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Speaker 2: Let's call it how it is the TV voice of
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz, the legend around here, the Great Craig Bowler,
Speaker 2: Jack Bowler.
Speaker 3: Happy Thursday afternoon, sir, How are.
Speaker 4: You spans them?
Speaker 5: Great?
Speaker 4: How you doing?
Speaker 3: We're good man, We're good.
Speaker 2: It's a big weekend coming up, and you know this
Speaker 2: is your alma mater K State rolling into Provo for
Speaker 2: the first time since what like seventy nine? Did you
Speaker 2: ever think your alma mater was gonna be playing college
Speaker 2: football in this state?
Speaker 4: Dute surprise and really a treat. I had plans to
Speaker 4: be there, but the games at a thirty. I thought
Speaker 4: it was going to be at noon. It seems like
Speaker 4: I have this problem many times. But ESPN made it
Speaker 4: a primetimer at least on the West Coast in the
Speaker 4: Mountain time zone, as a primetimer at eight thirty, so
Speaker 4: I have another commitment. Sadly at night, I'll be able
Speaker 4: to watch, well, i'll record it, but I'll probably be
Speaker 4: able to see the second half live. But man wanted
Speaker 4: to be in Provo. Got a lot of friends in town,
Speaker 4: and I told them they will love the scenery and
Speaker 4: the field, the vibe at Lovella Edward Stadium. It's a
Speaker 4: special place and it's it's gonna be a fun game.
Speaker 4: I tell you. The crowd in Provo is great. They're
Speaker 4: gonna find that one day. I believe it's twenty twenty
Speaker 4: six maybe or was it twenty seven, that BYU will
Speaker 4: be in Manhattan, so they're gonna get a taste of
Speaker 4: what Aggieville and just a great feel of fans in
Speaker 4: Manhattan as well.
Speaker 2: Had a chance to interviewed Chris Climb in Big twelve
Speaker 2: media Day. Very impressive, very impressive guy. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: gotta say, Craig, like they bullied Arizona, Like Arizona, they
Speaker 2: suffocated them, like it wasn't even a fair fight. Arizona
Speaker 2: top twenty team at the time. What do you think
Speaker 2: byus in for as K State rolls into pro bo
Speaker 2: is a six point five point favorite.
Speaker 4: Now, well, I'd tell if people are going to say
Speaker 4: you're just talking up K State because you went there,
Speaker 4: but no, this is a good football team. This program
Speaker 4: has come a long way led by Bill Snyder years ago,
Speaker 4: and they continue to build. You know what, every football
Speaker 4: team wants to have the tradition and just a way
Speaker 4: of how they play the game. And I think they
Speaker 4: do it, you know with lesser you know, five star players, Spence. Look,
Speaker 4: they go out and find threes and fours and guys
Speaker 4: who want to play the game. They work high level
Speaker 4: hard of getting to that to that level, and I'm
Speaker 4: proud of them, I really am. Look, Avery Johnson's a
Speaker 4: young kid. The quarterback for K State. He'll be twenty
Speaker 4: next month, November two, and just a sophomore. But I
Speaker 4: thought he really came into his own last week, as
Speaker 4: as you know, and so did the O line D
Speaker 4: line for K State avery fast. You know, it's really
Speaker 4: the first taste I've had of him a full type
Speaker 4: of game situation where you know, he was, you know,
Speaker 4: going high level, high motor, but he can get on
Speaker 4: the edge and he's working on his passing game, and
Speaker 4: I think that's one thing Kialan He's probably looking at
Speaker 4: this week. How do you keep him between the tackles
Speaker 4: and force him to throw the ball because he's not
Speaker 4: that experience with the passing game. He's I think he's
Speaker 4: starting to show signs of that, but his legs are
Speaker 4: really his best attribute right now.
Speaker 3: So ultimately you brought up the lad kick.
Speaker 2: It's an eight thirty kick, and that is you know,
Speaker 2: it's the you know, it's it's a necessary evil. As
Speaker 2: it pertains to where the Big twelve is on the
Speaker 2: hierarchy of television executives picking teams for prime windows. It
Speaker 2: is primetime on the West coast, but it is way
Speaker 2: too late for folks back east to really stay up
Speaker 2: and watch. I wonder ifrom your vantage point case state
Speaker 2: rolls in, there's already altitude. That place is going to
Speaker 2: be going crazy at eight thirty. The night games in
Speaker 2: Provo are fun. Man, those kids show up and show out,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be loud. What sort of complications
Speaker 2: you think this brings for Alma Mater? The fact that
Speaker 2: they're probably not going to be done until the Sabbath begins.
Speaker 4: I love that. You know they won't mind playing after midnight. Look,
Speaker 4: I think that's okay. I don't think YU is gonna
Speaker 4: pull their players off the off the field either if
Speaker 4: it goes late. But you know, I think the altitude
Speaker 4: will be a bit of a blast. I mean, you
Speaker 4: know that they'll have to get used to it first quarter.
Speaker 4: I'm always a believer Spence covering teams over the years,
Speaker 4: they always talk about how do you start games, especially
Speaker 4: on the road. Six and a half point favorites? Okay,
Speaker 4: any coach will take that, but don't get over confident
Speaker 4: with that spread, by the way, and look, I think
Speaker 4: any home team is always worth three points, no matter
Speaker 4: how good or how bad you are. But I think
Speaker 4: it's the way you start. Look, just go in, do
Speaker 4: your thing, don't don't turn the ball over. And I
Speaker 4: know the Yu's defense probably will try to blitch is
Speaker 4: young quarterback and force him to make mistakes. Look, Klane's
Speaker 4: very very good in game planning in my opinion, and
Speaker 4: I think, you know, they know his strengths and weaknesses,
Speaker 4: and they want to rattle this guy on the road.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I get it. And so don't throw a pick,
Speaker 4: you know, try to establish a run game and let
Speaker 4: your offensive line help you. And I think BYU and
Speaker 4: Utah excuse me, b YU and k State Uh, both
Speaker 4: these both these teams are strong upfront, and I think
Speaker 4: the test for BYU, in my opinion, is the physical
Speaker 4: play of what the Big twelve brings. And I think
Speaker 4: that's the first taste for the Cougars in a way,
Speaker 4: how they saw uh, you know, they saw teams prior Baylor. Uh.
Speaker 4: But I think it's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 4: how everyone responds as this season really kicks off in
Speaker 4: conference play.
Speaker 2: So last thing here, and I just want to make
Speaker 2: sure this doesn't change your opinion.
Speaker 3: On the outcome of the game or how going to
Speaker 3: play out.
Speaker 2: But my sources, Craig indicate that Saturday night in Provo,
Speaker 2: the good folks.
Speaker 3: Down at BYU will roll out.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed your classic maple cougar tails. But attendant to it,
Speaker 2: they're planning on releasing a very limited edition vanilla frosting cougartail.
Speaker 2: Does that change your view on how this game is
Speaker 2: going to play.
Speaker 3: Out on Saturday?
Speaker 4: I saw that. I saw that, You know what, if
Speaker 4: I was there, I would definitely be taste. That'd be
Speaker 4: a tasty treat, to be honest with you, the original
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, where will the original frosting be?
Speaker 4: And then the lighter cougartail? Is that in the front
Speaker 4: or the front of the tail?
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: But I'm also told that they're releasing limited edition new
Speaker 2: packaging for their cougar tails. So I'm only bringing this up,
Speaker 2: Craig because but it also feels like this is an
Speaker 2: underreported element because those students are going to be even
Speaker 2: more fired up after consuming you know, this new cougartail scenario.
Speaker 3: Maybe that is something that you need to tell your
Speaker 3: alma mater about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna make a phone call. The sugar high
Speaker 4: will be at you know, be insane Spence. As you
Speaker 4: know that concerns me. You know, sugar, you know, but
Speaker 4: you have to be careful too. That sugar high wears off,
Speaker 4: you know after a while. So yes, be prepared for
Speaker 4: a wild crop. And it could swim up down. It could,
Speaker 4: It could could. But I'm I'm anxious for these guys
Speaker 4: that I know to come into town Spence, I really am.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: They always say, what you been down doing on Utah
Speaker 4: all these years. That's well, you're gonna get the You're
Speaker 4: gonna get your first taste of really what the mountains
Speaker 4: and the night feel at Lavelle Edwards Stadium feels like, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I did ten years of BYU football and basketball,
Speaker 4: and I've always been in awe of both stadiums, by
Speaker 4: the way up on the hill and down and that
Speaker 4: team down south. As people love to kid each other,
Speaker 4: but I mean, really, we're lucky to have two really
Speaker 4: incredible stadiums of high magnitude now in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: That will I think radiate a lot of positive vibes
Speaker 4: for people outside the state who are getting the first
Speaker 4: taste of what's going on here Big twelve football.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Right now, it's rolling multiple teams in the Top twenty,
Speaker 4: Top twenty five, and I'm excited about it, and I
Speaker 4: think BYU fans should this should be a fun game.
Speaker 4: Could be decided by a field goal, could be decided
Speaker 4: by a turnover. But the six and a half points
Speaker 4: I'll take. But pay State has to make sure early
Speaker 4: they understand what they're up against, a great crowd, very
Speaker 4: physical football team, and just don't give yourself, you know,
Speaker 4: don't turn the ball over and try to establish a
Speaker 4: run game. I sound like a coach, but that's the
Speaker 4: way it plays out, especially on the road.
Speaker 2: All right over to the utes, Greg, something something's cooking, Okay,
Speaker 2: something's going on here.
Speaker 3: I don't know what, all right.
Speaker 2: So it's just really odd to see a line swing
Speaker 2: four and a half points in a matter of just
Speaker 2: a couple of hours.
Speaker 3: That rarely happens.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when we signed off air last night at six,
Speaker 2: Utah was a two point favorite. And then went home,
Speaker 2: walked the dog, grab some food, and suddenly I get
Speaker 2: like four texts simultaneously and they all said the same thing.
Speaker 3: Is cam playing on Saturday?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, I think so, you know, like
Speaker 2: we don't know, and I want to be clear until
Speaker 2: the conference mandates Kyle and his staff to report injuries.
Speaker 2: I totally understand why they don't. It drives me crazy,
Speaker 2: but I get it. You know, the competitive advantage of
Speaker 2: keeping your opponent on its heels.
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 2: I do think college football will eventually adopt the pro
Speaker 2: model where we will get an injury report and that
Speaker 2: does away with the ambiguity. But until we are there,
Speaker 2: I understand why they do this. I can't speak to
Speaker 2: why that line moved four and a half points in
Speaker 2: a matter of hours, but that means something, Craig, I
Speaker 2: don't know what it means, but it means something.
Speaker 4: Well, look today, am I right? Two and a half?
Speaker 4: That's where we're That's.
Speaker 3: That's where we are. That's where we are today.
Speaker 4: It's interesting, isn't it the Cam rising factor? I mean,
Speaker 4: would you say that's probably it?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's either somebody in Vegas got a tip
Speaker 2: the cam's not playing because it can't be that like
Speaker 2: Karenna Read is out because a four and a half
Speaker 2: point swing indicates like a big time injury to somebody
Speaker 2: that really moves the needle, which would be a quarterback.
Speaker 2: All due respect to Karina that we want him back
Speaker 2: to it either means that somebody got some information that
Speaker 2: maybe Cam is out, or when the line moved towards
Speaker 2: the utes to two points, some shark or some wise
Speaker 2: guy laid down a seven figure bet, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and to move the It's one of those two things.
Speaker 2: Unless I'm missing something, well, I.
Speaker 4: Would think it has to be big money bet. I mean,
Speaker 4: unless something's happened in practice, because all indications point that
Speaker 4: the laceration on the right hand at Cam Rising wasn't
Speaker 4: as serious as some people thought, and that Cam would
Speaker 4: be playing. But look, I think you have to look
Speaker 4: at the history of Cam and the way that the
Speaker 4: youths have handled his injuries in the past, very very
Speaker 4: quiet up until game time, and they really never spent
Speaker 4: last year early were upfront until maybe what was it
Speaker 4: Week five, week six, that this wasn't going to happen
Speaker 4: for Cam to play. So what I've learned in college football,
Speaker 4: in the pros or whatever it may be, I'm not
Speaker 4: convinced until I see it, And so I think maybe
Speaker 4: again Vegas maybe knows something. That's what they do. They
Speaker 4: make a lot of money in this bet game, and
Speaker 4: these guys are on top of it. How they get
Speaker 4: that information is beyond me. But maybe again, it's the
Speaker 4: way it works itself out. But it's either big money
Speaker 4: on Utah that drove it, or they know something about
Speaker 4: Cam that we don't. I don't think it's Keepy nobody
Speaker 4: else right that would really turn the dial down into
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State's favor.
Speaker 2: Now, a four and a half swing in like two
Speaker 2: and a half hours is a quarterback injury or big money.
Speaker 3: I don't know what else it could be.
Speaker 2: But let's move off that, Craig, and let me ask you,
Speaker 2: since you and I last spoke, we did see Utah
Speaker 2: for the first time in twelve years go up to Logan.
Speaker 2: They got to win over Utah State. It wasn't pretty.
Speaker 2: It was rough for the start, but specifically focusing on
Speaker 2: Isaac Wilson, I thought the young man met the moment
Speaker 2: after a tough start, I thought he really stepped up.
Speaker 3: I thought he answered some questions.
Speaker 2: What did you see from Utah's backup quarterback last Saturday?
Speaker 4: Well, confidence came his way and that's what they were
Speaker 4: waiting for. And I thought, honestly, you got to say
Speaker 4: that with Kyle and Andy and the way they kind
Speaker 4: of game planned it, I thought they put a lot
Speaker 4: of confidence into him. I thought he found his you know,
Speaker 4: after a little maybe slow, shaky, you know, first couple
Speaker 4: of series. I thought he just played great. I mean,
Speaker 4: they put it on him again. Offensive line, strong, d line,
Speaker 4: played their game, and I think Isaac really found some
Speaker 4: confidence and who he is eighteen years young. That's a
Speaker 4: tough transition from high school to college, believe me. And
Speaker 4: you know, the speed of the game is real. These
Speaker 4: guys all run fast, they hit harder, and they're smart.
Speaker 4: And I think I was impressed. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 4: sure before that game, but he as the game continued on,
Speaker 4: I thought, Spence, I don't know what you saw, but
Speaker 4: I thought I just saw building confidence and flow and
Speaker 4: that's where the game kind of just came to him.
Speaker 4: And I was happy for him either. You know, fans
Speaker 4: can get on you pretty quick, and it happens in
Speaker 4: the NFL, and you see guys get binged, right, But
Speaker 4: I thought Isaac stood up and said, Hey, that's why
Speaker 4: I'm here, and that's that's why you name me the
Speaker 4: number two quarterback behind Camp.
Speaker 3: I wonder Buller.
Speaker 2: I was listening to your old buddy Joel Klatt his
Speaker 2: podcast this morning, and he broke down Utah Okay States,
Speaker 2: and he said any he wasn't reporting this, but he
Speaker 2: referenced that there's a feeling and he would know. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's pretty plugged in in the scene of college football.
Speaker 2: There's a feeling this could be wits last year. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it is. It is a topic in
Speaker 2: this marketplace. Taiale is old as time because at times
Speaker 2: Kyle will drop hints, like when he came on the
Speaker 2: show just a couple of years ago asked what my
Speaker 2: father was up to. I said, he's basically retired, spending
Speaker 2: time with the grandkids. And Kyle said, well, that's going
Speaker 2: to be me soon. And of course people freaked out, like, oh,
Speaker 2: does that mean he's done. I don't know what he's done.
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of years left on his deal.
Speaker 2: But if Utah football wins the Big Twelve, if they
Speaker 2: go to the CFP and for the first time as
Speaker 2: a head coach, Kyle has a legitimate chance to really
Speaker 2: play for a national championship. Do you think that motivates
Speaker 2: him to look back and say, I was here from
Speaker 2: the Whack to the Mountain West Conference. I was here
Speaker 2: from the mount West Conference to the PAC twelve, we won,
Speaker 2: We won Mountain West Conference championships, We won Fiesta Bowl,
Speaker 2: Sugar Bowl, we won PAC twelve championships, We went to
Speaker 2: a couple of rose Buls, and now I had a
Speaker 2: chance to play.
Speaker 3: For a national championship.
Speaker 2: First of all, what a resume, I mean, my goodness,
Speaker 2: you don't start to finish. Second of all, do you
Speaker 2: think that might be enough for with to say, you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't know what else I can do.
Speaker 2: I did the best I could. I left it better
Speaker 2: than when I found it. Give me your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of players always think they'll walk
Speaker 4: off the field once they won a Super Bowl, but
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, the hunger of the game
Speaker 4: returns and it's hard to leave Spence. I think it'll
Speaker 4: be hard for for Wit to leave, no matter when.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's in his blood, it's in his DNA
Speaker 4: about right. And he always he had chances to make
Speaker 4: a jump from here or there, probably had an NFL
Speaker 4: call once or twice. He's kind of hinted on that,
Speaker 4: but he loves it here and what a magnificent job
Speaker 4: and really transitioning from Whack to Mountain West now to
Speaker 4: Big twelve Pac twelve, Big twelve and man, he has
Speaker 4: your What you just read Spence is a resume that
Speaker 4: very though coaches possess. The one thing that's missing. If
Speaker 4: he would have I'll tell you what, if he would
Speaker 4: have put won of those two Rose Bowls, he may
Speaker 4: have stepped down then maybe, but you know, he keeps
Speaker 4: coming back thinking that this is a good team he's
Speaker 4: put together and he has there's so many weapons if
Speaker 4: they stay healthy. Does he walk away? Man family may
Speaker 4: have something to say about that. Probably, yeah, it's time,
Speaker 4: But you know what, he loves this game and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of talent. And if he does leave, Morgan
Speaker 4: Scaley's the one most from all indications, will be the
Speaker 4: one to what would you say Spence benefit in a
Speaker 4: big way? I don't think there'd be much of a
Speaker 4: t The school rules. When you have a winning program
Speaker 4: at a very good conference, with a great fan base
Speaker 4: and the hell of a stadium, that's gonna, you know,
Speaker 4: keep this program down if at all. So, if Witt
Speaker 4: decides he's earned it, he may be. Maybe some people
Speaker 4: try to convince him to stay in a while longer.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he's well paid we know that probably
Speaker 4: one of the highest paid employees in the state of Utah.
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. So if he walks, he earns it, right,
Speaker 4: But I could see him sticking around to enjoy it.
Speaker 4: But maybe the time has come. Only he knows or
Speaker 4: very few people, very few people in a circle knows.
Speaker 2: All right, Craig, before I say you lose, I mean
Speaker 2: we have been very football centric and I cover everything
Speaker 2: that goes on, So we do hockey.
Speaker 3: We'll do a little RSL.
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz start their camp in what, yeah, like
Speaker 2: two weeks away.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is why this time of year is
Speaker 3: so fun. Just in a matter of days.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, we'll be able to really cover all of
Speaker 2: the local products that I enjoy covering. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: kind of what this show is about. We're not one
Speaker 2: product centric. We cover everything that we have going on
Speaker 2: here and do the best we can to be fair
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But as jazz camp approaches, you know,
Speaker 2: another year with Craig Butlerjack behind the microphone. Is this
Speaker 2: the time of year where you start to get excited?
Speaker 2: Is this the type of year where you start to
Speaker 2: get antsy? What are your what are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: the Jazz being back in just a matter of a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: All the above. A week from Monday the thirtieth is
Speaker 4: the big day where the team and our staff get
Speaker 4: together and the media has a chance to really get
Speaker 4: all the all the interviews out of the way and
Speaker 4: a chance to kind of get to know a lot
Speaker 4: of new faces. Spence, yeah, some of the players around,
Speaker 4: as they call it, open court right now. And then
Speaker 4: the Jazz get to work and we actually start the
Speaker 4: preseason in about two weeks time, which I can't believe
Speaker 4: against New Zealand the Breakers at home, and before you
Speaker 4: know it, it's here and hockey started what yesterday with
Speaker 4: their their camp. So this city is growing and the
Speaker 4: eyes will be interesting for me to see where the
Speaker 4: eyes are concentrated on hockey or whether it's the NBA,
Speaker 4: and of course what look, what's going on with football?
Speaker 4: I mean, the Big twelve has a lot of eyes
Speaker 4: on it and obviously a lot of eyes on Utah
Speaker 4: at the moment. So man, it's a great time. It's
Speaker 4: a great time for you know, Salt Lake City, Utah
Speaker 4: fans uh to see what's going on. Jazz fans. A
Speaker 4: lot of questions spent though that I have to get
Speaker 4: answered as a broadcaster, as I watched this team grow
Speaker 4: very young, two straight years of three uh well, five
Speaker 4: number one picks in one second round with Philipowski the
Speaker 4: big big kid on a duke and then you know,
Speaker 4: what do you do with JC and what do you
Speaker 4: do with Collins?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: And Sexton is he going to be a starter? My
Speaker 4: guess is yes. And the growth of Kiante and Taylor Hendrix,
Speaker 4: all those things come into play. But I'm most interested
Speaker 4: too to see what Walker Tesler becomes in year three.
Speaker 4: Big t and most NBA players will tell you that
Speaker 4: year three is kind of the jumping off point that
Speaker 4: either you find out who you are or the Jazz
Speaker 4: may move on. Who knows, But I think it's a
Speaker 4: big year. I mean for a lot of players, but
Speaker 4: for Walker. With Pilapowski in the camp, it's going to
Speaker 4: be pushed. But I think there's there's those three guys.
Speaker 4: Keante's got to turn down his turnovers, Taylor's got to
Speaker 4: grow with confidence and strength, and Walker's just got to
Speaker 4: find himself on who he wants to be. Can he
Speaker 4: find a face up game to the basket or Is
Speaker 4: he just going to put the ball down like Rudy
Speaker 4: did on top of the rim? Is he a good defender?
Speaker 4: Can he run the floor? Absolutely? But there's always these questions, dispence,
Speaker 4: and that's what I'm looking forward to. And I'm anxious
Speaker 4: also to get to know the game of hockey better.
Speaker 4: To me, that's important for this fan base to give
Speaker 4: it some time. Some fans already know out you know,
Speaker 4: the outsiders don't. But I think they're going to be
Speaker 4: hung to understand what hockey is all about in the
Speaker 4: physical play that comes with it. I think it's going
Speaker 4: to be damn fun.
Speaker 2: All right, Bowler, thanks for the time, my friend, and
Speaker 2: have a great weekend and the weather's supposed to beautiful,
Speaker 2: so hopefully have something fun planned and we'll chat.
Speaker 3: Soon, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: Hey, Well, you tell Gordo man, I I kind of
Speaker 4: miss him.
Speaker 3: I will tell him.
Speaker 2: I will tell him that you miss him, but I
Speaker 2: will not say that we miss him. I will say
Speaker 2: that you miss him.
Speaker 3: Is that fair?
Speaker 4: Well? Well, let me backpedal on that. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: What do I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll be reunited soon, buddy, Okay, I'll keep the great
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Speaker 2: joining me now, my buddy saw Lake Tribune author Gordon
Speaker 2: Monson on a Thursday afternoon, saw Lake Tribune writer excuse me, Gordo,
Speaker 2: happy Thursday.
Speaker 3: How we do it?
Speaker 5: That was the best sports talk host in the market.
Speaker 3: That's very kind of you, Gordon.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying that, and I just want to
Speaker 2: get your take right out of the gates about what
Speaker 2: you just witnessed in the UAFA Champions League game between
Speaker 2: AS Monaco and FC Barcelona.
Speaker 5: Preposterous, post, ridiculous, I mean, I can't even find the
Speaker 5: right words.
Speaker 2: Just shocking, huh okay, any specific element of the game
Speaker 2: that was preposterous and shocking just.
Speaker 5: Because it was bad form. And I didn't see, you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't see I didn't see the action I thought
Speaker 5: I was going to see. I thought that the game
Speaker 5: was lethargic and the Paul movements shucked, and I mean
Speaker 5: just it was. It was sloppier than I thought.
Speaker 3: Huh okay.
Speaker 2: You know reports have in front of me are talking
Speaker 2: about what a clean, fast paced game it was and
Speaker 2: now entertaining it was for the audience.
Speaker 3: You must have seen something different with your keen eye.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you say, I say, you each his
Speaker 5: own filterer crew, their own eyeballs, and look, all I
Speaker 5: can tell you is what my brain tells me that that's.
Speaker 2: What sure sure beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Gordo,
Speaker 2: all right, let's start with Utah. So last week, Utah
Speaker 2: goes up to Logan for the first time in twelve years,
Speaker 2: and they handled their business, but it was a little
Speaker 2: shaky at the start. But I want to hone in
Speaker 2: on Isaac Wilson, who I've been talking about all week
Speaker 2: as a young man, who I thought Gordon really met
Speaker 2: in the moment after a shaky start, What did you
Speaker 2: see from Utah's QB two.
Speaker 5: Well, you saw the growth during the game. Early on,
Speaker 5: it looked like more of the same what we've slipped
Speaker 5: betwe've seen earlier. But as time went on, he seemed
Speaker 5: to settle in and I thought they allowed him to
Speaker 5: show what he's got and I think that emboldened him
Speaker 5: and made him a better quarterback. I'll say it this way.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any doubt that Isaac Wilson's going
Speaker 5: to be a really good quarterback. He still has stuff
Speaker 5: to learn, and once he does that, and I think
Speaker 5: the arm talent he is going to show itself well, Utah,
Speaker 5: it's future quarterback looks to me in really good shit.
Speaker 2: I really felt like a general sigh of relief in
Speaker 2: this community based off of just how unprepared they were
Speaker 2: a year ago to handle the injuries to their quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: And I say that plural because it was Cam and Brandon.
Speaker 2: But it has to be a huge sigh of relief
Speaker 2: because here's the thing, Gordon, I mean, look, none of
Speaker 2: us want Cameron to be injured. None of us want
Speaker 2: him to get hurt. We want him to be healthy.
Speaker 2: We want him to play all year. But if I
Speaker 2: asked you to bet the sizeable Gordon Monks and salt
Speaker 2: Lake Jbune paycheck on whether or not Cam is going
Speaker 2: to play in every game this year, my guess is
Speaker 2: you would bet it that he won't.
Speaker 3: I mean, we have the data.
Speaker 2: It's hard to stay you know, optimistic, even though we
Speaker 2: want him to stay healthy, it's hard to be optimistic
Speaker 2: about him playing every single game. So I still believe
Speaker 2: if they want to win the Big Twelve, they need
Speaker 2: Cam under center. But at least ute fans know that
Speaker 2: there's a kid waiting in the wings.
Speaker 3: Where it doesn't look as cat straphig it.
Speaker 2: Did a year ago when it was bryceon than Nate
Speaker 2: and Bryce and the Nate like they do have a
Speaker 2: plan in place this year, and I think that's a
Speaker 2: great sign.
Speaker 5: All true spence, every bit of it, and I think
Speaker 5: he'll get better. The problem for Isaac Wilson will be
Speaker 5: if he is called upon in the game or two
Speaker 5: moving forward, he's probably going to face a better team
Speaker 5: than Utah State. I know there were a lot of
Speaker 5: compliments passed around about what the Aggies and the way
Speaker 5: they played in their toughness and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: Kyle talked a lot about that, but really that's not
Speaker 5: relative to what they will face in the Big twelve.
Speaker 5: That is not a comparable football team, and so he'll
Speaker 5: have to He'll he will get better, but his opposition
Speaker 5: will get better as well. So we'll see how that
Speaker 5: all works itself out. But he's the kind of quarterback
Speaker 5: that will benefit greatly from watching Cam play in the meantime,
Speaker 5: and if he does that and his attention, that's the
Speaker 5: part of his game that I think really will come
Speaker 5: and that's the part that needs to come out. So
Speaker 5: good news for the Utes on that front, no other way.
Speaker 2: To say so, some tenuous storylines have emerged over the past,
Speaker 2: you know, twelve to sixteen hours here Gordo with Utah
Speaker 2: high speed ahead to still Water to take on Oklahoma State.
Speaker 2: And when we signed off last night at six o'clock,
Speaker 2: Utah was a two point favorites. And then, as I've
Speaker 2: talked about all day on the show, I go home,
Speaker 2: I walk the dog, I get some dinner, and then
Speaker 2: I get four Tech simultaneously that say the same thing,
Speaker 2: which is is Cam playing on Saturday? I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I think that he is. But here's the deal. In
Speaker 2: about two and a half hours, Gordon, the line went
Speaker 2: from Utah favored by two to Oklahoma State favored by
Speaker 2: two and a half. It was a four and a
Speaker 2: half point swing over a matter of two two and
Speaker 2: a half hours. That doesn't mean nothing. Now, it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean Cam is not playing. But what do you make
Speaker 2: of just the way the line has switched over to
Speaker 2: the direction of the cowboy and whether or not you
Speaker 2: think should be concerned?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know the answer to the question with
Speaker 5: any exactness, but I think your instincts are pretty good Spence,
Speaker 5: and that that is somewhat concerning because when you have
Speaker 5: the kind of injury that Cam had, you know that
Speaker 5: thing can be bothersome in a lot of it. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like a golfer who you know, you think
Speaker 5: a finger problem or whatever, but when you're gripping the club,
Speaker 5: as you know, as a season golfer, you know that
Speaker 5: could really bother you. And when you're delivering a football
Speaker 5: that is this sounds funny to say, but it's got
Speaker 5: grains in it and it tears away at the fingers
Speaker 5: sometimes and can cause real problems for somebody who has
Speaker 5: something like that. So, man, I thought he was going
Speaker 5: to play. I thought he was going to play for sure,
Speaker 5: But I'm not so sure anymore. And if he doesn't play,
Speaker 5: I think this is going to be the toughest game
Speaker 5: you need to play, the toughest opponent they play all
Speaker 5: year because they don't play Kansas State. It don't play
Speaker 5: Kansas And so I mean, this is it. And so
Speaker 5: if he can't go, that means he really can't go
Speaker 5: because the youth, if they're going to leave him in
Speaker 5: any of their regular season games, this is the one
Speaker 5: they meet him the most.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he doesn't play on Saturday.
Speaker 2: He's properly hurt, and I can already feel the general
Speaker 2: consensus in the market of oh, here we go again. Now,
Speaker 2: let's be very clear, we don't know whether or not
Speaker 2: Cam's going to be under center.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: If I had the guest today, I would say that
Speaker 2: he is, because that's what I've been told. And I'm
Speaker 2: the one they told everybody last year that Cam and
Speaker 2: Brant weren't playing all year long after two or three
Speaker 2: weeks and caught a ton of heat.
Speaker 3: But do you feel like.
Speaker 2: Gordon, because I've heard a lot of people talk this
Speaker 2: way this week, do you feel like if Utah goes
Speaker 2: to Stillwater gets it don against ok State, that puts
Speaker 2: them in the driver's seat to potentially win the conference,
Speaker 2: even though it's only week four.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do. I do agree with that. And Spence,
Speaker 5: going back to last year, you were miss you were
Speaker 5: miss you. Yours is making mistakes. You were misled. You
Speaker 5: were misled, and a lot of people were misled. They
Speaker 5: made it sound like, oh, it's just around the corner.
Speaker 5: It's just around the corner, and that was the longest,
Speaker 5: biggest corner I've ever seen, And of course you never
Speaker 5: ended up playing and so that was not foolishness on
Speaker 5: your part. That was what everyone on the inside saw it.
Speaker 5: And then it didn't work out that way. So but
Speaker 5: if the US get this game on the road against
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, you know they're gonna have to They're gonna
Speaker 5: I mean, the Cowboys literally been averaging one hundred and
Speaker 5: twelve yards on the ground. So as much as Oregon,
Speaker 5: Scaley and Kyway they can talk about stopping the run
Speaker 5: and that teams so important to them. It is important
Speaker 5: to them, and they happen to have the Cowboys have
Speaker 5: a very good running back, but they are loading up
Speaker 5: all kinds of minds, all kinds of yardage on on
Speaker 5: through the air, and so the back half of that
Speaker 5: Utah defense is gonna have to play well. And I
Speaker 5: thought what we saw against Utah State showed some vulnerabilities
Speaker 5: that I didn't think we would see. However, there's the
Speaker 5: mental side of the game too, and who you're playing.
Speaker 5: I am absolutely sure that the Utes are fired up
Speaker 5: to play this game in still Water, So I don't
Speaker 5: think you'll have any lapse in focus or concentration against
Speaker 5: this kind of opponent to be physically good enough to
Speaker 5: shut that attag down.
Speaker 2: Tell me from the perspective of a season journalist like yourself.
Speaker 2: I said this earlier, intel the conference or college football
Speaker 2: excuse me, mandates that you report injuries. I understand why
Speaker 2: Kyle and his staff do what they do now, as
Speaker 2: somebody who covers the team and tries to talk to
Speaker 2: the community about the storylines, it drives me nuts that
Speaker 2: we have to deal with this.
Speaker 3: But what do you make of the dynamic in.
Speaker 2: College football juxtaposed to the pros where you have to
Speaker 2: submit the injury report, where a lot of schools, including
Speaker 2: the utes, just don't say a word in order to
Speaker 2: not tip their hand to the opponent.
Speaker 5: Well, all of college football is moving towards the professional model,
Speaker 5: and some of those things are maybe unfortunate some people
Speaker 5: see it like that, But this is one that they
Speaker 5: should change, and I think they will change. It needs
Speaker 5: to change. There's too great an interest, there's too much
Speaker 5: there's too much riding on these games for guys not
Speaker 5: to be honest about who's going to be available, because
Speaker 5: that makes a huge difference. Obviously, a guy like Cam Rising,
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me that he's not available? Yes, you
Speaker 5: have a different way of looking at a football game.
Speaker 5: I think that's only fair. It's not just fair to
Speaker 5: the gamblers. It's fair to the fans, it's fair to
Speaker 5: the media, it's fair to everybody who loves college football.
Speaker 5: Tell the truth about who's going to be available and
Speaker 5: who is it. Yeah, the NFL does that, right.
Speaker 2: Since we're in the space, I'll just ask you if
Speaker 2: it isn't Cameron, if we are if we're sitting down
Speaker 2: on the couch, if we got the TV fired up,
Speaker 2: and Utah let's say they get the opening kick, they
Speaker 2: receive it, return it and boom first first in ten
Speaker 2: Utah and then out runs eleven and not seven and
Speaker 2: it's Isaac can not Cam? Do you think they can
Speaker 2: go get That would be a big upset on the
Speaker 2: road with a true freshman in Stillwater. Do you think
Speaker 2: Utah can get this game? If it's not Cam and
Speaker 2: it is Isaac, I think it'll.
Speaker 5: Be much more difficult. And if I were Oklama State
Speaker 5: and I saw Isaac Wilson come out on that field,
Speaker 5: I would do everything I could to disrupt him and
Speaker 5: hurry him up and make him feel uncomfortable, because the
Speaker 5: strength of his game is when he does get comfortable
Speaker 5: and he sits back in that pocket and he can
Speaker 5: look around and find his targets. So I'm the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: If I see Isaac Wilson on the field, I'm going
Speaker 5: to do everything I can to to make him not
Speaker 5: just nervous but incapable at times of delivering the football.
Speaker 2: All Right, one more Utah storyline, then we'll move over
Speaker 2: to BYU. You were the guy that hopped on the
Speaker 2: show last week and said, quote, Wyoming sucks end quote,
Speaker 2: and you appear to be right, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: get your take on this.
Speaker 3: I was listening. We just talked to Bowler.
Speaker 2: I asked him this question because Joe Klatt, who Craig
Speaker 2: worked with for a number of years on the college
Speaker 2: football side, his podcast today. This is kind of his
Speaker 2: weekend preview pod, and Joel's one of the college football
Speaker 2: guys I like to listen to.
Speaker 3: I think he's really bright.
Speaker 2: And he previewed Okay, stay Utah, and then he went
Speaker 2: on a little Kyle Whittingham diatribe where he talked about
Speaker 2: and I want to get your take on this because
Speaker 2: the topic of when will Kyle retire is not new
Speaker 2: in the marketplace, and part of it is because he
Speaker 2: drops hints here or there about not wanting to coach
Speaker 2: past sixty five, or on my show a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago when he asked what my dad is up
Speaker 2: to these days, and I said he's kind of retired,
Speaker 2: spending time with the grandkids.
Speaker 3: He said, that's going to be me soon.
Speaker 2: Like Kyle does, drop little tidbits and hints, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of chumming the water a little bit. But if
Speaker 2: Utah wins the Big Twelve this year, if they go
Speaker 2: to the CFP and for the first time, coach Wit
Speaker 2: has a chance to coach a team that really has
Speaker 2: a shot to win a championship. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: Texas or Ohio State or whatever, but you understand the
Speaker 2: spirit of the question. That will mean Kyle was here
Speaker 2: from the Whack to the Mountain West, winning mount West
Speaker 2: Conference championships, from the Mound West to the Pac twelve,
Speaker 2: winning Pac twelve championships, and going to the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 2: Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and then the Cherry on top
Speaker 2: of the Sunday is a CFP appearance, and winning the
Speaker 2: Big twelve year one, it is easy to surmise that
Speaker 2: that might be enough for a guy to look at
Speaker 2: the path behind him and say, man, I did all
Speaker 2: I could. So that was kind of Joel's thinking earlier today.
Speaker 2: I wonder what you think about this, if if Utah
Speaker 2: is able to do all that, do you think this
Speaker 2: might be coach WIT's sponsong.
Speaker 5: All good logic there, because those of us who know
Speaker 5: Kyle have been talking to him about this and it's
Speaker 5: not until he's dropping. He's sincere in what he's saying.
Speaker 5: And his reasons for talking about retiring are good ones.
Speaker 5: He talks about family and listening time with them and
Speaker 5: being able to do things with his grandkids and he
Speaker 5: hasn't been able to. These are all noble reasons for
Speaker 5: him to go. He's a better football coach now than
Speaker 5: he's ever been. He's got a great program going, the
Speaker 5: whole thing is moving forward. And so some people would say, well,
Speaker 5: why would you leave this? Well, he's got other things
Speaker 5: that he might do is more important, and he's already
Speaker 5: accomplished all this stuff that you talked about. And if
Speaker 5: they do go to the playoff this year, if I
Speaker 5: were on a scale from zero to ten, ten being
Speaker 5: most likely, if they go to a college playoff and
Speaker 5: situation and represent themselves, well, I would put that number
Speaker 5: about an age.
Speaker 2: All let's move over to BYU. Do you want to
Speaker 2: spend any time on the Wyoming game. You're the one
Speaker 2: that came on air last Thursday and said Wyoming sucks,
Speaker 2: why you should roll?
Speaker 3: You were right, and they did give me your thoughts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's exactly and Wyoming's not good. And Colisataki
Speaker 5: said afterward, you know, in so many words, he said,
Speaker 5: we probably should have won by more, but he felt
Speaker 5: good about what's happening with the team moving forward. But
Speaker 5: it's so hard to judge how good they are against
Speaker 5: that kind of opponent. I mean, that team is not good.
Speaker 5: And one thing that my covering college football through years
Speaker 5: has taught me is that the caliber of competition you're
Speaker 5: going up against is this is not exactly rocket science,
Speaker 5: but it makes a huge, huge difference. Kansas State's a
Speaker 5: terrific team who and they can move the ball on
Speaker 5: the ground, and they've got a quarterback who's a dual
Speaker 5: threat guy. And those are the kinds of quarterbacks who
Speaker 5: have caused BYU a lot of trouble in the past.
Speaker 5: Wyoming just didn't have the firepower to slow BYU down
Speaker 5: and the way it was necessary even on their home field.
Speaker 5: So yeah, nice win by BYU. But this week, this
Speaker 5: week is when we really start to learn about the Cougars.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: The defense through three games has been like last year
Speaker 2: was so weird. I'm watching BYU football, I'm like, wait
Speaker 2: a second. Your head coach is Klonie Satake. You just
Speaker 2: hired Jay Hill and you're like last in the nation
Speaker 2: in sacks. It was really strange. So they've flipped that
Speaker 2: this year and they have been really good defensively. Have
Speaker 2: you seen enough from BYU on defense to believe that
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball they can hang on
Speaker 2: Saturday night against a really physical Case State team.
Speaker 5: My number one question, well maybe probably number two, behind
Speaker 5: the quarterback situation about BYU is can they pressure the quarterback?
Speaker 5: And you just address that. They surprised me in that regard.
Speaker 5: Klannie told me they were going to be able to
Speaker 5: do that, and I wasn't sure I believed him, But
Speaker 5: that is the best way to stop a gifted quarterback.
Speaker 5: Now this kids are going up against on Saturday night.
Speaker 5: You can pressure him, but he's mobile enough to move
Speaker 5: around and so I don't know how that's going to go.
Speaker 5: But that defense is going to have to be stellar
Speaker 5: for the Cougars to get a chance to win that game,
Speaker 5: and they've got to stop They've got to stop that
Speaker 5: around game because I think KSE State is averaging like
Speaker 5: almost two hundred and seventy two hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 5: a game on the ground, and so will they be
Speaker 5: able to do that well. The run defense has been
Speaker 5: pretty good thus far. We'll see how it does against
Speaker 5: a really quality opponent and.
Speaker 3: You reference this.
Speaker 2: So for me, I feel like I've seen enough from
Speaker 2: BYU's defense and the respect I have for Jay and
Speaker 2: Kolani to believe that physically they can hang with most
Speaker 2: teams in the Big twelve. KSE State might be an exception,
Speaker 2: but I think BYU is going to be fine that way.
Speaker 2: To me, Gordon, this is a Jake Retzov game. This
Speaker 2: is if BYU wants to win on Saturday in provo
Speaker 2: home field advantage, their quarterback has to be better than
Speaker 2: he has been, not just so far this year, but
Speaker 2: the four starts last year. Like in my opinion, U Y,
Speaker 2: You're about a touchdown underdog for them to pull off
Speaker 2: the upset at home.
Speaker 3: This is a Jake reetz Left game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and no turnovers are a very few mistakes. He's
Speaker 5: got to be an intelligent, proficient quarterback because they're gonna
Speaker 5: have to keep up with k State because KSE State's
Speaker 5: going to move the ball and they're going to gobble
Speaker 5: up the yardies on the ground. Even with that BYU defense,
Speaker 5: I mean, these things they're connected. That why defense can
Speaker 5: keep k State off the field offensively, then that will
Speaker 5: give obviously Jake where it's a lot more opportunity to
Speaker 5: move the ball for the Cougars. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm willing to give him a little slack. I'm willing
Speaker 5: to let him grow into that role because it's not
Speaker 5: an easy role. But when you're going up against this
Speaker 5: kind of opponent and all the fiddle faddling is done,
Speaker 5: now you go out. You got to go out and
Speaker 5: be real, play good football. It's go time for BYU.
Speaker 5: Even though they do feel comfortable because they're playing on
Speaker 5: their home field, and they should, I mean, that is
Speaker 5: an advantage, but against this quality of an opponent, they're
Speaker 5: going to have to play their best game of the
Speaker 5: season by far.
Speaker 3: And you should probably know this, Gordon.
Speaker 2: On Saturday night, the BYU the whoever's in charge of
Speaker 2: the game promotions. They've announced that they are offering the
Speaker 2: traditional maple glaze cougartail, but for Saturday night, which is
Speaker 2: also a white out, which is also known as Monday
Speaker 2: in Provo, they are offering a cougar taiale with vanilla
Speaker 2: frosting too.
Speaker 3: Does that change your opinion on how the game will
Speaker 3: go on Saturday?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's the cougar's all the way. I mean, who
Speaker 5: wouldn't want that? It's been a long time. It's been
Speaker 5: a long time since I've had a cougar taiale. But
Speaker 5: that sounds inviting to me. You know what happens is
Speaker 5: and you know how it is. In Provo utilize sugar
Speaker 5: in order to create energy because they can't really turn
Speaker 5: to other substances without breaking the honor code, so they
Speaker 5: go heavy on the sugar. It's probably less healthy than
Speaker 5: the things that are prohibited, but it's going to fire
Speaker 5: that crowd up, and maybe it'll fire up the actual
Speaker 5: players on the field too.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, All right, my friend, I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2: Safe travels, and we'll get you back in the studio soon.
Speaker 5: Okay, alrighty, next week we'll see you.
Speaker 2: The great Gordon Monson from the Solid Tribune, my co
Speaker 2: host of the Big Show for seven years, different time,
Speaker 2: different places. Appreciate Gordo's time on this Thursday afternoon. All right,
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Speaker 3: Is that six seven am?
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