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<v Speaker 1>By Bill Cunningham, the great American. Of course, News Nation

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<v Speaker 1>is the source I use pot often for objective news

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<v Speaker 1>and coverages of one pipe or another. And Natasha Zuvez

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<v Speaker 1>is one of their great reporters. She's a broadcaster. She's

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<v Speaker 1>also three times won Emmy Awards for independent journalism and

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<v Speaker 1>things of that character, et cetera. And of course many

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<v Speaker 1>issues are percolating, including what's happening with the tariffs, and

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening with trent To Ragua, TDA, et cetera. But

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to that, Natasha has a new podcast out

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<v Speaker 1>called Truth of the Matter, and there's a fantastic story

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<v Speaker 1>posted relative to a Golden gate Bridge suicide that resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in the attempted suicide not occurring, and Natasha Zuvez once again,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Natasha tell us the

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<v Speaker 1>story because I know San Francisco's Golden gate Bridge is

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<v Speaker 1>this side of just so many suicides, persons that have

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<v Speaker 1>lost any reason to live. So tell the American people

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<v Speaker 1>about this, about this person that jumped off the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>and survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill. It's an incredible story. It's great to be on

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<v Speaker 2>with you again, and it's posted right now as you

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<v Speaker 2>said on the All the New podcast The Truth of

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<v Speaker 2>the Matter, This is a man by the name of

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Hines, and he was nineteen years old when he

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<v Speaker 2>said at the time, he thought he was his family's

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<v Speaker 2>greatest burden. He thought he was youth. Of course, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>could have been further from the truth. He was so loved,

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<v Speaker 2>but he headed to the Golden Gate Bridge, like far

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<v Speaker 2>too many others, with the intention to die by suicide

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<v Speaker 2>that day. And he says, you know, his dad could

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<v Speaker 2>sense something was wrong that morning, but he hit it all.

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<v Speaker 2>He told his daughter he was fine, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his dad dropped him off at City College in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kevin says he remembers thinking, as my dad drove

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<v Speaker 2>away us, the last time I'll ever see someone I love,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the last time anybody I love will ever

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<v Speaker 2>see me. But he truly thought the world and his

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<v Speaker 2>family would be better off without him. He made a

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<v Speaker 2>pact with himself bill which Kevin says he's now an

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<v Speaker 2>advocate who has helped thousands and thousands of people who

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<v Speaker 2>grapple with mental health issues. He says he made a

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<v Speaker 2>pass like people often do who are making these kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of plans, and he said, if one person says, are

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<v Speaker 2>you okay? Is something wrong? Or can I help you?

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to tell them everything and beg them

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<v Speaker 2>to help me. And so he took the bus. He

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<v Speaker 2>withdrew from his classes, took the bus openly crying on

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<v Speaker 2>the way to the bridge. Nineteen year old kid. He

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<v Speaker 2>spends forty minutes on the bridge, tears streaming down his face,

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<v Speaker 2>and then one person finally approaches him, a tourist, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>with curly blonde hair. She smiles at him and says,

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<v Speaker 2>will you take my picture? He takes her photo and

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<v Speaker 2>catapults off the bridge, and that's just where the story

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<v Speaker 2>begins built because he's overcome with overwhelming regrets the moment

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<v Speaker 2>he does this. He follows two hundred and twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>feet likely hits the water at seventy five miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like hitting concrete going in a car, a three

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<v Speaker 2>to four second fall. And as he's following, all he's

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<v Speaker 2>thinking is what have I just done? I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to die. God sees save me and he hits the

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<v Speaker 2>water and Bill what happens next? Even for me, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's been in the business a while and done some

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<v Speaker 2>grizzly investigations. I couldn't believe it until we found the proof.

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<v Speaker 1>What is well, First of all, before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the prove, Natasha, give us a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>social history of Kevin Hines nineteen years old. So many

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<v Speaker 1>young Americans today appear to be lost, hard to get work,

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<v Speaker 1>hard to find work, difficult to go to college, live

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<v Speaker 1>in their parents' basement, live in their parents' house, difficult era. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what led him to the point of jumping off the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Gate Bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he suffered from mental health issues for sure. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he talked about something today which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is so important, which is he said, we are so

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<v Speaker 2>disconnected from one another. You know, he was a young

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<v Speaker 2>kid when this happened. Everybody is on their phones now,

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<v Speaker 2>and this happened even before smartphones took over. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, we need to just look up at one

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<v Speaker 2>another these days. I mean, you could be on a

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<v Speaker 2>bus going all the way to the Golden Gate Bridge

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<v Speaker 2>and a nineteen year old and I've he photos of

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<v Speaker 2>him at that time. Bill, he looks like a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like a little boy and openly crying, and

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<v Speaker 2>not a single person would look up from their phone

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<v Speaker 2>these days, and notice that anything is going on. We

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<v Speaker 2>need the social network, the community. The fabric is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are right. We are in a situation today.

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<v Speaker 2>We're increasing. I mean, mental health has never been worse

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<v Speaker 2>among our young people. They are sucked into their phones early.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many social issues, you know, the microplastics

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<v Speaker 2>in their brain. Honestly, the list goes on. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard time to be a young person in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all should be worried about the mental health

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<v Speaker 2>of our children.

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<v Speaker 1>No question. And I can't tell you how many stories

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<v Speaker 1>they hear about parents and their children that go to college,

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<v Speaker 1>they drop out. They go to college, they get out,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't can't find jobs commensurate what they perceive to

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<v Speaker 1>be their skills. And we have fentanel. We have marijuana

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<v Speaker 1>use as ubiquito as so many young men, especially or

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<v Speaker 1>on their phone for porn. They live in some fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>world without developing relationships with girls and women. They also

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<v Speaker 1>have gambling problems. You can bet on the next play.

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<v Speaker 1>You can bet on ping pong in Ecuador. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this one story. You can bet on ping pong in Ecuador.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's going to win? The next point and you live

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<v Speaker 1>in some fantasy land and it's completely unaddressed. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a system to help mental health, especially young men

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<v Speaker 1>and young women and girls. And when you say that

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<v Speaker 1>when he was falling, he had consciousness, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what have I done? It relates back to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I had a distant family member who sadly committed a suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>shot himself in the head, and then his significant other

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't his wife is significant other looked in his eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and would he could hear him almost say what have

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<v Speaker 1>I done? And he did this to punish her, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's dying and he wants to live the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>as Kevin Hines. All right, so he's falling seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>miles an hour, it's two hundred and twenty two story building.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what he fell into the cold, swirling waters of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Ocean. What happened as he was falling, what

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<v Speaker 1>happened as.

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<v Speaker 2>He hit Yeah? Wow, what a poignant story. I thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for sharing that. What is incredible about him is

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<v Speaker 2>how many people do not survive an attempt like this,

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<v Speaker 2>especially jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge. How many

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<v Speaker 2>of them? Bill had thoughts like this? Overwhelming regret. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to die. God, please safe me. What have

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<v Speaker 2>I done? And Kevin is actually able to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>this tale, but he hits the water. His back is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an excruciating pain. He starts to think because he's

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<v Speaker 2>wearing heavy boots, heavy jacket. He says, three miracles saved

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<v Speaker 2>him that day. We go into all three of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're extraordinary. On the podcast I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about just one of them today. For time. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>something below him starts circling in the water and nudging

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<v Speaker 2>him upwards because he was thinking, and finally it supported

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<v Speaker 2>him like a table under the water for a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I stayed with him until the coast guard got there.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first heard this tale, I met Kevin as

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<v Speaker 2>a journalist in San Francisco eight years ago. Actually was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I met him. I was like, we

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<v Speaker 2>need proof. Now we found it. There was a man

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<v Speaker 2>who was on the bridge that day who watched this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Kevin expresses regret today for all of

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<v Speaker 2>the people he traumatized who were on the bridge that day,

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<v Speaker 2>who watched this kid vault over the railing and fall

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<v Speaker 2>into the water. A man who was standing on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in another state now confirmed to me that

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<v Speaker 2>he watched what happened and saw a sea lion saved

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin in the water. And then I spoke to the

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<v Speaker 2>coast Guard and they said a separate individual came to

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<v Speaker 2>the station later that day and logged an account inquiring

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<v Speaker 2>after the young man they saw jump off the bridge, saying,

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<v Speaker 2>the most extraordinary thing happened as sea lion circled this

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<v Speaker 2>boy and stayed with him and wouldn't let him sink.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally I found and spoke with the coast Guard

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<v Speaker 2>officer who pulled him from the water that day, an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible man by the name of Marcus Butler, and in

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<v Speaker 2>his four years serving as a US Coast Guard at

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<v Speaker 2>Station Golden Gate out there, he pulled fifty seven bodies

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<v Speaker 2>from the water bill and just one live man. You

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine. As soon as I said, do you remember Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, yeah, he's the only man I pulled live

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<v Speaker 2>from the water. And he said that what many people

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize is that people often do not die on

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<v Speaker 2>impacts when they fall off the bridge, because it's an

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<v Speaker 2>agonizing way to go. And he has not been able

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<v Speaker 2>to shake these body recovery missions. He still has nightmares

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<v Speaker 2>about it. He says it's the stuff from horror movies

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<v Speaker 2>that you see out there on the water. But he

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<v Speaker 2>says he arrived, he was like he's swimming. He's swimming

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<v Speaker 2>and the lights which went off in his mind. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not a body with free This is a rescue that

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<v Speaker 2>was a miracle. And he says that animals were always

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<v Speaker 2>scared off by the sound the boat's make, so he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see the sea lion by the time he'd pulled

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<v Speaker 2>right alongside this boy. But he said, it makes total

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<v Speaker 2>sense to me because I remember thinking, how on earth

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<v Speaker 2>is this? Is this young man lying on the surface

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<v Speaker 2>of the water like a table. He's wearing long sleeves,

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<v Speaker 2>close pants, heavy boots. He can't swim through stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's injured. Why is he lying like this? Why is

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<v Speaker 2>he lying perfectly still on the surface of the water

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<v Speaker 2>and waiting for me to get there. That is Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Hines's story, at least part of it. The rest of it,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, on the truth of the matter, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the gifts to be here every day, and he

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<v Speaker 2>still lives with these chronic thoughts that dog him it's

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<v Speaker 2>not over. There has been no cure, but he says

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<v Speaker 2>he will never die by suicide today and he has

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated his whole life to sharing his story so that

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<v Speaker 2>others know. It's overwhelming regrets on the other side, and

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<v Speaker 2>help is available. People can as I know you definitely

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<v Speaker 2>want to get out there, text to call nine eight eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Help is always available though.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so this story's incredible, it's unbelievable, but your

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<v Speaker 1>credibility as a journalist is unimpeachable, So you're saying. Natasha

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<v Speaker 1>Zuvez of Truth of the Matter also News Nation that

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<v Speaker 1>a sea lion bob underneath them to hold his body

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<v Speaker 1>up below the Golden Gate bridge before help arrived. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what actually occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what actually occurred, according to two separate witnesses who

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<v Speaker 2>saw it that day. They believe in animal, likely a

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<v Speaker 2>sea lion. Is possible that it was a dolphin because

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<v Speaker 2>I also go to a Marina expert and from that

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<v Speaker 2>far up she says they look identical. But two separate

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<v Speaker 2>people said of sea lion circled him, stayed with him,

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<v Speaker 2>held him aloft, held him like a table under the

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, one might ask how is he doing his relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with his family, relationship with his dad. Did the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>Are they better? Are they definitely is getting help?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>How did think?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. Yeah, it's that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is so important, Bill. No, the underlying problems

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<v Speaker 2>have not been solved, and that's important. He will live

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<v Speaker 2>but he is determined to live with them. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's really important because so many of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>knows what to do. His relationship with his father has

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<v Speaker 2>completely bloomed after this. In the podcast, he doesn't see

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible account as his father seeing his father, his

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<v Speaker 2>strong dad, who rarely shows emotion, breaks down and cry

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital as he approached his bed after this attempt,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kevin says he never could have seen the life

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<v Speaker 2>man at his wedding, the incredible speech that he gave,

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<v Speaker 2>They are asked to speak to large groups both law enforcement, government,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, senators, congressman, as well as young people to

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<v Speaker 2>share this story and share this account. This struggle will

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<v Speaker 2>never be over for him. But he says he will

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<v Speaker 2>never die by suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the story that I had years ago of

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<v Speaker 1>is looking his eye was what have I done? I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, I'm sorry and so and he had the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess Kevin Hines had the time. They live,

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<v Speaker 1>one live, one didn't live. But that is some aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide which is so final that just before consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>is lost that many times the individual who's committing suicide

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<v Speaker 1>is very sorry they did it. So you're saying, in

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Hines's case, as his body is falling and flailing

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<v Speaker 1>from two hundred and twenty three feet of twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>Four seconds and it's feared in his brain the most

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<v Speaker 2>cogent of thoughts, what have I done? I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible that he's able, almost from the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>Natasha, is this a Religon moment? Is this proof of

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<v Speaker 1>God's existence or simply evidence thereof or simply a serendipitous

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? Who can answer that question? I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this episode just went live yesterday and all

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<v Speaker 2>of the comments say God sent that sea lion, and

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<v Speaker 2>I who am I to disabuse anyone of that notion?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it all right.

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<v Speaker 1>More of the stories that truth of the matter. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, Natasha and Zouvez, we had planned to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about all the big issues today, about the tariffs and

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<v Speaker 1>about more illegals committing acts of Mayhem, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that TDA is split into two groups. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the other ones. But I guess I wish

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Hines, I do. I wish Kevin Hines and his

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<v Speaker 1>family well he's one in a million, one in several thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>No human being can survive the fall he did for

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<v Speaker 1>a particular reason. Hopefully his life will be led differently. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>have you maybe in five or ten years check with

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<v Speaker 1>him and see how has he how's he doing, what

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<v Speaker 2>He's already done so much. And absolutely I will, Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. I hope people check it out, the truth

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter. And of course you know I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>everyone on these nations for on weekend starting at seven eastern. Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who need help, you hit nine eight eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain how that came about, because that's why we have

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<v Speaker 1>to hit area codes now. But nine eight eight, how

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<v Speaker 1>how much time? How many lives?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so important, I mean so yeah. Before it was

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<v Speaker 2>a cumbersome process and you know, siloed by different areas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so simple now literally call or text nine eight

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<v Speaker 2>eight from your phone. Help is always available mental health

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<v Speaker 2>and suicide lifeline. That is the message today. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a permanent solution to a temporary problem. And Kevin him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, attests to that absolutely all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Natasha, thank you very much, great work and thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Natasha,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. All right, let's continue with more Wow nine

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<v Speaker 1>eight eight. Help is always available, and in moments just

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<v Speaker 1>before your eyes shut, men who commit suicide have that

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<v Speaker 1>look saying what have I done to myself? What have

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<v Speaker 1>done to my family? All right, let's continue. Bill Cunningham

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