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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. We

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are saying goodbye to August.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it's Labor Day weekend already and we

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are ready to talk one of the rising stars once

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again in the super middleweight division, Diego Pacheco's main event

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for Matchroom Boxing. It is part of the Big Fight

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He is our insider. Nobody does pizza like the Hut.

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Dan Raphael, I'm just saying, welcome in here for another

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fun filled edition of the program. A lot to go over,

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including Edgar Berlanga. You'll hear from him on this podcast,

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your recent conversation with him prior to the showdown with

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Canelo Alvarez. Speaking of super middleweights, Dan Rayfhael, how are

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you as we head into the long holiday weekend, Labor

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: We got it, like you said, a long holiday weekend

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with not that much boxing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got something to talk about. And again,

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if you follow when you subscribe, you already know that

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you heard from Diego Pacheco on the podcast. Feed immediately

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before us here ready to headline in the Matchroom main

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event in Carson, California. We're gonna break that fight down

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We love all of that. And by the way, we

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the Monsters Junior Featherweight title defense on Sunday show. So

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we gotta tease them leave some breadcrumbs Big Dan for

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morning US time Tuesday night to latest appearance for Naolia

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in a way, the monster coming up. But Checko's the

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big story headlining here against su Leski, the veteran contender. Again,

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you've talked with him on the podcast feed. Let's get

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right into it. We'll have some news and some nostalgia later.

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Oh goodie, looks like we're gonna get Jaron Ennis and

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uh and uh Chicazian right or yeah, yeah, that's what

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it looks like we're gonna get. So just be ready

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for Rayfield to launch again on that. Before we get

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to the news though, let's get into this in the

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preview mode for Pachecko and what kind of chance I

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guess the way to phrase it, does Suleski have to

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make this competitive and to hang in against a rising star?

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Speaker 4: Well, there, to me is a difference TJ between making

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it competitive and hanging in. Okay, hanging in is like

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he's a tough guy, he's got a good chin, probably

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get gonna go a lot of rounds, take him deep

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into the fight. Being competitive is a different story. Does

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he win any rounds, does he have a moment, does

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he score a knockdown? Does he maybe score the upset?

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Those are two separate things. I look at this fight

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like this. I'm very high on Pacheco, That's no secret.

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I think he's a tremendous talent. I picked him as

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the prospect of the Year this past December, So to

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my way of thinking at that moment in time, he

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was the number one prospect in the sport. Obviously, there's

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different people at different definitions of what constitutes a prospect,

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but I feel like he fell into that category perfectly,

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and with the rough sort of definitions being you know,

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at that time, not yet really a main event fighter,

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not fighting really twelve round fights, still in his early twenties,

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had a good amateur career, you know, being featured against

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a different, a caliber of opponent that's stepping up as

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he goes along, you know. He had in his final

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fight of that of calendar year twenty twenty three, yes

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he did have a twelve rounder and it was a

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main event, but that was really the first one and

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he beat the best guy of his career at that point,

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which was the former world title challenger Missus Marcelo Costaris.

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So he was still in that prospect stage.

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Speaker 4: He fast forward into twenty twenty four. He fought in April,

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scored a victory against an undefeated fighter named Sean McCalman.

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no doubt in terms of the scoring, there was no

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issue there. But he you know, he went the distance

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with a fighter that he was a huge favorite against

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but he looked okay even though it went twelve rounds.

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this year and he's taken on a very tough, durable

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veteran in Celeski. I mean, one of the reasons he

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only had I think, you know, went the distance. My

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memory serves he might have been like nursing a little

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bit of a small injury, but nothing earth shattering, But

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he seems everything's good now. Celeski, though known for having

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a very durable chin. I mean, he's been knocked down

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and that was in fights against the best opponents that

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he has faced, but they were losses, and this is

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the type of opponent that he's measuring himself against in

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terms of what Pachago's trying to do. Back when Celeski

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was a middleweight, he fought on HBO in a main event.

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round in the twelfth round loss of the decision, But

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there was competition during the fight. And then if you

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take a look at the most recent loss. This was

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a much more one side fight. I was actually ringside

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for this fight, the Danny Jacobs fight Di Dimension. That

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was in twenty eighteen. Now you fast forward to twenty

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nineteen and he challenges dimitris Andre for the WBO middleweight title.

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He goes to demitris Andre's hometown of Providence, Rhode Island.

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He gets dropped early in that fight and loses a

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shutout decision, a completely one sided fight. Didn't get beat up,

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but lost against a master boxer in dimitris Andre. Now,

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since that fight, he has come back and he has

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won four fights in a row. Now, he has not

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fought top level opposition in those four fights, but at

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least in three of the In the last two fights anyway,

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he had moved up to the one hundred and sixty

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eight pound division, was fighting as a superman away. So

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when he goes in the ring with Pacheco, he goes

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in at least having fought in the weight division least

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a couple of times. And look, this is not there's

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nothing secret about what's at stake here. This is an

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opportunity for Pacheco, a superb young talent that a lot

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of people think is going to be a champion in

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the near future, you know, as soon as he can

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get an opportunity in that way class. But how's he

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going to go in with a guy who is clearly

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the best opponent that he has faced so far, and

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on top of that, an opponent known for durability when

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he's fogwed good opponents, And how's he going to handle it?

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He Can he look spectacular? Can he do what nobody

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else has ever done, which is to get a knockout

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against Celesti? You know that that's one of the questions there.

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He gets to perform once again in his hometown of

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Los Angeles. He's fighting in Carson, you know, right next

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door to Los Angeles. So it's a hometown fight in

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the great venue of the Dignity Health Park, which is

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a famed boxing arena or it has had many great fights

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through its history, having had different names, and so you know,

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go Pacheco. You know, he's fighting a real guy, but

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a guy that I believe is probably going to be

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eventually outclassed by him. But you know, it's we're on

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the journey, is the point here? We're on the journey

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of where Diego Pacheco is going in the longer term,

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at age twenty three, he's going to be around, I think,

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for quite a number of years. And this is the

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next step, and it's a legitimate step. And by the way,

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there's not a ton of guys out there who are

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getting ready to ready, willing and able to sign it

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up to fight Diego Pacheck before you know the funds

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that are available. So you got to tip your hat

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to Cileski, who is willing to take the fight, who's

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going to his hometown, and we'll give a good effort.

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Speaker 2: I believe seventeen KOs in twenty one bouts you and

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I'm curious if Big Dan's thinking Ko here of the

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veteran Celeski or not. You know, I'm like kid Ko.

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I love picking knockouts and being famously wrong. So we'll

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make some debate about that and looking forward to seeing

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what check coo can do uh with that name. Canelo

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Alvarez still lingering out there, for whomever at one sixty eight.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's that's one of the things about uh

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when I spoke to Diego and other things he said

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to you know, as you know, not only to me,

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the fight. A couple of things. Number one, he did

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go the nine that the ten round distance when he

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ended his nine fight a streak of having scored knockouts.

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you know, I thought he was pretty open when he

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spoke to me. He goes, you know, my main thing

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is to get in there and win the fight, but

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want to restart that streak, get a ko uh. And

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he does know that that that the best fighters that

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Celeski fought in Andre and Jacobs, who are you know,

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very quality fighters in their day and we're world champions,

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that that they that they went the distance with this guy.

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Speaker 4: He is pretty pumped up about fighting at home. He

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just to go to the fights because they had so

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many great shows and tons of activity in that building,

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you know, through the years.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he's excited about it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a he's a very i think a

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poised and humble young guy who knows that a lot

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of people have a lot of high hopes for him

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and that he's got a ton of potential. But he

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the learning process. One of the things I wrote about

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and a piece I did that's on my sub stack

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on my fight fiction, that newsletter in part is about uh,

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the way that you know, in terms of him getting

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ready for these fights. Now, he's got his trainer. He's

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from LA but he trains in Seattle area in Washington State,

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and his trainer is Jose Benavida Senior. Jose Benafida Senior

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obviously is the father of Jose Junior, who's been a

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long time professional, as well as the father of Da

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benavidis who was, you know, one of the best fighters

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in boxing, two times super middleweight title holder and now

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the WBC's interim title holder in the light heavyweight division.

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So the thing about that, besides having a good training

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team with him in terms of pose A senior, one

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of the added bonuses, if you will, is that he's

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in the gym every day with David Benavides, and as

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he said, they've sparred, as he said, thousands of browns.

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he has sparred a ton of times with David Benavide's

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both when he's getting ready for his fights and also

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when when David's getting ready for his fights. So he

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made the point that when David was getting ready for

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one of his signature wins against Caleb Plant, it was

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it was Diego Pacheco that was one of his main,

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if not his main sparring partner to get him ready

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for that, and David, you know, is a little older,

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more experienced but kind of is like an older brother

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younger brother, like a mentor type to him. It's almost

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like he's got a second trainer in the ring. So

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it interesting when I spoke to him that I asked him,

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what would you ever fight David And he's like, yeah,

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of course, you know, we're champions, and the money is there,

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you know, we'll do it. But right now they're the

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same they're on the same team, and he gets he

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gets vast experience and great great sparring with a with

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a top fighter like David den Vitez.

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Speaker 2: All right, so that's the main event. Uh, Well, hear

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from Edgar Berlanga, another one hundred and sixty eight pounder

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who is challenging Canelo Alvarez, and just by the moments, but.

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Speaker 4: The guy he'd also like to fight, of course, you know,

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he wants, he wants all I mean, as he says,

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what's what is it?

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Speaker 3: TJ is the kids say he wants all the smoke.

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Speaker 2: He wants all the smoke.

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Speaker 4: He wants Canelo. But he says, I'd like to fight Mangia.

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I'd want to fight Bazillian. You know, if he wins,

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that's Mongia's upcoming opponent. He mentioned him a billy when

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nobody calls out, he said, Berlanga, they're with the same promoter,

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both with Mattrom Boxing. I mean, so they're they're like,

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he's he's like the kind of fighter right now that's young,

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and he's on a leash and he kind of got

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to hold him back, but at some point you got

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to let him off the leash and let him run wild.

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Speaker 2: All right to this undercard, mattrom undercard for Sorry Night.

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What else is there? Before we hear from Berlanga? What

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do you got?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: The co feature is the fight. I mean, I'll be

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honest with you. Is it the most anticipated undercard in boxing?

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Speaker 3: No? Not really, I mean it's it's it's pretty average.

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Speaker 2: If yes, is the most anticipated under court of this

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weekend in boxing, I'm not even sure it's that go ahead.

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Speaker 4: It very well might be because there's nothing else going

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on there you go. But the main thing in terms

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of the undercard, and this is a fight that's going

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to be the co feature, is is a fighter, a

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junior lightweight contender named Eduardo Sugar Nunias from Mexico can

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be making his American debut. He's twenty seven and one

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with twenty seven knockouts. He is currently the IBF's mandatory

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challenger for the belt that is held now by Anthony

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Casachu pulled off the big upset over Cordina a few

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months ago, but he's putting that title at that title

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opportunity that he's in line for at risk by taking

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on Miguel mariagu who was a well travel journeyman but

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has some punching power. He's had a bunch of world

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title opportunities. He's fought the likes of Vessel Lomachenko and

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was stopped in that fight. He's fought for the title

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at other times. I mean, he's only two and four

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in his last six fights, but he's a veteran. But

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the main thing is Ramos is not a guy that

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too many I mean not Ramos Nunyez Edward on Nunez

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is not a guy that a ton of people have seen,

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but he was very impressive in the fight that got

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him the title shot. He went to Tajikistan, the wholeme

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country of his opponent that was Shaved Rakamov, who was

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a former titlder, and he knocked him out in an upset.

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It was a very very good performance, and so he

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can't get the shot right away. So he's staying busy

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and he's taken on you know, the well traveled, durable

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veteran in Mariaga. So that's the co feature that at

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the very least that might be able to provide some fireworks,

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you know, between two guys who can bang a little bit.

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We'll see how that goes. And another fight that's kind

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of of somewhat of consequence. He got chev Clark, who

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was a British cruiserweight who's only nine and oh with

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seven knockouts, but he's thirty three years old. He didn't

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turn until he was, you know, a bunch older than

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most of your average fighters turning pro. But he's moved

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along pretty quickly and he's coming to have his first

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fight in the United States. He's taken on a Nigerian

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fighter named fit tobar Apachi who's been in some good fights,

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he's lost a couple of times. But this this actually

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on paper, while it's not big names, I think actually

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has a chance to be a pretty entertaining fight. But

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the main point of it for match Room is to

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advance chev Clark, to put him in the ring with

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a tough, terrible guy in a Poache and and move

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him along to the next level. So while I say

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the undercard is nothing spectacular, you know, the the actual

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bouts should be at least halfway decent. It seems to

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me like the Clark fight I just mentioned, and you know,

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and you're getting a chance to see Nunez do his thing.

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Those are like the two main There's other fights on

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the on the broadcast, but nothing that's even worth talking about,

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to be honest with you. But that's what you're looking

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at for the weekend, A decent diversion, I guess if

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you're not doing something on the Labor Day.

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Speaker 2: Weekend, clearly and clearly we're most interested. And we covered

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it thoroughly over the last couple of pots here in

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the Pacheco fight and what happens with that as part

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of the main event, So stay tuned on that one,

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all right, and then eventually we will work our way

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in a couple of weekends to Edgar Berlanga going for

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the unified super middleweight belts of Canelo Alvarez on pay

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perview in Las Vegas. But we thought this was a

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good time here with this being a lighter weekend on

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Labor Day weekend, to go to a conversation that Dan

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had with the unbeaten Berlanga about this bout, his place

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in it, the build up for it and more. Let's

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do that right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome into our podcast

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this week it's the super middleweight undefeated contender, Edgar Berlanga,

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and Edgar, we're here to talk about you have the

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biggest fight of your career coming up September fourteenth. It's

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the main event on the PBC on Prime pay perview

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at the Team Mobile Arena. You'll be taking on the

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superstar unified super middaweight world champion Canelo Alvarez. It's a

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huge fight for you for your career. Welcome to the show.

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Thank you very much for doing.

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Speaker 5: This, Thank you, thank you. I appreciated that you.

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Speaker 4: Bet Edgar, So listen, you know I was I was

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thinking back when, way back when. Not way back, but

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in twenty twenty three. You know, you had become a

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free agent from top rank and you and your manager

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at Keith Connelly, we're talking to different promoters about, you know,

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your future career path. You wound up signing with Eddie

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Hearn and Mattroom Boxing, and this was always the fight

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wherever you signed, this was the fight that was on

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your mind, was on Keith's mind, thinking that they could

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make this happen. A Canelo at that moment was with

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with Mattroom. He's not anymore, but they still do plenty

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of business with all the different promoters. So my question is,

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back then, this was like a dream to get this

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kind of fight. Now that it's here and it's happening, like,

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how surreal is it that you actually got it?

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Speaker 5: It feels good, man.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm just living my dream of what we've

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been doing for the past twenty years.

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Speaker 5: You know, we got to the Punk, got to the

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Pinna quarter boxing.

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Speaker 6: You know, were at the mountain now and it's about

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it's about defeeing the life now, you know, and taking

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his spot and becoming the new superstar of you know,

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of boxing, in the face of boxing. You know, I

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know I got what it takes to become that, you know,

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the skills, the will to start them, the charisma, the look,

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ticket sales. I got the whole package, you know. So

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I feel like now you know, he already did his time.

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You know, for me, his time is done. You know,

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I think he's already going out that doorway. You know,

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he has his millions of dollars already, he don't got

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none to prove the more on the squorter box, and

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he's going to go down in history as one of

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the greatest uh Mexican champions. You know.

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Speaker 5: So with that being said, you know, I'm young. I'm

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the young lion coming in now.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm the young blood coming in, and you know,

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I gotta make my mark, you know, and mark my

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territory in the squarter boxing.

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Speaker 4: So I know I mentioned that this was the talk

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when you became a free agent, that you guys were

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looking for this fight. But I've heard you say that

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even way back when you first heard professional, all the

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way back in twenty sixteen, that at that time Canelo

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was middleway champion. He was already an established star, but

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you were just turning pro. But even all the way

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back then, in your mind you thought, you know what,

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maybe someday I can line up with Canelo Alvarez and

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get that kind of fight, which you've got now. So

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I'm actually interested when you found out that you finally

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got the fight. Whenether either Eddie called you or Keith

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called you and you found out, you know what you

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got Canelo. We're good, that deal's done. September fourteenth, What

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was your reaction? What was your thought after all those

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years of thinking this might happen someday, hoping it would

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happen someday.

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Speaker 5: My first thing was that we did it.

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Speaker 6: You know, I've been talking about this fight for years,

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about five years now, you know, even when I first

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turned pro and I see Conneldo and I was like, Dan,

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that's gonna be a that could be a mega fight,

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you know, if I keep going while keep doing what

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I'm doing, you know, winning.

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Speaker 5: And spectacular fash team. I was knocking people on in

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the first round.

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Speaker 6: I was like, that's gonna be a mega fight for

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the sport of box in Mexico. Supporto Rico, and you know,

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we got it, man, Like It's an amazing feeling of

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being in this position, you know.

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Speaker 5: Now it's just we got it. You know, the job

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is not over here. You know. It's a difference when

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you got it. A lot of fighters are just happy with.

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Speaker 6: Just get in the fight, you know, because they getting

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paid and they getting a little.

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Speaker 5: Fame, you know.

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Speaker 6: But I'm trying to I'll look at the long run

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like I'm trying to do what he's doing. You know,

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I want to do thirty more of these, you know,

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these rodeos. You know where we're going to. I'm flying

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my next fight up. We're doing the same thing. We

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have a different press con cause I'm ready for it,

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man like, you know, ready to sell a fight, ready

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to fight, ready to.

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Speaker 5: Get the fans what they want, ready to give entertainment.

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You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm a guy that that that that brings us a

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tainment to the sport.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I'm just I'm happy, man like.

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Speaker 6: You know, just getting that call was just amazing, and

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it was like, Yo, we really did it, man, you know,

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and I just got to take the opportunity and make

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the best of it and you know, become a legend

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in the sport.

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Speaker 4: Now I know that in the in the in the

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time trying to get the deal done, which making these

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types of fights is never easy. And I keep in

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touch with Keith, your manager, Keith Connley, and we talked

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about it, and you know, he was saying that they're

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working hard to get it done. I know how how

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hard he worked to make this deal happen. He does

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that for all of us fighters. But I wonder what

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is what is he meant to your career in terms

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of being able to not just guide you from the

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early days of your pro career, but to get you

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to this point where you know you ended up getting

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the biggest fight you could possibly get. Say it again,

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the last question, just in terms of what Keith meant

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to you to getting you to this point where you're

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doing your job by winning your fights. But he had

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to do all the a lot of the hard heavy

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lifting in the in the deal making to make this happen.

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I know how hard he worked for it to get

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it for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean yeah, man.

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Speaker 6: You know, Keith is the goal bro Keith is Keith

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is the best, not one of the best. For me,

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He's the best manager in the boxing game right now.

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Shout out to Keith Conley Man. You know, he toad

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his groundwork obviously. You know, it takes a team to

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be successful in the sport of boxing, you know, out

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them outwork. But he did his work, you know, put

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in his label, and I think that he did a

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tremendous job. You know, he didn't stop fighting, you know,

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as much as probably people gave up because you know,

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00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960
probably that they thought he was going to kind of

473
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,359
was going to a different route of different directions. You know,

474
00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,519
he kept he kept his foot on the guys. You know,

475
00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:18,559
he kept his foot on the next you know in

476
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,839
the boxing world, and just kept pushing his fighting, pushing

477
00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:21,200
the fuss.

478
00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 5: You know.

479
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,519
Speaker 6: Obviously I did what I had to do my last fight,

480
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,559
you know, I knocked Patrick mc koree out in a

481
00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,319
spectacular fashion, you know, and then.

482
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,839
Speaker 5: He went in and he did his little ground work

483
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,759
and you know, everything just you just put the puzzles together. Man,

484
00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:35,200
and you know, now we're here.

485
00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 4: You know, you mentioned the McCrory fight. I want to

486
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,039
ask you about that because that had been a fight

487
00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,279
where you hadn't had you had on that great knockout

488
00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:45,079
streak in the first round at the beginning of your

489
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,160
professional career. That lasted for a while, knocking everybody out,

490
00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:49,720
and then you went on a little bit of a

491
00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:52,200
stretch there where for five fights in a row there

492
00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,319
was no knockout. A lot of people sorted to question

493
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,240
you about where's the power and you know, where's the

494
00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,319
spectacular knockouts that he was scoring. And so when you

495
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359
got the McCrory fight, a lot of the conversation was,

496
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,880
if you're gonna land this fight with Canelo, we need

497
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,359
to see a knockout from Edgar Berlanga. I think Matt

498
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,119
Troom and Eddie they kind of put that pressure on

499
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,400
you a little bit. How did how was it going

500
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,640
into that fight. Did you feel the pressure like I

501
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,799
got this potential huge fight that I might get, but

502
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,000
I got to really shine against McCrory. Did you feel

503
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,400
that pressure and feel like you needed to impress with

504
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,359
a knockout in that fight.

505
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 6: I didn't care about the knockout. I wasn't thinking about

506
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,480
I got to knock this guy out. I just was

507
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,000
thinking about I just got to go out there and

508
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,920
just look my best, you know, and do and do

509
00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,759
my best and go out there and just shock the world,

510
00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:37,079
you know, and just really go out there and really

511
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,400
show people I still got marvel.

512
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 5: You know. I was away from my coach, Mark for Right.

513
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 6: For four and a half years, So that's why I

514
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,359
went on that little, that little drought way. I wasn't

515
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,880
knocking nobody out, you know, because Mark is a guy

516
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,359
that knows me.

517
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,279
Speaker 5: He's the one that built me.

518
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,039
Speaker 6: He built the monsters, so obviously he's see what happened

519
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,799
once I got with him, even through the injuries. Fought quickly,

520
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,720
and I dropped quickly like four or five times, you know.

521
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,079
And then I came and I fought McCory and we

522
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,400
fucking blasted mccorbee out in five rounds.

523
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: That uh, that quickly fight probably could have been stopped

524
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,319
if you ask me, but that's that's yeah.

525
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 5: And we was facing a lot of injuries. That was

526
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,119
my first fight back with Mark for Right.

527
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 6: Only had like three months to train with Mark, and

528
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,759
that was me four years without being with him.

529
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 5: So Mark was trying to like take a lot.

530
00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:19,599
Speaker 6: Of bad habits that I built over the years without

531
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,359
being with him, you know, And he.

532
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 5: Was trying to get me back into sort of way

533
00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:25,519
he wanted me to. And you've seen the results, you know.

534
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,440
I graphed freaking quickly. I busted him off nasty, you know.

535
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 6: Plus I was facing a lot of injuries that camp,

536
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,160
you know, like I had like two big major injuries

537
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,480
that I could have pulled out.

538
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,559
Speaker 5: From the fight if I wanted to, you know.

539
00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 6: And I was like, now, fucking the fighters, sold the

540
00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:39,799
ready to tickets and sold we.

541
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,759
Speaker 5: Got to fight, you know. So and you see what

542
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:43,240
happened with that.

543
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:44,759
Speaker 6: And then I came and he stood right back in

544
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,000
the gym at work and kept working.

545
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: I grabbed McCory and I blasted.

546
00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:48,319
Speaker 3: Him out right.

547
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 4: So and so now you got the big one. You

548
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,799
got to fight with Canelo Alvarez. And I just was

549
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,079
curious because one of the big selling points in terms

550
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,119
of the way they're marketing to fight and the way

551
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,079
that you guys spoke about it during the press tour

552
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,559
that you had, uh is it's Mexico versus Puerto Rico.

553
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,799
And that's obviously one of the great rivalries in boxing.

554
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,480
There's been great fights between people from those places. And

555
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:10,440
I wonder, what is it like for you to be

556
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,079
part of now this great rivalry to fight. You're the

557
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Puerto Rican, You're fighting the number one Mexican. How is

558
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:17,640
it for you to follow in the footsteps of so

559
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,000
many of the great fights that have taken place between

560
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,240
the top Puerto Rican fighters and the top Mexican fighters.

561
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,559
Speaker 5: It feels amazing.

562
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 6: I mean for me, you know, this fight for shows

563
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,519
going down in the history books.

564
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 5: You know. So I'm excited. Man. You know, we already

565
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,640
made history. And you know that dream that I have went.

566
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,079
Speaker 6: You know, we spoke about in the dream that me

567
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,400
and him was going to be history. Who's gonna make history?

568
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,200
You get what I'm saying this for the history books

569
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,160
of boxing. I feel like it's going to be up

570
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,480
there with with with when when when Trinidad for Oscar

571
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,440
de la Joya and Trinidad for Bargas.

572
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,759
Speaker 5: You know when Monto Camanto for Julio Java is you know,

573
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:56,920
that type of magnetude fight. This is what is bringing.

574
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,599
Speaker 6: You know, I'm excited, man. You know, we gotta win

575
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,119
September fourteenth, you know. So that's really what's on my mind,

576
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,319
you know, regardless of you know me, you know the

577
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,599
Mexican wisters Puerto Rico thing. You know, my main thing

578
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,519
right now is is getting out of w Now.

579
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: A lot of folks say, you know what gar Berlanga

580
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,680
he's a he's a good young fighter, got a hell

581
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,519
of a record, but he really hasn't earned the title shot.

582
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,039
I'm not saying that, but a lot of people sort

583
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,680
of look at it like that, and they say that Canelo,

584
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,680
who's fought everybody through his you know, his career, has

585
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,279
maybe taken his foot off the gas a little bit

586
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,759
in terms of his opposition, and that he's picking Edgar

587
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:30,400
Berlanga because he sees you as maybe a chance for

588
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,119
you know, an easier win, and to do so against

589
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,839
a Puerto Rican and he hasn't fought to Puerto Rican

590
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,279
in quite a while. What is your response that sort

591
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,119
of that mentality that some people look at this fight like.

592
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,519
Speaker 6: He doesn't look at me like an easy opponent, because

593
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:46,160
if he looked at me as he's.

594
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 5: An opponent, Cuett never took the fight. What he does

595
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,000
think is that I lack IQ. He knows I'm a

596
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:54,680
big punch up.

597
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 6: He knows that I'm dangerous, he knows that that any

598
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,000
punch I'll throw him, that if he's not if he

599
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,480
if he's not alert, I could put him out.

600
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: But his main thing that and.

601
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 6: And I've seen him through the press with the press,

602
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,599
so and having you know, interviews with him in the

603
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,799
same room. He thinks, I lack i Q and experience,

604
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,400
you know, because of everything that he's been through. But

605
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,640
you know, I got the believe it or not, I

606
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
got one of the best coaches in boxing right now

607
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,839
that all he that all he teaches is IQ and

608
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,519
mental literally like it's not about physical.

609
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 5: But and I talked him, I said, it's not physical

610
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,400
about this, Fike, bro. It's not about physical or who's

611
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720
strong or who punches harder. It is about this, you

612
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:37,319
know what I'm saying.

613
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,799
Speaker 6: Fighters go up and wait and collect titles and fight

614
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:44,839
bigger fighters and big heavier guys, and they went wide.

615
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,559
Speaker 5: Because it is because of the mind.

616
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 6: So once your mind is connected, once your mind is

617
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440
connected to your hands and to your feet and to

618
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,279
your heart and to your balls, good to go.

619
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,839
Speaker 5: Is that's say you could be anybody. You know what

620
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,079
I'm saying. So that's what I kept saying. It's all

621
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,200
about the mentality, It's all about the IQ. And I

622
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,960
know that's what you like.

623
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,799
Speaker 6: Well, he thinks I lack is that That's why he

624
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,200
really took top to Okay, he said, you know, let

625
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,799
me catch his young kid now, he.

626
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,279
Speaker 5: Knows I'm gonna be a star. He knows. He's not dumb.

627
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,079
Brnoso's not dumb. They know I'm gonna be a mega

628
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,279
star on or squatter box. And he's on his way out.

629
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,519
You get what I'm saying.

630
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,319
Speaker 6: I'm Puerto Rican, I got a country behind me, and

631
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,480
I sell a lot of fucking tickets and I bring knockouts,

632
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,799
so they know. So he's trying to do something. He's like,

633
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,839
let me catch this guy young. So he does blow up.

634
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,440
I got him on my on my on my resume,

635
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,319
like oha, we beat him.

636
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: Now.

637
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: Before this, you guys spoke. You spoke respectfully to him.

638
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,079
Uh he did to you. And then you got in

639
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,160
front of each other at the press conference, and because

640
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200
you know you guys are going to fight each other,

641
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,079
it starts to ratchet up the intensity. You know, you

642
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,200
had your say, he had his say. You know, he

643
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,640
said something like you know twenty of you wouldn't give

644
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,359
him a problem. What was it like to be face

645
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,839
to face with the guy at the press tour, looking

646
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,920
him in his eye, knowing you guys are gonna throw

647
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400
down for real on September fourteenth, and.

648
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 5: Man, I see right through him. Dan I see right

649
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,519
through him.

650
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 6: Look at these guys, right through that man, bro, I

651
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:03,079
see right through him.

652
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: Well, I don't care. I don't give a fuck about

653
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000
all that, all that. You know, you know what crazy

654
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,759
he was in my city, he was like this. He

655
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,640
was quiet, didn't talk much. He ain't he ain't had

656
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,480
that same energy.

657
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 6: Just like with fact Joe said, he a sucker because

658
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,279
then New York he was like this.

659
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,519
Speaker 5: And he ran out of there quick because I had

660
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:21,839
one hundred guys outside.

661
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,519
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, dead ran out of the quick.

662
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:28,519
Speaker 5: La. He's a hit town. I'm by myself, me and

663
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,880
I have five lines with me. I don't need one

664
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,759
hundred guys.

665
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 6: I got five lines here and I still the tenth

666
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,799
tooes down to the floor and I shot at tailor

667
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,359
and I shot at the side of his food. I

668
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,440
was on the right side, and I shot right at him,

669
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,799
in front of his face, and I take my.

670
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 5: Eyes over him.

671
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 6: You get what I'm saying. Then, I'm not a sucker.

672
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,279
I could have violated him in New York, I had

673
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:49,759
no shirt on. I'll give a fuck.

674
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: I could have violated him.

675
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,559
Speaker 6: Send him, yo, fuck out here, go back, go back

676
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,039
to Mexico, Bro, like the fuck you. In my city,

677
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:57,759
I could have violated him and I call him you

678
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,839
in my respect.

679
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,599
Speaker 5: But in La he fillings all.

680
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 6: Off walking, oh yeah, thinking, yoh yeah, you know what

681
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,759
I'm saying, like.

682
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,319
Speaker 5: Nah, fuck out of here. Bro. You you bleed just

683
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:08,960
like I bleed.

684
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 6: Bro, you be you believe me, and you bleed the

685
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,319
same way me and you breathe the same air.

686
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,319
Speaker 5: Ool. And it's about this about heart and about how

687
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,319
big your balls are. You know. He could talk about,

688
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,000
oh you different when you get in there.

689
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,599
Speaker 6: With me eighteen thousand people and people stand in front.

690
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: It's different too, when you get in there with me.

691
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,799
And I told him that you're gonna see two. I

692
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,680
don't give a fuck about eight. There could be one

693
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,119
hundred million people watching this shit in in the arena.

694
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,799
Speaker 6: Give a fuck, you know why, because I'm gonna have

695
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,640
the blinders on that night, and it's gonna be just him, because.

696
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,119
Speaker 5: That's what it is. That's what it is. I'm not

697
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,880
fighting the fans.

698
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: I'm fighting him, of course. So let me wrap up

699
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,440
with this. And that's all the stuff that was going

700
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,039
on outside the ring. So just in terms of the

701
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,200
fight itself, you know, he hasn't. You know, people got

702
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,039
on your case because you hadn't scored a knockout for

703
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,519
five fights in a row. He hasn't had a knockout

704
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,240
and a bunch of fights either, and he took a

705
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,200
loss to people in that group of fights. Also, he

706
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,799
hasn't had a knockout since twenty twenty one when he

707
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,039
stopped Kayler playing to become undisputed champion.

708
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

709
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,759
Speaker 4: He's getting older, like you mentioned. Uh, And so my

710
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:06,519
question for you is, how do you then approach him

711
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,240
in the ring? Do you have to make him respect

712
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,839
the power he goes? He's showing a great chin, whatever

713
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,599
you want to say about him in his career, great chick.

714
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,079
Can you outboxing if necessary? How do you approach that

715
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:16,000
when the bell rings?

716
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta first round. I gotta be you gotta

717
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,599
gotta some respect. I mean first round, I gotta. I

718
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,279
gotta put it on him, you know what I'm saying.

719
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,960
I gotta make him feel so he can see, you know.

720
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 7: Because if if he doesn't, he's gonna try to walk.

721
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 5: He's gonna try to walk me down like I hate

722
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,319
did Charlo, like I hate did more Gear.

723
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 7: He's not gonna respect the power. You know, he's a

724
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,279
guy that if he sees any weaknesses, he's gonna he's

725
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,079
gonna take it to you. You get what I'm saying.

726
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:41,799
So with that being said, you gotta make him think,

727
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:43,759
you know, in the first round, I gotta make him

728
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:44,759
respect me, you know.

729
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,359
Speaker 6: And that's the first that's the first thing because right

730
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:47,599
now he's no's no respect.

731
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 5: But to me him, he's no respect.

732
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:50,799
Speaker 7: Like the respect is that throwing that he invited me

733
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,079
to his ship down here.

734
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,519
Speaker 6: I invited him him to a hundred of this ship

735
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:56,960
down there.

736
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,359
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying. So it's no.

737
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,559
Speaker 7: Respect now, like the respect out the doors.

738
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 6: So now it's about this and when this land, he's

739
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,880
gonna know, oh ship, Yeah, I can't walk into that,

740
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,680
you get what I'm saying. Okay, he's gonna try to come,

741
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,920
but I was like the different I respect and I respect.

742
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: His game, So I'm not gonna go in there like

743
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:15,480
how Bargains went in.

744
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 6: There with Trinidad and Bargas took it to Trinidad.

745
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I was a great prede.

746
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Bargains dropped them, got back up and got dropped. Cool,

747
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,599
But I know Vargus bargains had that you know, his

748
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,599
nuts was on to the floor. You know what I'm saying,

749
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,359
And we can't think like that. You get what I'm.

750
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 3: Saying, ed I remember, I remember that one.

751
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,759
Speaker 6: Well, like my nuts could be like how Bargas was

752
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,400
when he brought Trinidad nuts to the floor.

753
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,079
Speaker 5: But then you know, you get hit with shots because

754
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,240
you know it's not about it's not a tough man sport.

755
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,880
You know it's about this.

756
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'll wrap up and say I was ringside for

757
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,519
Trinidad versus Vargas. That was one of my first really

758
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,759
big fights I covered in my career, and we all

759
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:48,039
have to.

760
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: Bargus. I like that Barga when I do, had a

761
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,440
his balls to the floor and was fun like a lion.

762
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: You're well, we thought it was over in the first round,

763
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,240
and he showed a lot of heart to go to

764
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:01,680
make it in one of the all time great fights.

765
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,039
So hopefully we'll see a great fight between you and

766
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,039
Canelo on September fourteenth. Edgar, I wish I wish you

767
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,680
the best of luck in the fight. Thank you very

768
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,279
much for your time.

769
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,279
Speaker 2: All Right, believe it or not, it is September coming

770
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,119
off of this weekend and that fight now two weekends away.

771
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,119
I always kind of couch it. This way, you were

772
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,000
able to see him, you were able to talk to

773
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,359
him a little bit. It is a couple of weeks out.

774
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Thoughts on Berlanga here off the conversation.

775
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, look very confident, very excited for the fight. You know,

776
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,680
I think he knows that not a lot of people

777
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,359
are giving him much of a chance. But his perspective is,

778
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,279
you know, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. I'm

779
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,960
the one that's going to go in there and a

780
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:43,240
so called shock the world. But he seems awfully pumped

781
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:44,680
up for it. He looked in great shape when I

782
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,759
saw him. Like you said, we run a video. You know,

783
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,640
he's been taking this serious. I mean he's been training

784
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,519
for this fight, you know, even since before it was

785
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,680
one hundred percent official. Because knowing that there was a

786
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,920
very good chance he was going to get it, he

787
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
really got cracking, you know, earlier than he normally would,

788
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,680
to make sure he's ready to go.

789
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: And I'll see this again. It's obviously if you don't

790
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,440
mind any interjecting, if you're not going to get in

791
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,720
the best shape of your career for this, When are

792
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,920
you going to get in the best shape of your career? Obviously,

793
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,000
come on, yeah, I know what you're saying. Go ahead, And.

794
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 4: Then to berlink his credit though he's he's a guy

795
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,079
that he is always in great shape. But he just

796
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,240
the the the excitement for him and just a seriousness

797
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,559
which he's taken. It meant like, I'm not going to

798
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,359
wait even two seconds, even if the contracts not sign

799
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400
I'm going to make sure I'm one hundred percent physically

800
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,279
and mentally ready for this fight. So, you know, it

801
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,480
seems like he's ready. I mean, he'll put One thing

802
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,759
I'm very confident is when we hit fight week and

803
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,079
he starts doing even more talking, he'll certainly provide the

804
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:36,319
fans in the press and Canelo with some good sound

805
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,119
by TESI. I'm sure that's the type of machismo he asked,

806
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,319
you know, and he he he look, he he knows

807
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,359
it's a big fight in terms of the great rivalry

808
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,519
between Mexican fighters Puerto Rican fighters, and he's pumped up

809
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,880
to be part of that. You know, he idolizes fighters

810
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,319
like Tito trinidtt. He wants to be part of that

811
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,440
that that memorable sort of fight that those guys have

812
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,960
had among that Mexico Puerto Rico rivalry and the you know,

813
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,039
we'll see what happens. I mean, I think a lot

814
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:03,880
of people would say he may not necessarily deserve the chance,

815
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:05,759
but he's got it and it's up to him to

816
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,400
try to make the best of it, all right.

817
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,039
Speaker 2: So Berlanga Canelo looming good stuff with that. That's why

818
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,400
you've got to be following and subscribing on the podcast feed.

819
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,559
You get these names in addition to the insight the

820
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,599
analysis of the fights in the preview mode and the

821
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,599
recap mode, and you get news and the takes on

822
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,760
the news. So let's begin with an update on the

823
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,920
one hundred and fifty four pound division, and the WBO

824
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:37,159
has now weighed in about Sebastian Fundora and Terrence Quawford.

825
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,360
So tell me more about what has gone on since

826
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,559
last you and I talked.

827
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,079
Speaker 4: So this doesn't come as a surprise. I think it's

828
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,760
pretty much everybody that follows such things as expected this.

829
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,639
If you recall back on August third, when Terrence Crawford

830
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,599
defeated Israel Majamov, the headline of that fight was he

831
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,400
won the WBA Junior middleweight title, but maybe the subhead

832
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,400
for that fight was that he also won the vacant

833
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,239
WBO interim title, and when that occurred, that kind of

834
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,840
put him in Fandora on the clock because the WBO

835
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,079
they did a cloud the interim title, but they really

836
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,119
don't like interim titles. They try to get rid of

837
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:12,880
them as quickly as possible. And it was a part

838
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920
of the stipulation when they agreed to sanction that fight

839
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,519
for the interim title that within a certain timeframe they

840
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,679
were going to make the order of that mandatory fight

841
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,440
now Fandora. The reason they were allowed they allowed the

842
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
interim title in the first place is because the Vendora

843
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,920
is suspended through November because of the injuries that he

844
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,679
had from the fight in March against him Zoo. But

845
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,000
that's coming to an end and they expect that when

846
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,559
he returns that his next fight will be against Terrence Crawford. Now,

847
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,000
whether Terrence Crawford is going to go through it that

848
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,159
that remains to be seen. If you ask me, it

849
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,599
seems highly unlikely on two fronts. One that he'll fight

850
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Sebastian Vandora next and two that if he did it

851
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,360
would be by the end of this year. That's a

852
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,599
lot of stuff that would have to happen because Ferndora

853
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,159
won't even be unsuspended until November, so I'm kind of skeptical. Nonetheless,

854
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,960
they gave them thirty days to make a deal or

855
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,920
they'll call a perse bid. Minimum bid two hundred thousand dollars. Obviously,

856
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:05,760
if to fight where to actually take place and people

857
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,679
were seriously gonna bid, it would be you know, much

858
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,760
more money than two hundred thousand bucks plus, you know,

859
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,360
given that, uh that Crawford is, you know at the

860
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,320
hip with Turkey al Chik, you got to figure if

861
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,360
they want to do the fight, uh, you know, he'll

862
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,039
be putting up money. But it doesn't seem like that's

863
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,800
a fight that Turkey or Terrence Crawford have any real

864
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,039
motivation or interest to do. He's got the WBA title.

865
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,519
It's not like he needs or wants to have the

866
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:28,599
WBO interim title.

867
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: Now.

868
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: On the other hand, if he decided to go through

869
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,960
and do a fund door fight, and if Crawford wants

870
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,159
to become an undisputed champion in another way class, he's

871
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,000
already done it at one seven and nobody in the

872
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,119
history of the four belt here has ever done it

873
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,320
in you know, more than two divisions. So he could

874
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,920
be well on his way with three divisions because if

875
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,199
he beat Fundor, he'd have the WBA title, he'd win

876
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,400
the WBO belt, and he also win the WBC belt

877
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,599
that Fundor holds, and then there's just one more to go.

878
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,920
But again, right now, I think at this stage of

879
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,840
Crawford's career, at his age thirty seven or so, you know,

880
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,159
he's more about the money right now than the than

881
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,079
the than the belts and hardware. And then that, I mean,

882
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,840
he's won so many titles and it has such a

883
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,159
great legacy in terms of the weight classes he's won

884
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,960
titles in that this is not going to make that

885
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,679
big of a difference. In my mind. He's about the

886
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:12,679
money at this stage of the game. Sure, it's great

887
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,079
that the WBO made the order, whether it actually happens,

888
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:17,079
I'm highly skeptical.

889
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,039
Speaker 2: Agreed, And by the way, don't hold your breath on

890
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,280
seeing Terrence Crawford before the end of this year, because

891
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,079
what did we establish It's been four, four years or

892
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,760
five years in a row that we've seen him once

893
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,760
once in a calendar year. And we saw him once

894
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,880
already earlier in the month of August. I even I hesitate.

895
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,760
I'm looking at the rundown and here we go. I know,

896
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,559
I know this, you and I.

897
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be calm about this, teacher.

898
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: I know this. You and I do this on Thursday nights.

899
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,519
You said earlier in the week that the deadline was

900
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:51,559
going to be this week on the thirtieth, or Jeron

901
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,400
boots In is to somehow get a unification fight and

902
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,280
avoid this mess with Chikazi and in the rematch. So

903
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,960
it is. It is the thirtieth at midnight later on tonight.

904
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,119
So I'm just playfully going on, do we have any

905
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,480
hope that are we on the collision course with a

906
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,239
fight that nobody wants to see NS and Chikazi and again,

907
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,800
or else they're going to strip boots In us of

908
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,400
his IBF title, like we've been talking about it, like

909
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,239
you've been going.

910
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: Off about Listen, They're not going to let him get stripped.

911
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,960
And as I've said before, NS is a tremendous talent,

912
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,840
but he is at the level at the stage of

913
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,960
his career where he needs the belt. Terrence Crawford doesn't

914
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,119
need a belt at this stage of his career, right

915
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,960
Kenelo Albers doesn't need belts. There are certain fighters when

916
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,719
you get to a certain stage you don't need the belts,

917
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,239
but where Boots Ennis is currently, the belt is important

918
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400
and he needs that, so take that for whatever it's worth.

919
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:43,920
So they're not going to allow him to get stripped.

920
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,320
So so the way that I look at this as

921
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,960
the following earlier in the day on Thursday, because I

922
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,039
know the deadline for the end of the IBF free

923
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,679
negotiation period is on the end of business Friday, which

924
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:57,840
means once that happens, then they would issue a letter

925
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,320
scheduling a person. Once the ib schedules the pur s bid,

926
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:05,559
the window of what is under their rules where you

927
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,880
cannot do a mandatory by getting unification fight closes. So

928
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,159
that's why the day the deadline is significant. So I

929
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480
was checking around to see if there's any movement on

930
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,480
doing a Norman fight against Crawford, because that was the

931
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:24,119
one unification fight that seemed plausible. As we've discussed previously,

932
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,360
and they can go back and listen the chances of

933
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,480
them making an NIS unification against either the WBC champion

934
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,559
Mario Barrios or the WBA title er Amanta Stanionis were

935
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
very very slim to none, and you know, basically slim.

936
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: Had already left town.

937
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: So it was kind of like Brian Norman our boss,

938
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,679
if you want to get around the Chicazi and rimash,

939
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,800
that was literally the only opponent that they could make. Now,

940
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,360
there were conversations from what I am told, from both

941
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,440
sides that they discussed the fight about trying to make it.

942
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,039
It was something that was interesting to the Norman team

943
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:56,920
and Top Brank and it was something that obviously, as

944
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,239
we've outlined, would certainly be interesting to Ennis because anything Chakadzia. Now,

945
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,199
I have not gotten a definitive response about certain things

946
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,239
from the Brian Norman Slash Top Rank side. So what

947
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,599
I'm going to tell you comes from, uh, the john

948
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,599
Ns matroom side. So take that I'm telling you. Maybe

949
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,960
it's skewed one way or the other, but I'm being

950
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,199
transparent about where it comes from. I am told, and

951
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,599
this is from the match room and a side that

952
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,920
while they tried to make the fight, and they made

953
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,079
multiple offers for the fight, that the that the that

954
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,199
the money that the Norman Slash Top Rank side wanted

955
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,480
was not doable and out of the question and out

956
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,920
of their own and of paraphrasing that that just was

957
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,920
too much that they're asking.

958
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: Here we go back to Eddie Hearn says, substantial you

959
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,639
were joking about this, We were joking about this, and

960
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,840
what does substantial really mean? Uh? And we don't know

961
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,159
for sure. Isn't it fair to say that Brian Norman

962
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,480
is obviously going to want seven figures to fight Ennis?

963
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,320
So much right and how much above that is the offer?

964
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,559
We don't know that right now.

965
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: I don't even know, and I don't I don't know this,

966
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,239
so I'm not casting a spersions on match Room. I

967
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,280
don't I don't know if they even offered seven figures.

968
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,400
I don't know what the number was.

969
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: And if they here's the wasting everybody's time. I'm saying.

970
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,519
Speaker 4: Here's the main point though, as it was expressed to

971
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,400
me by the NS Matchroom side, that the deal was

972
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:20,079
dead because they were asking for too much money and

973
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,440
they're going to move forward and try to finalize the

974
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,840
Chigazian rematch now. I also, I've don this a long time.

975
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,840
I took a step back, I took a deep breath.

976
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,880
I asked the person I was talking to you. I said, hey, listen,

977
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,280
I said, just let's call it what it is. Are

978
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,679
are you is this legit?

979
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,559
Speaker 3: Are you? Or are you just playing hardball?

980
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,119
Speaker 4: And there's still maybe a little wiggle room because there

981
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,199
is still twenty four hours is as we tape this

982
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,480
where they can maybe make a deal. And the answer

983
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,760
that I received was no, that's over. It's done now, stranger,

984
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,159
shit's happened. You never know, last minute, maybe somebody comes back,

985
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:50,960
so you know, by the time this is posted. Who

986
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,599
the hell knows, But it seems highly unlikely, at least

987
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,599
at this exact moment in time, that they're gonna be

988
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,079
able to close the deal. Because here's the thing. The

989
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,760
Norman team knows that they're sort of playing with house money.

990
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,639
They know they're the underdog. They know that they're gonna

991
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:05,880
probably have to go to Philadelphia, to the guy's hometown

992
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,239
for the fight. They know that their fighters twenty three

993
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
years old, just starting to not even reach his peak.

994
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,400
Yet he's still in a young fighter I mean not

995
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,320
the boots is old, but he's certainly five six years

996
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,440
older than Brian Norman. And top rank is not desperate.

997
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,159
Its not like they don't have anywhere else to put him.

998
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,639
They already have stated to me that if he doesn't

999
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,079
make this Norman fight, they're gonna probably put him on. Well,

1000
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:27,840
they're definitely gonnaut him one of their shows before the

1001
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,199
end of this year, most likely come November ninth. Rather,

1002
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,320
I'm sorry, the eighth and ninth was the date that

1003
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,800
Matchrom was looking to do that Saturday Top Ranks doing

1004
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,079
a show on the eighth down in Norfolk, Virginia a few.

1005
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: Hours Norman Norman is likely to be what on the

1006
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,599
card with Keshawn Davis is what you were saying before

1007
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,280
what I'm saying.

1008
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 4: He doesn't do the unification, he's got another landing spot,

1009
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,400
and yeah, he's not gonna make the kind of money

1010
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,760
he's gonna make for NS, but ay, he's still gonna

1011
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,800
make the highest money he's ever made. And b he's

1012
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,599
gonna be in whoever they match with a hell of

1013
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,119
a lot an opponent than Boutennis in his hometown.

1014
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: One other point on this, you addressed this before. What

1015
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,559
is the possibility, not the probability, that we get to

1016
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,440
a step aside and that resolves things with Chikanzi and

1017
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,239
not having to be next and getting compensated somehow in

1018
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,119
the next few days. The next couple of weeks take

1019
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:21,159
us through that real quick.

1020
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,159
Speaker 4: With the Nis situation, you never say never, but it

1021
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:25,320
seems highly improbable.

1022
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: Why why improbable to you from what you hear.

1023
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: Just just just the tenor of my conversation with the

1024
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,360
people that were involved in it, just seems like that's.

1025
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: Not likely to pay him to step aside. They say, hey,

1026
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,719
we'll pay him and he'll beat him up, and that's it.

1027
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:40,639
Speaker 4: If we got to fight the guy, let's get the

1028
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:41,119
fuck out of the.

1029
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: Way and beat him up and beat him up.

1030
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:43,519
Speaker 5: You don't.

1031
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: If you do that kind of situation, you're still stuck

1032
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,559
with him jammed up your ass anyway.

1033
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: All right, So stay tuned more to come on Friday.

1034
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Stay locked in on Dan substack a plug here his

1035
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,679
newsletter and as well as his social media, and see

1036
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,599
if there's an update on Ennis and Norman and the

1037
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,400
slight possibility or are we headed to the purse bid

1038
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,199
by rule in the IBF for the ridiculousness that we've

1039
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,880
been over.

1040
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,639
Speaker 4: Right, and by the way, it wouldn't necessarily go to

1041
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,519
a pers bid because that would mean that matriman.

1042
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,079
Speaker 2: But they'll do some kind of deal the fight being okay,

1043
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:18,239
so let's continue on the news. Speaking of November, now

1044
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,760
this is an intriguing rematch. What do you have here

1045
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,719
in a in a top rank situation for November? What

1046
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,079
do you have?

1047
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 4: Well, as I stated to you just a few minutes ago,

1048
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,199
we've just we went over this on last show. Also,

1049
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,159
the Top Ranks doing a show on November eighth in Norfolk,

1050
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,239
Virginia for Keyshawn Davis. Now, normally Top Rank does a

1051
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,920
main Top Rank card once a month, uh, you know,

1052
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,800
a couple times a year. They do more than one,

1053
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,159
and they may bring in other shows from other promoters,

1054
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,199
like from Canada or Mexico or Europe and do the shows.

1055
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,800
But in November they're going to do two shows. They're

1056
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,760
going to do the one on the eighth that's going

1057
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,800
to be in uh in Norfolk, and they're also going

1058
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,280
to do one on November two, UH that that will

1059
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
take place at the Turning Stone Resort in Verona, New York,

1060
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,199
a very familiar place for boxing. They've done plenty of

1061
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,840
shows there and so as they as they whittle down

1062
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,400
what's left to do this year, their calendar looks like this.

1063
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,119
The two they're not going to have any shows from

1064
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,679
I'm told in October, but they're gonna have the two

1065
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,400
come November, and then they'll have one more in December.

1066
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,559
The December show is probably gonna be on December seventh,

1067
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:22,679
and that will be the rematch between Emmanuel Navarette and

1068
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,880
Oscar Valdez, and then the one on the second. Again,

1069
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
this is still a fluid situation, is not all locked

1070
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,280
in one hundred percent, but I until most likely that

1071
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,000
that that November second card will include the rematch for

1072
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,639
the highly controversial decision that Robson cotsis Now won against

1073
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,119
Oshaki Foss back on July sixth to win the WBC's

1074
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:47,360
one hundred and thirty pound title. Yeah, he won a

1075
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,760
split decision. The WBC ordered a rematch top rank, and

1076
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,320
I talked to Bob Aaron who had said to me,

1077
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,440
you know, if they ordered the rematch, will do the rematch,

1078
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,840
And so it looks like that probably will be a

1079
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,280
fight on that show come November second. Again, not done yet,

1080
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,559
but that's what it looks like, and that's a rematch

1081
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:03,159
that should happen.

1082
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: It should happen because Foster was robbed, he was wrong,

1083
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,360
and the WBC did the right thing, stepping in saying

1084
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,239
I don't care who else says whatever else, this is

1085
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,760
our championship and you need to fight him again, and

1086
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,440
so we'll look forward to that. And one other factor

1087
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,719
here we just share this. College football is a massive

1088
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,320
thing and ESPN is up to their eyeballs in multi

1089
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,599
billion dollar investment in college football, and that ties up

1090
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:30,159
most of their Saturday, September, October, November. So that's why

1091
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,639
you're talking about them having to navigate around that. And

1092
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,880
it slows down obviously in December to an extent a

1093
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,800
little bit, so they'll go Friday Night, they'll go ESPN

1094
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,239
plus those kind of things because they're using up the network.

1095
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,800
So there's just a little another little since.

1096
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,639
Speaker 4: Ever since Top Rank has been with ESPN, going back

1097
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:49,360
to the summer of twenty seventeen, when you hit this

1098
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,960
time of year, it slowed down a little bit, like

1099
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,000
you said, mostly because of college football. So they still

1100
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:57,760
get in, you know, a top level number of events.

1101
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,599
It's just that they aren't as you know, they come

1102
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,840
in clusters earlier in the other parts of the air,

1103
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,719
and then they're a little more spread out and fewer

1104
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
when you hit the end of the year, So you

1105
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:08,880
know December is going to be a little bit thin

1106
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,079
and nothing in October, and you know two shows in November,

1107
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:13,159
one of them of course, is going to be on

1108
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:17,360
a Friday night. Incidentally, the December show I mentioned too,

1109
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,280
that will be probably the Navarette Valdez rematch, again not

1110
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,599
done yet but very well. Could also include on the

1111
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:28,679
same show the rematch between Raphael Espinoza and Rogusi Ramirez

1112
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,079
for the WBOS featherweight title. Hopefully that will be done,

1113
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:32,679
and also want to take place on that card.

1114
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: Right, good stuff. I'm intrigued by those fights. On that

1115
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:37,920
rematch as well. We've been waiting on that one after

1116
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,280
the upset.

1117
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: It's funny though, TJ Top Top Ranks not a company

1118
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,840
that loves doing tons of rematches, but they got three

1119
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,119
that they sort of have no in the hopper for

1120
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,880
the next few months. Compel yeah, between sh oh Shaki

1121
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Foster and Concesio Valdez, Navarette and also the one I

1122
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,280
mentioned with the Ramirez against against Espinoza.

1123
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,039
Speaker 2: All have one more note. You were mentioning the injury

1124
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:06,800
to Sergei de Revanchenko, the the biceps tendon injury and

1125
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,199
give us the update here because we saw some social

1126
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,760
media postings including photos from him, and it's interesting that

1127
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,159
apparently he wants to fight on Is that correct?

1128
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's a warrior, and you know, I

1129
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,519
don't think he was gonna quit if as long as

1130
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,559
he was healthy to do so. So anyway, as I

1131
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,519
said to you last week that he was scheduled to

1132
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:26,800
have surgery, it was gonna be Monday or Tuesday. As

1133
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,880
it turned out, he underwent the surgery at a hospital

1134
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,599
in New York City on Monday to repair the It

1135
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,400
was a torn tendent in his left arm that really

1136
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,199
hampered him big time in his decision loss against Christian

1137
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,039
and Billy in the top rank fight that was just

1138
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,360
you know, the week before that. And so he's now

1139
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,159
in a sling, you know, and he's going to go

1140
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:47,480
through the rehabilitation process, the only process. But the point

1141
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,559
that was made to me when I had a conversation

1142
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,199
with his manager was Keith Connelly, also the manager for

1143
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,320
Edgar Berlanga. He said that, you know, and he was

1144
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,840
at the hospital with him when he had the surgery

1145
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,679
and also with Sergei's wife, is that he said that

1146
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,320
when he's armis he and he's ready to go. You know,

1147
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,800
he wants to give it another go and have another

1148
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,400
go with things and see if he can, you know,

1149
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,079
fulfill the dream, have another role of getting another world

1150
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,239
title shot or perhaps winning a title. But point was

1151
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,639
when he's held the plans to continue his career.

1152
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: Don't know, don't know how much more we need to

1153
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,960
see it he took. He took some punishment obviously against

1154
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:23,079
my billy, and unfortunately, as you said, he's made a

1155
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,400
bunch of money, but he's best known for being not

1156
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,519
good enough to win any of these prominent, important fights.

1157
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,199
As much as I get it, he may have been

1158
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:34,119
close to stopping Mongia, and that might be an intriguing

1159
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:37,159
fight down the road to see a rematch, But I

1160
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,559
don't know.

1161
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 4: You and I both know you know you and I

1162
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,480
both know we saw him take a lot of punishment,

1163
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,719
and not just in this fight. His perspective, which you

1164
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,159
can agree with or not, which is fine. His perspective

1165
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,239
is my arm was fucked up, and I would have

1166
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,840
beat him if I had two arms in the fight

1167
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,920
against my ability. That's his perspective, and so that's sort

1168
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,039
of I think going to be the driving thing in

1169
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,119
his mind why I'm going to make a comeback because

1170
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,519
I was not physically I was impaired in that fight,

1171
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,000
and if I was fully functional, I'd to beat the

1172
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,360
guy who I even even with a torn arm, I

1173
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,760
still had him hurt in the fourth round. I still

1174
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,519
had him buzzed a little bit late in the fight.

1175
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,280
And I can do a lot better if I get

1176
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,760
another opportunity in that kind of match.

1177
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's not me saying that, perspect and I

1178
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,039
just jokingly say, I've often heard the phrase you love

1179
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,239
when we throw around these piches. Denial is not just

1180
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:32,639
a river in Egypt. Okay, Nostalgia team here on the pod,

1181
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,239
and let's go back fourteen years ago. Earlier this week,

1182
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,079
on Wednesday, August twenty eighth, is the anniversary we're talking

1183
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,280
about twenty ten. Raphael was saying to me. I said, wait, wait, wait,

1184
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,159
you got to save this for when we actually talk

1185
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,159
that you started breaking down Sagura Ivan Calderon before I

1186
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,840
hit the record button. So tell me more about why

1187
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,239
this junior flyweight battle here struck you so much and

1188
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,199
it ended up being the fight of the year, correct

1189
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,960
for that year. Tell me more. I'm not familiar with

1190
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,639
this fight, so you're giving me a homework assignment. Tell yeah,

1191
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,360
you got a hork fourteen years ago, Sagura Ivan Calderon.

1192
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: This is a terrific fight. It really is.

1193
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: And just because I couldn't remember, frankly, I went, I

1194
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,519
checked the Ring magazine picked it as the fight of

1195
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,119
the year. This is for twenty ten. It's a tremendous battle.

1196
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,000
I went and I looked up my own fights of

1197
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,199
the year. I actually did not pick it as the

1198
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,320
fight of that year. I picked it as the number

1199
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,800
three fight of the year that year. Regardless, it's a

1200
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,400
great fucking fight. End of story. We talked a lot

1201
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,119
about in the last little bit because of Canelo and

1202
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:40,519
Berlanga coming up about the great rivalry fights between Mexico

1203
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,840
and Puerto Rico. This falls into that category. Segura was

1204
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,159
a very very big, strong power puncher from Mexico and

1205
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,719
Calderon the slick former Olympian from Puerto Rico who just

1206
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,760
recently was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Now,

1207
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,599
this fight came when Calderon was near the end of

1208
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,239
his career. We didn't know it at the time, but

1209
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,119
this was sort of the beginning of the end because

1210
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,199
he lost this fight by an eighth round knockout to Sigora,

1211
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,039
and it started where he ended up losing three of

1212
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,480
his last four fights and retired. But he had been

1213
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,880
before that, literally a ten year undefeated streak, had made

1214
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:18,880
a million title defenses of the Strawway title, had moved

1215
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,800
up to one hundred eight pounds, you know, had become

1216
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,360
a champion in that way class, and met up with

1217
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,280
Sigura who was just a very very powerful puncher, and Caldron,

1218
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:32,079
who was never known for being crowd pleasing, you know,

1219
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,320
super exciting fights. He was like the metronome, just every

1220
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,320
single round, just dominate and win all twelve rounds. I mean,

1221
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,000
the guy barely lost rounds. But as he started to

1222
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:43,559
lose a little bit of a step, and Sigura was

1223
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,719
such a pressure fighter, you know, he just didn't give

1224
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800
a shit about defense. Was just just horw to knock

1225
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,360
your head off.

1226
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,159
Speaker 3: You know.

1227
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,519
Speaker 4: They turned this into a firefight because he forced Calderon

1228
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,599
to really to really bite down and fight him, and

1229
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:59,280
they put on a tremendous battle. And eventually the size difference,

1230
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,039
I mean, even as a week Caldern was usually a

1231
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,599
much smaller guy. Now he steps up to one hundred

1232
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:05,000
eight pounds.

1233
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: You know, you can laugh, it's.

1234
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,599
Speaker 4: Only three pounds, but at that stature it's a big deal,

1235
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,119
particularly when Sigura was probably boiling himself down from like

1236
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,119
junior bandaweight to make the division limit and you know,

1237
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:16,840
we're still young enough where you could get away with

1238
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,440
doing that. So he was a much physically bigger and

1239
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,119
stronger man than I than calder On. And finally when

1240
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,000
he dropped him in the eighth round, it wasn't even

1241
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,519
like a devastating knockdown, but Calderon just like stayed on

1242
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,039
the knee, just just could not deal with the power

1243
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,440
of Segura and he got counted out. And ultimately, when

1244
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,079
they had the rematch, you know, several months later, it

1245
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:39,840
was Sigura that took him out in the third round.

1246
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,840
But nonetheless, this fight was a tremendous battle and maybe

1247
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400
not as famous because it wasn't on HBO, TJ, it

1248
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,000
wasn't on showtime, it wasn't on a main broadcaster that

1249
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,719
everybody was familiar with. What it was was a small,

1250
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,639
independent pay per view from Puerto Rico that was, you know,

1251
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,559
not super expensive, but was not done by one of

1252
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:04,159
the big promoters. So you know, you kind of you

1253
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,679
kind of had to find it, I guess. But if

1254
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:07,840
you found it, it was it was absolutely worth it

1255
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,119
because they just put on a tremendous battle. Now in

1256
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:13,480
addition to a big victory for Segura. Uh, you know

1257
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,039
in this fight heied. You know, he was going into

1258
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:18,960
this fight. He was a WBA title holder Caldron, as

1259
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,039
I mentioned it, was a long time strawweight champion at

1260
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,400
one hundred and five pounds. Now he's the WBO champion

1261
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,960
at one hundred eight pounds. So Sigura wins the fight,

1262
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,119
he unifies the title, and he wins the Ring magazine title,

1263
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:33,119
the lineal title, and uh and they just put on

1264
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:34,679
a fight for the ages, and it kind of gets

1265
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,679
lost because it's not like a big, well known weight class.

1266
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,599
It's not a big program like a World Champions of

1267
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,480
Boxing on HBO or Showtime or now let's say a

1268
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,079
big ESPN Top Frank card. It was a little independent

1269
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,320
pay per view that the folks did, and it was

1270
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,400
worth it. And you need to definitely hit up your YouTube.

1271
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,679
As the kids say, tja YouTube it up, you.

1272
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Tube it up. I'm gonna do that.

1273
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,159
Speaker 3: Now.

1274
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,519
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because you went back and looked what

1275
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,800
did you rank ahead of this fight? Just real quick

1276
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,719
out of curiosity, you remember what you had in twenty

1277
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,000
ten that you.

1278
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 4: Look it up, because I guess you're gonna ask me.

1279
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: So Sigura and Caylderon was August twenty eight to twenty ten,

1280
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,199
fourteen years old.

1281
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I had ahead

1282
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:13,639
of it?

1283
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:14,199
Speaker 2: What did you have?

1284
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 4: I picked as the twenty ten fight of the year,

1285
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880
and this was another fantastic fight. This was a I

1286
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,360
believe a lightweight or junior lightweight world title fight was

1287
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,159
between Humberto Sodo and Urbano Antion and they put on

1288
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:27,880
a war that was the main event of a top

1289
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,920
rank independent paper card.

1290
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,199
Speaker 2: And I gotta say, I'm not familiar with that. You're

1291
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,119
giving me multiple homework assignments. I gotta say, I'm not

1292
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,599
familiar with that fight either. And what else was in

1293
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,039
the sandwich there in between that fight and this Sigura

1294
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:42,079
fight that we're talking about.

1295
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,639
Speaker 4: Okay, this was a much more This was a much

1296
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,840
more well known fight the fight I picked. So anyway,

1297
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,199
I picked Antion and and Soto as number one. Sigura

1298
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,239
Caldron is number three. My number two was a fight

1299
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,880
I actually was ringside for in Las Vegas, and this

1300
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:58,360
was a fantastic battle. It was a decision victory for

1301
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,039
Amir Khan over arcost Maydonna, who put on one hell

1302
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,039
of a fight that night in con you know, who

1303
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,679
was always known for having a terrible chin, really walked

1304
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,079
through the fire and was really hurt battery and got

1305
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:12,119
through it. But a tremendous fight. Uh and uh and

1306
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:13,679
just a back and forth kind of battles.

1307
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,119
Speaker 2: You're saying to the peaks if you don't know, Sigura

1308
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,000
Ko of Calderon YouTube it up from fourteen years ago

1309
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,519
August twenty twenty ten. In the nostalgia in the way back.

1310
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:26,599
Speaker 3: We it just a great fight.

1311
00:56:26,639 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 4: And you know, I'll say this when I when you

1312
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,559
think about the big Mexico Puerto Rico fights, the ones

1313
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:35,159
I think of, you know, we always thought We've talked

1314
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,239
plenty about, you know, Salvador Sanchez and Wlfredo Gomez.

1315
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: An anniversary of that, right right.

1316
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 4: You know, more recent than did your Coto Margarito. You know,

1317
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,079
those types of fights that they had two great battles,

1318
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,320
But this one is in that you know, it may

1319
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,039
not be as famous as those fights I'm talking to you.

1320
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,159
You know, Canelo versus Koto for example. Plenty of big

1321
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:59,119
time fights like that De la Hoya Trinidad if you

1322
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,960
count that, because Deloy is a American, but he's Mexican

1323
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,800
by heritage, the Mexico versus Portico. But this this was

1324
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,440
a great fight, and by the way, one half of

1325
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,719
this fight is a Hall of famer. I think Calderon

1326
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,400
may have lost, but he is one of the greatest

1327
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,280
pure boxers to maybe ever put on the gloves. And

1328
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,639
I've always said, Now, granted this fight was in the

1329
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,199
junior flyweight division. If you're talking about strawweights, to me,

1330
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,320
the conversation of greatest strawweight boxer ever is Ricardo Lopez,

1331
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,719
Roman Gonzalez and I than calder There you go, There

1332
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,039
you go, period.

1333
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,519
Speaker 2: Love the nostalgia gave you a bunch. Here on a

1334
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,800
light weekend again, Diego Pacheco will headline. Whatever happens with that,

1335
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,119
will recap it. You heard from Edgar Berlanga here on

1336
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:44,599
the pod fighting Canelo Alvarez coming up, some news, some nostalgia. Hey,

1337
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,519
I know it's a holiday weekend, but you're not allowed

1338
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,480
to leave town. I'm talking about you, Ray Phil, I'm

1339
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,039
not talking about the audience. They're allowed to leave town.

1340
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,480
They can listen to us while they're leaving town because

1341
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:57,039
because we have a bet US boxing show live on

1342
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,880
Friday at one Eastern time, so you and I will

1343
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:05,800
convene and handicap not only the matchup with Pacheco in

1344
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,920
the main event for Matchroom, will also handicap the Monsters

1345
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,960
fight on Tuesday, because we only do the bet US

1346
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,559
show obviously once a week, that fight coming Tuesday, but

1347
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:16,719
we will save our powder, as they like to say

1348
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,199
in the military, save our powder for the Monster and TJ.

1349
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,679
Dohaney my namesake or the Sunday Night Show prior to

1350
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,480
Tuesday on this pod feed. But we're handicapping on bet

1351
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,559
us one Eastern time on Friday before the holiday weekend

1352
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,119
to handicap both of those fights. Take your questions in

1353
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:36,519
more live on the bet Us platforms including YouTube, Twitter,

1354
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,519
et cetera. You're good, You're good with that.

1355
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:40,039
Speaker 4: Well, I just want you to make sure that you've

1356
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:41,880
got homework because not only do you have to watch

1357
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,599
the great fight between Singer and Calder and I had mentioned,

1358
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,679
but you got to watch the fight between Humberdo Soda

1359
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:49,320
and her body on tune which, by the way, I

1360
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,480
looked up while you were saying that it was a

1361
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,519
lightweight world title fight, and actually it's a great listen

1362
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,239
because the broadcasters on that fight were the great broadcasters,

1363
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,559
Rich Morada, Nick Charles, that group that was doing the show. First,

1364
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,719
we'll go together a good crew that night.

1365
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: Let's check into that great stuff here on the pod.

1366
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:09,559
I will see you and talk to you on the

1367
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,119
bet Us Boxing Show, and then we're back with a

1368
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:14,840
fight Preach to night recap even off the holiday weekend,

1369
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,719
off of Labor Day weekend, Sunday night and Monday, will

1370
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,760
recap whatever happens here with Diego Pacheco and the Mattering Card.

1371
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,119
Other than that, my friend, it's always good to be

1372
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:23,679
with you, Dan.

1373
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: Rayphield you sir, thank you. There he is.

1374
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm merely TJ. Reeves. Follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, We

1375
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,519
come your way. Previewing going into the weekend, recapping coming

1376
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:37,320
off the weekend here on the Big Fight Weekend podcast

1377
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:37,719
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