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Speaker 4: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 1: So all right, roll it.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Bobs?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's go on, Cliff, It's all right, It's all right,
Speaker 3: So far, so good. Been a busy day already. Not
Speaker 3: much Bigfoot stuff happening today necessarily, although the shop isn't
Speaker 3: very busy lately. Been just got a new display up,
Speaker 3: kind of a smaller one. Remember back in the day,
Speaker 3: this is early two thousands. I know you'll remember this, Bobo,
Speaker 3: but John Green was offering one hundred thousand dollars on
Speaker 3: anybody who could replicate the footprints that he personally observed
Speaker 3: back in the late fifties early sixties. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: that to particular his challenge, his written challenge. It was
Speaker 3: donated to the museum by the Willow Creek Museum. So
Speaker 3: I got a scan of it and we printed that
Speaker 3: out and put it up in our entry way in
Speaker 3: the museum so people can come read about the stuff
Speaker 3: that John Green personally saw and was willing to give
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars away if somebody could replicate footprints
Speaker 3: under the same conditions showing the same features. A hat written, No,
Speaker 3: this one is typed. This was typed. It was official.
Speaker 3: It was definitely official. So then, of course, needless to say,
Speaker 3: nobody ever collected it. That's not to say hoaxes don't happen,
Speaker 3: of course, but nobody ever collected it.
Speaker 5: Okay, hold, I like, what are we doing right now?
Speaker 5: Is this members or is this the main episode?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: This is the intro for the main episode.
Speaker 5: Okay. At first of all, I was doing hymns out.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, what.
Speaker 3: Was it night yet?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, so both We're coming up on the end
Speaker 3: of the month here that if I remember correctly, don't
Speaker 3: you have to be in out of your place and
Speaker 3: in a new place by August first?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, we uh, we were out of here. Well,
Speaker 5: actually they gave me till the fourth. My walkthrough is
Speaker 5: on the fourth because it's the weekend. The first is Friday.
Speaker 5: We can't move in the new place until then, so
Speaker 5: like they're just going to refurbish it, you know, they're
Speaker 5: going to strip this place and read you the whole
Speaker 5: things like it's not it doesn't matter. Then if I'm
Speaker 5: not here over the weekend, they're not going to do
Speaker 5: anything with it anyway, So that takes some of the
Speaker 5: pressure off. Then we did a pre moved plan party Saturday.
Speaker 5: Crew Tou was out of town, so I had some
Speaker 5: of the boys come or they were going to help
Speaker 5: help move. So we uh watched UFC and kicked out
Speaker 5: some steaks and had a good time.
Speaker 2: Have you been nesting in your man cave? Dude?
Speaker 5: The man cave? I think it's getting freaking ruined. The
Speaker 5: new place. It's a one her garage and crew just
Speaker 5: bought that electric car and now she wants to park
Speaker 5: it in the garage to charge at which I get.
Speaker 5: Then she's got this big jogging machine whatever treadmill, and
Speaker 5: then an elliptical machine, and like, dude, it's like going
Speaker 5: to fill the whole thing like full. So that was
Speaker 5: gonna be my man cave.
Speaker 2: This cannot stand.
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like you wouldn't stand. You'd be on
Speaker 3: the elliptical machine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe not the worst thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the picture, all the imagine, all the exercise will
Speaker 3: be getting by hanging out in your own man cave.
Speaker 3: So you're probably in the midst of packing everything up
Speaker 3: at this moment.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Oh, well, crew is donepack and I still got to pack.
Speaker 5: I'm shocked.
Speaker 3: Okay, So her stuff is all in boxes and taking
Speaker 3: her stuff's taken care of, and yours is waiting to
Speaker 3: be taken care of.
Speaker 5: I got some trash bags and then just throw stuff
Speaker 5: in there in a good role.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, then I boxed. I boxed all my
Speaker 5: books up and got those into the storage unit cause
Speaker 5: we got a climate controls storage unit. I keep most
Speaker 5: of my books and stuff, and they are a lot
Speaker 5: of camping gear and chainsaws and malls and gas jugs
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Gas jugs in a storage unit, Yep.
Speaker 5: They like them in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you like them in there in case it does
Speaker 3: go up there's no evidence left.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I keep the empty ones in there.
Speaker 3: Maybe by the end of August, you'll be all situated
Speaker 3: in a new house, have a new office area, scanner,
Speaker 3: all going, podcast station, new life, new bobs. That's the
Speaker 3: hoe nice, that's cool. Are you going to be working
Speaker 3: back at the school that's coming year? Do you think
Speaker 3: or no, yep, I'm going back.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Once they get you, it's hard to let go.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't be that hard to let go.
Speaker 3: Okay, before we hop into our guest today, I want
Speaker 3: everybody to know that I'm going to be out in Ohio.
Speaker 3: This coming weekend, August seventh through tenth is the Hawking
Speaker 3: Hills Bigfoot Festival. It's going to be at the Vinton
Speaker 3: County Fairgrounds in MacArthur, Ohio. I think most of the
Speaker 3: events actually free, which is kind of cool. I think
Speaker 3: you had to pay maybe see the speakers or something.
Speaker 3: But there's tons of vendors. There's gonna be like a
Speaker 3: night hike. Apparently Tom Powell's going to be out there,
Speaker 3: a lot of other bigfoot folks, Charlie I know, Charlie
Speaker 3: Raymond and Steve Coles are going to be out there,
Speaker 3: some various podcasters. It should be a really, really good time.
Speaker 3: And of course this is the third or fourth year
Speaker 3: of the event, and it's ridiculous. Every year it keeps
Speaker 3: growing and growing and growing. It's grown so much actually,
Speaker 3: they've had to move it to a new location, which
Speaker 3: is why it's gonna be at the Fairgrounds of Vinton
Speaker 3: County Fairgrounds in MacArthur, Ohio this coming weekend. Come on
Speaker 3: out and say hi, Come on out and say whatever
Speaker 3: you want to me. If you're a pigeon, you can
Speaker 3: go at me and I'll do it right back at you.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a good time. Hopefully I'll see
Speaker 3: you out there. But speaking of Ohio, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and talk to our guests today. Of course, we have
Speaker 3: a return visitor today. Are at the Lovely Intellent, Mark
Speaker 3: Dwerth from out in Ohio. He's the organizer of the
Speaker 3: Ohio Bigfoot Conference and a bunch of other stuff. He's
Speaker 3: a regular speaker at local events and libraries near him.
Speaker 3: He's out in the woods all the time because of
Speaker 3: his living, of course, and what let's just jump right
Speaker 3: into it. Mark, how are you doing today?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 3: Mark?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Bobs?
Speaker 2: How are you good?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 5: Thanks?
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the show again. Mark. Has been
Speaker 3: a couple of years now, I think since we've had
Speaker 3: you on. I think what's new out in Ohio?
Speaker 1: Oh? Just the weather? I mean, it's been an amazing
Speaker 1: year here in Ohio. We had a very average normal
Speaker 1: winter which led into a very very kind of a
Speaker 1: traditional old time spring where we had lots and lots
Speaker 1: of rain going out throughout all of spring, and a
Speaker 1: very few of those really warm weekends or weekdays during
Speaker 1: spring that we've been having over the last five six years.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people were quite unhappy that
Speaker 1: there wasn't super warm weather in the spring. But then
Speaker 1: as summer rolled around in mid July, we started hitting
Speaker 1: in the nineties again, and you know, then not getting rain.
Speaker 1: And now we're like in what I would say the
Speaker 1: dog days this summer, where it seems like every evening
Speaker 1: there's a chance of a thunderstorm somewhere around and it
Speaker 1: might rain here, might rain there, And so of course
Speaker 1: it spikes the humidities and then you have a lot
Speaker 1: of humidity in the air. No, everything's doing good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't be happier on this year.
Speaker 3: Well, you pretty much have your thumb on the pulse
Speaker 3: of the Bigfoot thing out in Ohio in general. Do
Speaker 3: you notice any correlation between any of these weather patterns
Speaker 3: that you're talking about and sasquatch reports. And I only
Speaker 3: bring that up because Moneymaker, when he lived out in Ohio,
Speaker 3: he would comment about these real, real hot days and
Speaker 3: how he thought that that changed the behaviors of the
Speaker 3: sasquatches and where they chose to hang out.
Speaker 1: Well, I would most definitely agree. What we find in
Speaker 1: Ohio is that if you get these real long, hot
Speaker 1: stretches of summer that depletes the water sources in the
Speaker 1: small creeks and any little feeders to any of the rivers,
Speaker 1: it forces all the larger mammals and everything to get
Speaker 1: closer to the rivers and lakes, which of course, in
Speaker 1: turn is going to force the bigfoots to do the
Speaker 1: same thing, especially if they're hunting deer and turkeys in
Speaker 1: different other wildlife that the state has to offer. So yeah,
Speaker 1: most definitely the heat the summer can play a big
Speaker 1: role in determining where they're going to be located at.
Speaker 1: And like last year when we had that big drought
Speaker 1: for about three weeks, I mean, if we did get
Speaker 1: any sighting reports, there were always by a big body
Speaker 1: of water.
Speaker 5: That's hilarious. You guys had a three week drought.
Speaker 2: I'm just not here.
Speaker 5: We'll be talking to years out here. It's just funny
Speaker 5: hearing from Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the funny thing is is that we did
Speaker 1: have a three week drought, but I mean the whole
Speaker 1: rest of the of the year, especially previously to that drought,
Speaker 1: we had tons of water. So where we truly in
Speaker 1: a drought, No, we just had a three week period
Speaker 1: where we weren't getting any rain.
Speaker 3: So a lot of these dammed up rivers. Something I've
Speaker 3: noticed out here for a number of years, and I
Speaker 3: don't know why, if there's a correlation, or if there's
Speaker 3: even a real strong correlation, but it's just something I've
Speaker 3: kind of picked up, I guess over the years, is
Speaker 3: that a lot of siding reports come from right underneath
Speaker 3: reservoirs that are dammed up for whatever reason. I don't
Speaker 3: know if if it's because those river valleys underneath the
Speaker 3: reservoirs are pretty deep and you know, not a lot
Speaker 3: of people go into them because they're focused on the
Speaker 3: lake themselves, or what. Do you see that same sort
Speaker 3: of thing out in Ohio?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely, because when the reservoirs were created,
Speaker 1: they were created to make a deep fishing or boating
Speaker 1: or recreation type lake. And yes, all those little feeders
Speaker 1: that are feeding in on all the different sides, they
Speaker 1: become kind of just left, you know, left to left
Speaker 1: a pasture, and no one goes around there anymore because
Speaker 1: they're too busy up on the main body of waters.
Speaker 1: So yeah, most definitely. And plus I mean, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how it is up by by you guys,
Speaker 1: but I truly feel that the bigfoots in Ohio, they
Speaker 1: definitely follow those dry creek beds are the semi wet
Speaker 1: creek beds to and from food source.
Speaker 3: So when you talk about the food sources, have you
Speaker 3: personally observed with your own eyes signs of sasquatch foraging
Speaker 3: and can you describe them if you have?
Speaker 1: You know? And when I say foraging, I had a
Speaker 1: report back in nineteen ninety six. It was it was
Speaker 1: the winner of ninety six. It was over in Columbiana County,
Speaker 1: which is east central Ohio, and it was pretty close
Speaker 1: to an air area where there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: sighting reports. There was a bunch of vocalizations recorded and
Speaker 1: things like that. And I happened to decide to go
Speaker 1: down below this property why some other investigators were still
Speaker 1: talking with the witnesses, because I noticed there was a
Speaker 1: small trailer on the property below this property that set
Speaker 1: up on this big knoll. And when I went and
Speaker 1: talked to the lady of the property and I just simply,
Speaker 1: you know, if she had seen any prowlers around in
Speaker 1: the summer. And of course she said, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw that, sob and I told him to get off
Speaker 1: my property and I was going to shoot him with
Speaker 1: my gun. And I go, really, I go, what did
Speaker 1: he say? She goes, he just growled and walked away.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what do you mean growl? She goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of just made like a growl sound, and
Speaker 1: he turned in when he left. He didn't leave my
Speaker 1: property toward the road. He went back into the woods.
Speaker 1: But she had no clue. But anyways, I got permission
Speaker 1: to take a look around on her property, and lo
Speaker 1: and behold, we were back on this one section and
Speaker 1: there was snow on the ground because this was February,
Speaker 1: and there was an area maybe about twelve foot diameter
Speaker 1: of an area where there was deer here, hair spread everywhere,
Speaker 1: like in this strange circular pattern. And as we were
Speaker 1: looking around, it's like, well, where are the bones, where's
Speaker 1: the body? We couldn't find anything. And then lo and behold,
Speaker 1: I see like a hoof sticking out under a like
Speaker 1: some briar bushes, and when I went to put my
Speaker 1: hand on the hoof to thinking I was just going
Speaker 1: to pull the hoof itself out, it was the whole deer.
Speaker 1: And I ended up pulling three deer from out underneath
Speaker 1: this brier patch. They were all frozen solid. The only
Speaker 1: thing wrong with them where their backs were snapped, and
Speaker 1: it was almost like these things were they were being
Speaker 1: stored underneath these briers in the snow, and that whatever
Speaker 1: had eaten whatever I mean, I'm going to say this
Speaker 1: was a deer that was eating because it was it
Speaker 1: was obviously deer hair that they were obviously having a
Speaker 1: feeding at this location, and it was just right below
Speaker 1: the property that was having all these sightings in all
Speaker 1: these vocalizations, so I assumed that that was a bigfoot
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 3: As far as feeding on the deer, kind of what
Speaker 3: parts of the deer seemed fed.
Speaker 1: Upon, well, the three frozen deers, the only thing noticeable
Speaker 1: on there were their backs. Spines were like literally snapped
Speaker 1: tongues hanging out, but they had they did not touch
Speaker 1: anything on these three deer. The deer that had been consumed,
Speaker 1: judging by all the hair that was there, we could
Speaker 1: not find anything like. There were no bones scattered, nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just a totally circular, twelve foot diameter, circular
Speaker 1: pattern of deer hair spread all over the place like
Speaker 1: something had been eating. And so we presumed there was
Speaker 1: another deer that was taken and that they had eaten
Speaker 1: this one, and that maybe the critters came along and
Speaker 1: cleaned up the mess.
Speaker 3: So that this might be. Maybe you didn't notice at
Speaker 3: the time, maybe it did. When you say the back
Speaker 3: was broken on these three deer, were they broken in
Speaker 3: about the same spot or could he describe how the
Speaker 3: back was broken?
Speaker 1: I would say from the base of the neck to
Speaker 1: the to the backbone itself. It was roughly about six
Speaker 1: inches back and it was very consistent on all three
Speaker 1: of them. It looked like something got their hands on
Speaker 1: it and literally just snapped the spine.
Speaker 5: Very interesting.
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Speaker 3: So, anything else happening in Ohio recently that any recent
Speaker 3: reports you've been able to follow upon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there has been a some sightings in east central
Speaker 1: Ohio over in like Columbiana and Jefferson County. The reports
Speaker 1: were a couple of them were of bigfoots crossing the
Speaker 1: road in front of cars at dusk. Another one was
Speaker 1: along the Buckeye Trail, which is a trail system that
Speaker 1: goes all throughout the greater state of Ohio. It goes
Speaker 1: around like a big circle around the state. And it
Speaker 1: was hikers on the Buckeye Trail had what they saw
Speaker 1: in a rainstorm, they heard some movement in front of them.
Speaker 1: They spooked out what they said was a large hair
Speaker 1: cover creature. Obviously it was raining quite hard with lightning
Speaker 1: and thunder and they obviously they kind of walked up
Speaker 1: pretty close to it. It must have not heard them
Speaker 1: coming because of all the storming, and it spooked the thing.
Speaker 1: The thing crossed the trail and quickly went up a
Speaker 1: hill side up an embankment, out of site, very quickly.
Speaker 1: But it scared them to the point where instead of
Speaker 1: continuing going straight, they went the mile back to where
Speaker 1: their car was parked because they didn't want to continue.
Speaker 1: And that happened. Oh, that was just about a month ago.
Speaker 3: And how did you hear about that?
Speaker 1: I heard about it because I was doing some work
Speaker 1: with someone that maintains the Buckeye Trail in the state,
Speaker 1: and he happened to see I had a bigfoot shirt
Speaker 1: on and he's like, oh, wow, cool, he said he
Speaker 1: was bigfoot. I said, yeah, I said, there's been settings
Speaker 1: around the Buckeye trade. He goes, oh, you heard about
Speaker 1: that one. I go, what are you talking about? There's
Speaker 1: the one that happened a few weeks ago over near
Speaker 1: in Harrison County. I don't want to say the name
Speaker 1: of the name of the lake. And I said, oh, really,
Speaker 1: tell me more. And you know, he sat down and
Speaker 1: we talked in he got me in contact with the
Speaker 1: people that actually had the sighting, and and yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny because people do talk about it
Speaker 1: along that trail, but most people talk about it in
Speaker 1: a very jokingly fashion. I it's just you know, bs,
Speaker 1: there's nothing true about it. There were three witnesses on
Speaker 1: this that saw this thing, and you know, obviously it
Speaker 1: was quite large in sizing. It had scared them out
Speaker 1: of there. And you know, people that hiked the Buckeye Trail,
Speaker 1: especially that section of the state, they're not I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call them wimpy hikers because it's pretty rugged out there.
Speaker 3: Now, you have a you have a job of course
Speaker 3: that kind of puts you out in the woods all
Speaker 3: the time. You're interested in large trees in the area,
Speaker 3: and you're doing some surveys from an understand that that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. When you're out in the woods surveying
Speaker 3: these trees and recording them and what and whatnot. How
Speaker 3: often do you either encounter sign of sasquatches or stories
Speaker 3: of sasquatch from save property owners? And how do you
Speaker 3: get that how do you get that information without you know,
Speaker 3: like scaring the witnesses off.
Speaker 1: You know, and typically what it is is that you
Speaker 1: know me, I'm so excited about the tree for our
Speaker 1: trees for example, that I just literally go, you know,
Speaker 1: hog wild on these properties, you know, evaluating their trees
Speaker 1: and everything like that. But I typically I like to
Speaker 1: wear bigfoot shirts when I'm out in the woods. So
Speaker 1: I might have an NABC shirt, I might have an
Speaker 1: Ohio Bigfoot conference. I might have a you know, a
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Beyond pick. And of course then I get
Speaker 1: these property owners. They'll say, hey, I noticed your your
Speaker 1: shirt and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's cool. And
Speaker 1: he goes, oh they have museums like that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah. And I tell him about it and
Speaker 1: everything like that. And then then of course they get
Speaker 1: around to saying, hey do you do you really think
Speaker 1: these things are are legitimate? And I look at him,
Speaker 1: I said, well yeah, I said, I I pretty much
Speaker 1: can guarantee you they exist. And he they look at me,
Speaker 1: they goes, well, just so you know, my brother who
Speaker 1: lives over you know, over in tim Buck too. Let's
Speaker 1: say he likes to come and hunt my property and
Speaker 1: and you know, and when I when he was up
Speaker 1: in his tree stand, you know, he comes, you know,
Speaker 1: comes back a couple hours later, he looks as white
Speaker 1: as a ghost. I said, what's going on? He said,
Speaker 1: And what's going on? What's wrong with you? He goes,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna believe what I saw. And he, you know, explains,
Speaker 1: you know, this huge eight nine foot tall bigfoot, you know,
Speaker 1: walking within twenty feet of his stand and even seeing
Speaker 1: them up in the stand like he knew he was there,
Speaker 1: and it scared the guy to death. And you know,
Speaker 1: and he said, I used to make fun of my
Speaker 1: brother about it all the time, not believing him because
Speaker 1: I never heard any stories. And he goes, after talking
Speaker 1: to me, he's going to take it more seriously. And
Speaker 1: that's just one of them. That was over in Kashoktan County.
Speaker 1: Then I had one where over I believe it or not,
Speaker 1: in northwest Ohio, like up near Defiance, which is like
Speaker 1: in the flatlands of the state farmland where you know,
Speaker 1: a woman and her husband and I was on the land,
Speaker 1: said yeah, you know, two or three years ago, you know,
Speaker 1: we were coming up to this Blanchard River area over here,
Speaker 1: and there were five very discernible, five toed footprints when
Speaker 1: came up on the bank of the of the river.
Speaker 1: And then it went back down into the river and
Speaker 1: she said there, Yeah, there are five tracks there, and
Speaker 1: you know they were probably you know, fifteen sixteen inches
Speaker 1: in size, and so yeah, I mean I do get
Speaker 1: I do get people commenting all the time, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, people are seeing things, they just don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it or they don't know who to
Speaker 1: talk to about it.
Speaker 3: It seems like the general attitude in Bigfoot has changed
Speaker 3: a lot over the last fifteen years, where people are
Speaker 3: becoming more and more comfortable speaking about encounters. But do
Speaker 3: you think that Ohio is maybe lagging a bit in
Speaker 3: there because it is a Midwestern state, I think, technically right,
Speaker 3: and people don't expect sasquatches to be in Ohio.
Speaker 1: You know, I could say yes and no, but I
Speaker 1: think that because of the conferences like the Ohio Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Conference and some of the other events in Ohio, I
Speaker 1: think the public awareness has gone up to a point
Speaker 1: where now it's over saturated, which now to me leads
Speaker 1: leads to having should I say, highly diluted data. And
Speaker 1: because you know, and I'm sure you see it all
Speaker 1: the time, Cliff Bobo, you guys see this all the
Speaker 1: time where people want everything to be a bigot, and
Speaker 1: when they get the bigfoot pill in them, that's all
Speaker 1: they think that everything's legitimately a bigfoot and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that has to tell them it isn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously sometimes they're not happy, but it's
Speaker 1: to their benefit. But you know, I would have to
Speaker 1: say it's in Ohio. People are a little bit more
Speaker 1: acceptable than they were, say twenty years ago. But there's
Speaker 1: still the skeptics, of course, and I hope there are
Speaker 1: because I think we need skeptics.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when you say highly diluted data just because it's
Speaker 3: a lot of wishful thinking, is that what you mean
Speaker 3: by that? Mostly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people think everything they that has happened
Speaker 1: around them is bigfoot. And they're claiming these tree structures
Speaker 1: are bigfoots. They're claiming this sounds a big foot, yet
Speaker 1: they didn't record it. They're claiming that the overlapping bear
Speaker 1: tracks are bigfoot tracks. Because all they're waiting for is
Speaker 1: for one so called bigfoot investigator to say that he
Speaker 1: thinks they're bigfoot tracks. So they just go from investigator
Speaker 1: to investigator to investigor until they get what they want.
Speaker 1: And I hate deluded data. I'd rather have a data
Speaker 1: set of fifteen great reports than a thousand reports where
Speaker 1: five are only good in the rest or garbage.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's one of the things that's always
Speaker 3: really I guess pushed you touch upon something here that
Speaker 3: has always put Ohio in the forefront of bigfoot research,
Speaker 3: and that's the sheer number of bigfoot researchers in Ohio.
Speaker 3: I mean when people look at say the BFROO database,
Speaker 3: or you know, any of the online databases. I know,
Speaker 3: when they come in the museum, they're very often quick
Speaker 3: to point out that Ohio has a whole lot of reports.
Speaker 3: And of course that has to not only correlate with
Speaker 3: the number of sasquatches and people overlapping in their similar habitat,
Speaker 3: but also the number of bigfoot researchers willing to listen
Speaker 3: and record. I think that's probably still true even with
Speaker 3: the proliferation of the subject through you know, all the
Speaker 3: all the various places in the United States and North America,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But Ohio just has a ton of researchers
Speaker 3: who are out there quite often. Do you think that
Speaker 3: that trend is continuing or you think other states are
Speaker 3: catching up or what do you think's going on there?
Speaker 1: Well, I think Ohio as long as I've been in
Speaker 1: this field, I initially got in, did my first interview
Speaker 1: with a witness in nineteen eighty nine, kind of got
Speaker 1: active in the research per se in ninety two, then
Speaker 1: started researching with Don Keating in ninety five and it
Speaker 1: went crazy. But even back then, there was a good
Speaker 1: amount of bigfoot researchers, even in the mid nineties in Ohio.
Speaker 1: And it continues, you know, obviously to this day that
Speaker 1: we have a trend of lots of small groups of
Speaker 1: bigfoot people going out doing their own thing. They have
Speaker 1: their own social media presence, and they are obviously like promoting,
Speaker 1: promoting awareness and everything like that. So yeah, we continually
Speaker 1: have interest in this state. Some states don't have hardly
Speaker 1: any at all, and I'm not sure why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things about Ohio. I guess
Speaker 3: that really, like I said, puts it in the forefront
Speaker 3: of this bigfoot research thing. But also, it can't just
Speaker 3: be a sociological thing. It can't just be a demographic thing.
Speaker 3: But there's people who are interested in it, there has
Speaker 3: to be something else about it. What is it about Ohio?
Speaker 3: In general. That makes it so conducive for sasquatches and.
Speaker 1: Resar and I think, and I call Ohio it's broken
Speaker 1: up in four sections. You have the northeast part of Ohio,
Speaker 1: which is where I live, that's going to be somewhat wooded.
Speaker 1: As it goes to the toward Pennsylvania, gets more wooded,
Speaker 1: more swamp land, a lot of water, a lot of green,
Speaker 1: and as you get farther east toward Pennsylvania, a lot
Speaker 1: less population. Then you go southeast to Ohio, which is
Speaker 1: your kind of your Appalachia foothills, which obviously heavily wooded,
Speaker 1: lots of reservoirs, lots of water, lots of deer, everything
Speaker 1: like that. And then you have southwest Ohio, it's going
Speaker 1: to be those big sprawling river valleys that feed the
Speaker 1: Ohio River that have lots of agriculture mixed with rolling
Speaker 1: hills in heavy forest. And then of course you have
Speaker 1: northwest Ohios which is the old Black Swamp, which is
Speaker 1: oak and hickory savannahs which were like open plain growing
Speaker 1: trees with massive amounts of swampland and just soil so
Speaker 1: fertile that anything can grow in it. And so it's
Speaker 1: kind of a strange state. How you can go around
Speaker 1: the whole thing and get all four things. Well, then
Speaker 1: we got Lake Erie on the top, Ohio River on
Speaker 1: the bottom. I mean, the one thing for sure with
Speaker 1: Ohio is why we have so many reports is we
Speaker 1: get a ton of rainfall. We have a ton of water.
Speaker 1: We have a ton of oak hickory type forests that
Speaker 1: produce masts on the forest floor to feed everything. Bigfoots
Speaker 1: like eating deer an other small game. If there's food
Speaker 1: on the floor for them to eat, there's still going
Speaker 1: to be around. The bigfoots are going to take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. And then of course, you know, then of
Speaker 1: course you just have the unbelievable lack of natural predators.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we have lots of cougars
Speaker 1: in the state. We might have a few in the
Speaker 1: southeast section. We don't have packs of wolves. Our biggest
Speaker 1: predator might be some packs of coyotes, and they're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to take down a healthy deer.
Speaker 1: They can take down the week and old ones, but
Speaker 1: not like big feet can. So I think it's just
Speaker 1: that perfect combination of everything that gives the big fits
Speaker 1: the perfect type of habitat and being at the foothills
Speaker 1: of the city of the Allegheny's appalachis whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. Most of the food grows down on
Speaker 1: those lower levels as opposed up in the high higher altitude.
Speaker 1: So you just we just have a lot to offer.
Speaker 1: But Ohio, our deer population is insane and it's quite
Speaker 1: it's we have some monster bucks all throughout this state.
Speaker 1: And and and like I say, just for the years
Speaker 1: and years of not having a lot of natural predators.
Speaker 1: I mean, the deer are huge here. I mean we
Speaker 1: have we have state and world records here.
Speaker 5: How big are the big white tails in Ohio? You know,
Speaker 5: like the big bugs.
Speaker 1: I know, Coyote was telling me some of them are
Speaker 1: dressing out two hundred and fifty pounds. Oh geez, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and some non there's a non typical that
Speaker 1: was taken over in like northwest Ohio and the farm country.
Speaker 1: It I mean, it's it's booming. Crockets scores like a
Speaker 1: world record. And if you just google it Ohio, like
Speaker 1: world record deer, you'll see and and I mean this
Speaker 1: hunting season, this or the last hunting season that happened,
Speaker 1: I'm always seeing I'm following people and they're taking sixteen
Speaker 1: eighteen twenty twenty two point bucks with huge wide racks
Speaker 1: on them, you know, dressing out the deer one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty one hundred ninety two hundred, two hundred ten pounds,
Speaker 1: big big deer. And you know, like I say, the
Speaker 1: big deer live long when they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of predators to work, you know, to worry about.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, I
Speaker 3: have a couple of questions of historical stuff in Ohio,
Speaker 3: and that's because you know, obviously Sasquatches being regular old
Speaker 3: animals that their habitat driven, you know they're going to
Speaker 3: be found in appropriate habitat. And I'm assuming that most
Speaker 3: of the reports in Ohio come from the eastern part
Speaker 3: of the states, the state rather and probably increasing a
Speaker 3: little bit to the south as well, when you get
Speaker 3: down to those particular areas, you know, the bordering West
Speaker 3: Virginia and all that sort of stuff down there. And
Speaker 3: there's probably only a few reports I'm guessing from the
Speaker 3: northwest corner, but as of now, about thirty or a
Speaker 3: little a little bit more than thirty percent of Ohio
Speaker 3: is forested. A little pre research getting ready for the interview,
Speaker 3: I found that at some point because of deforestation, I
Speaker 3: think that it peaked in the nineteen forties. Only twelve
Speaker 3: percent of the state was forested at that time, like
Speaker 3: in the nineteen forties, at some point early nineteen forties.
Speaker 3: So now we've had sixty seventy eighty years of regrowth.
Speaker 3: Can you see any reflection of that in the sighting reports,
Speaker 3: like perhaps in the eighteen hundreds that were more than
Speaker 3: the first half of the twentieth century it dropped off,
Speaker 3: or can you see any evidence of that in sighting
Speaker 3: reports or has it been pretty steady for all this time.
Speaker 1: No, it's most definitely had the effect I think at
Speaker 1: the top of the nineteen hundreds, nineteen oh nine, nineteen ten,
Speaker 1: because they were cutting down all the trees for the
Speaker 1: furnaces down in southern Ohio to burn. And I think
Speaker 1: what got to the point by the forties the deer
Speaker 1: population there used to be elk in our state and
Speaker 1: everything was gone. There was hardly anything. And it's weird because,
Speaker 1: as you know, the good thing with Ohio is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people with a lot of money that
Speaker 1: lived here at one point of their lives that left
Speaker 1: endowments to preserve parks, preserve you know, forested lands, valleys,
Speaker 1: things like that, waterways. So over the years, and with
Speaker 1: some a broad scope objective to bring Ohio's forests back,
Speaker 1: you know, say starting in the forties. By nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we were starting to get a
Speaker 1: lot more forest cover. And like Cliff you said that
Speaker 1: the forest covers twelve percent in nineteen forty, it was
Speaker 1: probably down to six or seven percent in like nineteen ten,
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, so it was almost totally gone. So when
Speaker 1: you take all that forest away, you take all the
Speaker 1: game away, you talk any predators away. If there were
Speaker 1: any bigfoots around, they would have to isolate themselves in
Speaker 1: those small pockets, and even that might be risky. So
Speaker 1: I think we had a time period where there was
Speaker 1: hardly anything until about the late sixties early seventies. And
Speaker 1: it kind of kind of correlates with when deer started
Speaker 1: coming back into human eye. Like in the seventies, if
Speaker 1: you saw a couple of white tailed deer that was
Speaker 1: considered huge, like, oh my god, I saw it. Saw
Speaker 1: two deer. Now they come up to you and stalk
Speaker 1: you as you're walking your neighborhood. So there's so many
Speaker 1: of them. So yes, the forest cover has been huge
Speaker 1: for bringing back bigfoot population numbers, citing report numbers, you know.
Speaker 1: And like one thing that I always thought was when
Speaker 1: I first met Don Keating in ninety five, ninety four,
Speaker 1: ninety five. I mean I talked to him on the
Speaker 1: phone before, but meeting them in person, and what really
Speaker 1: kind of shocked me was the fact that all the
Speaker 1: the majority of the bigfoot sightings in our state, you
Speaker 1: could literally correlate them to the number of deer taken
Speaker 1: in deer season by the counties. So the most reports
Speaker 1: were coming where the most deer were taken. So the
Speaker 1: bigfoots like us wanting to hunt deer, were also hunting
Speaker 1: the deer too, And it was you know, obviously showing
Speaker 1: them the statistics that that's what they were doing. They
Speaker 1: were following water, shelter, food source, and that part of
Speaker 1: east central Ohio was the place to for sure that
Speaker 1: had the most of it at the time.
Speaker 3: A lot of people forget because we're we're trapped in
Speaker 3: our modern day society and whatever else but people forget
Speaker 3: that Ohio was once the frontier, you know. I meaney,
Speaker 3: over ninety percent of the state was forced at one time.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a tremendous amount. And people would move
Speaker 3: out to the wild West, and at that time that
Speaker 3: was Ohio, you know, So it was just a resource
Speaker 3: rich area. Now we mentioned deer in general, you also
Speaker 3: mentioned sasquatches seeking small animals and whatnot to eat as well.
Speaker 3: What kind of vegetables so to speak, resources are there
Speaker 3: from tree like nuts and fruits, like what kind of
Speaker 3: wild things are growing out there for sasquatches to take
Speaker 3: advantage of acorns galore?
Speaker 1: We have about fifteen eighteen native species of oak trees
Speaker 1: that are heavy producers. They're going to like the white
Speaker 1: oak family better. It's a better tasting acorn, so I
Speaker 1: would presume since the critters like it better, bigfoots will
Speaker 1: probably be the same way too. Hickories. We have multiple
Speaker 1: species of hickories that produce a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of food for the ground. Beech nuts get produced by
Speaker 1: the big beech forests in our state. And then of
Speaker 1: course we have wild onions. You have all different types
Speaker 1: of wild vegetables that grow all throughout our our ecosystem here,
Speaker 1: including some very rare ones too. But of course we
Speaker 1: also have to throw in the agriculture. We have plenty
Speaker 1: of produce farms in this state. We have plenty soybean, corn,
Speaker 1: you know, wheat, et cetera. Is being grown all around
Speaker 1: all the time. So there's all this food source available
Speaker 1: for everyone. And it's just you know, truly benefits something
Speaker 1: like a sasquatch because you know, if they can't catch
Speaker 1: it deer, they have other things to eat until they
Speaker 1: can catch it deer. And like I say, Ohio has
Speaker 1: a lot of deer, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Ohio's resource rich. It is researcher rich. Is that why
Speaker 3: there's so many conferences you think out there? Because I
Speaker 3: can off the top of my head there's three or
Speaker 3: four plus there's all these library gigs I hear about
Speaker 3: it all the time going on out there. There's just
Speaker 3: a lot of bigfoot activity in general in Ohio, which
Speaker 3: kind of guess, I guess dovetails into the end of
Speaker 3: this topic of the sheer number of conferences we're looking
Speaker 3: at nowadays. I mean, the Ohio Bigfoot Conference has been
Speaker 3: around for quite a while. This course started before you
Speaker 3: got your your gloves on it. Don Keating was kind
Speaker 3: of the guy pushing that forward, and you've brought it
Speaker 3: into central focus for everybody by doing a great job
Speaker 3: over the years out there in Salt Fork State Park.
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about the sheer number of conferences and
Speaker 3: their success and why that would be true.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, for one thing, I remember years ago
Speaker 1: people saying, oh, I wish there were more big Foot conferences.
Speaker 1: In my reply would be, I do too. People just
Speaker 1: need to do them, and a lot of people were
Speaker 1: afraid of the task to set one up and how
Speaker 1: to do it when it's really not that hard at all.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I just say this, if you
Speaker 1: have a good wooded area, you have a good venue,
Speaker 1: and and you're you're going to attract people. Because the
Speaker 1: one thing Bigfoot does that a lot of other like
Speaker 1: nature subjects don't do, is attract kids and families. And
Speaker 1: when you can get the kids and families involved, or
Speaker 1: get the communities involved in it, because you know, you
Speaker 1: see a lot of the newer conferences they're hosted by
Speaker 1: like chamber of commerce or small cities, small townships where
Speaker 1: they are they're the ones hosting it. And they just
Speaker 1: invite people out to have a good old time in
Speaker 1: an outdoor street festival, you know, with vendors and food
Speaker 1: trucks and just the local businesses where Bigfoots want to
Speaker 1: say the subject matter part of part of the event,
Speaker 1: and which attracts people to the subject and you know,
Speaker 1: bigfoot is. In my opinion, I think you could do
Speaker 1: conferences in every state and I think they'd all do
Speaker 1: well as long as they're promoted well and you have
Speaker 1: a good lineup of speakers at least, you know, some
Speaker 1: keynotes and then some locals. A good mix is always good.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's just the sign of times
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot's become so popular that you know, people are
Speaker 1: taking advantage of it.
Speaker 3: Your conference, the Ohio a big Foot Conference has been
Speaker 3: got a nice mix of kind of both those things.
Speaker 3: I mean, you do have the support of SALTFORLK State Park.
Speaker 3: Of course they love having you there, and there is
Speaker 3: an additional fee to hear the speakers. But you have
Speaker 3: an open vending area. I know this weekend, this coming weekend,
Speaker 3: I'll be out there at Hawking Hills that's largely an
Speaker 3: open festival sort of thing. Like last year, I think
Speaker 3: forty fifty thousand people showed up to the town of Logan.
Speaker 3: This year, they've moved the location. It's going to be
Speaker 3: a different situation, So we're going to see how well
Speaker 3: that success translates over to the new format. But that
Speaker 3: combination of kind of a private and public event sort
Speaker 3: of thing seems to work out really well. And now
Speaker 3: you've taken up the banner and are now helping to organize.
Speaker 3: Is it the first New York Bigfoot conference or what's
Speaker 3: going on with that?
Speaker 1: The first New York big Foot conference. It's in Johnstown,
Speaker 1: New York, which is right on the like the foothills
Speaker 1: of the and Orantick Mountains. It's my friend Loretta Collins,
Speaker 1: you know, wants wanted to do at an event, and
Speaker 1: I told her that, hey, I'd be glad to help
Speaker 1: you do it, and so we so, you know, through
Speaker 1: her and and reaching out to different people, we have
Speaker 1: a you know, a great lineup of speakers. The event's
Speaker 1: going to be October fourth, twenty twenty five at the
Speaker 1: it's like the Johnstown Gloverville Holiday Inn. It's at very
Speaker 1: nice meeting facility with lodging right there, and like I say,
Speaker 1: it's within like fifteen minutes of of you know, the
Speaker 1: foothills of the of the and Orantick Mountains where there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of historic Bigfoot sightings. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think we have coming in. We have you Cliff
Speaker 1: coming in, we have doctor Jeff Meldroom, we have doctor
Speaker 1: estabund Sarmiento, we have Adam Davies coming in, we have
Speaker 1: Renee Holland coming in from Finding Bigfoot in and then
Speaker 1: of course I'm going to be the MC for the
Speaker 1: first year for her, and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: you know, a great event, you know, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to keep it pretty scientific this year. We're trying to
Speaker 1: get to a lot of people to want to come
Speaker 1: and learn more about Bigfoot and more about you know,
Speaker 1: the scientific aspect of it, you know, as well of
Speaker 1: course of course about all the sightings that from the area,
Speaker 1: because there have been plenty of them, and you know,
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to go to the New York
Speaker 1: big Foot Conference on the Internet or on Facebook and
Speaker 1: check it out, and you know, and and to tend
Speaker 1: it would be great for a first event, trying to
Speaker 1: get it off the ground, and you know, like I
Speaker 1: told Loretta, you know, it'll take a couple of years
Speaker 1: to build the event up to get it to where
Speaker 1: you're just going to sell out all the time. But
Speaker 1: the first year is always going to be a struggle,
Speaker 1: which I would think, And but it's going to be
Speaker 1: a great event nonetheless.
Speaker 3: And I'm aware of one other vent. There's something up
Speaker 3: in Whitehall, right but other than that, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Whitehall Festival and it's more of like
Speaker 1: an outdoor type festival, and you know, I've never been
Speaker 1: to it. I heard it's a really nice event run
Speaker 1: by nice people. I think. I think Steve Coles is
Speaker 1: involved with it, and maybe Paul Bartholo. I think that's
Speaker 1: say pronounce it. And but it's a very nice event
Speaker 1: run in Whitehall and stuff like that. And like I say,
Speaker 1: we were just looking to try to, you know, do
Speaker 1: just a much more of a conference than say an
Speaker 1: outdoor event. And even though we will have some outdoor
Speaker 1: vendors at the New York conference, you know, in October,
Speaker 1: but like I say, there's other than those that and
Speaker 1: and I know that there's one in New Jersey done
Speaker 1: by Cryptid Promotions, which is a good event. But other
Speaker 1: than that, there isn't a lot there, and you know,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, like maybe we can get more
Speaker 1: people to come out of the woodwork and talk about
Speaker 1: their encounters out there. We're doing a town hall on
Speaker 1: Friday night before the conference. It's free and open to
Speaker 1: the public, and we're looking for people from New York, Vermont,
Speaker 1: a those surrounding areas would come forth and tell about
Speaker 1: their encounters.
Speaker 3: Now, of course, you've been at as a successful event
Speaker 3: for quite a while, for many many years out there
Speaker 3: that sult fork the Ohio big Foot Conference. So you're
Speaker 3: taking some of you're going to model I'm assuming the
Speaker 3: New York stuff after the Ohio event, I assume, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course, because I think the Ohio event
Speaker 1: is a great success, you know, in terms of being
Speaker 1: an educational type event. I mean, like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: i and I've known you guys for years, and I'm
Speaker 1: big on educating people on not that Bigfoot exists, that
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of data out there that will
Speaker 1: maybe sway you into the way to think, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: there is a possibility of these things being real, because
Speaker 1: I think that you shouldn't say they exist until you've
Speaker 1: seen one, or until you've had some kind of encounter
Speaker 1: that's changed your life and then you can go into
Speaker 1: that wagon, and you know, so you try to educate
Speaker 1: them as much as you can.
Speaker 3: So with all the year, all the years of running
Speaker 3: the Ohio big Foot Conference, what are some of the
Speaker 3: memories stand out to you about some of the maybe
Speaker 3: perhaps great successes if you can label them that from
Speaker 3: the conference itself, maybe things that you've learned, or special
Speaker 3: speakers that you've had in attendance, or just surprises that
Speaker 3: you walk away going well, that was rad.
Speaker 1: One of the best ones was seeing Robert W. Morgan
Speaker 1: show up to the event and see Bob Gimlin for
Speaker 1: the first time. It must have been like thirty years
Speaker 1: and to see the two of them talk, hug, shake hands,
Speaker 1: take photos and just chat with everyone was amazing. Also
Speaker 1: when Lauren Coleman was there one year, Tom Page came
Speaker 1: and having Tom Pager and Bob was there that year too,
Speaker 1: and it was just such a And so we inducted
Speaker 1: Tom Page in the Ohio Bigfoot Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: of course he was very you know, teary eyed over
Speaker 1: it and emotional because you know, he knew that he
Speaker 1: had a lot of contribution to the subject from the
Speaker 1: sixties and the seventies, but you know, now for him
Speaker 1: to finally get recognition for it, I think him and
Speaker 1: his wife thought it was very special. And you know,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing I like. I like to see
Speaker 1: people happy, and you know, seeing the looks on people's faces, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd never forget this one time, you know
Speaker 1: me because I'm running around everywhere in that place while
Speaker 1: the event's going, and I walk into the front lobby area,
Speaker 1: just coming around the benin and I look over on
Speaker 1: the chair and there's Bob Gimblin's there. And Bob had
Speaker 1: got in maybe two hours ear and it was Thursday night,
Speaker 1: I think, And as people were coming in, Bob would
Speaker 1: get up and say, Hey, are you folks here for
Speaker 1: the fro the Bigfoot Conference?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, well I'm Bob Gimlin. I'd like to thank you
Speaker 1: for coming in. And he would sit there and just
Speaker 1: thank people for coming to meet him on his own accord,
Speaker 1: on his own choice. And to see someone like that,
Speaker 1: I mean it just I knew what a genuine person
Speaker 1: he was, but that just like, you know, hit the
Speaker 1: nail home. I mean, like, wow, what a person. Then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I you know, not to float
Speaker 1: your boats or anything, but like you know, finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: that you guys coming. I mean, I remember the first
Speaker 1: year you came. I remember the first year Bobo came,
Speaker 1: where an A came, Matt came. I mean, just just
Speaker 1: amazing to see the people respond to people they see
Speaker 1: they saw on TV. They respected, and you know what
Speaker 1: I think. I think twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and even twenty seventeen were some pretty special years. And
Speaker 1: you know, those are things I'll never forget. I mean,
Speaker 1: just just that. And of course the kids all watching
Speaker 1: kids come and now they're young adults, and some of
Speaker 1: them now have families of their own, and they're coming back.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bogo will be right back after these messages. We do
Speaker 3: have a lot of listeners who were perhaps kind of
Speaker 3: new to the subject, or they're civilians so to speak.
Speaker 3: They're not lifers that just enjoy the subject. They're ficionados.
Speaker 3: So can you tell us briefly for their sake, who
Speaker 3: Robert Morgan is, and then of course Tom Page.
Speaker 1: Robert was known in the nineteen seventies to be doing
Speaker 1: bigfoot research out in Washington State. He was He's originally
Speaker 1: from Seabring, Ohio, and he was out there actually trying
Speaker 1: to hunt bigfoot and actually, you know, obviously attain a
Speaker 1: specimen to prove that these exists. And he had been
Speaker 1: doing research in Ohio before and after he you know,
Speaker 1: went out west and he did research for people like
Speaker 1: Don Keating, I think even Matt Moneymaker he did some
Speaker 1: research with in the state. And you know, he wrote
Speaker 1: multiple books about the grassman I guess are what you
Speaker 1: call the forest people, I think he called them. And
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of a legend in the community.
Speaker 1: If you watch some of the old documentaries from the seventies,
Speaker 1: you will see Robert Morgan's in a lot of those.
Speaker 1: And so let's just say he's kind of part of
Speaker 1: the old Guard. And yet to this day, even though
Speaker 1: you know he's not in the greatest health, he's still around.
Speaker 2: That guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Of course in the old documentaries he stands out forbody
Speaker 3: else because he is like Cubol Bold, completely bold. And
Speaker 3: so if you have seen any of those nineteen seventies documentaries,
Speaker 3: that he stands out in that sort of way. Tell
Speaker 3: us about Tom Page, of course.
Speaker 1: Well, and then Tom Page was one of the secret
Speaker 1: funders of the Tom Slick Expedition. Tom had access to
Speaker 1: a lot of equipment I believe, including helicopters and things
Speaker 1: like that that helped fund these expeditions out in the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest that were headed by Peter Burn, John Green
Speaker 1: to hind In all the famous bigfooters that we've learned
Speaker 1: to know and read about. And Tom was kind of
Speaker 1: the guy that was behind the scenes, you know, help
Speaker 1: funding it and help, you know, help this success of
Speaker 1: the event. And a lot of people didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about Tom Bage too many years later after Tom Slick
Speaker 1: died and things like that, and so and here lo
Speaker 1: and behold he lives in Youngstown, Ohio, which was like
Speaker 1: amazing and uh. And then he reached out to me
Speaker 1: before one of the conferences and asked if him and
Speaker 1: his wife could come down. I'm like, you guys, you
Speaker 1: guys got free seats, you got free dinner, you get
Speaker 1: if you need travel money, it's it's on me. And
Speaker 1: so they came down and they were the nicest, most
Speaker 1: humble people. And you know, Tom passed away a few
Speaker 1: years back, but but it was an honor to know him,
Speaker 1: an honor to meet him, an hour to honor to
Speaker 1: hear his stories, like about slick about Patterson. You know
Speaker 1: he like the Patterson's book company. Tom Page, I think,
Speaker 1: is the one who funded the money to get the
Speaker 1: get his first book printed. And so you know, Page
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And like I say, he was a very nice and
Speaker 1: humble man. And he didn't sit there and shoot off
Speaker 1: his mouth saying Bigfoot's real. This is that you No,
Speaker 1: he was interested in the science aspect of the creature
Speaker 1: and wanting to prove that these things do exist.
Speaker 5: For people that haven't been with us very long. Mark
Speaker 5: was our guest on episode one ninety one and he
Speaker 5: went through a bunch of that kind of stuff, the
Speaker 5: history with like Don Keating and Ohio history and all that.
Speaker 5: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: What episode are we on now? I don't know, Matt Brewoit,
Speaker 3: do you know that number?
Speaker 2: This will be episode three hundred and twenty six.
Speaker 1: Wow. Who that's a long run.
Speaker 4: And there's about one hundred and fifty bonus episode so
Speaker 4: we've done a lot in the last six years. But
Speaker 4: I love the conversation we had with Mark the first time.
Speaker 4: Mark's and the audience loved it too, So very glad
Speaker 4: to have you back. And while I can toot your
Speaker 4: horn here again, like I love the Ohio Conference. It's
Speaker 4: absolutely one of the best experiences every year. The fact
Speaker 4: that you've got it laid out in such a way.
Speaker 4: It's such a beautiful place, but everybody's under the same
Speaker 4: roof all the speakers and the attendees. It's just an
Speaker 4: awesome weekend. So thanks so much for all the hard
Speaker 4: work that goes into that every year.
Speaker 1: Oh I appreciate all you guys helping support and promote
Speaker 1: it because it takes a group effort to make something special.
Speaker 5: I know people were pretty stoked when I heckled that
Speaker 5: one year when I was giving my talk.
Speaker 1: I'm, oh, yeah, you know, they love that. I got
Speaker 1: some good Bobo stories, but I guess we'll save that
Speaker 1: for another time.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know you got one that we can
Speaker 3: tell into four or five minutes.
Speaker 1: I do have one. The last time Bobo was out,
Speaker 1: we left the lodge on a Monday, obviously to take
Speaker 1: him to fly out. I think his fight was about
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the in the in the evening so
Speaker 1: as we're driving out of the park, I'm like, well, Bobo,
Speaker 1: are you hungry? And I looked over and he's already
Speaker 1: passed out. And I literally drive two hours up to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and I stopped twice to look at a couple of
Speaker 1: trees that I knew about, and the whole time he
Speaker 1: just kept sleeping right through it. I left the car
Speaker 1: running both times when I learned to look at the
Speaker 1: trees with the air conditioning on. And then we continued
Speaker 1: on and I finally get back up to like the
Speaker 1: Greater cleven every close to the airport, I'm like, you know, like, Bobo,
Speaker 1: are you hungry? Just let me sleep a little longer?
Speaker 5: Dude like that.
Speaker 1: So I go, I'm going to go for a hike.
Speaker 1: I park over near Berea Falls, which is an area
Speaker 1: I like to park to go hike. And I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go for I cool, go have fun.
Speaker 1: And he falls right back asleep. The windows are open
Speaker 1: and everything. I hike an hour and forty five minutes
Speaker 1: there and back come back, he's still hanging halfway out
Speaker 1: the car, sleeping away as people are coming and going everywhere.
Speaker 1: And then then of course it's like, are you hungry,
Speaker 1: and he finally said, okay, we'll go get something to eat.
Speaker 1: We went and had Mexican He barely ate like five bites.
Speaker 1: And then I take him to the airport. And then
Speaker 1: let's just say that when his flight was getting ready
Speaker 1: to leave, he gave me a call. He says, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for everything. He says, Oh, when I was in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, I took a good number two. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: And that was it. But no, uh, it was it
Speaker 1: was funny. I mean, just for the fact that I
Speaker 1: never saw someone sleep that long in a car.
Speaker 5: I didn't sleep the whole weekend.
Speaker 2: That was well.
Speaker 1: And and that's and that's and that's the truth. And
Speaker 1: and I understand you just finally had had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to sleep and you literally just sleep slept for five
Speaker 1: hours in a car, and it was It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I say, we always wanted to
Speaker 1: have you back. Everyone I was always asked me, what
Speaker 1: are you going to get Bobo Beck, I said, you'll
Speaker 1: have You'll you'll have a better chance having a class
Speaker 1: a sighting than that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just look at Bobo. You can tell
Speaker 3: he gets a lot of beauty sleep.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course he needs it, like, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen hours a day, I guess so, uh No, I
Speaker 1: mean you know, like I say, I just appreciate all
Speaker 1: of you and everything that you've done for the conference.
Speaker 1: So it's it's been. It's been a it's a great run.
Speaker 1: And uh I'm glad you guys enjoy it.
Speaker 5: When's the last sighting out of Salt Fork State Park?
Speaker 5: Because that place goes off. I mean I've never seen
Speaker 5: one there, but I've heard him there.
Speaker 1: There was a sighting like within three or four miles
Speaker 1: of there, maybe in the last few months, and it
Speaker 1: was your real a typical you know, the guy was
Speaker 1: walking back to a creek to fish or something and
Speaker 1: he saw something out of his corner of eye step
Speaker 1: behind a tree and then he you know, heard something
Speaker 1: walking away or skid and he could see like the
Speaker 1: outline of it, but it wasn't a real definitive one.
Speaker 1: Let's say, you know, the biggest problem with that bobo
Speaker 1: is that Salt Fork because everyone goes there to Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: That means everything is Bigfoot, and with all the hoaxed
Speaker 1: videos that come out of there, where people just have
Speaker 1: their brother dress in a suit and you know, they
Speaker 1: film from up on a ridge and say, look, see
Speaker 1: there's Bigfoot at Salt Pork. It's like, it's crazy, all
Speaker 1: these hoaxes that go on. So you have to really
Speaker 1: really filter it down to only the real good data
Speaker 1: to even get anything legit. And not that there isn't
Speaker 1: legit things that happen, it's just the problem is when
Speaker 1: you have thousands of people looking for Bigfoot there, you
Speaker 1: get all this misidentification.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I met like someone like that you knew or like,
Speaker 5: you know it was a legit one, because I know
Speaker 5: there's times of be I mean, there's it's it's just
Speaker 5: the most squatched place in the in the world.
Speaker 1: It could be. It could be. It's you know, and
Speaker 1: if you look at that part of the state and
Speaker 1: and you know, and I've hiked everywhere through there, from
Speaker 1: lake to lake, all the finger lakes up there, there's
Speaker 1: so much water and so much forest cover that if
Speaker 1: I was a Bigfoot, that'd be the part of the
Speaker 1: state I'd be living in because I'm convenient to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I'm convenient to the corner of West Virginia and the
Speaker 1: Ohio River Valley, and right then and there you have
Speaker 1: a confluence of everything meeting, and it is fricking squatchy
Speaker 1: as heck down there, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: You've built a lot of memories for a lot of
Speaker 3: people in Ohio, and now you're starting in this new
Speaker 3: chapter helping out with the fledgling New York Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 3: And I think it's just going to be a hit man,
Speaker 3: because there's really not much going on as far as
Speaker 3: conferences in that specific area. There's a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: bigfoot reports and the cat skills in general, including you
Speaker 3: know the famous and New York baby footage for example,
Speaker 3: that wasn't that far far away from there. I'm really
Speaker 3: looking forward to this event and seeing how it grows
Speaker 3: and matures over the next decade or two. I mean,
Speaker 3: goodness knows how what kind of legs this conference is
Speaker 3: going to have. It could be around, could be one
Speaker 3: of the longest running ones ever for all you know.
Speaker 3: Because it's not too far from the city, right.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, it's probably a few hours from New York City,
Speaker 1: but it's out in the beautiful area. And like I say,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people I notice on the
Speaker 1: Facebook page, because there is a Facebook page New York
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Conference, a lot of people are asking, well, what
Speaker 1: is the what is the admission fee costs? Well, the
Speaker 1: cost is to go see the speakers. There's gonna I'm
Speaker 1: We're going to have like a specialty door prize raffle
Speaker 1: with some really cool donated and rare Sasquatch and Bigfoot
Speaker 1: related items for people to win. And you know, but
Speaker 1: and of course you know, uh, it gives them you know,
Speaker 1: exclusive you know, seating to see all the lectures and
Speaker 1: everything like that, because like me, when I go to
Speaker 1: go to a Bigfoot event, I want to see all
Speaker 1: the lectures and which I never get to do it at
Speaker 1: my own events. So when I do go to them,
Speaker 1: that's what I do. I go see the speakers. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to learn. And if if folks
Speaker 1: want to learn on the New York Bigfoot and all
Speaker 1: the Northeast you know Bigfoot settings, you know, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a good step to start at. And I
Speaker 1: think you should give it a chance and see what
Speaker 1: it's like, because it's going to be great. I guarantee that,
Speaker 1: Oh I would one hundred percent agree. I mean, and
Speaker 1: of course we have doctor Meldrum, we have doctor Sarmiento speaking.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be there. Rene is kind of come
Speaker 1: as well and talk to us about some stuff. And
Speaker 1: Adam Davies a lot of great speakers, great people, a
Speaker 1: great location. I think it's going to be a great
Speaker 1: event man. Yeah, oh yeah, it is. It will be.
Speaker 1: And like I say, we just got to get more
Speaker 1: people to say, hey, I want to come to this event.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the time to get your tickets
Speaker 1: and get your rooms booked and things like that. And
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, people trust me, show up.
Speaker 1: You won't be disappointed.
Speaker 3: And that's October third and fourth, twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 3: New York Bigfoot Conference. And for all the information you need,
Speaker 3: go to NY Bigfoot Conference dot com ny Bigfoot Conference
Speaker 3: dot com for the New York Bigfoot Conference on October
Speaker 3: third and.
Speaker 2: Fourth, or click the link in the show notes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or do that all right, folks. That's another episode
Speaker 5: done this week for Bigfoot and Beyond with our special
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