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Speaker 1: What is a Fellowsiko's I am dan Fa Valley coming

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at you with another episode. We are not with my

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Steak Jensen of the NBA Podcast. He also covers the

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league for Yahoo Sports and Forbes, as well as doing

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some work Sports Illustrated. It does a whole lot, does

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it super well. He wanted to have me on his podcast,

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The NBA Podcast, will talk about the Knicks. He has

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Don't want to deprive you, but I think the visual

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Speaker 1: Enjoy that if you're into those things. But let's not

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delay this any further. Subscribe the whole nine to us

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of Knicks with more from the NBA podcast.

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Speaker 2: We have to start with with your local team though,

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I mean, you're not a one team guy, but if

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there is a team, you follow a little bit more

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than others.

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Speaker 1: I get accused of being a thunder Homer in our

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YouTube comments. I love it. I'm not complaining.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's that looked. I mean, Brian, he basically left

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the Sixers for the Thunder during the last year that

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can check on our podcast thunder Buddies. Uh

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right shortly, Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: Seth McFarlane directed it. Yeah, but yes, the Knicks, the Knicks.

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We have to talk about the Knicks. Look, there are

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some I want to say, popular overarching themes that would

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just have to get into even though we're I don't

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know where I'm leaning on it quite yet, but we

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just so. The Michail Bridges jump shot, we just have

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to get into it. It's it's such an art outsie

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for him, so obviously he changed his mechanics or insert

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recent here that makes sense to him, and the three

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point shot has been very unreliable. But he is absolutely

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king of the mid range. Like it seems like he

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never misses it. Two, I'm not on.

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Speaker 1: To the outside the paint right now? Nice, I agree, Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Nice, that is that is a phenomenal percentage. So

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I just I have no idea what to take away

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from this chain shot if anything, like does this matter?

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Is this anything? Is what the hell dan make us smarter?

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Speaker 1: I am wondering. A part of me just wonders if

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it's like, is the way he's shooting better equipped to

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make shots from shorter distances because he's been fine from

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the corners. It's really when you look at the percentages more,

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He's at eighteen percent on above the break threes right

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and it's just like, I mean, he's not taking a

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ton of corner I mean forty three corner threes. I

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get this point in the season actually has a lot

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of corner threes. Forty nine percent from the corners right now.

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So it's the above the break and so I think

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you start to dig into it and you look at

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some of the looks and it's like, well, I mean

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they're like, oh, their quality looks, and I feel like

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they're just going to start to fall, which is honestly

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just what I default to at this point. So it

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would be something I'm concerned about, but when you get

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to him, I'm actually more concerned Now when we get

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to the playoffs, I think the concerns could technically change

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a little bit because I still and I'm sure we'll

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get into this. I've been more of a not an alarmist,

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but I don't know if the Knicks have enough secondary

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creation outside of Jalen Brunson when you're going up against

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playoff defenses. But I've been just personally, and I mean

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it's easy to say this when the Knicks are second

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third in point scored per one hundred possessions. Right now,

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I've been more concerned about Michal Bridges's defense than his

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offense at the moment, and so I kind of look

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at what's happened with Bridges starts the season kind of awful.

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But like you said, the mid range percentages are there.

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I'm talking about the corner threes they're going in he's shooting.

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He's up to thirty seven point five percent on wide

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open threes in general. I just think that number will

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probably tick up. In the overall number from above, the

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break will tick up. I'm not worried about his offense

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in the regular season. I'm more worried about is this

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the guy who the Knicks thought they traded for on

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the defensive end, And to this point the answer has

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been no. And you I think he saw that against

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their most recent NETS game, where it's oh, oh, Gananoby's

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guarding more at the point of attack and you wanted

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mkil Bridges to be that guy. So Ojiananobi can do

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everything else, and now Ojiannoby's just doing everything.

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a secondary defender because of the long arms that come

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in and contest shots off the weak side. But it's

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a good point. I honestly have not taken a lot

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of note of him, you know, struggling defensively. I still

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think he's in the top tier. Look, I'm also used

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to watching Josh Giddy, so like that's that that might

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be a pretty poor contrast, But like, I haven't noticed

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defense concerns. I have admittedly been a little worried about

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the load up on his shots, Like offensively is where

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Speaker 1: Less for sure, and during crunch time too, I think

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you can kind of see the impact where it's taking him.

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I'm not even just talking about the form on his

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jumper in the length of time there, but like the

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decision making feels like a touch or three slower, and

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the Knicks do not, I think as of right now,

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actually they're twenty eighth in offensive rating and crunch time. Again,

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we're talking about a small sample size, but they played

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a few games in there now and they've deviated from

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their process a little bit too much during those stretches.

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I think John Brunston is coming around, hasn't had the

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best start to the year, but he's clearly banged up.

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He's trying to figure out like he has a ton

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more spacing and he's just had huge moment. I mean,

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look just to go back to that their most recent

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win over the Nets, where it's all their starters score

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twenty points except for Jalen Brunson, like he's kind of

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reading the room and figuring out getting better and better.

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I guess each game of what version of him they need.

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But yeah, the mckel bridges stuff offensively. I do think

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it's impacted them, maybe almost the most kind of when

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you're looking at fourth quarter offense hasn't been great overall,

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and then their crunch time offense of course, and so like,

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it's not even just again the speed at which he's

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getting off jumpers and maybe the accuracy on those from

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above the break. It's everything about his offensive game in

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those moments has felt slower. And that's that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Is it almost feels like to me, and again you

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can correct me on this, but it feels like it's

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when he's in movement, when he's taking shots off the dribble,

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in movement, like when he's running towards a jump shot

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or just running towards the ball, gets it and like

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goes into a jumper right off the catch instead of

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like settling and loading up. It looks much cleaner, almost

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like he occasionally shoots it like you did last year,

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just by sheer, like, oh yeah, I need to get

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up with shots withino point two seconds here. I don't

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know if he had something to do with that, but

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it's something that I want to track as the season

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goes on, because at this point I do think you

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need another shot maker, someone who can just go in

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and bend defense a little bit more. The Knicks right

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now are not winning in the pace game. For example,

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they're the worst of the league in pace. They're thirtieth

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needs and I I was honestly envisioning this team coming

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out and running a lot because of Bridges, Like we

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have talked, Yeah, but we talked about breaches and k

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kd as some of the best pluck and play players

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in the NBA, right, So I was kind of thinking

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with them in hand with Karl Anthony Towns as a trailer,

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you know, with Jalen in there and O Jenninobio also

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being a floor stretcher, I thought the Knicks would run

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a lot more than what they have and when they

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kind of load up on the half court sets and

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Bridges is struggling a little bit. I'm left uninspired. But

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what they have been able to achieve offensively so far

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this season.

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Speaker 1: That it's weird that we're harping so much on the

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offense and people are doing it because they have a

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top five offense and it doesn't feel necessarily could convincing.

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I think it's gotten a little bit more convincing since that,

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you know, kind of the first leg, let's say, the

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first half of the whatever, in fifteen percent of the

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way through the season, so the first seven point five

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of the season as they probably there probably is room

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for them to run a little bit more. I think,

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especially like they will get out and run after they're

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forcing a turnover. But they're not a team right now.

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I haven't checked in a minute, but yeah, so they're not.

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They're still bad there, but they have room to run.

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definitely instead of saying, Okay, hey, like we need to

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find Jalen Brunson or get him the ball or slow

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things down, you could get out and run more there.

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I don't I probably would push back and say, I

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think with Jalen Brunson and Carla Towns both on the court,

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you're not built to do that. The idea was probably

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to do it more with maybe some of those bench units.

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room for them to run more and create some chaos.

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interesting point and maybe it might matter a little bit

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more in the playoffs, is if you don't have that

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guy who can break down defenses, even with McHale shooting, like, yeah,

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he's got like sixty eight point eight percent on pull

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of the other stuff from mid range, that's not like

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advantage creation necessarily. And so if you lack like who

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is the second best advantage creator on the Knicks right now?

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this is someone who is attacking close out you want

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to dump into him in the post, but like you

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capitalize off a mismatch or capitalize in open space, I

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would say he's underqualified to be that guy. I think

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and I think they're still trying to figure out how

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to use him. But when you look at mcal bridges

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or just to set up with the Knicks in general,

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way to create chaos and make make it easier for

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your offense would be like, well, let's go up against

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these defenses that don't have a chance to get set.

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these like brunts in like without bruntson units because that's

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their best way of like creating offense, and I think

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there's still room for them to do that this year

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now as they get healthier, does that make it a

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little bit easier, I honestly don't know, Like, are Mitchell

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integral like getting them running in some of their secondary units.

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I'd argue probably not. Like the bigger issue might be, okay,

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are these are these guys equipped to run when they're

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just playing so many minutes? I know Knicks fans want

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to there's always an excuse for why Thibodeau plays these

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guys a lot. And the Knicks are shatout some of

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these games. They've been pretty banged up. They are missing

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two guys in Achua and Mitchell Robinson, who I would

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say do factor into I guess like we'll say top eight,

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top seven of their rotation. So yes, that matters. But

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like when you have to play guys forty or more

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minutes to win against the nets, like I don't care

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that you're missing pressures at you and Mitchell Robinson in

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that one, that's going to be an issue. So I

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why they're not running as much, because even with Jalen

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that number to come up. I'm just wondering, functionally, is

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What do you want them to do? Or is it

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because if you don't have that decided offensive hierarchy without

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Jalen Brunson, which you don't, like, you can gravitate towards

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towns or bridges, and like they've wanted to glue towns

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to og Anobi's, so maybe that's impacting things. There's definitely

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room for them to be more creative on offense. But

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I think that creativity that you're looking for specifically, I

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don't see it happening in their core unit, where like

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you have Jalen Brunson. I just don't. I don't see

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that as something that's realistic.

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Speaker 2: No, And you hit the nail on the head with

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the lack of forcing turnovers, because if you're not forcing those,

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you're going to be limited in coming out and running

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and getting those easy points. I do think Mitch Robinson

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though I think he'll help to some extent so we

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know that he's an elite shop locker, or at least

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that he is able to challenge shots near the rim.

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out who we're playing high level rotation minutes. Towns is

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not a shot blocker necessarily neither Og. So I wonder

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if you have those trips more or less where the

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ball is being swatted away, it's recovered, you run down

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the floor and then where Towns kind of stops at

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the three point line because he's looking for you know,

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the three off a trailing play and that's the smart play.

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straight to the damn rim, drawing in a defender, and

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I think that opens up some driving lanes which we're

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not really seeing right now. Well we're seeing it when

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Towns also dives. I just don't think he dives that much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that could certainly be something that would help,

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but I don't know, Like, do you have to get

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to a point where your personnel is a little bit

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different to unlock that, And like this you're saying, maybe

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Mitchell Robinson can do but now you're talking about stre're

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playing Mitchell Robinson in Contee Towns together, because those paths

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of the baskets that maybe you're talking about are not

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like they're not going to be available with Mitchell Robinson

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is on the court.

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Speaker 2: No, it does feel like there's that this is a

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puzzle that's yet to be like fully solved. What what

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do you think is missing like for this team to

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get up on the Boston level? What is the theme?

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Speaker 1: So I think it's it's one of two things that

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stand out to me is I think we could focus on, Like, Okay,

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it would be nice to date a secondary creator, but

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like Campaign's been fine in his role this year. You

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have Jame Brunton, you have Mchael Bridges, you have karl

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anthy Town's Oh, Jennobi's look pretty confident attacking close outs.

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Josh Hart can be reticent to shoot from three, but

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he will attack. I think what they really need and

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I think one of these is a big problem. You

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knew what you were kind of getting into with Towns,

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and they're still doing like the Tibotau stuff, like the

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when you look at the shot profile they're allowing like

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teams aren't shooting a ton at them, but shooting a

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ton at the rim. Like relative the frequency they're shots,

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thirty one percent of opponent shots are coming at the

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room against the Knicks. That's a certainly more than doable number.

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They're even limiting like those short mid range opportunities. And

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I think even you kind of look at Okay, well

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they're only opponent shooting sixty five percent at the rim.

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That's twelfth this year. The Knicks are getting burned from

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float range, but that could come down. They're really getting

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burned from three a lot. And I don't look at

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it and say if I tell you that opponents are

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shooting thirty eight percent from three against the Knicks, that's

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not a number that you look at and say, well,

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that's unsustainably high, regardless of how poorly it ranks. So

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to me, what stands out is, yeah, they could use

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a different center. Look, maybe someone who could play next

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towns are a different type of rim protector. Maybe someone

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who's gonna give you more of those block shots, which will,

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by extension, create transition opportunities. But I look at it saying, well,

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like you knew what you were doing when you were

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getting towns, and you knew what you were conceding in

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the trickle down effect that was going to have on

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everybody else. The bigger issue to me has been the

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point of attack defense, and so yes, the solve could

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be og Ananobi, but then I think that that's going

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to really make you. I know you mentioned Michael Bridges's length.

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He's not going to be the same level of the

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turrent or someone who could rumble with some of the

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bigger players agree as OG. And so you're gonna move

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Og to defending the point of attack. Yeah, he can

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do it, but one, he's already playing a ton of minutes.

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You want him doing even more. And then two, now

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you're sacrificing even more on the low line. Josh Hart,

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you could try it more, but that's not That's not

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Josh Hart either, and Jalen Brunton, he will be picked

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on if McHale Bridges is not that guy. And when

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and a lot of it I assigned to him going

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to Brooklyn assuming a much larger offensive role, being much

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more central there. That Okay, I was expecting a tick

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down in defense, but like that, dude is eminently screenable

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right now, and they need someone who's going to be

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more aggressive, more firm in those situations, and so like

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you can throw out different names for that, but it

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feels like what they would need is this is a

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name I've mentioned. I don't know if they have enough

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to get him. He's played really well in Portland, Tamani Kamara.

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When you're looking at someone who is like that player

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is like, well, he can actually solve someone your If

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you want Og at the point of attack, then you

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slide to my into like what you want Og doing

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behind towns or like from the weak side, anything along

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those lines. We're defending bigger players. But to Moni Kamara, honestly,

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I call him a four position defender. He might be

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close to five at this point. So they need someone

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like that, maybe not as good as Tomani Kamara. Maybe

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it's just specifically someone who could come in and defend

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the point of attack, who is bigger than Douce McBride,

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or who is someone that well, if we have to

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bounce let's say some minutes from Josh Hart or it's

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do you even you might want to frame it. Do

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we need someone to supplant some of OG's minutes to

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where Okay, maybe the point of attack defense isn't perfect,

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or we have someone who gives you the option of

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moving him around like Og so o G is playing

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fewer minutes, but then you also have minutes where you're

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playing them together. Timani Kamara fits that to a t,

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which is why I've sort of harped on him now.

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I think some people might argue that pressures a Chua

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can fill that role. I would when it comes to

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point of attack that I've just I've seen it, the

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answer is nothing yet attack that cho is not gonna

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do that now. Could you move Og to point of

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attack when Presu was on the court, Yes, but now

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you're making more concessions that you're making offensive concessions as well.

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So I look at the Knicks as they need that

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player if you put obviously, if you put Tomani Kamara

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on this team. That's so stupid of me to say

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there are other names that you could latch onto.

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Speaker 2: No, but that's that's a really good name though.

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Speaker 1: Well the other name I've thought about, I just don't

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know if they have the they can figure out the salary.

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I know the Knicks are like it would take they

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could just do a two for one. It'd be Mitchell

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Robinson plus a smaller salary plus. Okay, what is the

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pick equity? Is that Washington pick worth it? You include

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a swat, But like Isaiah Stewart would make a shit

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ton of sense on this team because you can play

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him next to Towns. Then you can have og in

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Andobe at the point of attack without sacrificing any of

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the other response I would say not any of the other,

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but many of the other responsibilities. Play Stewart at the five,

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play him next to the Towns doesn't matter. So those

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are the two names that I've kind of latched onto

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because I think what's problematic is you kind of need

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this very specific type of player now where it's all

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like look at New Orleans. I don't think it's this dramatic,

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but like the exact type of big man you want

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alongside Ian Williamson. I do criticize the Pelicans for have

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never gotten that gotten that guy, like they are like

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seven of them, and that might be generous that you could.

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That's why everyone was always brook Lopez, Miles Turner, brook Lopez,

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Miles Turner, brook Lopez, Oh, Chris brook Lopez Miles Turner,

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there are so few and for the Knicks because it's

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not just about the point of attack, it's well, we

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need someone who's not gonna at least concede too much

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of this five out spacing that we've set up or

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four and a half out spacing, depending on how you

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feel about Josh Hart. And so it's when we need

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someone who could plug in and say, well, he's gonna

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take some of Josh Hart's minutes, like that's not compromising

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our spacing even worse, or is if we're giving him

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some of OG's minutes, which is we don't want Og

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playing forty plus minutes to night or whatever that he's

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going Like Tomai Kamaras shot the ball well from three

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basically since going to Portland. He can attack some closeouts too,

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He's shown. That's also why I've latched on. That's what

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makes it difficult for the Knicks because you don't want to,

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I don't want to use the submarine, I think compromise

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the right world. You don't want this offense coming down

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a tick because if you're gonna hover around the bottom

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ten in defense, and by the way they have played,

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I think this season only two top ten offenses. I

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know the Nets are close to a top ten offense,

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but Boston and Cleveland I believe are the only top

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ten offenses they've played while we record this, So like

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the defense could actually be worse than we think it

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is at this point there, if you filter out the

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Celtics game, I think they're fifteenth in points a lot

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per possession, but one filtering out the Celtics game is

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kind of bold when you want to measure yourself against

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the Celtics, right and two now we're talking about only

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one top ten offense pritt cled in there. So that's

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my long winded way of saying, like we could probably

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turn this into an overarching discussion or the framing of

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this is are the Knicks a serious title contender? I

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think they are better team than we've shown. They've been

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so up and down, which I think we've seen it

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with Minnesota. You make a seismic trade that close to

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the start of the season, where you don't have a

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lot of time for players to digest it, and you

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barely have time to like go through training camp in

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a preseason with it. It will matter, But the answer

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is still n even when you can't in improvement because

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they're still missing. They still feel one player away. And

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I would argue, because Mitchell Robinson is not Isaiah Stewart,

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because Precious Chua is not a Tamani Kamara, they are

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one player away who is not on the team.

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Speaker 2: Part of the recent thing I kind of wanted to

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them to lean into the offense was partly because I

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thought it's sort of half punded on the defense. Anyway.

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This isn't this isn't town slandery in any way. I mean,

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like you said earlier, he's.

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Speaker 1: Been inconsistent at points, but one that is for anyone

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a nick Son who might be listening to this who

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didn't watch Karl Anthony Towns religiously, that is the Karl

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Anthony Towns experience. I would argue. He's been so but

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not so much. He's been what they traded for, especially

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relative to what they gave up. Like if you didn't

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make that trade, do you think the Knicks are any

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better on defense right now? Dante DiVincenzo is gonna put

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up fight, But like you're not with Mitchell Robinson out,

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are you really any better on defense at the moment?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: No, And so the issue is and we need to

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maybe we don't need to stop doing this because they

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gave up a lot to get him, Like even if

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you say, let's not measure him against how much the

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Knicks gave up for him in Bridges like that has

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been like you went all in on this player who

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I don't think solves if you want to create an

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offensive concern. He doesn't solve your biggest offensive concern for

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them right now. And he's not elevating the defense the

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way that you know the wing stop nickname you gave

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the Bridges and Og like it's it's better suited for

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Josh Hart or like McBride and og at this point.

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So that's and I still think Bridges has been overall

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like he's been fine. But when you give up that much,

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or when you when you empty your asset clip is

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the way I framed it is that you better have

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figured out a way to make life easier on your

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most important player. The Knicks have done that with their spacing.

474
00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:49,119
But are they any less dependent on Jalen Brunson. The

475
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,680
answer is no, There's the answer is no. Yes, they've

476
00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:53,519
they're offensive raiding with him off the court like his

477
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,200
on off stuff is weird right now. But yeah, you

478
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,039
figure out a way to run your offense without him,

479
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,200
but like not in a way that I personally think

480
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,559
is that's necessarily going to hold up in the playoffs,

481
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,119
and so that slims out your margin for error. In

482
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,400
the context of if I told you they're going to

483
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,039
be the second best offense in the NBA and nineteenth

484
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,440
in defense, just thrown out numbers here, you're probably like,

485
00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,440
that's fringe title content, Like you're good enough on offense

486
00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,240
and not terrible enough on defense to like that works.

487
00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:23,599
But the way that they've gotten there on offense thus

488
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,359
thus far, it makes you think, well, then you better

489
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,000
be like fifteenth, fourteen, thirteen, twelfth on defense at this point,

490
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,160
I don't know if they have the personnel to do that.

491
00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:36,279
Maybe Mitchell Robinson comes back in the towns Mitchell Robinson,

492
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,160
you know, maybe Robinson just as the best backup center

493
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,200
in the NBA a big deal, or maybe the Robinson

494
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,440
Towns minutes are still super great offensively because one of

495
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,319
the Knicks's most efficient shots the past couple of years

496
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000
was Mitchell Robinson gets an offensive rebound and finds a

497
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,279
three point shooter, and like, now, you just have towns,

498
00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,799
So maybe that there's that dynamic, But I find myself

499
00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:59,200
more concerned with the defense, and McHale Bridges is actually

500
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,960
a part of that as well as the offense. And

501
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,519
I don't I don't mean to dump on him, but

502
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:05,680
when you invest that much in one player, and I

503
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,119
would argue, I don't think he's been I think you

504
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,799
always kind of knew. Maybe you definitely didn't think he'd

505
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,920
shoot eighteen percent on above the breakthrees through the first

506
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,400
whatever game sure.

507
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,279
Speaker 2: Or not gets to the free throw line, which is

508
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:18,720
another lost aspect, which I.

509
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:20,799
Speaker 1: Think is the other thing is like I look at

510
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,920
him and like, we know that the Knicks aren't gonna

511
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,240
do a ton of off ball stuff anyway, That's something

512
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,160
I could have predicted. It's really the defense of the

513
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,079
It's the three point shooting slide off shore, but the

514
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,519
defensive slide off Like that's the thing you look at

515
00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,079
and say, oh, okay, Like this is a bigger deal

516
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,160
because if he's not going to be our number two

517
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,000
on offense and then he's also not good, has he

518
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,759
been their second best defender this year?

519
00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean, I as I see it, Yes,

520
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,400
but I mean, you watch them more closer than I do,

521
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,039
so if I miss something, I would pute OG number

522
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:56,759
one for sure.

523
00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, OG's been their best player.

524
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would, I would. I would actually get

525
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,880
agree with you on that. He's he's been far by

526
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,640
far the more consistent. You feel his prisons far more.

527
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,119
I struggled to see who was like Josh Hart has

528
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:16,480
had moments defensively where I think that's been noteworthy. I

529
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:17,799
don't know if it's because.

530
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,319
Speaker 1: I'll come out and say their second best defender this

531
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,279
year has been duced Bride, like they're just for what

532
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,680
they need. It's it's been him.

533
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,799
Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. I didn't have him all up there

534
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:31,039
in part because of like the size, like he fights,

535
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,519
he fights over screens. He's a he's a pest. But

536
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,640
I do think there are situations where he's sort of

537
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,200
a mosquito who you can slab away.

538
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, he's not gonna be able to

539
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,319
stuff you mentioned with Bridges against bigger players around the basket.

540
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,160
He can't do that. Bridges is still more versatile. He's

541
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,440
the better player by far and a vacuum, but their

542
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,559
second best defender to me, has been Duce McBride, and

543
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,480
that's probably debatable. And if you say McHale Bridges has

544
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:59,680
been their second best defender, he has not been good

545
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:03,880
enough second best defender, particularly when your actual second best

546
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,279
defender in Mitchell Robinson is out. So that is their issue.

547
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,559
And I think you can look at it in one

548
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,680
of two ways where well, this is good because Bridges

549
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,559
should probably get better, But I really do look at

550
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:17,839
the defensive stuff and it makes me think, well, they

551
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880
might need a player that they don't have right now,

552
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,640
not sitting in an upgrade from Bridges, but they need to.

553
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,960
Like I don't even know how to frame it problem.

554
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,559
I think I've already said. It's just like you need

555
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,759
the guy who's either going to allow og Annobi to

556
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,359
do some of the stuff you thought mckal bridges was

557
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,920
gonna do for you, or you just need someone who's

558
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,160
bigger than Duce McBride to do more of the mckal

559
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,119
bridges stuff.

560
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: Or you just need Mikal Bridges Phoenix suns Era because

561
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:41,839
that's what.

562
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that that's just gone or like

563
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,880
he's not. His role is probably bigger and it's bigger

564
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,559
in New York than it was in the heyday of

565
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,400
those Suns, like when they weren't injured. So could you

566
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,160
just say he's gonna just but like if you think

567
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,799
his offensive workload is still contributing to what he's doing

568
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:00,759
on defense, like that offensive word, I ain't getting any

569
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,640
smaller just because Mitchel Robinson comes back, Like that's that's

570
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,400
not changing. So I do think the Knicks are a

571
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,400
better team than we I think they're more consistent team

572
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,759
than we've seen. Like, I do think they'll still finish

573
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,079
above five hundred, and I don't view them in the

574
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,720
same league as Cleveland or Boston. But could they be

575
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:19,319
the third just be the third best team, but like

576
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,599
actual third best team? Not Oh they were forty two

577
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,079
and forty and then the third best team in the East,

578
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,559
which might apparently happen this year. I think they are

579
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,279
better than that. But if you want to get to

580
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,319
that level that you gave up all these assets to get,

581
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,680
like you don't make there is no gap year, There

582
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,680
is no feeling out year when you give up as

583
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,240
much as the Knicks did, never mind towns, but to

584
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:42,559
get McHale Bridges. Yeah, you decided it's title contention for us.

585
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,799
Now they're not there. They're like, you can argue, well,

586
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:47,400
if they're the third best team in the East, their

587
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160
chance of getting like okay, sure, but that's that's not

588
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,400
why you give up what they did for mcale bridges

589
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,480
or do what they did over the offseason. You do

590
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:57,519
what they did to just be mentioned decidedly in the

591
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,839
same breath as Boston, like with Cleveland's being mentioned in now,

592
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,920
like what OKC is being mentioned in now. You don't

593
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,519
want to have people equivocate on your place in the

594
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,000
pecking order, and there's a lot of room to equivocate

595
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,359
on these Knicks right now.

596
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,839
Speaker 2: But you do agree though that the weapons that they're

597
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,559
disposal are of high quality. It comes down to how

598
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,440
they're utilized in some respects, which leads to me to

599
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,319
this last question before we have to move on. Is

600
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,160
this current iteration of the Nicks roster best suited to

601
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:28,839
Tips or someone else?

602
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,519
Speaker 1: Don't do this to me?

603
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: Come on, I have to ask.

604
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: I've been labeled as a Thibodeaux hater, and over the

605
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,799
past like season and a half, I think he's been

606
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,519
a lot more flexible than even he's probably been credited for.

607
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,759
On a national level. I know Nicks fans are they've

608
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,839
they credit him a pretty good deal the minute stuff

609
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,160
like that's a real thing. There's always an excuse, but

610
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,400
like the reason you have a like the reason fans

611
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,039
get like why wasn't Huck Porty playing more in that game? Again?

612
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,119
Like you just want someone to take Like that's not

613
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,799
even first of all, I'm more worried about the you

614
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,279
can't call, like, well, that's why Josh Hart is here

615
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,039
so that he can play all these minutes, Like well,

616
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,519
yes and no, like yes, mckel bridge is an iron man,

617
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,599
but every player has their breaking point. Yes, that stuff

618
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:13,920
you could quibble over whether it's a TIBs thing or

619
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:20,000
just the available personnel. Right now, I think they've gotten

620
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:21,880
here on offense to where they are. I don't know

621
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,279
which coach you're putting in here. Maybe if you, like,

622
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,039
if you put Kenny Atkinson on the Knicks, are you

623
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,799
gonna feel better about their offense in a playoff setting

624
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,480
relative to their personnel? Like, I know what he's done

625
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,880
in Cleveland has been fantastic, you might feel a little

626
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,920
better more, but like they have two other options aside

627
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,559
from Donovan Mitchell, just In Darius Garland and what we

628
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,039
know Evan Mobley could be like as self creators and

629
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,000
self starters or drivers of offense for others. I don't

630
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,480
know that you could look at anyone on the Knicks

631
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,839
and say, well, they have that second guy. It might

632
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,000
be Towns with some of the passing that we've seen

633
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,640
from him in Minnesota, but also in New York. It's

634
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,519
there might be a conversation to be had at Tibbs,

635
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,720
but it is also tough to fault him when look,

636
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,599
the offense is elite statistically right now, that has not

637
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640
been a eating crunch time. If that's what you're gonna

638
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,359
you know, and we'll be talking about maybe three extra wins, okay, fine?

639
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,200
Is Thibodeau the difference between like what's being failed in

640
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,279
crunch time and what.

641
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, there's there isn't one guy to

642
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,480
put the blame on here what's right and that I

643
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:22,960
agree with.

644
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: So it's just who are you installing that's gonna make

645
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,640
this personnel defend better? That's what it would come down

646
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,000
to to me.

647
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:32,559
Speaker 2: And I I mean, I think it's because it's the

648
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,119
overwhelming feeling of looking at this roster and feeling like

649
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640
you're not getting the most out of it like on

650
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,880
the surface, we're talking about Jalen Brunson, We're talking about

651
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,079
Karl Anthony town So, we're talking about Mikail Bridge, we're

652
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:50,599
talking about Ojen Nobi. That foursome is on paper, one

653
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,880
of the strongest in the NBA. That is a ridiculously

654
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,519
talented for some I understand what you're saying though, that

655
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:01,440
only one of them is a high, high level creator

656
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,519
and in today's league that's not enough. Now, we did see,

657
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160
you know, in the years past here riches take on

658
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,119
more of a role. We've seen towns take on more

659
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,000
of a role. So I think the overall assumption, at

660
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,799
least from non Knicks fans who've now watched everything, is

661
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:23,839
why can't you somehow try to create that secondary guy

662
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,000
in the aggregate, like between riches and towns, Like, is

663
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:32,119
there any way you could sort of finacle that and

664
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:37,079
and make them into a cohesive second tier star.

665
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could. I just don't know, like what

666
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,440
is the like at this point though, what would be

667
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:46,759
the grounds to make right ball? It's you would look

668
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:51,359
at okay and say it would be ballsy to just say, oh,

669
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400
New York is what did I say? They were they're

670
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,400
they're twenty eighth in offensive ratings during crunch time and

671
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,359
they're actually thirtieth now, So I'm be too generous. It's

672
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,720
like we're talking and they've been in crunch time seven

673
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,440
times this year and they're two and five. If that's like,

674
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,960
you have to give it the rest of this season.

675
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,440
And I'm not prepared to sit here and say that

676
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,039
the Knicks can't be better in crunch time because look,

677
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,880
I think if you go back and watch a lot

678
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,319
I haven't seen every crunch time possession, but if you

679
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,279
go back and watch some of them, a lot of

680
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,240
it's on Jalen Brunson, and like you're not putting in

681
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
like what is Tibbs do? Like Jalen bruns are not

682
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,960
passing or getting off the ball quickly enough. That's not

683
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,839
like that's not a Tibbs thing necessarily. So I would say, look,

684
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,480
if you're betting against is Tibbs, the answer for furtherest

685
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,200
roster is at the field. Statistically, the answer should always

686
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,680
be the field, because the Knicks are being measured against

687
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,240
did they win the title or not? Or did they

688
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,079
make the Eastern Conference finals or not? But I am

689
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,960
prepared to give it more of this season if we

690
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:47,880
don't think that they are, and I don't think either

691
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,319
of us think they're being fully optimized on offense. I'm

692
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:52,640
still prepared, given how well Towns is played, given how

693
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,559
well OG's played and been empowered on the offensive end.

694
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,720
Even Josh Hart like, I'm still prepared to give is

695
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,400
it Tims the benefit of the doubt. I'm not prepared.

696
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,119
I'll frame it this way. I'm not prepared to say

697
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Thibodau is not the answer for New York. I would

698
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,640
argue as of right now their situation. If you don't,

699
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,680
If you feel fantastic about this team, good for you.

700
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,200
I'm not gonna talk you out right. But if you

701
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,359
feel uneasy about this team, I'm gonna feel uneasy, more

702
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
so because of the personnel and the injuries, of course,

703
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,519
but the personnel than I am, because Tom Tibdeau is

704
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:24,839
the one that's captaining the.

705
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,079
Speaker 2: Ship, right And I and I wasn't insinuating that he Wasn't.

706
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,559
Speaker 1: You weren't you were outright saying it, You're a tiptaker.

707
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying that he has a tendency to

708
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,839
wear out his welcome. I do agree with you, though,

709
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,440
that over the past couple of years, we have seen

710
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,559
a Tips lean into you know, the three point shots

711
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,200
and more offensive freedom, and that was its right. I mean,

712
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,400
that was the sticking point for years and years and years.

713
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,240
So I'm not necessarily out on Tom Tippoteau by any stretch.

714
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,240
I just see a Knicks team very frequently that leaves

715
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,079
stuff on the floor where you're like, what the hell

716
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,720
is actually going on there? And and look to be

717
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
to be fair, it's not as if they're necessarily a

718
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,519
bad team. Look that that bulls loss for example, where

719
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,160
is Josh Hart who filed Kobe White unnecessarily that you

720
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160
know that that should have been a Knicks win. Ultimately,

721
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,880
that was just a brain fard decision by Joss Hart

722
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,880
to come over the top there. So if we turned

723
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,400
that and it's what then then what are the eight

724
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
and five instead? That looks better?

725
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: It looks better. So we both know crunch time, the

726
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,200
results they can be inherently random. It's a lot of

727
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,720
the times like three point defense in the NBA, so

728
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,640
like that stuff could normalize, it could not. But that

729
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,759
doesn't mean that they're like there are some teams that

730
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,480
were good in the clutch last year Demarta Rosen is

731
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
contending for Clutch Player of the Year and winning it

732
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,000
in Chicago. What did that do for the Bulls?

733
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,559
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely nothing.

734
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the first round pick on his way out apparently.

735
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,119
Speaker 2: And it's a fair point, I think for for us

736
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,000
who follow along, we heard all the noise. We for me,

737
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,119
I also assist in creating the noise that because when

738
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,960
I saw this roster, I was like, this could be

739
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,200
the second best team in the East. I was kind

740
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,119
of shocked to see Mikael come back with that shot.

741
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,639
I've been surprised to see him not even get to

742
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,920
the refrow line. I've seen now for thirteen games some

743
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,239
elements where I'm beginning to doubt whether this team is

744
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,599
going to find itself to where we talked about them.

745
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,079
It could just be a rough start to the season.

746
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,679
I am very much down to see where we look

747
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,199
or how they look come twenty twenty five, for example.

748
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,719
But if they're still just hanging around five hundred at

749
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,639
that point in time, I think you'd need to answer

750
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,480
some overarching tough questions.

751
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and look, I can't even argue that

752
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,440
some of that in my fall on machal Bridges too

753
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:48,920
just like he's more of his possessions with the Knicks

754
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,880
have come like his cuts than they did in Brooklyn

755
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,880
last year, which might speak to the pecking order of

756
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,079
it all, but yeah, I don't even I would have

757
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,719
to compare it. I wonder what he was at during

758
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,039
his final year in Phoenix, of like, what percentage of

759
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:01,679
his plays were we're coming off cuts was probably something

760
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,280
that I should look at. But they're Look they are

761
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,599
They were always going to be one of the most

762
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:11,039
polarizing teams, right they have not done anything to ask Look, yeah, look,

763
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,559
a higher percentage of McHale's bridges offensive possessions this year

764
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,400
are coming as cuts in New York than they did

765
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,440
during that final year in Phoenix. Okay, and even look

766
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,400
twenty twenty one twenty two was that there made it

767
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,159
to the finals that year? Was that that season or

768
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:24,920
was that twenty one?

769
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,199
Speaker 2: I feel I want to say twenty one in twenty

770
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,920
two were the Warrior.

771
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:31,559
Speaker 1: It's even higher than that. And then you look at

772
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,119
twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, like, okay, that's the year

773
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,079
that it was higher. But he was, like we've talked

774
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,000
about someone who's leveled up from Oh, we think he

775
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:39,519
could just move off the ball, like, oh, this guy

776
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,119
can do some extra stuff. So I they're tough. They're

777
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:45,960
a tough study, and it's a I think this is

778
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,760
all stuff that you could have looked at, though, with

779
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,559
everything that we've talked about, you could have looked at

780
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,639
the makeup with the roster and said, injuries and all.

781
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,320
I could see this being an issue. The mcale Bridges

782
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,039
of it all, even the Jail bruns In of it

783
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,039
all a little bit some of the crunch time owners

784
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,079
for sure, that's the stuff that was a little bit unpredictable.

785
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,079
And so we're talking about what everyone assumed was going

786
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,719
to be their two most consistent and best offensive players,

787
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,119
and so you kind of almost have to trust that

788
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,119
maybe Karl Anton Towns is good enough that Michail Bridges

789
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,679
is no no longer number two there. But I get

790
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:19,559
a lot of like I've already seen just flashes from

791
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,599
Jalen Brunson getting better, and so I think we get

792
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,800
default to the Nicks being in better shape. But I

793
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
would just reiterate that I still think they're one player away.

794
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,559
Speaker 2: And it's also early. Let's we have to at some point.

795
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: It's not though it's early until it's not we're like,

796
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,559
what is fifteen percent of the season in the books

797
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,400
or something that's not that's not nothing.

798
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: I mean there's eighty five percent left, right, But we.

799
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Know a lot of the times, like twenty games into

800
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,519
the season twenty one, twenty two, twenty five, that's when

801
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:46,360
a lot of this stuff.

802
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: That gives you twelve twelve games stand twelve games.

803
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Which gives a color that says like half of half

804
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,280
the season that's telltale is in the book. So half

805
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,119
of your season that you get to the point of

806
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,920
before we know their identity and who they are. So

807
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,039
they're fifty percent of the way through, and you and

808
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,880
I have talked in circles for thirty five minutes about them.

809
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: No, it is, it's it's fair. I just wanted to

810
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,639
get your take on it, and it did not disappoint.

811
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about something very important, critical when

812
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,239
we talk about improving NBA coverage. This is the stuff

813
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,280
we're talking, the heartening stuff that no one wants to do.

814
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,719
We're gonna grade the NBA City Edition uniforms for the

815
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,079
twenty twenty four twenty five season more. Are you ready, Yes, sir,

816
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,320
let's throw these bad boys up on screen. Here we go.

817
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:33,320
But as a reminder for anyone, we're gonna grade them

818
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,400
on an A, B, C, D F scale. There's no E.

819
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,440
I don't know. I want to know why. That's the thing.

820
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,159
Clearly they're not anti vowels. C is average. I don't

821
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,159
want to see people in the comments if your A

822
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,079
team get to see that all that, why did you?

823
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,760
Why is it an A plus A C is average

824
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,719
anything C plus B minus B plus A A plus

825
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,800
A minus whatever. Those are all good grades. If you

826
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,559
get a D even a C minus, it's like, all right,

827
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:03,039
they were close. If you get a D, D plus F,

828
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,239
that's where you come to talk to us. I also

829
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,440
want to say, I know there's or there claims to

830
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,159
be a lot of history of trying to honor the

831
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:14,400
city behind these great We are not trying to insult

832
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,840
what they're trying to represent by any means. I'm not

833
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,280
trying to denigrate or degrade.

834
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,519
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not.

835
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: I am Then, is what you're saying. Yes, we are

836
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,360
not trying to denigrate or degrade the history of any

837
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,840
franchise or the city in which they play or might

838
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,760
may have formally played. We're just looking purely at esthetics.

839
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:41,000
This is clearly super scientific and did I is there

840
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:43,159
anything else we need to couch this with more?

841
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,159
Speaker 2: No, But I'm just too busy thinking about like the

842
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,760
great scale, because yours actually makes a lot more sense

843
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,239
than ours. Like us, like over here, we have from

844
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480
minus three to twelve, and it's you wouldn't think it

845
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,159
goes like you think it goes minus three, minus two,

846
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,559
minus one. No, No, it jumps from minus three to

847
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,599
double zero, then to zero two, then to four, seven, ten,

848
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,760
and twelve. That's how our grade system works over here,

849
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,639
So yours, well, ones, makes more sense.

850
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,079
Speaker 1: Maybe your, But that might be why you guys are smarter,

851
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,039
because like you have to think about how you think

852
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,239
about that what people like just did, because it's that

853
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,559
that's not something can you intuitively just say off the cuff,

854
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,679
like oh, double zero or do you have to think

855
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,000
about it a little bit more? Because I think no.

856
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,599
Speaker 2: I mean so, so like the average is seven, seven

857
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,519
is like the average, So there that's what we go for.

858
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,360
That's our c and then twelve is like the exceptional, right,

859
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,079
and then there's the ten, which is between average and exceptional,

860
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,159
like the very good sort of thing.

861
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this right now, and I'm if we

862
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,920
get If there's a thousand likes on this video, Morret

863
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,639
and I will grade in podcast form every NBA team

864
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719
season using the Danish grading scale. So if you want

865
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,800
to see that, yes, share the hell out of this episode.

866
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: Love it?

867
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: Okay, First up, more, we're going alphabetically the Atlanta Hawks.

868
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,199
I think the best way to do this just any

869
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,639
quick thoughts about what stands out, likes or dislikes, and

870
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,480
we can go from there.

871
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,599
Speaker 2: I actually think it's pretty clean. I like it clean, Tracy.

872
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,960
The one thing I don't like is the number right

873
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,239
below the Nike logo. I think that's a little bit.

874
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,159
Speaker 1: I love it. Call the Nike logo. I love it.

875
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,840
What what it is?

876
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,039
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a logo, like the brand logo whatever.

877
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,760
Like sometimes Jordan's.

878
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: Nike and you're like, you're pronouncing it as it's spelled.

879
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,719
I appreciate that.

880
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 2: It's like that's because we actually say Nike over here.

881
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh do you that's awesome?

882
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: I know, yes, No, and it's it's wrong. It's like

883
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,480
we always say Nike shoes instead of Nike shoes.

884
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,159
Speaker 1: If there's ads playing, I guess does Nike ever say

885
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,679
their name in the ads, but like they never really.

886
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,960
I wonder if they did, would they play Because like

887
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Blink one eighty two, anyone who watch in this podcast

888
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,159
knows I love them. There are corners of the world

889
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,400
where they're known as Blink one eight two. So like

890
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,239
I'm wondering to be the same type of thing where

891
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,199
it's or a Blink one and eighty two, Like people

892
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,360
will say, right, stuff like that.

893
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's funny. It's not just Nike. So for example,

894
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,840
over in your neck of the woods, you say Adidas,

895
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:15,480
it's Edidas.

896
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:20,119
Speaker 1: That's that feels more like maybe like an accent thing though,

897
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:20,920
like that's a no, no.

898
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: No, that it comes from a name Eddie desla Oh.

899
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: I prefer so it's how do you pronounce it?

900
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: A Edid? Yeah?

901
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: I think I prefer that. It makes me feel pretentious

902
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,960
and superior to everybody else.

903
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,519
Speaker 2: Nobody. So I actually like this jersey. Again, I don't

904
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,039
like the Nike loco right over the jersey number. I

905
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,400
think that gets a little bit cluttered. It feels like

906
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,880
you're you're kind of fluttering the logo, the number and

907
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,199
then the hawks. Right, it's all a little bit too

908
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,320
much together. But otherwise I like the white, I like

909
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,920
the baby blue. I'm gonna give this like a B minus.

910
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little, I'm gonna go be I

911
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,400
like everything you said. The number. It's like, well, we

912
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,840
have all that blank space beneath, like that first strip

913
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,920
of blue, so why could the number just go there?

914
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,679
We could tilt it too, That'd be really fun, like

915
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,639
a crooked numbers there. And then also I do feel

916
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,599
like the Hawks, like actual name, it would pop more

917
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:22,920
if it was just a different color, Like let's make

918
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,960
this thing like the navy on the light you would

919
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:29,159
or the black, like it's not clashing. But it's also like,

920
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,480
let's make the Hawks pop more.

921
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: I agree.

922
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you gave B minus, I gave a bee

923
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,239
solid Jersey Hawks especially, we're gonna be disappointed in maybe

924
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,639
a few seconds, even as we move on to Boston

925
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Celtics more people. I don't know if you've seen it,

926
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:48,760
the social media is not happy with this Boston Celtics jersey.

927
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,599
And maybe I'm not trying to influence you, but maybe

928
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:55,079
I'm just jaded by their previous iterations. I kind of

929
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,400
saw the lime green with the dark green, and you

930
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,840
have the lime green coming like down the rib strip,

931
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:00,519
and I was just.

932
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,599
Speaker 2: Like, that's not bad, Like is it fluorescent? Like if

933
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,760
we go to the club, does this not light up?

934
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,440
I need to know if I can wear that back

935
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,519
to two thousand and two in like a Slovenian discothech.

936
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:16,360
That's what I need to know.

937
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,599
Speaker 1: I think you could, but you know what prevents you.

938
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,800
This is why I'm going to downgrade them a little bit.

939
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,159
There needs to be more of it, Like the number

940
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,480
needs to be bigger. You have all that empty space

941
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,519
like that, yeah right there, So like the number could

942
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,400
have just been let's make it comically large, maybe for

943
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,800
the people who use reading glasses, like so they don't

944
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,039
have to use a magnifying glass to see it. Then

945
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:41,679
you could wear it to the disco. Tech.

946
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. It just it feels like that's a jersey some

947
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,760
random Italian bro with where without knowing who the player is,

948
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,039
who the team is. He's actually a football fan. He

949
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,639
doesn't really know basketball. He bought it on a whim.

950
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,599
He goes into the club, everything gets stark, the lights

951
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,400
turned on, and the only thing you see from him

952
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,480
is whitened seas and Celtics zero. I kind of like

953
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:05,440
the idea of that, So I'm gonna give that a

954
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:06,159
B plus.

955
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,119
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a C minus from me because I

956
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:10,840
don't think this is even close to the I was

957
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,920
surprised how many people dislike this, and this is coming

958
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,760
from someone who I know the fluorescent coloring is loud.

959
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:19,239
I love loudness and boldness, even if it looks bad.

960
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,840
I appreciate people taking a chance. I will say this

961
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:26,760
is anecdotally speaking, it feels like Boston, Chicago and the

962
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,559
Knicks need to do a better job of being creative

963
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,559
with their alternate jersey designs. These are not franchises that

964
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,320
ever feel like you take a real chance.

965
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,639
Speaker 2: I think for me it's I love black jerseys. I

966
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,719
don't know what it is, always have for whatever reason.

967
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,719
So that's why scores extra points with me. Had this

968
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,960
been white, and had there been like some sort of

969
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:54,119
black margin around the Celtics, I probably would have grated

970
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:54,599
it lower.

971
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,079
Speaker 1: So you went with a B or B plus.

972
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: I think I said P plus.

973
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm own C minus here they're getting penalized for just

974
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,199
continuing not to be loud. This one. It's a little

975
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,960
loud Brooklyn nets More.

976
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,199
Speaker 2: What do you think it's wacky. It's wacky.

977
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: I love the lettering. Is that supposed to be like

978
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,880
the subway signs? A little bit like I believe somebody

979
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,719
is that? Or kind of like a contemporary ransom note? Right?

980
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,639
Speaker 2: Might be both? Those are not usually exclusive, sir, all right,

981
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,400
it's creative. I don't I don't hate it, and it's

982
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,559
kind of wacky, it's fun. I do think the thirty three,

983
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,199
like the Jersey number, is a little bit small. Yeah,

984
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:37,559
you know what, I'm gonna give the solidpie.

985
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a minus.

986
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 2: I like, oh, that's high.

987
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: We're talking about a franchise that your base colors are black, white,

988
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:48,800
and maybe silver if you want to be generous, and like,

989
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,800
they still be a way to be creative with those colors.

990
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,159
And I like the color accents on the lettering. I

991
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:55,639
actually would have liked it more if they put it

992
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,119
on the numbers too. And I'm with you that if

993
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,760
the numbers were bigger, that would be cooler as well.

994
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,400
So I think this came pretty close, especially again with

995
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:05,800
the base colors they were trying to work with. I

996
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,280
think this came close to like pretty much hitting all right,

997
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,119
our next team up alphabetically the Charlotte Hornets.

998
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,559
Speaker 2: How are you feeling the clause there to make me

999
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,639
I'm feeling uninspired, Dan, That's probably the best way to

1000
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,800
phrase it. I nothing gets me going about that. It's

1001
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000
just it's boring. It feels like it's something we've seen

1002
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:30,159
before a million times.

1003
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,559
Speaker 1: It's I just I'm oh, man, it's like they repurposed.

1004
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,039
Obviously not last year's was the had the buzz City

1005
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:41,320
on it. But it feels like they just repurposed and

1006
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,239
changed a little bit like their previous alternates and that

1007
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,000
I always love the teal. It's like it's gonna be

1008
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,920
tough to I can't hate this. I actually like the design,

1009
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,039
but it's could have been a little bit like differentiated

1010
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,119
a little bit more from jerseys of them that we've

1011
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,480
seen in the past. And I personally don't love Again.

1012
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,639
I know it's you're not working with a ton of colors,

1013
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,159
but I don't love sort of the gold streaks like

1014
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,519
to where it's and it almost doesn't feel gold. It's

1015
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,760
like an obnoxious brown almost, is what it looks like.

1016
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,119
Speaker 2: I think this is a d for me because it

1017
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,880
just feels stickish that they try to release one of these.

1018
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm a sucker for the teo and I

1019
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,239
kind of like how it's like a gradient a little bit.

1020
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,360
So I'm gonna go see that's fair. That moves us

1021
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,920
onto I'm gonna sign them to you, like I'm gonna

1022
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,880
sign ownership to you. They are your Chicago Bulls.

1023
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: They are certainly not I will not receive slander on

1024
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,719
this podcast. I quit the Bulls, by the way, just

1025
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,320
just I never smoke, but I imagine that's how it

1026
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:49,760
felt like. That is the old Chicago, like theater nineteen

1027
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,199
twenty style. They had someone similar in twenty twenty just

1028
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,840
in I don't I don't want to say black. It

1029
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,039
was sort of a dark gray or something like that.

1030
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,840
And I love that font. I think the nineteen twenty

1031
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,559
Chicago era, it's always kind of intriguing to me. So

1032
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,480
I'm actually surprisingly down with this one. I'm gonna go be.

1033
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: What is the matter with you?

1034
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:18,559
Speaker 2: Oh a lot of things.

1035
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: There is so much wrong here, So I don't I

1036
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,360
don't mind the font and just sort of like you

1037
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,440
have the like the echo off center when you're looking

1038
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,199
at the numbers specifically and we're using the number zero

1039
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,239
as the baseline, and then just again the outline on

1040
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,760
the Bulls. The number we could say this about a

1041
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,119
lot of teams could be bigger. I hate there's too

1042
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:41,440
much white here. If you wanted to go with this color, like,

1043
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,800
why couldn't they do some type of a gradient with

1044
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,039
the black and gold. I maybe appreciate what they're trying

1045
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:47,880
to do with the homage. And I like the I

1046
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,440
call it the like the oblique rib area. I like

1047
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,840
having that streak of like gold with their their stars

1048
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,159
on there. It's clean, it's clean without being too plain.

1049
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,599
And they tried something different, which you know, I gotta go.

1050
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,039
I'm gonna I'm gonna wait this here because they did

1051
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:09,239
try something different, and I expect the worst from the Bulls.

1052
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,719
I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with a C

1053
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,119
minus also fair. This is all subjective.

1054
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna hate on you like and of course

1055
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,679
I know that whenever I say something you can just

1056
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,000
attack me as much as you want from my subjective opinion.

1057
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Dan, that's fine, and one of us is wrong, and

1058
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,239
it's me. I'm right, you're wrong.

1059
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,639
Speaker 2: I can definitely tell you've just come off an election circle.

1060
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:35,320
Absolutely Cleveland.

1061
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1062
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: And more the land so I here's the thing, right

1063
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,960
you think get about the movie. No, not really, it's

1064
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,880
it's I don't really understand it.

1065
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:51,119
Speaker 1: As like I get the whole ring of reference thing

1066
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,440
to an extent, but it's not something that speaks to

1067
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:54,119
me at all.

1068
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,159
Speaker 2: I just think it sounds awkward. But I'll say this,

1069
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,039
the fact that it's sort of gradient. It is supposed

1070
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,599
to be gradient, right it gets darker. Yeah, I like that.

1071
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,760
I like the jerseys that dare to go gradient. I'm

1072
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,760
not really sure what the hell it is that put

1073
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,719
on the sides there that feels like it kind of

1074
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,119
spoils clean. Look, it isn't I know.

1075
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: We said we weren't gonna get too deep in the

1076
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,440
history of everything, but it is like it's from the

1077
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,199
historic Playhouse Square of downtown Cleveland, and so there's like

1078
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,440
emblems of that, Like there's nod to the Cleveland Museum

1079
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,960
of Art. So there's just like there's a bunch of

1080
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,679
different stuff. So it's chaotic a little bit. But we

1081
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,480
talk about we want teams to differentiate.

1082
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, am I supposed to understand Cleveland landmarks? Because in

1083
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,960
the words of joking Noah Doude, do you ever go

1084
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,119
to Cleveland on vacation.

1085
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: Look, we're honestly, you're not supposed to understand that we

1086
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,400
set we're grading just off the esthetics of it.

1087
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: All, right, turn off, that's actually fair, that's actually fair.

1088
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,519
I think it's a little dull. I'm gonna give it

1089
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:53,679
a C.

1090
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a B minus for me. I

1091
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,400
like the font they used for the land. Again, the

1092
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:03,039
numbers should be like their number small even by the

1093
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:06,360
standards that we've seen. I don't love like, why couldn't

1094
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,639
could we have differentiated the color that the land is

1095
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:10,880
written a little bit to make it pop, Like if

1096
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,039
that even if that was in a black more, wouldn't

1097
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,920
that a pop more more?

1098
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

1099
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I love what they have going down the rib

1100
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,480
oblique area. And you pointed out I didn't even notice

1101
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:22,880
it necessarily right away, but there is that slight gradient

1102
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,119
in the light blue. I'm like, huh, I wish I

1103
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:29,159
could see the land more because I love that font. Like,

1104
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,239
I love what that's saying.

1105
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: So they said there's a problem with the fond. Here's

1106
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,719
so I I you don't know this, but I actually

1107
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,679
am a multimedia designer. So I used to like design

1108
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,960
stuff like this. If you look at the A, right,

1109
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:48,719
you see it's all white in the circle. Okay, we're like, yeah,

1110
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:54,679
whereas with the D it's transparent. Yeah. That messes with

1111
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,280
my eye. That is something I was taught years and

1112
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,760
years ago. Never never to that. Like, so the professional

1113
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,880
eye of me right now is insulted, absolutely insulted.

1114
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 1: So you would rather it be like, because these letters

1115
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,320
are connected, you'd rather than be separate and then like

1116
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,559
keep the like the the white in the background of it,

1117
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,199
or get rid of the white altogether.

1118
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: From that, I just want to get the white from

1119
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,719
the A, like in the middle of the A. I

1120
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,559
just want that to be blue. That's it. It's like,

1121
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:27,599
are you.

1122
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,039
Speaker 1: I wonder if they did that because it would have

1123
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:33,320
been too hard to read. If it wasn't, that might

1124
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
have been a thing. Yeah, but that's that doesn't speak

1125
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:39,119
to the advantage though. That's not dumb, Like I'm gonna

1126
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,400
go see though, because I like I like a lot

1127
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,039
of the chaos. I like the chaotic elements looking of

1128
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:49,960
it on the side next level, that was mad.

1129
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:58,199
Speaker 2: Right, So unless they've decided to also basically air the

1130
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,920
game in black and white, which could actually be dope,

1131
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,880
like maybe just an NBA game in black and white.

1132
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,199
That would work. Then I'm down with this because then

1133
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,880
I have no idea what color it really is. If

1134
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,880
this is the real jersey, then we're gonna watch on

1135
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,079
a colored television. I have no idea what the hell

1136
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:16,800
they were trying to do.

1137
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,639
Speaker 1: Do you want to read their portrayal of it? The

1138
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,840
Mavericks have unveiled their City Edition uniform, celebrating American music

1139
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,280
culture and spirit of Dallas, from the creation of the

1140
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,880
style in the early twentieth century to the introduction of

1141
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,679
the electric guitar to the evolution of rock and roll showmanship.

1142
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,199
Dallas slash Fortworth legends have shaped the arc of the

1143
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,079
Blues all the way to the present day, and the

1144
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:42,039
City Edition uniform honors their deep history.

1145
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,199
Speaker 2: I wish there were more blues because that is this

1146
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,039
isn't F minus right, Yeah, it's it's horrible, absolutely ghastly.

1147
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:53,559
Yep F minus what I yeah, I minus three? If

1148
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:54,519
minus three?

1149
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:56,559
Speaker 1: If you forced me to pick one thing, I like

1150
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,280
we do have. You can't really see it in the

1151
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,599
portrayal photo, but like having the stuff going down the

1152
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,039
ribs very interesting. And then there is something around the

1153
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,480
like the jersey tag that's at the bottom. That's kind

1154
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,440
of interesting, But why is there so much space? And

1155
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:12,480
I do I guess I kind of like the like

1156
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,039
the font on the M and the S for the MAVs.

1157
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,559
But this is just I'll get I'll go F rather

1158
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:20,000
than F minus because.

1159
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: It was this is when we wake up Friday morning

1160
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,679
knowing we have a science project that we haven't even

1161
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,400
started on, and this is where we end up handing it.

1162
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,519
Speaker 1: The Denver Nuggets. I've seen mixed reviews on this one.

1163
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,000
How are you feeling about the Denver Nuggets?

1164
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: Frisky some color? Yeah, I'm down with it. I like it.

1165
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: I fuck with this. I'm not gonna lie. It's an

1166
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,159
A plus for me.

1167
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1168
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,679
Speaker 1: I love the trim the numbers. I mean, I guess

1169
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,760
some people might be tired of the five two hundred

1170
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,559
and eighty, but like, that's cool. What it not? So

1171
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,559
I even like if I had a complaint, it's like, okay,

1172
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,519
so fifty two eighty is so huge, But again, the

1173
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,960
Jersey number is very small. But I love the color

1174
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,679
schemes going down that that is that's freaking awesome in

1175
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,400
the way that they have, like the differentiation in the

1176
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,760
background where it's like some of it is transparent, but

1177
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,920
the rest has the backdrop of the color. But I

1178
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,840
also do like if you look at the number, and

1179
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,360
we're looking at number four here, I like the thought

1180
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,639
of the number. I feel like it's sneaky, sleek.

1181
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 2: I wonder has there ever been a rep who's mistaken

1182
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,679
like the numbers and called a foul a different way?

1183
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,519
Because there's just two number numbers.

1184
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,159
Speaker 1: I guess you only see it in a flash, and

1185
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:30,840
you only see the back half or the front half.

1186
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,840
It's like, oh, number fifty two or number eighty. It's possible. Yeah,

1187
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,119
but they're probably mostly looking at the back of the jerseys.

1188
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume. So, No, you're right this. I am

1189
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,159
not sure how I'm gonna go A plus, but I'm

1190
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:43,719
gonna go A.

1191
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Yes there, I think they are clear A. I've seen

1192
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:48,559
mixed reviews, though. Does that surprise you that this wasn't hey?

1193
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: It does, yes, but people are weird.

1194
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: Here we go the Detroit Pistons more right? Yeah with them?

1195
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1196
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: No, I like that.

1197
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:04,199
Speaker 2: I actually like that the beige, the stark contrast of

1198
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,280
the black and red. This is good, man. Yeah, this

1199
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,800
is good B plus at least, if not an A.

1200
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I like that they I just like that an NBA

1201
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,719
team use the color bone and like said it, like

1202
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,360
that's what we're calling. I like the font on pistons. Again,

1203
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,199
are they not allowed to take up more space on

1204
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,079
the front of the jersey?

1205
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: It seems like there's a pattern here now that where

1206
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,519
we can safely assume there has to be some some guidelines.

1207
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I like I love the font on pistons. I

1208
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,079
love the font for the jersey number. It'd be cool

1209
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,320
if they like I appreciate more chaos. So I'd like

1210
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,480
to see some more bigger things. But I think would

1211
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:41,920
you go B.

1212
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,039
Speaker 2: No? I I think B plus is the might as

1213
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,719
like at the at the least maybe even A. Now

1214
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,760
here's one thing that would ruin it for me. So

1215
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,639
the Pistons have in the past had a tendency to

1216
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,400
put the number above their their surname on the on

1217
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,840
the back of the jersey, which I hate. I all

1218
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,280
always hate that. So, like, are we do we have

1219
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,079
a picture of the back of the jersey. Do we

1220
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,159
know if the surname is above the number?

1221
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: We could, but you know what, people have to judge it.

1222
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,760
We're like, you're probably I look more in front of

1223
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,760
jerseys for designs than back, because very rarely is there

1224
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,880
gonna be a big difference, and sometimes it's even more

1225
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:20,960
vanilla than it would be on the front.

1226
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:25,519
Speaker 2: I endorizations wins championships to that type of guy, huh.

1227
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,079
Speaker 1: Do you I didn't. I'm just noticing this because it's

1228
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:30,880
so small they have and I tried not to read

1229
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,920
up on these because that's why I want it to

1230
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,840
come in fresh. Some people might say unprepared. I call

1231
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,840
it fresh. By the jock tag, it says the back

1232
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,880
to back at the bottom like in the like at

1233
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,719
the very bottom of the funt. I love that.

1234
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:46,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1235
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: That bumped it up to That bumped it up to

1236
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,119
a B plus for me. I can't tell. You said

1237
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:52,880
it's red. It looks like it might be. Orange is

1238
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,920
the secondary color. So the fact that I can't tell

1239
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,400
the difference orange he said red, It looks orange to me.

1240
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah it no, okay, it looks red to me. It

1241
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,840
doesn't say it's orange.

1242
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Let's see. I mean, because I do have the page

1243
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,239
pulled up where I got these photos from. It is more.

1244
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:10,880
Oh it's orange.

1245
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay.

1246
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. The orange stripe down the side of the uniform

1247
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,079
is embossed with a repeating eighty nine to ninety monochromatic

1248
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,039
number design. Damn all right, all right, well you know what,

1249
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,840
that doesn't make any significant change for me because it's

1250
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,159
it's dope as the way it looks, so.

1251
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,679
Speaker 2: I like it.

1252
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 1: P plus from me, that was a good job. Is again?

1253
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,480
Can we just get someone needs to be bigger on

1254
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,599
the front of these jerseys, except not this team. Jesus Christmas.

1255
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,880
How you feeling about Golden State? It?

1256
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:41,199
Speaker 2: Am I wrong for saying it looks like one of

1257
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,280
the old jerseys that the Nuggets played around with years ago.

1258
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Golden State has giving me those vibes.

1259
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, too much just going on like it. I

1260
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:56,440
don't know what it is. It's just too many colors

1261
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:58,599
I think doesn't mesh really well.

1262
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: They did, at least they didn't. You remember those atrocious

1263
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:05,880
reflective orange jerseys that they had like two or three

1264
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,360
decades ago at this point. Yeah, I like, I will say,

1265
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,440
I don't mind the color scheme, like with the name,

1266
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:14,440
but like also you're looking at the trim or the

1267
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,199
by the ribs where they kind of like it looks

1268
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,960
like they have both the Navy and the orange worked

1269
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,719
into there. That's not easy to do. And I like

1270
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,519
the what is that a bridge by the jock tag?

1271
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,400
So I don't hate these, but like it felt it

1272
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,320
feels like you could have been and we do have

1273
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,119
to give them a nod. They did make the jersey

1274
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,119
and the like Golden State, Like, that's taking up a

1275
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:37,559
good amount of the front. So what's been one of

1276
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:41,039
our biggest qualms to date? That is too small? I'm

1277
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,239
still going c minus here.

1278
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: It just yeah, it doesn't do anything for me.

1279
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna god, wow, nice big differentiator on that. Okay,

1280
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,159
Houston rockets Age Town, Baby, I.

1281
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,199
Speaker 2: Like it, like it leans into how people talk and.

1282
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: To me also point out we wanted this is proof

1283
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,800
that you can go bigger on the front.

1284
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:10,519
Speaker 2: Right Look at that. Yeah, here's the thing. There's no

1285
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,679
doubt who the player is going to be because you

1286
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,760
can actually see the number. You can also see the

1287
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,360
player because they're going to be wearing the jersey. But

1288
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,400
you catch my drift here and the fact that they

1289
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,079
say Age Town, which is a little rock and roll.

1290
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,760
I love that. Yeah, and the trimming that is that

1291
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,559
black and red on the side there. Yeah.

1292
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,519
Speaker 1: Do you feel about it like being white? Like do

1293
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,360
you think that there should have been more color on

1294
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:36,000
the like because it's fine.

1295
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: It's fine. The he town makes up for it because it's.

1296
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,719
Speaker 1: You know, glaring red that by that font choice incredible

1297
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,880
to like the way and that I love that the

1298
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,159
fifteen is so big. I do wish, man, if they

1299
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,679
could have just like so, if they could have thickened.

1300
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:52,280
I know what they're trying to do where it's like

1301
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,320
creating that jersey outline on the front, but if they

1302
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,880
could have just moved it, like made it thicker to

1303
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:58,559
like where more of the black and the red is

1304
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:01,559
on the sides, this might have been the A plus jersey.

1305
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:06,000
I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go be.

1306
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:07,760
I'm gonna go A minus here.

1307
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: I like it. I was gonna go B plus who

1308
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,239
We're very close the Indiana Pacers.

1309
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,119
Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see your thoughts on these. As

1310
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,920
I was putting it in before we recorded today, I

1311
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:19,519
was like, I really want to know what more thinks

1312
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:19,960
about these.

1313
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,559
Speaker 2: Have we not seen some iteration of these before?

1314
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,719
Speaker 1: No, we've had We've seen something very similar. That's why

1315
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:26,159
I wanted to.

1316
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: Know what Yeah, right, I mean, I I still I

1317
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,800
think they got something. I don't think it's an ugly jersey.

1318
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,000
I like that they're bold, They're they're daring. Again the

1319
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,360
small number, but like this, this feels very play in

1320
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,199
a way that I can appreciate. Sports are, after all, entertainment,

1321
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,159
and they're leaning into the same entertainment aspect of it.

1322
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,920
I don't hate it. It's a solid beef for you.

1323
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm going B plus and this. I love the way

1324
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,920
that the like the paint splatter yellow on top of

1325
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,280
the black on the trim is great. And I love

1326
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,480
that they have in and sort of that like I

1327
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:03,199
guess you'd call it like a teal blue with the

1328
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,440
yellow outline on it. The number could be bigger, as

1329
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,719
you said, Yeah, it also could have an outline itself.

1330
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,719
It's weird to see it so plain juxtaposed like to

1331
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,599
the indie, but I like the font of it and

1332
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:16,880
it makes up for it. I just I wish it

1333
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,880
was bigger. And as you said, the word is like played.

1334
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,559
We've seen some variation of this before, so that's what

1335
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:24,000
prevents me from going any higher.

1336
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1337
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:31,199
Speaker 1: The La Clippers. They have a gradient they have.

1338
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: That doesn't save them. God that snooze will I'm sorry.

1339
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,840
Clips Okay, great with a basketball as the doti and

1340
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,480
I did you get?

1341
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 1: And maybe this is when I see this clips thing,

1342
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:48,480
because now we've seen it. I just I mean, maybe

1343
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:51,239
it makes sense because Steve Bomber owns them or is

1344
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,039
the like is the team owner. I'm just reminded like

1345
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:58,000
Microsoft Windows nineteen ninety five with the paper clip guy,

1346
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:02,920
I don't like I the fond I don't. I don't

1347
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,840
hate that aspect of it, but that's what I'm immediately

1348
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,679
drawn towards. I don't understand, though, I guess following their

1349
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,960
rebrand you can still I don't like they've tried to

1350
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:12,920
mess together. You've seen their court where it has like

1351
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,840
the palm trees with the clips on it. There's like

1352
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:19,079
their branding just seems so inconsistent right now, I guess

1353
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:22,119
is where I'm at. And the gradient, the differentiation and

1354
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:25,519
the color. I love the blue, but like, okay, do

1355
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:27,920
we have to go navy here? I think there were

1356
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,079
they nodding to this is the Cincinnati Royals team, right

1357
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,679
if I'm not mistaken, So I don't know.

1358
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,079
Speaker 2: And also like if you look at it really quickly,

1359
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:42,960
you might tend to read chips instead of clips and

1360
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:44,679
you don't want to do that, like you want to

1361
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:48,360
make sure you understand what it says quickly and this point,

1362
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:49,280
and I am apologizing.

1363
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't know why I said this was the Cincinnati

1364
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,679
Royals team that is pas, that's the King's right. Yeah,

1365
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,639
I don't know why I got mixed up. This would

1366
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:57,760
be the San Diego team. I don't.

1367
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,599
Speaker 2: Oh no, look it's fine. It's jersey. You you're you're like,

1368
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:02,440
it's jerseys, You're fine.

1369
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:07,159
Speaker 1: I so all respect to I'm Gonnat the designer La

1370
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:11,119
based artist Jonas. Would I love the base of the jersey.

1371
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,480
It feels like there's way more that could just be

1372
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,000
like done to improve the I although, what else could

1373
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000
you have done with the clips? If they were said, like, hey,

1374
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:21,760
we're gonna use this clips thing, like you need to

1375
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,519
incorporate that, like maybe a bigger number with like kind

1376
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,800
of a different color or literally anything else would have

1377
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,400
been fun, like taking inspiration from your last name, would

1378
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:33,679
just at a woodpanel on that entire thing.

1379
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,639
Speaker 2: That would have been more fun, because that this one

1380
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,559
is just uninspiring. So would you go with C minus?

1381
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,199
Speaker 1: I think I THINKNA minus. I'm with you because it's

1382
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:44,199
not it's it's clean to look at, so it's not

1383
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:51,119
DF territory, right, the Los Angeles Lakers, mister Mort. I

1384
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:52,599
don't know why I'm calling you, mister Mort. I've never

1385
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:53,679
called you that before in my life.

1386
01:04:54,840 --> 01:05:01,519
Speaker 2: No, at least not in a professional setting. Lake Show, okay,

1387
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:06,840
you know, I actually I actually hate the fact that

1388
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,280
I used Lake Lake Show.

1389
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: Their saving grace. Do you remember last year's that had

1390
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,440
the triangle like the way that they had their like

1391
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:15,920
Los Angeles Lakers was spelled it.

1392
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:16,119
Speaker 2: It was.

1393
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,599
Speaker 1: It was awful. This is better than that.

1394
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,039
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I don't remember jerseys from

1395
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:25,280
last year. I just don't. It's not something that I

1396
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,119
have space in my brain to put in and keep

1397
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:29,840
and retaying.

1398
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,079
Speaker 1: You when you go, while we're done, here go, you'll

1399
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:33,960
remember them because they were that.

1400
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, So again Lake Show just feels like

1401
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,599
some sort of pandering. I don't know. It's just it's

1402
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:47,199
I love the gradient though, from black to purple. It

1403
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,719
seems like the great yeah, but but it stopped so early, right,

1404
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,519
It's it's like, okay, we decide to go from black

1405
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:57,159
to purple at like thirty three percent of the jersey

1406
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,719
and then the rest is just Norman Norman normal purple,

1407
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,719
whereas the gradient could have faded in more.

1408
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:09,159
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I the gradient could be doing more.

1409
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:12,519
I don't understand why everything is so small again, Like

1410
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,159
that's been one of my complaints. I also don't like,

1411
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,039
couldn't they have done more by the job. We saw

1412
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:20,320
some of these other teams like put a bunch more

1413
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,039
by the jock deg and they're like, no, we're gonna

1414
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:23,679
go super preh.

1415
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: And then you also have the the purple in the numbers,

1416
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,239
which just seems a little uninspiring when you have the

1417
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,719
all yellow Lake show.

1418
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if if they had moved it

1419
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,679
down and you could have made the number what am I?

1420
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:41,239
I'm gonna say this for almost everything, they could have

1421
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:43,400
made the number bigger if you had moved it down.

1422
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,920
I wonder if that would have been because what they're

1423
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,320
trying to do with the numbers, it seems could that

1424
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,400
have extended the black gradient because it seems like they

1425
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,800
very clearly wanted it to be all purple with the

1426
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,320
yellow outline by that point, So if you move that down,

1427
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,760
maybe that would allow you to extend the gradient.

1428
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is d.

1429
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a I think. I'm still just happy they

1430
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,239
didn't repeat from I'm Gonna go deplus and feeling optimistic

1431
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:13,599
about this one, the Memphis Grizzlies. I look off the cuff.

1432
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,440
Why do I feel like we're about to watch like

1433
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:22,239
a nineteen seventies adult film by looking at the front

1434
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:23,199
of this jersey and.

1435
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: Fairness that would have been prioritized to watching last year's

1436
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:27,880
Memphis Grizzlies.

1437
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like the fond that Le's very

1438
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,039
clearly took a chance, and so I'm getting a clear

1439
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:42,400
like vibe from it. Obviously, I don't hate the red

1440
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:46,599
with the white and the baby blue. I just I

1441
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:48,559
don't know. I do not know how to feel about

1442
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:50,440
this one. I definitely would have had the trim probably

1443
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,480
be more baby blue than the white.

1444
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,119
Speaker 2: See is that baby blue? Because I looked that and

1445
01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:59,400
I seek gray. So it's interesting saying is that it

1446
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,000
should be Oh okay, good, I thought I was. My

1447
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,559
eyes were messed up again. Okay, no, this is this

1448
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,079
is this is like they took a chance. I'll give

1449
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:12,400
them some points for that. I'm not with it. I'm

1450
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:13,920
probably gonna give that a C minus.

1451
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see what their inspiration was. This is

1452
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,800
like a nod to the ABA Day. Hey, nineteen seventy four,

1453
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,439
nineteen seventy five sounds Jersey. So at least my my

1454
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,319
adult film era vibes was correct.

1455
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1456
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I think there needs to be aside

1457
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,720
from bigger numbers in Memphis, I think that there just

1458
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,159
needs to be more. If they call it the Beal

1459
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,000
Street Blue in Here Incorporated, I'd probably like it a

1460
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:42,399
little bit more. It would have gotten an A plus

1461
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,359
for my For me if it just said job did

1462
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,680
or j John Doest Memphis, Oh, that would be fun.

1463
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,439
I'll go C minus as well. I think you have

1464
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,920
the right vibe here. I don't even I hate this one.

1465
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:58,079
Miami drop the Heat culture bullshit? Yeah, ready, yep, the

1466
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:02,680
number could be bigger, the the font is uninventive here.

1467
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,720
I give me a reason not to give this an F.

1468
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: Well, I can't. I mean, the Heat themselves will probably

1469
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,720
try to give you several reasons, chief among them being, well,

1470
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,159
we're the only basketball team in the history of sports

1471
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,840
to have a culture, which I'm like you, I'm very

1472
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,760
sick of just the arrogance that comes off of he

1473
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,520
Heat culture and the funny thing is I just this

1474
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,439
is an aside. I don't even think their fans are

1475
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,520
like way into it like some are, but like a

1476
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,239
lot of fans are heat culture.

1477
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: You're right, I've never thought of that.

1478
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 2: There are a lot of fans were just like, all right, fine,

1479
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,439
I guess like it's just like yeah, right exactly, so

1480
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,760
like it might be time to just don't just don't.

1481
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: Uh this is gonna be Could it be any worse?

1482
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: Yes?

1483
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,199
Speaker 1: Yes, if the if the number was also black, all right,

1484
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:02,640
so they'll get just this straight f rather than right exactly. Yes,

1485
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:03,880
you saved them more.

1486
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I'm very proud.

1487
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:08,079
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about these Bucks jerseys?

1488
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh all right, all right? That slaps?

1489
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: I like that, like gold to use Giannis attend to

1490
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,560
Coupo's number as the ad for interest in case that

1491
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,319
might have to strange season whatever.

1492
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,319
Speaker 2: Like there's a clean break in the middle of the jersey.

1493
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:28,439
That's not something we see a lot of. That's bold,

1494
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,319
that's a little dangerous. I like that. Yeah, I'll give

1495
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:33,039
this a B plus.

1496
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right. I like everything you said, and

1497
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,680
I like the font. It looks like I can't tell

1498
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,119
if that's the white or the cream. Either way, it

1499
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:44,960
still looks good. But they have, like I don't know,

1500
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:47,119
maybe I'm just nostalgic for like the green and the

1501
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:50,560
purple Bucks era, and I'd like to see them incorporate

1502
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,479
more of that. So this is a this is a

1503
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,399
D for me.

1504
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: But so that's the supposed to be the state of Wisconsin, right, yeah,

1505
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,159
all right, but if you look at it, like if

1506
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:04,239
you isolate the lower line, it kind of looks like

1507
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:07,239
a performance review from their head coaches, starting from Mike

1508
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:09,760
Food and the Holtzterch to the left and then Doc

1509
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,560
Rivers to the right.

1510
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, but even that is like so they have

1511
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,720
like a navy blue outline on it. If you want

1512
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,079
to illustrate just how your coaching progression is gone, why

1513
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:21,039
not throw some of that green or purple in there

1514
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:22,479
to make it pop a little bit more? Are you

1515
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,960
ashamed of your coaching trend at this point? What's going on?

1516
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,560
Speaker 2: Would have sainked them is the deer that they had

1517
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,680
in the mid nineties that was nice, like the green ones.

1518
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,920
I don't know, you remember that was the Ray Allen,

1519
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,039
then Robinson, same Cassell era.

1520
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure, I would have loved something like that.

1521
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not.

1522
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: I honestly don't love this. I do, like you said,

1523
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,279
I appreciate, you know, kind of outlining the state of Wisconsin.

1524
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:53,159
I definitely respect that, but I don't know. I would

1525
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:54,960
like to see more colors here. And I can even

1526
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,439
get on board with how small like the numbers and

1527
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,279
the lettering is just because it fits inside what they're

1528
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:03,800
trying to outline. But I would have liked to have

1529
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,199
seen like a different type of There's a lot in

1530
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,600
like the latter two thirds of the front that should

1531
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,399
be happening. That is just not Next team up is

1532
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,800
the Minnesota Timberwolves, which, yeah, I will say this pops

1533
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:18,680
in their paint like they're painted area on the court.

1534
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:23,600
Why didn't they extend this all the way down the jersey? Yeah?

1535
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,079
Why they only kept it up top is beyond me

1536
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,800
because I read a lot of the elements of it,

1537
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,119
and they also could have Why not incorporate it more?

1538
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:33,399
If you're gonna keep it so high on the front,

1539
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,760
why isn't it more like on the trim like the

1540
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:36,399
rib area.

1541
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that is literally the only downside, but it

1542
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,119
is a significant downside because I want more of whatever

1543
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:47,000
that is and it's like Minnesota small.

1544
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't even it's not even like a gradual stoppage,

1545
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,720
like I know you're going from the solid color to

1546
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,119
like cut of the transparent patterned checkered blue, but it

1547
01:12:57,279 --> 01:12:59,920
just looks like they stopped like halfway. Like this looks

1548
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,680
like a half baked finish. This is right, I think

1549
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,359
it's Is it an F? I really like the time? No?

1550
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: No, Like, what they're actually starting is pretty good. We

1551
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,800
can't call it an F just because they're starting good

1552
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,960
stuff early in the early how.

1553
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: Many quarters is a basketball game? Four? And you're rewarding

1554
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,000
a team for having a good first quarter net rating

1555
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,479
and then getting obliterated in the latter three periods. We

1556
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,840
did that with the Dallas Mavericks in two thousand and seven,

1557
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,199
a whole bunch when when Josh Howard was wrong, it.

1558
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:30,399
Speaker 2: Was along So I mean no, I mean, I'm just

1559
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,000
saying they've got something right, they've got something.

1560
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: That's not enough. It's a D. They got something and

1561
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,479
then they under they marginalized it.

1562
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:42,239
Speaker 2: This is like D plus.

1563
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: This is like, hey, I was saying, Anthony Edwards on

1564
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,840
the team standing in the corner taking only threes off kickouts,

1565
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,479
that's what this jersey is. What would you give that?

1566
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,039
How would you grade that usage of Anthony Edwards?

1567
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,319
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, that's basically his role right now

1568
01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:01,199
because no one else shooting, so right now.

1569
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not doing that.

1570
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: All right? Fair enough? But D D plus? Is there

1571
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:07,600
a D plus?

1572
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: There can be a DP plus. Actually I don't know

1573
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,600
if there's actually a deep plus, but we routine that

1574
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:13,800
you give out D pluses.

1575
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Okay, great, then I'm gonna go D plus. You.

1576
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be the one to ask because I obviously

1577
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,319
only got A pluses. So I just I'm not familiar

1578
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:23,039
with the other grades.

1579
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I I sense that you you have

1580
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:32,479
that vibe over you. Absolutely. The New Orleans Pelicans, look,

1581
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,600
that's clean and it leans into their like this skeleton

1582
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,960
thing they've had before. Yeah, I just I have a

1583
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:43,880
hard time hating that. Like I still think the Pelicans

1584
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:47,760
is a weird name for a professional basketball team, but

1585
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,880
the fact that they're going into like the city edition,

1586
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,439
it's New Orleans and all that, and it's you know,

1587
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:59,520
it's jazzy, it's festive, colorful. Yeah, I mean this is

1588
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,880
a solid plus, even though it's very simple. I will

1589
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,920
say this. The only reasons not an A is because

1590
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,920
of what we've said before, just it's too high and

1591
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,520
little too small, like fill it out, baby.

1592
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, fill it out, baby.

1593
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 2: I like that.

1594
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 1: Uh So. Also, I don't think we like to incorporate

1595
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,000
like the yellow gold with the purple and the I'm

1596
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:23,840
just saying lime green, Like that's really hard to do tastily.

1597
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:28,039
They've done that. What I find myself wishing is what

1598
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:29,319
do they call it the herringbone?

1599
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:30,079
Speaker 2: What?

1600
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Like it's not it needs to be clear that that's

1601
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,199
what's happening there, because it kind of just looks like

1602
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:39,840
random waves or lines even if you zoom in on it,

1603
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:41,960
and I like, could you have done a bit like

1604
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,119
if that was just a deeper shade of white or something,

1605
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,560
or a deeper shade of bone colored to make that

1606
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,479
like to understand what because in real time that's not

1607
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,680
something you're gonna notice. I'm gonna go, I'll go, b

1608
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,000
this has so much This is the potential to be

1609
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:57,000
so much better though.

1610
01:15:57,399 --> 01:15:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1611
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:02,520
Speaker 1: Next up we have your New York Knicks.

1612
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've seen some type of iteration of this before,

1613
01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:13,279
and as someone who wears glasses and can't see Jack

1614
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,760
when I remove them. I just get confused because I

1615
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,399
saw that and I was like, am I not wearing

1616
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:26,039
glasses right now? So that that messes me up. I

1617
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:30,680
can't like. But if people love it, fine. I love

1618
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,960
the fact that it stands on its own though, like

1619
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:37,840
the double New York right there. Yeah, and the NYC

1620
01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:38,960
is pretty cool.

1621
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Too with the Do you like it that? Like, there's

1622
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,800
the Nike, the Nike. I'm gonna call it Nike from

1623
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:44,279
Now and the Night.

1624
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's nice. It's a little unique, don't

1625
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:50,720
I don't like.

1626
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there's extra space on the front. I don't

1627
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,840
love the I call it echo lettering. I don't know

1628
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,239
what the actual just like you're you're designer, what's the

1629
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:00,399
actual terminolog for that?

1630
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,520
Speaker 2: I honestly can't remember, but he does have a name.

1631
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:04,720
You're absolutely right.

1632
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:08,159
Speaker 1: So, and I guess I do like the trims on

1633
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:10,680
the sides, where like you have the orange and the blue,

1634
01:17:11,239 --> 01:17:13,600
but these don't. It's it's just another Like you said,

1635
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,359
we've kind of seen some variation before, and this is

1636
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:18,960
a franchise that historically is not taking chances with their jerseys,

1637
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,560
So I want to see more chances of me, I'm

1638
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:21,960
going d.

1639
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going higher than that though, I'm

1640
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:32,920
going see why. I understand why you're skeptical of this one.

1641
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:36,119
I understand why you're not really into it. I do.

1642
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,239
Speaker 1: The idea of the blue over orange is fine, but

1643
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,319
and they're not. I'm actually reading the description now that

1644
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:43,640
we've seen it. I don't they call it a color

1645
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,960
flip of last seasons And that's like right there, that's

1646
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,840
a red flag or should we call it an orange flag?

1647
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,079
That's an orange flag for me. So I don't love it.

1648
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:56,640
And and just like you can't they try to make

1649
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,319
the pin stripes really subtle. Lean into the pinstripes baby,

1650
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:01,520
would you say flu into a baby?

1651
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, like if the Knicks wanted to lean into

1652
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:08,800
the city more as well, Like I know uper is

1653
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:14,760
taking over, but like for us overseas, we associate New

1654
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,880
York also with like the yellow caps, right, Like that's

1655
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,079
the thing. So if you really wanted to take a

1656
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,119
chance with a jersey, you could make it yellow in

1657
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:25,239
some reason respects.

1658
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: I think if you wanted to take a chance more,

1659
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,960
you could do literally anything else. Probably, yeah, be the

1660
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:34,520
other way to put it not a fan of that one.

1661
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,359
Golden State Warriors on No, wait, Okohome City Thunder. Sorry, that's.

1662
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,079
Speaker 2: I know what you did there. Yes, I agree. I

1663
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:47,439
agree with your point. You basically just made one. That's

1664
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,479
that's that's just a lot going on, no personality, very

1665
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,920
just simplistic, I know. But in fairness, I've hated the

1666
01:18:56,039 --> 01:19:00,560
Oklahoma City brand since it developed it. I hate it.

1667
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,880
They need a whole new, fresh redesign. I'm never down

1668
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,800
with anything they kind of remote visually. I don't like

1669
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:13,159
any of their jerseys. I'm not with this either. Sorry.

1670
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: I actually don't actually mind like kind of the dark

1671
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,880
base with all these lighter colors all over the place.

1672
01:19:20,079 --> 01:19:21,840
I don't because it feels like we've seen it before

1673
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,800
and they they were calling this it's a two year

1674
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:27,439
arc like story arc on the jersey. It's kind of

1675
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,399
like you mentioned, did you forget that like these were

1676
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,119
do or something, so you decide to go the round.

1677
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,680
I do like sort of the you have that deep

1678
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,880
navy blue whatever like dark blue on the sides with

1679
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:40,640
I like the yellow and orange trim, and then you

1680
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,479
have the light blue incorporated there. I don't actually mind these,

1681
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,159
but it's just not different enough, and I would be

1682
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:52,359
more like, you're okay, your name is the Thunder. There's

1683
01:19:52,399 --> 01:19:54,479
just so much that you could do here, like if

1684
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,600
you like use a lightning bolt somewhere. The numbers probably

1685
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,960
the size is okay, but like, why not go okay,

1686
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:04,039
see again and just make it bigger. I'm just gonna

1687
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,119
go see they didn't miss, but they certainly didn't hit

1688
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,640
ce minus for me, we were close on that one. Then.

1689
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,720
I don't know what the hell is going on here.

1690
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: So this has to be the Mass and Magic playing

1691
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,119
together on a black and white television at this point.

1692
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,239
Speaker 1: Look, I like the star as the A, like the

1693
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:26,199
stand in A. The font is pretty cool, there's like

1694
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:31,119
a jaggedness to it. Ah, I don't love the I

1695
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:33,920
guess I'm also kind of just like from the original Magic,

1696
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,439
where it's like it's a lighter blue and like with

1697
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,079
the pinstripes there, I'm always going to appreciate that one more.

1698
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: This is just this is a miss, right, I would

1699
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,840
say so. I was always told by one of my

1700
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,359
teachers back then that you only go black and white

1701
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:55,359
if you have a real message, otherwise it's just lazy.

1702
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,960
I feel as though this goes into that camp.

1703
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you give this?

1704
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:06,399
Speaker 2: I think you had to give it an F, not

1705
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,640
an F minus. We can't justify that, but an F.

1706
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: I'll go D plus because I do like the star

1707
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:12,359
as the stand Oh.

1708
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: Okay, fair but like the the stary, that star carries

1709
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:18,680
a lot of water here, all right, fair enough?

1710
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,399
Speaker 1: Even the pin strips kind of look like a chain

1711
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:26,039
link fence more than this point, Like, yeah, wait, I

1712
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:27,720
want to look at I'm looking at the release of this.

1713
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,600
I've been doing that after we deliver the grades or

1714
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,640
initial impressions of them. They had the shortest release by far.

1715
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,880
I don't think they even believed in this Jersey. That's

1716
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,760
my I don't think that's a hot take, but that's

1717
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,000
dropping facts here. Speaking of nineteen seventies adult films, we

1718
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:46,239
have the Philadelphia seventy six ers Jersey. Yeah, I mean

1719
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,760
no that I'm not getting seventies adult film the sixties aet.

1720
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,800
It just reminds me of the Memphis a little bit. Yeah.

1721
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, for me, the first thought I get there is.

1722
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,159
Speaker 1: Doctor j That's what I think, which does which does

1723
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:01,560
accomplish its purpose? Then?

1724
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 2: Exactly? So, like I can't I don't think it's a

1725
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,960
good looking jersey, but it does achieve what it wants

1726
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:12,920
to do. It wants to achieve something that's potentially not

1727
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:16,600
all that inspiring. Fair enough, But I do think doctor

1728
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,199
j I think Moses Malone, I think those type of names.

1729
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,800
So I think B minus is probably the lowest I

1730
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,079
can go here, even though I'd never buy one of

1731
01:22:26,119 --> 01:22:29,119
the Oh I'll never buy any of these jerseys, but

1732
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:31,760
I definitely wouldn't buy this.

1733
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: That we should have grade them on a scale of

1734
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,000
would cop to not cop would have been but these.

1735
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 2: I would have been flawed. I have said not cop.

1736
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,079
I'm soon to be a forty year old man. I'm

1737
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:42,560
not buying jerseys anymore. Man.

1738
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll go be minus as well too.

1739
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:48,000
I wish the number could be a little bit bigger.

1740
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,159
As a familiar criticism here, I do like the squares,

1741
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,680
the four different color squares that are going down like

1742
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,239
pattern pepper down the the rib side of it. They

1743
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:02,920
did the stripe around like the neckline and the arm,

1744
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:06,359
the sleeves. They did those nicely, so it's it's tastefully

1745
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,920
clean without being too bland. So I'll go with I'll

1746
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,840
go with a bee.

1747
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:16,079
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, cool, yeah, and now we move on to

1748
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:20,760
the Phoenix Suns or the ninety ninety six NBA All

1749
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:21,800
Star Game jerseys.

1750
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that is what I do. Like the number

1751
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:31,199
overlaid on the orange star. I think that came out nice,

1752
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:33,960
but I would rather see it it can be off center.

1753
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:37,119
I'd rather see it way bigger. I don't mind the

1754
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,479
like I call it a gothic font. That's probably maybe

1755
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,399
not what it actually is.

1756
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is. But I also think

1757
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,800
I made a mistake in sineteen ninety four All Star Game, right, I.

1758
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: Mean the fact that you just had that. No, it's

1759
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,399
nineteen ninety five, because now I just opened the press

1760
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:52,000
release from it.

1761
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: Damn it. You're close though, Damn it's I'm getting old, man,

1762
01:23:58,279 --> 01:23:58,800
I don't remember.

1763
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,079
Speaker 1: What do you call this font? Though? It's the West,

1764
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:06,159
It's like, so it's the it's the Western font. I

1765
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:08,159
thought it was gothic baby could have been.

1766
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 2: No, No, definitely not. I think the the the it's

1767
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,880
kind of missing the flow valley.

1768
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, make it just valley and then stretch it wider.

1769
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,239
And then let's make that number with the star underlay.

1770
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 2: That popla a little bit more c plus.

1771
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: So I'm maybe I'm waiting it too much because I

1772
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,039
love the trim on the sides. You see that that

1773
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:35,760
came out really nicely with the purple and orange. I'll go, Oh,

1774
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,119
you want C plus, I'll go be minus. Nah, I'll

1775
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,319
go see plus as well. The font is and the

1776
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:43,520
placement stuff on the front. Probably been talking into lower

1777
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:43,760
than that.

1778
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: That is definitely the nineteen ninety five NBA All Star

1779
01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:50,279
Game jersey. I mean that, that's just what it is, really,

1780
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,640
Rip City baby, Oh, that's a practice jersey. They're reducing

1781
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:59,439
for a game. Fantastic. That's awesome. That's a good way

1782
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,960
to actually save internally, just that they're paying all that

1783
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:07,600
money for DeAndre Ayden and yeah, they're trying to save money.

1784
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,079
This is great. Why not you should practice gear for

1785
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:11,640
the for actual games. Love it?

1786
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you. I would like this way more. So,

1787
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,279
I'm wondering if you can see this so you see

1788
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,720
like the hints of the white, it's like almost it

1789
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,760
looks like a plaid set up or a checkerboard kind of. Yes,

1790
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,760
if that was more pronounced to make it clear that's

1791
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,920
what was happening. Again, this isn't something that you notice

1792
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,880
in real time number needs to be bigger. I don't

1793
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,479
mind the Rip City font. I kind of like that

1794
01:25:34,039 --> 01:25:35,159
bubbly and I would call.

1795
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 2: It, yeah, bubb I don't know where I land on this.

1796
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,399
This is tough to grade. I mean, do I go,

1797
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,000
do I go D? I think I go D.

1798
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I'll go see. I think it's just average. Yeah, honestly,

1799
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,199
I really think if the like the white that's pop,

1800
01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:55,760
if that was just more prominent on the front, that

1801
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,520
would make this jersey really tie together more. We move

1802
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,880
on to the Sacramento Kings. The Cincinnati Royals is what

1803
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,159
we should say. This is the D.

1804
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,079
Speaker 2: This looks like a college jersey. Let's just be real

1805
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:13,279
about it. And sometimes that can work, sometimes it may not.

1806
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,439
I'm not sure where A fall on this.

1807
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,359
Speaker 1: This looks like the New York Mets tried to go sleeveless.

1808
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,079
Is the vibe I'm sort of getting from this like

1809
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:28,680
baseball that or well, actually, maybe this would be the

1810
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,319
intention too of just like semi pro. I keep thinking

1811
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:33,279
of the Will Ferrell movies, like this is something we

1812
01:26:33,319 --> 01:26:34,279
would see in semi pro.

1813
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 2: That You're right, that's a D.

1814
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 1: It's just like it's not bad, like it's it's well

1815
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,760
there could be I wanted to do this, there could

1816
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,479
have been like more of a great I will give

1817
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,479
them credit. Kings is big enough, I would say, right, yep,

1818
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,960
but you could have done more of a gradient on

1819
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:55,039
the front. I don't you know. What really throws it

1820
01:26:55,119 --> 01:26:57,800
off from me is I hate the white. Like if

1821
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,800
it was just solid orange on the that would make

1822
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:01,760
this look so much better.

1823
01:27:02,199 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too noisy.

1824
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: It's noisy without being chaotic, which is alright.

1825
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1826
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,039
Speaker 1: Next up the San Antonio Spurs, who between them and

1827
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,279
even the nets might be in there. They've had a

1828
01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:18,239
run of some pretty good city edition jersey, so the

1829
01:27:18,279 --> 01:27:20,760
standard here should be pretty high. How are you feeling, Yeah.

1830
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,079
Speaker 2: Well, they ran something similar last year. I was not

1831
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:28,840
with those. I do not like those there. I don't

1832
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,600
know what it is about them. It just they feel

1833
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:37,600
a little bit cartoonish with the very heavy orange background

1834
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,720
on the on the letters, and I don't know what

1835
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,720
it is. There's just there's something there that doesn't work

1836
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:45,000
for me.

1837
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: I come close to loving it because I do agree

1838
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,039
with you that it feels like they took those white

1839
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:52,479
jerseys from last year and just made them like this.

1840
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:56,600
The Spurs, they call it like Fiesta blue or green

1841
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,600
or whatever it is. But I love that it does

1842
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,399
seem like there's different shades to it. I actually love

1843
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,760
the way the number in San Antonio could be bigger,

1844
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,760
but I love the just the juxtaposition between, like the

1845
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,439
two different colors there. I thought they it looks like

1846
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,039
they did the outline, like the neckline and the you know,

1847
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:17,479
the sleeves of the jersey fairly. Well, I'll go be here,

1848
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:22,720
but there much more potential. Yeah, I'm at a C

1849
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,279
and it is the potential specifically where I'm just it

1850
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:29,680
doesn't feel very santonio e in a way.

1851
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: I say, having never been there, so maybe I should

1852
01:28:33,079 --> 01:28:36,560
just shut the hell up. But it's I don't know

1853
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,920
what it is. Maybe the locals are far more responsive

1854
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,319
to this, but what we saw from last year at least,

1855
01:28:44,359 --> 01:28:47,880
and you're right, there is a change. I remember my

1856
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:50,399
reaction every time I turned on a Spurs game and

1857
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,079
they were wearing this. I was like, damn it, because

1858
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:54,600
now I have to look at those again.

1859
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,239
Speaker 1: I do like the actual Spurs, like Estair jerseys are

1860
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:03,119
some of my favorites, so I do love that, But yeah,

1861
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:05,279
I wonder I also wonder how much I'm just thrown

1862
01:29:05,279 --> 01:29:06,960
off where it feels so similar to last year, even

1863
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,239
though the jersey is like completely like the colors are

1864
01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:11,520
at least inverted if you want to throw it that way.

1865
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,319
We're nearing the end, mord Are are you getting nostalgic

1866
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:17,760
for this exercise? Yet? We're onto the Toronto Raptors, who

1867
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,399
I don't want to speak for you, but I think

1868
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:21,760
they hit pretty hard.

1869
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Of course they did. Look that. The uniforms are always

1870
01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:29,359
nicer when they take some creative license from the past

1871
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,640
and they just splash something on. This is a tribute

1872
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:38,079
to Vince, is a tribute to the Rapture local logo itself,

1873
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:41,039
Like remember the when they switched things up in nineteen

1874
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:43,600
ninety nine two thousand, when they went away from the

1875
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,479
Rapture and things started becoming a little bit more streamlined,

1876
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,119
like this was Vin's second year. Like you could kind

1877
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:53,199
of roll with that jersey for a while, but you

1878
01:29:53,279 --> 01:29:56,319
were kind of missing the Raptor, Like the presence of

1879
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:59,560
the Rapture was always sort of like where's he gone?

1880
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,159
Like this this slaps This is an A.

1881
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if yeah, this is an A. I wonder

1882
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,520
if they could could they have gotten any traction of

1883
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,960
if they just used maybe some of the purple and

1884
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,760
the red at the bottom and maybe even the gold

1885
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:14,479
of let's just make it like could they have put

1886
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,560
some like Cretaceous period environment, just things thrown in there like.

1887
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,079
Speaker 2: This rock now we're going back to the nineties? Love it?

1888
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,520
Speaker 1: That would have made this an a plus. And this

1889
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,479
is one of the few instances where I'm just okay

1890
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,800
because of the way the number is placed by the Raptor.

1891
01:30:32,319 --> 01:30:34,159
I'm okay with it being small. Even if you could

1892
01:30:34,199 --> 01:30:35,880
have made both bigger, and I would have loved it more,

1893
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:38,600
you know what would have.

1894
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 2: Been extra dope?

1895
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Though?

1896
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 2: If those city edition jerseys, so, how how often are

1897
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,840
they going to be used over the course of this season?

1898
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,319
Like a couple times, right at least?

1899
01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's more than a few.

1900
01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if imagine if it was only one game

1901
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,840
and each team had to like reveal his jersey a

1902
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,359
little bit ahead of time but not necessar early at

1903
01:31:00,399 --> 01:31:03,079
the same time, and it was only one game, then

1904
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:05,520
I want ever to play the Raptress to be like

1905
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:12,399
the meteor, just like psyching it out. Could be the

1906
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,479
suns where the son You'll remember the nineties sun mark, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1907
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:17,399
yeah Medior.

1908
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: Instead, Houston Rockets could have definitely done something with a comedy.

1909
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go, Like I need some rivalry in

1910
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:25,840
the Jersey department.

1911
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: They should. You should be allowed ones that you don't

1912
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,000
unveil until tip off, like at least one game per

1913
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:34,359
year and then like internally you get to pick the game.

1914
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,119
I know, whatever worked that way, But that'd be fun

1915
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:36,439
as hell.

1916
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Where the Rapture, Like imagine the Raptors were playing the

1917
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,840
Bulls and they just had the Bulls, had the bullhead

1918
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:44,720
there in between its class.

1919
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh they put like the Raptors have one where

1920
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:50,600
it's just their team munching on the other team's logo.

1921
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:54,319
Would be great. Yeah, that would be right sat the

1922
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:55,760
Utah Jazz moret.

1923
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 2: So I gained some appreciation here. I was in Utah

1924
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:03,840
twenty twenty two and I drove in from the airport

1925
01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:07,039
to the hotel and saw like the mountains and whatnot,

1926
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:12,199
and it was gorgeous. I never would have imagined you'd

1927
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,920
have to be that gorgeous. Never would have imagined. So

1928
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:19,000
I have some some newfound respect for that jersey and

1929
01:32:19,079 --> 01:32:22,960
for the mountains there. I run with it. C plus

1930
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:26,319
at least if not be minus not where you know

1931
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,960
it's that high, because again I feel as though that

1932
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,159
the top it eats something, there's a little bit too barren.

1933
01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:35,439
But I still run with it minus.

1934
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,279
Speaker 1: I wish that the scenery stretched down more, maybe the

1935
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:42,239
number was bigger. I want to love this because I

1936
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:45,239
love so many different variations of this. I don't love

1937
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:47,159
the font. Actually, I would like that to be like

1938
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:49,880
a little bit more anarchic, where it's just like this

1939
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,800
seems like a like what is it trying to be?

1940
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,079
Is it like a Midwestern Gothic? I don't know what

1941
01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:55,760
it's trying to be. And then the numbers is plane

1942
01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:58,520
love the jersey outline, the neckline there they did a

1943
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,640
good job with but it's just like we've seen too

1944
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,239
many variations of this before and this doesn't differentiate itself enough.

1945
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,079
I'm still gonna go be because I love it, but

1946
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:09,720
that kind of just shows how much room there is

1947
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,960
for them to do better with this. Get louder Utah

1948
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:18,079
next year, finally more they are your or they Jordan

1949
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:21,479
their blaw Kolibal He's Washington Wizards, but I don't think

1950
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:22,720
he wants to put his name on this.

1951
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,279
Speaker 2: So what's the point of putting the district and then

1952
01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:31,600
I assume it says of Columbia underneath When you can't

1953
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,279
see what it says.

1954
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 1: You can't really read the the I guess it pops

1955
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:40,520
a little bit, but right, It's also it is embarrassed.

1956
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,479
This jersey feels like it's embarrassed to be itself because

1957
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,159
of how small even the district of that tiny that

1958
01:33:47,319 --> 01:33:50,960
It's like, are you embarrassed to be the Wizards? Is

1959
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,159
that what this is? It's first of all your fun

1960
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:56,079
as hell this year for the most part, just why

1961
01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:58,920
why is everything not bigger? The cop out with the

1962
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,560
stars on the this is just like, man, you could

1963
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:03,880
have done so much more with this.

1964
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 2: I it feels like it knows democracy died a couple

1965
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,640
of weeks ago and.

1966
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,399
Speaker 1: It was projecting. Yeah, so I will say it does

1967
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,239
look like I'm seeing now, so you can see I'm

1968
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:19,800
pointing at the screen like people can see on the

1969
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,279
on the sleeve line. You see there's like a white

1970
01:34:22,319 --> 01:34:26,600
splatter in the blue. That is cool. That is the

1971
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,920
only thing I like about this jersey. I think I'm

1972
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:35,199
trying to read their justification. Inspired by hydrogen blue, this

1973
01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:37,640
jersey reflects the flow and energy that have shaped Washington,

1974
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,520
DC from its early boundaries to a city without limits.

1975
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:44,039
Yeah that makes sense. Really if this is reflective of that,

1976
01:34:44,319 --> 01:34:47,359
I guess the wave like ripples woven into the design.

1977
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,319
What wave like ripples? I guess they're talking about, like

1978
01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:55,000
if that's the Okay, sure, the neckline, the sleeve line, great,

1979
01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:58,159
but uh no, No.

1980
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:01,399
Speaker 2: We're ending on a sour note here. The Wizards just

1981
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:02,439
messed this whole.

1982
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Thing up, and they look they close with It's a

1983
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,159
celebration of Washington's boundless potential and the Wizards's role in

1984
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:11,640
its bright future. If this is emblematic of Washington's outlook,

1985
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,840
Wizards fans should be distraught. This is a terrible jersey.

1986
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Is this?

1987
01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:19,359
Speaker 1: I think we've done it. This might be my f minus.

1988
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is the one we don't want,

1989
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,760
the report card we don't want to bring back home

1990
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:24,119
to mom.

1991
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. More, this was a lot of fun. It was.

1992
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:30,800
I hope you had fun. I hope our listeners.

1993
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 2: I was hoping to use this as a podcast, but

1994
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,960
I'm realizing just the visual element of this makes it

1995
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:39,520
absolutely impossible to do. So.

1996
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I think you could throw it up there at the

1997
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,279
end of one of your other podcasts if you want.

1998
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 2: That's true?

1999
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,079
Speaker 1: Do you just want to tell our listeners they can

2000
01:35:48,119 --> 01:35:49,760
find you in all the great work that you do,

2001
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,399
which does apparent Now you can add critiques NBA jerseys

2002
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:54,199
from time.

2003
01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Right right, See that might be my crowning achievement. So yeah,

2004
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,439
you can find me over at Yahoo Sports, over at

2005
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,399
Sports Illustrated, Slash Draft Digest, where I mostly look at rookies.

2006
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,880
I'm forgetting Forbes of course, see all the places. Yes,

2007
01:36:10,359 --> 01:36:12,800
I also cover the weague over at Forbes. I have

2008
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:17,439
the NBA podcast that I am running on what season ten? Now,

2009
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,079
jesus season one?

2010
01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: I think you have must be because I started this

2011
01:36:22,079 --> 01:36:26,479
in twenty fifteen. Yeah, so this might be twenty fifteen sixteen.

2012
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,079
I might be on season ten too. We start the

2013
01:36:28,119 --> 01:36:29,039
same year. That's bizarre.

2014
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,560
Speaker 2: I started in sixteen though, but we we split them

2015
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,479
in every every single July July first, we split them

2016
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:37,359
into new season.

2017
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:39,199
Speaker 1: Oh, we don't do that.

2018
01:36:40,039 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 2: Running eleven.

2019
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: We've been up and running since twenty fifteen. I don't

2020
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,720
know how many We've spanned thousands, over fifteen hundred or

2021
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,279
run episode almost twelve hundred at this point because we

2022
01:36:49,399 --> 01:36:50,760
used We used to go once a week.

2023
01:36:51,239 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 2: We uped it. But that's that's a young man's game.

2024
01:36:55,079 --> 01:36:57,359
Young men's game. I can't I can't match those numbers.

2025
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,479
But yeah, and you can find me on Bluesy like

2026
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,119
I guess you could find him on Twitter. I'm not

2027
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:05,680
really active there for obvious reasons anymore. Uh, blue Sky

2028
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,840
at m SJ NBA, and then I think it's dot

2029
01:37:09,039 --> 01:37:11,119
blop b sky dot social.

2030
01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:14,399
Speaker 1: We just go to blue Sky and search MSJ or

2031
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:14,800
my name.

2032
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,520
Speaker 2: We'll we'll find this was great.

2033
01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:20,239
Speaker 1: More rest assured, I'll be pestering you again in the future.

2034
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,600
Until next time. I leave everyone with a shout out

2035
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:26,960
to the one, the only, the indelible wouldn't stand for

2036
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:30,439
this final jersey that we just saw, Frank Nilik