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<v Speaker 1>It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carna,

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<v Speaker 1>c e O and JP sorrows.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a lapsed fan. In all my years and wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like rob Kick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the laps Fan Man number one in the ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Begin about Sosada with a real king of swing when

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<v Speaker 3>the bell goes hang and a kick like me throoming

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<v Speaker 3>in the corner with.

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<v Speaker 2>Its rash like stick.

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<v Speaker 3>Even Jerry King could say off the crown, nodding his

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<v Speaker 3>head like Steve low Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you get low down for me?

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<v Speaker 4>Go even high up?

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<v Speaker 2>Trip you on your head? But you no cool drivel?

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<v Speaker 3>You speaking monology and dragon slits fire if you more

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<v Speaker 3>shot than the edge retires dropping more truth than the

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<v Speaker 3>conn of sniper unless you would a coconut Roddy Piper

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<v Speaker 3>out Jack a JP you a j wat d drop

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<v Speaker 3>a cupcakes and got the brain Bob Beans The best

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<v Speaker 3>podcast from start the close File of Your Benefits a

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<v Speaker 3>plassic at.

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<v Speaker 4>Polls Well Boss. We've been charting Terry Boulder coming up

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<v Speaker 4>through Memphis, walking in Memphis with his KFA brother Ed Boulder,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's been it's been fascinating to see him get

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<v Speaker 4>in the ring with the likes of Jerry Lawler and

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<v Speaker 4>you know the Mongolian stomper Ron Bass, A ton of

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<v Speaker 4>guys in Memphis, footage of which survives. But we don't have, though,

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<v Speaker 4>is footage of how they improve their ring skills, that

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<v Speaker 4>is carry and ed Boulder, Right, how did they add

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<v Speaker 4>to what was still when you look at the tape

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<v Speaker 4>a pretty limited repertoire, as we talked about on the

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<v Speaker 4>Complete Hulk Hogan Ed Boulder slash Burtis Beefcake has talked

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<v Speaker 4>a bit about how important Future WW Superstar was in

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<v Speaker 4>seventy nine and Memphis to showing them the ropes quite

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<v Speaker 4>literally and how to get just that much better in

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<v Speaker 4>the ring. And that gentleman is none other than the Birdman,

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<v Speaker 4>Coco Beware. And here we're proud to say everybody get

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<v Speaker 4>up and everybody get down, because the Birdman is in

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<v Speaker 4>fact in town. Coco Beware, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 4>joining us here in the life. We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you are welcome?

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<v Speaker 4>Excellent?

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely welcome, excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is great, uh man, so much to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you about. So yeah, I've heard you talk in

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<v Speaker 4>other interviews, Coco about meeting Terry and Ed in seventy

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<v Speaker 4>nine in Memphis. But maybe you could just start there.

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<v Speaker 4>For our listeners who haven't heard you tell the story,

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<v Speaker 4>can you kind of revisit first meeting these two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, when I first met them, they came from Memphis, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he came out of Florida. I guess where

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<v Speaker 2>Terry was. I guess he. I don't know exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>he was born, but he he Someone saw him down

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida. Some of the wrestlers went to a to

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<v Speaker 2>a little band that Terry was in, and Terry was

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<v Speaker 2>playing and he was actually was playing bass guitar. What

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<v Speaker 2>they were telling me and the little bass guitar looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a little kid's his guitar, right, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>and then they then they invited, hey, man, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to get into wrestling business and stuff like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think a hero Mats Suita got him started

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<v Speaker 2>started working with him and stuff like that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>really for sure, but but uh, just bus and pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of Matt Suitor name was mentioned about he worked out

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<v Speaker 2>with Terry stuff. And then and I guess, uh, when

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<v Speaker 2>it was time for uh for them to move Terry

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<v Speaker 2>and Beefcake, they said, well, Memphis was kind of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the easy, easy territories there were really and uh, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just to get started on because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot of guys that came through there

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of guys that left and then they

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<v Speaker 2>came back and stuff like that. Memphis. Memphis was the hottest, hottest,

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<v Speaker 2>the place to go at one time. So after the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was uh, you know, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>called up Jarrett and said, hey, can you talk? And

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<v Speaker 2>I got it and uh and uh and Eddie, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know these guys here there, Hawk is really big.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like three hundred pounds and and so I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know. I didn't know either one of them and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So they came up to Memphis and

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<v Speaker 2>then I was and uh, I was just still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of working out with big guys and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And and uh so one night when they came in

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<v Speaker 2>as Terry Bouter and Eddie Bouter and uh, Jerry Lawler

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<v Speaker 2>was the booker at that time, and and he said, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all are working against these tag teams. Guys, I here,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all gonna y'all gonna work a match. And he said, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all I want y'all to do. I just want you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Terry. I just want you to throw the guy

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<v Speaker 2>in the rope, pick him up, give him a bar hug,

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<v Speaker 2>and slam him. I want you to do that ten times.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten times? Wow, yeah, ten times. And Eddie, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to uh slam the guy. I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>just slam him, to slam him ten times. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I want y'all to double pinum double pen these guys

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<v Speaker 2>one two, three. Well they did that. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>Terry came back in the dress room, he said, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe. I can't believe that's how That's how he

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<v Speaker 2>sounded like, I just can't believe. Man, I went out

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<v Speaker 2>there and all that stuff and I didn't even do nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I need to do none for the

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<v Speaker 2>people and all this stuff, man, I want. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do more. I wanted to do a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I wanted to have a match with a

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<v Speaker 2>guy and stuff. All this stuff. You know, I said

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<v Speaker 2>that was just suck. Man, that just sucked. And going

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<v Speaker 2>out there and shooting the guy and get him a

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<v Speaker 2>brother hug and drop him, pick him up, to do

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<v Speaker 2>that about ten times and baf cakes over and slamming

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<v Speaker 2>the guy about ten times and stuff like that. He said, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do more than that. Then that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I came in with these guys. I mean, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know him at all, and but I said, Terry, I

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<v Speaker 2>just saw the pretension of him. I just saw the

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<v Speaker 2>potential of mostly Terry because he was three hundred pounds. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he got he got you, he got your eye.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean big time. I mean like it was more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty two or twenty three pythons what he was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. And so I said, Terry, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what I could do. I said, I have a buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Dyesburg, Tennessee, just right out of Memphis, probably

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<v Speaker 2>about seventy five miles north of Memphis, Tennessee, on Highway

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one. And I said, he's got a ring set

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<v Speaker 2>up in his barn outside is in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>his house. I said, we can go there out you

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<v Speaker 2>and Eddie, we can we can all go work out,

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<v Speaker 2>go work out there, and I can show you some

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<v Speaker 2>some big man's stuff. Yeah, this is living truth. What

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying here, this this podcast here is is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be shocked because I'm not going to sit out

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<v Speaker 2>here and lie on the post.

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<v Speaker 4>No. No, if I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the truth about it, I'm just you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I just want everybody to really.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you know you said that who was the

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<v Speaker 4>buddy that had the ring? Coco? Was that a wrestler?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he was. He was an ex wrestler. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he was one of the Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>Fullers of course, Ron Ron and Robert Fuller? Yes, of

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<v Speaker 2>course it was his their granddad and their grandfather.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, their grandfather. So Buddy Fuller or.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, it was herb welch Welch's ring.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, cool, you had access to it, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>I see, yeah, I had, you know her. Let let

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<v Speaker 2>us come up there and and and and work out

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<v Speaker 2>with Hulk And I mean, what would idiot and Terry?

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<v Speaker 4>Then okay, that's great, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. So a Hulk wanted to Hug wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do a whole lot of stuff. He wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a drop kick, He wanted to do this, he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. And I'm going Terry, you don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to drop kick, I said, Now you

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<v Speaker 2>take it my role, right, I said, I'm the little

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<v Speaker 2>guy that does the drop kicks and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you're a big monster, I said, use your

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<v Speaker 2>monster ability. Well, what can I do to I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what. I'm gonna tell you what you

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<v Speaker 2>can do this how you're going to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>and and you eventually you can get really really good

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<v Speaker 2>at it. And I said, I want you to slam

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<v Speaker 2>the guy and then I want you to run and

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<v Speaker 2>run it and and and drop your leg on him

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<v Speaker 2>or pick the guy in, to pick the guy up,

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<v Speaker 2>or give him a clothes line.

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<v Speaker 5>And stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Because are you telling us? Are you telling us that

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<v Speaker 4>you gave Hulk the leg drop?

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<v Speaker 2>I told him this is what I told him he

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<v Speaker 2>could do. You know, I said, you could give the

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<v Speaker 2>guy a leg drop. You can give the guy a

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<v Speaker 2>clothesline and stuff like that, big as you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>you could give the guy splash.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and I said, Terry E the one you want

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<v Speaker 2>to either one you want to do and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, but as you go on, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have your timing down, which is which one

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be comfortable for you?

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<v Speaker 4>So did he do the leg drop right there in

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<v Speaker 4>the barn. Do you remember that or did he decide.

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<v Speaker 2>To do he did? He tried, he tried, he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to leg drop. He tried, he drived, tried to close

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<v Speaker 2>line and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so he did all can you tell me? Because

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<v Speaker 4>he I mean, he got up there, especially in the

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<v Speaker 4>very very beginning we were watching some of them, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing now doing the leg drop. He was a little

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<v Speaker 2>green about doing it because you know, he's he was

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<v Speaker 2>a guy. And and and and then he didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to really hurt nobody trying to do the leg drop.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I told him how to do it. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta being when you run, you gotta hold your

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<v Speaker 2>leg out, but you gotta bend it where the guy's neck. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he will, he will fit your your knee will fit

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<v Speaker 2>his neck.

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<v Speaker 4>Right like the back of you right the back of

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<v Speaker 4>your leg out right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, when you come down, I said that,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, And and he had to put it over

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<v Speaker 2>like you really really uh. And I said, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can pin somebody like that. I mean, that's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>a finishing move from you, guys, I mean from from

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<v Speaker 2>U hawk here. It is, Uh. You threw and you

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<v Speaker 2>give him a leg drop, and give your opponent a

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<v Speaker 2>leg drop. The guys shouldn't even get up no more.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, you know, I said, and then you can run,

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<v Speaker 2>You can run and give him a a elbow.

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<v Speaker 4>Elbows, Yep, we saw elbows, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And I said, it's all kind of choices

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<v Speaker 2>that you can do. That's a big man's stuff right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, another one we saw him. He grabbed the ropes

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<v Speaker 4>and he drives the knee down like six times in

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and but he he was more comfortable with the

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<v Speaker 2>with the leg drop.

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<v Speaker 4>I see, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And and uh and I said, after that, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get better. You gonna you're gonna feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you could give the guys a clothes line, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>making your comeback. You can give a guy you run

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<v Speaker 2>and give him a clothes line, knock him down, boom,

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<v Speaker 2>and then turn around and bag off the rope and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then run and then drop the leg on him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's so fascinating, Coco. I mean, I didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I knew he started doing the leg drop

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<v Speaker 4>in Memphis, or at least that's the earliest tape we

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<v Speaker 4>have of him doing anything really, but the leg drove

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<v Speaker 4>in particular. And I wonder did you get the idea

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<v Speaker 4>to suggest the leg drop to him because someone else

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<v Speaker 4>in the business, another big man, was using the leg drop.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember why you would have thought that was

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<v Speaker 4>a good fit for him?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just saw, I just saw, you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean my thing was totally different. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>could close line the guy or whatever, or my thing

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<v Speaker 2>was like drop kicking the guys of course, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so but for a big man, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would work better for him. Yeah, as a

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<v Speaker 2>big man. All big man's I mean, drop the leg,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do the splash and you know, close line somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Just part of me, part of what you thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a man, big man.

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<v Speaker 4>Still, that's that's so fascinating. So when he does it,

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<v Speaker 4>though in the matches we've seen in Memphis seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 4>he doesn't use it as a finish. He hits the

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<v Speaker 4>right JP ready hits the leg. And what does he do, like,

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<v Speaker 4>does goes for a cover or does he even go

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<v Speaker 4>for a cover? I'm trying to remember me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he goes through the pin one two.

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<v Speaker 6>Three, Sometimes yes, but but but sometimes he doesn't. He

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't use it exclusively as a finish, and sometimes he

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<v Speaker 6>does a weird leg drop where he he he what

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<v Speaker 6>was so so he goes, he goes, he comes off

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<v Speaker 6>the ropes, and it's a position where if you're doing

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<v Speaker 6>a traditional leg drop, you you'd lift your left leg,

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<v Speaker 6>but he always has his right leg, and so he

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<v Speaker 6>ends up putting his whole body on the guy, well.

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<v Speaker 4>Like his whole right like the back of his thigh

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<v Speaker 4>goes across the chest. Like he uses the opposite leg

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<v Speaker 4>then you would expect him to use years later.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not well, so he so he could easy

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<v Speaker 2>roll up, roll the opposite way and getting up I see, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or just and then cover the guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, very good. So do you remember him not using

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<v Speaker 4>it as a finish in the beginning, Because even in

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<v Speaker 4>WWF when he first went there in nineteen eighty in

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<v Speaker 4>late seventy nine for Vince Senior, he would do the

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<v Speaker 4>leg drop the middle of the match and just keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>It was. It wasn't the finish until he went baby

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<v Speaker 4>face and a w A, I don't think what.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. You know, I told him, say

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<v Speaker 2>you could use this. I didn't say that it could

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<v Speaker 2>be a finish, right, got it. I just told him

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<v Speaker 2>you could use this, and and uh and but if

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<v Speaker 2>it if if it looks if you do it so impressing,

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<v Speaker 2>that is that is that is something else work a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>A guy shouldn't even want to get up.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to get up. Now, you're right about that.

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<v Speaker 4>He went when he dialed that in and made that

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<v Speaker 4>his finish, man, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was because that's his finish. That's a good finishing move.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's wrong with the wrestling today. They're doing

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<v Speaker 2>incredible moves and they and they and they get a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of one two one two uh one two count

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<v Speaker 2>out of it and the guy kicks out on the

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<v Speaker 2>one hell will finishes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, we're talking about all the time, the values, the entire.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I can't understand. I can't understand why guys

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<v Speaker 2>using they're a finishing hold, knowing that if you use

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of hold out on the street, the guy's

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<v Speaker 2>not getting back up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So can you tell us Coco kind of based

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<v Speaker 4>on the other guys you knew in the business, where

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<v Speaker 4>was Terry at As far as I know, you said

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<v Speaker 4>he was green, and you can see he's green, but

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<v Speaker 4>he's not brand brand new. In fact, I'm not even

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<v Speaker 4>sure if you realize this, but he didn't come to

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<v Speaker 4>Memphis from Florida. He was in Florida in seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 4>He had about a dozen matches for Eddie Graham, and

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<v Speaker 4>then he took a year off of the business and

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<v Speaker 4>he went to Cocoa Beach, Florida with Eddie Boulder and

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<v Speaker 4>they worked in a nightclub there, slash bar called the

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<v Speaker 4>Anchor Club, and they opened a gym as well there

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<v Speaker 4>in Coco Beach. They took a year off. Seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 4>he gets back into the business, but before he goes

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<v Speaker 4>to Memphis, he wrestles for about four months or three

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<v Speaker 4>months for Ron Fuller in the Southeastern Territory Doth in

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<v Speaker 4>that whole loop down there. And in fact, he had

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<v Speaker 4>already wrestled Andre the Giant before he came to Memphis.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have tape of these matches. We do have

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<v Speaker 4>a tape of an angle he did at the Doth

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<v Speaker 4>and TV studios where he attacked Andrea during the arm

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<v Speaker 4>wrestling angle thing that they did, and Andre juiced for

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<v Speaker 4>him and everything. We found that whole footage came out

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<v Speaker 4>so long, so many years later, so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 4>people knew about it at the time. So do you

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<v Speaker 4>remember that him coming to you as someone who had

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<v Speaker 4>had some serious, high profile matches in Alabama or is

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<v Speaker 4>your memory he didn't do anything since Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he didn't say anything to me about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Got it okay about.

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<v Speaker 2>Eating the matches that he had because I didn't know him.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know him like that. See, when they came

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<v Speaker 2>into Memphis, they they was kind of like green greenhole.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, it looked to you like he couldn't do anything, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, could he what could he do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I mean when Lawler had him out there, just

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<v Speaker 2>say hey, this is this is all I want y'all

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And that's what a hulk got up said about.

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<v Speaker 4>When when you got him in the barn, could he

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<v Speaker 4>do more than you expected? Or was he actually really

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<v Speaker 4>that limited?

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<v Speaker 2>And Lawla was, well, when we got him in the barn,

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<v Speaker 2>when I got him in the barn, this this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I was I was telling him, Terry, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we do. You need to do the big man

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and and that, and that's what I was giving him.

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<v Speaker 2>The big man stuff like like he would Andrea Giant.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea Giants not gonna go up here and kick uh

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<v Speaker 2>uh do a drop kick on Coco be ware you used, said,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea Giants gonna he's gonna give him a choke. He

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<v Speaker 2>gonna pick him up and slam him, slam into the mat.

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<v Speaker 2>Or he can drop a leg if Andrea Giant, if

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<v Speaker 2>he's dropped the leg on you, or he he splashed you.

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<v Speaker 2>You and you know what that should be?

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<v Speaker 4>The finish should be the finish great. So did he

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<v Speaker 4>do many sessions with you at the barn or was

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<v Speaker 4>it just one?

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<v Speaker 2>We did? We get baby, little couple and uh and

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<v Speaker 2>and and I said, this is all you need, yep, Terry,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all you need to do. And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you keep doing this down the down the years,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you're gonna you're gonna get polished. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna make you really get polished and get

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<v Speaker 2>good at it. Then you can be able to strut

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<v Speaker 2>your stuff and do whatever how you want to do

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<v Speaker 2>it and stuff like that. I said, all this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come to you. Did I said, well, but right

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<v Speaker 2>now you need you need to learn how to do

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<v Speaker 2>that clothesline. You needed, you need to drop the leg,

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<v Speaker 2>You need to do the splash, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do the splash. I said, that's that's something to you

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<v Speaker 2>on that you just you just take that however you

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<v Speaker 2>want to take. You do it the way you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, just quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>How is Eddie? Was he even greener than Terry? Because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not even sure Eddie had done much wrestling?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah he would, Yeah, he hadn't done too much anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie hasn't He wouldn't done. And I was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of working. I said, what you Eddie? Now you could

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<v Speaker 2>at your side, you could drop kick the guys and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. I said, now, you're not as big

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<v Speaker 2>as Hulk, right, you know? And I was just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't really concentrate on Eddie too much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so it's more it's more about focusing on Terry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because you know, when Terry walked down the street

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<v Speaker 2>and if everybody don't pull over side the road, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's something wrong. He said, wait a minute, who was

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<v Speaker 2>this big guy here? Man? God that we don't just

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<v Speaker 2>so see guys like it every day walking around.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the origin story is that one full and Louis

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<v Speaker 4>Tillette was looking for him, saw this guy that had

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he worked a bit in seventy seven. The

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<v Speaker 4>Briscoes knew him, the Graham's new him, Bob rup knew him,

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of some other guys, and it's like this

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<v Speaker 4>guy is just it's just massive and he turns heads.

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<v Speaker 4>And Louis Toilette, I think, gets some of the credit

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<v Speaker 4>for being the first guy to say like, no, like,

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<v Speaker 4>even though you're green as as can be, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>something we absolutely can make money with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just I just I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>let everybody to know I just started him out. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know nothing about him at all when he came.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he came to Memphis, he was writing my

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<v Speaker 2>territory and he needed I knew he needed help or

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<v Speaker 2>they needed help, and I was willing to give. I

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<v Speaker 2>gave them what I thought, what I thought what a

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<v Speaker 2>big man should have.

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<v Speaker 4>That's great.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's wanted to asked one thing before, like please

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<v Speaker 6>so way wait, I mean, I'm sorry to go back

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<v Speaker 6>this far, but you talked about how he uh when

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<v Speaker 6>he first came in, how how people were we were

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<v Speaker 6>pinning him left and right right? Is that what you

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<v Speaker 6>said when he first came in, like people like they

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<v Speaker 6>had to go out there, and you said he wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to do more? I mean did.

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 6>How did how did that pinning him like that many times?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean did it?

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<v Speaker 6>Did it kind of? Did he kind of get to

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<v Speaker 6>get to his confidence? Did he feel a little like

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<v Speaker 6>freaked out the fact that.

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<v Speaker 2>He can him? He did? He didn't want to, He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do that him. This was the finish

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<v Speaker 2>were him and law I mean that beefcake and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying beefcake. They just told him to go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and and slam the guy. Yeah, and he slammed the

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<v Speaker 2>guy ten times. Hulk shoot the guy in for a

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<v Speaker 2>barrel hub for ten times and drops and then at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it, y'all, y'all do a double pin

423
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.799
<v Speaker 2>on these guys and beat him one, two, three and

424
00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the ring. So they would there.

425
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:02.640
<v Speaker 4>I got you wouldn't take that, they would get the pin.

426
00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:03.240
<v Speaker 4>I got you.

427
00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.000
<v Speaker 6>I wasn't sure that sounded like it was the other

428
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.839
<v Speaker 6>way around, but now I get it. Thank you for clarity, Coco,

429
00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.440
<v Speaker 6>that Terry was maybe did you think part of it

430
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.759
<v Speaker 6>was Terry was concerned that they weren't letting him do

431
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:17.759
<v Speaker 6>more like that that by telling him just to do

432
00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.079
<v Speaker 6>these basic moves, they were purposely kind of holding him down.

433
00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:24.960
<v Speaker 2>You know. No, no, they thought they knew they was

434
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:29.440
<v Speaker 2>he was green from from the story with Ady Graham

435
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.400
<v Speaker 2>right told told Jerry Jared.

436
00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 4>And that was what he had to go on. So

437
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.200
<v Speaker 4>that's great, So so we go on.

438
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.319
<v Speaker 2>So so they they was trying to say, well, we're

439
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.839
<v Speaker 2>going to start to these guys slow and see see

440
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:46.599
<v Speaker 2>what they can do.

441
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.160
<v Speaker 4>When we went back and looked at it. He first

442
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.480
<v Speaker 4>came in in May seventy nine to Memphis and he

443
00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.599
<v Speaker 4>did a couple of matches kind of like at first

444
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.920
<v Speaker 4>as a mystery partner for Jerry Lawler as the Hulk.

445
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 4>He had already, like we had talked about, made a

446
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 4>bit of an impact down in South eastern from Ron Fuller.

447
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 4>So it was known that he was, you know, an entity.

448
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:07.319
<v Speaker 4>Were you surprised that the day one he came in

449
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 4>he was associated with the top guy Jerry Lawler.

450
00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wouldn't. I was already surprised because I thought

451
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.680
<v Speaker 2>he was good. He was he he was out of

452
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 2>this world, that he could work I mean he was.

453
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was like Andre to Jihant. He wasn't

454
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the best worker. Yeah, he wasn't the best worker, but

455
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>what Andre could do, he was good at it.

456
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 4>Do you do you think that Jerry uh might have

457
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:41.960
<v Speaker 4>gotten I don't know a little concern that Hulk got

458
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:43.559
<v Speaker 4>too over as a baby face and might have been

459
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.359
<v Speaker 4>cutting in on that spot as time went.

460
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't really. At that time, Lawler didn't have

461
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't have nothing to worry about on that on that end,

462
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:59.400
<v Speaker 2>because he was he was still green. Yeah, you know,

463
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>he was still green, and he just he did he

464
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>just didn't have it. He just didn't have it together

465
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like when he when he got when he when he

466
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>went to New York, that's when he did. He that's

467
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>when he had his hisself together.

468
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 4>One more question about training him, and then we'll move

469
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.880
<v Speaker 4>on to some other parts of you know, hanging out

470
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.039
<v Speaker 4>with them and stuff in Memphis? Did Hulk Did you

471
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.559
<v Speaker 4>have to work with Hulk on kicking out? Like, was

472
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 4>him kicking out of pinfall something he really was interested

473
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 4>in getting better at.

474
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't have to do that at all, because

475
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you know they're right there. It was this kind of

476
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 2>simple simple thing to do. Yeah, you know, I mean

477
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I was I was just trying to help him to

478
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>do the big man stuff.

479
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 4>The big man stuff, because what he tells the story

480
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 4>about hearing Matsuda, you know, it's like I got my

481
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.079
<v Speaker 4>leg broken and they were doing the initiation thing and

482
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:53.839
<v Speaker 4>it was like kind of kind of a rough thing

483
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:55.920
<v Speaker 4>for him, and he was kind of paranoid, you know,

484
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.359
<v Speaker 4>the way he told it over the years that like

485
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 4>people would try to take advantage.

486
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Of I don't know, I don't think he I don't

487
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>really think he broke his leg or whatever because he

488
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>was moving too much when he came to Memphis. If

489
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you break your leg once, I mean you're not going

490
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to be really really going out there for straw, right,

491
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, just going out there. And I really because

492
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>he didn't didn't. He never did say to me about

493
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.839
<v Speaker 2>that he broke his leg and whatever and stuff like that,

494
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, but it was it was, uh, I mean,

495
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.720
<v Speaker 2>they were they was good. Like I say, they were,

496
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>they were good. I mean, after I learned him from

497
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>They was green when they came in, and then they

498
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>stayed around for a little while and then they left.

499
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>They went to verning Ganya, and then I didn't see

500
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 2>him no more till nineteen eighty six when I got

501
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.240
<v Speaker 2>when I got, uh, Evince wanted got accepted it in

502
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the w w L.

503
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 4>That's great and we're gonna definitely get there. But before

504
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 4>we go that far ahead. You also, it sounds like

505
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.440
<v Speaker 4>you just helped them train that a couple of times

506
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 4>in the barn. You traveled with them. You you you

507
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.160
<v Speaker 4>were in the towns with them. Tell us all about

508
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 4>what it was like traveling with Terry and Ed Boulder

509
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 4>before they were superstars.

510
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, we had a big green Lincoln. I mean Terry

511
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>had a big green He had a big green Lincoln

512
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. And Terry, I mean Hawk would

513
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 2>drive and and Beefcake was that he would be on

514
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the other side and I'll be in the back seat,

515
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and I just I just loved it. Here's these big

516
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>two munsters back here. I'm back there just talking, you know,

517
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like man. And we would go to these towns,

518
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, back and forth, and stuff like that,

519
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, because that's when Memphis was kind of hot,

520
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you know. But Terry would They didn't have him as

521
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.799
<v Speaker 2>a main event or whatever at the time. You know,

522
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>they just didn't have they didn't have him. He had

523
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>a match, he had a match with and and the

524
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>match didn't go along. You know, if he had a

525
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 2>match in Memphis and we go to Louisville, we go

526
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 2>to we go to Evansville, Indiana, where we might go Lexington,

527
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky and stuff like that. I mean, you know, then

528
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll drive all the way back across back down to

529
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Memphis getting ready for TV and stuff like that. You know.

530
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So I mean that was that was That was it,

531
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know that's where and that's where they the

532
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>guys could get really polished because we was out there

533
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 2>every every night. Every night. We start off in Memphis,

534
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>then we go to Louisville on Tuesday. Then we go

535
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to Evansville on a Wednesday, and then if there's that

536
00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 2>month rose around, there's Lexington, Kentucky up arena and we'll

537
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 2>work there and stuff, and then we'll come on back

538
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 2>down to uh uh it's uh, I can't even think

539
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 2>of the name, little Mississippi town, Tupelo, Mississippi. And then

540
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>we'd go to Jonesboro, Arkansas, or we'll go to uh

541
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Nashville on a Saturday night.

542
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 4>Where were they?

543
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 2>And that was the that was the territory.

544
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 4>That's that's great. So I can picture the geographic area

545
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.200
<v Speaker 4>where were they. Were they living in like a hotel

546
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:29.640
<v Speaker 4>like a Day's In or something, or did they have

547
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 4>an apartment.

548
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>You know what? Uh, I think they had they had

549
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 2>some kind of a partner. Now now they had a

550
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 2>hotel like the Day's Inn or something, you know, and

551
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and we will get a hotel, I mean, get the

552
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>hotel every night.

553
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 4>I see, so just call the hotel the hotel. Yeah right, yeah,

554
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 4>So you're in that car, and what kind of stuff

555
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 4>are they talking about him? And I know they were

556
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 4>eating like crazy, they were probably smoking like crazy, they

557
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 4>were hanging out with women crazy.

558
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean. The thing though, it is I had a

559
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>great time with them and stuff like that. And uh,

560
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 2>it was just it was just I never see him.

561
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I never did see him date any girls or anything

562
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 2>like that. Now, I didn't never even see that much.

563
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, got it.

564
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, because I wasn't around them. When I when

565
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.559
<v Speaker 2>it's time for me to go to my hotel, I

566
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.279
<v Speaker 2>go to my room and stuff like that, and and

567
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I just I just I did my thing on you know.

568
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>The next morning, we get up and we go to

569
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 2>go to the gym and go get something to eat,

570
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>go to the gym. And I worked out with him,

571
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I worked out with them. With them,

572
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.119
<v Speaker 2>it was it was good. I mean, I mean it

573
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>was good. It was really good that I worked out.

574
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean I felt I felt good. And and and

575
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Hug learned me some things, and and and Eddie learned

576
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>me some things about working out and all that stuff.

577
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, we we it was just it

578
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>came out where it was just like brothers was together.

579
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 2>That's how how that's how their relationship came turned out

580
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 2>to be like brothers.

581
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.920
<v Speaker 4>So how would that work out? Regimen? They always talk

582
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 4>about it. Eddie did a book and he talked about it.

583
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 4>They would eat a lot, right and they would be

584
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 4>tell us about how they kept their diet, their diet

585
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 4>on the road.

586
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just we died in the car. And then

587
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 2>when we when we when it's time we have a

588
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 2>match and stuff like that. And then Huk Hulk will say, hey,

589
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're gon We're gonna go to the roast

590
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>store and that's when they pig out.

591
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Okay, what are we talking? What's on the menu? Yeah,

592
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 4>we need to know what what what would they What

593
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 4>would they get?

594
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they would get all kind of bananas, apples, oranges

595
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and milk and stuff and you know, just a lot

596
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>of protein drinks and just just a little favorite thing.

597
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 6>What was it? What was like a favorite place you

598
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 6>guys would go eat? Would you ever eat? Would you

599
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 6>ever eat with them? Would I go out to eat?

600
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 6>Like go to a bar or go to like, I

601
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:19.240
<v Speaker 6>don't know, any restaurant like anything like that.

602
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean we we went to, uh, I guess a steakhouse.

603
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, places like that were like a long horn

604
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I mean we we just that's

605
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>when the people didn't even realize because when everybody walked in,

606
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean when we walked in, then nobody kind of realize.

607
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Howk until he really got big on the Rocky movie.

608
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.079
<v Speaker 4>I see m So he was big and wrestling, but

609
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 4>when you went out in public in general, he had

610
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 4>some privacy people.

611
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that bad. I mean, it wasn't that bad.

612
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean even with Jared Lawler, yes, they would know

613
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 2>him and stuff like that, but just just force him,

614
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 2>just just saying, hey, that's oh my god, Hulk is

615
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.559
<v Speaker 2>in there, you know, and just like I mean, you

616
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 2>know when when he left, when he left the Rocky

617
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 2>movie and stuff like, he got over real big.

618
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 4>Of course he didn't. You mentioned the green Lincoln that

619
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.720
<v Speaker 4>they had. They've talked about that over the years. Eddie's

620
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 4>talked about it, others have talked about it. Ron Bass

621
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 4>tells the story about how Hulk used to make fun

622
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 4>of Ron's little dog, and so Ron to get him

623
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 4>back one time smashed into the side of his Lincoln

624
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 4>and and then Terry got out all pissed off, and

625
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 4>then Ron pulled a pulled a gun on him to

626
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 4>freak him out before he realized it.

627
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Was I don't know now, I don't know nothing about that.

628
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Come on, I wasn't no.

629
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't there, Okay, I was hoping you were in

630
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 4>the back seat, not that you get hurt.

631
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, I wasn't there all the time

632
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 2>with those guys. It was just it was where where

633
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>when I was with him those guys, it was just

634
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>strictly business. We own the road and stuff like that.

635
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.839
<v Speaker 2>And they the one wanted me to go with them, right,

636
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 2>they wanted me to go with them and stuff like that.

637
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And and I guess it's just being nice hunk with

638
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>just being nice is saying, hey, you know, man, I

639
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you. The only one down here just really cure

640
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 2>anything about us, you know, and we just like for

641
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you to tag alone and stuff like that. You know.

642
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Yep, got it? Okay, that's clear. Yeah, because Eddie tells

643
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.599
<v Speaker 4>a story in his book about Sherry and how they

644
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 4>met Sherry in a club down there before she was

645
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 4>even in the business. Do you remember Sherry being around

646
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 4>Memphis before she was even wrestling.

647
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about Sherry.

648
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Get sensational, Sherry, Sherry Martel.

649
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I knew Sherry Martell. Yes, I knew her, but

650
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 2>you know I knew her what she got into business?

651
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I got it. Yes. Now, now I think I think

652
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Jake to Snake will I think he was going with

653
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>her one time. Yep. I don't know, you know what

654
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I don't know the whole history about Sherry.

655
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 4>No, no, Yeah, I just wondered. It just seemed like

656
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 4>Eddie was telling the story as if they met her

657
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 4>when they were in Memphis before you know, she was

658
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 4>dancing at a club, and she she knew the business,

659
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Speaker 4>she loved the business. But I just thought it was

660
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 4>fascinating that they knew her before she was in wrestling.

661
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I always thought that they would have met there.

662
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But right that was, I don't know, I don't know

663
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 2>anything about that, you know what I'm saying. But I

664
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.360
<v Speaker 2>just knew. I just knew. Uh Man, when we when

665
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we load up, we'll drive and we we'll stop and eat,

666
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 2>and we'll stop and eat, stop and eat just a

667
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 2>little risk. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean there were those guys.

668
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>And then then when we drive all the way back,

669
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 2>we're running to a place called Kroger Park, I mean

670
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 2>grocery store and stuff like that. And we and we

671
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>get groceries in there, and and we were going down

672
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the highway and man, Dolly headed back to Memphis. You

673
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>know that's but I want to say this too, And

674
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I know it. I know this. You're probably gonna come up.

675
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're gonna ask me this. I want to

676
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 2>say this, and I mean this from my heart. There

677
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>was no racial mark said in my present ye with

678
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Hunk and Beefcake. They never did use the word nigger

679
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>at all. I don't know where they came from. And

680
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I travel with those guys the whole time down here,

681
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and it really bothered me when that when it came

682
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>out that somebody want a suit hery and all this stuff.

683
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>It bothered me because it wasn't true in my world.

684
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, unless cherry doesn't change, that didn't even mention.

685
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they treated me like I was their brother.

686
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 4>Awesome. I'm glad. I want to run it up because.

687
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I just want the world to know that that I

688
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>don't care what they say. They did not say anything

689
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 2>about that. Okay, Now I don't know, you know, they

690
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 2>said Brooke, I mean, is his daughter was dating this

691
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>this black dude whatever, And that's when they came it

692
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>came up. Well, I don't, I don't know, I don't.

693
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 2>All of this was way before all that, when his

694
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.639
<v Speaker 2>daughter started dating. Yeah, I'm talking about me and a

695
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Hawk and and and be for we were I mean,

696
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>we was brothers. And it wasn't no nigger jokes anything.

697
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Ain't like that. He was just brothers.

698
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 4>And let me ask you, Coco, I bet you kind

699
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.559
<v Speaker 4>of heard a lot of jokes like I bet there

700
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 4>are some people, not I'm not to ask you to

701
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 4>name them, but there are some people that definitely would

702
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.280
<v Speaker 4>make you uncomfortable in that way, right, And they weren't

703
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 4>two of.

704
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Them, you know, what. That didn't bother me. That's the

705
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 2>thing about it. See if I let that bother me,

706
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>because I already know there's somebody's going to say something

707
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 2>about some some black person already and they're going to

708
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 2>use that word. Well, let's turn the let's turn the

709
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>whole tables around. When I get when we get mad,

710
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 2>when black folk getting mad? Would another black person, what

711
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>do you think they call them?

712
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.119
<v Speaker 5>I'm so old, I'm not going to say it well

713
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 5>saying you know what they're gonna say.

714
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Sure, sure, yeah, So that's.

715
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>That's how it is. I mean, so why should I

716
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>get I mean, why should another black person will get mad?

717
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 2>If they if they was joking around or or they

718
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.840
<v Speaker 2>just came out and said that, now they came out

719
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and then what they were saying, they're serious about it.

720
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Then you know what, then I then I got the

721
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>right to say something to them in return. So but

722
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>other than that, you know, that's that's the only time.

723
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what that's the difference of it. You know, why

724
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 2>get why get upset? Well? I know why they get

725
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 2>upset because everybody looks up on hu Kogan was a

726
00:39:53.400 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 2>he was memorial brother. I mean, I'll come what I'm

727
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to say, you know.

728
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well yeah he was held up on a pedestal. Yeah,

729
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 4>but that's right. I'm glad you brought it up. I

730
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 4>mean we weren't we definitely.

731
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 2>And you did. And you know he wasn't gonna you know,

732
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 2>you don't say those things. It's okay for everybody else

733
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>tonna say that, but certain people were you out here

734
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>in this entertaining world. You gotta watch what you say. Yeah,

735
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and I don't And you know what and if he

736
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and if he said it, if he said it, and

737
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 2>but I know he was saying it. Probably he was

738
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>upset with his daughter.

739
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that's the context. You're right. Yeah, it was on.

740
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 4>He was being recorded. He didn't know it. He was

741
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 4>talking to the he was talking to the radio host wife,

742
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 4>and he was on because they were investigating if he

743
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 4>was being extorted for the sex tape. And he said it. Yeah,

744
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 4>he was talking about.

745
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>See that's why I see see true body with me now,

746
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you with me and I and and

747
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.679
<v Speaker 2>that's where he was green that I believe. Okay, see

748
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that we when you when you're doing podcasts, when you're

749
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>doing radio, when you're doing TV, you got to watch

750
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 2>what you say.

751
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Well he didn't know. Yeah, but he didn't know he

752
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 4>was being recorded for.

753
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 2>He was green. The reason why he didn't know because

754
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>he never was taught. And see, I wasn't around. I

755
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:28.159
<v Speaker 2>wasn't around hunk that longed to say, hey, huok, you

756
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 2>only talk about certain things and you can't swear. See

757
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the first thing they learned us in mental sendency.

758
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Hey do not swear on TV? Yeah, and we swear

759
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.559
<v Speaker 2>it on TV. We had we had a a person

760
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that work work with with the TV station. They wouldn't

761
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>give us no interview time.

762
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, that would be harmful to your career. Well, well, Memphis.

763
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 4>You know a question I didn't have about the circuit

764
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 4>is you know it didn't have the reputation. I don't

765
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.559
<v Speaker 4>know by the time Jerry took over from Nick glasson Improved,

766
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 4>but he didn't have the reputation of paying the best right.

767
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.880
<v Speaker 4>A lot of guys were frustrated with their pay in Memphis.

768
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 4>But then I pictured, you know, Hulk being on the

769
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 4>road with the Continental and and go in to the

770
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 4>grocery store three times a day. You know, I want

771
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 4>to get your sense. I mean, I mean by the

772
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.159
<v Speaker 4>time they buy all those groceries and all that gas,

773
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 4>do they have much money left over? What was that like?

774
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the same way everybody. Then you have to

775
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:29.800
<v Speaker 2>work with lawlor to make big money, okay. And then

776
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and then and then when we're saying about big money,

777
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at you might make a thousand dollars And

778
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see these guys checks right right, and stuff

779
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, even when when uh uh was

780
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>his name Rocky uh was his name Rocky Dwayne Johnson,

781
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne Johnson, when he before he became used his real name.

782
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 2>He came in in the myphics as well.

783
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's flex cavana right right right.

784
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 2>And he would and you know what, you could buy

785
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>him for twenty five dollars and he and I'm gonna

786
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 2>tell you right now. And I never and I'm the

787
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>one that him try to help him in the rest

788
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>of the business because I can't. I can't say this

789
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>on a tape. I can't say what I want to

790
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>say on tape because I don't want to hurt Rocky.

791
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hurt Dwayne or whatever. It wasn't

792
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing really bad, but it was bad. He's an Lapsed Fan.

793
00:43:49.280 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling podcast with Jack for A SEO and Jpi Soros

794
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.

795
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Rocket was sitting. Dwayne came into Memphis and they wasn't

796
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 2>doing nothing what he was he was never starting. Let

797
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>me start back. Hold on Miami University. He played football there, right.

798
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>They tried to get him in the NFL. That didn't work.

799
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Then he had to turn to wrestling, so he went

800
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess he went to WWE and then l and

801
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>then finally they they sent him down to Memphis where Okay,

802
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>he came into Memphis and they was paying him twenty

803
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 2>five thirty dollars a night. I mean, this is that

804
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was he didn't have no way, he didn't have I'm

805
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 2>talking about poor.

806
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 4>Seven dollars in his pocket or something like that.

807
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know whatever, it's seven dollars.

808
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 2>And he had downtown Bruno and he will stay at

809
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>his place, and you know what, And he wasn't the

810
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>only place he stayed at. He had other guy that

811
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:16.199
<v Speaker 2>was hip was hlping him out too. But one day,

812
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 2>one night we had a show and he was stressed

813
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>out on the couch. And but I've been knowing y'all

814
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>know his nickname. Uh, do y'all know Dwayne Johnson Dewey.

815
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>There we go. Dewey used surrived with me and his dad,

816
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>different places to the shows and stuff like that. That

817
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, but that that was that, But that's when

818
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 2>he was young. But now the Miami, Now I'm back

819
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>on the right track now.

820
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.280
<v Speaker 5>He was.

821
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>He was stressed out on the couch and said, you

822
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.760
<v Speaker 2>know what, Coke, you know what? Uh, we was all

823
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.679
<v Speaker 2>just talking. He said, Man, I don't know if he

824
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>mentioned my name or not. He said, man, I don't know.

825
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I'm gonna do here. Man, I'm

826
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 2>not making no money. And Jerry Lawlingen was beating him

827
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.800
<v Speaker 2>every night, and uh, and the kid was still over

828
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 2>with the crowd. The young girl was going. They were

829
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 2>screaming because he was he was a good looking man.

830
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

831
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>And he said and uh, and I said do it.

832
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, man, you go to w W E,

833
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean F. I said, you go to w w F.

834
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I want you to go up there, man, because I

835
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.679
<v Speaker 2>just left him up there. I said, I want you

836
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to go up there. And I want you to keep

837
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 2>your mouth shut and don't say nothing. Oh lord, Coco

838
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry about this. Uh My dad

839
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 2>already burned all kinds of bridges up there. I said,

840
00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what your dad had done, right, I said,

841
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I want you to go up there and make some

842
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>money and keep your mouth shut. I said, because they

843
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.519
<v Speaker 2>might do something with you, because they done tried. This.

844
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Senior already was trying to put the belt on Tony

845
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Allats and a few more black guys up there, and

846
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.400
<v Speaker 2>said they wanted a black champion, but they all been

847
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 2>messing up. He said, they all been messing up, but

848
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, and he said, but you you go up there,

849
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and said, man, you're a good looking person. You say,

850
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 2>you're all these people, these girls down here going crazy

851
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 2>over you. I said, you go there, keep your mouth shut.

852
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 2>They might do something with you. And said he said, well, okay,

853
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I go out, And so he went on up there.

854
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, they're gonna, yes, they're gonna beat you. They're

855
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna beat you. They want us seem you can you

856
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>can handle what they're gonna do to you. I said,

857
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna get over on Steve on on Stone

858
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 2>on Stove Stone cold, Steve Wauston. I said, it's gonna

859
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>be a lack of tie. Said, they're gonna put you over.

860
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna put They're gonna they're gonna put Steve, Steve

861
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Awson over. You're gonna lose. They're gonna put Steve Awson over.

862
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna lose your match. But the crowd is loving

863
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you because you got something. When you get the eyebrow,

864
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I think right with your eyes.

865
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, they were off to the races. I mean,

866
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 4>that's that's amazing. I didn't realize that you were also

867
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 4>there when Rocky was having questions about you know, how

868
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 4>much further he was gonna.

869
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Go, yeah, and you know and so and that's what

870
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I just told him. And he was in the dress room.

871
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Can you smell what memph was this cooking?

872
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 4>Cooking? It's gotta be ribs and good stuff.

873
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I mean all stuff like that, and uh,

874
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 2>it didn't hit home until he got up there. Can

875
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 2>you smell what the rock is cooking?

876
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 4>Amazing?

877
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.519
<v Speaker 6>Did did you have when you when you when you

878
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 6>were watching him down in Memphis? Do you have any

879
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.960
<v Speaker 6>inkling that he would I mean, not necessarily this particular match,

880
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 6>but did you I guess by the time two thousand

881
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.239
<v Speaker 6>and two rolled around. Were you surprised at all that

882
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 6>that the Rock would made event WRESTLEMANI with Hulk Hogan.

883
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I was

884
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 2>a because I knew it was going to happen.

885
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 6>Did you know about then though, when he was in Memphis?

886
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 6>Did you like have that inkling like you know, someday

887
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 6>he's going to be like you know.

888
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.519
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I didn't call I didn't call a

889
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>shot like that. I called a shot when he when

890
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 2>he got when he got Poplar and all this stuff. Yeah,

891
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and then he's and then that's what let me tell

892
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 2>you number See, this is another this is another part

893
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>that the people people don't realize. Let me tell you, Yeah, Dwayne,

894
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 2>he didn't make it really really big in the wrestling business.

895
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Watching now, I was gonna say he didn't holdly, he

896
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't make it. He didn't make it big in the

897
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:38.679
<v Speaker 2>wrestling business. He made it big in the movies. And

898
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 2>then he came back to the wrestling business.

899
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:43.800
<v Speaker 4>Yes, he did.

900
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>You see what I'm saying. So even when he the

901
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 2>rest of the the movie got him over as Dwayne Johnson.

902
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.079
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, yeah, Well.

903
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 2>But he but he did, but he did not get

904
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 2>over just starting out as as uh, Dwayne, Dwayne Johnson

905
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>whatever in the rat Johnson.

906
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's good stuff.

907
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Man.

908
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even realize that part of it, But that

909
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:12.920
<v Speaker 4>came up because we were talking to you about, you know,

910
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 4>the Memphis pay Days and stuff, and I wanted to

911
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 4>ask you, do you remember how Jerry Jarrett and Jerry

912
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Lawler kind of felt about Hulk. I mean you already

913
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 4>talked a little bit about how you know, Lawler thought

914
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.599
<v Speaker 4>he was green, but at the same time he was

915
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 4>working with him, he was putting them in main events,

916
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 4>he was rest you know, he was staring next to him,

917
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 4>six man tags with him and stuff.

918
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Well you know that's that's that's how it works. If

919
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 2>you can't beat them, you gott to join them.

920
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:39.679
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

921
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>So they knew that Hunk was was a big guy,

922
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean the big strong guy and stuff like that.

923
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, unbelievable. Where the people do people were kind

924
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of they loved him and stuff like that. But the

925
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 2>thing about it, they just they just had room. They

926
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>had room for him, but they didn't. But it came

927
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 2>down when if the Jerry Lawler would would would take

928
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:17.840
<v Speaker 2>all the wins, right, Munk would Hug would go in

929
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.719
<v Speaker 2>there and he'll make the comeback and stuff like that,

930
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and and Tag and Tag Lawler and Lawla come in

931
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.599
<v Speaker 2>and do his finishing move Boom one two three, you

932
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 2>get the pen. I see what you mean, you know, so,

933
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's how, that's how that, that's how Lawla

934
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 2>worked in the getting over and stuff like that. And

935
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>he had to go last every night. Hey the King,

936
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I will say, he did the king job real well.

937
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 2>And I love Jerry Lawler and stuff like that. My

938
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 2>my prayers goes out to him, uh for having the

939
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>strokes and all that stuff. And I talked to I

940
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 2>talked to Jerry all the time and stuff like that.

941
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.239
<v Speaker 2>He was my idol. He was one of my idols

942
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>getting into wrest him in this.

943
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 4>I bet what a huge presence he was. Do you

944
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.880
<v Speaker 4>think that Jerry Jarrett saw Hulk as a big attraction

945
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 4>or do you think it was just somebody that he

946
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 4>wanted to use just for a little while.

947
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 2>No, he saw him as a big he saw me.

948
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 2>He see, he was just too green for for Jerry too.

949
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 2>He will try to push him, I see, like you know,

950
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 2>but when he got when he went to vron Gunya.

951
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 2>When they went there, that's when that's when he was

952
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 2>started getting polished. And then varn Gun try to try

953
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:49.639
<v Speaker 2>to steal Hulk from Vince. Vince was going to to

954
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.079
<v Speaker 2>vron Gun and take it Hulk.

955
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember when Hulk was in Memphis with you

956
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 4>that they would promote him as like basically for like

957
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 4>if you came to the arena, you would see the Hulk.

958
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 4>They would play it up like that.

959
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've seen all that, but it's still it didn't

960
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 2>stop the Hulk though. He didn't stop his Yeah, I'm

961
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>just saying it just because he was already when they

962
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>when the people saw the size, they gave him. They

963
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 2>the people gave him that title the Hulk.

964
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 4>The people did.

965
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm saying, no, he was. They changed it

966
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.519
<v Speaker 2>to Hunk. Yeah, but the people. But what I'm saying,

967
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.239
<v Speaker 2>but the people loved the Hunk because he was like

968
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the incredible Hulk.

969
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 4>In what way. I mean it's obvious, but I'd love

970
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 4>to hear you well.

971
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying. In that way he was built. He

972
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he this guy here, I mean, Hunk was

973
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 2>he he had he had muscles on his neck and everything.

974
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I told you, when I met him, he was

975
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.760
<v Speaker 2>three hundred pounds and he had more than than twenty

976
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 2>two inch biceps.

977
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 4>Wow, when you were in there with him? Was Robert

978
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Fuller booking?

979
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>No, Robert, Robert Fuller wasn't booking mythals at that time.

980
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Robert never had their own Florida thyme Pensacola.

981
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, it was. I've heard Ron talk about it

982
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 4>because Ron has a podcast and he said that in

983
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 4>seventy nine, Robert, his brother, was booking for Jerry Jarrett

984
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Speaker 4>in Memphis, and.

985
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>You might have you know what I'm saying, I'm you know,

986
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I might have been gone. I don't know.

987
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, That's all I was asking is if you remember

988
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 4>Robert Fuller ever working with Hult, because it seemed like,

989
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you remember this Cocoa, but it

990
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.199
<v Speaker 4>seemed like there was a lot of talent exchange between

991
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Pensacola and Memphis back then. A lot of guys would

992
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.039
<v Speaker 4>go back and forth. Do you remember that.

993
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kind of remember that, A little bit called

994
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 2>novelle Awsome, Yeah, yes, and stuff like that. And he

995
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.320
<v Speaker 2>was my partner as a pretty young thing.

996
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 4>Pretty young thing. So do you remember that going back

997
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:05.320
<v Speaker 4>and forth. Was that like a friendly thing or were

998
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 4>you like kind of leaving one of the guys in

999
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.159
<v Speaker 4>the dust and going to the other place or were

1000
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 4>they working together? Do you remember that vibe?

1001
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean myself, I did. I never did. I didn't.

1002
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like it like that myself. Because when Bobby Eaton,

1003
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I know, y'all know Bobby Eaton him and I him,

1004
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and I was partner's eye as well. And then Bobby

1005
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Eaton said, at Leasa gave me a warning. He said, Coco.

1006
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.360
<v Speaker 2>He said, man, I heads up. He said, this is

1007
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 2>what I really want. I want to do. I want

1008
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 2>to go with Dennis Country and Midnight Express. We're going

1009
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.840
<v Speaker 2>to go to UH to Louisiana and work with Bill Watts.

1010
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>He said, man, what's your feelings? What's your thought about that?

1011
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 2>And you know what I told Bobby, I said, Bobby,

1012
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a full and you're a full grown man. Yep.

1013
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:01.119
<v Speaker 2>You make these choices, you make, you make him on

1014
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 2>your own, brother, you know. I said, good luck, you know,

1015
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>have at it whatever, and I hope you the best.

1016
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna stop nobody.

1017
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.119
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing about it. I'm not gonna stop

1018
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 2>nobody from trying to make for better himself.

1019
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember Terry leaving Memphis and why he left?

1020
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I don't know why he I don't.

1021
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I really don't know. And at that part, I definitely

1022
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know why he left Memphis and went to barnegonn

1023
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Here because I didn't see him until till I want

1024
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 2>uh the WWF in eighty six.

1025
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 4>Just you just suddenly wasn't around anymore. Yeah, I got it, okay.

1026
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you what I'm gonna tell you he was.

1027
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't there when I got there. I was sitting

1028
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 2>over in the corner and there was a big Andre

1029
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 2>to John, There's Don Morocco. There's all these big guys

1030
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.880
<v Speaker 2>all around and stuff like that. And when Hulk came in,

1031
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hard wasn't in the picture. He wasn't. Jimmy Hard

1032
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.239
<v Speaker 2>was not in the He wasn't in the picture even

1033
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 2>in Mithless when I was, when I was with.

1034
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:28.960
<v Speaker 4>All, Yeah, he was just sort of helping Jerry on

1035
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 4>the back end with some of the music stuff and promotions.

1036
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:32.880
<v Speaker 4>But he wasn't a TV manager yet.

1037
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:33.119
<v Speaker 5>Right.

1038
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, then we'll say this right quick. Do you know

1039
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 2>how you know how Jimmy Hard got started in the business.

1040
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he Jerry Lawler wanted to make a record and uh,

1041
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Jimmy Hart was a big fan and was doing the

1042
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.599
<v Speaker 4>gentries and they hooked up and did the record and

1043
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 4>then and then Jerry brought him into the business.

1044
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>No, Jerry Lawler, Yeah, yeah, Jerry Lawler and Jimmy. Jimmy

1045
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:03.559
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a wrestling manager. Jerry Lawler wanted to

1046
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>sing country music.

1047
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 4>Yep, for sure.

1048
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 2>So that's how Jimmy Hard got into wrestling business.

1049
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 4>That's right. So you were saying that through the prism

1050
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:19.239
<v Speaker 4>of meeting Hulking eighty six again, he said.

1051
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Bring it. Yeah, then we're going back. We're going back there. See,

1052
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I gotta I jump all around, so you gotta watch

1053
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 2>problem on the rail, No problem. When I walked when

1054
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:34.039
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty six, I was there when Huck walked in,

1055
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know he was there when he walked.

1056
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 2>When he when Hug walked in the dressing room, and

1057
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Hug looked over in the corner and Hug said, no, no,

1058
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I'll be damn God, damn, I mean, I hope he's

1059
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:00.800
<v Speaker 2>no kids around please. But uh and and he said

1060
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 2>he came over there, hunk came over there and picked

1061
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 2>me up and shook me like I was the baby.

1062
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

1063
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:20.239
<v Speaker 2>And he looked at Andre and and all of them

1064
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Morocco and everybody was in there, and he said, hey, guys,

1065
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 2>this little eml here. He was the only one that

1066
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:37.039
<v Speaker 2>helped me at Beefcake in Memphis. He said, Man, I'm

1067
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>glad to see you. Oh, I'm so glad to see you.

1068
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.840
<v Speaker 4>What did that mean to you?

1069
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Kco Man, it meant the world. I mean here it

1070
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is tears coming down my eyes and stuff like that.

1071
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 2>And I said, man, I didn't think I ever see

1072
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 2>you no more and stuff like that. And I asked

1073
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the words beef re read and stuff like that. He said, well,

1074
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 2>he'd probably be here. He's probably coming, you know, later

1075
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 2>on somewhere, you know. And uh and he did uh

1076
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.239
<v Speaker 2>as came and came back as Beefcake. So but but

1077
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 2>that just made me feel good all over. I said, golly,

1078
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I did my I did my very very

1079
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 2>best helping somebody. And I helped him. And then when

1080
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 2>at that time, he was so he was polished, he

1081
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:36.440
<v Speaker 2>was so polished. He he was over big time. And

1082
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.599
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was telling trying to tell him, said once,

1083
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 2>once you learn how to do all of this, it's

1084
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna you're gonna get better with it. Each and every

1085
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.920
<v Speaker 2>day you're talking, your interview, talking and stuff like that,

1086
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.360
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get better with it.

1087
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.679
<v Speaker 4>And look at that in the full circle moment. I

1088
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 4>want to ask you one more question about uh I.

1089
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 6>Went I said one too, just now? Did you do

1090
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:06.199
<v Speaker 6>you think just curious if you thought that? You know,

1091
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.239
<v Speaker 6>in comparison Hulk Hogan to Luf Forregno is the incredible.

1092
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:11.920
<v Speaker 6>HOWK do you think Ulk Cogan was bigger.

1093
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Than well, you know what. I think he was bigger by.

1094
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Name, Okay, sure.

1095
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. And he was and the

1096
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:27.599
<v Speaker 2>other dude was he was big too. I'm not disrespected him.

1097
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was big. But for just everybody, they

1098
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 2>would love Hulk over him. They had Hunk out there

1099
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot more than they had they had him. Hm.

1100
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.079
<v Speaker 4>Who do you think if if, if, if if l.

1101
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.559
<v Speaker 6>Ever ever gotten the wrestling ring, who do you think

1102
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 6>would who do you think would be the better one?

1103
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.239
<v Speaker 2>But you know what I think, I think Hulk, especially

1104
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.960
<v Speaker 2>if if like Hunk is if if they've both been

1105
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 2>doing it about the same time or whatever. You got

1106
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:08.880
<v Speaker 2>to be trained to do this stuff, and then you

1107
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you and then you got to you got

1108
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:13.320
<v Speaker 2>to know how to do it. You got to know

1109
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.760
<v Speaker 2>how to talk and all that stuff. See when I

1110
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 2>when I saw Hunk up in the w w F, well,

1111
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.440
<v Speaker 2>he man, he could rap, come out, he could wrap.

1112
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 5>Yep, promos were there and he and he could put

1113
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 5>himself over and that's that's that's the things that that

1114
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:34.880
<v Speaker 5>you look that you love that you If you don't

1115
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.559
<v Speaker 5>have the wrapping part down you and stuff like that,

1116
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:39.000
<v Speaker 5>then you lose.

1117
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1118
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the other guy could be He might be

1119
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the same, but I don't know.

1120
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not quite. The promo Hulk was, for sure, Coco.

1121
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.679
<v Speaker 4>Did Elvis ever go to any of your matches? Hulk said.

1122
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Elvis used to go to some of his matches in Memphis.

1123
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Elvis came there one time, but I never you see him,

1124
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, because they said they set him up in

1125
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the press box. Yes, wow, they had him. They had him.

1126
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:13.840
<v Speaker 2>They had him up in the press box and stuff

1127
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.559
<v Speaker 2>like that, and they didn't let nobody know that Evers

1128
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 2>was in the building. They snuck him in.

1129
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:23.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, probably. I don't know how they got him in

1130
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 4>there in seventy nine, but yeah, I understand why they

1131
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.599
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't make a big show of it.

1132
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, And so you know, but that's the only

1133
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:36.559
<v Speaker 2>time that I got a kind of, uh just a

1134
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 2>little seeing him a little bit, just just that he

1135
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:41.360
<v Speaker 2>was leaving.

1136
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my goodness. So you saw him getting in the

1137
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:46.760
<v Speaker 4>limo or you just heard about.

1138
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.800
<v Speaker 2>It, Well, just just I saw him getting in the

1139
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 2>limo and uh and stuff like that. You know, I

1140
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:57.079
<v Speaker 2>just saw him. I didn't you know, didn't I didn't

1141
01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:58.440
<v Speaker 2>even really know that was him.

1142
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:03.400
<v Speaker 4>But you sure it wasn't Unky tunk Man, No, No,

1143
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:08.079
<v Speaker 4>that was I mean, listen, listen. I'll tell you what.

1144
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 6>If I ever had been in the presence of Almans,

1145
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.559
<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't want to run up to him and just

1146
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 6>grab him because I wouldn't believe he was real it's

1147
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 6>still alive.

1148
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, you know what, I wasn't like that. I

1149
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't like that at all. And uh but uh

1150
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.960
<v Speaker 2>but that's okay. But I I couldn't make I couldn't

1151
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 2>make nothing out of it because I didn't really I

1152
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.559
<v Speaker 2>saw I just saw a flash of him of him

1153
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:40.559
<v Speaker 2>coming down, they had so many guys walking with him,

1154
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and and next thing, you know, when I came out,

1155
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:46.360
<v Speaker 2>they were just getting in the limos. So I don't

1156
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I can say that they said it was it was personally,

1157
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 2>but I never did see.

1158
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, the resurrection unbelievable. So one more question

1159
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:58.760
<v Speaker 4>for you, Cooko about Memphis, because this one is of

1160
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 4>interest fans. I think in eighty one, after Hulk could

1161
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 4>come through the first time, he went to WWWF, he

1162
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 4>went to New Japan, he went to he started in Awa.

1163
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 4>He was now a big, big name in the wrestling business.

1164
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 4>He came back to Memphis just for one match in

1165
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.280
<v Speaker 4>February of eighty one against Jerry Lawler. And this is

1166
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.800
<v Speaker 4>the match that came out on videotape later. Remember this

1167
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 4>where they claimed Jerry Lawler once beat Hulk Cogan after

1168
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.920
<v Speaker 4>he made it big in WWF Hulk, and they made

1169
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:26.719
<v Speaker 4>a big deal about it. They put a videotape out

1170
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.079
<v Speaker 4>about it. And I always wondered that in that time period,

1171
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.079
<v Speaker 4>and perhaps you have some perspective on this, having worked there,

1172
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 4>did did Hulk did it bother Hulk that Jerry kind

1173
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.400
<v Speaker 4>of went around acting like he beat Hulk Cogan. It

1174
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.639
<v Speaker 4>was like a DQ finish and they did a rematch

1175
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:44.480
<v Speaker 4>later in Florida. But you know, Jerry did something similar

1176
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 4>with Andre the Giant and the wrestling magazines the midget

1177
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 4>who beat Andre the Giant, that whole controversy. Do you

1178
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 4>remember the Hulk Jerry Lawler match in eighty one.

1179
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.039
<v Speaker 2>And this idea?

1180
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1181
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 2>True, I knew Lawler see aure call Lawler. He wanted

1182
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 2>to beat you. He that was his thing. Yes, if

1183
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.599
<v Speaker 2>he could beat you in Memphis, that put him over

1184
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.639
<v Speaker 2>and he could get out there on the TV and

1185
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:13.639
<v Speaker 2>talk about it. I don't beat them all. I don't

1186
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:15.760
<v Speaker 2>beat the Hunk Hogan, I don't beat the Andre the

1187
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Giants and stuff like that. I mean, you know, but

1188
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:26.519
<v Speaker 2>even with Ric Flair, I mean, Rick Clair put Lawler over,

1189
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and Lawler was supposed to return the favor to Ric Flair.

1190
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's the reason why Ric Flair kind of don't

1191
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 2>like he don't really care for Lawla.

1192
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 4>Now, yeah, that didn't happen. Do you think that there

1193
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.679
<v Speaker 4>was animosity between Hulk and Lawler about that eighty one

1194
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.480
<v Speaker 4>thing where they acted like he beat Hogan or not

1195
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:46.320
<v Speaker 4>so much.

1196
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, see that's I think Hogan was working with I

1197
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.440
<v Speaker 2>guess McMahon. I don't know. I don't know if he

1198
01:07:58.480 --> 01:07:59.639
<v Speaker 2>was working with McMahon or not.

1199
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.079
<v Speaker 4>Yea, he had for a while. Yeah, but that was

1200
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 4>like in that period between Vin Senior and vern Yeah.

1201
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. But but it was just it was

1202
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:13.280
<v Speaker 2>it was it was just something that Lawler. That was

1203
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 2>all Lawler. I mean, Lawler can talk to you and

1204
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 2>tell you what we're gonna do as and and then

1205
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you make a big comeback on the end of it

1206
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:30.760
<v Speaker 2>where it throws your mind off, Yes, what they've done. Yes,

1207
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.479
<v Speaker 2>and then you don't really you don't think about it.

1208
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Ntil you in the dressing room or you you're in

1209
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the airplane someone and say, Lee, what in the heck

1210
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.960
<v Speaker 2>did I put him over for? Right? Right?

1211
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Right? That's fascinating. Jimmy Hart said in his book that

1212
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.720
<v Speaker 4>he didn't really think Jerry Lawler saw a star in

1213
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.039
<v Speaker 4>in Terry in the beginning, and Jerry kind of I

1214
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 4>don't know if he disagrees or not, but that that's

1215
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.039
<v Speaker 4>what he thought. Jerry's perspective was, do you think Jerry,

1216
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.960
<v Speaker 4>because we talk of about, you know, how a lot

1217
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.039
<v Speaker 4>of people missed on Hulk, like Eddie Graham had him first.

1218
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 4>They didn't really push him Dust he didn't like him.

1219
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:11.079
<v Speaker 4>Alabama pushed him big time, but he left there too.

1220
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.439
<v Speaker 4>And then Jerry Lawler, you know, worked with him and

1221
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.439
<v Speaker 4>made him a big name in Memphis, but then he left.

1222
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:19.119
<v Speaker 4>He had left the business for a little while. You

1223
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.199
<v Speaker 4>do you think Jerry Lawler saw a star and Terry

1224
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:22.439
<v Speaker 4>Boulder Truly.

1225
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:28.600
<v Speaker 2>He probably saw a star. H Noel Lawlers, like I say,

1226
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:33.439
<v Speaker 2>he probably did, and he probably didn't want him to

1227
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:38.520
<v Speaker 2>get into bigger yeah right, you know, but he did.

1228
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean after he left, after lawering him, after he

1229
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.279
<v Speaker 2>done beat Hogan and stuff like that. He'd unbeat Andrada

1230
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.800
<v Speaker 2>John and so it didn't really matter because Hope brought

1231
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it up. I mean Lawler brought it, but brought all

1232
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:57.119
<v Speaker 2>this back up before he even thought about going up

1233
01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to Wwe already beat all of.

1234
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:03.439
<v Speaker 4>Them, right, He was able to say that too to

1235
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:03.840
<v Speaker 4>his face.

1236
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:04.640
<v Speaker 2>See what I'm saying.

1237
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.800
<v Speaker 4>I do last one for you, Cocoa, when I mean

1238
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.000
<v Speaker 4>you talked about being moved to tears in eighty six,

1239
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.119
<v Speaker 4>when Hulk gave you the big Bear hug the move,

1240
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.159
<v Speaker 4>you told me you should do more than just the

1241
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.399
<v Speaker 4>bear hugg and there he is Bear hugging you backstage

1242
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 4>in eighty six and being emotional about it. I got

1243
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:21.319
<v Speaker 4>to ask you, everybody we've talked to about Hulk, we

1244
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.399
<v Speaker 4>asked them your reaction when you learned of his passing.

1245
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:27.159
<v Speaker 4>It shocked a lot of people. And just what what

1246
01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:29.479
<v Speaker 4>memories and thoughts went through your head when you found

1247
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 4>out that that Hulk passed last year?

1248
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Is what all we just talked about, all the questions

1249
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.439
<v Speaker 2>you just asked, you asked me, and all the memories

1250
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 2>that and I'm going, oh man, and what really bothered

1251
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:53.119
<v Speaker 2>me too? I wanted a kin to a fuel sure, yeah,

1252
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.199
<v Speaker 2>but I got I got stuck in New Jersey. Were

1253
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>doing up there, and the flight was the flight canceled

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01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:11.039
<v Speaker 2>out until that it was a Sunday until that Monday night.

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01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't going to fly back to Memphis that Monday night. Well,

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01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I had to get up that Sunday morning. I took

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01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:24.399
<v Speaker 2>a flight out to all the way to Chicago and

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01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:29.279
<v Speaker 2>then it came down to Memphis and got in the

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01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Memphis around about eleven o'clock. Well, I get a text

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01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:41.279
<v Speaker 2>and saying you are invited to Hawks home homecoming ye,

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01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:47.279
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going like I can't make it. It was

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01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:52.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be that Tuesday to try to try to

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01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:58.439
<v Speaker 2>try to buy a ticket in Memphis, of all places

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01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.920
<v Speaker 2>many were they would ate me up, of course I would.

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01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:07.119
<v Speaker 2>And I'm and I'm not. I'm not related to Donald Trump.

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01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.520
<v Speaker 4>In terms of being able to pay for fair on

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01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.560
<v Speaker 4>that short notice. Well that that stinks. I'm sorry to

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01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 4>hear that, but definitely, I'm sure you spent some time reflect.

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01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.600
<v Speaker 2>But I got it. I got invited, and and and

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01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:23.479
<v Speaker 2>uh and I cried about that because that hurt me,

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01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.159
<v Speaker 2>because when I heard it, and it hurt me, and

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01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.439
<v Speaker 2>and all the memories that I just went over with

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01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:34.600
<v Speaker 2>your guys and stuff like that, that that that's that's

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01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.800
<v Speaker 2>lifetime for me. And and then I told Brutus, and

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01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I ain't even told brutus, Brutus, why you and Hogan

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01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 2>cannot get along? Right? Why? I said, why, why y'all

1277
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.359
<v Speaker 2>cannot get a loan? That hurt me so bad that

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01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.960
<v Speaker 2>these guys here let a woman get between them.

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01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.680
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm, yeah, that was.

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01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And I said, I said, forget that. I mean you

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01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.159
<v Speaker 2>got to put you guys, got to put the woman

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01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in her place. And said, look here this who I

1283
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:24.039
<v Speaker 2>was with when I didn't have nothing. And I love you, honey,

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01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.279
<v Speaker 2>but nothing is gonna come between me and huwk here

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01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.359
<v Speaker 2>me in terior here. He helped me out when I

1286
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.479
<v Speaker 2>when I. He gave me money when I when when

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01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have it. Yes, he helped, he did. He

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01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:42.239
<v Speaker 2>helped did surgery on me when when I didn't have

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01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the surgery money. He did a lot of things for me.

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01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of things for him. So I

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01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:57.680
<v Speaker 2>can't turn against him no matter what.

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01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Ye friends to the end. So what what your final question?

1293
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.600
<v Speaker 4>So if you had a chance to see Hulk one

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01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:10.159
<v Speaker 4>last time, what would you tell him?

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01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.920
<v Speaker 2>If I had a chance, You know what, I was

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01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:18.520
<v Speaker 2>still I did make a when this when this brought

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01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 2>us up to uh New York, brought the beefcake. No, no,

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01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:26.600
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be cake.

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01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:27.079
<v Speaker 5>It was.

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01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Uh TiO Santana, Greg Valentine, Jimmy Hart and h tedd

1301
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Viosta was supposed to be there bringing all the legends back,

1302
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:47.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh and I got a chance. Jimmy

1303
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Hart was on was talking to Huck on the phone,

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01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and I got a chance to talk to I said Jimmy,

1305
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Because Jimmy wasn't gonna let me talk to him. Where

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01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 2>he's busy. Hulk is busy, Jimmy, all, he's coming up. Well,

1307
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.760
<v Speaker 2>he's so busy, he came, he can't. I said, well, Jimmy,

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01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 2>let me talk to Hunk here for a minute. One minute, Jimmy,

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01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 2>So I talked. I talked to jim I mean, I

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01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:14.840
<v Speaker 2>talked to hook and I said, hey, big brother, how

1311
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.640
<v Speaker 2>you doing us? I said, I've been trying to call

1312
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.640
<v Speaker 2>you and everything, but I don't have your number. And

1313
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.479
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow your

1314
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 2>phone up and stuff like that. I'm not gonna wear

1315
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:27.439
<v Speaker 2>you to death. I said, you know, I know how

1316
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the rastle business work. I don't want people to wear

1317
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.880
<v Speaker 2>me to death either, I said, you know, but I

1318
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:37.439
<v Speaker 2>think we all at least say hello to each other sometimes,

1319
01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. I said, I never forgot you, what you

1320
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 2>did and what you did for me and all that

1321
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. I never forgot you. And uh

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01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.199
<v Speaker 2>he said, yeah, he said, I never forgot you, brother,

1323
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.920
<v Speaker 2>when you helped me out down to her Welch's place

1324
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. Men bee for and uh but

1325
01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, man, I just wish I just wish you

1326
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and Beefer can get along and man, get back brothers again.

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01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He said, well, I don't think that's that were going

1328
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 2>to happen and stuff like that. I said, that hurts me.

1329
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.279
<v Speaker 2>It hurts me big time because we was all big buddies.

1330
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:19.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I got off the phone. I said, here's

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01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy hard. I don't want to talk to you too long. Man.

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01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.479
<v Speaker 2>I love you, man, you take care of yourself. I

1333
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't know he was sick or anything.

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01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:31.920
<v Speaker 4>Right, amazing, you know, and and you know what, and

1335
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:33.119
<v Speaker 4>it just.

1336
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:37.560
<v Speaker 2>It just breaks my heart that how he was he

1337
01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.840
<v Speaker 2>was sitting there. I could tell that it wasn't him

1338
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:46.760
<v Speaker 2>because he did he wasn't really a sharp talk that.

1339
01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:49.119
<v Speaker 4>He right, right, you can tell by the voice.

1340
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, and that was that part of

1341
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.079
<v Speaker 2>we're going in. I said, oh, something is something is

1342
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:58.960
<v Speaker 2>going on with it's something is something's wrong with him.

1343
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:01.119
<v Speaker 4>Well it makes sense. I mean, you saw them as.

1344
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.640
<v Speaker 2>He was my he was my big brother. I'm telling you,

1345
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he was my big white brother in the wrestling business.

1346
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:16.079
<v Speaker 2>And he's gold. He's gold. Now. I mean, you know,

1347
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I had two brothers in the wrestling business that I loved,

1348
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:28.680
<v Speaker 2>that I really really loved. And that was hung Kogan

1349
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 2>and that was Kamala that you gunn and Josh sure Hm.

1350
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have no nobody. I didn't have nobody in

1351
01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:49.279
<v Speaker 2>the wrestling I could say, that's my brother, that's my cousin.

1352
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 2>I was all alone by myself when I went to

1353
01:17:54.840 --> 01:18:00.159
<v Speaker 2>when I get with the Vince McMahon, I was all alone.

1354
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have nobody that I could trust. And I'm

1355
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>around all these big monsters. Everybody was a big monster.

1356
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.279
<v Speaker 2>And this little bird Man got over.

1357
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Damn ready did bird Man got.

1358
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Over and I fnced back man bought the whole gimmick.

1359
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:30.640
<v Speaker 4>Well you're still you're still over with us, bird Man.

1360
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I got my hair, I good paint all over my

1361
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:42.479
<v Speaker 2>face and everything, trying to be like Frankie. Now, Oh

1362
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I kill you. Y'all gotta excuse me for a minute.

1363
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Now now Franky Frankie's gold.

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01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Coco, we're sorry that this is you know where

1365
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.239
<v Speaker 4>your head's at now, But we got to tell you

1366
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.960
<v Speaker 4>we appreciate everything you did. We loved you for all

1367
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:11.520
<v Speaker 4>the all the I want to reach you gave us

1368
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:11.960
<v Speaker 4>as a rest.

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01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.039
<v Speaker 6>I want to tell you something, Coco, that when I

1370
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:20.439
<v Speaker 6>was a kid, when I was a kid, and I

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01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:24.479
<v Speaker 6>one of the things that you So when I was,

1372
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:26.079
<v Speaker 6>when I was a kid, when they came out with

1373
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:29.720
<v Speaker 6>your Hasbro Action figure, the little one back in like

1374
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:31.319
<v Speaker 6>I think it was like ninety two or ninety three

1375
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:34.640
<v Speaker 6>or something like that. It was the it was the

1376
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:40.560
<v Speaker 6>hardest figure to find, was your Action figure. And I like,

1377
01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:46.079
<v Speaker 6>I searched long and hard you were. You were one

1378
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:47.920
<v Speaker 6>of the only ones that I couldn't find. And then

1379
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.079
<v Speaker 6>the day I found it, it was like it was

1380
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.640
<v Speaker 6>it was one. It was such an incredible like my

1381
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 6>heart was racing because I'd finally found your Action figure.

1382
01:19:58.600 --> 01:19:59.399
<v Speaker 4>And this is no joke.

1383
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.680
<v Speaker 6>And and the when I was, when I was also a kid,

1384
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:08.720
<v Speaker 6>I did something. I did stupid things with my Action figures,

1385
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:11.399
<v Speaker 6>not knowing they would become collectibles and that I would

1386
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:13.800
<v Speaker 6>I would paint them. I would paint over my wrestling

1387
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.039
<v Speaker 6>Action figures, so like my Hogans and my Papa Shangos

1388
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:21.199
<v Speaker 6>and my Sids and whatever. But because yours was so

1389
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:25.720
<v Speaker 6>hard to find and yours was so special to me,

1390
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:29.680
<v Speaker 6>I didn't touch it. I was like, I'm not touching Coco.

1391
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.520
<v Speaker 6>Coco is not going to have a different colored outfit.

1392
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:38.000
<v Speaker 6>I am keeping his figure absolute pristine. It was like that.

1393
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:41.680
<v Speaker 6>It was that special. So you you mean a lot

1394
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:42.520
<v Speaker 6>to a lot of people.

1395
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I appreciate you all taking out time for me absolutely.

1396
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Thanks for reflecting with us. Man, We really appreciate it.

1397
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just I just get to what becall. Of course,

1398
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:05.199
<v Speaker 2>there was two guys. Yeah, I didn't have I just

1399
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:09.520
<v Speaker 2>had just for brothers. Those two guys, you know, and

1400
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.079
<v Speaker 2>they was real brothers. They just want to put on

1401
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.359
<v Speaker 2>brothers for the rest of them. They were real brothers.

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01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.199
<v Speaker 4>Well listen, man, I'm glad that we we got a

1403
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:21.880
<v Speaker 4>chance to, you know, give you a place to express

1404
01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:24.560
<v Speaker 4>that because I don't think people realize how important those

1405
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.560
<v Speaker 4>guys were to you. And now here it is. And man,

1406
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:28.760
<v Speaker 4>I got to tell you to let you go.

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01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 7>We wish I want to say that, but I just

1408
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:37.800
<v Speaker 7>wanted to, but you know we would it wouldn't be

1409
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:39.279
<v Speaker 7>beefcake time.

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01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This is all about hook time. Yeah.

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01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.239
<v Speaker 4>We all lived it and we all loved it. So

1412
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:48.800
<v Speaker 4>thanks for the part you played, and man, all the

1413
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:51.399
<v Speaker 4>absolute best to you. Thank you so much for giving

1414
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 4>us all this time.

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01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, Thank you all.

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01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:01.600
<v Speaker 6>The Labs Entertainment Group It's Antenna is intended for private

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01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:02.199
<v Speaker 6>use only.

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<v Speaker 2>Philips say we wanted, not want the stories