Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there, going do I bring this up
Speaker 1: to my dad?
Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earful or he's
Speaker 2: not going to believe me. I kept going, all right,
Speaker 2: do I bring this up? And I was I was
Speaker 2: trying to get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know if I want
Speaker 2: to get an earful here or not. And I finally
Speaker 2: got the courage and I'm like, Dad, Man, I got
Speaker 2: to ask you something, did you?
Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too?
Speaker 2: This morning? And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man,
Speaker 2: Like you saw it? And so it was almost like
Speaker 2: he was waiting for me to bring it up. Once
Speaker 2: I brought it up, He's like, you saw the blinking fogs?
Speaker 1: Who didn't you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
Speaker 2: same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
Speaker 2: but it was this on off, same cadence and everything,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the heck is that? And
Speaker 2: he's like, Chris, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3: At the end of each episode, I like to remind
Speaker 3: people that there's something in the woods, and sometimes that's
Speaker 3: not Bigfoot. There's other things out there that people experience
Speaker 3: that we don't have an explanation for that hasn't been proven,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't make them any less real. And my
Speaker 3: guest on this episode is a person that has experienced
Speaker 3: one of those things that has really intrigued me, and
Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to have him agree to come
Speaker 3: on and talk about it. Chris, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.
Speaker 1: I Matt, thanks for having me man.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate the opportunity to share my experience and
Speaker 2: see if anyone else has experienced this as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so before we get to that, you're a listener
Speaker 3: and enjoyer, I hope a Bigfoot podcast around the internet.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, listen to them all the time.
Speaker 3: Boy, got you interested in that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Good question. So my dad is kind of an outdoorsy
Speaker 2: guy and loved all the National Geographic and all those
Speaker 2: kind of mystery things growing up, and I just remember
Speaker 2: him watching a documentary on the Patterson Gimblin film and
Speaker 2: watching the film and being like, Wow, what if something's
Speaker 2: out there like that? And so that was when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. I don't know, probably eight or less.
Speaker 2: Hard to say, but it would probably been in the
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties when I saw it and piqued
Speaker 2: my interests. I've been curious about it ever since, ever since.
Speaker 1: So that's where it started.
Speaker 3: Now, did you have experiences growing up or anything with
Speaker 3: you know, what I call the unexplained paranormal cryptids and
Speaker 3: anything like that.
Speaker 2: A good question. No, I really haven't. The experience we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about is really the only thing I
Speaker 2: can think of that ever was like weird enough to mention.
Speaker 2: So now I didn't have any paranormal anything happened growing up? Nope.
Speaker 3: I think that's important to mention, you know. I like
Speaker 3: to point out that sometimes there are people out there
Speaker 3: who they'll experience something, or they'll have like kind of
Speaker 3: a lifelong thing going on where they experience one thing
Speaker 3: after another, or sometimes they experience something and then they
Speaker 3: start experiencing other things. But then every once in a
Speaker 3: while that's not the case. Sometimes there's a person who's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: nothing ever happened until this happened. That's it, and that's
Speaker 3: kind of where you're at. And so yeah, let's just
Speaker 3: get right into it walk us through everything. You know,
Speaker 3: what was going on that day, what you were doing,
Speaker 3: and what you experienced.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: At any point you want me to clarify or have
Speaker 2: a question, please interrupt me. I don't mind.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a small town.
Speaker 2: In northwestern Illinois.
Speaker 1: It's called Sulton, Illinois if you look it up.
Speaker 2: It's around the Missippi River right on the Highway Illinois border.
Speaker 2: So I like to joke that I'm a redneck and
Speaker 2: a river rat combined. But my dad and I we
Speaker 2: would hunt and fish like in all our spare time.
Speaker 2: So I grew up more in concrete with him, and
Speaker 2: then in our free time we'd go hunting fishing. So
Speaker 2: my dad was just loved being out in the woods
Speaker 2: and he'd take me with him. So deer hunting, square
Speaker 2: hunt and rabbit and all that stuff basically spent my childhood.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't playing sports or in school, that's what
Speaker 2: me and him were doing. So but anyway, so this
Speaker 2: would have been the time frame I would have been
Speaker 2: in college, so it was somewhere between. If I had
Speaker 2: a guess, November two thousand and four or November two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, it was opening a week of deer season.
Speaker 2: I can't remember which specific day it was, but in
Speaker 2: Illinois first season back then, I believe it was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Speaker 2: and it would have been one of those days. And
Speaker 2: so it took place north of where I grew up,
Speaker 2: in a really small town called Mount Carroll, Illinois. If
Speaker 2: you look it up on a map, it's off Skunk
Speaker 2: Hollow Road up in Mount Carroll, Illinois.
Speaker 1: So kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of it?
Speaker 3: I have not, But Skunk Callow Road is an interesting name.
Speaker 2: Wow? Cool? All right? Why is that?
Speaker 1: Why does that jump out to you?
Speaker 3: Back in the day, whenever I was going out with
Speaker 3: hitting boots on the ground research, one of the things
Speaker 3: we would look at geographically was place names, old place names,
Speaker 3: specifically hollows and roads and things like that. And skunk
Speaker 3: is one of the things that we'd look for because
Speaker 3: we found that sometimes those places were named that because
Speaker 3: people always smelled skunks whenever they were in the area.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's not a skunk, so I just yeah, no, head, devil, monkey.
Speaker 3: Those were all names that we would look for to
Speaker 3: look for potential bigfoot areas.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's really cool. I never thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, yeah, So my dad was very.
Speaker 1: Passionate about deer hunting. It was like the thing he
Speaker 1: loved to do most.
Speaker 2: He's still alive, he's in his late seventies, but his
Speaker 2: memory is starting to fade a little bit. So at
Speaker 2: least I've asked him some of these questions along the
Speaker 2: way too. I can interject what his thoughts were along
Speaker 2: the way. But anyway, so in that time, so my
Speaker 2: dad was very passionate, and so like we'd be up
Speaker 2: at two thirty in the more because we have you know,
Speaker 2: I'd got to be in the timber at like four
Speaker 2: point thirty. You know, I did not spook anything away.
Speaker 2: He was one of those guys, which I certainly appreciate
Speaker 2: about him. But so we get out there super early dark.
Speaker 2: We'd be walking out there with little flashlights or or
Speaker 2: red lights on just to get out there and wait,
Speaker 2: and we'd sit for hours before the sunrise would come up.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened this morning. So I get up
Speaker 2: in this deer stand and so we're probably hunting. It's
Speaker 2: probably a fifty acre property or so something like that.
Speaker 2: I would guess forty acres was a cornfield, and then
Speaker 2: there were ten acres of timber, but the entire field
Speaker 2: or the property we were on had timber like basically
Speaker 2: all around it in kind of a U shape. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, we're hunting ten acres, but we were kind
Speaker 2: of waiting for all the deer. So what I guess
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say is it was really remote for
Speaker 2: at least northwestern Illinois. It's about as remote, I think,
Speaker 2: as you could probably get.
Speaker 1: And so I would hunt at one end.
Speaker 2: My dad was at the other end, if I had
Speaker 2: to guess, we were probably three hundred yards apart, maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit more. And so I'm sitting in the
Speaker 2: stand that day, and I was at the bottom of
Speaker 2: this hill looking up at the hillside, so my back
Speaker 2: was the cornfield, and I was right on the edge
Speaker 2: of the timber, looking up into the timber, which would
Speaker 2: have been probably I don't know, seventy five or one
Speaker 2: hundred yards up to the crest of the top of
Speaker 2: the hill, and it had to be the sun had
Speaker 2: not been hadn't risen yet, So it's kind of that.
Speaker 1: Twilight I guess we would call it.
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, I don't know, five thirty
Speaker 2: six o'clock something like that, and when it was just
Speaker 2: starting to get the coloration in the sky, I mean
Speaker 2: just barely the light.
Speaker 1: And then there was a fog rolling in.
Speaker 2: And I had seen fog plenty of times up there,
Speaker 2: it was not uncommon. But what was weird about this
Speaker 2: one was as it was rolling in, it kind of
Speaker 2: rolled i'll say, down the hill. It covered the whole hillside,
Speaker 2: and it would blink very dimly as it went down
Speaker 2: the hill. And so I'm looking up there and I'm like,
Speaker 2: am I really seeing what I'm seeing? This whole hillside
Speaker 2: would blink, and so the cadence was something like it
Speaker 2: would blink on off, on, off, on off about that tempo,
Speaker 2: and it was weird. And I remember looking around going
Speaker 2: is there a blinking light around here? And you know,
Speaker 2: mattis again, as far as this place is concerned, it's
Speaker 2: pretty remote, man. Yeah, there's farmhouses, but I couldn't see
Speaker 2: anything but one farmhouse and it was like a mile
Speaker 2: behind me, three quarters.
Speaker 1: Of a mile to a mile behind me.
Speaker 2: And it was one of those old, crappy like probably
Speaker 2: sodium fluorescene or sodium lights that we had barely I
Speaker 2: mean it was barely on, but it wasn't but it
Speaker 2: wasn't flashing, and that was the only thing I could see.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking around and I'm like, what is this again?
Speaker 2: It was dim, It was not bright at all. If
Speaker 2: I had to guess, it was like gray, just like
Speaker 2: the color of the mist or the miss the fog,
Speaker 2: I guess, And again off on, I don't know, five
Speaker 2: minutes at most, probably is at least three minutes maybe
Speaker 2: five minutes total about waste height, and it just kind of,
Speaker 2: I don't know, rolled down the hill and I just
Speaker 2: could not see a light. I had no idea what
Speaker 2: was going on. And so I was like, is that
Speaker 2: fog really blinking? Am I losing it? Is it my
Speaker 2: heart beat?
Speaker 1: Because it was almost like my heart beating, And I'm like.
Speaker 2: Is it blood flow to my eyes? I mean, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't really place it. But then I'm like, why
Speaker 2: has this never happened before? I've been in the timber,
Speaker 2: you know, hundreds, if not thousands of times that early
Speaker 2: and never had an issue, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 2: there's something unique about that. So I wouldn't say it
Speaker 2: freaked me out, but it was pretty eerie to be
Speaker 2: like what the heck is that it to like pause
Speaker 2: and go, um, I believing what I'm seeing here? You
Speaker 2: know that sort of thing. So yeah, so fast forward.
Speaker 2: I get you'd have to know my dad to understand
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say. But my dad is a
Speaker 2: wonderful guy, a good dude, blue collar, hard worker, like
Speaker 2: his integrity is everything to him, and.
Speaker 1: He didn't tolerate.
Speaker 2: He would listen to everything I had, but lying and
Speaker 2: making up stuff was not his bag.
Speaker 1: That was definitely something he instilled in me. And so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going do I bring this up to
Speaker 1: my dad?
Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earfull or he's
Speaker 2: not gonna believe me. And on the other side of that,
Speaker 2: he'd make fun of me a little bit, and in
Speaker 2: a good way, like that was our that's our relationship,
Speaker 2: joking and kind of picking and poking at each other.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, do I want to take the laughter
Speaker 2: that's going to come if I tell him what I
Speaker 2: just saw? So all morning I didn't see it deer
Speaker 2: that day, but all morning I kept going, all right,
Speaker 2: do I bring this up? Because usually around noon or so,
Speaker 2: I would go down to his stand and he had
Speaker 2: this huge built up scaffolding stand that he built and
Speaker 2: then we just go down and sit in the stand
Speaker 2: and talk to ear and look for deer and just
Speaker 2: hang out and stuff, you know. But so I went
Speaker 2: down at lunch and I was I was trying to
Speaker 2: get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know if I want
Speaker 2: to get an earful here or not. And I finally
Speaker 2: got the courage and I'm like, dad, man, I got
Speaker 2: to ask you something, did you?
Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too? This morning?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man, Like you
Speaker 2: saw it? And so it was almost like he was
Speaker 2: waiting for me to bring it up because he's the
Speaker 2: guy like between the two of us, he wasn't going
Speaker 2: to say nothing because he's like, you know, it's just
Speaker 2: one of those hardcore, you know, blue collar guys though,
Speaker 2: you know. And and so he once I brought it up,
Speaker 2: he's like, you saw the blinking fog too, didn't you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
Speaker 2: same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
Speaker 2: but it was this on off same cadence and everything,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the heck is that? And
Speaker 2: he's like, Chris, I don't know, man, And he said
Speaker 2: he had never seen any anything like that before. My
Speaker 2: knowledge has not seen anything like that after and either
Speaker 2: of I it was a one and done. We both
Speaker 2: saw it, same day, same time, and we're both a
Speaker 2: little nervous to bring it up to each other, but
Speaker 2: once we did, we've talked about it for twenty years
Speaker 2: and his story has never changed and in neither is mine.
Speaker 2: And so that's the that's the blinking fog man. I
Speaker 2: don't remember anything after that. There was an incident that
Speaker 2: I was not there for. This is this is my
Speaker 2: dad's story. This would have been I think after that,
Speaker 2: if I had to guess, it would have been in
Speaker 2: a December, because the reason I say that is it
Speaker 2: would have been deer season. But I think it would
Speaker 2: have been second season, which is later in December. So
Speaker 2: when I was in college, I would have to stay
Speaker 2: at college to take finals. It was always around that time, right,
Speaker 2: like the fall semester would end in December, right, And
Speaker 2: so I would always have to skip day one or
Speaker 2: two so that I could finish five and then drive back.
Speaker 2: So it was one of those. It was either a
Speaker 2: Thursday or a Friday. I don't believe it was the
Speaker 2: same year. I think it was after that. And he's
Speaker 2: walking out to his stand even earlier than what I
Speaker 2: did that day was the blinking fog thing. And the
Speaker 2: funny thing was he never told me what I'm about
Speaker 2: to tell you until we had like like years later,
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the fog, and he goes, Hey,
Speaker 2: did I ever tell you about this other story? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're kidding me, you know anyways? Come on, man, Yeah, thanks? Dad, Like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing to me mad? So he brought up.
Speaker 2: He goes he's walking out to his stand again, he's
Speaker 2: by himself. I'm not there, and he gets in his
Speaker 2: stand and he goes, Chris, the forest next to us
Speaker 2: that we could not hunt and we never we never
Speaker 2: would trespass, but you could see like the whole hillside
Speaker 2: of someone else's timber. He said it exploded in light,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what do you mean. He goes the
Speaker 2: entire timber lit up, and I'm like, Dad, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't understand and like, what do you mean and
Speaker 2: he goes, I don't know else to say it, Chris,
Speaker 2: the entire timber just exploded in light, like I'll say,
Speaker 2: a spotlight, but it wasn't like headlights or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you sure it wasn't a truck
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, it wasn't a truck.
Speaker 1: He was I never heard anything. I never heard anybody
Speaker 1: talking like. He goes, there's no one walking out there.
Speaker 1: The light wasn't bouncing like someone was walking.
Speaker 2: He goes, the entire timber lit up, like exploded in
Speaker 2: light maybe I don't know, for five to ten seconds,
Speaker 2: and then it went out and never happened again. It
Speaker 2: was as he was walking to a stand, That's what was.
Speaker 2: He was walking through the cornfield and this whole timber
Speaker 2: lit up and I'm like, did you I was joking.
Speaker 2: I'm like, did you see the craft or anything? He goes, Nope, nope,
Speaker 2: never saw anything. It was only the light. And again
Speaker 2: you'd have to know my dad for this part of
Speaker 2: the story. But my dad ain't scared and nothing, man,
Speaker 2: there was nothing. That guy wouldn't walk out in the
Speaker 2: timber to go hunting like that stop him and he
Speaker 2: goes Chris. It kind of freaked me out, and I
Speaker 2: hesitated to go to the stand that morning.
Speaker 1: He still went he's the man, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it sounds like, you know, guys just.
Speaker 3: Like my dad, like my great grandfather that raised me,
Speaker 3: was exactly like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you know exactly what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: for him to even admit that he was scared was
Speaker 2: kind of a big deal. I don't know if scared
Speaker 2: but like frightened or just enough to hesitate and be like,
Speaker 2: oh crap. Yeah, but he went anyway, Like I said,
Speaker 2: he's in his late seventies.
Speaker 1: His memory's going a little bit, and so when.
Speaker 2: I ask him questions now about it, be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do remember that, but it's like the details have
Speaker 2: become fuzzy, if that makes sense. So all I have
Speaker 2: is kind of the story that he told me around
Speaker 2: that time. So so really that's the one man, Like
Speaker 2: the blinking fog and then the explosion in the light
Speaker 2: that my dad saw also a skunk hollow road Carol, Illinois.
Speaker 2: So that's what I reached out to you about. And
Speaker 2: I have I'll say I'm cagy maybe that's a good term.
Speaker 2: Or I'm hesitant to share the story with people until
Speaker 2: I get to know them, But I do bring it
Speaker 2: up with friends and acquaintances from time to time, and
Speaker 2: usually I'll I'll just say hey, most of them are
Speaker 2: hunters or campers, and I'll just go, hey, have you
Speaker 2: ever seen anything strange out there?
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: And usually I start off with a story about my
Speaker 2: dad and I seeing a mountain lion in the same
Speaker 2: area and they were not there. The DNR said, no,
Speaker 2: there's no such nut here, and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 2: a load of crap, because we've both seen it with
Speaker 2: our own eyes, sitting in the same stand and we
Speaker 2: know there's mountain lions here. And then that gets going,
Speaker 2: and then I'll be like, hey, have you ever seen
Speaker 2: or heard of like a blinking fog? And I've brought
Speaker 2: that up no more than twenty times to maybe twenty
Speaker 2: different people, maybe more a dozen to twenty people, and
Speaker 2: no one has ever understood what I was saying. They
Speaker 2: were like, what are you what And I'm like, don't.
Speaker 2: Clearly they don't know what I saw.
Speaker 3: They haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: They haven't seen it, and I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: sat on it for twenty years and I would bring
Speaker 2: it up. But then after I was listening to your
Speaker 2: podcast and honestly, I just appreciate.
Speaker 1: How you interview people and no judgment.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I'll just shoot them in an email,
Speaker 2: because I would imagine you get emails constantly, and not
Speaker 2: everything you hear makes it on the show.
Speaker 1: There's just not enough time. But I was like, maybe.
Speaker 2: Something people reach out with things other than Bigfoot, and
Speaker 2: maybe this would be something that you've heard about or
Speaker 2: someone had reached out before. So mainly I was just
Speaker 2: seeing if anyone else has ever run across this blinking
Speaker 2: fog that I call So that's where it came from. Man,
Speaker 2: that's the story.
Speaker 3: So first, like you just said, you were reluctant to
Speaker 3: come on and share. Originally I did ask your permission
Speaker 3: to share the story because it piqued my interest. I
Speaker 3: wanted to know if anybody else as witnessed this or
Speaker 3: heard of this before. You did agree to come on
Speaker 3: and share the story. Awesome, I'm glad you did.
Speaker 1: I hope it's worthy.
Speaker 2: Man. I don't know if it's very cool, but I
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's worthy. But yeah, If anybody out there listening
Speaker 3: has experienced blinking fog or something similar, please please contact me.
Speaker 3: You can send me an email, you can message me
Speaker 3: directly through the website Bigfook Crossroads dot com, find me
Speaker 3: on Facebook or Instagram, wherever you need to reach out at.
Speaker 3: Please do so because I'm sure Chris wants some answers,
Speaker 3: and I want some answers to my first question. This
Speaker 3: is property that you guys hunted yearly for a while?
Speaker 3: I take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a long time, man, probably
Speaker 2: I would guess around two thousand ish too, probably when
Speaker 2: I was done with grad school, med school stuff, so
Speaker 2: that would have been two thousand and ten. My dad
Speaker 2: kept going, I would say twelve to fifteen years. We
Speaker 2: hunted that same piece of property basically every year for
Speaker 2: deer season. Multiple times. Yeah, yes, sir, it was a
Speaker 2: private It was private property. A farmer that my dad
Speaker 2: went to high school with. They remained friends, and he'd
Speaker 2: just go, hey, can we go hunting up there? And
Speaker 2: he's like absolutely, So it was just the two of
Speaker 2: us that were only ever in that particular area.
Speaker 3: Did you guys ever talk to the property owner about this?
Speaker 2: Great question? I wish I would have. We didn't. It
Speaker 2: never even dawned on us. And honestly, I don't know
Speaker 2: if the guy is a great guy and he's a
Speaker 2: good friend of my dad's, but he's kind of a
Speaker 2: no nonsense farmer and I think he would have brushed
Speaker 2: it off anyway.
Speaker 1: As like an So I guess I didn't get the
Speaker 1: courage to ask him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as far as I know, my dad's never
Speaker 2: brought it up. He's had some health problems and so
Speaker 2: I I guess I haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker 2: But no, So long story short, we've not asked him.
Speaker 2: But that's a great idea. I should, I really should.
Speaker 3: Did you hear about any other unrelated strange experiences in
Speaker 3: the area growing up from like other people or whenever
Speaker 3: you were asking about the fog? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing paranormal.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'd have a random wildlife that would come
Speaker 2: through that would be extremely rare, you know, like wolverines
Speaker 2: and stuff like that for the area, but like, nothing
Speaker 2: weird that I can remember anyway, Nothing like that.
Speaker 1: No, man, not much to go on, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean yes and no. From your description, it
Speaker 3: sounds like it was pulsing DeMar and then brighter.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, pulsation or pulsing is a good term for it.
Speaker 2: Again at that cadence and when it when it got brighter,
Speaker 2: it wasn't bright. I'm saying brighter comparison to like when
Speaker 2: it was dark like off and on. Yeah, but when
Speaker 2: it was on, it was it was dim, but it
Speaker 2: was noticeably there pulsating, yeah, off and on, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 3: And it was rolling down the hill towards your location.
Speaker 2: From my right to my left, which is kind of
Speaker 2: where the hill would kind of fall. So it was
Speaker 2: like any other rolling fog that you've anyone's probably seen
Speaker 2: that's been any time outside, right, But this one was
Speaker 2: noticeably pulsating is a great term. It is a great term.
Speaker 3: Manh Did it have a visible top to it or
Speaker 3: did it extend up into the air above where you
Speaker 3: could see.
Speaker 2: It? Did have I have a top? If I was
Speaker 2: in my stand, which is twelve to fifteen feet, so
Speaker 2: my head would have been fifteen to twenty feet above it.
Speaker 1: If I was on the ground, I would have guessed
Speaker 1: it would have been my waist height. I'm six' four
Speaker 1: so probably you, know three or four feet off the. Ground,
Speaker 1: YEAH i could see you, know like, fog you can
Speaker 1: see through it for the most, part but you could
Speaker 1: again see it kind of roll down the hill covered
Speaker 1: the whole. Hillside so from my, perspective WHERE i really
Speaker 1: saw the bulk of the i'll say the pulsating or the,
Speaker 1: BLINKING i would have guessed thirty yards something like, that
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty yards to WHERE i could really.
Speaker 3: See, it so it never encompassed, you.
Speaker 1: No, note just kept rolling down the hill and watched.
Speaker 2: It and then as like as the sky kind of
Speaker 2: the lights came on with the, sun basically it kind
Speaker 2: of faded away or just WHAT i was unable to
Speaker 2: see it at that, point like it was being i'll,
Speaker 2: say bleached out by the.
Speaker 3: Sun any experiences that you recall of missing?
Speaker 2: Time, ooh good. Question, no not THAT i know, Of
Speaker 2: not THAT i know, Of AND i THINK i know
Speaker 2: why you're asking If i've heard that question. Before but
Speaker 2: to my, KNOWLEDGE i don't have any experience with missing
Speaker 2: time That i'm aware.
Speaker 3: Of, so LIKE i, said you piqued my interest with this.
Speaker 3: One and there was one email THAT i had received
Speaker 3: a year or two ago from a guy in THE
Speaker 3: uk which had just like an amazing story and he
Speaker 3: actually sent me some materials where there was some historic
Speaker 3: case in the area that was similar to his in
Speaker 3: what they. Saw they saw it basically what sounds like
Speaker 3: a bigfoot, creature but there's some definite things to it
Speaker 3: that stand out beyond just like our Typical american bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Stuff but one of the things he mentioned was a
Speaker 3: mist and that this mist had THESE i think he
Speaker 3: used the word kind of like a, pearl iridescent points
Speaker 3: of light inside the mist that were pulsing brighter and.
Speaker 3: Dimmer but that was like the closest thing and the
Speaker 3: only thing THAT i could remember of mention of anything
Speaker 3: that involved like a fog or a mist and like
Speaker 3: it behaving. Strangely, Yeah so from THERE i did what
Speaker 3: everybody does these, days AND i asked CHAT. Gpt according
Speaker 3: to CHAT, gpt this is something that, yeah people have
Speaker 3: reported before throughout, history different versions of, it pulsing fog
Speaker 3: just seemingly to just disappear, suddenly not like, dissipate but
Speaker 3: just be gone and then come back the pulsing LIKE i.
Speaker 3: Said and something kind of interesting was it's oftentimes reported
Speaker 3: IN ufo situations and was actually connected to the famous
Speaker 3: accounts Of foo. Fighters so whenever you said that your
Speaker 3: dad mentioned the bright flash of. Light that's kind of
Speaker 3: interesting BECAUSE i mean it kind of goes along in
Speaker 3: lines with that sort of. Thing, clearly you did not
Speaker 3: see A ufo or you, know any aliens or anything
Speaker 3: in the deer.
Speaker 1: Stand, no it definitely definitely not can not see.
Speaker 3: That, no missing. Time missing times also something that's brought
Speaker 3: up with this sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing so for, Myself, No i've never actually asked my
Speaker 2: dad that. Question i'll ask him AND i can follow
Speaker 2: up and. See The only downside of that is he's
Speaker 2: in his seventies AND i can clearly see his memories
Speaker 2: starting to kind of go a little, Bit SO i
Speaker 2: don't know if he says, no it's still, maybe you
Speaker 2: know WHAT i. Mean SO i don't know how trustworthy
Speaker 2: it would. Be but BUT i can ask him and.
Speaker 2: See but that wouldn't that be? Wild can't?
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah at least there are some instances where, like
Speaker 3: you're not the only people in existence to experience this
Speaker 3: sort of. Thing apparently it's something that other people have.
Speaker 3: EXPERIENCED i can send you the information that it gave.
Speaker 3: Me how correct and accurate that information IS i don't,
Speaker 3: know but it it did there were several different uh you,
Speaker 3: know it went through the whole cabitt of like, yeah in,
Speaker 3: folklore these things are, said and then this, happened and
Speaker 3: this sas said and all, that and then here's like
Speaker 3: some natural phenomenon that take, place, Right and SO i
Speaker 3: then inquired, Specifically, okay well let's just narrow it down
Speaker 3: specifically to this type of behavior and would that potentially
Speaker 3: be explained by some naturally occurring? Phenomenon and CHAT gpt
Speaker 3: was like, no not, really so, like, YEAH i don't
Speaker 3: really know what to make of. THAT i don't know
Speaker 3: how accurate that, is LIKE i, said but it's something
Speaker 3: where apparently there is a breadcrumb trail that can be
Speaker 3: followed a little bit more and maybe there's some you,
Speaker 3: know documented cases of this that you or you AND
Speaker 3: i could look.
Speaker 2: INTO i, mean that's super.
Speaker 1: Cool that's super. COOL i GUESS i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Guessed you mentioned missed versus, fog just just So i'm
Speaker 2: being clear and What i'm trying to. DESCRIBE i think
Speaker 2: it was way more fog than missed in my, experience
Speaker 2: just to be clear on. That it looks just like
Speaker 2: fog to, me like regular. Fog, Right so, yeah, man
Speaker 2: that's pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool, man that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Strange what's the nearest like body of water to this?
Speaker 1: Location so The Mississippi river is probably the main.
Speaker 2: Thing, well, no now That i'm thinking about, IT i
Speaker 2: mean from a Landmark. Misissippi but there, is as the
Speaker 2: crow flies kind of through the timber to someone else's,
Speaker 2: property there are i'll say two retention lakes are kind
Speaker 2: of square shaped to the northeast of this. Property they're
Speaker 2: probably the size of a football field or, less would
Speaker 2: be my. Guest two of. Those is? That so is
Speaker 2: that you talking about like a farm. Pod it's basically
Speaker 2: like a farm pond and like a rectangle or square. Shape. Right,
Speaker 2: yeah they're like two right next to each, other with
Speaker 2: like a road right in between. Them but there there
Speaker 2: was a creek that ran right through the middle of the,
Speaker 2: cornfield but at most it would have BEEN i don't,
Speaker 2: know the cafe deep ankle deep for the most, part you,
Speaker 2: know that sort of.
Speaker 1: Thing so but other than, that that was.
Speaker 3: It any electrical right of ways.
Speaker 1: Let me, Think, NO i don't remember seeing any of.
Speaker 2: Those just regular power lines going down the of, course
Speaker 2: the roads and all that to feed the.
Speaker 1: Farmhouses but no of.
Speaker 2: The gigantic power power. Line nothing like that THAT i can.
Speaker 3: Remember any railroads.
Speaker 1: Railroads uh not near, There, Nope, no not THAT i can.
Speaker 3: Remember, man you are not checking any of the. Boxes i'm.
Speaker 1: Not i'm, Sorry, MAN i WISH i.
Speaker 3: Was, No, no this is the kind of STUFF i,
Speaker 3: like this. Is this is something, new. MAN i just
Speaker 3: WISH i had some. Answers just the fact.
Speaker 2: That you're willing to listen and just maybe he'll broadcast
Speaker 2: it out there and see if anyone else has more.
Speaker 2: Experience like that's, cool, MAN i really appreciate, That like
Speaker 2: this is it's not eating away at my, brain but
Speaker 2: it comes up from time to time And i'm, LIKE i, wonder, yeah.
Speaker 1: If anyone else has noticed.
Speaker 2: That and SO i appreciate you just listening and maybe
Speaker 2: you know the platform to share. That that's totally. Cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course speaking of, which you did send me
Speaker 3: some interesting.
Speaker 2: Photos, yeah we can talk about that if you. Want.
Speaker 3: Yeah so you were listening to a guest on an.
Speaker 2: Episode, yeah, yes, YEAH i. WAS i.
Speaker 1: WAS i heard an. ENCOUNTER i am so fascinated with
Speaker 1: the Big foot.
Speaker 2: Topic it's just a fun, topic you know for me
Speaker 2: AND i don't have any answers to, anything BUT i
Speaker 2: heard this particular, encounter witness his experience and kind of
Speaker 2: what he was, doing AND i kind of reconstructed where
Speaker 2: he was. Talking he said some clues in his, interview
Speaker 2: AND i was, like that sounds, familiar AND i slowly
Speaker 2: pieced it, together and In april of twenty twenty, FOUR
Speaker 2: i was driving back to my. HOMETOWN i live in
Speaker 2: The memphis area, now BUT i was driving home Towards, Fulton,
Speaker 2: illinois WHERE i grew.
Speaker 1: Up my mom was having surgery at a local.
Speaker 2: University she had a brain tumor and is doing well,
Speaker 2: now but she was going to go through, that and
Speaker 2: SO i was just driving home to be there to
Speaker 2: support her and my dad as that. Happened AND i
Speaker 2: had a little downtime AND i REALIZED i was going
Speaker 2: right by this, place and so it was really a
Speaker 2: very short detour on the way up to see my,
Speaker 2: parents and SO i.
Speaker 1: Was by, myself and SO i was, like let me
Speaker 1: go check this place. Out and so it was in Southeast,
Speaker 1: missouri north Of Cape.
Speaker 2: GIRARDO i pieced it together and found This it's The
Speaker 2: Apple Creek conservancy, there AND i was, LIKE i could
Speaker 2: get that, far AND i started walking around AND i
Speaker 2: found this trail AND i just walked up it like
Speaker 2: hiking up. It it was Not it's not a trail
Speaker 2: like game trail or hiking trail per. Se it was
Speaker 2: a little bit of a utility. Trail they were putting
Speaker 2: in power. Poles AND i followed it for about a
Speaker 2: mile and ran across maybe maybe some, footprints and that's
Speaker 2: WHAT i sent you some tracks. There they were not
Speaker 2: the greatest, quality to be. HONEST i stopped on the
Speaker 2: way there and then on the way back from over
Speaker 2: a few days and it had rained and kind of
Speaker 2: washed it. OUT i didn't even think about taking pictures
Speaker 2: WHEN i the first, time BUT i saw them and
Speaker 2: they to, me they looked clearer than the pictures THAT i,
Speaker 2: got you, know a couple of days. Prior BUT i
Speaker 2: should have coulda. Would so on the way, BACK i was,
Speaker 2: LIKE i should really stop and take a. Picture so
Speaker 2: after thinking about, IT i. Stopped put my driver's license
Speaker 2: next to the. IMPRESSIONS i guess probably better to call
Speaker 2: it an impression than a, TRACK i suppose for size,
Speaker 2: Comparison AND i took three pictures AND i sent them
Speaker 2: to you again admittedly they're they're not great. Quality, man
Speaker 2: if you look IN i feel, like if you squit really,
Speaker 2: hard maybe you can make out some. Toes but it
Speaker 2: was really weird WHERE i followed this, Track, LIKE i
Speaker 2: don't think people go up. There it was behind a gun.
Speaker 2: Range it was probably risky to do. That no one
Speaker 2: was shooting that, day, thankfully but, like who would walk
Speaker 2: up behind a gun?
Speaker 1: Range you know? Otherwise and you.
Speaker 2: Know and THEN i found these tracks right on the
Speaker 2: right in this little, opening and that's WHAT i took
Speaker 2: the pictures. OF i never did the calculation for however
Speaker 2: big the driver's.
Speaker 1: License, is to compare to the.
Speaker 2: TRACK i don't know WHY i didn't do, That but
Speaker 2: IF i had to, GUESS i don't, know thirteen fourteen
Speaker 2: inches MAYBE i.
Speaker 1: Don't what do you think or have you that you've
Speaker 1: seen it?
Speaker 3: Yet, YEAH i was going to say probably between twelve
Speaker 3: and fifteen.
Speaker 2: Inches, yeah that sounds very. REASONABLE i remember putting my
Speaker 2: boot next to. It i'm around at twelve and a
Speaker 2: half or, thirteen and it was wider than my boot
Speaker 2: and a little bit.
Speaker 1: Bigger so that's kind of WHERE i was just.
Speaker 2: Guessing and AGAIN i don't, KNOW i hate to, say,
Speaker 2: yes these are what they, are BUT i wanted to
Speaker 2: pass them along and see what your thoughts would. BE i,
Speaker 2: mean you've probably seen clearly way more THAN i ever
Speaker 2: dreamed of, seeing and it was kind of cool THAT
Speaker 2: i could kind of reconstruct it and kind of go
Speaker 2: to that area and just kind of EITHER i got
Speaker 2: lucky Or I'm i'm fooling myself into thinking it's something,
Speaker 2: not you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean, WELL i mean they're the right, shape and they're
Speaker 3: in a good, location and you, know one end of
Speaker 3: the track is rounded like a hill and the other
Speaker 3: one is kind of jagged like. Toes they're pressed down
Speaker 3: into the. Ground your feet were not pressing down into the,
Speaker 3: GROUND i would assume not like.
Speaker 1: That it wasn't definitely.
Speaker 3: NOT i, mean it's they're very, defined which to me
Speaker 3: tells me that there's some weight behind. Them you, know
Speaker 3: usually our own tracks on you, know just regular ground
Speaker 3: surface that you don't leave like a solid impression like.
Speaker 3: That sometimes you can if the ground's wet enough and
Speaker 3: soft enough in the right, substrate with you, know a
Speaker 3: hard sold shoe or, whatever because of the you, know
Speaker 3: the density of the sole of the. Shoe but a
Speaker 3: barefoot doesn't leave a clear impression like that unless you've
Speaker 3: got some serious weight behind. It they were definitely too
Speaker 3: wide to be a human, foot even if there was
Speaker 3: some sort of you, know you're six or, four so
Speaker 3: maybe there was like a seven foot tall guy with
Speaker 3: giant feet walking around barefoot out behind the gun. Range,
Speaker 3: yeah it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound very likely where this. WAS i, mean it
Speaker 2: was it was, rocky and that was the other. THING
Speaker 2: i was, like, barefoot is it? Possible you're right gun? Range?
Speaker 2: Uphill you're basically walking on partly up there on like, gravel,
Speaker 2: right and like who would walk up? There and on
Speaker 2: my way up there actually saw a pretty big Snake
Speaker 2: And i'm, like who would be walking around up your
Speaker 2: barefoot in gravel behind a gun range clearly in snake?
Speaker 2: Territory LIKE i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i just know you you would be doing all.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm not that courageous. Man i'm
Speaker 1: a big whimp when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to that. Stuff and the best thing, is like
Speaker 3: you found the location based on a, witness.
Speaker 1: You, know, yeah pieced it.
Speaker 2: Together and ACTUALLY i tracked him down and we had
Speaker 2: an exchange over email, too just and he was, like,
Speaker 2: yeah we usually don't check that, area he, Was they
Speaker 2: go somewhere else on that that, Proper i'll, say the,
Speaker 2: property but like that state, land they don't really go up.
Speaker 1: There SO i thought that was cool one and whatnot from?
Speaker 2: There so, yeah, Man so as far AS i, know
Speaker 2: those are the the fog and these potential questionable bigfoot
Speaker 2: tracks or the weirdest things THAT i know of That
Speaker 2: i've experienced in the.
Speaker 3: Woods, WELL i appreciate you coming on here and talking
Speaker 3: about it and sharing those, experiences and hopefully somebody out
Speaker 3: there listening can shed a little light on the blinking
Speaker 3: fog and we'll reach out And i'll connect.
Speaker 2: You that'd be. Awesome. Man, hey if you if you got,
Speaker 2: time COULD i ask you one other question or discuss something?
Speaker 2: Quick is that? Cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course.
Speaker 2: So. HOPFU i won't give my entire WHO i am,
Speaker 2: away But i'm an eye doctor by, training and so
Speaker 2: the eyes intrigued me.
Speaker 1: Greatly i'll say.
Speaker 2: That and my understanding, is and please correct me If i'm,
Speaker 2: wrong that there are many who believe That bigfoot can see. Infrared, yes,
Speaker 2: yes that is a fair.
Speaker 3: Statement there are a large number of people that Believe
Speaker 3: bigfoot can see into the infrared.
Speaker 1: Spectrum that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Wild SO i may not be the best, SUBJECT i,
Speaker 2: mean But i'll share WHAT i know and WHAT i,
Speaker 2: think knowing that it's just a.
Speaker 1: Theory how about.
Speaker 2: THAT i don't want to like stand on, it you,
Speaker 2: know But i've been wondering for a. While so to my.
Speaker 2: Job the background here Is i've Mentioned i'm an eye,
Speaker 2: doctor but part of my background IS i do some
Speaker 2: of our clinical what we call. Electrophysiology it's where we
Speaker 2: flash lights into people's eyes and we watch or we
Speaker 2: measure the signal that is produced due to different strengths
Speaker 2: and or sometimes even colors of. Light if that does
Speaker 2: that track so? Far?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah and SO i know that with that particular
Speaker 4: test we can set the stage to kind of tease
Speaker 4: apart the photoreceptors in the back of the eye of the, retina,
Speaker 4: right and so there's two main. Photoreceptors we have rods and.
Speaker 4: Combes and forgive me.
Speaker 2: If i'm insulting your, Intelligence i'm just being very clear, here.
Speaker 3: A third grade, level.
Speaker 2: Fair, enough. Man so with, rods they're very very sensitive
Speaker 2: at detecting small amounts of, light just like that's kind
Speaker 2: of what we see in dim light, conditions but they're
Speaker 2: not good at discriminating. Color it's basically saying yes or,
Speaker 2: no there's a light, there, right just a little. Bit
Speaker 2: so that's what we use predominantly in low light conditions
Speaker 2: or darkner. Conditions, well on the other end of the,
Speaker 2: spectrum we have cones of the second type of, photoreceptors
Speaker 2: and generally with the, cones we have three types of
Speaker 2: cones and normal, individuals we have a cone that's sensitive to,
Speaker 2: red so it's hees red. Better you have a cone
Speaker 2: that sees better with, green so it sees green. Better
Speaker 2: and then we have a third one. Blue so with our,
Speaker 2: eyes by combining different amounts of, red, green and, blue
Speaker 2: that's where we see all of these colors from all around,
Speaker 2: us if that makes, sense, Right and.
Speaker 1: We only see a small.
Speaker 2: Sliver of the electromagnetic radiation that's actually going on around,
Speaker 2: us so we call it the visible. Spectrum it's based
Speaker 2: upon wavelength of, light because all electromenetic radiation is a, wavelength,
Speaker 2: right and so it's around four hundred to seven hundred
Speaker 2: if we really want to mensure, IT i think it's
Speaker 2: like three hundred and eighty nanimeters to maybe seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty nanometers and the higher, end the seven to fifty,
Speaker 2: end is kind of where red and infrared kind of
Speaker 2: are near each, other especially get up in the eight
Speaker 2: hundreds and above that for a little. Bit so, anyway
Speaker 2: the REASON i set the stage there is it got
Speaker 2: me thinking that if the, infrared if they can see,
Speaker 2: infrared that kind of makes, sense whether if they're walking
Speaker 2: around in the. Dark it makes me wonder if if
Speaker 2: we're able to compare retinas to what we know about,
Speaker 2: humans which is which is a leap, admittedly but just
Speaker 2: like as a starting, point we generally have about one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million rods in our, eyes and we
Speaker 2: have six to seven million cones in our eyes as,
Speaker 2: Well and it makes me, wonder are there different types of,
Speaker 2: photoreceptors or different ratios or maybe different spreading out of
Speaker 2: the photoreceptors in the back of the eyes that make
Speaker 2: them likely to see the? Infrared if that makes. Sense
Speaker 2: SO i guess What i'm posing, is is there really
Speaker 2: an anatomical thing that if we were to get our
Speaker 2: hands on a bigfoot, retina you, know or, whatever could
Speaker 2: we predict that they would have different types of cones
Speaker 2: or rods that were compared or that we would see in,
Speaker 2: HUMANS i guess What i'm. Saying and on top of,
Speaker 2: that IF i were to take a, Leap now this
Speaker 2: is a. Theory. MAN i almost sound silly bringing this,
Speaker 2: out But i've just thought about, it And i'm just
Speaker 2: posing the. Question, right if humans can only see up
Speaker 2: to say seven hundred or seven, fifty if you go
Speaker 2: a little bit above that in the red spectrum that's
Speaker 2: where the infrared comes. In what if they have more
Speaker 2: red cones than green or blue and they're just slightly
Speaker 2: more sensitive to that spectrum of. Color if they have
Speaker 2: more and they're more, sensitive and at the expense of
Speaker 2: downgrading the green and blue and the, rods they might
Speaker 2: be color, deficient, right because you need three cones in
Speaker 2: order to see detect color how we see it as, humans,
Speaker 2: Right and that's definitely been shown in, humans, right as
Speaker 2: far as color deficiency more common in men than women
Speaker 2: and things like. That and so the REASON i wonder
Speaker 2: if that's important is and this is where AGAIN i
Speaker 2: almost seem stupid saying.
Speaker 1: This i'm just posing, it.
Speaker 3: Right you don't sound. Stupid if you sound, stupid THEN
Speaker 3: i sound stupid because this is something THAT i have
Speaker 3: rattled around in my head for. Decades, OH i got
Speaker 3: good at one point in. TIME i went down the
Speaker 3: eyesight rabbit hole and learned all of this information that
Speaker 3: you're talking about right, now AND i think we ended
Speaker 3: up at the same, place which means a lot to
Speaker 3: me since you're an.
Speaker 2: Id, well that's pretty cool man that. YOU i, mean
Speaker 2: you beat me to, it. Obviously but so here's the
Speaker 2: next step beyond. That if if they are color, deficient
Speaker 2: AND i don't know how we could do, this but
Speaker 2: if certain cameras you could play with the wavelength of,
Speaker 2: light could we find one that they can't see and
Speaker 2: get better luck at detecting? Them does that make sense
Speaker 2: using like a variation instead of the one standard infrared
Speaker 2: for the trigger that they clearly at least from WHAT i,
Speaker 2: Gather and you tell me If i'm. Wrong they seem
Speaker 2: to see, that or that's the theory that they see.
Speaker 2: It So i'm always, wondered if we change that wavelength
Speaker 2: a little, bit is it possible that we could hide
Speaker 2: in plain sight AND i have them not see. It so,
Speaker 2: anyway that's my. Theory SO i went from background to
Speaker 2: maybe color, blind and then the next step would, be
Speaker 2: could we design a camera to test that theory and
Speaker 2: see where it?
Speaker 1: Goes so, anyway man just nerd?
Speaker 3: Out There, no, NO i like nerding. Out so let
Speaker 3: me see if we ended up at the same, place
Speaker 3: WHICH i think we. Did so WHENEVER i was looking
Speaker 3: at all, this see this is the, PROBLEM i get.
Speaker 3: Sidetracked SO i reached. OUT i looked up the person
Speaker 3: that seemed to be the leading authority on mammalian, eyesight
Speaker 3: specifically primate eyesight in The United. States he was a
Speaker 3: professor at a. UNIVERSITY i don't remember specifically his name
Speaker 3: or the. University it's been a really long. TIME i
Speaker 3: emailed the guy through the UNIVERSITY i, did AND i
Speaker 3: just took a leap of faith AND i, Said, hey
Speaker 3: this is WHO i. Am you, know humor. Me if
Speaker 3: these things, exist and if they are a, primate would
Speaker 3: they be able to see in the infrared? Spectrum and
Speaker 3: his response was an explanation of how there's no primates
Speaker 3: that we're aware of that can do. That there's you,
Speaker 3: know certain animals with specialized sensory organs like, snakes you,
Speaker 3: know pit vipers and things like that that can sense
Speaker 3: infrared or. Whatever but he went further to explain that
Speaker 3: The sun produces a tremendous amount of infrared and that
Speaker 3: if something had the ability to see, infrared it would
Speaker 3: pretty much be blinded during daylight hours because of all
Speaker 3: the infrared that's produced by The. Sun it would be
Speaker 3: way brighter to it than it is to. Us so
Speaker 3: that would be my question to you first is if
Speaker 3: something did have the ability to see in, infrared would
Speaker 3: that be the? Case would it just be blinded all
Speaker 3: the time by all the infrared that's around that we
Speaker 3: can't normally. See, man that's a great. Question i've not
Speaker 3: thought it through that. Far IF i had to, guess
Speaker 3: and this is.
Speaker 2: Me, layman, LIKE i may change my mind IF i
Speaker 2: do some digging and maybe talk more about. It, Right
Speaker 2: but IF i had to guess there is a ton
Speaker 2: of visible light coming from The sun that we do,
Speaker 2: see why would that be different than?
Speaker 1: INFRARED i don't.
Speaker 2: Understand the infrared is more heat and it's, wavelength, Right
Speaker 2: it's just, wavelength and so we're in the Same we're
Speaker 2: not even like that crazy high beyond some of the
Speaker 2: visible light as far as the wavelengths and all. That
Speaker 2: So i'm, like, well wouldn't they be blind with any
Speaker 2: of the other light coming off the, Sun like there
Speaker 2: is an incredible, amount don't get me, wrong but there's
Speaker 2: ALSO uv A uv B ubc visible, spectrum and then
Speaker 2: some of the. Infrared LIKE i don't, KNOW i GUESS
Speaker 2: i would For i've never looked in an infrared camera
Speaker 2: just as a rough jumping off point in the, Daylight,
Speaker 2: like is everything just like washed?
Speaker 1: OUT i would, assume Like i've never spent much.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah so maybe that's what he's.
Speaker 3: Inferencing, yeah like back in the day using like night,
Speaker 3: vision if you turn it on in like daylight or light,
Speaker 3: situations it just it ruins. It it actually broke the,
Speaker 3: device so it flooded The, yeah it flooded the receptors or.
Speaker 3: Whatever BUT i mean, again we're talking about, Wavelength so
Speaker 3: the infrared coming off the sun could be a much
Speaker 3: greater wavelength or you know What i'm saying completely AND
Speaker 3: i follow higher wavelength than what they would be able to.
Speaker 2: See. Yeah maybe now when you when your when your camera,
Speaker 2: broke were you looking at the sun with it or
Speaker 2: were you just looking at the environment and it.
Speaker 3: Broke, no it was just an in general thing like
Speaker 3: you you couldn't have them like, you like you never
Speaker 3: wanted to turn your night vision on in like a
Speaker 3: room that had the light, on because it would just
Speaker 3: break it it was too much light coming.
Speaker 2: In Because i'm not an expert, there SO i don't
Speaker 2: want to leave anyone, astray but it's just it's a.
Speaker 3: Guess, well and you're way more educated on the subject
Speaker 3: THAN i. Am but my so to go on what
Speaker 3: you were talking about and my own, research the CONCLUSION
Speaker 3: i reached was that there was a possibility that they
Speaker 3: would have a higher number of rods than what we would.
Speaker 3: Have and if the cones were a different, ratio like you're,
Speaker 3: saying where they could see in the, infrared and that
Speaker 3: most likely meant that they would be more color deficient
Speaker 3: in the blue spectrum.
Speaker 2: Potentially, yeah the if you so of the cones the, red,
Speaker 2: green and, blue let's say, it the red and green will.
Speaker 2: Dominate and yes there's blue in, there there's just not as,
Speaker 2: many if that makes. Sense and so when you combine
Speaker 2: the red and, green you get as far as maximal,
Speaker 2: sensitivity you get tennis ball. Yellow that's why tennis balls are.
Speaker 2: Yellow that's where our eyes have their highest, coloring, right
Speaker 2: there they overlap right at that tennis ball yellow and
Speaker 2: then so, yeah potentially it just it depends on how
Speaker 2: the ratio would. Go if it leans more towards red
Speaker 2: and there's less green or blue than those spectral curves
Speaker 2: can shift a little.
Speaker 1: Bit and, yeah they.
Speaker 2: Might have a harder time with blue as an. Example
Speaker 2: so then i'd, go, well can you develop a camera
Speaker 2: with like blue or start with?
Speaker 1: Green you?
Speaker 2: Know in? Humans again we don't, know but in humans
Speaker 2: the most common color defficiency is either red or, Green
Speaker 2: and so, yeah LOGICALLY i might play around with the
Speaker 2: red or green spectrum BEFORE i did the, blue just
Speaker 2: to kind of see if we could find like a
Speaker 2: wavelength that might be less detectable or something like. That
Speaker 2: and it's funny you brought up the, rods because the
Speaker 2: rods can't detect. Color so if there were less less
Speaker 2: cones and way more, rods they'd be very sensitive for
Speaker 2: like walking around at night and things like. That but
Speaker 2: absolutely THEN i would think their color vision would decrease
Speaker 2: significantly if a lot of that was shifted one way
Speaker 2: or the. Other, now, again these are my. THEORIES i
Speaker 2: don't want to claim to be an. Expert it's just
Speaker 2: little Things i've thought about AND i just wanted to
Speaker 2: bounce them off of you and see what your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Were and sounds like we're kind of thinking similar. Things
Speaker 2: that's really cool that you reached out to like a
Speaker 2: vision expert like. That i'm not familiar with that ONE i.
Speaker 2: Do this person does not know, me BUT i know of.
Speaker 2: Them there's One university Of houston that does some comparative.
Speaker 2: ANATOMY i understand it with retinas of you, know apes
Speaker 2: and things like. That and so IF i could and
Speaker 2: maybe that would be something that'd be awesome if you
Speaker 2: could interview her or something like, that, yeah and agree to.
Speaker 2: It so AGAIN i don't know, her but but, anyway
Speaker 2: that would be kind of. Cool that was one anyway
Speaker 2: those on my other questions was, like have you ever
Speaker 2: interviewed someone that like an ocular comparative anatomy? Professor you
Speaker 2: know that sort of, Thing and clearly you have based
Speaker 2: upon what you've.
Speaker 3: Said SO i emailed one.
Speaker 2: Once that's.
Speaker 3: OKAY i would love to find one that's interested in
Speaker 3: the subject and is open minded to it to talk
Speaker 3: to about all this. Stuff another thing that fascinates me
Speaker 3: THAT i have a hard time understanding from a logical
Speaker 3: standpoint is the report worts of eye, glow where witnesses
Speaker 3: are reporting eyes producing their own, light that it's definitely
Speaker 3: not a reflection from a tape tom, lucidum that it's
Speaker 3: actually producing a glowing usually a red. Color and for,
Speaker 3: ME i just how would, that even even if the
Speaker 3: science was, there even if the chemistry was there where
Speaker 3: there's some sort of you, know bioluminescence thing, happening why
Speaker 3: would it be in the. Eyes that seems counterproductive to.
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i, mean if you're having your own light produced,
Speaker 2: inside so the goal of the eyes is to catch
Speaker 2: light from the, environment not really send it back out,
Speaker 2: Right AND i mean it's been a long time Since
Speaker 2: i've looked at that particular part of, it BUT i
Speaker 2: feel like that would make your vision. Worse like that
Speaker 2: would be the worst thing you could do for, vision
Speaker 2: because if you're projecting light, out then the light it's
Speaker 2: going to bleach the light getting in that you would
Speaker 2: use to.
Speaker 1: See so, so.
Speaker 2: And IF i understand it, right the tap of them
Speaker 2: lucidam is not found in, apes not found in. Mammals not, Mammals,
Speaker 2: Sorry i'm, sorry not. MAMMALS i meant apes, sorry.
Speaker 3: One PRIMATE i think that has it that's nocturnal entirely
Speaker 3: and it's you, know, Nothing it's not like an, ape
Speaker 3: it's a something entirely, different.
Speaker 2: Gotcha SO i, mean SO i don't know the tap
Speaker 2: of the lucidam. Thing MAYBE i, mean if it's found
Speaker 2: in other nocturnal, animals and then maybe that would be
Speaker 2: something to think.
Speaker 1: About, AGAIN i would just be.
Speaker 2: Guessing BUT i do know that if you're part here's
Speaker 2: WHAT i THINK i shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Say, no here's my theory on.
Speaker 2: This if their eyes are as big as what people
Speaker 2: witnesses report that have seen, THEM i mean they describe ginormous,
Speaker 2: eyes like huge, Ones so then their pupils would be
Speaker 2: way bigger than what we would have right in.
Speaker 1: The same type of.
Speaker 2: Illumination and if they're seeing them at, night obviously the
Speaker 2: pupils are going to be ginormous compared to. Normal and
Speaker 2: the back of the eye there is a layer called the,
Speaker 2: choroid which is like a big bloody, sponge and its
Speaker 2: job is to bring nutrients to the, eye flush it,
Speaker 2: out keep the temperature down so we don't burnt holes
Speaker 2: in our. Eyes and the choroid has depending on how
Speaker 2: you measure it either is one or two in the
Speaker 2: highest blood flow in the entire body per unit, Volume
Speaker 2: so it's depending on how you. Measure it goes back
Speaker 2: and forth between the coid and the, kidneys if, that you.
Speaker 2: Know and So i'm going there's a high amount of blood.
Speaker 2: Flow is the reddish color just from the pupils being
Speaker 2: huge in the in the dark and it's reflecting the
Speaker 2: ambient light even though it's super. Dark it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that there's not just a little bit. There, SPECIFICALLY i
Speaker 2: don't infrared absorbs infrared and then you get kind of
Speaker 2: a reddish glow coming back. Out could that be? It
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i?
Speaker 1: Mean or like the red eyes on cameras and things like.
Speaker 3: That, YEAH i mean that was another thing THAT i
Speaker 3: thought about was if there is some sort of reflective
Speaker 3: membrane that they have to help them in their night.
Speaker 3: Vision is it potentially possible that with the larger eyes
Speaker 3: and the larger, pupils like you're, saying taking in more,
Speaker 3: light that it maybe bounces around to magnify the amount of,
Speaker 3: light so it spends more time in the eye processing the,
Speaker 3: light and because of, this it changes the wavelength and
Speaker 3: produces a red.
Speaker 2: Light, yeah we have cameras that we shine into people's
Speaker 2: eyes and we selectively let wavelengths come out to give
Speaker 2: us different information about the.
Speaker 1: Back so, like for, example we could.
Speaker 2: Shine in, uh you, KNOW i would WHAT i guess
Speaker 2: like a like a like a bluish light into the
Speaker 2: back of the eyes and then we can get like
Speaker 2: a greenish color. Out so it's not out of the
Speaker 2: realm of possibility that you shine one wavelength in and
Speaker 2: it gets absorbed or changed comes out.
Speaker 1: Slightly, different if that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense we do that for florescian angiographies and like just
Speaker 2: it's a oh electronic like excitation and uh fluorescence and
Speaker 2: things like. That so there's different ways to do. That,
Speaker 2: man IF i have any of my colleagues out there
Speaker 2: that they might just like. Rip these are all theories
Speaker 2: And i'm just having, fun like nerd and, Out so
Speaker 2: please don't take WHAT i say as. Gospel they're just
Speaker 2: ideas based upon what i've you, know What i've learned
Speaker 2: and WHAT i do and just a jumping off point
Speaker 2: AND i am open to any criticism or anything like.
Speaker 2: That it's just fun to think, about, Right and sometimes
Speaker 2: this converse stimulate other ideas and like, huh or maybe
Speaker 2: someone comes out and corrects, me or maybe they're, like,
Speaker 2: no maybe that is. True and then you, know we
Speaker 2: just having the dialogue to be, like, hey what if
Speaker 2: or what? About this opens up so many. DOORS i
Speaker 2: don't know if you agree with, that but it's been helpful.
Speaker 3: For, me, absolutely AND i appreciate. IT i appreciate you
Speaker 3: taking the time to throw this stuff out there and
Speaker 3: talk about. IT i, MEAN i enjoy. IT i know
Speaker 3: the listeners enjoy hearing that sort of, thing at least
Speaker 3: some of. Them and you, know you got me thinking
Speaker 3: about THINGS i haven't thought about in a long. Time, awesome, man.
Speaker 2: Awesome, WELL i can't thank you enough for just letting,
Speaker 2: me you, know babble on and share my. Experience. MATT
Speaker 2: i really appreciate. IT i really really. Do thank you
Speaker 2: for taking the time to just hang out for a little.
Speaker 3: While, oh no. PROBLEM i appreciate you coming on and
Speaker 3: taking the leap of, faith and hopefully it will open
Speaker 3: some new.
Speaker 1: Doors that'd be pretty.
Speaker 2: Awesome that'd be pretty.
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