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<v Speaker 1>Disclaimer.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd like to know before the start of this interview

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<v Speaker 2>that the opinions about to be expressed by the guest

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<v Speaker 2>of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that of the

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<v Speaker 2>guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the views

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<v Speaker 2>of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, Hello, Hello, Johnny Alberniz, Paul Weenberg is back. Who

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<v Speaker 4>we got Franky Suppin's in there, Robbie Procaccini, City News Support,

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<v Speaker 4>John Johnson oll Off fellas in.

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<v Speaker 1>A little fish, A little fish in, Yeah, little fish.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like uh, you know who? He looks like Kid.

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<v Speaker 6>Rock, Thank you? Yeah, yeah, but you know what, it's

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<v Speaker 6>Saint Patty's Day is coming up. I'm Irish. Listen. If

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<v Speaker 6>you can have a black month, you can have an

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<v Speaker 6>Irish monk.

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<v Speaker 5>Irish Irish. What do you Moury, Maury Dempsey.

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<v Speaker 6>And Ireland. So I got an all down packed right man?

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<v Speaker 5>Nice?

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<v Speaker 7>Well that's good.

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<v Speaker 5>And some beer? What do you have over there?

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<v Speaker 7>Some?

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<v Speaker 8>Actually I was out there teaching the GUARDI, which is

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<v Speaker 8>the National Police and the Brigade in Tullomore outside of Dublin.

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<v Speaker 6>This is like about two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 8>And I was lucky enough that the owner, the chief there,

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<v Speaker 8>his brother owned the tavern in Tullomar, so they were

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<v Speaker 8>open twenty four because I was able a bunch of guys.

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<v Speaker 6>So I had my martinis and I did drink the guests.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll admit that I don't like to get I'll take

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<v Speaker 5>the martinis. Yeah, good, leave the gun. Look who's in

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<v Speaker 5>the James Finel.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, Jimmy boy fire Riders. Great guy, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, right, let's do the pledge. How about that

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<v Speaker 7>commercials first?

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<v Speaker 5>Take it?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, crazy to do the pledge first, but okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 7>do the commercials.

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<v Speaker 5>We do the commercials first. Were bringing the guests and then.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, come on, said he was doing good.

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<v Speaker 7>All here we go.

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<v Speaker 5>I not lie. Maybe we should bring I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, call Vince tonight. Great Flaws gives you the logo

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<v Speaker 5>for free. Who does it love free? Maybe the funny

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<v Speaker 7>It's free. It's for me, all right? Those two FRC

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<v Speaker 7>my friends, ready, take up one. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>The First Responders Center for Excellence is a not for

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<v Speaker 2>profit organization dedicated to protecting their lives and livelihoods of

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<v Speaker 2>first responders. Their education and research initiatives aim to bring

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<v Speaker 2>greater awareness and understanding the challenges to the health, safety,

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<v Speaker 2>and well being of firefighters, EMS, personnel, and other first

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<v Speaker 2>responders too. They are an affiliate of the National Falling

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<v Speaker 2>Firefighter Foundation.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, tonight, it's old school health and safety tip, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>I know we say it all the time, early detection.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't get everything checked out, But I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 5>guys forget all the time the skin. Mike, you gotta

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<v Speaker 5>get the skin. Check that out with the ultra violet rays.

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<v Speaker 5>Skin cans is a big problem no matter what age are.

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<v Speaker 5>My son is twenty three. He just had two cancer

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<v Speaker 5>things moved from his nose. So get the skin done.

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<v Speaker 5>To stay out of the sun too, Gonzo, will.

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<v Speaker 7>You what but you got a little the you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the good side. I got the you know a little

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<v Speaker 7>bit of that skin.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonzo just sent you something.

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<v Speaker 7>We got Yeah, they comes through yet.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you can play the pledge. Let's get patriotic with.

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<v Speaker 7>Take that hat off from just kidding. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States

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<v Speaker 3>of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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<v Speaker 3>one nation, m under God, indivisible with liberty and justice.

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<v Speaker 6>For all.

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<v Speaker 5>Ammen. Brother, Amen. We've got Todd Swansby in here from

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<v Speaker 5>Wisconsin and cheesehead.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. Actually, Todd, I need him to verify what he

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<v Speaker 7>meant by his statement last Thursday for Peter to train me.

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<v Speaker 7>I want to know.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody somebody's taking a little hat wow obviously.

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<v Speaker 7>Wowings No, not at all, not at all. Just know

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<v Speaker 7>I'm paying attention. I got your number.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, all right, he's watching you. Do you get that picture?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm working on it right now. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 7>kill some.

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<v Speaker 9>Times, working pick up on my clues to think stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>Alright, there you go, all right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Wanting the bank the bank.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't realize. I didn't realize that kid

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<v Speaker 1>Rock had that hair like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Like like Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's exactly to be like Mike.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got a few more shekels than I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm doing all right. I I you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>on a limited income, but I understand.

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<v Speaker 10>All right, I mean what you're saying, man, watch the

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<v Speaker 10>money a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>Who wants to start off? I want to start off.

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<v Speaker 7>No, we can let mister Miller. He's the guy. We'll

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<v Speaker 7>let him come in. I'm not just trying where we

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<v Speaker 7>can let the.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, here's the deal. This was a tough week

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<v Speaker 6>for a lot of guys on the job.

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<v Speaker 8>Monday was I think the thirtieth anniversary of Tom William

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<v Speaker 8>Blind to Do to Death. Yesterday was the ninety three

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<v Speaker 8>attack of the World Trade Center.

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<v Speaker 6>If I'm not mistaken it, Oh no, that was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>today was the explose I forgot to I forgot my phone.

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<v Speaker 6>The phone the phone explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>With seventy five, nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's been a long week.

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<v Speaker 8>And then hopefully some of us will be able to

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<v Speaker 8>get a chance to go to the hundredth anniversary of.

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<v Speaker 5>Rescue Two's Saturday, I believe right.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, Saturday at the Stirling Place in Brooklyn. It's centennial,

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<v Speaker 8>So I hope they'll go there and beat up on

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<v Speaker 8>Liam a little bit, bring him down to size.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and I'm also going to do the nexte your proby,

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<v Speaker 7>it was your approbate when he when he got to four.

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<v Speaker 6>Basically yeah, except I had to go like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>a big guy.

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<v Speaker 8>And then uh I bought the cubes and Louis earlier

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<v Speaker 8>that uh I was gracious, graciously and invited on the fourth,

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<v Speaker 8>April fifth and six to do a seminar and a

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<v Speaker 8>walk through at the story of explosion off for this day.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm looking forward to doing that with the National

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<v Speaker 8>Form fire Fight his Foundation. So you know, we all

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<v Speaker 8>do what then we all play it four which is good.

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<v Speaker 5>Where is that taking place, Mike at the Rock? At

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<v Speaker 5>the Rock?

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I have fifty people from what I was told, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Can anybody go or you gotta get tickets for it or.

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<v Speaker 6>You work, you need tickets if you want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think coach will fucking we'll just crash that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>When is it?

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<v Speaker 7>I was.

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<v Speaker 6>Fifty two people throw some tomatoes like I'm George Bush

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<v Speaker 6>and we're breaking it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it like no, I'm gonna throw my

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<v Speaker 1>shoe like that guy.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, that guy, Yeah, the first one.

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<v Speaker 6>Great reflexes.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he had that funny laugh, that smirk on his

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<v Speaker 9>face all the time, right Bush, Yeah, Bush, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny first and I talked to Lamb at h at

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<v Speaker 5>the Long Island Show and he may come on and

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<v Speaker 5>do something for the centennial.

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<v Speaker 6>Lose would be great.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you guys you mentioned the show. Frankie wanted me

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<v Speaker 7>to share that with you guys real quick before you

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<v Speaker 7>get started.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go, Frankie, Fat Daddy, ray Me, Mikey Milna

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<v Speaker 5>los again. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 7>There's Milner, there's the mill.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of dust in that picture. Mike.

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<v Speaker 6>I was before flush toilets.

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<v Speaker 5>It's rough.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't get any respect.

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<v Speaker 8>You got guys at the rock passing out and guys

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<v Speaker 8>hard about doing homework.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what the generation, bro.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is a new generation.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, uh huh sure.

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<v Speaker 5>So so where do you want to start? Mike?

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<v Speaker 6>First of all, let's let's talk about stats for May

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<v Speaker 6>days and all that. It's pretty it's pretty sobering.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if you're also Mike, I'm sorry to meet interrupt,

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<v Speaker 7>but take a look at this hell for your stats,

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<v Speaker 7>because this is what I have. If anything, if you

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<v Speaker 7>want to use this as a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 7>reference as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, I appreciate that. I don't know what year

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<v Speaker 6>that is. These are is like twenty three.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a lot of the stats that I have

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<v Speaker 7>or something that I'll mention later on today come courtesy

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<v Speaker 7>of a friend of you, as a friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 7>good friend of mine, Rober Miraz from the may Oh.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah you're right.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, from Florida. Yeah, I just I work with

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<v Speaker 7>that I was trying to scrounge for today. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 7>minds aren't that's far up.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm always concerned that residential always leads the way

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<v Speaker 8>when it comes to a line of duty tests and

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<v Speaker 8>read operations. Unlike multiple occupacy and commercials, where most fight

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<v Speaker 8>departments can actually go into the building look for violations

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<v Speaker 8>or do walkthroughs. Private dwellings people don't get permits, especially

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<v Speaker 8>now with the amount of permits in their court. They

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<v Speaker 8>just divide rooms and on sub basements whatever they want

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<v Speaker 8>to do. And from New York City, like Kevin and

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<v Speaker 8>Louis would know. You know, there's a lot of multi

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<v Speaker 8>there's there's all game plan.

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<v Speaker 6>You go in with the line.

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<v Speaker 8>You event you go to the second floor, but it's

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<v Speaker 8>already easy to get caught up in a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny, Mike thinking about that right now.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean if you would have asked me before you

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<v Speaker 9>just said that and you told me where, would I

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<v Speaker 9>think more guys get jammed up?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 9>It would have been the opposite of that. It would

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<v Speaker 9>have been like in a commercial or something that we

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<v Speaker 9>don't you know, because we do know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in New York. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>in other cities, but in New York, we know the

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<v Speaker 1>building somewhat right. We know all those.

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<v Speaker 9>Tenements, we know you know, real frames, we know groundstones.

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<v Speaker 9>That doesn't mean that like exactly what you said that

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<v Speaker 9>there's a you know alterations. I mean the guys up

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<v Speaker 9>in the Bronx. That happened to those guys. So yes,

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<v Speaker 9>but if you would to ask, I mean, it makes

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<v Speaker 9>sense now. But and plus we go to more of those,

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<v Speaker 9>so it makes sense in that regard too. But I

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<v Speaker 9>would think that it would be those yeah, big open

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<v Speaker 6>And I thought the same thing, Louis.

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<v Speaker 8>For a lot of you, I always knew that it

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<v Speaker 8>was dangerous to being residential, but I also kind of

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<v Speaker 8>agree with you that I thought it would be a

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<v Speaker 8>commercial instead of a residential.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's the way it's going.

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<v Speaker 8>And now the other thing with may Day rescues, thirty

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<v Speaker 8>percent of self rescues on their own, they find their

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<v Speaker 8>way out, and then there's uh interior crews. The RITT

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<v Speaker 8>team's getting stuck and it drops down as you go

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<v Speaker 8>percentagewse there you go, Yeah, this is just what we

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<v Speaker 8>will this a lot. So that's another issue that comes

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<v Speaker 8>into place self rescue. Once the incident commander hears a

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<v Speaker 8>may day, the RITT team goes into operations and uh,

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<v Speaker 8>they go to work. They may when the two teams

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<v Speaker 8>come from the front the rear of a building, first

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<v Speaker 8>the second floor, taking stairways, taking ladders, even a towel

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<v Speaker 8>ladder or aerial, and they're not going to really know

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<v Speaker 8>what's going on, and they may be going into some

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<v Speaker 8>very serious situations, and unbeknownst to them.

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<v Speaker 6>The self Rescue is already outside getting R and R.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's happened to me and Rescue four, and I'm

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<v Speaker 8>sure it's happened to a lot of guys on the job,

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<v Speaker 8>even the volunteers where they they're going in beating themselves

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<v Speaker 8>up and then they find the guys already out.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's a concern of me.

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<v Speaker 5>How how can we make that cancel the may day?

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<v Speaker 5>The one you know, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>What it is.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, let me ask you this, Mike, because I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>one hundred percent how if fe and why does it?

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<v Speaker 7>But uh, this is something that's gained a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>traction down here as far as changing the channel's crews

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<v Speaker 7>that are operating. Basically, anybody interior stays on the channel,

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<v Speaker 7>everybody else gets the hell off the channel. So I

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<v Speaker 7>would imagine that maybe the channel changes where some of

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<v Speaker 7>that stuff may be coming in, and then, as you

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<v Speaker 7>said before, no one's canceling the may day and or

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<v Speaker 7>communicating that information. They just yeah, I can do that

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<v Speaker 7>part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Guns.

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<v Speaker 8>I think he got a point, especially in volunteers in

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<v Speaker 8>small deparmers, that he'd like to use multiple channels. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not a big fan of that because that's when I

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<v Speaker 8>think you miss things. Okay, But on that point, I

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<v Speaker 8>would think or suggest that the RIP team coming in,

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<v Speaker 8>they assigned one of their guys just to monitor the

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<v Speaker 8>radio for a may day. That's it, That's all he does,

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<v Speaker 8>and hopefully that can eliminate some of the problems.

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<v Speaker 7>Who knows how that guy is paying attention or girl

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<v Speaker 7>paying attention to the radio traffic, all those the clues

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<v Speaker 7>that a potential may day could be on the horizon,

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<v Speaker 7>right right right.

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<v Speaker 8>And don't forget a lot of may days aren't even given.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, the five company comes out with the line

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<v Speaker 8>happened to me, Engineer Upson comes out, he's missing the

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<v Speaker 8>guy now, right, away.

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<v Speaker 6>Where does he think the guy is in the building.

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<v Speaker 8>So the RIT team, or in my case, was the

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<v Speaker 8>Kevin Daldell rest his soul myself and I think it

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<v Speaker 8>was just the two of us because we split up

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<v Speaker 8>and we filed the line in and we took a

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<v Speaker 8>pretty bad beating to come out to say he's not there,

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<v Speaker 8>and he finds out he's having a cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, there's a lot of variables out there,

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<v Speaker 8>and hopefully tonight guys will realize you got to take

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<v Speaker 8>the writ team very seriously.

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<v Speaker 6>They're not there to be sheep herders.

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<v Speaker 8>They go to work, or they should be put to

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<v Speaker 8>work in some capacity instead of just wilting on the line.

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<v Speaker 6>And told I agree with that. Yeah, and that's a

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<v Speaker 6>big problem you can have.

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<v Speaker 9>You cannot have a fucking truck standing there for you know,

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<v Speaker 9>to a third alarm standing there. You know you cannot,

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<v Speaker 9>I mean what you know, let the guy stand there

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<v Speaker 9>until initially what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and then you know what you can do,

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<v Speaker 1>have another truck come in and then those guys to work.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't, I don't I do hear that now

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<v Speaker 5>though I do hear that because when I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 5>try to get these little pieces for the other segments

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<v Speaker 5>I do. I do hear the chief's calling for another

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<v Speaker 5>for another fast truck, and they say, we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>put the original fast truck to work.

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<v Speaker 9>So well, the thing is, you can't early on that

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<v Speaker 9>was the problem because I don't think in FDN Y Mike,

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<v Speaker 9>you probably know this too better than maybe me, that

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<v Speaker 9>they were putting a fast truck to work and saying

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<v Speaker 9>send another fast truck before they had that they were on.

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<v Speaker 6>The scene right that they defeated the whole purpose, right,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't they were. They used a fast truck because

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<v Speaker 1>shi it was going bad.

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<v Speaker 9>So so now you don't even have a team backing

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<v Speaker 9>them up obviously, I mean the rescuing the squad and

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<v Speaker 9>whoever is coming in, you know. But the whole, the

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<v Speaker 9>whole idea was that they were trying to I don't

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<v Speaker 9>think they do that anymore that now you have to have.

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<v Speaker 9>Sometimes they put an engine to stand the truck and

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<v Speaker 9>tell the other truck if he needs somebody right away,

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<v Speaker 9>they they'll put the engine there until the truck another

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<v Speaker 9>truck comes in as the fast truck.

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<v Speaker 8>If they have a truck question Louis and Kevin at

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<v Speaker 8>the Rock that they teach any of this as far

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<v Speaker 8>as the probi.

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<v Speaker 6>School, Well not.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they teach the fast team now.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, so they all come out of the training center

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<v Speaker 8>at least with the basic knowledge of what they may happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I assume they do. I mean they didn't

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<v Speaker 5>do when I was down there. They didn't do firefighter

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<v Speaker 5>removal then, but I assume they do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Okay, I mean you would hope they're doing that.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, what do you got?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you have anything on the nature of fatal injuries

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<v Speaker 6>and five ground deaths?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure you got it somewhere. I have it here.

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<v Speaker 6>If if you don't, all.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, let me see, because what I have I have

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<v Speaker 7>actually I have this chart here.

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<v Speaker 1>It may not be.

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<v Speaker 7>No. What I have this chart here is time of day.

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<v Speaker 7>So when you're ready for this, we can talk about this.

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<v Speaker 6>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 7>This is time of day related to a truck company specifics.

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<v Speaker 7>As far as a little bit more broke down with detail,

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<v Speaker 7>Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me know, guys, but most of us worked twenty

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<v Speaker 8>four so we worked a lot of nights and I

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<v Speaker 8>always liked the well I didn't do twenty fours, but

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of guys like the twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four for a lot think happened after midnight.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you look see right there, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>But the thing is at night.

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<v Speaker 8>I think, honestly, you'll lose your redge a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>during the dark hours.

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<v Speaker 7>No doubt you're a disadvantage, right.

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<v Speaker 6>You're ready disadvantage.

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<v Speaker 8>You're if you started working nine o'clock and now you

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<v Speaker 8>have a job at eight o'clock in the morning, it's

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<v Speaker 8>twenty three hours into the shift, and now you're going

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<v Speaker 8>out again. You're exhausted, and you're I think your physical

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<v Speaker 8>and mental capabilities are low. It's slight, it's I'm not

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<v Speaker 8>knocking anybody, uh, but we've all been exhausted.

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<v Speaker 6>I gotta be honest. Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't tell how many times I woke up after

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<v Speaker 8>a thirty minute run through the rock waste before I

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<v Speaker 8>was really.

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<v Speaker 6>Ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>So I think that comes into play the time of

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<v Speaker 8>day and night. I also think the weather comes into play.

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<v Speaker 6>Just think about it.

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<v Speaker 8>You're standing fast as the fast struck and it's snowing

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<v Speaker 8>and raining out. That ain't a pleasant sight. You don't

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<v Speaker 8>not getting wet. You're working, but you don't want to

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<v Speaker 8>be standing fast and too long without being put in

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<v Speaker 8>the work. So all these factors do take away from

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<v Speaker 8>the alertness and the capabilities of what's going on for

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<v Speaker 8>that particular fire fight and missing or down.

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<v Speaker 5>So Mike, we talked about it in the pre show

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit. I mean, this is fairly new, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna say new to the FDNY being what Louis said,

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<v Speaker 5>like we first get on ninety three.

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<v Speaker 9>I think it was somebody in the channel, No, but

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<v Speaker 9>I think it was like the mid nineties, like it

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<v Speaker 9>was probably ninety five maybe some time now when they

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<v Speaker 9>started to fat when I remember we started going at

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<v Speaker 9>the fast truck to some of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>But none of the guys took it. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>remember none of the guys took it serious. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just a chance to go to the job, right.

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<v Speaker 9>Not the guy in the chat Steve, we talked about

433
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<v Speaker 9>this last last week or the week after that wasn't

434
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<v Speaker 9>one hundred percent sure. But so you get an extra

435
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<v Speaker 9>engine and truck now automatically. Yeah, So like like we

436
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<v Speaker 9>were saying, so you're going to have an extra two

437
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<v Speaker 9>work the company's coming in automatic. You know, so filling

438
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<v Speaker 9>those gaps in case you needed somebody like right away

439
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<v Speaker 9>without calling a second alarm.

440
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<v Speaker 8>Now, honestly, depending on the size of the building, I

441
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<v Speaker 8>wouldn't think it would be bad for the incident commander

442
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<v Speaker 8>to have two fair strucks ripped rip teams ready to go,

443
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<v Speaker 8>because you may have to go and enter that building

444
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<v Speaker 8>from different opposite sides of the building. Okay, especially if

445
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<v Speaker 8>it's a large building, you can't consider assume that we

446
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<v Speaker 8>go in the front. We're gonna find Mike, Milton h

447
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<v Speaker 8>And based on the radio chat is a collapsed part.

448
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<v Speaker 1>We still have the rescue and the squad doing that.

449
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<v Speaker 6>You may go into a larger building as a too prong.

450
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<v Speaker 8>Attack with your No, I agree with that because you

451
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<v Speaker 8>want to cover the area as quickly as possible.

452
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<v Speaker 1>I got that, and.

453
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we gotta go to the.

454
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<v Speaker 9>P Hey, guns put that. Mike just told that though,

455
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<v Speaker 9>because I was guns put that chut back up. Yeah,

456
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<v Speaker 9>So that was pretty interesting. The units that are involved

457
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<v Speaker 9>in the May.

458
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<v Speaker 7>Days, depending on where you are in the country, tubes right,

459
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<v Speaker 7>remember of a factor there as well.

460
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<v Speaker 9>So to me, like obviously the first units initially they

461
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<v Speaker 9>are fifty seven percent and the second units twenty six

462
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<v Speaker 9>percent units involved in the may day.

463
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<v Speaker 1>But what was weird to me was the.

464
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<v Speaker 9>Unit, the actual unit engine ladder rescue. Right in the

465
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<v Speaker 9>MS the engine is fifty four percent and the LADD

466
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<v Speaker 9>is forty four percent. Like if you would have asked me,

467
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<v Speaker 9>I would have said, the ladd is eighty percent and

468
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<v Speaker 9>the engine is twenty percent.

469
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<v Speaker 6>All right, now, can I give you my weird what

470
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<v Speaker 6>reason why that happens?

471
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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

472
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<v Speaker 8>Okay, I think there's a disconnect between the engine and

473
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<v Speaker 8>truck when it comes to multiple ways out of a building.

474
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<v Speaker 8>They come in through the front door, just for example,

475
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<v Speaker 8>they go up the stairs to the second floor of

476
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<v Speaker 8>a private dwelling. When you're the truck company, you're on

477
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<v Speaker 8>the second floor and the you got multiple ways out

478
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<v Speaker 8>from what the direction you come into come in through

479
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<v Speaker 8>a bedroom might be two windows to get out of.

480
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<v Speaker 6>You come into a dining room, there may be two

481
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<v Speaker 6>or three. You may have a bay window.

482
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<v Speaker 8>The truck, the engine is very used to having that

483
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<v Speaker 8>unbiblical cord meaning the line as their way in and

484
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<v Speaker 8>their way out.

485
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<v Speaker 6>Once you disturb that procedure that pattern, things hit the fan.

486
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<v Speaker 8>And I'm not knocking the engine guys by no means

487
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<v Speaker 8>it's the toughest job on the job and the most

488
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<v Speaker 8>rewarding when you put the fire out. But if you

489
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<v Speaker 8>think of it about its legit just parcel it out

490
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<v Speaker 8>a little bit. The truck company is always trained to

491
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<v Speaker 8>look for multiple ways in, multiple ways out, and I

492
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<v Speaker 8>got to admit that when I had the floor above

493
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<v Speaker 8>Louis and Kevin Gonzo, you know what, I liked being

494
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<v Speaker 8>by myself because I wasn't encumbered with another person to

495
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<v Speaker 8>worry about.

496
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<v Speaker 6>It was me, So if I had to get out,

497
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<v Speaker 6>I could get out.

498
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<v Speaker 8>If you've got an engine company and the captain says

499
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<v Speaker 8>you got to get out of here, he's worried about

500
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<v Speaker 8>three or four guys behind him.

501
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<v Speaker 6>M okay, And it's not.

502
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<v Speaker 8>Hard to lose the feel of that hose. Or there's

503
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<v Speaker 8>a partial club. Let's take in the supermarket, one of

504
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<v Speaker 8>the ale racks goes over.

505
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<v Speaker 1>The ose, loose pressure something like that.

506
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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so they don't have that mindset of a second

507
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<v Speaker 8>or third egress out of the building like a truck.

508
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<v Speaker 9>I was just saying that that's a big that's a

509
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<v Speaker 9>bigger percentage. And I would have thought I could be

510
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<v Speaker 9>again if.

511
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<v Speaker 7>I would have never thought rescues were one percent and

512
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<v Speaker 7>you just looked at the stats for this and of

513
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<v Speaker 7>course from twenty fifteen to twenty one, so it's not

514
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<v Speaker 7>two far.

515
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<v Speaker 8>You can also add to that, guys, the fact that,

516
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<v Speaker 8>guess what, the engines always are their first do so

517
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.079
<v Speaker 8>they're always the first in the building. So they're in

518
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<v Speaker 8>there a lot longer than the truck company or the

519
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<v Speaker 8>second engine.

520
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<v Speaker 6>So they're.

521
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<v Speaker 8>What s word I want to use, they're feeling more

522
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<v Speaker 8>of the danger because they're in there longer and their

523
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<v Speaker 8>first there. So that may end into the the percentage

524
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<v Speaker 8>wise of LOUI. As far as truck versus.

525
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Ray ray uh brought up a good point.

526
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<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna mention this.

527
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so that's a good point because you know when

528
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<v Speaker 9>you went through the window on the floor above, if

529
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 9>I went in through the window, you you started taking

530
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<v Speaker 9>your your points right you get on the right wall,

531
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<v Speaker 9>you know, I here's the couch.

532
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<v Speaker 1>As this is that you're.

533
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<v Speaker 9>Taking points when you're in the engine, you're just stretching

534
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<v Speaker 9>in to that spot. Now, something happens if you lose

535
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.599
<v Speaker 9>the line like Ray's saying, now, all of a sudden

536
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:34.519
<v Speaker 9>you don't have any you have no marking.

537
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<v Speaker 5>Somebody flipped something on top of them.

538
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah right, yeah, in that regard, I could say, you know,

539
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<v Speaker 9>that's a definite I've seen that too, Like you know

540
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.839
<v Speaker 9>what guys get there could be two feet from the

541
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<v Speaker 9>line and they just don't know where these they didn't

542
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<v Speaker 9>take any marks.

543
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<v Speaker 6>It's almost like a uber drive losing his GPS.

544
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<v Speaker 7>He screwed.

545
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<v Speaker 6>So once you lose that physical contact with the line

546
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 6>as an engine guy, you're in trouble.

547
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's where the guys can't be afraid. This is

548
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 7>the message we can send too, is the guy shouldn't

549
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<v Speaker 7>be afraid to call that may day. It's almost like

550
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<v Speaker 7>the I don't want to bring the mental health element

551
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.880
<v Speaker 7>to it, but guys are like, call the may day early.

552
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 7>If you loosen disoriented, that's one of the first things

553
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.519
<v Speaker 7>you want to go ahead and do. Get the guys

554
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 7>coming to you, and so maybe you get a chance

555
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.319
<v Speaker 7>to regroup while you rEFInd the hose line and waver.

556
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<v Speaker 8>The case may be gonzo on that you're one hundred

557
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 8>percent right, But the part part of the problem is

558
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 8>think of it from the police offices. They're not dead

559
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 8>if they do something similar that they go to the

560
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 8>rubber room. So it depends on the culture of each

561
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<v Speaker 8>fire at department.

562
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<v Speaker 6>The culture is culture, definitely fdmy.

563
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<v Speaker 8>I don't think there's anybody that's gonna beat the shit

564
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<v Speaker 8>out of you for calling the may day.

565
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I really don't.

566
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<v Speaker 8>Now, you go to small departments or a Volley house

567
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 8>where they you know, guys are drink, eating wheaties and

568
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 8>working out, and they got this pumped up buying like

569
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<v Speaker 8>they're the king.

570
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<v Speaker 1>Shit.

571
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<v Speaker 6>They may look at it differently, and you know, the

572
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<v Speaker 6>last thing you need for a.

573
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<v Speaker 8>Guy to give him may day and then it's it's

574
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:56.599
<v Speaker 8>rescinded because he finds his way out.

575
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<v Speaker 6>He doesn't need to get his balls busted. He didn't

576
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<v Speaker 6>do it to put people in danger.

577
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 8>He at that particular time to when he was a problem,

578
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 8>he needed to get out and he was scared, and

579
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.000
<v Speaker 8>that's that's fine.

580
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<v Speaker 6>I get scared too in the job. He made a

581
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 6>may day.

582
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 8>So I think the culture has to be brought into

583
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 8>it for guys to want to give may days without

584
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:16.839
<v Speaker 8>any repercussions.

585
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also good.

586
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<v Speaker 9>I was going to say that the young guys might

587
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 9>be more afraid to give you know, listen, if you

588
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 9>if you got twenty years, you know, and you've been

589
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 9>going to fires, you probably have a pretty good idea,

590
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 9>like when you're in trouble, like somewhat right, so.

591
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 7>You got the experience on your bill too, all.

592
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 9>Right exactly, So you might not you might know, you

593
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 9>might not give it right away, but you're probably not

594
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<v Speaker 9>waiting till the last minute either. I would think, you know,

595
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 9>like even for myself. But if you're a young guy

596
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.319
<v Speaker 9>and you're just thoughting, you don't really know.

597
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 5>No, you don't have scared. You may think you're.

598
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 9>You don't have enough experience, so you might hold it

599
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 9>because one you're embarrassed because you you know, you're new.

600
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 7>You know.

601
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 9>That type of thing is is where I think guys

602
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 9>might probably get jammed up more, but maybe not.

603
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

604
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 6>Now you've got a good point. I mean, it's all variable.

605
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 8>I mean the volunteer rit teams are different from a

606
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 8>career and small paid apartments. They're all differently, all operate differently,

607
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 8>and their cultures are all different.

608
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 6>As much as I like to say.

609
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 8>Boss and the Baltimore as the same culture as New York,

610
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 8>they had their own you know, they don't you know,

611
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 8>and you can't faulter for that. But I personally don't

612
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.000
<v Speaker 8>think it's wrong for anybody to give the may day

613
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 8>if they think they're in trouble and if they rescind

614
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 8>it because they found their way.

615
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 7>Out of so be it and just cancel the mayding.

616
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 7>But then they again it's a mindset thing for some

617
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 7>of our younger guys. If you will, we can. I

618
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.319
<v Speaker 7>don't want a stereotype or group anybody together, but I mean,

619
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 7>Loup makes a good point as far as experience, could

620
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 7>you might stretch it or push it a little bit

621
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 7>further than somebody that's uh, you know, even a couple

622
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 7>of years on the job kind of thing that might be.

623
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<v Speaker 8>You know, you know what Gonzo, even as a as

624
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 8>a twenty five year member, you know what, I had

625
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 8>a little bravado, uh tough guy image to a degree

626
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 8>being in a rescue and I'll use the square anybody

627
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 8>on the job, busy house whatever. You know, you got

628
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 8>a little bravado, a little company pride, and I got

629
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 8>admit that I don't even know if I could even

630
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 8>give him may day.

631
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 6>I'm just throwing that out there.

632
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:20.680
<v Speaker 7>But culture, so.

633
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 9>That's funny to say that because I think if I ever,

634
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 9>you know, whenever I had an issue, Let's say I

635
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 9>wouldn't give him may day, but I would be like, uh, you.

636
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Know whoever that's where are you?

637
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

638
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, but like on the rad would be like, Coops,

639
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>where are you? Yeah, I'm gonna says I need a

640
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>hand down.

641
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 11>Here, you know, like something like something kind of like

642
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 11>a little bit, you know, like everybody know, I like,

643
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 11>you know what that means because my hands on with

644
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 11>Salva one time and he was in the attic and

645
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 11>he didn't give the may day.

646
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 5>But he got in the attic, he got in a

647
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 5>bad place and only and now I never forget that

648
00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 5>because they used to bring his balls by the he's

649
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 5>like oop scoobs him in the attic. I'm like, oh, okay,

650
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 5>I think that means that he's fucking jammed up. So

651
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 5>he didn't have to give them ay day. But Hopkins

652
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 5>and I went up the aerial into the attic. We

653
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.319
<v Speaker 5>got the ship reamed out of us by uh what

654
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.039
<v Speaker 5>was the chiefs name, Farrell or Faris Ferris Ferris, I

655
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 5>forget it was. Yes, he reamed us because he told

656
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 5>us to stand fast. But when Bobby said, Coops scoops

657
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 5>him in the attic. I think I was like, oh ship,

658
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 5>I think he's in trouble.

659
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know what, a lot of guys also don't

660
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 6>realize an ft on ony, we don't really open up

661
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:34.160
<v Speaker 6>the roof on a peak roof, so that window windows. Man,

662
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 6>you listen.

663
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 8>I did a lot of times, and I'll tell you

664
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 8>it's hot. You got the knee wol You could go

665
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 8>like my arm's length with a knee and there's a

666
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 8>knee wall on both sides.

667
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And the window the windows this big.

668
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't believe I'm in there.

669
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You put your head out the window and you're like,

670
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm fucking screwed.

671
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you guys, pull up that chart one more time.

672
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 5>I'm just gonna throw something out there. Pull up the

673
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 5>meet the engine truck. Yeah, let me see time of

674
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 5>the day information career Units involved in may days. Now,

675
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm just gonna throw us out there, units involved in

676
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 5>may days? Are we sure that that means that the

677
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 5>engine is going to get somebody? Or are we are

678
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 5>we talking about the engine is the one that winds

679
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 5>up giving them may day?

680
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 7>These are all the stats that are people calling them

681
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 7>may days, and what the day.

682
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 5>Calling the may days calling the or the units.

683
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 7>Most commonly percentage wise obviously, or who will call the

684
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 7>may days? Okay, breaks it down.

685
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 5>Right, all right, that's what I wanted to say.

686
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 8>Okay, let me just change the subject a little bit.

687
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 8>We go to a little more on the stats with

688
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 8>the nature of the injury.

689
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Uh, the big one.

690
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 8>I'm sure Gonzo has a stat on it, similar to

691
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 8>my Uh the debts are higher with a sudden cardiac death,

692
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 8>an eternal crushing. Uh, there's those are the big, big

693
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 8>ones that are the most cause of a fatal collapse.

694
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Collapse.

695
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 6>Well, this is talking about just the nature of the injuries. Ah,

696
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 6>I got okay, just the heart attack, trauma, burns, gunshot,

697
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 6>all that stuff.

698
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 7>Gun shot, somebody's accidentally who.

699
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 6>Is now to your point? Lewis on the fixed death

700
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.240
<v Speaker 6>by fixed property homes lead the apartments and homes are

701
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 6>thirty eighth for the apartments, thirty one for the homes.

702
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 6>So once again residential uh situation seeing the cause the

703
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 6>most problems when it comes to rick teams going to

704
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 6>work line of duties in May days, which we all

705
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 6>know why, like Black Friday, the rooms have changed around

706
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 6>or a very tight residential area change.

707
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 5>Who knows that maybe the rest ros down there now

708
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.920
<v Speaker 5>they in there?

709
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 6>Correct, excuse me, talk to you in Gonzo.

710
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead.

711
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 6>Firefighters lead in the deaths. I'm sorry to tell you that,

712
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 6>but sixty sixty firefighters company officer in seventeen percent for

713
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 6>cheap officer. As far as the ranks on far as

714
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 6>the line of duty debts and whether a ritteam goes

715
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 6>into operation.

716
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 5>Wow, that's that's the sense. There's more firemen on the

717
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's one officer for five firemen.

718
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, yeah, get there a little askew, You're right

719
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 6>on the numbers. And then what's uh with the ranks?

720
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 8>Uh, the biggest rank as far as years of service

721
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 8>when someone dies is five years.

722
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.039
<v Speaker 6>Of few, which we can all understand the new or

723
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 6>they're in a slow company, or they don't just don't

724
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 6>get a lot of work exactly.

725
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 7>We say, they don't have the experience of exactly to

726
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 7>build exactly exactly.

727
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 6>And then the next largest one is uh, sixteen to

728
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 6>twenty years.

729
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 9>Wow, well that's probably more heart attack related than print. Maybe, yeah,

730
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 9>I would like to see that.

731
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, here's a good point too. Uh, fires are more

732
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 5>advanced one of the first engine rolls in at two am.

733
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 7>Well, especially in today's fires too, you know back in

734
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:03.599
<v Speaker 7>the day the materials burn today or you know, you're

735
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 7>hitting flash over in some serious conditions, very quid.

736
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.159
<v Speaker 9>At noon, there's a lot more people moving around than

737
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.320
<v Speaker 9>at two o'clock in the morning, so it gets you know, generally, it's.

738
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 7>Well.

739
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.159
<v Speaker 8>You can also look at it from the point of

740
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 8>view that thirty forty years ago everything was made out

741
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 8>of wood, plaster, sheet rock.

742
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 6>Now that's a lot of plastic. The TV's are gassing,

743
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 6>everything's off gassing. The furniture is cheap.

744
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 8>It's compressed wood with varnish and whatever the chemicals they

745
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 8>used to make the wood. And you know what, in

746
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.760
<v Speaker 8>the old days, you could probably get on your on

747
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 8>your on your belly and take.

748
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.840
<v Speaker 6>The mask off and survive and crawl out following the light.

749
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 8>Nowadays, I don't know if you could do that anymore,

750
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 8>take then the mask off and crawl out with the

751
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.280
<v Speaker 8>I don't think you can. I think we're so unfortunately

752
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.159
<v Speaker 8>dependent on the SCBA because of the chemicals and the

753
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 8>warf gases and the heat that it generates, that it

754
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:00.719
<v Speaker 8>really works against us.

755
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 6>If you get trapped. You're really screwed.

756
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 7>I am not to switch gears little, but I actually

758
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 7>have an FDNY study that I printed up from nineteen

759
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 7>ninety eight, or actually my buddy Rob gave me to

760
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 7>two thousand and eight. Just a quick a couple of

761
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.000
<v Speaker 7>bullet points that I've mentioned and we could talk about it.

762
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 7>From one was the average elapse time from A ten

763
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 7>to seventy five until may day was transmitted. It was

764
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 7>nineteen minutes.

765
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, twenty minutes is the mock.

766
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 7>Man, Yeah, so nineteen minutes for again, this is maybe

767
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 7>this is for you guys. Obviously, average time to locate

768
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.480
<v Speaker 7>the mystic member was between five minutes and eighteen seconds,

769
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.159
<v Speaker 7>and then average a lap time from may day to

770
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 7>removal was twelve minutes to twelve minutes and forty one seconds.

771
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 7>So who found a member? First? Of all, lomed units

772
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 7>seventy six percent of the time, sock units were eleven

773
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.400
<v Speaker 7>percent of the time, almost twelve, and your fast unit

774
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 7>was five point eight percent of the time. Again, this

775
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 7>was in nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and eight period.

776
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 6>And that's what's going on now with certain segments of

777
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 6>the fire Service. Because the rip team works so little

778
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 6>that some of them must say we don't really need

779
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.440
<v Speaker 6>to use them. I happen to disagree.

780
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 8>I think when it comes to may days, you want

781
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 8>a fresh set of eyes and ears and troops and

782
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 8>not being emotionally attached to that victim that's missing.

783
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 6>So I think.

784
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 8>I think chiefs have to think about the fact that psychologically,

785
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 8>who do you really want to go into to make

786
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 8>the grib Let's say Louis down on the line somewhere

787
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 8>in the building you want to send squad to eighty

788
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 8>eight back in now they have an emotional tie with

789
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 8>it Louis. I don't know if that's always a good idea,

790
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 8>because I think when you get so emotional, you're not

791
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 8>thinking clearly. So I firmly believe that a fresh root

792
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 8>team has no allegiance to anybody there, because they're probably

793
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 8>coming from another neighborhood, even though the arm it. When

794
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 8>they get there, all they know is there's an officer

795
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 8>missing on that line, and they go in and I

796
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 8>think maybe they're a little more alert.

797
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 6>They're removing any emotional or psychological ties and they're going

798
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.920
<v Speaker 6>in there to grab a guy because he's down.

799
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 7>Period in a perfect world, that's how it would be.

800
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 7>But you know, most of you guys, most of the

801
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 7>traditional guys like you'd have a hard time fighting those

802
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 7>guys away.

803
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.199
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, listen, they're going over whether you want.

804
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 7>It or not, they're going.

805
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 6>Don't believe me, I I agree, don't get me wrong.

806
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 6>But I'm just trying to show that in the if

807
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 6>this is the real world, that's how I would operate,

808
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 6>if I was the incident commander. Well, we take your

809
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 6>men out, We're going to send a fresh set of

810
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 6>troops in there.

811
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Are they are they? Are they gearing towards getting rid

812
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 1>of the riot teams? Is that what you were saying

813
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>like you're feeling?

814
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 7>No, I don't think so.

815
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>No.

816
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 6>I think what's going on, Louis.

817
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 8>I think just some guys and you know, they had,

818
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 8>they had the stats to use any way they want,

819
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 8>and they probably do. Work a lot of departments I

820
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 8>think are looking to say I'll just use the guys

821
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 8>at the scene and not think the root team is

822
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 8>going to be of value, or why put the training

823
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 8>and and and moneies and equipment into having a RIT

824
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 8>team in our department when we could put that those

825
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 8>assets in other ways.

826
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 6>Other places.

827
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 8>Like I said, I firmly believe that a RIT team

828
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 8>is uh spot on. They get to the scene, and

829
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 8>I'll talk about that. I can talk about it right now.

830
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 8>I mean if I if I'm the retal officer, I know,

831
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 8>and this is based on what I read from my

832
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 8>thug in and John Soccer, So I'm not the expert

833
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 8>by no means, but uh networking, Yeah yeah, and that's

834
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 8>how you learn, especially when you're retired and you only

835
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 8>can read.

836
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 6>Now, I can't do it, hands on it.

837
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 8>The point being is I if I was an answer

838
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 8>commander and Louis walked up as twenty eight, I'll use

839
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 8>you as an example as a RIT team. Uh, Louis, Uh,

840
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 8>can you send a guy around to the back and

841
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.280
<v Speaker 8>give me an idea what's going on?

842
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 6>Because you know he's only getting what he's getting, So

843
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 6>a fresh set of eyes come in. And Louis would

844
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 6>have done it anyway as an officer. He sent a

845
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 6>guy to rear. It's ladded. Is there is there a

846
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 6>bulge in the comrciall wall cracks? What are the color?

847
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 6>Is a dark smoke? I mean these are things that

848
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 6>the answer commander didn't know needs to know especially if

849
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 6>the may day comes in and the officer in charge

850
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 6>of the RIT team needs to know these things so

851
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 6>he has a game plan as far as tactics. Maybe

852
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 6>I don't go through the front of the building, maybe

853
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 6>the back, or I go to the front inside of

854
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 6>the back because it's cracked. You know, there's a lot

855
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 6>of valuables.

856
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 8>But I think the RIT team when it gets there,

857
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 8>they got to be put to work, maybe not going

858
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 8>to work directly, but walking around the building missing ladders. Hey,

859
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 8>they could be a guy laying on the ground jumped

860
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.320
<v Speaker 8>out of the building. You don't know, all right, And

861
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 8>the way some of these buildings are configured. I live

862
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 8>in a row of townhomes and it's the volunteers would

863
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 8>show up first. Now I'm not knocking him, but do

864
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 8>they really go around to the back?

865
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

866
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 7>Well they may not.

867
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 6>They may just light in the front of the building

868
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 6>and go, hey, we did our job and are not

869
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 6>saying they're wrong.

870
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 8>So you know it's important to get that one guy

871
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.360
<v Speaker 8>or set it two guys around the back and give

872
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 8>the RIT team officer a little more information that he

873
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 8>can give to the chief in charge to come up

874
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 8>with a game plan prior to a May day.

875
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's that's part of the training that we're doing

876
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 7>doing done here. We're revamping, not let's say revamping. We

877
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.840
<v Speaker 7>are doing what they eventually will implement in South Florida

878
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 7>where we have dedicated just like you guys you have

879
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 7>the fast company where we're trying to it's it's in

880
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 7>the works, it's very close to being done. We'll have

881
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 7>our own engine company that will be a writ company

882
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 7>we're actually doing. Or we have I WRIT that's on

883
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 7>seeing the initial writ team of four people on scene

884
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 7>and that's just to get somebody in the building sides

885
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.000
<v Speaker 7>up and see what they need while you potentially could

886
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.159
<v Speaker 7>have another couple of units deep or we call on

887
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Speaker 7>deck to go ahead and fill their place. But you

888
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 7>have to be now certified. You know they're going to

889
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 7>put you through more extensive training to fill the role

890
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 7>as the writ team going forward.

891
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 8>That's the only job, chief, that's I think that that's

892
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 8>you got the heads up on that, because uh, they

893
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.280
<v Speaker 8>should be specialized. They're doing a unique job that's not

894
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 8>done often, thank god, and they have to know what

895
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 8>they're doing. They're going into a much more serious situation

896
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:07.320
<v Speaker 8>than they normally.

897
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 6>Would go as a regular truck arrangine.

898
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 8>So they're going into a situation where the guy's already down,

899
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 8>they don't know where he is within reason, and they're

900
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.199
<v Speaker 8>going to go in through that smoking heat to collapse

901
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 8>the aisles.

902
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 5>The ceilings already gone sideways by the time they go,

903
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 5>so the pot's already on the shithead.

904
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 6>So they need to be specially trained.

905
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 8>I you know, you know a lot of guys don't

906
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 8>want to hear about training, but you know what it is,

907
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 8>a specialized ask to be the richting it really is.

908
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 7>Okay, yeah, they have it's going to be a minimum

909
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 7>staffing of four initially firefighters, and we're even taking it

910
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 7>at all policy. We're doing it a step further because

911
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 7>there's another element to it because it's not the sexiest

912
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 7>job sometimes, as we've already discussed, and how it can

913
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 7>people be assigned writ and get a little discouraged. But

914
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 7>we're also doing a rehab part of it where some

915
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 7>guys might be there for forty five minutes. Now they're fatigued.

916
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 7>Now the shit really need them. Are they gonna be

917
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 7>able to work because they've be standing there and gear

918
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 7>ready to go, and for us in South Florida baking.

919
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 7>If you can't find a shady spot to try to

920
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 7>maintain something and still be ready to go close enough

921
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.719
<v Speaker 7>to get into the structure if you need to. You

922
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.280
<v Speaker 7>know you got all these little bit different factors that

923
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 7>are coming to how you actually deploy rit when.

924
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 6>It comes time and you got a good air of

925
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 6>the So.

926
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 1>What do you say?

927
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

928
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 7>Let me see what wrong person?

929
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

930
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.880
<v Speaker 7>Lou another thing that is written. It's met with the

931
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 7>show for in front and let him know we're taking

932
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 7>a line off his rig because most of the other

933
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 7>lines are committed.

934
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Coobs used to do that.

935
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 5>I that I used to pull the line off the

936
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 5>front and have it. If we were first due, I

937
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 5>would pull a line off the front, charge it and

938
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 5>leave it there just in case somebody showed up at

939
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 5>the window. At least I can shoot something over his

940
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 5>head or anything. I have a charge line sitting there

941
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 5>waiting to go with two or three. I forget what

942
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 5>we had on the front. Three three lengths two lengths.

943
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 5>Once you get the water, you're sitting there anyway, you

944
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 5>thumb up your asks, so you might as well do

945
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 5>something well. Lad of the building. You have a ladder

946
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.119
<v Speaker 5>on the squad rate, throw the ladder up in the

947
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.400
<v Speaker 5>front of it's not there. Do something.

948
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 7>It's definitely a good tech to have an aggressive show

949
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 7>for or for aggressive driver. It's not a have the

950
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 7>foresight to stop playing the head. Guff a bit the

951
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:10.519
<v Speaker 7>shit go sideways.

952
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know what, you can have a ladder of

953
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 6>the building. Enough, let's let's so not.

954
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 8>I think in a lot of ways, if the rich

955
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.559
<v Speaker 8>sees a lack of ladder in the rear of the building,

956
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 8>they should go to work.

957
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 5>Talking about a first two engineer, there was always later

958
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 5>on your rate, throw it up.

959
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.559
<v Speaker 9>There was always this balance, Mike, because I used to

960
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 9>get uh, like like you like you know in the

961
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 9>rescue sometimes you pull up there the chiefs like, stand

962
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 9>fast for a second, right, So what is that fifty

963
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 9>percent of the time, so you're standing out. So getting

964
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 9>back to what you said is, I would say coops

965
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 9>could attested this probably every time.

966
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 1>If I was in that.

967
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 9>Position, I would always send two guys to the just

968
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 9>go around the building right. Whether or not I ever

969
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 9>saw them again, that was one thing. But they were

970
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 9>going around to check if something was messed up. They

971
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 9>would come back and say, hey, lou this is what's

972
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 9>going on? If there wasn't if they never came back,

973
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 9>then I kind of knew that everything was good at

974
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 9>this point. But getting back to what you were just

975
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 9>saying was that it's always this catch twenty two like

976
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 9>if if the fast team starts doing some stuff. I

977
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 9>always felt like, if something went bad, right, they have

978
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 9>all the tools in front, right if they got to

979
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 9>get if somebody shows up at you know, window bars

980
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.320
<v Speaker 9>or something, you got to have all hands on deck.

981
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>You know.

982
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 9>It's kind of like this balance between Yeah, you want

983
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 9>to definitely check stuff out, but if you're really the

984
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 9>team that's sitting there waiting, then you really have to

985
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 9>be if you're going to do it properly, you have

986
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 9>to be prepared on as if it's actually going to happen,

987
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 9>because you know, if you keep sneaking away, sneaking away,

988
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 9>sneaking away, and then you know it's it's going to

989
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.039
<v Speaker 9>happen at some point, you know what I mean.

990
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 8>Another way too, and we all do it. I mean

991
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 8>when you're responding and I hate to say it this way. Uh,

992
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 8>you know, not every outfit in any oh I got you,

993
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 8>I got you.

994
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 6>And not all the thing.

995
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:03.000
<v Speaker 8>Okay, right about so you know, when you're responding, even

996
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 8>as a RIT team, you're probably saying, oh my god,

997
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 8>I can't believe they're stuck.

998
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 6>But I figured they would get stuck. If there was

999
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 6>any one engine company was going to get stuck, it

1000
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 6>was X y Z. Okay.

1001
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 8>So that's part of your tactics as you're responding as

1002
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 8>a RIT team. You want to know who's coming in,

1003
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.000
<v Speaker 8>who's there, and you know what, you can judge certain

1004
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 8>things just by knowing who's responding. I remember when we

1005
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 8>had the Tom Williams, we knew who were responding, and

1006
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 8>you know, you play, you adjust your tactics correct exactly.

1007
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 8>So there's a lot of moving parts when you're the

1008
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 8>RIP team. And I you know, once again I find

1009
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 8>it a RITT team serves a lot of value purposes

1010
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 8>and uh, to Gonzo's point, they should be all certified.

1011
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 6>And I think, you know what, if the culture changes

1012
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.639
<v Speaker 6>a little bit, you know what, a captain maybe in

1013
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 6>a slower truck company or engine company, you know what,

1014
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.679
<v Speaker 6>you can wind up his troops a little bit by

1015
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 6>making them, hey, chief cool x y Z engine. They are,

1016
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 6>they have.

1017
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.880
<v Speaker 8>Great train, they're well trained, they're well reversed on tactics.

1018
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 8>If someone gets stuck, you call those guys and you

1019
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 8>make it something instead of just being always standing there

1020
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 8>like cheaper, make it something that they call you because you're.

1021
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 6>Good at it.

1022
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 7>That's getting the repsent, getting the training, concentrating more focused

1023
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.679
<v Speaker 7>on what true RIT responsibilities are going to be. And

1024
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 7>we Lou touched on on earlier, but you know, there's

1025
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 7>a key element that people misses, the three sixty on

1026
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 7>doing the size up together, the information I got forbid

1027
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 7>something happens, you have preloaded information and for me, for

1028
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 7>my an instant of commander, if I can't do it

1029
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 7>three sixty to kind of get a game plan myself,

1030
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.039
<v Speaker 7>which is something we always try to do, is to

1031
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 7>get that three sixty to you know, have obviously an

1032
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 7>understanding of the building. If I can't if it's a

1033
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 7>big building, what about multiple RIT teams you know you're

1034
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 7>thinking about we're just saying that's what you know, he's saying,

1035
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.119
<v Speaker 7>multiple rict team on the size of the building. But

1036
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 7>the three sixty how important that can be to determine

1037
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.280
<v Speaker 7>what your your level of uh, you know, resources that

1038
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 7>you're going to need to the scene kind of thing.

1039
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 8>But going back to the Louis about the laddering. Let's

1040
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 8>also keep in mind not everybody ladders properly. Personally, when

1041
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 8>I ladd I like to.

1042
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 6>Trim the window. Put the ladder to the sill, make

1043
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 6>it two or three inches above, so if someone goes

1044
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.840
<v Speaker 6>in or it needs to come out, they can grab something. Now,

1045
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 6>I've seen a lot of videos they put the ladder

1046
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 6>on the side.

1047
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Uh too low, too high? Right, Yeah, So to.

1048
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 8>The movie's point, maybe by sending a rip team around

1049
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 8>to readjust where the ladders are, can't hurt well.

1050
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 9>Take window bars whatever it is. You know, I don't mind,

1051
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 9>you know, all those little things. That's how I used

1052
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.039
<v Speaker 9>to get into jobs, Mike a lot of times with

1053
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 9>the guys as you know, not as.

1054
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 1>A fast team, but as the squad.

1055
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 6>You know.

1056
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 9>If I how was that and there wasn't much to do,

1057
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 9>that's fine, right, I don't care. I want to go home, right,

1058
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 9>I'll go to But if there's ship going on and

1059
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 9>there's twenty guys standing that in the street and there's

1060
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 9>six windows down the alley and the fires on the

1061
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 9>first floor, and nobody's taking the window bars, or there's

1062
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 9>one guy in o V from the truck probably taking

1063
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 9>the windows. Then I'm going to say, listen, I'm gonna

1064
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 9>send a couple of chief I'm gonna send a few guys.

1065
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take that ship off of you do the Jedi.

1066
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 5>The Jedi mind trick the chief. I think I see

1067
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 5>some window bars down there, maybe.

1068
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Next thing, a home, next thing. I'm like, take care

1069
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of those bars. I'm gonna.

1070
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 5>Trick bro. Yeah, you see those bars on the windows.

1071
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 5>Good idea.

1072
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:36.920
<v Speaker 6>You know what though, I think a lot of chiefs

1073
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 6>knew that squads and rescues with what they were pulling

1074
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 6>their their leg they knew it, you know.

1075
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 9>I mean, listen, we would taking care of business, but

1076
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 9>we wanted to get in the building right absolutely. Hey,

1077
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 9>just just a quick thing, Mike, hold on, Yeah, when

1078
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 9>your when your rip team shows up, what what are they?

1079
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 1>What are they bringing? What are they doing?

1080
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 5>Dude? You stole my question.

1081
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Well I do that all the time.

1082
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 7>To what I touched on earlier about the I rate,

1083
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 7>We're only taken the essential stuff to get in there

1084
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 7>and size up to see what equipment you're actually gonna need,

1085
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 7>hopefully or if they make it to the to the

1086
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.480
<v Speaker 7>down personnel, and then we'll go ahead and call the.

1087
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>So when they show up at the command post, what

1088
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:15.519
<v Speaker 1>do they have?

1089
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 7>You may see obviously this is a full blown I

1090
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 7>just had a couple of things that this is. I

1091
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:22.639
<v Speaker 7>don't I don't remember what department I got this for

1092
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 7>for us. You probably we're gonna have a tick. Probably

1093
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 7>we're gonna have the rippack, which obviously you guys all

1094
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 7>know what for. Oh I can't receive that.

1095
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 6>Let me try this one.

1096
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>There we go.

1097
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.199
<v Speaker 7>We got this is scott ripack that we have. The

1098
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:34.719
<v Speaker 7>guys are gonna show up with this. If we have

1099
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 7>a pack tracker that's on the battalion truck. The guys

1100
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 7>will have that obviously, thrumal imitging cameras, some hand tools,

1101
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 7>and then they'll they'll be pretty much ready to go.

1102
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 7>And then obviously once they're gonna be deployed, the next

1103
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 7>crew in, we'll be bringing the basket of entourage of shit,

1104
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 7>uh kind of getting ready depending on once we size

1105
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 7>up and see what the resources we're actually gonna need

1106
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.800
<v Speaker 7>to if we need to go this deep to get

1107
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 7>somebody out, Hey, gonzo, what do you go?

1108
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 6>Are you including in that? Get any hydraulic tools like

1109
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 6>a rabbit tool or something like that.

1110
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 7>We have rabbit tools on there. Again, it's uh, hopefully

1111
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.920
<v Speaker 7>we have an aggressive officer that would do that and

1112
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:08.760
<v Speaker 7>think that far ahead.

1113
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.079
<v Speaker 1>But I see that this is.

1114
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 7>So, yes, it is on here. Okay, But this is

1115
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 7>just something some of the very similar setups that I've

1116
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 7>seen when I was doing some research for that. I

1117
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 7>would imagine this is a very common theme throughout the

1118
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 7>United States to what people kind of bringing. But now

1119
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 7>treating this as a secondary type of deployment, if you will,

1120
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 7>in addition.

1121
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>To you and by you too, it does the same.

1122
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.599
<v Speaker 9>It just bounces from whatever company, whatever truck is available

1123
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 9>for that.

1124
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 7>Normally it's our third engine company that runs in is

1125
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 7>our is our routine. But now with this new policy

1126
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 7>that's coming down the line here, it's it's gonna request

1127
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 7>four members. So what that's gonna do for me is

1128
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm not rolling heavy, you know what I'm saying. So

1129
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 7>we got three on an engine and then uh the

1130
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 7>two on the Yeah, that's my thing. Now, I guts

1131
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 7>you're rolling heavy. I got two guys on a rescue

1132
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.239
<v Speaker 7>truck so or an ambulance down here, So that that's fine. Guy,

1133
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna sign to units to be my Rick company

1134
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 7>the way I would look at it.

1135
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 6>Right and heavy. If you got four guys, that means

1136
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 6>if you have to, you can split it to two

1137
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 6>teams safely.

1138
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:12.280
<v Speaker 7>But what they're looking for, like I said, going forward,

1139
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Speaker 7>they want a minimum of four people for the RITEAE. Again,

1140
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:16.880
<v Speaker 7>as we're moving forward, that's going to be the norm

1141
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 7>for us down here, and it'll be taking it step further.

1142
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 7>As I mentioned, you're going to have a dedicated company,

1143
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:23.719
<v Speaker 7>just like you guys have the Fast company. You know,

1144
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 7>we're going to have a dedicated Rick company down here

1145
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 7>and that's all they do. That's all they're going to do.

1146
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 7>That's what say. It's gonna be additional training. There's going

1147
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 7>to be an initial rollout. There'll be a forty hour

1148
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 7>program that.

1149
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 5>They money that comes with that. They're only everybody has their.

1150
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 7>Own union down here that maybe that will come down

1151
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.559
<v Speaker 7>the line, but you know, they want to get ahead

1152
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 7>and kind of create.

1153
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 8>Now let me, chief, let me ask you a question.

1154
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 8>Besides the big tools, the hand tools like that, the

1155
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 8>halligan and axe and wall hooks and all that, do

1156
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.880
<v Speaker 8>they carry wire sniffs?

1157
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 7>Oh? Yeah, all of our guys. And that's actually part

1158
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 7>of the training that we do is where's your whe's

1159
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 7>your wire steps, what's in your pockets? You know, all those.

1160
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.880
<v Speaker 7>As you're there as the company officer that's running that

1161
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 7>RIT team, one may want to go ahead and do

1162
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 7>a check you know, we got a nice little checklist

1163
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 7>of training. These are all little bullet points that we

1164
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 7>have that we're going to remind the crews of as

1165
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:12.559
<v Speaker 7>we go ahead and roll this out, which is most

1166
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.440
<v Speaker 7>of the stuff they should already have. We have some

1167
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 7>of our guys are very good to get much better,

1168
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.599
<v Speaker 7>being aggressive and really.

1169
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:20.280
<v Speaker 6>Now, let me ask you a question.

1170
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 8>I know Suffie County has a WRIT program, I guess

1171
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 8>is sponsored by the state. Does Florida have the same

1172
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 8>type of program for the entire state?

1173
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 7>Right now? This is what this basically is going to

1174
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 7>probably start, other than what each department does on their

1175
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 7>own based on you know, collaborative we all kind of

1176
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 7>bounce these ideas off of each other and trying to streamline.

1177
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 7>So this is one thing in particular that's a big

1178
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 7>thing that we try to streamline along with the EV

1179
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.679
<v Speaker 7>policy that we went out recently, so we were trying

1180
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 7>to be on the same page and do the same

1181
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 7>things for these specialties. If you will.

1182
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 5>So all that equipment is great, but if you don't

1183
00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 5>practice with it, bro, and you don't practice five fight,

1184
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 5>ain't I mean shit, you're gonna have all the equipment

1185
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 5>in that basket you want. But ask Louis what was

1186
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 5>the toughest course we haven't took on the squad fire

1187
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 5>fighter removal. If you don't practice that, absolutely you might

1188
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 5>as well take all that shit and throw in the garbage.

1189
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 7>We're like I said, there's a nice push, especially for

1190
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 7>my agency. You know, we were only twenty five years

1191
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.159
<v Speaker 7>as a career department, but the culture is changing. We

1192
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.320
<v Speaker 7>have a lot of great guys now and they are

1193
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:28.360
<v Speaker 7>so aggressive with training. So it's nice to see and

1194
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 7>they're doing that. We got a nice routine for the

1195
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 7>first time. They go out and they compete and it's just,

1196
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's infecting everybody else. So they're getting out

1197
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 7>there for us and really getting the reps in so

1198
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.239
<v Speaker 7>chief do they in Florida? Do you have a burn

1199
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.400
<v Speaker 7>building in the trade? We in my training center we

1200
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 7>have both. We have a we have one of the

1201
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 7>only we have a couple of them. We were actually

1202
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 7>rebuilding it right now. It's a three story class A

1203
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 7>prop that we that were burning no gas strictly.

1204
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure you're.

1205
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 8>Aready way ahead of me on this what I'm about

1206
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 8>to say. But I always believe in make the drill

1207
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 8>as real as possible. So in my opinion, you got

1208
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.519
<v Speaker 8>to burn building. You put a dummy in there, you

1209
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 8>mask out, you mask them out, black out their mask,

1210
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 8>and you put them the work and see how they

1211
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 8>operate under as close to real condition as possible.

1212
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 6>Because doing it dry, doing.

1213
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 8>It with some smoke, heating and someone screaming and yelling,

1214
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 8>totally different way of approaching what you're training on real time,

1215
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 8>real stuff. I think all of us concentrate more on

1216
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.119
<v Speaker 8>getting the job done the right way than just playing

1217
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 8>the game for the chief.

1218
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 7>So we actually in my new recruit program, which we've

1219
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 7>been doing for almost five years now, we actually do that.

1220
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.239
<v Speaker 7>I mean we do Hollywood smoke for the most part.

1221
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 7>Means when you do an FPA burns down here, you

1222
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 7>know you gotta everything is gonna get to check your dots,

1223
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 7>cross your teeth, the whole thing. But so he was

1224
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 7>Hollywood smoke. But we have the blackout masks, right, and

1225
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:58.199
<v Speaker 7>we put them through the and we really make them

1226
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 7>drag them up, down through to put them in some

1227
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 7>tough situations to really work. You know, obviously with patient packaging,

1228
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.679
<v Speaker 7>getting that firefire out, taking all those steps, transfer them

1229
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 7>to the rip pack if they need filling, doing a

1230
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 7>hot fill whatever, or transfer swamp.

1231
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:18.239
<v Speaker 8>Now another here's another thing I think should be with

1232
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.119
<v Speaker 8>RIT teams. I personally believe everyone should be at least

1233
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 8>an empty or a first responder number two. Having a

1234
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 8>paramedic may even be better on that RIT team in case.

1235
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 7>We're all paramedic don here. Just so not everybody, mostly

1236
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 7>people in South Flower or Paramo.

1237
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 8>Always I say that, you know what, a lot of

1238
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:41.280
<v Speaker 8>the times it's just an intense situation to get a

1239
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 8>guy out.

1240
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 6>It may take minutes, could take hours. So having a

1241
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 6>paramedic do an ivy, keep vitals blah blah blah, or

1242
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.360
<v Speaker 6>put on some burned medication or advantages. Uh, to me,

1243
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 6>that's a no brain But that's just my thoughts.

1244
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:55.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1245
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 7>Well, obviously, whether the patient gets out, where the victim

1246
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 7>gets out, or whatever it is, is when it will happen.

1247
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 7>But we're training the guys you didn't get them, and

1248
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 7>get them the hell out as quick as we kind

1249
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 7>of safely as we can kind of thing, and then

1250
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 7>treat them once we get them outside the building, right,

1251
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 7>I think, no, no, I.

1252
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Was saying that.

1253
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 9>I think if I had to pick, what we practiced

1254
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 9>the most, you know, when I was working was either

1255
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 9>searching or firefighter removal or a combination of both. There

1256
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 9>was always you know, you can never have enough of that,

1257
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.639
<v Speaker 9>no matter how much time you have on the job,

1258
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 9>you know, because you're not always going to fight as

1259
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.079
<v Speaker 9>you know, you could go months sometimes, you know, just

1260
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 9>you might be just bouncing through the jobs, you know

1261
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 9>what I mean.

1262
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 7>So I think there was a what do they say

1263
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 7>that you trained ninety percent of the time, you may

1264
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 7>have a chance of doing ten percent of your career.

1265
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 7>Forget what that math is is. I think that may

1266
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 7>be tied into search as well, if I get what

1267
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 7>those stats, so somebody else can remind.

1268
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Me I used to do the same thing.

1269
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 9>We used to go through the you know again, when

1270
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 9>I think about going through that home made day scenario

1271
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:58.559
<v Speaker 9>right where you worked, where you did you know all

1272
00:56:58.599 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 9>that shit, I get it, you know what I mean.

1273
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean, But.

1274
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 9>We listened, you know, Kevin can attested us. We listened

1275
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 9>to these things all the time, like all of the

1276
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 9>after action reports, and we listened to all of them,

1277
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.599
<v Speaker 9>and there was none of that. You had to move fast,

1278
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 9>like like Mike was saying, like most of the time

1279
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 9>it was it was nobody was getting going to get there,

1280
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 9>you know what I mean, Like if you didn't move

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00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:25.440
<v Speaker 9>a super super fast and I just got Mike no,

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<v Speaker 9>I was just going to interject.

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00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 8>Captain Smith of one thirty six sort of a perfect

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00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 8>example because it was a sixth story walk up.

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00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 6>I believe I had the roof.

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00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember that.

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00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 6>I think Glenn Harris got in the door closed.

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00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 8>It was a Collier's mansion, so he got in and

1289
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 8>he couldn't get out, and you know what, it didn't

1290
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 8>take long. He was already dead, basically. And I watched

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00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.199
<v Speaker 8>the day on the trun dole to the ambulance, and.

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00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I was that was in thee I remember that.

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00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm over the top of the parapet watching them bring

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00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 6>Wayne to the ambulance. But he was and they were

1295
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 6>working on it. But like to your point, though, it

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00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 6>doesn't take a long time for the shit hit the fan.

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00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:11.400
<v Speaker 8>Where Glenn was, I mean, listen, was anybody that's going

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00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.079
<v Speaker 8>to get him out with Glenn and a couple of

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00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 8>guys from one to thirty six with him. But otherwise,

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00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.400
<v Speaker 8>you know, that's the only chance he stood the getting

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00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:20.719
<v Speaker 8>out alive, and it didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 9>I just I've just always felt with those listening to

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00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Speaker 9>those and Kevin could again he could. I complained about

1304
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.639
<v Speaker 9>this a lot, and I always felt like, this is why,

1305
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:33.000
<v Speaker 9>you know, Mike, you were saying it. You know, it

1306
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 9>might be better to have a different company come.

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00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Get you, right. And I always used to tell the guys,

1308
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 1>we're family, it's the six of us. This is all

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00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:43.199
<v Speaker 1>we got.

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00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 7>No.

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<v Speaker 9>I watched a lot of videos where guys gave may

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00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.679
<v Speaker 9>days and everybody, you know, it gets that shock factor

1313
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.760
<v Speaker 9>and they're standing around right, they're not moving quick enough.

1314
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 9>And I used to tell them we used to follow that,

1315
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 9>and we used to study that, and Ice to say,

1316
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.320
<v Speaker 9>it's only if you're down. It's five guys coming fucking

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00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:03.320
<v Speaker 9>full bar right right. And what did you always hear?

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00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 9>And this was another pet peeve of mine, What did

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00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 9>you always fucking hear when somebody gave him may day

1320
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 9>and something was.

1321
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Going bad, everybody out of the building. That was like

1322
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 1>a change.

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00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was so common, and that I used to say,

1324
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.599
<v Speaker 9>that's what I want to hear when I'm when the

1325
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 9>room is lining up all around me, all I see

1326
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 9>is orange and I'm hiding behind the couch, and I

1327
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 9>don't want to hear everybody out of the building. I

1328
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.039
<v Speaker 9>want to hear everybody in the building. I want to

1329
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:37.039
<v Speaker 9>hear send the cavalry. I want to know that everybody's that's.

1330
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Am I going to be?

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00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 9>My thying thought is that the chiefs trying to get

1332
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.719
<v Speaker 9>a fucking count on the people in the in the

1333
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.480
<v Speaker 9>in the street, Like give me right there.

1334
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I know we're going back to it. Look

1335
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 7>at the percentages. That's you know what you're saying. But

1336
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 7>that's the reason why you don't Right now, we've learned.

1337
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 7>It took a long time, but this is what we've learned.

1338
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:58.039
<v Speaker 1>It used to drive me.

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00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.559
<v Speaker 9>I mean it was such a common thing over and

1340
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.480
<v Speaker 9>over and over again that I used to tell the guys,

1341
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 9>this is what you're going to expect, Like this is

1342
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.320
<v Speaker 9>going to be your worst time, and you have to

1343
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:10.920
<v Speaker 9>know that at least five guys are coming. There's going

1344
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.039
<v Speaker 9>to be more, but at least five guys are coming.

1345
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:14.920
<v Speaker 9>Balls to the wall. I don't care if I'm burning

1346
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:18.239
<v Speaker 9>my face, my head, I don't care. But that's how

1347
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 9>I felt, is that, you know, guys, would you know

1348
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 9>the chief's first reaction because I didn't think they were

1349
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:26.000
<v Speaker 9>practicing enough, like early on, like they weren't practicing enough to.

1350
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, they had the sheet. You know, where are you?

1351
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:31.320
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? What's going on? Like, dude, get

1352
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:34.119
<v Speaker 1>everybody into goddamn bill and where's the water? Get more water?

1353
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Get you know, whatever it is. You know, I don't know.

1354
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 7>Oh, you know what?

1355
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 6>You bring up a good point low. There is a

1356
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:46.559
<v Speaker 6>disconnect because I don't know enough chief offices in any

1357
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 6>job have the experience of a may day or a

1358
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.639
<v Speaker 6>collapse or something like that. And I don't wish that

1359
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:52.320
<v Speaker 6>on anybody.

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01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.519
<v Speaker 9>But you're doing that now. They're practicing. That's that's much

1361
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:57.159
<v Speaker 9>more happening now, and I think.

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01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:02.079
<v Speaker 8>That's important that they get to understand the fundamentals of

1363
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 8>what a rapid intervention team does so that when they

1364
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.239
<v Speaker 8>do approach the command center, he's got a better ideas,

1365
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 8>feel more comfortable knowing from watching them observing them doing training.

1366
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Speaker 6>Now I can count on these guys to go in

1367
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:20.159
<v Speaker 6>and get firefighter x Y z uh so.

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01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 8>I think it's important that from the chiefs down that

1369
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.280
<v Speaker 8>they're all involved with these trainings. Uh so that when

1370
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.960
<v Speaker 8>an unknown company comes up as a root team, he

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01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.760
<v Speaker 8>can put them the work feeling confident enough they can

1372
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:34.400
<v Speaker 8>do their job.

1373
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:36.679
<v Speaker 6>Uh huh.

1374
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:38.519
<v Speaker 7>I want to make sure we got a little bit

1375
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:40.519
<v Speaker 7>of a who is the guy again?

1376
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Forgot? Forgive me, I can't remember.

1377
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 9>Okay, the boss in the engine up in uh I

1378
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.440
<v Speaker 9>think it was in Harlem that UH got. You know,

1379
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 9>they were running out of air and he got me again.

1380
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 9>He lost the line ended up behind the bar in

1381
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 9>uh in one of those and they had they had

1382
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.400
<v Speaker 9>the video outside and that's what you saw, like you

1383
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.800
<v Speaker 9>saw like it was a may day. Initially was chugging

1384
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:10.199
<v Speaker 9>out of the building whatever out of the door, and

1385
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.239
<v Speaker 9>for like a split second, couple seconds, you saw people

1386
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 9>like you know, like it took a while for everybody

1387
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 9>to like figure out what was going on, like the

1388
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 9>you know, because listen, somebody gives a may day, something's

1389
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.360
<v Speaker 9>going bad. You know, you got to almost like check

1390
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:26.360
<v Speaker 9>yourself first, right or something, and then you know, then

1391
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.800
<v Speaker 9>you started seeing some people like heading into.

1392
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, into that I forget, I forget who it

1393
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:33.280
<v Speaker 1>was Davidson. It was Davidson. Thank you, Joe.

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01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:36.880
<v Speaker 5>So my pet Peeve roof is when they when they

1395
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 5>do give the may Day is number one fifteen thousand

1396
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.159
<v Speaker 5>pass alongs going off. Dude, check your pass along. We're

1397
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:46.800
<v Speaker 5>really looking for one. And the other one is stay

1398
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:49.119
<v Speaker 5>the fuck off the radio. If you don't have something

1399
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.719
<v Speaker 5>to say that's urgent or to do with the may Day,

1400
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:54.679
<v Speaker 5>stay off the radio. I don't want to hear it.

1401
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.000
<v Speaker 9>I give it Jack saying what you're saying, Coops. Early

1402
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 9>on we didn't have the the alert button right to

1403
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.000
<v Speaker 9>give you extra water. So I mean that definitely helped

1404
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:05.920
<v Speaker 9>that situation.

1405
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I think Patty Lee had said something earlier about the radios.

1406
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.800
<v Speaker 9>You know, we'd cut off the may Day constantly be

1407
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:13.679
<v Speaker 9>trying to Can you imagine he's trying to tell you

1408
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 9>his dying, fucking last words, and you know they got

1409
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.000
<v Speaker 9>some guys because he's not paying attention, you know what

1410
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:21.320
<v Speaker 9>I mean.

1411
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:21.639
<v Speaker 1>It was.

1412
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.000
<v Speaker 7>It was countless times.

1413
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.639
<v Speaker 6>You can hear it like that, you know, like absolutely absolutely.

1414
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.920
<v Speaker 1>That definitely helped. That definitely helped that that alarm, no doubt,

1415
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that was a good I.

1416
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.480
<v Speaker 5>Mean, you ever listened to any every fire and listened to.

1417
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:36.880
<v Speaker 5>Now there's ten pants alarms going on.

1418
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.719
<v Speaker 1>That's going, that'll be going forever. That's never going to stop.

1419
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 6>Now, that's that's that's here to stay unfortunately.

1420
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's right.

1421
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:45.400
<v Speaker 7>You actually bring up another point for the guys that

1422
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 7>are listening out there. The big orange button on the radio,

1423
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.639
<v Speaker 7>the a button. Remember what that does? Do training on

1424
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 7>it because if you find yourself in a media situation

1425
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 7>and you can actually push.

1426
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.679
<v Speaker 1>That button, practice with your glove or whatever.

1427
01:03:57.880 --> 01:03:59.719
<v Speaker 7>Your glove on the ones on my radio. Now the

1428
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:01.159
<v Speaker 7>freaking buttons like this is it.

1429
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.800
<v Speaker 9>I remember that butt was so small you couldn't even

1430
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 9>get it with your finger when your finger you couldn't

1431
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:07.239
<v Speaker 9>get if you took a glove off.

1432
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:09.480
<v Speaker 7>We just even that might even have it on the

1433
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:10.800
<v Speaker 7>shoulder mic too. They have a little ball.

1434
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

1435
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.400
<v Speaker 8>I will say this with the may Days, if you're

1436
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.960
<v Speaker 8>with somebody like I was with Tom Williams, I backed

1437
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.239
<v Speaker 8>up his may Day because you don't know, like Kevin

1438
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 8>was saying, there's so much radio chatter that the first

1439
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 8>May Day may not.

1440
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 6>Have been heard.

1441
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.800
<v Speaker 8>So hopefully the second, even a third time you give

1442
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 8>the may date, someone will pick it up and say, hey,

1443
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:36.199
<v Speaker 8>we got a problem.

1444
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:36.519
<v Speaker 6>Chief.

1445
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.039
<v Speaker 7>I think there's twenty one percent of the times, that's

1446
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:41.960
<v Speaker 7>twenty I think it's twenty one percent of the times

1447
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.360
<v Speaker 7>that maydia's are not heard on the first first call.

1448
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:48.679
<v Speaker 8>Really, so our listeners out there, give the may day once,

1449
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 8>give it many times as you.

1450
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:50.880
<v Speaker 6>Have to do.

1451
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.920
<v Speaker 5>You feel you got a they said may days, and

1452
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.119
<v Speaker 5>not a may day until it's recognized.

1453
01:04:56.199 --> 01:05:01.159
<v Speaker 7>Right exactly exactly how many of those videos, sorry, those

1454
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.039
<v Speaker 7>audios that we listened to where you've heard the mayday,

1455
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:05.719
<v Speaker 7>you're listening to it because we're waiting for it. I

1456
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:07.719
<v Speaker 7>think that's a little help. But you could hear they

1457
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.239
<v Speaker 7>called for it and it skipped dispatcher, somebody picks up

1458
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:11.360
<v Speaker 7>on it's like, hey, you got a may Day?

1459
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 1>That happened to me when I think we had.

1460
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 9>Pete Maslinsky was on the podcast and I was working

1461
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:21.840
<v Speaker 9>at two seventy and we were out on an EMS

1462
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:25.039
<v Speaker 9>run and we just were taking up in a box.

1463
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Came in and we were pretty close.

1464
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.960
<v Speaker 9>I think one fifty five ended up giving them may

1465
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.599
<v Speaker 9>day prior, I think if if I remember right, and uh,

1466
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 9>we were just pulling up like we got we got

1467
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:37.679
<v Speaker 9>a good jump on it. And we were just pulling

1468
01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:39.800
<v Speaker 9>up and the fire was coming out the front door,

1469
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:42.760
<v Speaker 9>out the window everything or something like I forget.

1470
01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:43.639
<v Speaker 5>Uh, And.

1471
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.719
<v Speaker 9>As we were pulling up, just as we were pulling up,

1472
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 9>he said, I heard somebody say mayday, may day, something

1473
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:51.239
<v Speaker 9>like that.

1474
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.000
<v Speaker 1>And I went to peep and we were like, you

1475
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 1>just give it may day and the cheap we were like.

1476
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:59.039
<v Speaker 9>We pulled right up to the like where the command

1477
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 9>post was like right on the sidewalk, and I got

1478
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:02.760
<v Speaker 9>out and I'm like, Chief, did you know did you

1479
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 9>hear that?

1480
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Did you hear that may day?

1481
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:06.599
<v Speaker 9>You know? Like and he's like, no, I didn't hear

1482
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 9>the may date. And then he's like hold on, you know,

1483
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 9>or you know, everybody stand by. You know, we go

1484
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:11.920
<v Speaker 9>with there, you know, we go with the may day.

1485
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:13.719
<v Speaker 9>And then the guy said something and then we you know,

1486
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.199
<v Speaker 9>I think we tried to put the staying in the

1487
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 9>window and all this other ship and then the guy

1488
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:21.639
<v Speaker 9>ended up self. Uh yeah, he was behind the couch

1489
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:22.519
<v Speaker 9>and all that ship.

1490
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:26.599
<v Speaker 8>That's why earlier we were talking and I said, they

1491
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 8>should be a dedicated radio guy on the RIT team.

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01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:31.840
<v Speaker 6>Do to your point, he just looking listening for a

1493
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 6>may Day. That's it or something that says I'm w

1494
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:36.519
<v Speaker 6>F my way out.

1495
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that the all visions, the divisions now

1496
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 5>have the RAID and they have they had the AID

1497
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 5>and they have another guy in the car listening to

1498
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:45.920
<v Speaker 5>the radio, so.

1499
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 6>You can always the more the better.

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01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they call him backup AID.

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01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will say this.

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01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.239
<v Speaker 6>I just want to backtrack on training when it comes

1503
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.199
<v Speaker 6>to the volunteers.

1504
01:06:58.480 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

1505
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:02.320
<v Speaker 6>Part of the problem with a RIT team with the

1506
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.880
<v Speaker 6>volunteers and not all of them. So I'm not I'm

1507
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:07.039
<v Speaker 6>not here to put a black mark on any of

1508
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 6>the volunteers, but from my background, Uh, the problem becomes

1509
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 6>when there's a RIT team, it's just guys get on

1510
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:15.760
<v Speaker 6>the rig and they go there and they're the WRIT team,

1511
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.320
<v Speaker 6>no training, no clue, never practiced it.

1512
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Uh, they give a shit because.

1513
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.719
<v Speaker 6>The rig may not even know the guys because they're

1514
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:27.880
<v Speaker 6>from another substation.

1515
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.000
<v Speaker 8>So I hope tonight that all the volunteers listening, I

1516
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 8>hope there's a lot of them that you make it

1517
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:38.320
<v Speaker 8>clear that you need to have real training and when

1518
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 8>let's say Sai Acid Fight Department calls for a RIT team,

1519
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:47.400
<v Speaker 8>that SIASID chief can be pretty assured that the RIT

1520
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:51.280
<v Speaker 8>team coming from another department, is we qualified individual? Otherwise

1521
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.400
<v Speaker 8>it's useless. It doesn't serve a purpose. They don't know

1522
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 8>what ge you to bring, what tools, what are the tactics,

1523
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.599
<v Speaker 8>what are they looking for? And you know what, as

1524
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 8>I said earlier, when you're using a rit team, they're

1525
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.119
<v Speaker 8>going into a lot more serious ship than that started

1526
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:08.679
<v Speaker 8>that fire.

1527
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 6>They're going into the heat, the fire, the smoke, the debris. Uh,

1528
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:15.760
<v Speaker 6>and the fact that they're hearing the may day.

1529
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:20.199
<v Speaker 8>So they got to be physically prepared, train well and

1530
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:21.560
<v Speaker 8>psychologically ready to.

1531
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.760
<v Speaker 5>Go, right, Mike, when you when you got to the rescues,

1532
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:29.000
<v Speaker 5>they were they didn't have the fast teams yet, that's

1533
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 5>what I'm saying. I mean, the rescues were created to

1534
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 5>rescue fire. Yes, So did you feel like you guys

1535
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.279
<v Speaker 5>were called to do that more before the first tuck

1536
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 5>came or.

1537
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't know. I'm not going to go into

1538
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 6>such details. But there was one involving a lieutenant from

1539
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 6>a Queen's company out in the Eastern Queens. Okay, we

1540
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.520
<v Speaker 6>were called and the battalion chiefers in the street. He

1541
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:55.560
<v Speaker 6>couldn't we couldn't get there fast enough.

1542
01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:56.680
<v Speaker 9>Uh.

1543
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:02.640
<v Speaker 8>A lieutenant was somewhere in that split level beautiful home.

1544
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:07.039
<v Speaker 8>We came around back, got in there. I followed the

1545
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:09.640
<v Speaker 8>line in with Lieutenant Williams and a few others. Ralph Williams,

1546
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 8>I take Paul Jaeger and I was ordered to hold

1547
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.119
<v Speaker 8>the grab the line because the fire was roaring, and

1548
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:22.399
<v Speaker 8>they got him out. But because politics get involved, guess

1549
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:25.119
<v Speaker 8>what you get a unit siddation. I don't want to

1550
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 8>give my local guys, you know a's and b's and

1551
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.199
<v Speaker 8>I'm not knocking it. It didn't bother me, but it

1552
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.000
<v Speaker 8>bothered me in the fact that, hey, let's be honest

1553
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:35.479
<v Speaker 8>with each other.

1554
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.760
<v Speaker 6>You made a mistake, We bailed you out. Why are

1555
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 6>you taking it out on us?

1556
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.359
<v Speaker 8>So that was my only sour Tommy I've had with

1557
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:48.840
<v Speaker 8>you know, a may day or something went the way

1558
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:50.279
<v Speaker 8>it shouldn't right, you know.

1559
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.119
<v Speaker 5>So that's another thing that gets neglected sometimes. Might I

1560
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.199
<v Speaker 5>wanted to bring that up before. When somebody does give

1561
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.520
<v Speaker 5>a may Day, the focus goes to the may day

1562
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 5>and sometimes they leave the linebody's got a I mean,

1563
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:02.520
<v Speaker 5>somebody's got a man that line you had to put

1564
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:03.079
<v Speaker 5>the fire.

1565
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:05.319
<v Speaker 7>On, you know, he took my thunbder Kevin because they

1566
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.439
<v Speaker 7>don't forget to talk about as we're going to rescue somebody,

1567
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:09.720
<v Speaker 7>somebody still does putting the fire out. Yeah, you have

1568
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 7>to worry about it opening up. Now you can create him.

1569
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.399
<v Speaker 7>All the flow passed. You know how many things your

1570
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:14.680
<v Speaker 7>actions could.

1571
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.720
<v Speaker 5>A lot of times they forget thee and then they

1572
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 5>don't put the fire out right. I mean, I think

1573
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:24.279
<v Speaker 5>that happened with the guy down in Foul. Then that

1574
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.960
<v Speaker 5>happened with him in that small house. I mean Howard Beach,

1575
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Howard Beach, I think what's his name from two seventy.

1576
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Eventually he went down Jimmy Arrow.

1577
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.680
<v Speaker 5>He was I think he went down to take the

1578
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:37.399
<v Speaker 5>line though, because they just everybody focused on.

1579
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.039
<v Speaker 1>He was actually like didn't have a heart beat, that.

1580
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.159
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't available for over time, wasn't.

1581
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Available, and came back alive and was available.

1582
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:48.560
<v Speaker 6>And that was.

1583
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Loud voice. I'm sorry.

1584
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:02.720
<v Speaker 8>To movies point earlier. Everybody out of the building. Two

1585
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:08.359
<v Speaker 8>guys leaving their positions. That creates another the problem. Everybody

1586
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:13.199
<v Speaker 8>can't run to get Louis Rufano out of a jam. Otherwise,

1587
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:15.800
<v Speaker 8>no one's got the lawn on the exposure, no one's

1588
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:17.119
<v Speaker 8>opening the roof.

1589
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:20.960
<v Speaker 6>Blah, blah blah. So there's got to be someone in

1590
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 6>charge that time out. You stay where you are, and

1591
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:28.000
<v Speaker 6>you picked as a commander what teams you want to

1592
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.760
<v Speaker 6>go after Louis and that he's got to be ye.

1593
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:32.840
<v Speaker 7>That is a commander has to be on point and

1594
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.239
<v Speaker 7>be strong and and really, like I said, you still

1595
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:38.520
<v Speaker 7>have those other tasks that have to be done otherwise

1596
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:40.560
<v Speaker 7>we're gonna have more of a problem, just gonna escalate

1597
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 7>the entire thing. I just wanted to recap. It was

1598
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:44.920
<v Speaker 7>thirty six percent of may days are not or missed

1599
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 7>on the first attempt.

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01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 6>Right, Wow, that's a.

1601
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Lot big number. Yeah. So again again, when when you

1602
01:11:54.199 --> 01:12:00.079
<v Speaker 1>get jammed up, you know you might be you know, know,

1603
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 1>like it's not gonna be yeah, you know.

1604
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.199
<v Speaker 6>I mean I'll tell you one thing. I got ship

1605
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:10.439
<v Speaker 6>stains in my underway. I'll tell you what. Yeah, without

1606
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:11.279
<v Speaker 6>a doubt. Oh.

1607
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.239
<v Speaker 8>One of the things that I think that all guys

1608
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:18.560
<v Speaker 8>should have on them person when they is a self

1609
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 8>rescue robe.

1610
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.079
<v Speaker 6>Whether they use it to walk off.

1611
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.720
<v Speaker 8>The line to search or they got to bail out,

1612
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.479
<v Speaker 8>they got to have their own personal safety robe in

1613
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.359
<v Speaker 8>case they get jammed up, which can happen.

1614
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.880
<v Speaker 7>That's a little bit of all our guys carry some webbing,

1615
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:38.479
<v Speaker 7>but we have twenty five foot of webbing that our

1616
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:39.079
<v Speaker 7>guys carry.

1617
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.239
<v Speaker 5>But we uh, we were all want story houses you

1618
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:44.239
<v Speaker 5>got to worry about.

1619
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.159
<v Speaker 1>We call those sheds.

1620
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:53.439
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, ship, but that's that was a that's a tough

1621
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:55.920
<v Speaker 7>topic for my department because I I'm one of a

1622
01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.760
<v Speaker 7>few members that have a full escape system. Uh where

1623
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:02.079
<v Speaker 7>I feel it's not necessarily. My argument was like, you

1624
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:03.600
<v Speaker 7>want to jump out of a two story window be

1625
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:04.119
<v Speaker 7>my guests, but you.

1626
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:06.239
<v Speaker 8>Know, yeah, yeah I did and my lieutenant died, So

1627
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:08.319
<v Speaker 8>I mean I can answer that I really quick.

1628
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.600
<v Speaker 7>For us, it's not a it's a it's a mindset

1629
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:15.800
<v Speaker 7>thing or a culture thing. I'm any guys. Guys don't

1630
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:17.840
<v Speaker 7>want to people. We don't do that kind of thing.

1631
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 7>We don't you know, we're not in the high rise.

1632
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 6>It's high rise, but you know what, you don't know

1633
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 6>where you're going to end up. Okay, you could be

1634
01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:26.119
<v Speaker 6>in it.

1635
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.880
<v Speaker 8>Listen, you're building your neighborhood's building. Hot stories get higher

1636
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 8>the floors. I mean, eventually you're gonna have high rises

1637
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:33.439
<v Speaker 8>if you don't.

1638
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:33.800
<v Speaker 6>Have them already.

1639
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 7>We have to not like you guys, but we have some.

1640
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:37.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you know what, you want to be prepared

1641
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.479
<v Speaker 6>for that once in a wild thing. Yeah, I want

1642
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:41.119
<v Speaker 6>to be prepared.

1643
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:45.520
<v Speaker 8>So having a personal rope for my own safe bailout

1644
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:48.479
<v Speaker 8>or to branch out over a line to search a

1645
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.760
<v Speaker 8>white commercial area, you're damn straight. I want to have

1646
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:54.000
<v Speaker 8>a biblical okay, because if you don't, you know, you're.

1647
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:54.439
<v Speaker 6>Being a fool.

1648
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.760
<v Speaker 7>You don't have We just don't have a safety system.

1649
01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.760
<v Speaker 7>I mean, our guys wear the belts, but they don't

1650
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.479
<v Speaker 7>carry the rope other than the personal little rope that

1651
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.159
<v Speaker 7>they have for themselves. Some guys actually do. I don't

1652
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:04.680
<v Speaker 7>want to take that away from them. Some guys do

1653
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 7>carry their own in addition to the webbing stuff that

1654
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:08.600
<v Speaker 7>we give them an issue them.

1655
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.720
<v Speaker 6>You know what, I didn't like carrying the roof rope,

1656
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.960
<v Speaker 6>but I carried it. Yeah, all right, I didn't like it.

1657
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:18.520
<v Speaker 9>I don't like carrying the fucking uh welight.

1658
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Remember, no, you remember that? That's why you became what

1659
01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:27.399
<v Speaker 1>I know? No, because I used to carry before the

1660
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:28.039
<v Speaker 1>rabbit tool.

1661
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 5>It was that.

1662
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 9>You remember that fucking tool that you used to have

1663
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:32.960
<v Speaker 9>to carry that bigimity Yeah, yes.

1664
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.079
<v Speaker 5>That was the rabbit tool. The other one the buddy

1665
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 5>to the little one.

1666
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Little and the big thing was like, yeah, likes with

1667
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that fucking thing like that big.

1668
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 6>I mean it was that.

1669
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:47.199
<v Speaker 5>It was huge.

1670
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:48.119
<v Speaker 1>It was huge.

1671
01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 6>It was a black vinyl case.

1672
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was not a case.

1673
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.600
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, but you know what, the chief that mindset, if

1674
01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.720
<v Speaker 8>that's correct, what you're telling me how to change.

1675
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:00.319
<v Speaker 6>Well, we do care.

1676
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:02.359
<v Speaker 7>Everybody has search rope and that's part of it that

1677
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.399
<v Speaker 7>they go in with it, just that don't on their person.

1678
01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:09.359
<v Speaker 7>Some some people don't like the uh it does make

1679
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:13.159
<v Speaker 7>things a little bulfy. You know. Well, I don't want

1680
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.000
<v Speaker 7>to I don't want to speak to so I don't

1681
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 7>want to come across the wrong way.

1682
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 6>No, that's okay. If I was the chief down there,

1683
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:26.199
<v Speaker 6>who are you? I'm the chief. You're not the only

1684
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:26.680
<v Speaker 6>ones those are.

1685
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:28.680
<v Speaker 7>The pomper said, you know some people an f B.

1686
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:30.479
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't carrying the ropes for.

1687
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:37.359
<v Speaker 12>I always had my own bro I always had a

1688
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:41.239
<v Speaker 12>webbing and I had three millimeter rope that I could

1689
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.520
<v Speaker 12>wrap around the hook figure eight and and jump out

1690
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 12>the window.

1691
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.119
<v Speaker 8>You know what, let me tell you something. It doesn't

1692
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 8>take a high matter at height to break your neck. Okay,

1693
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:54.359
<v Speaker 8>you could go out of a one story window and

1694
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:55.720
<v Speaker 8>write below you with full.

1695
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Off of crownding an inch of water.

1696
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.479
<v Speaker 6>I mean, come on, yes exactly. So I got to

1697
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 6>say something.

1698
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:06.239
<v Speaker 8>I'm an old guy. I was a little hesitant to

1699
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 8>do the new stuff. But over my years, especially with

1700
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.319
<v Speaker 8>the line of duty may days, I've been through. You

1701
01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:15.000
<v Speaker 8>know what, you can't have enough equipment. I'm sorry, okay,

1702
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.479
<v Speaker 8>and you know what if you die because you don't

1703
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.079
<v Speaker 8>have the right equipment, shame on you.

1704
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:20.880
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry.

1705
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.039
<v Speaker 9>I tell your chauffeur in the engine says to you,

1706
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.199
<v Speaker 9>and you say the guy, well, this is my bail

1707
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:28.479
<v Speaker 9>out rope, and he goes like this, Oh that's good.

1708
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:33.720
<v Speaker 1>What are you going to bail out on us? I

1709
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:35.279
<v Speaker 1>was like this all right?

1710
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:39.239
<v Speaker 7>So your point was as well as gonna mention what

1711
01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:42.800
<v Speaker 7>Patty Lee's mentioned it, that's how you land if you

1712
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 7>want to land on you on that little tick tack

1713
01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 7>on your back.

1714
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:47.119
<v Speaker 1>You mean, that's not you ain't going to be swinging

1715
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:48.159
<v Speaker 1>the golf club, that's for sure.

1716
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.359
<v Speaker 6>You know what a chief when I and I don't

1717
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:52.359
<v Speaker 6>mean to be morbid.

1718
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.600
<v Speaker 8>When I had the Tom Williams incident, we both came

1719
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.119
<v Speaker 8>out of the same window I did a little different

1720
01:16:58.199 --> 01:16:58.960
<v Speaker 8>landing than he did.

1721
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.359
<v Speaker 6>He died. I I survive, but I gotta tell you something.

1722
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:06.560
<v Speaker 6>It's still a personal matter, and I gotta tell you something.

1723
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:10.199
<v Speaker 6>If you're gonna die, you're gonna die.

1724
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:12.359
<v Speaker 8>I believe in faton time you could be in the

1725
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:14.319
<v Speaker 8>right place at the right time, the wrong place at

1726
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:14.880
<v Speaker 8>the right time.

1727
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.439
<v Speaker 6>Fate plays into it.

1728
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:20.439
<v Speaker 8>As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have as much

1729
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:23.079
<v Speaker 8>equipment as possible, even if I don't use it. Like

1730
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.039
<v Speaker 8>I said earlier to Kevin, I didn't like bringing the

1731
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:27.039
<v Speaker 8>roof rope to the roof, but there was a waste

1732
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:30.920
<v Speaker 8>of time. I was used to doing coremento ropes and repelling,

1733
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 8>which I learned from ROCO and a few other organizations

1734
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:35.319
<v Speaker 8>for Superior system.

1735
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:37.399
<v Speaker 6>But that's what we use, and I brought it. I

1736
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 6>was well versed in it, and if I had to

1737
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 6>use it, I would, okay.

1738
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:44.960
<v Speaker 8>And so you know, I maybe from the old school

1739
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 8>in a lot of ways, but I was always willing

1740
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 8>to learn and playing it forward. Guys on the job,

1741
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.880
<v Speaker 8>in any job, have to realize, not only do you train,

1742
01:17:57.119 --> 01:17:58.880
<v Speaker 8>you've got to be vocal with your union.

1743
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:00.319
<v Speaker 6>You know, if you don't have a union, just be

1744
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.159
<v Speaker 6>vocal with the fight. Chiefs say, listen, we need personal

1745
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:06.039
<v Speaker 6>ropes that we have up to a belt.

1746
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.439
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that what he's doing, Chief de Bonano, that's what

1747
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:09.800
<v Speaker 1>his foundation, and he's doing a.

1748
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.359
<v Speaker 8>Great job with that, Louis, because there's a lot of

1749
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:18.079
<v Speaker 8>departments that to your point, not every department just has

1750
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.600
<v Speaker 8>one story buildings. Okay, even if you go into a

1751
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:25.159
<v Speaker 8>basement when you'd like to have a rope looked up

1752
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 8>to the top of the stairs to the bottom so

1753
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:30.920
<v Speaker 8>in case something goes wrong, maybe you can get out

1754
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.920
<v Speaker 8>in a hurry, in a real hurry.

1755
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:34.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1756
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:38.319
<v Speaker 8>I gotta tell you that bothers me cheap that I

1757
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:41.600
<v Speaker 8>love the young guys, but it's some season guys.

1758
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:44.680
<v Speaker 7>It's just, uh, we actually we did have them. We

1759
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.039
<v Speaker 7>outfitted the entire department with him or I still have

1760
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.159
<v Speaker 7>them on the shelf. And you know that maybe some

1761
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:52.319
<v Speaker 7>days something will change where we can we can do that.

1762
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 7>But it's uh, I was met with some resistance. We'll

1763
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:55.560
<v Speaker 7>just say that.

1764
01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.960
<v Speaker 8>And I understand that the the the issue may be unfortunate.

1765
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.760
<v Speaker 8>Someday you're gonna have a line of duty death that

1766
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:05.119
<v Speaker 8>maybe could have been avoided.

1767
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:05.840
<v Speaker 1>If I'm knocking on.

1768
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 6>So that's that's when it's gonna change.

1769
01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Idiot.

1770
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:14.279
<v Speaker 5>I liked having a lot of Italians. I let them

1771
01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:15.640
<v Speaker 5>go first. They were expendable.

1772
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.479
<v Speaker 7>Uh, David Taddy.

1773
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm surprised Patty Lee didn't say send the juice. But

1774
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:28.000
<v Speaker 6>we're all used domins.

1775
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I get.

1776
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.319
<v Speaker 5>There's a said Milner down first, get down the stairs first.

1777
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:36.720
<v Speaker 6>Don't tell you you know it's it's and I don't

1778
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:37.520
<v Speaker 6>mean to get up the toime.

1779
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:38.720
<v Speaker 9>I like that.

1780
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:42.079
<v Speaker 8>Fuck with you, guys, I gotta tell you not that

1781
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.680
<v Speaker 8>I felt that way, but I was one hundred and

1782
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:49.079
<v Speaker 8>fifty pounds five to ten, so I was always the

1783
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.760
<v Speaker 8>dope on the rope or the guy that went between

1784
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.439
<v Speaker 8>buildings to rescue.

1785
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:54.560
<v Speaker 7>A cat or this or that.

1786
01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:57.359
<v Speaker 6>And then you know, once in a while I did think,

1787
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:58.640
<v Speaker 6>you know what's going on here?

1788
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.800
<v Speaker 7>The only you're spendabok?

1789
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 6>The only Jew?

1790
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Where's Milner?

1791
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:09.039
<v Speaker 5>The only Jew? Call up the Jew?

1792
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:10.920
<v Speaker 6>Call me Murray?

1793
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.079
<v Speaker 5>So I get it, Murray, get up here.

1794
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.840
<v Speaker 6>But the boat back to Fayeton time.

1795
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.319
<v Speaker 8>I was talking to Chief Lea uh recently and he

1796
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:25.079
<v Speaker 8>has that book with gold Feeder, the thirty five fires

1797
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:27.600
<v Speaker 8>you don't know, And I told him something he didn't know.

1798
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:30.279
<v Speaker 6>And that's why I believe in fate and time.

1799
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:34.119
<v Speaker 8>Uh, Rescue four was already at the toll Plaza going

1800
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 8>to the Bronx for a special call because Rescue three

1801
01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:41.920
<v Speaker 8>was already operating somewhere. So that put us closer to

1802
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.920
<v Speaker 8>the story of fire. So in my mind, guess what,

1803
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.439
<v Speaker 8>maybe those three guys would be alive today if we

1804
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 8>started out from what quarters, it would have been a

1805
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:56.279
<v Speaker 8>lot longer. So, uh, you know, I, like I said,

1806
01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:57.000
<v Speaker 8>the chief.

1807
01:20:58.479 --> 01:20:58.880
<v Speaker 7>You don't know.

1808
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:02.640
<v Speaker 8>I mean that's why I, like I said, training, the

1809
01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 8>right equipment, the right attitude.

1810
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:08.279
<v Speaker 7>We have all that guys are doing phenomenal. So I

1811
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.000
<v Speaker 7>will not I won't speak, you know, of the guys.

1812
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:13.960
<v Speaker 7>It's a little discouraging that. You know, it was something

1813
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:16.079
<v Speaker 7>that we fought hard for and then then when we

1814
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:17.880
<v Speaker 7>actually had it to to implement that, there was a

1815
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.720
<v Speaker 7>lot of resistance that people didn't want to want to

1816
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:22.560
<v Speaker 7>do it. I mean, they're unfortunately. Some people were like, oh,

1817
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 7>this is not fdoy And my concept was just that

1818
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:26.920
<v Speaker 7>it could be a two story building. I don't want

1819
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:28.199
<v Speaker 7>to jump out of a two story building. If I

1820
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:30.520
<v Speaker 7>had something that could control my descent, you know.

1821
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:32.840
<v Speaker 6>It has nothing to do with FDNY.

1822
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:36.159
<v Speaker 8>There was a kid upstate was at some kind of

1823
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:38.039
<v Speaker 8>Jewish nursing home volunteer.

1824
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:41.520
<v Speaker 6>It was a lieutenant. Great kid. Apparently he died line

1825
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:43.880
<v Speaker 6>of duty given him may day. I mean, he could

1826
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:48.319
<v Speaker 6>happen anywhere. It doesn't matter how big or small or

1827
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:48.840
<v Speaker 6>how tough.

1828
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 7>It does happen everywhere.

1829
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.079
<v Speaker 6>It happened everywhere, and you know that.

1830
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:55.359
<v Speaker 8>That's why when there's an argument, well, we don't need

1831
01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:56.800
<v Speaker 8>to do it in New York's a way. I'm not

1832
01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 8>saying do it New York's.

1833
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:02.920
<v Speaker 6>A way, okay, but after hundreds of guys dying line

1834
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:04.439
<v Speaker 6>to do it, guess what, he smartened up.

1835
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, that's that's always my other argument. That's my other

1836
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 7>argument too. The history that you guys have, you've you've

1837
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:15.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, stayed the road if you will, or created

1838
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 7>the road in some areas for for learning it and

1839
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.600
<v Speaker 7>developing these skills. So by for one hundred and twenty

1840
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:22.520
<v Speaker 7>five plus years of experience, that's that's a lot to

1841
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:24.640
<v Speaker 7>learn from and chief, you know what, the.

1842
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.319
<v Speaker 6>The real issue becomes out why I believe in written

1843
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.239
<v Speaker 6>and all that training and stuff is guess what.

1844
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:37.880
<v Speaker 8>There's the side effects of what happens after a line

1845
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:38.760
<v Speaker 8>of duty happens.

1846
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:44.159
<v Speaker 6>Okay, there is a survivor's guilt. The family that you

1847
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 6>were close to doesn't want to talk to you anymore

1848
01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.880
<v Speaker 6>because you're alive. And how come my husband died he

1849
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:51.680
<v Speaker 6>was with you. You're alive and he's dead.

1850
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:56.760
<v Speaker 8>Star of getting invited into weddings taking in one of

1851
01:22:56.840 --> 01:23:00.840
<v Speaker 8>my situations, took me over twenty five years to make

1852
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:01.840
<v Speaker 8>amends with a widow.

1853
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.640
<v Speaker 6>Okay, so let that sink into some of your members

1854
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:09.079
<v Speaker 6>and everyone watching. You know what, It's not just a

1855
01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:09.560
<v Speaker 6>may day in.

1856
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:11.319
<v Speaker 8>A line of duty and you go back in the

1857
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:14.640
<v Speaker 8>empty plate at the kitchen table. There's a lot of

1858
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:19.680
<v Speaker 8>moving parts, the family, the politics. How do you get

1859
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 8>the company back together again? Okay, there's a lot going on.

1860
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 8>So when someone tells me, I don't need to be

1861
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:27.359
<v Speaker 8>like New York, I don't have to be like that.

1862
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:29.479
<v Speaker 8>I don't need training, I don't need equipment.

1863
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.840
<v Speaker 6>You know what, when it happens to you, boy, it's

1864
01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.399
<v Speaker 6>not a happy site. Okay, and it lasts forever.

1865
01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:40.800
<v Speaker 8>I still deal with the issues, Okay, I fluff it

1866
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.760
<v Speaker 8>all and I like to have fun like tonight because

1867
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.159
<v Speaker 8>that's how I deal with it and Kevin deals with

1868
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:46.760
<v Speaker 8>it differently.

1869
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:49.600
<v Speaker 6>We all deal with it differently. But man, I don't

1870
01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:51.520
<v Speaker 6>want anybody to have to deal with a line of duty.

1871
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:52.439
<v Speaker 6>It's not worth it.

1872
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:57.520
<v Speaker 8>Okay, So train, get the equipment, tell your union be

1873
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:00.680
<v Speaker 8>a volume, and train your heart out because was when

1874
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.399
<v Speaker 8>it does happen, at least you can say, you know what,

1875
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:05.760
<v Speaker 8>we gave our role because we had everything we needed

1876
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:08.960
<v Speaker 8>to get someone out of that situation. It didn't work out,

1877
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.560
<v Speaker 8>but we did our best instead of saying what if.

1878
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:13.439
<v Speaker 6>We could have? You don't want to do that?

1879
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:14.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree.

1880
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:17.800
<v Speaker 5>Let's come down and talk to those guys. We'll straighten the.

1881
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:23.680
<v Speaker 7>Speak to all right, you have my little knuckle sandwich,

1882
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.960
<v Speaker 7>a little sandwich? What what have you?

1883
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:27.680
<v Speaker 5>Is what I'll give you?

1884
01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:28.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

1885
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:32.319
<v Speaker 1>So but anyway, mister Milner, what's that? Is there anything

1886
01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:34.199
<v Speaker 1>else we had to touch on that? That was pretty good?

1887
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 7>No?

1888
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:40.520
<v Speaker 6>You know what? Oh boy it? How should put it?

1889
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.399
<v Speaker 8>And I'm not bragging, but when you have a black

1890
01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:44.920
<v Speaker 8>cloud over your head, you have a choice.

1891
01:24:46.119 --> 01:24:49.199
<v Speaker 6>You either live with it and make it work for you.

1892
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:54.199
<v Speaker 8>Here we're going to the rock in the next month

1893
01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:58.039
<v Speaker 8>to talk, uh, because someone's got to play it forward.

1894
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.039
<v Speaker 6>Okay. And if if they and tie in with me

1895
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.840
<v Speaker 6>and realize what I can go through and survive, you

1896
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.439
<v Speaker 6>can do it also. And that's half the battle.

1897
01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:11.439
<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's very easy to cave. Kevin knows it's

1898
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:14.239
<v Speaker 8>easy to cave. But you don't want a cave. You

1899
01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:16.560
<v Speaker 8>got kids, you got a wife, you got family.

1900
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:18.359
<v Speaker 6>Just you want to a list.

1901
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:20.279
<v Speaker 8>I want to be the four million dollar a lot

1902
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.319
<v Speaker 8>of blue collar winner with my pension, although I want

1903
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:27.359
<v Speaker 8>to die for okay, So I do take it seriously.

1904
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:29.960
<v Speaker 6>And there's always light at the end of the tump.

1905
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:33.800
<v Speaker 6>Some guys, unfortunately it doesn't work out, but there is

1906
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:35.520
<v Speaker 6>a lot of light. And I got to be honest

1907
01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:39.239
<v Speaker 6>with you. You guys gave me a lifeline by allowing

1908
01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:42.840
<v Speaker 6>me on the show. Let me be an idiot sometimes

1909
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:46.079
<v Speaker 6>in my outfits, but I do it for the right reasons.

1910
01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:49.239
<v Speaker 6>I do it because I respect you guys, outfit. I

1911
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.479
<v Speaker 6>love the job to this day.

1912
01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.760
<v Speaker 8>And you know what, it's easy just to forget about

1913
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.560
<v Speaker 8>the job, but to have guys on tell their stories,

1914
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:04.399
<v Speaker 8>tell their what's about training, safety, kitchen table meals, whatever

1915
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:06.720
<v Speaker 8>it may be, it's a lifeline. And I'm not the

1916
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 8>only one that I get cools all the time because

1917
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.520
<v Speaker 8>they see me on your show and they call me

1918
01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:13.000
<v Speaker 8>up and you're a lifeline, you know.

1919
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 5>And Uh, I think that we're gonna we're gonna be

1920
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.119
<v Speaker 5>doing another I didn't talk to Louis about it yet,

1921
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:21.840
<v Speaker 5>but I talked to Mike and we talked to Nancy

1922
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:24.560
<v Speaker 5>Carbone and she wants to do another show down at

1923
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:28.319
<v Speaker 5>on mental health and stuff like that, down at Friends

1924
01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:32.239
<v Speaker 5>of Firefighters. We'll get that together. Yeah, we'll put that out.

1925
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:34.000
<v Speaker 5>What do we talk about RUFFI all the time? Like,

1926
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:36.880
<v Speaker 5>imagine if you're one of the guys that dies and

1927
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.640
<v Speaker 5>your wife comes home and there's your clothes that you

1928
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.560
<v Speaker 5>were gonna put on that day and all the stuff

1929
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:44.640
<v Speaker 5>that she's got to go through where you sat at

1930
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:48.319
<v Speaker 5>the table, your car, you left your desk, you left

1931
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:49.960
<v Speaker 5>your desk and stuff on your desk.

1932
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>She's got a pictures of your desk.

1933
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:58.279
<v Speaker 5>Who goes to the far hid the hidden past?

1934
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:07.680
<v Speaker 7>You guys, you guys are crazy? What the we hav

1935
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:09.000
<v Speaker 7>did you?

1936
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:12.680
<v Speaker 6>Like? I said, guys, it's you guys are a lifeline

1937
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:13.520
<v Speaker 6>to a lot of guys.

1938
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:14.399
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

1939
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.119
<v Speaker 6>I just had a guy call me. I'm not going

1940
01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:18.840
<v Speaker 6>to mention his name what's his name?

1941
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.720
<v Speaker 8>Guy that called me out of the blue to thank

1942
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.720
<v Speaker 8>me when I come on and I'm just saying about

1943
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:33.720
<v Speaker 8>my own personal stories. And it's a lifeline for him

1944
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.920
<v Speaker 8>because he's come close to committing suicide more than once.

1945
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.399
<v Speaker 6>All right, and uh, this is a big deal. I mean, uh,

1946
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.399
<v Speaker 6>you know, the line of duty deaths are not fun. Uh,

1947
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:48.920
<v Speaker 6>No one wants to do him.

1948
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:52.199
<v Speaker 8>And uh, when they happen, it's just a lot of

1949
01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:56.079
<v Speaker 8>collateral damage. It affects the company, it affects the families,

1950
01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:57.239
<v Speaker 8>it affects you.

1951
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.880
<v Speaker 6>Uh So it's a it's a rough deal. And like

1952
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:01.680
<v Speaker 6>I said, cheap.

1953
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1954
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:04.399
<v Speaker 6>The guy's got to realize, no matter what the poem

1955
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.720
<v Speaker 6>that they're in, I don't care how you want to

1956
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:11.239
<v Speaker 6>make an excuse. The excuses don't wash me anymore. Okay,

1957
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:17.479
<v Speaker 6>I've been there. It ain't worth it. Respect that's the deal.

1958
01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:20.159
<v Speaker 7>For sure, I agree on undred percent.

1959
01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:23.199
<v Speaker 5>Just he called you a mensch, such a mench?

1960
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Yummy?

1961
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:26.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what do we got next week?

1962
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>If we have a show Monday?

1963
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:29.119
<v Speaker 5>Monday?

1964
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know it was what he got we got?

1965
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:31.840
<v Speaker 9>Uh?

1966
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.319
<v Speaker 1>The guy stick a stick a stick, a stick a sticker.

1967
01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:41.800
<v Speaker 7>Captain Scotchdale Yeah, where's he from scotch Dale?

1968
01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that Arizona? But he's the guy, uh captain with

1969
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the coffee guy too? Oh no, no, yeah, is.

1970
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.920
<v Speaker 9>Not fire Uh he does the fire fire chronicles all

1971
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:04.560
<v Speaker 9>the time. Oh yuh Jason, Yeah, it should be any show.

1972
01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:05.720
<v Speaker 9>I remember my name.

1973
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:08.159
<v Speaker 5>I think I booked all the way up to April. Now,

1974
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:13.479
<v Speaker 5>so the Mike again down at the Friends of fire Fighters.

1975
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.199
<v Speaker 7>He's the public coffee.

1976
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.359
<v Speaker 5>Maybe tire maybe we'll tire a load on again, Mike.

1977
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:21.319
<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying. Well, we went there, absolutely, Yeah,

1978
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:22.159
<v Speaker 5>that was.

1979
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:27.119
<v Speaker 1>The Richish Schmid retired. That the Richish Schmid retire yet I.

1980
01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.359
<v Speaker 6>Uh, I was texting with him. He's retired. He came

1981
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.800
<v Speaker 6>out of the hospital last week. Uh, he's got a

1982
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:35.560
<v Speaker 6>you know, I think he's gonna make it, but he's

1983
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:36.279
<v Speaker 6>got a tough road.

1984
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:38.039
<v Speaker 5>What's what was the matter with him?

1985
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:40.359
<v Speaker 6>Very serious lung problems.

1986
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:41.279
<v Speaker 5>Oh I don't even know that.

1987
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:45.279
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, because I think I texted him, or I think

1988
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:47.279
<v Speaker 9>I texted him or somebody to try and get him

1989
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:49.119
<v Speaker 9>on the show, and they told me he was dealing

1990
01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:50.000
<v Speaker 9>with a lot of help.

1991
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:52.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, he's I think he's gonna take a while to

1992
01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:53.359
<v Speaker 8>recouperate to be honest again.

1993
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:55.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I hope.

1994
01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:57.479
<v Speaker 7>So. Yeah, he's got a lot of got a lot

1995
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.439
<v Speaker 7>of every time I see him, mcsle he's nine to

1996
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:01.159
<v Speaker 7>eleven every year.

1997
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:01.359
<v Speaker 6>Man.

1998
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:03.920
<v Speaker 7>The guys, uh, you know, they look forward to his speech.

1999
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.399
<v Speaker 6>No, he's a good raw rock. I mean, listen, he's

2000
01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:08.000
<v Speaker 6>a big guy to you.

2001
01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:10.760
<v Speaker 5>You ever see oh my god, baseball.

2002
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:14.680
<v Speaker 9>You ever go down Queen's Boulevard in that rig with him?

2003
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:23.239
<v Speaker 9>My goodness, gratus hom I'm like nice, like this rich man.

2004
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:24.800
<v Speaker 9>I want to get there, bro, But this is in

2005
01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.239
<v Speaker 9>breezy Oh he's you know, you know what it's like

2006
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.000
<v Speaker 9>in breezy point. Bro, it's like a three hour ride.

2007
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:33.279
<v Speaker 9>It's four thirty on a Tuesday afternoon.

2008
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:34.319
<v Speaker 1>Dude, what were you doing?

2009
01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:34.560
<v Speaker 7>Oh?

2010
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:36.920
<v Speaker 6>He is uh heavy metal?

2011
01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:37.640
<v Speaker 7>He was.

2012
01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>He was balls to the wall man, never never let off.

2013
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:42.079
<v Speaker 5>One fifty four guy.

2014
01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.880
<v Speaker 9>Yeah right, yeah, yeah, look got Jimmy ammon coming on

2015
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:48.039
<v Speaker 9>to four.

2016
01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:52.079
<v Speaker 5>Good stuff, Michael, Thank you for coming on right.

2017
01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:54.039
<v Speaker 6>Are you gonna have that daily on with the new

2018
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:56.560
<v Speaker 6>book or by chance or what books?

2019
01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:56.880
<v Speaker 7>Uh?

2020
01:30:57.600 --> 01:30:59.479
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I don't think. I don't know we're gonna I

2021
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:01.800
<v Speaker 9>don't think. He His wife said they can't he's not

2022
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.000
<v Speaker 9>able to do it. Oh okay, I'm pretty sure.

2023
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, all right, because that looks like an interesting book.

2024
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:10.840
<v Speaker 9>Yeah yeah, I think she just wanted us to mention

2025
01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:12.920
<v Speaker 9>the book. So when that is it does? I don't

2026
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:13.680
<v Speaker 9>think it was out yet?

2027
01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:14.199
<v Speaker 5>Was it out?

2028
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.079
<v Speaker 6>How about the Andrew Sierra?

2029
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Who's that? What do you got?

2030
01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:22.000
<v Speaker 6>He's got a book out too. I believe there's a

2031
01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:23.399
<v Speaker 6>lot of books coming out. I don't know where these

2032
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:23.880
<v Speaker 6>guys find.

2033
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>You got to get the office corner, get him going.

2034
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.960
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna do but we're gonna do a show up

2035
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:37.000
<v Speaker 5>by Roofie. There's a bunch of guys who do a breakfast,

2036
01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:42.560
<v Speaker 5>the Jonas, all those guys. If you want to hit

2037
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:44.199
<v Speaker 5>a ride with me, Mike, I'll pick you up and

2038
01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:44.720
<v Speaker 5>go out there.

2039
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:47.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah I would go, I would. I would come along. Yeh,

2040
01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:48.399
<v Speaker 6>that's that should be great.

2041
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:51.119
<v Speaker 5>Maybe we'll snuggle up next to Roofie in his bed

2042
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:51.960
<v Speaker 5>and we'll sleep.

2043
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.680
<v Speaker 8>And I'll tell you I'll say one more thing before

2044
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:58.880
<v Speaker 8>I snuggle up with Louis for the night. Is we

2045
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.600
<v Speaker 8>were in the they saved New York. Now I only

2046
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:04.760
<v Speaker 8>speak for myself. I look at it this wayte and

2047
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:05.439
<v Speaker 8>why saved me.

2048
01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:08.800
<v Speaker 6>That's how I look at it. Brother, No, I think

2049
01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:11.520
<v Speaker 6>I speak for both of you guys. Thank guy.

2050
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>We made it out.

2051
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:16.960
<v Speaker 5>We got We had a good time at the book signing,

2052
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:21.239
<v Speaker 5>didn't We had a great tigne good stuff.

2053
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Coobs laughs at me. Every time somebody comes by, like to.

2054
01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Ask me to sign the book. I go, I don't

2055
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.520
<v Speaker 5>you know Louis in the two he loves signing the book.

2056
01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 1>I just like, kind of like, go to me.

2057
01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:38.199
<v Speaker 5>He walks away like one of these you don't know Louis.

2058
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:39.640
<v Speaker 5>He's on at a page before me.

2059
01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:42.720
<v Speaker 6>Look here he is too much, too much.

2060
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:44.560
<v Speaker 5>I like, guys, Mike, great show.

2061
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:46.239
<v Speaker 6>Thanks, allow me to come on.

2062
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:49.560
<v Speaker 5>We'll do you again. Come up with another interesting costume.

2063
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:52.439
<v Speaker 5>But before you got it the I do look like,

2064
01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:56.039
<v Speaker 5>thank you. I'm gonna call I'm gonna call uh what's

2065
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.720
<v Speaker 5>her name? Tomorrow and uh friends of right, Yeah, I'll

2066
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:00.880
<v Speaker 5>get it. Daco there he is.

2067
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>You need to go.

2068
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:07.960
<v Speaker 5>You got to complete that, alright, guys. Make sure you

2069
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:11.239
<v Speaker 5>watch The Cup of Joe with Fuego every Tuesday or

2070
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:14.319
<v Speaker 5>Wednesday something like that. And don't forget the Lancaster County.

2071
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:19.600
<v Speaker 5>Me and Roofie will be there. Harrisburg sixteenth and seventeen.

2072
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 5>I'll be hobbling around because I'll just be ten days

2073
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.159
<v Speaker 5>out from my niece replacement.

2074
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:26.159
<v Speaker 1>So books.

2075
01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:32.920
<v Speaker 5>Hey, I'm just signing books and sit down by rough Yeah,

2076
01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:34.399
<v Speaker 5>come on down. Send your old lady.

2077
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:37.239
<v Speaker 7>Right away.

2078
01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:42.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Lancaster, and we will be Colon will be an Indy,

2079
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:45.279
<v Speaker 5>you Indian the third and fourth that they got April

2080
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:51.119
<v Speaker 5>right or something like that. There to the twelfth close,

2081
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.039
<v Speaker 5>eight to the twelfth will be there. Come out and

2082
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:55.199
<v Speaker 5>see us. Gonza is coming to right, Yes.

2083
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:58.960
<v Speaker 6>I got to Oh nice, Yeah cool, I will go

2084
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:00.520
<v Speaker 6>And finally what.

2085
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:06.880
<v Speaker 5>Look at that? He went right into pete mode?

2086
01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:10.199
<v Speaker 7>What yeah? Right, what are you talking about? I don't know.

2087
01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:15.800
<v Speaker 7>I can't go anywhere with my hands like this. Wait,

2088
01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.359
<v Speaker 7>this is from raw you know what that means?

2089
01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Man? We go like this, hold on like this guy's

2090
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:24.399
<v Speaker 1>n We like this.

2091
01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:31.319
<v Speaker 7>For anybody that don't know, they freeze or they fall over.

2092
01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:43.279
<v Speaker 10>All right, thank you guys, coming day, Yeah, okay, be safe,

2093
01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.880
<v Speaker 10>don't drink and drive all the other stuff.

2094
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:50.359
<v Speaker 5>On Monday. Until then, stay low and go.

2095
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:53.439
<v Speaker 1>We'll see it the big one. Everybody have a good night.

2096
01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:57.479
<v Speaker 7>Alright, guys, don't forget the great topic tonight train, train train,

2097
01:34:57.560 --> 01:34:59.359
<v Speaker 7>don't ever be afraid to call him to day and

2098
01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:01.600
<v Speaker 7>we remember down here, we're rolling heavy in South Florida.

2099
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:02.720
<v Speaker 6>God yeah, go.

2100
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:05.880
<v Speaker 7>Ahead. What I got.

2101
01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:09.319
<v Speaker 6>All I can tell you is play it safe.

2102
01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 5>That's all I can.

2103
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.760
<v Speaker 7>We got, I like, alright, brother, good night one love you,