Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there, going do I bring this up
to my dad?
Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earful or he's
not going to believe me. I kept going, all right,
do I bring this up? And I was I was
trying to get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know if I want
to get an earful here or not. And I finally
got the courage and I'm like, Dad, Man, I got
to ask you something, did you?
Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too?
Speaker 2: This morning? And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man,
Like you saw it? And so it was almost like
he was waiting for me to bring it up. Once
I brought it up, He's like, you saw the blinking fogs?
Speaker 1: Who didn't you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
but it was this on off, same cadence and everything,
and I was like, what the heck is that? And
he's like, Chris, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 3: At the end of each episode, I like to remind
people that there's something in the woods, and sometimes that's
not Bigfoot. There's other things out there that people experience
that we don't have an explanation for that hasn't been proven,
but that doesn't make them any less real. And my
guest on this episode is a person that has experienced
one of those things that has really intrigued me, and
I was fortunate enough to have him agree to come
on and talk about it. Chris, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.
Speaker 1: I Matt, thanks for having me man.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate the opportunity to share my experience and
see if anyone else has experienced this as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so before we get to that, you're a listener
and enjoyer, I hope a Bigfoot podcast around the internet.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, listen to them all the time.
Speaker 3: Boy, got you interested in that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Good question. So my dad is kind of an outdoorsy
guy and loved all the National Geographic and all those
kind of mystery things growing up, and I just remember
him watching a documentary on the Patterson Gimblin film and
watching the film and being like, Wow, what if something's
out there like that? And so that was when I
was a kid. I don't know, probably eight or less.
Hard to say, but it would probably been in the
late eighties early nineties when I saw it and piqued
my interests. I've been curious about it ever since, ever since.
Speaker 1: So that's where it started.
Speaker 3: Now, did you have experiences growing up or anything with
you know, what I call the unexplained paranormal cryptids and
anything like that.
Speaker 2: A good question. No, I really haven't. The experience we're
going to talk about is really the only thing I
can think of that ever was like weird enough to mention.
So now I didn't have any paranormal anything happened growing up? Nope.
Speaker 3: I think that's important to mention, you know. I like
to point out that sometimes there are people out there
who they'll experience something, or they'll have like kind of
a lifelong thing going on where they experience one thing
after another, or sometimes they experience something and then they
start experiencing other things. But then every once in a
while that's not the case. Sometimes there's a person who's like, yeah,
nothing ever happened until this happened. That's it, and that's
kind of where you're at. And so yeah, let's just
get right into it walk us through everything. You know,
what was going on that day, what you were doing,
and what you experienced.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: At any point you want me to clarify or have
a question, please interrupt me. I don't mind.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a small town.
Speaker 2: In northwestern Illinois.
Speaker 1: It's called Sulton, Illinois if you look it up.
Speaker 2: It's around the Missippi River right on the Highway Illinois border.
So I like to joke that I'm a redneck and
a river rat combined. But my dad and I we
would hunt and fish like in all our spare time.
So I grew up more in concrete with him, and
then in our free time we'd go hunting fishing. So
my dad was just loved being out in the woods
and he'd take me with him. So deer hunting, square
hunt and rabbit and all that stuff basically spent my childhood.
If I wasn't playing sports or in school, that's what
me and him were doing. So but anyway, so this
would have been the time frame I would have been
in college, so it was somewhere between. If I had
a guess, November two thousand and four or November two
thousand and five, it was opening a week of deer season.
I can't remember which specific day it was, but in
Illinois first season back then, I believe it was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
and it would have been one of those days. And
so it took place north of where I grew up,
in a really small town called Mount Carroll, Illinois. If
you look it up on a map, it's off Skunk
Hollow Road up in Mount Carroll, Illinois.
Speaker 1: So kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of it?
Speaker 3: I have not, But Skunk Callow Road is an interesting name.
Speaker 2: Wow? Cool? All right? Why is that?
Speaker 1: Why does that jump out to you?
Speaker 3: Back in the day, whenever I was going out with
hitting boots on the ground research, one of the things
we would look at geographically was place names, old place names,
specifically hollows and roads and things like that. And skunk
is one of the things that we'd look for because
we found that sometimes those places were named that because
people always smelled skunks whenever they were in the area.
And sometimes it's not a skunk, so I just yeah, no, head, devil, monkey.
Those were all names that we would look for to
look for potential bigfoot areas.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's really cool. I never thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, yeah, So my dad was very.
Speaker 1: Passionate about deer hunting. It was like the thing he
loved to do most.
Speaker 2: He's still alive, he's in his late seventies, but his
memory is starting to fade a little bit. So at
least I've asked him some of these questions along the
way too. I can interject what his thoughts were along
the way. But anyway, so in that time, so my
dad was very passionate, and so like we'd be up
at two thirty in the more because we have you know,
I'd got to be in the timber at like four
point thirty. You know, I did not spook anything away.
He was one of those guys, which I certainly appreciate
about him. But so we get out there super early dark.
We'd be walking out there with little flashlights or or
red lights on just to get out there and wait,
and we'd sit for hours before the sunrise would come up.
And that's what happened this morning. So I get up
in this deer stand and so we're probably hunting. It's
probably a fifty acre property or so something like that.
I would guess forty acres was a cornfield, and then
there were ten acres of timber, but the entire field
or the property we were on had timber like basically
all around it in kind of a U shape. And
so yeah, we're hunting ten acres, but we were kind
of waiting for all the deer. So what I guess
I'm trying to say is it was really remote for
at least northwestern Illinois. It's about as remote, I think,
as you could probably get.
Speaker 1: And so I would hunt at one end.
Speaker 2: My dad was at the other end, if I had
to guess, we were probably three hundred yards apart, maybe
a little bit more. And so I'm sitting in the
stand that day, and I was at the bottom of
this hill looking up at the hillside, so my back
was the cornfield, and I was right on the edge
of the timber, looking up into the timber, which would
have been probably I don't know, seventy five or one
hundred yards up to the crest of the top of
the hill, and it had to be the sun had
not been hadn't risen yet, So it's kind of that.
Speaker 1: Twilight I guess we would call it.
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, I don't know, five thirty
six o'clock something like that, and when it was just
starting to get the coloration in the sky, I mean
just barely the light.
Speaker 1: And then there was a fog rolling in.
Speaker 2: And I had seen fog plenty of times up there,
it was not uncommon. But what was weird about this
one was as it was rolling in, it kind of
rolled i'll say, down the hill. It covered the whole hillside,
and it would blink very dimly as it went down
the hill. And so I'm looking up there and I'm like,
am I really seeing what I'm seeing? This whole hillside
would blink, and so the cadence was something like it
would blink on off, on, off, on off about that tempo,
and it was weird. And I remember looking around going
is there a blinking light around here? And you know,
mattis again, as far as this place is concerned, it's
pretty remote, man. Yeah, there's farmhouses, but I couldn't see
anything but one farmhouse and it was like a mile
behind me, three quarters.
Speaker 1: Of a mile to a mile behind me.
Speaker 2: And it was one of those old, crappy like probably
sodium fluorescene or sodium lights that we had barely I
mean it was barely on, but it wasn't but it
wasn't flashing, and that was the only thing I could see.
And I'm looking around and I'm like, what is this again?
It was dim, It was not bright at all. If
I had to guess, it was like gray, just like
the color of the mist or the miss the fog,
I guess, And again off on, I don't know, five
minutes at most, probably is at least three minutes maybe
five minutes total about waste height, and it just kind of,
I don't know, rolled down the hill and I just
could not see a light. I had no idea what
was going on. And so I was like, is that
fog really blinking? Am I losing it? Is it my
heart beat?
Speaker 1: Because it was almost like my heart beating, And I'm like.
Speaker 2: Is it blood flow to my eyes? I mean, I couldn't.
I couldn't really place it. But then I'm like, why
has this never happened before? I've been in the timber,
you know, hundreds, if not thousands of times that early
and never had an issue, you know. So I was like,
there's something unique about that. So I wouldn't say it
freaked me out, but it was pretty eerie to be
like what the heck is that it to like pause
and go, um, I believing what I'm seeing here? You
know that sort of thing. So yeah, so fast forward.
I get you'd have to know my dad to understand
what I'm about to say. But my dad is a
wonderful guy, a good dude, blue collar, hard worker, like
his integrity is everything to him, and.
Speaker 1: He didn't tolerate.
Speaker 2: He would listen to everything I had, but lying and
making up stuff was not his bag.
Speaker 1: That was definitely something he instilled in me. And so
I'm sitting there going do I bring this up to
my dad?
Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earfull or he's
not gonna believe me. And on the other side of that,
he'd make fun of me a little bit, and in
a good way, like that was our that's our relationship,
joking and kind of picking and poking at each other.
So I'm like, do I want to take the laughter
that's going to come if I tell him what I
just saw? So all morning I didn't see it deer
that day, but all morning I kept going, all right,
do I bring this up? Because usually around noon or so,
I would go down to his stand and he had
this huge built up scaffolding stand that he built and
then we just go down and sit in the stand
and talk to ear and look for deer and just
hang out and stuff, you know. But so I went
down at lunch and I was I was trying to
get up the courage to ask him, because, like.
Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know if I want
to get an earful here or not. And I finally
got the courage and I'm like, dad, man, I got
to ask you something, did you?
Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too? This morning?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man, Like you
saw it? And so it was almost like he was
waiting for me to bring it up because he's the
guy like between the two of us, he wasn't going
to say nothing because he's like, you know, it's just
one of those hardcore, you know, blue collar guys though,
you know. And and so he once I brought it up,
he's like, you saw the blinking fog too, didn't you?
And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.
And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the
same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,
but it was this on off same cadence and everything,
and I was like, what the heck is that? And
he's like, Chris, I don't know, man, And he said
he had never seen any anything like that before. My
knowledge has not seen anything like that after and either
of I it was a one and done. We both
saw it, same day, same time, and we're both a
little nervous to bring it up to each other, but
once we did, we've talked about it for twenty years
and his story has never changed and in neither is mine.
And so that's the that's the blinking fog man. I
don't remember anything after that. There was an incident that
I was not there for. This is this is my
dad's story. This would have been I think after that,
if I had to guess, it would have been in
a December, because the reason I say that is it
would have been deer season. But I think it would
have been second season, which is later in December. So
when I was in college, I would have to stay
at college to take finals. It was always around that time, right,
like the fall semester would end in December, right, And
so I would always have to skip day one or
two so that I could finish five and then drive back.
So it was one of those. It was either a
Thursday or a Friday. I don't believe it was the
same year. I think it was after that. And he's
walking out to his stand even earlier than what I
did that day was the blinking fog thing. And the
funny thing was he never told me what I'm about
to tell you until we had like like years later,
when we were talking about the fog, and he goes, Hey,
did I ever tell you about this other story? And
I'm like, you're kidding me, you know anyways? Come on, man, Yeah, thanks? Dad, Like,
what are you doing to me mad? So he brought up.
He goes he's walking out to his stand again, he's
by himself. I'm not there, and he gets in his
stand and he goes, Chris, the forest next to us
that we could not hunt and we never we never
would trespass, but you could see like the whole hillside
of someone else's timber. He said it exploded in light,
and I'm like, what do you mean. He goes the
entire timber lit up, and I'm like, Dad, I don't,
I don't understand and like, what do you mean and
he goes, I don't know else to say it, Chris,
the entire timber just exploded in light, like I'll say,
a spotlight, but it wasn't like headlights or anything like that.
And I'm like, are you sure it wasn't a truck
and he's like, no, it wasn't a truck.
Speaker 1: He was I never heard anything. I never heard anybody
talking like. He goes, there's no one walking out there.
The light wasn't bouncing like someone was walking.
Speaker 2: He goes, the entire timber lit up, like exploded in
light maybe I don't know, for five to ten seconds,
and then it went out and never happened again. It
was as he was walking to a stand, That's what was.
He was walking through the cornfield and this whole timber
lit up and I'm like, did you I was joking.
I'm like, did you see the craft or anything? He goes, Nope, nope,
never saw anything. It was only the light. And again
you'd have to know my dad for this part of
the story. But my dad ain't scared and nothing, man,
there was nothing. That guy wouldn't walk out in the
timber to go hunting like that stop him and he
goes Chris. It kind of freaked me out, and I
hesitated to go to the stand that morning.
Speaker 1: He still went he's the man, you know what I mean. Yeah,
And so it sounds like, you know, guys just.
Speaker 3: Like my dad, like my great grandfather that raised me,
was exactly like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you know exactly what I mean. Like
for him to even admit that he was scared was
kind of a big deal. I don't know if scared
but like frightened or just enough to hesitate and be like,
oh crap. Yeah, but he went anyway, Like I said,
he's in his late seventies.
Speaker 1: His memory's going a little bit, and so when.
Speaker 2: I ask him questions now about it, be like, yeah,
I do remember that, but it's like the details have
become fuzzy, if that makes sense. So all I have
is kind of the story that he told me around
that time. So so really that's the one man, Like
the blinking fog and then the explosion in the light
that my dad saw also a skunk hollow road Carol, Illinois.
So that's what I reached out to you about. And
I have I'll say I'm cagy maybe that's a good term.
Or I'm hesitant to share the story with people until
I get to know them, But I do bring it
up with friends and acquaintances from time to time, and
usually I'll I'll just say hey, most of them are
hunters or campers, and I'll just go, hey, have you
ever seen anything strange out there?
Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: And usually I start off with a story about my
dad and I seeing a mountain lion in the same
area and they were not there. The DNR said, no,
there's no such nut here, and I'm like, well, that's
a load of crap, because we've both seen it with
our own eyes, sitting in the same stand and we
know there's mountain lions here. And then that gets going,
and then I'll be like, hey, have you ever seen
or heard of like a blinking fog? And I've brought
that up no more than twenty times to maybe twenty
different people, maybe more a dozen to twenty people, and
no one has ever understood what I was saying. They
were like, what are you what And I'm like, don't.
Clearly they don't know what I saw.
Speaker 3: They haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: They haven't seen it, and I was like, well, I
sat on it for twenty years and I would bring
it up. But then after I was listening to your
podcast and honestly, I just appreciate.
Speaker 1: How you interview people and no judgment.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I'll just shoot them in an email,
because I would imagine you get emails constantly, and not
everything you hear makes it on the show.
Speaker 1: There's just not enough time. But I was like, maybe.
Speaker 2: Something people reach out with things other than Bigfoot, and
maybe this would be something that you've heard about or
someone had reached out before. So mainly I was just
seeing if anyone else has ever run across this blinking
fog that I call So that's where it came from. Man,
that's the story.
Speaker 3: So first, like you just said, you were reluctant to
come on and share. Originally I did ask your permission
to share the story because it piqued my interest. I
wanted to know if anybody else as witnessed this or
heard of this before. You did agree to come on
and share the story. Awesome, I'm glad you did.
Speaker 1: I hope it's worthy.
Speaker 2: Man. I don't know if it's very cool, but I
you know.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's worthy. But yeah, If anybody out there listening
has experienced blinking fog or something similar, please please contact me.
You can send me an email, you can message me
directly through the website Bigfook Crossroads dot com, find me
on Facebook or Instagram, wherever you need to reach out at.
Please do so because I'm sure Chris wants some answers,
and I want some answers to my first question. This
is property that you guys hunted yearly for a while?
I take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a long time, man, probably
I would guess around two thousand ish too, probably when
I was done with grad school, med school stuff, so
that would have been two thousand and ten. My dad
kept going, I would say twelve to fifteen years. We
hunted that same piece of property basically every year for
deer season. Multiple times. Yeah, yes, sir, it was a
private It was private property. A farmer that my dad
went to high school with. They remained friends, and he'd
just go, hey, can we go hunting up there? And
he's like absolutely, So it was just the two of
us that were only ever in that particular area.
Speaker 3: Did you guys ever talk to the property owner about this?
Speaker 2: Great question? I wish I would have. We didn't. It
never even dawned on us. And honestly, I don't know
if the guy is a great guy and he's a
good friend of my dad's, but he's kind of a
no nonsense farmer and I think he would have brushed
it off anyway.
Speaker 1: As like an So I guess I didn't get the
courage to ask him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as far as I know, my dad's never
brought it up. He's had some health problems and so
I I guess I haven't seen him in a while.
But no, So long story short, we've not asked him.
But that's a great idea. I should, I really should.
Speaker 3: Did you hear about any other unrelated strange experiences in
the area growing up from like other people or whenever
you were asking about the fog? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing paranormal.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'd have a random wildlife that would come
through that would be extremely rare, you know, like wolverines
and stuff like that for the area, but like, nothing
weird that I can remember anyway, Nothing like that.
Speaker 1: No, man, not much to go on, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean yes and no. From your description, it
sounds like it was pulsing DeMar and then brighter.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, pulsation or pulsing is a good term for it.
Again at that cadence and when it when it got brighter,
it wasn't bright. I'm saying brighter comparison to like when
it was dark like off and on. Yeah, but when
it was on, it was it was dim, but it
was noticeably there pulsating, yeah, off and on, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3: And it was rolling down the hill towards your location.
Speaker 2: From my right to my left, which is kind of
where the hill would kind of fall. So it was
like any other rolling fog that you've anyone's probably seen
that's been any time outside, right, But this one was
noticeably pulsating is a great term. It is a great term.
Speaker 3: Manh Did it have a visible top to it or
did it extend up into the air above where you
could see.
Speaker 2: It? Did have I have a top? If I was
in my stand, which is twelve to fifteen feet, so
my head would have been fifteen to twenty feet above it.
Speaker 1: If I was on the ground, I would have guessed
it would have been my waist height. I'm six' four
so probably you, know three or four feet off the. Ground,
YEAH i could see you, know like, fog you can
see through it for the most, part but you could
again see it kind of roll down the hill covered
the whole. Hillside so from my, perspective WHERE i really
saw the bulk of the i'll say the pulsating or the,
BLINKING i would have guessed thirty yards something like, that
twenty to thirty yards to WHERE i could really.
Speaker 3: See, it so it never encompassed, you.
Speaker 1: No, note just kept rolling down the hill and watched.
Speaker 2: It and then as like as the sky kind of
the lights came on with the, sun basically it kind
of faded away or just WHAT i was unable to
see it at that, point like it was being i'll,
say bleached out by the.
Speaker 3: Sun any experiences that you recall of missing?
Speaker 2: Time, ooh good. Question, no not THAT i know, Of
not THAT i know, Of AND i THINK i know
why you're asking If i've heard that question. Before but
to my, KNOWLEDGE i don't have any experience with missing
time That i'm aware.
Speaker 3: Of, so LIKE i, said you piqued my interest with this.
One and there was one email THAT i had received
a year or two ago from a guy in THE
uk which had just like an amazing story and he
actually sent me some materials where there was some historic
case in the area that was similar to his in
what they. Saw they saw it basically what sounds like
a bigfoot, creature but there's some definite things to it
that stand out beyond just like our Typical american bigfoot.
Stuff but one of the things he mentioned was a
mist and that this mist had THESE i think he
used the word kind of like a, pearl iridescent points
of light inside the mist that were pulsing brighter and.
Dimmer but that was like the closest thing and the
only thing THAT i could remember of mention of anything
that involved like a fog or a mist and like
it behaving. Strangely, Yeah so from THERE i did what
everybody does these, days AND i asked CHAT. Gpt according
to CHAT, gpt this is something that, yeah people have
reported before throughout, history different versions of, it pulsing fog
just seemingly to just disappear, suddenly not like, dissipate but
just be gone and then come back the pulsing LIKE i.
Said and something kind of interesting was it's oftentimes reported
IN ufo situations and was actually connected to the famous
accounts Of foo. Fighters so whenever you said that your
dad mentioned the bright flash of. Light that's kind of
interesting BECAUSE i mean it kind of goes along in
lines with that sort of. Thing, clearly you did not
see A ufo or you, know any aliens or anything
in the deer.
Speaker 1: Stand, no it definitely definitely not can not see.
Speaker 3: That, no missing. Time missing times also something that's brought
up with this sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing so for, Myself, No i've never actually asked my
dad that. Question i'll ask him AND i can follow
up and. See The only downside of that is he's
in his seventies AND i can clearly see his memories
starting to kind of go a little, Bit SO i
don't know if he says, no it's still, maybe you
know WHAT i. Mean SO i don't know how trustworthy
it would. Be but BUT i can ask him and.
See but that wouldn't that be? Wild can't?
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah at least there are some instances where, like
you're not the only people in existence to experience this
sort of. Thing apparently it's something that other people have.
EXPERIENCED i can send you the information that it gave.
Me how correct and accurate that information IS i don't,
know but it it did there were several different uh you,
know it went through the whole cabitt of like, yeah in,
folklore these things are, said and then this, happened and
this sas said and all, that and then here's like
some natural phenomenon that take, place, Right and SO i
then inquired, Specifically, okay well let's just narrow it down
specifically to this type of behavior and would that potentially
be explained by some naturally occurring? Phenomenon and CHAT gpt
was like, no not, really so, like, YEAH i don't
really know what to make of. THAT i don't know
how accurate that, is LIKE i, said but it's something
where apparently there is a breadcrumb trail that can be
followed a little bit more and maybe there's some you,
know documented cases of this that you or you AND
i could look.
Speaker 2: INTO i, mean that's super.
Speaker 1: Cool that's super. COOL i GUESS i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Guessed you mentioned missed versus, fog just just So i'm
being clear and What i'm trying to. DESCRIBE i think
it was way more fog than missed in my, experience
just to be clear on. That it looks just like
fog to, me like regular. Fog, Right so, yeah, man
that's pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool, man that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Strange what's the nearest like body of water to this?
Speaker 1: Location so The Mississippi river is probably the main.
Speaker 2: Thing, well, no now That i'm thinking about, IT i
mean from a Landmark. Misissippi but there, is as the
crow flies kind of through the timber to someone else's,
property there are i'll say two retention lakes are kind
of square shaped to the northeast of this. Property they're
probably the size of a football field or, less would
be my. Guest two of. Those is? That so is
that you talking about like a farm. Pod it's basically
like a farm pond and like a rectangle or square. Shape. Right,
yeah they're like two right next to each, other with
like a road right in between. Them but there there
was a creek that ran right through the middle of the,
cornfield but at most it would have BEEN i don't,
know the cafe deep ankle deep for the most, part you,
know that sort of.
Speaker 1: Thing so but other than, that that was.
Speaker 3: It any electrical right of ways.
Speaker 1: Let me, Think, NO i don't remember seeing any of.
Speaker 2: Those just regular power lines going down the of, course
the roads and all that to feed the.
Speaker 1: Farmhouses but no of.
Speaker 2: The gigantic power power. Line nothing like that THAT i can.
Speaker 3: Remember any railroads.
Speaker 1: Railroads uh not near, There, Nope, no not THAT i can.
Speaker 3: Remember, man you are not checking any of the. Boxes i'm.
Speaker 1: Not i'm, Sorry, MAN i WISH i.
Speaker 3: Was, No, no this is the kind of STUFF i,
like this. Is this is something, new. MAN i just
WISH i had some. Answers just the fact.
Speaker 2: That you're willing to listen and just maybe he'll broadcast
it out there and see if anyone else has more.
Experience like that's, cool, MAN i really appreciate, That like
this is it's not eating away at my, brain but
it comes up from time to time And i'm, LIKE i, wonder, yeah.
Speaker 1: If anyone else has noticed.
Speaker 2: That and SO i appreciate you just listening and maybe
you know the platform to share. That that's totally. Cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course speaking of, which you did send me
some interesting.
Speaker 2: Photos, yeah we can talk about that if you. Want.
Speaker 3: Yeah so you were listening to a guest on an.
Speaker 2: Episode, yeah, yes, YEAH i. WAS i.
Speaker 1: WAS i heard an. ENCOUNTER i am so fascinated with
the Big foot.
Speaker 2: Topic it's just a fun, topic you know for me
AND i don't have any answers to, anything BUT i
heard this particular, encounter witness his experience and kind of
what he was, doing AND i kind of reconstructed where
he was. Talking he said some clues in his, interview
AND i was, like that sounds, familiar AND i slowly
pieced it, together and In april of twenty twenty, FOUR
i was driving back to my. HOMETOWN i live in
The memphis area, now BUT i was driving home Towards, Fulton,
illinois WHERE i grew.
Speaker 1: Up my mom was having surgery at a local.
Speaker 2: University she had a brain tumor and is doing well,
now but she was going to go through, that and
SO i was just driving home to be there to
support her and my dad as that. Happened AND i
had a little downtime AND i REALIZED i was going
right by this, place and so it was really a
very short detour on the way up to see my,
parents and SO i.
Speaker 1: Was by, myself and SO i was, like let me
go check this place. Out and so it was in Southeast,
missouri north Of Cape.
Speaker 2: GIRARDO i pieced it together and found This it's The
Apple Creek conservancy, there AND i was, LIKE i could
get that, far AND i started walking around AND i
found this trail AND i just walked up it like
hiking up. It it was Not it's not a trail
like game trail or hiking trail per. Se it was
a little bit of a utility. Trail they were putting
in power. Poles AND i followed it for about a
mile and ran across maybe maybe some, footprints and that's
WHAT i sent you some tracks. There they were not
the greatest, quality to be. HONEST i stopped on the
way there and then on the way back from over
a few days and it had rained and kind of
washed it. OUT i didn't even think about taking pictures
WHEN i the first, time BUT i saw them and
they to, me they looked clearer than the pictures THAT i,
got you, know a couple of days. Prior BUT i
should have coulda. Would so on the way, BACK i was,
LIKE i should really stop and take a. Picture so
after thinking about, IT i. Stopped put my driver's license
next to the. IMPRESSIONS i guess probably better to call
it an impression than a, TRACK i suppose for size,
Comparison AND i took three pictures AND i sent them
to you again admittedly they're they're not great. Quality, man
if you look IN i feel, like if you squit really,
hard maybe you can make out some. Toes but it
was really weird WHERE i followed this, Track, LIKE i
don't think people go up. There it was behind a gun.
Range it was probably risky to do. That no one
was shooting that, day, thankfully but, like who would walk
up behind a gun?
Speaker 1: Range you know? Otherwise and you.
Speaker 2: Know and THEN i found these tracks right on the
right in this little, opening and that's WHAT i took
the pictures. OF i never did the calculation for however
big the driver's.
Speaker 1: License, is to compare to the.
Speaker 2: TRACK i don't know WHY i didn't do, That but
IF i had to, GUESS i don't, know thirteen fourteen
inches MAYBE i.
Speaker 1: Don't what do you think or have you that you've
seen it?
Speaker 3: Yet, YEAH i was going to say probably between twelve
and fifteen.
Speaker 2: Inches, yeah that sounds very. REASONABLE i remember putting my
boot next to. It i'm around at twelve and a
half or, thirteen and it was wider than my boot
and a little bit.
Speaker 1: Bigger so that's kind of WHERE i was just.
Speaker 2: Guessing and AGAIN i don't, KNOW i hate to, say,
yes these are what they, are BUT i wanted to
pass them along and see what your thoughts would. BE i,
mean you've probably seen clearly way more THAN i ever
dreamed of, seeing and it was kind of cool THAT
i could kind of reconstruct it and kind of go
to that area and just kind of EITHER i got
lucky Or I'm i'm fooling myself into thinking it's something,
not you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean, WELL i mean they're the right, shape and they're
in a good, location and you, know one end of
the track is rounded like a hill and the other
one is kind of jagged like. Toes they're pressed down
into the. Ground your feet were not pressing down into the,
GROUND i would assume not like.
Speaker 1: That it wasn't definitely.
Speaker 3: NOT i, mean it's they're very, defined which to me
tells me that there's some weight behind. Them you, know
usually our own tracks on you, know just regular ground
surface that you don't leave like a solid impression like.
That sometimes you can if the ground's wet enough and
soft enough in the right, substrate with you, know a
hard sold shoe or, whatever because of the you, know
the density of the sole of the. Shoe but a
barefoot doesn't leave a clear impression like that unless you've
got some serious weight behind. It they were definitely too
wide to be a human, foot even if there was
some sort of you, know you're six or, four so
maybe there was like a seven foot tall guy with
giant feet walking around barefoot out behind the gun. Range,
yeah it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound very likely where this. WAS i, mean it
was it was, rocky and that was the other. THING
i was, like, barefoot is it? Possible you're right gun? Range?
Uphill you're basically walking on partly up there on like, gravel,
right and like who would walk up? There and on
my way up there actually saw a pretty big Snake
And i'm, like who would be walking around up your
barefoot in gravel behind a gun range clearly in snake?
Territory LIKE i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i just know you you would be doing all.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm not that courageous. Man i'm
a big whimp when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to that. Stuff and the best thing, is like
you found the location based on a, witness.
Speaker 1: You, know, yeah pieced it.
Speaker 2: Together and ACTUALLY i tracked him down and we had
an exchange over email, too just and he was, like,
yeah we usually don't check that, area he, Was they
go somewhere else on that that, Proper i'll, say the,
property but like that state, land they don't really go up.
Speaker 1: There SO i thought that was cool one and whatnot from?
Speaker 2: There so, yeah, Man so as far AS i, know
those are the the fog and these potential questionable bigfoot
tracks or the weirdest things THAT i know of That
i've experienced in the.
Speaker 3: Woods, WELL i appreciate you coming on here and talking
about it and sharing those, experiences and hopefully somebody out
there listening can shed a little light on the blinking
fog and we'll reach out And i'll connect.
Speaker 2: You that'd be. Awesome. Man, hey if you if you got,
time COULD i ask you one other question or discuss something?
Quick is that? Cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course.
Speaker 2: So. HOPFU i won't give my entire WHO i am,
away But i'm an eye doctor by, training and so
the eyes intrigued me.
Speaker 1: Greatly i'll say.
Speaker 2: That and my understanding, is and please correct me If i'm,
wrong that there are many who believe That bigfoot can see. Infrared, yes,
yes that is a fair.
Speaker 3: Statement there are a large number of people that Believe
bigfoot can see into the infrared.
Speaker 1: Spectrum that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Wild SO i may not be the best, SUBJECT i,
mean But i'll share WHAT i know and WHAT i,
think knowing that it's just a.
Speaker 1: Theory how about.
Speaker 2: THAT i don't want to like stand on, it you,
know But i've been wondering for a. While so to my.
Job the background here Is i've Mentioned i'm an eye,
doctor but part of my background IS i do some
of our clinical what we call. Electrophysiology it's where we
flash lights into people's eyes and we watch or we
measure the signal that is produced due to different strengths
and or sometimes even colors of. Light if that does
that track so? Far?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah and SO i know that with that particular
test we can set the stage to kind of tease
apart the photoreceptors in the back of the eye of the, retina,
right and so there's two main. Photoreceptors we have rods and.
Combes and forgive me.
Speaker 2: If i'm insulting your, Intelligence i'm just being very clear, here.
Speaker 3: A third grade, level.
Speaker 2: Fair, enough. Man so with, rods they're very very sensitive
at detecting small amounts of, light just like that's kind
of what we see in dim light, conditions but they're
not good at discriminating. Color it's basically saying yes or,
no there's a light, there, right just a little. Bit
so that's what we use predominantly in low light conditions
or darkner. Conditions, well on the other end of the,
spectrum we have cones of the second type of, photoreceptors
and generally with the, cones we have three types of
cones and normal, individuals we have a cone that's sensitive to,
red so it's hees red. Better you have a cone
that sees better with, green so it sees green. Better
and then we have a third one. Blue so with our,
eyes by combining different amounts of, red, green and, blue
that's where we see all of these colors from all around,
us if that makes, sense, Right and.
Speaker 1: We only see a small.
Speaker 2: Sliver of the electromagnetic radiation that's actually going on around,
us so we call it the visible. Spectrum it's based
upon wavelength of, light because all electromenetic radiation is a, wavelength,
right and so it's around four hundred to seven hundred
if we really want to mensure, IT i think it's
like three hundred and eighty nanimeters to maybe seven hundred
and fifty nanometers and the higher, end the seven to fifty,
end is kind of where red and infrared kind of
are near each, other especially get up in the eight
hundreds and above that for a little. Bit so, anyway
the REASON i set the stage there is it got
me thinking that if the, infrared if they can see,
infrared that kind of makes, sense whether if they're walking
around in the. Dark it makes me wonder if if
we're able to compare retinas to what we know about,
humans which is which is a leap, admittedly but just
like as a starting, point we generally have about one
hundred and twenty million rods in our, eyes and we
have six to seven million cones in our eyes as,
Well and it makes me, wonder are there different types of,
photoreceptors or different ratios or maybe different spreading out of
the photoreceptors in the back of the eyes that make
them likely to see the? Infrared if that makes. Sense
SO i guess What i'm posing, is is there really
an anatomical thing that if we were to get our
hands on a bigfoot, retina you, know or, whatever could
we predict that they would have different types of cones
or rods that were compared or that we would see in,
HUMANS i guess What i'm. Saying and on top of,
that IF i were to take a, Leap now this
is a. Theory. MAN i almost sound silly bringing this,
out But i've just thought about, it And i'm just
posing the. Question, right if humans can only see up
to say seven hundred or seven, fifty if you go
a little bit above that in the red spectrum that's
where the infrared comes. In what if they have more
red cones than green or blue and they're just slightly
more sensitive to that spectrum of. Color if they have
more and they're more, sensitive and at the expense of
downgrading the green and blue and the, rods they might
be color, deficient, right because you need three cones in
order to see detect color how we see it as, humans,
Right and that's definitely been shown in, humans, right as
far as color deficiency more common in men than women
and things like. That and so the REASON i wonder
if that's important is and this is where AGAIN i
almost seem stupid saying.
Speaker 1: This i'm just posing, it.
Speaker 3: Right you don't sound. Stupid if you sound, stupid THEN
i sound stupid because this is something THAT i have
rattled around in my head for. Decades, OH i got
good at one point in. TIME i went down the
eyesight rabbit hole and learned all of this information that
you're talking about right, now AND i think we ended
up at the same, place which means a lot to
me since you're an.
Speaker 2: Id, well that's pretty cool man that. YOU i, mean
you beat me to, it. Obviously but so here's the
next step beyond. That if if they are color, deficient
AND i don't know how we could do, this but
if certain cameras you could play with the wavelength of,
light could we find one that they can't see and
get better luck at detecting? Them does that make sense
using like a variation instead of the one standard infrared
for the trigger that they clearly at least from WHAT i,
Gather and you tell me If i'm. Wrong they seem
to see, that or that's the theory that they see.
It So i'm always, wondered if we change that wavelength
a little, bit is it possible that we could hide
in plain sight AND i have them not see. It so,
anyway that's my. Theory SO i went from background to
maybe color, blind and then the next step would, be
could we design a camera to test that theory and
see where it?
Speaker 1: Goes so, anyway man just nerd?
Speaker 3: Out There, no, NO i like nerding. Out so let
me see if we ended up at the same, place
WHICH i think we. Did so WHENEVER i was looking
at all, this see this is the, PROBLEM i get.
Sidetracked SO i reached. OUT i looked up the person
that seemed to be the leading authority on mammalian, eyesight
specifically primate eyesight in The United. States he was a
professor at a. UNIVERSITY i don't remember specifically his name
or the. University it's been a really long. TIME i
emailed the guy through the UNIVERSITY i, did AND i
just took a leap of faith AND i, Said, hey
this is WHO i. Am you, know humor. Me if
these things, exist and if they are a, primate would
they be able to see in the infrared? Spectrum and
his response was an explanation of how there's no primates
that we're aware of that can do. That there's you,
know certain animals with specialized sensory organs like, snakes you,
know pit vipers and things like that that can sense
infrared or. Whatever but he went further to explain that
The sun produces a tremendous amount of infrared and that
if something had the ability to see, infrared it would
pretty much be blinded during daylight hours because of all
the infrared that's produced by The. Sun it would be
way brighter to it than it is to. Us so
that would be my question to you first is if
something did have the ability to see in, infrared would
that be the? Case would it just be blinded all
the time by all the infrared that's around that we
can't normally. See, man that's a great. Question i've not
thought it through that. Far IF i had to, guess
and this is.
Speaker 2: Me, layman, LIKE i may change my mind IF i
do some digging and maybe talk more about. It, Right
but IF i had to guess there is a ton
of visible light coming from The sun that we do,
see why would that be different than?
Speaker 1: INFRARED i don't.
Speaker 2: Understand the infrared is more heat and it's, wavelength, Right
it's just, wavelength and so we're in the Same we're
not even like that crazy high beyond some of the
visible light as far as the wavelengths and all. That
So i'm, like, well wouldn't they be blind with any
of the other light coming off the, Sun like there
is an incredible, amount don't get me, wrong but there's
ALSO uv A uv B ubc visible, spectrum and then
some of the. Infrared LIKE i don't, KNOW i GUESS
i would For i've never looked in an infrared camera
just as a rough jumping off point in the, Daylight,
like is everything just like washed?
Speaker 1: OUT i would, assume Like i've never spent much.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah so maybe that's what he's.
Speaker 3: Inferencing, yeah like back in the day using like night,
vision if you turn it on in like daylight or light,
situations it just it ruins. It it actually broke the,
device so it flooded The, yeah it flooded the receptors or.
Whatever BUT i mean, again we're talking about, Wavelength so
the infrared coming off the sun could be a much
greater wavelength or you know What i'm saying completely AND
i follow higher wavelength than what they would be able to.
Speaker 2: See. Yeah maybe now when you when your when your camera,
broke were you looking at the sun with it or
were you just looking at the environment and it.
Speaker 3: Broke, no it was just an in general thing like
you you couldn't have them like, you like you never
wanted to turn your night vision on in like a
room that had the light, on because it would just
break it it was too much light coming.
Speaker 2: In Because i'm not an expert, there SO i don't
want to leave anyone, astray but it's just it's a.
Speaker 3: Guess, well and you're way more educated on the subject
THAN i. Am but my so to go on what
you were talking about and my own, research the CONCLUSION
i reached was that there was a possibility that they
would have a higher number of rods than what we would.
Have and if the cones were a different, ratio like you're,
saying where they could see in the, infrared and that
most likely meant that they would be more color deficient
in the blue spectrum.
Speaker 2: Potentially, yeah the if you so of the cones the, red,
green and, blue let's say, it the red and green will.
Dominate and yes there's blue in, there there's just not as,
many if that makes. Sense and so when you combine
the red and, green you get as far as maximal,
sensitivity you get tennis ball. Yellow that's why tennis balls are.
Yellow that's where our eyes have their highest, coloring, right
there they overlap right at that tennis ball yellow and
then so, yeah potentially it just it depends on how
the ratio would. Go if it leans more towards red
and there's less green or blue than those spectral curves
can shift a little.
Speaker 1: Bit and, yeah they.
Speaker 2: Might have a harder time with blue as an. Example
so then i'd, go, well can you develop a camera
with like blue or start with?
Speaker 1: Green you?
Speaker 2: Know in? Humans again we don't, know but in humans
the most common color defficiency is either red or, Green
and so, yeah LOGICALLY i might play around with the
red or green spectrum BEFORE i did the, blue just
to kind of see if we could find like a
wavelength that might be less detectable or something like. That
and it's funny you brought up the, rods because the
rods can't detect. Color so if there were less less
cones and way more, rods they'd be very sensitive for
like walking around at night and things like. That but
absolutely THEN i would think their color vision would decrease
significantly if a lot of that was shifted one way
or the. Other, now, again these are my. THEORIES i
don't want to claim to be an. Expert it's just
little Things i've thought about AND i just wanted to
bounce them off of you and see what your thoughts.
Were and sounds like we're kind of thinking similar. Things
that's really cool that you reached out to like a
vision expert like. That i'm not familiar with that ONE i.
Do this person does not know, me BUT i know of.
Them there's One university Of houston that does some comparative.
ANATOMY i understand it with retinas of you, know apes
and things like. That and so IF i could and
maybe that would be something that'd be awesome if you
could interview her or something like, that, yeah and agree to.
It so AGAIN i don't know, her but but, anyway
that would be kind of. Cool that was one anyway
those on my other questions was, like have you ever
interviewed someone that like an ocular comparative anatomy? Professor you
know that sort of, Thing and clearly you have based
upon what you've.
Speaker 3: Said SO i emailed one.
Speaker 2: Once that's.
Speaker 3: OKAY i would love to find one that's interested in
the subject and is open minded to it to talk
to about all this. Stuff another thing that fascinates me
THAT i have a hard time understanding from a logical
standpoint is the report worts of eye, glow where witnesses
are reporting eyes producing their own, light that it's definitely
not a reflection from a tape tom, lucidum that it's
actually producing a glowing usually a red. Color and for,
ME i just how would, that even even if the
science was, there even if the chemistry was there where
there's some sort of you, know bioluminescence thing, happening why
would it be in the. Eyes that seems counterproductive to.
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i, mean if you're having your own light produced,
inside so the goal of the eyes is to catch
light from the, environment not really send it back out,
Right AND i mean it's been a long time Since
i've looked at that particular part of, it BUT i
feel like that would make your vision. Worse like that
would be the worst thing you could do for, vision
because if you're projecting light, out then the light it's
going to bleach the light getting in that you would
use to.
Speaker 1: See so, so.
Speaker 2: And IF i understand it, right the tap of them
lucidam is not found in, apes not found in. Mammals not, Mammals,
Sorry i'm, sorry not. MAMMALS i meant apes, sorry.
Speaker 3: One PRIMATE i think that has it that's nocturnal entirely
and it's you, know, Nothing it's not like an, ape
it's a something entirely, different.
Speaker 2: Gotcha SO i, mean SO i don't know the tap
of the lucidam. Thing MAYBE i, mean if it's found
in other nocturnal, animals and then maybe that would be
something to think.
Speaker 1: About, AGAIN i would just be.
Speaker 2: Guessing BUT i do know that if you're part here's
WHAT i THINK i shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Say, no here's my theory on.
Speaker 2: This if their eyes are as big as what people
witnesses report that have seen, THEM i mean they describe ginormous,
eyes like huge, Ones so then their pupils would be
way bigger than what we would have right in.
Speaker 1: The same type of.
Speaker 2: Illumination and if they're seeing them at, night obviously the
pupils are going to be ginormous compared to. Normal and
the back of the eye there is a layer called the,
choroid which is like a big bloody, sponge and its
job is to bring nutrients to the, eye flush it,
out keep the temperature down so we don't burnt holes
in our. Eyes and the choroid has depending on how
you measure it either is one or two in the
highest blood flow in the entire body per unit, Volume
so it's depending on how you. Measure it goes back
and forth between the coid and the, kidneys if, that you.
Know and So i'm going there's a high amount of blood.
Flow is the reddish color just from the pupils being
huge in the in the dark and it's reflecting the
ambient light even though it's super. Dark it doesn't mean
that there's not just a little bit. There, SPECIFICALLY i
don't infrared absorbs infrared and then you get kind of
a reddish glow coming back. Out could that be? It
you know WHAT i?
Speaker 1: Mean or like the red eyes on cameras and things like.
Speaker 3: That, YEAH i mean that was another thing THAT i
thought about was if there is some sort of reflective
membrane that they have to help them in their night.
Vision is it potentially possible that with the larger eyes
and the larger, pupils like you're, saying taking in more,
light that it maybe bounces around to magnify the amount of,
light so it spends more time in the eye processing the,
light and because of, this it changes the wavelength and
produces a red.
Speaker 2: Light, yeah we have cameras that we shine into people's
eyes and we selectively let wavelengths come out to give
us different information about the.
Speaker 1: Back so, like for, example we could.
Speaker 2: Shine in, uh you, KNOW i would WHAT i guess
like a like a like a bluish light into the
back of the eyes and then we can get like
a greenish color. Out so it's not out of the
realm of possibility that you shine one wavelength in and
it gets absorbed or changed comes out.
Speaker 1: Slightly, different if that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense we do that for florescian angiographies and like just
it's a oh electronic like excitation and uh fluorescence and
things like. That so there's different ways to do. That,
man IF i have any of my colleagues out there
that they might just like. Rip these are all theories
And i'm just having, fun like nerd and, Out so
please don't take WHAT i say as. Gospel they're just
ideas based upon what i've you, know What i've learned
and WHAT i do and just a jumping off point
AND i am open to any criticism or anything like.
That it's just fun to think, about, Right and sometimes
this converse stimulate other ideas and like, huh or maybe
someone comes out and corrects, me or maybe they're, like,
no maybe that is. True and then you, know we
just having the dialogue to be, like, hey what if
or what? About this opens up so many. DOORS i
don't know if you agree with, that but it's been helpful.
Speaker 3: For, me, absolutely AND i appreciate. IT i appreciate you
taking the time to throw this stuff out there and
talk about. IT i, MEAN i enjoy. IT i know
the listeners enjoy hearing that sort of, thing at least
some of. Them and you, know you got me thinking
about THINGS i haven't thought about in a long. Time, awesome, man.
Speaker 2: Awesome, WELL i can't thank you enough for just letting,
me you, know babble on and share my. Experience. MATT
i really appreciate. IT i really really. Do thank you
for taking the time to just hang out for a little.
Speaker 3: While, oh no. PROBLEM i appreciate you coming on and
taking the leap of, faith and hopefully it will open
some new.
Speaker 1: Doors that'd be pretty.
Speaker 2: Awesome that'd be pretty.
Speaker 3: Awesome if you've had your own encounter with bigfoot or
blinking fog or something else you can't, explain you'd like
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