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Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the four hundred

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and fifty eighth podcast, but more specifically the Batman Review.

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It's a funny time because, crazy enough, we've never done

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a solo Batman movie. We've covered a lot of things,

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but a soul Batman movie has not come out since

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two thousand and twelve. But here we are ten years

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later and we're about to break geek risk ground. So

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it's very exciting. I am the clown Prince of podcast

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tras now and I'm joined.

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Speaker 2: By Zippermouth, Kirklin, Patzer, Adam Mark, Caster, Dyl Mus, thumb Drive,

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Speaker 1: Yes, lads, gimen, we got lots of stuff going on.

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Me and Dylan just did a great Elen Ring review

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with Sarah, so check that out. There's a newscast this week.

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Me and Kirkland also almost did three hours about euphoria.

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You got the Batman happening right now, and then this

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It's all confirmed. You got two big matchups with Dylan

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It's gonna be a good time. So Taylor, when all

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lots of stuff, so you know, I gotta start with

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this man because I'm very curious as thoughts out of

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all of us, Dilma saw it or I don't know

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how this happened, but we had brought this up on

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after nine. Everyone was very curious, just like myself, that

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you had seen very minimal You're not see any full treads,

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but you'd seen very minimal like maybe a clip here,

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some promotion stuff, but you've not seen much of this.

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You just knew okay passings and the Batman, and you

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know the guy that made the Plant Eights movies making

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this movie. So what did you think of the Batman?

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Nons was of course, and then we'll tell people, because

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I know some people are still seeing it a couple

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days later, we'll tell you. We'll give you the warning

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say that I was at the like

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fan first event, which is a day early. Like I

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don't know why they're making it feel like this event.

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It's like I'm saying this like twenty four hours early,

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and there was a lot going on, Like they had

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this Batman background and like the music was playing for

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like twenty minutes beforehand, and they were showing so many

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screenshots and like little clips and like trivia. It's like,

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who play is the Riddler in the Batman. It's like

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just spoiling all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I get it.

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Speaker 4: If you're a big fan, you've probably seen all these trailers.

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and they didn't want me to. So I was like, oh, well,

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now I know what these characters look like. Man, that

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kind of sucked so that that was unfortunate. But I'm

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sure everyone else in the theater who I knew all

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that stuff was into it. But I think this is

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this is a great movie. I really enjoyed this. It's

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it's a long movie, but it didn't to me drag

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at any point. I felt like it just kept me

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on the edge of my seat. I like the kind

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of main villain in there with Riddler, I think is

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really well done. That's a lot of fun. The acting's

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talk about this, but just the casting was great, Like

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every character with the type, the type of character they're

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so Yeah, as a kind of mediocre Batman fan, I

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was pretty impressed. I really liked this movie.

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Speaker 1: Well, there you go, tair Field, how do you think

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of how do you think? What did you think of

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feel like, you know, the standalone Batman vibe just really

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how the actors were delivering their roles and everything like that,

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and it was just really really working for me, and

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going from Bail's Batman to you know, Afflex Batman, it

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was definitely a change up, but like going to Robert's

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Batman has just put it into this category that I

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really just got on board with that I liked. And

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kind of made this movie stand up so much higher

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, can I ask you just off the wall question.

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and Afflex and then you went Roberts. Is there a

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specific reason why you don't why you call Robert by

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his first name and not the other Batman by their

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm on a personal level with Robert, now, okay,

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but it's a journey.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kirk then tell us a bit about your personal journey.

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and I just frozen to the bone. This movie without

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any spoilers, like it just had me in the first

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five minutes, And in the first five minutes I knew

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that this was going to be a very very special movie.

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things that I heard lean up to it. Like I

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anything like that, but I saw I think maybe two

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like overall scores and very very high. So I was like, Okay,

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that's good. It's not like rotten or anything like that,

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not that I thought it would be. But yeah, I'm

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not going to describe the scenes, but like literally the

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first five minutes, I just knew this was going to

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be so absolutely fantastic, and it had me the entire way.

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could have just kept going and I would have been

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completely down for it. The pacing was phenomenal, acting was phenomenal. God,

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Robert Pattinson is just something else. Man Zoe Kravitz like,

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this is. Yeah, it's it's so fresh that I feel

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like I still have to process it's what went on.

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off the hop this is I think I think this

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was my favorite Batman story ever, and that's like including

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the very minimal stories that I've read, but still like,

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this was just this was such a well made movie

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and I'm I'm just so giddy. I'm so happy that

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this is the thing. I feel so just like humbled

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and honored that I was able to like witness this

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in theaters too. We're not like locked down or something

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like that, so I could actually like fully get what

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what I got on screen. And yeah, I'll just pass

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the torch there because I don't want to accidentally spoil

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anything because I just have so much to talk about

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character wise, Dylan wise, So yeah, I'll pass the torch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it's been such a journey. When they

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announced this movie, it was Affleck directing it, starring, and

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then it was Matt Reeves directing Aflet and then he

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completely left and they readed the movie and they started, okay,

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it's a new Batman and pass and I knew from

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on geek versus and how many people gave the angry

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emoji too, and all these comments, and I was in

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the comments just being like, now he's gonna do great,

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I'm right. And for me, I'm somebody that, like I said,

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it's like we had so much Batman that, like I said,

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people forget. But I have been craving a solo, live

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action Batman story. Again. It's great having team up Street

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to do Lego Batman and stuff, but to have when

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the story's just on him. It's been a minute. It's

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been ten years. I've had three kids since that has happened,

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and everyone knows this. I've shout it from the rooftop.

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the movie that has got me the most interested in filmmaking.

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All these things. I need to sit on it, but

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was just everything I wanted and more. The cast, the crew,

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the cinematography, especially cineatography. There's so much stuff that's just

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so good. The vibe. It's a thriller movie, it's a

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horror movie, it's a drama. It has an action movie,

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and I think, like, don't say the action is maybe

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not as big as some other Batman movies, but when

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it's there, it's big. So it feels like it stands

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out of it more than just like, Okay, we've just

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thrown a bunch of action because you want to see

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Batman beat up a guy. No, this movie has everything.

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has like the gothy Phil Burden does. It has like

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the groundedness that no one has. So it's like taking

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all the best from Batman film and then the best

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stuff from Batman comic books and just like rolling it

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into one and Matt reeves, He's just created I can

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see now why they right away were like, oh yeah,

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that Gotham pd show, and they've already said like, oh yeah,

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we'll probably do in the Batman today. I can see

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why they saw this and it was like it creates

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this whole, living, breathing world. And I can't wait for

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more with this film. Even if we didn't get more,

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this is to me just such a special film and

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comic book. It's one of those heavy hitters. It's one

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of those that is gonna change the game. People are

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gonna talk about it, and it's a very very just

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of this movie is very different. It doesn't feel like

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a comic book movie in the way that we once

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we get repeatedly. It feels a lot like what we

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got a few years ago a joke. It's like, Okay,

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this can be something different and this can really stand

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out and uh yeah, past I don't know if I

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can do the whole claim and being the best Batman,

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but I think I like, I I hate doing that

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because I hate it's so hyperball because I just saw

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it a few hours ago, right, But it's just that

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feeling that you got, like I have. If I have

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any cons when we get to him, they're gonna be

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super minor. I don't have anything major. And just he

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was phenomenal. Just and the score. I think this is

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Michael Giachino's best work. And this guy has had so

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many great musical tracks. The first time I hear him

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wasn't up. And this score is just it's something else.

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year for going Geeks score wise, because it's just it like,

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at times it felt like a horror movie and in

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the best way possible. So yeah, this movie, I think

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it lives up to everything. The run time didn't hit me.

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It had that Lord of the Rings feel where that

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three hours just blew right by. I just couldn't even believe,

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Oh man, we've been And even Emily, who usually didn't

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like longer movies, like, yeah, that didn't feel like three hours.

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So I think that's good. I love just the mystery

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ass and I love everything about you know, for years

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it's Matt Reeves has set up, but we get that

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detective that when we get him working on these cases

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and uh yeah, it's uh it delivers the hype. So

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is there anything you guys want to say non spoilers

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before we get into this.

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Speaker 2: Just to add on to what you said with like,

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if we don't get anything else moving forward, I can

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live with that because this is just such a well

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told story, like from start to finish and it yeah, no,

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no spoilery stuff, but like still, like I when I

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left it, I just felt like that was a complete film.

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I didn't think that I was like lacking anywhere. Uh

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it was. It's just it's such a great story. It

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was so well like I was. It was almost like

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you know, if you watch the Snyder cut and you

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have like the act one act too, Like I feel

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like I could just feel that naturally, and it just

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it was a full it was a full story and

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so well it was, it was told so well. So

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I just I got tipped my hat to Matt Reeves

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everyone involved with this, like this was they delivered. There's

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so much hype on it, and I think this passed

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it if you're asking me. So that's all I got

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Speaker 4: One thing I'll add to as because the you know,

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every every one of these movies with a new actor

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playing the role, like I have some sort of origin

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aspect to it, and this definitely takes a different approach

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to the origin story than we've seen in other Batman movies.

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And I'll say that I saw this with my partner Mads,

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and she's doesn't know anything about Batman. Pretty much before

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the movie, I'm like, what do you know about Batman?

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Speaker 5: Like anything?

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Speaker 4: She's like, there's there's Batmobile. That's like pretty much. It

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doesn't know like who Bruce Wayne is or what the

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backstory is. And I and and it worked for her,

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like everything made sense and she knew who the character

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was and and like they do it in a different

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way in this time rather than like getting your half

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an hour that's just kind of boring slog fest if

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you know who this character is already. So and for

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me as well, I also really like that too because

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I know enough about it. I don't want to see

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that same stuff over and over again. And I think

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they sprinkled it in in a really good way. So

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that's a big, big to the movie because it'll just

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stand on its own. It won't feel like something that's

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just slog to go back to as well. I think

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you to kind of get right and do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you he's gonna do that too, because like

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we're at the stage where we're talking about different you know,

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incarnations of an actor. Oh it's a new Batman, new Inspiermen.

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But there's always gonna be somebody that this is their

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first Batman movie, you know, even if it's like a kid,

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even though I don't know how much of kid. It's

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fairy similar Dark Knight, where there's some dense stuff where

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it's like I don't know how much they enjoy it,

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but there will be some kids I'll see it and

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love it and it will be the first time of

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you know, so you walk that tight rope if you

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want to show that stuff, but you don't want to

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just rehash it because it has been done since the

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eighties over and over again and not even counting comic books.

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So well, so this is your last chance. If you've

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not seen We're gonna take an ad break so you'll

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hear that and then you can go jump over and

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come back if you've not seen it. But if you have,

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buckle up, baby, because we're gonna have a fun time.

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So we'll be right back. And we're back. So I

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don't know if we want to start with a character,

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if we want to start with a story where we

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want to go. The only thing I'll say is don't

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start with the thing at the end and the prison

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will save that to the very end, because that's a

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whole conversation. But Taylor Field has his et finger up,

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so I'm gonna let you lead the way.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, I think we should just start

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with the very beginning, like as far as like like

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a Batman bold bold, as far as like a Batman

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kind of story goes, like, I just was great just

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to have him kind of like guiding us into like

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what's going on, and again, like obviously we see a

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little bit of like the Riddler kind of make his

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his jump in, which was fucking scary as shit, terrifying,

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But after that and you just get okay, like it's Halloween.

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Bruce Wayne's just kind of narrating it, and then just

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the score builds up and you just get his entrance

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like Enter the Batman. It's like, holy shit. It was

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just crazy good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is something where I had said this

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before even the trailers. I didn't repeat it on splot,

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but this just felt like for myself and a few others,

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and I'm gonna read some Patreon reviews too of people

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that had seen it. You can do that, join Patreon,

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adrass of early episodes, do things like that, send reviews.

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It just feels like batter is everything I wanted a

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Batman movie. Took it out of my brain and did it,

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and for I think decades all of us, and it's

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minimal in this movie, but we've been like, man, are

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we ever going to get a Batman movie where he narrates,

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because that's the comic books. It's always him narrating, it's

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from his point of view, and it is minor, but

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it still worked enough as the Guiding Light, and I

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think it's a good introduction because I think you can

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get more of that going forward. But even this movie,

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I just I don't know why, just them he revealing

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he has this little journal that works as two things,

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as like his personal guy, but it's also just a

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I love the line when he's like, I'm doing this

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so much and for so long, the night's rolling into

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each other and it's not like a it's not so

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much like just a diary. It's literally between that and

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the eye footage, just so he can actually remember when

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did this happen? What day? And I think that shows

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like how in the thick of it he is right

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now that he can't even remember maybe last night, because

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he's just he's just stuck in this cow all the time.

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Speaker 2: You know, his his journal is even like the Gotham project,

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and you can only imagine that that's just a never

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ending project that he has, you know, with himself. And yeah, no,

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I I absolutely loved him narrating. I I know that

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we knew that, but it's I still like, forgot about

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it until it was happening. Happened very quickly, but I

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I loved it. There was I feel like there's a

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big chunk in kind of like the middle that it

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wasn't really narrating as No, it was just so much

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going on, so it was like the beginning in the end,

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but it was It was really really good because especially,

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you know, I hadn't even read Batman comic until this year,

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and that's where I was like, oh my god, he

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narrates so much, so to just be fresh on that

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and then jump into this movie, I feel like if

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I never read the comics, I would have been like, man,

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this is a very different take on the character of Batman,

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but it's not because that's that's what he does in

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the comics.

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Speaker 4: And did you guys read this because this is long.

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Halloween is what this like series whatever is called, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, I'm going to get them to read

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it at some point. That's my favorite Batman comboy, But

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this has tons of inspiration taken from that, and it

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was funny that started on Halloween and even just like

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him narrating while they're just showing people in the costumes.

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I love that. I feel like they went out of

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the way like we're gonna make some creepy like that

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pumpkinhead guy that's a creepy green pumpkinhead. You know, like

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it felt like a very like a Halloween you'd almost

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not want to be a part of, you know. So

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I love that starting on Halloween.

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Speaker 5: I love those raining too.

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Speaker 4: I feel like when you see just like panning shots

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during like movies that feature Halloween, so it's just people

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having fun in their costumes. But there's just such a

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different tone to it when it's just pouring rain. But yeah,

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I agree with you what you guys said about the

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opening and just adding in that, like when they when

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those thugs ask him, like who are you? And he says,

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I am venged, Like that's such a good subversion of

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the expectation of just you know, these superhero characters say

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their very silly names like I'm Spider Man. I like

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that he says this line said, So it kind of

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caught me off guard. And maybe that's like a trailer thing,

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but I thought I thought it was cool. And then

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obviously that's a big thematic thing throughout the whole movie

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that comes back. So the fact that it kind of

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comes up in that first scene with him is is

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a good way to introduce the character.

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Speaker 1: So in the very first trailer when they got shut down.

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I got delayed the first time because of COVID. They

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showed they were only shooting for six weeks, so they

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had a few things to show. That was the scene

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they show that kind of got everyone super hyped because

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it was like, Okay, what's gonna and it was everything.

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And know it's funny though throughout the movie, characters like Penguin, Catwoman,

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more of them call him Vengeance more than Batman, So

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he almost wonders, like, is that kind of actual his

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name around here? Where Batman maybe will be a persona,

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especially when we talk about the ending of like he'll

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maybe lean into more now, but people more call him

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Vengeance than the Batman. Then they don't even explain how

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he got that name, which I'm fine with. He didn't

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give it to him, so it's just kind of like, okay,

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like he's a bad guy, right, so I know that's

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how he got it, But it wasn't like he's proclaimed

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it or some reporter gave it to him. It's just

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he's known as the Batman, but people just refer to that,

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and I like that. I like because again, he's not

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as right now like in the public eye, so it's

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just kind of this like mysterious figure and man that

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so like they saw. They showed scenes of that in

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the trailers and teasers, but it did not compare at

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all to what it actually felt like. I love anytime

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this man walks on screen. He has these heavy metal

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boots that are like a gunslinger, and you just hear

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him coming, and I love that the first Like they

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do this a lot of this movie, but I'd say

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the first act they make it feel like Batman is

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like Michael Myers or Jason for like you feel like

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I know it's from his point of view, but from

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the criminals, he is to me, maybe the scariest he's

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ever been into Batmanvie. He feels like he's the villain

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of this movie sometimes, like they give him jump scare music.

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A lot of the times, it's like he's the hero

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of the story. And that's where the kind of toss

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up is that he realizes maybe there's more things to

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do to become an actual hero. But I loved everything

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they did, especially that first act in the first half

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of making him feel kind of very scary and intimidating

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because he says that opening like it's all about fear

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and that's all I gotta do. And yeah, you got

475
00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:54,279
that going on.

476
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,759
Speaker 2: That's such a big thing with Batman, right, being that

477
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,480
symbol of fear, and that was shown so really well

478
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,960
like in the very in the like I said, like

479
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,720
the first ten minutes, it just it just totally sucked

480
00:21:05,759 --> 00:21:07,839
me in when it just shows like the dark shadows

481
00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:12,000
and then like the CROs like the criminals are and

482
00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,119
then they see the symbol and they're just like literally frozen,

483
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,680
like that one pumpkinheado that you're describing, like he he

484
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960
he kind of froze up, almost got hit by a

485
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,079
car there, right, and he does the Batman no exactly.

486
00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,200
And then something I was pointing out to my buddy

487
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,920
as were leaving out was like they just showed him

488
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,599
being this like literally just fear so well, and not

489
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,319
even just from the point of the criminals, like when

490
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,880
he goes to the mayor's house and all the cops

491
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,519
are just like staring at him so fearful. Very pretty

492
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,559
much very end of the movie too, when he's helping

493
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,839
out like the new mayor, like even her like she's

494
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,920
really hesitant, and that is a fantastic shift, you know,

495
00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:53,640
Like by the end of the movie of him actually

496
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,799
being a hero, not just this mass vigilante that's literally

497
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,400
just breaking the law and just kind of taking the

498
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000
law into his own hands. And that was so well

499
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:04,519
done because you know, like in Bails Batman, that's a

500
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,559
big point of it, like I am fear. I'm gonna

501
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,359
take the I'm gonna take my own fear and put

502
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,519
it on uh like criminals, and like that's gonna be

503
00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:15,000
my weapon. But in here I felt that instantly.

504
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: And I picked Bales Batman to fight any day over

505
00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,400
this scary guy. Now, you know, like when you look.

506
00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: At you hear those boots like clicking and clacking.

507
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 5: Come on, I'm gonna be squeaky clean.

508
00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:25,759
Speaker 2: I'm not pulling any crime.

509
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: And I love like we had tug about this before,

510
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,920
but in this wee was really accentuated that They made

511
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,799
a point that he wanted to open up the eye

512
00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:34,960
slits a lot more, and I thought that was such

513
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,079
a great motivation because there's lots of dialogue, or there's

514
00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,200
lots of scenes with no dialogue for passing, but he's

515
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,799
doing that. Tom Hardy like I acting, and I think

516
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,039
them opening up because it sometimes in the photos it

517
00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,319
looks awkward because there's so much white on him and

518
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,319
like oh, like like he looks like he just has

519
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,920
big eyes on the cow. But it really worked in

520
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,759
the moment because there's just so much him scanning or

521
00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:56,680
like you mentioned those scenes of him in the interrogation

522
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,440
or with the police, he's just staring them down or

523
00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,400
just a little look and he comes off as very intimidated,

524
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,720
not trustworthy, and the best way other than other than Gordon,

525
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,039
you know, other than he's the one guy like, oh,

526
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,640
what's you know?

527
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:10,559
Speaker 2: What do you deal with this?

528
00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 3: Jim?

529
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? What about you? You started it off? So what

530
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,200
do you think about some of the stuff with Batman

531
00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:18,079
and Pattinson and stuff like that.

532
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I do feel like they just blended into

533
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,039
like being the perfect combination of the two. I think

534
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,599
like getting to see it like how you mentioned like

535
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,160
just more like work around with the mask. So he's

536
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,680
he did so much like I work, like you said,

537
00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,559
like the Tom Hardy kind of thing, and I loved it.

538
00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:39,440
There were so many shots where he would just be

539
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,319
like like angling his head and using his eyes like

540
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,640
he just his facial expressions did so much work for him.

541
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,759
That made him more intimidating and made him more freaky,

542
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,079
and yeah, like you guys were talking about the whole

543
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:54,519
beginning part there where he's not even there and he's

544
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,640
just talking like, yeah, you know, I can't be everywhere.

545
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,400
It's a big city kind of thing, and yeah, people

546
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,559
are just getting terrified, Like you're looking into the corner

547
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,400
and you feel like in those scenes you can just

548
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,200
revert to like, hey, we've all been a little kid

549
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,079
where you're looking in the closet and it's dark and

550
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,799
you feel like something is there, and that's what these

551
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,480
criminals are like, they're they terrified. Then the guy gets

552
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:15,359
by a car and he runs off like it's just

553
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,000
it's so scary, and I loved that. It was a

554
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,240
great introduction to him.

555
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah that line you show. I really love that, Like

556
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,160
it's a big city, I can't be everywhere, and that

557
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,640
like put the stakes in it too, because it's like

558
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,039
again they are trying to do a bit more of

559
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,240
a grounded Batman Again. It just shows like, yeah, he

560
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,319
can have all these gadget deals stuff, but he can't

561
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,240
cover anything, like people are gonna die, people are gonna

562
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,039
get hurt. But if he can put that that motivator

563
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,079
out there, fear and I know we're gonna talk about throughout,

564
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,680
but that's why I love and I'm not gonna be

565
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,680
like Taylor to take shots to be like, oh, you know, bvs.

566
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,839
But like, I was so happy that this Batman is

567
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:50,920
where we are because like there's so many times where

568
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,160
Batman in a movie doesn't have like a complete journey

569
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,480
because it's about the venture or the villain. This is

570
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:58,640
the whole, from him being vengeance to being fear and

571
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,799
what not to the ending of Them movie where he

572
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960
beats up that one Riddler guy and the Riddler guy

573
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,799
is like, oh, I'm vengeance and just that realization of man,

574
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,839
I'm doing it wrong. And it's definitely because I'm a

575
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,759
Batman sucker and fanboy. But that moment when he is

576
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,519
walking out with that girl kid and he's covered in

577
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,079
dirt and everyone's down and out and he puts her

578
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,319
down and she grabs them and when he like grabbed

579
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,079
her hand, the first time you've seen Batman in this

580
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,440
film do anything like emotional or caring because he was

581
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:25,720
like and he's talking about hope, Man, I start a

582
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:27,599
tear up and I was like, that's my Batman, like,

583
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,400
and that's what Bat's supposed to be where it is

584
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,279
this dark figure, but at the end of the day,

585
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,920
it is supposed to inspire. And that's why I love

586
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,160
that whatever with this movie ending, if we get more,

587
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,640
it's like his The whole movie was to show that, Okay,

588
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,559
there is benefits to doing this fear and vengeance act,

589
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,640
but it's only kind of gonna be a revolving circle

590
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,160
because other people are doing that, especially like something like

591
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,160
The Riddler, where I love that the actual journey was realizing, Okay,

592
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,799
I do have to you know, me going about it

593
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,519
this way the way that I didn't think I should

594
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,480
is the actual thing doing change. Because another thing he

595
00:25:58,519 --> 00:25:59,880
says in that opening is like I've been at this

596
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,839
two years and not much has change. If not, it's

597
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,920
gotten worse.

598
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: You know.

599
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, so, yeah, what is the point of

600
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,480
the Batman? And now that's why I like the whole

601
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:10,519
movie was finding the point of what the Batman is.

602
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,839
And I really enjoyed that kind of the hero's journey

603
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:15,400
because he is a hero in this movie. But it

604
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,680
does feel many times Baman's called the vigilante. This movie

605
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:20,799
really feels like he is a vigilante, like he's not

606
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,359
to be trusted and things like that. So I thought

607
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,319
it was great and passed and he just we kind

608
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,319
of know, like we've been talking about him for years.

609
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,839
I think like there's enough feel that I also saw Lighthouse,

610
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,839
they're like okay and Tenant that knows he was gonna

611
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,160
do a good job, and dyl what do you think

612
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,400
about his Bruce Wayne, because this is something they had

613
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,480
talked about before and they show that like they weren't

614
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,200
gonna do as of right now, the very flamboyant like

615
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,440
putting on a show that he's a recluse. He keeps

616
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,200
his own life right now, his life is just being Batman.

617
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,400
So I'd have to look at the screen time. I

618
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,440
think this is probably the first ever movie We're gone,

619
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,680
maybe more Batman screen time than Bruce Wayne. But what

620
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,079
do you think about him? And obviously that might perlay

621
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,920
into some Alford scenes as well, but his time is

622
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,839
Bruce in this movie.

623
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

624
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 4: I had some notes on on the Batman specifically, but

625
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,440
we'll come back to that. But yeah, for for Bruce Wayne, honestly,

626
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640
that was one thing I felt like was maybe a

627
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,279
bit one dimensional with the character. And obviously it's not

628
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,200
like Bruce Wayne and Batman are two separate characters, like

629
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,400
obviously you kind of roll them into one. But yeah,

630
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:18,440
that is a big thing, is that the screen time

631
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,039
is heavily focused on Batman, and when he ever he's Bruce,

632
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,000
he just wants to be Batman instead.

633
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 5: He does not want to be wherever he has to be.

634
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's kind of just the same sulky,

635
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,359
moody thing and it's it's fun. I like it, but

636
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,799
there isn't really a lot of dynamic to it. I felt,

637
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,559
and honestly, I love I love Robert Pattison. To me,

638
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,079
the scene in the hospital, I didn't think the acting

639
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:46,920
was great. And I'm that's probably a hot take. You

640
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,279
guys probably all love that scene, but yeah, to me,

641
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,440
the me, the acting and like the consistency of the

642
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,079
character just didn't work. And I can't even really put

643
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,039
a finger on why, but it just it just didn't

644
00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:58,759
sit right with me.

645
00:27:59,160 --> 00:27:59,839
Speaker 5: And that's too bad.

646
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 4: But that was the only point I have against him

647
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,960
and that sucks because that's the most emotional he gets

648
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,640
in the movie as Bruce.

649
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 5: I don't mean interested in general.

650
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,799
Speaker 4: That is really I guess you could make it as

651
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,359
you made a good case for the ending sequence and

652
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,759
when he's narrating that. But you know, with Alfred, that's

653
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,480
a very personal moment, and yeah, it didn't work the

654
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,440
best for me, So that was maybe my one con.

655
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,119
But yeah, I'm I'm really curious to see how the

656
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,079
character of Bruce is used in because this is set

657
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,880
is a trilogy, they confirm.

658
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,319
Speaker 1: And he might pop up in some of these TV

659
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,519
shows they've said. He's pretty much said he's he's like

660
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,640
the hemswereth where he's like, as long as they asked

661
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,359
me to play Batman, I want to play Batman. He's

662
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,039
he in these interviews, the lore, he's been shown out.

663
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:45,599
He's not just an actor. He's a guy that his

664
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,319
whole life he's been a Batman fan and some of

665
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,720
his inspirations are like, okay, he wants to do this,

666
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,519
So yeah, at least there's gonna be a couple more

667
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,160
movies down the pike.

668
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: So so I'd be really curious to see how they

669
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,720
change the character of Bruce and if he opens up

670
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,759
more in like social settings, if he's actually gonna say stuff,

671
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:06,759
or if he's gonna continue to just walk around and

672
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:10,039
look at people and then keep walking and you do

673
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,839
get some other scenes where he confronts Falcone and stuff.

674
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,920
But I think that's what I'm curious for, because I

675
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,279
think the Batman as Batman, he's uh, you know, fox

676
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,279
up a lot, and we'll see him probably get more

677
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,480
and more masterful as the movies go on. But I

678
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,799
don't need like the Batman part of it, you know,

679
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,920
perfect ten out of ten. But the Bruce thing, I

680
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,319
want to see a little bit more in these in

681
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960
these future ones. But I mean, this movie has got

682
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,839
so much going on that it's really a minor con

683
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:35,799
even if that seems like something that would be a

684
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:36,400
bigger issue.

685
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,799
Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting because I am trying to keep

686
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440
us on one track here. But what I'm really curious

687
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,319
about is when he does go in the public. This

688
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,119
is the first time they've done a long comic books.

689
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,799
This is I said a long time ago they're gonna

690
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,400
do and they did it. Of the waynes being dirty

691
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,279
or shady this time around, right, and now it's very interesting,

692
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,119
like what is this type of Bruce we'd have to do?

693
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,079
And absolutely terrible things came out about your flight, the

694
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,759
things that are just like, I don't know, he can't

695
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:04,559
be that, you know, fun loving guy. But I think

696
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,279
with that and with that Mayor kind of setting up

697
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,319
being like, oh, you don't do much, you don't come out,

698
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,960
I think he's gonna maybe realize that not only can

699
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,359
he change the city as like Batman being more hopeful,

700
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,599
he might have to realize like, Okay, as Bruce Wayne,

701
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,519
I'm gonna have to maybe do some things too instead

702
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,000
of I think that's what they're trying to do.

703
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: But I think because like you said, the definitely puts

704
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,079
that thought in his head, like yes, he incepts it

705
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,599
way deep somewhere in there.

706
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I think it's it's like you said

707
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,519
that there's so much stuff where it's like even for me,

708
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,480
it's like a minor con for me. But I I

709
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,599
felt like I was surprised we didn't get one more

710
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Elford scene after that hospital. You know, we just never

711
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,640
see Alford again. And it's fine because that's a good

712
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,720
resolution of that scene, but I was expecting to see

713
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,519
more any circus And I guess, Okay, no, he's just

714
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,079
he's just recovering from a bomb because luckily him and

715
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,839
Bruce really good at surviving explosions, like five feet away

716
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,960
from each other. You know like there's gonna felt like.

717
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,039
Speaker 2: Uh geez, where we talking about Bruce specifically.

718
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Anything those two characters are character.

719
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 2: I am so pumped because I am overdue for a

720
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
haircut and I am transitioning now I am taking that

721
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,079
Bruce Wayne haircut. I'm going for it. I got the

722
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,960
length to work with. I got I got the length.

723
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,880
Look at that crazy how long it's actually been so Saturday.

724
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,480
Maybe for Gauntlet, you know, it might be a little

725
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:35,920
revealed there, we'll see. Man, this is such a different

726
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,480
Bruce Wayne than I I know, other than I guess

727
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,440
Year one, uh dirty gaming in the comments I think

728
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,920
made that comparison. Oh yeah, he did definitely where he's

729
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,079
just he's like a man on a mission, like he's

730
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,039
doing his own spec offs. It's not it's not Christian Bale,

731
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,200
you know, like going in with these models, just buying

732
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,880
hotels and just being very billionaire playboy. It was such

733
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,920
a different take, and I don't don't know if I

734
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,680
like one over the other. I think it's okay to

735
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:07,400
just say they're both amazing. This was so it was

736
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,480
just again so fitting for what the movie was. It

737
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,880
was very very dark. The tone was just like ominous

738
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,279
and depressing sort of, especially when when you find out

739
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,359
more about the Waynes. But I I just I I

740
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:22,839
I fell in love with this Bruce Wayne and I

741
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240
saw him for like what you guys were just talking about.

742
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,000
Like I don't even know what the screen time was,

743
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,599
but it was very minimal. I think the first time

744
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,960
that I saw him like cleaned up, when he was

745
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,039
going to the public funeral for the mayor, it like

746
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,000
kind of shook me because I was just so used

747
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,440
to seeing him with like like the raccoon eyes. You know,

748
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,039
he's got like the black pain on his eyes. He

749
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,119
like his hair was just greasy and he just like,

750
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,480
oh yeah, Like I was feeling that while I was

751
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,440
watching him. Yeah, And I think that's what really really

752
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,759
pulled me in. And again that's shown really really early.

753
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:57,519
Like I think when he first goes back to the

754
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,480
bat Cave again, he's got like fighter tape on, he's

755
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,519
got bloody knuckles, he's just bruised and just dirty and ratty,

756
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,359
and Alfred is explaining that there's like accountants that need

757
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,920
to I don't know, I don't even remember what the

758
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,039
conversation there was, but it's just like he needs to

759
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:12,799
deal with business He's like, I just don't have time

760
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:16,119
with that, And it was again very fresh to see

761
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,960
like on like in a film, this type of Bruce Wayne.

762
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,319
I've never seen that before and it was this was

763
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:26,319
a man on a mission and it was it was amazing.

764
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 6: Man.

765
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: I I'm just so fall in love with Robert Pattinson. Man,

766
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,400
I think, honestly, it's all. It all started from the lighthouse.

767
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,200
It's just been like an incline. I just fell in

768
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:36,640
love with him.

769
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:36,839
Speaker 3: There.

770
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,079
Speaker 1: For many girls in our generation, it's Twilight, but for.

771
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 2: CURSI I never experienced Twilight. So there you go. I

772
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:48,000
completely missed that. Cedric didn't do it for me, But no,

773
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,599
he he is phenomenal and I am so pumped to

774
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
just see where he goes with this character and see

775
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,799
the evolution of Bruce Wayne and Batman because yeah, I'm

776
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,160
I'm like terrified of him in the suit and I'm

777
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:06,039
just so like, I'm like I'm like feeling bad for

778
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,880
him and like as Bruce Wayne, because he's just so

779
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,639
he's so recluse, like I feel like he he's so

780
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,559
he just doesn't have any friends, like at all, even

781
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,159
like comparing Bale's relationship with his Alfred to this Alfred

782
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,000
oh dynamic, like like it's not even real, Award, this

783
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,599
is really awkward, and and like like there's so many

784
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,480
moments in those in I'm totally just forgetting the actor's

785
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,559
name from the movies. Oh yeah, Michael Kaine, thank you.

786
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,360
Like I think also because that was a trilogy, so

787
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
I just had more time to really like get it,

788
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,039
grow attached to that character, Like I just saw him

789
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,400
as this father figure that he was for for Bruce

790
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,679
Wayne in those movies and this one, Like I love

791
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440
Andy Serkis, but I just didn't have enough time to

792
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,079
grow attached there. I'm so glad that he lived because

793
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,719
I know I will get there with time, I I

794
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,320
would imagine so, but yeah, when that bomb went off,

795
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,679
I was I was more hurt that I might lose

796
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,159
the potential of getting more Andy Serkis to like really

797
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:10,760
grow in love with him, as opposed to like him

798
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,760
just being gone. So I didn't feel as emotionally invested

799
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,920
in that moment, like Travis s are saying, You're like

800
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,519
tearing up in that scene. I don't know if it

801
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,920
was because of possibly losing him or just like the

802
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,639
dialogue between the fun like it was dad.

803
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: It was a comble of all of them. Because what

804
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,880
I like is like, when you're talking about how you

805
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,360
don't feel connected and he's Alfred, I think, yes, there

806
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,119
is not much green time. But I also think it's

807
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:36,880
like on purpose, you're not supposed to connect with him,

808
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,400
because this is the first time we've seen a Bruce

809
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,199
Wayne in the movies where he's actively not really wanting

810
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,920
to connect with Alfred her He's not really. It seems

811
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,199
like anytime Alfred helps him out, it's because Alfred goes

812
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,920
out of his way too. It's not like, oh, could

813
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,840
you do this for me? Oh like when he does

814
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,599
that code thing, it's just off the side, like look

815
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,920
what I did, And it's this thing of you know, oh,

816
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,079
you're not my father, and he's like, yeah, that's pretty

817
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,159
blainantly obvious. And I feel like Alfred in a way

818
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,199
is trying to just he's he's he feels bad that

819
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,320
Bruce got stuck with him, Like he feels like he

820
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,320
knows that he would not be a good father or

821
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,079
father figure, but it was up to Alfred to raise

822
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,199
this guy. And now when you see what he's become,

823
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:13,440
I think Alfred feels like he's done a pretty shit

824
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,880
job because this guy is emotionally detached. He's going out,

825
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,280
he's pretty much just on a suicide mission. So for me,

826
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,719
like when they finally connected there and there was just

827
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,880
a moment of the great and I guess it's just

828
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,599
him passing grabbing people's hands has got me that moment,

829
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,840
and I love the I didn't think i'd ever feel

830
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,760
feel fear in my life again until tonight. And that

831
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,159
was just whatever emotions, whatever conflicts they've had over these

832
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,119
past few years that he find can acknowledge like, okay

833
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:39,760
you are and point to me. I think I would

834
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,880
want more. And that's where, yeah, I am happy he

835
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
didn't get killed off, because if he did, I would

836
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,239
have felt like, man, like I like, that's a bummer.

837
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,039
Alfred has like fifty minutes of screen time and then

838
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,119
they just because that would have just been a well

839
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,119
we've got to motivate bam. And again, I still think

840
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,679
it's you know the fact that he survived that that's

841
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,960
very comic book key of like man, the Ridler sucks

842
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,119
with these bombs, like he can't take out any of

843
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,480
these way and people. But yeah, that's why I think

844
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,960
it worked for me as far as he was actively

845
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,760
pushing Elford away, and because the movie is from his

846
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,519
point of view, it's almost like we're like, yeah, like,

847
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440
I don't know about Alfred. He's kind of you know,

848
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,400
he's he's fine and stuff, and but I don't think

849
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,239
they'll be hunky dory if we got a sequel too.

850
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,360
I think there's lots of uh. I think it's an

851
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,480
awkward road for them.

852
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: So I just wanna say it's a bold play that

853
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,599
Alfred knowingly knew something was wrong with this package but

854
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,239
still opted to open it up.

855
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: I feel like he.

856
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:33,039
Speaker 1: Wasn't like for Bruce Wayne's eyes only you know, yeah,

857
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,079
tell you what about you? You can talk about a

858
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,840
bit about Bruce Waye than Elfred if you want, because

859
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,599
I think alf for make come up again, but he's

860
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,239
not in it too much in this movie.

861
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean Bruce Wayne and this was you

862
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,440
guys s a lot of great points. He's very different

863
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,639
from your Christian Bales Bruce Wayne just he's not flying, buoyant,

864
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,039
he's not putting out that persona. He's just a Bruce

865
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,239
Wayne that doesn't give a shit. He just was trying

866
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,719
to be you know, you guys talk about vengeance and

867
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,519
all that. And that's that's something I really liked about

868
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,960
his character because again, you guys already had mentioned this,

869
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,440
but he's putting out vengeance, he's using this method that

870
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,079
he thinks is the right way to attribute or accomplish

871
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,840
his goals. And then he sees that these this kind

872
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,440
of method is being enforced and used by all these

873
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,360
other people that are completely lunatics. And now he's realized, okay, like, hey,

874
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,000
I gotta I gotta be hope. And there's great symbolism

875
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,719
at the end when he's lighting that flare and he's

876
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,119
reaching his hand out, I'm like, and then it turns

877
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,800
and it's that above shot of just so walking. It's like,

878
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,280
this is hope. This is great what he's using right

879
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,400
now to be a symbol.

880
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: And he's literally coming out of the shadows with that light,

881
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,039
you know, being a shadow.

882
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: And another thing I was kind of surprised with too,

883
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:55,199
is with the other Batman that you see well Bruce,

884
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,960
Bruce Wayne, like the Christian Bales batman, he was probably

885
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,400
the more well, no, I can't I just say it,

886
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,440
like in terms of like screen time for all these Batman,

887
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:10,599
Like I feel like Ben Affleck's Batman, Like when we

888
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,039
were introduced to him, he was very secretive, like they

889
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,039
were like, oh god, he's he really out there, what's

890
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,280
going on? And then you have like the other Batman

891
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,159
I guess, like Michael Keaton, George Clooney, I'll kill mor

892
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:21,440
all that. So they're kind of a little bit more

893
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,320
prominent in the public, whereas Christian Bales Batman was much

894
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,599
more kind of hidden, I guess, kind of like recluse.

895
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:33,840
But this Batman, I feel like, was much more just

896
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,119
in you know, crowds of people. He was showing up

897
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,079
at the front of the iceberg. Yeah, he just would

898
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:43,239
walk around like yeah, he was much more like prominent,

899
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
like right in like groups of people. And I wasn't

900
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,480
expecting that. I was expecting him to be much more

901
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,480
kind of like you know, hidden in the shadows or whatever.

902
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,639
But I mean that's okay, It's not a takeaway for

903
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,920
me at all. It was just it was cool to see.

904
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that he goes to a public

905
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,880
setting like twice in like two weeks, I think, is uh,

906
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:00,480
you know, that's that's not a lot.

907
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: I think it's one week the entire film takes place

908
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,320
because it's like the first night November.

909
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,039
Speaker 5: Pumping on, like November fifteenth.

910
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,159
Speaker 1: Or something at one point, so I thought I heard fifth,

911
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,280
But yeah, either way, it's one of those fives. Maybe

912
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,960
it's the twenty four.

913
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: I think it was six, not a five, but I

914
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,599
mean now we're all over the number.

915
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I I really like that stuff. You know,

916
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,519
we have the decency to knock. And the Two Twins,

917
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,679
which those are kind of a tribute to these characters

918
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,760
that are like Tweedledumb and tweedled d They're like a

919
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,400
ripoff of Alice and Warnerland stuff. They they they're like,

920
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,079
that's I love. Like they are constantly giving little comic

921
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:40,360
book nudges or lore, which I'll point out in this

922
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,159
film that it's just that you don't have to like

923
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,440
these two characters. You don't have to make them something

924
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,920
from the comic books. But the fact that they are,

925
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,320
I guess it's like a nice little easter egg, like

926
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,360
sleen A one point says she's going to blood Haven.

927
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,679
They give like Falcone the origin that many times happens

928
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,880
of Bruce helping him out with surgery, like that's in

929
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,960
multiple comic books. The sleean of thing Also we'll talk

930
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,119
what his U or Thomas Thomas, sorry, Thomas helps him

931
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,239
out with the surgery. Also we'll talk about the Slena

932
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,360
big reveal and everything like that. But they're constantly putting

933
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:10,679
like little stuff in. But yeah, I really like that

934
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,639
club scene. I like and again I think it's smart

935
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,440
because I think there is a lot of talking with

936
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,480
a lot of DETECTIVESU. But they always sprinkle like even

937
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:19,440
a little bit of action in there, and then they

938
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,280
wait to give you like a big set piece, you know,

939
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,199
like when the Batmobile comes out. It's not like, oh,

940
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,039
it's a batmobile. It's like, no, you're gonna get fifty

941
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,800
minutes of this. But it's like, talk about a monster entrance.

942
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440
The first time you get the batmobile, Oh my god.

943
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,159
The sound design, the look of it, the fact that

944
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,840
the engine it looks like like there's fire coming from

945
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,760
in the front. It looks like a beast. It's so

946
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,599
it's so good. It's I love everything about that.

947
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,199
Speaker 4: I had a couple more Batman notes maybe yeah, yeah,

948
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:50,239
stick with that adventure off. Uh so, I guess just

949
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,440
prepays for the listeners. I'm not a huge Batman guy.

950
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,119
It's been a few years since i've watched any of

951
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,079
the other movies. I haven't seen really many of them,

952
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,079
Like I haven't seen Heat or any of those older

953
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,400
older ones at all, and most the other ones, I've

954
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360
just seen the movies once or maybe twice maximum, so

955
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,719
I don't have like such a you know, it's hard

956
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,719
for me to make as many comparisons to the other

957
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,800
ones as you guys can do. But I loved the

958
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,559
use of this kind of Year two Batman, and I like,

959
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:18,880
I just liked how weak he was at times, like

960
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,519
he really fucked up. Like even like first fight scene.

961
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Obviously he declaredly wins, of course, but you know, he

962
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,639
takes some bullet shots and obviously it's like he's got

963
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,679
his armor or whatnot. But when he gets back home,

964
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,480
he's just like all scratched up. He's just bleeding like crazy.

965
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,239
He just often is like getting messed up in fights

966
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,480
in certain ways. And there's even some times that you know,

967
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,239
most of the time, I feel like when Batman, like

968
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,280
there's always like a plan that was in place, you know,

969
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,639
he always has all these contingencies. That's not the case here,

970
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Like he gets caught by the police after that bomb

971
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,519
goes off, and oh, ye, there's no reason they don't

972
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,760
take the mask off, Like it is just coincidence that

973
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:58,800
the guy turned around at the right time and they

974
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,039
didn't take that mask off and do this whole reveal.

975
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,559
There's no plan he had there, Like he just fucked

976
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,480
up and he almost got caught and just coincidence saved

977
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:07,840
him there. And then I don't know if we want

978
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,960
to talk about the ending, the whole ending battle yet,

979
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,519
but like he was dead Purequinston.

980
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 5: He is alive. He was completely dead. He had fucked up,

981
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,480
he lost, and.

982
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,559
Speaker 4: Then the Elextecute coincidents and that that guy was sending

983
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,760
in with a gun for like twenty seconds he gave.

984
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,199
Speaker 5: He gave so much time for Catwoman to save him.

985
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:26,599
Speaker 1: But I like that.

986
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,159
Speaker 5: I like that he's a fallible character.

987
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,159
Speaker 4: Another also when he's on when he escapes the police station,

988
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,360
he's up on the roof and he hesitates, he's like

989
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,320
scared to jump off. That was great, and then obviously

990
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,159
he fucks up the landing so bad, And I love that.

991
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,840
I love seeing Batman who just isn't this perfect machine,

992
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,440
who's like a walking heist mission where there was always oh,

993
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,039
I had some secret backup plan.

994
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 5: I like to see him get fucked up.

995
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 4: And I mean, coincidence is not great, but I still

996
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,639
I think it's used well here because I least set

997
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,920
up these things reasons why these characters come to save

998
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,559
the day for him.

999
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: But I personally love that that version of.

1000
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: Well and I think what it does though, it helps

1001
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,840
the supporting characters feel noteworthy and important too, because my

1002
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,599
head can is like, the reason they don't take the

1003
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,320
mask off in the prison is just because Gordon's there.

1004
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,119
If Gordon's not there, this guy's unmasked right away. But

1005
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:16,880
you see them all the time. He's pulling people back,

1006
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,239
he's telling them to give him a second. And same

1007
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,719
thing with Selea. That's why you have watched some of

1008
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960
those older movies. But like Commissioner Gordon in the Keyn era,

1009
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,760
he's a nothing. The cops are just there to call

1010
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,960
Batman be like we can't handle this polease come in

1011
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,000
like they don't do anything, you know. And that's thing

1012
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,039
with that Selena making the big save, it's her having

1013
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:35,920
a moment. It's her showing that Okay, it's not just

1014
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Batman always saving the day, it is you kind of need.

1015
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960
And I think this will hopefully help him out too.

1016
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,360
I think it already do with Gordon. He can't do

1017
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,400
this alone, you know, you can't take on this whole city.

1018
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,599
So I think not only it shows that he's still

1019
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,559
just like a rookie, it feels very much like Netflix

1020
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,239
Daredevil too, like there's so much time he would just

1021
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,519
get beat up, he'd still come up on top, but

1022
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:56,239
he's gonna walk away with bruises. But I think it

1023
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,199
just also adds to everyone else, like, Okay, Gordon is

1024
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,760
helpful here clean his helpful. It's not like, oh, Batman

1025
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,599
could have just done this on his own and see

1026
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:05,599
it later. And that's why I don't know for over again.

1027
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:07,079
In the com books, that's why I'm a big fan

1028
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,000
of they called the bat family where he has back

1029
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:10,960
girl and he has Robin, because it is like a

1030
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:13,159
unit of people that he has to help him out.

1031
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,039
And that's why, like there's like a little mini unit

1032
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,599
here of Alfred, Gordon and background and whatnot. Taylor Field,

1033
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:19,960
you had your hand up about this topic.

1034
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,639
Speaker 3: I imagine, Uh you mentioned Dylan when he was like

1035
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,599
I guess at the top of that roof, and he

1036
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,320
just like takes in a second like oh shit, like

1037
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,039
I'm up high. I like that scene a lot too,

1038
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:38,199
specifically because got hair in my mouth. Cat hair, Yeah,

1039
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,199
cat Man, Catman.

1040
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: Catman is a DC character. You know, Dylan is right

1041
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,280
on that one.

1042
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: But it was so cool to see him whip out

1043
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,599
the Squirrels suit instead of like the usual standard.

1044
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, that was cool. I really like that.

1045
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,119
Speaker 3: And I didn't. I've seen like like soldiers jump out

1046
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,119
of like you know, sky having with the scroll suits

1047
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,000
that they popped the parachute. I didn't think he was

1048
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,119
gonna pull that out. And when he did it under

1049
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,960
that overpass, fuck, I felt like his pain, like as

1050
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,960
he just smashed and just went into the dumpster on

1051
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:13,239
the street. Oh my god.

1052
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,039
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, he's gonna make a clean landing right

1053
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:15,800
on top of that bus.

1054
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: Concussions caught, and man, there's something about it. It's probably

1055
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,480
just for me as a kid. I love anytime the

1056
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,199
Batman suit loses the cape and you just see like

1057
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,280
the body because it's like something you don't rarely see.

1058
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,079
So when he's just walk and I love to like

1059
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,519
he limps away like he is like if he doesn't

1060
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:35,559
have his vehicle, I don't know if he's getting back home,

1061
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:40,199
you know, like he hit he hit the lamp, he

1062
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
hit the bus, and then he like rolled like he

1063
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,239
he was not doing well after that scenario, but it

1064
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,719
was so cool. And I really like all the gadgets

1065
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,400
he had in this movie too, because they were comic

1066
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,559
bookie but realistic and things like that.

1067
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple of things to add on

1068
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,280
for sure. I just quickly wanted to mention what was

1069
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,440
talking about, how like like he wasn't just a man

1070
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,760
with the perfect plan. And if I'm thinking like Bail,

1071
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,519
there's times that he gets like stabbed and it's like

1072
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:12,719
a big deal. It's like, Okay, he's injured, and then

1073
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,280
he gets he gets away and he's like he's kind

1074
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,320
of dealing with that injury. But like I remember, I

1075
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,719
think it was the first one, the first comic that

1076
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,599
we read, which was Year one with the same Year one. Yeah,

1077
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,480
I'm mixed. I'm mixing them all up now, but like

1078
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,000
I was just so surprised. I'm like, basically page two,

1079
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,320
he just gets like shot, he's bleeding, and he's just

1080
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,440
like constantly getting his ass kicked, you know, like like

1081
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,320
like he's he's making it, but like he's showing damage

1082
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,039
where I feel like if I watched the Dark the

1083
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,239
Dark Night trilogy, their majority of the time he gets

1084
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,800
away pretty pretty cleanly. He's pretty pretty good at a sham. Yeah,

1085
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,239
and then like you see him doing push ups the

1086
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,360
next day. Okay, he's got bruises, But like here, I

1087
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,039
don't think there's a moment where like Pattinson looks clean

1088
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,239
and like I am at one hundred and ten percent

1089
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,400
prime ready to go, I can tick on it. Like

1090
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,519
he has no days off, he has no time to recover,

1091
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,440
Like he always just looks damaged and yeah, every fight,

1092
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,000
it's not like he just parries everyone perfectly, Like he

1093
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,239
gets smacked in the back of the head, quick recovery,

1094
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,639
because yeah, he's a master at martial arts and.

1095
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,159
Speaker 1: Armor.

1096
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: And then that transitions to the other thing I wanted

1097
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
to point out is just like his gadgets and stuff.

1098
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,840
And this is another good comparison with with with the

1099
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,559
Bail trilogy of like because that is an origin, Like

1100
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:33,440
you see him and Alfred like researching like where to

1101
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:38,119
get these products him with oh my gosh, what's Morgan

1102
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:39,079
Freeman's character's name.

1103
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.

1104
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: Like going over the technology, like this is why the

1105
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,400
Cape will like like flex so you can actually like glide,

1106
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,440
you know, like it's it's all explained so that when

1107
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,639
it's very bond, you know, it's like he's he's in

1108
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,159
qu this is what this guy.

1109
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 1: This bond so you can see it all in those

1110
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,880
films there.

1111
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I didn't know that. That's that's a fun

1112
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,880
little fact there. But like in this, you don't know

1113
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,920
what his gadgets do until he uses them, and like

1114
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:10,239
there's so many gadgets that he pulls out, like in

1115
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,760
the later half of the film where I was just

1116
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,480
totally surprised on I. I love gadgets. They're so fun

1117
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,679
to me. I feel like it's just something that I

1118
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,280
fell in love with it as just like a kid

1119
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,719
watching like those Bond movies, Spy kids all that shit.

1120
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,480
So so like in here, whether he like pulls out

1121
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:29,840
that the blade which is like his bat symbol, that

1122
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,639
was so fun. He has like his adrenaline fucking bane

1123
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,039
chemical believe that I love.

1124
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: That he has like a that and that's like fun

1125
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,159
part where it's like Batman still by Nature's a planet

1126
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:43,840
where he's made a little hole in his armor specifically

1127
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,960
just so he could stab as adrenaline. So it's not

1128
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,599
even like, Okay, I have this needle. I'm just stating

1129
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,599
he's probably, well, I need a place to stab it.

1130
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:51,360
It's just like a little compartment where he takes it

1131
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,360
off is like okay, right here is where I could

1132
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,039
stab And I was like, yeah, he's like oh, guys,

1133
00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:00,639
like exactly, And like even the smoke when he used

1134
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:02,320
it the whole movie, I was like, does this dude

1135
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,960
not have smoke bombs? Like that's a Batman go to

1136
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:06,840
like And I feel like they're pretty easy. But I

1137
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,599
like the look of the gadgets where they look high

1138
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,000
tech but they're not. They don't look like they're a toy,

1139
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,639
Like you couldn't mark them as a toy, you know,

1140
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,159
like they don't look very and not to take a shot,

1141
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:18,920
but lots of the MCU gadgets, it's like, oh, this

1142
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:23,639
looks very tony, stark tech looks prime Like yeah, this

1143
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:25,679
smoke bomb just looks like it's a little ball of smoke.

1144
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,440
He has to stick it somewhere and that's it. It

1145
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,679
lights up there you go. And I love that they

1146
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,239
revealed them that way. Even the cape you guys talked about,

1147
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,880
I was not expecting this just like pull across like

1148
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,360
jumpsuit squirrel suit thing, and it was it was wild,

1149
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:38,639
and I.

1150
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Really really loved how it wasn't just like, okay, anytime

1151
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:44,760
that I have to descend from a building and I'm

1152
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,679
gonna just use my cape and then that's just my

1153
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,679
my ability. Like he uses the squirrel suit once, he

1154
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,000
can't just like redeploy it and like put it back in.

1155
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:56,599
You know, it's a last last ditch, and especially after

1156
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,519
how how badly he fucked it up. And then later

1157
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,280
on when he's chasing Selena, like he doesn't just use

1158
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,920
it again, like he like he has another gadget to

1159
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,840
get down the building, right, Like he has that little

1160
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,880
black widow device where he can just like run down

1161
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,039
the building. And I just loved how different and like

1162
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,760
just all the gadgets was. It was so great. It

1163
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,079
was again a good change of pace of being like,

1164
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,199
this is what this gadget does. So then later on

1165
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,559
the film, viewer, you're gonna see this in action. It's

1166
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,440
just like I was being surprised at his arsenal and

1167
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:27,199
it was so fun.

1168
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,599
Speaker 3: Travis, earlier you mentioned like that scene with the smoke

1169
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,119
bomb and you guys were both elaborating on the armor aspect.

1170
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,719
When he comes out of that smoke scene and he

1171
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,159
ends up like beating up that last like Ridler copycat guy,

1172
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,920
and he was on his back on the ground and

1173
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
he's got that double barrel point blank range in his

1174
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,159
fucking chest. He just tanks that double barrel shot like

1175
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,679
holy shit, it did.

1176
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: But it definitely knocked the win out because he was

1177
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,599
whole bruise. Like Selena kissed him, I don't think he

1178
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,519
had any fucking idea of what was going. He's like,

1179
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,039
it was just so funny. She like lays it on.

1180
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,679
He's just like, yeah, okay, like let's do this. She's

1181
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,159
like it's over, and he's just like he has no idea.

1182
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,559
And that's why I love like it. He always holds

1183
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,679
on enough so he won't die. But man, like the

1184
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,480
next day he must have been. He must have been.

1185
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,360
He was probably sitting the hospital right next to Alfred.

1186
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,440
You know, he needed a cup of Joe. But let's

1187
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,360
take our second ad break and we'll be back with

1188
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,239
more Batman because we haven't even covered most of it,

1189
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,880
so we'll be it right back. All right, we're back.

1190
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,119
Is there anything specifically because I know he'll come up,

1191
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:41,599
but anything specifically on Batman, Bruce, Wayne Gadget suit, anything

1192
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,599
like this that you want to bring up, and I

1193
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,119
will say for me, it's just the suit. Seeing this

1194
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,280
the whole movie. I love the suit. I love it's

1195
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,840
very arkhamished, but I loved how armor and plated it is.

1196
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,039
I love the sleekness of it. It's probably my favorite

1197
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:54,719
suit ad one's because all the ones I've had them

1198
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,440
like tied, but there's just something about this one. It

1199
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,320
just it just like like I said, the cow dude

1200
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,920
just looks scarier too. It just looks meaner, you know.

1201
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. Like I love how sleek

1202
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:07,840
it is, but at the same time, it's bulky and

1203
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,880
you can tell that it's armored, like like it's you know,

1204
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,559
it's a movie, it's a movie about a superhero. But

1205
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:15,320
I feel like I can still believe that he's just

1206
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,440
tanking these bullets because he just looks like an armored titan,

1207
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,960
like just just taking these shots and those.

1208
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,639
Speaker 1: Steps really established like he's heavy. Dude, he's a tanker,

1209
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,440
you know, he's a heavy load, like an elven ring.

1210
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:27,760
His role is done. Probably can't be too fast, you know.

1211
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,559
Speaker 2: Very much separates that character to Catwoman, you know, like

1212
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,119
like completely opposite side of the spectrum where she basically

1213
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,519
has no armor. It's just this like leather onesie that

1214
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,280
she's wearing. And then I think, just one last thing

1215
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,119
I wanted to mention on him, the Batman and his

1216
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,280
suit and everything, and how bulky he seems. His fighting

1217
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,840
style is so like just brutal and like, you know,

1218
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,599
we saw that in the trailers, but to see it

1219
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,079
like on the full length movie, I fucking loved all

1220
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:59,280
the combat he did it. It seemed a lot more

1221
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,599
believable than just like, oh, counter punch this guy in

1222
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:04,320
the stomach. He's just out of it. Like this guy,

1223
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,199
there'd be one one opponent and he would just hit

1224
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,400
him like six times. I'm not even talking about the

1225
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,400
part when he like takes the Baine juice like like

1226
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,440
literally like in that opening scene, like he just absolutely

1227
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,480
destroys these clown wannabes and it's so aggressive and it's

1228
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,679
so just it's terrifying, you know, Like if I was

1229
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,480
one of those villains and I'm just seeing my buddy

1230
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,280
get absolutely beat on by this guy, yeah, I would

1231
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,000
be fucking tail between the legs running for my life.

1232
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,000
I loved the fight style, and.

1233
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to bring up because you brought that

1234
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:35,079
up early. I did love in that fight scene. Though

1235
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,159
he's constantly like people are hitting him with poles in

1236
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,079
the back of the head while he's fighting, people are

1237
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,440
like pulling his cape. It's not like a flaw. It's

1238
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,239
like he can just take everyone out. There might be

1239
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,760
a point if we get to a third movie where

1240
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,559
he is like the prime Batman where he sat at

1241
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,920
this moment, then sure, But I love this because it

1242
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,639
felt like a It felt like a dirty fight scene.

1243
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:53,599
It felt like it was realistic at that point, Like

1244
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:56,239
it's not pretty. It's not like a dance, you know.

1245
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,800
It's just like these guys are just trying to get

1246
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,880
a hold of him. They don't know because he's whipping out.

1247
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,119
He's like just destroying guys. But at the same point,

1248
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,119
he's a giant bad as well, so there's a lot

1249
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:06,840
of things going.

1250
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:10,599
Speaker 2: On and he has that Marshall mastery. But I think

1251
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,519
the fact that he just goes in, like through the

1252
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,119
front door of the ice lounge or whatever combat that

1253
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:19,039
he's entering, it ties in with what Bruce Wayne has

1254
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,000
been saying like I don't care if I die, Like

1255
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,440
I'm not scared of dying, like like he just like

1256
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,880
the task is so much more than the value of

1257
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,800
his life, at least from his point of view. I

1258
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,719
think that'll be a big transition. I think we already

1259
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,800
had that transition in this movie, just seeing the impact.

1260
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,960
I mean, yeah, that dialogue that he had with Alfred,

1261
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,639
like like just realizing that the special ones around him,

1262
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,920
like that is what's scared like possibly losing those people,

1263
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,159
or is what scares him more so than losing his

1264
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,000
life because the start of movie, he was a man

1265
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,159
on a mission. He wasn't valuing his life like like

1266
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,960
he he just had to get the task done. It

1267
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,800
doesn't matter if I'm bleeding, it doesn't matter if I

1268
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,880
get shot. Like that is just second to being the Batman,

1269
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,400
and it shows in his combat style because he doesn't

1270
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,000
care if he takes a fucking chair over the head

1271
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:05,800
or wherever the hell happens to him.

1272
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:09,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys mentioned Alfred.

1273
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 4: I just wanted to quickly throw some more praise on

1274
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,320
it because he definitely gets sidelined by like all the

1275
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,280
hundred other characters that they're introducing in this but I

1276
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,280
think Andy Serkis is just such an underrated actor in general.

1277
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,639
I think it makes sense in a way because his

1278
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,480
most iconic characters are CGI, so you don't think of

1279
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:28,360
him as readily. But he's an amazing actor. And you know,

1280
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,400
I watched A Black Panther recently even just like the

1281
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,039
amount of like the range he has from that absolutely

1282
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,960
over the top performance to this. Even though he doesn't

1283
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,079
have much much screen time in this, I loved every

1284
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,119
scene with him. I think he just had so much

1285
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:47,519
empathy to him and in that hospital scene, I I

1286
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:49,320
loved his half of that performance.

1287
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,639
Speaker 5: It was it was the other side that didn't do

1288
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:51,000
it for me.

1289
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think I have too many details

1290
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960
to pick out necessarily, but I just love the little details.

1291
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,800
He's like, yeah, I got some blueberries for you, or

1292
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,760
I like that he's like he's in the back cave.

1293
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,559
He's running some of these riddles too, he's figure and stuff. Yeah,

1294
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,800
as you mentioned, so yeah, shout outs to Alfred and

1295
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,480
and you know, it's funny. Andy Serkis was obviously a

1296
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:11,800
big part of Matt Reeves the Planet of the Apes trilogy,

1297
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,599
so it's it's fun that they're kind of a duo,

1298
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,960
an unlikely duo in a way. So really really liked

1299
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,159
Alfred and I'm glad as well that he is not

1300
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,000
dead and we're gonna see more of him in the

1301
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:21,920
movies to come.

1302
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, you never mentioned on Alfred anything to say

1303
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,719
on you liking the interpretation, not like you and etcetera.

1304
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: I think he was great. I kept seeing.

1305
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: What was his name?

1306
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he has the beard.

1307
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: It's the beard. Yeah, but no, I think he was great.

1308
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: I really liked how.

1309
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,159
Speaker 3: Okay, just the different interpretation. I'm I'm I'm used to

1310
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,440
seeing like the much older Alfred, you know, like Michael

1311
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:58,760
Keaton's and Michael Caine and even like Jeremy Irons even

1312
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,280
felt like he was like an older one, but he

1313
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,920
felt like much more hands on, like engineer kind of

1314
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,760
like Alfred, whereas this one just felt different. And I'm

1315
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,000
so happy that we can have you know, it's the

1316
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:11,679
same characters, but has done so differently, which is great.

1317
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,840
And I just felt like, yeah, he's just an old

1318
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,519
you know, house Spler, just doing like his crosswords or something,

1319
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,000
doing these these riddler puzzles. So it's great.

1320
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,599
Speaker 1: What should we you know? Actually, I want to I

1321
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,480
want to talk about Riddler because I think there's a

1322
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,440
few more Batman things that I want to mention, but

1323
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,679
I think they'd probably be better for talking about him.

1324
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: Uh I.

1325
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,199
Speaker 1: Paul Danel was a great actor. He's like, don't just

1326
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,559
talk about Anny Circus with Range. You just look at

1327
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,840
this guy. You think of things like ruby sparks, you

1328
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,119
think of Swiss Army man prisoners like this guy. He

1329
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,400
is so good. But this role just felt like because

1330
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,440
I remember and I was so against it when it

1331
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:52,679
was the rumors of Jonah Hill being the Riddler, and man,

1332
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,800
I'm so happy we got Paul Danel, But it was

1333
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,920
a role that the second you saw it's like, man,

1334
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,679
I don't think any and the people what But this

1335
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,039
just felt perfect for Paul Dano. He did such a

1336
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,360
good job with it. I loved the mystery of it,

1337
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,440
and we had summer theories about the Waynes and whatnot.

1338
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,840
But how it was, how the unsolving of the mystery,

1339
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,159
the clues, the riddles, the kind of jigsaw like traps

1340
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,000
out again what I've talked about, fears, I've always won,

1341
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:19,079
I always dreamed by. I remember being in the Saw

1342
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,719
forums being like, man, I wish we could do like

1343
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,280
The Riddler like this, and that's what this was as

1344
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,320
close as they could because it was PG. Thirteen. But

1345
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,280
still they had this ominous feel. And yeah, I loved everything,

1346
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,880
but and what I appreciated was in the trailers they

1347
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,239
had a lot of his dialogue, but they didn't show

1348
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,760
how like flamboyant he was gonna be and how very active,

1349
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,480
which kind of keeps with like the Riddler. If you

1350
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,679
look at Ridler and comic books, he has a bowling

1351
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,239
cup hat, he has the jacket that has been He's

1352
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,920
very out there, right, He's very comic bookie. So that

1353
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:50,679
was a good way of like he looks very different.

1354
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,199
His motives are a bit more darker, but he was

1355
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,719
very kind of just like with his followers, just very

1356
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,920
like I said, almost flamboyant and had that kind of

1357
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,039
comic booky feel, so that he had that. Unfortunately, like

1358
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,840
the whole thing with his followers and social media. If

1359
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,599
this would have came out ten years ago, I'd be like,

1360
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:08,679
you know, and I don't know if I buy this,

1361
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,159
I don't think it's gonna happen. Since like the past

1362
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,480
six years, I absolutely believe this stuff would happen. If

1363
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,960
this guy having this cult that's gonna go and like

1364
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:19,480
be doubles for him and that's an unfortunate thing. But

1365
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,079
I just performance why. Story Wise, I loved everything of this,

1366
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,480
like Zodiac Killer seven sort of feel of who the

1367
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,159
Riddler is, and he doesn't have that much screen time really,

1368
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:33,199
but you feel it every time he's on there.

1369
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought I thought it was just a

1370
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,679
great job of him slowly kind of unfurling, and you're

1371
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:42,159
getting to see more and more as he's kind of

1372
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,880
losing it or I feel like he just gets more

1373
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,360
and more comfortable as the plan kind of goes along

1374
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,920
day by day and it's going better. And yeah, by

1375
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,920
the time you finally see him and he's decided that

1376
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,760
his plan is worked and he takes the mask off

1377
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,760
and he's just fully lost it at that point, it's

1378
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,440
such an I really have no reference for Riddler, like

1379
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:04,239
maybe he was in like the Adam West Batman movie

1380
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,800
that I was very different, Yeah, exactly, And I haven't

1381
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,800
seen was Jim Carrey played him right?

1382
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, I don't worry about it.

1383
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really don't know much about the character.

1384
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,239
Speaker 4: I understand the concept obviously, say it's pretty straightforward but

1385
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,440
they used it so well here in terms of just

1386
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:27,719
making his outfit something that's kind of more grounded and realistic.

1387
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,719
Uh and uh, yeah, I thought the performance was amazing.

1388
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,440
Most of the performance he's behind a mass. You're not

1389
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,000
really getting to see much other than maybe some eye

1390
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,239
acting one skin, but then it's like I acting, that's

1391
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,599
like behind like someone watching it on their iPad, so

1392
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,559
you don't see it super close up. But just the

1393
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:48,480
way he highlights certain words, or he'll just like hang

1394
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:50,480
on one syllable for like five years.

1395
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a choice, but because you never know

1396
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,760
how he's gonna speak, like especially in derogation things, some

1397
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,239
things he was getting so animated.

1398
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 5: Was like that.

1399
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: That's why I like that they kind of did play

1400
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,840
up that, you know, he might be he's very smart,

1401
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,159
but he still might be a kind of mentally ill figure.

1402
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,199
Like there's many moments where when he's breaking down or

1403
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:11,320
he thinks his plan is not going well, you see

1404
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,079
him absolutely just lose it. He's like punching the prison stele,

1405
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,559
he's crying. So yeah, I love that they showed these

1406
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:18,400
different shades of him throughout the movie.

1407
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. And what else I did live stream stuff.

1408
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:26,440
I think it's believable and work. I think they that

1409
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:28,559
was a bit cheesy the way they did it where

1410
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,840
I don't know, this is very like nitpicky thing, but

1411
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,039
like when they're showing his stream and it's like the

1412
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,400
viewer count is going up and like the likes are

1413
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,360
going up, but it's just linear, like it's just like

1414
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,519
the number just is going up. It's not like, oh,

1415
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,039
one hundred viewers, and then like you know, it just

1416
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:44,280
it just I don't know, maybe they could have done

1417
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,159
a little bit refining to make it feel little bit

1418
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,679
more realistic, but I thought it it worked. And then

1419
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,639
you know, to justify where all these goons come from

1420
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:55,239
at the end, I think is good. And obviously that

1421
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,840
line you mentioned it is nice. I guess I was

1422
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,599
just wondering, So, Taylor and Kirkland in the have you

1423
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:05,039
guys read any like Riddler in the comics or is

1424
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,800
this in the one you guys read recently?

1425
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,119
Speaker 5: Was there Riddler will be?

1426
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1427
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:14,039
Speaker 4: So I guess a question for Taylor and Travis, because

1428
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,559
I feel like one of the fun things with these

1429
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:19,519
riddles is kind of you're kind of in it too.

1430
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,119
You're trying to solve them. And figure out what he's

1431
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:23,760
talking about. But Batman just solves him so quick that

1432
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,960
I'm like, I have no time, so I'm wondering. Is

1433
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,039
like in the comics, I'm sure that would be awesome

1434
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:29,599
because you could like hang on a frame for a

1435
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:31,000
while and just think about it, or you could go

1436
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:33,039
back a page and get some clues or something. So

1437
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,400
I feel like maybe that's more fun in a comic

1438
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,440
book setting. I think it's done well in this movie,

1439
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,199
of course, but I felt like I'm not smart enough

1440
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,239
to kind of come up and feel like I was

1441
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,400
clever enough to think of these solutions at the time.

1442
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:46,280
But I don't know, is that is that something in

1443
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,159
the comics you guys do or like think about these

1444
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,559
riddles or do you just keep going and don't slow

1445
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:51,880
down to I try.

1446
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: A bit, but I feel like I'm one of the

1447
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,280
worst people with riddles. The second I hear I'm like, damn,

1448
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,039
I should have got that. But I would say in

1449
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,440
the comics it's more of a mix up. You'll get

1450
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,280
those ins and gratifications of riddle revealing the answer of

1451
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,960
Batman figuring out or you'll get like lots of mystery.

1452
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,239
Like I'm trying to find out this one other than

1453
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,159
the el rode or whatever, the rat was the pigeon

1454
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,280
with wings that was the only one that like Batman

1455
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,840
couldn't figure on took well right everything else. He is

1456
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,320
a riddle machine. This guy is built for like you

1457
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,920
can't so, yeah, so I think that you could have

1458
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,039
had a few more hang on there. But I think

1459
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:25,039
I guess they're just trying to I guess put out

1460
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,320
there that you know, he's his superior as far as

1461
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,639
like being intellect on. But yeah, definitely in comics, I'd

1462
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:32,639
say there's a mix of the instant gratifications to hey,

1463
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:34,400
this is gonna take a little while, I gotta figure

1464
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:34,719
it out.

1465
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,199
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey's riddler, he puts out some riddles that Bruce

1466
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,519
Wayne just wasn't able to figure out until later on.

1467
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,679
So you get to really stew on those ones for

1468
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:44,119
a while.

1469
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:45,119
Speaker 1: That's true.

1470
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: There's a lot of riddles in Arkham Asylum too.

1471
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: Yes, lots of Yeah, this Batman would be great at

1472
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,920
those trophies.

1473
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,199
Speaker 2: He get them all, you know, yeah, very quickly. Yeah,

1474
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:58,320
I was just gonna bring up like you know, say

1475
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,440
what you will, but performs from Jim Carrey, I think

1476
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,960
something that is still really good from that movie is

1477
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,760
it's the real aspect of it though, Like honestly, and

1478
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,360
and that's that's such a fun part for to have

1479
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,519
with a villain like you mentioned, like the Zodiac Killer

1480
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:16,480
and stuff like that, and this without the over the

1481
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:20,800
top cartoony and Jim Carrey performs with the Riddler, it

1482
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,760
was a very more realistic, grounded, like just terrifying psychopath

1483
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,559
because yeah, he's very meticulous with all of his riddles.

1484
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:32,360
There's a point where I think it was Gordon that

1485
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,519
mentioned like, oh, did he make a mistake? Batman replied,

1486
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:36,480
like he hasn't made a mistake up to this point,

1487
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,320
like everything is very structured and planned, and he seems

1488
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,880
like he just is the man with the plan. And

1489
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,440
then when it's revealed later on that like Batman missed

1490
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,440
a step and then like he literally just loses like

1491
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,480
it like he just like a wire short circuits in

1492
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:51,199
his brain, Like.

1493
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,639
Speaker 5: It's not going the way it was supposed to.

1494
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:59,039
Speaker 2: He's just like freaking out. And like that's really late

1495
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:01,079
in the movie. Honestly, up until that point, like he

1496
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,559
was just so terrifying, like through his live streams and

1497
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,719
stuff like that. But still like he was the mastermind.

1498
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,519
And I think I think that idea of just playing

1499
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,719
with puzzles is just very appealing. Definitely for me. It's

1500
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,880
it's something that just makes the character of the Realler

1501
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,280
very very intriguing to me. Is just he's he's this

1502
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:26,559
very very smart riddler. Yeah, and then you have like

1503
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:28,960
the greatest detective of all time, the Batman, kind of

1504
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,079
being the counterpart and like being the one that can

1505
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,360
kind of unravel these these riddles. And I think as

1506
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,400
a kid, that's what really really made me like that

1507
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:42,719
movie has an aged the best. You know, I like

1508
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,599
it more for the memes, but but but still the

1509
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,280
character of the Ridler has always been very very interesting

1510
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,760
to me. Probably too, I'm just not good at riddles,

1511
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,000
so like seeing the Batman just dissect them, it's like, oh, yeah,

1512
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,039
I could have figured that out if I was Batman.

1513
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,639
But for the For Paul Dano, first off, I I

1514
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,679
love Paul Dano. I I feel like he's he's one

1515
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:06,840
of those people that he does like on the surface,

1516
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:11,719
he's he's not intimidating, so like I I remember, uh

1517
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,920
when he got castid as the Riddler, it was just

1518
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,960
one of those head scratchy things. And then and then

1519
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:19,400
we were seeing like like the zipper mouth image. That's

1520
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,360
literally why my name is called that, because he just

1521
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,719
looked like one of those dominatrix suits. Like seeing the movie,

1522
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,320
I'm like, oh, it's not a zipper mouth. It's more

1523
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,079
of like a vel girl mouth. But I'm gonna keep it.

1524
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,760
I'm gonna keep zipper mouth because it's fun.

1525
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 5: He can breathe through it.

1526
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,159
Speaker 2: He can breathe through it. But I I love Paul Dano.

1527
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:36,719
I think my first thing I saw him in was

1528
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,679
Little Miss Sunshine, if I remember quickly, he's in that one.

1529
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: And he was one of those those guys actors for

1530
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,920
a very long time of like, oh I've seen him.

1531
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,119
I don't know his name, but I've seen him in stuff.

1532
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,639
Speaker 2: Percent and then this, this is such a great just

1533
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,280
movie for him to be a part of because you

1534
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,960
really get to see his range because he's terrifying behind

1535
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,440
the mask and like doing the riddles and like literally

1536
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,760
having victims in these like saw like traps. And then

1537
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,840
when he takes off the mask and he's at the diner,

1538
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,760
he okay, little tweeby looking, but he's still freaky. Honestly,

1539
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,000
like just the way that they capture him and the

1540
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:13,719
way he laughs.

1541
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:17,159
Speaker 4: That's such a subversion of expectations as well, at least

1542
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,119
for me. You didn't see any trailers, Like I love

1543
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,319
that he's just I know who Paul Dano is. Obviously

1544
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:24,319
can have some expectation, but I love that he was

1545
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,399
a little dewep, but he does he does that little smirk,

1546
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,199
you know, he has all these IDs like you tell

1547
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,239
me that, he just does this like crazy.

1548
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,399
Speaker 1: Well, and that was a good thing too, Like in

1549
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,720
the trailers they hid his face and never showed it,

1550
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,119
and I was I was like, oh, is he gonna

1551
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:41,760
be scarred is something? And no, it's just no, he's

1552
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,000
just a regular Like he's maybe a little tweedy, some

1553
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,359
like scary, but like he's just a regular looking guy.

1554
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,920
There's no huge defining feature where it's like, oh, the Riddler,

1555
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:52,239
look he has this huge thing on his face. He's like, no,

1556
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,159
it's just he could be walking in the crowd. He

1557
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:56,319
walk right by him, right, So I like that, And

1558
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,560
that's very sevenish. When they reveal who the killer is

1559
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,760
in seven, it's just like, oh, it's just normal dude

1560
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,600
for the most part, you know.

1561
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna bring up how we made

1562
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,840
a big point or they made a big point of

1563
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,880
hiding him in the trailers, and it made that reveal

1564
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,279
very interesting because the whole movie, I'm like, I know

1565
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,479
we're gonna see his face. I know we're gonna see

1566
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,239
his face. So then when when it turned out just

1567
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,760
be Paul Daniel, I wasn't disappointed or anything. I'm just like,

1568
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,640
this is almost scarier because he is just a regular

1569
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,279
looking dude.

1570
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,239
Speaker 4: Did you guys sill have the impression that he was

1571
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,079
the main villain of this from the trailers?

1572
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they kind of had that going on. They

1573
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,039
had showed Penguin and catwomen and other thugs went up,

1574
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:37,479
but he it was always about like what is Riddler's

1575
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,640
game and he's terrorizing the city and stuff like that.

1576
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,279
So but I feel like in the film you kind

1577
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,119
of go like there's sections of like Penguins, the main guy,

1578
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,960
falcone Es the main guy, and Riddler, and that's whey.

1579
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,279
I love. It's like very comic booky as far as

1580
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,680
like Long Halloween, It's like that has multiple characters and villains.

1581
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,000
It's like that where Riddler is one of the main threats,

1582
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:58,279
but there's so much of these like little side threats

1583
01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:01,319
happening in side stories where they're trying to deal with Riddler,

1584
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:04,000
but you have penguins stirring up shit. You have Bruce

1585
01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:06,600
in the middle maybe discovering who actually killed his parents,

1586
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,079
which I absolutely love that they did not answer. Could

1587
01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:10,680
have been Maroni, he could have been Falcon or even

1588
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,880
Alfred says, could have just been some thug and that

1589
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:14,880
it has been bugging me this whole time that I

1590
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,399
can't figure it out. So I love that in the

1591
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,800
middle of Riddler is the main villain, but it feels

1592
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,359
almost video gaming too in the main sense, like yeah,

1593
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,840
he's the main boss you're gonna get to, but here's

1594
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,520
all the side stuff you gotta do on the way.

1595
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,760
And I absolutely love that because right when you think

1596
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,399
things are turned around, Nope, Rytha's gonna and you got

1597
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,520
him caught. No, He's gonna flood the city and it's

1598
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,960
And I love that he pulled it off like Batman,

1599
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,960
Like he didn't even save the day, He just like

1600
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,840
make the casualty count go from lesser than than what

1601
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,119
it would have been. But I love that. Lots of

1602
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,319
times we'll have Hey, Kirkland, I'm the Bagguy, I'm gonna

1603
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:49,760
do this thing, and then Kirking goes and stops it

1604
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,960
completely and nothing ever happened where this was no these

1605
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,279
bombs went off, and like I was looking, I was like, Okay,

1606
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:57,640
when the first damn breaks, are they gonna show a

1607
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,439
bunch of people like just miss it? And no, they

1608
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,880
should wat engulf a bunch of people. So it's like

1609
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,479
hundreds of people. So that's this thing of like, yeah,

1610
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,680
sure Batman definitely helped save some lives and Gordon Selena,

1611
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,000
but Riddler like he was mad that he did. His

1612
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:14,279
full plan didn't work, but still his damage to Gotham

1613
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,800
is like gonna be everlasting. Like the whole movie ended

1614
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,960
on like we're we're we don't know what's gonna happen next,

1615
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,920
We're waiting for the National Guard. Everything is flooded. So

1616
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,199
it's like, if we get a sequel, I feel like

1617
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,199
it's the vilm will actually hit what his plan was.

1618
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,560
We'll have some damage going forward. It's not just oh,

1619
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Batman right away, boom boom, got it done and we

1620
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:33,039
move on to the next guy.

1621
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,239
Speaker 2: You know, that was a very big thing. By the

1622
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:39,159
end of this movie, is it wasn't just sunshine rainbows

1623
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:43,039
like it was a very damaged like a lot of casualties.

1624
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,359
There's a lot of death that happened from this, and

1625
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,960
it wasn't everybody like, oh yeah, we're better now, like

1626
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:50,960
at the end of this movie. It's a big resolution,

1627
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:54,079
like like even just Batman and Erring at the end,

1628
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,640
like like the city's flooded, the state of emergency, there's

1629
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,920
martial law like in place like it is. It is

1630
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:04,399
really bad, Like I cannot wait to see the next

1631
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,560
chapter in this story right to see this damage Gotham

1632
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,199
hopefully making strides in the in the right direction, and

1633
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:12,760
there's a lot of hope by the end of it.

1634
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,079
But still, like Batman's saying, like crime is just going up,

1635
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,359
like you know, there's a power vacuum. You see the

1636
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,359
you see penguins licking his lips ready to put his

1637
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:26,680
little his flippers on. Well on Falcon's crime syndicate that

1638
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:27,439
he's gonna be taken over.

1639
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,159
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're going this route. But

1640
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,840
with the ending of that and with the dialogue, one

1641
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,640
of my favorite Batman's story is called Batman No Man's Land.

1642
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:39,239
The difference is Earthquake hit Gotham and the city gets

1643
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:41,560
like broken apart and gets separated, and it gets to

1644
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,159
the point where like Penguin has his territory and Black

1645
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:47,439
Mask has his territory, and they're like little like towns

1646
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,640
within Gotham, but it's like you don't go there because

1647
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,439
that's Choker's side of town or that's that. And I

1648
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,079
feel like that's what they're kind of setting up of

1649
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,399
like the villains that I left are gonna start taking

1650
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,840
over Gotham. Like, yeah, once they get the city back.

1651
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,560
You know, this is Penguin's section here, like when he

1652
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,319
was literally looking on that to me would be fascinating.

1653
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:04,680
And I think they set it up in a very

1654
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,960
natural way. And yeah it was again it had stakes.

1655
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,399
Riddler's plan had steaks, and unfortunately Batman couldn't figure it

1656
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,079
out in time. You know, Oh go on.

1657
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 4: So I have a couple of Riddler questions. So one

1658
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,319
because I I just I guess I just missed this.

1659
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,439
But how does Ridler know that Batman and Bruce are

1660
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:25,159
the same person.

1661
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he does know.

1662
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 3: I think I think I never got that like he

1663
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,800
insinuated it, I think a little bit.

1664
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:34,279
Speaker 5: But outright.

1665
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: It was a fake out. It was a fake out.

1666
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,239
They they edited that way because then after he refers

1667
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:43,720
to Bruce in the third person of oh, we didn't

1668
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,840
get him. And also if because I was talking about

1669
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,640
those family because at first I thought they were making

1670
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,399
as like ambiguous that you could decide. But if you

1671
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,520
look at Ridler's plan and if he was successful and

1672
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,359
would have killed Bruce Wayne, his whole plan would have

1673
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:57,319
went to shit because he would have been leaving all

1674
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:00,640
these riddles for Batman and not coming. So I don't

1675
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,319
think he did put that together because he needed Batman

1676
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:06,840
to get Falcone. Right, if he kills Bruce Wayne, that's

1677
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,199
not gonna happen. So I think they edited that way

1678
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:11,359
to make it seem like he knew. But then he

1679
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,920
said a line that shaid, okay, he you know. It's

1680
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,720
funny because he says, Batman, oh, you're not as smart

1681
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,399
as you think, when literally he hasn't figured out. So

1682
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,319
I think they were trying to do it like a

1683
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:22,239
fake out that he knows but he really didn't know.

1684
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,159
Speaker 2: I was completely like in Dylan's train of thought here

1685
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,039
by the end of the movie, I'm like, that's like

1686
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:29,680
a hole in the movie that they just didn't even

1687
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,399
talk about how everybody just knows as Bruce Wayne, because

1688
01:14:32,399 --> 01:14:35,640
he basically was speaking on camera, you know, to the

1689
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,199
Arkham people that it's like you and Bruce Wayne. He

1690
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:42,119
keeps saying his name, and but I completely misad that situation.

1691
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,560
Luckily I had a buddy with me that completely explained it.

1692
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,479
I'm like, oh, okay, I definitely miss that.

1693
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to rewatch that because I came away

1694
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,359
with a completely different conclusion. And then, yeah, my question

1695
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,239
was gonna be like with the camera, I was like, well,

1696
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:57,760
if he reveals it, then whoever wouldn't they know as well?

1697
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 5: But I guess if he doesn't say it then.

1698
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,279
Speaker 2: That's also why I really thought that way, because it's

1699
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:03,960
almost like they made a point of emphasis of like

1700
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,960
there is Pattinson like look at the camera when he

1701
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:08,920
just keeps saying Bruce Wayne, and then it shows like

1702
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,800
the camera recording, and then that's where I'm like, Okay,

1703
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,399
this is like the end of Batman. And then even

1704
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,680
before he goes to Arkham, he says that line like

1705
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,479
this might be the end of Batman. There's like his

1706
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,640
his wall of I don't know what the fuck you'd

1707
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,720
call it. As master plan Wall. Yeah, there's like a

1708
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,600
photo of Bruce Wayne and then it's like, I know

1709
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,840
the real truth. So it was a lot of push

1710
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,359
in that direction. I think I was just kind of

1711
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:31,600
connecting dots that I guess weren't there, but I thought

1712
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,239
we're there. I thought it was pretty clear, you know,

1713
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:35,560
like if I was a cop there, I would have

1714
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,680
been like, is Bruce Wayne Batman? I don't know. The

1715
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,359
cops are aren't the smartest in this in this universe.

1716
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,520
Speaker 1: But that's why I love that. Yeah, he was bringing

1717
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,760
up Bruce Wayne because that was like his motivation, and

1718
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,680
that was like, I really love Riddler's origin. We had

1719
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,119
talked about this before. I like the orphanage and going

1720
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:53,840
to shit and stuff, but man, I love he just

1721
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,640
took Batman to town in this conversation with two things.

1722
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,760
One of him being referred to as an an Orphan's like,

1723
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,560
you've no idea what an actual orphan is, so like

1724
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,479
takes down Batman. But also it touched upon which I

1725
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,720
think we'll get more and the movies have really never

1726
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,760
Batman begins hint at this a little bit when Riddler's like, oh,

1727
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,920
the only reason I'm doing this is because I saw

1728
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,479
what you were doing, and you inspired me. And that's

1729
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,560
always this great dynamic with Batman is are the villains

1730
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,960
there because they just were born and that's to happen,

1731
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:24,359
or are they cause an effect because Batman started what

1732
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,680
he's doing and now in a response, times have gone

1733
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,600
crazier and even says in the past two years when

1734
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,359
he's been Batman, crime's gone up. So I love that

1735
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,039
because Batman's just saying, you're crazy. You don't know what

1736
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:37,399
you're talking about. But he had really no argument for

1737
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,399
Riddler because he's just like, oh, I saw you were doing,

1738
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,039
you know, your vengeance. We're doing this together. I thought

1739
01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:45,560
you would be completely on board. And I love that

1740
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,199
you have this guy saying and he is mentally ill,

1741
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:49,800
so you could make the case that no matter what

1742
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,520
he was gonna see, eventually he would have been inspired

1743
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,840
to do this. But as of right now, I say no, Like,

1744
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:56,760
once I saw you as a dress as a bad

1745
01:16:57,079 --> 01:16:59,079
I decided, oh yeah, I'm gonna do this too, and

1746
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:02,680
that would be that would that's gonna weigh heavily on

1747
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,600
our character, you know.

1748
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: I think that was another thing that was confusing me.

1749
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,199
Maybe Dylan two of like when he was explaining, like

1750
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,039
you inspired me, and then he's explaining that like you

1751
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:13,760
have no idea what an orphan is, and then he's

1752
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,640
talking about Bruce Wayne. So I'm like, Okay, well he's

1753
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,960
talking to the orphan Bruce Wayne right now that he

1754
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:22,479
has no idea what he's doing, Like like the trials

1755
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,119
and tribulations that Paul Dano went through.

1756
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 5: Maybe that scene people who see it maybe a different conclusion.

1757
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think of Paul Daniel's Riddler? They

1758
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,800
went with the Edward Nash in persona this time, So,

1759
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:38,840
I I.

1760
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,079
Speaker 3: Mean, I I love this iteration of Readler. I thought

1761
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:44,359
it was fantastic. It was scary serial killer, like a

1762
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,760
rite from the introduction like we talked about earlier where

1763
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:50,680
he's flashing and he's just behind the the mayor, Like

1764
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,640
it's just absolutely terrifying.

1765
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: And the sounds he makes when he attacks him, Yeah.

1766
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 3: Just freaking breathing. Pal, I'm the guy. But my interpretation

1767
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:07,279
of that that jail sequence was he I almost feel

1768
01:18:07,319 --> 01:18:10,159
like he was putting it out there, saying, Bruce Wayne

1769
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:13,840
to see and maybe he had his inkling that you know,

1770
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,520
Bruce Wayne could be Batman. I don't know, but because

1771
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,279
you'll make a good point with that plan that he

1772
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:20,840
had Travis, if he kills Bruce Wayne and Batman doesn't

1773
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,319
execute the rest of the plan. But I feel like

1774
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:24,159
he was saying it just to see what would happen,

1775
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,239
you get a rise out of him or something, because

1776
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:30,119
he was saying it in an ah an instigating sort

1777
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:33,119
of way. But you know, nothing happened and came out

1778
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:34,720
of it. So I think he just kind of simmered

1779
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,840
down on that because he didn't get a rise out

1780
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:37,439
of Batman.

1781
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,560
Speaker 1: And that's what I was wondering too, if they were

1782
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,640
and maybe they'll talk about this after if they had

1783
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,000
at first when I thought about more when oh, he

1784
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:46,239
doesn't know. But the very first time I thought about it,

1785
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:48,640
I was thought they were trying to leave it ambiguous

1786
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,279
for the viewer to decide of like he knows or

1787
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:54,800
doesn't know, because he says the line after when he's like, like,

1788
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,119
this mask that I wear is really who I am.

1789
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:58,920
The mask you wear is really who you is. So

1790
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,880
it almost was in situate even if he knows he's

1791
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,159
Bruce Wayne, he doesn't really care because he's more interested

1792
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,600
in the Batman side, because that's who the guy is,

1793
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,079
so I think there is some wiggle room there if

1794
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:10,800
they wanted to play at that in the future.

1795
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing too. You mentioned this earlier on Kirklin

1796
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,520
about how he's just so unstable when the plan doesn't

1797
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,680
go accordingly. There was a moment and this is this

1798
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,000
is my interpretation of this scene when the DA was like, hey,

1799
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:25,880
you know, talking to Selena Kyle like my riyes are

1800
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,920
over there, you can come with me, and we get

1801
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:32,039
that cut to him obviously in the car watching this unfold,

1802
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,439
and that brief moment where Selena Kyle is like just

1803
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,760
kind of like standing there looking and obviously Paul down

1804
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,640
knows what the DA is saying to her. I just

1805
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,239
feel like you get a brief moment of panic from

1806
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,319
the Riddler's point of view here thinking like like shit,

1807
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:49,560
if she comes in, this is gonna be on my planet.

1808
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:53,199
And I really like that moment because you to me,

1809
01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:55,880
I could feel the instability kind of building up in

1810
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,840
the car and then she just goes off and then

1811
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,680
things kind of resumed to normal. So plan goes back accordingly.

1812
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: And what I loved about Riddler is like me and

1813
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:06,359
amily avery big failings. I know many people are if

1814
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:08,840
you watch any like True Crime Dogs, it felt like

1815
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,399
they were trying to make Riddler as close as to that,

1816
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,800
like anytime he was on screen like those possible. I

1817
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,600
loved his apartment when we actually got into it. I

1818
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,600
love the twist that he bought a place like just

1819
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,680
across the street from the Iceberg Lounge. That is something

1820
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,920
and somethingple like, oh that might be for a fetched

1821
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:26,920
you watch some of the sero kills, like that's the

1822
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,279
type of stuff they do, Like that's the things where

1823
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,199
they have these elaborate plans and everything and they have

1824
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:34,479
these and also end up getting caught. But still when

1825
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,560
you look into you like Man the Lakes they went

1826
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,960
to go to not get caught. And I just love

1827
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:41,800
that his whole life literally was building to this point

1828
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,840
and he was just across the way and when that

1829
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,640
sniper goes off, and I love that just kind of

1830
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,760
like what dealing with some of the subversion of expectations

1831
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,680
he escapes, whereas yeah, he's just having some coffee, making

1832
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,479
a little Riddle coffee or tea whatever he was gonna have.

1833
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,039
So I loved that twist that he was he was

1834
01:20:57,159 --> 01:20:59,800
there the whole time, like right underneath their nose. Pretty much.

1835
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I was gonna bring this up earlier,

1836
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,159
and then I think we jumped into just the Batman

1837
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:09,520
talk of like the location of the ice the ice Lounge,

1838
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,600
Iceberg Iceberg Lounge. It was such a fun location to

1839
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,880
go to. I didn't feel like it's like, oh, we're

1840
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,000
back here again, because it felt quite expanse, especially when

1841
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,840
it was revealed that there's like the forty four below,

1842
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,319
Like I had the club within the club, and we

1843
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,520
kept going back there, and I love that we kept

1844
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,520
going back there, you know, Like the first time that

1845
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,680
Batman shows up completely blew my mind. That he was

1846
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,159
just knocking on the front door. That was very surprising

1847
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:36,560
for me. I feel like that just isn't the way

1848
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,319
that I'm used to him him going about. But I

1849
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,680
loved it. He just kicked the shit out of everyone

1850
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:47,359
so so great. And then by the end it's revealed

1851
01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:49,880
that like that's literally where Ruler was the whole time.

1852
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,319
It completely makes sense how he was able to just

1853
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:55,640
get into the DA's car, you know right away. And

1854
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,640
I must say too, that scene when the DA very

1855
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,560
creepy man like trying to get needed to like go

1856
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,359
in his car with him, and then it goes to

1857
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,239
like the point of view of the Riddler in his car,

1858
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,279
just again that heavy breathing, just waiting, like just waiting

1859
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:10,399
for his car is all fogged up because he's free

1860
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,720
so much, so ominous, so terrifying. He was a very

1861
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,359
very scary threat for a guy that I feel like, like,

1862
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:25,479
I don't know, yeah, no exactly. Yeah, Yeah, he's not bane,

1863
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,880
you know, like the normal guy can't take on Baine.

1864
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,359
Speaker 1: Normal guy get that adrenaline, you know thing. I imagine

1865
01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:36,600
that he's just like just baned up. Yeah, that's what

1866
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,760
I love. Tune the credits, they actually they had the

1867
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,880
song that was playing and then they had that same

1868
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,119
song sung by Paul Dannel, like it was two separate tracks.

1869
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:47,159
So it's so funny that Yeah, and I love that

1870
01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:49,760
that theme was Like even the way the movie opened

1871
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,560
with the credits is just it was silence and then

1872
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,439
it was the opera mus I can't remember the actual

1873
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,319
name of it, but it's a popular one. But I

1874
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,319
love that that come that kept coming back. I love

1875
01:22:58,399 --> 01:23:00,319
that I kind of we talked about this before, but

1876
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,399
the Batman theme feels very much like James Bond, where

1877
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,000
it would be throughout the movie but then different versions,

1878
01:23:07,039 --> 01:23:10,039
a piano version of violin version, a really like heavy

1879
01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:12,359
one and the batmanobile one a quieter one. And even

1880
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,439
they did that with Selena's theme too, of like they

1881
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,479
kept using the themes in different scenes but for kind

1882
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,840
of different twists on them. And I loved all that.

1883
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:22,800
And Riddler had a nice little theme too, And yeah,

1884
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,960
it was great and I can't wait to see I'm interested.

1885
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,039
They kept him alive and that's what's interesting to see,

1886
01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:30,119
and we'll talk about the other stuff after. But I

1887
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,199
like that. I like that. Obviously we'll talk about more

1888
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:35,720
of Selena. But as somebody that had his problems with

1889
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,079
BVS and the storytelling, I'm happy that we had a

1890
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,960
Batman literally, you know, he literally says no guns. I

1891
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:44,239
love Gordon's lineup. That's your thing, man, not mine. And

1892
01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:47,560
then he established the killing rule again where I knows

1893
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,800
that's not what I do. Like there's a line and

1894
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,840
I'm not gonna cross it. And that was great, and

1895
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,560
there was only like a little of that with Selena.

1896
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,479
I think they're gonna expand on that more. But I

1897
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,199
love that that setting. The Batman that I prefer has

1898
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:00,279
these rules because it makes it more interesting of a

1899
01:24:00,319 --> 01:24:02,680
story that he's trying to save the city, but he's

1900
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,920
in this box of trying to keep his like personal

1901
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,840
demons in a bottle, you know. And I actually thought

1902
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,399
he was gonna kill that guy when he got the adrenaline.

1903
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,479
I'm like, oh no, he's he's going to cross the

1904
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:12,199
line right now.

1905
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I thought that was going to

1906
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,079
be a really big moment moving forward. Like that really

1907
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,359
haunts him is that he actually like takes a life there,

1908
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,039
especially just with how distraught he was about the possibility

1909
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:25,279
of his dad not even killing a guy directly, but

1910
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,199
being indirectly like the result of someone dying. That really

1911
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:31,760
really stuck with him. So I thought that he just

1912
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,800
squished this guy's face by all these Maine punches there.

1913
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,279
I'm glad it didn't, you know, because the going forward,

1914
01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:43,640
but there's potential for some some really big character stuff there.

1915
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,760
But still I'm glad the way it ended, like him

1916
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,000
holding the hand of that that girl being hell he

1917
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:51,840
lifted away like it was a really nice, heartwarming moment.

1918
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,640
Even though like the city's literally a war zone, like

1919
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,720
it's flooded, it's so many people died, it's so tragic.

1920
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,239
Speaker 1: But just on the roof this Nason Square Garden look

1921
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:04,600
alike building, you know, just like well the show we're

1922
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,960
living for the next week Square Garden. It was like, yeah,

1923
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,640
all right, a little tongue and she like, come on,

1924
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,680
no no one else saw about this, like come on,

1925
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:12,960
we can't get any better name.

1926
01:25:13,079 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 2: But and quickly before I forget, just like how he

1927
01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:20,279
he basically like saved Selena of like preventing her from

1928
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:23,039
killing someone. I thought that was so so great. I

1929
01:25:23,399 --> 01:25:25,760
really thought that she was gonna just end Falcone in

1930
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,560
that moment and then the lights go off, you know,

1931
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,000
plump people would be like, how does she miss that shot?

1932
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:32,640
She was aiming at him? I feel like it's so

1933
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,520
easy to miss a shot like that, especially when the

1934
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,720
lights just go out, you kind of like jump. Easy

1935
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,119
to miss there. But I'm I'm glad he was able

1936
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:40,600
to stop her from doing that.

1937
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: And twice too, Falcon and the guy I remember she

1938
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,520
could kick out the building. And I love the sess

1939
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,359
of use that he did this multiple times where he

1940
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:51,279
would just backgrapple guy's leg like not like their foot,

1941
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:53,840
like he'd like send it through a calf and stuff,

1942
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,079
and like that. Sabam and I like, like, I don't

1943
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:58,119
want him kill a guy, but he could definitely. Like

1944
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:01,119
there's gonna be some hospital bills like all this guy

1945
01:26:01,239 --> 01:26:05,479
shot a backgrapple through my Yeah, well we're gonna have

1946
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,439
to amputate your legs or you were in that water

1947
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,720
all day? Oh fuck, Like I guess I'm not a

1948
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:15,720
cris Yeah, Batman, you killed, Batman kills, Friddlergoon and stuff

1949
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,520
like that. The American Yeah, yeah, you think it's bad

1950
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,680
in America. Look at the Gotham bills. That's the first

1951
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,840
thing I thought though. In the mayor when he does

1952
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,520
the whole light up thing and the mayor was shot

1953
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,479
and she's in that water, I'm like, man, you're gonna

1954
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,479
get like this is gonna be infected this gun like yeah,

1955
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,960
like I don't know if you're gonna survive. But it's funny,

1956
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,680
like we brought the DA. It's kind of funny that,

1957
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,319
oh gee, all of a sudden, Gotham doesn't have a

1958
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,800
DA anymore. I wonder if a certain two faced guy

1959
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,439
might get introduced, Like the second day I got killed,

1960
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,560
it's like, well, like that that to me was a softball, Like, Okay,

1961
01:26:49,159 --> 01:26:50,079
we know what's coming here.

1962
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:50,520
Speaker 2: And I like that.

1963
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, we didn't say Harvey Dan

1964
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,359
or anything, but that's that's the clear, Like here you go.

1965
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 2: It's funny too because when Selena was in the club

1966
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:01,199
and I missed the name first, They're just like, oh,

1967
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:04,000
that's the DA. I'm like, oh, here comes Harvey. Oh

1968
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:11,640
definitely not come back. Yeah, just doing fucking lemon drops

1969
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,960
whatever the hell they call that drug.

1970
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, were they bird drops or there were someone

1971
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,640
to do with a penguin? I thought, right, there was

1972
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,560
some sort of possible something.

1973
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: I forget what it was.

1974
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:24,279
Speaker 1: I just want to break because like I could forget

1975
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:25,720
the just so much, but I did want to say

1976
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:28,199
we tablas for I did like the mystery of the

1977
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:31,159
Waynes being like shady. I liked the whole reveal that

1978
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:33,680
Riddler is just revealing all this stuff in the news.

1979
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,920
And I love Pattison's reaction to finding out that news

1980
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,479
of man, like the way they like made Martha's name

1981
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,279
Martha Arkham and like she got locked in a sign

1982
01:27:43,359 --> 01:27:45,239
And I'm some of that personally thinks Bruce Wayne is

1983
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:47,920
a mentally ill person and it's fucking crazy. So it

1984
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,880
almost is like kind of like fits like his bum

1985
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:54,359
had mental problems and she went in this asylum and

1986
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,279
it's like, this is the son of that. And I

1987
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,359
love that even the whole thing with the reporter getting killed,

1988
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,119
that's still ambiguous. Alfred says, hey, he didn't know that

1989
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:05,720
was gonna happen. Then you have Falcon be like he

1990
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,479
knew exactly what was gonna happen, And there's no straight answer.

1991
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,640
It's up to you to decide, like which way. And

1992
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,439
I love that each movie we've gone so far, the

1993
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,560
Waynes have always just been this glowing hope of like,

1994
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,520
oh they're the perfect people. This was no everyone's shady

1995
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,319
and like Alfred, I loved just him saying like he

1996
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,600
was not a bad person. He just got taken advantage

1997
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,199
of in a very weak state, and he just cared

1998
01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:27,039
about his mother, not the campaign. But I loved everything

1999
01:28:27,079 --> 01:28:29,520
with the mystery. I loved everything with the orphanage, that

2000
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,079
jump scare of just when they're in the hall and

2001
01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:33,920
some dude walks by and it's just a bunch of

2002
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,880
tweakers though, but I was like fuck.

2003
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Like fuck, it's out last, like literally yeah.

2004
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,560
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and everything with falconebe in the rat

2005
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,399
if anyone seemed departed. That was one of my favorite movies,

2006
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,880
and that's just like all ripped from there. I loved

2007
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:49,439
everything the mystery, like how it was constructed, the way

2008
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,560
it unfolded. Loved everything about it till you had your

2009
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:52,960
hand up.

2010
01:28:53,359 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 3: So I didn't realize that the Arkhams were actually like

2011
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,840
another rich Gotham family as they talked about in this

2012
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:01,479
is That actually comic book?

2013
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: They are there's like Jeremiah Arkham. But I and I

2014
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,239
could be wrong here with my knowledge. I don't know

2015
01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:08,960
if Martha's ever been in Arkham though before, Like, I

2016
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,640
don't know if that's been her sort of. I thought

2017
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,520
she was just, you know, a woman that Thomas Wayne

2018
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,239
Men they got married. I could be wrong. Obviously, there's

2019
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:19,119
almost one hundred years of Batman comics, so maybe it

2020
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:21,159
has happened, but I don't think that's ever been something

2021
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:24,439
that's primarily huge into the Batman Menhills as like, oh

2022
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,000
she runs Arkham and all this stuff, or was a

2023
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:29,720
family that there is an Arkham family though, so they've

2024
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,680
kind of maybe just meshed to storylines. And I love

2025
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,840
I as someone that loves Arkham Asylum, like the place,

2026
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,359
the game, everything. I love that we got a lot

2027
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,399
of like references and we got to go there, and

2028
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,600
I'm very excited to see once that place starts filling

2029
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,199
out with some fucking luney tune, people like we already

2030
01:29:45,399 --> 01:29:48,840
seen anything else. Yeah, I'm pretty excited for that because

2031
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,399
it's never been a big thing in the movies. Like

2032
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,520
Nolan's it was there, but they didn't talk about and

2033
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,159
Bbs they talked about it. It's it's just like really

2034
01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:58,079
big place in the comic books that movies have just

2035
01:29:58,279 --> 01:30:00,399
not really gone to. And it's been really strange. Like

2036
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:01,960
you always go to the bat Cave, you always go

2037
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:05,239
certain spots in Gotham, you know, the police station, but

2038
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:07,560
this is one that there's lots of potential to do.

2039
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:10,960
You know, this insane asylum of Batman robes and stuff.

2040
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 3: I want that equivalent scene like from Batman and Robin

2041
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,720
where you see the clothing rack with all the villain's

2042
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,800
costumes on it. I want to see a much more

2043
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,920
darker interpretation of that in this trilogy.

2044
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: You might get it. Yeah, maybe let's take an ad

2045
01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:25,520
break and then Kirkland you can go. So we'll take

2046
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,359
our ad break and then we'll be right back with

2047
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:28,239
Kirkland slots.

2048
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,279
Speaker 2: Hopefully they're good, you know they're not.

2049
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:33,359
Speaker 1: And we're back, so Kirkland.

2050
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just quickly wanted to mention before I forget,

2051
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:39,439
because there's so much fucking to dissect from this movie.

2052
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,319
Three hour movie, a lot of content in there. But

2053
01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:46,279
when Travis you brought it up when Bruce Wayne just

2054
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,520
reacts to the news of his parents just you know,

2055
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,079
being actually sketchy, like his dad possibly being the direct

2056
01:30:53,119 --> 01:30:55,920
result of someone dying. And then he goes to the

2057
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,640
ice Lounge, the Iceberg Lounge, and just as Bruce Wayne

2058
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,840
completely surprised me there and also in the back of

2059
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,399
my mind, I'm like, okay, this is him just like

2060
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,760
doing a Trojan Horse move or something like this where

2061
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,960
he's gonna start kicking ass. But like, no, he was

2062
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:12,000
so genuine with that visit, Like he wasn't there with

2063
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,319
battering Maybe he had them in his boot or something

2064
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,680
just in case, but like he wasn't there just breaking noses,

2065
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,359
Like he literally was just there to get information from Falcone.

2066
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:21,920
And I loved that scene.

2067
01:31:22,039 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 1: It was It was a great scene.

2068
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,520
Speaker 2: It was so good I was not expecting at all.

2069
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: And John Deturo sells it. It's like I was believing

2070
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,119
him a hunt a percent unto Elford's like, no, that's

2071
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,239
not the story. But and I'm so like, I love

2072
01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:38,640
John Deturou all the time, but I was happy to

2073
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,199
see him like he was just almost just purely dramatic

2074
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:43,399
in this role, and I love that. I was super

2075
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,600
disappointed he got shot and there won't be more of him,

2076
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640
but they are making that Penguin Show and that's gonna

2077
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,000
be a prequel, so I'm hoping he pops up in

2078
01:31:50,039 --> 01:31:52,479
that because I loved him as Falcone. He was he

2079
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,560
was so good for just such a minor role.

2080
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,079
Speaker 2: You know, I definitely we probably knew this, but I

2081
01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:00,960
completely forgot that he was in this movie. So when

2082
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,079
he was on screen, I was so pumped. I feel

2083
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:05,720
like I I didn't know his name, but it's just

2084
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,000
like I love that actor, you know, like he's not

2085
01:32:08,359 --> 01:32:10,199
the best actor in the world, but I just love

2086
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:14,159
him in the roles that he's in. And funny enough,

2087
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:15,680
the only one I could really think of that he's

2088
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:24,479
in is Transformers, not big Lebowskism. That's right, Transformers, Jesus,

2089
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,640
that's right for anyone who's new Order the geek first,

2090
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,159
the big Bowski is my favorite movie of all time.

2091
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:33,359
Speaker 5: That is my number one and so I and I've

2092
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:34,800
seen it so many times.

2093
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 4: That that is who he is for me, so to

2094
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,800
have that and once again, I also I didn't know

2095
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,000
he was in this movie, and so it adds this

2096
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:45,359
kind of creepy, sleaziness like backstory to the character in way,

2097
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:46,880
which is you know, it was not there. But once again,

2098
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,119
that's just like a casting thing, like he was so

2099
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:52,119
great in that role. It is a simpler role. But

2100
01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:54,119
I I was so happy to see him and I

2101
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,119
loved all that character stuff with him. And once again

2102
01:32:57,279 --> 01:32:59,560
that scene that see is great. And then he goes back,

2103
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:01,840
he goes back to the hospital and then it's like, oh,

2104
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,000
actually that wasn't all true.

2105
01:33:03,399 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 5: It's good.

2106
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 4: I think maybe one And I don't even know if

2107
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,720
I can really criticize the movie for this. I think

2108
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,920
this maybe just on my end, but I got a

2109
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,199
little bit lost in the shuffle with like there was

2110
01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:16,359
Maroni and he maybe was in charge of some stuff,

2111
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:19,000
and then there's Falcone and then Penguin and like does

2112
01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:21,840
Penguin have his boys or is he just like a

2113
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,720
felcne goon. And then there's like the good cops, but

2114
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,760
then there's also this whole thing of bad cops. So

2115
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:29,479
I got a little bit lost in the shuffle of

2116
01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:33,520
where all these I don't know crime bosses control and

2117
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,479
what was going on. And obviously, as you mentioned, like

2118
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,520
some answers of like who killed his father isn't isn't

2119
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,479
answered here, But that was one thing for me. I

2120
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,199
got a little bit lost in the shuffle, and I

2121
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:46,399
could not tell you who Maroni is or what impact

2122
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:47,840
he is. I guess he was like a drug dealer,

2123
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,079
but I don't really know where he fits in with

2124
01:33:50,199 --> 01:33:51,239
the other puzzle pieces.

2125
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I was surprised, and I actually don't think you're wrong

2126
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,079
that they could have spent even it's already three hours,

2127
01:33:56,079 --> 01:33:57,840
you could spend a few more minutes with some exposition.

2128
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,399
Because Maroni is it's all always foul Cone versus Maroney.

2129
01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:04,560
They're the two big, like normal guy crowning bosses in Gotham,

2130
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,960
and like even if you look at the Nolan trilogy,

2131
01:34:07,039 --> 01:34:09,520
the first Moroni was in the first one Batman Begins,

2132
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,079
and then Falcones in the Dark Night. So I found

2133
01:34:12,119 --> 01:34:15,239
it to be a weird choice that Moroni and taking

2134
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:17,840
down Maroney was such a big deal, and there was

2135
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,279
no actor cast for him. There was not a scene

2136
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,000
that makes me think that that character is gonna come

2137
01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:25,439
up in the sequel because they just didn't have but Moroni.

2138
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,880
Like it's something that I feel it's almost that Harry

2139
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,680
Parlor of the ringsing where if you're the book, where

2140
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,119
you go, oh, I know exactly who this I know

2141
01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:33,039
who they're talking about, but if you don't know who

2142
01:34:33,119 --> 01:34:36,399
Maroni is whatnot. I feel like they didn't like hold

2143
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:37,960
your hand in that part, and I think you they

2144
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,159
could explain that a bit better because I'm like, oh,

2145
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:43,680
we're the amount there talking about him. We had heard

2146
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,600
no casting from Maroney, but like, oh, I guess they

2147
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,720
maybe did a secret casting. We're gonna see something. And

2148
01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:50,479
for such, it almost felt like this was a sequel

2149
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:52,800
when they're talking about Maroney, like you should know this character,

2150
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,079
you know who they're talking about, but you don't. You

2151
01:34:55,159 --> 01:34:56,600
never just say, Okay, I guess he was in One

2152
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,159
Big Mob Boss. But I think they will fill that out.

2153
01:34:59,239 --> 01:35:01,239
Not that that's gonna make this one better in that sense.

2154
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:02,920
It may be in retrospect, but in this movie, I

2155
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,960
think they could have for a little bit, a bit

2156
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:06,760
more explainer stuff, you know.

2157
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could not remember that fal Cone

2158
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,319
was a character in the Dark Knight. Like my knowledge

2159
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:15,399
doesn't go that deep. So for me, it's all new characters,

2160
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,960
and yeah, it's a bit hard to follow it.

2161
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 2: I yeah, like as I knew of the character of

2162
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,840
Falcone from The Dark Knight, but right at the start

2163
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,000
of this movie when they mentioned the name Maroni, I

2164
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,439
was thinking that that was the same person. So going

2165
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,079
into it, I'm like, oh, this is really interesting that

2166
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:35,680
they actually like killed off this character before the or

2167
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,840
yeah he was killed off right, Well he's in prison,

2168
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,520
ok yeah, yeah, so he's just out of the picture.

2169
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,439
So I was I was really surprised that we're going

2170
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,359
this shrore. It's like, Okay, we're gonna see new villains here.

2171
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:47,359
And then obviously when I heard the name fell Coon,

2172
01:35:47,399 --> 01:35:52,000
It's like, oh, okay, there is two. But yeah, I'm

2173
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:56,119
very intrigued on just the crime syndicates and and what

2174
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:59,520
happens they're going forward. I mean, I mentioned Penguin licking

2175
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,159
his lips, you know, on the on there, and we

2176
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:04,720
haven't really talked about him. I don't know if we're

2177
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,359
ready to even go there I'll just quickly mention. Maybe

2178
01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:11,479
I won't quickly mention that, but I I just loved

2179
01:36:12,399 --> 01:36:15,159
which was very different that he wasn't just like the

2180
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:17,560
head honcho, you know, like he was kind of like

2181
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,640
like he's working as we maybe a number two, number

2182
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:26,399
three or something like that, and it was he's got

2183
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:28,560
to get some teeth thenears done.

2184
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,079
Speaker 1: Don't bring up Boba fed on such a good review

2185
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:32,479
right now, I don't want to think about.

2186
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 2: Were ended here.

2187
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, don't. You don't want another reference. But yeah,

2188
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,239
I know he was Falcon's right hand man. That's what

2189
01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:42,800
they said.

2190
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and but is bigger than anyone.

2191
01:36:47,079 --> 01:36:49,399
Speaker 1: You would think he was the number one guy.

2192
01:36:50,039 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 2: I loved him so much. I I really really like

2193
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,520
the character of the penguin for a big part. Again,

2194
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,479
it's like this Jim Carrey thing, say what you wive

2195
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,039
with the Danny DeVito thing. I love it. It's so

2196
01:37:01,399 --> 01:37:04,920
over the top and ridiculous, the Tim Burton one. But fuck,

2197
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:09,119
I love it. But I know that it's Colin Farrell.

2198
01:37:09,319 --> 01:37:11,199
I'm watching it and I'm back in my mind. I'm like,

2199
01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:12,239
that's Colin Farrell.

2200
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's Callin.

2201
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 2: While he's acting I'm telling myself that this is Colin Farrell,

2202
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,600
but I'm like, no, it's wrong. It's a different person

2203
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,039
prosthetics and acting.

2204
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: They better get the Oscar for prosthetics as that makeup is.

2205
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:33,520
And it doesn't even look bad. It doesn't even look

2206
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,960
like a bad like Fats or they. He looks so

2207
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:38,439
believable and yeah, he I don't much just say I'm

2208
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,640
Penguin other than he was just enjoyable. I'm very curious

2209
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:43,880
how they're gonna do a show if him on HBO Max, Like,

2210
01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:46,680
I get you sell it because like it's Penguin, it's Batman,

2211
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,680
it's Callin Farrell. Fair enough, but I'm interested, and I

2212
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,079
think if you're into that, like the crime Syntic Kit

2213
01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:54,279
of Gotham, that's what that show is gonna be about.

2214
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,439
But I'm just so curious because he's not a likable

2215
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,239
he's likable in the sense of like we like him

2216
01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:00,920
as like, oh he's a fun villain, but him to

2217
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,239
be the main character of a show, it's gonna be

2218
01:38:03,319 --> 01:38:05,880
interesting because he's not a likable guy. He's a piece

2219
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,520
of shit. And but yeah, Colin Farrell and knocked out

2220
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,079
of the park. Whether it's the batcave.

2221
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,199
Speaker 4: I'm looking at side by side pictures and it just

2222
01:38:12,319 --> 01:38:13,239
I don't see it at all.

2223
01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:17,520
Speaker 1: I know, right crazy, But whether it was a batmobile

2224
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,000
chase or I really love the scene him and Batman

2225
01:38:20,039 --> 01:38:21,840
had first. I'm just interrogating him and he was like

2226
01:38:22,319 --> 01:38:25,039
seemingly helping out Batman but not really, And I love

2227
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:27,199
that it was just not this like high octane like

2228
01:38:27,239 --> 01:38:29,319
all the second Batman gets penguined, he's gonna lock him up.

2229
01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:31,600
It's like, no, he's gonna pressure him a little bit

2230
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,039
and just see like he can't arrest him, but he's

2231
01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:38,439
gonna you know, I'm very excited to see what dynamic goes.

2232
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:39,880
And I feel like he's gonna be the same way

2233
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:42,359
Scarecrow was in the Nolan trilogy, where Scarecrow just kept

2234
01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:44,960
popping up. That's gonna be Penguin because he wasn't arrested.

2235
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,159
And I liked too when they left him shackle there

2236
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:49,039
for Biden.

2237
01:38:49,279 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 2: He's waddling like a penguin, like literally that's how they

2238
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,439
leave him. So it was hilarious. And then you mentioned

2239
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,960
like the car chase scene. You know, like I knew

2240
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,640
what was how that scene was gonna end because of Dylan,

2241
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:01,239
you didn't know this, but like that's how one of

2242
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,199
the trailers ended, was like hit his car flipped up

2243
01:39:04,399 --> 01:39:06,279
side down, and then you see him, you see Batman

2244
01:39:06,359 --> 01:39:09,880
walking towards him upside down, fucking and then the theme hits.

2245
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:13,760
Oh my, that was so epic. But I was still

2246
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,720
like at the edge of my seat during that entire

2247
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,760
chase scene. We we briefly mentioned like the Batmobile and

2248
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,000
all that stuff, but that scene was so just high

2249
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:25,319
octane and it was it was. I fucking loved it,

2250
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,520
even though I knew how it was gonna end, Like

2251
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,039
I feel like, in the moment, I'm still like.

2252
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:30,159
Speaker 1: This could go anyway.

2253
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: And honestly that that happened a few times in this

2254
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,399
movie where I knew of a scene that hadn't happened yet,

2255
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,199
whether it was the Riddler diner scene or something like that,

2256
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,159
or Batman beating the ship and then you out of

2257
01:39:44,199 --> 01:39:46,720
someone and then you see Selena just like just beating

2258
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,439
the beating his ship. You know, you see Selena like

2259
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,000
fearful of him, just beating the shit out of this guy.

2260
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:58,239
I knew those scenes. I knew that that scene was coming,

2261
01:39:58,359 --> 01:40:00,680
but I was just so engaged in the movie that

2262
01:40:01,159 --> 01:40:04,239
until it happened, it was like, oh Ship, I forgot

2263
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:06,479
about this. I keep saying Ship. Now you guys are

2264
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:07,239
pointed out I got.

2265
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:10,319
Speaker 5: To replace something else explicit tag on this.

2266
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:15,119
Speaker 2: But I think that just goes to show how how

2267
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:18,920
engaging this movie really was, because even like you know,

2268
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:20,319
if you see the movie and then you go back

2269
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:22,199
to the traps, you're like, oh, they showed this. Maybe

2270
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,520
they shouldn't have, but what whatnot. I didn't get that

2271
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,279
feeling during the movie at all.

2272
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,239
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to be a cobble plot

2273
01:40:30,279 --> 01:40:34,199
guy right like that, Like I feel like, well, yeah,

2274
01:40:34,399 --> 01:40:34,760
you know what.

2275
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:35,159
Speaker 2: I mean, Like.

2276
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:43,319
Speaker 3: I've I've I've never been like a massive like Penguin fan.

2277
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,319
Dany DeVito's penguin used to just scare the fucking daylights

2278
01:40:46,319 --> 01:40:47,239
out of me when I was a little kid.

2279
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:49,680
Speaker 2: It's pretty gross. Those teeth and the nose and everything.

2280
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,239
Speaker 1: It was literally literally reads oil.

2281
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, he's got his penguin like secret agents.

2282
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,279
Speaker 1: With like the back. Yeah, I know some breathing he

2283
01:41:00,359 --> 01:41:00,880
in that movie.

2284
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that was freaky fucking but yeah, this iteration like yeah,

2285
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,880
you don't even recognize that it's call and it's just

2286
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,760
absolutely bonkers. But I loved his performances as Penguin. It

2287
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,199
was really cool. Just he just kept popping up and

2288
01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:20,119
I was totally okay with it. Yeah, the interview interrogation

2289
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:23,239
at first, and then that's segueing to him being you know,

2290
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:27,359
captured and like interrogated under shackles and stuff like that,

2291
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,760
and then him popping up again when they're arresting Falcony

2292
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,760
and there's like fifty cops, like good cops out front,

2293
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,279
and Penguin doesn't give a fuck. He whips his gun

2294
01:41:37,359 --> 01:41:38,840
out to shoot Cony.

2295
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: It's like he finally has like kee can out the

2296
01:41:42,079 --> 01:41:44,359
power and he's gonna throw it away in this And

2297
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:46,920
when falcon he got shot, I was like, oh my god,

2298
01:41:47,039 --> 01:41:49,239
he literally did just shoot him in front of thebody's

2299
01:41:49,399 --> 01:41:51,680
very No, I didn't even know what.

2300
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,319
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. It's like we're going to.

2301
01:41:56,039 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he only got saved because like Riddler

2302
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,640
just happened to be there that moment.

2303
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely, But the whole sequence with the car

2304
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,359
chase and stuff, I like, yeah, we did get to

2305
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:07,840
see a bit of that in the trailer, in that sequence,

2306
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,199
but holy shit, just get into actually behold it and

2307
01:42:11,319 --> 01:42:13,680
like witness it here. It just was so great him

2308
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,039
just like driving around him laughing and freaking out and

2309
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:19,800
sco just the score was so good. Him just yelling

2310
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,159
at the trucks that he kept getting stuck behind was funny.

2311
01:42:22,359 --> 01:42:24,439
It was just such a good sequence.

2312
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we talked about Penguin. Uh, maybe we should

2313
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,000
talk about Slena Kock because we haven't talked about her yet. Tiff,

2314
01:42:33,159 --> 01:42:34,640
you always keep going laught, so you know, I'll let

2315
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:36,119
you have the floor. What do you think about Slena

2316
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,279
Kock because she's not They didn't drop cat Woman once

2317
01:42:38,319 --> 01:42:40,079
in this. I feel like it's kind of similar to Penguin,

2318
01:42:40,119 --> 01:42:42,720
where this is the start and you'll probably see like

2319
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,920
a higher costume going forward. But you have Slena Kyle

2320
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,560
in this Moe who's pretty much a cold lead in

2321
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,039
this one for quite a bit of it.

2322
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:51,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2323
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 3: I quite like Zoe as Catwoman, and this sure did

2324
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:55,960
a really really good job.

2325
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,359
Speaker 1: Zoe rob He's on first.

2326
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 5: It's interesting when you picked me all in.

2327
01:43:01,279 --> 01:43:04,399
Speaker 1: You know, I really liked a.

2328
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Hathaway as as Catwoman as well. But seeing you know,

2329
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,720
a new iteration is always a good time. And she

2330
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:13,920
was just super super fun and mysterious and just she

2331
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,600
she just she fit the bill. She fit the role

2332
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:23,359
so well, and I really am what was that one

2333
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:29,119
part o? Her being related to thee to Falcony was

2334
01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:33,920
an interesting twist as well. I wasn't expecting that, but yeah,

2335
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:36,479
just her dynamic and her just trying to like get

2336
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,880
revenge and just be killing people and Batman's like, no,

2337
01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:41,680
stop it and all that stuff. But like the sexual

2338
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,760
tension between her and Batman was really really nice. It

2339
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,079
was kind of it's really.

2340
01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Sequel.

2341
01:43:51,319 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 2: That's why I stayed through the end credit.

2342
01:43:54,119 --> 01:43:56,319
Speaker 3: But no, she was just fantastic and I love to

2343
01:43:56,399 --> 01:43:58,000
just riding the motorbikes around and stuff like that. I

2344
01:43:58,119 --> 01:43:59,840
loved when he gave her the eyepiece and she put

2345
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:03,319
she was in the club like interrogating and like ground

2346
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:04,520
It was a lot of fun.

2347
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,119
Speaker 2: When she was.

2348
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 3: Trying to get the money and she saw her former

2349
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,760
you know colleague unfortunately bushered death inside.

2350
01:44:14,319 --> 01:44:18,520
Speaker 1: The former colleague this was my former call.

2351
01:44:20,079 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 2: Acquaintance.

2352
01:44:21,359 --> 01:44:23,560
Speaker 1: Like, he's not wrong. They did work at the club, right,

2353
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,840
so it's like he's not making a false statement. It's

2354
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:31,319
just I don't think that's why she would describe her friend. Yeah,

2355
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,119
like if I if someone if I find Taylor Dan

2356
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:36,119
in the back of someone's trunk and be like, oh.

2357
01:44:36,079 --> 01:44:40,039
Speaker 2: No, my colleague, that's the politically correct term, right, Yeah,

2358
01:44:40,119 --> 01:44:42,279
now he'll be in your trunk. What are you talking about?

2359
01:44:43,159 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't have a trunk. I don't drive, he'll

2360
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,720
be in my bike. Could just be a dead body

2361
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,560
just strapped to it. Dylan is, what do you think

2362
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,960
about Zoe Zoe Kravitz as Lenika.

2363
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she stole the show for me. She

2364
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:04,239
was so captivating on every single scene. There's just this

2365
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:08,720
mystery tour. She's completely reckless. That made it so you

2366
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:11,479
just couldn't predict what she was gonna do moment to moment.

2367
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,119
Obviously you guys brought up she just like was open

2368
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:16,640
to kill these people, and she did the action to

2369
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,920
do it. But then you know, someone else saves the day.

2370
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:21,560
So it just yeah, I just added this element to

2371
01:45:22,319 --> 01:45:24,399
this unpredictable element too, where I you know, I didn't

2372
01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:27,359
know if she would go against Batman or continue to

2373
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:31,560
work with him. The acting is phenomenal. I like the

2374
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,880
little details. Yeah, like they never say cat.

2375
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 5: Woman outright, but just a little thing.

2376
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 4: So when they're in her apartment and she just like

2377
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,920
chooses to drink milk instead of something else. Or she

2378
01:45:41,039 --> 01:45:43,640
does the walk, which is obviously just very you know,

2379
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,800
she's throwing those hips back and forth but all just

2380
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:47,479
a foot in front of the other, very much like

2381
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,640
a cat. The Nine Lives line, I really liked that line.

2382
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,479
And then she just pieces off the roof.

2383
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very risky. Imagine she just fucking splat and

2384
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:56,319
that was.

2385
01:45:56,359 --> 01:45:58,159
Speaker 2: Like the end of her you know, yeah, that was

2386
01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:00,560
the main thing. When she jumped, I'm like, what does

2387
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:01,079
she just miss?

2388
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:07,159
Speaker 4: You know, that's good lives what I was Also, I

2389
01:46:07,239 --> 01:46:09,640
looked at her IMDb page off from like, man, I've

2390
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,319
seen her in like four or five things. Actually, somehow

2391
01:46:12,359 --> 01:46:14,479
I feel like I never have. She's always just been

2392
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,039
in like kind of minor roles. But yeah, like this

2393
01:46:17,359 --> 01:46:20,239
was this was amazing. I was so impressed by the

2394
01:46:20,279 --> 01:46:23,000
performance all around. And the tension between her and and

2395
01:46:23,399 --> 01:46:27,359
Robert Pattison is just amazing. So yeah, to me, it

2396
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,720
was very amazing. I like the ending to that shot

2397
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,079
of them going on their bikes and kind of racing

2398
01:46:33,159 --> 01:46:35,359
each other a little bit and then going separate ways

2399
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,279
and you see Batman looking his look in his mirror,

2400
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:40,640
but does she do do the same? We don't know, uh,

2401
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,880
And then she kind of just it's like she doesn't

2402
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:43,520
just go over the hill.

2403
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:44,399
Speaker 5: She like disappears.

2404
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 1: It's like a figment of his imagination, like she was

2405
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,439
never fucking there, Like no, Yeah, I love that shot

2406
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,920
of because they say bye, and I feel like, man,

2407
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:54,840
this is really awkwards, like when you say by your friend,

2408
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,079
but then you're still like leaving. Oh I forgot my jacket,

2409
01:46:57,159 --> 01:46:59,800
like like so they're driving together, but I love the

2410
01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:03,199
shot of them literally stopped and they go their separate

2411
01:47:03,239 --> 01:47:05,399
ways and almost like because what I like is she

2412
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,640
turns left and I thought it was gonna go they're

2413
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,039
gonna go straight, and they're gonna both turn at the

2414
01:47:09,039 --> 01:47:11,600
same time. She turns left and Batman turns right, like

2415
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,640
on a five second delay, and he's just sitting there,

2416
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,439
and I think from when you see the mirror in

2417
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,199
his face shot, you can imagine there's like a struggle

2418
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,319
of like what if I did take a left, you like,

2419
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:22,960
what if I went that direction? He doesn't. Because I

2420
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:25,000
love the line when she's like, oh, you're already spoken

2421
01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:26,840
for and she's referring to the bat signal and it's

2422
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:28,960
like she's kind of giving that speech that happens in

2423
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,039
every Batman story of just like you're gonna do this forever,

2424
01:47:32,199 --> 01:47:34,159
like it doesn't matter what you say, you can say

2425
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:35,720
all this city is getting better. It's like you're gonna

2426
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,239
You're gonna die in this cow And I love that

2427
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:40,560
shot of just him looking and I like that's the

2428
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,159
final Like that's where I think if we get the triljan,

2429
01:47:43,159 --> 01:47:44,840
which I think is gonna happen, I think she'll be

2430
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,119
in each movie because I think this was a big

2431
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:49,159
semblance of this was the meet cue them getting to

2432
01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:50,680
know each other. But the last show in the movie

2433
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,439
is him looking at Selena. You know to me that

2434
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,239
that speaks volumes to what Matt Reeves might want to

2435
01:47:56,319 --> 01:47:58,279
do with these two characters going forward. And I have

2436
01:47:58,399 --> 01:48:01,039
a whole trilogy of Batman and Catwoman, my favorite like

2437
01:48:01,239 --> 01:48:03,840
duo in any sort of media. I love it. And

2438
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,760
they had the chemistry they read I was wondering like

2439
01:48:07,039 --> 01:48:08,720
were they even gonna be kissing? How far they were

2440
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,079
gonna go? And right away they play up that will

2441
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:14,479
they won't be they they they play that like perfect match,

2442
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,920
but match made in Heaven or match made in hell

2443
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,199
as far as they get each other. But she's willing

2444
01:48:19,279 --> 01:48:21,600
to break the law or kill people where he's not.

2445
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:23,600
There's all this good stuff.

2446
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 3: He was contemplating that vigorous night, and he's looking at this.

2447
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,399
Speaker 1: Said that first kiss like he was throbbing in that

2448
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:33,920
bats that batsuit was ready took a bust right now,

2449
01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:36,800
you know. And that scene though, like you show out

2450
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,560
two of the whole the islands, that to me, I

2451
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:41,760
love because it felt very much like a video game

2452
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:43,560
of like seeing Selena's point of view and her just

2453
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,439
like going to characters. I'm just like, no, you gotta

2454
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,359
scan all the faces, like I feel like we've like

2455
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,720
in the Spider Man game del when you play as MJ.

2456
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,119
That's what that scene felt like, Like this is the

2457
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:55,199
walking character scene. But he just learned so much. And

2458
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:58,479
I'm somebody I love Michelle Pfeiffer, so that was very

2459
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,520
hard to match it. I think she did. I still

2460
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:03,880
prefer fight for a bit, just because there's some characters

2461
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,439
stuff in there, but this, like the fighter thing was

2462
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,439
one to one to one hundred really quick. They're taking

2463
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:10,920
a slow burn with her. I think this is one

2464
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:12,880
If you don't know Zoe Kravitz. It's like a star

2465
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:16,199
making type of performance. It's so cool that she voiced

2466
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,279
Catwoman in Lego Batman and here we are years later

2467
01:49:19,319 --> 01:49:22,000
and she's doing this And I thought they nailed it

2468
01:49:22,039 --> 01:49:24,720
because I liked Hathaway enough. But one thing that they

2469
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,000
didn't nail those movies is bail and her did not

2470
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,640
have that chemistry where you're just like, oh, I got

2471
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,359
I want to see these together so bad. You didn't

2472
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:35,079
have that here. You what you want is at the

2473
01:49:35,159 --> 01:49:37,359
end of the movie you want for yourself to have.

2474
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,239
You want to want Batman to go with her. You know,

2475
01:49:40,359 --> 01:49:42,000
even though you want him to be the Batman, you

2476
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:44,439
want him to be like, uh, just go Selena, like

2477
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:46,680
take off. I was lot. He might take off his

2478
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,720
mask on that last little bit because she's just asking, hey,

2479
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:51,800
maybe if you want me to stay, but he gives

2480
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:53,600
her the cold shoulder. But even if he doesn't want,

2481
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,039
that's that's the perfect And they use this line in

2482
01:49:56,119 --> 01:49:59,199
Crazy Stupid Love. But she has that the perfect combination

2483
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:02,199
of Sweden's actually because she is a gorgeous woman. She's

2484
01:50:02,279 --> 01:50:04,960
doing all those very seductive things, but there's moments where

2485
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:10,479
she feels very innocent or very exposed in a way

2486
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,680
where like that scene where she's checking on Batman after

2487
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:15,479
he's been shot with the Shatka and stuff, she looks

2488
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,199
very concerned and she looks very hurt, and even the stuff,

2489
01:50:18,199 --> 01:50:22,119
she looks very insecure with Falcone. And yeah, they did

2490
01:50:22,199 --> 01:50:24,039
a great job. I think that's all to the writing.

2491
01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:26,239
And I do hope if there is a trilogy that

2492
01:50:26,359 --> 01:50:29,720
she's in everyone, because I think they're nailing the dynamic already.

2493
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:32,800
I think it could only grow more. And I was

2494
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,159
surprised they left on good terms. I didn't think that

2495
01:50:35,279 --> 01:50:37,199
would be the case, and I do like that again,

2496
01:50:37,399 --> 01:50:39,960
so he knows that she's Sleeina and maybe we would

2497
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:42,520
become Catwoman. She doesn't know, so that's a big real

2498
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,239
that could happen. I thought for sure when she was

2499
01:50:45,279 --> 01:50:47,159
gonna go kill Falcone and he showed up to the

2500
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:49,840
club as Bruce Wayne, I thought she was gonna see

2501
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:51,840
him and then figure out like, oh, the only reason

2502
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,399
Bruce Wayne would be here is because he knew, like

2503
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,079
Batman knew I was gonna be here. But nope, they

2504
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,640
still hit it and he does a lot of costume changes.

2505
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:00,479
Bruce Wayne and this like to get on that bike

2506
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,119
and off he's taken that klan off. But yeah, I

2507
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:04,800
thought she did a fantastic job.

2508
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:08,159
Speaker 2: That's actually something I forgot to bring up with The Batman.

2509
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,960
I love that it wasn't like he wasn't just relegated

2510
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,199
to using the batmanobile to get around, Like he could

2511
01:51:14,279 --> 01:51:16,079
just take off the cow put on a helmet and

2512
01:51:16,119 --> 01:51:17,479
then he just looks like a regular dude on a

2513
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,479
bike with like a big coat that covers the whole suit.

2514
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:22,840
I love that. That was very very new for me

2515
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,319
experiencing The Batman. But yeah, Zoe Kravitz is Selena Kyle.

2516
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,800
She was ten out of ten for me. I loved

2517
01:51:30,039 --> 01:51:34,000
everything about her. I was I think I was expecting

2518
01:51:34,079 --> 01:51:39,279
this really calm, cool, collected character that wouldn't put herself

2519
01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:42,960
in a vulnerable situation. But many times she was like

2520
01:51:43,079 --> 01:51:45,000
there's many times she was scared. There's many times that

2521
01:51:45,079 --> 01:51:47,479
she was like asking Batman for help. And I loved

2522
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,760
all that stuff. Travis, you mentioned like it's probably like

2523
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,399
big writing, and absolutely I tip my hat to them.

2524
01:51:54,399 --> 01:51:58,399
They're fantastic with what they did with the character. Pattinson

2525
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,079
and her very attractive people. I love just seeing them,

2526
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:04,720
you know, having that that on screen chemistry. And this

2527
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,279
is a character that I really really want to see

2528
01:52:07,319 --> 01:52:10,000
stick around for the trilogy and just see that that

2529
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,680
relationship Ebb and Flow, you know, like this it wasn't

2530
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,720
all sunshine rainbows with them, like they did definitely had

2531
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:21,439
their disagreements, like when when Batman like knocked the gun

2532
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:22,920
out of her hand, like when they're up on the

2533
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,720
on the sky rise there, like that was like, you know,

2534
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:29,079
because they were very even from like Bruce Wayne's perspective,

2535
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:32,359
he was very like like enamored by her, Like it

2536
01:52:32,359 --> 01:52:34,239
seemed like anytime he was looking at her, he would

2537
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,079
he almost forgets that. He's like in the middle of

2538
01:52:36,119 --> 01:52:39,239
a mission, It's like, what is this just screeping on her?

2539
01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 1: At one point, tholars a little too much. I was like,

2540
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,560
oh man, Bruce, you gotta look somewhere else.

2541
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:47,239
Speaker 2: But when she's all around, yeah, and he's just like

2542
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:49,520
for information, He's like he's like.

2543
01:52:51,039 --> 01:52:51,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2544
01:52:53,039 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 2: But the example I was going to bring up was

2545
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,239
like when he's uh kind of interrogating cobble Pot and

2546
01:52:58,399 --> 01:53:01,079
then he just keeps like looking in the reflection and

2547
01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:03,279
like I guess you could put it like he's just

2548
01:53:03,399 --> 01:53:06,359
checking out all the threats, but like like couple plots

2549
01:53:06,399 --> 01:53:08,960
talking but like I think he's not really understand what

2550
01:53:09,039 --> 01:53:11,319
he's hearing. Luckily, he's got the contact, so he's kind

2551
01:53:11,319 --> 01:53:16,359
of capturing anything and everything. But she, she was, She

2552
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:19,600
was amazing. I she just like also just the look

2553
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,880
of like a sleek catwoman, like she just had that

2554
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,960
I loved with her short hair. She she just absolutely

2555
01:53:25,079 --> 01:53:27,520
killed it. But I think the thing that really surprised

2556
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:29,880
me is what I was saying of like her willing

2557
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,680
to be vulnerable, like her showing emotion that she was

2558
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,760
just terrified for her friend Anka just being disappeared, and

2559
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,119
then when she found out that she was murdered, like

2560
01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:42,840
completely distraught, and like she was becoming vengeance, you know,

2561
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,279
like she wanted to have her revenge on her friend

2562
01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:48,600
and I she was ten and ten For me, I

2563
01:53:49,079 --> 01:53:52,119
loved all of that. At the end when she was walking,

2564
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:55,000
when she was going away, I was kind of expecting

2565
01:53:55,039 --> 01:53:58,520
to drop the line like I forget what Batman said,

2566
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:01,640
but her to like actually say like Bruce, I don't know.

2567
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:03,520
In the back of my mind, I was expecting that

2568
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:05,920
and then him be like what you know, and then

2569
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,920
then they just go there. That's not me.

2570
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:15,199
Speaker 1: I'll beat the shit out of you. It's over for you.

2571
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,279
Speaker 2: But you know, like when it didn't happen, I I

2572
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,039
think it's better that that it didn't. It allows us

2573
01:54:22,119 --> 01:54:25,119
to have that reveal in the second or third movie

2574
01:54:25,159 --> 01:54:27,199
whenever it happens. I think I think it would have

2575
01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:32,279
happened in the second movie, just because like, so, what

2576
01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:35,199
was that some day it'll happen. Yeah, some day it'll happen.

2577
01:54:36,399 --> 01:54:39,600
But she was phenomenal. I loved it. I was excited

2578
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:42,520
to see her on screen, and she really she really delivered.

2579
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:45,600
And uh, I mean the writer's delivered with their character.

2580
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 1: So let's let's see here. Yeah, let's take one more

2581
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,760
ad break here and then we can talk. Oh, I

2582
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,359
guess I know where we're going next to talk about

2583
01:54:55,359 --> 01:54:57,920
one certain character and then maybe some other things and

2584
01:54:58,199 --> 01:55:00,920
uh get to the end points we be right back

2585
01:55:03,239 --> 01:55:04,960
and we're back. So yeah, one other guy we have,

2586
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,439
Tobo's Gordon. I just want to say, I really like Gordon.

2587
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,920
I think he works as like a perfect like Watson

2588
01:55:11,039 --> 01:55:13,560
to Sherlock home sort of psidekick. I love that they

2589
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,359
feel like legit partners. I think they gave him a

2590
01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:18,039
lot of good one liners, but in the sense of

2591
01:55:18,079 --> 01:55:19,720
like I said the whole like, hey, that's your deal,

2592
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,760
not mine to the guns line. I love, like, Man,

2593
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,239
I've been working with you two years and I don't

2594
01:55:23,239 --> 01:55:24,680
even know who you are. He would just have this

2595
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,359
little dialogue that was felt like he's saying it to Batman,

2596
01:55:27,399 --> 01:55:29,920
but almost to hisself, just like what am I doing here?

2597
01:55:30,039 --> 01:55:32,960
Like I'm teaming up with this bat But I love

2598
01:55:33,279 --> 01:55:34,920
until the end of the movie it is literally just

2599
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:37,920
them against the world. Sometimes the movies say that, but

2600
01:55:38,039 --> 01:55:40,640
this one actually feels like that. It just feels like, man,

2601
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,880
Gordon can't trust anybody, and I actually love that. I

2602
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:47,239
think for the first time, Gordon felt very aggressive towards Batman.

2603
01:55:47,279 --> 01:55:49,279
He would push around. There's that one moment when he

2604
01:55:49,359 --> 01:55:50,880
said he need a minute, he like punched him in

2605
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:52,600
the chest. He's like, like, what the hell are you doing?

2606
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:55,319
Like I love that. It was not always just Batman

2607
01:55:55,439 --> 01:55:57,880
being above Gordon, like, oh, puny cop, like I'm the

2608
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,359
billionaire and Batman you do what I say. There's where

2609
01:56:00,359 --> 01:56:03,520
Gordon really pushed back on him, and I thought they

2610
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,560
had a great chemistry. Jeffrey right, He's one of those

2611
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:07,159
guys that he's popped up in a bunch of stuff

2612
01:56:07,159 --> 01:56:09,560
for years, he's always good and again he's good here.

2613
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:13,119
He just feels he Gordon is the quintessential Tom Hanks

2614
01:56:13,239 --> 01:56:15,439
character where he's just a normal guy trying to do good.

2615
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,199
Sometimes that can be a boring role. Gary Oldman did

2616
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:20,920
it very well. I think he did it very well

2617
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,399
as well. So I'm saying lots of well it's my shit,

2618
01:56:23,479 --> 01:56:27,800
like Kirklands, but yeah, I'm very excited to see more

2619
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,439
of interres with him. But if it was just even

2620
01:56:29,479 --> 01:56:31,560
this movie, I thought he was a great counterpoint to

2621
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,760
Batman and kind of trying to be the torch bearer

2622
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,000
of the good guy cops or a change for Gordon.

2623
01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:40,279
Speaker 4: So one hundredcent agree. I think he's another actor too

2624
01:56:40,399 --> 01:56:43,079
that seen him around but always in like very minor roles.

2625
01:56:43,159 --> 01:56:44,680
So it was cool to see him in a much

2626
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,680
bigger role and he was in it a lot. And yeah,

2627
01:56:48,079 --> 01:56:51,600
I just think the once again casting was great on

2628
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:55,279
this one. And yeah, I'm happy he's he's gonna be around,

2629
01:56:55,319 --> 01:56:57,960
And yeah, I don't think I have too much ad

2630
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,239
on what you said, but I really liked his, uh

2631
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,079
his addition, and he was in a lot like he

2632
01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:05,800
had a lot more screen time than al Ford, for example,

2633
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:08,880
which I don't know if that's normal, but anyway.

2634
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 2: He was in a lot and it was good to see. Yeah, No,

2635
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:17,039
I definitely agree he was. He was great. I've really

2636
01:57:17,079 --> 01:57:19,479
really grown to like Jeffrey Write a lot. I feel

2637
01:57:19,479 --> 01:57:21,520
like I've always liked him, but he's just I didn't

2638
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,680
see him in like big roles, so it's like, oh, yeah,

2639
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,840
that guy's good. But then I would like forget about him.

2640
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:27,600
He probably would be overshadowed by like some of the

2641
01:57:28,359 --> 01:57:32,640
the bigger protagonists in in whatever media thing I was

2642
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:35,439
experiencing with him, but then obviously big time on my

2643
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,640
radar because he was the Watcher and what if super

2644
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:42,399
just lovable, iconic voice. It's it's so it's so powerful,

2645
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,760
and seeing him as as Gordon here it was it

2646
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:47,840
was awesome. You know, Travis, he mentioned like the buddy

2647
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:52,319
cop thing that was so great, and yeah, no, I

2648
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,119
I don't think I have much to say because you

2649
01:57:55,279 --> 01:57:57,560
just you just nailed it and he was he was,

2650
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:01,039
He was fantastic. I'm really excited to to just have

2651
01:58:01,439 --> 01:58:03,520
that pairing moving forward, you know, like I'm glad he

2652
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,560
didn't die or anything like that I I wasn't sure

2653
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,720
if he was going to be a target. He wasn't

2654
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:10,319
sure if he's gonna be a target. That man reassured

2655
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:12,079
him and he's like, no, you're a good cop. You

2656
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:14,880
were not going to be targeted. And I'm glad he

2657
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,600
wasn't because I I don't you know, like Gary ol Yeah,

2658
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:22,199
Gary oldman in the Dark Knight trilogy. That's his name, right,

2659
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:27,520
It always sounds weird. Yeah, okay, like he he went

2660
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:29,399
through a lot of shit in that trilogy. I'm glad

2661
01:58:29,439 --> 01:58:32,760
in at least the first movie, which Eff writes Gordon,

2662
01:58:33,479 --> 01:58:36,439
you know, it's nothing too crazy, especially like reading through

2663
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,840
uh the CBVs that we're doing. It's like, fuck, Gordon

2664
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:43,199
has gone through so much terrible ship in his day.

2665
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,960
It's nice to just have, you know, dealing with a

2666
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,279
lot of corruption and dealing with a lot of krup cops.

2667
01:58:48,319 --> 01:58:52,199
But still is his wife and kids weren't being kidnapped here.

2668
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: He is married. I saw a ring on his finger though,

2669
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:56,560
so Barbara's potential.

2670
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,640
Speaker 2: So the New DA is gonna just kidnap with his family.

2671
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:02,439
Speaker 1: It's about what's fair.

2672
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

2673
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 3: Well, Jeffrey Wright, my first experience with him would have

2674
01:59:11,039 --> 01:59:14,319
been Hunger Games, and like, right away, like he stood

2675
01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:15,800
out as a prominent actor.

2676
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:23,520
Speaker 6: So getting you know that prominent he looked, Yeah, he's

2677
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,439
going to be a Batman w as Batman.

2678
01:59:26,399 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking, like middle school tailor is, Like, that's

2679
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,199
a prominent actor, a prominent one.

2680
01:59:32,279 --> 01:59:35,439
Speaker 3: Seeing him in the role of Gordon was fantastic. I

2681
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,720
loved just hiding the dynamic, especially we we saw this

2682
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:42,720
scene shared earlier when him and Batman had the one

2683
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:45,119
on one and the cops are waiting outside the room,

2684
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,359
and I just love that. I love it so much

2685
01:59:48,439 --> 01:59:50,000
when he leans and he's like, you know you're gonna

2686
01:59:50,079 --> 01:59:52,760
hit me, take this key, go down that hall, and

2687
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,479
and afterwards it's like, you know, you could have pulled

2688
01:59:55,479 --> 01:59:58,920
your punch back a little bit. I did. I did. Yeah,

2689
01:59:59,079 --> 02:00:02,359
their dialogue was so good together. I loved how they

2690
02:00:02,479 --> 02:00:05,439
played off of each other, and I just I loved

2691
02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:09,399
how he just really fought for him and advocated for Batman,

2692
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:11,319
just showing up right from the get go when the

2693
02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:13,199
commissioner strolls and like what the hell is he doing

2694
02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:15,199
here and everything like that. It's just it was great

2695
02:00:15,239 --> 02:00:18,079
to see this. And yeah, I mean you mentioned it earlier.

2696
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:20,800
Like that mask was coming off without Gordon there.

2697
02:00:21,239 --> 02:00:24,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I oh go ahead, Oh I

2698
02:00:24,479 --> 02:00:26,720
was gonna say I loved how intenset scene was when

2699
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:28,279
people were trying to take off his mask. At one

2700
02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:30,520
point they throw Batman in the side. They're like, that's it,

2701
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,800
you assaulted off. So we're gonna rescue for assaulting one,

2702
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,680
and it's like, you should rest me for assaulting three

2703
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:37,600
and Gord's like no, hey, like bat One was ready

2704
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:41,600
to rain down hell and brimstone on these cops because like,

2705
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:43,279
at the end of the day, most of them are dirty.

2706
02:00:43,319 --> 02:00:45,000
So it's like, yeah, not that he doesn't care, but

2707
02:00:45,039 --> 02:00:47,199
it's just like he's not gonna feel bad about doing it.

2708
02:00:47,319 --> 02:00:49,720
So I loved everything. And when he's just running through

2709
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,680
the police section like I'm actually if you're doing your job,

2710
02:00:52,039 --> 02:00:56,439
and just then yeah, a man, a bat outfit just

2711
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:58,720
runs at full speed and you're just like, fuck, I'm

2712
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:00,880
going back to Detroit like I'm not gonna be like

2713
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:03,560
off them here like the and I love when he

2714
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:06,600
justies like that. I love the batgrapple comes out of

2715
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:08,399
his wrist and when you just go up there that

2716
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:11,319
shot of just call a seme of just like cops

2717
02:01:11,439 --> 02:01:14,279
just trying to shoot at him. He's just going And yeah,

2718
02:01:14,359 --> 02:01:17,199
that was a great little set piece there in the prison.

2719
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 2: I love just what you brought up there of like

2720
02:01:22,319 --> 02:01:26,159
Batman basically understanding that majority of people in this room

2721
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:29,560
are the enemy, like they are working for the bad guys,

2722
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:33,039
and it's it's that really interesting dynamic where you know,

2723
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:37,239
he trusts, he trusts Gordon, and Gordon trusts him. But

2724
02:01:37,399 --> 02:01:40,720
Gordon understands, like you can't just fucking kill all these

2725
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,439
cops or you know, he's not gonna kill them, but

2726
02:01:42,479 --> 02:01:44,199
just beat the ship out of them, break their teeth in,

2727
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:47,079
like there's there's the right way to do this, and

2728
02:01:47,399 --> 02:01:50,319
trust me, I can help you do this. It's tough

2729
02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:52,920
when he's just surrounded by He's literally in like a

2730
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,199
shark take in that situation, because they're all they all

2731
02:01:55,399 --> 02:01:56,439
want a piece of the Batman.

2732
02:01:56,479 --> 02:01:58,640
Speaker 1: And then and they're looking for a reason to arrest,

2733
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,640
like they just waiting to give it, get an excuse

2734
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,119
to take this guy down, you know.

2735
02:02:03,239 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh man, I I fuck, this movie's so fantastic.

2736
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,319
I love the way that the cops kind of are

2737
02:02:11,399 --> 02:02:14,680
fearful of of the Batman, you know, that's shown as

2738
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:17,279
I mentioned earlier, like when when he enters like the

2739
02:02:17,359 --> 02:02:19,920
manner of the Mayor and they're just like they're seeing

2740
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:23,960
this demon just walk in. And and then like just

2741
02:02:24,079 --> 02:02:27,319
Batman's pretty much uttered disgust with like the like all

2742
02:02:27,359 --> 02:02:29,239
of them, like all of you are corrupt. I can't

2743
02:02:29,239 --> 02:02:30,960
trus see any of you other than Gordon here. And

2744
02:02:31,039 --> 02:02:32,760
then like when he's in the cops shop there and

2745
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,680
he sees that one cop who he broke his nose

2746
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:39,720
and he just like who is that, Like I've blah

2747
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:41,479
blah blah, like basically explains to him that he that

2748
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:48,520
he's working for a Falcone. I just I it's nothing new, obviously,

2749
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,159
but I I I really really love that dynamic. And

2750
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:53,159
I feel like I've I've grown to like that dynamic

2751
02:02:53,439 --> 02:02:57,319
more the more I learned about Batman. Is that it

2752
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,880
is having Gordon in the middle, you know, Batman and

2753
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:05,560
then the cops like and it's such a As I say,

2754
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,960
it's nothing new, but I just really have grown to

2755
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:11,720
to appreciate that dynamic is as fucked up as it

2756
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:13,880
is for an individual like Gordon just being in the

2757
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,279
middle of that, But that's fantastic.

2758
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 4: That leads into one criticism I have, which is that, yeah,

2759
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,279
they're talking up all like all the cops are bad.

2760
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:26,640
Falcones got them all under under his thumb. And then

2761
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:30,000
when the scene when they're like arresting Falcone and brings

2762
02:03:30,039 --> 02:03:31,720
it up, he's like, well, how do you know which

2763
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:34,840
guys are good? He's like, don't worry, these guys are good.

2764
02:03:35,319 --> 02:03:37,840
Even though there's like fifty of them. He's like, oh, certain,

2765
02:03:38,079 --> 02:03:40,840
all of these guys, yeah, are completely good. So to me,

2766
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,039
I felt like a bit lazy. I'm curious to see

2767
02:03:43,079 --> 02:03:46,600
in the sequels if there is still bad cops or

2768
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:48,560
if that's something like maybe there's one or two. I

2769
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,880
don't know, but if that's something that they are still

2770
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:53,159
trying to work through as they're like, okay, trying to

2771
02:03:53,159 --> 02:03:55,680
figure ot who's good and bad. Because that seemed like

2772
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:57,880
kind of just a throwaway line for where they were

2773
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:01,039
building up as this big thing no one here can

2774
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:02,800
be trusted except for Gordon.

2775
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:06,319
Speaker 1: No. I do agree, because I was surprised how many

2776
02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:08,560
there was. I was surprised like it felt like there

2777
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:12,000
was maybe a scene where Gordon had maybe talked it,

2778
02:04:12,039 --> 02:04:12,880
because it felt.

2779
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,479
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, they didn't need to put a fifty cops. Yeah,

2780
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:17,199
and he would have put like five or ten.

2781
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:18,880
Speaker 5: And it would have been might be more believable.

2782
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,199
Speaker 1: Even if there's not good cops. You could see maybe

2783
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:23,319
these cops are turning because like, oh well the tides

2784
02:04:23,439 --> 02:04:25,760
turning because like he's getting arrested. We don't want to

2785
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:27,640
go down with them. But that's where I feel like,

2786
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,119
I'm not sure if there is. It felt like to

2787
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:31,399
me there was a scene to explain why these cops

2788
02:04:31,479 --> 02:04:33,840
would be here, that Gordon's found a way to either

2789
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:35,560
get them all. Yeah, I did think it was a

2790
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:37,079
lot from at one point it was like we can't

2791
02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:40,039
trust anybody to Gordon to oh no, we got lots

2792
02:04:40,079 --> 02:04:42,239
of cops here we could trust, like Obvio sly big city, right,

2793
02:04:42,319 --> 02:04:44,359
so there's a lot more so I'll agree. I was

2794
02:04:44,359 --> 02:04:46,079
scratched my head too, like this is a lot of

2795
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:49,039
police where they just quiet, were they or even if

2796
02:04:49,039 --> 02:04:51,039
they would have said some sort of line of like

2797
02:04:51,159 --> 02:04:53,840
you know, again, they were a certain path of what

2798
02:04:54,039 --> 02:04:56,399
you're doing with the city has maybe changed their ways,

2799
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:58,319
like you know what, I shouldn't be a dirty cop

2800
02:04:58,359 --> 02:05:00,800
anymore and stuff like that. You know, even the DA

2801
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,239
he was only except like ten random month, not a

2802
02:05:03,359 --> 02:05:07,000
huge amount, like like pretty and I love that sequence too,

2803
02:05:07,159 --> 02:05:09,880
like naming off the three Riddles stuff, and he's lucky

2804
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:13,399
riddler like let him cheat, like without Batman, no chance.

2805
02:05:13,239 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 2: And just speaking upon like all the cops being corrupt

2806
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:23,279
there in observation I had when they're at fuck what

2807
02:05:23,439 --> 02:05:27,439
was it called Gotham Square Garden Square Garden, like the

2808
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,119
floods are happening. I I feel like I never thought

2809
02:05:31,159 --> 02:05:35,239
about it really. It caught me in in this particular scene,

2810
02:05:35,279 --> 02:05:37,479
but like I saw some people like FBI jackets and

2811
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:41,760
stuff like that, Like those people aren't necessarily probably from Gothamy,

2812
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:44,520
like they're from wherever FBI headquarters are. And then I

2813
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:46,600
was thinking about that again, like by the end, you

2814
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,800
have like the National Guard there like literally like army men,

2815
02:05:50,279 --> 02:05:53,119
and then like image just being the soldier and then

2816
02:05:53,159 --> 02:05:54,720
you're just trying to get these people out. There's just

2817
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,359
this dude, a bad that you like you have no

2818
02:05:56,479 --> 02:05:58,399
idea what the fuck is going on in Gotham, right

2819
02:05:58,520 --> 02:05:58,760
like like.

2820
02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:01,159
Speaker 1: Then they're like no, no, no, dude for him, he's

2821
02:06:01,239 --> 02:06:05,319
good and he's like all right, I'm vengeance. I wonder

2822
02:06:05,319 --> 02:06:07,159
why you guys have so many fucking problems in this.

2823
02:06:07,359 --> 02:06:09,399
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm just gonna deal with getting people out

2824
02:06:09,399 --> 02:06:12,039
of here. Then I'll ask the Batman questions afterwards. Uh

2825
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:15,960
is funny thought I had, but I just couldn't imagine,

2826
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:17,840
you know, like, oh yeah, okay, we're gonna go help

2827
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:20,239
out Gotham. Who the fuck is this guy? You know

2828
02:06:20,319 --> 02:06:23,279
there's someone named Penguin and just all the other Gotham tales.

2829
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:26,239
It's funny when you when you blend like the realism

2830
02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:27,479
to like the comic book stuff.

2831
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:30,800
Speaker 1: Right, I imagine the National Guard show up. He got

2832
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:32,119
the fuck out of there because I think it would

2833
02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:33,920
just be too awkward of a situation. I think he

2834
02:06:34,359 --> 02:06:36,680
saves some people's like I gotta go, which I love.

2835
02:06:37,159 --> 02:06:39,319
We know this from the trailer, but I love the

2836
02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:42,239
through line of that kid that he was always checking

2837
02:06:42,359 --> 02:06:44,560
up on, just a little bit of he you know,

2838
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:49,000
the mayor gets killed and he's you know, he's as Batman,

2839
02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:50,800
he's in the crimes and he just sees that kid

2840
02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:52,920
and one. I love that scene too. I love when

2841
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:56,000
Alfred sees that scene replayed because it's just like, you see,

2842
02:06:56,039 --> 02:06:58,359
there's still trauma, Bruce. I love later on and we

2843
02:06:58,439 --> 02:07:00,560
talked about the sage showing that scene of in the

2844
02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:02,800
church scene, Bruce doesn't care about anything else. He's just

2845
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:04,760
focused on I'm gonna save that kid and make sure

2846
02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:07,000
that kid doesn't get hurt. And it's such a fun

2847
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:09,840
through line to who's the first person that grabs his

2848
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,239
hand when he lights and smoke is that kid. All

2849
02:07:12,279 --> 02:07:14,439
the adults are scared, the mayor is scared for that

2850
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:16,720
kid is the first one to kind of give Batman

2851
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,119
that approval and it that was just like a cheess

2852
02:07:20,199 --> 02:07:22,000
kiss from me, the little stuff, because that's a big

2853
02:07:22,039 --> 02:07:24,359
thing with Batman, right because he lost his innocence and stuff,

2854
02:07:24,399 --> 02:07:27,279
so anytimes he sees someone in a similar situation, he

2855
02:07:27,399 --> 02:07:29,399
feels for him. And I thought that was all well done.

2856
02:07:30,359 --> 02:07:34,439
Speaker 4: Definitely, I wanted to quickly shout out the cinematographer. We've

2857
02:07:34,439 --> 02:07:37,640
mentioned this in passing with Greg Frader, making Batman kind

2858
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,279
of like a horror villain at a time, like at

2859
02:07:40,319 --> 02:07:43,640
times he was so scary. Obviously we've I've joked about

2860
02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:45,560
the lighting and I'm just right in black it is.

2861
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:47,079
Speaker 5: But the lighting is great.

2862
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 4: All the stuff looks great, and just like just the

2863
02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:51,800
camera work. I also wanted to shout out is great.

2864
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:53,960
Like the opening scene to me stood out too. Of

2865
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:56,039
you start out, I don't know if it was the

2866
02:07:56,119 --> 02:07:58,920
exact opening scene, but you have the binoculars looking through

2867
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,760
this house, and then you the next shot is like

2868
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,600
up on the roof and it's kind of looking through

2869
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,399
this slit in like the ceiling window thing, and then

2870
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:09,600
you kind of zoom in and the you're looking at

2871
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:12,239
that character, like his face, and then it turns around

2872
02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:14,199
you're seeing what he's watching on TV. Yeah, and then

2873
02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:17,159
that's when you kind of get introduced to Riddler and

2874
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:19,399
then you know that continues from there. But just the

2875
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:22,199
camera work in general is great. It's what I expect

2876
02:08:22,239 --> 02:08:27,079
from Matt Reeves after watching Seeing the punt Apes trilogy.

2877
02:08:27,239 --> 02:08:30,640
But yeah, just solid the whole way through.

2878
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:31,319
Speaker 5: Good stuff.

2879
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:33,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's lots of that. I can't wait

2880
02:08:33,239 --> 02:08:35,119
till I get Blue. There's lots of scenes where it's like, oh,

2881
02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:37,760
that's a wallpaper right there, and just comic book panels too,

2882
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,960
Like there's so much at the beginning that narrative, like

2883
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:42,000
when he's going through Gotham and you have like that

2884
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:44,960
blade runner almost type city scape. Of all the ads,

2885
02:08:45,039 --> 02:08:46,960
there was a little Caesar ad there. But there's so

2886
02:08:47,039 --> 02:08:48,640
many times where it just looks like, oh, you could

2887
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:50,960
freeze frame this, and this is a wallpaper, this is

2888
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:53,960
a comic book panel, you know, And that's good stuff

2889
02:08:54,039 --> 02:08:54,359
right there.

2890
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, hundred percent like any green screen scene, it didn't

2891
02:08:58,479 --> 02:08:59,920
feel like it was a green screen. I felt like

2892
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:03,199
they were in Gotham and it felt it felt very real,

2893
02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:06,479
and all the artsy shots were phenomenal, like the top downs.

2894
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,239
I think it's when the da is entering his vehicle

2895
02:09:09,439 --> 02:09:11,439
and that top down shot and then it kind of

2896
02:09:11,479 --> 02:09:13,359
pans out when he is the viewer at that point

2897
02:09:13,359 --> 02:09:14,880
in time, but it's just like a red and blue

2898
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,399
flash and then it kind of zeems out all of

2899
02:09:17,399 --> 02:09:20,479
a sudden. Photography is phenomenal. We mentioned the score as well,

2900
02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:24,159
and I think pre spoilers Chef's kiss on that I

2901
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:29,279
forgot who you said scored it, Michael, Yeah, he's just

2902
02:09:29,399 --> 02:09:31,520
on a roll right now. And yeah, all that with

2903
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:32,239
great interest.

2904
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that stuff by the bat signal, that's all

2905
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:37,119
done with I can't remember what if it's called, like

2906
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:39,279
the motion or that stuff. It's that stuff that they

2907
02:09:39,439 --> 02:09:42,000
use on Mandalorian where it's like that big CGI or

2908
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:44,199
that big room of just screens and stuff like that,

2909
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:46,760
so it's not on green screens. So these actors are

2910
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,600
acting against like a real city scape, moving and everything

2911
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:53,039
like that. So yeah, what are you laughing about, Taylor,

2912
02:09:55,560 --> 02:10:01,760
mic Taylor, are your some points that you have going on,

2913
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:04,479
because we'll just throw out some general points right now.

2914
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:07,720
There's the big thing we're Yeah, there's a couple of

2915
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:09,680
tinme things I have. There's the big thing. We'll talk

2916
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:11,600
about the cameo, and then we'll get to her.

2917
02:10:12,279 --> 02:10:13,680
Speaker 5: Pump some adrenaline in your life.

2918
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to that stuff that will.

2919
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 2: Start punching your walls.

2920
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:23,319
Speaker 5: Some points just.

2921
02:10:23,399 --> 02:10:24,279
Speaker 3: Overall from the film.

2922
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 1: We're just anything you want to What did you think

2923
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:31,039
about Rob Preston's Batman, We're back to the beginning. Anything

2924
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:32,720
in general, just you want to shut it. If not,

2925
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,680
you can pass it back to us. And not like

2926
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:36,720
I said, the camea, we'll save that. But anything in

2927
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:38,520
general that you serve that you want to shot that

2928
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,600
doesn't fit with a character, something random that hey that's cool,

2929
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:43,319
or I have a problem with that, et cetera.

2930
02:10:45,479 --> 02:10:48,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I love the setting. I love the whole

2931
02:10:48,399 --> 02:10:50,800
visualization of the city of Gotham. It just felt like

2932
02:10:51,239 --> 02:10:54,560
kind of this vintage met with like a modern, sleek

2933
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:56,960
s kind of vibe, which is cool because again it

2934
02:10:57,039 --> 02:10:59,960
was a very modern movie with technology and the you know, say,

2935
02:11:00,359 --> 02:11:05,159
cellular devices. Everyone was using all that stuff. I can't

2936
02:11:05,279 --> 02:11:07,640
just reiterate what I said before. The characters are just fantastic.

2937
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:10,880
I loved how every actor came to Batan and just

2938
02:11:11,399 --> 02:11:16,479
portrayed their characters very, very well. It was great and

2939
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:19,039
I'm very excited now. I didn't mention this before, but

2940
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:21,079
with the Penguin thing, I'm excited to kind of see

2941
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:23,800
where that can go, being like a series now with

2942
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,199
him kind of being in this prominent position in Gotham,

2943
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:29,720
and then seeing where we get with the sequels and

2944
02:11:29,800 --> 02:11:31,399
what they kind of do with these characters, because I

2945
02:11:31,439 --> 02:11:34,159
felt like, now they've this movie creates such a grand

2946
02:11:34,319 --> 02:11:37,239
foothold with everything that they established, So it'll be interesting

2947
02:11:37,279 --> 02:11:38,560
to see the universe they build up.

2948
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 1: With us Kirkling anything random to shout out, I.

2949
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,960
Speaker 2: Mean, I know, I'm definitely forgetting something, but of course, yeah,

2950
02:11:47,279 --> 02:11:50,239
fucking Chef's Kiss movie. So and it's little point that

2951
02:11:50,319 --> 02:11:51,760
I might have thought of is perfect.

2952
02:11:52,279 --> 02:11:54,560
Speaker 1: That's why I tune in next weekend. We're gonna be

2953
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:56,640
doing After nine because patrons want to talk about this,

2954
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,039
so that's a good time if you guys forget.

2955
02:11:58,079 --> 02:12:00,199
Speaker 2: Probably would have seen it again too because Shay which

2956
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:01,800
they worked tonight, so she was able to come with me,

2957
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,600
which fortunately for me allows me an excuse to go

2958
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:05,880
see this again right away.

2959
02:12:06,359 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 1: There you go. A few things I have. I just

2960
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,119
like the first time I see Bruce cleaned up, he's

2961
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,279
just wearing this bag yeah shirt with sunglasses indoors. He's

2962
02:12:14,319 --> 02:12:16,279
such a little emo kid like he's such from a

2963
02:12:16,359 --> 02:12:18,680
Tim Burdon film. I love it, and that's why I

2964
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:19,560
hope it does change.

2965
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:20,119
Speaker 2: But it just was.

2966
02:12:20,359 --> 02:12:22,359
Speaker 1: It was so weird seeing Bruce Wayne and just like

2967
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:24,479
a T shirt I would own, I'm like, yeah, this

2968
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:27,239
guy is not the that Bruce Wayne. But it was

2969
02:12:27,279 --> 02:12:28,359
a fun little luck he had.

2970
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 2: And it also just shows that like his life is

2971
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,800
the night, like he does not experience the nocturnal animal

2972
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:37,039
that's literally a bat. And then you reminded me like

2973
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:40,399
man Wayne Manner in this movie, it feels like a

2974
02:12:40,479 --> 02:12:44,199
fucking vampire house, like like just talk about vintage. Yeah,

2975
02:12:44,279 --> 02:12:48,119
the architecture of it, it was very different, but very

2976
02:12:48,319 --> 02:12:50,960
very cool in my eyes, you know, something I wasn't expecting.

2977
02:12:51,039 --> 02:12:52,960
I don't know if it's if they've had a design

2978
02:12:53,039 --> 02:12:55,159
like that in the comic books or anything like that before,

2979
02:12:56,279 --> 02:12:59,279
but it was. It was really cool, very unique.

2980
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Well, the weird thing is technically they're just living in

2981
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:04,479
Wayne Tower. They're not even living in the manner. And

2982
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,680
I actually really love the bat Cave being this broken

2983
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:11,000
down terminal because like it's something that probably clearly exists

2984
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:12,800
at one point, but I love the entrance to it,

2985
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:14,640
and I love how big it was when he gets

2986
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:16,680
in there. Just like, man, the scope of this thing,

2987
02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:19,159
and it's something that, yeah, someone's probably not gonna find

2988
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:21,479
because if it's like an abandoned railroad, they're not like

2989
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:23,760
looking for it. Now that could someone might get their

2990
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:25,840
hands on some schematics in a sequel and be like, oh,

2991
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,279
I wonder what, like what's this thing here? But I

2992
02:13:28,359 --> 02:13:30,399
think that's a fun way of you know, he can

2993
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:33,439
enter it and everything, so hopefully it's well guarded. I

2994
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:36,079
like that Nirvana was actually in the movie. Happened a

2995
02:13:36,119 --> 02:13:38,920
few times. They used Nirvana quite a bit in the marketing,

2996
02:13:39,039 --> 02:13:42,000
so I'm big Nirvana. I like that it fits. Like

2997
02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:45,159
I've said before, the line of you know I all

2998
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:48,960
the I can't remember. I've totally forgot about it. I'll

2999
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:50,800
come back to. But he just the line that they

3000
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:53,039
have in the song of you know, I keep all

3001
02:13:53,079 --> 02:13:55,520
these pets, keep all these problems, and now they're my pets.

3002
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:57,319
I'm gonna look it up because I'm just butchering it

3003
02:13:57,479 --> 02:14:03,600
now reoccurring kid, Oh big time. I love The Riddler

3004
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:06,560
opening confused me in a good way because when they

3005
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:10,079
were having him watch the mayor and his wife and kids,

3006
02:14:10,279 --> 02:14:11,880
at first I thought they were showing some sort of

3007
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:15,119
flashback of Bruce, especially because Bruce is all about being

3008
02:14:15,399 --> 02:14:17,479
as a kid, being Zoro and somebody even calls them Zora.

3009
02:14:17,640 --> 02:14:20,119
So very fun. But I'm like, okay, so we're gonna

3010
02:14:20,359 --> 02:14:22,199
we're not gonna see the murder maybe, but maybe we're

3011
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:24,800
gonna see something else. And we didn't, so I thought

3012
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:27,840
it was a good fake out. And I really loved

3013
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:31,640
when the ship is going down in Gotham Square Garden,

3014
02:14:32,039 --> 02:14:33,600
when it's like, oh, what we're gonna do and that

3015
02:14:33,800 --> 02:14:37,760
roof just explodes and Batman is just barreling down class

3016
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:40,399
behind him in flames and just like because that moment

3017
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:42,600
all was explosion going. I sat in my seat like,

3018
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:46,880
oh man, oh man, oh man, it's on. It's on,

3019
02:14:47,079 --> 02:14:48,960
Like the breaking on he was. He was fucking guys

3020
02:14:49,079 --> 02:14:51,439
up until he got shot at one too many times.

3021
02:14:51,479 --> 02:14:53,760
But it was just like, man, this guy is just

3022
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:57,039
raining down on us so good that those are some

3023
02:14:57,119 --> 02:14:59,000
of my little notes to shout dyl Mus.

3024
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:02,920
Speaker 4: Is this gonna be a how like this is gonna

3025
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:04,840
be a go to Halloween movie for you guys, like

3026
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:07,720
every October you're gonna be watching this. I mean, I'm sure, Travis,

3027
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:10,479
you're gonna watch this like every week for the rest

3028
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:12,640
of your life. But just in general, is is this

3029
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:15,319
added to the Halloween like con because it's really only

3030
02:15:15,399 --> 02:15:17,279
Halloween for like five minutes.

3031
02:15:17,439 --> 02:15:20,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I'd

3032
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:23,399
give it that Halloween movie. It's just gonna be an

3033
02:15:23,399 --> 02:15:24,000
every day movie.

3034
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be more Halloween. The way

3035
02:15:27,039 --> 02:15:28,640
it started, I was like, Oh, this is gonna be

3036
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:30,600
a full on Halloween movie. And it's like, okay, we

3037
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:34,239
we transitioned pretty quickly and stuff like that. So and

3038
02:15:34,319 --> 02:15:36,239
I looked up the lyric I was butchering earlier. Was

3039
02:15:36,319 --> 02:15:38,920
and all the animals I've trapped have all become my pets,

3040
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:40,920
And that, to me is like the perfect example of

3041
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:43,640
Batman because it's just like the he keeps all these

3042
02:15:43,720 --> 02:15:45,279
criminals and it's like the only thing that kind of

3043
02:15:45,359 --> 02:15:47,720
keeps them going is these people out here doing that stuff.

3044
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:49,760
But no, I think you're right down that I'll just

3045
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:52,199
watch all time, So I'm a bad judgment of character.

3046
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:56,279
Speaker 4: And then I mean, lastly, I think you were gonna

3047
02:15:56,279 --> 02:15:58,159
mention this anyway, but I want to know what's going

3048
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:01,720
on with that Arkham like sequel bait thing. And I

3049
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:03,439
also didn't stay for the credits, so I don't know

3050
02:16:03,439 --> 02:16:04,600
if there's any post credit scene.

3051
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 5: I would have missed it if there was not.

3052
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:10,520
Speaker 1: Really, they're like it's like a so like remember how

3053
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:13,720
Batman had his go to laptop of like speaking to

3054
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:16,640
the Riddler and everything that breaking codes. When he was

3055
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:18,720
talking to Riddler and has that flash in green text,

3056
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:21,279
it just says goodbye and then like flash as a URL.

3057
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:23,720
So I guess we're supposed to go home and search

3058
02:16:23,800 --> 02:16:25,640
that URL. I have not done that yet. I'm not

3059
02:16:25,680 --> 02:16:27,159
sure if it actually leads you anywhere. So it's not

3060
02:16:27,239 --> 02:16:29,520
a scene. It was just more like a easter egg.

3061
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:32,600
I don't know what it does exactly, if it does anything.

3062
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:36,479
So no, nothing, nothing too big there. But yeah, so

3063
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:38,680
this is so we can start talking about this now.

3064
02:16:38,799 --> 02:16:41,760
So this is why, ladies and gentlemen, why even though

3065
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:44,440
I always tear the scoopers, I say, all, this is

3066
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:46,719
an a tier B tier. I remember when we first

3067
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:50,000
covered the story. This was in like the low CD

3068
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:52,000
tier when a few people are just putting like, hey,

3069
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:55,719
I'm hearing Barry Kerrigan might be the Joker, and everyone's like, yeah,

3070
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,440
I don't think so, it's not really gonna happen. Like

3071
02:16:57,840 --> 02:16:59,559
there's a lot of people like, I don't think jokers

3072
02:16:59,559 --> 02:17:01,600
in this movie. YadA YadA. Yeah, there's all this stuff.

3073
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:04,920
And then his brother posted, man, I can't believe they

3074
02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:07,200
announced that he's the Joker, And at that point people

3075
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,639
s doesn't know is his brother trolling?

3076
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:09,239
Speaker 2: What is not?

3077
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:13,559
Speaker 1: And here we are months later. They did not drop

3078
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:17,520
him by name. In the credits. He is unseen Arkham prisoner.

3079
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,239
But you have a guy who has a messed up face.

3080
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:22,639
He is looking pretty pale. I didn't see any green

3081
02:17:22,799 --> 02:17:25,840
going on. But then he's just cackling like a motherfucker.

3082
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:28,680
So still on. Yeah, there were rumors about this before

3083
02:17:29,079 --> 02:17:30,920
because I think they test screen it. It kind of

3084
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:33,680
got out, but the rumors were very small and everything

3085
02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:35,600
like that. I think the only thing you would have

3086
02:17:35,639 --> 02:17:39,159
seen him is he is drigg in Internals. Oh you

3087
02:17:39,159 --> 02:17:39,959
didn't watch Eternals.

3088
02:17:40,079 --> 02:17:41,520
Speaker 2: He didn't even he wasn't done Kirk.

3089
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:46,200
Speaker 1: He isn't done Kirk yet. So I would recommend if

3090
02:17:46,239 --> 02:17:48,280
you have not seen his work a movie that also

3091
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:50,719
has call him Farrow and uh Nicole Kimmy, go watch

3092
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:52,920
Killing Him His Sacred Deer that was on the first

3093
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,760
He's in Green Night as well, but killing his Sacred Deer.

3094
02:17:55,840 --> 02:18:00,120
He is phenomenal in so the scene, I'm I'm I'm

3095
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:03,319
very curious what they're doing because Joker lots of times

3096
02:18:03,719 --> 02:18:07,000
other than kind of kiddy and cartoon stuff, he's he's

3097
02:18:07,239 --> 02:18:09,399
he's a loner, like he doesn't work with others, And

3098
02:18:09,479 --> 02:18:12,760
it's like him almost insinuating that he's gonna be partnering

3099
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:15,799
up with these villains. Now, what I really think is

3100
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:17,360
that he will just use some of these villains to

3101
02:18:17,399 --> 02:18:20,040
get in his way. But the thing that interests me

3102
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:22,319
the most is I think one I think it's a

3103
02:18:22,799 --> 02:18:25,000
like that is a hype way to do it. People

3104
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:27,239
will pick up who they think it is, and that

3105
02:18:27,440 --> 02:18:29,120
does it is sequel bait, But I think that gets

3106
02:18:29,159 --> 02:18:31,680
people excited. It's just a little cliffhanger and then they

3107
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:33,920
move back on to the rest of the movie. What

3108
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:36,799
I'm interested the most is, so he's already in Arkham.

3109
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:38,840
Is he a guy that was just placing Arkham and

3110
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:41,360
he's gonna get on cause hell? Or has Batman and

3111
02:18:41,479 --> 02:18:44,920
him already have interactions? We don't know. I'm not sure

3112
02:18:44,959 --> 02:18:46,959
which way it's going. But yeah, Dylan, you didn't know

3113
02:18:47,239 --> 02:18:49,559
anything about a potential Joker being in this, So what

3114
02:18:49,639 --> 02:18:51,799
do you think about sincas like it just two years

3115
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:54,120
ago we got a Joker movie. But it's one of

3116
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:55,719
those things like we need to do Batman, you know

3117
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:58,639
that is the kind of end point. At some points

3118
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:00,440
you got to do Batman and Jokers. So how did

3119
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:01,920
you feel about them doing a sequel bait? Do you

3120
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:03,200
think it was needed or do you think it maybe

3121
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:04,680
stood out as like a bad call to do.

3122
02:19:05,559 --> 02:19:07,639
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it was over because to me

3123
02:19:07,719 --> 02:19:10,959
it didn't feel like Joker personally, So to me, it

3124
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,040
wasn't like clearly setting up a seat, like I could

3125
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:15,200
have just been some random guy, as you're saying, like

3126
02:19:15,239 --> 02:19:17,200
in the credits, it should have just been some random

3127
02:19:17,239 --> 02:19:20,000
guy kind of talking to him, maybe foreshadowing something that

3128
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:23,719
would occur later. But also if the if a sequel

3129
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:26,840
never happens, it doesn't feel like, you know, it was

3130
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:27,520
a cliffhanger.

3131
02:19:27,639 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I think it was fine. Yeah

3132
02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:30,719
I didn't.

3133
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:33,760
Speaker 4: I didn't think that was didn't seem like Joker to me,

3134
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:37,559
but obviously you know they're purposely hiding him a bit,

3135
02:19:37,719 --> 02:19:40,040
so m M. I'm also I don't I wouldn't know

3136
02:19:40,079 --> 02:19:42,520
all the telles, I guess, but yeah, so I don't know.

3137
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:44,559
I feeling I was just wondering, like what I was

3138
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:47,879
missing because I figured it was some character. It was

3139
02:19:48,159 --> 02:19:50,120
likely it was some character, but I'm I guess I'm

3140
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:52,159
a bit surprised that actually is Joker.

3141
02:19:51,959 --> 02:19:54,520
Speaker 1: So well, what I'm surprised to in the credits they

3142
02:19:54,639 --> 02:19:58,680
had prosthetics for Penguin and unseen Arkham prisoner. I was

3143
02:19:58,879 --> 02:20:01,079
very surprised they didn't really show his face because I

3144
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:03,239
get the idea of putting in the shadows, but if

3145
02:20:03,319 --> 02:20:05,159
they had him in the shadows so much. I don't

3146
02:20:05,159 --> 02:20:07,600
think they needed him to be in prosthetics at all,

3147
02:20:07,719 --> 02:20:10,440
like because it was very minimal. But Emily brings us

3148
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:11,840
up as she's like, well, you know what it's gonna happen.

3149
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:13,559
The fanboys are gonna get that blue ray and they're

3150
02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:15,600
gonna set the brightness up as high as possible so

3151
02:20:15,639 --> 02:20:19,520
you could see. Because what I'm really hoping for, what

3152
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:21,639
I'm liking is it looked like his face was like

3153
02:20:21,719 --> 02:20:24,680
a little like I fuck, I was gonna say damage,

3154
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:25,920
but I never want to stay damaged. But it was

3155
02:20:26,079 --> 02:20:29,000
like a little disfigured. And that's what I'm always hoping

3156
02:20:29,079 --> 02:20:31,440
that I've said before that we have so many versions

3157
02:20:31,479 --> 02:20:33,799
now since the Dark Knight of the Joker always does paint,

3158
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,799
he always does paint, I would like if he has

3159
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:39,079
some sort of deformity and whatnot, But again it was

3160
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:42,040
very little. So Kirkle, what did you take from this

3161
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:44,319
scene as far as just like it in general? Obviously

3162
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:47,440
it's seemed like, again it's not confirmed confirmed because he's

3163
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:50,440
still just unseen our prisoner, but all signs are pointing

3164
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:53,000
that Barry is our He's gonna be the new Joker,

3165
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,920
and I don't know if that means he pops up

3166
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:57,079
right away in too, if he's sitting around. I don't know.

3167
02:20:57,159 --> 02:20:59,600
What do you take from all this? Yes, I mean

3168
02:20:59,639 --> 02:21:01,920
and you want Joker either, we talked about this month ago.

3169
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:03,399
You're like, I didn't want Joker.

3170
02:21:03,159 --> 02:21:06,120
Speaker 2: In this, you know. I I'm okay with this though.

3171
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:08,440
I what I didn't want was Okay, we have the

3172
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:10,559
Riddlers the main villain, and then all of a sudden

3173
02:21:10,559 --> 02:21:13,719
there's this weird twist where now the like the Joker

3174
02:21:13,959 --> 02:21:16,079
is the big bad Like I think this is a

3175
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:18,680
perfect placement for it, because it's right at the tail

3176
02:21:18,760 --> 02:21:22,399
end majority like the ga isn't really gonna know, Like

3177
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:24,280
I heard people behind me, like, is that two face?

3178
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:26,319
You know? Because they showed him kind of like the

3179
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:30,200
one side a little ripley almost like Harvey's burnt face.

3180
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:32,719
Speaker 1: Riley, give me those ripley flavor.

3181
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:39,200
Speaker 2: But honestly, I audibly gasped like in this moment, because

3182
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:41,680
again it's one of those things where like we've cast

3183
02:21:41,959 --> 02:21:44,760
we cast it on these rumors like Barry Kyogan he's

3184
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:47,719
in the movie, what's he gonna be? And because I'm

3185
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,200
just so engulfed in the movie I'm not even thinking

3186
02:21:50,239 --> 02:21:53,040
about what could be coming or what I know is coming.

3187
02:21:53,879 --> 02:21:57,000
So he's he's here, he's kinda or sorry. We have

3188
02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:00,399
the Riddler just whimpering and moaning the didn't kind of

3189
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:02,920
go his way, and then Barry Kilgan has one of

3190
02:22:02,959 --> 02:22:06,280
those voices that's just so recognizable. He's got that heavy

3191
02:22:06,799 --> 02:22:09,000
I think he's what is he Scottish? Irish?

3192
02:22:09,079 --> 02:22:11,559
Speaker 1: One of those was he me and Emily debade this

3193
02:22:11,799 --> 02:22:14,239
was he trying to hide it? Because if he was,

3194
02:22:14,360 --> 02:22:15,479
he's not doing a great job.

3195
02:22:15,559 --> 02:22:18,079
Speaker 2: At if he was trying, he didn't do a good job.

3196
02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope they just said, like, don't try and

3197
02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:22,600
do an American acts and just try your risk, because like, yeah,

3198
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:24,440
it's a very thick accent the guy has.

3199
02:22:24,719 --> 02:22:26,719
Speaker 2: So as soon as I heard it, it's like all

3200
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:29,079
of my thoughts just came brushing back in and I'm like,

3201
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,479
holy fuck, this is the moment. This is where we

3202
02:22:31,639 --> 02:22:36,440
have the Joker, and I am so yeah, I didn't

3203
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:38,719
want it, like you know, before the movie, but I

3204
02:22:39,319 --> 02:22:41,040
I could say I was wrong, you know, like like

3205
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,159
this was actually a really really smart way to do it,

3206
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:45,879
because I love the fact that he's in arc already

3207
02:22:45,959 --> 02:22:47,760
I love the fact that it's not like, who's this

3208
02:22:47,959 --> 02:22:50,840
new guy just starting crime in Gotham, Like, no, he

3209
02:22:50,920 --> 02:22:54,840
has a history. He's in Arkham for a reason. You know.

3210
02:22:54,920 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 1: Do you think Batman's a part of that history though,

3211
02:22:56,760 --> 02:22:58,239
or do you think they've not interacted yet?

3212
02:23:00,079 --> 02:23:03,840
Speaker 2: Saying no, I don't know. I'm unsure, big question mark

3213
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:07,159
on that, but I yeah, no. I I gasped in

3214
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:09,040
this moment, and I was surprised because I was the

3215
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:11,440
only one in the theater that actually reacted that way.

3216
02:23:11,559 --> 02:23:13,680
And I'm like, you fucking casuals, Come on, don't you

3217
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:15,399
listen to the geek Perst podcast, we talked about this

3218
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:25,000
turn on business cards, you know, just raining raining, But this,

3219
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:28,360
this was this was crazy, honestly because I I really

3220
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:30,399
really liked the riddleer in here. I'm so glad you

3221
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:34,319
didn't die in this movie. I'm glad he's still he's

3222
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:37,479
an Arkham but he's still in the world. And then yeah,

3223
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,280
he's just kind of pairing up with uh with the

3224
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:43,399
Joker now, and Joker gave him a riddle of his

3225
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,559
own and they kind of had their own little laugh

3226
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:49,000
fest there. But I, I really really was satisfied with

3227
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:53,319
this Yeah, it was awesome. It was really really awesome.

3228
02:23:53,559 --> 02:23:55,399
Speaker 1: What was the real was like, what's one thing you

3229
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:57,079
cannot have but never have?

3230
02:23:57,559 --> 02:23:59,840
Speaker 2: No, it's like it's like if you have two or

3231
02:24:00,239 --> 02:24:02,719
the less you have, the better it is. It's like

3232
02:24:02,840 --> 02:24:05,959
a friend, like the quality of it, you know, paraphrasing,

3233
02:24:06,040 --> 02:24:09,920
but stuff along those lines. And because because we were

3234
02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:12,479
talking about the ruins of him being the clown, you know,

3235
02:24:12,600 --> 02:24:15,760
the joker, I just immediately thought that that's what he was.

3236
02:24:15,959 --> 02:24:17,920
And then I think he even has a clever line

3237
02:24:17,959 --> 02:24:18,559
of saying.

3238
02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Like there's a clown somebody.

3239
02:24:19,719 --> 02:24:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it's not so bad being a clown.

3240
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:25,120
And then in my mind I thought that was pretty evident.

3241
02:24:25,159 --> 02:24:27,399
But again, we talk about this stuff, right, so, like

3242
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:29,840
even after that scene ended, I heard people like, oh,

3243
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:32,360
who is he? Oh? Like, who oh, I think he's

3244
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:32,959
two faced?

3245
02:24:33,559 --> 02:24:36,440
Speaker 5: Uh so do you think it's on stage? And he's like,

3246
02:24:36,559 --> 02:24:37,639
here's what you just saw.

3247
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:39,959
Speaker 2: I'm like tacking my other buddies, like these guys don't

3248
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:40,200
know what.

3249
02:24:40,959 --> 02:24:42,959
Speaker 1: Like I was just mentioning though, like how they did

3250
02:24:43,079 --> 02:24:45,159
like they had something to do prosthetics. Do you think

3251
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:46,840
it's a mistake then that they didn't just do a

3252
02:24:46,959 --> 02:24:49,920
full and face shot of like look, no face screen. No,

3253
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:53,000
you have that ga of people they don't get that

3254
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:54,680
hype moment if they don't figure it out, right, if

3255
02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:56,200
they don't figure out that's joke or do you think

3256
02:24:56,239 --> 02:24:58,280
they lose on that moment if they could have Oh,

3257
02:24:58,319 --> 02:25:00,120
look at the Leo gif right the Oh?

3258
02:25:00,280 --> 02:25:02,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I think it's small enough

3259
02:25:02,719 --> 02:25:05,440
that you're not missing anything if you don't know that

3260
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:07,639
this is the joker, you know, like like you're the

3261
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,799
movie isn't any any lesser quality if you just don't

3262
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:13,799
know who this one character is, right, Like you just

3263
02:25:13,879 --> 02:25:17,040
witness the rise and fall of the Riddler like in

3264
02:25:17,159 --> 02:25:20,520
this tale, and then he's he's meeting this this sketchy person,

3265
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:24,120
and then you're gonna go to the next movie. You

3266
02:25:24,159 --> 02:25:26,360
can completely forget about this scene, but you're gonna see

3267
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:28,799
him then. I think it's also one of those things

3268
02:25:28,840 --> 02:25:30,840
that a lot of time when you don't know what

3269
02:25:30,959 --> 02:25:34,479
the thread is, it's it's scarier that way, like like

3270
02:25:34,559 --> 02:25:36,920
you see a silhouette, you couldn't really see his face,

3271
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:42,440
but you can still see some uh deep something was wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

3272
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:45,360
one hundred percent. So I I don't think it's I

3273
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,920
think it was handled really well. I'm gonna I'm gonna

3274
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:48,559
die on that hill.

3275
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:53,399
Speaker 1: Taylor Field, how are your thoughts about if it gets confirmed? Similarly,

3276
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:56,040
we got a new Joker right now and honestly just

3277
02:25:56,079 --> 02:25:57,200
a very minor scene.

3278
02:25:57,319 --> 02:26:02,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's with all the rumors and

3279
02:26:02,360 --> 02:26:04,479
everything like that, I was just waiting and by my

3280
02:26:04,559 --> 02:26:06,680
time to see, okay, where they gonna slip this character

3281
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:08,920
in here, because I'm starting to believe that we're going

3282
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:12,639
to get a Joker here, and did not disappoint. I

3283
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:17,479
really did enjoy seeing because my first time seeing these

3284
02:26:17,559 --> 02:26:20,399
two villains just talk, seeing the Riddler and the Joker

3285
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:23,879
just kind of like escalating the situation and just writing

3286
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:25,760
off of each other. It was really really cool just

3287
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:30,440
to kind of witness their dialogue. So I enjoyed that.

3288
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:34,159
And I'm curious to see what kind of a Joker

3289
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:36,440
is going to be. I'm always down to see, like

3290
02:26:37,399 --> 02:26:39,440
see a different iteration of the Joker, and I think

3291
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,680
after getting Robert's iteration of Batman here, I really want

3292
02:26:43,719 --> 02:26:47,040
to see him score off against another just psychologically fucked

3293
02:26:47,319 --> 02:26:50,520
lunatic like the Joker. I think it would really be

3294
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:53,520
a cool test to see how this character has overcome

3295
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:56,920
and pushed more hope than vegeance and just see how

3296
02:26:57,000 --> 02:26:59,719
the Joker can break his hope and kind of turn

3297
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,079
that around against him. And I imagine it'll be like, hey,

3298
02:27:02,200 --> 02:27:05,280
he'll get someone close to him and maybe Joker will

3299
02:27:05,360 --> 02:27:07,440
kill that person or something like that, which it won't

3300
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:09,719
be Alfred. I think it'll be another like close person.

3301
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:13,879
Speaker 1: Every movie Alfred's in peril, He's like, he's like MJ

3302
02:27:14,040 --> 02:27:18,200
and the Toby trilogy. You know, Yeah, it's gonna be

3303
02:27:18,200 --> 02:27:20,479
exciting times. I'm excited to see because Matt Reeves did

3304
02:27:20,559 --> 02:27:23,520
say that that character had two scenes and they cut

3305
02:27:23,639 --> 02:27:25,399
one and they kept the other. So I'm excited to

3306
02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:29,559
see what that other scene could be. And I remember

3307
02:27:29,639 --> 02:27:31,479
when we first talked about the news and I heard

3308
02:27:31,639 --> 02:27:33,239
just the rumor of Barry. I was like, and I

3309
02:27:33,319 --> 02:27:34,840
even said, I don't know if I buy this rumor,

3310
02:27:34,879 --> 02:27:37,200
but man, I wish it's true. And if this is true,

3311
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:39,399
which it all looks like Barry as the Joker is

3312
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:42,120
gonna be, that's gonna be a very different take. He's

3313
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:44,440
a very different type of cat, very different type of actor.

3314
02:27:44,559 --> 02:27:47,319
So I can't wait. So Oh, go ahead, Kirkling.

3315
02:27:47,559 --> 02:27:49,959
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you know, like if you

3316
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,680
haven't seen the movie yet, don't call Google and the

3317
02:27:51,719 --> 02:27:55,200
Batman and stuff. But I always just get a little

3318
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,040
bit upset when I like, like literally saw the movie

3319
02:27:58,239 --> 02:27:59,920
just came out, and then like you google the bat

3320
02:28:00,319 --> 02:28:02,600
and then it's just like the future of Barry Kielgan's

3321
02:28:02,639 --> 02:28:05,719
The Joker after The Batman, and it's like the first article.

3322
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:08,559
You know, I I shit on ig on in a lot,

3323
02:28:08,719 --> 02:28:11,440
but like, at least they wrote the Batman director reveals

3324
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,159
identity of the unnamed Arkham prisoner, you know, like they're

3325
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:15,879
not just spoiling the movie.

3326
02:28:16,079 --> 02:28:16,879
Speaker 1: Is that an article you have?

3327
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's.

3328
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Kind of I want to hear the statement. I want

3329
02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:22,840
to hear how he actually words it. I just was

3330
02:28:23,079 --> 02:28:25,639
curious to say what he says is like the actual well,

3331
02:28:25,719 --> 02:28:27,680
I'm just curious to see what his reasoning is.

3332
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:27,959
Speaker 2: You know.

3333
02:28:28,040 --> 02:28:29,879
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, God.

3334
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Damn held me to disable my head blocker.

3335
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh my godkay, I didn't know else it's gonna be

3336
02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:36,520
a five minute conquest. If it's gonna take that long,

3337
02:28:36,559 --> 02:28:37,440
we don't got to worry about.

3338
02:28:37,440 --> 02:28:40,440
Speaker 2: I was just curious of Okay, I guess when you

3339
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:42,280
click on it, it says like is the Joker in

3340
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:44,840
Batman twenty twenty two? And then it says Paul Daniel's

3341
02:28:44,879 --> 02:28:48,799
Riddler aka Edward n Ashton, you know, talking to the unnamed.

3342
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:51,159
They don't say the Joker, but just get to.

3343
02:28:51,159 --> 02:28:53,319
Speaker 1: The matt Reeves quote. Does matt Reeves have a quote there?

3344
02:28:53,479 --> 02:28:55,159
Or did you just lie? Did you pull Taylor and

3345
02:28:55,239 --> 02:28:56,799
just lie to me? You said that they said matt

3346
02:28:56,840 --> 02:28:59,920
Reeves confirms identity of I was.

3347
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:02,559
Speaker 2: I was telling you that, like the title of the

3348
02:29:02,680 --> 02:29:05,399
article and Mace basically doing a rant that like I

3349
02:29:05,559 --> 02:29:08,440
hate when the second a movie comes out, you know,

3350
02:29:08,639 --> 02:29:11,399
time article the future of Barry Kielgan's the Joker after

3351
02:29:11,479 --> 02:29:14,360
the Batman, Like literally that's the first thing that you see,

3352
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:15,680
like at the very top.

3353
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:17,840
Speaker 5: Can this be a conversation for another day?

3354
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:20,040
Speaker 2: No, we're gonna go on for another We're gonna keep going.

3355
02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:21,559
You can dip out.

3356
02:29:22,639 --> 02:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Let's see where was I Let me just check my

3357
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:28,959
time goats here. Yeah, we're good to go. So, I

3358
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:30,680
mean I read just as quick ones. Do you guys?

3359
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:33,639
Prepare your last thoughts or a score if you want it? Uh,

3360
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:37,079
Summer Hansy, very clear vision, tone and aesthetic. I like

3361
02:29:37,159 --> 02:29:39,239
the Nirvana needle drop more than I thought I would

3362
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:42,040
love Gotham and the world building pass and as great

3363
02:29:42,079 --> 02:29:44,879
I love right as Gordon. Some scenes felt deliberately slow

3364
02:29:44,879 --> 02:29:47,520
in order to bring the drama, and it worked. However,

3365
02:29:47,719 --> 02:29:50,559
did the slowness harm the audience potential to be fully

3366
02:29:50,600 --> 02:29:52,600
sucked in? I found myself wanting to check my watch

3367
02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:54,959
at times in the end. Though I loved it, I

3368
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,159
can't stop thinking about it. Four out of five stars.

3369
02:29:58,280 --> 02:30:00,040
Yeah for me, I didn't have that experience, but I

3370
02:30:00,079 --> 02:30:02,159
guarantee the only time I wanted to check my phone

3371
02:30:02,360 --> 02:30:04,200
is like I want. I was worried about how much

3372
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:05,920
was left as far as I just didn't want to end,

3373
02:30:05,959 --> 02:30:08,120
but I didn't have any I was sucked in the

3374
02:30:08,159 --> 02:30:09,639
whole time. I'm not sure if you guys, do you

3375
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:11,799
have any moments where you thought I should you know,

3376
02:30:11,879 --> 02:30:13,280
it's a little slower here or something like that.

3377
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:15,799
Speaker 2: I didn't check my watch, but about an hour in

3378
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:18,719
I'm like, fuck, I really got a piss. I really

3379
02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:20,559
got a piss. And when you're like only a third

3380
02:30:20,639 --> 02:30:23,680
way through the video, it's a mental battle. From that point,

3381
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:25,680
maybe That's what caused my sweating, just trying to like

3382
02:30:25,799 --> 02:30:28,360
keep it in. I was almost rude.

3383
02:30:28,440 --> 02:30:32,440
Speaker 5: Finished, I was. I was locked in then yeah, checking.

3384
02:30:32,239 --> 02:30:35,440
Speaker 3: Your phone all No, I was totally absorbed into what

3385
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:36,079
I was watching.

3386
02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well some are just like you're stealing stuff. You're

3387
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:41,479
wrong again, So here you go, April Darkness, April all

3388
02:30:41,479 --> 02:30:43,440
these people wanted after nine. So if that's put a

3389
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:45,920
name to the face, but check out, I'm sure they'll

3390
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:47,600
be on next week. I loved it so much. It

3391
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:48,719
was a Batman horror movie.

3392
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:49,520
Speaker 3: Was not to love.

3393
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:52,000
Speaker 1: It was beautifully shot, crabits was perfect, pass and it

3394
02:30:52,079 --> 02:30:54,280
was great. Dance performance was real and terrifying thought the

3395
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:57,840
pacing was good, didn't feel overly long, and easily a

3396
02:30:57,959 --> 02:31:01,079
ten out of ten from April and then Maddie our

3397
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:03,440
final one. It's someone that It's like someone went in

3398
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:06,280
my mind and wanted to create the perfect Batman movie

3399
02:31:06,319 --> 02:31:08,399
that I've always dreamt of, and this is at the Centeratography,

3400
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:11,159
the score were incredible, as where the performances passed and

3401
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,799
Fishing my favorite Batman Thank you Matt Reeve's best introduction

3402
02:31:13,959 --> 02:31:15,639
to the car ever, it felt like the thing was

3403
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:18,120
a monster. A hundred percent. I agree, like that was

3404
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:20,479
a great little intro there, just the rev and everything

3405
02:31:20,559 --> 02:31:24,079
like that. So Dilmus your final thoughts on the Batman

3406
02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:26,799
I'm happy. I'm I'm personally happy that you have a

3407
02:31:26,879 --> 02:31:30,159
Batman movie that you quite enjoyed. You know that that's

3408
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:30,959
a good one for me.

3409
02:31:31,159 --> 02:31:34,559
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I feel like we've been pretty thorough.

3410
02:31:34,600 --> 02:31:37,079
I don't think I have really anything to add. It's

3411
02:31:37,079 --> 02:31:40,040
probably my favorite Batman movie. I really enjoyed it, and

3412
02:31:40,799 --> 02:31:43,799
I'm excited for more. I'm excited for number two and

3413
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:46,799
I don't know if I'm gonna be watching the Penguin Show. Yeah,

3414
02:31:46,879 --> 02:31:50,639
but I'm excited for the second movie and hopefully this

3415
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:53,760
has become a trilogy because they just like there's so

3416
02:31:53,879 --> 02:31:56,639
much set up here that'll be fun to pay off later.

3417
02:31:56,719 --> 02:31:58,440
But even just as a movie on its own, it's

3418
02:31:58,799 --> 02:32:00,360
it's good, and I'm sure I'll re watched it a

3419
02:32:00,360 --> 02:32:02,840
couple times and maybe closer to Golden Geeks or something,

3420
02:32:02,920 --> 02:32:04,840
but I think this will make quite a few appearances there.

3421
02:32:04,959 --> 02:32:08,040
It's it's great. I'm I'm happy to say that I

3422
02:32:09,399 --> 02:32:11,639
really really enjoyed a DC movie. It's been a while

3423
02:32:11,719 --> 02:32:12,559
since I've been able to.

3424
02:32:12,799 --> 02:32:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, like you did this. I'm falling in

3425
02:32:15,159 --> 02:32:17,079
love with the soul's game. It's like the Paul Rudd

3426
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,000
giff like look at us. You know, who would have

3427
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:21,479
thought in twenty twenty two, all this stuff's changing. But

3428
02:32:22,479 --> 02:32:24,360
Taylor Field final thoughts and a score if you want

3429
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:24,879
to drop one.

3430
02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:30,680
Speaker 3: Ah. Yeah, this movie was just fantastic. It was just

3431
02:32:31,319 --> 02:32:33,719
start to finish, just an absolute roller coaster and a

3432
02:32:33,799 --> 02:32:36,760
thrill ride. I love the vibes that it was putting out.

3433
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:39,719
I love the characters, I love the dialogue. I love

3434
02:32:39,799 --> 02:32:41,879
the music. There were scenes that would just start to

3435
02:32:41,959 --> 02:32:45,520
pop off and that score would go full swing. Everything

3436
02:32:45,559 --> 02:32:48,479
about this movie was just building my excitement up. As

3437
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:51,280
I said before, I wasn't distracted at all, Like I

3438
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:53,879
was just so honed into what was going on. Didn't

3439
02:32:53,879 --> 02:32:57,000
feel like there was a dumb one whatsoever. I highly

3440
02:32:57,079 --> 02:33:01,079
recommend this movie to many other people, and I mean

3441
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:03,159
if even if you're not much of a Batman fan,

3442
02:33:03,319 --> 02:33:04,920
like I just feel like this is still just a

3443
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:07,559
great like detective flick that you can get into with

3444
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:11,479
you know, horror elements and just like moments that are

3445
02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:14,719
just you're trying to figure out what's going on and

3446
02:33:14,799 --> 02:33:18,360
it has so much more story to it than just hey,

3447
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:22,079
figure out these riddles. No, there's like a whole backstory

3448
02:33:22,159 --> 02:33:25,479
element to like Bruce Wayne's lineage and then Cotwoman's lineage

3449
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:27,479
and all these characters and how they're all connected to

3450
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:31,079
these prominent families of Gotham and everything like that. So

3451
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:34,200
it's great. I'm I'm gonna give it a ten out

3452
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:36,920
of ten because like, I'm super high on this movie.

3453
02:33:37,079 --> 02:33:40,559
And yeah, I won't say whether or not, like who's

3454
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:42,520
my favorite Batman? I think I'll have to like stew

3455
02:33:42,559 --> 02:33:44,159
on that for a while and then they talk about

3456
02:33:44,200 --> 02:33:44,760
that later on.

3457
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Crook Compaths.

3458
02:33:48,319 --> 02:33:52,319
Speaker 2: Short and Sweet ten and ten movie. It's perfect perfect Wow.

3459
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:55,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm I'm in that same camp as I

3460
02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:58,280
open up, this might be my new favorite movie all time.

3461
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:00,319
And after when I watched The Dark Knight and it's

3462
02:34:00,360 --> 02:34:04,440
been god what twelve fourteen years since then, I thought, ah,

3463
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:06,760
that's never gonna happen. And I've had movies I've been closed,

3464
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:08,280
but I've never had a movie where I watched it.

3465
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:09,920
And of course it's a batmovie, so I have some

3466
02:34:10,079 --> 02:34:12,040
sort of heart there. But as I've kind of proven

3467
02:34:12,079 --> 02:34:14,360
with other Batman movies. There's just because I love Batman

3468
02:34:14,440 --> 02:34:18,639
doesn't mean it cannot be a bad experience. But performances,

3469
02:34:18,760 --> 02:34:21,760
home run visuals, a home run score, home run story,

3470
02:34:21,799 --> 02:34:24,479
home run just it's the whole movie's a home run.

3471
02:34:24,559 --> 02:34:27,639
It's everything I was hoping for and then some. So yeah,

3472
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:30,319
ten ten, this was a great review. We're hitting the

3473
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:32,079
two and a half hour mark. I thank you, gentlemen

3474
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for staying up late. I think anyone who was in

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love chat or that's gonna listen to this after. Let

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us know. Obviously those with the patrons sent us in,

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but discord Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, let us know what you thought,

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let us know what you disagree with, agree with if

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we miss anything, and again too if you have any questions,

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because we'll probably talk about this a little bit after

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and I have in the patrons and we'll have some

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more time to digest, and maybe Kerson will have some

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actual quotes from at Reason. He won't just bait us

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like he just did earlier.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think you're miss here.

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Speaker 1: I got recorded proof, ladies and gentlemen, this was the

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Batman review. Thank you very much for tuning in. I

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promise you and hear from his next it'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Please h