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True Murder 40 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:09.439 with your host, journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 41 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:22.240 Good Evening. Nancy Fister, heir to Buttermilk Mountain, the world 42 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.879 renowned sight of the Winter ex Games, was Aspen Royalty, 43 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.599 its ambassador to the world. She lived among the rich 44 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:33.840 and famous. She partied with hunter s Thompson dated Jack Nicholson, 45 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.280 had a joint baby shower with Goldie Hawn and globe 46 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:42.520 trotted with Angelica Houston. She was also a philanthropist admired 47 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.080 for her generosity, but behind the warm facade, she could 48 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:51.240 be selfish, manipulative, and careless. Fister enjoyed bragging about her 49 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.520 wealth and celebrity connections, but those closest to her, like 50 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.360 Kathy Carpenter, Fister's personal assistant, drinking companion on one occasion, 51 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:03.280 lover knew better. In two thousand and thirteen, after a 52 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.080 long fall from grace, doctor William Styler and his wife 53 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.400 Nancy relocated to Aspen to reinvent themselves. They'd lived the 54 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:13.479 high life before a misguided lawsuit left them near poverty, 55 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.680 and Nancy Fister was their answered prayer. She took them in, 56 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:19.960 gave them a place to live, and allowed them to 57 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.840 launch their new spa business. Everything seemed perfect until Fister 58 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.280 turned on them, making increasingly irrational demands and threatening to 59 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.240 throw them out on the street. When Nancy was found 60 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.800 beaten to death in her own home. The Stylers and 61 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:37.120 Carpenter were all under suspicion for the gruesome murder, but 62 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.120 in this close knit, wealthy town set on keeping its 63 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:43.400 reputation in secrets safe from the public eye, the police 64 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.800 struggled to solve the mystery of what really happened. The 65 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.319 book they were featuring Thece Evening his Shadow on the Mountain, 66 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.439 Nancy Fister, doctor William Styler, and the Murder of Aspen's 67 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.080 Golden Girl, with my special guests, journalists and authors Stephen 68 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.919 and Joyce Singular. Welcome back to the programme and think 69 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.599 thank you very much for agreeing in this interview. Joyce 70 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:04.520 and Steven Singular. 71 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.400 Hi, thank you for having us again. 72 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:16.199 Thank you very much. Let's jump right into this incredible 73 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.920 story and tell us a little bit. As you know, 74 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.480 you're very, very familiar with Colorado and all things Colorado. 75 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.360 So let's talk about Aspen, what Asmen is really like. 76 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.199 And as you do in the book, you give a 77 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.879 little brief history of this interesting place and also where 78 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.399 the wealthy play and live and have been for many years. 79 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.079 So tell us a little bit about Asmen as you 80 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.120 do in the book, Stephen Joyce. 81 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.279 Well, Asmen is really unique to Colorado. It's on the 82 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.000 western slope of Colorado, of the mountains, and it's sort 83 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.439 of like the Beverly Hills of Colorado. I guess you 84 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.399 could say it's very, very wealthy. When you go in town, 85 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.879 you go by the all the private jets that are 86 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.040 lined up that take the celebrities and politicians in and out, 87 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.360 and it's sort of an insular community. There's no place 88 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:16.839 quite like it. And in the seventies, I'll start there, Steve, 89 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.959 if you want to, you know, jump in earlier than that. 90 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.879 But in the seventies it was you know, like a 91 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:25.639 lot of mountain towns and a lot of resorts, full 92 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.040 of a lot of partying, and you know, just kind 93 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.759 of a crazy place. Hunter S. Thompson was living there. 94 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.800 He ran for I think it was mayor the town. 95 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.199 There was a high profile crime that occurred there in 96 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.160 the seventies. Spider Savage, who was on the World Cup 97 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:47.079 Circuit Racer ski racer, was living with Claudine Lange, who 98 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:51.360 was married to Eddie Williams at one time, and she 99 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:56.480 shot him. She shot Spider Savage and killed him, and 100 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.439 a similar thing happened in that case as with this 101 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.480 Fister case. The case she got a month I think 102 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:10.519 in probation, and the town was quick to close ranks 103 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.240 like they did with the fist case as well. It 104 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.120 was sort of it was bad for publicity, it was 105 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.360 bad for their image, and the whole thing was resolved 106 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:22.279 very quickly and sort of mysteriously, and we were surprised 107 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:26.319 to see that this happened again with this particular case. Steve, 108 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:27.480 do you want to add anything to that. 109 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:33.199 Yeah. Yeah. They Aston was a real boom town back 110 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.920 the end of the nineteenth century due to the discovery 111 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.079 of minerals. It was a very it was somewhat wealthy 112 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.759 back then, and then all of that went away. The 113 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:47.879 silver market crashed and Assen became almost a ghost town 114 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.600 with about three or four hundred people in it in 115 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.319 the first part of the twentieth century. And then when 116 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.160 World War II came, they started training in the mountains 117 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.560 up there, and some of the really enterprising people who 118 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.839 were involved in that said this, we could turn this 119 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.639 into a ski resort, you know, if we just had 120 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.319 the money. They had three different mountains that are all 121 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:14.040 spectacular for skiing, and eventually those came into being. One 122 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.519 of them was Buttermilk Mountain, which does figure into this story, 123 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.439 and so that put Aspen on the map as a 124 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.199 ski as an international ski resort and destination. Then they 125 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.839 brought in this music festival in the summer, which brought 126 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.800 in musicians and other people from all over the world, 127 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.720 very high profile, very prestigious. Then they brought in this 128 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.040 Aspen Ideas Festival to bring in you know, like a 129 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.560 thank tank for the whole world. They have branches all 130 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.639 over the world as a matter of fact. So that 131 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.800 was sort of the foundation for Aspen. And when those 132 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.959 things were in place, then it sort of turned into 133 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.000 a party town. And Nancy Fister's mother and father were 134 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.279 a part of the generation that really built Aspen, came 135 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.439 wealthy as a result of building the ski resort on 136 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:08.480 Buttermilk Mountain and were you know, real hard working of 137 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:13.160 serious folks. That represents our of the first generation of Aspenites. 138 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.879 And then their daughter represents the party time that was 139 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.199 just about to erupt his choice talked about in the 140 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:25.879 late sixties and seventies. And no one represented the old 141 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:29.079 esp And more than her parents, who are very accomplished people. 142 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.000 And no one represented the party more than Nancy. 143 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.759 And in many instances with families like this, the first 144 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.720 generation that creates the wealth have a different work ethic 145 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:44.080 than the second generation that you know, our trust funders 146 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.039 basically many a time and don't have the same work ethic, 147 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.240 and that's sort of what happened with Nancy Fister. 148 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.919 And her parents were very aware of this. They had 149 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:58.879 three daughters. The daughters notoriously did not get along, Suzanne, 150 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.720 Christina and Nancy. And it was I mean, it was 151 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.240 an open secret that the three daughters did not like 152 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.159 each other and quarreled a lot. So when the parents died, 153 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:14.399 or before they died, they set up a system where 154 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.840 money was distributed, but not in a very lavish way, 155 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.000 especially not for Aspen. And that becomes a real integral 156 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.799 part of this story as it unfolds. They didn't want 157 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.080 their children to just you know, blow all this money 158 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.240 as quickly as they could, which is something else that 159 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:34.159 a lot of wealthy people do. So that we'll figure 160 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.039 in as this story goes along. 161 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:41.840 You talk about how Nancy and her sister Suzanne and 162 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:47.519 Christina were raised by parents basically they were more interested 163 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.799 in other things rather than parenty. It wasn't their priority. 164 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.879 But Nancy grew up differently than Christine and Suzanne, or 165 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.799 became a different person. So as we'll say a little 166 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.679 bit later in life, what did the other two sisters 167 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:07.080 gravitate towards them become and what was Nancy left? What 168 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:14.360 was Nancy referred to as out of the three anyway. 169 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:17.519 Well, the other two were more serious types, I believe 170 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.519 one word for a while in real estate and another 171 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:26.679 had like a jewelry or a collection. Christina made a 172 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.559 point of wanting to sort of get away from the family. 173 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:32.279 She said, I'm the fister that you know nobody knows. 174 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.960 So she eventually moved to Denver and just wanted to 175 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.039 completely distance herself, not just from the family, but especially 176 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:45.000 from her sister Nancy. Suzanne lived fairly near Nancy all 177 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:48.759 of her life, but they really did not get along well. 178 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.799 Suzanne basically lived across the road from Nancy and they 179 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:52.879 never really talked. 180 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.240 Yeah, and Nancy was this real outdoor loving you know, 181 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.080 horseback riding, fishing. 182 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:04.440 She fancied herself a philanthropist. Yeah, and she wore many hats. 183 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:09.840 You know. She would portray herself as a producer or 184 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.159 someone that worked for the Ellen show, Ellen degenera show. 185 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:18.039 Sometimes she made up these titles to impress people. 186 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:24.600 Right. She was very open and friendly and to a 187 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.919 degree that you know, goes beyond what most people would 188 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.080 think of of those words. There's an anecdote in the 189 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:34.480 book where this guy, this journalist, comes to town and 190 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.279 he's in asking. He doesn't really know anybody. He's standing 191 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.080 in the middle of town in this mall. It's in 192 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.879 the off season. There are any people there, and he 193 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.840 sees this blonde woman. She was attractive, and he sees 194 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:49.960 her and he sort of stares at her, and she's 195 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.799 eating Chinese food, you know, with chopsticks out of this 196 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.440 little box, and she just comes over to him and 197 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.159 puts a bider of rice in his mouth. This is 198 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.600 like his welcome to ask. I mean, that's you know, 199 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:04.840 not something most people would do. So when people would 200 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.399 go around the world, as you know Aspen, as many 201 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:10.600 world travelers, they would say, you know, we're from Aspen, 202 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.080 and the first question would be do you know Nancy Fister? 203 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:15.480 Because she behaved that way all over the world. 204 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.679 Right, you talk about all the in the book, you 205 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.120 talk about all the celebrities that she encounters in the 206 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.000 We mentioned in the introduction about the joint baby shower 207 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.639 with Goldie Hahn and Globe trotting with all these movie stars. 208 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.000 But when we talk about twenty and twelve, twenty and thirteen, 209 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:42.200 and then later twenty fourteen when this story really occurs. 210 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.320 You talk about how the luster had gone off her 211 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.919 reputation and things were different for Nancy. So tell us 212 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:53.480 what things had how things had changed for Nancy Fister 213 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:54.559 in Aspen. 214 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.639 Well, I'll say this, by now, she was getting older. 215 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.039 You know, she was in her fifties, late fifties, and 216 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:08.919 many of her friends of her same age had already 217 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:13.200 started raising families, you know, several decades earlier, and she didn't. 218 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.879 She's kind of stayed the party girl a little too 219 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.399 long at the party and so she really was sort 220 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.360 of kind of just at loose ends whereas other people. 221 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.000 And she had really had quite a drinking problem by 222 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:30.559 this time too, and so yeah, a lot of her 223 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:33.519 friends had already moved on, and you can imagine someone 224 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:35.360 that was, you know, the party girl of the seventies, 225 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.360 but now it's twenty fourteen, and it just didn't really 226 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.559 play out that well, and it was sort of it 227 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.120 was kind of sad and tragic. You know, she was 228 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.879 sort of a she had devolved in sort of a 229 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:47.600 tragic figure around town. 230 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.320 Yeah, she would show up places that we have a 231 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.200 story in the book, you know, where the sheriff was 232 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.159 making a speech and she shows up drunk in the 233 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.440 famous hotel and Aspen and interrupts him repeatedly and embarrasses him. 234 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.000 And it wasn't the first time this happened. You know, she, 235 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.360 as Joyce said, she this drinking problem got more pronounced 236 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:16.000 and as she aged, and as that happened, you know, 237 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.000 her friends were no longer these a list celebrity people. 238 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.039 But she was sort of going down the social chain 239 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.879 to find people to really hang out with. And that's 240 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.320 how she came across and met and got involved with 241 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.000 one of the key figures in this case, Kathy Carpenter, 242 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:36.039 who worked at the local Alpine Bank as a teller. 243 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.559 Now, tell us about the circumstances that they do meet, 244 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.720 because it's very interesting, like you say, this a lister 245 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.000 than now rubbing elbows with this other person. So tell 246 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.480 us the circumstances in which they do meet and then 247 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.279 strike up a friendship and more. 248 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:56.320 Go ahead. 249 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.440 Well, Nancy banked at Alpine Bank and she went in there. 250 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.440 You know, she was always very friendly. She was great 251 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.399 at beginnings, let's put it like that, not so great 252 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.080 at middles and endings, but she's Kathy waited on her 253 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.960 and they struck up a conversation and Nancy went into 254 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.320 the bank quite often and always talked to her, and 255 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:22.159 she said she wanted to be her personal assistant at 256 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.519 the bank. And then she called her one day and said, 257 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.799 I would like you to work for me, you know, 258 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.759 I would like you to be my personal assistant and 259 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.200 work with me full time. And Kathy sort of famously said, 260 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:40.000 you can't afford me because she had benefits and all 261 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.240 of that, so she didn't do that, but they became 262 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.639 progressively closer where Kathy would go up to her house 263 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:51.000 and spend time and drink with her and you know, 264 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:51.639 watch her. 265 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.600 Dog, and she kind of afforded. She kind of brought 266 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:01.240 Carpenter into a different social strata, right, and that was 267 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.120 appealing to Carpenter. 268 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:08.759 Yeah. Yeah, Kathy was you know, somewhat insecure, and here 269 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.480 she was, you know, hanging out with Aspen Royalty, you know, 270 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.200 going up to Buttermilk. 271 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:18.039 Mountain, going to parties with her, up to her. 272 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.840 House and hanging out with her, and you know, some 273 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.200 of the time it was fun. On the other hand, 274 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.080 they crashed bitterly at times, and that's a part of 275 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:28.919 the story. The police had to come out a couple 276 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:32.360 of times Nancy's house separate them and all of that. 277 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.080 So she tended to have volatile relationships with both women 278 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:36.600 and men. 279 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.279 Can you explain, as you do in the book about 280 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.279 the situation with the trust fund limits that the parents 281 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:51.039 had imposed so that the daughters wouldn't squander everything, but 282 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:55.159 also how it affected and Or and in addition to 283 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.679 her personality that apparently was like you say, very good beginnings, 284 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.480 but not so once you got to nowhere. So what 285 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:06.599 did Kathy experience and see in those regards and tell 286 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:11.279 us about those limits with the money or resources. 287 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.279 Well, we were spent a lot of time talking to 288 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:20.759 a private investigator named David Olmstead, who was ultimately working 289 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.039 for one of the defendants in the case after this crime. 290 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:29.440 And he told us again another great quote for the book, 291 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:35.319 that when the parents Nancy Fister's parents, before they had died, 292 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.359 they had set it up with a local lawyer named 293 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.720 Andy Hecht who was in the latroom of Garfield, and 294 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.279 hecked that he would control all of the money in 295 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.359 their estate and that he would basically dole it out 296 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.480 to the sisters on a monthly basis. We were told 297 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.759 that she got seven thousand dollars a month. Now, that's 298 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:59.640 not a lot of money in Aspen, and she chafed 299 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.480 against this horribly. She didn't think it was enough money 300 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.680 to live on. She made a point of going out 301 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.319 to dinner with people and maybe saying she would take 302 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.640 them out. And then when the bill came, you know, 303 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.680 she was nowhere to be seen. So she had major 304 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:20.640 issues around money and she couldn't really get more money 305 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.720 out of that, out of Andy hecked. So this sets 306 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.799 up a conflict right there from the beginning. 307 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:35.440 Now you talk about the increasingly the responsibilities that Kathy 308 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.920 Carpenter is given by Nancy Fister, and then Nancy Fister 309 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:43.519 has an idea to change her life up somewhat, and 310 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.680 it's discussed with Kathy Carpenter and including these new responsibilities 311 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.599 or the increasing responsibilities that are given to her. Tell 312 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:53.559 us what she does become. We alluded that she's some 313 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.480 sort of assistant, and what's the idea of about the 314 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.200 rental of the home? Tell us about some of these 315 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.319 things that she is responsible for. 316 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.440 Yeah, as they grew closer, Nancy, Nancy would take her 317 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.680 places on vacation. For example, they went to Hawaii together, 318 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.079 but she would have Nancy liked to go away in 319 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:19.880 the cold weather. 320 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.680 So she had some injuries, some old injuries that you know, 321 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:25.680 that were achy, and so she would travel to the 322 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.640 to the warm climates in the winter. And which you 323 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.039 should have said was that Nancy got a dog named Gabe, 324 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:38.000 and then Kathy Carpenter had to start helping watch this 325 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:42.480 dog because Nancy was not very responsible. So you know, 326 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.920 a lot of it started. A lot of these things 327 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:49.319 started falling on Kathy Carpenter's shoulders. And I think it 328 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.240 was in the fall of twenty thirteen that she had 329 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:57.119 made plans to go to Australia. There was somebody that 330 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.160 she was dating there or was interested in, and and 331 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.480 that's when she had decided to put her house up 332 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:03.119 for rental. 333 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:11.119 And she was known for making very casual agreements with renters. 334 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.279 She didn't like a paper trail or anything like that. 335 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.519 She'd just make a verbal agreement and then she'd say 336 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.559 to Kathy, well, you take care of this. You get 337 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.839 the money from them, you put the money in my account, 338 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.920 and you handle all these transactions, because you know, you're 339 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.480 at the bank and that's where it's done, and so 340 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.400 that becomes, you know, a big part of the story 341 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:31.599 that's about to happen. 342 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:35.839 What we didn't talk about, and I apologize, is that 343 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:42.400 also we should talk about Nancy's daughter, Juliana and the 344 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:46.279 situation in terms of her parenting. Tell us a little 345 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.720 bit about that as we just backtrack a bit, as 346 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.519 this will be important later. 347 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:54.759 Go ahead and do it well. 348 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.839 As Nancy was getting you know, as she was getting old. 349 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.799 I guess she was probably in her thirties when she 350 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:05.559 had a daughter named Juliana by a Argentinian polo player 351 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.559 and who I think relinquished all rights to Juliana. She 352 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:12.599 just she basically needed someone to father a child. She 353 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:17.720 decided she wanted a child. But basically Juliana was brought 354 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:21.160 up mostly by people in the Woody Creek area. Would 355 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.839 you say, Steve like the Stranahans, And Stranahan is a 356 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.400 name that some people might recognize as the liquor people. 357 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.960 Yeah, they make urban and he's sort of well known 358 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.599 for other things, George Stranahan. But you know, Nancy's parents, 359 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.400 as you already said, Dan, weren't known for parenting, weren't 360 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.680 known for their parenting skills. Some people kind of called 361 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.559 her award of the community. And Juliana was raised very 362 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.000 much the same way. And Nancy would have a whim 363 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:52.920 she said, I want to fly to France, I want 364 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.839 to watch a tennis match in French or France, or 365 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.720 I want to go to Africa and do something. She 366 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.240 would just take off and and the child would be 367 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:04.680 left behind with whoever was there to take care of her. 368 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:08.079 That created a lot of conflict between Nancy and her mother. 369 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.440 And again it was just sort of characteristic of her 370 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.759 to do exactly what she wanted to do when she 371 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:15.519 wanted to do it. 372 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.839 Now you also talk about the relationship interestingly, and this 373 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.400 is important, very very important later that you have a 374 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:30.880 former sheriff, if I'm not correct, Bob brought us and 375 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.759 the current one at that time was dissolvable, was his 376 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:38.680 he was brought us was before dissolvable. So tell us 377 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.640 how close a relationship both of these men had, and 378 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.400 also the relationship they both had with Nancy Fister. 379 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.960 Well, it was there were days, you know, back in 380 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.480 the seventies the Joyce alluded to when things were much 381 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.519 looser and Aspen there wasn't as much wealth as there 382 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.160 is now. There are now fifty of the world's billionaires 383 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.519 now live in Aspens, so it's really a bit of 384 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:11.160 a different game. But but DeSalvo told us that, you know, 385 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.160 back in the days when Hunter Thompson was partying at 386 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.319 al Creek Farm every night, you know, he should go 387 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:18.119 out there and get in a poker game with him 388 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.640 and play and all of that. And that was the 389 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.920 world that Nancy was really moving in. I mean, she 390 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:27.759 was in regular at the Hunter Thompson parties where Jack 391 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:31.880 Nicholson would show up or other famous people she was 392 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.400 very close to that brought us first and then to DeSalvo. 393 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.960 She called him Joey and she called brought us I 394 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.440 think Boo Boo, and she was just you know, it 395 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:46.759 was a very tight knit community. They were all you know, 396 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.680 brought us a sort of known for you know, his 397 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.240 drug usage before he became the sheriff, and it was 398 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.960 a pretty loose environment and she fit into that perfect. 399 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.160 And it's pretty It's not that big of a town, 400 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.680 you know, and when when winter is over, it gets 401 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:06.200