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<v Speaker 1>With some bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Start time movies. Right now, you're right, right, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>right time to do one for.

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<v Speaker 1>Time with yeh it with I show you're gonna ruling it,

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<v Speaker 1>except you're simmer. We pursuing it, followed out Shaw shank

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<v Speaker 1>through the sewer, Kid, Now what chilling at the eagle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock. Got a

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<v Speaker 1>habit for my house, a goat status, Howard starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get cratic shows that up multiplied like a rabbit d

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<v Speaker 1>end zone out, creak it up, feed the habit.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanthg out. You know a friend rocking on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My boy's.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking and albinios to begin all baby baby go, Kati

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<v Speaker 3>Christine up in all that long radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Shocking news coming down today that Mike McCarthy is out

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<v Speaker 4>as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys after five seasons.

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<v Speaker 4>He and Jerry are parting ways, and I gotta say

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<v Speaker 4>I'm incredibly surprised. After the Cowboys said no, Mike, you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Interview with the Bears. We're not giving them permission, they

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<v Speaker 2>proceeded to negotiate. I guess through. I guess through today.

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<v Speaker 4>I think his deal expires tomorrow and decided, Hey, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think we can come to an agreement here, let's

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<v Speaker 4>part ways. And so the most shocking thing about it

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<v Speaker 4>is it's a whole new level of dysfunction that they

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<v Speaker 4>the Cowboys, weren't even allowed to talk to the guys

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<v Speaker 4>who are coaching on playoff teams because they spent that

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<v Speaker 4>whole time negotiating with a guy that they weren't going

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<v Speaker 4>to keep. Yeah, and I think, on top of that,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you not get your man? Like? In other words,

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<v Speaker 4>what they're really telling you is, we don't even care

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<v Speaker 4>who the man is. We may or may not get

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<v Speaker 4>this guy who knows Like, think about that. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>when do you negotiate with a coach that you want

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<v Speaker 4>and not get him? That doesn't happen. So they clearly

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want him. But then that means that if he'd

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<v Speaker 4>accepted their terms, they would have taken the guy they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want, right, What the hell part of me thinks

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<v Speaker 4>they want Witten? But Witten's not going to be available

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<v Speaker 4>till his kids a graduate or whatever. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>he's got two more years left, like with his one

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<v Speaker 4>of his kids is a phenom, right or both?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure on the kids. I know there's one

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<v Speaker 5>in one or two in high school. I will say

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<v Speaker 5>that Nick Harris of the Fourth Star Telegram did right,

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<v Speaker 5>and his piece of just kind of throwing on a

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<v Speaker 5>much candidates is says, regardless of if Witton lands the

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<v Speaker 5>head coaching job, it's widely expected that he will be

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<v Speaker 5>on the Cowboys staff in twenty twenty five and some

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<v Speaker 5>from Nick Harris at the Telegrams fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, that's good, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Wouldn't you want him if you're eventually going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the coach, wouldn't you want him to have some staff

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<v Speaker 4>work first?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And maybe that's why.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe McCarthy's like, wait, you want me to sit here

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<v Speaker 4>and groom witting, like you want me to take a

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<v Speaker 4>two year deal. I can go get a four or

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<v Speaker 4>five year deal. I don't need a two year and

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<v Speaker 4>and Jerry's like, Wade did it. Well, let's uh, let's

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<v Speaker 4>backtrack second, because the.

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<v Speaker 5>The Cowboys put out a statement and cool Jerry said,

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<v Speaker 5>prior to reaching the point of contract negotiations, it became

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<v Speaker 5>mutually mutually clear that it would be better for each

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<v Speaker 5>of us to head in a different direction. So what

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<v Speaker 5>is contract negotiations is that money or is that length?

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<v Speaker 4>It's both because or or it could be roll yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>right could could it could also be hey, look, we

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<v Speaker 4>want to have somebody else call plays offensively.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the guys who's tight with McCarthy has

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<v Speaker 5>been since screen based, Tom Pellisero the NFL network.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what he just said. He's also a sparkling drinker. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so yes, pedaci u plegro.

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<v Speaker 5>Contract negotiations are by definition and exchange of bargaining proposals

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<v Speaker 5>as opposed to the informal talks. The bottom line is

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<v Speaker 5>that as the size is discussed how to move forward,

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<v Speaker 5>they couldn't agree on contract length. And now I've parted ways,

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<v Speaker 5>Jerry said two years and the same amount of money

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<v Speaker 5>I was paying.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Right, I think I think Skin's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 4>The biggest and most embarrassing thing is they decided, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>if we can get this guy for just a few

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<v Speaker 4>amount of years below market value, will get him. And

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<v Speaker 4>then they couldn't, And now they didn't get the guy.

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<v Speaker 4>They're telling you and we knew it. We knew it,

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<v Speaker 4>But they're telling you we don't really value that right,

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<v Speaker 4>We're and we're not willing to pay top dollar for

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<v Speaker 4>someone that's really good at it, and it's why they've

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<v Speaker 4>sucked for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. That's not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not sucked.

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<v Speaker 4>It's why they have not been good enough to do

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<v Speaker 4>big things because when you get to this level, there's

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<v Speaker 4>no spare coaches. It's very rare that spare coaches get

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<v Speaker 4>you to the highest levels. There's like, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have the talent, you have to have the health, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to have the system, and you have to have

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<v Speaker 4>the coaching. All those things work in concert, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they don't put a premium on the coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't.

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<v Speaker 5>They haven't done an extensive coaching search in eighteen years, because.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what you do, and you do an extensive

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<v Speaker 4>coaching search, you go outside your little liddy bitty circle

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<v Speaker 4>and you get other opinions and you understand what trends

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<v Speaker 4>are happening in the game, the best way in any sport.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean this, in any sport, the best way to understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dude, our friend John Daniels, when he left the Rangers,

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<v Speaker 4>he went and spent some time with the Marlins, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and was immediately like, oh, here I am

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<v Speaker 4>in a situation learning from some people that are doing

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<v Speaker 4>great things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know everything. For the raise, oh the raise,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm sure, I'm fish based Florida team. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my bad.

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<v Speaker 4>And so my whole point is that if you just

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<v Speaker 4>stay in your own little circle, which is what the

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<v Speaker 4>Cowboys do, the game evolves and goes elsewhere. And they

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<v Speaker 4>don't do extensive searches, they don't go interact with other circles.

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<v Speaker 4>They they're in their own little orbit. And that's why

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<v Speaker 4>they haven't had high level success and one of the

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<v Speaker 4>reasons they haven't had a high level success in a

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<v Speaker 4>really long time.

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<v Speaker 5>But by your tone, I sense that you're saying today

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<v Speaker 5>is a bad thing. No, no, no, today is just fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But its status quo because they're gonna go get Riverboat

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<v Speaker 4>Ron or they're gonna get some guy that somebody else

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<v Speaker 4>at North Turner knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be what any

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<v Speaker 2>of us want. It's just okay. So I'll put it

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<v Speaker 2>to you like this.

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<v Speaker 4>I decided I wanted McCarthy gone midway through the season,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was convinced it was gonna be Belichick, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think Belichick really wanted the job.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't rull that out.

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<v Speaker 4>And I thought the Cowboys were very sick of McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 4>But then you started hearing stuff is the season on.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I think he's staying. And so the

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<v Speaker 4>way that they approached it by not firing him immediately,

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<v Speaker 4>that made me think, all right, they want to keep McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of sold myself on the up side

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 4>And now they botched that, and so they missed the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to interview any of these playoff coaches. So they

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<v Speaker 4>still they were gonna keep McCarthy and they don't even

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<v Speaker 4>value him that much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the playoff coaches, I do think if those guys

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<v Speaker 5>are starting going okay, but the Cowboys very much think, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you'll come to the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw. It's a small sample size.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's a poll in the Athletic Today where five NFL

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<v Speaker 5>coaches were asked at the remaining jobs's which one is

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<v Speaker 5>the most like, the most desirable. Four of the five

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<v Speaker 5>guys said the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>Another guy like.

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<v Speaker 5>To like the So I think the Cowboys like we'll interview,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll interview, Like I don't think they're gonna interview Ben

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<v Speaker 5>Johnson but I'm just using that as a name, and

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<v Speaker 5>they're like, well, we'll interview into you two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll come to us. We're the cowboys. Those are always

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<v Speaker 2>better than you. I'll interview Kellen. Is that a Kellen Kellen?

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<v Speaker 4>I think Kellen's happened. I think Kellen's the leader in

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<v Speaker 4>the club back too. Is there a way I think they?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a way for him in and to work together?

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<v Speaker 2>Like could Witten work under Kellen?

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<v Speaker 1>Moore?

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<v Speaker 2>Burward?

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<v Speaker 4>Kellen know that, Okay, he's gonna take my job in

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years, just like McCarthy would have known

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<v Speaker 4>that with a short deal.

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<v Speaker 5>To me, Witten needs to come in and be the

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<v Speaker 5>quarterback coach or the wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes all the sense in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Why couldn't he be the offensive coordinator under a guy

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<v Speaker 4>named under a guy out like Kellen? He would he

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<v Speaker 4>could be Yeah, he'd be offense. He could, just like

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<v Speaker 4>Schottenheimer was a ordinator under. It make all the sense

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<v Speaker 4>of the world. But we're not talking about a sensical organization. No.

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<v Speaker 2>They do whatever they want and they are so dysfunctional.

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<v Speaker 5>And this the thing is, if we're gonna talk Kellen,

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<v Speaker 5>we should say we should throw Cliff in there in

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<v Speaker 5>the mix. I don't think Clif's a great fit here

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<v Speaker 5>with Dak who can't move anymore. But how much of

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<v Speaker 5>this is Jerry watching these games yesterday and Kellen and

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<v Speaker 5>Cliff advance.

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<v Speaker 2>In your division? They advance.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the most painful thing of all of me that

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<v Speaker 4>might have been a part of this. Here's the most

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<v Speaker 4>painful thing of all of it, all of it. If

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<v Speaker 4>you had just made the decision last year when they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't go, when they didn't do crap in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 4>you could have Dan and Kellen here together right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Quinn who everyone loves. Yeah, the problem is you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be hiring a head coach. You just gave up forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight points in a playoff loss. I mean that's the yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's why it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean you've got to You've got to understand

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<v Speaker 4>what you have. Isn't that what Jerry just said after

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<v Speaker 4>Week seventeen, when the Hay is in the barn, like

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't know what they had with dan Quinn at

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<v Speaker 4>Washington knew what you had.

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<v Speaker 2>They went and got him and look at him, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this just kind of it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>making some decisions.

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<v Speaker 4>Just kind of got to you have you have to

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<v Speaker 4>be convicted and know what you want. That's right, it's

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<v Speaker 4>and you know why do you know how? You know

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<v Speaker 4>they're not convicted because the man in charge loves to

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<v Speaker 4>say that he's got a lot of tolerance for ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 4>He loves not knowing what's gonna happen next and not

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<v Speaker 4>having a plan and then deciding after things or right

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<v Speaker 4>there on your doorstep.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, life is challenging. We'll just make something happen when

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<v Speaker 4>This is why they have a ten billion dollar valuation.

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<v Speaker 4>They are all about the marketing, the buzz. They're all

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<v Speaker 4>about being in the headlines. They're all about being talked about.

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<v Speaker 4>That is way more important than winning. They don't care

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<v Speaker 4>about a winning culture, so they don't care about going

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<v Speaker 4>and getting the most qualified coach. They want the soap

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<v Speaker 4>opera because the soap opera sells. That's why there's a

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<v Speaker 4>ten billion dollar valuation. The priority is not winning football games.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying they're not trying to win. I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>saying they love this stuff. They love being in the headlines.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the answer there are some sexy plays here

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<v Speaker 5>if they wanted to go that route, Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>the sexiest of all is Dion, of course, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna happen. But I think Ben Johnson is the

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<v Speaker 5>is one that would make the NFL go Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 5>ain't gonna happen, and the sexiest gonna come here.

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<v Speaker 4>The sexiest play is Jimmy, Yeah, of course, getting Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>The sexiest playing at things.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Witten is a sexy play. It's way too early,

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<v Speaker 4>but I could see him doing it, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I promise you. If Jason Witten's not so and they're

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<v Speaker 4>going I'm not qualified for that, he's looking at going hell, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I could do that. Give me that job if you want.

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<v Speaker 4>If he really wants Witting but he's not ready to

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<v Speaker 4>hire Witten, then I think what And I'm sorry, but

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<v Speaker 4>if you haven't said it on the are yet, but

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking earlier. If you really want Witt, and then

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<v Speaker 4>Zimmer is your head coach. If you don't think Witten

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<v Speaker 4>is ready yet, but you want him, you hire him

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<v Speaker 4>to come in here and be your offensive coordinator, and

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<v Speaker 4>after sitting on the sidelines for four years or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And keep in mind, I've had conversation. It's been a

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't return my text, But you know, a long

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<v Speaker 4>time ago I talked to Jason Witten after his playing

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<v Speaker 4>like that's all he thinks about, is how to come

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<v Speaker 4>up with innovative offensive plays. Like that's his passion, so

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<v Speaker 4>he wants to do that in the league. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if that's changed, but that's what's that's his path.

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<v Speaker 4>That was at one time, that's really what he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, who knows what there. They may either be

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<v Speaker 5>This could have been a thing where McCarthy bowed up

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<v Speaker 5>to They might I just thought McCarthy's gonna do what

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<v Speaker 5>have been like, the hell with that, my contract's up tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm out, And that could have happened. I personally think

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<v Speaker 5>McCarthy would have taken pretty much anything that was offered

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<v Speaker 4>That sounds like you didn't it sounds like he didn't,

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<v Speaker 4>especially if it's his guy that's putting out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like to say something and his guy's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>But he's being specific. He's talking about contract link. That's

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<v Speaker 4>an indication that they talked about something. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>it all goes back to probably what we're kicking around.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, I personally don't think Mike McCarthy. I'll just

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<v Speaker 4>let me just be fair and say, Mike McCarthy's the

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<v Speaker 4>third winning US coach in Cowboy history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think he's a great fit here.

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<v Speaker 4>But but what I'm saying is, despite having forty nine

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<v Speaker 4>wins in five years, I don't think he's earned a

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<v Speaker 4>long contract extension. I think if they say, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 4>think you deserve another chance, but you deserve two years

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<v Speaker 4>to get it done, and if you don't get it done,

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<v Speaker 4>to me, that would scream, hey man, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go somewhere where I really have a

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<v Speaker 4>To me, if it's contract linked, I feel like that

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<v Speaker 4>the Cowboys are showing that they don't value.

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<v Speaker 2>Him very much, not offering him a long term deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But if he got it done within two years, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>get a big old deal.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, because of all these things that we're bitching about

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<v Speaker 5>about Jerry, because of that, as a big part of

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<v Speaker 5>for the Cowboys because they should be above that, because

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<v Speaker 5>the things we're bitching about, we think they should be

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<v Speaker 5>above that.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not, and they're not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And that's my point is, like McCarthy is, go

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<v Speaker 5>build a program somewhere. Okay, Bear Saints makes sense, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I win now, head coach, the most spicy candidate, you

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<v Speaker 5>know that you could go get go get him who's

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that is what should make sense for.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing, right, so, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson, it should

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<v Speaker 4>make sense if he's like, I want twelve million a

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<v Speaker 4>year or whatever it is, and I'll go to the

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<v Speaker 4>Cowboys and I want autonomy, I want to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to be in charge.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go buy the groceries. They should go

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But the reason they don't is because then Jerry wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be allowed to play with his toy he'll Ben Johnson

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<v Speaker 4>will be the coach of the Bears and he'll turn

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<v Speaker 4>it around year one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that anyone can turn the Bears around.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just me being hopeful. You don't believe in

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<v Speaker 4>Who is who is the next Cowboys head coach that

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<v Speaker 4>would have you the most excited? Me personally Ben Johnson,

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't think he personally would come here right

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<v Speaker 4>same for you, KT, I'm in it for fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Give me Gruden and we missed the nostalgic, misogynistic nostalgia

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<v Speaker 5>of the nineties. The guys here, I would say, also,

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay for me. For me, I would want Ben Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's the best guy for the job. He's

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<v Speaker 4>the next guy you should go. Make him one of

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<v Speaker 1>Get him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not hot happening. I could.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Kellen Moore is the way they'll go. I

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<v Speaker 4>think Cliff will is interested in the gig and we'll

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<v Speaker 4>be a candidate. But the one I would want is

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<v Speaker 4>witting the unqualified one. That's just a crazy wild card.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be fun. That would be so much fun, wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a guy straight out of high school?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>Has that ever happened?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not a lot of like badass players have coached

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<v Speaker 4>high school either.

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<v Speaker 5>And Jeff Saturday went from the TV booth to the

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<v Speaker 5>that was That was mid season though, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>at four o'clock that we haven't gotten to yet though.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is interesting and they need a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>And that'll be at four tenth, Like Andy Reid.

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<v Speaker 4>I guarantee you if they're not already talking to Witten,

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<v Speaker 4>I bet Whitton's blowing them up. And he's got the

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<v Speaker 4>his call, all right. Coming up next in the Hollywood Shuffle,

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<v Speaker 4>where were going? Kt Ben went to a big show

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<v Speaker 4>in the Metroplex this weekend. We'll get his review plus

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<v Speaker 4>there are a couple of big music debths we need

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