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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting there, going do I bring this up

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<v Speaker 1>to my dad?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm either going to get an earful or he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to believe me. I kept going, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>do I bring this up? And I was I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get up the courage to ask him, because, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I don't know if I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get an earful here or not. And I finally

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<v Speaker 2>got the courage and I'm like, Dad, Man, I got

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you something, did you?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, did you see the fog too?

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<v Speaker 2>This morning? And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you saw it? And so it was almost like

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<v Speaker 2>he was waiting for me to bring it up. Once

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<v Speaker 2>I brought it up, He's like, you saw the blinking fogs?

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<v Speaker 1>Who didn't you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was this on off, same cadence and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the heck is that? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, Chris, I don't know. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of each episode, I like to remind

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<v Speaker 3>people that there's something in the woods, and sometimes that's

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<v Speaker 3>not Bigfoot. There's other things out there that people experience

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't have an explanation for that hasn't been proven,

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<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't make them any less real. And my

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<v Speaker 3>guest on this episode is a person that has experienced

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<v Speaker 3>one of those things that has really intrigued me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was fortunate enough to have him agree to come

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<v Speaker 3>on and talk about it. Chris, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.

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<v Speaker 1>I Matt, thanks for having me man.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate the opportunity to share my experience and

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<v Speaker 2>see if anyone else has experienced this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so before we get to that, you're a listener

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<v Speaker 3>and enjoyer, I hope a Bigfoot podcast around the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, listen to them all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, got you interested in that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question. So my dad is kind of an outdoorsy

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<v Speaker 2>guy and loved all the National Geographic and all those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mystery things growing up, and I just remember

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<v Speaker 2>him watching a documentary on the Patterson Gimblin film and

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<v Speaker 2>watching the film and being like, Wow, what if something's

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<v Speaker 2>out there like that? And so that was when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid. I don't know, probably eight or less.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to say, but it would probably been in the

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<v Speaker 2>late eighties early nineties when I saw it and piqued

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<v Speaker 2>my interests. I've been curious about it ever since, ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where it started.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, did you have experiences growing up or anything with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what I call the unexplained paranormal cryptids and

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>A good question. No, I really haven't. The experience we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about is really the only thing I

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<v Speaker 2>can think of that ever was like weird enough to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I didn't have any paranormal anything happened growing up? Nope.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's important to mention, you know. I like

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<v Speaker 3>to point out that sometimes there are people out there

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<v Speaker 3>who they'll experience something, or they'll have like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a lifelong thing going on where they experience one thing

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<v Speaker 3>after another, or sometimes they experience something and then they

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<v Speaker 3>start experiencing other things. But then every once in a

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<v Speaker 3>while that's not the case. Sometimes there's a person who's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>nothing ever happened until this happened. That's it, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of where you're at. And so yeah, let's just

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<v Speaker 3>get right into it walk us through everything. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on that day, what you were doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and what you experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>At any point you want me to clarify or have

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<v Speaker 2>a question, please interrupt me. I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So I grew up in a small town.

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<v Speaker 2>In northwestern Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Sulton, Illinois if you look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's around the Missippi River right on the Highway Illinois border.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like to joke that I'm a redneck and

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<v Speaker 2>a river rat combined. But my dad and I we

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<v Speaker 2>would hunt and fish like in all our spare time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I grew up more in concrete with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>then in our free time we'd go hunting fishing. So

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was just loved being out in the woods

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd take me with him. So deer hunting, square

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<v Speaker 2>hunt and rabbit and all that stuff basically spent my childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>If I wasn't playing sports or in school, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>me and him were doing. So but anyway, so this

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<v Speaker 2>would have been the time frame I would have been

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<v Speaker 2>in college, so it was somewhere between. If I had

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<v Speaker 2>a guess, November two thousand and four or November two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, it was opening a week of deer season.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember which specific day it was, but in

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<v Speaker 2>Illinois first season back then, I believe it was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would have been one of those days. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it took place north of where I grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>in a really small town called Mount Carroll, Illinois. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look it up on a map, it's off Skunk

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<v Speaker 2>Hollow Road up in Mount Carroll, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of it?

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<v Speaker 3>I have not, But Skunk Callow Road is an interesting name.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Cool? All right? Why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Why does that jump out to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Back in the day, whenever I was going out with

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<v Speaker 3>hitting boots on the ground research, one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>we would look at geographically was place names, old place names,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically hollows and roads and things like that. And skunk

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the things that we'd look for because

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<v Speaker 3>we found that sometimes those places were named that because

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<v Speaker 3>people always smelled skunks whenever they were in the area.

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it's not a skunk, so I just yeah, no, head, devil, monkey.

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<v Speaker 3>Those were all names that we would look for to

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<v Speaker 3>look for potential bigfoot areas.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, that's really cool. I never thought of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, yeah, So my dad was very.

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<v Speaker 1>Passionate about deer hunting. It was like the thing he

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<v Speaker 1>loved to do most.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still alive, he's in his late seventies, but his

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<v Speaker 2>memory is starting to fade a little bit. So at

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<v Speaker 2>least I've asked him some of these questions along the

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<v Speaker 2>way too. I can interject what his thoughts were along

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<v Speaker 2>the way. But anyway, so in that time, so my

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<v Speaker 2>dad was very passionate, and so like we'd be up

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<v Speaker 2>at two thirty in the more because we have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd got to be in the timber at like four

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<v Speaker 2>point thirty. You know, I did not spook anything away.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of those guys, which I certainly appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>about him. But so we get out there super early dark.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd be walking out there with little flashlights or or

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<v Speaker 2>red lights on just to get out there and wait,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd sit for hours before the sunrise would come up.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened this morning. So I get up

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<v Speaker 2>in this deer stand and so we're probably hunting. It's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a fifty acre property or so something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would guess forty acres was a cornfield, and then

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<v Speaker 2>there were ten acres of timber, but the entire field

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<v Speaker 2>or the property we were on had timber like basically

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<v Speaker 2>all around it in kind of a U shape. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, we're hunting ten acres, but we were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of waiting for all the deer. So what I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to say is it was really remote for

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<v Speaker 2>at least northwestern Illinois. It's about as remote, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as you could probably get.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I would hunt at one end.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was at the other end, if I had

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<v Speaker 2>to guess, we were probably three hundred yards apart, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. And so I'm sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>stand that day, and I was at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>this hill looking up at the hillside, so my back

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<v Speaker 2>was the cornfield, and I was right on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of the timber, looking up into the timber, which would

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<v Speaker 2>have been probably I don't know, seventy five or one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred yards up to the crest of the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the hill, and it had to be the sun had

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<v Speaker 2>not been hadn't risen yet, So it's kind of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Twilight I guess we would call it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to guess, I don't know, five thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six o'clock something like that, and when it was just

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get the coloration in the sky, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>just barely the light.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was a fog rolling in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had seen fog plenty of times up there,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not uncommon. But what was weird about this

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<v Speaker 2>one was as it was rolling in, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>rolled i'll say, down the hill. It covered the whole hillside,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would blink very dimly as it went down

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<v Speaker 2>the hill. And so I'm looking up there and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>am I really seeing what I'm seeing? This whole hillside

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<v Speaker 2>would blink, and so the cadence was something like it

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<v Speaker 2>would blink on off, on, off, on off about that tempo,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was weird. And I remember looking around going

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<v Speaker 2>is there a blinking light around here? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>mattis again, as far as this place is concerned, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty remote, man. Yeah, there's farmhouses, but I couldn't see

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<v Speaker 2>anything but one farmhouse and it was like a mile

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<v Speaker 2>behind me, three quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a mile to a mile behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was one of those old, crappy like probably

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<v Speaker 2>sodium fluorescene or sodium lights that we had barely I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it was barely on, but it wasn't but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't flashing, and that was the only thing I could see.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking around and I'm like, what is this again?

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<v Speaker 2>It was dim, It was not bright at all. If

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<v Speaker 2>I had to guess, it was like gray, just like

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<v Speaker 2>the color of the mist or the miss the fog,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, And again off on, I don't know, five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes at most, probably is at least three minutes maybe

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes total about waste height, and it just kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, rolled down the hill and I just

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<v Speaker 2>could not see a light. I had no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on. And so I was like, is that

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<v Speaker 2>fog really blinking? Am I losing it? Is it my

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<v Speaker 2>heart beat?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was almost like my heart beating, And I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it blood flow to my eyes? I mean, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't really place it. But then I'm like, why

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<v Speaker 2>has this never happened before? I've been in the timber,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hundreds, if not thousands of times that early

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<v Speaker 2>and never had an issue, you know. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something unique about that. So I wouldn't say it

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<v Speaker 2>freaked me out, but it was pretty eerie to be

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<v Speaker 2>like what the heck is that it to like pause

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<v Speaker 2>and go, um, I believing what I'm seeing here? You

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<v Speaker 2>know that sort of thing. So yeah, so fast forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I get you'd have to know my dad to understand

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm about to say. But my dad is a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful guy, a good dude, blue collar, hard worker, like

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<v Speaker 2>his integrity is everything to him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't tolerate.

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<v Speaker 2>He would listen to everything I had, but lying and

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<v Speaker 2>making up stuff was not his bag.

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<v Speaker 1>That was definitely something he instilled in me. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there going do I bring this up to

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm either going to get an earfull or he's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna believe me. And on the other side of that,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd make fun of me a little bit, and in

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<v Speaker 2>a good way, like that was our that's our relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, do I want to take the laughter

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to come if I tell him what I

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<v Speaker 2>just saw? So all morning I didn't see it deer

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<v Speaker 2>that day, but all morning I kept going, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>do I bring this up? Because usually around noon or so,

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<v Speaker 2>I would go down to his stand and he had

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I don't know if I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you something, did you?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, did you see the fog too? This morning?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>saw it? And so it was almost like he was

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for me to bring it up because he's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy like between the two of us, he wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to say nothing because he's like, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>one of those hardcore, you know, blue collar guys though,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And and so he once I brought it up,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, you saw the blinking fog too, didn't you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was this on off same cadence and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what the heck is that? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, Chris, I don't know, man, And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he had never seen any anything like that before. My

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge has not seen anything like that after and either

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<v Speaker 2>of I it was a one and done. We both

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<v Speaker 2>saw it, same day, same time, and we're both a

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<v Speaker 2>little nervous to bring it up to each other, but

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<v Speaker 2>once we did, we've talked about it for twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>and his story has never changed and in neither is mine.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's the that's the blinking fog man. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember anything after that. There was an incident that

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<v Speaker 2>I was not there for. This is this is my

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<v Speaker 2>dad's story. This would have been I think after that,

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<v Speaker 2>if I had to guess, it would have been in

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<v Speaker 2>a December, because the reason I say that is it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been deer season. But I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been second season, which is later in December. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in college, I would have to stay

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<v Speaker 2>at college to take finals. It was always around that time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fall semester would end in December, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I would always have to skip day one or

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<v Speaker 2>two so that I could finish five and then drive back.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was one of those. It was either a

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday or a Friday. I don't believe it was the

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<v Speaker 2>same year. I think it was after that. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>walking out to his stand even earlier than what I

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<v Speaker 2>did that day was the blinking fog thing. And the

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<v Speaker 2>funny thing was he never told me what I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you until we had like like years later,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were talking about the fog, and he goes, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>did I ever tell you about this other story? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you're kidding me, you know anyways? Come on, man, Yeah, thanks? Dad, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing to me mad? So he brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes he's walking out to his stand again, he's

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<v Speaker 2>by himself. I'm not there, and he gets in his

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<v Speaker 2>stand and he goes, Chris, the forest next to us

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<v Speaker 2>that we could not hunt and we never we never

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<v Speaker 2>would trespass, but you could see like the whole hillside

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<v Speaker 2>of someone else's timber. He said it exploded in light,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, what do you mean. He goes the

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<v Speaker 2>entire timber lit up, and I'm like, Dad, I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand and like, what do you mean and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, I don't know else to say it, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>the entire timber just exploded in light, like I'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>a spotlight, but it wasn't like headlights or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, are you sure it wasn't a truck

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, no, it wasn't a truck.

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<v Speaker 1>He was I never heard anything. I never heard anybody

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<v Speaker 1>talking like. He goes, there's no one walking out there.

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<v Speaker 1>The light wasn't bouncing like someone was walking.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, the entire timber lit up, like exploded in

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<v Speaker 2>light maybe I don't know, for five to ten seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it went out and never happened again. It

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<v Speaker 2>was as he was walking to a stand, That's what was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was walking through the cornfield and this whole timber

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<v Speaker 2>lit up and I'm like, did you I was joking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, did you see the craft or anything? He goes, Nope, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>never saw anything. It was only the light. And again

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have to know my dad for this part of

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<v Speaker 2>the story. But my dad ain't scared and nothing, man,

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing. That guy wouldn't walk out in the

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<v Speaker 2>timber to go hunting like that stop him and he

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<v Speaker 2>goes Chris. It kind of freaked me out, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hesitated to go to the stand that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>He still went he's the man, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so it sounds like, you know, guys just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like my dad, like my great grandfather that raised me,

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<v Speaker 3>was exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so you know exactly what I mean. Like

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<v Speaker 2>for him to even admit that he was scared was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a big deal. I don't know if scared

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<v Speaker 2>but like frightened or just enough to hesitate and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh crap. Yeah, but he went anyway, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in his late seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>His memory's going a little bit, and so when.

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<v Speaker 2>I ask him questions now about it, be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember that, but it's like the details have

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<v Speaker 2>become fuzzy, if that makes sense. So all I have

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of the story that he told me around

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<v Speaker 2>that time. So so really that's the one man, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the blinking fog and then the explosion in the light

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<v Speaker 2>that my dad saw also a skunk hollow road Carol, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I reached out to you about. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have I'll say I'm cagy maybe that's a good term.

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<v Speaker 2>Or I'm hesitant to share the story with people until

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<v Speaker 2>I get to know them, But I do bring it

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<v Speaker 2>up with friends and acquaintances from time to time, and

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<v Speaker 2>usually I'll I'll just say hey, most of them are

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<v Speaker 2>hunters or campers, and I'll just go, hey, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen anything strange out there?

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And usually I start off with a story about my

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<v Speaker 2>dad and I seeing a mountain lion in the same

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<v Speaker 2>area and they were not there. The DNR said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no such nut here, and I'm like, well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a load of crap, because we've both seen it with

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<v Speaker 2>our own eyes, sitting in the same stand and we

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<v Speaker 2>know there's mountain lions here. And then that gets going,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll be like, hey, have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>or heard of like a blinking fog? And I've brought

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<v Speaker 2>that up no more than twenty times to maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 2>different people, maybe more a dozen to twenty people, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one has ever understood what I was saying. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like, what are you what And I'm like, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly they don't know what I saw.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't seen it, and I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>sat on it for twenty years and I would bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up. But then after I was listening to your

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and honestly, I just appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>How you interview people and no judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, maybe I'll just shoot them in an email,

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<v Speaker 2>because I would imagine you get emails constantly, and not

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<v Speaker 2>everything you hear makes it on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just not enough time. But I was like, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Something people reach out with things other than Bigfoot, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this would be something that you've heard about or

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<v Speaker 2>someone had reached out before. So mainly I was just

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<v Speaker 2>seeing if anyone else has ever run across this blinking

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<v Speaker 2>fog that I call So that's where it came from. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the story.

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<v Speaker 3>So first, like you just said, you were reluctant to

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<v Speaker 3>come on and share. Originally I did ask your permission

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<v Speaker 3>to share the story because it piqued my interest. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to know if anybody else as witnessed this or

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<v Speaker 3>heard of this before. You did agree to come on

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<v Speaker 3>and share the story. Awesome, I'm glad you did.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's worthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. I don't know if it's very cool, but I

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's worthy. But yeah, If anybody out there listening

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<v Speaker 3>has experienced blinking fog or something similar, please please contact me.

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<v Speaker 3>You can send me an email, you can message me

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<v Speaker 3>directly through the website Bigfook Crossroads dot com, find me

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<v Speaker 3>on Facebook or Instagram, wherever you need to reach out at.

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<v Speaker 3>Please do so because I'm sure Chris wants some answers,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want some answers to my first question. This

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<v Speaker 3>is property that you guys hunted yearly for a while?

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<v Speaker 3>I take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were there for a long time, man, probably

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<v Speaker 2>I would guess around two thousand ish too, probably when

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<v Speaker 2>I was done with grad school, med school stuff, so

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been two thousand and ten. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>kept going, I would say twelve to fifteen years. We

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<v Speaker 2>hunted that same piece of property basically every year for

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<v Speaker 2>deer season. Multiple times. Yeah, yes, sir, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>private It was private property. A farmer that my dad

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<v Speaker 2>went to high school with. They remained friends, and he'd

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<v Speaker 2>just go, hey, can we go hunting up there? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like absolutely, So it was just the two of

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<v Speaker 2>us that were only ever in that particular area.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you guys ever talk to the property owner about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Great question? I wish I would have. We didn't. It

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<v Speaker 2>never even dawned on us. And honestly, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if the guy is a great guy and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>good friend of my dad's, but he's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>no nonsense farmer and I think he would have brushed

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<v Speaker 2>it off anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>As like an So I guess I didn't get the

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<v Speaker 1>courage to ask him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and as far as I know, my dad's never

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<v Speaker 2>brought it up. He's had some health problems and so

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<v Speaker 2>I I guess I haven't seen him in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, So long story short, we've not asked him.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a great idea. I should, I really should.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you hear about any other unrelated strange experiences in

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<v Speaker 3>the area growing up from like other people or whenever

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<v Speaker 3>you were asking about the fog? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing, nothing paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we'd have a random wildlife that would come

421
00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>through that would be extremely rare, you know, like wolverines

422
00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that for the area, but like, nothing

423
00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:38.200
<v Speaker 2>weird that I can remember anyway, Nothing like that.

424
00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.799
<v Speaker 1>No, man, not much to go on, is it?

425
00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

426
00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean yes and no. From your description, it

427
00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:51.880
<v Speaker 3>sounds like it was pulsing DeMar and then brighter.

428
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, pulsation or pulsing is a good term for it.

429
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Again at that cadence and when it when it got brighter,

430
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't bright. I'm saying brighter comparison to like when

431
00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.480
<v Speaker 2>it was dark like off and on. Yeah, but when

432
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:09.079
<v Speaker 2>it was on, it was it was dim, but it

433
00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was noticeably there pulsating, yeah, off and on, if that

434
00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:13.680
<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

435
00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 3>And it was rolling down the hill towards your location.

436
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.279
<v Speaker 2>From my right to my left, which is kind of

437
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>where the hill would kind of fall. So it was

438
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.680
<v Speaker 2>like any other rolling fog that you've anyone's probably seen

439
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that's been any time outside, right, But this one was

440
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:35.000
<v Speaker 2>noticeably pulsating is a great term. It is a great term.

441
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:39.839
<v Speaker 3>Manh Did it have a visible top to it or

442
00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.759
<v Speaker 3>did it extend up into the air above where you

443
00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:43.759
<v Speaker 3>could see.

444
00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.720
<v Speaker 2>It? Did have I have a top? If I was

445
00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.559
<v Speaker 2>in my stand, which is twelve to fifteen feet, so

446
00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:53.799
<v Speaker 2>my head would have been fifteen to twenty feet above it.

447
00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.160
<v Speaker 1>If I was on the ground, I would have guessed

448
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it would have been my waist height. I'm six' four

449
00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.559
<v Speaker 1>so probably you, know three or four feet off the. Ground,

450
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.200
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i could see you, know like, fog you can

451
00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>see through it for the most, part but you could

452
00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:13.440
<v Speaker 1>again see it kind of roll down the hill covered

453
00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole. Hillside so from my, perspective WHERE i really

454
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.920
<v Speaker 1>saw the bulk of the i'll say the pulsating or the,

455
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>BLINKING i would have guessed thirty yards something like, that

456
00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:30.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty to thirty yards to WHERE i could really.

457
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.680
<v Speaker 3>See, it so it never encompassed, you.

458
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>No, note just kept rolling down the hill and watched.

459
00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.920
<v Speaker 2>It and then as like as the sky kind of

460
00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.359
<v Speaker 2>the lights came on with the, sun basically it kind

461
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>of faded away or just WHAT i was unable to

462
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:50.920
<v Speaker 2>see it at that, point like it was being i'll,

463
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>say bleached out by the.

464
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Sun any experiences that you recall of missing?

465
00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Time, ooh good. Question, no not THAT i know, Of

466
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.759
<v Speaker 2>not THAT i know, Of AND i THINK i know

467
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>why you're asking If i've heard that question. Before but

468
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>to my, KNOWLEDGE i don't have any experience with missing

469
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>time That i'm aware.

470
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Of, so LIKE i, said you piqued my interest with this.

471
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 3>One and there was one email THAT i had received

472
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 3>a year or two ago from a guy in THE

473
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 3>uk which had just like an amazing story and he

474
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:46.319
<v Speaker 3>actually sent me some materials where there was some historic

475
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 3>case in the area that was similar to his in

476
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 3>what they. Saw they saw it basically what sounds like

477
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 3>a bigfoot, creature but there's some definite things to it

478
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 3>that stand out beyond just like our Typical american bigfoot.

479
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.279
<v Speaker 3>Stuff but one of the things he mentioned was a

480
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 3>mist and that this mist had THESE i think he

481
00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:21.359
<v Speaker 3>used the word kind of like a, pearl iridescent points

482
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:26.440
<v Speaker 3>of light inside the mist that were pulsing brighter and.

483
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:32.519
<v Speaker 3>Dimmer but that was like the closest thing and the

484
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.240
<v Speaker 3>only thing THAT i could remember of mention of anything

485
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 3>that involved like a fog or a mist and like

486
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 3>it behaving. Strangely, Yeah so from THERE i did what

487
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 3>everybody does these, days AND i asked CHAT. Gpt according

488
00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:02.920
<v Speaker 3>to CHAT, gpt this is something that, yeah people have

489
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:10.880
<v Speaker 3>reported before throughout, history different versions of, it pulsing fog

490
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 3>just seemingly to just disappear, suddenly not like, dissipate but

491
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 3>just be gone and then come back the pulsing LIKE i.

492
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:28.599
<v Speaker 3>Said and something kind of interesting was it's oftentimes reported

493
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>IN ufo situations and was actually connected to the famous

494
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 3>accounts Of foo. Fighters so whenever you said that your

495
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 3>dad mentioned the bright flash of. Light that's kind of

496
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:47.400
<v Speaker 3>interesting BECAUSE i mean it kind of goes along in

497
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 3>lines with that sort of. Thing, clearly you did not

498
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.880
<v Speaker 3>see A ufo or you, know any aliens or anything

499
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 3>in the deer.

500
00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Stand, no it definitely definitely not can not see.

501
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 3>That, no missing. Time missing times also something that's brought

502
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 3>up with this sort of.

503
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Thing so for, Myself, No i've never actually asked my

504
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>dad that. Question i'll ask him AND i can follow

505
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 2>up and. See The only downside of that is he's

506
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.559
<v Speaker 2>in his seventies AND i can clearly see his memories

507
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>starting to kind of go a little, Bit SO i

508
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he says, no it's still, maybe you

509
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 2>know WHAT i. Mean SO i don't know how trustworthy

510
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>it would. Be but BUT i can ask him and.

511
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>See but that wouldn't that be? Wild can't?

512
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah at least there are some instances where, like

513
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 3>you're not the only people in existence to experience this

514
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 3>sort of. Thing apparently it's something that other people have.

515
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 3>EXPERIENCED i can send you the information that it gave.

516
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Me how correct and accurate that information IS i don't,

517
00:27:54.519 --> 00:28:00.240
<v Speaker 3>know but it it did there were several different uh you,

518
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 3>know it went through the whole cabitt of like, yeah in,

519
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 3>folklore these things are, said and then this, happened and

520
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 3>this sas said and all, that and then here's like

521
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 3>some natural phenomenon that take, place, Right and SO i

522
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 3>then inquired, Specifically, okay well let's just narrow it down

523
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 3>specifically to this type of behavior and would that potentially

524
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 3>be explained by some naturally occurring? Phenomenon and CHAT gpt

525
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 3>was like, no not, really so, like, YEAH i don't

526
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 3>really know what to make of. THAT i don't know

527
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 3>how accurate that, is LIKE i, said but it's something

528
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>where apparently there is a breadcrumb trail that can be

529
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 3>followed a little bit more and maybe there's some you,

530
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 3>know documented cases of this that you or you AND

531
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 3>i could look.

532
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.039
<v Speaker 2>INTO i, mean that's super.

533
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Cool that's super. COOL i GUESS i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have.

534
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Guessed you mentioned missed versus, fog just just So i'm

535
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>being clear and What i'm trying to. DESCRIBE i think

536
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>it was way more fog than missed in my, experience

537
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.039
<v Speaker 2>just to be clear on. That it looks just like

538
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>fog to, me like regular. Fog, Right so, yeah, man

539
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty.

540
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Cool, man that's pretty.

541
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Strange what's the nearest like body of water to this?

542
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Location so The Mississippi river is probably the main.

543
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Thing, well, no now That i'm thinking about, IT i

544
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>mean from a Landmark. Misissippi but there, is as the

545
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>crow flies kind of through the timber to someone else's,

546
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 2>property there are i'll say two retention lakes are kind

547
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>of square shaped to the northeast of this. Property they're

548
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 2>probably the size of a football field or, less would

549
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 2>be my. Guest two of. Those is? That so is

550
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that you talking about like a farm. Pod it's basically

551
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 2>like a farm pond and like a rectangle or square. Shape. Right,

552
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.839
<v Speaker 2>yeah they're like two right next to each, other with

553
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.759
<v Speaker 2>like a road right in between. Them but there there

554
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 2>was a creek that ran right through the middle of the,

555
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>cornfield but at most it would have BEEN i don't,

556
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>know the cafe deep ankle deep for the most, part you,

557
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 2>know that sort of.

558
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Thing so but other than, that that was.

559
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 3>It any electrical right of ways.

560
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Let me, Think, NO i don't remember seeing any of.

561
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Those just regular power lines going down the of, course

562
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the roads and all that to feed the.

563
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Farmhouses but no of.

564
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>The gigantic power power. Line nothing like that THAT i can.

565
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Remember any railroads.

566
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Railroads uh not near, There, Nope, no not THAT i can.

567
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Remember, man you are not checking any of the. Boxes i'm.

568
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Not i'm, Sorry, MAN i WISH i.

569
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 3>Was, No, no this is the kind of STUFF i,

570
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 3>like this. Is this is something, new. MAN i just

571
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 3>WISH i had some. Answers just the fact.

572
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>That you're willing to listen and just maybe he'll broadcast

573
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 2>it out there and see if anyone else has more.

574
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Experience like that's, cool, MAN i really appreciate, That like

575
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 2>this is it's not eating away at my, brain but

576
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it comes up from time to time And i'm, LIKE i, wonder, yeah.

577
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.319
<v Speaker 1>If anyone else has noticed.

578
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>That and SO i appreciate you just listening and maybe

579
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 2>you know the platform to share. That that's totally. Cool.

580
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah of, course speaking of, which you did send me

581
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 3>some interesting.

582
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Photos, yeah we can talk about that if you. Want.

583
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah so you were listening to a guest on an.

584
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Episode, yeah, yes, YEAH i. WAS i.

585
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>WAS i heard an. ENCOUNTER i am so fascinated with

586
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the Big foot.

587
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Topic it's just a fun, topic you know for me

588
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>AND i don't have any answers to, anything BUT i

589
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>heard this particular, encounter witness his experience and kind of

590
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>what he was, doing AND i kind of reconstructed where

591
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 2>he was. Talking he said some clues in his, interview

592
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>AND i was, like that sounds, familiar AND i slowly

593
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 2>pieced it, together and In april of twenty twenty, FOUR

594
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>i was driving back to my. HOMETOWN i live in

595
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.839
<v Speaker 2>The memphis area, now BUT i was driving home Towards, Fulton,

596
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>illinois WHERE i grew.

597
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Up my mom was having surgery at a local.

598
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 2>University she had a brain tumor and is doing well,

599
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>now but she was going to go through, that and

600
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>SO i was just driving home to be there to

601
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>support her and my dad as that. Happened AND i

602
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 2>had a little downtime AND i REALIZED i was going

603
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>right by this, place and so it was really a

604
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 2>very short detour on the way up to see my,

605
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>parents and SO i.

606
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Was by, myself and SO i was, like let me

607
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>go check this place. Out and so it was in Southeast,

608
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>missouri north Of Cape.

609
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 2>GIRARDO i pieced it together and found This it's The

610
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Apple Creek conservancy, there AND i was, LIKE i could

611
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 2>get that, far AND i started walking around AND i

612
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>found this trail AND i just walked up it like

613
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 2>hiking up. It it was Not it's not a trail

614
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 2>like game trail or hiking trail per. Se it was

615
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a utility. Trail they were putting

616
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>in power. Poles AND i followed it for about a

617
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 2>mile and ran across maybe maybe some, footprints and that's

618
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i sent you some tracks. There they were not

619
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>the greatest, quality to be. HONEST i stopped on the

620
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>way there and then on the way back from over

621
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 2>a few days and it had rained and kind of

622
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>washed it. OUT i didn't even think about taking pictures

623
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.760
<v Speaker 2>WHEN i the first, time BUT i saw them and

624
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>they to, me they looked clearer than the pictures THAT i,

625
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 2>got you, know a couple of days. Prior BUT i

626
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>should have coulda. Would so on the way, BACK i was,

627
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i should really stop and take a. Picture so

628
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 2>after thinking about, IT i. Stopped put my driver's license

629
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>next to the. IMPRESSIONS i guess probably better to call

630
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 2>it an impression than a, TRACK i suppose for size,

631
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Comparison AND i took three pictures AND i sent them

632
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>to you again admittedly they're they're not great. Quality, man

633
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>if you look IN i feel, like if you squit really,

634
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.199
<v Speaker 2>hard maybe you can make out some. Toes but it

635
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>was really weird WHERE i followed this, Track, LIKE i

636
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 2>don't think people go up. There it was behind a gun.

637
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Range it was probably risky to do. That no one

638
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>was shooting that, day, thankfully but, like who would walk

639
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>up behind a gun?

640
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Range you know? Otherwise and you.

641
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Know and THEN i found these tracks right on the

642
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 2>right in this little, opening and that's WHAT i took

643
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the pictures. OF i never did the calculation for however

644
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>big the driver's.

645
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>License, is to compare to the.

646
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 2>TRACK i don't know WHY i didn't do, That but

647
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.519
<v Speaker 2>IF i had to, GUESS i don't, know thirteen fourteen

648
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.159
<v Speaker 2>inches MAYBE i.

649
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Don't what do you think or have you that you've

650
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 1>seen it?

651
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Yet, YEAH i was going to say probably between twelve

652
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 3>and fifteen.

653
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Inches, yeah that sounds very. REASONABLE i remember putting my

654
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>boot next to. It i'm around at twelve and a

655
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>half or, thirteen and it was wider than my boot

656
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and a little bit.

657
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Bigger so that's kind of WHERE i was just.

658
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Guessing and AGAIN i don't, KNOW i hate to, say,

659
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>yes these are what they, are BUT i wanted to

660
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>pass them along and see what your thoughts would. BE i,

661
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 2>mean you've probably seen clearly way more THAN i ever

662
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>dreamed of, seeing and it was kind of cool THAT

663
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.159
<v Speaker 2>i could kind of reconstruct it and kind of go

664
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to that area and just kind of EITHER i got

665
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>lucky Or I'm i'm fooling myself into thinking it's something,

666
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 2>not you know WHAT i.

667
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Mean, WELL i mean they're the right, shape and they're

668
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 3>in a good, location and you, know one end of

669
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 3>the track is rounded like a hill and the other

670
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>one is kind of jagged like. Toes they're pressed down

671
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 3>into the. Ground your feet were not pressing down into the,

672
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.840
<v Speaker 3>GROUND i would assume not like.

673
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 1>That it wasn't definitely.

674
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 3>NOT i, mean it's they're very, defined which to me

675
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 3>tells me that there's some weight behind. Them you, know

676
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.800
<v Speaker 3>usually our own tracks on you, know just regular ground

677
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 3>surface that you don't leave like a solid impression like.

678
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 3>That sometimes you can if the ground's wet enough and

679
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 3>soft enough in the right, substrate with you, know a

680
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>hard sold shoe or, whatever because of the you, know

681
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 3>the density of the sole of the. Shoe but a

682
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 3>barefoot doesn't leave a clear impression like that unless you've

683
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.000
<v Speaker 3>got some serious weight behind. It they were definitely too

684
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>wide to be a human, foot even if there was

685
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.119
<v Speaker 3>some sort of you, know you're six or, four so

686
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 3>maybe there was like a seven foot tall guy with

687
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 3>giant feet walking around barefoot out behind the gun. Range,

688
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 3>yeah it.

689
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound very likely where this. WAS i, mean it

690
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>was it was, rocky and that was the other. THING

691
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 2>i was, like, barefoot is it? Possible you're right gun? Range?

692
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Uphill you're basically walking on partly up there on like, gravel,

693
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 2>right and like who would walk up? There and on

694
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>my way up there actually saw a pretty big Snake

695
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And i'm, like who would be walking around up your

696
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>barefoot in gravel behind a gun range clearly in snake?

697
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Territory LIKE i don't.

698
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 3>KNOW i just know you you would be doing all.

699
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm not that courageous. Man i'm

700
00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a big whimp when it.

701
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Comes to that. Stuff and the best thing, is like

702
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 3>you found the location based on a, witness.

703
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>You, know, yeah pieced it.

704
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Together and ACTUALLY i tracked him down and we had

705
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 2>an exchange over email, too just and he was, like,

706
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>yeah we usually don't check that, area he, Was they

707
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>go somewhere else on that that, Proper i'll, say the,

708
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 2>property but like that state, land they don't really go up.

709
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>There SO i thought that was cool one and whatnot from?

710
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>There so, yeah, Man so as far AS i, know

711
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 2>those are the the fog and these potential questionable bigfoot

712
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>tracks or the weirdest things THAT i know of That

713
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 2>i've experienced in the.

714
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 3>Woods, WELL i appreciate you coming on here and talking

715
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 3>about it and sharing those, experiences and hopefully somebody out

716
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 3>there listening can shed a little light on the blinking

717
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 3>fog and we'll reach out And i'll connect.

718
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 2>You that'd be. Awesome. Man, hey if you if you got,

719
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>time COULD i ask you one other question or discuss something?

720
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Quick is that? Cool?

721
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah of, course.

722
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 2>So. HOPFU i won't give my entire WHO i am,

723
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 2>away But i'm an eye doctor by, training and so

724
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the eyes intrigued me.

725
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Greatly i'll say.

726
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 2>That and my understanding, is and please correct me If i'm,

727
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>wrong that there are many who believe That bigfoot can see. Infrared, yes,

728
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.679
<v Speaker 2>yes that is a fair.

729
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Statement there are a large number of people that Believe

730
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 3>bigfoot can see into the infrared.

731
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Spectrum that's pretty.

732
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Wild SO i may not be the best, SUBJECT i,

733
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 2>mean But i'll share WHAT i know and WHAT i,

734
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:53.840
<v Speaker 2>think knowing that it's just a.

735
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Theory how about.

736
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 2>THAT i don't want to like stand on, it you,

737
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>know But i've been wondering for a. While so to my.

738
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Job the background here Is i've Mentioned i'm an eye,

739
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>doctor but part of my background IS i do some

740
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:11.559
<v Speaker 2>of our clinical what we call. Electrophysiology it's where we

741
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.880
<v Speaker 2>flash lights into people's eyes and we watch or we

742
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>measure the signal that is produced due to different strengths

743
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and or sometimes even colors of. Light if that does

744
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that track so? Far?

745
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah and SO i know that with that particular

746
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.199
<v Speaker 4>test we can set the stage to kind of tease

747
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 4>apart the photoreceptors in the back of the eye of the, retina,

748
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 4>right and so there's two main. Photoreceptors we have rods and.

749
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Combes and forgive me.

750
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 2>If i'm insulting your, Intelligence i'm just being very clear, here.

751
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 3>A third grade, level.

752
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Fair, enough. Man so with, rods they're very very sensitive

753
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 2>at detecting small amounts of, light just like that's kind

754
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 2>of what we see in dim light, conditions but they're

755
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 2>not good at discriminating. Color it's basically saying yes or,

756
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>no there's a light, there, right just a little. Bit

757
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>so that's what we use predominantly in low light conditions

758
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>or darkner. Conditions, well on the other end of the,

759
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.880
<v Speaker 2>spectrum we have cones of the second type of, photoreceptors

760
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and generally with the, cones we have three types of

761
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>cones and normal, individuals we have a cone that's sensitive to,

762
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>red so it's hees red. Better you have a cone

763
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 2>that sees better with, green so it sees green. Better

764
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and then we have a third one. Blue so with our,

765
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>eyes by combining different amounts of, red, green and, blue

766
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that's where we see all of these colors from all around,

767
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Speaker 2>us if that makes, sense, Right and.

768
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>We only see a small.

769
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Sliver of the electromagnetic radiation that's actually going on around,

770
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>us so we call it the visible. Spectrum it's based

771
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>upon wavelength of, light because all electromenetic radiation is a, wavelength,

772
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>right and so it's around four hundred to seven hundred

773
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 2>if we really want to mensure, IT i think it's

774
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>like three hundred and eighty nanimeters to maybe seven hundred

775
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 2>and fifty nanometers and the higher, end the seven to fifty,

776
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>end is kind of where red and infrared kind of

777
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 2>are near each, other especially get up in the eight

778
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 2>hundreds and above that for a little. Bit so, anyway

779
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the REASON i set the stage there is it got

780
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 2>me thinking that if the, infrared if they can see,

781
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 2>infrared that kind of makes, sense whether if they're walking

782
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>around in the. Dark it makes me wonder if if

783
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>we're able to compare retinas to what we know about,

784
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 2>humans which is which is a leap, admittedly but just

785
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 2>like as a starting, point we generally have about one

786
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty million rods in our, eyes and we

787
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>have six to seven million cones in our eyes as,

788
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Well and it makes me, wonder are there different types of,

789
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 2>photoreceptors or different ratios or maybe different spreading out of

790
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 2>the photoreceptors in the back of the eyes that make

791
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>them likely to see the? Infrared if that makes. Sense

792
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 2>SO i guess What i'm posing, is is there really

793
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 2>an anatomical thing that if we were to get our

794
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>hands on a bigfoot, retina you, know or, whatever could

795
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 2>we predict that they would have different types of cones

796
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 2>or rods that were compared or that we would see in,

797
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 2>HUMANS i guess What i'm. Saying and on top of,

798
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 2>that IF i were to take a, Leap now this

799
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>is a. Theory. MAN i almost sound silly bringing this,

800
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 2>out But i've just thought about, it And i'm just

801
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>posing the. Question, right if humans can only see up

802
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to say seven hundred or seven, fifty if you go

803
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.199
<v Speaker 2>a little bit above that in the red spectrum that's

804
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:48.239
<v Speaker 2>where the infrared comes. In what if they have more

805
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 2>red cones than green or blue and they're just slightly

806
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 2>more sensitive to that spectrum of. Color if they have

807
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>more and they're more, sensitive and at the expense of

808
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 2>downgrading the green and blue and the, rods they might

809
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 2>be color, deficient, right because you need three cones in

810
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 2>order to see detect color how we see it as, humans,

811
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Right and that's definitely been shown in, humans, right as

812
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>far as color deficiency more common in men than women

813
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 2>and things like. That and so the REASON i wonder

814
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 2>if that's important is and this is where AGAIN i

815
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>almost seem stupid saying.

816
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 1>This i'm just posing, it.

817
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Right you don't sound. Stupid if you sound, stupid THEN

818
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 3>i sound stupid because this is something THAT i have

819
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 3>rattled around in my head for. Decades, OH i got

820
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 3>good at one point in. TIME i went down the

821
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.480
<v Speaker 3>eyesight rabbit hole and learned all of this information that

822
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about right, now AND i think we ended

823
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 3>up at the same, place which means a lot to

824
00:44:59.119 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 3>me since you're an.

825
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Id, well that's pretty cool man that. YOU i, mean

826
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you beat me to, it. Obviously but so here's the

827
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 2>next step beyond. That if if they are color, deficient

828
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>AND i don't know how we could do, this but

829
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>if certain cameras you could play with the wavelength of,

830
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:23.079
<v Speaker 2>light could we find one that they can't see and

831
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 2>get better luck at detecting? Them does that make sense

832
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>using like a variation instead of the one standard infrared

833
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 2>for the trigger that they clearly at least from WHAT i,

834
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Gather and you tell me If i'm. Wrong they seem

835
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 2>to see, that or that's the theory that they see.

836
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 2>It So i'm always, wondered if we change that wavelength

837
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>a little, bit is it possible that we could hide

838
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>in plain sight AND i have them not see. It so,

839
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>anyway that's my. Theory SO i went from background to

840
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe color, blind and then the next step would, be

841
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>could we design a camera to test that theory and

842
00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 2>see where it?

843
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Goes so, anyway man just nerd?

844
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Out There, no, NO i like nerding. Out so let

845
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 3>me see if we ended up at the same, place

846
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 3>WHICH i think we. Did so WHENEVER i was looking

847
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 3>at all, this see this is the, PROBLEM i get.

848
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Sidetracked SO i reached. OUT i looked up the person

849
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 3>that seemed to be the leading authority on mammalian, eyesight

850
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 3>specifically primate eyesight in The United. States he was a

851
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 3>professor at a. UNIVERSITY i don't remember specifically his name

852
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 3>or the. University it's been a really long. TIME i

853
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 3>emailed the guy through the UNIVERSITY i, did AND i

854
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 3>just took a leap of faith AND i, Said, hey

855
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 3>this is WHO i. Am you, know humor. Me if

856
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 3>these things, exist and if they are a, primate would

857
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 3>they be able to see in the infrared? Spectrum and

858
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 3>his response was an explanation of how there's no primates

859
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 3>that we're aware of that can do. That there's you,

860
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 3>know certain animals with specialized sensory organs like, snakes you,

861
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 3>know pit vipers and things like that that can sense

862
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 3>infrared or. Whatever but he went further to explain that

863
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 3>The sun produces a tremendous amount of infrared and that

864
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 3>if something had the ability to see, infrared it would

865
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 3>pretty much be blinded during daylight hours because of all

866
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.159
<v Speaker 3>the infrared that's produced by The. Sun it would be

867
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 3>way brighter to it than it is to. Us so

868
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 3>that would be my question to you first is if

869
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 3>something did have the ability to see in, infrared would

870
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 3>that be the? Case would it just be blinded all

871
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 3>the time by all the infrared that's around that we

872
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 3>can't normally. See, man that's a great. Question i've not

873
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.679
<v Speaker 3>thought it through that. Far IF i had to, guess

874
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 3>and this is.

875
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Me, layman, LIKE i may change my mind IF i

876
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 2>do some digging and maybe talk more about. It, Right

877
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>but IF i had to guess there is a ton

878
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of visible light coming from The sun that we do,

879
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>see why would that be different than?

880
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 1>INFRARED i don't.

881
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Understand the infrared is more heat and it's, wavelength, Right

882
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.079
<v Speaker 2>it's just, wavelength and so we're in the Same we're

883
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 2>not even like that crazy high beyond some of the

884
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 2>visible light as far as the wavelengths and all. That

885
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 2>So i'm, like, well wouldn't they be blind with any

886
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of the other light coming off the, Sun like there

887
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 2>is an incredible, amount don't get me, wrong but there's

888
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 2>ALSO uv A uv B ubc visible, spectrum and then

889
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the. Infrared LIKE i don't, KNOW i GUESS

890
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 2>i would For i've never looked in an infrared camera

891
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 2>just as a rough jumping off point in the, Daylight,

892
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 2>like is everything just like washed?

893
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.599
<v Speaker 1>OUT i would, assume Like i've never spent much.

894
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Time, yeah so maybe that's what he's.

895
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Inferencing, yeah like back in the day using like night,

896
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 3>vision if you turn it on in like daylight or light,

897
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.280
<v Speaker 3>situations it just it ruins. It it actually broke the,

898
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 3>device so it flooded The, yeah it flooded the receptors or.

899
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 3>Whatever BUT i mean, again we're talking about, Wavelength so

900
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 3>the infrared coming off the sun could be a much

901
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.400
<v Speaker 3>greater wavelength or you know What i'm saying completely AND

902
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:50.079
<v Speaker 3>i follow higher wavelength than what they would be able to.

903
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 2>See. Yeah maybe now when you when your when your camera,

904
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.679
<v Speaker 2>broke were you looking at the sun with it or

905
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 2>were you just looking at the environment and it.

906
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Broke, no it was just an in general thing like

907
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 3>you you couldn't have them like, you like you never

908
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 3>wanted to turn your night vision on in like a

909
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 3>room that had the light, on because it would just

910
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:14.320
<v Speaker 3>break it it was too much light coming.

911
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.159
<v Speaker 2>In Because i'm not an expert, there SO i don't

912
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>want to leave anyone, astray but it's just it's a.

913
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Guess, well and you're way more educated on the subject

914
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:28.239
<v Speaker 3>THAN i. Am but my so to go on what

915
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about and my own, research the CONCLUSION

916
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.880
<v Speaker 3>i reached was that there was a possibility that they

917
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 3>would have a higher number of rods than what we would.

918
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 3>Have and if the cones were a different, ratio like you're,

919
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.480
<v Speaker 3>saying where they could see in the, infrared and that

920
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.800
<v Speaker 3>most likely meant that they would be more color deficient

921
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 3>in the blue spectrum.

922
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Potentially, yeah the if you so of the cones the, red,

923
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 2>green and, blue let's say, it the red and green will.

924
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Dominate and yes there's blue in, there there's just not as,

925
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 2>many if that makes. Sense and so when you combine

926
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the red and, green you get as far as maximal,

927
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.760
<v Speaker 2>sensitivity you get tennis ball. Yellow that's why tennis balls are.

928
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yellow that's where our eyes have their highest, coloring, right

929
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 2>there they overlap right at that tennis ball yellow and

930
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>then so, yeah potentially it just it depends on how

931
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the ratio would. Go if it leans more towards red

932
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's less green or blue than those spectral curves

933
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>can shift a little.

934
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Bit and, yeah they.

935
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Might have a harder time with blue as an. Example

936
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 2>so then i'd, go, well can you develop a camera

937
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 2>with like blue or start with?

938
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Green you?

939
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Know in? Humans again we don't, know but in humans

940
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the most common color defficiency is either red or, Green

941
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and so, yeah LOGICALLY i might play around with the

942
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>red or green spectrum BEFORE i did the, blue just

943
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 2>to kind of see if we could find like a

944
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>wavelength that might be less detectable or something like. That

945
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's funny you brought up the, rods because the

946
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 2>rods can't detect. Color so if there were less less

947
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 2>cones and way more, rods they'd be very sensitive for

948
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.599
<v Speaker 2>like walking around at night and things like. That but

949
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>absolutely THEN i would think their color vision would decrease

950
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>significantly if a lot of that was shifted one way

951
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>or the. Other, now, again these are my. THEORIES i

952
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 2>don't want to claim to be an. Expert it's just

953
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.000
<v Speaker 2>little Things i've thought about AND i just wanted to

954
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 2>bounce them off of you and see what your thoughts.

955
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Were and sounds like we're kind of thinking similar. Things

956
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 2>that's really cool that you reached out to like a

957
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>vision expert like. That i'm not familiar with that ONE i.

958
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Do this person does not know, me BUT i know of.

959
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Them there's One university Of houston that does some comparative.

960
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>ANATOMY i understand it with retinas of you, know apes

961
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and things like. That and so IF i could and

962
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe that would be something that'd be awesome if you

963
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 2>could interview her or something like, that, yeah and agree to.

964
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>It so AGAIN i don't know, her but but, anyway

965
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that would be kind of. Cool that was one anyway

966
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 2>those on my other questions was, like have you ever

967
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.920
<v Speaker 2>interviewed someone that like an ocular comparative anatomy? Professor you

968
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>know that sort of, Thing and clearly you have based

969
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>upon what you've.

970
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Said SO i emailed one.

971
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Once that's.

972
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.519
<v Speaker 3>OKAY i would love to find one that's interested in

973
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 3>the subject and is open minded to it to talk

974
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 3>to about all this. Stuff another thing that fascinates me

975
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 3>THAT i have a hard time understanding from a logical

976
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 3>standpoint is the report worts of eye, glow where witnesses

977
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 3>are reporting eyes producing their own, light that it's definitely

978
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:12.800
<v Speaker 3>not a reflection from a tape tom, lucidum that it's

979
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 3>actually producing a glowing usually a red. Color and for,

980
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 3>ME i just how would, that even even if the

981
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 3>science was, there even if the chemistry was there where

982
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 3>there's some sort of you, know bioluminescence thing, happening why

983
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 3>would it be in the. Eyes that seems counterproductive to.

984
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Me, YEAH i, mean if you're having your own light produced,

985
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>inside so the goal of the eyes is to catch

986
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.239
<v Speaker 2>light from the, environment not really send it back out,

987
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Right AND i mean it's been a long time Since

988
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.280
<v Speaker 2>i've looked at that particular part of, it BUT i

989
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.360
<v Speaker 2>feel like that would make your vision. Worse like that

990
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 2>would be the worst thing you could do for, vision

991
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 2>because if you're projecting light, out then the light it's

992
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>going to bleach the light getting in that you would

993
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>use to.

994
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:04.679
<v Speaker 1>See so, so.

995
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 2>And IF i understand it, right the tap of them

996
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>lucidam is not found in, apes not found in. Mammals not, Mammals,

997
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Sorry i'm, sorry not. MAMMALS i meant apes, sorry.

998
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 3>One PRIMATE i think that has it that's nocturnal entirely

999
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's you, know, Nothing it's not like an, ape

1000
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.840
<v Speaker 3>it's a something entirely, different.

1001
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha SO i, mean SO i don't know the tap

1002
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.519
<v Speaker 2>of the lucidam. Thing MAYBE i, mean if it's found

1003
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 2>in other nocturnal, animals and then maybe that would be

1004
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>something to think.

1005
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 1>About, AGAIN i would just be.

1006
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Guessing BUT i do know that if you're part here's

1007
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i THINK i shouldn't.

1008
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Say, no here's my theory on.

1009
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 2>This if their eyes are as big as what people

1010
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>witnesses report that have seen, THEM i mean they describe ginormous,

1011
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>eyes like huge, Ones so then their pupils would be

1012
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>way bigger than what we would have right in.

1013
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:07.400
<v Speaker 1>The same type of.

1014
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Illumination and if they're seeing them at, night obviously the

1015
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>pupils are going to be ginormous compared to. Normal and

1016
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the back of the eye there is a layer called the,

1017
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.639
<v Speaker 2>choroid which is like a big bloody, sponge and its

1018
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 2>job is to bring nutrients to the, eye flush it,

1019
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 2>out keep the temperature down so we don't burnt holes

1020
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 2>in our. Eyes and the choroid has depending on how

1021
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.599
<v Speaker 2>you measure it either is one or two in the

1022
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>highest blood flow in the entire body per unit, Volume

1023
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.159
<v Speaker 2>so it's depending on how you. Measure it goes back

1024
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and forth between the coid and the, kidneys if, that you.

1025
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Know and So i'm going there's a high amount of blood.

1026
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Flow is the reddish color just from the pupils being

1027
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 2>huge in the in the dark and it's reflecting the

1028
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>ambient light even though it's super. Dark it doesn't mean

1029
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 2>that there's not just a little bit. There, SPECIFICALLY i

1030
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 2>don't infrared absorbs infrared and then you get kind of

1031
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a reddish glow coming back. Out could that be? It

1032
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 2>you know WHAT i?

1033
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Mean or like the red eyes on cameras and things like.

1034
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 3>That, YEAH i mean that was another thing THAT i

1035
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 3>thought about was if there is some sort of reflective

1036
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 3>membrane that they have to help them in their night.

1037
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Vision is it potentially possible that with the larger eyes

1038
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>and the larger, pupils like you're, saying taking in more,

1039
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 3>light that it maybe bounces around to magnify the amount of,

1040
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.360
<v Speaker 3>light so it spends more time in the eye processing the,

1041
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:51.239
<v Speaker 3>light and because of, this it changes the wavelength and

1042
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:52.039
<v Speaker 3>produces a red.

1043
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Light, yeah we have cameras that we shine into people's

1044
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:02.039
<v Speaker 2>eyes and we selectively let wavelengths come out to give

1045
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 2>us different information about the.

1046
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Back so, like for, example we could.

1047
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Shine in, uh you, KNOW i would WHAT i guess

1048
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>like a like a like a bluish light into the

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00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.199
<v Speaker 2>back of the eyes and then we can get like

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<v Speaker 2>a greenish color. Out so it's not out of the

1051
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<v Speaker 2>realm of possibility that you shine one wavelength in and

1052
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<v Speaker 2>it gets absorbed or changed comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>Slightly, different if that makes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense we do that for florescian angiographies and like just

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<v Speaker 2>it's a oh electronic like excitation and uh fluorescence and

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<v Speaker 2>things like. That so there's different ways to do. That,

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<v Speaker 2>man IF i have any of my colleagues out there

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00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that they might just like. Rip these are all theories

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<v Speaker 2>And i'm just having, fun like nerd and, Out so

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<v Speaker 2>please don't take WHAT i say as. Gospel they're just

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00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 2>ideas based upon what i've you, know What i've learned

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00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 2>and WHAT i do and just a jumping off point

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00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 2>AND i am open to any criticism or anything like.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's just fun to think, about, Right and sometimes

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00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.559
<v Speaker 2>this converse stimulate other ideas and like, huh or maybe

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00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.400
<v Speaker 2>someone comes out and corrects, me or maybe they're, like,

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00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.519
<v Speaker 2>no maybe that is. True and then you, know we

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<v Speaker 2>just having the dialogue to be, like, hey what if

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<v Speaker 2>or what? About this opens up so many. DOORS i

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you agree with, that but it's been helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>For, me, absolutely AND i appreciate. IT i appreciate you

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<v Speaker 3>taking the time to throw this stuff out there and

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<v Speaker 3>talk about. IT i, MEAN i enjoy. IT i know

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<v Speaker 3>the listeners enjoy hearing that sort of, thing at least

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00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.320
<v Speaker 3>some of. Them and you, know you got me thinking

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00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 3>about THINGS i haven't thought about in a long. Time, awesome, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, WELL i can't thank you enough for just letting,

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00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 2>me you, know babble on and share my. Experience. MATT

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<v Speaker 2>i really appreciate. IT i really really. Do thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for taking the time to just hang out for a little.

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<v Speaker 3>While, oh no. PROBLEM i appreciate you coming on and

1082
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:51.559
<v Speaker 3>taking the leap of, faith and hopefully it will open

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<v Speaker 3>some new.

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<v Speaker 1>Doors that'd be pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome that'd be pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome if you've had your own encounter with bigfoot or

1087
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 3>blinking fog or something else you can't, explain you'd like

1088
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 3>to share your story on The Bigfoot crossroads, podcast email

1089
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 3>me At Bigfoot crossroads at gmail dot. Com check out

1090
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.079
<v Speaker 3>the Website bigfootcrossroads dot. Com you can find links to social,

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01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 3>media past, episodes, merchandise everything you need all in one.

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01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Place and until next, time, remember just LIKE i, said

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<v Speaker 3>there's something in the. Woods