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Speaker 1: A little fish, A little fish in, Yeah, little fish.
Speaker 5: It looks like uh, you know who? He looks like Kid.
Speaker 6: Rock, Thank you? Yeah, yeah, but you know what, it's
Speaker 6: Saint Patty's Day is coming up. I'm Irish. Listen. If
Speaker 6: you can have a black month, you can have an
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Speaker 5: Irish Irish. What do you Moury, Maury Dempsey.
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Speaker 8: Actually I was out there teaching the GUARDI, which is
Speaker 8: the National Police and the Brigade in Tullomore outside of Dublin.
Speaker 6: This is like about two thousand and five.
Speaker 8: And I was lucky enough that the owner, the chief there,
Speaker 8: his brother owned the tavern in Tullomar, so they were
Speaker 8: open twenty four because I was able a bunch of guys.
Speaker 6: So I had my martinis and I did drink the guests.
Speaker 5: I'll admit that I don't like to get I'll take
Speaker 5: the martinis. Yeah, good, leave the gun. Look who's in
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Speaker 6: Oh, Jimmy boy fire Riders. Great guy, Jimmy.
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Speaker 5: All right, tonight, it's old school health and safety tip, dude,
Speaker 5: I know we say it all the time, early detection.
Speaker 5: You don't get everything checked out, But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 5: guys forget all the time the skin. Mike, you gotta
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Speaker 7: You what but you got a little the you know,
Speaker 7: the good side. I got the you know a little
Speaker 7: bit of that skin.
Speaker 5: Gonzo just sent you something.
Speaker 7: We got Yeah, they comes through yet.
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Speaker 6: For all.
Speaker 5: Ammen. Brother, Amen. We've got Todd Swansby in here from
Speaker 5: Wisconsin and cheesehead.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Actually, Todd, I need him to verify what he
Speaker 7: meant by his statement last Thursday for Peter to train me.
Speaker 7: I want to know.
Speaker 5: Somebody somebody's taking a little hat wow obviously.
Speaker 7: Wowings No, not at all, not at all. Just know
Speaker 7: I'm paying attention. I got your number.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, he's watching you. Do you get that picture?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm working on it right now. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: kill some.
Speaker 9: Times, working pick up on my clues to think stuff.
Speaker 7: Alright, there you go, all right, thank you.
Speaker 5: Wanting the bank the bank.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize. I didn't realize that kid
Speaker 1: Rock had that hair like that.
Speaker 5: Like like Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly to be like Mike.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a few more shekels than I think.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm doing all right. I I you know, I'm
Speaker 6: on a limited income, but I understand.
Speaker 10: All right, I mean what you're saying, man, watch the
Speaker 10: money a little bit.
Speaker 5: Who wants to start off? I want to start off.
Speaker 7: No, we can let mister Miller. He's the guy. We'll
Speaker 7: let him come in. I'm not just trying where we
Speaker 7: can let the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, here's the deal. This was a tough week
Speaker 6: for a lot of guys on the job.
Speaker 8: Monday was I think the thirtieth anniversary of Tom William
Speaker 8: Blind to Do to Death. Yesterday was the ninety three
Speaker 8: attack of the World Trade Center.
Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken it, Oh no, that was, Yeah,
Speaker 6: today was the explose I forgot to I forgot my phone.
Speaker 6: The phone the phone explosion.
Speaker 1: With seventy five, nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 6: So it's been a long week.
Speaker 8: And then hopefully some of us will be able to
Speaker 8: get a chance to go to the hundredth anniversary of.
Speaker 5: Rescue Two's Saturday, I believe right.
Speaker 8: Yes, Saturday at the Stirling Place in Brooklyn. It's centennial,
Speaker 8: So I hope they'll go there and beat up on
Speaker 8: Liam a little bit, bring him down to size.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm also going to do the nexte your proby,
Speaker 7: it was your approbate when he when he got to four.
Speaker 6: Basically yeah, except I had to go like that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: a big guy.
Speaker 8: And then uh I bought the cubes and Louis earlier
Speaker 8: that uh I was gracious, graciously and invited on the fourth,
Speaker 8: April fifth and six to do a seminar and a
Speaker 8: walk through at the story of explosion off for this day.
Speaker 8: So I'm looking forward to doing that with the National
Speaker 8: Form fire Fight his Foundation. So you know, we all
Speaker 8: do what then we all play it four which is good.
Speaker 5: Where is that taking place, Mike at the Rock? At
Speaker 5: the Rock?
Speaker 6: Okay, I have fifty people from what I was told, and.
Speaker 5: Can anybody go or you gotta get tickets for it or.
Speaker 6: You work, you need tickets if you want to go.
Speaker 1: I think coach will fucking we'll just crash that thing.
Speaker 1: When is it?
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 6: Fifty two people throw some tomatoes like I'm George Bush
Speaker 6: and we're breaking it out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it like no, I'm gonna throw my
Speaker 1: shoe like that guy.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that guy, Yeah, the first one.
Speaker 6: Great reflexes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he had that funny laugh, that smirk on his
Speaker 9: face all the time, right Bush, Yeah, Bush, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Johnny first and I talked to Lamb at h at
Speaker 5: the Long Island Show and he may come on and
Speaker 5: do something for the centennial.
Speaker 6: Lose would be great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys you mentioned the show. Frankie wanted me
Speaker 7: to share that with you guys real quick before you
Speaker 7: get started.
Speaker 5: There you go, Frankie, Fat Daddy, ray Me, Mikey Milna
Speaker 5: los again. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 7: There's Milner, there's the mill.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of dust in that picture. Mike.
Speaker 6: I was before flush toilets.
Speaker 5: It's rough.
Speaker 6: I don't get any respect.
Speaker 8: You got guys at the rock passing out and guys
Speaker 8: hard about doing homework.
Speaker 6: I mean, what's going on.
Speaker 5: I don't know what the generation, bro.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a new generation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, uh huh sure.
Speaker 5: So so where do you want to start? Mike?
Speaker 6: First of all, let's let's talk about stats for May
Speaker 6: days and all that. It's pretty it's pretty sobering.
Speaker 7: Well, if you're also Mike, I'm sorry to meet interrupt,
Speaker 7: but take a look at this hell for your stats,
Speaker 7: because this is what I have. If anything, if you
Speaker 7: want to use this as a little bit of a
Speaker 7: reference as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I appreciate that. I don't know what year
Speaker 6: that is. These are is like twenty three.
Speaker 7: This is a lot of the stats that I have
Speaker 7: or something that I'll mention later on today come courtesy
Speaker 7: of a friend of you, as a friend of mine,
Speaker 7: good friend of mine, Rober Miraz from the may Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah you're right.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, from Florida. Yeah, I just I work with
Speaker 7: him on the task force. He works right right next
Speaker 7: door to me. So right, we got some good stats
Speaker 7: that I was trying to scrounge for today. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: minds aren't that's far up.
Speaker 8: But I'm always concerned that residential always leads the way
Speaker 8: when it comes to a line of duty tests and
Speaker 8: read operations. Unlike multiple occupacy and commercials, where most fight
Speaker 8: departments can actually go into the building look for violations
Speaker 8: or do walkthroughs. Private dwellings people don't get permits, especially
Speaker 8: now with the amount of permits in their court. They
Speaker 8: just divide rooms and on sub basements whatever they want
Speaker 8: to do. And from New York City, like Kevin and
Speaker 8: Louis would know. You know, there's a lot of multi
Speaker 8: generational families in these homes, so you're jam packed with
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff, a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 8: of clutter, and a lot of dead end rooms. And
Speaker 8: there's there's all game plan.
Speaker 6: You go in with the line.
Speaker 8: You event you go to the second floor, but it's
Speaker 8: already easy to get caught up in a situation where
Speaker 8: you can't get out.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Mike thinking about that right now.
Speaker 9: I mean if you would have asked me before you
Speaker 9: just said that and you told me where, would I
Speaker 9: think more guys get jammed up?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 9: It would have been the opposite of that. It would
Speaker 9: have been like in a commercial or something that we
Speaker 9: don't you know, because we do know.
Speaker 1: I mean in New York. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: in other cities, but in New York, we know the
Speaker 1: building somewhat right. We know all those.
Speaker 9: Tenements, we know you know, real frames, we know groundstones.
Speaker 9: That doesn't mean that like exactly what you said that
Speaker 9: there's a you know alterations. I mean the guys up
Speaker 9: in the Bronx. That happened to those guys. So yes,
Speaker 9: but if you would to ask, I mean, it makes
Speaker 9: sense now. But and plus we go to more of those,
Speaker 9: so it makes sense in that regard too. But I
Speaker 9: would think that it would be those yeah, big open
Speaker 9: spaces that you can get jammed up.
Speaker 6: And I thought the same thing, Louis.
Speaker 8: For a lot of you, I always knew that it
Speaker 8: was dangerous to being residential, but I also kind of
Speaker 8: agree with you that I thought it would be a
Speaker 8: commercial instead of a residential.
Speaker 6: But that's the way it's going.
Speaker 8: And now the other thing with may Day rescues, thirty
Speaker 8: percent of self rescues on their own, they find their
Speaker 8: way out, and then there's uh interior crews. The RITT
Speaker 8: team's getting stuck and it drops down as you go
Speaker 8: percentagewse there you go, Yeah, this is just what we
Speaker 8: will this a lot. So that's another issue that comes
Speaker 8: into place self rescue. Once the incident commander hears a
Speaker 8: may day, the RITT team goes into operations and uh,
Speaker 8: they go to work. They may when the two teams
Speaker 8: come from the front the rear of a building, first
Speaker 8: the second floor, taking stairways, taking ladders, even a towel
Speaker 8: ladder or aerial, and they're not going to really know
Speaker 8: what's going on, and they may be going into some
Speaker 8: very serious situations, and unbeknownst to them.
Speaker 6: The self Rescue is already outside getting R and R.
Speaker 8: And that's happened to me and Rescue four, and I'm
Speaker 8: sure it's happened to a lot of guys on the job,
Speaker 8: even the volunteers where they they're going in beating themselves
Speaker 8: up and then they find the guys already out.
Speaker 6: So that's a concern of me.
Speaker 5: How how can we make that cancel the may day?
Speaker 5: The one you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: What it is.
Speaker 7: Well, let me ask you this, Mike, because I'm not
Speaker 7: one hundred percent how if fe and why does it?
Speaker 7: But uh, this is something that's gained a lot of
Speaker 7: traction down here as far as changing the channel's crews
Speaker 7: that are operating. Basically, anybody interior stays on the channel,
Speaker 7: everybody else gets the hell off the channel. So I
Speaker 7: would imagine that maybe the channel changes where some of
Speaker 7: that stuff may be coming in, and then, as you
Speaker 7: said before, no one's canceling the may day and or
Speaker 7: communicating that information. They just yeah, I can do that
Speaker 7: part of it.
Speaker 6: Guns.
Speaker 8: I think he got a point, especially in volunteers in
Speaker 8: small deparmers, that he'd like to use multiple channels. I'm
Speaker 8: not a big fan of that because that's when I
Speaker 8: think you miss things. Okay, But on that point, I
Speaker 8: would think or suggest that the RIP team coming in,
Speaker 8: they assigned one of their guys just to monitor the
Speaker 8: radio for a may day. That's it, That's all he does,
Speaker 8: and hopefully that can eliminate some of the problems.
Speaker 7: Who knows how that guy is paying attention or girl
Speaker 7: paying attention to the radio traffic, all those the clues
Speaker 7: that a potential may day could be on the horizon,
Speaker 7: right right right.
Speaker 8: And don't forget a lot of may days aren't even given.
Speaker 8: You know, the five company comes out with the line
Speaker 8: happened to me, Engineer Upson comes out, he's missing the
Speaker 8: guy now, right, away.
Speaker 6: Where does he think the guy is in the building.
Speaker 8: So the RIT team, or in my case, was the
Speaker 8: Kevin Daldell rest his soul myself and I think it
Speaker 8: was just the two of us because we split up
Speaker 8: and we filed the line in and we took a
Speaker 8: pretty bad beating to come out to say he's not there,
Speaker 8: and he finds out he's having a cup of coffee.
Speaker 8: So you know, there's a lot of variables out there,
Speaker 8: and hopefully tonight guys will realize you got to take
Speaker 8: the writ team very seriously.
Speaker 6: They're not there to be sheep herders.
Speaker 8: They go to work, or they should be put to
Speaker 8: work in some capacity instead of just wilting on the line.
Speaker 6: And told I agree with that. Yeah, and that's a
Speaker 6: big problem you can have.
Speaker 9: You cannot have a fucking truck standing there for you know,
Speaker 9: to a third alarm standing there. You know you cannot,
Speaker 9: I mean what you know, let the guy stand there
Speaker 9: until initially what's happening.
Speaker 1: I agree, and then you know what you can do,
Speaker 1: have another truck come in and then those guys to work.
Speaker 5: And I don't, I don't I do hear that now
Speaker 5: though I do hear that because when I'm listening to
Speaker 5: try to get these little pieces for the other segments
Speaker 5: I do. I do hear the chief's calling for another
Speaker 5: for another fast truck, and they say, we're going to
Speaker 5: put the original fast truck to work.
Speaker 9: So well, the thing is, you can't early on that
Speaker 9: was the problem because I don't think in FDN Y Mike,
Speaker 9: you probably know this too better than maybe me, that
Speaker 9: they were putting a fast truck to work and saying
Speaker 9: send another fast truck before they had that they were on.
Speaker 6: The scene right that they defeated the whole purpose, right,
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 1: We didn't they were. They used a fast truck because
Speaker 1: shi it was going bad.
Speaker 9: So so now you don't even have a team backing
Speaker 9: them up obviously, I mean the rescuing the squad and
Speaker 9: whoever is coming in, you know. But the whole, the
Speaker 9: whole idea was that they were trying to I don't
Speaker 9: think they do that anymore that now you have to have.
Speaker 9: Sometimes they put an engine to stand the truck and
Speaker 9: tell the other truck if he needs somebody right away,
Speaker 9: they they'll put the engine there until the truck another
Speaker 9: truck comes in as the fast truck.
Speaker 8: If they have a truck question Louis and Kevin at
Speaker 8: the Rock that they teach any of this as far
Speaker 8: as the probi.
Speaker 6: School, Well not.
Speaker 5: I think they teach the fast team now.
Speaker 8: Okay, so they all come out of the training center
Speaker 8: at least with the basic knowledge of what they may happen.
Speaker 5: I mean I assume they do. I mean they didn't
Speaker 5: do when I was down there. They didn't do firefighter
Speaker 5: removal then, but I assume they do it now.
Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, I mean you would hope they're doing that.
Speaker 7: You know, what do you got?
Speaker 6: Do you have anything on the nature of fatal injuries
Speaker 6: and five ground deaths?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: I'm sure you got it somewhere. I have it here.
Speaker 6: If if you don't, all.
Speaker 7: Right, let me see, because what I have I have
Speaker 7: actually I have this chart here.
Speaker 1: It may not be.
Speaker 7: No. What I have this chart here is time of day.
Speaker 7: So when you're ready for this, we can talk about this.
Speaker 6: That's fine.
Speaker 7: This is time of day related to a truck company specifics.
Speaker 7: As far as a little bit more broke down with detail,
Speaker 7: Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm wrong.
Speaker 8: Let me know, guys, but most of us worked twenty
Speaker 8: four so we worked a lot of nights and I
Speaker 8: always liked the well I didn't do twenty fours, but
Speaker 8: a lot of guys like the twenty.
Speaker 1: Four for a lot think happened after midnight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you look see right there, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: But the thing is at night.
Speaker 8: I think, honestly, you'll lose your redge a little bit
Speaker 8: during the dark hours.
Speaker 7: No doubt you're a disadvantage, right.
Speaker 6: You're ready disadvantage.
Speaker 8: You're if you started working nine o'clock and now you
Speaker 8: have a job at eight o'clock in the morning, it's
Speaker 8: twenty three hours into the shift, and now you're going
Speaker 8: out again. You're exhausted, and you're I think your physical
Speaker 8: and mental capabilities are low. It's slight, it's I'm not
Speaker 8: knocking anybody, uh, but we've all been exhausted.
Speaker 6: I gotta be honest. Uh.
Speaker 8: I can't tell how many times I woke up after
Speaker 8: a thirty minute run through the rock waste before I
Speaker 8: was really.
Speaker 6: Ready to go.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: So I think that comes into play the time of
Speaker 8: day and night. I also think the weather comes into play.
Speaker 6: Just think about it.
Speaker 8: You're standing fast as the fast struck and it's snowing
Speaker 8: and raining out. That ain't a pleasant sight. You don't
Speaker 8: not getting wet. You're working, but you don't want to
Speaker 8: be standing fast and too long without being put in
Speaker 8: the work. So all these factors do take away from
Speaker 8: the alertness and the capabilities of what's going on for
Speaker 8: that particular fire fight and missing or down.
Speaker 5: So Mike, we talked about it in the pre show
Speaker 5: a little bit. I mean, this is fairly new, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say new to the FDNY being what Louis said,
Speaker 5: like we first get on ninety three.
Speaker 9: I think it was somebody in the channel, No, but
Speaker 9: I think it was like the mid nineties, like it
Speaker 9: was probably ninety five maybe some time now when they
Speaker 9: started to fat when I remember we started going at
Speaker 9: the fast truck to some of these things.
Speaker 1: But none of the guys took it. I mean I
Speaker 1: remember none of the guys took it serious. It was
Speaker 1: just a chance to go to the job, right.
Speaker 9: Not the guy in the chat Steve, we talked about
Speaker 9: this last last week or the week after that wasn't
Speaker 9: one hundred percent sure. But so you get an extra
Speaker 9: engine and truck now automatically. Yeah, So like like we
Speaker 9: were saying, so you're going to have an extra two
Speaker 9: work the company's coming in automatic. You know, so filling
Speaker 9: those gaps in case you needed somebody like right away
Speaker 9: without calling a second alarm.
Speaker 8: Now, honestly, depending on the size of the building, I
Speaker 8: wouldn't think it would be bad for the incident commander
Speaker 8: to have two fair strucks ripped rip teams ready to go,
Speaker 8: because you may have to go and enter that building
Speaker 8: from different opposite sides of the building. Okay, especially if
Speaker 8: it's a large building, you can't consider assume that we
Speaker 8: go in the front. We're gonna find Mike, Milton h
Speaker 8: And based on the radio chat is a collapsed part.
Speaker 1: We still have the rescue and the squad doing that.
Speaker 6: You may go into a larger building as a too prong.
Speaker 8: Attack with your No, I agree with that because you
Speaker 8: want to cover the area as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: I got that, and.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we gotta go to the.
Speaker 9: P Hey, guns put that. Mike just told that though,
Speaker 9: because I was guns put that chut back up. Yeah,
Speaker 9: So that was pretty interesting. The units that are involved
Speaker 9: in the May.
Speaker 7: Days, depending on where you are in the country, tubes right,
Speaker 7: remember of a factor there as well.
Speaker 9: So to me, like obviously the first units initially they
Speaker 9: are fifty seven percent and the second units twenty six
Speaker 9: percent units involved in the may day.
Speaker 1: But what was weird to me was the.
Speaker 9: Unit, the actual unit engine ladder rescue. Right in the
Speaker 9: MS the engine is fifty four percent and the LADD
Speaker 9: is forty four percent. Like if you would have asked me,
Speaker 9: I would have said, the ladd is eighty percent and
Speaker 9: the engine is twenty percent.
Speaker 6: All right, now, can I give you my weird what
Speaker 6: reason why that happens?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 8: Okay, I think there's a disconnect between the engine and
Speaker 8: truck when it comes to multiple ways out of a building.
Speaker 8: They come in through the front door, just for example,
Speaker 8: they go up the stairs to the second floor of
Speaker 8: a private dwelling. When you're the truck company, you're on
Speaker 8: the second floor and the you got multiple ways out
Speaker 8: from what the direction you come into come in through
Speaker 8: a bedroom might be two windows to get out of.
Speaker 6: You come into a dining room, there may be two
Speaker 6: or three. You may have a bay window.
Speaker 8: The truck, the engine is very used to having that
Speaker 8: unbiblical cord meaning the line as their way in and
Speaker 8: their way out.
Speaker 6: Once you disturb that procedure that pattern, things hit the fan.
Speaker 8: And I'm not knocking the engine guys by no means
Speaker 8: it's the toughest job on the job and the most
Speaker 8: rewarding when you put the fire out. But if you
Speaker 8: think of it about its legit just parcel it out
Speaker 8: a little bit. The truck company is always trained to
Speaker 8: look for multiple ways in, multiple ways out, and I
Speaker 8: got to admit that when I had the floor above
Speaker 8: Louis and Kevin Gonzo, you know what, I liked being
Speaker 8: by myself because I wasn't encumbered with another person to
Speaker 8: worry about.
Speaker 6: It was me, So if I had to get out,
Speaker 6: I could get out.
Speaker 8: If you've got an engine company and the captain says
Speaker 8: you got to get out of here, he's worried about
Speaker 8: three or four guys behind him.
Speaker 6: M okay, And it's not.
Speaker 8: Hard to lose the feel of that hose. Or there's
Speaker 8: a partial club. Let's take in the supermarket, one of
Speaker 8: the ale racks goes over.
Speaker 1: The ose, loose pressure something like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so they don't have that mindset of a second
Speaker 8: or third egress out of the building like a truck.
Speaker 9: I was just saying that that's a big that's a
Speaker 9: bigger percentage. And I would have thought I could be
Speaker 9: again if.
Speaker 7: I would have never thought rescues were one percent and
Speaker 7: you just looked at the stats for this and of
Speaker 7: course from twenty fifteen to twenty one, so it's not
Speaker 7: two far.
Speaker 8: You can also add to that, guys, the fact that,
Speaker 8: guess what, the engines always are their first do so
Speaker 8: they're always the first in the building. So they're in
Speaker 8: there a lot longer than the truck company or the
Speaker 8: second engine.
Speaker 6: So they're.
Speaker 8: What s word I want to use, they're feeling more
Speaker 8: of the danger because they're in there longer and their
Speaker 8: first there. So that may end into the the percentage
Speaker 8: wise of LOUI. As far as truck versus.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Ray ray uh brought up a good point.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna mention this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's a good point because you know when
Speaker 9: you went through the window on the floor above, if
Speaker 9: I went in through the window, you you started taking
Speaker 9: your your points right you get on the right wall,
Speaker 9: you know, I here's the couch.
Speaker 1: As this is that you're.
Speaker 9: Taking points when you're in the engine, you're just stretching
Speaker 9: in to that spot. Now, something happens if you lose
Speaker 9: the line like Ray's saying, now, all of a sudden
Speaker 9: you don't have any you have no marking.
Speaker 5: Somebody flipped something on top of them.
Speaker 9: Yeah right, yeah, in that regard, I could say, you know,
Speaker 9: that's a definite I've seen that too, Like you know
Speaker 9: what guys get there could be two feet from the
Speaker 9: line and they just don't know where these they didn't
Speaker 9: take any marks.
Speaker 6: It's almost like a uber drive losing his GPS.
Speaker 7: He screwed.
Speaker 6: So once you lose that physical contact with the line
Speaker 6: as an engine guy, you're in trouble.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's where the guys can't be afraid. This is
Speaker 7: the message we can send too, is the guy shouldn't
Speaker 7: be afraid to call that may day. It's almost like
Speaker 7: the I don't want to bring the mental health element
Speaker 7: to it, but guys are like, call the may day early.
Speaker 7: If you loosen disoriented, that's one of the first things
Speaker 7: you want to go ahead and do. Get the guys
Speaker 7: coming to you, and so maybe you get a chance
Speaker 7: to regroup while you rEFInd the hose line and waver.
Speaker 8: The case may be gonzo on that you're one hundred
Speaker 8: percent right, But the part part of the problem is
Speaker 8: think of it from the police offices. They're not dead
Speaker 8: if they do something similar that they go to the
Speaker 8: rubber room. So it depends on the culture of each
Speaker 8: fire at department.
Speaker 6: The culture is culture, definitely fdmy.
Speaker 8: I don't think there's anybody that's gonna beat the shit
Speaker 8: out of you for calling the may day.
Speaker 6: Okay, I really don't.
Speaker 8: Now, you go to small departments or a Volley house
Speaker 8: where they you know, guys are drink, eating wheaties and
Speaker 8: working out, and they got this pumped up buying like
Speaker 8: they're the king.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 6: They may look at it differently, and you know, the
Speaker 6: last thing you need for a.
Speaker 8: Guy to give him may day and then it's it's
Speaker 8: rescinded because he finds his way out.
Speaker 6: He doesn't need to get his balls busted. He didn't
Speaker 6: do it to put people in danger.
Speaker 8: He at that particular time to when he was a problem,
Speaker 8: he needed to get out and he was scared, and
Speaker 8: that's that's fine.
Speaker 6: I get scared too in the job. He made a
Speaker 6: may day.
Speaker 8: So I think the culture has to be brought into
Speaker 8: it for guys to want to give may days without
Speaker 8: any repercussions.
Speaker 1: I think it's also good.
Speaker 9: I was going to say that the young guys might
Speaker 9: be more afraid to give you know, listen, if you
Speaker 9: if you got twenty years, you know, and you've been
Speaker 9: going to fires, you probably have a pretty good idea,
Speaker 9: like when you're in trouble, like somewhat right, so.
Speaker 7: You got the experience on your bill too, all.
Speaker 9: Right exactly, So you might not you might know, you
Speaker 9: might not give it right away, but you're probably not
Speaker 9: waiting till the last minute either. I would think, you know,
Speaker 9: like even for myself. But if you're a young guy
Speaker 9: and you're just thoughting, you don't really know.
Speaker 5: No, you don't have scared. You may think you're.
Speaker 9: You don't have enough experience, so you might hold it
Speaker 9: because one you're embarrassed because you you know, you're new.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: That type of thing is is where I think guys
Speaker 9: might probably get jammed up more, but maybe not.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Now you've got a good point. I mean, it's all variable.
Speaker 8: I mean the volunteer rit teams are different from a
Speaker 8: career and small paid apartments. They're all differently, all operate differently,
Speaker 8: and their cultures are all different.
Speaker 6: As much as I like to say.
Speaker 8: Boss and the Baltimore as the same culture as New York,
Speaker 8: they had their own you know, they don't you know,
Speaker 8: and you can't faulter for that. But I personally don't
Speaker 8: think it's wrong for anybody to give the may day
Speaker 8: if they think they're in trouble and if they rescind
Speaker 8: it because they found their way.
Speaker 7: Out of so be it and just cancel the mayding.
Speaker 7: But then they again it's a mindset thing for some
Speaker 7: of our younger guys. If you will, we can. I
Speaker 7: don't want a stereotype or group anybody together, but I mean,
Speaker 7: Loup makes a good point as far as experience, could
Speaker 7: you might stretch it or push it a little bit
Speaker 7: further than somebody that's uh, you know, even a couple
Speaker 7: of years on the job kind of thing that might be.
Speaker 8: You know, you know what Gonzo, even as a as
Speaker 8: a twenty five year member, you know what, I had
Speaker 8: a little bravado, uh tough guy image to a degree
Speaker 8: being in a rescue and I'll use the square anybody
Speaker 8: on the job, busy house whatever. You know, you got
Speaker 8: a little bravado, a little company pride, and I got
Speaker 8: admit that I don't even know if I could even
Speaker 8: give him may day.
Speaker 6: I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 7: But culture, so.
Speaker 9: That's funny to say that because I think if I ever,
Speaker 9: you know, whenever I had an issue, Let's say I
Speaker 9: wouldn't give him may day, but I would be like, uh, you.
Speaker 1: Know whoever that's where are you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but like on the rad would be like, Coops,
Speaker 1: where are you? Yeah, I'm gonna says I need a
Speaker 1: hand down.
Speaker 11: Here, you know, like something like something kind of like
Speaker 11: a little bit, you know, like everybody know, I like,
Speaker 11: you know what that means because my hands on with
Speaker 11: Salva one time and he was in the attic and
Speaker 11: he didn't give the may day.
Speaker 5: But he got in the attic, he got in a
Speaker 5: bad place and only and now I never forget that
Speaker 5: because they used to bring his balls by the he's
Speaker 5: like oop scoobs him in the attic. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: I think that means that he's fucking jammed up. So
Speaker 5: he didn't have to give them ay day. But Hopkins
Speaker 5: and I went up the aerial into the attic. We
Speaker 5: got the ship reamed out of us by uh what
Speaker 5: was the chiefs name, Farrell or Faris Ferris Ferris, I
Speaker 5: forget it was. Yes, he reamed us because he told
Speaker 5: us to stand fast. But when Bobby said, Coops scoops
Speaker 5: him in the attic. I think I was like, oh ship,
Speaker 5: I think he's in trouble.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, a lot of guys also don't
Speaker 6: realize an ft on ony, we don't really open up
Speaker 6: the roof on a peak roof, so that window windows. Man,
Speaker 6: you listen.
Speaker 8: I did a lot of times, and I'll tell you
Speaker 8: it's hot. You got the knee wol You could go
Speaker 8: like my arm's length with a knee and there's a
Speaker 8: knee wall on both sides.
Speaker 1: And the window the windows this big.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't believe I'm in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You put your head out the window and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm fucking screwed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys, pull up that chart one more time.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna throw something out there. Pull up the
Speaker 5: meet the engine truck. Yeah, let me see time of
Speaker 5: the day information career Units involved in may days. Now,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna throw us out there, units involved in
Speaker 5: may days? Are we sure that that means that the
Speaker 5: engine is going to get somebody? Or are we are
Speaker 5: we talking about the engine is the one that winds
Speaker 5: up giving them may day?
Speaker 7: These are all the stats that are people calling them
Speaker 7: may days, and what the day.
Speaker 5: Calling the may days calling the or the units.
Speaker 7: Most commonly percentage wise obviously, or who will call the
Speaker 7: may days? Okay, breaks it down.
Speaker 5: Right, all right, that's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 8: Okay, let me just change the subject a little bit.
Speaker 8: We go to a little more on the stats with
Speaker 8: the nature of the injury.
Speaker 6: Uh, the big one.
Speaker 8: I'm sure Gonzo has a stat on it, similar to
Speaker 8: my Uh the debts are higher with a sudden cardiac death,
Speaker 8: an eternal crushing. Uh, there's those are the big, big
Speaker 8: ones that are the most cause of a fatal collapse.
Speaker 1: Collapse.
Speaker 6: Well, this is talking about just the nature of the injuries. Ah,
Speaker 6: I got okay, just the heart attack, trauma, burns, gunshot,
Speaker 6: all that stuff.
Speaker 7: Gun shot, somebody's accidentally who.
Speaker 6: Is now to your point? Lewis on the fixed death
Speaker 6: by fixed property homes lead the apartments and homes are
Speaker 6: thirty eighth for the apartments, thirty one for the homes.
Speaker 6: So once again residential uh situation seeing the cause the
Speaker 6: most problems when it comes to rick teams going to
Speaker 6: work line of duties in May days, which we all
Speaker 6: know why, like Black Friday, the rooms have changed around
Speaker 6: or a very tight residential area change.
Speaker 5: Who knows that maybe the rest ros down there now
Speaker 5: they in there?
Speaker 6: Correct, excuse me, talk to you in Gonzo.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 6: Firefighters lead in the deaths. I'm sorry to tell you that,
Speaker 6: but sixty sixty firefighters company officer in seventeen percent for
Speaker 6: cheap officer. As far as the ranks on far as
Speaker 6: the line of duty debts and whether a ritteam goes
Speaker 6: into operation.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's that's the sense. There's more firemen on the
Speaker 5: you know, there's one officer for five firemen.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, get there a little askew, You're right
Speaker 6: on the numbers. And then what's uh with the ranks?
Speaker 8: Uh, the biggest rank as far as years of service
Speaker 8: when someone dies is five years.
Speaker 6: Of few, which we can all understand the new or
Speaker 6: they're in a slow company, or they don't just don't
Speaker 6: get a lot of work exactly.
Speaker 7: We say, they don't have the experience of exactly to
Speaker 7: build exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: And then the next largest one is uh, sixteen to
Speaker 6: twenty years.
Speaker 9: Wow, well that's probably more heart attack related than print. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 9: I would like to see that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's a good point too. Uh, fires are more
Speaker 5: advanced one of the first engine rolls in at two am.
Speaker 7: Well, especially in today's fires too, you know back in
Speaker 7: the day the materials burn today or you know, you're
Speaker 7: hitting flash over in some serious conditions, very quid.
Speaker 9: At noon, there's a lot more people moving around than
Speaker 9: at two o'clock in the morning, so it gets you know, generally, it's.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 8: You can also look at it from the point of
Speaker 8: view that thirty forty years ago everything was made out
Speaker 8: of wood, plaster, sheet rock.
Speaker 6: Now that's a lot of plastic. The TV's are gassing,
Speaker 6: everything's off gassing. The furniture is cheap.
Speaker 8: It's compressed wood with varnish and whatever the chemicals they
Speaker 8: used to make the wood. And you know what, in
Speaker 8: the old days, you could probably get on your on
Speaker 8: your on your belly and take.
Speaker 6: The mask off and survive and crawl out following the light.
Speaker 8: Nowadays, I don't know if you could do that anymore,
Speaker 8: take then the mask off and crawl out with the
Speaker 8: I don't think you can. I think we're so unfortunately
Speaker 8: dependent on the SCBA because of the chemicals and the
Speaker 8: warf gases and the heat that it generates, that it
Speaker 8: really works against us.
Speaker 6: If you get trapped. You're really screwed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I am not to switch gears little, but I actually
Speaker 7: have an FDNY study that I printed up from nineteen
Speaker 7: ninety eight, or actually my buddy Rob gave me to
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight. Just a quick a couple of
Speaker 7: bullet points that I've mentioned and we could talk about it.
Speaker 7: From one was the average elapse time from A ten
Speaker 7: to seventy five until may day was transmitted. It was
Speaker 7: nineteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, twenty minutes is the mock.
Speaker 7: Man, Yeah, so nineteen minutes for again, this is maybe
Speaker 7: this is for you guys. Obviously, average time to locate
Speaker 7: the mystic member was between five minutes and eighteen seconds,
Speaker 7: and then average a lap time from may day to
Speaker 7: removal was twelve minutes to twelve minutes and forty one seconds.
Speaker 7: So who found a member? First? Of all, lomed units
Speaker 7: seventy six percent of the time, sock units were eleven
Speaker 7: percent of the time, almost twelve, and your fast unit
Speaker 7: was five point eight percent of the time. Again, this
Speaker 7: was in nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and eight period.
Speaker 6: And that's what's going on now with certain segments of
Speaker 6: the fire Service. Because the rip team works so little
Speaker 6: that some of them must say we don't really need
Speaker 6: to use them. I happen to disagree.
Speaker 8: I think when it comes to may days, you want
Speaker 8: a fresh set of eyes and ears and troops and
Speaker 8: not being emotionally attached to that victim that's missing.
Speaker 6: So I think.
Speaker 8: I think chiefs have to think about the fact that psychologically,
Speaker 8: who do you really want to go into to make
Speaker 8: the grib Let's say Louis down on the line somewhere
Speaker 8: in the building you want to send squad to eighty
Speaker 8: eight back in now they have an emotional tie with
Speaker 8: it Louis. I don't know if that's always a good idea,
Speaker 8: because I think when you get so emotional, you're not
Speaker 8: thinking clearly. So I firmly believe that a fresh root
Speaker 8: team has no allegiance to anybody there, because they're probably
Speaker 8: coming from another neighborhood, even though the arm it. When
Speaker 8: they get there, all they know is there's an officer
Speaker 8: missing on that line, and they go in and I
Speaker 8: think maybe they're a little more alert.
Speaker 6: They're removing any emotional or psychological ties and they're going
Speaker 6: in there to grab a guy because he's down.
Speaker 7: Period in a perfect world, that's how it would be.
Speaker 7: But you know, most of you guys, most of the
Speaker 7: traditional guys like you'd have a hard time fighting those
Speaker 7: guys away.
Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, they're going over whether you want.
Speaker 7: It or not, they're going.
Speaker 6: Don't believe me, I I agree, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 6: But I'm just trying to show that in the if
Speaker 6: this is the real world, that's how I would operate,
Speaker 6: if I was the incident commander. Well, we take your
Speaker 6: men out, We're going to send a fresh set of
Speaker 6: troops in there.
Speaker 1: Are they are they? Are they gearing towards getting rid
Speaker 1: of the riot teams? Is that what you were saying
Speaker 1: like you're feeling?
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: I think what's going on, Louis.
Speaker 8: I think just some guys and you know, they had,
Speaker 8: they had the stats to use any way they want,
Speaker 8: and they probably do. Work a lot of departments I
Speaker 8: think are looking to say I'll just use the guys
Speaker 8: at the scene and not think the root team is
Speaker 8: going to be of value, or why put the training
Speaker 8: and and and moneies and equipment into having a RIT
Speaker 8: team in our department when we could put that those
Speaker 8: assets in other ways.
Speaker 6: Other places.
Speaker 8: Like I said, I firmly believe that a RIT team
Speaker 8: is uh spot on. They get to the scene, and
Speaker 8: I'll talk about that. I can talk about it right now.
Speaker 8: I mean if I if I'm the retal officer, I know,
Speaker 8: and this is based on what I read from my
Speaker 8: thug in and John Soccer, So I'm not the expert
Speaker 8: by no means, but uh networking, Yeah yeah, and that's
Speaker 8: how you learn, especially when you're retired and you only
Speaker 8: can read.
Speaker 6: Now, I can't do it, hands on it.
Speaker 8: The point being is I if I was an answer
Speaker 8: commander and Louis walked up as twenty eight, I'll use
Speaker 8: you as an example as a RIT team. Uh, Louis, Uh,
Speaker 8: can you send a guy around to the back and
Speaker 8: give me an idea what's going on?
Speaker 6: Because you know he's only getting what he's getting, So
Speaker 6: a fresh set of eyes come in. And Louis would
Speaker 6: have done it anyway as an officer. He sent a
Speaker 6: guy to rear. It's ladded. Is there is there a
Speaker 6: bulge in the comrciall wall cracks? What are the color?
Speaker 6: Is a dark smoke? I mean these are things that
Speaker 6: the answer commander didn't know needs to know especially if
Speaker 6: the may day comes in and the officer in charge
Speaker 6: of the RIT team needs to know these things so
Speaker 6: he has a game plan as far as tactics. Maybe
Speaker 6: I don't go through the front of the building, maybe
Speaker 6: the back, or I go to the front inside of
Speaker 6: the back because it's cracked. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of valuables.
Speaker 8: But I think the RIT team when it gets there,
Speaker 8: they got to be put to work, maybe not going
Speaker 8: to work directly, but walking around the building missing ladders. Hey,
Speaker 8: they could be a guy laying on the ground jumped
Speaker 8: out of the building. You don't know, all right, And
Speaker 8: the way some of these buildings are configured. I live
Speaker 8: in a row of townhomes and it's the volunteers would
Speaker 8: show up first. Now I'm not knocking him, but do
Speaker 8: they really go around to the back?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Well they may not.
Speaker 6: They may just light in the front of the building
Speaker 6: and go, hey, we did our job and are not
Speaker 6: saying they're wrong.
Speaker 8: So you know it's important to get that one guy
Speaker 8: or set it two guys around the back and give
Speaker 8: the RIT team officer a little more information that he
Speaker 8: can give to the chief in charge to come up
Speaker 8: with a game plan prior to a May day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's part of the training that we're doing
Speaker 7: doing done here. We're revamping, not let's say revamping. We
Speaker 7: are doing what they eventually will implement in South Florida
Speaker 7: where we have dedicated just like you guys you have
Speaker 7: the fast company where we're trying to it's it's in
Speaker 7: the works, it's very close to being done. We'll have
Speaker 7: our own engine company that will be a writ company
Speaker 7: we're actually doing. Or we have I WRIT that's on
Speaker 7: seeing the initial writ team of four people on scene
Speaker 7: and that's just to get somebody in the building sides
Speaker 7: up and see what they need while you potentially could
Speaker 7: have another couple of units deep or we call on
Speaker 7: deck to go ahead and fill their place. But you
Speaker 7: have to be now certified. You know they're going to
Speaker 7: put you through more extensive training to fill the role
Speaker 7: as the writ team going forward.
Speaker 8: That's the only job, chief, that's I think that that's
Speaker 8: you got the heads up on that, because uh, they
Speaker 8: should be specialized. They're doing a unique job that's not
Speaker 8: done often, thank god, and they have to know what
Speaker 8: they're doing. They're going into a much more serious situation
Speaker 8: than they normally.
Speaker 6: Would go as a regular truck arrangine.
Speaker 8: So they're going into a situation where the guy's already down,
Speaker 8: they don't know where he is within reason, and they're
Speaker 8: going to go in through that smoking heat to collapse
Speaker 8: the aisles.
Speaker 5: The ceilings already gone sideways by the time they go,
Speaker 5: so the pot's already on the shithead.
Speaker 6: So they need to be specially trained.
Speaker 8: I you know, you know a lot of guys don't
Speaker 8: want to hear about training, but you know what it is,
Speaker 8: a specialized ask to be the richting it really is.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, they have it's going to be a minimum
Speaker 7: staffing of four initially firefighters, and we're even taking it
Speaker 7: at all policy. We're doing it a step further because
Speaker 7: there's another element to it because it's not the sexiest
Speaker 7: job sometimes, as we've already discussed, and how it can
Speaker 7: people be assigned writ and get a little discouraged. But
Speaker 7: we're also doing a rehab part of it where some
Speaker 7: guys might be there for forty five minutes. Now they're fatigued.
Speaker 7: Now the shit really need them. Are they gonna be
Speaker 7: able to work because they've be standing there and gear
Speaker 7: ready to go, and for us in South Florida baking.
Speaker 7: If you can't find a shady spot to try to
Speaker 7: maintain something and still be ready to go close enough
Speaker 7: to get into the structure if you need to. You
Speaker 7: know you got all these little bit different factors that
Speaker 7: are coming to how you actually deploy rit when.
Speaker 6: It comes time and you got a good air of
Speaker 6: the So.
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 7: Let me see what wrong person?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: Lou another thing that is written. It's met with the
Speaker 7: show for in front and let him know we're taking
Speaker 7: a line off his rig because most of the other
Speaker 7: lines are committed.
Speaker 1: Coobs used to do that.
Speaker 5: I that I used to pull the line off the
Speaker 5: front and have it. If we were first due, I
Speaker 5: would pull a line off the front, charge it and
Speaker 5: leave it there just in case somebody showed up at
Speaker 5: the window. At least I can shoot something over his
Speaker 5: head or anything. I have a charge line sitting there
Speaker 5: waiting to go with two or three. I forget what
Speaker 5: we had on the front. Three three lengths two lengths.
Speaker 5: Once you get the water, you're sitting there anyway, you
Speaker 5: thumb up your asks, so you might as well do
Speaker 5: something well. Lad of the building. You have a ladder
Speaker 5: on the squad rate, throw the ladder up in the
Speaker 5: front of it's not there. Do something.
Speaker 7: It's definitely a good tech to have an aggressive show
Speaker 7: for or for aggressive driver. It's not a have the
Speaker 7: foresight to stop playing the head. Guff a bit the
Speaker 7: shit go sideways.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, you can have a ladder of
Speaker 6: the building. Enough, let's let's so not.
Speaker 8: I think in a lot of ways, if the rich
Speaker 8: sees a lack of ladder in the rear of the building,
Speaker 8: they should go to work.
Speaker 5: Talking about a first two engineer, there was always later
Speaker 5: on your rate, throw it up.
Speaker 9: There was always this balance, Mike, because I used to
Speaker 9: get uh, like like you like you know in the
Speaker 9: rescue sometimes you pull up there the chiefs like, stand
Speaker 9: fast for a second, right, So what is that fifty
Speaker 9: percent of the time, so you're standing out. So getting
Speaker 9: back to what you said is, I would say coops
Speaker 9: could attested this probably every time.
Speaker 1: If I was in that.
Speaker 9: Position, I would always send two guys to the just
Speaker 9: go around the building right. Whether or not I ever
Speaker 9: saw them again, that was one thing. But they were
Speaker 9: going around to check if something was messed up. They
Speaker 9: would come back and say, hey, lou this is what's
Speaker 9: going on? If there wasn't if they never came back,
Speaker 9: then I kind of knew that everything was good at
Speaker 9: this point. But getting back to what you were just
Speaker 9: saying was that it's always this catch twenty two like
Speaker 9: if if the fast team starts doing some stuff. I
Speaker 9: always felt like, if something went bad, right, they have
Speaker 9: all the tools in front, right if they got to
Speaker 9: get if somebody shows up at you know, window bars
Speaker 9: or something, you got to have all hands on deck.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 9: It's kind of like this balance between Yeah, you want
Speaker 9: to definitely check stuff out, but if you're really the
Speaker 9: team that's sitting there waiting, then you really have to
Speaker 9: be if you're going to do it properly, you have
Speaker 9: to be prepared on as if it's actually going to happen,
Speaker 9: because you know, if you keep sneaking away, sneaking away,
Speaker 9: sneaking away, and then you know it's it's going to
Speaker 9: happen at some point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: Another way too, and we all do it. I mean
Speaker 8: when you're responding and I hate to say it this way. Uh,
Speaker 8: you know, not every outfit in any oh I got you,
Speaker 8: I got you.
Speaker 6: And not all the thing.
Speaker 8: Okay, right about so you know, when you're responding, even
Speaker 8: as a RIT team, you're probably saying, oh my god,
Speaker 8: I can't believe they're stuck.
Speaker 6: But I figured they would get stuck. If there was
Speaker 6: any one engine company was going to get stuck, it
Speaker 6: was X y Z. Okay.
Speaker 8: So that's part of your tactics as you're responding as
Speaker 8: a RIT team. You want to know who's coming in,
Speaker 8: who's there, and you know what, you can judge certain
Speaker 8: things just by knowing who's responding. I remember when we
Speaker 8: had the Tom Williams, we knew who were responding, and
Speaker 8: you know, you play, you adjust your tactics correct exactly.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of moving parts when you're the
Speaker 8: RIP team. And I you know, once again I find
Speaker 8: it a RITT team serves a lot of value purposes
Speaker 8: and uh, to Gonzo's point, they should be all certified.
Speaker 6: And I think, you know what, if the culture changes
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know what, a captain maybe in
Speaker 6: a slower truck company or engine company, you know what,
Speaker 6: you can wind up his troops a little bit by
Speaker 6: making them, hey, chief cool x y Z engine. They are,
Speaker 6: they have.
Speaker 8: Great train, they're well trained, they're well reversed on tactics.
Speaker 8: If someone gets stuck, you call those guys and you
Speaker 8: make it something instead of just being always standing there
Speaker 8: like cheaper, make it something that they call you because you're.
Speaker 6: Good at it.
Speaker 7: That's getting the repsent, getting the training, concentrating more focused
Speaker 7: on what true RIT responsibilities are going to be. And
Speaker 7: we Lou touched on on earlier, but you know, there's
Speaker 7: a key element that people misses, the three sixty on
Speaker 7: doing the size up together, the information I got forbid
Speaker 7: something happens, you have preloaded information and for me, for
Speaker 7: my an instant of commander, if I can't do it
Speaker 7: three sixty to kind of get a game plan myself,
Speaker 7: which is something we always try to do, is to
Speaker 7: get that three sixty to you know, have obviously an
Speaker 7: understanding of the building. If I can't if it's a
Speaker 7: big building, what about multiple RIT teams you know you're
Speaker 7: thinking about we're just saying that's what you know, he's saying,
Speaker 7: multiple rict team on the size of the building. But
Speaker 7: the three sixty how important that can be to determine
Speaker 7: what your your level of uh, you know, resources that
Speaker 7: you're going to need to the scene kind of thing.
Speaker 8: But going back to the Louis about the laddering. Let's
Speaker 8: also keep in mind not everybody ladders properly. Personally, when
Speaker 8: I ladd I like to.
Speaker 6: Trim the window. Put the ladder to the sill, make
Speaker 6: it two or three inches above, so if someone goes
Speaker 6: in or it needs to come out, they can grab something. Now,
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of videos they put the ladder
Speaker 6: on the side.
Speaker 1: Uh too low, too high? Right, Yeah, So to.
Speaker 8: The movie's point, maybe by sending a rip team around
Speaker 8: to readjust where the ladders are, can't hurt well.
Speaker 9: Take window bars whatever it is. You know, I don't mind,
Speaker 9: you know, all those little things. That's how I used
Speaker 9: to get into jobs, Mike a lot of times with
Speaker 9: the guys as you know, not as.
Speaker 1: A fast team, but as the squad.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 9: If I how was that and there wasn't much to do,
Speaker 9: that's fine, right, I don't care. I want to go home, right,
Speaker 9: I'll go to But if there's ship going on and
Speaker 9: there's twenty guys standing that in the street and there's
Speaker 9: six windows down the alley and the fires on the
Speaker 9: first floor, and nobody's taking the window bars, or there's
Speaker 9: one guy in o V from the truck probably taking
Speaker 9: the windows. Then I'm going to say, listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 9: send a couple of chief I'm gonna send a few guys.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take that ship off of you do the Jedi.
Speaker 5: The Jedi mind trick the chief. I think I see
Speaker 5: some window bars down there, maybe.
Speaker 1: Next thing, a home, next thing. I'm like, take care
Speaker 1: of those bars. I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Trick bro. Yeah, you see those bars on the windows.
Speaker 5: Good idea.
Speaker 6: You know what though, I think a lot of chiefs
Speaker 6: knew that squads and rescues with what they were pulling
Speaker 6: their their leg they knew it, you know.
Speaker 9: I mean, listen, we would taking care of business, but
Speaker 9: we wanted to get in the building right absolutely. Hey,
Speaker 9: just just a quick thing, Mike, hold on, Yeah, when
Speaker 9: your when your rip team shows up, what what are they?
Speaker 1: What are they bringing? What are they doing?
Speaker 5: Dude? You stole my question.
Speaker 1: Well I do that all the time.
Speaker 7: To what I touched on earlier about the I rate,
Speaker 7: We're only taken the essential stuff to get in there
Speaker 7: and size up to see what equipment you're actually gonna need,
Speaker 7: hopefully or if they make it to the to the
Speaker 7: down personnel, and then we'll go ahead and call the.
Speaker 1: So when they show up at the command post, what
Speaker 1: do they have?
Speaker 7: You may see obviously this is a full blown I
Speaker 7: just had a couple of things that this is. I
Speaker 7: don't I don't remember what department I got this for
Speaker 7: for us. You probably we're gonna have a tick. Probably
Speaker 7: we're gonna have the rippack, which obviously you guys all
Speaker 7: know what for. Oh I can't receive that.
Speaker 6: Let me try this one.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 7: We got this is scott ripack that we have. The
Speaker 7: guys are gonna show up with this. If we have
Speaker 7: a pack tracker that's on the battalion truck. The guys
Speaker 7: will have that obviously, thrumal imitging cameras, some hand tools,
Speaker 7: and then they'll they'll be pretty much ready to go.
Speaker 7: And then obviously once they're gonna be deployed, the next
Speaker 7: crew in, we'll be bringing the basket of entourage of shit,
Speaker 7: uh kind of getting ready depending on once we size
Speaker 7: up and see what the resources we're actually gonna need
Speaker 7: to if we need to go this deep to get
Speaker 7: somebody out, Hey, gonzo, what do you go?
Speaker 6: Are you including in that? Get any hydraulic tools like
Speaker 6: a rabbit tool or something like that.
Speaker 7: We have rabbit tools on there. Again, it's uh, hopefully
Speaker 7: we have an aggressive officer that would do that and
Speaker 7: think that far ahead.
Speaker 1: But I see that this is.
Speaker 7: So, yes, it is on here. Okay, But this is
Speaker 7: just something some of the very similar setups that I've
Speaker 7: seen when I was doing some research for that. I
Speaker 7: would imagine this is a very common theme throughout the
Speaker 7: United States to what people kind of bringing. But now
Speaker 7: treating this as a secondary type of deployment, if you will,
Speaker 7: in addition.
Speaker 1: To you and by you too, it does the same.
Speaker 9: It just bounces from whatever company, whatever truck is available
Speaker 9: for that.
Speaker 7: Normally it's our third engine company that runs in is
Speaker 7: our is our routine. But now with this new policy
Speaker 7: that's coming down the line here, it's it's gonna request
Speaker 7: four members. So what that's gonna do for me is
Speaker 7: I'm not rolling heavy, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 7: we got three on an engine and then uh the
Speaker 7: two on the Yeah, that's my thing. Now, I guts
Speaker 7: you're rolling heavy. I got two guys on a rescue
Speaker 7: truck so or an ambulance down here, So that that's fine. Guy,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna sign to units to be my Rick company
Speaker 7: the way I would look at it.
Speaker 6: Right and heavy. If you got four guys, that means
Speaker 6: if you have to, you can split it to two
Speaker 6: teams safely.
Speaker 7: But what they're looking for, like I said, going forward,
Speaker 7: they want a minimum of four people for the RITEAE. Again,
Speaker 7: as we're moving forward, that's going to be the norm
Speaker 7: for us down here, and it'll be taking it step further.
Speaker 7: As I mentioned, you're going to have a dedicated company,
Speaker 7: just like you guys have the Fast company. You know,
Speaker 7: we're going to have a dedicated Rick company down here
Speaker 7: and that's all they do. That's all they're going to do.
Speaker 7: That's what say. It's gonna be additional training. There's going
Speaker 7: to be an initial rollout. There'll be a forty hour
Speaker 7: program that.
Speaker 5: They money that comes with that. They're only everybody has their.
Speaker 7: Own union down here that maybe that will come down
Speaker 7: the line, but you know, they want to get ahead
Speaker 7: and kind of create.
Speaker 8: Now let me, chief, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 8: Besides the big tools, the hand tools like that, the
Speaker 8: halligan and axe and wall hooks and all that, do
Speaker 8: they carry wire sniffs?
Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, all of our guys. And that's actually part
Speaker 7: of the training that we do is where's your whe's
Speaker 7: your wire steps, what's in your pockets? You know, all those.
Speaker 7: As you're there as the company officer that's running that
Speaker 7: RIT team, one may want to go ahead and do
Speaker 7: a check you know, we got a nice little checklist
Speaker 7: of training. These are all little bullet points that we
Speaker 7: have that we're going to remind the crews of as
Speaker 7: we go ahead and roll this out, which is most
Speaker 7: of the stuff they should already have. We have some
Speaker 7: of our guys are very good to get much better,
Speaker 7: being aggressive and really.
Speaker 6: Now, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 8: I know Suffie County has a WRIT program, I guess
Speaker 8: is sponsored by the state. Does Florida have the same
Speaker 8: type of program for the entire state?
Speaker 7: Right now? This is what this basically is going to
Speaker 7: probably start, other than what each department does on their
Speaker 7: own based on you know, collaborative we all kind of
Speaker 7: bounce these ideas off of each other and trying to streamline.
Speaker 7: So this is one thing in particular that's a big
Speaker 7: thing that we try to streamline along with the EV
Speaker 7: policy that we went out recently, so we were trying
Speaker 7: to be on the same page and do the same
Speaker 7: things for these specialties. If you will.
Speaker 5: So all that equipment is great, but if you don't
Speaker 5: practice with it, bro, and you don't practice five fight,
Speaker 5: ain't I mean shit, you're gonna have all the equipment
Speaker 5: in that basket you want. But ask Louis what was
Speaker 5: the toughest course we haven't took on the squad fire
Speaker 5: fighter removal. If you don't practice that, absolutely you might
Speaker 5: as well take all that shit and throw in the garbage.
Speaker 7: We're like I said, there's a nice push, especially for
Speaker 7: my agency. You know, we were only twenty five years
Speaker 7: as a career department, but the culture is changing. We
Speaker 7: have a lot of great guys now and they are
Speaker 7: so aggressive with training. So it's nice to see and
Speaker 7: they're doing that. We got a nice routine for the
Speaker 7: first time. They go out and they compete and it's just,
Speaker 7: you know, it's infecting everybody else. So they're getting out
Speaker 7: there for us and really getting the reps in so
Speaker 7: chief do they in Florida? Do you have a burn
Speaker 7: building in the trade? We in my training center we
Speaker 7: have both. We have a we have one of the
Speaker 7: only we have a couple of them. We were actually
Speaker 7: rebuilding it right now. It's a three story class A
Speaker 7: prop that we that were burning no gas strictly.
Speaker 6: I'm sure you're.
Speaker 8: Aready way ahead of me on this what I'm about
Speaker 8: to say. But I always believe in make the drill
Speaker 8: as real as possible. So in my opinion, you got
Speaker 8: to burn building. You put a dummy in there, you
Speaker 8: mask out, you mask them out, black out their mask,
Speaker 8: and you put them the work and see how they
Speaker 8: operate under as close to real condition as possible.
Speaker 6: Because doing it dry, doing.
Speaker 8: It with some smoke, heating and someone screaming and yelling,
Speaker 8: totally different way of approaching what you're training on real time,
Speaker 8: real stuff. I think all of us concentrate more on
Speaker 8: getting the job done the right way than just playing
Speaker 8: the game for the chief.
Speaker 7: So we actually in my new recruit program, which we've
Speaker 7: been doing for almost five years now, we actually do that.
Speaker 7: I mean we do Hollywood smoke for the most part.
Speaker 7: Means when you do an FPA burns down here, you
Speaker 7: know you gotta everything is gonna get to check your dots,
Speaker 7: cross your teeth, the whole thing. But so he was
Speaker 7: Hollywood smoke. But we have the blackout masks, right, and
Speaker 7: we put them through the and we really make them
Speaker 7: drag them up, down through to put them in some
Speaker 7: tough situations to really work. You know, obviously with patient packaging,
Speaker 7: getting that firefire out, taking all those steps, transfer them
Speaker 7: to the rip pack if they need filling, doing a
Speaker 7: hot fill whatever, or transfer swamp.
Speaker 8: Now another here's another thing I think should be with
Speaker 8: RIT teams. I personally believe everyone should be at least
Speaker 8: an empty or a first responder number two. Having a
Speaker 8: paramedic may even be better on that RIT team in case.
Speaker 7: We're all paramedic don here. Just so not everybody, mostly
Speaker 7: people in South Flower or Paramo.
Speaker 8: Always I say that, you know what, a lot of
Speaker 8: the times it's just an intense situation to get a
Speaker 8: guy out.
Speaker 6: It may take minutes, could take hours. So having a
Speaker 6: paramedic do an ivy, keep vitals blah blah blah, or
Speaker 6: put on some burned medication or advantages. Uh, to me,
Speaker 6: that's a no brain But that's just my thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, obviously, whether the patient gets out, where the victim
Speaker 7: gets out, or whatever it is, is when it will happen.
Speaker 7: But we're training the guys you didn't get them, and
Speaker 7: get them the hell out as quick as we kind
Speaker 7: of safely as we can kind of thing, and then
Speaker 7: treat them once we get them outside the building, right,
Speaker 7: I think, no, no, I.
Speaker 1: Was saying that.
Speaker 9: I think if I had to pick, what we practiced
Speaker 9: the most, you know, when I was working was either
Speaker 9: searching or firefighter removal or a combination of both. There
Speaker 9: was always you know, you can never have enough of that,
Speaker 9: no matter how much time you have on the job,
Speaker 9: you know, because you're not always going to fight as
Speaker 9: you know, you could go months sometimes, you know, just
Speaker 9: you might be just bouncing through the jobs, you know
Speaker 9: what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I think there was a what do they say
Speaker 7: that you trained ninety percent of the time, you may
Speaker 7: have a chance of doing ten percent of your career.
Speaker 7: Forget what that math is is. I think that may
Speaker 7: be tied into search as well, if I get what
Speaker 7: those stats, so somebody else can remind.
Speaker 1: Me I used to do the same thing.
Speaker 9: We used to go through the you know again, when
Speaker 9: I think about going through that home made day scenario
Speaker 9: right where you worked, where you did you know all
Speaker 9: that shit, I get it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I mean, But.
Speaker 9: We listened, you know, Kevin can attested us. We listened
Speaker 9: to these things all the time, like all of the
Speaker 9: after action reports, and we listened to all of them,
Speaker 9: and there was none of that. You had to move fast,
Speaker 9: like like Mike was saying, like most of the time
Speaker 9: it was it was nobody was getting going to get there,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean, Like if you didn't move
Speaker 9: a super super fast and I just got Mike no,
Speaker 9: I was just going to interject.
Speaker 8: Captain Smith of one thirty six sort of a perfect
Speaker 8: example because it was a sixth story walk up.
Speaker 6: I believe I had the roof.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 6: I think Glenn Harris got in the door closed.
Speaker 8: It was a Collier's mansion, so he got in and
Speaker 8: he couldn't get out, and you know what, it didn't
Speaker 8: take long. He was already dead, basically. And I watched
Speaker 8: the day on the trun dole to the ambulance, and.
Speaker 1: I was that was in thee I remember that.
Speaker 6: I'm over the top of the parapet watching them bring
Speaker 6: Wayne to the ambulance. But he was and they were
Speaker 6: working on it. But like to your point, though, it
Speaker 6: doesn't take a long time for the shit hit the fan.
Speaker 8: Where Glenn was, I mean, listen, was anybody that's going
Speaker 8: to get him out with Glenn and a couple of
Speaker 8: guys from one to thirty six with him. But otherwise,
Speaker 8: you know, that's the only chance he stood the getting
Speaker 8: out alive, and it didn't work out.
Speaker 9: I just I've just always felt with those listening to
Speaker 9: those and Kevin could again he could. I complained about
Speaker 9: this a lot, and I always felt like, this is why,
Speaker 9: you know, Mike, you were saying it. You know, it
Speaker 9: might be better to have a different company come.
Speaker 1: Get you, right. And I always used to tell the guys,
Speaker 1: we're family, it's the six of us. This is all
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 9: I watched a lot of videos where guys gave may
Speaker 9: days and everybody, you know, it gets that shock factor
Speaker 9: and they're standing around right, they're not moving quick enough.
Speaker 9: And I used to tell them we used to follow that,
Speaker 9: and we used to study that, and Ice to say,
Speaker 9: it's only if you're down. It's five guys coming fucking
Speaker 9: full bar right right. And what did you always hear?
Speaker 9: And this was another pet peeve of mine, What did
Speaker 9: you always fucking hear when somebody gave him may day
Speaker 9: and something was.
Speaker 1: Going bad, everybody out of the building. That was like
Speaker 1: a change.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was so common, and that I used to say,
Speaker 9: that's what I want to hear when I'm when the
Speaker 9: room is lining up all around me, all I see
Speaker 9: is orange and I'm hiding behind the couch, and I
Speaker 9: don't want to hear everybody out of the building. I
Speaker 9: want to hear everybody in the building. I want to
Speaker 9: hear send the cavalry. I want to know that everybody's that's.
Speaker 1: Am I going to be?
Speaker 9: My thying thought is that the chiefs trying to get
Speaker 9: a fucking count on the people in the in the
Speaker 9: in the street, Like give me right there.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know we're going back to it. Look
Speaker 7: at the percentages. That's you know what you're saying. But
Speaker 7: that's the reason why you don't Right now, we've learned.
Speaker 7: It took a long time, but this is what we've learned.
Speaker 1: It used to drive me.
Speaker 9: I mean it was such a common thing over and
Speaker 9: over and over again that I used to tell the guys,
Speaker 9: this is what you're going to expect, Like this is
Speaker 9: going to be your worst time, and you have to
Speaker 9: know that at least five guys are coming. There's going
Speaker 9: to be more, but at least five guys are coming.
Speaker 9: Balls to the wall. I don't care if I'm burning
Speaker 9: my face, my head, I don't care. But that's how
Speaker 9: I felt, is that, you know, guys, would you know
Speaker 9: the chief's first reaction because I didn't think they were
Speaker 9: practicing enough, like early on, like they weren't practicing enough to.
Speaker 1: You know, they had the sheet. You know, where are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What's going on? Like, dude, get
Speaker 1: everybody into goddamn bill and where's the water? Get more water?
Speaker 1: Get you know, whatever it is. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Oh, you know what?
Speaker 6: You bring up a good point low. There is a
Speaker 6: disconnect because I don't know enough chief offices in any
Speaker 6: job have the experience of a may day or a
Speaker 6: collapse or something like that. And I don't wish that
Speaker 6: on anybody.
Speaker 9: But you're doing that now. They're practicing. That's that's much
Speaker 9: more happening now, and I think.
Speaker 8: That's important that they get to understand the fundamentals of
Speaker 8: what a rapid intervention team does so that when they
Speaker 8: do approach the command center, he's got a better ideas,
Speaker 8: feel more comfortable knowing from watching them observing them doing training.
Speaker 6: Now I can count on these guys to go in
Speaker 6: and get firefighter x Y z uh so.
Speaker 8: I think it's important that from the chiefs down that
Speaker 8: they're all involved with these trainings. Uh so that when
Speaker 8: an unknown company comes up as a root team, he
Speaker 8: can put them the work feeling confident enough they can
Speaker 8: do their job.
Speaker 6: Uh huh.
Speaker 7: I want to make sure we got a little bit
Speaker 7: of a who is the guy again?
Speaker 1: Forgot? Forgive me, I can't remember.
Speaker 9: Okay, the boss in the engine up in uh I
Speaker 9: think it was in Harlem that UH got. You know,
Speaker 9: they were running out of air and he got me again.
Speaker 9: He lost the line ended up behind the bar in
Speaker 9: uh in one of those and they had they had
Speaker 9: the video outside and that's what you saw, like you
Speaker 9: saw like it was a may day. Initially was chugging
Speaker 9: out of the building whatever out of the door, and
Speaker 9: for like a split second, couple seconds, you saw people
Speaker 9: like you know, like it took a while for everybody
Speaker 9: to like figure out what was going on, like the
Speaker 9: you know, because listen, somebody gives a may day, something's
Speaker 9: going bad. You know, you got to almost like check
Speaker 9: yourself first, right or something, and then you know, then
Speaker 9: you started seeing some people like heading into.
Speaker 1: You know, into that I forget, I forget who it
Speaker 1: was Davidson. It was Davidson. Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 5: So my pet Peeve roof is when they when they
Speaker 5: do give the may Day is number one fifteen thousand
Speaker 5: pass alongs going off. Dude, check your pass along. We're
Speaker 5: really looking for one. And the other one is stay
Speaker 5: the fuck off the radio. If you don't have something
Speaker 5: to say that's urgent or to do with the may Day,
Speaker 5: stay off the radio. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 9: I give it Jack saying what you're saying, Coops. Early
Speaker 9: on we didn't have the the alert button right to
Speaker 9: give you extra water. So I mean that definitely helped
Speaker 9: that situation.
Speaker 1: I think Patty Lee had said something earlier about the radios.
Speaker 9: You know, we'd cut off the may Day constantly be
Speaker 9: trying to Can you imagine he's trying to tell you
Speaker 9: his dying, fucking last words, and you know they got
Speaker 9: some guys because he's not paying attention, you know what
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 7: It was countless times.
Speaker 6: You can hear it like that, you know, like absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: That definitely helped. That definitely helped that that alarm, no doubt,
Speaker 1: that was a good I.
Speaker 5: Mean, you ever listened to any every fire and listened to.
Speaker 5: Now there's ten pants alarms going on.
Speaker 1: That's going, that'll be going forever. That's never going to stop.
Speaker 6: Now, that's that's that's here to stay unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7: You actually bring up another point for the guys that
Speaker 7: are listening out there. The big orange button on the radio,
Speaker 7: the a button. Remember what that does? Do training on
Speaker 7: it because if you find yourself in a media situation
Speaker 7: and you can actually push.
Speaker 1: That button, practice with your glove or whatever.
Speaker 7: Your glove on the ones on my radio. Now the
Speaker 7: freaking buttons like this is it.
Speaker 9: I remember that butt was so small you couldn't even
Speaker 9: get it with your finger when your finger you couldn't
Speaker 9: get if you took a glove off.
Speaker 7: We just even that might even have it on the
Speaker 7: shoulder mic too. They have a little ball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: I will say this with the may Days, if you're
Speaker 8: with somebody like I was with Tom Williams, I backed
Speaker 8: up his may Day because you don't know, like Kevin
Speaker 8: was saying, there's so much radio chatter that the first
Speaker 8: May Day may not.
Speaker 6: Have been heard.
Speaker 8: So hopefully the second, even a third time you give
Speaker 8: the may date, someone will pick it up and say, hey,
Speaker 8: we got a problem.
Speaker 6: Chief.
Speaker 7: I think there's twenty one percent of the times, that's
Speaker 7: twenty I think it's twenty one percent of the times
Speaker 7: that maydia's are not heard on the first first call.
Speaker 8: Really, so our listeners out there, give the may day once,
Speaker 8: give it many times as you.
Speaker 6: Have to do.
Speaker 5: You feel you got a they said may days, and
Speaker 5: not a may day until it's recognized.
Speaker 7: Right exactly exactly how many of those videos, sorry, those
Speaker 7: audios that we listened to where you've heard the mayday,
Speaker 7: you're listening to it because we're waiting for it. I
Speaker 7: think that's a little help. But you could hear they
Speaker 7: called for it and it skipped dispatcher, somebody picks up
Speaker 7: on it's like, hey, you got a may Day?
Speaker 1: That happened to me when I think we had.
Speaker 9: Pete Maslinsky was on the podcast and I was working
Speaker 9: at two seventy and we were out on an EMS
Speaker 9: run and we just were taking up in a box.
Speaker 1: Came in and we were pretty close.
Speaker 9: I think one fifty five ended up giving them may
Speaker 9: day prior, I think if if I remember right, and uh,
Speaker 9: we were just pulling up like we got we got
Speaker 9: a good jump on it. And we were just pulling
Speaker 9: up and the fire was coming out the front door,
Speaker 9: out the window everything or something like I forget.
Speaker 5: Uh, And.
Speaker 9: As we were pulling up, just as we were pulling up,
Speaker 9: he said, I heard somebody say mayday, may day, something
Speaker 9: like that.
Speaker 1: And I went to peep and we were like, you
Speaker 1: just give it may day and the cheap we were like.
Speaker 9: We pulled right up to the like where the command
Speaker 9: post was like right on the sidewalk, and I got
Speaker 9: out and I'm like, Chief, did you know did you
Speaker 9: hear that?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that may day?
Speaker 9: You know? Like and he's like, no, I didn't hear
Speaker 9: the may date. And then he's like hold on, you know,
Speaker 9: or you know, everybody stand by. You know, we go
Speaker 9: with there, you know, we go with the may day.
Speaker 9: And then the guy said something and then we you know,
Speaker 9: I think we tried to put the staying in the
Speaker 9: window and all this other ship and then the guy
Speaker 9: ended up self. Uh yeah, he was behind the couch
Speaker 9: and all that ship.
Speaker 8: That's why earlier we were talking and I said, they
Speaker 8: should be a dedicated radio guy on the RIT team.
Speaker 6: Do to your point, he just looking listening for a
Speaker 6: may Day. That's it or something that says I'm w
Speaker 6: F my way out.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that the all visions, the divisions now
Speaker 5: have the RAID and they have they had the AID
Speaker 5: and they have another guy in the car listening to
Speaker 5: the radio, so.
Speaker 6: You can always the more the better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they call him backup AID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this.
Speaker 6: I just want to backtrack on training when it comes
Speaker 6: to the volunteers.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: Part of the problem with a RIT team with the
Speaker 6: volunteers and not all of them. So I'm not I'm
Speaker 6: not here to put a black mark on any of
Speaker 6: the volunteers, but from my background, Uh, the problem becomes
Speaker 6: when there's a RIT team, it's just guys get on
Speaker 6: the rig and they go there and they're the WRIT team,
Speaker 6: no training, no clue, never practiced it.
Speaker 5: Uh, they give a shit because.
Speaker 6: The rig may not even know the guys because they're
Speaker 6: from another substation.
Speaker 8: So I hope tonight that all the volunteers listening, I
Speaker 8: hope there's a lot of them that you make it
Speaker 8: clear that you need to have real training and when
Speaker 8: let's say Sai Acid Fight Department calls for a RIT team,
Speaker 8: that SIASID chief can be pretty assured that the RIT
Speaker 8: team coming from another department, is we qualified individual? Otherwise
Speaker 8: it's useless. It doesn't serve a purpose. They don't know
Speaker 8: what ge you to bring, what tools, what are the tactics,
Speaker 8: what are they looking for? And you know what, as
Speaker 8: I said earlier, when you're using a rit team, they're
Speaker 8: going into a lot more serious ship than that started
Speaker 8: that fire.
Speaker 6: They're going into the heat, the fire, the smoke, the debris. Uh,
Speaker 6: and the fact that they're hearing the may day.
Speaker 8: So they got to be physically prepared, train well and
Speaker 8: psychologically ready to.
Speaker 5: Go, right, Mike, when you when you got to the rescues,
Speaker 5: they were they didn't have the fast teams yet, that's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I mean, the rescues were created to
Speaker 5: rescue fire. Yes, So did you feel like you guys
Speaker 5: were called to do that more before the first tuck
Speaker 5: came or.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I'm not going to go into
Speaker 6: such details. But there was one involving a lieutenant from
Speaker 6: a Queen's company out in the Eastern Queens. Okay, we
Speaker 6: were called and the battalion chiefers in the street. He
Speaker 6: couldn't we couldn't get there fast enough.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 8: A lieutenant was somewhere in that split level beautiful home.
Speaker 8: We came around back, got in there. I followed the
Speaker 8: line in with Lieutenant Williams and a few others. Ralph Williams,
Speaker 8: I take Paul Jaeger and I was ordered to hold
Speaker 8: the grab the line because the fire was roaring, and
Speaker 8: they got him out. But because politics get involved, guess
Speaker 8: what you get a unit siddation. I don't want to
Speaker 8: give my local guys, you know a's and b's and
Speaker 8: I'm not knocking it. It didn't bother me, but it
Speaker 8: bothered me in the fact that, hey, let's be honest
Speaker 8: with each other.
Speaker 6: You made a mistake, We bailed you out. Why are
Speaker 6: you taking it out on us?
Speaker 8: So that was my only sour Tommy I've had with
Speaker 8: you know, a may day or something went the way
Speaker 8: it shouldn't right, you know.
Speaker 5: So that's another thing that gets neglected sometimes. Might I
Speaker 5: wanted to bring that up before. When somebody does give
Speaker 5: a may Day, the focus goes to the may day
Speaker 5: and sometimes they leave the linebody's got a I mean,
Speaker 5: somebody's got a man that line you had to put
Speaker 5: the fire.
Speaker 7: On, you know, he took my thunbder Kevin because they
Speaker 7: don't forget to talk about as we're going to rescue somebody,
Speaker 7: somebody still does putting the fire out. Yeah, you have
Speaker 7: to worry about it opening up. Now you can create him.
Speaker 7: All the flow passed. You know how many things your
Speaker 7: actions could.
Speaker 5: A lot of times they forget thee and then they
Speaker 5: don't put the fire out right. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: that happened with the guy down in Foul. Then that
Speaker 5: happened with him in that small house. I mean Howard Beach,
Speaker 5: Howard Beach, I think what's his name from two seventy.
Speaker 1: Eventually he went down Jimmy Arrow.
Speaker 5: He was I think he went down to take the
Speaker 5: line though, because they just everybody focused on.
Speaker 1: He was actually like didn't have a heart beat, that.
Speaker 5: Wasn't available for over time, wasn't.
Speaker 1: Available, and came back alive and was available.
Speaker 6: And that was.
Speaker 1: Loud voice. I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: To movies point earlier. Everybody out of the building. Two
Speaker 8: guys leaving their positions. That creates another the problem. Everybody
Speaker 8: can't run to get Louis Rufano out of a jam. Otherwise,
Speaker 8: no one's got the lawn on the exposure, no one's
Speaker 8: opening the roof.
Speaker 6: Blah, blah blah. So there's got to be someone in
Speaker 6: charge that time out. You stay where you are, and
Speaker 6: you picked as a commander what teams you want to
Speaker 6: go after Louis and that he's got to be ye.
Speaker 7: That is a commander has to be on point and
Speaker 7: be strong and and really, like I said, you still
Speaker 7: have those other tasks that have to be done otherwise
Speaker 7: we're gonna have more of a problem, just gonna escalate
Speaker 7: the entire thing. I just wanted to recap. It was
Speaker 7: thirty six percent of may days are not or missed
Speaker 7: on the first attempt.
Speaker 6: Right, Wow, that's a.
Speaker 1: Lot big number. Yeah. So again again, when when you
Speaker 1: get jammed up, you know you might be you know, know,
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna be yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean I'll tell you one thing. I got ship
Speaker 6: stains in my underway. I'll tell you what. Yeah, without
Speaker 6: a doubt. Oh.
Speaker 8: One of the things that I think that all guys
Speaker 8: should have on them person when they is a self
Speaker 8: rescue robe.
Speaker 6: Whether they use it to walk off.
Speaker 8: The line to search or they got to bail out,
Speaker 8: they got to have their own personal safety robe in
Speaker 8: case they get jammed up, which can happen.
Speaker 7: That's a little bit of all our guys carry some webbing,
Speaker 7: but we have twenty five foot of webbing that our
Speaker 7: guys carry.
Speaker 5: But we uh, we were all want story houses you
Speaker 5: got to worry about.
Speaker 1: We call those sheds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, ship, but that's that was a that's a tough
Speaker 7: topic for my department because I I'm one of a
Speaker 7: few members that have a full escape system. Uh where
Speaker 7: I feel it's not necessarily. My argument was like, you
Speaker 7: want to jump out of a two story window be
Speaker 7: my guests, but you.
Speaker 8: Know, yeah, yeah I did and my lieutenant died, So
Speaker 8: I mean I can answer that I really quick.
Speaker 7: For us, it's not a it's a it's a mindset
Speaker 7: thing or a culture thing. I'm any guys. Guys don't
Speaker 7: want to people. We don't do that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: We don't you know, we're not in the high rise.
Speaker 6: It's high rise, but you know what, you don't know
Speaker 6: where you're going to end up. Okay, you could be
Speaker 6: in it.
Speaker 8: Listen, you're building your neighborhood's building. Hot stories get higher
Speaker 8: the floors. I mean, eventually you're gonna have high rises
Speaker 8: if you don't.
Speaker 6: Have them already.
Speaker 7: We have to not like you guys, but we have some.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what, you want to be prepared
Speaker 6: for that once in a wild thing. Yeah, I want
Speaker 6: to be prepared.
Speaker 8: So having a personal rope for my own safe bailout
Speaker 8: or to branch out over a line to search a
Speaker 8: white commercial area, you're damn straight. I want to have
Speaker 8: a biblical okay, because if you don't, you know, you're.
Speaker 6: Being a fool.
Speaker 7: You don't have We just don't have a safety system.
Speaker 7: I mean, our guys wear the belts, but they don't
Speaker 7: carry the rope other than the personal little rope that
Speaker 7: they have for themselves. Some guys actually do. I don't
Speaker 7: want to take that away from them. Some guys do
Speaker 7: carry their own in addition to the webbing stuff that
Speaker 7: we give them an issue them.
Speaker 6: You know what, I didn't like carrying the roof rope,
Speaker 6: but I carried it. Yeah, all right, I didn't like it.
Speaker 9: I don't like carrying the fucking uh welight.
Speaker 1: Remember, no, you remember that? That's why you became what
Speaker 1: I know? No, because I used to carry before the
Speaker 1: rabbit tool.
Speaker 5: It was that.
Speaker 9: You remember that fucking tool that you used to have
Speaker 9: to carry that bigimity Yeah, yes.
Speaker 5: That was the rabbit tool. The other one the buddy
Speaker 5: to the little one.
Speaker 1: Little and the big thing was like, yeah, likes with
Speaker 1: that fucking thing like that big.
Speaker 6: I mean it was that.
Speaker 5: It was huge.
Speaker 1: It was huge.
Speaker 6: It was a black vinyl case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not a case.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you know what, the chief that mindset, if
Speaker 8: that's correct, what you're telling me how to change.
Speaker 6: Well, we do care.
Speaker 7: Everybody has search rope and that's part of it that
Speaker 7: they go in with it, just that don't on their person.
Speaker 7: Some some people don't like the uh it does make
Speaker 7: things a little bulfy. You know. Well, I don't want
Speaker 7: to I don't want to speak to so I don't
Speaker 7: want to come across the wrong way.
Speaker 6: No, that's okay. If I was the chief down there,
Speaker 6: who are you? I'm the chief. You're not the only
Speaker 6: ones those are.
Speaker 7: The pomper said, you know some people an f B.
Speaker 1: I wasn't carrying the ropes for.
Speaker 12: I always had my own bro I always had a
Speaker 12: webbing and I had three millimeter rope that I could
Speaker 12: wrap around the hook figure eight and and jump out
Speaker 12: the window.
Speaker 8: You know what, let me tell you something. It doesn't
Speaker 8: take a high matter at height to break your neck. Okay,
Speaker 8: you could go out of a one story window and
Speaker 8: write below you with full.
Speaker 1: Off of crownding an inch of water.
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, yes exactly. So I got to
Speaker 6: say something.
Speaker 8: I'm an old guy. I was a little hesitant to
Speaker 8: do the new stuff. But over my years, especially with
Speaker 8: the line of duty may days, I've been through. You
Speaker 8: know what, you can't have enough equipment. I'm sorry, okay,
Speaker 8: and you know what if you die because you don't
Speaker 8: have the right equipment, shame on you.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: I tell your chauffeur in the engine says to you,
Speaker 9: and you say the guy, well, this is my bail
Speaker 9: out rope, and he goes like this, Oh that's good.
Speaker 1: What are you going to bail out on us? I
Speaker 1: was like this all right?
Speaker 7: So your point was as well as gonna mention what
Speaker 7: Patty Lee's mentioned it, that's how you land if you
Speaker 7: want to land on you on that little tick tack
Speaker 7: on your back.
Speaker 1: You mean, that's not you ain't going to be swinging
Speaker 1: the golf club, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: You know what a chief when I and I don't
Speaker 6: mean to be morbid.
Speaker 8: When I had the Tom Williams incident, we both came
Speaker 8: out of the same window I did a little different
Speaker 8: landing than he did.
Speaker 6: He died. I I survive, but I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 6: It's still a personal matter, and I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 6: If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.
Speaker 8: I believe in faton time you could be in the
Speaker 8: right place at the right time, the wrong place at
Speaker 8: the right time.
Speaker 6: Fate plays into it.
Speaker 8: As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have as much
Speaker 8: equipment as possible, even if I don't use it. Like
Speaker 8: I said earlier to Kevin, I didn't like bringing the
Speaker 8: roof rope to the roof, but there was a waste
Speaker 8: of time. I was used to doing coremento ropes and repelling,
Speaker 8: which I learned from ROCO and a few other organizations
Speaker 8: for Superior system.
Speaker 6: But that's what we use, and I brought it. I
Speaker 6: was well versed in it, and if I had to
Speaker 6: use it, I would, okay.
Speaker 8: And so you know, I maybe from the old school
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways, but I was always willing
Speaker 8: to learn and playing it forward. Guys on the job,
Speaker 8: in any job, have to realize, not only do you train,
Speaker 8: you've got to be vocal with your union.
Speaker 6: You know, if you don't have a union, just be
Speaker 6: vocal with the fight. Chiefs say, listen, we need personal
Speaker 6: ropes that we have up to a belt.
Speaker 1: Isn't that what he's doing, Chief de Bonano, that's what
Speaker 1: his foundation, and he's doing a.
Speaker 8: Great job with that, Louis, because there's a lot of
Speaker 8: departments that to your point, not every department just has
Speaker 8: one story buildings. Okay, even if you go into a
Speaker 8: basement when you'd like to have a rope looked up
Speaker 8: to the top of the stairs to the bottom so
Speaker 8: in case something goes wrong, maybe you can get out
Speaker 8: in a hurry, in a real hurry.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you that bothers me cheap that I
Speaker 8: love the young guys, but it's some season guys.
Speaker 7: It's just, uh, we actually we did have them. We
Speaker 7: outfitted the entire department with him or I still have
Speaker 7: them on the shelf. And you know that maybe some
Speaker 7: days something will change where we can we can do that.
Speaker 7: But it's uh, I was met with some resistance. We'll
Speaker 7: just say that.
Speaker 8: And I understand that the the the issue may be unfortunate.
Speaker 8: Someday you're gonna have a line of duty death that
Speaker 8: maybe could have been avoided.
Speaker 1: If I'm knocking on.
Speaker 6: So that's that's when it's gonna change.
Speaker 1: Idiot.
Speaker 5: I liked having a lot of Italians. I let them
Speaker 5: go first. They were expendable.
Speaker 7: Uh, David Taddy.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised Patty Lee didn't say send the juice. But
Speaker 6: we're all used domins.
Speaker 1: I get.
Speaker 5: There's a said Milner down first, get down the stairs first.
Speaker 6: Don't tell you you know it's it's and I don't
Speaker 6: mean to get up the toime.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 8: Fuck with you, guys, I gotta tell you not that
Speaker 8: I felt that way, but I was one hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty pounds five to ten, so I was always the
Speaker 8: dope on the rope or the guy that went between
Speaker 8: buildings to rescue.
Speaker 7: A cat or this or that.
Speaker 6: And then you know, once in a while I did think,
Speaker 6: you know what's going on here?
Speaker 7: The only you're spendabok?
Speaker 6: The only Jew?
Speaker 1: Where's Milner?
Speaker 5: The only Jew? Call up the Jew?
Speaker 6: Call me Murray?
Speaker 5: So I get it, Murray, get up here.
Speaker 6: But the boat back to Fayeton time.
Speaker 8: I was talking to Chief Lea uh recently and he
Speaker 8: has that book with gold Feeder, the thirty five fires
Speaker 8: you don't know, And I told him something he didn't know.
Speaker 6: And that's why I believe in fate and time.
Speaker 8: Uh, Rescue four was already at the toll Plaza going
Speaker 8: to the Bronx for a special call because Rescue three
Speaker 8: was already operating somewhere. So that put us closer to
Speaker 8: the story of fire. So in my mind, guess what,
Speaker 8: maybe those three guys would be alive today if we
Speaker 8: started out from what quarters, it would have been a
Speaker 8: lot longer. So, uh, you know, I, like I said,
Speaker 8: the chief.
Speaker 7: You don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean that's why I, like I said, training, the
Speaker 8: right equipment, the right attitude.
Speaker 7: We have all that guys are doing phenomenal. So I
Speaker 7: will not I won't speak, you know, of the guys.
Speaker 7: It's a little discouraging that. You know, it was something
Speaker 7: that we fought hard for and then then when we
Speaker 7: actually had it to to implement that, there was a
Speaker 7: lot of resistance that people didn't want to want to
Speaker 7: do it. I mean, they're unfortunately. Some people were like, oh,
Speaker 7: this is not fdoy And my concept was just that
Speaker 7: it could be a two story building. I don't want
Speaker 7: to jump out of a two story building. If I
Speaker 7: had something that could control my descent, you know.
Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with FDNY.
Speaker 8: There was a kid upstate was at some kind of
Speaker 8: Jewish nursing home volunteer.
Speaker 6: It was a lieutenant. Great kid. Apparently he died line
Speaker 6: of duty given him may day. I mean, he could
Speaker 6: happen anywhere. It doesn't matter how big or small or
Speaker 6: how tough.
Speaker 7: It does happen everywhere.
Speaker 6: It happened everywhere, and you know that.
Speaker 8: That's why when there's an argument, well, we don't need
Speaker 8: to do it in New York's a way. I'm not
Speaker 8: saying do it New York's.
Speaker 6: A way, okay, but after hundreds of guys dying line
Speaker 6: to do it, guess what, he smartened up.
Speaker 7: Well, that's that's always my other argument. That's my other
Speaker 7: argument too. The history that you guys have, you've you've
Speaker 7: you know, stayed the road if you will, or created
Speaker 7: the road in some areas for for learning it and
Speaker 7: developing these skills. So by for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 7: five plus years of experience, that's that's a lot to
Speaker 7: learn from and chief, you know what, the.
Speaker 6: The real issue becomes out why I believe in written
Speaker 6: and all that training and stuff is guess what.
Speaker 8: There's the side effects of what happens after a line
Speaker 8: of duty happens.
Speaker 6: Okay, there is a survivor's guilt. The family that you
Speaker 6: were close to doesn't want to talk to you anymore
Speaker 6: because you're alive. And how come my husband died he
Speaker 6: was with you. You're alive and he's dead.
Speaker 8: Star of getting invited into weddings taking in one of
Speaker 8: my situations, took me over twenty five years to make
Speaker 8: amends with a widow.
Speaker 6: Okay, so let that sink into some of your members
Speaker 6: and everyone watching. You know what, It's not just a
Speaker 6: may day in.
Speaker 8: A line of duty and you go back in the
Speaker 8: empty plate at the kitchen table. There's a lot of
Speaker 8: moving parts, the family, the politics. How do you get
Speaker 8: the company back together again? Okay, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 8: So when someone tells me, I don't need to be
Speaker 8: like New York, I don't have to be like that.
Speaker 8: I don't need training, I don't need equipment.
Speaker 6: You know what, when it happens to you, boy, it's
Speaker 6: not a happy site. Okay, and it lasts forever.
Speaker 8: I still deal with the issues, Okay, I fluff it
Speaker 8: all and I like to have fun like tonight because
Speaker 8: that's how I deal with it and Kevin deals with
Speaker 8: it differently.
Speaker 6: We all deal with it differently. But man, I don't
Speaker 6: want anybody to have to deal with a line of duty.
Speaker 6: It's not worth it.
Speaker 8: Okay, So train, get the equipment, tell your union be
Speaker 8: a volume, and train your heart out because was when
Speaker 8: it does happen, at least you can say, you know what,
Speaker 8: we gave our role because we had everything we needed
Speaker 8: to get someone out of that situation. It didn't work out,
Speaker 8: but we did our best instead of saying what if.
Speaker 6: We could have? You don't want to do that?
Speaker 1: No, I agree.
Speaker 5: Let's come down and talk to those guys. We'll straighten the.
Speaker 7: Speak to all right, you have my little knuckle sandwich,
Speaker 7: a little sandwich? What what have you?
Speaker 5: Is what I'll give you?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So but anyway, mister Milner, what's that? Is there anything
Speaker 1: else we had to touch on that? That was pretty good?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: You know what? Oh boy it? How should put it?
Speaker 8: And I'm not bragging, but when you have a black
Speaker 8: cloud over your head, you have a choice.
Speaker 6: You either live with it and make it work for you.
Speaker 8: Here we're going to the rock in the next month
Speaker 8: to talk, uh, because someone's got to play it forward.
Speaker 6: Okay. And if if they and tie in with me
Speaker 6: and realize what I can go through and survive, you
Speaker 6: can do it also. And that's half the battle.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's very easy to cave. Kevin knows it's
Speaker 8: easy to cave. But you don't want a cave. You
Speaker 8: got kids, you got a wife, you got family.
Speaker 6: Just you want to a list.
Speaker 8: I want to be the four million dollar a lot
Speaker 8: of blue collar winner with my pension, although I want
Speaker 8: to die for okay, So I do take it seriously.
Speaker 6: And there's always light at the end of the tump.
Speaker 6: Some guys, unfortunately it doesn't work out, but there is
Speaker 6: a lot of light. And I got to be honest
Speaker 6: with you. You guys gave me a lifeline by allowing
Speaker 6: me on the show. Let me be an idiot sometimes
Speaker 6: in my outfits, but I do it for the right reasons.
Speaker 6: I do it because I respect you guys, outfit. I
Speaker 6: love the job to this day.
Speaker 8: And you know what, it's easy just to forget about
Speaker 8: the job, but to have guys on tell their stories,
Speaker 8: tell their what's about training, safety, kitchen table meals, whatever
Speaker 8: it may be, it's a lifeline. And I'm not the
Speaker 8: only one that I get cools all the time because
Speaker 8: they see me on your show and they call me
Speaker 8: up and you're a lifeline, you know.
Speaker 5: And Uh, I think that we're gonna we're gonna be
Speaker 5: doing another I didn't talk to Louis about it yet,
Speaker 5: but I talked to Mike and we talked to Nancy
Speaker 5: Carbone and she wants to do another show down at
Speaker 5: on mental health and stuff like that, down at Friends
Speaker 5: of Firefighters. We'll get that together. Yeah, we'll put that out.
Speaker 5: What do we talk about RUFFI all the time? Like,
Speaker 5: imagine if you're one of the guys that dies and
Speaker 5: your wife comes home and there's your clothes that you
Speaker 5: were gonna put on that day and all the stuff
Speaker 5: that she's got to go through where you sat at
Speaker 5: the table, your car, you left your desk, you left
Speaker 5: your desk and stuff on your desk.
Speaker 1: She's got a pictures of your desk.
Speaker 5: Who goes to the far hid the hidden past?
Speaker 7: You guys, you guys are crazy? What the we hav
Speaker 7: did you?
Speaker 6: Like? I said, guys, it's you guys are a lifeline
Speaker 6: to a lot of guys.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: I just had a guy call me. I'm not going
Speaker 6: to mention his name what's his name?
Speaker 8: Guy that called me out of the blue to thank
Speaker 8: me when I come on and I'm just saying about
Speaker 8: my own personal stories. And it's a lifeline for him
Speaker 8: because he's come close to committing suicide more than once.
Speaker 6: All right, and uh, this is a big deal. I mean, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, the line of duty deaths are not fun. Uh,
Speaker 6: No one wants to do him.
Speaker 8: And uh, when they happen, it's just a lot of
Speaker 8: collateral damage. It affects the company, it affects the families,
Speaker 8: it affects you.
Speaker 6: Uh So it's a it's a rough deal. And like
Speaker 6: I said, cheap.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: The guy's got to realize, no matter what the poem
Speaker 6: that they're in, I don't care how you want to
Speaker 6: make an excuse. The excuses don't wash me anymore. Okay,
Speaker 6: I've been there. It ain't worth it. Respect that's the deal.
Speaker 7: For sure, I agree on undred percent.
Speaker 5: Just he called you a mensch, such a mench?
Speaker 1: Yummy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do we got next week?
Speaker 1: If we have a show Monday?
Speaker 5: Monday?
Speaker 1: I don't even know it was what he got we got?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 1: The guy stick a stick a stick, a stick a sticker.
Speaker 7: Captain Scotchdale Yeah, where's he from scotch Dale?
Speaker 1: Is that Arizona? But he's the guy, uh captain with
Speaker 1: the coffee guy too? Oh no, no, yeah, is.
Speaker 9: Not fire Uh he does the fire fire chronicles all
Speaker 9: the time. Oh yuh Jason, Yeah, it should be any show.
Speaker 9: I remember my name.
Speaker 5: I think I booked all the way up to April. Now,
Speaker 5: so the Mike again down at the Friends of fire Fighters.
Speaker 7: He's the public coffee.
Speaker 5: Maybe tire maybe we'll tire a load on again, Mike.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Well, we went there, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 1: The Richish Schmid retired. That the Richish Schmid retire yet I.
Speaker 6: Uh, I was texting with him. He's retired. He came
Speaker 6: out of the hospital last week. Uh, he's got a
Speaker 6: you know, I think he's gonna make it, but he's
Speaker 6: got a tough road.
Speaker 5: What's what was the matter with him?
Speaker 6: Very serious lung problems.
Speaker 5: Oh I don't even know that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because I think I texted him, or I think
Speaker 9: I texted him or somebody to try and get him
Speaker 9: on the show, and they told me he was dealing
Speaker 9: with a lot of help.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's I think he's gonna take a while to
Speaker 8: recouperate to be honest again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 7: So. Yeah, he's got a lot of got a lot
Speaker 7: of every time I see him, mcsle he's nine to
Speaker 7: eleven every year.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 7: The guys, uh, you know, they look forward to his speech.
Speaker 6: No, he's a good raw rock. I mean, listen, he's
Speaker 6: a big guy to you.
Speaker 5: You ever see oh my god, baseball.
Speaker 9: You ever go down Queen's Boulevard in that rig with him?
Speaker 9: My goodness, gratus hom I'm like nice, like this rich man.
Speaker 9: I want to get there, bro, But this is in
Speaker 9: breezy Oh he's you know, you know what it's like
Speaker 9: in breezy point. Bro, it's like a three hour ride.
Speaker 9: It's four thirty on a Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Dude, what were you doing?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: He is uh heavy metal?
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 1: He was balls to the wall man, never never let off.
Speaker 5: One fifty four guy.
Speaker 9: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, look got Jimmy ammon coming on
Speaker 9: to four.
Speaker 5: Good stuff, Michael, Thank you for coming on right.
Speaker 6: Are you gonna have that daily on with the new
Speaker 6: book or by chance or what books?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think. I don't know we're gonna I
Speaker 9: don't think. He His wife said they can't he's not
Speaker 9: able to do it. Oh okay, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, because that looks like an interesting book.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I think she just wanted us to mention
Speaker 9: the book. So when that is it does? I don't
Speaker 9: think it was out yet?
Speaker 5: Was it out?
Speaker 6: How about the Andrew Sierra?
Speaker 1: Who's that? What do you got?
Speaker 6: He's got a book out too. I believe there's a
Speaker 6: lot of books coming out. I don't know where these
Speaker 6: guys find.
Speaker 1: You got to get the office corner, get him going.
Speaker 5: We're gonna do but we're gonna do a show up
Speaker 5: by Roofie. There's a bunch of guys who do a breakfast,
Speaker 5: the Jonas, all those guys. If you want to hit
Speaker 5: a ride with me, Mike, I'll pick you up and
Speaker 5: go out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah I would go, I would. I would come along. Yeh,
Speaker 6: that's that should be great.
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll snuggle up next to Roofie in his bed
Speaker 5: and we'll sleep.
Speaker 8: And I'll tell you I'll say one more thing before
Speaker 8: I snuggle up with Louis for the night. Is we
Speaker 8: were in the they saved New York. Now I only
Speaker 8: speak for myself. I look at it this wayte and
Speaker 8: why saved me.
Speaker 6: That's how I look at it. Brother, No, I think
Speaker 6: I speak for both of you guys. Thank guy.
Speaker 1: We made it out.
Speaker 5: We got We had a good time at the book signing,
Speaker 5: didn't We had a great tigne good stuff.
Speaker 1: Coobs laughs at me. Every time somebody comes by, like to.
Speaker 5: Ask me to sign the book. I go, I don't
Speaker 5: you know Louis in the two he loves signing the book.
Speaker 1: I just like, kind of like, go to me.
Speaker 5: He walks away like one of these you don't know Louis.
Speaker 5: He's on at a page before me.
Speaker 6: Look here he is too much, too much.
Speaker 5: I like, guys, Mike, great show.
Speaker 6: Thanks, allow me to come on.
Speaker 5: We'll do you again. Come up with another interesting costume.
Speaker 5: But before you got it the I do look like,
Speaker 5: thank you. I'm gonna call I'm gonna call uh what's
Speaker 5: her name? Tomorrow and uh friends of right, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 5: get it. Daco there he is.
Speaker 1: You need to go.
Speaker 5: You got to complete that, alright, guys. Make sure you
Speaker 5: watch The Cup of Joe with Fuego every Tuesday or
Speaker 5: Wednesday something like that. And don't forget the Lancaster County.
Speaker 5: Me and Roofie will be there. Harrisburg sixteenth and seventeen.
Speaker 5: I'll be hobbling around because I'll just be ten days
Speaker 5: out from my niece replacement.
Speaker 1: So books.
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm just signing books and sit down by rough Yeah,
Speaker 5: come on down. Send your old lady.
Speaker 7: Right away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Lancaster, and we will be Colon will be an Indy,
Speaker 5: you Indian the third and fourth that they got April
Speaker 5: right or something like that. There to the twelfth close,
Speaker 5: eight to the twelfth will be there. Come out and
Speaker 5: see us. Gonza is coming to right, Yes.
Speaker 6: I got to Oh nice, Yeah cool, I will go
Speaker 6: And finally what.
Speaker 5: Look at that? He went right into pete mode?
Speaker 7: What yeah? Right, what are you talking about? I don't know.
Speaker 7: I can't go anywhere with my hands like this. Wait,
Speaker 7: this is from raw you know what that means?
Speaker 1: Man? We go like this, hold on like this guy's
Speaker 1: n We like this.
Speaker 7: For anybody that don't know, they freeze or they fall over.
Speaker 10: All right, thank you guys, coming day, Yeah, okay, be safe,
Speaker 10: don't drink and drive all the other stuff.
Speaker 5: On Monday. Until then, stay low and go.
Speaker 1: We'll see it the big one. Everybody have a good night.
Speaker 7: Alright, guys, don't forget the great topic tonight train, train train,
Speaker 7: don't ever be afraid to call him to day and
Speaker 7: we remember down here, we're rolling heavy in South Florida.
Speaker 6: God yeah, go.
Speaker 7: Ahead. What I got.
Speaker 6: All I can tell you is play it safe.
Speaker 5: That's all I can.
Speaker 7: We got, I like, alright, brother, good night one love you,