WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:04.040 Hey, it's Fred. You know I regularly get asked about 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:06.679 my all time favorite episodes, and this one comes to 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.800 mind because our guest is Dave Stockton. Over thirty years 4 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.320 as a touring professional, Dave won eleven times on the 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:19.160 PGA Tour, including two PGA Championships in nineteen seventy and 6 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:23.079 nineteen seventy six. After that, he joined the Champions Tour 7 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:27.280 in nineteen ninety two and won fourteen times through nineteen 8 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:32.600 ninety seven, including two Senior PGA Championships and the US 9 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.280 Senior Open. Later, he went on to become one of 10 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.079 the most sought after short game instructors in the world. 11 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:42.000 So in this episode we tried something different as it 12 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:46.280 was two complete episodes in one conversation that was presented 13 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.799 at one time to Golf Smarter members behind our paywall 14 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:54.079 and has never been shared publicly before. I know you'll 15 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.560 agree with me that there's a lot of really helpful 16 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.359 insights and instruction from one of the best. So here's 17 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.960 Golf Smarter episode's number four hundred thirty and four hundred 18 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.040 and thirty one from April one, twenty fourteen. 19 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:12.319 Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 20 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.959 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 21 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:21.959 Golf Smarter podcast Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 22 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.879 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 23 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.480 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 24 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.519 I was never the most gifted physically, but I'm going 25 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:36.200 to beat you mentally. If seventy five or six was 26 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.159 the best I could do, has certainly made the sixty seven. 27 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:40.480 I was going to need to shoot the next day 28 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.640 to make the cut a much more viable approach rather 29 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.079 than getting all mad and happy about it. It's like 30 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.000 the two things with Rory, the one I alluded to 31 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.760 for he won the opening where I basically had him 32 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.519 use monitoring how he played the secondment, which is his 33 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.239 PGA Atkiwa where I saw in the leak before. And 34 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:00.719 he had a terrible year so far, up and down. 35 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.359 He wasn't consistent, he hadn't defended a US opened very 36 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:06.799 well at the Olympic Club in San Francisco and miss 37 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.039 and cuts. As we were leaving Actor in the week 38 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.280 before and I said, I want you to do me 39 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.159 a favor, and he looked right at me, which he 40 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.240 always does, and I said to him, I am getting 41 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.800 really tired of turning on a TV and telling whether 42 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:20.080 you burdied or both be the last hole. And I 43 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.159 don't know why you're giving your opponents an opportunity to 44 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.039 get you. I said, you got to forget the bad shots, 45 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:27.280 and he did. 46 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.520 Own your game. How to use your mind to play 47 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:39.319 winning golf with Dave Stockton. This is Golf Smarter, and 48 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.639 now we bring you the full unedited seventy minute interview 49 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.159 with Dave Stockton, including about five minutes before we actually 50 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.199 started the show. Dave, let me give you little background here. 51 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.560 The purpose of Golf Smarter. The way I started it was, 52 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.400 you know, I'm not a golf professional. I'm not a 53 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.599 PGA instructor, just a guy who likes to play on 54 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.199 the weekends and I like to ask a lot of questions. 55 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.919 But when I started doing this show, my thought was 56 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.479 that if you have a strong mental game and you 57 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.919 understand strategy, you're going to lower your scores a lot 58 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.280 faster than if you were just trying to work on 59 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:19.319 your swing mechanics. 60 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:24.360 Wow, boy, you you're You're way ahead of a whole 61 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:25.599 lot of people. As far as. 62 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:31.319 I'm concerned, so it's so I've developed this following, which 63 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:37.560 amazing because it's unlike radio, it's worldwide, and we've built 64 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:41.319 this community on this whole concept and it's worked very well. 65 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.759 According to you know, iTunes and Google online, it's the 66 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.840 most popular golf podcast. So wow, I must have done 67 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:50.439 something right. 68 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:56.680 It's amazing because what you're doing is not not normal 69 00:03:56.800 --> 00:03:59.719 really because so many people they get so wrapped up 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.240 on the physical part of it. Do you let me 71 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.319 ask you a question if you talk to Deborah Graham, no, 72 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.000 John for John Stabler. 73 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.159 No, I'm always looking for new people to talk to 74 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:12.639 as well. 75 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:19.079 Well. There it was interesting because Golf World ran an 76 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:23.879 article about the brain in November, and Ritella and Julie 77 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.720 Ellian and Coop and there were three or four and 78 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.000 they ended the whole thing by saying, you know, they 79 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.199 got a track man for the for the metal game, 80 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.720 for the physical game, but they don't have anything for 81 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:42.160 the brain, right, and John Stabler and Deborah Graham actually do. 82 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.759 I mean, you can be fifty foot away from somebody 83 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.360 and you can tell exactly when they make their decision 84 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:52.279 to hit a shot or if they changed their mind. 85 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.600 You can you can literally read it and know immediately 86 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.319 this person is not not confident, or this person is 87 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.480 not hasn't pictured what they're trying to do. It blows 88 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.360 you away. I mean, she was a psychologist that I 89 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.480 used at the Ryder Cup at Kiowa and in ninety 90 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.519 one to profile my players so i'd get them to 91 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.040 play better. 92 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.399 That was such a fascinating story. I love that. I 93 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.959 didn't mind the name dropping. It added credibility to the book. 94 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.199 But I but there were parts of it, like I 95 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:24.519 was even while I was reading it, and we'll get 96 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.920 into this when we do the interview, but there were 97 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.680 two paragraphs in there that I said to my wife, 98 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.079 I said, I can do at least a half hour 99 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:37.120 on just these two paragraphs alone, right, because the nuance 100 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.000 of what you were talking about, and I'm not going 101 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.120 to tell you what it is because we'll do it 102 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.879 during the show, but the nuance was like, we can 103 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.800 pick into that so much, and I'd have so many 104 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.920 questions about that. So yeah, I love that kind of stuff. 105 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.879 To me, that's what makes the most sense. 106 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.040 That's interesting because most people they have no clue. And 107 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.319 the reason is funny. I wrote the Putting Book and 108 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.199 I thought, well, okay, that's because everybody consider themselves bad putters, 109 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.160 and everybody thinks I know how to teach putting, so 110 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.040 this will be a natural. And then I realized, after 111 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.519 I work with the people, how many people were not 112 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.720 good chippers. So we did the Chipping book, and as 113 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.120 I'm doing that, I'm coming to realize this last book 114 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.360 and on your Game is basically the most important one, 115 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.199 because if I have somebody really good that I'm going 116 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.759 to get paid to have them played better, I am 117 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.079 literally going to have them call Debra and have him 118 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.519 take her test because I want to find out and 119 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.560 I want them to see how, you know, how mentally 120 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.600 they're weak in different places and it makes all the 121 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:39.439 difference in the world. 122 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.560 Yeah, I actually have. There was another woman in Florida. 123 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.560 I'm blanking on her name right now, but I did 124 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.199 do a show with her and we talked about the 125 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:52.759 four different personality styles right of golfers and how to 126 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.279 figure out how to play with them. And I think 127 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.439 the thing that I learned mostly from her was you 128 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.680 never conduct business on the golf course. You learn if 129 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.240 you want to do business with that person by the 130 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.480 way that person plays golf. Sure, yeah, I thought that 131 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.360 was absolutely fascinating and really valuable. 132 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:13.680 Right, yeah, no, no doubt. 133 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.560 Have you have you noticed lately on the tour where 134 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.319 they talk about strokes gained putting this new stat that 135 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:25.399 they're talking about and strokes gained driving. Right, So the 136 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:30.199 guy who came up with golf metrics, Mark Brodie, Yeah, 137 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.319 he was just on the show two weeks ago. 138 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.240 Yeah, he's written the book. I you know, again, I 139 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:39.279 have not gotten into that, so I don't you know, 140 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.439 and I don't I know they've changed it in everything, 141 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.800 but I you know, And it was interesting to hear 142 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.959 him say that. You know, he basically thinks the other 143 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:49.879 part of the game is more important, So it was 144 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:50.800 kind of surprising. 145 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.639 Well, what I found out from him was that what 146 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.600 he was saying is they everyone beats themselves up on putts, 147 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.639 and I know that like if I three putt, I 148 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:04.199 carry that with me, right, that if I start putting poorly, 149 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.160 doesn't matter how the rest of my game is going, 150 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.160 that that will impact my mood for that day. And 151 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.759 yet what he's saying is actually putting you know, you 152 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.439 should look at the rest of your game because putting 153 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.600 only accounts for about twenty seven percent of your scoring. 154 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.759 The way the way he had it, so it was fascinating. 155 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:22.759 Yeah. 156 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:27.120 So all right, so this is how we'll do it. 157 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:30.879 I'll say, Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast, Dave. You 158 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.360 say hi, Fred, and then we'll see where it goes 159 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:34.799 from there. 160 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:36.679 You got it, Fred, that's fine. 161 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:43.279 Okay, here we go. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast, Dave. 162 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:46.120 Thank you, Fred, good to be with you. 163 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.000 Well, thank you very much. I loved reading your book. 164 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.039 It didn't take me a long time, but I consumed 165 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:57.559 every word of the new book Own Your Game, and 166 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.679 it spoke to me in so many ways. Is because 167 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:06.320 I'm a big believer in the mental game and strategy, 168 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:11.240 not necessarily course management, but strategy. And I love the 169 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:17.440 way that you actually discussed strategy as a very different 170 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.440 approach than just talking about the metal game. 171 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.000 Right. I mean, the people you talk about routines, and 172 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.679 everybody thinks their routine is okay, what's happening just before 173 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.840 the ball? And I tried to explain in the book. 174 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.440 You know, you play a hole like the twelfth hole 175 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:35.480 in Augusta under the pressure of playing in the Masters, 176 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.519 your routine starts to minute you the second you drop 177 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.639 the ball. The hole on eleven, because immediately you're looking 178 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:44.240 to see what the trees behind twelve are doing, because 179 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:46.399 once you get up on the twelfth p it's blocked 180 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.200 by a giant grand stan of people and you really 181 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:52.879 can't tell. So you're automatically already starting to think about 182 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.559 the next hole. You're shetting, and as a good golfer 183 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.480 will do, or most of the time, you know the eleventh 184 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.399 hole is buying you anyway, so you might will start 185 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.360 getting your mind and your routine ready to go on 186 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.679 the next one. It's not and it's not just your 187 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.399 physical routine. And for me, the metal side. 188 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.559 Is so important to it, absolutely, And I love the 189 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.159 line here strategies about tilting the odds in your favor 190 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.799 as much as you can exactly exactly. 191 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:23.360 I mean, that's like going by a certain hole I 192 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:27.279 keep picking on on Augusta. But you know you watch 193 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:32.799 different courses. Well, let's say the let's say the Phoenix 194 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.200 open that has the sixteenth toll with a million people 195 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.279 sitting around yelling at you. You know you better, you 196 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.519 better realize what the wind's doing and the conditions as 197 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.399 you go down fifteen, because when you get inside that enclosure, 198 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.720 you can't tell. And you know, so many people are 199 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.399 affected by the next shot they're going to hit or 200 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.519 the last shot they did hit that they're you know, 201 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.080 they're not getting the whole idea, they're not getting the 202 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.200 whole thing that could make it an easy day for them. 203 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.480 They just have these series of blips that I don't 204 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.440 they're not conscious of, and they don't they don't gain 205 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.960 the perspective you know, when we all have when we 206 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.240 have our days, we all play good. It happens so 207 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.840 so easily that there's not a whole lot of thought, 208 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.440 and then all of a sudden you get going bad. 209 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.440 And if you don't have the wherewithal the get get 210 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.559 it behind you and get get it turned around. Uh, 211 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.200 you're in trouble. I mean, one of the things I 212 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.600 asked when I'm working with people, I said, Okay, if 213 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.799 you're only going to be given six one puts today, 214 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:29.840 what is your reaction when you're over the first twelve 215 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.559 holes and you make one? I'm thirteen so now, but 216 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.240 you don't know you're going to make the next five 217 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.200 no matter if they're two foot or fifty, you're going 218 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.519 to make all of them. What was your reaction? Was it? Well, 219 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.200 I'm a that that figures I've getting that I found 220 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.639 an acorn or you know, something kind of negative and 221 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:48.120 said instead of being in meaning it saying oh boy, 222 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.200 here we go. Now I got it, Here we go 223 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.799 and it's I don't know it. To me, it's fun 224 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.600 and I'm glad to hear you, you know, talk about 225 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.360 what you're doing out there, because you're you've tapped to 226 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.679 exactly what I think is the key to having people 227 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:06.159 play a lot better, a lot faster, and much easier 228 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:07.320 on themselves. 229 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.840 When you say play a lot faster, you know, you 230 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:17.919 talked a lot about pre shot routine, and I think 231 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.720 we can do There were two paragraphs in the book 232 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.120 that talk about pre shot routine that to me, we 233 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.240 can do the entire episode on. And I'm just going 234 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.440 to pick your brain on that because I feel like 235 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.799 I have a good pre shot routine, but after reading 236 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.600 your book, I feel like it's a very mechanical pre 237 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.799 shot routine and I do the same things over and over, 238 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.840 but I'm not thinking about or noticing the same things. 239 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:51.000 Well, did you remember my little story about January in there? 240 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.840 Please tell it? Because I've read the book. Not everybody has, Okay, 241 00:12:55.879 --> 00:13:00.320 but did you remember it, the January story about January. 242 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:03.120 Before I talked about January stopping me as I was 243 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.440 going off the first team playing with he and Arnold Palmer. 244 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:07.399 Oh right, Oh, I thought you meant the month. 245 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:12.480 Yes. Yes, it was probably one of the most unbelievable 246 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.320 things to me because I had never I've been on 247 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:16.960 twury a year and a half. Of course I didn't 248 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.679 I didn't make the cuts most of the time, and 249 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.240 I was you know, I'd never met Arnold until that 250 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:25.279 faithful day at the LA Open at Ranchell. And He's 251 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.240 got me by seven, He's got January by four. January's 252 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.120 and third, and I'm in fifth, and I get introduced 253 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:34.000 to him, and you know, Heat's off and everybody roars. 254 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.360 And then January' is the PGA champion. Heat's off. Everybody roars. 255 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.919 It's my turn. And as January hits, I'm looking at 256 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:41.960 my feet and my toes are just bouncing up down 257 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.480 because I'm nervous as heck. But uh, and I'm heavy enough. 258 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.360 I looked at my my shoes aren't moving. I'm going 259 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.360 that's good. Nobody can tell I'm petrified. So I get 260 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.360 my ball, stays on the tee. I give it a 261 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.120 whack right down the middle, and I grabbed the tea 262 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.120 and I'm not a foot away from have to grabbing 263 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.240 my tea on a dead run to catch Arnold. I 264 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.000 hear this voice, goes son Son and basically it's January 265 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.120 and asked me. He said, what do you see out there? 266 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.720 And I said, well, I see twenty thousand people. He said, no, no, no, 267 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.080 watch Arnold. Arnold's now got us by fifty yards because 268 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:16.799 January walks really slow. And he said, I just want 269 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:18.480 to let you know that you have a problem today. 270 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.360 And I said, what's that. He says, well, now Arnold's 271 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.960 almost to where my ball is, and they're both like 272 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.799 forty yards behind and pass me, and he says, you 273 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.759 notice how far we're by you. I said, yes, sir, 274 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:31.159 And he says, well, we're going to do that all 275 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.320 day except when we can't putt like you, so we're 276 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.000 going to be even. He said, but the problem you have. 277 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.159 And now now Palmer's at his ball looking back at us, 278 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.120 and we're still fifty yards for me to get to 279 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.399 my ball, taking these little bitty steps, and he he 280 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.799 looks to me, he says, you know the problem you 281 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.080 have is if you go Arnold's pace, this is my pace. 282 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:53.759 We're walking right now, and you're going to see me 283 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.120 walking up your backside all day. And he said, but 284 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.679 on the other side, Arnold can't hit till you hit Kenny. 285 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:01.879 And I said no, sir. He said, well, you go 286 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.159 my face and it's going to be very difficult on 287 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:10.639 mister Palmer today. And I go, that's different. And so 288 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.000 the second and we all parted. One. We go to 289 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.519 the second hall and I can't walk that slow. In fact, 290 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.519 I was sore and taking a little step. So I 291 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.840 went to the left. Then I crossed to the right 292 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.279 and there was nobody there, but I just made this 293 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.120 big X and I came back to my ball. January 294 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.240 walked by and he winked at me, and so we 295 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.080 all parted the second. The third hole is a part 296 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.120 of three. I only walked to one side and the 297 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.240 fourth hole of my wife Kathy walks up and she says, 298 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.639 what are you doing? And I said well, and I 299 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.320 pulled her under the rose, put my arm around her, 300 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.000 and I said, mister January said this about you know 301 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.279 my pace of play. He knows I play fast, he 302 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.200 knows I don't take practice swings, and he said, and 303 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.360 he just said that I'm going to get derailed by 304 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.840 him walking out of my backside, and I ought to 305 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.879 think about my pace of play. I had never in 306 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:57.840 two and a half years or two years on tour, 307 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:03.480 I ever thought about playing slower faster. And consequently she said, 308 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.320 what sounds like I'm a good idea to me. I'm 309 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.159 on the eighteenth tee, I am. I walked twenty miles, 310 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.720 I am dead tired. I'm five under for the day 311 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.559 and I've picked up five shots on Palmer. I'm within 312 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.320 two shots he Birdi's the last hole to win the tournament. 313 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:21.320 I finished fourth, and I really learned something well. I 314 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:26.519 passed the same same thing on to McElroy insomuch as 315 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:29.159 when he blew the Masters, and I met him three 316 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.480 weeks later for the first time because his caddie wanted 317 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:35.519 me to work with him. And his opening question to 318 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.759 me at Charlotte, my son Ronnie was with me. He says, 319 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.960 what what do you What did you see me at 320 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.039 the Masters? And I said yeah, he said, what'd you think? 321 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.399 I said, I thought you had a terrible pairing and 322 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.960 he looks at me like I had four eyes you know, 323 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.240 I said, well, I saw you pair with Cabrera, and 324 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.039 Cabret is the world's nicest guy, but unfortunately he plays 325 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.399 just as fast as you. And I said, you ask 326 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:59.399 me what I saw. I saw two guys that played 327 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:01.679 stand around and wait and wait, and it was their 328 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.759 turn to hit. They hurt. They hit really fast because 329 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.519 you're both fast players, and they'd walk fast. Now they 330 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.119 got to stand around there and wait and wait to 331 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:13.160 wait again. And basically I said, you had no rhythm. 332 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:15.759 I mean it was almost you should have realized that 333 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.400 you were the last ones out and nobody you know, 334 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.440 you can't. You can't go through the in front of you, 335 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:22.480 so you might as well just take your time. Well, 336 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.720 he bought into that. We looked at his putting physically. 337 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.200 There was nothing wrong. In fact, he had great routine 338 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:31.359 and stuff as far as the physical part of it, 339 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.720 and I see him it wentworth three weeks later in 340 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.400 London and then comes up to Congressional where I won 341 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.480 my second PGA, and that was the US Open, and 342 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:43.319 again or the lesson lasted maybe a minute or two. 343 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.160 Everything looked fine, so I wasn't going to tell him 344 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.119 anything else. We'd go to the last round the seventh 345 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.160 to ten toll. The part three, he had two hundred 346 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.079 yard shower. I'd be hitting the seven wood and he's 347 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.920 hitting the seven aron hit at about six inches and 348 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:56.839 then it gave him a five or six shot lead 349 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.519 at that point. But the eleventh toll congressionals are really tough. 350 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.839 Part four, water down the right, big trap on the left, 351 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:08.640 and Rory walked off. But within a minute he was 352 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.039 back up on the green with his putter, just one 353 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.480 putting with his left hand, no ball, just you know, 354 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.599 making him looking or the eighteenth green, enjoying the people 355 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:19.480 and his kame must have been there seven eight minutes 356 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.759 since Caddy finally walked up. Whatstled at him? He went 357 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.519 back down. He hit the t shirt and I thought, 358 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.400 this kid learns pretty fast, because he didn't want to 359 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.279 stand down there on that tee like he did at 360 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.000 the Masters, and stood there and let the pressure build. 361 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:34.079 And so what would you know. It's a long answer 362 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.839 to your question, but basically, that one thing that January 363 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.440 did for me made me aware of the surroundings around me, 364 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.440 whether I was going to play slower that day or 365 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:48.599 faster that day, and it changes. It's not anything consistent 366 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:50.279 but you got to do something that's going to make 367 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.240 you feel comfortable. 368 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.720 I love that story. And please, any question I ask 369 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:58.319 you can take as long as you'd like to answer. 370 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:04.279 And I have no issue with that, No problem, okay. 371 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.039 And you know I tend to be a fast walker 372 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:12.400 when I play, but my preshot routine is very deliberate, 373 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.400 and my putting routine is very deliberate. Maybe that slows 374 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.319 me down, that changes my rhythm based on the rest 375 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.759 of my life, which is fairly quick. Is that am 376 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.480 I working against myself by doing that? 377 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:36.000 Absolutely, we don't have a method. I say, Wade, Ronnie 378 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.839 or Dave Junior, myself, Stock and golf. We use our 379 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.480 eyes and our job looking at you is to make 380 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.119 you comfortable. Well, what I tell you would be something different. 381 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.559 I'd tell your neighbor or if you're a for handicap 382 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.160 and they're at thirty, you're gonna tell them something different 383 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.440 because and yet everybody is into this mechanical thing. But 384 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.440 I'm here to tell you. I mean, I've I played 385 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.720 golf too many years, over forty years on a two 386 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:03.759 tour combined, and I have never seen anybody yet the 387 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:09.039 normal routine is people slow down, I'll never forget watching 388 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:12.640 Faldo beat beat Scott Holk and a playoff on ten 389 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.400 in Augusta when Scott's got a two foot putt to 390 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:20.400 win and he backed off and then came back in. 391 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:22.240 I'm screaming at the TV because I knew he was 392 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.880 gonna miss him. Another one at the Masters with Ed 393 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.480 Snead had a three shot lead with three holes to go, 394 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.960 and all of a sudden it looked like his body 395 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.759 had been taken over by an alien the last three 396 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.119 because his routine went twice as long as what had 397 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.640 been doing. And just because you want to throw a 398 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.640 dart in the center of a bullseye, if I make 399 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.400 you stand there and stare at this thing and slow down, 400 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:46.759 it isn't gonna work as good. He can't. And that's 401 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.640