WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.400 single day on your favorite podcast platform. 6 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:16.640 Hey, welcome to The Dan Caplis Show. 7 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.120 It's not me Dan, it's me George Brockler, also a 8 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:23.800 two time buff undergrad and law school thrilled to be 9 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.440 sitting in for Dan. He's actually doing what lawyers do, 10 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:28.359 at least the good ones, and that is go to trial. 11 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:33.439 Lots of news going on today. I am honored. 12 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.520 I have heard this guy interviewed on Dan's show multiple times. 13 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:40.840 I am thrilled to be able to talk to another 14 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:45.600 former prosecutor of such great repute, and that is Andy 15 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:49.600 McCarthy of National Review and a Fox News contributor, former 16 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:51.920 federal guy out of the Southern District of New York. 17 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.320 Sir sir, thanks for joining. 18 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.119 Us, George. It's my pleasure. 19 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:56.520 I want to get to. 20 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.560 The biggest news of the last twenty four hours, and 21 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:01.960 you're a guy from the Bronx, so you'll appreciate this. 22 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.000 Juan Soto, what happened there. 23 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.719 Well, you know, I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously, 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.480 I'm thrilled that the Mets got such a good player, 25 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.519 but kind of sad about what's happened to baseball. And 26 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:21.280 as a as a lifelong Mets fan, I'm a little 27 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.120 bit older than they are. I kind of like my 28 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.280 old sort of lovable underdog Mets, and I think they've 29 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.439 shed that, you know now that they're going to spend 30 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:35.319 in the deep end of the pool with the you know, 31 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.920 the big guys that kind of shed that identity. 32 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.599 Well, we'll have to touch base with you back when 33 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.719 they're in the playoffs next year and see how you 34 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:46.719 feel about that. Right there, I'll say this as a 35 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.519 lifelong Yankees fan born on Staten Island, my dad grew 36 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.519 up in the city. Screw you Mets fans, That's really 37 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.079 how I feel, because I want the Juan Soto out 38 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.599 there in right field, but that's not to be. So 39 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.480 we'll have to figure out a way to get Judge 40 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:03.680 on track for the postseason, because he's a killer in 41 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.000 the regular season. Nonetheless, let's get to the two big 42 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.439 stories of the day if we could. And you're right there, 43 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.280 you're at the epicenter man for both of these things, 44 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:13.439 and that is Daniel Penny. 45 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:15.240 As you know, Daniel Penny. 46 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.759 Was the guy who's being prosecuted by the Manhattan DIA's office, 47 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.319 I believe, for the death of a guy on a 48 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.520 subway train. He was acquitted of all the lesser charges 49 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.240 that the jury hadn't hung on. But what's your sense 50 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.520 of all this stuff that's gone on out there, what's 51 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:31.759 the feedback that you're seeing. 52 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.360 Well, it's really awful that they brought the case in 53 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:40.879 the first place, because the guy was heroic. He intervened 54 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.680 in a situation where it required some courage to do 55 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:50.000 that against somebody who was not only menacing people on 56 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.719 the train, but who we afterwards found out had a 57 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:56.439 significant criminal record. It'd just come out of a Rikers 58 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.960 Island after doing a stint for punching an old woman 59 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.319 and in the face and breaking some bones in her face. 60 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.960 So this is a bad guy. This was not an 61 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.199 abstract threat. This was very real. It was very real 62 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.080 to the passengers on that train. And I think just 63 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.120 by bringing a case like this under the circumstances that 64 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:25.439 obtained the message to good people who are valorous and 65 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.719 would be willing to intervene on behalf of vulnerable people 66 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.400 is don't you dare or at least think twice about 67 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.240 doing that? And that's a dangerous thing in a city 68 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.520 of nine million people where we have fewer than thirty 69 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.639 four thousand police, and most rhymes are committed with the 70 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:46.759 police not on the scene. So I think it's very 71 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:53.360 irresponsible for Alvin Bragg, the progressive elected Democratic district attorney 72 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.360 in Manhattan, to have brought the case, and he brought 73 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.879 it in a really cynical way. Even if you think 74 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.719 Penny should have been prosecuted, it's at most a negligent 75 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:09.800 homicide case, but he brought it as mainly a reckless 76 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.759 homicide or manslaughter case in order to try to improve 77 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.720 his odds of getting a conviction. And the other thing 78 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:20.480 they did was to racialize it so that the prosecutors 79 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.480 kept calling him, you know, the white man and the 80 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:28.040 white defendant, under circumstances where race didn't have anything to 81 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.680 do with it with it, there was no evidence that 82 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.079 he was at all motivated by bigotry in any way, 83 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.839 and many of the people that he protected on the 84 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:41.199 train were black passengers who turned out to be some 85 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.120 of the best witnesses in the case for him. 86 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.480 We're talking with Andrew McCarthy from National Review and Fox 87 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.439 New's former big time federal prosecutor. Do you know the 88 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.199 racial composition, Andy, of that jury that acquitted. 89 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:56.959 Him, I don't. I know that it was. I know 90 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.680 that it was seven women and five I have men. 91 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.800 I don't recall if I if I saw the racial 92 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:08.279 composition at some point, I don't remember it. But I 93 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.720 think it's important to note that, even though I'm saying 94 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.800 that Bragg brought it it kind of racialized that I 95 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.680 regard this, and maybe this is because, as you pointed out, 96 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.680 I grew up in the Bronx and I'm you know, 97 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:25.319 I'm a New York City person. I regard this as 98 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:33.199 ideological more than racial, in the sense that my experience 99 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.639 as a prosecutor and as someone living in the city 100 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.000 is that black people in general are not motivated or 101 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.240 you know, persuaded any more than anyone else's by those 102 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:48.720 kinds of arguments. But I think ideological lefties are, and 103 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.839 that tends to be a very different racial makeup than 104 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:52.519 you might think. 105 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.879 Last question on this before we move on to the 106 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:01.519 murder of the United CEO Alvin now had already had 107 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.800 an elevated profile beyond the Manhattan DIA's office as it 108 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:09.160 normally would, based on his tortured prosecution of Donald Trump 109 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.800 for those misdemeanors they stretched out into felonies to beat 110 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.319 the statute of limitations. And now that there's this, now 111 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:16.279 you grew up there. 112 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:18.120 Do you get the. 113 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.759 Sense in New York that the Manhattan DA's office has 114 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.319 a tarnished reputation as a result of these things? Or 115 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.079 do people just shrug and move on and go big apple? 116 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:33.480 You know, you have to. I found it was necessary 117 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:37.240 to keep doing this in the case against against President 118 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.639 Trump too, because people would look at that and may 119 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.720 be really outraged by you know, what a farce it was. 120 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:47.079 And I think what we have to remember is this 121 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:52.600 is Manhattan. Alvin Bragg's political base got him elected there. 122 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.399 He was not like someone who's appointed. 123 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:55.199 He was elected. 124 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.800 These races throughout the country, these DA races in these 125 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.040 blue one party cities, you know, they tend to be 126 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.879 small turnout affairs, and progressives mobilize and they get there, 127 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.839 you know, they out spend the other side and they 128 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.360 get their people in. But you know, Manhattan, even though 129 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.720 there were improvements for Republicans in the out of boroughs 130 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.439 in the In the recent election, I think Manhattan went 131 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.879 sixty five percent or sixty five points rather for Harris. 132 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.639 She won Manhattan Bay sixty five points. And there was 133 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.040 a pall about two weeks ago that said that Bragg 134 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.399 was favored to be re elected. So I don't think 135 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.480 we can we can say that the national judgment of 136 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.439 what goes on in Manhattan is necessarily reflected in what 137 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:44.720 Manhattanites think. 138 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.160 Shifting gears to the other big breaking news of the 139 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.040 day and proving out a theorem that I've long held 140 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:55.560 that beating in the chest of every IVY school graduate 141 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.680 is the potential for a cold blooded murderer. Luigi Mangioni 142 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:03.920 was grabbed up in Altoona, Pennsylvania in a McDonald's andy. 143 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.120 Didn't you go to an Ivy League school? Anyway? 144 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.240 I did. But you know, when you started to speak, 145 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:11.800 I thought you were saying that you and me were 146 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.279 going to be able to beat on somebody's chest. 147 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.519 For Luigi MANNGIONI give us your take on what's unfolded 148 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:22.519 here and what's next. 149 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.959 Well, you know it's a radical leftist Apparently, as we 150 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.399 speak unless i've unless something's changed that. I don't think 151 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.960 he's been charged at this point, but it's certainly, you know, 152 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.799 all indications are that he will be according to the reporting. 153 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.600 I think the left obviously has a violence problem. All 154 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.320 kidding aside about the IVY League in the campus in 155 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.879 the United States, the campus has a problem. I did 156 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:55.440 terrorism cases back in the nineties. Almost every radical movement 157 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:59.799 of consequence begins on the campus. I mean that just 158 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:04.320 it seems to be a commonality when you look at 159 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:10.080 radical groups. That's where those ideas incubate. And I think 160 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.679 when you ask what happens next to me, what would 161 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:17.240 be interesting is whether the federal prosecutors at my old 162 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:20.799 haunts in the Southern District of New York are trying 163 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.360 to think about whether there's a federal theory of charging 164 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.080 this guy in order to get the case away from Bragg. 165 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.120 You know, the question is can Bragg be trusted to 166 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.799 do a case against a radical leftist who apparently, you know, 167 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.080 took direct action, as they like to say, against somebody 168 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:40.440 from the oppressor class. 169 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:43.320 You bring up a great point, and that is whether 170 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.440 or not there's a federal hook here. I'd love to 171 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.799 know your thoughts on that, but for another reason too, 172 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.639 not just to get it away from a highly politicized 173 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:52.759 district attorney's office. And I think we've seen that with 174 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.639 these last two cases. But there's no death penalty in 175 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.039 New York. I think you guys had it for a 176 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.240 cup of coffee in the nineties or something like that. 177 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.159 But is there a hook for the Feds? 178 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.720 And if there were, is there a capital aggravator that 179 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:06.720 would exist here? 180 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.120 I don't think it would be a capital case. What 181 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.080 I've looked at is the Travel Act, which you see 182 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.120 in a lot of organized crime cases, where it's basically 183 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:22.120 if somebody travels or otherwise uses facilities in interstate commerce 184 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.120 because you have to have a federal jurisdictional hook, and 185 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:29.159 then commits a crime of violence, including murder, with the 186 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.559 intention of furthering another crime, like like a Rico conspiracy 187 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:39.480 or something like that. If death results, the maximum penalty 188 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.039 is any term of years or life, which is a 189 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.320 very significant penalty and probably would exceed what you would 190 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.519 get in New York. The thing is, as you can 191 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.639 tell the way I describe it, my default setting is 192 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.320 that murder is a state crime and it ought to 193 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.879 be handled by the state and these federal cases. You know, 194 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.720 I had a I had an attempted murder case one 195 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.320 time where the jury hung them. Is a terrible case. 196 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.679 And when we talked to them afterwards, one of the 197 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.279 things that puzzled them was why on earth we were 198 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:12.399 talking about interstate commerce when you know a guy would 199 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:17.120 put on try to murder a police officer. So you know, 200 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.919 it's complicated to do these federal cases, and it would 201 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.720 be a lot more straightforward and probably a lot better 202 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.360 if you could just trust that the DA would do 203 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:26.919 his job. 204 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:28.200 But yeah, mend that. 205 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.960 Andrew McCarthy, joy talking you man. Honored to talk with you. 206 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.360 I hope I get a chance to do it again. 207 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:34.759 Thank you so much for your time. 208 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:36.879 Thanks Jrege, it was my pleasure. 209 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.720 Hey, listen, we're going to come back from this. What 210 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.159 did you hear there from Andrew McCarthy. 211 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.120 I'd really like to know what you think about the 212 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:47.200 Alvin Bragg DA's office and should they be entrusted to 213 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:51.279 handle this prosecution of this left wing extremist if in 214 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.360 fact he ends up getting charged with murder spoiler alert, 215 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:55.200 I think that he will. 216 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:56.320 We'll talk more about that. 217 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.039 Give us a call it eight fi five four zero 218 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.679 five eighty two fifty five five four zero five eight 219 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.559 two five five. You can also text us at d 220 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.240 A n at five seven seven three nine filling in 221 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:09.919 for the big guy on the Dan Kapla Show. 222 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:13.320 It's George Brockler six thirty KHW. 223 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:20.840 And now back to the dan Kapla Show podcast. 224 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:28.720 Good Lord, that is uh not the murderer Mangioni, that 225 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.759 is the other one, Chuck Mangioni with the flugelhorn. Yeah, 226 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.240 I still believe, still going strong at eighty four years 227 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:35.919 of age. 228 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.000 Buddy, that's really impressive. 229 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:40.159 I don't know even know if well, we kind of 230 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.759 joked off air like could this guy be related to him? 231 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:43.879 I think the answer is no. 232 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.360 But it's not a common name. 233 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:46.159 I don't know. 234 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:49.519 This kid apparently is a rich kid by the way 235 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.559 he went to. I looked at some stuff online and 236 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.279 this Luigi Mangioni, who is looks like he's a pretty 237 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:58.879 good for the murder of the CEO of United Healthcare 238 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.879 out there in New York about a week ago, now, 239 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:06.039 coming up on a week ago. He apparently went to 240 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.799 some forty thousand dollars a year grade school, high school, 241 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.279 all this other stuff went to you, Penn, which I 242 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.120 should point out one of the best business schools in 243 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.159 the country called Wharton School of Business. 244 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.159 Guess who's a graduate of that, Donald Trump? That's it. 245 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.519 DJT is the man for that, Hey, George Brockler filling 246 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.559 in for Dan caplis Dan doing what the great attorneys do, 247 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.879 and that is to go to court and try cases 248 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:32.639 on behalf. 249 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:33.799 Of their clients. I miss it, man. 250 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.600 I'm hoping to get back into it next year when 251 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.120 I take over in the twenty third. But I get 252 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.720 to be here in the seat right now. Thrilled to 253 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.720 have talked with Andrew McCarthy, former big time federal prosecutor 254 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.399 in the Southern District of New York that's maybe one 255 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:51.879 of the most trial going prosecution offices in the federal 256 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.000 DOJ system. And then of course now he's National Review 257 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.080 in Fox and he talked to us about both Daniel 258 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:02.799 Penny and Luigi MANGIONI. We've got a phone line, you 259 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:05.879 can call it and we can have a conversation about them. 260 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.639 Eight five five four zero five eighty two fifty five 261 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.720 eight five five four zero five eight two five five. 262 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.879 So many issues one should Alvin Bragg be entrusted to 263 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.120 try this case, you know, Anny McCarthy said, and I 264 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:17.799 agree with him. 265 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.120 Murder is a state crime. 266 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.360 But in this case, you've got a dude who just 267 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.679 got punched in the professional jewels earlier today with an 268 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:33.759 acquittal for Daniel Penny, who he had illadvisedly gone over 269 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.759 the top in prosecution for him for the death of 270 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.200 the guy that was going nuts on that subway train 271 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.440 a couple of years ago. And prior to that, he 272 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.519 tortured a bunch of misdemeanors, stretched them out to make 273 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:47.919 them something that they warn't, to extend the statue of 274 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.919 limitations to go after President Trump on something that would 275 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.960 go largely unprosecuted for anybody else. And now he's got 276 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:56.600 this land. 277 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:56.960 In his lap. 278 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.679 Should the system be trusted or should the Feds, as 279 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.639 Andrew McCarthy point out, find a federal hook to grab 280 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:09.080 that case and make it federal. That's a tough one 281 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.159 eight five five four zero five eighty two fifty five 282 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.759 eight five five four zero five eight two five five. 283 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.120 Going right to the phone lines right now, someone whose 284 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.279 name appears. 285 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.399 To be A Leiksay, is it e Leiksay Online? One. 286 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.559 It is a leaks say elik, say thanks three hundred 287 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.440 eleven bays, mister Brockler, since I was last. 288 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.480 On the air. Yes, how do you know that stuff? 289 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.639 Because even when I had my own show, you would 290 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.639 call up and say, the last time you burped on 291 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.320 air was April to twelveth You know what I mean, 292 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:44.799 like you would know stuff like that. How do you 293 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:45.159 know that? 294 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.960 I just I have a weird memory. So what can 295 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:49.360 I say? 296 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:50.200 I don't know. 297 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:51.879 I feel like I feel like I want to get 298 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.200 matching suits and go to Vegas with you, have us 299 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.360 come down and escalator together, and you could be my 300 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:57.919 rain man. 301 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.080 You know, there you go, there you go. We can 302 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.320 make a little bit of money. But hey, are you 303 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.320 going to be like Alvin Bragg and your new role? 304 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.080 If you know you're going to have a driver, probably 305 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.879 want to chief suburban Security team and you know all 306 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.720 the staxes cash like Sannie Willis. 307 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.360 Well, the sacks of cash, yes, but everything else. No, listen, 308 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.320 this is actually an East Coast thing. I had a 309 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.440 public information officer in my first year in my first 310 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:27.799 term in office, going back to twenty thirteen. 311 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:29.600 And she had asked the same question. 312 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.159 She's like, well, hey, aren't you going to get a driver? 313 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.840 And like a suburban and the driver is usually a 314 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:39.320 senior sergeant with the police department. I'm like, whoa, whoa, sister, 315 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.600 you're in the state of Colorado like that. You've got 316 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.519 to be the governor or an overinflated attorney general to 317 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.840 do something like that. And by the way, our attorney 318 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.240 general has a driver, which is insane, or at least 319 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.200 that's the last time I saw me had a driver. 320 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.159 But no that I like to drive myself, and frankly, 321 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.799 I like to pack my own heat. I don't like 322 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.960 to have someone else take responsibility for me. Hey, when 323 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.519 you listen to Andrew McCarthy, and I know that you 324 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.960 do a deep dive on all of these things because 325 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.480 I've talked to you before, obviously seeing you off the 326 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:17.480 radio as well. You're well read what is going on 327 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.160 here with the Daniel Penny case. 328 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:21.839 And then when you. 329 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:23.880 Look broader and you step back and you look at 330 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.119 what took place on the streets of New York, same 331 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.160 jurisdiction with this Louisy Luigiman, Giona guy. 332 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:30.839 What's going on? 333 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.240 It is so political. I'm a Daniel Penny and the 334 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:43.440 same prosecutor also had taken a case where a guy 335 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.759 had gone to rob an old guy at the HTM. 336 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.640 The old guy ends up dying. It was an accident, 337 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:54.400 and she Pretzel twisted it to. You know out here, 338 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.440 let's give you a slap on the wrist and a 339 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.599 candy bar. We won't call it murder, and then they 340 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.799 can know the opposite way, depending on if they like 341 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.680 you politically or not, which is completely wrong. I'm saying 342 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:09.279 with Alvin Bragg, I would not trust him. 343 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.839 Alexa, I thank you. You speak for everyone. 344 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.079 If you hear that music, you know that Ryan's about 345 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.359 to push me off the air, and with good reason. 346 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:20.039 Alexa, thanks for the call. 347 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.559 Always good to have you, Phillip Alexi's line, would you 348 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:25.440 eight five five four zero five eighty two fifty five. 349 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.599 George Brockler filling in for the big Man, Dan Caplis. 350 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:28.960 Back right after this. 351 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:39.839 You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. 352 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.920 George Brockler filling in for Dan Caplis. He is in 353 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.799 the court. I am here in the studio with Ryan 354 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.920 and Kelly and listen. Big big news today all over 355 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.319 the place coming out of New York, though in particular 356 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:03.720 one the acquittal of Daniel Penny for that really another 357 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.480 attempted miscarriage of justice by Alvin Bragg, the elected district 358 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.640 attorney in Manhattan, who went after this guy for his 359 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.319 freedom and more for his heroic efforts to try to 360 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:20.519 protect the innocent bystanders inside of a subway train. This 361 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.519 one did have incredible and I know Anny McCarthy, who 362 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.200 was on with us at the top of the hour, said, 363 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.359 I don't think it's I don't think it's racial as 364 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:29.440 much as ideological. 365 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:30.839 I think that's probably true. 366 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.720 But the racial piece fits into the ideology right, And 367 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.759 that is because if this was Daniel Penny who had 368 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:41.119 defended the people inside the subway train from a deranged, 369 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:46.039 maniacal white guy, I don't think this thing even ends 370 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:47.880 up inside of a courtroom, so there is a racial 371 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:48.559 component to it. 372 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.000 But I do think it's ideological. 373 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:54.039 But at this point, you know, Alvin Bragg, can he 374 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.960 be trusted to handle the second big thing that happened today, 375 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.000 and that is the case of a guy named Luigi 376 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:05.799 Mangioni who was grabbed up in a McDonald's. By the way, 377 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:09.400 whoever this worker was at McDonald's that I did, this 378 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.440 guy man. That's got to be like free happy mails 379 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.720 and supersize for life or something, because this. 380 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:16.400 Guy was huge. 381 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.839 Luigi Mangioni not accused of anything other than a weapons 382 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.359 crime at this time, twenty six year old Ivy League 383 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:23.279 graduate grew up. 384 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:24.200 It looks like. 385 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.200 From a position of privilege, going to schools that cost 386 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.480 a ton of money every year. He graduated from Penn, 387 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:37.759 big time Ivy League school. He had on him a 388 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:42.880 three deep printed firearm plus a suppressor. Now I've seen 389 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.039 people put silencer as you know, a suppressor. And he 390 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:52.880 gets grabbed up in this McDonald's. This guy presumably is 391 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.480 going to be taken back to Manhattan and he's going 392 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:01.079 to presumably be charged with the murder of Brian Thompson. Now, 393 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:03.359 if you haven't heard the name Brian Thompson, it's because 394 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.400 he's largely been described only as the United CEO, which 395 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.359 is true, the United Healthcare CEO. 396 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:11.440 That's true. 397 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.480 But this guy is a one hundred percent innocent victim, 398 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.119 right father of two, married, although I think he lived 399 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.079 separately from his wife for a bit, but nonetheless not 400 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.799 deserving of being shot by any stretch of any legal 401 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.279