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<v Speaker 1>What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dan Valley taking

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<v Speaker 1>a break from finals coverage, taking a break from our

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<v Speaker 1>offseason look aheads for every single team. Go check those

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<v Speaker 1>out as they're rolling out if you have not already,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to the man, the myth, the legend, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a real person though mister Keith Smith of spow Track

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<v Speaker 1>follow him on the social zat Keith Smith NBA probably

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<v Speaker 1>mispronounced bow Track. We go through this every single year spotrack.

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<v Speaker 1>How are we doing this again?

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<v Speaker 2>Spot track?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a spot track NBA people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because of Eric Spolstra that they go

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<v Speaker 2>do spow track, But it's spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Track, spot track.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Smith of spot Track, who I've had on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast many times before and still just mispronounced the outlet

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<v Speaker 1>that he's from. So we are here to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>off season chaos Draft. We're just gonna alternate picks on

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<v Speaker 1>teams that we think whether they define the offseason, we

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<v Speaker 1>think they're gonna do something unhinged, but like they are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely teams to watch for a multitude of reasons heading

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<v Speaker 1>into the summer. But first, I think the question everyone

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know the answer to, how the heck are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing, Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good man, I'm I'm glad to see you're on

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<v Speaker 2>your feet, your house is still standing. I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a little afraid of what may be after the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>look like they're gonna finish this this off. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we may end up in a place where

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<v Speaker 2>like it's gonna be like escape from New York after

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<v Speaker 2>the next Knicks win. But it's uh, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny. I I tell people any any radio or

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<v Speaker 2>podcast appearents I've done. I don't care who wins. I

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<v Speaker 2>was rooting for the Spurs after they went down to

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<v Speaker 2>oh only just because I want more games, because the

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<v Speaker 2>games have been so good. But like, it's pretty cool

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<v Speaker 2>if the Knicks win. Like it's like, I know, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of Knicks fans in my life that

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<v Speaker 2>head given up on. Like they're like, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>one team I'm never gonna see win. Like they're like

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the Yankees win, I've seen the Giants win.

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<v Speaker 2>The Knicks I'm never gonna see win. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's cool that they're right on the verge

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<v Speaker 2>of it. So pretty fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird existence because the person who covers the

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<v Speaker 1>league wants it to be a long series and was

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<v Speaker 1>also a little worried that had the Knicks swept it,

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't have been indicative of just how high level

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball was because all.

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<v Speaker 3>These games have been close.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fan in me is, well, if they lose

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<v Speaker 1>Game five and then it's just like then this bers

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<v Speaker 1>just need to win Game six, and all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden it's Game seven on the road, So I'm torn.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them to win however they win, but the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of them doing it at MSG would be cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also kind of surreal.

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<v Speaker 1>And LA's probably because some of the things I said

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<v Speaker 1>about the Knicks throughout the season that we watched them

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<v Speaker 1>steamroll everybody. After Game three, by the way, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the building, well their streak is over now. For

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<v Speaker 1>Game three of the Hawks, they lost and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the last time they lost for like forty something days. Crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and just watching that game, I never could have predicted

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<v Speaker 1>in a trillion years anything like this happen. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>been wildly entertaining, and the series has been for all

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<v Speaker 1>the complaining about the refereeing and who's dirty, who's getting

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<v Speaker 1>away with? What the free throw stuff? This has been

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a series, Just a hell of a series.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, super high level basketball with they're not always close

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<v Speaker 2>the whole way through, but close at the end, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know that, that's that's what we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Does a Finals game really begin if the Knicks don't

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<v Speaker 1>trail by double digits? Questions?

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, I want I told one of my best

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<v Speaker 2>friends he's a huge Knicks fan, and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they actually feel really good. If the Spurs are up

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<v Speaker 2>twenty after the first quarter, I'd be like, Okay, got

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<v Speaker 2>them right where we want them. I was like, now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe at some point de luck runs out, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think a bunch of the Knicks players have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>said like, yeah, we'd rather not continue to follow these

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<v Speaker 2>giant holes and have to dig ourselves out. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really it's it's it really has been a really fun finals.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith, you are the guests, and because I'm just such

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful person, I'm going to give you the first pick.

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<v Speaker 1>So which team are you taking with a number one

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<v Speaker 1>overall pick in the offseason chaos draft?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it it pains me to pick them number one

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<v Speaker 4>and any any facet, any fashion event, anything, because I

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day still probably do bleed

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<v Speaker 4>a little green as a Celtics guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I pick the Lakers. There. They're the Lakers, they

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<v Speaker 2>have cap space, they have Lebron, Like, it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>something wild is gonna happen here. That's I think gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just because it's the Lakers. When the Lakers have

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<v Speaker 2>cap space, big things happen. And then you've act factor

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<v Speaker 2>in the whole Lebron of it all, Like, what does

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<v Speaker 2>that all mean? I'm gonna take the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a good pick.

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<v Speaker 1>And for all the reasons that you listed, I also

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<v Speaker 1>wonder do you think there's a chance that it's also

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<v Speaker 1>anti climactic where they look to kind of roll the flexibility. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we keep Austin Reeves, Lebron's coming back, and they're rolling

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<v Speaker 1>the flex waiting for the star they could trade for

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<v Speaker 1>for flexibility of the year after they feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>anti climactic possibility as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I absolutely could could play out that way. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there's as this has all gone on for the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of months, I've started to really prepare myself more

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<v Speaker 2>and more for that could be the way that this goes.

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<v Speaker 2>But still it's one when the Lakers have cap space,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's just it's it's a it's a thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>can it's it's always gonna be a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think if you were to predict right now

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll end up looking back and say, oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers did something significant other than re sign Austin Reeves

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<v Speaker 1>to a max or near max deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a good chance. I I think if

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<v Speaker 2>there is a out of nowhere trade this time right like,

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm not spoiling any future picks and not exactly

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<v Speaker 2>tipping you up. I didn't know, did you know Giannis

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<v Speaker 2>might get traded? Right like there's well, hold on, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on what yeah, right outside of a Yannis trade,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a like holy crap, like one of those

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<v Speaker 2>ones where it's like what happened? I think the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>good good chance they might be be the team that's

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that. Whoa, that guy got traded kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of moved just I think they're well positioned to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there was also part of this because I've given

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<v Speaker 1>some I haven't seen it talked about a ton, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've changed a lot of the front office people. And

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<v Speaker 1>so is there an element of does Mark Walter, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's how's Rob Polinka feeling under Mark Walter right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta guess there's probably some level of pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>right like Mark Walter, I know there's all the genie's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna really run the team. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, Mark Walter owns the team now, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's I don't I don't care who sits in

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<v Speaker 2>the meetings. Two actually is the one who's like signing

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<v Speaker 2>off on what we do. That's the person who really

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<v Speaker 2>runs the team. It's important to note he didn't hire

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Polinka, right doesn't have the attachments to Rob Polinka

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<v Speaker 2>through Kobe Bryant. And although those you know, through lines

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<v Speaker 2>that run through all that. So yeah, I could absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>see Rob Plink feeling like he's under some pressure. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's you know, eventually, at some point it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be are if we're not we're the Lakers. If we're

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<v Speaker 2>not in the finals and having chances to win, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not good enough and we got to get to people

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<v Speaker 2>here who will get us there, and that there will

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<v Speaker 2>be a change of eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>With pick number two, I'm trying to select the peop

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<v Speaker 1>where I think I know this team is gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>something splashy. I'm going with the Brooklyn Nets, another catch

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<v Speaker 1>based team, so an obvious choicement extent, But they also

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<v Speaker 1>not only do they not own their own first round

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<v Speaker 1>pick next year, but you can't point to anyone on

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<v Speaker 1>the roster right now and say this is the player

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<v Speaker 1>around whom we want to build. But you also don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>well one, you have to probably assume they won't get

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<v Speaker 1>that player at number six, So it's not like they

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<v Speaker 1>have a top four, top five selection where you feel

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<v Speaker 1>maybe better about them finding that player and following a

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<v Speaker 1>gradual course. So you kind of have to sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and wonder, are they gonna make a big trade, are

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<v Speaker 1>they gonna do something frivolous during free agency, or will

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<v Speaker 1>it be we're gonna fall, We're just gonna stay at

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<v Speaker 1>the current court. Of course, we've seen Shawn Marks do

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<v Speaker 1>that before him they didn't have picks, But now we're

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<v Speaker 1>moving beyond.

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<v Speaker 3>A decade later, and I'm assuming that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the way people talk about Shawn Marks now

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<v Speaker 1>is so much different from like five or six years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to imagine the pressure in Brooklyn is being

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<v Speaker 1>ratcheted up. I don't know what that looks like, but

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<v Speaker 1>just between the cap space, not having their own pick

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<v Speaker 1>and not having a franchise cornerstone in place, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we could just see, like trades signed, things could

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<v Speaker 1>just get absolutely wild for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a great pick. There's also a

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<v Speaker 2>factor in you can no longer sell the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be really bad because you can't do that

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<v Speaker 2>in the new lottery reform. You can't goin with that

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<v Speaker 2>being your plan, and you can't sell a we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be really bad for multiple years because you also can't

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<v Speaker 2>that can't be a thing either. So I think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of these teams, I think, more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else with the lottery reform, I'm very curious

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<v Speaker 2>to see how teams rebuild now, Like how does it

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<v Speaker 2>because it for decades now, the way you rebuild is

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<v Speaker 2>trade to weigh your best players for younger players or

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<v Speaker 2>draft picks. You stink for a period of time. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's a year or two, sometimes it's a decade or

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<v Speaker 2>two if you're the Kings, and then you just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like then you build back up right, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>now you're in a spot where it is like it

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<v Speaker 2>really becomes can't do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just not a way of works.

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<v Speaker 1>So who are you gonna take with the third pick?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go with with with the hometown team with Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's why.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it is Giannis, I don't know, but they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do something. Brad Stevens, who is maybe the most even

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<v Speaker 2>keeled individual I've met covering the league my entire life,

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<v Speaker 2>where there are times you could you could question if

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't know him, like does this guy like does

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<v Speaker 2>he care? Like he just he's never too high, he's

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<v Speaker 2>never too low. Yes, he didn't come in banging the

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<v Speaker 2>table and screaming and yelling at their postseason media, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, we're not good enough and we're not good

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<v Speaker 2>enough for what we should be and was like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we overachieved, but then reset the bar. We didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>it like, just was not happy, and then went into

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<v Speaker 2>more layup s, dunks and free throws, like, yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. We'll find out, but I just think he

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<v Speaker 2>is in a place where it is we are not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying they're blowing the team up, but just

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a possibility then that they would because they're

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<v Speaker 1>matching tools, is there a chance then that they would

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<v Speaker 1>trade Jail and Brown? And it's not free, honest, it's

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<v Speaker 1>breaking him up into two or three players or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that I don't know how else.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could try to do that with Derek White,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd be curious what is true he value is

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<v Speaker 1>after this season, with what's left on his contract. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's fascinating about Boston to me, is like I've just

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<v Speaker 1>for years, even remember break up the Jays a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago, probably before they won the title. I've

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<v Speaker 3>And I honestly don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's like a good reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I should wonder why, Like is this like they they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had Tatum back for a full season. They did

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<v Speaker 1>look pretty dominant at stretches. But I guess if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to make a material change to the way you're playing,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if for no other reason, he makes basically twice

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<v Speaker 2>as much as Derek White. So if you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>breaking Derek White up into two or three guys, you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking like ten, twelve to fifteen million that's coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>We take Jaylen Brown and makes almost sixty million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>you're turning it into here's a couple guys who make

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thirty million dollars, right, So that changes things

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<v Speaker 2>in a very big way. I think here's where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at with all this. If at some point in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few weeks it comes down the Celtics traded Jalen

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<v Speaker 2>Brown for Jannis. If it is mostly Jalen Brown for Yannis, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a worthy swing, right, and I'm gonna let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what it looks like. I'm gonna trust in it. If

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<v Speaker 2>it is Jalen Brown plus plus plus for Yannis, No

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<v Speaker 2>stay away, Like you don't need to be trading multiple

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<v Speaker 2>first round picks or multiple of the young players that

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<v Speaker 2>look like they have really good potential, Like that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to be a thing. That's then. That's the same

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<v Speaker 2>way I felt about Jalen Brown for Kevin Durant a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago. It was all right, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna trade him straight up, all right, I can get

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<v Speaker 2>behind that, I can understand. But if you're trading them

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<v Speaker 2>for Kevin Durant and you're also trading out multiple other things,

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't get there. Now. I can also get

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<v Speaker 2>there if it is at some point traded Jalen Brown

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<v Speaker 2>and we broke that contract up into three rotation guys

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<v Speaker 2>and two are gonna start or whatever it is. Okay, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what is most likely to happen with the Celtics,

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<v Speaker 2>which runs counter to why I picked them, is they

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<v Speaker 2>run it back. They use their big trade exception, they

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<v Speaker 2>use their mid level exception something to bring in another

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<v Speaker 2>really good player, and then it's moves around the edges

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<v Speaker 2>that that's probably what is most likely. But because the

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<v Speaker 2>potential exists for them to go kind of crazy and

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Stevens was so mad, which I've never really seen

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<v Speaker 2>him like that since he took over the GM role. There,

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely a world ward. Things get a little crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I guess if it was technically straight up

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<v Speaker 1>or as close to straight up as it could be,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand the honest wing, but you're just you're trunk

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<v Speaker 1>kating your window so much. It feels like so you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting the better player, but for how long? And it's

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<v Speaker 1>also how many He wasn't in the playoffs last year,

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<v Speaker 1>so this can't count, but then previously too, he doesn't finish,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't available by the end of the two other playoff

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<v Speaker 1>runs because of it aris that's just and after going

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<v Speaker 1>through Jason Tatum having this series serious Achilles injury, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I might understand it, like you said, if

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<v Speaker 1>it was close to straight up, but I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm necessarily on board with it. If it would

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<v Speaker 1>be a close to straight up deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm only on board with it because try something different,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's I you know, there's a ward where I hope,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know five years from now to who knows

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<v Speaker 2>how long guys are gonna play anymore. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's now I'm having to even beyond Lebron, who's probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play until he's seventy. Like you are, like, You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to reframe all of this, Like guys are

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<v Speaker 2>guys are nowhere near done at thirty dude, Some guys

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<v Speaker 2>are nowhere near done at thirty five. So like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want I was gonna say, five more years of

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<v Speaker 2>Tatum and Brown and then they both retire, but that

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<v Speaker 2>feels even like low, So I don't know, seven eight

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<v Speaker 2>more years of it and then they they eventually both

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<v Speaker 2>move on. I would love it if they played it

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<v Speaker 2>out the whole way in Boston. But what I think

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<v Speaker 2>everybody would love even more is winning another title, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like it's that that that where for me

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<v Speaker 2>if I think they think this puts them closer like it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, let's let's go, let's get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>For the fourth pick, I'm gonna go with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of teams. Who's the right pick here? I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go with another potential Yannis team in the Miami Heat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of shit or get off the pop time,

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<v Speaker 1>I think for them I'm not very much on board

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<v Speaker 1>with every summer you have to trade a star or

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<v Speaker 1>it's meaningless. We've seen enough of just they either have

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<v Speaker 1>a player in Jimmy Butler who you're waiting, you're hoping, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if we get the seventh seed, he'll he'll peak in

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<v Speaker 1>time for the plan, which that's not a sustainable model

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<v Speaker 1>as we saw, and now it's we're waiting for them

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<v Speaker 1>to get a best player on a what could be

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<v Speaker 1>a title caliber team or something close to it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love bam Adebayo offensively, he just can't be that.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's also had.

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<v Speaker 2>To scored eighty eighty whatever was I now, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even remember, was it eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Three eighty three? But listen, he should have stopped at

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<v Speaker 1>the Kobe number. I thought it was disrespectful that he

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<v Speaker 1>kept going.

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<v Speaker 3>That was just so.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't if you don't get Yannis one, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>let me start here. If you get Yannis, the packages

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<v Speaker 1>that are being floated around out there for your honest

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much.

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<v Speaker 3>Better the heat are.

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<v Speaker 1>If Tyler heroes going out, I'm assuming you're even if

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<v Speaker 1>you bring back Norman Powell. If jim Hawks Junior is

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<v Speaker 1>gone you still kind of need a primary creator on

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<v Speaker 1>the roster. Then the spacing could end up being bunked.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bam and Giannis will figure it out defensively. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out offensively. But you're very like you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>traveling a very fine line there. So I'm not thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>about what the heat might look like after Yannis. There

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be other moves lined up. But then you

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, well, what what are they going to be

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<v Speaker 1>left with to do if you don't get Yannis? There's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of different ways they could go. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>another star that fits that becomes available they could go after?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they make the wrong move because they're so over

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and they refuse to rebuild? Does the R word

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<v Speaker 1>actually get uttered there and they hit reset? Do they

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<v Speaker 1>just end up taking a distressed asset type guy where

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<v Speaker 1>it's they trade for a zion, they trade for a rant.

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<v Speaker 1>This team is all over the place, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly don't know how they seem like the Yianni's

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<v Speaker 1>favorite right now. But if they don't get yannest I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what I would predict that they do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great, great point and that was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I was asked. I've done a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of different Heat shows recently, and one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that both both shows asked was like, if it's not Yannis,

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<v Speaker 2>what next? And my thing is, I'm like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're probably trying to sell the fan base

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<v Speaker 2>on or we're gonna try to kind of run it back. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we might overpay Norman Powell for a year and then

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<v Speaker 2>at least we we have him and Hero and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have you know, there's worlds where they conve like

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<v Speaker 2>seventy million in cap space in the summer twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and and if I'm a Heat fan, I'm like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we just kind of did a year without making the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>The last couple of years, I haven't been very good, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the last time we were good was now

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<v Speaker 2>like a few years ago, Like what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's where it does get, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tough, like they I think because they made

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<v Speaker 2>those couple of runs, and they made the runs from

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<v Speaker 2>like the eighth seed, we are still like those are

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<v Speaker 2>still with us in our memory. They haven't been very

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<v Speaker 2>good since twenty twenty two. When they made the finals.

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<v Speaker 2>They they've not been you know, a great team since then,

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<v Speaker 2>and like last year they really weren't very good. So

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<v Speaker 2>like I do wonder, at what point does patients run

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<v Speaker 2>out with the fan base where it's like, uh, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what we'd like is rather than sell all this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go get somebody. We'll go get somebody, right

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<v Speaker 2>instead of going to do it, go do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you don't want to hear oh they gave

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<v Speaker 1>up how many first round picks they get?

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<v Speaker 3>Zion in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, who would be your next pick?

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, I'm stuck between two? Here I go with Denver. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to do something clear money like it's as.

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<v Speaker 1>Much just fire their entire broadcast crew because it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like they did that already.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's yeah, that's a whole other thing. But for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I am this is where I have to separate from

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<v Speaker 2>what I would do versus what I think they will

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<v Speaker 2>do if it was me. Pay the tax I have

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<v Speaker 2>Nikolay Jokic.

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<v Speaker 1>You only just have one of the three greatest basketball

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<v Speaker 1>players a lot. How would you pay the tags or

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<v Speaker 1>the same everything I have with them?

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<v Speaker 2>And and to be fair, they have paid the tax

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<v Speaker 2>like I think could ask got lumped is like they've

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<v Speaker 2>never even paid the tax like they have, but they

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<v Speaker 2>just they don't want to go deep into the tax.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go deep into the tax. I'd resign Peyton

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<v Speaker 2>Watson for whatever the number needs to be, and I'd

419
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<v Speaker 2>run it back with the ross I have and hope

420
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<v Speaker 2>for better health. And with better health, I think this

421
00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.279
<v Speaker 2>team is way better going into you know.

422
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<v Speaker 3>The postseason.

423
00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.440
<v Speaker 2>What I think is really gonna happen is Cam Johnson

424
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<v Speaker 2>or Christian Brown, one of the two of them is

425
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<v Speaker 2>out of there, because that's gonna be how they're gonna

426
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<v Speaker 2>create the wiggle room underneath the aprons to feel good

427
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<v Speaker 2>about resigning Peyton Watson. And for me, that becomes all right,

428
00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.119
<v Speaker 2>then what else happened? So you're gonna then be like, well,

429
00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>we can't really resign Tim Hardley Junior because we don't

430
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<v Speaker 2>want to use the tax by Emily for real reasons

431
00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:18.119
<v Speaker 2>and all those things. So if that's where it all

432
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<v Speaker 2>starts to go, that's for me, that starts from a

433
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<v Speaker 2>little a little too much sideways. And I think there

434
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<v Speaker 2>is there is a world where I think if somebody

435
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<v Speaker 2>called them with the exact right offer for Jamal Murray

436
00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.960
<v Speaker 2>or Aaron Gordon, and it also can save them a

437
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<v Speaker 2>little bit of money to retool the rest of the roster.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I could see them saying, all right, let's do it.

439
00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.960
<v Speaker 2>We've we've done this for I don't know what are

440
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<v Speaker 2>we seventy eight years in with kind of this core

441
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<v Speaker 2>together for the most part, Like we did win the

442
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<v Speaker 2>title once, but if we want to win again with

443
00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.839
<v Speaker 2>the Oakitch, we're gonna retool by moving one of those guys.

444
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.839
<v Speaker 2>So again, it's just it's not super likely, super likely

445
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<v Speaker 2>that somebody out of Brown or Johnson goes I think.

446
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<v Speaker 2>But the big yo, oh my gosh, they traded Jamal

447
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Mary kind of move, I'm not gonna take it off

448
00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the table.

449
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<v Speaker 1>I and I think based off how they've transacted in

450
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<v Speaker 1>the past, where they've done a really good job. Just

451
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<v Speaker 1>I think based off a lot of the fan bases response.

452
00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I know that the fan base is frustrated with them too,

453
00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but they've been able to sell these cost cutting trades

454
00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:21.680
<v Speaker 1>as also upgrades, and sometimes it's worked out like the

455
00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 1>KCP trade. They saved the money and made a roster upgrade. Yep,

456
00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that's great. The Michael Porter junior Cam Johnson trade. You

457
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can say that it was a they did an they

458
00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.559
<v Speaker 1>got a good enough player back that it made financial

459
00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.319
<v Speaker 1>sense without really gutting the core of the team. But

460
00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.880
<v Speaker 1>you used your last best enticing trade chip to do it,

461
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<v Speaker 1>and what are we doing a year later we're talking

462
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<v Speaker 1>about them having a trim finances all over again, and

463
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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know that you can, oh, go ahead.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Hand up. I thought that was like, oh my gosh,

465
00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.359
<v Speaker 2>this is a great trade, Like they saved all this

466
00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.160
<v Speaker 2>money and Cam Johnson's gonna be awesome for them. I

467
00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>was in that camp, so like, I just want to know,

468
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like I'm an idiot like a lot of other people.

469
00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I was not in that camp, but I was open

470
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<v Speaker 1>mind because I love Cam Johnson. But I just thought

471
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<v Speaker 1>that you needed someone who is going to be more

472
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<v Speaker 1>of a definitive upgrade if you were using that trade ship.

473
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<v Speaker 1>And I just didn't look at it as from yeah,

474
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<v Speaker 1>the financial savings made sense, but you did that, and

475
00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:21.759
<v Speaker 1>now we're still here a year later and you're looking

476
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<v Speaker 1>to cut costs over again. So I think they will

477
00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.559
<v Speaker 1>trade at least one of their starters, and I would

478
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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't shock me if they're looking at that Murray and

479
00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Gordon contract as these second tier type of or third

480
00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.559
<v Speaker 1>tier type of star guys in the current Aprons climate.

481
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<v Speaker 1>I honestly, I wouldn't predict it, but I'm like only

482
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<v Speaker 1>sixty forty on both Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon being

483
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<v Speaker 1>back in Denver next season.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that's fair. I will say when

485
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I wrote their off season preview, because I dove into, like, well,

486
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.039
<v Speaker 2>what did everything really work? Kim Johnson put up career

487
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>high shooting numbers last year. I don't know if anybody

488
00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.440
<v Speaker 2>actually knows that because, like get he's.

489
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.319
<v Speaker 3>Just like their most reliable player. By the end of

490
00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:03.240
<v Speaker 3>the playoffs team.

491
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it felt like it was this god awful

492
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.400
<v Speaker 2>fit and everything fell apart because of that. But like

493
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he yeah, he got hurt and he didn't play a lot.

494
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 2>He played fifty some odd games, but like he was

495
00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. Like when he played his counting stats were

496
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.319
<v Speaker 2>all down, but that was his role was different, right, Yeah,

497
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.839
<v Speaker 2>but the Natzy took whatever shots he wanted and all that.

498
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.079
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, career high from the floor and career high

499
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 2>from three.

500
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:28.680
<v Speaker 1>So I will say he I don't know if he

501
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.319
<v Speaker 1>osmosised it from MPJ himself, but he, like MPJ, is

502
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>the like the streakiest, best all time shooter.

503
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:36.319
<v Speaker 3>I think I've ever watched.

504
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Where you don't trust that it's gonna go in, and

505
00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Cam Johnson had some bad misses from three to two

506
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.559
<v Speaker 1>for someone who shot such a high clip. The next

507
00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>pick for me, it's tough. I think I'm gonna go. Yeah,

508
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go here the Oklahoma City Thunder. So just

509
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>depending on your mile edge, on what you have their

510
00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.839
<v Speaker 1>cap sheet at, like they're thirty plus million into the

511
00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>second apron, I don't I don't know what's not on

512
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the table for them, aside from We're not gonna move

513
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Shay Gilden Alexander. I doubt they would entertain offers for

514
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.319
<v Speaker 1>a chet Holme Grin or a J. Dub, But they're

515
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out a way to keep Isaiah Hartenstein,

516
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and I see all the players being bandied about if

517
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you just get rid of Let's just assume they just

518
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.119
<v Speaker 1>get rid of Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah.

519
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Joe and Lou Dort. Those are all good players.

520
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Who like help make up the meat and potatoes of

521
00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a rotation that is all of a sudden then reliant

522
00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.599
<v Speaker 1>on a bunch of younger guys who are cost controlled.

523
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:34.119
<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen Thomas Sorber, We've barely seen Nicolo Topicch.

524
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>There's also Cason Wallace's extension eligibility, and what do we

525
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>know about ok See Keith. They tend to extend guys

526
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>or trade them, so what's gonna happen there? And if

527
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:46.039
<v Speaker 1>you're extending him, what does that mean for like the

528
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>gluttony of other guards on the word like, surely lou

529
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Dort won't be.

530
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.559
<v Speaker 3>Back then, but how are you getting rid of lud Doort?

531
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<v Speaker 1>Is it declining the team option or actively trading him?

532
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Is there a chance I Saiyah Heart and Stein's not

533
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>on this team next year? Is there a chance they

534
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>make an aggressive play to move up because they have

535
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>two first round picks. They don't have enough roster spots

536
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 1>right now if they just wanted to bring everybody back.

537
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the biggest move they're gonna make is.

538
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.400
<v Speaker 1>But I think we look back and this would be

539
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 1>a big deal for oka See and we could identify,

540
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh they traded like or you got rid of two

541
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>guys that were in the top eight of their rotation,

542
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>which is not nothing.

543
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. I've been saying four months now of

544
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.200
<v Speaker 2>their I kind of bucketed five guys as the decision

545
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.960
<v Speaker 2>points on this roster. And yeah, you could do other

546
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 2>things like move Thomas Sorber or move Nikolotopitch if they

547
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. There's just there's no value in doing that.

548
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.680
<v Speaker 2>So when I look at it, of the three guys

549
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>with team options, so Hardenstein, Dort, then ken Rich Williams,

550
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>and then Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe, We're both on

551
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.079
<v Speaker 2>contracts that are very tradable, but neither one could crack

552
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the rotation by the end of the playoff run. I

553
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 2>have said two out of five are gonna be gone

554
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 2>next year. I think it's gonna be loud Ort. I

555
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>think it's just something's got to give with those contracts.

556
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Hartenstein's way too important. They don't have anything resembling a

557
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>replacement for him on the roster in order. I think

558
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>they could go get someone to replace him. I'm in

559
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 2>free agency or via trade that makes a lot of sense.

560
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, Home grind Williams SGA that none of

561
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that's happening. Sam Sam Presty if and I've learned to

562
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>take a lot of what GM say at started the offseason,

563
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>like in one ear and out the other. But he

564
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>was pretty clear, and he's generally been pretty pretty candid

565
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and upfront where he is. David basically said, look, we're

566
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.519
<v Speaker 2>not doing this like these are our guys, and and

567
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I do like we all need to take a step

568
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>back and remember I'm on the title. Last year, they

569
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>were in game seven of the Western Conference Finals without

570
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Jaileen missings, Like yeah, like it's not like all of

571
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, it's like, oh man, they washed out in

572
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.519
<v Speaker 2>the first round and they're miles away like they're they're

573
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.400
<v Speaker 2>they're really really good. So yeah, so I but I'm

574
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.519
<v Speaker 2>with you. There's definitely change coming in Okay see for

575
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 2>sure what it is, I don't know, but definitely gonna

576
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 2>be They're gonna look a little bit different.

577
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.480
<v Speaker 1>And I would be remiss if I didn't admit I

578
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.599
<v Speaker 1>will root for nothing to happen, because they do have

579
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the option of just paying the bill for this roster

580
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>like that they could They're not going to, but they

581
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 1>could do that.

582
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 3>That is on the table.

583
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I did want to ask you this should be a

584
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Paywalld question, but I'm not gonna make it a Paywalld question,

585
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>would you trade Jalen Williams J Dubb for the number

586
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.559
<v Speaker 1>one pick in this year's draft?

587
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Probably not.

588
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I would either.

589
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am. I am extremely riskd verse. So for me,

590
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, Jalen Williams is awesome. Like I'm gonna take

591
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>out the injury stuff this year because he he had

592
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>the risk stuff to start the year and then the

593
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>hamstring injuries. He's great. So for me, I don't in

594
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.160
<v Speaker 2>his contract is fine. I don't care that he's on

595
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>a max deals. He earned it. Yeah, what is the

596
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Brian Windhors call it the so Yeah, I just I

597
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>don't want to trade the short thing for the unknown.

598
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>And I my number one guy in the draft is

599
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>aj Devonsa, Like I think he's gonna be awesome. Hey,

600
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>but for me, especially for the thunder Nope, not taking

601
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 2>the chance on the potential over But what.

602
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I know, Uh, we each have two picks left.

603
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 3>What is your next pick, sir?

604
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go with the Clippers only because if

605
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>a ruling comes down here in the next couple of

606
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 2>weeks that like we're avoiding Kawhi's contract what happens? Like,

607
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>is it that fared everybody else? Because now the Clippers

608
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>could have like ninety million in cap space, Like where

609
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>like where do we go? If that's what happens? What

610
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>you know? I mean for me being the transaction CBA

611
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>roster nerd that I am like, it's almost like I

612
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of wanted to happen only to see like how

613
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 2>does the NBA handle it? But it is just again,

614
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 2>are they gonna trade Kawhi? Are they gonna keep Kawhi?

615
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 2>How are they gonna rebuild around Kawhi in Garland? Like

616
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 2>what's that gonna look like? Bennick matherin super interesting? Guys

617
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 2>are restricted free agent, Like I you know, we're four

618
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>years in and I have no idea what his value is.

619
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just kind of all over the place. So yeah,

620
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it's there's just a lot of fun stuff that could

621
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>happen with that.

622
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 3>What is would be though?

623
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>So let's just say, actually I wanted to ask you this.

624
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you saw that, uh the aspiration?

625
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 3>What was his name?

626
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>A guy went to prison for fourteen is a good

627
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>sentence of fourteen years now, right?

628
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Got it? Joe Samberg?

629
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Steve Bomber's camp like wrote a note basically

630
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 1>defaming him and like how he couldn't be trusted. I

631
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>wonder if while the NBA came out and wrote things

632
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>about how he basically cooperated with their investigation, and I

633
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>looked at that, maybe I'm reading too much into it,

634
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, if Steve Bomber's camp is putting

635
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 1>out these things about it, that probably doesn't bode well

636
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>for what he said to the NBA then, right, And

637
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 1>so I was curious, does this make it more likely

638
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>we see it really like something that damages the Clippers.

639
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>But then the way Adam Silver was talking leading into

640
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the finals, I think it was made me think, oh,

641
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 1>they're not He's like readying us for nothing is gonna

642
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>happen here.

643
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I thought it was interesting too when Adam

644
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Silver said like, we're gonna trust the facts and not

645
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the public opinion and all that, which is all right

646
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>in general, that's probably how things should work, you know.

647
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 2>That gets us in a lot less trouble if we

648
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>just trust what we actually know. But I think he

649
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 2>also I don't think what was this quote was like,

650
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>but I realized, like, we got to get this thing

651
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 2>wrapped up like this can't take months and months further,

652
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 2>because he said the Clippers and the other twenty nine

653
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>teams all need clarity on what's gonna happen with this one.

654
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be one

655
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of those where if they're like they come out now

656
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and say we just couldn't find enough to convict the

657
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Clippers in the NBA court and punish them, you know,

658
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>very heavily, fans are gonna scream and yell that like,

659
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 2>oh forget it. You know, everyone's gonna tamper and it's

660
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be enough. And if they did, what how

661
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>would almost rather have that? Then? Well we think they

662
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 2>were kind of bad, so you lose the second round

663
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>pick Like that's I think would enrage me and shouldn't

664
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>rage people even more than the idea of like, yeah, guys,

665
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 2>it is like we just couldn't. We can't, like we

666
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>don't have enough concrete proof to punish them, And I

667
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 2>know people won't like that, but yeah, that sometimes that's

668
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 2>the way life goes.

669
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 1>The other reason I like this pick too is I

670
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 1>know everyone has them built is could they trade KAUWHI

671
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 1>assuming nothing happens with the Aspiration investigation.

672
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Could they go I don't what is the.

673
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Incentive for them to trade Kawhi when they're not gonna

674
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>have control with their own pick next year? Could they

675
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>go the other way and do something? We have Kawhi,

676
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.079
<v Speaker 1>we have Darius Garland, and we have a top five pick.

677
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Are we trying to do something immediately next season? They're

678
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a like a sneaky offseason wildcard beyond

679
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the everyone's just identified, Oh is there a team that

680
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 1>wants Kawhi? It's well, what if the Clippers want to

681
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>try and win next year? Like do they try to

682
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 1>do something semi aggressive?

683
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think there is a chance. I think yeah,

684
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>because if you're the Clippers, what good does the fifth

685
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>pick after you if you're still building around Kawhi Leonard?

686
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Like it does just I mean right at Miles j

687
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>may vary own who you think it should be. Most

688
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>people seem to be settling, and it's probably like Eaton Woggler.

689
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>He's probably gonna be a good player eventually. You know,

690
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>he's ready to play right now day one. So yeah,

691
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>if I'm the Clippers, it's like, does this really have

692
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of value to me? Like where where do

693
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I want to go? So, yeah, I think we're gonna

694
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>We're in a place where it is like I I think,

695
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>how do I frame this? I think it's with the Clippers.

696
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>It should be a you know, position of let's if

697
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 2>we're keeping Kawhi. Yeah, that pic should be on the

698
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>table and let's go for it. Let's let's try to

699
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>go get help to kind of build us up.

700
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>My pen ultimate pick I low hanging through, but one

701
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:04.519
<v Speaker 1>of us probably has to go here.

702
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:05.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna pick the Bucks.

703
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 1>They are trading a top five player, it's going to happen.

704
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 1>What they do beyond that will be curious. I'm where

705
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>it could get chaotic is are they able to move

706
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>anyone else as part of that Yanni steal or in

707
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 1>separate deals.

708
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 3>I also think it gets fairly chaotic.

709
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what their appetite is for getting their

710
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 1>own picks back now that there's been lottery reform. But

711
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 1>if they decide to rope in the Blazers and this

712
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>just becomes like a four or five or six team trade,

713
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that gets ultra complicated. The other thing, too, is I

714
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>want to see what they prioritiz Let's say they don't

715
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>get their own picks back. What are you prioritizing because

716
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't own your own picks? Is it players? Is

717
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 1>it other teams's draft picks? Is it other teams as

718
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.319
<v Speaker 1>young prospects? And then Keith, I just want to see

719
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the return because I keep going through my head. You

720
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Celtics before we talked about the heat package.

721
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I think Giannis is a transcendent basketball player, and I

722
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>basically think every hypothetical package I've heard, I've come away

723
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>thinking I just wouldn't give that up for him, which

724
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>is so weird to think about. I want to see

725
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>how much does he actively go for. And after months

726
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of hearing sectors of Bucks media and fandom say, well,

727
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Evin Moley wouldn't be good enough as a centerpiece, chet Holmgren,

728
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Shirley isn't good enough as a centerpiece.

729
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 3>What do you think you're getting? Who do you think

730
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 3>you're getting?

731
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 1>So I really want to see what the package ends

732
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 1>up being here. And by the way, the other chaotic

733
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>fact would be do they just send him somewhere that

734
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to go? And now all of a

735
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 1>sudden we're wondering was he even gonna sign an extension?

736
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Could next summer be super interesting.

737
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Now I think that's him play too. And I my

738
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>big believer when you are the team, if player doesn't

739
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>have no trade clause, yes, if you can send them

740
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>somewhere they want to go in it's a good, good return,

741
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 2>you should do it. But if it's not a good return,

742
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 2>and this is now I'm rehashing Dame to Miami stuff

743
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>from a few years ago, it is you're under no

744
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>obligation to that. Like you don't think that is what

745
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>you need to do, Like, then don't do it right,

746
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Take the best value for you. John Horst works for

747
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the Milwaukee Bucks ownership, and his responsibility is to them

748
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and the team and the fans in Milwaukee. It is

749
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>not too just to Giannis. Because here's the thing, this,

750
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>this is alright like wright in, one of the questions

751
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that keeps coming up at the end of all these

752
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 2>is are they even gonna trade him? And my thing

753
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>is it's like, well, I hope so, because they are

754
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the couple we've all been friends with where it's like, guys,

755
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>just break up already, like we love to be you

756
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 2>and we know you're always gonna like somehow you'll have

757
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>fondness for each other, but just break up already, Like

758
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.320
<v Speaker 2>just go your separate ways, like everybody. Everybody at the

759
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>end of the day will be happier. And you know what,

760
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>ten years from now, I'll come back together and you

761
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>will throw a big party and it'll be great to

762
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 2>heavy in the same room. Like it's Janis's accomplishments aren't

763
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna be tarnished unless this gets ugly and it starts

764
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>turning into don't trade me to Portland cuz I'm not

765
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>resigning there, and it starts being I'm angling towards these

766
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>one or two teams and I'm gonna make it really

767
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 2>crappy for you with your return and all that. And

768
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you too. Is there a world too? I've

769
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>even thought like do the Bucks say you know what

770
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 2>we want? We want players who are like let's say

771
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 2>it was Jalen Brown said it's been in Jalen Brown

772
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>off to a third team. We just watched them carrying

773
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>not great Celtics roster to the two seed, Like why

774
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 2>can't just let's just keep them. Let's just try to

775
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 2>be competitive and be be okay, Like maybe we're not

776
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 2>title level, but but we can be okay, we can

777
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>get in the playoffs and let's go. And that's that's

778
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna be where it's really interesting. Last thing I wrote

779
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.079
<v Speaker 2>down eight teams, we now all came off the board.

780
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, there's teams.

781
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you had thought about teams that

782
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I would want to pick, but I just know they're

783
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be as chaotic or aggressive as they should be.

784
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 1>And so as a team, i'll spoil it like I

785
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have I'm not gonna pick the Golden State Warriors.

786
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely think that they should be a team that

787
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 1>makes this list, but I just don't trust that they're good.

788
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 3>They're all they're all smoke and yeah.

789
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I had a Orlando, but I think the Magic are

790
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna say bar big change was changing the coach. We're

791
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna give this group another year together. I don't think

792
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do any kind of wild moves. There's gonna

793
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>be stuff they do, like they're gonna Jonathan Isaac won't

794
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 2>be on the Magic one way or another next season,

795
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 2>like just too expensive for what he is. They're too

796
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>expensive as a team. But yeah, I don't think they

797
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I think they could get really crazy. I just don't

798
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>think they're going to.

799
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 1>So did you have another one last team?

800
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Let me look, I just this one's kind of more

801
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>just off the cuff. Houston feels like something could happen there.

802
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>They just haven't come together, I think the way they

803
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. So so yeah, I'll throw out the rockets.

804
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think what's interesting about them and they probably

805
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>would have been my pick with the final pick, and

806
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>I have one more team to go through.

807
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Is they just have to ask themselves.

808
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Were we one healthy Fred van Fleet and Steven Adams

809
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>away from being a legitimate threat in the West. No, personally,

810
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>the answer is no, yeah, and so they should be then,

811
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>to me aggressive and you need to figure out what's

812
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the plan with Reed Shepherd. I tend to be an

813
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.519
<v Speaker 1>optimist with him, and I get made fun of all

814
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the time and mentions just for my attachment to him.

815
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I just still think he might be the answer and

816
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that he deserves more runway than he's gotten.

817
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 3>And I know the playoffs are brutal at points for him, but.

818
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>If you're not going to give him the runway, then

819
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 1>anything should be on the table, including like our attaching

820
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>picks or other salaries to him and seeing who you

821
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>can get.

822
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Now.

823
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know necessarily what's the right player for them,

824
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 1>But when you hear names like well, what does it

825
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>cost to get I don't know whether it's Kyrie or

826
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>what does it cost to get a Jamal Murray? I

827
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 1>know those contracts are huge, but like those are probably

828
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the types of players that they need to get over

829
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>that hut. Like if do Van Mitchell becomes available in Cleveland,

830
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like that's a name they should probably be looking at.

831
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Donan Mitchell would too. I think that'd be like Miami's

832
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of ultimate backup plan if he's available, like, go

833
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 2>get him. So yeah, I think that's that's a good one.

834
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, so yeah, Houston something. It feels like

835
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna do something to shake things up at least

836
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:21.079
<v Speaker 2>some some level.

837
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I really want to be bold enough to pick the

838
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Toronto Raptors here or even the Timberwolves. They just don't

839
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 1>have enough stuff. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with Cleveland.

840
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't I'll be fairly surprised if Donovan Mitchell gets traded.

841
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I think you could talk me into literally anyone else

842
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>getting moved or any other.

843
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Outcome on their offseason.

844
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>The James Harden player option the next deal, How do

845
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 1>they feel about Evan Mobley internally is dual big, So

846
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>are they gonna run with that moving forward? And if not,

847
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>do you look at moving Jared Allen because in theory

848
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 1>that's still pretty nuclear, but it's less nuclear than moving

849
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in Evan Mobley or Donovan Mitchell. You need to We've

850
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 1>been talking about this for how many years now of

851
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>it is a little bit reductive, but you need to

852
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>find the wing of the future or the fifth member

853
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 1>of your current core four like Hard and Mitchell, Alan Moby.

854
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, great baseline.

855
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Are you actually able to make a move that matters

856
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>without moving one of those guys? And then the other

857
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>thing too, is it's just kind of similar with Oka.

858
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 1>See there's another team that projects to be in the

859
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 1>second apron If they're gonna run everybody back, I don't know,

860
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Like Dan Gilbert has proven that he'll pay it they

861
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>just did or about to.

862
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 3>Is he gonna do it again?

863
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 1>And if so, why if you're not changing, like you

864
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 1>better change the roster at least if you're gonna go

865
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>into the second aprin again, I would think some kind

866
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>of fat I think there's just a lower chance they

867
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 1>do anything seismic, but they kind of have the potential

868
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to like get pretty nuclear this summer too.

869
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and here's the key. They go second apron again.

870
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Now you're running into frozen picks and all the other stuff. Right,

871
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>It's I like to say the second apron is like

872
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 2>going to Las Vegas. It's when you go, it's expensive.

873
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>We probably gonna have some fun, you're gonna win a little,

874
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be great. Then you stay in the second

875
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 2>apron too long, like staying in Vegas too long. Now

876
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 2>it's really expensive. Now it's starting to get really painful,

877
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and you're probably gonna have a lot of like lingering

878
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>things that you don't want to deal with when you

879
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 2>get home. So so yeah, it's you stop by for

880
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, which they did, but now you've gotta

881
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.039
<v Speaker 2>be really careful that you don't don't overstay.

882
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

883
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 1>We have you for about ten more minutes. Right, So

884
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.760
<v Speaker 1>am I able to ask you one or two like

885
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 1>macro questions here? I'm very curious. I've been asking myself

886
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this question when Grant and I just talked, what do

887
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you think the trade value of first round picks are

888
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 1>gonna be within lottery reform? And to what extent. Do

889
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>you think front offices those people are still trying to

890
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 1>figure that out and don't have their heads wrapped around it.

891
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And answer the second part first, because it's gonna help

892
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 2>me answer the first part of your question. They don't know,

893
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and neither do I. Like it's I talk to a

894
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>team this today actually this morning, where they were like,

895
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>my our feeling is an organization now on first round

896
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>picks is if you could go get the guy, go

897
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 2>get them, because having all your picks is it's okay.

898
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>But there's no you can't can't be bad for multiple

899
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>years in a row because there's all these kind of

900
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>bob what restrictions I guess for lack of a return,

901
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 2>but there's all these failsafs to make sure you can't

902
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>be in the top three so many years in a

903
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 2>row and all those things. So I talked to a

904
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.800
<v Speaker 2>team that was like, picks are whatever. I talked to

905
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 2>another team that's like, I don't want all my picks

906
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 2>in the trade. It used to be, yeah, I'll bet

907
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>against you being really good six seven years from now,

908
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>so six seven there, I did a cheap joke. But

909
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it is like, I'm gonna been against you because so yeah,

910
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I want three first or four first and swaps in between.

911
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Now they're like, I don't know what I want all

912
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>the picks from one team because if it does go

913
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 2>sideways on you, I can't maximize my value. I'd rather

914
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 2>have two picks from this team and a couple picks

915
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 2>here and all that. So that that was an interesting take,

916
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 2>And then like there is with other third teams. Thought

917
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 2>was like, still, they're like the best unknown value currency

918
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>we have in the NBA is first round pick could

919
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>be anything, right, it could be the number one pick,

920
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 2>it could be the thirtieth pick. It's a complete mystery box.

921
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 2>And the reality is NBA gms, even when they're great,

922
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 2>they are they're healthy egos. So it is I'm going

923
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 2>to trust we will do it better than you, and

924
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.679
<v Speaker 2>we know better than their partner they're trading with, and

925
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 2>it is you will make stupid mistakes that will make

926
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 2>your picks valuable if I'm trading you with players. So

927
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I believe, just like I believed when the new CBA

928
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.960
<v Speaker 2>came in, it takes two full transaction cycles for us

929
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to really have a handle on how things are working.

930
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So when I say a transaction cycle, that is an

931
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>off season followed by a trade deadline. So I think

932
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna take us a couple of years for everybody

933
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to feel like we kind of got this, which then

934
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 2>will be just in time for them to be like,

935
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:18.679
<v Speaker 2>out this system.

936
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 3>To change it. We're gonna change it again. Yeah, for

937
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 3>the credit system, do you?

938
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 1>And I guess I was worried about this when the

939
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 1>aprons were first implemented, and I don't know that we

940
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 1>saw it to a massive degree. But the uncertainty is

941
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>teams are trying to figure out and navigate, well, what

942
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 1>are about your first round picks?

943
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Now?

944
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Could it create relative quiet when it comes to these

945
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>bigger trades and then or does the next market inefficiency

946
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 1>become the willingness to trade your first round picks where

947
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 1>these teams that you might not have thought had to

948
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>access or the assets to go out and get these

949
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>guys are one of the few teams who are actively

950
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 1>willing to trade multiple first round picks right now. So

951
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it brings them within closer proximity to making those giant splashes.

952
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. In there this kind of goes back

953
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to and I think it's great that every front office

954
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 2>approaches this stuff differently. Where it is. There is a

955
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>like some who their belief is like, no, I want

956
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the certainty, give me the player, right, goes kind of

957
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 2>back to your Jaylen Williams question, Right, Like, I know

958
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>jaaln Williams is really good, so I want him over

959
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the uncertainty of what a draft pick might be like

960
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, go that way and there's it's And

961
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.880
<v Speaker 2>then there are ones who are like, Nope, like it,

962
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Like I believe I'll find wherever I pick in the draft,

963
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna land somebody who's awesome and maybe underdrafted. And

964
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, now, now we're sitting on a superstar plus

965
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 2>because there's no better value in the league than an

966
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>all star level guy on a rookie scale deal. So

967
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I I think there is. I think I think the

968
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 2>initial reaction will be a little bit of nope, got

969
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>to keep them right. I can't can't move fix like,

970
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 2>because that's just our natural reaction. Anything that's new is

971
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like you pull everything closer and keep it tighter too,

972
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 2>you just because you don't know what is happening here

973
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in this new new world with that. So so we'll see.

974
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.400
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm I'm super excited really starting now, right,

975
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>we're in draft Like we're still a week and a

976
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 2>half out or whatever it is now, but like we're

977
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>in draft window now, and like we're gonna start seeing

978
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>like who is valuing some of these things.

979
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I wanted to ask you, we now

980
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 1>just have a bunch of transaction cycles with the aprons,

981
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and we know what the aversion is gonna be.

982
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 3>The second apron. You now have the lottery uh reformation

983
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:33.360
<v Speaker 3>curve ball.

984
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 1>We know what we know too about what you need

985
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to make it through an entire season, which there are

986
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 1>many things to get into, but I think one of

987
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 1>the biggest things is it takes depth. Now, like the

988
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 1>top heavy teams and for the most part are just

989
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 1>not going to survive.

990
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

991
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Knowing all of that, do you think that there's been

992
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a there will be because we've yet to see it,

993
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 1>a shift in team building philosophies of I've I've speculated

994
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I've heard others speculated a lot of well,

995
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't do the three mac model anymore. And there's

996
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.199
<v Speaker 1>some that think, well, can you even really do the

997
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>two veteran max Let's say the fun maxes are a

998
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 1>little different. I've been waiting for a negotiation or a

999
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>player to be the inflection point for that. I thought

1000
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it might be Daron Fox or Jaron Jackson Junior last summer.

1001
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't.

1002
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Two those guys just basically got the deals that they

1003
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 1>were able to get in the renegotiating extent with Jaron

1004
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Jackson Jr. Do you think that type of correction is

1005
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.199
<v Speaker 1>coming or are we now deep enough in to say no,

1006
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>like teams aren't gonna fret too much about having the

1007
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 1>two veteran MAX type guys.

1008
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's when it comes down to telling

1009
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>a player, I'm not going to give you the max.

1010
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 2>There is an element of we were wrong in what

1011
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you are as a player and what you would grow

1012
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>into being. That is very hard for teams to admit to,

1013
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 2>for lack of a better term. So I think that

1014
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:58.280
<v Speaker 2>part probably won't change very much. I think there is

1015
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>still an idea of he can't pay everybody, but not

1016
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:06.519
<v Speaker 2>everybody's worth the MAX. But I still think we're seeing

1017
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 2>teams operate with no. If we have the guy and

1018
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 2>we feel he's a MAX guy, pay him, We're gonna

1019
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>pay him. So I think that's there. I think the

1020
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 2>other part of what we're gonna see. Is you you

1021
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>touched on it is? I've been cammering at this idea

1022
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 2>of you need one hundred games of depth if you're

1023
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna win an NBA title or contend for one. You

1024
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 2>gotta get through the regular season. We know the days

1025
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 2>of multiple guys playing eighty plus games, they're just gone.

1026
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 2>They're just not gonna and they're never gonna come back.

1027
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Like it's we everybody knows the season is too long

1028
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and too many games, but nobody, players and owners, nobody

1029
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 2>wants to give up the money that would come from

1030
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 2>taking away games. So everybody's Josh Hart said it better

1031
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>than anybody's, like, I don't want to take any less money.

1032
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So that means people got to sit out sometimes. So

1033
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that's what it is, right, It's kind of there. So

1034
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's on both sides, right, it's owners

1035
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and players there. So I think you're gonna see it

1036
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.559
<v Speaker 2>be you gotta get through. And then of course you

1037
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>have natural injuries, which I think is I think the

1038
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>silly thing about with a lot of this has gotten

1039
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 2>downplayed because you know how it is, anytime a guy

1040
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>misses a game, it's a load manager. It's like the

1041
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 2>dude's ankle was like, you know, like parallel to the

1042
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>floor like last night, like he rolled his ankle like

1043
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 2>he's legit hurt. Not everything is your load management when

1044
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 2>a player misses a game, So you.

1045
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Got tough it out on it the whole, the whole reaction.

1046
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Like Rick Flair I think encapsulated the best when he

1047
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 1>was complaining about Luca not being tough enough to play

1048
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>when he was dealing with the was that the cash

1049
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 1>strain that kept him out. It's like, these guys want

1050
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to play back, Like I don't think I've you've met

1051
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a few players maybe who didn't love what they do.

1052
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>When Andrew bidam at the question whether DeAndre Ayton likes basketball,

1053
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Sure these guys aren't making the decision to actively not play.

1054
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I find that entire type of analysis. So it's it's reductive.

1055
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just like factually inaccurate.

1056
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not right, and it's it's insulting, like it's

1057
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 2>really just not good. Like there's way more guys. Like

1058
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the famous story with the Celtics is like when they

1059
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 2>tell Jason Tatum, you're taking a load management day, He's like, no,

1060
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm playing Like I want to play. And

1061
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.519
<v Speaker 2>it's literally to the point where it's like we do

1062
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 2>not put a uniform anywhere near his locker room stall, Like,

1063
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 2>don't take his sneakers out of the traveling case, Like.

1064
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Like his code to get in the building doesn't even work.

1065
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably where it'll eventually get to. So it's yeah,

1066
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean the guys want to play there. Yeah, there's

1067
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>a handful of guys like you said that you could

1068
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>question it about. But with that so, but that's so

1069
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 2>you need the depth, right, you need all the depth.

1070
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I think what you're going to see is teams are

1071
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be more cutthroat on the idea of even

1072
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>non max guys. There's always been the sense of well,

1073
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 2>he's our guy, we know how he fits, just pay him.

1074
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I think those are gonna be the ones where it

1075
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.599
<v Speaker 2>is we're not going to do that. Now. On the

1076
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.199
<v Speaker 2>flip side, there's gonna be valuation says this is a

1077
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 2>fifteen million dollar player at twenty million, he's not a

1078
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:21.039
<v Speaker 2>bad contract and untradable, so let's just pay him twenty

1079
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>because then that gives us tradable salary for whatever the

1080
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>next trade is down the line. You're seeing some of

1081
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 2>that already happen as well.

1082
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's something you touch on.

1083
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>There is why I'm kind of fascinating to see what

1084
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>does Jalen Duran get a restricted freency or what does

1085
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 1>an Amens Thompson get as part of extend because he's

1086
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the only when you're looking at the rookie extension eligible

1087
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>players this year. Okay, Wemby five year escalator max done,

1088
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.559
<v Speaker 1>literally everyone else after him, Brandon Miller, Like they're all

1089
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 1>question marks.

1090
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:53.079
<v Speaker 3>It's what do you pay these guys? Is there anything?

1091
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else that you're like you personally are

1092
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.760
<v Speaker 1>just monitoring macro micro just heading in the offseason, trying

1093
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to see like what direction the league is headed in.

1094
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 2>We know them the big stuff because I think teams

1095
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 2>now have a pretty good sense of where they're at

1096
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.320
<v Speaker 2>with the aprons. And it's the other thing is too

1097
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 2>there's no overarching this is what your apron strategy needs

1098
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to be because for some teams it is who cares

1099
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.679
<v Speaker 2>about the second apron. We're never going into the tax,

1100
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't matter like the Indiana Pacers until they

1101
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>do it again. We just have to assume the tax

1102
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 2>is their de facto hardcap. The Pelicans have never paid

1103
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the tax. Until they do, I'm gonna assume the tax

1104
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 2>is their de facto hardcap. So but the teams that

1105
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>are working, like I think they have good plans for like, yeah,

1106
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.239
<v Speaker 2>we can go into the second apron for a year,

1107
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe two if we're really titled contenders, but after that

1108
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>it's time to reset and we got to relook at things.

1109
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 2>So it's really around the draft picks, like what's the

1110
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 2>value of the draft picks going to be? Where's it

1111
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 2>going to go? I think the draft process is a

1112
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:03.920
<v Speaker 2>whole hole, is super super interesting. Some of it's an

1113
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>NBA thing, some of it's a college thing. We saw

1114
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys withdraw from the draft this year.

1115
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 2>This draft is still really really good, and it's gonna

1116
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.039
<v Speaker 2>be really good players through probably the first five to

1117
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>ten picks in the second round. But then the depth

1118
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 2>of the draft when you get into the middle latter

1119
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.199
<v Speaker 2>part of the second round took a huge hit because

1120
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys were like borderline first round pick. Well,

1121
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, even if I squeak into the last pick

1122
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 2>of the first round, that's like three million bucks. I

1123
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 2>made five million next year staying in college, like I'll

1124
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>just come back and I'll play better, and then I'll

1125
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>be be the fifteenth pick and I'll get seven million,

1126
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, now, look how much better off I am.

1127
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>So that whole process is gonna be fascinating because eventually

1128
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>those guys run out of eligibility at some point, I mean,

1129
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 2>unless these kids keep suing everybody, and I'm I'm gonna

1130
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 2>go back to and figure out how I can get

1131
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 2>my eligibility back and try to play I don't know,

1132
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Division three or something. But like it's like, hey, it

1133
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 2>did that part really does fascinate me. I am really

1134
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 2>excited to see where, you know, kind of how does

1135
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.760
<v Speaker 2>all of that come together? But that's more of a

1136
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>now and like expanding out over the next few transaction cycles.

1137
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 2>What does that look like? And then last thing I'll

1138
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>say is the league super wide open? So why not? Right?

1139
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Why not go for it? I think there are a

1140
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 2>bunch of teams that are kind of like I thun

1141
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they're almost got beat in the finals, did get beat

1142
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 2>this year? Spurs probably not gonna win the title? Like

1143
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 2>all right, so they're good, Like, but why not us?

1144
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Why can't we beat them too? Yeah? That's what's best

1145
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>for the league. I think it's best for the league

1146
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 2>when we go and with the lottery reform, I am

1147
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I think they went too far. I don't think it

1148
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 2>was the problem they thought it was, But I think

1149
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>it's super interesting to what does it look like over

1150
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.199
<v Speaker 2>the next few years where teams have no incentive to

1151
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 2>be awful? Right? You you really you can't be right.

1152
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>You're like, like, it's gonna be really fun in March

1153
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:04.159
<v Speaker 2>in the beginning Party eight for watching a team be like,

1154
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 2>we're just trying to get to four. Man, Like, we

1155
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 2>gotta win these teams. We don't want to be three.

1156
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.559
<v Speaker 2>We want to get to four. So so we have

1157
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the extra ping pong ball because we've never seen that. Right,

1158
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.880
<v Speaker 2>it's been by the time your post trade deadline, it's like,

1159
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 2>all right, the Magic are playing the Wizards tonight because

1160
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>it's the top nine guys in the Wizards rotation aren't playing.

1161
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 2>We all understand why, but yeah, it's gonna be a

1162
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun.

1163
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1164
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 1>The one on intended consequence of the lottery format, as

1165
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I've wondered, because you they're worried about you can't have

1166
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 1>a top five pick. What is it in three consecutive years, right,

1167
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 1>and you can't win the first overall pick twice yea

1168
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>is next year is considered a down draft, right? Could

1169
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there be teams that prefer to be in the bottom

1170
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.840
<v Speaker 1>three so they lower their chance of getting number one

1171
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>that year because they're planning on being bad the following year.

1172
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's one of the nerdy things I'm tracking.

1173
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 1>But Keith, this was fantastic. Thank you so much for

1174
00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 1>coming on. Can you just tell everyone where they could

1175
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:00.559
<v Speaker 1>find you and all the great stuff that you do?

1176
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and find out my written market spot track dot com.

1177
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm deep into off season preview stuff right now. I

1178
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.920
<v Speaker 2>think we've got eighteen team off season previews posts and

1179
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the rest of them will be coming fast and furious

1180
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>here over the next couple of weeks. We are not

1181
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>trying to hit by the start of the NBA Draft.

1182
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a crazy person. We try to hit by

1183
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the start of the actual off season. My rookie scale

1184
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 2>extension projection piece post and that's always a popular one

1185
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:28.039
<v Speaker 2>every year. And then I'm gonna have free agent previews coming.

1186
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.599
<v Speaker 2>We do. We still do them by the traditional positions

1187
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 2>because most people still think point guard, shooting guard, small forward,

1188
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Power Forward Center. So we're gonna out preview those with

1189
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 2>rankings and an overall top fifty ranking and then this

1190
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 2>stuff happens. Now I'll be breaking it down on the

1191
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 2>site and on our show, NBA Front Office Show with

1192
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Trevor Lane and I Every Friday is a live show,

1193
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and then we do live shows whenever a massive transaction. Man,

1194
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 2>So whenever Giannis does get traded as quickly as we

1195
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 2>can get in front of my.

1196
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Crope, what are you gonna do if he doesn't get traded?

1197
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 3>This is like this all anti climact that we do

1198
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:02.559
<v Speaker 3>it for the next subcard.

1199
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Somebody.

1200
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Keith, thank you so much once again, and

1201
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 1>rest the shortage.

1202
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:10.880
<v Speaker 3>You know by now I'll be pestering you again in

1203
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 3>the future.

1204
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me.
