Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY Kostin's Me Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, I appreciate it. Six p seven ten
Speaker 2: thirty is the number here still to come of the program.
Speaker 2: We are going to go to Hollywood. We are going
Speaker 2: to talk about the oscars. Odie Henderson joins us from
Speaker 2: the Globe on who should get what? And then our
Speaker 2: conservative friend from the West Coast, Yes, he is the unicorn,
Speaker 2: he's the moderate. Sem Metler joins us from Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: That's all coming up at eleven o'clock and joining us
Speaker 2: right now he's David Alcott, and we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about what's going on with Canada and Mexico. I mean,
Speaker 2: are is there going to be a battle at the border, David?
Speaker 2: Or is Trump now looking like a genius because the
Speaker 2: two sides are talking and to just kind of set
Speaker 2: it over everybody. You know, Trump wanted the church twenty
Speaker 2: five percent tariff for Canada twenty five percent of Mexico.
Speaker 2: Now Mexico's sending ten grand, ten thousand soldiers to stop
Speaker 2: the drugs, and now Trudeau wants to talk to Trump.
Speaker 2: So where are we at right now with this?
Speaker 3: Well, we're getting a witness for maybe the first time
Speaker 3: in our lifetime is this very high stakes negotiation poker,
Speaker 3: if you will, And that's what's being played out writing
Speaker 3: in the midst of all these things happening, and something
Speaker 3: is probably should have happened for a long time, but
Speaker 3: become the ministration is getting it done.
Speaker 2: Which is it? Yeah, I mean you have to wait
Speaker 2: and see what happens, obviously, I mean, you know, because
Speaker 2: we'll see what But he comes out, guns blaring and
Speaker 2: he says that's it. And when I saw, when I
Speaker 2: saw the twenty five percent, I was like, that's not
Speaker 2: gonna happen. Something's got to give. So I'm not surprised
Speaker 2: we'll get to China in a minute. But I mean, so,
Speaker 2: what what do you think at the end of the
Speaker 2: day happens, Because right now he's talking about the drug
Speaker 2: trade right, which I think is impossible to stop. You
Speaker 2: could have a million soldiers at the border because of
Speaker 2: addiction in America. I don't know if you're or around
Speaker 2: the world. I don't know if you're ever going to
Speaker 2: stop it. But because the cartel are on Mexico right
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, I mean, what's the end
Speaker 2: game here? Does it really work.
Speaker 3: Well with that really high powered negotiation. You've got to
Speaker 3: have this leverage between them because the terriffs aren't really
Speaker 3: the leverage he's playing with that from my standpoint, and
Speaker 3: the real thing is what does Mexico really want out
Speaker 3: of this? What are they Okay, they don't want terrorists,
Speaker 3: because that's going to really impact their ability to be
Speaker 3: able to send imports and explorer supports. But their real
Speaker 3: things that are after is the manufacturing jobs that are
Speaker 3: coming from China. Because the world is changing right now,
Speaker 3: it's such a dramatic fashion, so all those manufacturing jobs
Speaker 3: that we've had across the world are now being focused
Speaker 3: on Canada and Mexico, and that's what they really want.
Speaker 3: All those jobs keep those politicians in power. Getting those
Speaker 3: jobs over those parts of the country are just huge
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 2: Do jobs in Mexico help their battle against the drug trade?
Speaker 3: Well, yes, that's exactly what the hope is. But there's
Speaker 3: a lot of intrenched stuff that we have to be
Speaker 3: able to do with the drug The first thing from
Speaker 3: my perspective, is be able to stop the cartel managing
Speaker 3: those things in our own country, in our own forests.
Speaker 3: We've really got to take a look at that first.
Speaker 2: Well you explained so.
Speaker 3: Right now, a lot of the drug trade that's being produced,
Speaker 3: or the marijuana use that's legal in our country, from
Speaker 3: my understanding, is that as being actually created in our
Speaker 3: natural forests. People have run into these these places over
Speaker 3: and over again and they're like, hey, why are the
Speaker 3: cartels across the border in our forests actually creating these
Speaker 3: kind of cannabis sanctuaries? And how do we stop those? First?
Speaker 2: Well, how do you stop Yeah, because it's legal, how
Speaker 2: do you stop it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Who is running those things? Because a lot of the
Speaker 3: cartels aren't, you know, focusing on the different things that
Speaker 3: are making you know, marijuana safer Americans. If we're going
Speaker 3: to use it, let's make sure it's safe and run
Speaker 3: through the proper channels, not being run by an outside
Speaker 3: organization that uses all kinds of wild chemicals and everything else.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's true. I mean, but you
Speaker 2: know the cocaine Listen, as long as I've been alive
Speaker 2: that the people, I mean, I've never used it. It
Speaker 2: scares the listen. I'm not a saint by any stretch.
Speaker 2: I certainly drank enough beer to choke a dinosaur. But
Speaker 2: you know, and I think it's all the same, you know.
Speaker 2: I think people that look at alcohol, it's all it's
Speaker 2: all numbing, it's all medication. So but like the cocaine stuff,
Speaker 2: it just won't go away. I mean they Mexico makes
Speaker 2: so much damn money on it, it just will not
Speaker 2: It just will not go away. The addiction is crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's some conversations about you know that
Speaker 3: Mexico doesn't want to stop the way of that trade either,
Speaker 3: because that's such a big part of the ability to
Speaker 3: be able to pay off debt. So lots of conversations
Speaker 3: to be able to have about it. It's really just
Speaker 3: starting at our borders.
Speaker 2: First, David, I don't follow you on that. The cocaine
Speaker 2: trade helps the country of Mexico pay off debt.
Speaker 3: So income coming in from that starts to help out
Speaker 3: the economy in those countries, right.
Speaker 2: Right, because the cars will spend money in Mexico, all right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and then that money transfers up into the government,
Speaker 3: you know, and that gets the day off those debts
Speaker 3: and they have huge that's for the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, So what do you think is
Speaker 2: going on with China? The ten percent there. What's his
Speaker 2: motivation with that?
Speaker 3: Well, I definitely think that, you know, being in alignments
Speaker 3: to Mexico and Canada are a little easier fixed because
Speaker 3: they want those manufacturing jobs. Those jobs are leaving China
Speaker 3: right now. So what's what's the leverage point? The tariffs
Speaker 3: aren't enough? What does China really want is the question?
Speaker 3: And that's the big unknown is what is the trumb
Speaker 3: administration going to be able to give to the Chinese
Speaker 3: folks to be able to pay not do these tariffs
Speaker 3: in place of this And that's still the big question.
Speaker 2: Well, but also ten percent if you pass it. Look
Speaker 2: if when teriffs are implemented, it's always passed along to
Speaker 2: the consumer, twenty five percent is a big chunk. But
Speaker 2: if you want to buy imported goods from China, is
Speaker 2: ten percent a deal breaker?
Speaker 3: Well it's It was twenty five percent for the other
Speaker 3: two right that made it really stand up? Why only
Speaker 3: ten percent for China? And that's an interesting dynamic that
Speaker 3: are really I'll know the answer to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it just I don't think they have the
Speaker 2: same negotiating Obviously, Trump doesn't have the leverage with China
Speaker 2: that he had with the other two countries, I would agree, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's something going on there. But because
Speaker 2: as Americans were so damn spoiled, we even when we
Speaker 2: don't have the money, we pay for it. That's why
Speaker 2: the credit card companies are killing us, you know, so
Speaker 2: or we're killing ourselves, I should say, But I just
Speaker 2: think goods, you know, ten percent is I think. I
Speaker 2: just think people will pay for it. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that will do for Trump in that regard.
Speaker 2: Is there any angle here that he's doing this to
Speaker 2: create jobs in America?
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what you know of all of
Speaker 3: our apologistically wants how to bring those jobs back to America.
Speaker 3: So it's really about focusing on Okay, if the manufacturing
Speaker 3: is really changing costs globally and starting to be able
Speaker 3: to start fundally focusing in Mexico and Canada, how do
Speaker 3: we continue to bring those jobs here when we have
Speaker 3: a workforce that really doesn't want a lot of those jobs.
Speaker 3: So that becomes our next issue.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we do that, then, yeah, that's a problem
Speaker 2: because if you know, when I've talked to people in
Speaker 2: the service industry, for example, Okay, there are people in
Speaker 2: America without jobs that will not work in the service industry. Yes,
Speaker 2: they refuse to. They'd rather take unemployment or lie. Right,
Speaker 2: So you know, do you have to create? And if
Speaker 2: you take a look at companies that are international companies
Speaker 2: and they can make the product cheaper overseas than in America.
Speaker 2: I think it's a tough it's a tough road ahead
Speaker 2: for the president.
Speaker 3: And now I'm going to say word is probably going
Speaker 3: to get me in troubled with a lot of the listeners.
Speaker 3: But this is where the immigration conversation finally comes down.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's a tease, and we're going to
Speaker 2: tell you about that next because that's a big issue too. Okay,
Speaker 2: David Walcott is David Alcott. I'm sorry, David is joining us.
Speaker 2: The book is Sorts of Illumination. Check it out on Amazon.
Speaker 2: What with David Coming up next on WBC.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, Garian for day Tonight six four thirty. The author
Speaker 2: of Sorts of Illumination, a book about how to give
Speaker 2: back that feeling of a sense of destiny. David Alcott.
Speaker 2: That sounds really.
Speaker 3: Deep, Yes, sir, it is. It's took me a long
Speaker 3: time to write that.
Speaker 2: Before we get back to the talk, what exactly is
Speaker 2: it about? Why should I read it?
Speaker 3: So so many of us are are walking through this
Speaker 3: life with a sense of Hey, what went wrong here?
Speaker 3: What's what's this life really about? And that book is
Speaker 3: really thirty five years that I've been really focusing on
Speaker 3: finding out what this place is really about. And it's
Speaker 3: really about finding out how to not change the world necessarily,
Speaker 3: but to change your experience of the world we're having.
Speaker 3: Those people are very successful on this planet then have
Speaker 3: this incredible ability to create their own identity and then
Speaker 3: start really living that life based upon that identity, which
Speaker 3: is very different from how most of us live by
Speaker 3: the whim or reaction to people's events in their lives.
Speaker 4: Stuff like this.
Speaker 3: People really want to get back to being who they
Speaker 3: really are, creating that sense of destiny. That's the book
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of concentration. You have to turn
Speaker 2: out the noise, you really do, because listen, if you
Speaker 2: have to shut out the noise from your relatives, you
Speaker 2: know you got to turn out the noise. Look, you're
Speaker 2: talking about a guy who left a small town in
Speaker 2: Maine to be a broadcaster in Boston and you know,
Speaker 2: nobody thinks you could have what you're kidding me, You're
Speaker 2: gonna shut out the noise. Yeah. Anyways, So it's a
Speaker 2: good book. Check it out. Have I read it? No,
Speaker 2: But you know we like Dave all right, So let's
Speaker 2: get back to the tariffs here. You now you just
Speaker 2: mentioned the I word immigration. Is that all? How how
Speaker 2: does this all tie you away?
Speaker 3: So it's interesting because making connections is what we really
Speaker 3: do here at Samurai Success, helping business owners really see
Speaker 3: the connection because connections really help you with comprehension to
Speaker 3: truly understand something so you can apply it. So these
Speaker 3: connections that we're talking about, it's like, how does immigration
Speaker 3: have anything to do with interest rates? Inflation and this
Speaker 3: this whole thing we've been dealing with, and it's actually connected.
Speaker 3: And that's why when you see some of these graphs
Speaker 3: of the last administration pouring all these immigrants in here,
Speaker 3: is because a lot of the jobs that people just
Speaker 3: do not want to have. Let me give you an example, landscaping, right.
Speaker 3: Landscaping is one of those things that a lot of
Speaker 3: the workforce just doesn't want to deal today it's too
Speaker 3: hods to call whatever it looks like. And the immigration
Speaker 3: force takes over those jobs, which then lowers that price again.
Speaker 3: So the consumer then is dealing with a really high price.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to do It's a blind demand, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you have a whole labor force now
Speaker 3: wanting to do that job. The prices come back to
Speaker 3: something that's.
Speaker 2: More for I'll tell you in my town, the people
Speaker 2: that you talk about landscaping, some of the contractors that
Speaker 2: I've used immigrants and I paid them very well. Phenomenal work, ethic, phenomenal, unbelievable,
Speaker 2: great work. Phenomenal work that that, and they're they're they're excited,
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity to do it. You can't. You can't
Speaker 2: be grudge them. I mean you really can't. It's like
Speaker 2: I call, you know, I'll call my contractor immediately he's there. Look,
Speaker 2: he's not cheap, it's fair, but they're doing the work.
Speaker 2: You know, how does this how does this How does
Speaker 2: this affect America long term? This work ethic? I talked
Speaker 2: to a consultant once from one of the big firms.
Speaker 2: I can't remember, uh the name of it. If you
Speaker 2: know something something that's something that if you hire him
Speaker 2: a cost an arm and a leg out of a
Speaker 2: skyscraper in New York. And he felt, if our work
Speaker 2: ethic didn't change with this generation, our place in the
Speaker 2: world is in jeopardy. Is that an over statement?
Speaker 3: I don't think it is. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I think that's why you're seeing so much pressure on
Speaker 3: machine technology and machine intelligence, because we're looking at these
Speaker 3: robots to save our labor force. And the big challenge
Speaker 3: for us, of course, is the demographics. I mean, kids
Speaker 3: today are very different. When it came to us, we
Speaker 3: identified work as our identity who we are, you know,
Speaker 3: our ability to work and make money and do all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and theirs is so different. They're wanting to
Speaker 3: go to work, get a paycheck, and so they can
Speaker 3: go and do some kind of other experience. Their identity
Speaker 3: isn't tied to this.
Speaker 2: I had a student I was teaching Todd at Emerson
Speaker 2: as well, and this person I had connected and with
Speaker 2: the podcast and they could do some podcasts and get
Speaker 2: some experience. And I said, you know, would you like
Speaker 2: to do an additional one so it would be like
Speaker 2: maybe four a week, And they said, oh no, no,
Speaker 2: I need some time off, and I would what we
Speaker 2: have just spoiled this generation. And I'm trying to like
Speaker 2: go doing about face a little bit in my house,
Speaker 2: but we have totally. Yeah, we've screwed this generation up.
Speaker 2: I think I blame the parents. We have been way
Speaker 2: too easy on them, way too easy.
Speaker 3: Let me add to that mixture of that stuff. Let's
Speaker 3: imagine you're you're a smart kid. And by the way,
Speaker 3: these kids aren't unintelligent, man.
Speaker 2: They're no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: And so now you're a child, right, and you watch
Speaker 3: your mom and dad come home, or your mom or
Speaker 3: your single tell whatever it is, they come home and
Speaker 3: all they do is complain about work. What do you
Speaker 3: think that teaches us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Very I mean, seriously, we have done this to ourselves, right,
Speaker 3: We've got to take responsibility for getting back on track.
Speaker 3: That's the misty element.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, No, you're absolutely right. They hear us
Speaker 2: bitch all the time and so forth, and and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's an excellent point. I didn't I didn't think
Speaker 2: about that. I didn't we talk about.
Speaker 4: We don't go on vacation.
Speaker 3: Has been years since I've had a vacation. I never
Speaker 3: have enough and these kids are listening. We have taught
Speaker 3: them exactly to be the kids they are today, the
Speaker 3: men and women.
Speaker 2: Well, we also there's also a feeling that you can
Speaker 2: be twenty three or twenty four before you move out
Speaker 2: of the house, or you know, or twenty three or
Speaker 2: twenty four before you're off the payroll. You know. I
Speaker 2: mean that's got to stop. You know that that to me,
Speaker 2: that that that that gets a little crazy. Back to
Speaker 2: the I just had this quite on the immigration thing. Now,
Speaker 2: the Democrats will point out to Obama deported a lot
Speaker 2: of people, Biden deported a lot of people, and now
Speaker 2: obviously Trump is you know, running rampant here doing it.
Speaker 2: Are those fair comments? Is Trump doing anything differently as
Speaker 2: opposed to past administrations.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's been again just a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks into his administration kind of stuff, But this is
Speaker 3: what he ran on and he has a clear mandate
Speaker 3: which he's following through with so far. Just says I'm
Speaker 3: going to start taking the folks that did not go
Speaker 3: into the proper channels and a realistic immigration policy, and
Speaker 3: we're going to return you back to your countries, and
Speaker 3: you're going to take them and it's just something we
Speaker 3: haven't seen before.
Speaker 2: Well we haven't seen it to this degree, but past
Speaker 2: administrations are claiming that they did the same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they just didn't publicize it.
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is what he does. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is I mean he's P. T. Barnum. Yeactly, I
Speaker 2: mean that this is exactly what he does. Did you
Speaker 2: see the movie The Apprentice? I did unbelievable, very much.
Speaker 2: You have to watch it, people, And I understand it's Hollywood.
Speaker 2: We understand it's been dramatized and so forth. But I
Speaker 2: do believe the spine is pretty accurate and this guy
Speaker 2: has been did not. I mean the first thing that
Speaker 2: they talk about in the film that he learns from
Speaker 2: Roy Cohen is deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. It
Speaker 2: hasn't changed. It hasn't changed, listen, deny, deny, deny, deny.
Speaker 2: And he just got elected again. Not only did he
Speaker 2: get elected the first time, not having any government experience,
Speaker 2: he got bounced and then got elected again by deny, deny, deny.
Speaker 2: If people haven't watched it, at you Apprentice, you have
Speaker 2: to watch it. I understand it's a movie, but there's
Speaker 2: some truth to it. Don't you think I would agree? Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's just absolutely laughable. All right,
Speaker 2: So what should we look at down the road? What's
Speaker 2: coming down the road? What do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, we're definitely in you know, is I think the
Speaker 3: conversation that's having is this this level of cast we're
Speaker 3: going to be dealing with. We're going to be dealing
Speaker 3: with this for a while. And business owners specifically, how
Speaker 3: this affects us is that opportunity really exists in this
Speaker 3: place of chaos. And that's the real message you like
Speaker 3: to share with people, is that, yes, there's going to
Speaker 3: be craziness that you're not used to, that we've never
Speaker 3: seen anything like this before. And yet if you're really,
Speaker 3: really wise about this, you can really take advantage of
Speaker 3: this and really be able to help them be in
Speaker 3: service people in your business. That's the real great message.
Speaker 2: So you see an opportunity.
Speaker 3: I see a huge opportunity in the next four years,
Speaker 3: huge opportunity.
Speaker 2: Can you be a little more specific? I don't know
Speaker 2: if you can't because you're talking about it in such
Speaker 2: a broad sense, but can you give me some specific
Speaker 2: ideas or examples.
Speaker 3: Well, you can already see that the Wall Street what
Speaker 3: is reacting to today, of course, right the ups and
Speaker 3: downs and things like this. And I will tell you
Speaker 3: every great investor we've ever studied has made more money
Speaker 3: and downturns than they have an upturns. So there's a
Speaker 3: very very interesting perspective right there, this wild roller coaster,
Speaker 3: that there's opportunity in that. You just have to spend time.
Speaker 3: And like you said earlier areas is you've got to
Speaker 3: just break the noise. Why you're being so successful as
Speaker 3: life is you got away from everybody else's chatter about you, Gary,
Speaker 3: You've got to figure out who you are and what
Speaker 3: you want in this lifetime, and that's when opportunity shows
Speaker 3: itself to you.
Speaker 2: So Bilo sell high perfect. I mean, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: as old as the hills. But yeah, it's true. Yeah
Speaker 2: that now more than ever. I mean, And that's something
Speaker 2: I tell my son, you know where I go, just
Speaker 2: turn in my kids, Just turn out the noise. You
Speaker 2: got to pay your bills, obviously, but just just just
Speaker 2: turn out, definitely turn out the noise. And my kid,
Speaker 2: my kid at seventeen, was looking at the market. I said, dude,
Speaker 2: I go I don't. That's one thing I will tell
Speaker 2: this generation. And I've told my kids, look at the
Speaker 2: stock market. Take any money that you have and start
Speaker 2: investing as soon as you can, because I don't know
Speaker 2: how you're going to make extra money. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how you're going to get ahead. You can get
Speaker 2: into sales and you can make big commissions, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if you don't play the stock market from
Speaker 2: when you're eighteen and put them in it, I don't
Speaker 2: know how people are going to get ahead. Are you
Speaker 2: going to work overtime? Is there going to be overtime
Speaker 2: with AI? Will there be double overtime for people? I
Speaker 2: mean I come from a town where we had a
Speaker 2: paper mill that people with a high school education could
Speaker 2: work double time on Sunday. They were union. That meant
Speaker 2: they made forty dollars an hour on a Sunday. Those
Speaker 2: days are gone, am I right?
Speaker 3: The greats are agreed. Well, you gotta just you gotta
Speaker 3: get for the business owner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have to people. People have to
Speaker 2: look at them student. Young people have to look at
Speaker 2: themselves as an individual, corporation or entity. Yes, maybe I
Speaker 2: should write a book perfect all right, Well you should
Speaker 2: check it out Source of Illumination. David Arcott Samurai for
Speaker 2: success and I really appreciate you coming on, and we'll
Speaker 2: do it again down the road whenever I'm filling in.
Speaker 3: Tom's very okay, I'm great. Thanks for having me on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: You got it. David Allcott with us here on wb
Speaker 2: some calls to get ahead to ten o'clock. We're gonna
Speaker 2: do some oscars. Baby. You guys know I love the movies.
Speaker 2: Tom in West Virginia, West Virginia, not Virginia, West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Coming up next on WBZ.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan on WBZ Boston's news.
Speaker 2: Radio by Garian for Dan tonight six one, seven, two,
Speaker 2: four thirty. I would like to thank Dave Alcott for
Speaker 2: coming on talking about the Taris Taris tariff, Boyd, the
Speaker 2: big thing here is the immigration. That's that is. I mean,
Speaker 2: Trump is getting right after it. He's putting it up
Speaker 2: as a billboard. But as the Democrats have pointed out,
Speaker 2: they've done so in the past, there has to be
Speaker 2: a way to do it with some sort of a system.
Speaker 2: I just don't think the country has wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: They haven't wanted to deal with it. And then you
Speaker 2: have the question about the whole labor force. It's a
Speaker 2: great point. We've raised our kids here in America. There
Speaker 2: are certain jobs they're just too good for. That are
Speaker 2: the people who come into this country and they want
Speaker 2: to make a living and they want to do something
Speaker 2: for their families they're not too proud to take. Let's
Speaker 2: go to tom in West Virginia, not Virginia. West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Are you closeer to Pittsburgh?
Speaker 4: Ye? No, I'm in Pocahontas County, the most rural county
Speaker 4: in West Virginia. My mother grew up here. I grew
Speaker 4: up in Foxboro, Massachusetts. I'm a retired member of the
Speaker 4: IVW Local one oh three in Boston. And by the way,
Speaker 4: speaking of Maine, two towns i've worked in Mattawaska nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty nine Fraser Paper and the other one in Waterville, Maine.
Speaker 4: I'll think of that name. In nineteen ninety you never
Speaker 4: worked at.
Speaker 2: You never worked in Rumford? Huh?
Speaker 4: No, that was International Paper, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: No, Rumford was Oxford Paper Company, which later became Boise
Speaker 2: Cascade International was in j.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Well, anyway, and I do remember the
Speaker 4: strike in Jay Maine. B b ian K went in
Speaker 4: and they did a construction expansion as well as a
Speaker 4: paperworker's strike, and they busted the union.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: I'm a union man. I never crossed a picket line.
Speaker 4: Do you understand me? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: I understand you too. I'm a union man as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, I remember that very well. So here's the point.
Speaker 4: Number one. As far as these free trade agreements, I
Speaker 4: remember in nineteen ninety two with Bill Clinton and the
Speaker 4: little guy who was the Secretary of Labor. It will
Speaker 4: come to me Robert Reich, three of them said, all
Speaker 4: three of them said three things for union slobs like me.
Speaker 4: One it will create good paying jobs in America. Two,
Speaker 4: it'll cut down an illegal immigration coming to America from Mexico.
Speaker 4: Three it will cut down an illegal immigration. None of
Speaker 4: those predictions ever came true.
Speaker 2: No, I'm lost. I'm losing something when you said it,
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: NaSTA? Come on, man, I got a brain.
Speaker 2: Tom Beck, dude, you ma'am, no, listen, I'm not in
Speaker 2: the mood. I'm not in the mood for this crap.
Speaker 2: You have something to say. I didn't understand what you
Speaker 2: were saying. I simply asked the question, if you can't
Speaker 2: be polite, I don't want to deal with you softer. Fine,
Speaker 2: I do a brain. I didn't know what you were
Speaker 2: speaking of.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, smart ask so I apologize. I apologize.
Speaker 2: NAFTA, Yes, American tree.
Speaker 4: And none of those predictions came true? Did they too?
Speaker 4: Did they come true? You? Now? Next? Okay? Now, free
Speaker 4: trade with China? What were we told back then on
Speaker 4: National Public Radio with the intellectuals of Boston, Oh, if
Speaker 4: we do free, if we do most favored trading with China,
Speaker 4: And this was include the esteem senator from Boston or Massachusetts,
Speaker 4: John Kerry. Most favorite trading with China will give us
Speaker 4: great jobs in America which didn't happen, China will become
Speaker 4: more of a democracy, which did not happen, and China
Speaker 4: will be less likely to build up their military. So
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I don't have a college degree. I'm a
Speaker 4: license electrician. That's my claim to fame. None of those
Speaker 4: predictions came through. And and the smart people in New
Speaker 4: England called people like me that work for a living morons.
Speaker 4: And I voted for Donald Trump, whether her these listeners
Speaker 4: like it or not.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to call you a moron.
Speaker 4: None of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've been called hang on, I've been called a moron
Speaker 4: on National Public radio in Boston. That's not your fight.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, as well as other low rated
Speaker 4: AM radio stations, from progressive nonprofit radio stations in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: So here's the point. None of those predictions that we
Speaker 4: were told in the Boston Globe and the New York
Speaker 4: Times ever came true. And somehow I'm a bad person
Speaker 4: because I disrespect my union leadership telling me, oh no,
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is going to be the new messiah to
Speaker 4: the working man in this time country? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: And as far as immigration is concerned, I don't begrudge
Speaker 4: any person coming to this country for a better life. However,
Speaker 4: when you have people that are coming here in desperation,
Speaker 4: that are being exploited by employers. And it was the
Speaker 4: unions back in the nineties that pushed Everify that both
Speaker 4: the Republicans and the Democrats would not pass. You know
Speaker 4: what am I told on? When someone's urinating on my
Speaker 4: leg and telling me it's not raining from either side
Speaker 4: of the political aisle, somehow I'm stupid. You've got to
Speaker 4: be kidding me. I want people to come from this
Speaker 4: to this country. I don't care if they're from Africa, Asia,
Speaker 4: Central America, or whoever. Number One, I want them vetted.
Speaker 4: Number two, I want them to be screen medically. As
Speaker 4: my first wife that I met in nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 4: she was from eighty she was quarantined for a week
Speaker 4: in a hotel in Miami to make sure she didn't
Speaker 4: have communicable diseases. That was before age. And they used
Speaker 4: to do that at Ellis Island. And somehow I'm a racist,
Speaker 4: according to the National Public radio crowd for me saying that, well,
Speaker 4: maybe we should quarantine these people. And need I remind
Speaker 4: you that during the pandemic with Joe Biden in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, they let people in the southern border that
Speaker 4: were not required to get the vaccines, as were people
Speaker 4: in public service in this country that had to get
Speaker 4: the vaccine or face firing. What am I missing? You
Speaker 4: tell me where I'm wrong?
Speaker 2: Well, what I do agree with you on is there
Speaker 2: needs to be a better system on how people come
Speaker 2: into the country. There's no doubt about that. Okay, there's
Speaker 2: no question, And I know and I don't understand why
Speaker 2: it hasn't been undertaken by either party. I really don't
Speaker 2: to me, they'd like to use it as a political plank.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they want.
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan in nineteen ninety six or eighty six, excuse me,
Speaker 4: when he passed amnesty for mostly European immigrants, a lot
Speaker 4: of them from Ireland. Back then, the deal was, we're
Speaker 4: going to secure our border and we're going to fix
Speaker 4: our immigration with regards to feeding up people that are
Speaker 4: here that aren't criminals or whatever. Okay, neither party has
Speaker 4: done that. And look at the Republicans. You have mint
Speaker 4: Romney Republicans that want cheap labor from south of the border.
Speaker 4: And God bless those people. Okay, they work very hard.
Speaker 4: I would never ever put down someone from Ecuador or wherever. Okay,
Speaker 4: they work very hard as the same people as as
Speaker 4: other ethnic groups do. But they want cheap labor. The
Speaker 4: Democrats want cheap votes. It's not hard to figure out.
Speaker 4: And what Joe Biden did over the last three and
Speaker 4: a half years of his administration h w COVID four years.
Speaker 4: You know, while COVID was going on, no, get as
Speaker 4: many people in here as possible, and hopefully we can
Speaker 4: make them citizens to have a political domination of those
Speaker 4: people will be dependent on government. Please tell me where
Speaker 4: I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: That backfired. Well, I'll tell you that backfire on Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call. Tom. Let's go to John
Speaker 2: and Foxbrog. John, you're up on WBZ.
Speaker 5: They can hear me.
Speaker 2: I can hear you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just had a disagreement. How build their developer
Speaker 5: contractor in regards to you went undocumented coming in doing
Speaker 5: the landscape. And I think it's a misnomer because right now,
Speaker 5: with the labor shortage, the people that are coming in
Speaker 5: charge just as much, if not more than American citizens
Speaker 5: to do. But the problem is they're not insured and
Speaker 5: a lot of times they get an accident. And I
Speaker 5: can and I can speak firsthand. I never hired anybody subcontractor. Wise,
Speaker 5: I won't let anybody in the properties because well, five
Speaker 5: years ago, I had a guy that's working for me
Speaker 5: from Brazil, real good kid, he's trying to get his papers,
Speaker 5: doing everything in the right way, but most of his
Speaker 5: cousins were here illegally. And what they were doing was
Speaker 5: there were any money that they made, they were sending
Speaker 5: back to Brazil.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: The cousin was trying to do it the right way,
Speaker 5: but what happened was two of their cousins gotten accidents.
Speaker 5: We want to cut there at Kelley's tend to no
Speaker 5: more clear through on one of the machines that they
Speaker 5: weren't supposed to be operating. And what they did was
Speaker 5: the fourth homeowner got sued because the guy that had
Speaker 5: hired them on the job didn't have insurance. So the
Speaker 5: other thing too, is like I've got to go to
Speaker 5: classes for all my license, construction supervisor's license, every license,
Speaker 5: real estate license, you know, I have to pay assurance,
Speaker 5: my liabilities, all that stuff. The advantage is they don't
Speaker 5: have the licenses. Okay, Right, So my cousin's very left.
Speaker 5: I've never been a political person in my life. I
Speaker 5: didn't like Bush. I don't have a favorite team. In
Speaker 5: other words, Okay, so I played in the middle. My
Speaker 5: cousin's a building. He's really far left, and he's like, well,
Speaker 5: they need work, And I'm like, Michael, would you hire
Speaker 5: him to frame a house, you know, for your mother
Speaker 5: in law? You wouldn't because they don't have a license,
Speaker 5: so they don't have the education or even you know,
Speaker 5: the schooling of the licenses. Uh, to know the codes
Speaker 5: in other worlds, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I know, and you're right, no, I understand it because
Speaker 2: I better you're.
Speaker 5: Not to interrupted. But the other thing too, is it's
Speaker 5: like you're treating these people like the slave labor. Like
Speaker 5: they're coming in and it' it's like, okay, well they're
Speaker 5: so cheap and might as well just have them just
Speaker 5: to clean out toilets and you know, pick crop. It's
Speaker 5: not like that anymore anyway. It's very intelligent. And the
Speaker 5: thing is, you know, I like Trump since I was
Speaker 5: a kid, because I was a developer, okay, and he's
Speaker 5: a businessman. I have this argument all the time. I'd
Speaker 5: rather have the guy that's ability, that that runs businesses
Speaker 5: and writes checks, you know, pays millions and millions of
Speaker 5: dollars in real estate taxes. I own a lot of
Speaker 5: properties too. Those those corporations employed people which go to
Speaker 5: work and pay taxes. It's very different than administration. All
Speaker 5: the politicians they don't make a creat anything in the
Speaker 5: ostilium when they take that tax pay money like the
Speaker 5: ntos that they've bring these people that they're supposed to
Speaker 5: be non government employees, they're all getting kickbacks into the administration.
Speaker 5: So it's the other scope of.
Speaker 4: It's like this.
Speaker 5: If you ever saw the movie star phase when Fidel
Speaker 5: Castro emptied out the prisons and all that stuff, that's
Speaker 5: in the smallest skill. Those are only thousands of people.
Speaker 5: And I know because I owned property in South Beach
Speaker 5: and it was a good thing that worked for me,
Speaker 5: because that crime wave destroyed Miami and Self Beach back then,
Speaker 5: you couldn't give property away. Then when the psycho reverted
Speaker 5: back and all the hard working Cubans that came here
Speaker 5: from a communist country that wanted to work, they didn't
Speaker 5: want those drug deals in there. So imagine all the
Speaker 5: people from two hundred countries coming in, all the gang leaders,
Speaker 5: all this. They had three cousins die of vatanyl overdoses.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about first hand experiences. Now, this is like,
Speaker 5: this is like the Mario boat lift on steroids.
Speaker 2: You I'm trying to follow you, dude. You just gave
Speaker 2: me a ton to think about. So to wrap it up,
Speaker 2: do you have a solution.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the solution is going on right now. You steal
Speaker 5: the border, so you go. So you have one politician
Speaker 5: Tonya the board is okay, and you know, we can't
Speaker 5: do anything. And Donald Trump comes in, he's been for
Speaker 5: a week, and they shut ninety three percent of it down.
Speaker 5: Let them come in the right way, right, So they
Speaker 5: would say, well, what's the right way do it? Like
Speaker 5: my friend Willie who was from Brazil, he didn't want
Speaker 5: to come in. And here's the other thing too, is
Speaker 5: all the cousins weren't wealthy. They all had hev T cards.
Speaker 5: They were living in a multi family house with forty
Speaker 5: people in the house. Okay, right, so that's what they do.
Speaker 5: So here's the thing. You know, the last cause said, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you know it's good because you know you don't want
Speaker 5: to get rid of these workers because you know they're cheap.
Speaker 5: That's number one. That's wrong. That's not even true because
Speaker 5: you're paying them just as much money. Okay. But but
Speaker 5: but the problem is you're paying them as much money,
Speaker 5: and then they're not paying taxes. Okay, they're living for free,
Speaker 5: right all right, and they're getting food stamps and all that.
Speaker 5: I have the biggest time in the world. I have
Speaker 5: people living down the street for me in one of
Speaker 5: the motels. I wish I own the motels you get
Speaker 5: seventy year contracts. They're all filled up with mostly Hatians
Speaker 5: over here. I'm I'm in stopping shop one day. They
Speaker 5: don't even speak English. Some of them. They're the nicest
Speaker 5: people in the world because they're families. I'm not talking
Speaker 5: about like, they're not drug dealers. I have the cashier
Speaker 5: arguing because the young woman's had diapers and it was
Speaker 5: late at night, and the lady's like, oh, you can't
Speaker 5: pay for that on this I just looked out my
Speaker 5: credit card. I handed it right, right, right, and then
Speaker 5: I gave him right home. I don't want to see
Speaker 5: anybody heard. But the biggest thing is it's just it's
Speaker 5: all political and it's a headaches, you know why.
Speaker 2: John. The bottom line, as we wrap it up, and
Speaker 2: I appreciate your passion and your insight, and you've been
Speaker 2: a very good caller, is the truth always lies somewhere
Speaker 2: in the middle. And one of the topics I would
Speaker 2: like to discuss in the next few days when I'm
Speaker 2: sitting in for Dan is why do we have to
Speaker 2: be a country of extremes. We either go far to
Speaker 2: the left or far to the right. Now, what you're
Speaker 2: talking about is reasonable. You're talking about an immigration system
Speaker 2: where people can come into the country legally, be properly insured,
Speaker 2: and become part of the workforce. We've put people on
Speaker 2: the moon, we have cured diseases, and for some reason
Speaker 2: we can't do it. And the truth always lies somewhere
Speaker 2: in the middle. You don't want to be you don't
Speaker 2: want to be inhumane to people, but you you have
Speaker 2: to have a system, so there's some sense of sanity.
Speaker 2: And for some reason this country doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me tell you why they don't want to
Speaker 5: do it, because each party wants to be in control.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, John and John, I gotta break John. But
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, John, it's a political plank. And to
Speaker 2: wrap it up, you're right because they had a bipartisan agreement.
Speaker 2: Trump decided to run. He told his cronies, don't pass
Speaker 2: the bipartisan agreement because he wanted to use it as
Speaker 2: a political plank to run. Absolutely neither neither party wants
Speaker 2: a solution agreed because it's not that hard. It's not
Speaker 2: that hard. Common sense generally solves the problem. But then
Speaker 2: if you have common sense, problems get solved and people
Speaker 2: don't have anything to run on we agree on that.
Speaker 2: I gotta take a break. Uh, we're gonna talk my movies.
Speaker 2: At ten. We're gonna get rid of it was very soon.
Speaker 2: We will be done with the real stuff and get
Speaker 2: into the make belief stuff. You're on WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Right Garian for Dan tonight. Very passionate discussions this evening
Speaker 2: regarding immigration, regarding the tariffs. I was just telling Rob
Speaker 2: Brooks the wizard on the other side of the glass.
Speaker 2: We have CNN and Fox News on in the studio,
Speaker 2: and I'm paraphrasing here, but across the screen on CNN
Speaker 2: when they were talking about Trump and Canada and Mexico
Speaker 2: negotiating dropping the tariffs. If Canada is this of Mexico,
Speaker 2: you know since ten thousand people of the board, soldiers
Speaker 2: of the border, CNN said Trump backs off charges or
Speaker 2: tariff plans. And then Fox is like Canada and Mexico
Speaker 2: h crumbles to Trump something among those lines. Uh, that's
Speaker 2: where we're at. I mean, people just believe what they
Speaker 2: want to believe. That's how they want to look at it.
Speaker 2: You have to give Trump credit if he pulls this off.
Speaker 2: He got people to the table. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you could have a million soldiers at the border, if
Speaker 2: that's going to stop the drug trade. I'm not optimistic
Speaker 2: about that. But Trump's got people moving. Musk scares the
Speaker 2: hell out of me. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: he's doing running around Washington. I hope he doesn't have
Speaker 2: any real power. That guy worries me a little bit,
Speaker 2: But so far during the second term with Trump, he's
Speaker 2: a man of action that is indisputable. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 2: go to the movies. We're gonna talk about the oscars
Speaker 2: coming up with Odie Henderson at the Globe. Right here
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