WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.919 It's Night's eyes Dan Ray. I'm going Mazy Boston's news Radio. 2 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.160 Good evening everybody, and welcome on in. My name is 3 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.039 Dan Ray. Thank you very much, Madison. As we work 4 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:18.640 our way all the way until midnight. Rob Brooks back 5 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:21.440 two nights in a row for Rob here right, it 6 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:23.679 was this is your third night back. What am I 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.879 talking about? Third night back? You're back in the swing 8 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.480 of things at this point. Rob is all set. I 9 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:32.200 am off tomorrow night, so feel free to call in tonight. 10 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.320 Morgan White will be here tomorrow night, but we'll get 11 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.840 you more information on that a little bit later. My 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.479 name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nights I 13 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:41.799 with Dan Ray and delighted to be here. Is always 14 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.719 normally here every Monday through Friday night. I think I 15 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.600 had a streak right now about sixty nine. This is 16 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:52.920 my first night off Tomorrow night, personal matter. Just taking 17 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.799 a Friday evening off to spend some time with some friends, 18 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:59.719 and I've had sixty I think I've worked every day 19 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:03.759 since early February, every weekday. So I think Rob, with 20 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.959 your blessing and your benediction, I will he gave me 21 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.480 the I deserve it. Okay, Rob I appreciate that we 22 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.000 have a great show lined up tonight. A couple of 23 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.640 interesting and different guests. Going to be talking with the 24 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:21.280 owner and founder of Cityscapes, which is a wonderful, wonderful 25 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:26.439 business in Boston, Jan Goodman. She really is an amazing individual. 26 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.519 I call her the Queen of Plants. We'll explain that. 27 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:32.879 And we're also going to talk with a gentleman by 28 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:37.480 the name of Kevin Sorilli. He is a futurist. His 29 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:44.280 he will stun us, I think with conversation and ideas 30 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.959 about what we are all going to interact with in 31 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.200 the future. So enough said about our nine o'clock and 32 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.920 ten o'clock hour. Let us get now to our eight 33 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:58.480 o'clock hour. We have four guests, interesting topics, different topics. 34 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.480 Going to start off with Aaron Solomon, who's the president 35 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.000 and founder of First Help, and nonprofit that honors police 36 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.680 service of first responders who die by suicide and support 37 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:14.120 their families. This is National Police Week and we want 38 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.719 to raise awareness about why more police officers die by 39 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.560 suicide than in the line of duty. This is a 40 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.240 frightening statistic. Karen Solomon, thank you for being with us tonight. 41 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.599 But let's talk about it, and let's find out what 42 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:28.039 we might be able to do about it to make 43 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.680 people more aware that more officers take their own life 44 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.919 than lose their lives in the line of duty. 45 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.080 Great, thank you so much for helping me. I love 46 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.479 this topic because I love raising awareness about it, and 47 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.240 the more people that talk about it, some more that 48 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.319 understanding there is. 49 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:48.719 So Look, I have police officers in my family, a 50 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.080 brother who is a state police lieutenant, a sister in 51 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:55.240 law who's a former state police trooper. I am well 52 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.879 aware of the pressures that these folks feel, not only 53 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.039 in terms of what they do in the line of duty, 54 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:08.280 but how it impacts their family life. What you know 55 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.360 more about it, probably than I do from the from 56 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:15.800 a broader perspective. Tell us what you have seen in 57 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.840 your capacity. 58 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:19.159 Absolutely so. 59 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.719 As you said, more officers died by suicide than in 60 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.479 the line of duty. And typically, you know, we talk 61 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.080 about police officers who are killed in the line of duty. 62 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.719 If you look at the statistics, sixty percent of them 63 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.120 are feloniously killed, meaning they're killed are assaulted by another person. 64 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.560 The other forty percent are things like heart attack, he stroke, 65 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.960 COVID COVID. You know, COVID is the number one cause 66 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.080 of law enforcement deaths is twenty fifteen. Second to that 67 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.719 is job related illness, and third is being shot by 68 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.919 someone another suspect. You have accidental shootings, you have drownings, 69 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.080 you have falls. There's all kinds of things that are 70 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.560 categorized as a line of duty death. So you don't 71 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.479 have to be killed by another person. You just if 72 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.719 you die on duty and it's you know, you're performing 73 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.280 your job, that's a line of duty deaths. Now you 74 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.479 can go to your work waiting police station and your uniform, 75 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.080 sit in patrol car on duty, and take your life 76 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.960 in your car, and that is not a line of 77 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.680 duty deaths, you know, And typically we don't see that 78 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.040 very often. We do see it, and those officers are 79 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.360 currently making a statement if they're doing it at the 80 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:22.720 station or in their patrol car, but most times it 81 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.000 happens at home. And with even worse about this is 82 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.399 most of those families either witness the death or find 83 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.240 as a body, so they're traumatized by the suicide. They're 84 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:33.759 traumatized by the job, they're traumatized by the death, and 85 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.879 then they're further traumatized by the treatment afterwards. So you 86 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.959 have stress of being a law enforcement officer, the regular stress, 87 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.920 the stigma that the culture has put upon them of 88 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.639 not being able to get help, or if they get help, 89 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.120 they're seen as weak. So there is just such a 90 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.519 complicated issue. So you have all of that, and then 91 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.480 after the death, families are treated poorly. There is very 92 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.519 little support nationwide when we started this in twenty sixteen. 93 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.639 Now that supports has grown, but it's not where it 94 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.000 needs to be. There's still not enough support for the 95 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.199 family's afterwards. There's not enough support for the officers while 96 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.160 they're on the job, and there's certainly not enough qualified 97 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.639 mental health professionals to help them make their way through 98 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:16.839 these careers wholes. 99 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.399 So how can people help your organization? Your organization is 100 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:25.000 first help spelled capital H, capital E, capital L, and 101 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:30.519 capital P with a period after each of those capital letters. 102 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.800 Helps is an acronym for honor, educate, lead, and prevent, 103 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.600 because we honor the officers who gob by suicide, We 104 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.399 educate people about the topic. We lead the country as 105 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.920 we are the only organization in the country that collect 106 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.319 law enforcement suicide data. In twenty twenty two, the FBI 107 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.600 started collecting it, but they haven't collected quite as many 108 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.279 as we do. We have a rolling number that you 109 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:54.639 can see on our website, and then the P is 110 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.040 for prevent because we try to prevent law enforcement suicides obviously, 111 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:01.120 so people can help by going to our website one 112 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.920 st ht LP dot org and learning about what we do. 113 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.319 People can help by reporting first responder suicides to us 114 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.199 so that we can support the families. Obviously, as a nonprofit, 115 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.680 we you know, obviously take your nations, but our main 116 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.759 thing is to get people aware of the issue, to 117 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.759 make them understand and to have idea as a whole 118 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:26.519 be better about mental health and the knowledge of mental 119 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.519 health and what it means to have mental health issues 120 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.120 or to be depressed, or to have push traumatic stress 121 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.360 and to take your life, because once we as a 122 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.279 mainstream culture start handling it better, then it's going to 123 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.360 roll into all of these other subcultures, such as the 124 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:42.560 first responder profession. 125 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.480 Has anyone or any organization ever done a study, and again, 126 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.480 this is one of those questions that's just popping in 127 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.519 my mind, So anyone ever done a study as to 128 00:06:52.800 --> 00:07:00.240 what occupation has the highest percentage of deaths, vice sor 129 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.560 I mean, I'm sure that there are people who commit 130 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:08.279 suicide in lots of uh, you know, occupations, vocations, professions, 131 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.360 whatever you want to call them. But I have to 132 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:15.399 think that probably the percentage of people who are police 133 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.920 officers who commit suicide has to be right up there 134 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.639 if any such studies ever even been attempted. 135 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.360 Oh, there's been plenty of studies, and surprisingly law enforcement 136 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.839 is not at the top. First responders is not at 137 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.920 the top. But what but first responder profession and law 138 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.959 enforcement profession do have They are they have more from 139 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.759 post traumatic stress, more oppression, They are two to four 140 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.879 times more likely to have all of that. So it's 141 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:43.759 definitely you know, it's their their actual trauma is higher 142 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.399 than other professions. 143 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.439 Okay, well, well that explains that you gave the website. 144 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.399 I want to just slowly one st like the number 145 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.680 of if you write as opposed to first it's right 146 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.600 what s T and then the word help all one 147 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:04.600 where it's so it's the numeral one s P H 148 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.720 E l P dot org uh, and that is the 149 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.800 that is the website that if you happen to be 150 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.560 a police officer of police officer family, you certainly should 151 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.879 be aware of the group and the organization if you're 152 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.920 someone who would like to contribute. Now, it's funny and 153 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:25.439 I'm gonna mention this because it's something that bothers me. 154 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.600 All of us get these phone calls from these groups 155 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:34.399 that claim to raise money for police agencies and organizations, 156 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:38.000 and you get the slick talking guy on the phone, Hey, good, good, 157 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:43.480 how are you calling from the Police Officers Assistants organization? 158 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.879 And we're hoping that you'll send some money. And I 159 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.720 always asked them, I said, well, what are the administrative 160 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.240 cost your agencies and all of these that are doing 161 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:53.879 this telephone solicitation? You're not one of the groups that 162 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:55.240 does the telephone solicitation. 163 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.480 I'm sure, well are not? 164 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.720 And it's called question? 165 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:08.039 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, we word of mouth, We have fundraisers. 166 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.600 Most of our funds come from individual donors and believe 167 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:14.320 in not many of the families. But also we only 168 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.440 have one full time and whilst you have a part 169 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.320 time employee. So so we're an all volunteer organization. We've 170 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:21.480 done this as a volunteers. 171 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:25.320 Some of these weeps, what's your administrative costs? Well, our 172 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.000 administrative costs or ninety seven point three percent oh, so 173 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.960 that means two point seven percent actually goes right right 174 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.279 right truth bizarre. They'll say, well, well, I don't understand 175 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.960 the question. What do you mean by administrative costs? At 176 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:39.600 that point, I know they know what the question is. 177 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.600 The answers they just don't want to answer. 178 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.200 Look, I really do Can I just tell you what 179 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.080 we do? I'll just quickly say we. 180 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.200 Got to do it quickly because I'm running up to time. 181 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:49.639 Here, go ahead. Yep. 182 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.159 College scholarships for the kids of the officers who done 183 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.919 by suicide. They don't get that anywhere else. We do retreats, 184 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.519 we do care packages, we do all kinds of stuff, 185 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.799 so our money is going right back to those families. 186 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.639 Okay, that's great, that's great. Look, thank you for what 187 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.039 you do on behalf of a lot of people in 188 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.919 my audience who are police families who listen. Thank you 189 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.080 what you do, and keep up, keep up your great work. 190 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.919 Karen Solomon, President, co founder of First Help and again, 191 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:18.720 that website is the numeral one st so it's like 192 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:23.000 first and then H E L P. All those that 193 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.279 letter that the number and the letters all you have 194 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.399 together dot org. Thanks very much, Karen, appreciate it. 195 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:29.919 Thank you have a great night. 196 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.600 Okay, you do. We get back. We're going to talk 197 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.440 with an associate professor of kinesiology mechanical engineering at Penn 198 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:43.120 State University. We're talking about when you jog with a stroller. 199 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.080 It's great because you're getting some exercise and you're getting 200 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.279 some fresh air, but you might be doing some harm 201 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.639 to your body. We'll be talking with Alison Singles right 202 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.440 after the break here on Nightside. 203 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:57.600 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 204 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:58.279 news radio. 205 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.480 Well, all of us have done this if you have kids, 206 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.399 and all of us probably have seen others doing it. 207 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.440 And what am I talking about? I'm talking about running 208 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.639 with a jogging stroller, getting yourself a little exercise, and 209 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:16.759 getting your young child who's able to buckle in the stroller, 210 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:19.720 the fun of kind of zooming along with mom or 211 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.679 dad both. But but but, bod, maybe there's some damage 212 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.679 we're doing to our bodies while we think we're getting 213 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.679 ourselves in better shape. Joining us is Alison Singles. She's 214 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.840 a PhD and Associate professor of Kinney's Kinesiology and Mechanical 215 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:38.080 Engineering at Penn State. Go Nitley lions Hi Alison or 216 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.519 professor singles, how are you tonight? 217 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.679 I'm good, Hi Dan, I'm doing great. 218 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.120 I'm doing great. I did this with my kids a 219 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.159 long time ago. Put them in the stroller, get out 220 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:55.200 to get a little exercise. But oftentimes we're not running 221 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.759 straight up. So I think I understand where you're going 222 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.000 with this, but I want people to pay attention because 223 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.200 the last thing we want to do is while exercising 224 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.799 inadvertently injure ourselves. Tell us about it. 225 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.360 Yeah, So we've been doing some research on how the 226 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.840 runner behaves differently when they're pushing a stroller. There's a 227 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.399 lot of work out there about the kid and the 228 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.159 stroller and making the ride safe, and nobody really thinks 229 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.639 about the person pushing it. So we did some research 230 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:30.080 to see what was happening, and we've seen that runners 231 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.320 tend to lean a little more forward when they're pushing 232 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.840 a stroller. Like you mentioned, they tend to kind of 233 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.039 hit the ground a little less hard, which might actually 234 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.759 be protective of injury, but they have to spend a 235 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.360 lot more effort into controlling the stroller and that kind 236 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:51.759 of puts some extra twisting forces underneath their foot, which 237 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:57.200 might lead to increased risk. Of overuse injury, especially bone injuries. 238 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:02.159 So I'm assuming that I'm a baby boomer, and I 239 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.559 don't think the baby boomer generation that many of us 240 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.759 were pushed in strollers by our World War two, you know, 241 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.519 vintage parents from the greatest generation. This is something that 242 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:19.159 probably has come into vogue. I suspect after the nineteen 243 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.000 seventies when the jogging craze kind of swept the country. 244 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.879 So how much information do we have over time or 245 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:31.960 have I underestimated that when people started pushing, pushing the 246 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.639 little ones in strollers, I. 247 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.559 Think you are. You kind of hit the nail on 248 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.080 the head there. So running strollers, I don't know much 249 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.879 about regular strollers. I think that they've been around a 250 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.840 bit longer. But running strollers kind of came into popularity 251 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.639 in the eighties and nineties, but they weren't very commonly 252 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.639 used until much much more recently. You know, now it 253 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.639 seems like you see everybody's got a jogging stroller, But 254 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.120 I don't think that technology was really there, you know, 255 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.320 more than ten years ago for it to be a 256 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:06.159 nice ride. 257 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:13.039 The statistics that you have, maybe you've got some studies done, 258 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:17.360 but I guess you don't have necessarily the long term 259 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.519 stats that you'd like to develop. 260 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:23.720 Aysome right, we don't really have long term statistics on 261 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.279 anything yet, but we are trying to follow some people 262 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.759 long term, so we hopefully will know that in a 263 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.679 few years. But ultimately, nothing we're seeing is incredibly worrisome 264 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.399 for long term effects. It seems to be a mixed bag. 265 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:41.799 And it does seem that when people push a stroller 266 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.879 and then stop pushing the stroller, they're running mechanics go 267 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.919 right back to normal after they finished pushing a stroller. Okay, 268 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:50.799 so we don't think that this is having carryover effect. 269 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:54.320 So are we talking about primarily maybe the hips are 270 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.159 going to be a little mis sore, or maybe the 271 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:02.320 lower back. What areas you know from a kinesiology perspective, 272 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:05.480 do you think would would likely be impacted, if any, 273 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.679 if any areas were going to be impacted. 274 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.159 Yeah, I think you're right. The lower back certainly, if 275 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.080 you have that hunch of posture or leaning forward of it, 276 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.159 you might have some effects on the lower back. And 277 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.200 like I mentioned, with the twisting forces, that could be 278 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:27.039 indicative of stress fracture risk. So like stress fractures or 279 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.080 shin splints, you might see that happen more more commonly 280 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.679 when people are pushing strollers, but the stress fracture risk 281 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.200 risk goes away right away when you stop running with 282 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.320 the stroller. The lower back is a tougher one. Right 283 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.759 backs are tricky, and. 284 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.320 We get a lot of running. When my kids were young, 285 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.879 and I'm sure that on occasion we didn't have running 286 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.600 strollers per se. There was no one had marketed those. 287 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.360 This would have been back in the late eighties early nineties, 288 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.519 but just a regular little stroller as long as they 289 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.279 were strapped in that much resistance. Now that I have 290 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.279 my grandson who's three, well least not three until July, 291 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.480 but most of the activity that he likes is to 292 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:13.679 take a ride in a golf cart. That's easier. I 293 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.879 don't think there's any impact from the kinneesiological point of 294 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:20.879 view as I sit in the golf cart, So that 295 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:24.320 that is that's good good news. Before we scare people, 296 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.080 I just want to clearly this is not something that 297 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:31.919 people should lose sleepover. I will say that one of 298 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.639 the things I learned that as great as jogging is, 299 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.360 it does have an impact later on in life on 300 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.039 your on your knees and on your ankles just from 301 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:46.039 the impact of running it if you were in well. 302 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.240 One thing could be that strollers could actually be protective 303 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.000 of that. We saw less less impact when you're running 304 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.559 with a stroller. You're kind of sharing the load between 305 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.600 your legs and your arms because you're holding onto the 306 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:00.679 handlebars with the strollers. So there is a possibility that 307 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.000 running with a stroller is actually protecting you from some 308 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:07.119 of that long term can be and arthritis risk later 309 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:07.720 in life. 310 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:09.599 What I hope you could do with some sort of 311 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:13.000 a study on ellipticals. About ten years ago, I discovered 312 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:18.480 ellipticals and there's no impact and they really do help 313 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.160 people of a certain vintage. And I am one of 314 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:25.640 those of that vintage. So I hope that you're not 315 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.000 doing it. I hope you're not doing a study that's 316 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.640 suggesting that of use of ellipticals three or four or 317 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.039 five times a week is going to be problematical at 318 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:34.720 some point to have a. 319 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:40.400 Line, I hope not. I don't think so, though, Okay, great, Yeah, 320 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.559 I also don't think that running with a stroller can 321 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:46.680 be really problematic either. I think that I think the 322 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.720 mental health and physical health then if it's really outwigh 323 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:53.160 anything that I'm looking at. But you know, it's important 324 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.839 to consider that the mechanics of the runner that's pushing 325 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.680 the stroller, not just the safety of the of the baby. 326 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.720 And I'll tell you the little ones love it. They 327 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.359 love to feel the reason and their hair at that 328 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.839 or whatever heir they have at that point, they love. 329 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:12.279 They love the movement and the motion. Allison, I appreciate 330 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.480 very much. Thanks very much for being back. We missed 331 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:16.119 you the other night. I hope all is well. I 332 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:18.880 know you were dealing with a family matter and I 333 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.240 hope everything has worked out fine on that and thanks 334 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:21.920 for coming back. 335 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.359 All's well, that ends well, and thanks so much for 336 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:26.440 having me. I appreciate it. 337 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.359 It's all that matters. Alison Singles, Associate Professor of Kinesiology 338 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.079 at Penn State. If folks want to get in touch 339 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.519 with you and ask a question, I see that there's 340 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.440 an interesting article that was in the Washington Post. Do 341 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.000 you want to give out a you know, an email. 342 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.519 If anybody does have a question that they'd like to 343 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.000 run by you, they certainly can read this article, which 344 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.519 was May third in the Washington Post by you and 345 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.119 a colleague, John Mahoney. Does what running with a jogging 346 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.759 stroll it does to your body, which is why we 347 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:58.720 reached out to you so they can find that. And 348 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.920 are you a periodic writer for the for the for 349 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.319 the Walpo Walpole As we say. 350 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:09.200 No, this was just a one off. I actually wrote 351 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.559 it initially for another publication called The Conversation, and it 352 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.279 got picked up by the Washington Post. 353 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:14.920 That's great. 354 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.480 You can find me at State Burks. You can Google 355 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.640 me and my email address will be right there. Feel 356 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.200 free to reach out if you have any questions. 357 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.440 Penn State Berks, b E r Ks. Thanks so much, Allison, 358 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:27.000 appreciate it. 359 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:27.799 Thank you. 360 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.920 Happy running, Happy Running. When we get back right after 361 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:32.440 the News at the Bottom of the Era, we're going 362 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.000 to be talking about a very interesting theory that have 363 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.079 we created a culture of mediocrity in America where good 364 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.319 enough is ruining people's lives. We will talk with an 365 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.880 author and speaker and transformation coach. I'll also remind you 366 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:51.720 if you haven't found the iHeart app at your app store, 367 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.240 please do take advantage of this. This is free. It's 368 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.480 a new and improved iHeart app, and the great part 369 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.720 about it is when you put it on whatever device 370 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.400 you or as many devices as possible. Make us your 371 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.920 first preset, so no matter where you are, anytime of day, 372 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.480 any place at all, you're only a fingertip away. My 373 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.400 name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside to listen to 374 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.680 WBZ ten thirty and your am dial, Boston's news radio. 375 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:20.920 It's night Side with Boston's News Radio. 376 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.039 Well we continue along with our Thursday night edition of 377 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.880 the Nightside News Update, and with us is Kellen Flukeeger. 378 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.640 He's an author, speaker and transformation coach and the issue 379 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:38.119 that he's going to talk about is our culture of mediocrity. Kellen, 380 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:39.599 Welcome to Nightside. How are you. 381 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.839 I'm just fantastic, Dan, thank you for having me on tonight. 382 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.720 You're very welcome. I have never seen a last name 383 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.960 like yours. We see people with Smith and Brown, but 384 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:55.759 Flukeeger are the many Flugers in the country. I'm guessing 385 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:57.160 that it's a small. 386 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.680 Clan, very very small. Three brothers came over in the 387 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.480 late eighteen hundreds from Switzerland, and everyone I've ever met 388 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.680 in North America can be traced back to those three. 389 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.799 So no, it's very unusual in North America. 390 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:13.880 That's great. So you are a business coach and a 391 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.920 life coach in Los Angeles, as I understand that correct? 392 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.440 Yes, actually, yes, I am okay? 393 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.240 Was it quite sure? Did I overstate or understate either 394 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:26.519 of those? 395 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.279 Me to one? I'm actually an Edmonton, Alberta, Canada and 396 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.799 the Los Angeles may have come because I have an 397 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.519 LA talk radio show called Your Ultimate Like, but I 398 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.880 actually live in Edmonton, Alberta and that's why I. 399 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:42.440 So you must be you must be an Oiler fan. 400 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.480 I'm assuming right, we're just freaking out because they won 401 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.160