 think this is still a remnant of the power of 80 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,879 the tourism industry, right. They want they want to be 81 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:09,879 able for everybody to be off at the same time, 82 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:12,759 so all the tourism flocks down to the coast. That's 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,159 how I understood the issue. 84 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,639 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the tourism lobby is pretty strong on us. 85 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:21,720 The current K twelve calendar law in our state, it 86 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:23,959 requires a minimum of one hundred and eighty five days 87 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:29,160 or one twenty five hours of instruction, and under that law, 88 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,759 the school start date can be no earlier than the 89 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,680 Monday closest to August twenty sixth and the end date 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,600 no later than the Friday closest to June eleventh. So 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,199 that puts, you know, districts in a buying like for example, 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,319 we kind of just had three school days missed for 93 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,959 you know, the snowstorm that we had here, and they 94 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:51,879 don't have any more bank days, so they can't push 95 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,439 out their end date which is close to June eleventh 96 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:58,800 or on June eleventh, and so they had to claw 97 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,199 back the teacher worked through the teacher work based for 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,920 the traditional calendar kids and some of the year around 99 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,519 calendar kids are having to go to school for three 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,000 hours on a Saturday. So I mean, it's a little weird. 101 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,920 But the Senate has had no appetite for changing the 102 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,240 calendar law. The last time I interviewed Senate Leader Berger 103 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:20,920 was I believe two years ago on this issue, and 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,000 at that point he said he saw no reason to 105 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:26,240 change to change it around. But here we have fifteen 106 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,839 plus two standalone bills, one Senate, one in the House 107 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,839 asking for such a change. I don't wonder if it's 108 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:35,000 going to see a little bit more conversation this time around. 109 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:38,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we do know if Medicaid expansion was any 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,199 indication Senator Burger can have a change of heart and 111 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,079 mind on. 112 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Medicaid's about to have some issues though. I mean, 113 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,879 the Fed sort of promised us, you know, the ninety 114 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:52,759 percent reimbursement rate, but I just don't see that happening. No. 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,959 And I also think that, well, you know, and it's 116 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:58,920 into our Medicaid expansion that if they don't make that 117 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,480 ninety percent, then they can start slashing back the funding 118 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,000 or basically rescinding the expansion. And whether or not the 119 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,040 lawmakers will have the guts to actually do that remains 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,360 to be seen. But you know, that's that's an interesting 121 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,639 piece that I don't wonder if that might get addressed 122 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:20,040 a little bit. I saw a couple of bills in 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,560 here that have to do with health care. Let's see, 124 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:29,600 let me scroll down Senate Bell twenty four. It's talking 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,319 about addressing increasing health care costs because according to a 126 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:35,519 couple of different outlantes, I think Forbes was one of them, 127 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,920 where the we're the most expensive state in the nation 128 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,240 for health care. So they want to drive down costs 129 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:47,959 that are driven by quote, government mandated health insurance as 130 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,680 well as any new legislation with health benefit mandates has 131 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 to repeal an equal number of zigozzing mandates and have 132 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,360 the equal impact and funding, so you can't put something 133 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,199 new in without taking something old out that costs the same. 134 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think those are called pay forwards, like you 135 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,120 got to show how are you going to pay for it? 136 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,759 So yeah, if you and I'm okay with that idea 137 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:12,120 as a concept. Sure. 138 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's almost identical measure in the House. That's housebal 139 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,800 forty six. So sent a bill twenty four in Houspital 140 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:18,920 forty six on that one. 141 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,959 Speaker 1: Have you seen anything or heard anything regarding the certificate 142 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:22,959 of need laws. 143 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:27,759 Speaker 2: No, but I did attend an event a week or 144 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:32,959 so back that had healthcare folks there who came and 145 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,399 talked to legislators and lawmakers. It was It was an 146 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:41,160 event by North Carolina Partnership for Reform. They had Scott 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Jennings from CNN as their lead speaker at the luncheon part, 148 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:47,879 but earlier on they had a healthcare guy in there 149 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,639 who was talking about how healthcare costs have surpassed college 150 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:57,519 tuition for cost that's impressive. Yeah, there were some interesting things. 151 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,319 I'm going to have an article driving at North State 152 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,279 this week out that event. And there will be a 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,120 nugget in there about the healthcare pieces that were in there. 154 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,319 Speaker 1: Right because and I also saw some stories within the 155 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:10,800 last week, I want to say, of some certificate of 156 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:15,279 need proposal, and there was like some there were people 157 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:17,560 complaining about I guess it like a public hearing or something. 158 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,639 And for people who don't know, this is a stupid 159 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,000 law that the government has to approve whether or not 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,920 a new medical facility opens in any given area, and 161 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:30,920 they have to issue this certificate of need after the 162 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:34,000 government determines that there is a need for this service, 163 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,440 which is asinine because the government is not the expert 164 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:39,720 in this the medical facilities. 165 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,879 Speaker 2: And it's a barrier to entry for one, for certain things, 166 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,960 it's a jacks up costs for another thing. It's a 167 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,360 little bit of rent seeking behavior on the government's part, 168 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,039 you know. And it's also a protectionist and the part 169 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,639 of the bigger providers out there. Yeah, I mean, it's 170 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,120 all around. It's not a good thing. And the expert 171 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,480 that spoke at the event that I went to called 172 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:04,519 North Carolina's con laws the worst in the nation of 173 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,840 all states that still have these kind of laws. And 174 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,039 I think there's only about a dozen of them left, 175 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:10,240 and I. 176 00:09:10,159 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Don't even hear a defense of the laws on their value, 177 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:16,399 you know, Like all I hear is like, well, I 178 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,840 don't know if there's an appetite to vote them away yet, 179 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:21,360 Like that kind of a thing. I never hear, like 180 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:26,759 a definitive case made in support of these types of laws. 181 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:30,720 You know, they make claims that they do things that 182 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:34,360 they obviously do not, like rate like lower costs, and 183 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:35,639 they definitely don't do that. 184 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: It keeps for the public from being able to shop 185 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:42,480 around for the best deal, right you know. I mean 186 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,600 we can we can do anything we want, and we 187 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:48,279 can customize pretty much anything we want, from like our 188 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:51,600 phone to our fruit loops. But we can't customize our 189 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:54,840 healthcare right for you know, to find the best deal 190 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:55,320 out there. 191 00:09:55,399 --> 00:09:56,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,159 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. 193 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:01,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember there was a colonoscopy I think clinic 194 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,039 that wanted to open on the county line Buncom and 195 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,840 Henderson County about a decade ago, and there were people 196 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,000 showing up from the community that were just like, I 197 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,720 don't think we need this, Like, well, that's not your 198 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,279 call to make, Like why do I care what some 199 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,919 random person showing up at a hearing is saying you're 200 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,039 not an expert in the Have you run a market 201 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,159 analysis on this, No, so it just limits competition and 202 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,480 options for the consumer. Yep, yeah, well you can read that. 203 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:31,799 There are way more bills, obviously three hundred of them. 204 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:33,639 Now AP doesn't go through all of them, but she 205 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,679 goes through a bunch over at North State Journal n 206 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:40,879 sjonline dot com headline, legislative session opens with more than 207 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:43,840 two hundred bills, and then on her substack she's added 208 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:47,600 even more. That's AP Dylan dot substack dot com. AP. 209 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,440 Thanks for your time. I appreciate it. We'll talk with 210 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,080 you next week. 211 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thanks Pete, all right. 212 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, stories are powerful. They help us 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,720 make sense of things, to understand experiences. 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In her 231 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,480 substack piece called over three hundred bills filed so far 232 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:08,600 at NCGA, she highlights a number of different bills and 233 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,000 in the North State Journal article as well, but for example, 234 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,159 Republicans have filed some bills she says that mirror Trump 235 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:23,919 administration agenda items like ending DEI, protecting farmland from foreign ownership, 236 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:29,039 as well as no tax on tips. Democrats have been 237 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,919 filing the same type of bills that they file every year. 238 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,519 On marriage equality and altering the state constitution by removing 239 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,559 the provision recognizing marriage as between one man and one 240 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,159 woman that was a constitutional amendment if I recall correctly 241 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Amendment one as it was called. And then there's this, 242 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:55,559 a bill filed in the Senate would protect arrest mugshots 243 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,960 from being published and would make them non public records, 244 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,840 meaning nobody could obtain them even through a public records request. 245 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:12,240 Senate Bill one twenty nine was filed by Senator Tim Moffatt, 246 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:17,279 who I know. He was a representative in bunkhom County, 247 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:23,320 Ashville area, or he was a state representative, I should say. 248 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:30,000 He then lost to Brian Turner, and then he moved 249 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:34,240 down to Henderson County and is now a state senator 250 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,000 from Henderson County. There are no other sponsors listed on 251 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:43,519 the bill as of AP's post. The bill, she says, 252 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,360 as a parent and a tax paying citizen, is not 253 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:49,639 only alarming, it represents the protection of criminals at the 254 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:52,559 expense of public safety in the public's right to information. 255 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,320 As a reporter, this is an anti transparency bill. It 256 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:59,720 blocks access to information that the public pays for and 257 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:04,120 has a right too. So this is one of those 258 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:07,399 it's one of those issues I can I can make 259 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:16,440 the argument either way, because there are websites that scrape 260 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,279 the mugshot. Well, you know pool if you will, and 261 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,919 they get all of these photos from various you know, 262 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,679 law enforcement entities around the country, and they then post 263 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:34,919 the mug shots. I mean think there's even like a magazine. 264 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,200 I think it was like I remember there being like 265 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,440 a little you know, it looks like the Penny Trader 266 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,080 or something. It was at gas stations in the Asheville 267 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:45,519 area years ago. I don't know if they still do it, 268 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,159 and it would publish like all of these mug shots 269 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:52,799 and names and charges that were filed against various people. Now, 270 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,120 keep in mind, simply being arrested and charged does not 271 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,480 mean that you are guilty at that step, right, So 272 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:04,240 that's one aspect of it. And when you have, you know, 273 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,799 somebody a neighbor gets arrested for indecent liberties with a minor, 274 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:10,000 you want to know who they are, what they look like. 275 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:14,360 You know, it's an easy way to be informed about 276 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,759 a potential threat in your neighborhood. So I understand the 277 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:24,879 argument that AP lays out here. There's also there's also 278 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,840 another sort of permutation of the magazine with all the mugshots, 279 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:36,159 which is essentially a scam operation where if you've ever 280 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:42,320 been arrested then these people, these organizations will get your 281 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,960 information and they will they will charge you money. They'll 282 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,679 try to get money out of you to erase your 283 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,840 mugshot or push it down in the search results and 284 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:59,080 all of that. And so there's this, and they are 285 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:05,039 oftentimes the very ones who are promoting your mugshot. And 286 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,639 sometimes they put your mugshot onto a website with charges 287 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:12,919 that you actually never were charged with. And so you 288 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,000 see this and it's like, wait, I got arrested for 289 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,519 a you know, open container as a twenty year old 290 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:23,360 or something at an off campus college party. Right, So 291 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,639 you get arrested, and then they take your mug shot 292 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:29,840 and it's five ten years later, and they've attached something 293 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:32,320 else to it and now some other charge to it, 294 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,679 and now you want to get that removed, and lo 295 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:37,600 and behold, you can go to them and pay them 296 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:40,200 that posted it. You could pay them a bunch of 297 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,039 money and have it removed. So there is this, I 298 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,600 would say, you know, highly unethical, if not a criminal, 299 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,200 enterprise that has emerged around this. Now. I don't know 300 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,759 what the exact rationale is for this bill, but that 301 00:16:54,879 --> 00:17:01,440 is one of them. There is also uh too, where 302 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:03,799 is it she's got a whole list of them here 303 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:09,039 at the North State Journal. Oh yes, the DMV. The DMV, 304 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,319 which do you remember, Like ten years ago Pat McCrory 305 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,519 got elected. He was like, we're gonna overhaul the DMV 306 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,839 and we're gonna make it more customer friendly. Customer service 307 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,480 needs to be something we really focus on. Remember all 308 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:26,960 of that. I guess they you know, Pat lost his reelection, 309 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:30,519 so I guess we just abandoned all of that. And yeah, 310 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:32,440 because like I had to take a day off of 311 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,640 work and drive almost one hundred miles to get to 312 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,559 a DMV for an appointment so I can get my 313 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,839 license renewed, which was weird because I had just gotten 314 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:44,440 the real ID license about a year prior, but they 315 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,079 didn't count that as a renewal. They counted it as 316 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,039 a duplicate, even though it was not a duplicate. It 317 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,200 was an upgrade to the real ID where I had 318 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,279 to show them all of the information, but I didn't 319 00:17:55,279 --> 00:18:04,119 get the eye test, so it didn't count. Yeah, all right, 320 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,960 if you're listening to this show, you know I try 321 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,720 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 322 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:10,119 I know you do too, and you've probably heard me say, 323 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,279 get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well, because it's 324 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:17,000 how you detect media bias, which is why I've been 325 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,599 so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's 326 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,559 a website and it combines news from around the world 327 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:27,039 in one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. 328 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:30,599 You can check it out at check dot ground, dot 329 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,759 news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast 330 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,799 description too. 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Senate Bill sixty three 341 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:19,319 would create a board of motor vehicles. I know there's 342 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,680 a joke there about being bored with motor vehicles that 343 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,839 I won't make it anyway, He would have nine members, 344 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,440 and there would be a study for potentially creating a 345 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:37,799 Motor Vehicle Authority to replace the North Carolina Division of 346 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,119 Motor Vehicles. The study is due by January one, twenty 347 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,599 twenty six. The bill's primary sponsors or one of them 348 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,079 is Michael Lazara, Republican from Onslow County. He has been 349 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,960 vocal about wanting to privatize the DMV. The agency and 350 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:03,599 its chief, Wayne Goodwin, Democrat, were questioned by lawmakers Way 351 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,759 Goodwin by the Way's former Democrat Party State Party Executive Director. 352 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,000 I believe they were questioned by lawmakers on various issues 353 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:19,039 during three oversight hearings last year. So the creation of 354 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,200 this Board of Motor Vehicles with nine members to do 355 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:27,240 the study as to whether or not to create a 356 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:30,960 Motor Vehicle Authority which would then hire some private company 357 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:34,519 to run the DMV, which in this case, at this point, 358 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:40,519 like I'm ill, I cry uncle with the DMV, Like 359 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,640 I don't think, I don't think it's repairable. I don't understand. 360 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,559 I don't understand, Like did you hire the entire Obamacare 361 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,680 web development team to do your DMV site? It's oh, 362 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,279 it's so bad, it's so bad, and like trying to 363 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,759 schedule DMV appointments and like, oh, well you can walk in, Like, yeah, 364 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:08,400 you might be able to walk in if you're out 365 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,400 in the middle of nowhere. Try to walk in and 366 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,880 see somebody in West Charlotte. That's it's not gonna happen. 367 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,480 The line is out the door, like through the parking 368 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,720 lot around the building. It's awful. And there aren't any appointments. 369 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,559 You can't even see appointments. You can't schedule appointments that 370 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,000 are more than like thirty days out or something, so 371 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,000 you can't even look like, Okay, I know my license 372 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:35,880 is expiring in six months and I have to go in. 373 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,599 You're requiring me to go in, so I'd like to 374 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:42,920 make an appointment. Oh sorry, there are no appointments at 375 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,240 this DMV office. Okay, Well how about in the in 376 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,160 month two? No, sorry, we don't even open that calendar 377 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,960 for you. You can't even look at that. Okay, Well 378 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,039 how about if is there another appointment somewhere in my vicinity. Well, 379 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:00,119 here's a list of every single DMV office alphabetically, and 380 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,920 you can pull from the list, like what, I don't 381 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,079 know where some of these offices are and then you 382 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,279 got to open up the individual office and you've got 383 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:14,880 to punch in the dates and you've got to find out, okay, 384 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,759 do you have any appointments available? 385 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:17,079 Speaker 2: Like? 386 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,319 Speaker 1: It takes so long, it's so not user friendly. How 387 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,200 is this possible? How do you not have somebody that 388 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,680 can set up some sort of calendar system. There are 389 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:36,359 literally free programs that are available for scheduling meetings and 390 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,799 making schedules, making appointments. We deal with them all the 391 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:43,519 time on apps and such. Don't tell me that this 392 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:47,440 is technology that is so beyond the capability of the DMV. 393 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:55,519 Ugh Stan says. You can only call something customer service 394 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,079 if it's something that you're purchasing where you're not obligated 395 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,119 to do so. With government, you are obligated. So therefore 396 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,880 they don't care if you wait in line or not, 397 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,799 and they never will since you're required to deal with 398 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:10,000 them regardless. Yeah, now I get it, But I mean, 399 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,880 but you can you can set up a sort of 400 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:20,799 you know, an internal culture that prioritizes that, and you know, 401 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,880 you can offer incentives for employees to behave in customer 402 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,880 friendly ways, and you can design your website to be 403 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,599 more user friendly. And this is. This is not just DMV, 404 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,240 by the way, this happens all the time in the 405 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,720 private sector too, where it's like they never talk to 406 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:41,000 their users to find out what the user wants. They 407 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,160 just think it'd be cool to offer this and that 408 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,039 and this bell and those whistles, and the user doesn't 409 00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:49,200 actually want any of that stuff. A smart company will 410 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,559 look at that, look at the metrics and say, oh, 411 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,559 I see nobody is actually using these bells and whistles 412 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,200 that we put on the site, So why don't we 413 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,519 get rid of them? Right? But don't know if there's 414 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:06,160 an incentive for DMV to do it, it's just ugh, yeah, 415 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:12,759 it's not good. There's also House Bill sixty four, which 416 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,160 proposes a constitutional amendment which we would then get to 417 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,720 vote on, which would require the governor to obtain majority 418 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:25,839 approval from both houses of the General Assembly for any 419 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:33,519 clemency grants so reprieves commutations and pardons, So the governor 420 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,759 would no longer have carte blanche authority to just pardon 421 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:39,559 a whole bunch of people. They would have the governor 422 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,839 would have to get a majority vote on the pardons 423 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,680 and the commutations and such from each house in the legislature. 424 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,079 Constitutional amendment bills are not subject to gubernatorial vetos, and 425 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,400 so if it is passed out of the General Assembly, 426 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,599 it would then just go to us the voters for 427 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:04,720 a vote come November. But I mean it's got to 428 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,400 clear the House and Senate first before we ever get 429 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,559 a chance to vote on it. Okay, let me talk 430 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,960 to Charlie. Charlie, welcome to the program. 431 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,079 Speaker 3: Hey, Pete's take an awful lot of sense there on 432 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,640 this DMV. I'm right up the alley on that. I've 433 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720 been working on it for six months. You know what 434 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:24,480 we need to do. 435 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: What's that. 436 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: We need to make it so your tag is permanent 437 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,319 with your vehicle unless you trade it or junk it. 438 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,000 There's no use renewing a dad burned tag every year 439 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,559 and have somebody tracked at and waste time out of 440 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:46,640 your life and simplify people's dag dum situation on their vehicles. 441 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: So the I will say that the DMV, So all right, 442 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,000 the the tag isn't being renewed, well, the registration is 443 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,960 being renewed, and then the taxes have to get paid, right, 444 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,920 so that's how they do that. And then the inspection 445 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359 in Mecklenburg County, but not all counties I think have 446 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,160 to do the inspections and so. 447 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: Not all but not all, not all states make you 448 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:13,200 renew your tag. You're paying a tag fee too. Ah, yeah, 449 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,759 some one's getting paid the track. 450 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's truly. So like if you want to 451 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,319 do the inspection and you want to you know, uh, 452 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,920 charge the taxes, the property taxes, which go to Mecklenburg County, 453 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,720 right uh. And I think the state maybe as well 454 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,160 on that. But but yeah, there is a tag renewal 455 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,000 and I don't know if they're making money on that 456 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,559 or if that's just to cover the cost of the 457 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:39,319 administration of it. But yeah, they did do away with 458 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,200 it because you used to have to get the two 459 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,720 stickers and now at least they're down to just one sticker, 460 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:46,880 one for the inspection. Right. You get the little the 461 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,039 little sticker when you have your car inspected, and then 462 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:53,839 the state is alerted by the inspection shop and then 463 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,319 you get the sticker in the mail when you pay 464 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,880 your taxes. 465 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: Right, but you know, the inspections are route. They don't 466 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,920 do anything if your cars ten years or older last 467 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,480 they just they just put it competer and check every 468 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,039 thing out and give you a stick er. They don't 469 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,079 do anything there. 470 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,799 Speaker 1: No, they always tell me I need new tires. No, 471 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:21,799 they say I need new tires. Yeah, yeah, right, Charlie. 472 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,160 I appreciate the call, Sarah, thank you. Yeah. Well, and 473 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,400 you know, break light is out, headlight is out, those 474 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,559 kinds of things. But yeah, I mean it's it's like 475 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,160 if you go to a shop and they do you know, 476 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240 a multi point inspection anyway, like you're gonna get the 477 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:42,000 same kind of stuff you know when you bring it 478 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,720 in there for that. Now, the key there is like 479 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,480 the emissions tests, I think where you've like we're in 480 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,000 a in an urban zone and so we have to 481 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:53,920 have the emissions tests. I don't know if that's a 482 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,200 state law, if that came down from the EPA or not. 483 00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,319 I forget. I think there's something to do with like 484 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,079 population size and density that require certain areas to have 485 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,640 the the emissions tests as part of the annual inspections. 486 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,599 But I don't remember. I'm just interested in exploring the 487 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,720 idea of making the DMV something other than it is, 488 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,039 which is in its current state pretty awful. That's it. So, 489 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,359 and you know, maybe more offices you know self, serve 490 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,400 kiosks and stuff like that. Maybe I don't know. I'm 491 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,039 just spitballing here. I'm not on the board, so but 492 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,680 I welcome the opportunity. Here's a great idea. 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Like you get these false you get false 522 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,680 hope when you're on the DMV side, like oh, there's 523 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,279 a there's an office, it's kind of availability, and then 524 00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,880 you click on it and it's gone. It was never 525 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,960 there to begin with. Maybe, or am I to believe 526 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,079 that somebody happened to be confirming their appointment just as 527 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,319 I was looking. It's just awful, So maybe we'll see 528 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,359 some improvement there with this state legislation. What else, House 529 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,680 Bill five and Senate Bill fifty would allow individuals to 530 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,960 be able to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. Notably, 531 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Senate Leader Phil Berger has given is backing as co 532 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:06,119 sponsor of the Senate version. Ap Dyllon at North State 533 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480 Journal reports, in line with the US Houses Protecting Privacy 534 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:12,920 and Purchases Act, House Bill thirty eight would prohibit credit 535 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,960 card companies from using any kind of coding for firearms. So, 536 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,920 because this was happening, credit card companies were adding codes 537 00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,079 and then not allowing you to use a credit card 538 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,519 to purchase a firearm. It's like, well, how do I 539 00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:30,200 get my miles? 540 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: Then? 541 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:36,319 Speaker 1: Right, I want my miles, but you shouldn't be. So 542 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,920 that would prohibit the card companies from creating the codes 543 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,119 and using anything like that to tag and track purchases, 544 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,440 as well as from discriminating against firearms purchasers and vendors. 545 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:51,640 And then there would be a civil penalty of up 546 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,799 to ten thousand dollars per violation in the bill. There's 547 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,400 another bill that would shorten the early voting peer to 548 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:08,519 just one week and oh. Also, Senate Bill fifty five, 549 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,720 along with House Bill eighty seven, both target cell phone 550 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,319 use in K twelve schools. That is a topic for 551 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,200 another day, but I do intend to do I've been 552 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,119 collecting show prep on that topic and we'll tackle it 553 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440 at some point here. Now that we've got legislation filed, 554 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,839 I'll take a look at those bills too, and we'll 555 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:34,680 hash it out. All right. That'll do it for this episode. 556 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,799 Thank you so much for listening. I could not do 557 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,000 the show without your support and the support of the 558 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,079 businesses that advertise on the podcast, so if you'd like, 559 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,279 please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 560 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960 You can also become a patron at my Patreon page 561 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,640 or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. 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