Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans?
Speaker 2: Welcome to season four, episode thirty five of Clips and Dip.
Speaker 2: I am Chuck Mockler, Adam Oslind is here, William Updike
Speaker 2: is here, and the Clippers have the.
Speaker 1: Fifth pick in the upcoming NBA Draft. Fantastic news from Mulatto. Today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk that.
Speaker 3: Way, did that happen today?
Speaker 1: Happened today? We're gonna talk that. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: bunch of random stuff as well. But Will Adam oh,
Speaker 1: thank you for watching Clips and Dip. If you want
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Speaker 1: listen to them. Will how are we doing? Clips? A
Speaker 1: good thing happened to the Clippers today?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: We're not doing that? Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean like, look, we all said, uh, if this
Speaker 5: pick was to convey five, were bust really right?
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 3: And I honestly, I mean I you can definitely cast.
Speaker 5: Some doubts on the on the Clippers availability to draft,
Speaker 5: but like when they have had a lottery level pick,
Speaker 5: I think the recent track record is pretty decent.
Speaker 4: It's like, what are the lottery picks recently with Lawrence
Speaker 4: Frank SGA and that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of two. One of two is an m VP, buddy.
Speaker 1: I was telling.
Speaker 4: Two time MVP.
Speaker 1: I was telling Adam. Today was the first in a
Speaker 1: real long time that I got texts from people about
Speaker 1: a good thing that happened to the Clippers. Usually were
Speaker 1: I'm sure getting some form of you know, sucks to
Speaker 1: suck type thing when the Clippers lose. But a good
Speaker 1: thing happened, Adam, we were. We reacted live to the
Speaker 1: fifth pick the thunder also on the wealth from the Clippers,
Speaker 1: which is pretty sweet, but are you still riding that
Speaker 1: high from from winning that the old five? The Fiver,
Speaker 1: the Lincolner.
Speaker 4: I went to the gym and had like the easiest
Speaker 4: two hundred pull up workout because I was floating out there.
Speaker 4: I was good. It was light work. No, I'm stoked.
Speaker 4: I've just there's so much optionality, There's so many different
Speaker 4: directions to go. Uh. But that flexibility is something everybody
Speaker 4: covets in the NBA now, and for the Clippers to
Speaker 4: have some, you know, I beats the zoobots once says
Speaker 4: like the Clippers can't have nice things. They got a
Speaker 4: real nice thing today, and partly because of a beats
Speaker 4: the Zoobots. Who's a blessing to this franchise, and he's
Speaker 4: gonna do great things for Indiana and Indiana. You know,
Speaker 4: I watched some of their streams earlier today, not to
Speaker 4: laugh at them, just to see the reaction. I have
Speaker 4: nothing against the Pacers. I like the Pacers a lot. Haliburton,
Speaker 4: you know, I grew up in Sacktown. I thought they
Speaker 4: never should have trade him. India is gonna be in
Speaker 4: good shape. They're likely a top four seed in the
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference next year at worst when they get healthy.
Speaker 4: So it's not the end of the world for them.
Speaker 4: And I saw their GM came out and apologize to
Speaker 4: the fans on Twitter, which was wild. To see something
Speaker 4: like that. Probably tells you he has very good, strong
Speaker 4: job security actually that he could do something like that,
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, yeah, you know, it was worth the risk,
Speaker 4: and we knew they still get their twenty thirty one
Speaker 4: pick out of it. Right, It's not the end of
Speaker 4: the world. They have a really good team, So it
Speaker 4: beats the Zoobots in the eies. Zuo is detonating on
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference next year.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the flex of ability. Joseph Ry Award sent
Speaker 1: me some thoughts on the on the on the pick,
Speaker 1: he said he does not want cam Boozer Fair don't
Speaker 1: think he'll be there at five. However, a young guard
Speaker 1: and trading Kawhi and Garland are good ideas to him.
Speaker 1: I don't know about trading both. Will are you it's
Speaker 1: only been six hours? Are you keep? Do you want
Speaker 1: to keep the pick? Or do you want Lawrence Frank
Speaker 1: to try and move something with this pick to get
Speaker 1: a franchise guy for one last huzzah with Kawhi. We
Speaker 1: have some trade ideas we're going to talk about too
Speaker 1: in a second. But are you team keep wait, team
Speaker 1: keep the pick? Yeah? Or trade? Yes?
Speaker 3: I'm team keep the pick.
Speaker 1: The overwhelming sentiment I've seen from Clippers fans.
Speaker 3: Team keep the pick.
Speaker 5: I think unless you're unless you're really feeling strongly that
Speaker 5: you don't like like organizationally, if you if you really
Speaker 5: don't like what you think is available at five as
Speaker 5: a potential rebuild. Look, I mean we've about this before.
Speaker 5: It's a zero sum game. I think to try to
Speaker 5: get one more glory run out of quiet. And that's
Speaker 5: to say nothing against where he's at, what he is
Speaker 5: able to achieve. It's just like, realistically, what we can
Speaker 5: put around him. I mean, like you look at this
Speaker 5: league and you look at the direction it's going and
Speaker 5: the age and sort of the speed, and.
Speaker 3: You know, like you just look at all these things.
Speaker 5: We're more than one piece away. And I just so, No,
Speaker 5: I don't really see a scenario in which that pick
Speaker 5: gives you this magical piece that somehow unlocks this a
Speaker 5: title run out of this team as currently constructed.
Speaker 3: I don't see it. And you seem befuddled by this.
Speaker 3: You disagree.
Speaker 4: No, I'm leaning towards keeping the pick the oddest stuff.
Speaker 4: It's not like you're just giving up that pick to
Speaker 4: get I said this, I don't care about that stuff.
Speaker 4: That's for good players, team Dylan Brooks. I want guys
Speaker 4: that help. Really, that's that's a hot take. I'm a fan,
Speaker 4: But he's thirty two, and the injury history and how
Speaker 4: much you're gonna have to give up because there could
Speaker 4: be a major bidding war and he probably has to
Speaker 4: say he wants to come to LA which seems unlikely
Speaker 4: since he probably wants to be closer to Grease. I
Speaker 4: just don't know how much of a possibility that is.
Speaker 4: I was really hoping in the first round the Minnesota
Speaker 4: Timberwolves are going to lose the Denver Nuggets and probably
Speaker 4: should have considering all the injuries they had going on,
Speaker 4: and maybe you can make a run in Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 4: That's a guy I've been looking at for a couple
Speaker 4: of seasons now, just seeing how they trend. But I
Speaker 4: think as long as kind of what you said there
Speaker 4: will well if you like a guy at five, as
Speaker 4: long as you think there's a guy there that can
Speaker 4: be a star, then you have to take that player
Speaker 4: in this draft, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The honest thing that gets me too is he's
Speaker 1: got next year and then a player option, so I'd
Speaker 1: assume he wants some kind of extension agreement to where
Speaker 1: he's going, which terrifies me giving a thirty four year
Speaker 1: old oh Johanness more years.
Speaker 4: He's extension eligible now, so basically, if he doesn't get
Speaker 4: it from Milwaukee, they know if he doesn't take it
Speaker 4: for Milwaukee, they're trading him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I want the excitement of a young,
Speaker 1: fully homegrown Clippers lottery pick like I love the idea
Speaker 1: of Wagler being there at five. We get this, we
Speaker 1: get a larger guard to you know, maybe we don't
Speaker 1: know the defense. I don't know if he'd be ready
Speaker 1: to like start just defensively. But I like the idea
Speaker 1: of a young guy that can really be you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we'd have a we'd have a
Speaker 1: young rook other than Janick, but this would be the
Speaker 1: fifth pick. Like, I want Waggler, but I don't really
Speaker 1: know who's gonna fall, because it seems like the only
Speaker 1: for sure thing is AJ going one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised though, if one of Darren Peterson,
Speaker 4: Cam Boozer or Caleb Wilson might be there at five,
Speaker 4: because I could see one of those guys dropping.
Speaker 1: And I think I want Peterson if I mean, that'd
Speaker 1: be great. Peter.
Speaker 4: I think I don't think he's getting past Utah though,
Speaker 4: because I don't think Danny Ainge. They took Ace Bailey
Speaker 4: when there were concerns there, and remember his agent and
Speaker 4: that video uncle leave his uncle. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 4: know Cam. I wonder how his game translates, just because
Speaker 4: if you're playing the four, you have to guard well
Speaker 4: on the perimeter in today's NBA, and that's really tough.
Speaker 4: And he's a good enough athlete, right and I don't.
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, yeah, Joseph said boozer would be bad.
Speaker 4: So we know that we agreed on that with Joseph
Speaker 4: last time he was on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph does have a direct line to Lawrence Frank.
Speaker 1: So we will see Will what's your big board? What's
Speaker 1: what's Updyke's big board? Who's at five for the Clippers?
Speaker 1: Are you going Wagler? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I'll get the jersey, man, I don't know. We got
Speaker 1: to make sure Carl Tart doesn't get the jersey.
Speaker 4: Apparently it is Woggler after saying Wagler like fifty times
Speaker 4: earlier today. But the scrapancy about that. But he didn't
Speaker 4: have a dunk all of last year, which is a
Speaker 4: little bit strange for a guy's sick six. And one
Speaker 4: of the comps I do have for him.
Speaker 1: Flag it feels like a red flag.
Speaker 4: One of the comps I do see a little bit of.
Speaker 4: Because he's not the best athlete, there's a little bit
Speaker 4: of Kobe Sanders to his game. Now he's been getting
Speaker 4: Halliburton SGA comps because of his size and he's still
Speaker 4: so young. I mean, Kobe Sanders came out at twenty three.
Speaker 4: He's nineteen. Yeah, and he's gonna put on more size.
Speaker 1: He's not an athlete though he's not one.
Speaker 4: He's not a great athlete. I was just told the
Speaker 4: no dunk thing is surprising. But it's like, you can
Speaker 4: see he could have dunked it many times and he doesn't.
Speaker 4: So it's not like it's not like he can't doug. Yeah,
Speaker 4: throw it down big man, throw down six cigar man.
Speaker 4: But like his step back game and there's some just
Speaker 4: silky smooth turnaround stuff. I don't know, I do like him,
Speaker 4: but he was he was number one point fifty in
Speaker 4: recruit rankings going into last year. Like, he had a
Speaker 4: meteoric rise at the end of the season, and part
Speaker 4: of that was because of the lack of athleticism, but
Speaker 4: he was so good and his shot ended up being
Speaker 4: so good that now he looks like a top by pick.
Speaker 1: We're going to do a deeper dive on these prospects, obviously,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the the.
Speaker 3: Heads of ESPN have U was getting woggler wogs.
Speaker 4: I would like to point out log.
Speaker 1: We could say that anytime he dunked on somebody, which
Speaker 1: would be rare.
Speaker 4: But there is as much as it is exciting, Oh
Speaker 4: we got this new guy to build arounds, and there's
Speaker 4: this hope element. Well, after a season or two and
Speaker 4: you see guys limits sometimes that could end up going
Speaker 4: very poorly because they're not what you expected them to be,
Speaker 4: and therefore they can hold back a franchise. So there
Speaker 4: is a double edged sword to the only most of
Speaker 4: you guys exactly.
Speaker 3: And we're talking honestly, most of them will.
Speaker 4: Be So I did this project looking at ten years
Speaker 4: of drafts from two thousand and six to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: and just in the top ten picks, only twenty five
Speaker 4: of the one hundred guys taken in top ten over
Speaker 4: ten years became All Stars. Like there's like a twenty
Speaker 4: five percent chance you were getting an All Stars a
Speaker 4: top ten pick, Like, there's just it is much more
Speaker 4: of a crapshoot than everybody makes it. On draft day
Speaker 4: or during the lottery, everybody's like everybody's gonna be great, everybody's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be year nineteen ninety six, it's like, well, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's chill. It's just the lotto today.
Speaker 4: Right, we get over our skis a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, Yes, And I do like that Wogs or whoever
Speaker 1: comes to the Clippers is not coming as the savior.
Speaker 1: We are not in a scenario where the pressure of
Speaker 1: an entire franchise is on this young player's back. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like it's not an a j situation,
Speaker 1: Like it's like you, it's you can you can learn
Speaker 1: a little bit. We do need you to obviously become
Speaker 1: a contributor, but you're not the number one. You're not.
Speaker 1: Your face isn't outside the whole into a dome because
Speaker 1: you're our only hope for to happen like an okay season.
Speaker 5: Also, Wagler seems like a nickname that Philip Seymour Hoffman's
Speaker 5: character would have made up in the film Boogie Nights
Speaker 5: to impress his friend Dirk Diggler. And uh, I like
Speaker 5: that aspect a lot.
Speaker 1: I do like that aspect. That's a good call. The
Speaker 1: other thing now, because Adam we talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit on the stream earlier, is do the Clippers
Speaker 1: does this change the odds of Kawhi maybe being traded
Speaker 1: because now we can kind of get into this like
Speaker 1: ultra soft rebuild thing. ESPN had four Kawhi trade ideas
Speaker 1: that I wanted to talk about. The first one is
Speaker 1: one that I think we would all probably reject. Kawhi graph.
Speaker 3: What is there an infograph?
Speaker 1: There's not. I mean I could put the Ringer web,
Speaker 1: I could put ESPN website up, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to give them any free press. Kawhi to Golden State
Speaker 1: for which would be Kawhi for Jimmy Butler a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven lotto protected first round pick and a twenty
Speaker 1: thirty two first round pick Lotto protection is crazy to.
Speaker 3: Me on that No, no, hanging up the phone. How
Speaker 3: many years are left on Jimmy's deal? Aren't they still?
Speaker 3: Like three more years?
Speaker 4: We look, But here's the thing. Just a twenty twenty
Speaker 4: seven pick in general doesn't make much sense because if
Speaker 4: they're getting Kawhi, they're going to be really good. Like
Speaker 4: the lottery protection doesn't matter that much to me, because
Speaker 4: it's not going to end up being a lottery pick
Speaker 4: most likely.
Speaker 1: So he has he has fifty seven million next year
Speaker 1: and then he's unregided. He's unrestricted, so he is an expired.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, he's extension in his deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that would be I would not like that pick,
Speaker 1: like you said, just it's like it's not a very
Speaker 1: good pick in twenty twenty seven. I just died.
Speaker 4: I would like picks further out, like the twenty thirty two.
Speaker 4: If they have a twenty thirty I don't know what
Speaker 4: else they have because Golden State will be taking their
Speaker 4: medicine eventually.
Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, Yeah, Courage assigned the two year contract. We
Speaker 1: can assume the window is probably till about twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: The other one Kawhi to Detroit, which would be Kawhi
Speaker 1: plus a twenty twenty nine second round pick from Memphis
Speaker 1: or Portland. We have like the slew of those four
Speaker 1: Duncan Robinson, Karris LeVert, Ron Holland, the second twenty twenty
Speaker 1: seven first round pick from Detroit, twenty twenty nine first
Speaker 1: round pick from Detroit, and then a second round pick
Speaker 1: via Memphis and Memphis gets Paul Reid.
Speaker 4: That was a lot on the screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one I might need on the screen. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we do have the cap of abilities. Everyone's going to
Speaker 1: get to see our breakdowns, which you're very professional, so
Speaker 1: it's highlighted there. It's I like the picks aspect of this.
Speaker 1: It's a twenty twenty seven first round pick, which isn't
Speaker 1: the great, but then twenty twenty nine unprotected. You guys
Speaker 1: also have this breakdown email.
Speaker 3: Still be good unless there's like right.
Speaker 1: Or something that year. Why can't I find it?
Speaker 3: Did you send it to him?
Speaker 4: I'm serious.
Speaker 1: It has shared with two people. I'm sharing it on
Speaker 1: the screen. You guys have editor permissions.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you gave everyone our emails.
Speaker 1: Now you have editor permissions. Yeah, this I don't know.
Speaker 1: And like Duncan Robins, it's it's again, it's it's probably
Speaker 1: not the best the best package.
Speaker 4: I just don't love those two first round picks. They're
Speaker 4: going to be late first round picks. With Detroit. They
Speaker 4: have Kate Cunningham and he's twenty four. Yes, I don't look.
Speaker 4: I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: Of course, but it's not It doesn't feel like a oh,
Speaker 1: they gotta do this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not compelled. I'm not moved.
Speaker 1: Adam is unmoved, Kawhi to Houston, Kawhi and Brook for Alprin, Sengoon,
Speaker 1: Reed Shepherd and Steven Adams.
Speaker 3: That's a no for me.
Speaker 1: I want no part of having Darius Garland and Reed
Speaker 1: Shepherd on the same team that it's you're the guard
Speaker 1: rotation is brutal defensively.
Speaker 5: And like, I I don't want Alprinsting Singun on my team.
Speaker 5: I like, I love watching him play basketball, but there's
Speaker 5: like a hard ceiling on what you can do with
Speaker 5: that kind of center in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm higher on Shngoon than that, but I just don't like.
Speaker 3: Two point zero like it, dude, It's like the same thing.
Speaker 5: If you're not a good defensive center, I don't think
Speaker 5: that you can go very far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just well tell me this, like is going
Speaker 4: to be able to hit three pointers? Because if he
Speaker 4: can play power forward next to Yannick, I'm feel a
Speaker 4: little bit better.
Speaker 1: How much power forward is you played?
Speaker 4: But there's no there's no draft pick there there's no Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. You have to be in love
Speaker 3: with the player haul on that, and I'm I'm just not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's fair.
Speaker 1: And then the final option Kawhi to Miami, which would
Speaker 1: which I can see. Miamis said they're going to try
Speaker 1: and make a push for like any superstar possible.
Speaker 4: They have telegraph things. They're helping the business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the opposite of the Clippers, where they're like,
Speaker 1: there's no leaks because we are telling you exactly what
Speaker 1: we're going to try and do. Anton Kawhi and Chris Dunn.
Speaker 1: So Joseph Haardi likes it for Tyler Hero Andrew Wiggins
Speaker 1: twenty thirty unprotected first, twenty thirty two unprotected first.
Speaker 4: Did you've seen Tyler Heroes contract? I don't know. Tyler
Speaker 4: Hero with back, I think you'd have to move Darius
Speaker 4: Garland if you do this, well, I don't know if
Speaker 4: I like him.
Speaker 1: He's on a he's an Expiring Heroes in Expiring.
Speaker 4: Oh, so he's due, he's he.
Speaker 1: Makes thirty three million next year, and then he's unrestricted
Speaker 1: in twenty seven eight.
Speaker 3: So you get the privilege of either like re signing
Speaker 3: him or just letting him walk.
Speaker 1: And and A twenty thirty unprotected first and A twenty
Speaker 1: thirty two unprotected first.
Speaker 3: Twenty thirty that's kind of spicy.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 3: It's kind of spicy. Thing is that heat are so unpredictables?
Speaker 3: Isn't terrible?
Speaker 1: Like this is like, yeah, they are.
Speaker 3: They're a team though that would like those could end
Speaker 3: up both being like the fourteenth pick both pigs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you can move.
Speaker 4: Not go to bottom out. They're not that type of franchise.
Speaker 4: And we also have to consider the new draft rules coming, yes,
Speaker 4: like if they're flattening things to this degree trying to
Speaker 4: gauge whether or not how high of a pick it
Speaker 4: could be when everybody is going to have the same odds, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that completely changed the equation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Also the heat being in the getting a lottery pick
Speaker 5: this year was the first time in seven years.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, so none of I none of these
Speaker 1: are like, none of these are make the deal right now.
Speaker 3: Like honestly, if you just worked it, the Warriors.
Speaker 5: Would be willing to to like tinker with that, like
Speaker 5: the future lot of situation. Like, well, that's just kind
Speaker 5: of interesting because those picks are the most attracted to me.
Speaker 5: But you bringing up the flattening of the lottery odds
Speaker 5: also kind of throws a wrench in the whole.
Speaker 1: Time because it's also like the Clippers kind of put
Speaker 1: the screws to the Pacers when it came to the
Speaker 1: pick protections because the Pacers wanted it full lot of protected.
Speaker 1: It no deal, no deal Warriors.
Speaker 4: If the Warriors instead of going twenty twenty seven, they
Speaker 4: own their twenty twenty nine pick, if you went twenty
Speaker 4: twenty nine and twenty thirty two, I'd be interested, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would be all right with that. The heat one
Speaker 1: is intriguing.
Speaker 4: But I want khalil ware from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But they love him, don't they do?
Speaker 4: They know he's good and has the kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he had such a good start
Speaker 1: to the season and then he just kind of kind
Speaker 1: of disappeared. The other the only other rumor right now,
Speaker 1: per Brett Siegel, who's never wrong, was reporting Cam Johnson
Speaker 1: to the Clippers with sure Klai, no, not for Kwhy
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find Cam Johnson bread.
Speaker 4: All right, he's expiring after this year.
Speaker 1: He's expiring.
Speaker 4: Twenty three million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like I don't know, sign and trade or
Speaker 1: whatever or you do the hell because I don't know
Speaker 1: if they do a hard reset, because you could trade,
Speaker 1: like I mean, Bogie and Brooke. It's two expirings.
Speaker 4: Why is Denver doing this?
Speaker 1: No, That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Seagull stress
Speaker 1: may potential move is hinged on Leonard, But if the
Speaker 1: Clippers turned serious and going after Johnson, they could offer
Speaker 1: Bogged and then Nick Patoom. It seems like kind of
Speaker 1: something he's just putting together because why would like Nick
Speaker 1: Patoma is very good.
Speaker 4: But the only way I could see it if they
Speaker 4: were shedding some salary yeah out of this so that
Speaker 4: they can sign because Peyton Watson is a restricted free.
Speaker 1: Agent and they want to keep Peyton Watson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe in a scenario like that, I'd like
Speaker 4: Cam Johnson for a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happens shoots the ball well, I mean he
Speaker 1: has what the Clippers need, right, which is size and
Speaker 1: shooting the ball.
Speaker 4: Well, he also has an injury record and he actually overall.
Speaker 3: Which is also what the Clippers need.
Speaker 1: We crave, Yeah, we have, we needed it.
Speaker 4: If we're losing some of those guys, we got to
Speaker 4: get some back here. Even things out point with that
Speaker 4: injury played identity.
Speaker 1: They can't always be hurt, right, lot of averages.
Speaker 4: Dude, he did kind of underperform this season, Like that
Speaker 4: didn't end up necessarily being an upgrade over Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, Mike and Michael Porter Junior did recently admit
Speaker 1: that once he didn't make the All Star team stopped trying.
Speaker 4: Which is and even then numbers pret decent. By the way,
Speaker 4: Brooklyn did not get rewarded for their.
Speaker 1: Taking, neither the Kings, well the Kings.
Speaker 4: The Kings screwed themselves though in some ways don't go
Speaker 4: seven and seven fourteen game stretch, like Washington got rewarded,
Speaker 4: Utah got rewarded, Utah got fined again.
Speaker 1: And got right. I forgot that this time.
Speaker 4: It was half a million dollars, totally worth it. Like
Speaker 4: NBA is acting like why do you they're incentivized to take,
Speaker 4: Like what do you if you're not going to make
Speaker 4: a snipper penalty? Why why wouldn't they.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to in five years when they reverse
Speaker 1: the rules where if you win the championship you actually
Speaker 1: get the number one pick, and if you finished dead
Speaker 1: last you get the you get the worst pick the opposite.
Speaker 4: The three two one situation does have the bottom three
Speaker 4: records having worsh odds than like the eighteen right in
Speaker 4: front of them, so that is kind of an interesting solution.
Speaker 1: It's weird we're gonna do some more draft deep dives
Speaker 1: in the episodes.
Speaker 5: Instead of like worrying about the draft order odds and tanking,
Speaker 5: Like I'm so tired of hearing about this, Like every
Speaker 5: casual like conversation that you have, someone who kind of
Speaker 5: barely follows the NBA is like, yeah, well they got
Speaker 5: to just stop the tanking thing, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like do they? I like, how many of these games
Speaker 3: between tanking teams are you really watching? And b how
Speaker 3: about we just fix the schedule?
Speaker 4: What I agree?
Speaker 3: What are we doing in five?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Fix the things that actually matter?
Speaker 4: I think to the NBA what matters here is the
Speaker 4: relationships with gambling companies and some of these teams that
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like when Utah was in Miami
Speaker 4: and they didn't play marketing in Triple J in the
Speaker 4: fourth quarter when they were killing them. I think that's
Speaker 4: what they're more concerned about than anything. But I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I think the real issues would be about getting stars
Speaker 4: to play more, which means fixing the schedule. And they're
Speaker 4: not going to reduce games. They're never going to do that.
Speaker 4: That that they're gonna lose money that way. That's that's
Speaker 4: in the new Broadcast rice deal with Media Rized deal.
Speaker 4: They just did so, extend the schedule, start a little
Speaker 4: bit earlier and a little bit later one or the other.
Speaker 4: Less back to backs.
Speaker 1: No eighteen game months. Start there.
Speaker 4: Start with March.
Speaker 1: Start with March, March, work backwards from March.
Speaker 3: Take a look at November, because someone wasn't right there either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of free time in November
Speaker 1: for some reason. That's so good. Uh. Coming up, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking a bunch of random stuff. We have.
Speaker 1: Dip took, one of the show's enemies won a Pulitzer Prize.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an enemy. It just kind
Speaker 1: of sucks. All of that coming up after this quick
Speaker 1: audio break. If you're listening to us, gonna be ads.
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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip. We're all
Speaker 5: members of the podcast. Definitely read the rundown before recording. Uh,
Speaker 5: we talked about the Clippers when in the draft. Uh,
Speaker 5: with the number five pick. Sounds like some bark's going
Speaker 5: on there. But now we get to get into the
Speaker 5: core of the of the off season content, which is
Speaker 5: of course dip talk and whatever else is going on. Uh.
Speaker 5: Pablo Torre, dear friend of the show, recently won a
Speaker 5: prestigious award. Adam, do you want to tell us some
Speaker 5: more about that?
Speaker 4: Uh don't know about it. You got the polls. I
Speaker 4: don't care.
Speaker 1: Did that make yours? Did that like make any of
Speaker 1: your any want in this podcast? Recordings like oh no
Speaker 1: kind of go off more.
Speaker 4: Like we're more concerned about the investigation. Not really, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I I'm glad people are trying to go
Speaker 4: more in depth and less broad strokes and more detailed
Speaker 4: because there's less of that in sports media now. That so, I,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to act like I hate
Speaker 4: Pablo Torre.
Speaker 3: He's a great journalist.
Speaker 4: His I are directed at the Clippers, and some of
Speaker 4: it seemed like it became personal at times, which is
Speaker 4: strange and seems a little bit on the unprofessional side.
Speaker 4: But I think overall, like I could see why you
Speaker 4: got the award, especially because this is it's innovative, because
Speaker 4: now it's you know, it's not a write up, it's
Speaker 4: not a scientific journal. This is a podcast form of journalism. Here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it does. I do like it because
Speaker 1: it makes me feel better about our chances to win
Speaker 1: a Bullitzer. Now that he kind of broke this ground,
Speaker 1: I think that there's another Clipper Center.
Speaker 3: Podcast for dip podcasting.
Speaker 1: Dip podcasting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you listen to the newest drop the newest
Speaker 5: newest episode?
Speaker 4: I didn't. This was the first one, and I said,
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, I don't know what I'm I cause,
Speaker 1: kind of to Adam's point, we did learn some things
Speaker 1: from the initial let's call it two episodes where you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I love the Clippers, but you're looking at some stuff
Speaker 1: and you're like, damn, okay, it feels like I missed up.
Speaker 1: You just learning, you learn things. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: I'm learning from part five five B.
Speaker 4: This is this is ten maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like and no disrespect to the investor,
Speaker 1: the guy who they interviewed and stuff. But I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I understand the slant from where this is coming. I
Speaker 1: I don't expect to see a piece where it goes.
Speaker 1: The guest is like, actually it was all above, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4: He's hinted so much of his reputation to this investigation
Speaker 4: that it will hurt his credibility if the investigation ends
Speaker 4: up being nothing from the NBA or to slap on
Speaker 4: the wrist, or its less than it'll less than that.
Speaker 1: The Pulitzer prizes credibility too, because they specifically reference that
Speaker 1: the reason he won the award.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a lot. There's a lot on the
Speaker 4: line here. But he would just say, well, I'm guessing
Speaker 4: he and anybody else and basically every fan base outside
Speaker 4: of the Clippers, they're going to be like, Oh, they're
Speaker 4: getting away with it, blah blah blah. They won't look
Speaker 4: into the details that the Clippers actually aren't penalized for this.
Speaker 4: They'll just be like, well, Ballmer's the richest owner of
Speaker 4: North America and they won't care about the facts. At
Speaker 4: that point, I'm fine with whatever comes out. If there's
Speaker 4: a punishment that comes out from.
Speaker 3: It, then I mean nothing we can do about it.
Speaker 4: We got to take it like, yeah, it sucks. It
Speaker 4: sucks for the fan base because they haven't done anything wrong.
Speaker 4: So I hope that the Clippers are right and what
Speaker 4: they've been saying all along, we haven't done anything wrong
Speaker 4: and if that's what the investigation finds, then that's where
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that no, absolutely no idea. When this thing
Speaker 1: is wrapping up the most expensive law firm. We said
Speaker 1: it on the show in the beginning, they like billable hours.
Speaker 1: I keep there's this like discourse on the internet that
Speaker 1: it's been swept under the rug, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: just still investigating. Yeah, they don't put out press releases
Speaker 1: for that. I know it's boring, but like, we're not
Speaker 1: getting up We're not gonna get updates from the law firm.
Speaker 4: It does feel like momentum has shifted from Oh, the
Speaker 4: Clippers are getting hammered. This is it. They're taking away
Speaker 4: five draft picks. It's gonna be like the Minnesota Timberwolves
Speaker 4: in the early two thousands too. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: anything's coming out of this. The one I did one
Speaker 4: episod so called Adam finds out because I think Pablo
Speaker 4: stepped in a little bit. He shifted things from multiple times,
Speaker 4: and I get it, as new evidence comes in, you
Speaker 4: have to change your opinion on things. But there were
Speaker 4: multiple times where he said the money was too close,
Speaker 4: and then as he found that more money was put
Speaker 4: in and now it's no longer fifty million in, fifty
Speaker 4: million out, and that nice and tight number doesn't work.
Speaker 4: He kind of has to shift to say, well, but
Speaker 4: there's this and there's that, and it's like, well, before
Speaker 4: you were saying it's too close to be a coincidence,
Speaker 4: and now the money doesn't work anymore. You're going in
Speaker 4: a different direction. That to me was telling, And he
Speaker 4: followed me on X right after I put that out.
Speaker 1: Hell, yes, so he might watch the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, all right.
Speaker 1: Further off season talk.
Speaker 3: Also, why didn't you win the the Pulitzer for the
Speaker 3: fucking finding the the.
Speaker 1: Hip hop.
Speaker 3: For finding the hip hop record that the GM did?
Speaker 1: Yes? Like, where's the Pulitzer for the that was?
Speaker 3: That was incredible journal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That's what he should be reordered for. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a classic case of which would you rather
Speaker 1: have Jalen Brown twitch stream or Paul George podcast.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with the twitch stream, which as bad, really,
Speaker 5: as bad as it is, I would still rather have
Speaker 5: Jalen Brown on my team than Paul George.
Speaker 1: Fair. So you're taking it holistically, Yeah, Adam star player
Speaker 1: with a twitch stream, tarp star player with the.
Speaker 4: Podcast Paul George had, Jerry west On, he had good
Speaker 4: guests on. He had good shows, like people just hating
Speaker 4: just to hate, Like I don't think it's what it
Speaker 4: was him and just Dallas and his buddy. Okay, well
Speaker 4: that's different. But when he has like he did a
Speaker 4: lot of them with guests, like a lot of good guests.
Speaker 4: So fine with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would rather have podcasts than than
Speaker 1: twitch stream. Twitch stream also has a more sinister vibe
Speaker 1: to it. Also, Adam Jalen Brown had very famous people
Speaker 1: on his twitch stream. Look at these guys. You're telling
Speaker 1: me you don't know who these guys are. He had
Speaker 1: good guests too, Dude.
Speaker 4: Did he just bring in some Boston Celtic expense?
Speaker 1: Literally, I think they're Boston sak their Celtics bloggers.
Speaker 4: I like the Jalen Brown too, but the end of
Speaker 4: the season and some of the remarks he made, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not close enough to the situation to know.
Speaker 4: Versus Paul George.
Speaker 3: They are both guys to me who like put their
Speaker 3: foot in their mouths, like like despite even doing like
Speaker 3: good things off the course and on the court, and
Speaker 3: like I just I've already had the PG experience.
Speaker 5: I think I would prefer to a if if things
Speaker 5: in a sliding doors scenario.
Speaker 3: I guess your favorite the Jalen Brown experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting. And then finally, Sexy Red took
Speaker 1: a picture with Kawhi Leonard at the airport. Where do
Speaker 1: we think Kawhi was going? Atlanta? I think he was
Speaker 1: going international. He likes his international off season trips.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, yeah he is usually.
Speaker 4: Was he a Cuba before with his hair out? Looked
Speaker 4: like a model next to that truck or.
Speaker 1: That he was like drinking out of the coconut. I
Speaker 1: think it was Cuba. Maybe he went to Eastern Montana.
Speaker 1: Was that Eastern Montana or No, I don't know where
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, that's fair. I think he was going international.
Speaker 1: He gets another healthy off season, which is great. Happy
Speaker 1: for Kawhi to be enjoying this time. He was not
Speaker 1: on the same flight as Sexy Red. I'm perfectly okay
Speaker 1: with my team not spending time with famous rappers.
Speaker 4: I'm unfamiliar with her game.
Speaker 3: Well, she's your favorite trappers, favorite rappers, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll send a playlist with the rundown next time
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about Sexy Red a lot
Speaker 1: this offseason.
Speaker 4: Greatest hits, catch me up to speed.
Speaker 1: Greatest hits. Okay, I will send you three tracks. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now the most important part of the off season episodes
Speaker 1: the dip. Talk here in the off season on clips
Speaker 1: and dip. We do make dips. Send us your recipes.
Speaker 1: We will make the dip. Adam, what did you make
Speaker 1: or bring for a dip today? We were originally supposed
Speaker 1: to record on Friday, so we had some extra time
Speaker 1: to get a dip ready.
Speaker 4: No, I think it actually worked against me because I
Speaker 4: had a dip on Friday. I was all ready to go,
Speaker 4: but then it was so good that I ate it
Speaker 4: and didn't leave any for today. And you know, the
Speaker 4: draft thing and I totally forgot and it's just, you know,
Speaker 4: it's weak. Two of the dips are back on Clips
Speaker 4: and Dip, but mistakes were made. It might be week
Speaker 4: three thousand apologies.
Speaker 1: No, A thousand apologies is fine.
Speaker 3: That's good. Put your finger in something weird and you're
Speaker 3: free to eat it right now.
Speaker 4: If I had some yogurt left in there, okay, I
Speaker 4: can get something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: In the spirit of this thing, will what did you
Speaker 5: go with Okay, so if you were watching this on video.
Speaker 5: If you're not, you should be at some YouTube dot
Speaker 5: com slash at Clippers podcast. I was kind of snacking
Speaker 5: throughout and I got something it's going to.
Speaker 3: Stretch the bounds really of what a dip is.
Speaker 5: Hell, I don't have any left to show, but I
Speaker 5: was eating some delicious, uh, some delicious I'm trying to
Speaker 5: see if I can share a picture. I can't, but
Speaker 5: I was eating some delicious loop beans. I was eating
Speaker 5: it during the podcast, and so anyways, it's kind of
Speaker 5: the dip is pre applied to the vessel, in this case,
Speaker 5: the vessel being a bean. The dip is olive oil, salt, garlic,
Speaker 5: and herbs and you kind of toss them together. And
Speaker 5: I'm gonna still say that that counts as a dip
Speaker 5: in the same way that I believe Nacho's counts as
Speaker 5: as dip. Okay, sorry, it just does.
Speaker 1: You're talking now, not verb of course, because sometimes the dip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because salsa not technically a dip, but you can dip
Speaker 1: something into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lucpini bean also a very underrated bean. For those listening, Adam,
Speaker 1: you seem to have some consternation on your face, as
Speaker 1: Will describes this dip.
Speaker 4: I'm feeling better about my dip?
Speaker 1: Wow, where do you go?
Speaker 3: And I would bring it to a party.
Speaker 5: Are a barbecue and actually have in fact already done
Speaker 5: that and I partook they were delicious.
Speaker 4: Would we like to talk about to dip or not
Speaker 4: to dip? That is the question. What constitutes a dip?
Speaker 4: And I think I found something interesting here?
Speaker 1: How holds this sauce bottle?
Speaker 4: Not at all?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: And I will be eating it, but it is it's
Speaker 4: a barbecue dip.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's a dip. And the reason
Speaker 4: I can say that is it fucking says it hinders
Speaker 4: wing sauce and dip. It says sauce and dip. And
Speaker 4: you know why because the thickness this is sticky, honey barbecue.
Speaker 4: This isn't this little sand watery thing.
Speaker 3: This is qualify it?
Speaker 1: Okay, great, and we salvaged it. I went, I had
Speaker 1: a busted dip today. Wait? What do you enjoying the
Speaker 1: dip with? About them? Okay? Finger left index? I went
Speaker 1: with kso with salsa from Tacos via Corona mixed into it.
Speaker 3: Oh nice? Did you go to tacos via Corona.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I went today and I'm enjoying them
Speaker 1: with El Priiso chips. They got some with sunglasses. You
Speaker 1: can't really beat that branding. I would bring this to
Speaker 1: a barbecue, for sure. The spice the sauce is a
Speaker 1: little hot, so it gives it some kick, which is
Speaker 1: really good. But it is very lazy. I put in
Speaker 1: no effort compared to last weeks, but.
Speaker 3: I feel bad that I didn't have more to show. Sorry,
Speaker 3: it was just too delicious.
Speaker 1: I think we went three for three.
Speaker 3: Oudam, you're bringing that to a barbecue?
Speaker 1: Asson?
Speaker 3: Yeah, have a little taste off your finger.
Speaker 4: Why not. Kinders was established in nineteen forty six. Good
Speaker 4: numberful year.
Speaker 1: Damn wow, so they survived. Wow, that's a tough time
Speaker 1: to start a dip company.
Speaker 4: Was World War two ending? This is a celebration.
Speaker 3: An interesting choice to dever resources too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of an interesting thing. All right, Well we're
Speaker 1: three for three on dips again. If anyone has a
Speaker 1: dip recipe you'd like us to try, send it to
Speaker 1: us at clippers pod on Twitter or at Shavings dot
Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com, or in the comments of
Speaker 1: this YouTube video. We'll be back next week talking our
Speaker 1: favorite prospects. Maybe Woggs who knows, probably a happy hour
Speaker 1: live hang will. Where can people review this podcast? If
Speaker 1: they will?
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Speaker 3: It's a good time. It's the off season. We're gonna
Speaker 3: have a lot of fun over here.
Speaker 1: We are, we're already bringing the dips and.
Speaker 3: Now we have, like we have some heat to talk
Speaker 3: about in this offseason.
Speaker 5: Fellas, there's gonna be there's so many potential machinations that
Speaker 5: are spinning around in my head.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be sims, there's gonna be trade ideas, Adam
Speaker 1: where well, No, you have actually the most important job now, wow,
Speaker 1: it might be the easiest you've had in a while.
Speaker 1: Episode wise, give us something positive to even to help
Speaker 1: us ride even higher as Clippers fans after this weekend.
Speaker 4: I mean it used to be in that bad luck,
Speaker 4: they'd have no luck at all. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Things are looking up for this Clippers team all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, and this sends us into the off season
Speaker 4: feeling much better than how the year actually ended. I
Speaker 4: mean they had to they had to trade James Harden,
Speaker 4: he wanted out. They got a guy who's ten years
Speaker 4: younger for him. Did they trade a Visa Zoo Bots
Speaker 4: and they end up getting They still have another pick
Speaker 4: coming from Indianapolis, the twenty twenty nine for a round pick.
Speaker 4: Clippers are in business. Oh by the way, did you
Speaker 4: know they got the thirty six pick in this draft?
Speaker 4: Coming up? Not too shabby, I'd say so. Able to retool,
Speaker 4: be competitive while getting better and continuing to improve and
Speaker 4: refine things. That's Clippers basketball.
Speaker 1: Baby, There we go, that's Clippers basketball. We'll be back
Speaker 1: next week. Thank you for hanging out, and as always,
Speaker 1: let's go Clips.