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Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earful or he's

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not going to believe me. I kept going, all right,

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do I bring this up? And I was I was

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trying to get up the courage to ask him, because, like.

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Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.

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to get an earful here or not. And I finally

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got the courage and I'm like, Dad, Man, I got

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to ask you something, did you?

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Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too?

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Speaker 2: This morning? And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man,

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Like you saw it? And so it was almost like

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he was waiting for me to bring it up. Once

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I brought it up, He's like, you saw the blinking fogs?

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Speaker 1: Who didn't you?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.

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And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the

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same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,

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but it was this on off, same cadence and everything,

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and I was like, what the heck is that? And

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he's like, Chris, I don't know. Man.

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Speaker 3: At the end of each episode, I like to remind

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people that there's something in the woods, and sometimes that's

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not Bigfoot. There's other things out there that people experience

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that we don't have an explanation for that hasn't been proven,

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but that doesn't make them any less real. And my

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guest on this episode is a person that has experienced

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one of those things that has really intrigued me, and

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I was fortunate enough to have him agree to come

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on and talk about it. Chris, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads.

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Speaker 1: I Matt, thanks for having me man.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate the opportunity to share my experience and

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see if anyone else has experienced this as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so before we get to that, you're a listener

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and enjoyer, I hope a Bigfoot podcast around the internet.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, listen to them all the time.

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Speaker 3: Boy, got you interested in that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Good question. So my dad is kind of an outdoorsy

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guy and loved all the National Geographic and all those

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kind of mystery things growing up, and I just remember

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him watching a documentary on the Patterson Gimblin film and

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watching the film and being like, Wow, what if something's

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out there like that? And so that was when I

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was a kid. I don't know, probably eight or less.

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late eighties early nineties when I saw it and piqued

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my interests. I've been curious about it ever since, ever since.

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Speaker 1: So that's where it started.

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Speaker 3: Now, did you have experiences growing up or anything with

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you know, what I call the unexplained paranormal cryptids and

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anything like that.

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Speaker 2: A good question. No, I really haven't. The experience we're

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going to talk about is really the only thing I

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can think of that ever was like weird enough to mention.

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So now I didn't have any paranormal anything happened growing up? Nope.

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to point out that sometimes there are people out there

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who they'll experience something, or they'll have like kind of

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a lifelong thing going on where they experience one thing

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after another, or sometimes they experience something and then they

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start experiencing other things. But then every once in a

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while that's not the case. Sometimes there's a person who's like, yeah,

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nothing ever happened until this happened. That's it, and that's

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kind of where you're at. And so yeah, let's just

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get right into it walk us through everything. You know,

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what was going on that day, what you were doing,

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and what you experienced.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: At any point you want me to clarify or have

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a question, please interrupt me. I don't mind.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up in a small town.

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Speaker 2: In northwestern Illinois.

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Speaker 1: It's called Sulton, Illinois if you look it up.

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a river rat combined. But my dad and I we

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would hunt and fish like in all our spare time.

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my dad was just loved being out in the woods

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and he'd take me with him. So deer hunting, square

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hunt and rabbit and all that stuff basically spent my childhood.

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thousand and five, it was opening a week of deer season.

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in a really small town called Mount Carroll, Illinois. If

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you look it up on a map, it's off Skunk

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Hollow Road up in Mount Carroll, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: So kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of it?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Cool? All right? Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Why does that jump out to you?

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hitting boots on the ground research, one of the things

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we would look at geographically was place names, old place names,

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specifically hollows and roads and things like that. And skunk

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people always smelled skunks whenever they were in the area.

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look for potential bigfoot areas.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's really cool. I never thought of that.

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way too. I can interject what his thoughts were along

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anything but one farmhouse and it was like a mile

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Speaker 2: Is it blood flow to my eyes? I mean, I couldn't.

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like what the heck is that it to like pause

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what I'm about to say. But my dad is a

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wonderful guy, a good dude, blue collar, hard worker, like

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his integrity is everything to him, and.

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Speaker 2: He would listen to everything I had, but lying and

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making up stuff was not his bag.

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Speaker 1: That was definitely something he instilled in me. And so

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Speaker 2: Because I'm either going to get an earfull or he's

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not gonna believe me. And on the other side of that,

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he'd make fun of me a little bit, and in

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a good way, like that was our that's our relationship,

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joking and kind of picking and poking at each other.

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that's going to come if I tell him what I

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just saw? So all morning I didn't see it deer

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that day, but all morning I kept going, all right,

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do I bring this up? Because usually around noon or so,

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I would go down to his stand and he had

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this huge built up scaffolding stand that he built and

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get up the courage to ask him, because, like.

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Speaker 1: I said, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, did you see the fog too? This morning?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, man, Like you

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saw it? And so it was almost like he was

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waiting for me to bring it up because he's the

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guy like between the two of us, he wasn't going

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to say nothing because he's like, you know, it's just

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one of those hardcore, you know, blue collar guys though,

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you know. And and so he once I brought it up,

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he's like, you saw the blinking fog too, didn't you?

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And I'm like, you're freaking kidding me, Yeah I did.

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And so we started talking comparing notes. He said the

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same thing. It was this dull gray. It definitely wasn't bright,

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but it was this on off same cadence and everything,

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and I was like, what the heck is that? And

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he's like, Chris, I don't know, man, And he said

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he had never seen any anything like that before. My

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knowledge has not seen anything like that after and either

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of I it was a one and done. We both

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saw it, same day, same time, and we're both a

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little nervous to bring it up to each other, but

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once we did, we've talked about it for twenty years

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and his story has never changed and in neither is mine.

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don't remember anything after that. There was an incident that

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I was not there for. This is this is my

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dad's story. This would have been I think after that,

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a December, because the reason I say that is it

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would have been deer season. But I think it would

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have been second season, which is later in December. So

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when I was in college, I would have to stay

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at college to take finals. It was always around that time, right,

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like the fall semester would end in December, right, And

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so I would always have to skip day one or

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two so that I could finish five and then drive back.

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So it was one of those. It was either a

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Thursday or a Friday. I don't believe it was the

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same year. I think it was after that. And he's

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walking out to his stand even earlier than what I

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did that day was the blinking fog thing. And the

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funny thing was he never told me what I'm about

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to tell you until we had like like years later,

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when we were talking about the fog, and he goes, Hey,

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did I ever tell you about this other story? And

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I'm like, you're kidding me, you know anyways? Come on, man, Yeah, thanks? Dad, Like,

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what are you doing to me mad? So he brought up.

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He goes he's walking out to his stand again, he's

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by himself. I'm not there, and he gets in his

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stand and he goes, Chris, the forest next to us

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that we could not hunt and we never we never

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would trespass, but you could see like the whole hillside

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of someone else's timber. He said it exploded in light,

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and I'm like, what do you mean. He goes the

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entire timber lit up, and I'm like, Dad, I don't,

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I don't understand and like, what do you mean and

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he goes, I don't know else to say it, Chris,

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the entire timber just exploded in light, like I'll say,

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a spotlight, but it wasn't like headlights or anything like that.

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And I'm like, are you sure it wasn't a truck

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and he's like, no, it wasn't a truck.

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Speaker 1: He was I never heard anything. I never heard anybody

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talking like. He goes, there's no one walking out there.

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The light wasn't bouncing like someone was walking.

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Speaker 2: He goes, the entire timber lit up, like exploded in

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light maybe I don't know, for five to ten seconds,

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and then it went out and never happened again. It

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was as he was walking to a stand, That's what was.

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He was walking through the cornfield and this whole timber

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lit up and I'm like, did you I was joking.

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I'm like, did you see the craft or anything? He goes, Nope, nope,

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never saw anything. It was only the light. And again

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you'd have to know my dad for this part of

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the story. But my dad ain't scared and nothing, man,

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there was nothing. That guy wouldn't walk out in the

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timber to go hunting like that stop him and he

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goes Chris. It kind of freaked me out, and I

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hesitated to go to the stand that morning.

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Speaker 1: He still went he's the man, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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And so it sounds like, you know, guys just.

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Speaker 3: Like my dad, like my great grandfather that raised me,

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was exactly like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you know exactly what I mean. Like

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for him to even admit that he was scared was

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kind of a big deal. I don't know if scared

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but like frightened or just enough to hesitate and be like,

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oh crap. Yeah, but he went anyway, Like I said,

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he's in his late seventies.

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Speaker 1: His memory's going a little bit, and so when.

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Speaker 2: I ask him questions now about it, be like, yeah,

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I do remember that, but it's like the details have

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become fuzzy, if that makes sense. So all I have

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is kind of the story that he told me around

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that time. So so really that's the one man, Like

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the blinking fog and then the explosion in the light

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that my dad saw also a skunk hollow road Carol, Illinois.

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So that's what I reached out to you about. And

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I have I'll say I'm cagy maybe that's a good term.

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Or I'm hesitant to share the story with people until

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I get to know them, But I do bring it

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up with friends and acquaintances from time to time, and

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usually I'll I'll just say hey, most of them are

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hunters or campers, and I'll just go, hey, have you

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ever seen anything strange out there?

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Speaker 1: And they're like, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: And usually I start off with a story about my

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dad and I seeing a mountain lion in the same

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area and they were not there. The DNR said, no,

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there's no such nut here, and I'm like, well, that's

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a load of crap, because we've both seen it with

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our own eyes, sitting in the same stand and we

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know there's mountain lions here. And then that gets going,

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and then I'll be like, hey, have you ever seen

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or heard of like a blinking fog? And I've brought

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that up no more than twenty times to maybe twenty

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different people, maybe more a dozen to twenty people, and

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no one has ever understood what I was saying. They

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were like, what are you what And I'm like, don't.

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Clearly they don't know what I saw.

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Speaker 3: They haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: They haven't seen it, and I was like, well, I

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sat on it for twenty years and I would bring

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it up. But then after I was listening to your

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podcast and honestly, I just appreciate.

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Speaker 1: How you interview people and no judgment.

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Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I'll just shoot them in an email,

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because I would imagine you get emails constantly, and not

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everything you hear makes it on the show.

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Speaker 1: There's just not enough time. But I was like, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Something people reach out with things other than Bigfoot, and

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maybe this would be something that you've heard about or

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someone had reached out before. So mainly I was just

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seeing if anyone else has ever run across this blinking

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fog that I call So that's where it came from. Man,

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that's the story.

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Speaker 3: So first, like you just said, you were reluctant to

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come on and share. Originally I did ask your permission

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to share the story because it piqued my interest. I

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wanted to know if anybody else as witnessed this or

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heard of this before. You did agree to come on

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and share the story. Awesome, I'm glad you did.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's worthy.

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Speaker 2: Man. I don't know if it's very cool, but I

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you know.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's worthy. But yeah, If anybody out there listening

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has experienced blinking fog or something similar, please please contact me.

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You can send me an email, you can message me

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directly through the website Bigfook Crossroads dot com, find me

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on Facebook or Instagram, wherever you need to reach out at.

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Please do so because I'm sure Chris wants some answers,

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and I want some answers to my first question. This

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is property that you guys hunted yearly for a while?

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I take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there for a long time, man, probably

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I would guess around two thousand ish too, probably when

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I was done with grad school, med school stuff, so

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that would have been two thousand and ten. My dad

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kept going, I would say twelve to fifteen years. We

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hunted that same piece of property basically every year for

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deer season. Multiple times. Yeah, yes, sir, it was a

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private It was private property. A farmer that my dad

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went to high school with. They remained friends, and he'd

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just go, hey, can we go hunting up there? And

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he's like absolutely, So it was just the two of

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us that were only ever in that particular area.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys ever talk to the property owner about this?

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Speaker 2: Great question? I wish I would have. We didn't. It

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never even dawned on us. And honestly, I don't know

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if the guy is a great guy and he's a

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good friend of my dad's, but he's kind of a

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no nonsense farmer and I think he would have brushed

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it off anyway.

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Speaker 1: As like an So I guess I didn't get the

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courage to ask him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as far as I know, my dad's never

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brought it up. He's had some health problems and so

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I I guess I haven't seen him in a while.

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But no, So long story short, we've not asked him.

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But that's a great idea. I should, I really should.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear about any other unrelated strange experiences in

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the area growing up from like other people or whenever

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you were asking about the fog? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing paranormal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we'd have a random wildlife that would come

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through that would be extremely rare, you know, like wolverines

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and stuff like that for the area, but like, nothing

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weird that I can remember anyway, Nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: No, man, not much to go on, is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean yes and no. From your description, it

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sounds like it was pulsing DeMar and then brighter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, pulsation or pulsing is a good term for it.

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Again at that cadence and when it when it got brighter,

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it wasn't bright. I'm saying brighter comparison to like when

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it was dark like off and on. Yeah, but when

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it was on, it was it was dim, but it

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was noticeably there pulsating, yeah, off and on, if that

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makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And it was rolling down the hill towards your location.

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Speaker 2: From my right to my left, which is kind of

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where the hill would kind of fall. So it was

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like any other rolling fog that you've anyone's probably seen

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that's been any time outside, right, But this one was

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noticeably pulsating is a great term. It is a great term.

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Speaker 3: Manh Did it have a visible top to it or

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did it extend up into the air above where you

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could see.

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Speaker 2: It? Did have I have a top? If I was

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in my stand, which is twelve to fifteen feet, so

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my head would have been fifteen to twenty feet above it.

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Speaker 1: If I was on the ground, I would have guessed

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it would have been my waist height. I'm six' four

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so probably you, know three or four feet off the. Ground,

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YEAH i could see you, know like, fog you can

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see through it for the most, part but you could

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again see it kind of roll down the hill covered

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the whole. Hillside so from my, perspective WHERE i really

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saw the bulk of the i'll say the pulsating or the,

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BLINKING i would have guessed thirty yards something like, that

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twenty to thirty yards to WHERE i could really.

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Speaker 3: See, it so it never encompassed, you.

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Speaker 1: No, note just kept rolling down the hill and watched.

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Speaker 2: It and then as like as the sky kind of

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the lights came on with the, sun basically it kind

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of faded away or just WHAT i was unable to

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see it at that, point like it was being i'll,

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say bleached out by the.

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Speaker 3: Sun any experiences that you recall of missing?

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Speaker 2: Time, ooh good. Question, no not THAT i know, Of

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not THAT i know, Of AND i THINK i know

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why you're asking If i've heard that question. Before but

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to my, KNOWLEDGE i don't have any experience with missing

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time That i'm aware.

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Speaker 3: Of, so LIKE i, said you piqued my interest with this.

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One and there was one email THAT i had received

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00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:33,039
a year or two ago from a guy in THE

473
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:41,799
uk which had just like an amazing story and he

474
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:46,319
actually sent me some materials where there was some historic

475
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480
case in the area that was similar to his in

476
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,359
what they. Saw they saw it basically what sounds like

477
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,880
a bigfoot, creature but there's some definite things to it

478
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,880
that stand out beyond just like our Typical american bigfoot.

479
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,279
Stuff but one of the things he mentioned was a

480
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:13,599
mist and that this mist had THESE i think he

481
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:21,359
used the word kind of like a, pearl iridescent points

482
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,440
of light inside the mist that were pulsing brighter and.

483
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:32,519
Dimmer but that was like the closest thing and the

484
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,240
only thing THAT i could remember of mention of anything

485
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:40,119
that involved like a fog or a mist and like

486
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:46,839
it behaving. Strangely, Yeah so from THERE i did what

487
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:56,079
everybody does these, days AND i asked CHAT. Gpt according

488
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,920
to CHAT, gpt this is something that, yeah people have

489
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:10,880
reported before throughout, history different versions of, it pulsing fog

490
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,759
just seemingly to just disappear, suddenly not like, dissipate but

491
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,440
just be gone and then come back the pulsing LIKE i.

492
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:28,599
Said and something kind of interesting was it's oftentimes reported

493
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,119
IN ufo situations and was actually connected to the famous

494
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,720
accounts Of foo. Fighters so whenever you said that your

495
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,319
dad mentioned the bright flash of. Light that's kind of

496
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,400
interesting BECAUSE i mean it kind of goes along in

497
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,440
lines with that sort of. Thing, clearly you did not

498
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,880
see A ufo or you, know any aliens or anything

499
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,440
in the deer.

500
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,559
Speaker 1: Stand, no it definitely definitely not can not see.

501
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,599
Speaker 3: That, no missing. Time missing times also something that's brought

502
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,440
up with this sort of.

503
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: Thing so for, Myself, No i've never actually asked my

504
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:14,119
dad that. Question i'll ask him AND i can follow

505
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,519
up and. See The only downside of that is he's

506
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,559
in his seventies AND i can clearly see his memories

507
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,359
starting to kind of go a little, Bit SO i

508
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,680
don't know if he says, no it's still, maybe you

509
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,559
know WHAT i. Mean SO i don't know how trustworthy

510
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:30,839
it would. Be but BUT i can ask him and.

511
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,240
See but that wouldn't that be? Wild can't?

512
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,079
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah at least there are some instances where, like

513
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,200
you're not the only people in existence to experience this

514
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:46,319
sort of. Thing apparently it's something that other people have.

515
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,039
EXPERIENCED i can send you the information that it gave.

516
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Me how correct and accurate that information IS i don't,

517
00:27:54,519 --> 00:28:00,240
know but it it did there were several different uh you,

518
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,680
know it went through the whole cabitt of like, yeah in,

519
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,279
folklore these things are, said and then this, happened and

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,160
this sas said and all, that and then here's like

521
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,720
some natural phenomenon that take, place, Right and SO i

522
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:17,680
then inquired, Specifically, okay well let's just narrow it down

523
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:25,200
specifically to this type of behavior and would that potentially

524
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,599
be explained by some naturally occurring? Phenomenon and CHAT gpt

525
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:37,839
was like, no not, really so, like, YEAH i don't

526
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:39,720
really know what to make of. THAT i don't know

527
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,079
how accurate that, is LIKE i, said but it's something

528
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:49,400
where apparently there is a breadcrumb trail that can be

529
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,839
followed a little bit more and maybe there's some you,

530
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,559
know documented cases of this that you or you AND

531
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:57,119
i could look.

532
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 2: INTO i, mean that's super.

533
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Cool that's super. COOL i GUESS i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have.

534
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: Guessed you mentioned missed versus, fog just just So i'm

535
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000
being clear and What i'm trying to. DESCRIBE i think

536
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,720
it was way more fog than missed in my, experience

537
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,039
just to be clear on. That it looks just like

538
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,319
fog to, me like regular. Fog, Right so, yeah, man

539
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:28,240
that's pretty.

540
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:29,319
Speaker 1: Cool, man that's pretty.

541
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: Strange what's the nearest like body of water to this?

542
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Location so The Mississippi river is probably the main.

543
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: Thing, well, no now That i'm thinking about, IT i

544
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400
mean from a Landmark. Misissippi but there, is as the

545
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,720
crow flies kind of through the timber to someone else's,

546
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:54,559
property there are i'll say two retention lakes are kind

547
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:59,640
of square shaped to the northeast of this. Property they're

548
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,279
probably the size of a football field or, less would

549
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,519
be my. Guest two of. Those is? That so is

550
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,440
that you talking about like a farm. Pod it's basically

551
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,599
like a farm pond and like a rectangle or square. Shape. Right,

552
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:15,839
yeah they're like two right next to each, other with

553
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,759
like a road right in between. Them but there there

554
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:21,839
was a creek that ran right through the middle of the,

555
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,960
cornfield but at most it would have BEEN i don't,

556
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
know the cafe deep ankle deep for the most, part you,

557
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,599
know that sort of.

558
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,759
Speaker 1: Thing so but other than, that that was.

559
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,039
Speaker 3: It any electrical right of ways.

560
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,759
Speaker 1: Let me, Think, NO i don't remember seeing any of.

561
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,079
Speaker 2: Those just regular power lines going down the of, course

562
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:44,400
the roads and all that to feed the.

563
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: Farmhouses but no of.

564
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: The gigantic power power. Line nothing like that THAT i can.

565
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,759
Speaker 3: Remember any railroads.

566
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Railroads uh not near, There, Nope, no not THAT i can.

567
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: Remember, man you are not checking any of the. Boxes i'm.

568
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: Not i'm, Sorry, MAN i WISH i.

569
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,839
Speaker 3: Was, No, no this is the kind of STUFF i,

570
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,359
like this. Is this is something, new. MAN i just

571
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,039
WISH i had some. Answers just the fact.

572
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: That you're willing to listen and just maybe he'll broadcast

573
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,599
it out there and see if anyone else has more.

574
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Experience like that's, cool, MAN i really appreciate, That like

575
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,839
this is it's not eating away at my, brain but

576
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,400
it comes up from time to time And i'm, LIKE i, wonder, yeah.

577
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,319
Speaker 1: If anyone else has noticed.

578
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: That and SO i appreciate you just listening and maybe

579
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,559
you know the platform to share. That that's totally. Cool.

580
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course speaking of, which you did send me

581
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,359
some interesting.

582
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,799
Speaker 2: Photos, yeah we can talk about that if you. Want.

583
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,599
Speaker 3: Yeah so you were listening to a guest on an.

584
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: Episode, yeah, yes, YEAH i. WAS i.

585
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,839
Speaker 1: WAS i heard an. ENCOUNTER i am so fascinated with

586
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,519
the Big foot.

587
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,359
Speaker 2: Topic it's just a fun, topic you know for me

588
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,920
AND i don't have any answers to, anything BUT i

589
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,000
heard this particular, encounter witness his experience and kind of

590
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:18,880
what he was, doing AND i kind of reconstructed where

591
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,559
he was. Talking he said some clues in his, interview

592
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,480
AND i was, like that sounds, familiar AND i slowly

593
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,599
pieced it, together and In april of twenty twenty, FOUR

594
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,799
i was driving back to my. HOMETOWN i live in

595
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,839
The memphis area, now BUT i was driving home Towards, Fulton,

596
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,880
illinois WHERE i grew.

597
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,839
Speaker 1: Up my mom was having surgery at a local.

598
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,759
Speaker 2: University she had a brain tumor and is doing well,

599
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,400
now but she was going to go through, that and

600
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,400
SO i was just driving home to be there to

601
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,279
support her and my dad as that. Happened AND i

602
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,279
had a little downtime AND i REALIZED i was going

603
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,200
right by this, place and so it was really a

604
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,279
very short detour on the way up to see my,

605
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:06,880
parents and SO i.

606
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Was by, myself and SO i was, like let me

607
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,400
go check this place. Out and so it was in Southeast,

608
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,680
missouri north Of Cape.

609
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,599
Speaker 2: GIRARDO i pieced it together and found This it's The

610
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,240
Apple Creek conservancy, there AND i was, LIKE i could

611
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,559
get that, far AND i started walking around AND i

612
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,279
found this trail AND i just walked up it like

613
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,640
hiking up. It it was Not it's not a trail

614
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,039
like game trail or hiking trail per. Se it was

615
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,920
a little bit of a utility. Trail they were putting

616
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,039
in power. Poles AND i followed it for about a

617
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,319
mile and ran across maybe maybe some, footprints and that's

618
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,920
WHAT i sent you some tracks. There they were not

619
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,240
the greatest, quality to be. HONEST i stopped on the

620
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,960
way there and then on the way back from over

621
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,759
a few days and it had rained and kind of

622
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,599
washed it. OUT i didn't even think about taking pictures

623
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,760
WHEN i the first, time BUT i saw them and

624
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,920
they to, me they looked clearer than the pictures THAT i,

625
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,320
got you, know a couple of days. Prior BUT i

626
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,440
should have coulda. Would so on the way, BACK i was,

627
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
LIKE i should really stop and take a. Picture so

628
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:27,079
after thinking about, IT i. Stopped put my driver's license

629
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,480
next to the. IMPRESSIONS i guess probably better to call

630
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,599
it an impression than a, TRACK i suppose for size,

631
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,000
Comparison AND i took three pictures AND i sent them

632
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,199
to you again admittedly they're they're not great. Quality, man

633
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,360
if you look IN i feel, like if you squit really,

634
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,199
hard maybe you can make out some. Toes but it

635
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
was really weird WHERE i followed this, Track, LIKE i

636
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,079
don't think people go up. There it was behind a gun.

637
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,559
Range it was probably risky to do. That no one

638
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,559
was shooting that, day, thankfully but, like who would walk

639
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:57,440
up behind a gun?

640
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: Range you know? Otherwise and you.

641
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,079
Speaker 2: Know and THEN i found these tracks right on the

642
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,239
right in this little, opening and that's WHAT i took

643
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,159
the pictures. OF i never did the calculation for however

644
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:11,480
big the driver's.

645
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: License, is to compare to the.

646
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,519
Speaker 2: TRACK i don't know WHY i didn't do, That but

647
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,519
IF i had to, GUESS i don't, know thirteen fourteen

648
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:17,159
inches MAYBE i.

649
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: Don't what do you think or have you that you've

650
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:19,679
seen it?

651
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,159
Speaker 3: Yet, YEAH i was going to say probably between twelve

652
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:23,800
and fifteen.

653
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: Inches, yeah that sounds very. REASONABLE i remember putting my

654
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:30,960
boot next to. It i'm around at twelve and a

655
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,880
half or, thirteen and it was wider than my boot

656
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,480
and a little bit.

657
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: Bigger so that's kind of WHERE i was just.

658
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,559
Speaker 2: Guessing and AGAIN i don't, KNOW i hate to, say,

659
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,960
yes these are what they, are BUT i wanted to

660
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,800
pass them along and see what your thoughts would. BE i,

661
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,599
mean you've probably seen clearly way more THAN i ever

662
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,320
dreamed of, seeing and it was kind of cool THAT

663
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,159
i could kind of reconstruct it and kind of go

664
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,920
to that area and just kind of EITHER i got

665
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,960
lucky Or I'm i'm fooling myself into thinking it's something,

666
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,679
not you know WHAT i.

667
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: Mean, WELL i mean they're the right, shape and they're

668
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,679
in a good, location and you, know one end of

669
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,840
the track is rounded like a hill and the other

670
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,960
one is kind of jagged like. Toes they're pressed down

671
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,599
into the. Ground your feet were not pressing down into the,

672
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:25,840
GROUND i would assume not like.

673
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,079
Speaker 1: That it wasn't definitely.

674
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: NOT i, mean it's they're very, defined which to me

675
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:37,320
tells me that there's some weight behind. Them you, know

676
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:44,800
usually our own tracks on you, know just regular ground

677
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,199
surface that you don't leave like a solid impression like.

678
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,280
That sometimes you can if the ground's wet enough and

679
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,280
soft enough in the right, substrate with you, know a

680
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,440
hard sold shoe or, whatever because of the you, know

681
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,360
the density of the sole of the. Shoe but a

682
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,039
barefoot doesn't leave a clear impression like that unless you've

683
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,000
got some serious weight behind. It they were definitely too

684
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:14,000
wide to be a human, foot even if there was

685
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:18,119
some sort of you, know you're six or, four so

686
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,079
maybe there was like a seven foot tall guy with

687
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,800
giant feet walking around barefoot out behind the gun. Range,

688
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:24,960
yeah it.

689
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound very likely where this. WAS i, mean it

690
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,320
was it was, rocky and that was the other. THING

691
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,599
i was, like, barefoot is it? Possible you're right gun? Range?

692
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,559
Uphill you're basically walking on partly up there on like, gravel,

693
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,719
right and like who would walk up? There and on

694
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,559
my way up there actually saw a pretty big Snake

695
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,280
And i'm, like who would be walking around up your

696
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,559
barefoot in gravel behind a gun range clearly in snake?

697
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,039
Territory LIKE i don't.

698
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: KNOW i just know you you would be doing all.

699
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: That, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm not that courageous. Man i'm

700
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,360
a big whimp when it.

701
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: Comes to that. Stuff and the best thing, is like

702
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,360
you found the location based on a, witness.

703
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,039
Speaker 1: You, know, yeah pieced it.

704
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Together and ACTUALLY i tracked him down and we had

705
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,679
an exchange over email, too just and he was, like,

706
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,599
yeah we usually don't check that, area he, Was they

707
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,480
go somewhere else on that that, Proper i'll, say the,

708
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,159
property but like that state, land they don't really go up.

709
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: There SO i thought that was cool one and whatnot from?

710
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: There so, yeah, Man so as far AS i, know

711
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:37,480
those are the the fog and these potential questionable bigfoot

712
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,880
tracks or the weirdest things THAT i know of That

713
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
i've experienced in the.

714
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,199
Speaker 3: Woods, WELL i appreciate you coming on here and talking

715
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,199
about it and sharing those, experiences and hopefully somebody out

716
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,119
there listening can shed a little light on the blinking

717
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,280
fog and we'll reach out And i'll connect.

718
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,519
Speaker 2: You that'd be. Awesome. Man, hey if you if you got,

719
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,159
time COULD i ask you one other question or discuss something?

720
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,079
Quick is that? Cool?

721
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:07,159
Speaker 3: Yeah of, course.

722
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,119
Speaker 2: So. HOPFU i won't give my entire WHO i am,

723
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,079
away But i'm an eye doctor by, training and so

724
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,599
the eyes intrigued me.

725
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:19,639
Speaker 1: Greatly i'll say.

726
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,039
Speaker 2: That and my understanding, is and please correct me If i'm,

727
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:33,000
wrong that there are many who believe That bigfoot can see. Infrared, yes,

728
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,679
yes that is a fair.

729
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,039
Speaker 3: Statement there are a large number of people that Believe

730
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,519
bigfoot can see into the infrared.

731
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,639
Speaker 1: Spectrum that's pretty.

732
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: Wild SO i may not be the best, SUBJECT i,

733
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,079
mean But i'll share WHAT i know and WHAT i,

734
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,840
think knowing that it's just a.

735
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,559
Speaker 1: Theory how about.

736
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: THAT i don't want to like stand on, it you,

737
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,360
know But i've been wondering for a. While so to my.

738
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,960
Job the background here Is i've Mentioned i'm an eye,

739
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,400
doctor but part of my background IS i do some

740
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:11,559
of our clinical what we call. Electrophysiology it's where we

741
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,880
flash lights into people's eyes and we watch or we

742
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:21,079
measure the signal that is produced due to different strengths

743
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,920
and or sometimes even colors of. Light if that does

744
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,000
that track so? Far?

745
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah and SO i know that with that particular

746
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,199
test we can set the stage to kind of tease

747
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,519
apart the photoreceptors in the back of the eye of the, retina,

748
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,559
right and so there's two main. Photoreceptors we have rods and.

749
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:42,800
Combes and forgive me.

750
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: If i'm insulting your, Intelligence i'm just being very clear, here.

751
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,119
Speaker 3: A third grade, level.

752
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: Fair, enough. Man so with, rods they're very very sensitive

753
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,679
at detecting small amounts of, light just like that's kind

754
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,800
of what we see in dim light, conditions but they're

755
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,159
not good at discriminating. Color it's basically saying yes or,

756
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,239
no there's a light, there, right just a little. Bit

757
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,400
so that's what we use predominantly in low light conditions

758
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,079
or darkner. Conditions, well on the other end of the,

759
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,880
spectrum we have cones of the second type of, photoreceptors

760
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480
and generally with the, cones we have three types of

761
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:23,960
cones and normal, individuals we have a cone that's sensitive to,

762
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,320
red so it's hees red. Better you have a cone

763
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,360
that sees better with, green so it sees green. Better

764
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,400
and then we have a third one. Blue so with our,

765
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,079
eyes by combining different amounts of, red, green and, blue

766
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,920
that's where we see all of these colors from all around,

767
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,800
us if that makes, sense, Right and.

768
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: We only see a small.

769
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: Sliver of the electromagnetic radiation that's actually going on around,

770
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,239
us so we call it the visible. Spectrum it's based

771
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,960
upon wavelength of, light because all electromenetic radiation is a, wavelength,

772
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,079
right and so it's around four hundred to seven hundred

773
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,440
if we really want to mensure, IT i think it's

774
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,679
like three hundred and eighty nanimeters to maybe seven hundred

775
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,800
and fifty nanometers and the higher, end the seven to fifty,

776
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,280
end is kind of where red and infrared kind of

777
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,360
are near each, other especially get up in the eight

778
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,119
hundreds and above that for a little. Bit so, anyway

779
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,199
the REASON i set the stage there is it got

780
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,519
me thinking that if the, infrared if they can see,

781
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,719
infrared that kind of makes, sense whether if they're walking

782
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,800
around in the. Dark it makes me wonder if if

783
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,480
we're able to compare retinas to what we know about,

784
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,119
humans which is which is a leap, admittedly but just

785
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,039
like as a starting, point we generally have about one

786
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:46,119
hundred and twenty million rods in our, eyes and we

787
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,719
have six to seven million cones in our eyes as,

788
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,559
Well and it makes me, wonder are there different types of,

789
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:01,679
photoreceptors or different ratios or maybe different spreading out of

790
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,719
the photoreceptors in the back of the eyes that make

791
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,360
them likely to see the? Infrared if that makes. Sense

792
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,199
SO i guess What i'm posing, is is there really

793
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,199
an anatomical thing that if we were to get our

794
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,920
hands on a bigfoot, retina you, know or, whatever could

795
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,159
we predict that they would have different types of cones

796
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,880
or rods that were compared or that we would see in,

797
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,800
HUMANS i guess What i'm. Saying and on top of,

798
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,159
that IF i were to take a, Leap now this

799
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,840
is a. Theory. MAN i almost sound silly bringing this,

800
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,800
out But i've just thought about, it And i'm just

801
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,920
posing the. Question, right if humans can only see up

802
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,880
to say seven hundred or seven, fifty if you go

803
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,199
a little bit above that in the red spectrum that's

804
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,239
where the infrared comes. In what if they have more

805
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,199
red cones than green or blue and they're just slightly

806
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,679
more sensitive to that spectrum of. Color if they have

807
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:04,000
more and they're more, sensitive and at the expense of

808
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,440
downgrading the green and blue and the, rods they might

809
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:13,559
be color, deficient, right because you need three cones in

810
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,119
order to see detect color how we see it as, humans,

811
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Right and that's definitely been shown in, humans, right as

812
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,079
far as color deficiency more common in men than women

813
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,039
and things like. That and so the REASON i wonder

814
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:29,679
if that's important is and this is where AGAIN i

815
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,480
almost seem stupid saying.

816
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,119
Speaker 1: This i'm just posing, it.

817
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: Right you don't sound. Stupid if you sound, stupid THEN

818
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440
i sound stupid because this is something THAT i have

819
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,159
rattled around in my head for. Decades, OH i got

820
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,320
good at one point in. TIME i went down the

821
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,480
eyesight rabbit hole and learned all of this information that

822
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,320
you're talking about right, now AND i think we ended

823
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,079
up at the same, place which means a lot to

824
00:44:59,119 --> 00:44:59,760
me since you're an.

825
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: Id, well that's pretty cool man that. YOU i, mean

826
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,320
you beat me to, it. Obviously but so here's the

827
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,039
next step beyond. That if if they are color, deficient

828
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:12,079
AND i don't know how we could do, this but

829
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,400
if certain cameras you could play with the wavelength of,

830
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:23,079
light could we find one that they can't see and

831
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,320
get better luck at detecting? Them does that make sense

832
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,719
using like a variation instead of the one standard infrared

833
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,119
for the trigger that they clearly at least from WHAT i,

834
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,480
Gather and you tell me If i'm. Wrong they seem

835
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,559
to see, that or that's the theory that they see.

836
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,280
It So i'm always, wondered if we change that wavelength

837
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,840
a little, bit is it possible that we could hide

838
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,719
in plain sight AND i have them not see. It so,

839
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,440
anyway that's my. Theory SO i went from background to

840
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,880
maybe color, blind and then the next step would, be

841
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,920
could we design a camera to test that theory and

842
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,440
see where it?

843
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Goes so, anyway man just nerd?

844
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: Out There, no, NO i like nerding. Out so let

845
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,800
me see if we ended up at the same, place

846
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,679
WHICH i think we. Did so WHENEVER i was looking

847
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,960
at all, this see this is the, PROBLEM i get.

848
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,760
Sidetracked SO i reached. OUT i looked up the person

849
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,039
that seemed to be the leading authority on mammalian, eyesight

850
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:32,079
specifically primate eyesight in The United. States he was a

851
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,679
professor at a. UNIVERSITY i don't remember specifically his name

852
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,559
or the. University it's been a really long. TIME i

853
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:46,360
emailed the guy through the UNIVERSITY i, did AND i

854
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,639
just took a leap of faith AND i, Said, hey

855
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,239
this is WHO i. Am you, know humor. Me if

856
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,920
these things, exist and if they are a, primate would

857
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,840
they be able to see in the infrared? Spectrum and

858
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:09,679
his response was an explanation of how there's no primates

859
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,800
that we're aware of that can do. That there's you,

860
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,000
know certain animals with specialized sensory organs like, snakes you,

861
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:21,639
know pit vipers and things like that that can sense

862
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:26,960
infrared or. Whatever but he went further to explain that

863
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,840
The sun produces a tremendous amount of infrared and that

864
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,199
if something had the ability to see, infrared it would

865
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,280
pretty much be blinded during daylight hours because of all

866
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,159
the infrared that's produced by The. Sun it would be

867
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,000
way brighter to it than it is to. Us so

868
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:50,480
that would be my question to you first is if

869
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:55,960
something did have the ability to see in, infrared would

870
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,039
that be the? Case would it just be blinded all

871
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,159
the time by all the infrared that's around that we

872
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,199
can't normally. See, man that's a great. Question i've not

873
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,679
thought it through that. Far IF i had to, guess

874
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,119
and this is.

875
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: Me, layman, LIKE i may change my mind IF i

876
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,880
do some digging and maybe talk more about. It, Right

877
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:20,239
but IF i had to guess there is a ton

878
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,400
of visible light coming from The sun that we do,

879
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,000
see why would that be different than?

880
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: INFRARED i don't.

881
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Understand the infrared is more heat and it's, wavelength, Right

882
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,079
it's just, wavelength and so we're in the Same we're

883
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:38,320
not even like that crazy high beyond some of the

884
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,679
visible light as far as the wavelengths and all. That

885
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,199
So i'm, like, well wouldn't they be blind with any

886
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,960
of the other light coming off the, Sun like there

887
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,079
is an incredible, amount don't get me, wrong but there's

888
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,800
ALSO uv A uv B ubc visible, spectrum and then

889
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,000
some of the. Infrared LIKE i don't, KNOW i GUESS

890
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,679
i would For i've never looked in an infrared camera

891
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,639
just as a rough jumping off point in the, Daylight,

892
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,719
like is everything just like washed?

893
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,599
Speaker 1: OUT i would, assume Like i've never spent much.

894
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: Time, yeah so maybe that's what he's.

895
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: Inferencing, yeah like back in the day using like night,

896
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,559
vision if you turn it on in like daylight or light,

897
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,280
situations it just it ruins. It it actually broke the,

898
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,159
device so it flooded The, yeah it flooded the receptors or.

899
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:34,639
Whatever BUT i mean, again we're talking about, Wavelength so

900
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,239
the infrared coming off the sun could be a much

901
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,400
greater wavelength or you know What i'm saying completely AND

902
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,079
i follow higher wavelength than what they would be able to.

903
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: See. Yeah maybe now when you when your when your camera,

904
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,679
broke were you looking at the sun with it or

905
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,440
were you just looking at the environment and it.

906
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: Broke, no it was just an in general thing like

907
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,840
you you couldn't have them like, you like you never

908
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,519
wanted to turn your night vision on in like a

909
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:10,800
room that had the light, on because it would just

910
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,320
break it it was too much light coming.

911
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,159
Speaker 2: In Because i'm not an expert, there SO i don't

912
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,239
want to leave anyone, astray but it's just it's a.

913
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,519
Speaker 3: Guess, well and you're way more educated on the subject

914
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:28,239
THAN i. Am but my so to go on what

915
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,360
you were talking about and my own, research the CONCLUSION

916
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,880
i reached was that there was a possibility that they

917
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,400
would have a higher number of rods than what we would.

918
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:45,639
Have and if the cones were a different, ratio like you're,

919
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,480
saying where they could see in the, infrared and that

920
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,800
most likely meant that they would be more color deficient

921
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,079
in the blue spectrum.

922
00:50:55,559 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Potentially, yeah the if you so of the cones the, red,

923
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,280
green and, blue let's say, it the red and green will.

924
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,119
Dominate and yes there's blue in, there there's just not as,

925
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,559
many if that makes. Sense and so when you combine

926
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,119
the red and, green you get as far as maximal,

927
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:21,760
sensitivity you get tennis ball. Yellow that's why tennis balls are.

928
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Yellow that's where our eyes have their highest, coloring, right

929
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,920
there they overlap right at that tennis ball yellow and

930
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,920
then so, yeah potentially it just it depends on how

931
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,480
the ratio would. Go if it leans more towards red

932
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,960
and there's less green or blue than those spectral curves

933
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,920
can shift a little.

934
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,039
Speaker 1: Bit and, yeah they.

935
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: Might have a harder time with blue as an. Example

936
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,119
so then i'd, go, well can you develop a camera

937
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,159
with like blue or start with?

938
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: Green you?

939
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,639
Speaker 2: Know in? Humans again we don't, know but in humans

940
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:59,719
the most common color defficiency is either red or, Green

941
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,400
and so, yeah LOGICALLY i might play around with the

942
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,360
red or green spectrum BEFORE i did the, blue just

943
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,199
to kind of see if we could find like a

944
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:13,719
wavelength that might be less detectable or something like. That

945
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,440
and it's funny you brought up the, rods because the

946
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:21,719
rods can't detect. Color so if there were less less

947
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,280
cones and way more, rods they'd be very sensitive for

948
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,599
like walking around at night and things like. That but

949
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,920
absolutely THEN i would think their color vision would decrease

950
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,519
significantly if a lot of that was shifted one way

951
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,960
or the. Other, now, again these are my. THEORIES i

952
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,679
don't want to claim to be an. Expert it's just

953
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,000
little Things i've thought about AND i just wanted to

954
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,159
bounce them off of you and see what your thoughts.

955
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,800
Were and sounds like we're kind of thinking similar. Things

956
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,280
that's really cool that you reached out to like a

957
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,239
vision expert like. That i'm not familiar with that ONE i.

958
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,639
Do this person does not know, me BUT i know of.

959
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,639
Them there's One university Of houston that does some comparative.

960
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:11,679
ANATOMY i understand it with retinas of you, know apes

961
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,840
and things like. That and so IF i could and

962
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,679
maybe that would be something that'd be awesome if you

963
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,159
could interview her or something like, that, yeah and agree to.

964
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,960
It so AGAIN i don't know, her but but, anyway

965
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,440
that would be kind of. Cool that was one anyway

966
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,519
those on my other questions was, like have you ever

967
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,920
interviewed someone that like an ocular comparative anatomy? Professor you

968
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,320
know that sort of, Thing and clearly you have based

969
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,079
upon what you've.

970
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,119
Speaker 3: Said SO i emailed one.

971
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 2: Once that's.

972
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 3: OKAY i would love to find one that's interested in

973
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,599
the subject and is open minded to it to talk

974
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,119
to about all this. Stuff another thing that fascinates me

975
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,039
THAT i have a hard time understanding from a logical

976
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:04,400
standpoint is the report worts of eye, glow where witnesses

977
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,119
are reporting eyes producing their own, light that it's definitely

978
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,800
not a reflection from a tape tom, lucidum that it's

979
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:18,119
actually producing a glowing usually a red. Color and for,

980
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,119
ME i just how would, that even even if the

981
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:27,440
science was, there even if the chemistry was there where

982
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:33,880
there's some sort of you, know bioluminescence thing, happening why

983
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,920
would it be in the. Eyes that seems counterproductive to.

984
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,519
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i, mean if you're having your own light produced,

985
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,000
inside so the goal of the eyes is to catch

986
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:47,239
light from the, environment not really send it back out,

987
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,480
Right AND i mean it's been a long time Since

988
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,280
i've looked at that particular part of, it BUT i

989
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,360
feel like that would make your vision. Worse like that

990
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,039
would be the worst thing you could do for, vision

991
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,599
because if you're projecting light, out then the light it's

992
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,559
going to bleach the light getting in that you would

993
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:03,000
use to.

994
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:04,679
Speaker 1: See so, so.

995
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: And IF i understand it, right the tap of them

996
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:12,440
lucidam is not found in, apes not found in. Mammals not, Mammals,

997
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,159
Sorry i'm, sorry not. MAMMALS i meant apes, sorry.

998
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: One PRIMATE i think that has it that's nocturnal entirely

999
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,800
and it's you, know, Nothing it's not like an, ape

1000
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,840
it's a something entirely, different.

1001
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,639
Speaker 2: Gotcha SO i, mean SO i don't know the tap

1002
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,519
of the lucidam. Thing MAYBE i, mean if it's found

1003
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,159
in other nocturnal, animals and then maybe that would be

1004
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:37,800
something to think.

1005
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: About, AGAIN i would just be.

1006
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,199
Speaker 2: Guessing BUT i do know that if you're part here's

1007
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:47,440
WHAT i THINK i shouldn't.

1008
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: Say, no here's my theory on.

1009
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: This if their eyes are as big as what people

1010
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,840
witnesses report that have seen, THEM i mean they describe ginormous,

1011
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,480
eyes like huge, Ones so then their pupils would be

1012
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,400
way bigger than what we would have right in.

1013
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: The same type of.

1014
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: Illumination and if they're seeing them at, night obviously the

1015
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,440
pupils are going to be ginormous compared to. Normal and

1016
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,440
the back of the eye there is a layer called the,

1017
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,639
choroid which is like a big bloody, sponge and its

1018
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,519
job is to bring nutrients to the, eye flush it,

1019
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,239
out keep the temperature down so we don't burnt holes

1020
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,360
in our. Eyes and the choroid has depending on how

1021
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,599
you measure it either is one or two in the

1022
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:39,199
highest blood flow in the entire body per unit, Volume

1023
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,159
so it's depending on how you. Measure it goes back

1024
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:43,960
and forth between the coid and the, kidneys if, that you.

1025
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,239
Know and So i'm going there's a high amount of blood.

1026
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,920
Flow is the reddish color just from the pupils being

1027
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:57,960
huge in the in the dark and it's reflecting the

1028
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:02,719
ambient light even though it's super. Dark it doesn't mean

1029
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,639
that there's not just a little bit. There, SPECIFICALLY i

1030
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:08,960
don't infrared absorbs infrared and then you get kind of

1031
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,800
a reddish glow coming back. Out could that be? It

1032
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,159
you know WHAT i?

1033
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: Mean or like the red eyes on cameras and things like.

1034
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,639
Speaker 3: That, YEAH i mean that was another thing THAT i

1035
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,679
thought about was if there is some sort of reflective

1036
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,519
membrane that they have to help them in their night.

1037
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:34,239
Vision is it potentially possible that with the larger eyes

1038
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,480
and the larger, pupils like you're, saying taking in more,

1039
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:45,159
light that it maybe bounces around to magnify the amount of,

1040
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:48,360
light so it spends more time in the eye processing the,

1041
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,239
light and because of, this it changes the wavelength and

1042
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,039
produces a red.

1043
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Light, yeah we have cameras that we shine into people's

1044
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,039
eyes and we selectively let wavelengths come out to give

1045
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:03,559
us different information about the.

1046
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,239
Speaker 1: Back so, like for, example we could.

1047
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: Shine in, uh you, KNOW i would WHAT i guess

1048
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,599
like a like a like a bluish light into the

1049
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,199
back of the eyes and then we can get like

1050
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:17,599
a greenish color. Out so it's not out of the

1051
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:21,639
realm of possibility that you shine one wavelength in and

1052
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,159
it gets absorbed or changed comes out.

1053
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: Slightly, different if that makes.

1054
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,599
Speaker 2: Sense we do that for florescian angiographies and like just

1055
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,400
it's a oh electronic like excitation and uh fluorescence and

1056
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,760
things like. That so there's different ways to do. That,

1057
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:40,840
man IF i have any of my colleagues out there

1058
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,760
that they might just like. Rip these are all theories

1059
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,400
And i'm just having, fun like nerd and, Out so

1060
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,199
please don't take WHAT i say as. Gospel they're just

1061
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,719
ideas based upon what i've you, know What i've learned

1062
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,119
and WHAT i do and just a jumping off point

1063
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:57,079
AND i am open to any criticism or anything like.

1064
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,480
That it's just fun to think, about, Right and sometimes

1065
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:03,559
this converse stimulate other ideas and like, huh or maybe

1066
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:05,400
someone comes out and corrects, me or maybe they're, like,

1067
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,519
no maybe that is. True and then you, know we

1068
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:10,320
just having the dialogue to be, like, hey what if

1069
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,400
or what? About this opens up so many. DOORS i

1070
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,559
don't know if you agree with, that but it's been helpful.

1071
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,079
Speaker 3: For, me, absolutely AND i appreciate. IT i appreciate you

1072
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:21,320
taking the time to throw this stuff out there and

1073
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,199
talk about. IT i, MEAN i enjoy. IT i know

1074
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,000
the listeners enjoy hearing that sort of, thing at least

1075
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:30,320
some of. Them and you, know you got me thinking

1076
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,079
about THINGS i haven't thought about in a long. Time, awesome, man.

1077
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,679
Speaker 2: Awesome, WELL i can't thank you enough for just letting,

1078
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:40,159
me you, know babble on and share my. Experience. MATT

1079
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,760
i really appreciate. IT i really really. Do thank you

1080
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,239
for taking the time to just hang out for a little.

1081
00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: While, oh no. PROBLEM i appreciate you coming on and

1082
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:51,559
taking the leap of, faith and hopefully it will open

1083
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:52,000
some new.

1084
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:53,159
Speaker 1: Doors that'd be pretty.

1085
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:54,159
Speaker 2: Awesome that'd be pretty.

1086
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:57,519
Speaker 3: Awesome if you've had your own encounter with bigfoot or

1087
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,320
blinking fog or something else you can't, explain you'd like

1088
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,519
to share your story on The Bigfoot crossroads, podcast email

1089
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,760
me At Bigfoot crossroads at gmail dot. Com check out

1090
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,079
the Website bigfootcrossroads dot. Com you can find links to social,

1091
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,960
media past, episodes, merchandise everything you need all in one.

1092
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,679
Place and until next, time, remember just LIKE i, said

1093
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,000
there's something in the. Woods