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Speaker 4: Polls Well Boss. We've been charting Terry Boulder coming up
Speaker 4: through Memphis, walking in Memphis with his KFA brother Ed Boulder,
Speaker 4: and he's been it's been fascinating to see him get
Speaker 4: in the ring with the likes of Jerry Lawler and
Speaker 4: you know the Mongolian stomper Ron Bass, A ton of
Speaker 4: guys in Memphis, footage of which survives. But we don't have, though,
Speaker 4: is footage of how they improve their ring skills, that
Speaker 4: is carry and ed Boulder, Right, how did they add
Speaker 4: to what was still when you look at the tape
Speaker 4: a pretty limited repertoire, as we talked about on the
Speaker 4: Complete Hulk Hogan Ed Boulder slash Burtis Beefcake has talked
Speaker 4: a bit about how important Future WW Superstar was in
Speaker 4: seventy nine and Memphis to showing them the ropes quite
Speaker 4: literally and how to get just that much better in
Speaker 4: the ring. And that gentleman is none other than the Birdman,
Speaker 4: Coco Beware. And here we're proud to say everybody get
Speaker 4: up and everybody get down, because the Birdman is in
Speaker 4: fact in town. Coco Beware, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: joining us here in the life. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Are you are welcome?
Speaker 4: Excellent?
Speaker 2: Definitely welcome, excellent.
Speaker 4: So this is great, uh man, so much to talk
Speaker 4: to you about. So yeah, I've heard you talk in
Speaker 4: other interviews, Coco about meeting Terry and Ed in seventy
Speaker 4: nine in Memphis. But maybe you could just start there.
Speaker 4: For our listeners who haven't heard you tell the story,
Speaker 4: can you kind of revisit first meeting these two.
Speaker 2: Yes, when I first met them, they came from Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: In fact, he came out of Florida. I guess where
Speaker 2: Terry was. I guess he. I don't know exactly where
Speaker 2: he was born, but he he Someone saw him down
Speaker 2: in Florida. Some of the wrestlers went to a to
Speaker 2: a little band that Terry was in, and Terry was
Speaker 2: playing and he was actually was playing bass guitar. What
Speaker 2: they were telling me and the little bass guitar looked
Speaker 2: like a little kid's his guitar, right, you know. And
Speaker 2: and then they then they invited, hey, man, you need
Speaker 2: to get into wrestling business and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: so I think a hero Mats Suita got him started
Speaker 2: started working with him and stuff like that. I'm not
Speaker 2: really for sure, but but uh, just bus and pieces
Speaker 2: of Matt Suitor name was mentioned about he worked out
Speaker 2: with Terry stuff. And then and I guess, uh, when
Speaker 2: it was time for uh for them to move Terry
Speaker 2: and Beefcake, they said, well, Memphis was kind of one
Speaker 2: of the easy, easy territories there were really and uh, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, just to get started on because you know,
Speaker 2: it was a lot of guys that came through there
Speaker 2: and a lot of guys that left and then they
Speaker 2: came back and stuff like that. Memphis. Memphis was the hottest, hottest,
Speaker 2: the place to go at one time. So after the uh,
Speaker 2: I think it was uh, you know, I think he
Speaker 2: called up Jarrett and said, hey, can you talk? And
Speaker 2: I got it and uh and uh and Eddie, I said,
Speaker 2: you know these guys here there, Hawk is really big.
Speaker 2: He was like three hundred pounds and and so I
Speaker 2: didn't know. I didn't know either one of them and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So they came up to Memphis and
Speaker 2: then I was and uh, I was just still kind
Speaker 2: of working out with big guys and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And and uh so one night when they came in
Speaker 2: as Terry Bouter and Eddie Bouter and uh, Jerry Lawler
Speaker 2: was the booker at that time, and and he said, guys,
Speaker 2: y'all are working against these tag teams. Guys, I here,
Speaker 2: y'all gonna y'all gonna work a match. And he said, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's all I want y'all to do. I just want you,
Speaker 2: it's Terry. I just want you to throw the guy
Speaker 2: in the rope, pick him up, give him a bar hug,
Speaker 2: and slam him. I want you to do that ten times.
Speaker 2: Ten times? Wow, yeah, ten times. And Eddie, I want
Speaker 2: you to uh slam the guy. I want you to
Speaker 2: just slam him, to slam him ten times. And then
Speaker 2: I want y'all to double pinum double pen these guys
Speaker 2: one two, three. Well they did that. And then when
Speaker 2: Terry came back in the dress room, he said, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I believe. I can't believe that's how That's how he
Speaker 2: sounded like, I just can't believe. Man, I went out
Speaker 2: there and all that stuff and I didn't even do nothing.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to do none for the
Speaker 2: people and all this stuff, man, I want. I wanted
Speaker 2: to do more. I wanted to do a whole lot more.
Speaker 2: You know. I wanted to have a match with a
Speaker 2: guy and stuff. All this stuff. You know, I said
Speaker 2: that was just suck. Man, that just sucked. And going
Speaker 2: out there and shooting the guy and get him a
Speaker 2: brother hug and drop him, pick him up, to do
Speaker 2: that about ten times and baf cakes over and slamming
Speaker 2: the guy about ten times and stuff like that. He said, Man,
Speaker 2: I want to do more than that. Then that's when
Speaker 2: I came in with these guys. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 2: know him at all, and but I said, Terry, I
Speaker 2: just saw the pretension of him. I just saw the
Speaker 2: potential of mostly Terry because he was three hundred pounds. Man,
Speaker 2: I mean he got he got you, he got your eye.
Speaker 2: I mean big time. I mean like it was more
Speaker 2: than twenty two or twenty three pythons what he was
Speaker 2: talking about. And so I said, Terry, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what I could do. I said, I have a buddy.
Speaker 2: He's in Dyesburg, Tennessee, just right out of Memphis, probably
Speaker 2: about seventy five miles north of Memphis, Tennessee, on Highway
Speaker 2: fifty one. And I said, he's got a ring set
Speaker 2: up in his barn outside is in the back of
Speaker 2: his house. I said, we can go there out you
Speaker 2: and Eddie, we can we can all go work out,
Speaker 2: go work out there, and I can show you some
Speaker 2: some big man's stuff. Yeah, this is living truth. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying here, this this podcast here is is going
Speaker 2: to be shocked because I'm not going to sit out
Speaker 2: here and lie on the post.
Speaker 4: No. No, if I can't.
Speaker 2: Tell the truth about it, I'm just you know, that's
Speaker 2: what I just want everybody to really.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you know you said that who was the
Speaker 4: buddy that had the ring? Coco? Was that a wrestler?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he was. He was an ex wrestler. In fact,
Speaker 2: he was one of the Have you ever heard of
Speaker 2: Fullers of course, Ron Ron and Robert Fuller? Yes, of
Speaker 2: course it was his their granddad and their grandfather.
Speaker 4: Oh, their grandfather. So Buddy Fuller or.
Speaker 2: Her, it was herb welch Welch's ring.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, you had access to it, all right?
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, I had, you know her. Let let
Speaker 2: us come up there and and and and work out
Speaker 2: with Hulk And I mean, what would idiot and Terry?
Speaker 4: Then okay, that's great, so.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. So a Hulk wanted to Hug wanted to
Speaker 2: do a whole lot of stuff. He wanted to kind
Speaker 2: of a drop kick, He wanted to do this, he wanted
Speaker 2: to do that. And I'm going Terry, you don't need
Speaker 2: to learn how to drop kick, I said, Now you
Speaker 2: take it my role, right, I said, I'm the little
Speaker 2: guy that does the drop kicks and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I said, you're a big monster, I said, use your
Speaker 2: monster ability. Well, what can I do to I said,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna tell you what you
Speaker 2: can do this how you're going to do it, and
Speaker 2: and and you eventually you can get really really good
Speaker 2: at it. And I said, I want you to slam
Speaker 2: the guy and then I want you to run and
Speaker 2: run it and and and drop your leg on him
Speaker 2: or pick the guy in, to pick the guy up,
Speaker 2: or give him a clothes line.
Speaker 5: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Because are you telling us? Are you telling us that
Speaker 4: you gave Hulk the leg drop?
Speaker 2: I told him this is what I told him he
Speaker 2: could do. You know, I said, you could give the
Speaker 2: guy a leg drop. You can give the guy a
Speaker 2: clothesline and stuff like that, big as you are, and
Speaker 2: you could give the guy splash.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And and and I said, Terry E the one you want
Speaker 2: to either one you want to do and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I say, but as you go on, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: You're gonna have your timing down, which is which one
Speaker 2: is gonna be comfortable for you?
Speaker 4: So did he do the leg drop right there in
Speaker 4: the barn. Do you remember that or did he decide.
Speaker 2: To do he did? He tried, he tried, he tried
Speaker 2: to leg drop. He tried, he drived, tried to close
Speaker 2: line and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: That's so he did all can you tell me? Because
Speaker 4: he I mean, he got up there, especially in the
Speaker 4: very very beginning we were watching some of them, yeah.
Speaker 2: Doing now doing the leg drop. He was a little
Speaker 2: green about doing it because you know, he's he was
Speaker 2: a guy. And and and and then he didn't want
Speaker 2: to really hurt nobody trying to do the leg drop.
Speaker 2: And and I told him how to do it. I said,
Speaker 2: you gotta being when you run, you gotta hold your
Speaker 2: leg out, but you gotta bend it where the guy's neck. Yes,
Speaker 2: he will, he will fit your your knee will fit
Speaker 2: his neck.
Speaker 4: Right like the back of you right the back of
Speaker 4: your leg out right.
Speaker 2: And I said, when you come down, I said that,
Speaker 2: he said, And and he had to put it over
Speaker 2: like you really really uh. And I said, and you
Speaker 2: can pin somebody like that. I mean, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a finishing move from you, guys, I mean from from
Speaker 2: U hawk here. It is, Uh. You threw and you
Speaker 2: give him a leg drop, and give your opponent a
Speaker 2: leg drop. The guys shouldn't even get up no more.
Speaker 2: And then, you know, I said, and then you can run,
Speaker 2: You can run and give him a a elbow.
Speaker 4: Elbows, Yep, we saw elbows, sure.
Speaker 2: You know. And I said, it's all kind of choices
Speaker 2: that you can do. That's a big man's stuff right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another one we saw him. He grabbed the ropes
Speaker 4: and he drives the knee down like six times in
Speaker 4: a row in the corner.
Speaker 2: Right, and but he he was more comfortable with the
Speaker 2: with the leg drop.
Speaker 4: I see, you know.
Speaker 2: And and uh and I said, after that, I said,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get better. You gonna you're gonna feel like
Speaker 2: you could give the guys a clothes line, like you're
Speaker 2: making your comeback. You can give a guy you run
Speaker 2: and give him a clothes line, knock him down, boom,
Speaker 2: and then turn around and bag off the rope and
Speaker 2: then and then run and then drop the leg on him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so fascinating, Coco. I mean, I didn't realize.
Speaker 4: I mean, I knew he started doing the leg drop
Speaker 4: in Memphis, or at least that's the earliest tape we
Speaker 4: have of him doing anything really, but the leg drove
Speaker 4: in particular. And I wonder did you get the idea
Speaker 4: to suggest the leg drop to him because someone else
Speaker 4: in the business, another big man, was using the leg drop.
Speaker 4: Do you remember why you would have thought that was
Speaker 4: a good fit for him?
Speaker 2: No, I just saw, I just saw, you know, well,
Speaker 2: I mean my thing was totally different. I mean I
Speaker 2: could close line the guy or whatever, or my thing
Speaker 2: was like drop kicking the guys of course, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and so but for a big man, I
Speaker 2: thought it would work better for him. Yeah, as a
Speaker 2: big man. All big man's I mean, drop the leg,
Speaker 2: you could do the splash and you know, close line somebody.
Speaker 2: Just part of me, part of what you thought it
Speaker 2: was a man, big man.
Speaker 4: Still, that's that's so fascinating. So when he does it,
Speaker 4: though in the matches we've seen in Memphis seventy nine,
Speaker 4: he doesn't use it as a finish. He hits the
Speaker 4: right JP ready hits the leg. And what does he do, like,
Speaker 4: does goes for a cover or does he even go
Speaker 4: for a cover? I'm trying to remember me.
Speaker 2: Yes, he goes through the pin one two.
Speaker 6: Three, Sometimes yes, but but but sometimes he doesn't. He
Speaker 6: doesn't use it exclusively as a finish, and sometimes he
Speaker 6: does a weird leg drop where he he he what
Speaker 6: was so so he goes, he goes, he comes off
Speaker 6: the ropes, and it's a position where if you're doing
Speaker 6: a traditional leg drop, you you'd lift your left leg,
Speaker 6: but he always has his right leg, and so he
Speaker 6: ends up putting his whole body on the guy, well.
Speaker 4: Like his whole right like the back of his thigh
Speaker 4: goes across the chest. Like he uses the opposite leg
Speaker 4: then you would expect him to use years later.
Speaker 2: So it's not well, so he so he could easy
Speaker 2: roll up, roll the opposite way and getting up I see, yeah,
Speaker 2: or just and then cover the guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very good. So do you remember him not using
Speaker 4: it as a finish in the beginning, Because even in
Speaker 4: WWF when he first went there in nineteen eighty in
Speaker 4: late seventy nine for Vince Senior, he would do the
Speaker 4: leg drop the middle of the match and just keep going.
Speaker 4: It was. It wasn't the finish until he went baby
Speaker 4: face and a w A, I don't think what.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. You know, I told him, say
Speaker 2: you could use this. I didn't say that it could
Speaker 2: be a finish, right, got it. I just told him
Speaker 2: you could use this, and and uh and but if
Speaker 2: it if if it looks if you do it so impressing,
Speaker 2: that is that is that is something else work a guy.
Speaker 2: A guy shouldn't even want to get up.
Speaker 4: If you want to get up. Now, you're right about that.
Speaker 4: He went when he dialed that in and made that
Speaker 4: his finish, man, that.
Speaker 2: Was because that's his finish. That's a good finishing move.
Speaker 2: And that's what's wrong with the wrestling today. They're doing
Speaker 2: incredible moves and they and they and they get a
Speaker 2: lack of one two one two uh one two count
Speaker 2: out of it and the guy kicks out on the
Speaker 2: one hell will finishes.
Speaker 4: Yep, we're talking about all the time, the values, the entire.
Speaker 2: That's what I can't understand. I can't understand why guys
Speaker 2: using they're a finishing hold, knowing that if you use
Speaker 2: that kind of hold out on the street, the guy's
Speaker 2: not getting back up. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, So can you tell us Coco kind of based
Speaker 4: on the other guys you knew in the business, where
Speaker 4: was Terry at As far as I know, you said
Speaker 4: he was green, and you can see he's green, but
Speaker 4: he's not brand brand new. In fact, I'm not even
Speaker 4: sure if you realize this, but he didn't come to
Speaker 4: Memphis from Florida. He was in Florida in seventy seven.
Speaker 4: He had about a dozen matches for Eddie Graham, and
Speaker 4: then he took a year off of the business and
Speaker 4: he went to Cocoa Beach, Florida with Eddie Boulder and
Speaker 4: they worked in a nightclub there, slash bar called the
Speaker 4: Anchor Club, and they opened a gym as well there
Speaker 4: in Coco Beach. They took a year off. Seventy nine,
Speaker 4: he gets back into the business, but before he goes
Speaker 4: to Memphis, he wrestles for about four months or three
Speaker 4: months for Ron Fuller in the Southeastern Territory Doth in
Speaker 4: that whole loop down there. And in fact, he had
Speaker 4: already wrestled Andre the Giant before he came to Memphis.
Speaker 4: We don't have tape of these matches. We do have
Speaker 4: a tape of an angle he did at the Doth
Speaker 4: and TV studios where he attacked Andrea during the arm
Speaker 4: wrestling angle thing that they did, and Andre juiced for
Speaker 4: him and everything. We found that whole footage came out
Speaker 4: so long, so many years later, so it wasn't like
Speaker 4: people knew about it at the time. So do you
Speaker 4: remember that him coming to you as someone who had
Speaker 4: had some serious, high profile matches in Alabama or is
Speaker 4: your memory he didn't do anything since Florida.
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't say anything to me about it.
Speaker 4: Got it okay about.
Speaker 2: Eating the matches that he had because I didn't know him.
Speaker 2: I didn't know him like that. See, when they came
Speaker 2: into Memphis, they they was kind of like green greenhole.
Speaker 4: Right, it looked to you like he couldn't do anything, like,
Speaker 4: I mean, could he what could he do?
Speaker 2: Well? I mean when Lawler had him out there, just
Speaker 2: say hey, this is this is all I want y'all
Speaker 2: to do. And that's what a hulk got up said about.
Speaker 4: When when you got him in the barn, could he
Speaker 4: do more than you expected? Or was he actually really
Speaker 4: that limited?
Speaker 2: And Lawla was, well, when we got him in the barn,
Speaker 2: when I got him in the barn, this this is
Speaker 2: what I was I was telling him, Terry, this is
Speaker 2: what we do. You need to do the big man
Speaker 2: stuff and and that, and that's what I was giving him.
Speaker 2: The big man stuff like like he would Andrea Giant.
Speaker 2: Andrea Giants not gonna go up here and kick uh
Speaker 2: uh do a drop kick on Coco be ware you used, said,
Speaker 2: Andrea Giants gonna he's gonna give him a choke. He
Speaker 2: gonna pick him up and slam him, slam into the mat.
Speaker 2: Or he can drop a leg if Andrea Giant, if
Speaker 2: he's dropped the leg on you, or he he splashed you.
Speaker 2: You and you know what that should be?
Speaker 4: The finish should be the finish great. So did he
Speaker 4: do many sessions with you at the barn or was
Speaker 4: it just one?
Speaker 2: We did? We get baby, little couple and uh and
Speaker 2: and and I said, this is all you need, yep, Terry,
Speaker 2: this is all you need to do. And I said,
Speaker 2: if you keep doing this down the down the years,
Speaker 2: I said, you're gonna you're gonna get polished. You're gonna
Speaker 2: this is gonna make you really get polished and get
Speaker 2: good at it. Then you can be able to strut
Speaker 2: your stuff and do whatever how you want to do
Speaker 2: it and stuff like that. I said, all this is
Speaker 2: gonna come to you. Did I said, well, but right
Speaker 2: now you need you need to learn how to do
Speaker 2: that clothesline. You needed, you need to drop the leg,
Speaker 2: You need to do the splash, if you want to
Speaker 2: do the splash. I said, that's that's something to you
Speaker 2: on that you just you just take that however you
Speaker 2: want to take. You do it the way you want
Speaker 2: to do it, just quickly.
Speaker 4: How is Eddie? Was he even greener than Terry? Because
Speaker 4: I'm not even sure Eddie had done much wrestling?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah he would, Yeah, he hadn't done too much anyway,
Speaker 2: Eddie hasn't He wouldn't done. And I was just kind
Speaker 2: of working. I said, what you Eddie? Now you could
Speaker 2: at your side, you could drop kick the guys and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I said, now, you're not as big
Speaker 2: as Hulk, right, you know? And I was just you know,
Speaker 2: but I didn't really concentrate on Eddie too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so it's more it's more about focusing on Terry. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 2: Right, because you know, when Terry walked down the street
Speaker 2: and if everybody don't pull over side the road, man,
Speaker 2: it's something wrong. He said, wait a minute, who was
Speaker 2: this big guy here? Man? God that we don't just
Speaker 2: so see guys like it every day walking around.
Speaker 4: That's the origin story is that one full and Louis
Speaker 4: Tillette was looking for him, saw this guy that had
Speaker 4: you know, he worked a bit in seventy seven. The
Speaker 4: Briscoes knew him, the Graham's new him, Bob rup knew him,
Speaker 4: a couple of some other guys, and it's like this
Speaker 4: guy is just it's just massive and he turns heads.
Speaker 4: And Louis Toilette, I think, gets some of the credit
Speaker 4: for being the first guy to say like, no, like,
Speaker 4: even though you're green as as can be, you've got
Speaker 4: something we absolutely can make money with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just I just I just wanted to
Speaker 2: let everybody to know I just started him out. I
Speaker 2: didn't know nothing about him at all when he came.
Speaker 2: But when he came to Memphis, he was writing my
Speaker 2: territory and he needed I knew he needed help or
Speaker 2: they needed help, and I was willing to give. I
Speaker 2: gave them what I thought, what I thought what a
Speaker 2: big man should have.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 6: So that's wanted to asked one thing before, like please
Speaker 6: so way wait, I mean, I'm sorry to go back
Speaker 6: this far, but you talked about how he uh when
Speaker 6: he first came in, how how people were we were
Speaker 6: pinning him left and right right? Is that what you
Speaker 6: said when he first came in, like people like they
Speaker 6: had to go out there, and you said he wanted
Speaker 6: to do more? I mean did.
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: How did how did that pinning him like that many times?
Speaker 2: I mean did it?
Speaker 6: Did it kind of? Did he kind of get to
Speaker 6: get to his confidence? Did he feel a little like
Speaker 6: freaked out the fact that.
Speaker 2: He can him? He did? He didn't want to, He
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that him. This was the finish
Speaker 2: were him and law I mean that beefcake and I'm
Speaker 2: saying beefcake. They just told him to go out there
Speaker 2: and and slam the guy. Yeah, and he slammed the
Speaker 2: guy ten times. Hulk shoot the guy in for a
Speaker 2: barrel hub for ten times and drops and then at
Speaker 2: the end of it, y'all, y'all do a double pin
Speaker 2: on these guys and beat him one, two, three and
Speaker 2: the middle of the ring. So they would there.
Speaker 4: I got you wouldn't take that, they would get the pin.
Speaker 4: I got you.
Speaker 6: I wasn't sure that sounded like it was the other
Speaker 6: way around, but now I get it. Thank you for clarity, Coco,
Speaker 6: that Terry was maybe did you think part of it
Speaker 6: was Terry was concerned that they weren't letting him do
Speaker 6: more like that that by telling him just to do
Speaker 6: these basic moves, they were purposely kind of holding him down.
Speaker 2: You know. No, no, they thought they knew they was
Speaker 2: he was green from from the story with Ady Graham
Speaker 2: right told told Jerry Jared.
Speaker 4: And that was what he had to go on. So
Speaker 4: that's great, So so we go on.
Speaker 2: So so they they was trying to say, well, we're
Speaker 2: going to start to these guys slow and see see
Speaker 2: what they can do.
Speaker 4: When we went back and looked at it. He first
Speaker 4: came in in May seventy nine to Memphis and he
Speaker 4: did a couple of matches kind of like at first
Speaker 4: as a mystery partner for Jerry Lawler as the Hulk.
Speaker 4: He had already, like we had talked about, made a
Speaker 4: bit of an impact down in South eastern from Ron Fuller.
Speaker 4: So it was known that he was, you know, an entity.
Speaker 4: Were you surprised that the day one he came in
Speaker 4: he was associated with the top guy Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wouldn't. I was already surprised because I thought
Speaker 2: he was good. He was he he was out of
Speaker 2: this world, that he could work I mean he was.
Speaker 2: I mean he was like Andre to Jihant. He wasn't
Speaker 2: the best worker. Yeah, he wasn't the best worker, but
Speaker 2: what Andre could do, he was good at it.
Speaker 4: Do you do you think that Jerry uh might have
Speaker 4: gotten I don't know a little concern that Hulk got
Speaker 4: too over as a baby face and might have been
Speaker 4: cutting in on that spot as time went.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't really. At that time, Lawler didn't have
Speaker 2: didn't have nothing to worry about on that on that end,
Speaker 2: because he was he was still green. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: he was still green, and he just he did he
Speaker 2: just didn't have it. He just didn't have it together
Speaker 2: like when he when he got when he when he
Speaker 2: went to New York, that's when he did. He that's
Speaker 2: when he had his hisself together.
Speaker 4: One more question about training him, and then we'll move
Speaker 4: on to some other parts of you know, hanging out
Speaker 4: with them and stuff in Memphis? Did Hulk Did you
Speaker 4: have to work with Hulk on kicking out? Like, was
Speaker 4: him kicking out of pinfall something he really was interested
Speaker 4: in getting better at.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't have to do that at all, because
Speaker 2: you know they're right there. It was this kind of
Speaker 2: simple simple thing to do. Yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: I was I was just trying to help him to
Speaker 2: do the big man stuff.
Speaker 4: The big man stuff, because what he tells the story
Speaker 4: about hearing Matsuda, you know, it's like I got my
Speaker 4: leg broken and they were doing the initiation thing and
Speaker 4: it was like kind of kind of a rough thing
Speaker 4: for him, and he was kind of paranoid, you know,
Speaker 4: the way he told it over the years that like
Speaker 4: people would try to take advantage.
Speaker 2: Of I don't know, I don't think he I don't
Speaker 2: really think he broke his leg or whatever because he
Speaker 2: was moving too much when he came to Memphis. If
Speaker 2: you break your leg once, I mean you're not going
Speaker 2: to be really really going out there for straw, right,
Speaker 2: you know, just going out there. And I really because
Speaker 2: he didn't didn't. He never did say to me about
Speaker 2: that he broke his leg and whatever and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know, but it was it was, uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: they were they was good. Like I say, they were,
Speaker 2: they were good. I mean, after I learned him from
Speaker 2: They was green when they came in, and then they
Speaker 2: stayed around for a little while and then they left.
Speaker 2: They went to verning Ganya, and then I didn't see
Speaker 2: him no more till nineteen eighty six when I got
Speaker 2: when I got, uh, Evince wanted got accepted it in
Speaker 2: the w w L.
Speaker 4: That's great and we're gonna definitely get there. But before
Speaker 4: we go that far ahead. You also, it sounds like
Speaker 4: you just helped them train that a couple of times
Speaker 4: in the barn. You traveled with them. You you you
Speaker 4: were in the towns with them. Tell us all about
Speaker 4: what it was like traveling with Terry and Ed Boulder
Speaker 4: before they were superstars.
Speaker 2: Well, we had a big green Lincoln. I mean Terry
Speaker 2: had a big green He had a big green Lincoln
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And Terry, I mean Hawk would
Speaker 2: drive and and Beefcake was that he would be on
Speaker 2: the other side and I'll be in the back seat,
Speaker 2: and I just I just loved it. Here's these big
Speaker 2: two munsters back here. I'm back there just talking, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just like man. And we would go to these towns,
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth, and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know, because that's when Memphis was kind of hot,
Speaker 2: you know. But Terry would They didn't have him as
Speaker 2: a main event or whatever at the time. You know,
Speaker 2: they just didn't have they didn't have him. He had
Speaker 2: a match, he had a match with and and the
Speaker 2: match didn't go along. You know, if he had a
Speaker 2: match in Memphis and we go to Louisville, we go
Speaker 2: to we go to Evansville, Indiana, where we might go Lexington,
Speaker 2: Kentucky and stuff like that. I mean, you know, then
Speaker 2: we'll drive all the way back across back down to
Speaker 2: Memphis getting ready for TV and stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 2: So I mean that was that was That was it,
Speaker 2: and you know that's where and that's where they the
Speaker 2: guys could get really polished because we was out there
Speaker 2: every every night. Every night. We start off in Memphis,
Speaker 2: then we go to Louisville on Tuesday. Then we go
Speaker 2: to Evansville on a Wednesday, and then if there's that
Speaker 2: month rose around, there's Lexington, Kentucky up arena and we'll
Speaker 2: work there and stuff, and then we'll come on back
Speaker 2: down to uh uh it's uh, I can't even think
Speaker 2: of the name, little Mississippi town, Tupelo, Mississippi. And then
Speaker 2: we'd go to Jonesboro, Arkansas, or we'll go to uh
Speaker 2: Nashville on a Saturday night.
Speaker 4: Where were they?
Speaker 2: And that was the that was the territory.
Speaker 4: That's that's great. So I can picture the geographic area
Speaker 4: where were they. Were they living in like a hotel
Speaker 4: like a Day's In or something, or did they have
Speaker 4: an apartment.
Speaker 2: You know what? Uh, I think they had they had
Speaker 2: some kind of a partner. Now now they had a
Speaker 2: hotel like the Day's Inn or something, you know, and
Speaker 2: and we will get a hotel, I mean, get the
Speaker 2: hotel every night.
Speaker 4: I see, so just call the hotel the hotel. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 4: So you're in that car, and what kind of stuff
Speaker 4: are they talking about him? And I know they were
Speaker 4: eating like crazy, they were probably smoking like crazy, they
Speaker 4: were hanging out with women crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean. The thing though, it is I had a
Speaker 2: great time with them and stuff like that. And uh,
Speaker 2: it was just it was just I never see him.
Speaker 2: I never did see him date any girls or anything
Speaker 2: like that. Now, I didn't never even see that much.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, got it.
Speaker 2: You know, because I wasn't around them. When I when
Speaker 2: it's time for me to go to my hotel, I
Speaker 2: go to my room and stuff like that, and and
Speaker 2: I just I just I did my thing on you know.
Speaker 2: The next morning, we get up and we go to
Speaker 2: go to the gym and go get something to eat,
Speaker 2: go to the gym. And I worked out with him,
Speaker 2: you know, so I worked out with them. With them,
Speaker 2: it was it was good. I mean, I mean it
Speaker 2: was good. It was really good that I worked out.
Speaker 2: I mean I felt I felt good. And and and
Speaker 2: Hug learned me some things, and and and Eddie learned
Speaker 2: me some things about working out and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we we it was just it
Speaker 2: came out where it was just like brothers was together.
Speaker 2: That's how how that's how their relationship came turned out
Speaker 2: to be like brothers.
Speaker 4: So how would that work out? Regimen? They always talk
Speaker 4: about it. Eddie did a book and he talked about it.
Speaker 4: They would eat a lot, right and they would be
Speaker 4: tell us about how they kept their diet, their diet
Speaker 4: on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just we died in the car. And then
Speaker 2: when we when we when it's time we have a
Speaker 2: match and stuff like that. And then Huk Hulk will say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gon We're gonna go to the roast
Speaker 2: store and that's when they pig out.
Speaker 4: Okay, what are we talking? What's on the menu? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we need to know what what what would they What
Speaker 4: would they get?
Speaker 2: Oh, they would get all kind of bananas, apples, oranges
Speaker 2: and milk and stuff and you know, just a lot
Speaker 2: of protein drinks and just just a little favorite thing.
Speaker 6: What was it? What was like a favorite place you
Speaker 6: guys would go eat? Would you ever eat? Would you
Speaker 6: ever eat with them? Would I go out to eat?
Speaker 6: Like go to a bar or go to like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, any restaurant like anything like that.
Speaker 2: I mean we we went to, uh, I guess a steakhouse.
Speaker 2: You know, places like that were like a long horn
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I mean we we just that's
Speaker 2: when the people didn't even realize because when everybody walked in,
Speaker 2: I mean when we walked in, then nobody kind of realize.
Speaker 2: Howk until he really got big on the Rocky movie.
Speaker 4: I see m So he was big and wrestling, but
Speaker 4: when you went out in public in general, he had
Speaker 4: some privacy people.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that bad. I mean, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2: I mean even with Jared Lawler, yes, they would know
Speaker 2: him and stuff like that, but just just force him,
Speaker 2: just just saying, hey, that's oh my god, Hulk is
Speaker 2: in there, you know, and just like I mean, you
Speaker 2: know when when he left, when he left the Rocky
Speaker 2: movie and stuff like, he got over real big.
Speaker 4: Of course he didn't. You mentioned the green Lincoln that
Speaker 4: they had. They've talked about that over the years. Eddie's
Speaker 4: talked about it, others have talked about it. Ron Bass
Speaker 4: tells the story about how Hulk used to make fun
Speaker 4: of Ron's little dog, and so Ron to get him
Speaker 4: back one time smashed into the side of his Lincoln
Speaker 4: and and then Terry got out all pissed off, and
Speaker 4: then Ron pulled a pulled a gun on him to
Speaker 4: freak him out before he realized it.
Speaker 2: Was I don't know now, I don't know nothing about that.
Speaker 2: Come on, I wasn't no.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there, Okay, I was hoping you were in
Speaker 4: the back seat, not that you get hurt.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I wasn't there all the time
Speaker 2: with those guys. It was just it was where where
Speaker 2: when I was with him those guys, it was just
Speaker 2: strictly business. We own the road and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And they the one wanted me to go with them, right,
Speaker 2: they wanted me to go with them and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And and I guess it's just being nice hunk with
Speaker 2: just being nice is saying, hey, you know, man, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you. The only one down here just really cure
Speaker 2: anything about us, you know, and we just like for
Speaker 2: you to tag alone and stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 4: Yep, got it? Okay, that's clear. Yeah, because Eddie tells
Speaker 4: a story in his book about Sherry and how they
Speaker 4: met Sherry in a club down there before she was
Speaker 4: even in the business. Do you remember Sherry being around
Speaker 4: Memphis before she was even wrestling.
Speaker 2: You're talking about Sherry.
Speaker 4: Get sensational, Sherry, Sherry Martel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I knew Sherry Martell. Yes, I knew her, but
Speaker 2: you know I knew her what she got into business?
Speaker 2: I got it. Yes. Now, now I think I think
Speaker 2: Jake to Snake will I think he was going with
Speaker 2: her one time. Yep. I don't know, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't know the whole history about Sherry.
Speaker 4: No, no, Yeah, I just wondered. It just seemed like
Speaker 4: Eddie was telling the story as if they met her
Speaker 4: when they were in Memphis before you know, she was
Speaker 4: dancing at a club, and she she knew the business,
Speaker 4: she loved the business. But I just thought it was
Speaker 4: fascinating that they knew her before she was in wrestling.
Speaker 4: I always thought that they would have met there.
Speaker 2: But right that was, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: anything about that, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 2: just knew. I just knew. Uh Man, when we when
Speaker 2: we load up, we'll drive and we we'll stop and eat,
Speaker 2: and we'll stop and eat, stop and eat just a
Speaker 2: little risk. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean there were those guys.
Speaker 2: And then then when we drive all the way back,
Speaker 2: we're running to a place called Kroger Park, I mean
Speaker 2: grocery store and stuff like that. And we and we
Speaker 2: get groceries in there, and and we were going down
Speaker 2: the highway and man, Dolly headed back to Memphis. You
Speaker 2: know that's but I want to say this too, And
Speaker 2: I know it. I know this. You're probably gonna come up.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna ask me this. I want to
Speaker 2: say this, and I mean this from my heart. There
Speaker 2: was no racial mark said in my present ye with
Speaker 2: Hunk and Beefcake. They never did use the word nigger
Speaker 2: at all. I don't know where they came from. And
Speaker 2: I travel with those guys the whole time down here,
Speaker 2: and it really bothered me when that when it came
Speaker 2: out that somebody want a suit hery and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It bothered me because it wasn't true in my world.
Speaker 2: I said, unless cherry doesn't change, that didn't even mention.
Speaker 2: I mean, they treated me like I was their brother.
Speaker 4: Awesome. I'm glad. I want to run it up because.
Speaker 2: I just want the world to know that that I
Speaker 2: don't care what they say. They did not say anything
Speaker 2: about that. Okay, Now I don't know, you know, they
Speaker 2: said Brooke, I mean, is his daughter was dating this
Speaker 2: this black dude whatever, And that's when they came it
Speaker 2: came up. Well, I don't, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2: All of this was way before all that, when his
Speaker 2: daughter started dating. Yeah, I'm talking about me and a
Speaker 2: Hawk and and and be for we were I mean,
Speaker 2: we was brothers. And it wasn't no nigger jokes anything.
Speaker 2: Ain't like that. He was just brothers.
Speaker 4: And let me ask you, Coco, I bet you kind
Speaker 4: of heard a lot of jokes like I bet there
Speaker 4: are some people, not I'm not to ask you to
Speaker 4: name them, but there are some people that definitely would
Speaker 4: make you uncomfortable in that way, right, And they weren't
Speaker 4: two of.
Speaker 2: Them, you know, what. That didn't bother me. That's the
Speaker 2: thing about it. See if I let that bother me,
Speaker 2: because I already know there's somebody's going to say something
Speaker 2: about some some black person already and they're going to
Speaker 2: use that word. Well, let's turn the let's turn the
Speaker 2: whole tables around. When I get when we get mad,
Speaker 2: when black folk getting mad? Would another black person, what
Speaker 2: do you think they call them?
Speaker 5: I'm so old, I'm not going to say it well
Speaker 5: saying you know what they're gonna say.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, yeah, So that's.
Speaker 2: That's how it is. I mean, so why should I
Speaker 2: get I mean, why should another black person will get mad?
Speaker 2: If they if they was joking around or or they
Speaker 2: just came out and said that, now they came out
Speaker 2: and then what they were saying, they're serious about it.
Speaker 2: Then you know what, then I then I got the
Speaker 2: right to say something to them in return. So but
Speaker 2: other than that, you know, that's that's the only time.
Speaker 2: That's what that's the difference of it. You know, why
Speaker 2: get why get upset? Well? I know why they get
Speaker 2: upset because everybody looks up on hu Kogan was a
Speaker 2: he was memorial brother. I mean, I'll come what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah he was held up on a pedestal. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's right. I'm glad you brought it up. I
Speaker 4: mean we weren't we definitely.
Speaker 2: And you did. And you know he wasn't gonna you know,
Speaker 2: you don't say those things. It's okay for everybody else
Speaker 2: tonna say that, but certain people were you out here
Speaker 2: in this entertaining world. You gotta watch what you say. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't And you know what and if he
Speaker 2: and if he said it, if he said it, and
Speaker 2: but I know he was saying it. Probably he was
Speaker 2: upset with his daughter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the context. You're right. Yeah, it was on.
Speaker 4: He was being recorded. He didn't know it. He was
Speaker 4: talking to the he was talking to the radio host wife,
Speaker 4: and he was on because they were investigating if he
Speaker 4: was being extorted for the sex tape. And he said it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was talking about.
Speaker 2: See that's why I see see true body with me now,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you with me and I and and
Speaker 2: that's where he was green that I believe. Okay, see
Speaker 2: that we when you when you're doing podcasts, when you're
Speaker 2: doing radio, when you're doing TV, you got to watch
Speaker 2: what you say.
Speaker 4: Well he didn't know. Yeah, but he didn't know he
Speaker 4: was being recorded for.
Speaker 2: He was green. The reason why he didn't know because
Speaker 2: he never was taught. And see, I wasn't around. I
Speaker 2: wasn't around hunk that longed to say, hey, huok, you
Speaker 2: only talk about certain things and you can't swear. See
Speaker 2: that's the first thing they learned us in mental sendency.
Speaker 2: Hey do not swear on TV? Yeah, and we swear
Speaker 2: it on TV. We had we had a a person
Speaker 2: that work work with with the TV station. They wouldn't
Speaker 2: give us no interview time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that would be harmful to your career. Well, well, Memphis.
Speaker 4: You know a question I didn't have about the circuit
Speaker 4: is you know it didn't have the reputation. I don't
Speaker 4: know by the time Jerry took over from Nick glasson Improved,
Speaker 4: but he didn't have the reputation of paying the best right.
Speaker 4: A lot of guys were frustrated with their pay in Memphis.
Speaker 4: But then I pictured, you know, Hulk being on the
Speaker 4: road with the Continental and and go in to the
Speaker 4: grocery store three times a day. You know, I want
Speaker 4: to get your sense. I mean, I mean by the
Speaker 4: time they buy all those groceries and all that gas,
Speaker 4: do they have much money left over? What was that like?
Speaker 2: Well, it's the same way everybody. Then you have to
Speaker 2: work with lawlor to make big money, okay. And then
Speaker 2: and then and then when we're saying about big money,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you might make a thousand dollars And
Speaker 2: I didn't see these guys checks right right, and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. You know, even when when uh uh was
Speaker 2: his name Rocky uh was his name Rocky Dwayne Johnson,
Speaker 2: Dwayne Johnson, when he before he became used his real name.
Speaker 2: He came in in the myphics as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's flex cavana right right right.
Speaker 2: And he would and you know what, you could buy
Speaker 2: him for twenty five dollars and he and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you right now. And I never and I'm the
Speaker 2: one that him try to help him in the rest
Speaker 2: of the business because I can't. I can't say this
Speaker 2: on a tape. I can't say what I want to
Speaker 2: say on tape because I don't want to hurt Rocky.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt Dwayne or whatever. It wasn't
Speaker 2: nothing really bad, but it was bad. He's an Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast with Jack for A SEO and Jpi Soros
Speaker 1: a Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 2: Rocket was sitting. Dwayne came into Memphis and they wasn't
Speaker 2: doing nothing what he was he was never starting. Let
Speaker 2: me start back. Hold on Miami University. He played football there, right.
Speaker 2: They tried to get him in the NFL. That didn't work.
Speaker 2: Then he had to turn to wrestling, so he went
Speaker 2: I guess he went to WWE and then l and
Speaker 2: then finally they they sent him down to Memphis where Okay,
Speaker 2: he came into Memphis and they was paying him twenty
Speaker 2: five thirty dollars a night. I mean, this is that
Speaker 2: was he didn't have no way, he didn't have I'm
Speaker 2: talking about poor.
Speaker 4: Seven dollars in his pocket or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know whatever, it's seven dollars.
Speaker 2: And he had downtown Bruno and he will stay at
Speaker 2: his place, and you know what, And he wasn't the
Speaker 2: only place he stayed at. He had other guy that
Speaker 2: was hip was hlping him out too. But one day,
Speaker 2: one night we had a show and he was stressed
Speaker 2: out on the couch. And but I've been knowing y'all
Speaker 2: know his nickname. Uh, do y'all know Dwayne Johnson Dewey.
Speaker 2: There we go. Dewey used surrived with me and his dad,
Speaker 2: different places to the shows and stuff like that. That
Speaker 2: you know, but that that was that, But that's when
Speaker 2: he was young. But now the Miami, Now I'm back
Speaker 2: on the right track now.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 2: He was stressed out on the couch and said, you
Speaker 2: know what, Coke, you know what? Uh, we was all
Speaker 2: just talking. He said, Man, I don't know if he
Speaker 2: mentioned my name or not. He said, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna do here. Man, I'm
Speaker 2: not making no money. And Jerry Lawlingen was beating him
Speaker 2: every night, and uh, and the kid was still over
Speaker 2: with the crowd. The young girl was going. They were
Speaker 2: screaming because he was he was a good looking man.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: And he said and uh, and I said do it.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, man, you go to w W E,
Speaker 2: I mean F. I said, you go to w w F.
Speaker 2: I want you to go up there, man, because I
Speaker 2: just left him up there. I said, I want you
Speaker 2: to go up there. And I want you to keep
Speaker 2: your mouth shut and don't say nothing. Oh lord, Coco
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry about this. Uh My dad
Speaker 2: already burned all kinds of bridges up there. I said,
Speaker 2: I don't care what your dad had done, right, I said,
Speaker 2: I want you to go up there and make some
Speaker 2: money and keep your mouth shut. I said, because they
Speaker 2: might do something with you, because they done tried. This.
Speaker 2: Senior already was trying to put the belt on Tony
Speaker 2: Allats and a few more black guys up there, and
Speaker 2: said they wanted a black champion, but they all been
Speaker 2: messing up. He said, they all been messing up, but
Speaker 2: you know, and he said, but you you go up there,
Speaker 2: and said, man, you're a good looking person. You say,
Speaker 2: you're all these people, these girls down here going crazy
Speaker 2: over you. I said, you go there, keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 2: They might do something with you. And said he said, well, okay,
Speaker 2: I go out, And so he went on up there.
Speaker 2: I said, they're gonna, yes, they're gonna beat you. They're
Speaker 2: gonna beat you. They want us seem you can you
Speaker 2: can handle what they're gonna do to you. I said,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get over on Steve on on Stone
Speaker 2: on Stove Stone cold, Steve Wauston. I said, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a lack of tie. Said, they're gonna put you over.
Speaker 2: They're gonna put They're gonna they're gonna put Steve, Steve
Speaker 2: Awson over. You're gonna lose. They're gonna put Steve Awson over.
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose your match. But the crowd is loving
Speaker 2: you because you got something. When you get the eyebrow,
Speaker 2: I think right with your eyes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they were off to the races. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's amazing. I didn't realize that you were also
Speaker 4: there when Rocky was having questions about you know, how
Speaker 4: much further he was gonna.
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, and you know and so and that's what
Speaker 2: I just told him. And he was in the dress room.
Speaker 2: Can you smell what memph was this cooking?
Speaker 4: Cooking? It's gotta be ribs and good stuff.
Speaker 2: So you know, I mean all stuff like that, and uh,
Speaker 2: it didn't hit home until he got up there. Can
Speaker 2: you smell what the rock is cooking?
Speaker 4: Amazing?
Speaker 6: Did did you have when you when you when you
Speaker 6: were watching him down in Memphis? Do you have any
Speaker 6: inkling that he would I mean, not necessarily this particular match,
Speaker 6: but did you I guess by the time two thousand
Speaker 6: and two rolled around. Were you surprised at all that
Speaker 6: that the Rock would made event WRESTLEMANI with Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: a because I knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 6: Did you know about then though, when he was in Memphis?
Speaker 6: Did you like have that inkling like you know, someday
Speaker 6: he's going to be like you know.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I didn't call I didn't call a
Speaker 2: shot like that. I called a shot when he when
Speaker 2: he got when he got Poplar and all this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he's and then that's what let me tell
Speaker 2: you number See, this is another this is another part
Speaker 2: that the people people don't realize. Let me tell you, Yeah, Dwayne,
Speaker 2: he didn't make it really really big in the wrestling business.
Speaker 2: Watching now, I was gonna say he didn't holdly, he
Speaker 2: didn't make it. He didn't make it big in the
Speaker 2: wrestling business. He made it big in the movies. And
Speaker 2: then he came back to the wrestling business.
Speaker 4: Yes, he did.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. So even when he the
Speaker 2: rest of the the movie got him over as Dwayne Johnson.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, Well.
Speaker 2: But he but he did, but he did not get
Speaker 2: over just starting out as as uh, Dwayne, Dwayne Johnson
Speaker 2: whatever in the rat Johnson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize that part of it, But that
Speaker 4: came up because we were talking to you about, you know,
Speaker 4: the Memphis pay Days and stuff, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask you, do you remember how Jerry Jarrett and Jerry
Speaker 4: Lawler kind of felt about Hulk. I mean you already
Speaker 4: talked a little bit about how you know, Lawler thought
Speaker 4: he was green, but at the same time he was
Speaker 4: working with him, he was putting them in main events,
Speaker 4: he was rest you know, he was staring next to him,
Speaker 4: six man tags with him and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well you know that's that's that's how it works. If
Speaker 2: you can't beat them, you gott to join them.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So they knew that Hunk was was a big guy,
Speaker 2: I mean the big strong guy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, unbelievable. Where the people do people were kind
Speaker 2: of they loved him and stuff like that. But the
Speaker 2: thing about it, they just they just had room. They
Speaker 2: had room for him, but they didn't. But it came
Speaker 2: down when if the Jerry Lawler would would would take
Speaker 2: all the wins, right, Munk would Hug would go in
Speaker 2: there and he'll make the comeback and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and and Tag and Tag Lawler and Lawla come in
Speaker 2: and do his finishing move Boom one two three, you
Speaker 2: get the pen. I see what you mean, you know, so,
Speaker 2: I mean that's how, that's how that, that's how Lawla
Speaker 2: worked in the getting over and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: he had to go last every night. Hey the King,
Speaker 2: I will say, he did the king job real well.
Speaker 2: And I love Jerry Lawler and stuff like that. My
Speaker 2: my prayers goes out to him, uh for having the
Speaker 2: strokes and all that stuff. And I talked to I
Speaker 2: talked to Jerry all the time and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: He was my idol. He was one of my idols
Speaker 2: getting into wrest him in this.
Speaker 4: I bet what a huge presence he was. Do you
Speaker 4: think that Jerry Jarrett saw Hulk as a big attraction
Speaker 4: or do you think it was just somebody that he
Speaker 4: wanted to use just for a little while.
Speaker 2: No, he saw him as a big he saw me.
Speaker 2: He see, he was just too green for for Jerry too.
Speaker 2: He will try to push him, I see, like you know,
Speaker 2: but when he got when he went to vron Gunya.
Speaker 2: When they went there, that's when that's when he was
Speaker 2: started getting polished. And then varn Gun try to try
Speaker 2: to steal Hulk from Vince. Vince was going to to
Speaker 2: vron Gun and take it Hulk.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when Hulk was in Memphis with you
Speaker 4: that they would promote him as like basically for like
Speaker 4: if you came to the arena, you would see the Hulk.
Speaker 4: They would play it up like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen all that, but it's still it didn't
Speaker 2: stop the Hulk though. He didn't stop his Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it just because he was already when they
Speaker 2: when the people saw the size, they gave him. They
Speaker 2: the people gave him that title the Hulk.
Speaker 4: The people did.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying, no, he was. They changed it
Speaker 2: to Hunk. Yeah, but the people. But what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: but the people loved the Hunk because he was like
Speaker 2: the incredible Hulk.
Speaker 4: In what way. I mean it's obvious, but I'd love
Speaker 4: to hear you well.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. In that way he was built. He
Speaker 2: I mean, he this guy here, I mean, Hunk was
Speaker 2: he he had he had muscles on his neck and everything.
Speaker 2: Like I told you, when I met him, he was
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and he had more than than twenty
Speaker 2: two inch biceps.
Speaker 4: Wow, when you were in there with him? Was Robert
Speaker 4: Fuller booking?
Speaker 2: No, Robert, Robert Fuller wasn't booking mythals at that time.
Speaker 2: I mean, Robert never had their own Florida thyme Pensacola.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it was. I've heard Ron talk about it
Speaker 4: because Ron has a podcast and he said that in
Speaker 4: seventy nine, Robert, his brother, was booking for Jerry Jarrett
Speaker 4: in Memphis, and.
Speaker 2: You might have you know what I'm saying, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I might have been gone. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's all I was asking is if you remember
Speaker 4: Robert Fuller ever working with Hult, because it seemed like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember this Cocoa, but it
Speaker 4: seemed like there was a lot of talent exchange between
Speaker 4: Pensacola and Memphis back then. A lot of guys would
Speaker 4: go back and forth. Do you remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of remember that, A little bit called
Speaker 2: novelle Awsome, Yeah, yes, and stuff like that. And he
Speaker 2: was my partner as a pretty young thing.
Speaker 4: Pretty young thing. So do you remember that going back
Speaker 4: and forth. Was that like a friendly thing or were
Speaker 4: you like kind of leaving one of the guys in
Speaker 4: the dust and going to the other place or were
Speaker 4: they working together? Do you remember that vibe?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean myself, I did. I never did. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't like it like that myself. Because when Bobby Eaton,
Speaker 2: I know, y'all know Bobby Eaton him and I him,
Speaker 2: and I was partner's eye as well. And then Bobby
Speaker 2: Eaton said, at Leasa gave me a warning. He said, Coco.
Speaker 2: He said, man, I heads up. He said, this is
Speaker 2: what I really want. I want to do. I want
Speaker 2: to go with Dennis Country and Midnight Express. We're going
Speaker 2: to go to UH to Louisiana and work with Bill Watts.
Speaker 2: He said, man, what's your feelings? What's your thought about that?
Speaker 2: And you know what I told Bobby, I said, Bobby,
Speaker 2: you're a full and you're a full grown man. Yep.
Speaker 2: You make these choices, you make, you make him on
Speaker 2: your own, brother, you know. I said, good luck, you know,
Speaker 2: have at it whatever, and I hope you the best.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop nobody.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing about it. I'm not gonna stop
Speaker 2: nobody from trying to make for better himself.
Speaker 4: Do you remember Terry leaving Memphis and why he left?
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't know why he I don't.
Speaker 2: I really don't know. And at that part, I definitely
Speaker 2: don't know why he left Memphis and went to barnegonn
Speaker 2: Here because I didn't see him until till I want
Speaker 2: uh the WWF in eighty six.
Speaker 4: Just you just suddenly wasn't around anymore. Yeah, I got it, okay.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what I'm gonna tell you he was.
Speaker 2: He wasn't there when I got there. I was sitting
Speaker 2: over in the corner and there was a big Andre
Speaker 2: to John, There's Don Morocco. There's all these big guys
Speaker 2: all around and stuff like that. And when Hulk came in,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hard wasn't in the picture. He wasn't. Jimmy Hard
Speaker 2: was not in the He wasn't in the picture even
Speaker 2: in Mithless when I was, when I was with.
Speaker 4: All, Yeah, he was just sort of helping Jerry on
Speaker 4: the back end with some of the music stuff and promotions.
Speaker 4: But he wasn't a TV manager yet.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, then we'll say this right quick. Do you know
Speaker 2: how you know how Jimmy Hard got started in the business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he Jerry Lawler wanted to make a record and uh,
Speaker 4: Jimmy Hart was a big fan and was doing the
Speaker 4: gentries and they hooked up and did the record and
Speaker 4: then and then Jerry brought him into the business.
Speaker 2: No, Jerry Lawler, Yeah, yeah, Jerry Lawler and Jimmy. Jimmy
Speaker 2: wanted to be a wrestling manager. Jerry Lawler wanted to
Speaker 2: sing country music.
Speaker 4: Yep, for sure.
Speaker 2: So that's how Jimmy Hard got into wrestling business.
Speaker 4: That's right. So you were saying that through the prism
Speaker 4: of meeting Hulking eighty six again, he said.
Speaker 2: Bring it. Yeah, then we're going back. We're going back there. See,
Speaker 2: I gotta I jump all around, so you gotta watch
Speaker 2: problem on the rail, No problem. When I walked when
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six, I was there when Huck walked in,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know he was there when he walked.
Speaker 2: When he when Hug walked in the dressing room, and
Speaker 2: Hug looked over in the corner and Hug said, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'll be damn God, damn, I mean, I hope he's
Speaker 2: no kids around please. But uh and and he said
Speaker 2: he came over there, hunk came over there and picked
Speaker 2: me up and shook me like I was the baby.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: And he looked at Andre and and all of them
Speaker 2: Morocco and everybody was in there, and he said, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: this little eml here. He was the only one that
Speaker 2: helped me at Beefcake in Memphis. He said, Man, I'm
Speaker 2: glad to see you. Oh, I'm so glad to see you.
Speaker 4: What did that mean to you?
Speaker 2: Kco Man, it meant the world. I mean here it
Speaker 2: is tears coming down my eyes and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I said, man, I didn't think I ever see
Speaker 2: you no more and stuff like that. And I asked
Speaker 2: the words beef re read and stuff like that. He said, well,
Speaker 2: he'd probably be here. He's probably coming, you know, later
Speaker 2: on somewhere, you know. And uh and he did uh
Speaker 2: as came and came back as Beefcake. So but but
Speaker 2: that just made me feel good all over. I said, golly,
Speaker 2: you know, I did my I did my very very
Speaker 2: best helping somebody. And I helped him. And then when
Speaker 2: at that time, he was so he was polished, he
Speaker 2: was so polished. He he was over big time. And
Speaker 2: that's what I was telling trying to tell him, said once,
Speaker 2: once you learn how to do all of this, it's
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna get better with it. Each and every
Speaker 2: day you're talking, your interview, talking and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: You're gonna get better with it.
Speaker 4: And look at that in the full circle moment. I
Speaker 4: want to ask you one more question about uh I.
Speaker 6: Went I said one too, just now? Did you do
Speaker 6: you think just curious if you thought that? You know,
Speaker 6: in comparison Hulk Hogan to Luf Forregno is the incredible.
Speaker 6: HOWK do you think Ulk Cogan was bigger.
Speaker 2: Than well, you know what. I think he was bigger by.
Speaker 4: Name, Okay, sure.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And he was and the
Speaker 2: other dude was he was big too. I'm not disrespected him.
Speaker 2: I mean he was big. But for just everybody, they
Speaker 2: would love Hulk over him. They had Hunk out there
Speaker 2: a lot more than they had they had him. Hm.
Speaker 4: Who do you think if if, if, if if l.
Speaker 6: Ever ever gotten the wrestling ring, who do you think
Speaker 6: would who do you think would be the better one?
Speaker 2: But you know what I think, I think Hulk, especially
Speaker 2: if if like Hunk is if if they've both been
Speaker 2: doing it about the same time or whatever. You got
Speaker 2: to be trained to do this stuff, and then you
Speaker 2: and then you and then you got to you got
Speaker 2: to know how to do it. You got to know
Speaker 2: how to talk and all that stuff. See when I
Speaker 2: when I saw Hunk up in the w w F, well,
Speaker 2: he man, he could rap, come out, he could wrap.
Speaker 5: Yep, promos were there and he and he could put
Speaker 5: himself over and that's that's that's the things that that
Speaker 5: you look that you love that you If you don't
Speaker 5: have the wrapping part down you and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: then you lose.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I think the other guy could be He might be
Speaker 2: the same, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not quite. The promo Hulk was, for sure, Coco.
Speaker 4: Did Elvis ever go to any of your matches? Hulk said.
Speaker 4: Elvis used to go to some of his matches in Memphis.
Speaker 2: Elvis came there one time, but I never you see him,
Speaker 2: Oh really, because they said they set him up in
Speaker 2: the press box. Yes, wow, they had him. They had him.
Speaker 2: They had him up in the press box and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and they didn't let nobody know that Evers
Speaker 2: was in the building. They snuck him in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. I don't know how they got him in
Speaker 4: there in seventy nine, but yeah, I understand why they
Speaker 4: wouldn't make a big show of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And so you know, but that's the only
Speaker 2: time that I got a kind of, uh just a
Speaker 2: little seeing him a little bit, just just that he
Speaker 2: was leaving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my goodness. So you saw him getting in the
Speaker 4: limo or you just heard about.
Speaker 2: It, Well, just just I saw him getting in the
Speaker 2: limo and uh and stuff like that. You know, I
Speaker 2: just saw him. I didn't you know, didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: even really know that was him.
Speaker 4: But you sure it wasn't Unky tunk Man, No, No,
Speaker 4: that was I mean, listen, listen. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6: If I ever had been in the presence of Almans,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to run up to him and just
Speaker 6: grab him because I wouldn't believe he was real it's
Speaker 6: still alive.
Speaker 2: Well, well, you know what, I wasn't like that. I
Speaker 2: just wasn't like that at all. And uh but uh
Speaker 2: but that's okay. But I I couldn't make I couldn't
Speaker 2: make nothing out of it because I didn't really I
Speaker 2: saw I just saw a flash of him of him
Speaker 2: coming down, they had so many guys walking with him,
Speaker 2: and and next thing, you know, when I came out,
Speaker 2: they were just getting in the limos. So I don't
Speaker 2: I can say that they said it was it was personally,
Speaker 2: but I never did see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, the resurrection unbelievable. So one more question
Speaker 4: for you, Cooko about Memphis, because this one is of
Speaker 4: interest fans. I think in eighty one, after Hulk could
Speaker 4: come through the first time, he went to WWWF, he
Speaker 4: went to New Japan, he went to he started in Awa.
Speaker 4: He was now a big, big name in the wrestling business.
Speaker 4: He came back to Memphis just for one match in
Speaker 4: February of eighty one against Jerry Lawler. And this is
Speaker 4: the match that came out on videotape later. Remember this
Speaker 4: where they claimed Jerry Lawler once beat Hulk Cogan after
Speaker 4: he made it big in WWF Hulk, and they made
Speaker 4: a big deal about it. They put a videotape out
Speaker 4: about it. And I always wondered that in that time period,
Speaker 4: and perhaps you have some perspective on this, having worked there,
Speaker 4: did did Hulk did it bother Hulk that Jerry kind
Speaker 4: of went around acting like he beat Hulk Cogan. It
Speaker 4: was like a DQ finish and they did a rematch
Speaker 4: later in Florida. But you know, Jerry did something similar
Speaker 4: with Andre the Giant and the wrestling magazines the midget
Speaker 4: who beat Andre the Giant, that whole controversy. Do you
Speaker 4: remember the Hulk Jerry Lawler match in eighty one.
Speaker 2: And this idea?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: True, I knew Lawler see aure call Lawler. He wanted
Speaker 2: to beat you. He that was his thing. Yes, if
Speaker 2: he could beat you in Memphis, that put him over
Speaker 2: and he could get out there on the TV and
Speaker 2: talk about it. I don't beat them all. I don't
Speaker 2: beat the Hunk Hogan, I don't beat the Andre the
Speaker 2: Giants and stuff like that. I mean, you know, but
Speaker 2: even with Ric Flair, I mean, Rick Clair put Lawler over,
Speaker 2: and Lawler was supposed to return the favor to Ric Flair.
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why Ric Flair kind of don't
Speaker 2: like he don't really care for Lawla.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, that didn't happen. Do you think that there
Speaker 4: was animosity between Hulk and Lawler about that eighty one
Speaker 4: thing where they acted like he beat Hogan or not
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 2: Well, see that's I think Hogan was working with I
Speaker 2: guess McMahon. I don't know. I don't know if he
Speaker 2: was working with McMahon or not.
Speaker 4: Yea, he had for a while. Yeah, but that was
Speaker 4: like in that period between Vin Senior and vern Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. But but it was just it was
Speaker 2: it was it was just something that Lawler. That was
Speaker 2: all Lawler. I mean, Lawler can talk to you and
Speaker 2: tell you what we're gonna do as and and then
Speaker 2: you make a big comeback on the end of it
Speaker 2: where it throws your mind off, Yes, what they've done. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then you don't really you don't think about it.
Speaker 2: Ntil you in the dressing room or you you're in
Speaker 2: the airplane someone and say, Lee, what in the heck
Speaker 2: did I put him over for? Right? Right?
Speaker 4: Right? That's fascinating. Jimmy Hart said in his book that
Speaker 4: he didn't really think Jerry Lawler saw a star in
Speaker 4: in Terry in the beginning, and Jerry kind of I
Speaker 4: don't know if he disagrees or not, but that that's
Speaker 4: what he thought. Jerry's perspective was, do you think Jerry,
Speaker 4: because we talk of about, you know, how a lot
Speaker 4: of people missed on Hulk, like Eddie Graham had him first.
Speaker 4: They didn't really push him Dust he didn't like him.
Speaker 4: Alabama pushed him big time, but he left there too.
Speaker 4: And then Jerry Lawler, you know, worked with him and
Speaker 4: made him a big name in Memphis, but then he left.
Speaker 4: He had left the business for a little while. You
Speaker 4: do you think Jerry Lawler saw a star and Terry
Speaker 4: Boulder Truly.
Speaker 2: He probably saw a star. H Noel Lawlers, like I say,
Speaker 2: he probably did, and he probably didn't want him to
Speaker 2: get into bigger yeah right, you know, but he did.
Speaker 2: I mean after he left, after lawering him, after he
Speaker 2: done beat Hogan and stuff like that. He'd unbeat Andrada
Speaker 2: John and so it didn't really matter because Hope brought
Speaker 2: it up. I mean Lawler brought it, but brought all
Speaker 2: this back up before he even thought about going up
Speaker 2: to Wwe already beat all of.
Speaker 4: Them, right, He was able to say that too to
Speaker 4: his face.
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I do last one for you, Cocoa, when I mean
Speaker 4: you talked about being moved to tears in eighty six,
Speaker 4: when Hulk gave you the big Bear hug the move,
Speaker 4: you told me you should do more than just the
Speaker 4: bear hugg and there he is Bear hugging you backstage
Speaker 4: in eighty six and being emotional about it. I got
Speaker 4: to ask you, everybody we've talked to about Hulk, we
Speaker 4: asked them your reaction when you learned of his passing.
Speaker 4: It shocked a lot of people. And just what what
Speaker 4: memories and thoughts went through your head when you found
Speaker 4: out that that Hulk passed last year?
Speaker 2: Is what all we just talked about, all the questions
Speaker 2: you just asked, you asked me, and all the memories
Speaker 2: that and I'm going, oh man, and what really bothered
Speaker 2: me too? I wanted a kin to a fuel sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I got I got stuck in New Jersey. Were
Speaker 2: doing up there, and the flight was the flight canceled
Speaker 2: out until that it was a Sunday until that Monday night.
Speaker 2: It wasn't going to fly back to Memphis that Monday night. Well,
Speaker 2: I had to get up that Sunday morning. I took
Speaker 2: a flight out to all the way to Chicago and
Speaker 2: then it came down to Memphis and got in the
Speaker 2: Memphis around about eleven o'clock. Well, I get a text
Speaker 2: and saying you are invited to Hawks home homecoming ye,
Speaker 2: And I'm going like I can't make it. It was
Speaker 2: going to be that Tuesday to try to try to
Speaker 2: try to buy a ticket in Memphis, of all places
Speaker 2: many were they would ate me up, of course I would.
Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm not. I'm not related to Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: In terms of being able to pay for fair on
Speaker 4: that short notice. Well that that stinks. I'm sorry to
Speaker 4: hear that, but definitely, I'm sure you spent some time reflect.
Speaker 2: But I got it. I got invited, and and and
Speaker 2: uh and I cried about that because that hurt me,
Speaker 2: because when I heard it, and it hurt me, and
Speaker 2: and all the memories that I just went over with
Speaker 2: your guys and stuff like that, that that that's that's
Speaker 2: lifetime for me. And and then I told Brutus, and
Speaker 2: I ain't even told brutus, Brutus, why you and Hogan
Speaker 2: cannot get along? Right? Why? I said, why, why y'all
Speaker 2: cannot get a loan? That hurt me so bad that
Speaker 2: these guys here let a woman get between them.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, forget that. I mean you
Speaker 2: got to put you guys, got to put the woman
Speaker 2: in her place. And said, look here this who I
Speaker 2: was with when I didn't have nothing. And I love you, honey,
Speaker 2: but nothing is gonna come between me and huwk here
Speaker 2: me in terior here. He helped me out when I
Speaker 2: when I. He gave me money when I when when
Speaker 2: I didn't have it. Yes, he helped, he did. He
Speaker 2: helped did surgery on me when when I didn't have
Speaker 2: the surgery money. He did a lot of things for me.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of things for him. So I
Speaker 2: can't turn against him no matter what.
Speaker 4: Ye friends to the end. So what what your final question?
Speaker 4: So if you had a chance to see Hulk one
Speaker 4: last time, what would you tell him?
Speaker 2: If I had a chance, You know what, I was
Speaker 2: still I did make a when this when this brought
Speaker 2: us up to uh New York, brought the beefcake. No, no,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be cake.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: Uh TiO Santana, Greg Valentine, Jimmy Hart and h tedd
Speaker 2: Viosta was supposed to be there bringing all the legends back,
Speaker 2: you know, and uh and I got a chance. Jimmy
Speaker 2: Hart was on was talking to Huck on the phone,
Speaker 2: and I got a chance to talk to I said Jimmy,
Speaker 2: Because Jimmy wasn't gonna let me talk to him. Where
Speaker 2: he's busy. Hulk is busy, Jimmy, all, he's coming up. Well,
Speaker 2: he's so busy, he came, he can't. I said, well, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: let me talk to Hunk here for a minute. One minute, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: So I talked. I talked to jim I mean, I
Speaker 2: talked to hook and I said, hey, big brother, how
Speaker 2: you doing us? I said, I've been trying to call
Speaker 2: you and everything, but I don't have your number. And
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow your
Speaker 2: phone up and stuff like that. I'm not gonna wear
Speaker 2: you to death. I said, you know, I know how
Speaker 2: the rastle business work. I don't want people to wear
Speaker 2: me to death either, I said, you know, but I
Speaker 2: think we all at least say hello to each other sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know. I said, I never forgot you, what you
Speaker 2: did and what you did for me and all that
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I never forgot you. And uh
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, he said, I never forgot you, brother,
Speaker 2: when you helped me out down to her Welch's place
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Men bee for and uh but
Speaker 2: I said, man, I just wish I just wish you
Speaker 2: and Beefer can get along and man, get back brothers again.
Speaker 2: He said, well, I don't think that's that were going
Speaker 2: to happen and stuff like that. I said, that hurts me.
Speaker 2: It hurts me big time because we was all big buddies.
Speaker 2: And then I got off the phone. I said, here's
Speaker 2: Jimmy hard. I don't want to talk to you too long. Man.
Speaker 2: I love you, man, you take care of yourself. I
Speaker 2: didn't know he was sick or anything.
Speaker 4: Right, amazing, you know, and and you know what, and
Speaker 4: it just.
Speaker 2: It just breaks my heart that how he was he
Speaker 2: was sitting there. I could tell that it wasn't him
Speaker 2: because he did he wasn't really a sharp talk that.
Speaker 4: He right, right, you can tell by the voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and that was that part of
Speaker 2: we're going in. I said, oh, something is something is
Speaker 2: going on with it's something is something's wrong with him.
Speaker 4: Well it makes sense. I mean, you saw them as.
Speaker 2: He was my he was my big brother. I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: he was my big white brother in the wrestling business.
Speaker 2: And he's gold. He's gold. Now. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I had two brothers in the wrestling business that I loved,
Speaker 2: that I really really loved. And that was hung Kogan
Speaker 2: and that was Kamala that you gunn and Josh sure Hm.
Speaker 2: I didn't have no nobody. I didn't have nobody in
Speaker 2: the wrestling I could say, that's my brother, that's my cousin.
Speaker 2: I was all alone by myself when I went to
Speaker 2: when I get with the Vince McMahon, I was all alone.
Speaker 2: I didn't have nobody that I could trust. And I'm
Speaker 2: around all these big monsters. Everybody was a big monster.
Speaker 2: And this little bird Man got over.
Speaker 4: Damn ready did bird Man got.
Speaker 2: Over and I fnced back man bought the whole gimmick.
Speaker 4: Well you're still you're still over with us, bird Man.
Speaker 2: I got my hair, I good paint all over my
Speaker 2: face and everything, trying to be like Frankie. Now, Oh
Speaker 2: I kill you. Y'all gotta excuse me for a minute.
Speaker 2: Now now Franky Frankie's gold.
Speaker 4: Oh, Coco, we're sorry that this is you know where
Speaker 4: your head's at now, But we got to tell you
Speaker 4: we appreciate everything you did. We loved you for all
Speaker 4: the all the I want to reach you gave us
Speaker 4: as a rest.
Speaker 6: I want to tell you something, Coco, that when I
Speaker 6: was a kid, when I was a kid, and I
Speaker 6: one of the things that you So when I was,
Speaker 6: when I was a kid, when they came out with
Speaker 6: your Hasbro Action figure, the little one back in like
Speaker 6: I think it was like ninety two or ninety three
Speaker 6: or something like that. It was the it was the
Speaker 6: hardest figure to find, was your Action figure. And I like,
Speaker 6: I searched long and hard you were. You were one
Speaker 6: of the only ones that I couldn't find. And then
Speaker 6: the day I found it, it was like it was
Speaker 6: it was one. It was such an incredible like my
Speaker 6: heart was racing because I'd finally found your Action figure.
Speaker 4: And this is no joke.
Speaker 6: And and the when I was, when I was also a kid,
Speaker 6: I did something. I did stupid things with my Action figures,
Speaker 6: not knowing they would become collectibles and that I would
Speaker 6: I would paint them. I would paint over my wrestling
Speaker 6: Action figures, so like my Hogans and my Papa Shangos
Speaker 6: and my Sids and whatever. But because yours was so
Speaker 6: hard to find and yours was so special to me,
Speaker 6: I didn't touch it. I was like, I'm not touching Coco.
Speaker 6: Coco is not going to have a different colored outfit.
Speaker 6: I am keeping his figure absolute pristine. It was like that.
Speaker 6: It was that special. So you you mean a lot
Speaker 6: to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you all taking out time for me absolutely.
Speaker 4: Thanks for reflecting with us. Man, We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I just get to what becall. Of course,
Speaker 2: there was two guys. Yeah, I didn't have I just
Speaker 2: had just for brothers. Those two guys, you know, and
Speaker 2: they was real brothers. They just want to put on
Speaker 2: brothers for the rest of them. They were real brothers.
Speaker 4: Well listen, man, I'm glad that we we got a
Speaker 4: chance to, you know, give you a place to express
Speaker 4: that because I don't think people realize how important those
Speaker 4: guys were to you. And now here it is. And man,
Speaker 4: I got to tell you to let you go.
Speaker 7: We wish I want to say that, but I just
Speaker 7: wanted to, but you know we would it wouldn't be
Speaker 7: beefcake time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is all about hook time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We all lived it and we all loved it. So
Speaker 4: thanks for the part you played, and man, all the
Speaker 4: absolute best to you. Thank you so much for giving
Speaker 4: us all this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Thank you all.
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