Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Donald Jeffries.
Speaker 1: He is a researcher and authors of such titles as
Speaker 1: the cult classic novel The Unreals and bestseller's Hidden History,
Speaker 1: Survival of the Richest Crimes and cover Ups in American Politics,
Speaker 1: Bullyocracy and on Borrowed Fame, Money, Mysteries and corruption in
Speaker 1: the entertainment world, as well as Masking the Truth, which
Speaker 1: we will be discussing a bit today. Donald, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How you doing.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Yes, it's great to have you back.
Speaker 1: I love our discussions. It's been a little while, but
Speaker 1: today we're going to discuss not only your book, Masking
Speaker 1: the Truth, how COVID nineteen destroyed civil liberties and shut
Speaker 1: down the world, but also some of the major historical
Speaker 1: events that may have paved the way for this latest
Speaker 1: global operation. We live now in a completely different world
Speaker 1: than it was in twenty nineteen, and it continues to
Speaker 1: rapidly change. Well, gives me hope is the folks like
Speaker 1: yourself exposing the truth and the growing number of people
Speaker 1: that are listening to it. Now there's a lot to
Speaker 1: get into with this book and some of the events
Speaker 1: that I'd like to discuss as well.
Speaker 2: But before we.
Speaker 1: Do that, for the audience that may not be familiar,
Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about yourself and what
Speaker 1: led you to write this book.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been I started into the JFK assassination as
Speaker 2: a teenager back in the mid nineteen seventies. I was
Speaker 2: a volunteer with Mark Lane, who was famous critic of
Speaker 2: the Warner Party read Rush to Judgment those who know
Speaker 2: about the attachment. You know about Mark Lane, he was
Speaker 2: kind of a mentor to me. He was my hero.
Speaker 2: I patterned my politics after him as a civil libertarian.
Speaker 2: So as a teenager, I was already awake. I was
Speaker 2: already complaining about everything. Though it was a utopia compared
Speaker 2: to now, but I was still complaining that. Uh, I
Speaker 2: didn't like things I saw, and I had no idea
Speaker 2: that it could get to this point. But eventually, I,
Speaker 2: you know, I does work. I never gave up on
Speaker 2: my dreams and being a writer. I wrote it in
Speaker 2: my spare time and didn't happen for me until later,
Speaker 2: but eventually it did, and tons of stuff to write about,
Speaker 2: you know, a good ministry. It was the first one.
Speaker 2: I had the Unreels, which is a novel public first,
Speaker 2: and then it's not primarily a novelist. I have other
Speaker 2: novels that I can't get public, so I turned a
Speaker 2: nonfiction for that, you know, just I was frustrated, and
Speaker 2: it's been much easier for me to get non fiction public,
Speaker 2: so I've never run out of stuff to write about
Speaker 2: hid industry. It was just kind of a compendium of
Speaker 2: all my JFK assassination stuff and I just threw everything
Speaker 2: in there. And I think these things are connected, so basically,
Speaker 2: which when they have caa assassination up through the Obama years,
Speaker 2: that's when it was public. Doland Crump's name was even
Speaker 2: mentioned in the because he wasn't even on the radar,
Speaker 2: I believe it or not that public in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: So that was it's still by far my most successful book.
Speaker 2: And then you know, it's like, I'm actually finishing up
Speaker 2: a book on another book on the JFK at taxination
Speaker 2: with a couple other people that will been looking at
Speaker 2: her it's and in depth. But until this book, that
Speaker 2: was the closest I came to a Kennedy book. And
Speaker 2: I was the first one to look into the death
Speaker 2: of JFK. Jr. I think it was an assassination, and
Speaker 2: I have the result of that in that book. And
Speaker 2: nine to eleven Waco upon the City. All these things,
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't I don't think we left much out,
Speaker 2: so people still, you know, contact me about that book.
Speaker 2: But after that, you know, I wrote Survival of the
Speaker 2: Richards about the economic crimes and cover ups American politics
Speaker 2: seventy seventy nineteen sixty three, which is a prequel to
Speaker 2: Hidden History and talks about earlier stuff from the revolution
Speaker 2: to the assassination that one has afforded by Ron Paul,
Speaker 2: who is very gratified for. And I wrote Bulliocracy about
Speaker 2: the bullying in schools. And I wrote on bar and
Speaker 2: Fame was my last book before this, about corruption and
Speaker 2: the mysteries in the economic disparity in the entire entertainment world.
Speaker 2: Then finally Masking the Truth, which is a kind of
Speaker 2: a logical thing for me too. This I call it
Speaker 2: the greatest side in the history in the world. So
Speaker 2: I don't know how I could not comment on it.
Speaker 2: So I think it's the most important story, and it
Speaker 2: kind of leaves all those other things they all pale
Speaker 2: in com parenton DFK nine to eleven, all that stuff,
Speaker 2: it's nothing compared to what the greatest five in the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that those large events were
Speaker 1: all kind of paving the way for this, and looking back,
Speaker 1: it's very disturbing when you can put together the amount
Speaker 1: of coordination and planning that went into not only the
Speaker 1: COVID operation, but previous large events in our history. And
Speaker 1: I think it's a good place to start. Let's let's
Speaker 1: start with a little bit of the hidden history. As
Speaker 1: your previous book discusses, there were several major events that
Speaker 1: have steered the collective in certain directions, depending on what
Speaker 1: the desired outcome was at the time. And these events
Speaker 1: prey on fear and human emotions illicit knee jerk global responses,
Speaker 1: which then allow manipulation of laws and removal of freedoms
Speaker 1: more and more, which with each event, and this is
Speaker 1: where we find ourselves. These events are psychological operations. They're
Speaker 1: planned and developed for very long times, which I find
Speaker 1: very disturbing by very psychotic and malevolent but powerful groups.
Speaker 1: And I think a good place to start. You start
Speaker 1: with the JFK assassination, but it seems that even before that,
Speaker 1: after World War Two, and even some of the events
Speaker 1: prior to World War Two, it started paving the way
Speaker 1: for an infiltration really into all aspects of our political,
Speaker 1: scientific mass media. Would you agree, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's why I wanted to write the prequel to
Speaker 2: Sure It Hit Crime to cover us because really most
Speaker 2: of this stuff, not all because their indications for instance,
Speaker 2: to where I research. And I'm going to have another
Speaker 2: line of Hitting Entry coming out next year as well.
Speaker 2: It'll go back into all these things. And it kind
Speaker 2: of the combination of both books to the look, we
Speaker 2: look at some of the older stuff and American Revolution
Speaker 2: everything and lots more of that JFK Assassination JFK Junior
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, Oklahoma City, a lot. You know, people
Speaker 2: that like the other books should should love this one.
Speaker 2: But I'd thought it saying that most of this began
Speaker 2: with Lincoln, most of the he sent most of the precedents.
Speaker 2: And since you look at the January sixth prisoners today,
Speaker 2: uh they if anyone complained, and nobody's complaining except for
Speaker 2: people like me. I mean, there are no Libertarians left,
Speaker 2: so the ACLU doesn't care. Nobody cares that these people
Speaker 2: have been in prison for two years. I've denied all
Speaker 2: due process. They've been apparently, you know, eaten and solid,
Speaker 2: tart and fine. We don't even know exactly because people
Speaker 2: can't even go visit them. And the ones who have
Speaker 2: been SCEs have gotten ridiculous. Their coronian sentences at violent criminals,
Speaker 2: I don't get, and none of them really haven't been
Speaker 2: convicted of doing anything violent. They're gets there, they were
Speaker 2: there protesting, So this is an outrage their political prisoners.
Speaker 2: But if you go back to Lincoln, Lincoln's the first
Speaker 2: one who kept political prisoners. He's the one who suspended
Speaker 2: the rint of the heaviest corporates, and he threw people
Speaker 2: who opposed his war policies and who's trampling on the
Speaker 2: rights of cimiliberties in the North. He throw those people
Speaker 2: in in mickschiff Chales, and he suspended the river in
Speaker 2: heavy corporus, which they might as well done for these
Speaker 2: people of January. Takeouse have been that I do process.
Speaker 2: So if anybody did complain about this, that would be
Speaker 2: the government's response. They would cite Lincoln for presidents and
Speaker 2: they'd say, you know, this is another insurrection just like
Speaker 2: that so that, but so again Lincoln set to play
Speaker 2: for that. Lincoln shutdown of protuited newspapers. He did so
Speaker 2: many things in Lincoln. Lincoln's troops set the tone for
Speaker 2: the total war sports Earth policy that our troops have
Speaker 2: used in every conflict since then. We're the ones that.
Speaker 1: Done a lot, don't. I hate to interrupt you, but uh,
Speaker 1: there seems to be some kind of strange interference on
Speaker 1: your line. Every every once in a while, it's alms
Speaker 1: to be kind of breaking up a bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's anything that you can can roll, or
Speaker 1: if they just don't like what you say.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I get that once all most of
Speaker 2: the time, but I have the right the right microphopes.
Speaker 1: Just every once in a while, it's very strange, very strange.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get through.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1: Fine, Now, Okay, maybe they.
Speaker 2: Don't like some of the things I'm saying. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't surprise me. But so anyway, so he
Speaker 2: started a lot of these presidents, and then we saw
Speaker 2: in World War One, Woodrow Wilson again cited Lincoln's precedents
Speaker 2: to lock up World War One protesters who were against
Speaker 2: the war, and in War two after R took that
Speaker 2: a step further, and because there were almost no war
Speaker 2: protesters because people saw what happened the last time, and
Speaker 2: they were scared as much as you see people are
Speaker 2: scared of what happened in January. Tick defendants now people
Speaker 2: and I don't want to go to jail. So there
Speaker 2: were very few people openly opposed to it because the
Speaker 2: country was just locked it, you know, planning victory gardens
Speaker 2: and buying and everything, the entire entire entertainment industry, you know,
Speaker 2: Bugs Bunny and the three suits. Everybody just telling people
Speaker 2: that you know, there's bad buy bonds and contra victory
Speaker 2: gardens and uh, but you did have with what FDR did.
Speaker 2: He rounded up Japanese Americans, but not just Japanese Americans,
Speaker 2: he rounded up Italian Americans and German Americans too. Uh.
Speaker 2: They never got their heiress, never got reparations, and nobody
Speaker 2: even talks about them because primarily because they're white, I think.
Speaker 2: And so all these people were thrown into concentration camps.
Speaker 2: And now that I'll have more in the next book,
Speaker 2: the detail to what they did. They stole millions of
Speaker 2: dollars in property these people, in terms of businesses and homes,
Speaker 2: and they never gave them back. But it's incredible crime
Speaker 2: that's never even mentioned nobody, nobody, But you're not gonna
Speaker 2: see it anywhere else except in my books. There's nobody
Speaker 2: else is even talking about it. So those are the
Speaker 2: kind of things that even down to the personal treatment
Speaker 2: of the prisoners at Kwantanu Obay want to George W.
Speaker 2: Bush's lawyers cited Lincoln, wait what he did, and yes,
Speaker 2: we should be able to do this these prisoners. So
Speaker 2: that's the problem, is that these things are connected historically.
Speaker 2: And of course when you look at the psyops and
Speaker 2: the false flags, you go back to eighteen ninety eight
Speaker 2: the war with Spain, the Spanish American War, which was
Speaker 2: again precipitated by first modern falls flag, which is the
Speaker 2: supposed blowing up of the main which even the court
Speaker 2: historians eventually admitted, well that it was in the Spanish,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter. We still thought a war that
Speaker 2: made no sense. Everybody who died was completely senseless, and
Speaker 2: it was partcipitated by life. The same thing happened in
Speaker 2: World War One, when a lot more people died because
Speaker 2: of the Luisitania. That's thinking of the Louisatania, the exact
Speaker 2: same script. Later they would admit the Germans didn't blow
Speaker 2: it up. It doesn't matter, goes down in the history
Speaker 2: of that way. And then of course Pearl Harbor, another
Speaker 2: false flag that got us into World War Two, all
Speaker 2: the way down to weapons of master was talking in
Speaker 2: the Vietnam weapons of mass destruction. And what I would
Speaker 2: call the greatest socia up on the wall is the
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen phantom virus, which they can't even prove exist.
Speaker 2: They've never isolated. They can't isolate it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: You know, so many people have had it, right, it's
Speaker 2: so deadly, but somehow they can't find it to isolate
Speaker 2: it because whatever people have asked for it, they tell them,
Speaker 2: we don't have any isolates available. So in other words,
Speaker 2: they can't prove it exist. So that's why, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the gist of my bookcase. You're right, these things
Speaker 2: are all connected, and we couldn't have had COVID nineteen
Speaker 2: without all those other things happening. And again no opposition
Speaker 2: from our leaders and very little opposition from the public
Speaker 2: except you know, rabble rouser, it's like me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And fear, like you were saying, is the biggest
Speaker 1: driving factor. There always has to be this invisible enemy
Speaker 1: or invisible boogeyman that we can't quite reach. But with
Speaker 1: the help of participation with our government and military industrial complex,
Speaker 1: we may be able to capture these enemies, and we
Speaker 1: may be able to stop this pandemic. So it's all
Speaker 1: about keeping us in a perpetual state of fear so
Speaker 1: that we have to rely on Daddy government to protect us.
Speaker 2: Well, when's the last time you even heard the word terrorists?
Speaker 2: What happened in terrorists?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, now it's domestic terrorists.
Speaker 2: Now we are the data exactly, But what happened I'll
Speaker 2: see Aida, I'll change you to say, okay, what happened
Speaker 2: out here? What happened to you know? All of those
Speaker 2: are all gone. You never hear any talk about them,
Speaker 2: the Taliban, all that stuff, because it's irrelevant now because
Speaker 2: the new hob novelin is COVID nineteen and the even
Speaker 2: more importantly, as you mentioned, domestic parrots. Those who are
Speaker 2: protesting the tyranny. Whether you were science deniers, were COVID deniers,
Speaker 2: were election deniers all some kind of thing, you denial.
Speaker 2: They're saying, we have a met alonist. We're the terrorists now,
Speaker 2: so you're right, it's domestic terrorists. People that are opposing
Speaker 2: the state, the terrorists. But what happened to for decades,
Speaker 2: this is the overriding issue we have, the war against terrorism?
Speaker 2: What happened? Did we win it? I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. We want it? How do we
Speaker 2: win it? Because we were financing it out? But again,
Speaker 2: people are so stupid in America. They're so dumb down
Speaker 2: that they don't even blanket As I try to tell
Speaker 2: them what happened to terrorism, they just give you a
Speaker 2: blank look. They just they just they're so conditioned they
Speaker 2: absolutely can't think for themselves. Otherwise they would certainly question
Speaker 2: how did COVID nineteen supplant terrorism that was supposed to
Speaker 2: be That's why we supposedly after nine to eleven, why
Speaker 2: you know we had to have free speech done us,
Speaker 2: why we had to have a Patriot Act to protect
Speaker 2: us from the terrorists. As George w it's if you're
Speaker 2: not with us, you're against it. You know all this nonsense.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody named Mohammad would suspect what happened all
Speaker 2: that is, it's all gone, so they're okay, Now, I
Speaker 2: guess terrorists have been defeated by COVID nineteen. So one
Speaker 2: good thing came out of this virus.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I hate to be cynical, but there
Speaker 1: seems to be a level of deception to everything that
Speaker 1: is allowed to be approved by the mainstream media, that
Speaker 1: is allowed to come across your television screen, that it
Speaker 1: all serves a purpose of a distraction for something else
Speaker 1: that is more real, something else that is more important,
Speaker 1: and that usually has to do with our own path
Speaker 1: and our own spiritual growth. But that's the last thing
Speaker 1: they want us, and the last thing they want us
Speaker 1: doing is coming together and discussing things like this. So
Speaker 1: that's where they have the political separation. They want it
Speaker 1: as far right or as extremely crazy left as possible
Speaker 1: so that we don't see what's going on in these
Speaker 1: gray spaces that the real truth lies, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, they want to well, they basically don't want
Speaker 2: any descent at all, and almost all the detent now
Speaker 2: is coming right, So that's why they're trying to demonize
Speaker 2: their right there to the extent that I basically I
Speaker 2: should still be on the left. That's where it came from.
Speaker 2: You have people ignoring me, Wolf, my friend, Cynthia McKinney,
Speaker 2: Cindy Sheehan, these are all people I know that there's
Speaker 2: and Robert F. Kennedy Junior could be classified that way
Speaker 2: as well. That's Concentati's campaign manager. But that's that's the
Speaker 2: left that isn't welcomed by the left. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: looks like a dinosaur and they're not. They can't play
Speaker 2: any reindeer games over there, just as I could. And
Speaker 2: so that's it. Other than that, all the opposition is
Speaker 2: coming from the Freedom Caucus and groups like that, Alex
Speaker 2: Jones and whatever. People have had the big platforms. That's
Speaker 2: the opposition to the state and they're all basically right way,
Speaker 2: and so they're trying to demonize those people and they
Speaker 2: call them white supremacists, which they really can't do that
Speaker 2: with the people on the left. They just ignore them.
Speaker 2: I guess. They call them white supremacists, racists, eno phobes,
Speaker 2: the transphobes and all this stuff. Now any kind of name,
Speaker 2: and that's their only argument is to call names. And
Speaker 2: again it goes back who to Lincoln Lincoln was the
Speaker 2: first one to demonize uh, you know, he he would
Speaker 2: basically call he was the first one to say that,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're you're helping the enemy, if you're
Speaker 2: busy like he he had a line, where must I
Speaker 2: hang some some poor uh army deserter and not touch
Speaker 2: a hair of the head of the wily agitator who
Speaker 2: caused him to desert. And that's why you still see
Speaker 2: people coming up with the name going back to Neville
Speaker 2: Chamberlain of World War two and everything, and it's it's
Speaker 2: these people that are pro war. Anybody that's against war, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, gets gets into the name calling, and you're
Speaker 2: either with the enemy or you're you know, you're just
Speaker 2: your your motives are questioning. You can't there's no peace movement.
Speaker 2: Other again, there's a few people on the left, uh
Speaker 2: and myself, yeah, you know, but other than that, there
Speaker 2: is and and some on the right. But which is ironic,
Speaker 2: but it's it's really disgraceful because the the the the
Speaker 2: parameters of debate are so narrow. Now even something like this,
Speaker 2: my book and asking the truth is outside even the
Speaker 2: acceptable parameters for the people who are disputing COVID because
Speaker 2: what makes my difference. I started at point A. Nobody
Speaker 2: else Naomi Wolfing, great books, the bodies of others. I
Speaker 2: look at it right here behind me, I'm a book signing.
Speaker 2: Uh last year, Alex Bearnson, Peter mccallach also have met
Speaker 2: at that book signing. Robert F. Kennedy Junior's book on Falci.
Speaker 2: All great books. But they're basically all responding to the
Speaker 2: lockdown and to the vaccine. So there there they're they're
Speaker 2: basically protesting the response. I go back to point A.
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that I know of that is
Speaker 2: analyzing this thing, and I'm saying, Okay, what is this? See,
Speaker 2: what's what's the genesis? What's the history of COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2: That's what I have in the book, and I think
Speaker 2: anybody that reads it and looks at it, well, especially
Speaker 2: when we know they've it's never been isolated, they can't
Speaker 2: isolate it. So they can't. If you're if it's in
Speaker 2: a quarter a lot, if you your honor, I submit
Speaker 2: that we throw the case out. We can't produce that.
Speaker 2: If the uh the defense can't prove that COVID nineteen exists,
Speaker 2: they can't and uh so that's I think that's what
Speaker 2: makes it do. And I I talk about the empty hospitals,
Speaker 2: I talk about the dancing nurses. I don't shy away
Speaker 2: from any of that because it's an important part of
Speaker 2: the scion Those dances were were I mean, I worked
Speaker 2: in the hospital for a long time, and I can
Speaker 2: tell you that would never be allowed to happen anywhere
Speaker 2: where you'd have a group of nurses with a choreographer
Speaker 2: game with patients in the picture. The hospital administration would
Speaker 2: be mortified, especially in an alleged pandemic. But these these
Speaker 2: nurses were feted. They were brought on the Today Show
Speaker 2: and fawned over by these idiotic alleged journalists and you know,
Speaker 2: treated like heroes. Nobody questioned how did you find the
Speaker 2: time to do that? Who was watching the patients when
Speaker 2: you did that? Who thought of this? Who choreographed it?
Speaker 2: Who thought you guys were such great dancers? I mean,
Speaker 2: none of it makes any sense. I mean, it's all
Speaker 2: to me. It's all part of the scripted element. And
Speaker 2: when you combine that with the empty hospitals and people
Speaker 2: like Jason Goodman and Citizen Richard on my show many
Speaker 2: times to film these things the same time, the media
Speaker 2: was telling you there were so many bodies that morts
Speaker 2: couldn't fit them in there, and they had refrigerated trucks,
Speaker 2: and the film the refrigerated trucks all in an off position.
Speaker 2: None of them are on because there were nobodies that
Speaker 2: the media kept telling you that some of them sitting
Speaker 2: there on the Schenectady River for a year. Absolute lies
Speaker 2: and they would say, you know this is it's crowded,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Well, these guys would go film the empty hospitals,
Speaker 2: they try to talk to the EMT personel in the
Speaker 2: parking lots to just kind of laughed and giggled when
Speaker 2: they even mentioned COVID all the ambulance sitting there. I
Speaker 2: mean you you know, video doesn't lie. Whatever a pandemic
Speaker 2: look like, it shouldn't look like that.
Speaker 1: Well that what makes me wonder are they intentionally doing
Speaker 1: this as some sort of like revelation of the method.
Speaker 1: Do they think we're that stupid?
Speaker 3: Is this?
Speaker 1: Do they think that this will actually pass off as
Speaker 1: a real event because they're making they're having nurses dance.
Speaker 1: There seems to be like a level of failure to
Speaker 1: where it's waking more people up. Then it's doing the
Speaker 1: intended outcome, and it seems that either this is intentional
Speaker 1: that they're they're making these mistakes, or there's a new
Speaker 1: level of some sort of occult ritualistic aspects that most
Speaker 1: of us don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, there could be something along that with the cult thing,
Speaker 2: but amongst of it is that they do know where
Speaker 2: that's stupid or most of us that stupid. So, uh,
Speaker 2: they're constantly testing themselves. I think they get an inside
Speaker 2: joke kind of kick out of this stuff. And it
Speaker 2: goes back again to because you're they wouldn't make it
Speaker 2: as obvious. They can they can do a much better
Speaker 2: job of covering up as they try it, but they
Speaker 2: won't want to make it look like this because they
Speaker 2: are basically trying to entertain people like us, it seems
Speaker 2: through it and uh they I they can amuse the
Speaker 2: fact that we see it, and no matter how obvious
Speaker 2: that they make it, we can't convince the people even
Speaker 2: around us, it doesn't. I mean there's people, there are
Speaker 2: probably millions of people where you could literally have foulcy
Speaker 2: to one of those guys look at the screen and
Speaker 2: wink and say, you know, we're just lie to you.
Speaker 2: This is all bullshit, and they would still cling to
Speaker 2: the belief. That's how controlled they are. They can't think
Speaker 2: for themselves, they can't deny the you know, we go
Speaker 2: back to the Milbrim experiments that have been coming back
Speaker 2: in the news again. I've read about them where it
Speaker 2: was back in the nineteen sixties where Yale University professor
Speaker 2: did a series of experiments where he found that eighty
Speaker 2: percent of people will obey authority regardless of how absurd
Speaker 2: the order is. I mean, they basically had these people
Speaker 2: and they would tell them to shock, to click the
Speaker 2: button to shock people for this dumbest of reasons, and
Speaker 2: they never questioned it. Eighty percent never question Nobody said that.
Speaker 2: Eighty percent didn't say, what's the purpose of this? Why
Speaker 2: am I doing this? No, I don't feel comfortable doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's and I think, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do that. Only twenty percent of the
Speaker 2: people did that. So that was then, and people weren't
Speaker 2: quite as I don't think as dumbed down then or
Speaker 2: so it's probably ninety percent now. But so that shows
Speaker 2: you that people, I mean, you had people during the
Speaker 2: act of course of this thing. They were dead.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'm sorry, No, I just said there's some
Speaker 1: days I go back and forth that I think maybe
Speaker 1: the majority of people are seeing through some of the
Speaker 1: bs are free thinkers, are questioning authoritied. And then there's
Speaker 1: some days where I most of the people I come
Speaker 1: across during the day make me think otherwise. So how
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? Do you think that there
Speaker 1: is there does seem to be a larger portion of
Speaker 1: humanity that's questioning and possibly awakening to some of the
Speaker 1: falls history and craziness. But what do you think overall?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it may be slightly larger. But the
Speaker 2: problem we're still so vastly outnumbered. And the people that
Speaker 2: who will not wake up, I've just dug their feet in,
Speaker 2: dug their heels in, and they are they hate people
Speaker 2: like us, and they accept all the regurgitated names. Look
Speaker 2: conspiracy hearers. I mean, I mean called I lost people
Speaker 2: when I started writing, because I didn't buy this for
Speaker 2: a second either. Jerry Penpenny, who graciously read the fourd
Speaker 2: of the book, he was on it from the beginning.
Speaker 2: John Rappaport was on at the beginning. I was on
Speaker 2: at the beginning. I took the platforms I had. I
Speaker 2: was talking about how ridiculous this was. Yes, it was,
Speaker 2: And I lost a lot of people. My own knees
Speaker 2: canceled me. I lost people that who had liked my
Speaker 2: other books, who had liked shows, and who said good
Speaker 2: things written reviews, interviewed me. They said it was dangerous.
Speaker 2: They called me names, and they blocked and beleeted me.
Speaker 2: So I lost a lot going on in the limits
Speaker 2: because they desperately wanted to believe this and this and
Speaker 2: this is almost like I would it's almost like the
Speaker 2: Holocaust is a religious fervor there where it's you really
Speaker 2: anger people by asking questions. So if you ask, if
Speaker 2: you just question, that's at all they it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: they're developed, this is their religion. Oh but I mean,
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable that some of the the responses I got,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, I would post memes of you know,
Speaker 2: things like the grocery store clerks with the plexiglass, you know,
Speaker 2: protecting them from the customer. And there's a porch and
Speaker 2: obviously nothing on top, nothing on the bottom, nothing on
Speaker 2: the side, so I would point and plus the catcher
Speaker 2: is touching every item and putting it in your cart.
Speaker 2: So I was saying, explain the science your you know what,
Speaker 2: what is this virus that will be stopped by a plexiglass,
Speaker 2: But you know, somehow can't figure to go around or
Speaker 2: on top, and uh, it doesn't matter that that the
Speaker 2: person is touching everything you're I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: mass thing i I I pointed out early on. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know you're putting these masks on where every box
Speaker 2: of these masks has a warning note. This is not
Speaker 2: protecting you from viruses like I say, or they wouldn't care.
Speaker 2: You know, they're telling you it doesn't protect you. And
Speaker 2: this COVID was so dangerous, it was so deadly. There
Speaker 2: were no special hasmac containers anywhere for the masks. People
Speaker 2: threw them wherever they wanted. So once they were done
Speaker 2: this deadly covid, germed were everywhere because and nobody said,
Speaker 2: well you can't have that, all these rules they were
Speaker 2: putting out, but somehow that didn't matter. And the biggest
Speaker 2: sign early on, like I said, that this thing was
Speaker 2: politicized as politics went on as usual, southern border was
Speaker 2: never closed. This had been a real pandemic. The first
Speaker 2: thing they would have done is sealed the border, and
Speaker 2: they would have probably banned international travel. They never did that.
Speaker 2: And even when they even even as bad as that
Speaker 2: was when they were letting it, when they started having
Speaker 2: vaccine mandates for all the aplmost all workers, there were
Speaker 2: no vaccine mandates for illegal immigrants. They weren't even checking them.
Speaker 2: They could gets, so that they're politics contradicts what they're saying. Obviously,
Speaker 2: they weren't scared of anything, or they wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: They would have been frightened that someone coming across the
Speaker 2: border might be bringing the deadly COVID. Again, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been caught repeatedly without their masks in public, over
Speaker 2: and over again, not social businessing. They weren't even remotely
Speaker 2: practicing what they preached. So clearly they didn't fear anything.
Speaker 2: So that's the first sign. If this was such a
Speaker 2: deadly thing, you would have seen indications that they were
Speaker 2: scared of it. They didn't it, and they kept making
Speaker 2: up these stupid rules that made no sense.
Speaker 1: What makes me nervous is that they spent so much
Speaker 1: time and energy with the initial COVID scares and then
Speaker 1: the everything to follow with the pandemic, and then the
Speaker 1: jabs and the boosters and all the propaganda to go
Speaker 1: with it. Seems like they spent so much time, effort,
Speaker 1: and money to let that go. Makes me think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see COVID part two in the future. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that positility?
Speaker 2: Why would I mean they showed I mean, this is
Speaker 2: this is the reason. This is such a why I
Speaker 2: call it the greatest side of the history in the
Speaker 2: world because it's the It's the only event I know
Speaker 2: in human history where every single person on the planet
Speaker 2: was impacting everyone. Every country, every country rolled over. There
Speaker 2: wasn't a single peep of protest anywhere. When they decided
Speaker 2: to lock everything down, the entire world would shut down
Speaker 2: in a couple of days. They didn't need a single fruit,
Speaker 2: they didn't need a single cop Not a shot was
Speaker 2: fired anywhere. There was compliance, absolute compliance. And it's it's
Speaker 2: shot me. What happened. I said, I knew, you know,
Speaker 2: I knew things were bad, but I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was this bad. I mean, this thing is so stupid,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense. And it's being brought to you
Speaker 2: by the medical nutrial complex, the most corrupt people imaginable. Uh,
Speaker 2: the usual suspects like Falci you as a track record
Speaker 2: going back to age doing the same kind of nonsense,
Speaker 2: and thousands of people died because of that. You have
Speaker 2: you know, you all politicians of both parties, the Republicans
Speaker 2: said nothing. Nobody, even Tucker Carlton Ali. Nobody was debating
Speaker 2: this thing. Nobody was saying, how can you close all
Speaker 2: the churches down? I thought that there would be some
Speaker 2: renegade pastors that would say, now we're not closed out
Speaker 2: at Eastern I few, No, not a single one the
Speaker 2: entire country did, and the same thing around the world.
Speaker 2: So it's it was very disillusioning, and they had to
Speaker 2: have been pleased with what they saw. So there's that's
Speaker 2: why you keep hearing talk they've just abandoned all sense
Speaker 2: of any kind of rounded the science thing while they
Speaker 2: keep shouting us down with science this because they're still
Speaker 2: kind of was talking recently about this summer it's gonna
Speaker 2: be terrible. COVID strained that could could have sixty five
Speaker 2: thousand new cases. And if you believe in viral science,
Speaker 2: and I don't know that I do. People like Andrew
Speaker 2: Poffin and made some interesting arguments against the whole Viru's theory.
Speaker 2: But assuming it's real, We've been told for a long
Speaker 2: time that viruses come in the fall and they burn
Speaker 2: out and heat. This one never burned out. It's just
Speaker 2: always there. And it called COVID nineteen because it's the
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen strain of the early coronavirus. What happened to
Speaker 2: COVID twenty, COVID twenty one, COVID twenty two. I think
Speaker 2: I'm the only one asking that. Apparently just obliterate. Forever
Speaker 2: you had things like the flu, and we were saying
Speaker 2: it's just the flu. It apparently was because the flu
Speaker 2: disappeared in twenty twenty and the fall for the first
Speaker 2: time in history, they said there's no flut and nobody
Speaker 2: questioned it. I said, you know, I said this again,
Speaker 2: this is a test. They're just testing to see how
Speaker 2: stupid they've made people, how dumb down they are. And
Speaker 2: every time when we failed the test, and so you're
Speaker 2: telling me the conspiracy people were telling you it's just
Speaker 2: the flu, and then miraculously the flu's gone, So it's
Speaker 2: I said, you know, is there a light one off
Speaker 2: in your head? Yet? How did the flood disappear? And
Speaker 2: they came back the next year, but it just took
Speaker 2: a year off again a vacation. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: nobody questions this stuff, and nobody questioned anything. And that's
Speaker 2: the saddest part of all this is that is that
Speaker 2: there have been not only such compliance, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: think if they could woke some people up, I think
Speaker 2: more people are awake than ever. But we're still in
Speaker 2: such a minority. We're still out numbered. And the problem
Speaker 2: is the more people they bring in the legal litibration
Speaker 2: and migrants to you know, probably almost all of them
Speaker 2: are trusting what they're saying because they might even understand
Speaker 2: what's going on, and they're being given benefits to whatever
Speaker 2: to earn their you know, compliance, and so they're we
Speaker 2: have an upward battle because most of our I mean
Speaker 2: I look around, I walk around, I still see people
Speaker 2: wearing masks and I didn't know talking to people, I
Speaker 2: mean people, and my kids and I are the only
Speaker 2: ones in our in my family that's not vaccinated. We
Speaker 2: already missed one meets his wedding because of that. We
Speaker 2: couldn't come. We're backstated to come to the wedding, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't let us in, so so then you kind of
Speaker 2: family are relationships are fractured forever, and the you know,
Speaker 2: when you'd see people who have been vaccinated two, three
Speaker 2: times whatever it is, how many boosters, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: They've had all the shots that the government tells them
Speaker 2: to take and they still end up getting COVID supposed,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, And try to talk to him and say,
Speaker 2: you know, so you are you questioning why you got vaccinated?
Speaker 2: Alisonce you got the thing? Oh no, no, no, it
Speaker 2: would have been worse if I hadn't. That's what the
Speaker 2: doctor called me. Well, that's a very convenient thing for
Speaker 2: the doctor to say, Yeah, I know this didn't work,
Speaker 2: but I do you hadn't got it. I mean, so
Speaker 2: there's no way you can reason with something like that.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, when you were trying to wake
Speaker 2: people up, most of these people they can never be there.
Speaker 2: They are so asleep, they're so conditioned, they're whatever. The
Speaker 2: Moonies were back in the sun young moon. We used
Speaker 2: to call people moonies that were in a Jim Jones
Speaker 2: back in Jonestown, drinking the kool aid. I don't know
Speaker 2: how how much of robots those people were, how condition
Speaker 2: they were, but they couldn't have in any words of
Speaker 2: what you see in the majority of American style. They
Speaker 2: are so stupid they will not reason. They don't see
Speaker 2: any kind of connections to fluid disappears, no problem. Walk
Speaker 2: into a restaurant. You have to wear a mask to
Speaker 2: walk in, but you can take it off at your table. Okay,
Speaker 2: what kind of virus is this anyhow? So yeah, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to have a curfew because the virus is
Speaker 2: really deadly late at night. I mean, just so many
Speaker 2: stupid things, and nobody we will close the churches, but
Speaker 2: we leave the liquor stores open.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: I mean that nobody questions that we have to close
Speaker 2: your small businesses and ruin small business in America, will
Speaker 2: prosecute you if you try to open.
Speaker 1: But well, we've just so beat down to follow blindly
Speaker 1: follow authority from the time we're born that most people
Speaker 1: just never question that their whole lives. And they wouldn't
Speaker 1: know what to do if they were able to think
Speaker 1: freely for themselves.
Speaker 2: Oh, they wouldn't. It's just it's I don't think it's
Speaker 2: something you can just suddenly develop a life, But I mean,
Speaker 2: it's that's the problem is that you know it's but
Speaker 2: it's it's it's like that, you know, I've taught. It
Speaker 2: took me a long time to realize just with the
Speaker 2: JFK assassination I can I'm gonna be pretty convincing. You know,
Speaker 2: I think and I know more than just about anybody.
Speaker 2: I've been, you know, studying forever. And when I was
Speaker 2: teaching a course on CA assassination, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: my adult education program in my county, let me do
Speaker 2: that for a few years, and uh then I then
Speaker 2: it changed to where I was teaching, of course, on
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone's JFK, the film, and most of the time
Speaker 2: to those classes, I would have one person in there
Speaker 2: was a load nutter and uh there, you know, I
Speaker 2: presented the most convincing case possible to show you the
Speaker 2: official version was joke, and I wanted to shoot anybody.
Speaker 2: I never convinced any of those guys. I literally I realized,
Speaker 2: there's nothing I can do. This person is programmed condition.
Speaker 2: If you can buy that, you can buy anything. And
Speaker 2: it's the same thing with the nine to eleven or
Speaker 2: COVID anything. When they're buying into the narrative, you can't
Speaker 2: change their minds. Evidence be damned. It doesn't matter when
Speaker 2: you could tell somebody you've had eight shots but you're
Speaker 2: still doing the thing, you're getting the shots against it,
Speaker 2: and they just nod their head. Yeah, it would have
Speaker 2: been worse if I hadn't got it. I don't know
Speaker 2: again what the Moonies are like. With the Jonestown people
Speaker 2: were like, they couldn't have been any more control than that.
Speaker 2: So it's frustrating. But I agree that there are more
Speaker 2: people that are awake, but it's we're just we're still
Speaker 2: so out number. And the thing about it is that everybody,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the people who have any kind
Speaker 2: of power are are buying all this stuff, or at
Speaker 2: least pretending they do. Because there's nobody in a position
Speaker 2: of power that questions anything anywhere about any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be no at any levels. And
Speaker 1: that really concerns me about what we're seeing with not
Speaker 1: only the censorship and cancel culture, but what I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: claiming proclaiming certain individuals to be domestic terrorists that don't
Speaker 1: agree with certain narratives or agendas that are occurring, or
Speaker 1: just questioning a third authority in general, This opens up
Speaker 1: a whole new realm of danger for regular people that
Speaker 1: just don't blindly follow what these totalitarian psychopaths are putting forward.
Speaker 2: And that it's very it's not easy. It's not easy being,
Speaker 2: you know, having to knowing that you first of all,
Speaker 2: knowing that you're right. I mean, I'm very you know,
Speaker 2: confident in what I do, what I write about. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't speculator, theorize ideal in facts. Everything I write
Speaker 2: is sourced. I check these things. And so it's very
Speaker 2: frustrating to talk to a relative or somebody somebody can
Speaker 2: barely read who is you know, it's just regurgitating some
Speaker 2: stupid nonsense to her on TV. And I'm, you know,
Speaker 2: coming at it from a very informed opinion to other research.
Speaker 2: I know, talk to people. I talked to doctor Small
Speaker 2: around the world. I had them on my shoes and
Speaker 2: you're you're, look, you're talking to a meets her cousin
Speaker 2: or something who's a blithering idiot and it was buying
Speaker 2: all this stuff and they just sit back and come
Speaker 2: or they say you're crazy or something. It's like, so,
Speaker 2: there's how do you You can't convert anybody when the
Speaker 2: level of stupidity is that high. But that's where we are,
Speaker 2: you know, the American collective, American IQ has been dropping,
Speaker 2: uh significantly every generation. It's lower than it's ever been.
Speaker 2: And it's because everything in our society their conditioned from
Speaker 2: their so called education in school where they're not they
Speaker 2: literally don't even have to to do things like math
Speaker 2: in their head anymore. They don't have to do any
Speaker 2: of that and that, and that's been for a long
Speaker 2: time where they you knows, are that where they do calculators,
Speaker 2: you know, argued against that because it's not right. You know,
Speaker 2: you need you need to to flex those muscles even
Speaker 2: for something like that. And uh so, if you're not
Speaker 2: even using your mental powers for that, what are you
Speaker 2: using for? The entire educational system has become one of
Speaker 2: indoctrination when they're putting these absurd social agentas on people,
Speaker 2: mainly now the transgender lunacy, and this is it's not education.
Speaker 2: It's not Americans are you know, especially for somebody who
Speaker 2: writes history. I can tell you how historically the illiterate
Speaker 2: most Americans are. They don't know anything, and so it's
Speaker 2: hard to it's hard to show them how they've been
Speaker 2: lied to when they don't even know the lies.
Speaker 1: They don't and then they're rewriting history as we speak.
Speaker 1: They are making attempt through media, Hollywood, even traditional books
Speaker 1: and literature they're either banning or not allowing access to.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about some of the technology that
Speaker 1: is altering how we behave as humans, some of the
Speaker 1: new developments in AI, chat, GTP, all these newly budding
Speaker 1: technologies that are replacing human creative jobs, they're talking about
Speaker 1: what replacing actors in Hollywood with AI animations and things
Speaker 1: like that. First of all, I don't for me, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch any of that bullshit. That doesn't have any
Speaker 1: emotional effect on me. Ever, since they started implementing more
Speaker 1: of the computer animated stuff and less real people in
Speaker 1: our entertainment in Hollywood, the more I am checking out,
Speaker 1: and I think more people are, and I think that
Speaker 1: we're seeing that as a part of the failure of
Speaker 1: Hollywood and our mainstream media to where not as many
Speaker 1: people are participating because it's not good anymore.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I mean I write a lot about media
Speaker 2: as well in Hollywood, and I wrote a book about
Speaker 2: the show business, and I know a lot about it,
Speaker 2: and it's it's shameful. You know, to watch some of
Speaker 2: these films now, it's so bad. I mean it's just
Speaker 2: and they're you know, there'res and they keep topping themselves,
Speaker 2: pushing this get I think Disney is part of the
Speaker 2: worst Disney plus. But they have some new show. I
Speaker 2: can't remember, Pepe, some kind of re pd in but
Speaker 2: I supposedly have been a girl who inherits a family
Speaker 2: business of uh, sacrifice and blood Richmond. It's like, this
Speaker 2: isn't a part of Disney. It's Disney for kids. It's
Speaker 2: like what you know, what do you what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And and this is this is where we're
Speaker 2: at now so bad. I recently was watching my brother
Speaker 2: in law. We were and I don't know why we
Speaker 2: sometimes they turned these things on just to see what
Speaker 2: kind of rise they can get out of me. But
Speaker 2: then they had a couple of chosren but one the
Speaker 2: one that was really uh, I think it was on
Speaker 2: HBO Max. The worst stuff are like on those things
Speaker 2: rather than the networks. The networks are bad enough, but
Speaker 2: they put the really extreme stuff on those apps. And uh.
Speaker 2: It was something called Nora from Queens and it was
Speaker 2: about an Asian and clearly you could see. It was
Speaker 2: about this young girl Asian who's named Aquafina the actor.
Speaker 2: So you know, any one nameh Or is going to
Speaker 2: be pretentious, and she's about as unfunny as anybody you've
Speaker 2: ever seen, completely no te Yeah, and so she's the lead,
Speaker 2: not interesting at all, and she's living at home in
Speaker 2: her thirties or something, but she's uh. The entire it
Speaker 2: was reminded me of what they have done to white families,
Speaker 2: especially in the sitcom. And it was an overt attempt,
Speaker 2: their first attempt at taking an Asian family and subjecting
Speaker 2: them to what they've done to white families, especially break
Speaker 2: them down, to kill any kind of family loyalty with it.
Speaker 2: And that's what they did. This family is disgusting like
Speaker 2: most of your any white family, missie it I'm the woman,
Speaker 2: the aqui is disgusting her. She has a grandmother who's
Speaker 2: walking around with a page saying you want to look up,
Speaker 2: close up up my vagi now, so you know this
Speaker 2: is and then she and she doesn't have any love
Speaker 2: for her granddaughter. The granddaughter has no love for her.
Speaker 2: The father basically comes in and says something like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if we'd known, we you know, we wouldn't have had
Speaker 2: you if we know something. It's just horrible stuff. And
Speaker 2: then you know, she goes on, Aquafina goes on, come
Speaker 2: out with a huge bilo and saying she wants to
Speaker 2: have a seven hour mastermation session. It's just it's that's
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff. It wasn't remotely entertaining at all,
Speaker 2: It wasn't remotely funny, but it's that's I was reminded
Speaker 2: of what up until now they've tended to let other
Speaker 2: cultures alone in terms of trying to destroy them. They've
Speaker 2: really gone after white culture especially, and so this is
Speaker 2: a reminder they want to destroy that because despite their
Speaker 2: best efforts, there's still more family bond and.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they're destroying, trying to destroy what the what
Speaker 1: we understand as the family unit across the board, even
Speaker 1: in every culture. It seems that they're attempting to infiltrate
Speaker 1: this aspect. And they're targeting the children right now now
Speaker 1: big time, and they have been for a long time.
Speaker 1: There's been the over sexualization of children, and now it
Speaker 1: seems like there's this level of desensitization because of the
Speaker 1: years of over sexualization, the ease of access to crazy
Speaker 1: pornography at the tip of these kids' fingertips. That now
Speaker 1: we have this whole LGBTQ transhuman agenda that is trying
Speaker 1: to push us away from anything that would allow humans
Speaker 1: to reproduce basically well, and.
Speaker 2: That's I'm glad you brought that up because that I
Speaker 2: don't think it's an act in that the transgender craves
Speaker 2: really started going to warp speed, if you will, right
Speaker 2: about the same time we have to work fee vaccine
Speaker 2: that's really gone warp speed in the last couple of
Speaker 2: years in the middle of COVID, and I believe the
Speaker 2: reason behind all COVID, the main reason was the genesist
Speaker 2: kind of belief that they want to kill off millions
Speaker 2: of people, so they're appear to be doing that with
Speaker 2: the vaccine. We know that the deaths increased with forty
Speaker 2: percent twenty twenty one, and they killed like my brother
Speaker 2: died in the hospital from a hospital protocol us and
Speaker 2: maybe millions of others have. But I've heardew lots of
Speaker 2: the long the show. We don't know how many people
Speaker 2: to be killed with frim bezevie and etilators, and we
Speaker 2: don't know how many people died for the vaccine, but
Speaker 2: we do know the death rate when up forty percent,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing else that's been introducing equations. So they're
Speaker 2: doing it there. They're reducing the population there, and at
Speaker 2: the same time, simultaneously they're pushing this transgender no sense,
Speaker 2: which will ensure that the population will plummet, because if
Speaker 2: you make girls boys and boys girls, and you're not
Speaker 2: gonna have babies, and that's what the idea is behind it,
Speaker 2: and so I don't think it's any act in it
Speaker 2: that it came along at the same time. And you're
Speaker 2: exactly right. They don't want people to reproduce, and that's
Speaker 2: why I think they threw the right wing a crumb
Speaker 2: with a ROVERSUS wage decision and Supreme Court, because that's
Speaker 2: really the only thing of note the right is won
Speaker 2: in a long time. And I think they threw that
Speaker 2: crumb to them because they know there's not going to
Speaker 2: be as many pregnancies, but there won't be as many
Speaker 2: abortions just because it wouldn't be anyhow So I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, and they're trying to sterilize us from
Speaker 1: every angle through the medical through our food air, and
Speaker 1: this has been going on for years. We are no
Speaker 1: longer the same humans we were twenty years ago. No,
Speaker 1: we've been altered.
Speaker 2: I mean, I forget the exact step, but it's something
Speaker 2: like a twenty year some year old nail today has
Speaker 2: the testosterone level of what an eighty year old used
Speaker 2: to have or something. They've really killed the tatosterone level
Speaker 2: and nails. Yeah, as Naomi Wolf especially revealed with through
Speaker 2: work on the Pizer documents, Uh, the vaccine really destroyed
Speaker 2: the female's reproductive system. It has created a huge increase
Speaker 2: in miscarriages. And again, everything, everything that's happening is making
Speaker 2: birth difficult. And that's you know again, that's what they've
Speaker 2: been stressing for a long time. You could just see
Speaker 2: how how Earth is treated in media. I mean it's
Speaker 2: never it's never well, especially with white people. Any white
Speaker 2: girl that finds herself pregnant is breasted and mad and guy,
Speaker 2: they're all, this is a horrible event where if you
Speaker 2: had like a typical Hispanic couple or something, you're not
Speaker 2: going to find a Hispanic couple that's not going to
Speaker 2: be overjoyed that because the condition, the condition isn't for
Speaker 2: that there has been directed mainly, it might be not
Speaker 2: spreading out like it said, I see the Asian thing
Speaker 2: is coming in, and uh, they may be going after
Speaker 2: other groups as well. But they succeeded in demonizing birth
Speaker 2: already and demonizing children for a long time. And that's
Speaker 2: why you see the worship of cats and dogs, especially
Speaker 2: because they they've done as they've tried to channel the
Speaker 2: biological maternal instinct, especially to animals, and so you see
Speaker 2: so many women treating their cats and dogs like children
Speaker 2: they didn't have or want a half. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a it's a huge phenomenon. But uh,
Speaker 2: now this is going into overdrive. And it wasn't just
Speaker 2: a vaccine that was warp speed. Everything is moving to
Speaker 2: be where things every time you think you take it.
Speaker 2: We're diff wrote article for American Free Press. We're talking
Speaker 2: about some of these things that are happening where you
Speaker 2: have a Jewish day camp in Washington State or something
Speaker 2: that is coming out and saying that, hey, anybody comes
Speaker 2: to our any kid that comes to our camp that
Speaker 2: wants to transition during camp, I guess that's what they're
Speaker 2: planning to do. We're you know, we're gonna accommodate them
Speaker 2: when we're not going to let the parents know. They're
Speaker 2: build in California and Virginia my state that want to
Speaker 2: do the same thing and want to make it u
Speaker 2: if you want to make it as England, you've already
Speaker 2: done that. They made it a criminal offense for a
Speaker 2: parent to deny transgender treatment for their kids, and they're
Speaker 2: going to do that here too. They already have build California.
Speaker 2: I know it'll pass, Virginia, I don't know, but they
Speaker 2: want to make it so parents when they have the
Speaker 2: most natural reaction in the world of you know, outrage,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is horrible, horror. My kid is
Speaker 2: gonna what they're able to change their jenner. No, Karen,
Speaker 2: that is not absolutely insane themselves support And that's why
Speaker 2: you want to talk about how we're out number. Look
Speaker 2: at these mothers that you see, the mothers that are
Speaker 2: encouraging this, that are taking their little toddlers to go
Speaker 2: see men dance around naked. This is this is madness
Speaker 2: to a degree I never thought possible. And it's always
Speaker 2: the mothers. It's always the women. You don't see fathers
Speaker 2: doing it. They're not doing it. And again the condition,
Speaker 2: the conditioning for the last you know, one hundred years,
Speaker 2: has been increasingly directed at women, especially why women, because
Speaker 2: they know they're the ones that lap up that propaganda.
Speaker 2: No other group laps it up. What they do well,
Speaker 2: you see, it's no accident that the Karen that there
Speaker 2: was almost always a white woman, because that that's the response,
Speaker 2: that's what you get. They become this kind of self important,
Speaker 2: self righteous virtue signaler, and they're they're basically walking around
Speaker 2: and looking to get people in trubble who have some
Speaker 2: kind of transgressions against the state. You know, what do
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: What you know?
Speaker 2: I'm going to write you up. You know, that's mentality
Speaker 2: we've created, and that's what we have to fight. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you do that because there's nobody in charge.
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on the possible occult
Speaker 1: or luciferian aspects to these elite groups and what's behind it.
Speaker 1: There seems to be a level of symbolism, not only
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, but even sometimes in the media, and the
Speaker 1: events themselves that unfold seem to have some sort of
Speaker 1: occult symbolism behind them. And if even if you or
Speaker 1: me or your regular average Joe doesn't believe in any
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It seems like these very powerful people
Speaker 1: do and they get together and they have these wu
Speaker 1: Wu type of elite meetings at different places like Builderberg
Speaker 1: and Bohemian Grove and all these other places. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it seems is that they definitely do have a belief
Speaker 1: in what they're dabbling with. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think that especially with the uh with
Speaker 2: I don't know any and I'm talking about this all
Speaker 2: the time. I say that we're in a spiritual battle.
Speaker 2: The people that are the people that are mothers that
Speaker 2: are motivated to do something like that, the doctors that
Speaker 2: are motivated to when they're posing with little girls in
Speaker 2: your team everywhere with these Frankenstein's scars across their chest
Speaker 2: because they've had the breast removed. Others are beaming with pride.
Speaker 2: The doctors are beaming with pride. I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I think comes from the darkest place pot And I
Speaker 2: think when you look at the transgender cult, especially when
Speaker 2: you see the hatred and the looks on their faces,
Speaker 2: the demonic look. You know, we used to say the
Speaker 2: people are possessed by demons. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: or not. But I think these people, whether they're overtly
Speaker 2: doing it or not, they're serving Satan. This is coming
Speaker 2: from the Satanic force, the dark force, and we have
Speaker 2: to meet it with the good for it's a godly
Speaker 2: for us. And the problems were not because the people
Speaker 2: who should be, especially the transgenders, that you should see
Speaker 2: Christian pastors, Catholic priests, you should see them out in
Speaker 2: force marching against this, confronting these people and talking about
Speaker 2: how you know, abominable. It is my knowledge there hasn't
Speaker 2: been a single protest like that anywhere. You might have
Speaker 2: a handful of conservative people, but you don't have any
Speaker 2: organized protests. These Christian pastors that have sometimes made millions
Speaker 2: of dollars all they're doubible followers or their prosperity gospel.
Speaker 2: They are silent as church mouse, no pun intent, They
Speaker 2: don't do anything, They don't meet any marches, you know,
Speaker 2: the dolo esteems of the world.
Speaker 1: I think most of these organized religions have been co
Speaker 1: opted in and infiltra.
Speaker 2: Course, well, we can't, can't possibly because they're they're so
Speaker 2: busy beating you over the head. You're going to go
Speaker 2: to hal and talking about Jesus and all this same quoting,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, the part of the Bible seerts their purposes,
Speaker 2: but they're okay with seeing every part of our society.
Speaker 2: The church is the only people left that are not
Speaker 2: openly promoting transgenders. And so they're the churches collectively are
Speaker 2: still powerful. They are the only force that could possibly
Speaker 2: go out and fight this. They're not doing it at all.
Speaker 2: They are doing nothing, not one thing. And I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the most conservative group too. So you know that
Speaker 2: they oppose this. Why aren't you coming out collectively and
Speaker 2: letting the world know how wrong it is. You're you're
Speaker 2: so fond of telling all of us that must say
Speaker 2: some girl had an abortion, or something's gonna get a hell,
Speaker 2: or you know you you that you you had sex
Speaker 2: with too many people or whatever. You individually, they love
Speaker 2: pointing their fingers at us. You need to get right
Speaker 2: with God and all that stuff. Uh, okay, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but it is collectively, this is the country that is
Speaker 2: being ruined because of this stuff, and you orful force
Speaker 2: is backing up every government agency, every single business. There's
Speaker 2: not a business in America that they if somebody, some
Speaker 2: executive says something like, you know, only women can get pregnant.
Speaker 2: They'll protest and that guy will be fired, and the
Speaker 2: business is support it, and there's not what, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Look look at major League Baseball and Los Angeles Dodgers,
Speaker 2: and they had a ridiculous group last month. It was
Speaker 2: a terribly anti Catholic group, babically basically blaspheming nouns and
Speaker 2: just a horrible group. And they celebrated them. They had
Speaker 2: them out to and they got blowbacked, and so they
Speaker 2: backed off. But then they got pressure and they put
Speaker 2: him back on again and people took the stands. Thank goodness.
Speaker 2: At Baseball fan there was almost nobody at that game.
Speaker 2: You don't care, you don't get they they literally don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a baseball game. What does a
Speaker 2: transgender nonsense to fame in the Catholic church? What does
Speaker 2: it I do with baseball? It's permeated everything. Nobody's fighting it,
Speaker 2: and especially the Christian churches should be all against this.
Speaker 2: But just as they were, they did nothing about the
Speaker 2: lockdown either, they did nothing to oppose they they didn't protest,
Speaker 2: and all the fact that they were closed down. You
Speaker 2: can't go to Easter services. What I mean, I thought
Speaker 2: for sure when when they just closed down an Easter,
Speaker 2: I said, it's got to be ready. As you know,
Speaker 2: some of these places are going to be open on
Speaker 2: Eature now. So that's the problem, is that that's the
Speaker 2: the our only hope on earth, Our only hope is God,
Speaker 2: the only hope is faith. At this point we have
Speaker 2: to have our faith and know that He will win
Speaker 2: in the end. But on earth here the only hope
Speaker 2: we have to try to call this are the churches, and.
Speaker 1: It's you're you're right. It is one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: spiritual war. They have infiltrated the largest religious organization, the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church seems to be like
Speaker 1: the spiritual arm of the globalists in order to control
Speaker 1: perception of the religious folks that follow Catholicism or e's
Speaker 1: in Christianity in general. That sets an example that all
Speaker 1: the craziness that they're portraying is okay to participate in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially the pope we have now. Yeah, when I
Speaker 2: grew up a Catholic, I'm still nominal nominal Catholic. And
Speaker 2: you know this guy, I don't think this guy he
Speaker 2: believes in the the divinity of Jesus Christ. I don't
Speaker 2: think he does. I think he was asking. He probably
Speaker 2: doesn't believe in the nacaclal deception and the church has
Speaker 2: founded on He's awful. He just met with h. I
Speaker 2: think it was one of Soros' sons and Bill Gates
Speaker 2: or something. I mean, again, you know, we're not believers.
Speaker 2: They're sorry to say, so what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Mane?
Speaker 2: And that's the Uh, you're right, he's he's. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know when the last pope would have been
Speaker 2: that might have fought this, but certainly he's they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be the moral leader and uh he I think
Speaker 2: he's on board with this because he's he is an
Speaker 2: infiltrator and so you're not going to see that, and
Speaker 2: that may be why you have Catholic briefs that maybe
Speaker 2: mostly are to speak up and the Catholic Church was
Speaker 2: taken over by the Jesuits and sanctuary cities, mentalities process,
Speaker 2: the h the gospel of basically trying to advocate for
Speaker 2: the poor, which is a good thing, but uh, they
Speaker 2: took it to extremes and so they're they're not really
Speaker 2: going to be sympathetic to any of these kinds of protests.
Speaker 2: What I would expect to see it from are these
Speaker 2: big Christian ministries, and I don't see them doing anything.
Speaker 2: I don't see them. They need to be leading more.
Speaker 2: I mean the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King, all
Speaker 2: the Ralphia, every I those people were reverenced, came through
Speaker 2: the Southern Baptist churches. The civil rights was driven through there.
Speaker 2: It was effective because you had them organizing. We don't
Speaker 2: have anybody organizing and we already know, like the left
Speaker 2: has George Soros, they have a funding from wherever they're
Speaker 2: getting it from, so they can get you know, Antifa
Speaker 2: or Black Lives Matters, they can get them out there
Speaker 2: and they'll have bands with their names on it. Obviously
Speaker 2: somebody's financing these groups. They'll be very organized. It's not
Speaker 2: to mess government infiltrators. But the right has nothing like that.
Speaker 2: They don't have anybody financing them. So you have to
Speaker 2: turn to the churches. They're supposedly the right. What about again,
Speaker 2: all these Frichton evangelists, these people that are fond of
Speaker 2: talking about morality, that love to tell you how to
Speaker 2: live and tell you this is the sin, that's the sin. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: what is transgenderism not? I mean, to me, that's that's
Speaker 2: the biggest sin I can think of, you know, and uh,
Speaker 2: they're not they don't seem concerned about it. I don't
Speaker 2: Kenneth Copel and all these horrible televangelists, are they even
Speaker 2: talking about it? I doubt it. I'm sure they're just
Speaker 2: still you know, tell it. You know, long boring passages
Speaker 2: which I think intentionally or to put people asleep. They
Speaker 2: purposely find like the most boring parts of the Bible
Speaker 2: so that people won't be interested. And then they ask
Speaker 2: for money. That's typically you know what it what it
Speaker 2: consists of, you know, and no one will come through
Speaker 2: the to the Father except through me and those kinds
Speaker 2: of things, you know, run the hell if you're not
Speaker 2: saved and all that. That's their entire message. But these
Speaker 2: people that are destroying young lives, that are giving them,
Speaker 2: uh you know, hormone blockers, that are I mean, can
Speaker 2: you think of anything more Frankenstein? Like, you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna it's like a Peter Pan Prince Willia. You're not
Speaker 2: gonna develop. We're gonna put that on a hold while
Speaker 2: you figure out what you are and and does it
Speaker 2: take a rocket. Does it take a doctor or a scientist.
Speaker 2: You realize that can't be good, can't be a good
Speaker 2: talking about unnatural But they're doing it, and there's no
Speaker 2: evidence that it's not. I mean, there's nobody on the
Speaker 2: other side that's arguing. You have some renegade doctors and
Speaker 2: they're douted down. They can lose their job because again
Speaker 2: the the institutions are not supporting them. And that's so
Speaker 2: that's why again I think our only hope would be
Speaker 2: the churches here. And uh, I don't see anybody knows
Speaker 2: out there. If you if you have a reverend with it,
Speaker 2: it has some people have a big congregation and some
Speaker 2: of these super churches, these non denominational super churches. I
Speaker 2: love to see these guys get involved, but they don't.
Speaker 2: They're too busy just trying to accumulate money. They don't
Speaker 2: care about anything else.
Speaker 1: We're entering a very interesting time right now. It seem
Speaker 1: to be between events at the moment, there's an election upcoming,
Speaker 1: and usually after a presidential election, then we start seeing
Speaker 1: some action per se when it comes to these psychological operations.
Speaker 1: But we're entering an interesting time with the elections. Even
Speaker 1: though I don't follow politics, and I never really have
Speaker 1: because I think it is just a puppet show for
Speaker 1: us to be distracted by. I don't think anyone can
Speaker 1: ever make a difference once they get to a certain
Speaker 1: level of that. I think they're going to be controlled
Speaker 1: on every aspect. But that's just my opinion. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what is upcoming with Kennedy? The election,
Speaker 1: the next big operation? What are you are you hopeful
Speaker 1: for the future. There could be aliens coming, who knows.
Speaker 2: Well the Heilan's coming. I think it'd be Project Bob
Speaker 2: and they they may do the fake alien invasion. They
Speaker 2: may pull that out of him. Yeah, they certainly hint
Speaker 2: at it a lot. But you know, I'm I'm a
Speaker 2: Kennedy fan boy. I talk about I first discovered politics
Speaker 2: as a little kid with Robert F. Kennedy, junior Robert Kennedy,
Speaker 2: You're running for president, really getting into the delegate counts
Speaker 2: and following it and crying like a baby when he
Speaker 2: was killed. So it crushed me. And so I don't
Speaker 2: pretend that I'm not emotionally impacted my son running and
Speaker 2: saying great stuff he's saying. I mean, I never thought
Speaker 2: I'd never see a presidential candidate, Let alone a Kennedy
Speaker 2: saying that the government killed RFK and DAFK and he
Speaker 2: says it all the time and I repeated. So that
Speaker 2: alone is amazing. But the fact he's also talking about
Speaker 2: he's going he's the only one to ever take on
Speaker 2: the medical industrial complex to big farm, and he's opposing
Speaker 2: ever nobody's done that. He's running against them. He's talked
Speaker 2: about our foreign policy, even wants to seal the border.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He you know, he's he's not perfect, of course, there's
Speaker 2: some things that you know, maybe he can't be trusted, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he has a chance to wings.
Speaker 2: I don't think again, I think they control everything. But
Speaker 2: so I don't even know. I get sucked into it though,
Speaker 2: so I'm sucked into it. I love the thing. I
Speaker 2: love watching the reaction on the part of these crazy tyrants.
Speaker 2: But I don't imagine there's any scenario where he could
Speaker 2: be elected and actually do the stuff he wants to do.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. They have to keep hope alive,
Speaker 2: and I can't. Even though I should reject politics because
Speaker 2: I have no faith in it at all anymore, but
Speaker 2: I still get sucked in when it's something like RFKA
Speaker 2: junior or so I think I don't know basically what
Speaker 2: the you know, I didn't know to end the book
Speaker 2: Masking the Truth. It was very hard because they said
Speaker 2: there's no good way to end this book because it's
Speaker 2: a continuing story. I don't know what thing's going on
Speaker 2: in the future. It looks like they're going to continue
Speaker 2: that's going on, and they may have around too, or
Speaker 2: they may just because I had to have like a
Speaker 2: like they did during the early days of terrorism after
Speaker 2: nine to eleven when they had a terror chart code
Speaker 2: orange code, you know that kind of thing. They may
Speaker 2: do that you know what what COVID code? COVID code
Speaker 2: are we on? And again people people will buy it.
Speaker 2: Do you Is there any doubt the same people that
Speaker 2: are putting these masks on and social distancing and letting
Speaker 2: their old utally relatives die unloved and untouched in nursing
Speaker 2: home to say, uh, you know, they're letting teenagers not
Speaker 2: you know, be able to hold a girl's hand. Or
Speaker 2: what I mean is there's so many hideous things going
Speaker 2: on up there because of this that we're enabling and
Speaker 2: allowing because of fear porn or rational fear porn. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they have plan, but they certainly if
Speaker 2: they look at what they accomplished here, they have to
Speaker 2: know that a man, this really works. You know this,
Speaker 2: this this is going to be the go to move
Speaker 2: from now on. Let's just there to care, declare pandemic
Speaker 2: and a vast majority of the people are going to
Speaker 2: do anything we say. I mean, I said the height
Speaker 2: of it. They could have told people, you know, you
Speaker 2: have to wear a purple scarf every other Tuesday because
Speaker 2: this is you know, science says this really protect you
Speaker 2: against COVID. I mean, you would have seen probably millions
Speaker 2: of people wearing them. They were they weren't going to
Speaker 2: disobey any order. Again, the mobrim experiment show they will.
Speaker 2: They will listen to any Eighty percent of the people
Speaker 2: will obey any order, doesn't matter how counter you know
Speaker 2: how contradicts itself, as so many of these things did that.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're you're going into a place and
Speaker 2: you wear an ask you take it off and you
Speaker 2: get to the table and that kind of stuff where
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 1: There's a protective bubble around the table. It's invisible.
Speaker 2: But yes, it was like that, you know, the old
Speaker 2: joke gets smart heading that the code of Silence and
Speaker 2: they protective bubble. But even they almost went to that point,
Speaker 2: and it's it's really unbelievable because it did. Still we'll
Speaker 2: probably never know what irreparable damage that SIOP did to
Speaker 2: us culturally, socially, economically, we still don't know. We still
Speaker 2: don't know what the economic damage really was. We don't
Speaker 2: know who. I put what I could in the book,
Speaker 2: about what I could find out about, you know, elites
Speaker 2: getting money they didn't remotely deserve for PPE funds, and
Speaker 2: small business detroyed, we known't. My guess is the vast
Speaker 2: majority of them that were detroyed will never come back
Speaker 2: because it's not easy to start a small business. And
Speaker 2: so you don't know what those people are doing. They
Speaker 2: lie about the unemployment stats. We know that the numbers
Speaker 2: mean nothing since the nineteen ninety so whatever they claim
Speaker 2: the unemployment, it's fake. Trumps seventies running for president and
Speaker 2: he pointed that out, and then the courts when he
Speaker 2: became president, he started bragging the same fake numbers. So
Speaker 2: that's what you get. You know, you can people, but
Speaker 2: once they get co opted by the system, so I
Speaker 2: have no idea what they're planning next. I know that
Speaker 2: they're gonna have a hard time topic. This may bee
Speaker 2: the fake alien invasion. That's the only thing that might
Speaker 2: be able to top this. But is there any doubt? Again,
Speaker 2: if they have a fake alien invasion, the same people
Speaker 2: that bought covid are gonna buy it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, is there you think that there's any hope.
Speaker 1: What gives me hope is the family member that I
Speaker 1: grew up with that I thought was completely lost, that
Speaker 1: gives me a call and says, you were right, you
Speaker 1: were right about this. You were right about that. I'm
Speaker 1: paying attention now and this happens. This happens quite often now,
Speaker 1: So that gives me hope. Do you have hope for people?
Speaker 1: Do you have hope for the future.
Speaker 2: I'm glad of hearing that, because I can tell you
Speaker 2: nobody called me and told me that ever. I mean
Speaker 2: I have, I have a big family and the only
Speaker 2: the only one in my family who is awake.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
Speaker 2: It's never happened to anyone, And yeah, I hear. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess I've had some people who say up, but
Speaker 2: almost everybody that comes to me is already awake. Yeah there,
Speaker 2: Otherwise it wouldn't be drawn into my work. But my
Speaker 2: son is awake. He's the only one. I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: to have him as a comrade. But you know, some
Speaker 2: of my family tolerate me. They kind of just probably
Speaker 2: think he's kind of a lovable coop or something, but
Speaker 2: most of many of them think I'm crazy the Dajers,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't convince. I tried to tell people, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying now, I would saying for decades
Speaker 2: because I've been wait again since I was a teenager.
Speaker 2: Because whatever degree it was, I saw the corruption that
Speaker 2: just wasn't as much of it. So when any of
Speaker 2: these things would come along, I remember, you know, talking
Speaker 2: out so much here in Waco and just realizing how
Speaker 2: stupid people were. And they said, you know, you you
Speaker 2: never heard of the branch Davidians, and now now you're
Speaker 2: ready to consign that they should be like you don't
Speaker 2: even know what they are, and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Or you know, during the Kuwait nineteen eighty nine, you know,
Speaker 2: the work away where they they couldn't found Kuwait on
Speaker 2: a map week before, and they're ready to send their
Speaker 2: firstborn off to die for it, said, you know, it's
Speaker 2: so sad to realize how people can be influenced by
Speaker 2: a few stupid news reports from these you know, millionaire
Speaker 2: talking he had to who you can't even think and
Speaker 2: you know where the stuff is coming from, the abrupt
Speaker 2: intelligence agents and stuff. So I would like to have vote,
Speaker 2: but I think that you know, lacking, lacking a sudden
Speaker 2: involvement of churches, don't. I don't think we can do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just look at look at what we had.
Speaker 2: Were there any protests over the twenty twenty two election.
Speaker 2: Everybody knew they learned a this is corrupt. Look what
Speaker 2: happened to uh Carrie Lake in Arizona. I mean that
Speaker 2: was just blatant. But they're threatening to prosecute her for
Speaker 2: complaining about it. Donald Trump is probably still going to
Speaker 2: be prosecuted as they just go out and as a show,
Speaker 2: as a symbol to all of this to just keep
Speaker 2: prosecuting him for every stupid thing they can think of.
Speaker 2: He's probably going to be prosecuting Georgia for complaining about
Speaker 2: the election. And it won't matter to anybody that you
Speaker 2: and Stacy Abrams walking around that same state, still claiming
Speaker 2: she was robbed the governor same state. So she can
Speaker 2: do that and he can't. So it's it's it's just
Speaker 2: horrific to who they see the way the system is.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem, is it, no matter how many
Speaker 2: And I don't know. Again, I hate to be to
Speaker 2: black girl, but I don't know even if we do
Speaker 2: make a lot of Look what happened in Brazil and
Speaker 2: millions of people out there, brottest the election didn't matter.
Speaker 2: Didn't matter, Yeah, Fallson arrows out, same thing. In Canada.
Speaker 2: You had a shocking during the truck or convoy. I
Speaker 2: mean you had lots of people there that was, you know,
Speaker 2: impacting the world. People were, you know, being reacting to
Speaker 2: that didn't matter. Trudeau said I'm gonna freeze your bank
Speaker 2: accounts and that after it's over. Eventually he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't have a band gate or something. But they
Speaker 2: didn't turn anything, they didn't change anything. So we are
Speaker 2: the little convoy here had no impact at all because
Speaker 2: Americans they are held by January sixth, So I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, it would take I've said, I've been find
Speaker 2: of saying, and I think it's still probably true that
Speaker 2: the only way we're ever going to have any change
Speaker 2: is when there are more of us than there are
Speaker 2: of them. There are more people that are awake that
Speaker 2: are sleep and we've got a long way to get
Speaker 2: that get there. But if we can do that, maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, But then there's still got to have
Speaker 2: the people in power, because it doesn't matter if you know,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of us are awake, if everybody in power
Speaker 2: is on the other side. Like Richard Dalzer who just
Speaker 2: recently died as long ago, the great comedian who was
Speaker 2: a really into conspiracies, and you know, he knew of me,
Speaker 2: We knew each other, and he he had a great
Speaker 2: freshman He said, ninety percent of the people was killed
Speaker 2: by conspiracy. The other ten percent worked with the government
Speaker 2: in the media. That's the way to spend anything. So
Speaker 2: that's it doesn't matter if he gets to where ninety
Speaker 2: percent of us are awaked all this, if the ten
Speaker 2: percent are still working for the government of the media,
Speaker 2: nothing will change. We have to have people in power.
Speaker 2: So that's why it's no when you get somebody even
Speaker 2: like a Marjorie Taylor Green, who is you know, seems
Speaker 2: to me in some kind of way. At least she's
Speaker 2: says she's saying some good stuff. She was talking about
Speaker 2: child drafting here. I don't think it's any accident that
Speaker 2: she was drummed out of the Reading podcast right after
Speaker 2: she really made a very aggressive speech against child sect
Speaker 2: trafficking and tied a bidence to it. So and suddenly
Speaker 2: she's gone for that. So you know, there's not even
Speaker 2: in that group. There's not enough, not enough people that
Speaker 2: that are on our side. There's nobody in the business world, nobody,
Speaker 2: not a single person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you right? We do need to get rid
Speaker 1: of the gatekeepers somehow, and that is that's what's causing
Speaker 1: a huge rift between us and the very powerful. But
Speaker 1: Donald keep on being a dangerous man. It's because of you.
Speaker 1: More and more people are waking up. So I thank
Speaker 1: you for that. And before you head out, let everyone
Speaker 1: know where they can find all your content.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm promoting substack now over anything, because it is
Speaker 2: a free speech platform. It seems to be the last
Speaker 2: big free speech platform. It's Donald Jeffries dot substack dot com.
Speaker 2: It's called I protest. That's the place to find me
Speaker 2: and to support me. The only place I'm being a
Speaker 2: allowed to grow. I'm shadow band on Facebook and Twitter.
Speaker 2: I mean I still you still follow me a Twitter
Speaker 2: at Don Jeffery. They will let me get up and
Speaker 2: then they start taking followers away. People tell me I've
Speaker 2: had to follow you eight times, you know, because you
Speaker 2: keep on following it. So they're doing the little tricks.
Speaker 2: But substack so far is good and you can you know,
Speaker 2: I write regularly there and my show I Protest. Also
Speaker 2: in my Protest that's live streams every Friday from five
Speaker 2: to seven Eastern on the Rockman dot com. And also
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Speaker 2: So people can find that a lot, and you know,
Speaker 2: support me. And if you if you by I'm asking
Speaker 2: the truth, that's wonderful. And even if you don't, if
Speaker 2: you don't buy it, cry suggesting to your libraries. This
Speaker 2: one has an uphill battle because it's my most controversial book,
Speaker 2: and that's saying something considering the books I've written. But
Speaker 2: this one is really they're playing games with it already.
Speaker 2: It's not appearing in the World cat Library catalog. You know,
Speaker 2: all my other books are one hundreds of libraries around
Speaker 2: the world. This one's going to be tough. But if
Speaker 2: you keep suggesting it to your library, it doesn't carost
Speaker 2: you anything. Just say, hey, add this book to your collection,
Speaker 2: and eventually we can Some of them will do it,
Speaker 2: and the dominoes will start to volve. But that's that's
Speaker 2: what you know. Nick, you can help me like that
Speaker 2: and support me on Donald Jeffreys. That's up today.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome Ford and Mix. Mike Ford is
Speaker 1: an American award winning producer, songwriter and visionary. For more
Speaker 1: than twenty five years, created music for some of the
Speaker 1: most famous recording artists in the world. Mix Mike Pritchard
Speaker 1: is a record producer, recording engineer, esoteric researcher, and science
Speaker 1: enthusiasts from the Atlanta area. He has been a huge
Speaker 1: portion of his life dedicated to learning the art of
Speaker 1: making records and all things music. During his journey, he
Speaker 1: discovered four P thirty two hurts, alternative tunings and temperaments,
Speaker 1: which opened up a new avenue of learning and application forward. Mike, Welcome,
Speaker 1: How are y'all doing?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hey, good to see you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're good. Thanks for having us man.
Speaker 1: Welcome, great to have you on. Can't wait to get
Speaker 1: into this. You guys are producing music that integrate psychoacoustic technology,
Speaker 1: which is mathematically tuned to be in harmonic alignment with
Speaker 1: nature's golden ratio. Now, this is very interesting, and I
Speaker 1: believe that sound and frequency, combined with this invisible force
Speaker 1: of energy that really binds everything together, could cause extraordinary
Speaker 1: manifestations in our reality, which I also want to get
Speaker 1: into a little bit. But before we get into anything,
Speaker 1: this is your first time on. Tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit more about yourselves and what got you started with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I've I've been producing music
Speaker 3: for about thirty years professionally and work with more famous
Speaker 3: names than I care to to mention on here. But
Speaker 3: did that for a long long time and just realized
Speaker 3: that what was making me happy was my pursuit of
Speaker 3: spirituality and that kind of and the unknown of zen
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing. So I wrote a couple
Speaker 3: of books about it, and I thought I wanted to
Speaker 3: make music that kind of reflected this idea ideology and
Speaker 3: making record label that was about empowering people and doing
Speaker 3: it through lyrics which are like mantras. If you think
Speaker 3: about it, and really I wanted to make a label,
Speaker 3: a record label that was about positivity and raising vibration,
Speaker 3: and tried for years to get record labels on board
Speaker 3: with that. Even though I was already in the game
Speaker 3: and making them lots of money, they just were not
Speaker 3: having it. So Mike and I tried doing this on
Speaker 3: our own three times and failed with a assortment of
Speaker 3: other people, and Fire Tribe was like the last straw,
Speaker 3: Like I was even my bailed out. It was like,
Speaker 3: all right, just let me know when you get it going,
Speaker 3: you know. So we've got fire Tribe going, and in
Speaker 3: less than a year we boomed up to two hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty thousand subscribers. So it's been quite a rocket
Speaker 3: ship since it took off. It's been awesome. People are
Speaker 3: really really getting into it, and I think what they're
Speaker 3: really getting into is the is the tuning that we're doing.
Speaker 3: We're doing this very specific mathematical tunings that were developed
Speaker 3: by some very very very brilliant, brilliant genius minds out there,
Speaker 3: Robert or Grant for one of them, Ken Wheeler, Dan Winter,
Speaker 3: and then the genius that we here, Mike has helped
Speaker 3: helped put it all together into the one cohesive way
Speaker 3: of making music, and I think we've got something that's
Speaker 3: really hypnotic and amazing.
Speaker 1: Actually, Mike tell us a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, My story is a little bit different
Speaker 4: than Ford's. However, I have spent a lot of time
Speaker 4: working in the music industry, uh, and I always knew
Speaker 4: that there was more to music than just writing a
Speaker 4: good song, that music has the power to bring forth
Speaker 4: transcendent experiences and things of that nature. And as I
Speaker 4: started pursuing that as something, you know, more concrete, U,
Speaker 4: I've met forward along the way, and like Ford said,
Speaker 4: we had tried this a couple other times and it
Speaker 4: just wasn't quite fully formed yet. But after bringing a
Speaker 4: lot of the science and geometry and mathematics into the
Speaker 4: picture and really trying to make a real holistic thing,
Speaker 4: we've kind of been able to build this model where
Speaker 4: we can make music that really helps affect people changing
Speaker 4: their lives.
Speaker 1: So excellent. Well, let's get into the tuning that you
Speaker 1: use in the kind of music that you're producing. Tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about the process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, well, we use what we call five balance technology,
Speaker 4: and at the core of that is really kind of
Speaker 4: a set of philosophical principles is really what's at the
Speaker 4: bottom of it, which is something really interesting that a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't really consider music a very philosophical format.
Speaker 4: It's entertainment for most people. And what we kind of
Speaker 4: learned or discovered is that there's a lot of tie ins,
Speaker 4: or that there's a lot of mirrors in music and
Speaker 4: life itself. And life is made up of patterns, and
Speaker 4: people's lives are patternistic, and people's thoughts are patternistic, and
Speaker 4: music is also patternistic, and so we've kind of figured
Speaker 4: out a way to use these patterns that people are
Speaker 4: familiar with, things like archetypes and patterns and archetypes are
Speaker 4: basically the same thing. And so what we're doing is
Speaker 4: we're using geometry and tuning to mirror these patterns and
Speaker 4: help people attach or or resonate with these patterns.
Speaker 2: Right, I think you're right there.
Speaker 1: Most of the modern music we hear is just so mechanical,
Speaker 1: it's so reproduced, there's no substance to it. And whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever I listen to music, I prefer to hear something
Speaker 1: with not only more substance and technicality, but something that
Speaker 1: really elicits an emotion. And you don't get that from
Speaker 1: the pop industry and most of the mainstream music and
Speaker 1: most people, you're right, are just looking to be entertained
Speaker 1: by it and not even realizing what it's like to
Speaker 1: feel music on a deeper level, right right, Well, And you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think a lot of people get a taste
Speaker 4: of it in things like, you know, going to music
Speaker 4: festivals where the music's really loud. It obviously has more
Speaker 4: energy to it, so it's going to be more impactful
Speaker 4: because of the amount of energy that's being pushed onto you.
Speaker 4: But I think people have these experiences in places like
Speaker 4: that and they don't really know what that is. They think, oh, wow,
Speaker 4: I had the greatest time at Coachella, But it wasn't
Speaker 4: really Coachella, it was the musical experience. And so we
Speaker 4: know that music is a powerful conduit for these kinds
Speaker 4: of feelings and emotions, and what we want to do
Speaker 4: is really leverage that to affect people in a positive way.
Speaker 1: Anything to add to that.
Speaker 3: For yeah, I think people in estimate how music affects
Speaker 3: our emotions, affects our health, affects our bodies. As Tesla said,
Speaker 3: everything is frequency, energy and vibration, and when you know,
Speaker 3: the key to that you can really really change things,
Speaker 3: and not only your personal world, but in the world outside.
Speaker 3: And that secret is the ether and understanding that that
Speaker 3: that all permeating field that's out there, that's connecting us
Speaker 3: all is the ether. And when you understand that, the
Speaker 3: way that it moves and the way that it works
Speaker 3: is very musical in nature. We're tapping into that. That's
Speaker 3: exactly what we're tapping into. And there are people using
Speaker 3: this technology now to tap into deeper ideas, ways of
Speaker 3: healing cancer and free energy and making flying cars and
Speaker 3: things like that, and there's very credible people working on this.
Speaker 3: But I think we're taking these ideas and applying them
Speaker 3: in a more general sense to music. And what's amazing
Speaker 3: is the experience is that people are having from this
Speaker 3: is quite quite incredible, quite incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about some of the
Speaker 1: experiences that people can expect from this and how are
Speaker 1: you integrating this tuning in there? Is this four thirty
Speaker 1: two hurts that you're integrating in there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, four thirty two is one of many frequencies
Speaker 4: that we're using, and that's part of the five balance things.
Speaker 4: We discovered that that there are kind of like nodal
Speaker 4: points for specific frequencies. And what I mean by that
Speaker 4: is like, there are frequencies that really hold certain energies
Speaker 4: really well, and so we use four thirty two, and
Speaker 4: we use a host of other ones, like sulfaggio tones
Speaker 4: if your viewers might be or may or may not
Speaker 4: be familiar with that phrase. But there's a set of
Speaker 4: frequencies that some monks came up with about over a
Speaker 4: thousand years ago, and it had to do with geometry
Speaker 4: and math and number sequences and number patterns and philosophical
Speaker 4: math and all that stuff, and so those frequencies, you know,
Speaker 4: they were banned for a great many years, like what
Speaker 4: the last thousand years, they were pretty much hidden until
Speaker 4: you know, the advent of the internet and information and
Speaker 4: we've been able to figure these things out. And previously
Speaker 4: musical instruments were tuned so that these frequencies weren't easily accessible,
Speaker 4: that the musical notes didn't fall in these frequencies because
Speaker 4: they had such power, and the church wanted to maintain
Speaker 4: that power, and so they kind of ban those frequencies.
Speaker 4: And we use a lot of those too, because they
Speaker 4: do actually work. You know, Conspiracies aside, we found that, Wow,
Speaker 4: there's actually something to these things, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And to add to that, it's just that
Speaker 3: the doubters out there, you know, these numbers are not arbitrary.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of times I hear the argument
Speaker 3: of all how they know was five hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: eight thousand years. Because it's not about the number itself.
Speaker 3: It's about patterns and scaling. And when you can understand that,
Speaker 3: it's like, these patterns are present no matter where you
Speaker 3: set where you say, it just so happens. These are
Speaker 3: where we set the frequency notes, you know. And what's
Speaker 3: interesting is that the numbers that we've chosen are have
Speaker 3: these incredible mathematical constants where it just shows over and
Speaker 3: over and over again, like the pyramid has got all
Speaker 3: kinds of four thirty two minutes. This li was for
Speaker 3: one example. So there's very significance to this pattern I
Speaker 3: think that we're tapping into. And the other thing to
Speaker 3: just understand too, is that the way that it's not
Speaker 3: a spooky effect of how the music affects you, it's
Speaker 3: affecting you through a process of sympathetic resonance. So we've
Speaker 3: all had that experience of pulling up in our car
Speaker 3: to a traffic light and you bump some bass music,
Speaker 3: or maybe the car next to you is bumping some
Speaker 3: bass music, and then your mirror is vibrating, right, that's
Speaker 3: sympathetic resonance. That's the frequencies from that music are hitting
Speaker 3: such a point that it's causing it's matching the frequency
Speaker 3: of the mirror, and it's causing the mirror to vibrate. Well,
Speaker 3: the same principle applies to your body. You're made of
Speaker 3: eighty six percent water. There's a lot of vibration going
Speaker 3: on here. And when you introduce a vibration has a
Speaker 3: stronger feel to it, you're automatically going to fall on
Speaker 3: line to that resonance. It's going to pull your whole
Speaker 3: body into that resonance. And these resonant frequencies have some
Speaker 3: very magical properties to them. And when you do these,
Speaker 3: it's undeniable, like this is not a thing where like, oh,
Speaker 3: just believe me, No, go try it and tell me
Speaker 3: you didn't have a crazy experience.
Speaker 4: I like to read the comments.
Speaker 3: Actually, if I read the comment section, if you only
Speaker 3: want to try to read the comments, there's ten thousand
Speaker 3: comments of people going holy crap, what happened made you
Speaker 3: spike my music? Like, yeah, we spiked it with my balance.
Speaker 1: I've had some some pretty incredible spiritual and emotional experiences
Speaker 1: that were based off of the just music that I've
Speaker 1: listened to, even music that I've created myself. What are
Speaker 1: some of the things that people can expect from, especially
Speaker 1: some of your own produced music.
Speaker 4: So we kind of have two we kind of have
Speaker 4: I'll say we kind of have two camps of music.
Speaker 4: We make like commercial music, like regular music that you
Speaker 4: would hear, like on the radio, that we do infuse
Speaker 4: with this technology so that you can get a little
Speaker 4: blast or pick me up of these vibrations. But we
Speaker 4: also do much longer format stuff, stuff meant for sleep
Speaker 4: and meditation or study, anti anxiety PTSD, that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So depending on what our users or what people are
Speaker 4: listening to, the effects of the effects vary. So if
Speaker 4: you're listening to a sleep track, I mean, it's designed
Speaker 4: to get you to sleep as quickly as possible, and
Speaker 4: they're very effective at that too, And the same with
Speaker 4: the anti anxiety and PTSD one. So you know, obviously
Speaker 4: people that are listening to that can expect to relax
Speaker 4: and feel more comfortable and safe and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I think some of the cooler things that probably
Speaker 4: a lot of people want to hear about is things
Speaker 4: like lucid dreaming, enhanced dream states and stuff there. We
Speaker 4: have some some programs for that kind of thing, and
Speaker 4: they can definitely expect, if they're engaging with it, to
Speaker 4: have those experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that our Lucid Dreaming one, the Third
Speaker 3: Eye program, the Third Eye Sleep program. I think it
Speaker 3: has almost nine million views in the first year, So
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's how that's how powerful it is,
Speaker 3: you know, incredible. People are like wow, you know.
Speaker 1: Now, I've also experienced what I would call healing effects
Speaker 1: for music and from from many different aspects. Is this
Speaker 1: some thing that people have experienced as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, all kinds of things. Now, I mean we're
Speaker 4: not going to say that this is an alternative to
Speaker 4: saying or a substitute for seeing a doctor or anything
Speaker 4: like that. Absolutely get you medical counsel from a licensed doctor.
Speaker 4: But it does help with the symptoms of a lot
Speaker 4: of things, Like we have pain relief ones and it
Speaker 4: helps with the symptoms of pain. It helps relieve pain,
Speaker 4: and like I said, with PTSD and anxiety definitely helps
Speaker 4: relieve the symptoms of those things for sure.
Speaker 3: And there's been countless studies, like real Harvard and Medical
Speaker 3: journal studies, and we have them posted on our channel.
Speaker 3: There's literally hundreds of them of these credible studies being
Speaker 3: done by people talking about the effects of the frequencies
Speaker 3: like five hundred and twenty it hurts for example, helps
Speaker 3: the DNA repair itself, and these are these are dieting,
Speaker 3: these are like these have been documented things by In fact,
Speaker 3: the person who documented that, I think his last name
Speaker 3: was Quick, but he actually won the Nobel Prize and.
Speaker 4: It wasn't for this, but it was for something else
Speaker 4: related to this.
Speaker 3: But he's recognized the importance of five hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: eight herds in DNA. And like I said, there's been
Speaker 3: hundreds of studies on this. So it's it sounds wog
Speaker 3: when we're talking about it, but there's there's real quick
Speaker 3: credulity to this. It's quite amazing. And I think that
Speaker 3: the monks a thousand years ago figured this out. I
Speaker 3: mean I think that churches they were hospitals. I think
Speaker 3: that that's what they were originally for. You would go
Speaker 3: there for healing, and they would use the fractality of
Speaker 3: the music that was precisely tuned to these, to this
Speaker 3: geometry that they figured out, and it was fractal with
Speaker 3: the buildings themselves, which were also fractal to these, to
Speaker 3: these frequencies and their angles, angles, angels. Right, it's the
Speaker 3: same thing. So I think that that's the original purpose
Speaker 3: of these and they really understood that, and somehow for
Speaker 3: from the various reasons or not, we've forgotten this, this
Speaker 3: this holistic way of healing.
Speaker 1: Speaking of forgetting and possible nefarious reasons for that. You
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, how you tried submitting some of
Speaker 1: your music to different entities and God denied because certain
Speaker 1: mainstream entities don't want to produce this type of music,
Speaker 1: probably because of the intentional suppression of some of the
Speaker 1: power of it. And like you were talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: this has possibly been going on for a very long time.
Speaker 1: To what extent do you do you think our mainstream
Speaker 1: music industry is preventing music like yours from getting out there?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is a little bit of deeper apple hoobe,
Speaker 3: but I'll get to as quickly as possible. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's so much of it as a conspiracy. As
Speaker 3: it is we're working, is that two energies are working
Speaker 3: against each other, right, and we can call that the
Speaker 3: energy of the adversary, right, And it's not an adversary
Speaker 3: works through people, and it works through their greed and
Speaker 3: all these other different things, the components of their lives.
Speaker 3: But what you'll find in the music business is, you know,
Speaker 3: I was. I was in there as much as you
Speaker 3: could be. I work with Michael Jackson. I produce records
Speaker 3: for j Lo, I produce records for all kinds of people,
Speaker 3: Mick Jagger, Vitus. I mean, I've been in the room
Speaker 3: with big people, and you know, I could walk into
Speaker 3: any label and get a meeting with anybody I wanted.
Speaker 3: So this was not like I couldn't get this done.
Speaker 3: It was just nobody saw the value what we were doing.
Speaker 3: In fact, they saw that, oh, you want to change
Speaker 3: the tuning of music, Well, that's even more complicated.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to hear that. Now, to speak to what
Speaker 3: you're asking about with the conspiracies and stuff, I think, yes,
Speaker 3: it's being driven that way, and I think it's being
Speaker 3: driven that way through Like I said, the energy of
Speaker 3: the adversary and can call that the devil or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call that, whatever you know, name you
Speaker 3: want to give that. But you know, like I've had
Speaker 3: conversations with successful people and they'd say, you know, we
Speaker 3: would write an album, you know, an album full of
Speaker 3: gangster rap or whatever, you know, and they write one
Speaker 3: good song and then they would find that, well, they
Speaker 3: write the songs that they really want to write about,
Speaker 3: which are about unity or whatever, those wouldn't be the singles.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't take long before you realize only thing
Speaker 3: they're going to push are the songs that are more
Speaker 3: dark and aggressive and all that kind of thing. Where
Speaker 3: does that come from? I don't know. Is that are
Speaker 3: these people in the back room deciding this? I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the real, the real, interesting mystery of all of
Speaker 3: this is what these frequencies can do. That's the thing
Speaker 3: to focus on. I mean, we could talk about Nazis,
Speaker 3: we could talk about mom talk, we talk about all
Speaker 3: these cool things, but but but that's all a distraction
Speaker 3: from the real The real mystery is, Wow, what are
Speaker 3: these frequencies doing? Because the implications of that changes everything,
Speaker 3: Like you really allow yourself to think about this, the
Speaker 3: fact that we're able to do this with music and
Speaker 3: it's working leads to unending implications and free energy and
Speaker 3: all kinds of possibilities because it's proving it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything to add to that, Mike.
Speaker 4: No, not a lot. I think that was very well said.
Speaker 4: I don't really have a lot to add, But I
Speaker 4: do agree that it's hard for me to You know,
Speaker 4: everybody likes a good story and a good cop, but
Speaker 4: it's hard for me to say that it's it's intentionally
Speaker 4: a nefarious effort to a like the the standardizing of tuning.
Speaker 4: There's tons of conspiracies about why we chose four forty
Speaker 4: and all this stuff, and it's hard for me to
Speaker 4: get behind the nefarious aspect of it. It just looks
Speaker 4: like people didn't know the truth or the power of
Speaker 4: scaling things correctly, and they just picked something that was
Speaker 4: in the middle. And then to talk about what kind
Speaker 4: of music sells or they're intentionally trying to keep this
Speaker 4: kind of music down. I think maybe, like Ford said,
Speaker 4: on some level, that might be true, but it's not
Speaker 4: like every record exec is getting an order from the
Speaker 4: illuminati saying don't produce this music. Like No, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's like that. I think it's they see patterns
Speaker 4: of oh, well, this kind of music isn't really selling,
Speaker 4: and we're not taking a chance on anything that's not selling,
Speaker 4: and there's just and speaking specifically to music as a
Speaker 4: healing modality, I think that there's just no infant structure
Speaker 4: for it and there's no way for it to succeed.
Speaker 4: So it's they don't see it succeeding, so they don't
Speaker 4: want to get behind it. And maybe there's some you
Speaker 4: know whatever person at the very top that knows, hey,
Speaker 4: people can't be doing this kind of thing, but they're
Speaker 4: not going around telling people not to make music like
Speaker 4: this like that.
Speaker 1: No, there's plenty of wonderful artists, great music out there.
Speaker 1: It's just your biggest mainstream acts that are just following
Speaker 1: a formula that has been put out there that seems
Speaker 1: to work for some people, and for me, it actually
Speaker 1: gives me a headache. It makes me feel sick to
Speaker 1: listen to some of the big mainstream pop artists out there.
Speaker 1: Especially when I had a corporate job and they used
Speaker 1: to blare it all day, I'd have the biggest headache
Speaker 1: and I'd be so frustrated just because I was subjected
Speaker 1: to that all day, so it did not. It gave
Speaker 1: me the opposite of any type of healing or spiritual
Speaker 1: experiences to listen to that stuff.
Speaker 4: Right, And I agree with that. I think that a
Speaker 4: lot of music nowadays is very incoherent, meaning that the
Speaker 4: message and the music and all of that stuff isn't
Speaker 4: aligned to your well being at all. It's not meant
Speaker 4: to make you feel whole and wholly and complete. It's
Speaker 4: made to make you want more products and buy more
Speaker 4: things and be a part of the culture and engage
Speaker 4: in the rat race like that's what that's what drives
Speaker 4: you know, the whole system forward. So that's what they're
Speaker 4: pushing because you know, more sales for this person is
Speaker 4: a hey, if I can help that person out, then
Speaker 4: naoi one. And it's this whole looking out for yourself
Speaker 4: kind of mentality that I think drives that forward.
Speaker 3: But it's marketing in general that, yeah, drives that forward.
Speaker 3: That's just that's just the nature of capitalism. That's that's
Speaker 3: what's going to happen. And music is such a proponent
Speaker 3: for getting people's states and putting people in a state
Speaker 3: of mind. Of course, it's going to be used for
Speaker 3: driving capitalism and materialism, you know. And you could say
Speaker 3: that's evil or dark, or you say it's that's just life,
Speaker 3: that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some people are concerned about like AI taking
Speaker 1: over music and they're not being room for real creativity
Speaker 1: and artists anymore. But I don't ever see that happening
Speaker 1: because I think there's more people that appreciate good music
Speaker 1: that touch their soul and that they feel that elicit
Speaker 1: emotion than people who just you know, want to be
Speaker 1: part of the system and listen to the mainstream pop music,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say, you know that, Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of artists and stuff that are worried about AI,
Speaker 4: and I think that both visual artists and music artists
Speaker 4: that are a lot of people are kind of concerned
Speaker 4: about that the effect it will have. But I think that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's not going to affect someone who makes
Speaker 4: something really original and unique because AI could at best
Speaker 4: copy that, but it's never going to outdo a person
Speaker 4: that's themselves. Like an AI can't be more me than me.
Speaker 4: It can emulate me and be close to me, but
Speaker 4: it's never going to be me. It's always going to
Speaker 4: be one step behind. So I think if artists take
Speaker 4: that standpoint and really think about how they make their
Speaker 4: art or what they're making their art for, and prioritizing
Speaker 4: authenticity and originality, then you know, they we got nothing
Speaker 4: to worry about. The generic is the only thing in danger.
Speaker 3: I'll speak to that too. I'm going to date myself
Speaker 3: by saying this. But you know, when I got into
Speaker 3: this business, the reason I blew up so quickly in
Speaker 3: my twenties is because I knew how to use MIDI,
Speaker 3: And back then, MIDI was a brand new thing. And
Speaker 3: I remember the attitude. Back then. I would go to
Speaker 3: studios with musicians and everyone hanging out, you know, and
Speaker 3: they hated the fact that I knew MIDI. They thought
Speaker 3: it was cheating. I thought that that wasn't the real thing,
Speaker 3: that I'd use a computer to make music, you know,
Speaker 3: And I remember what that was like. It was very
Speaker 3: much being shunned. You know, that's not the real thing.
Speaker 3: But here we are now, you know, thirty years later,
Speaker 3: we've got hip hop, We've got electronic music, we've got
Speaker 3: dance music, we've got trance, e DM, we got you know,
Speaker 3: all these crazy dub step like look, how far music
Speaker 3: is gone because of me, and it wouldn't have happened
Speaker 3: if it wentn't for many, So you know, it's hard
Speaker 3: to say AI is going to do the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's going to create all kinds of music that we
Speaker 3: could never even dream of before, but it's also going
Speaker 3: to create a lot of disruption too.
Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about what is happening in
Speaker 1: our society with everyone that seems to be becoming aware
Speaker 1: at the same time and more spiritually awakened. Do you
Speaker 1: think that this is going to ultimately have an effect
Speaker 1: on what we see from our music industries and mainstream
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 3: No, I think the music industry is not what it
Speaker 3: used to be because anybody who was into music, like
Speaker 3: the old we used to call them record guys, are
Speaker 3: music people like the used to be filled with people
Speaker 3: in the music industry, or they're obsessed with music. They
Speaker 3: can tell you who played saxophone on what record from
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, Like that's how there worre used to be.
Speaker 3: And all those people got fired in around two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight when the whole industry changed up, and they
Speaker 3: replaced all those people with people who just basically comb
Speaker 3: TikTok and YouTube and that kind of thing, and there's
Speaker 3: no thought to is this good or bad? It's just
Speaker 3: is it trending? That's the only thought, is the thing?
Speaker 1: So so basically our only hope is independent artists and
Speaker 1: music like yourself.
Speaker 3: Yes, I realized that this had to happen at the
Speaker 3: conceptual level. It was never going to happen at that
Speaker 3: level because development is just not a real thing anymore.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist. So I speak to all those other
Speaker 3: musicians out there, You guys are waiting for someone to
Speaker 3: save you. It's not going to happen. Just work on yourself,
Speaker 3: follow your dream and making it, build your audience, and
Speaker 3: by the time your audience is big enough, the labels
Speaker 3: will come and a good deal.
Speaker 1: But the same thing is happening on a large scale
Speaker 1: with an entertainment industry as a whole, with movies, TV, podcasts.
Speaker 1: People are turning towards different types of entertainment because they
Speaker 1: want something real. They don't want this fakery and commercial
Speaker 1: prop aganda anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: Right, which is why I was saying, you know, emphasizing authenticity.
Speaker 4: We've had this over produced, fake personality type form of
Speaker 4: entertainment for so long. Like you said, people are tired
Speaker 4: of they're tired of it. They're they're overstimulated by it,
Speaker 4: and they want something that's more tangible and real that
Speaker 4: they can connect to. And as long as people, you know,
Speaker 4: as long as human artists are being authentic like they're
Speaker 4: they're in there, you.
Speaker 1: Just have to be you know, also interesting, let's get
Speaker 1: back to some of the profound effects that people can
Speaker 1: expect from some of these tones in this music. You
Speaker 1: mentioned sleep states and possibly meditation, some of the effects
Speaker 1: that this could have on people's meditative states. Could you
Speaker 1: talk about that a.
Speaker 4: Little bit, Yeah, yeah, definitely. So the big thing with
Speaker 4: our five balance technology is really is really getting people's
Speaker 4: brain waves to lock in with with the frequency, and
Speaker 4: by doing that, that's kind of that that's kind of
Speaker 4: what's causing these brain states. You know, your brain waves
Speaker 4: they move at different rates for different states of mind.
Speaker 4: And using sympathetic resonance, which Ford talked about a little
Speaker 4: bit ago, which is, you know, we've all seen the
Speaker 4: wine glass break from the singer that has to do
Speaker 4: with sympathetic resonance. They're singing a note that the glass
Speaker 4: vibrates at with so much energy that the glass can't
Speaker 4: contain the amount of energy and it breaks. And that's
Speaker 4: kind of the same thing is we're not trying to
Speaker 4: break you. We're trying to get your different parts of
Speaker 4: your psyche to vibrate in certain ways, so that like
Speaker 4: your thoughts are vibrations, So if we can lock those
Speaker 4: thoughts in to a certain vibration, then we can help
Speaker 4: produce these brain states. And so the sleep states, like
Speaker 4: we have one that the lucid dreaming one really pushes
Speaker 4: you down really really in a low low frequency so
Speaker 4: low that's where you have all your lucid dreams at.
Speaker 4: So it helps push you down further than just going
Speaker 4: to sleep on your own. It really locks you into
Speaker 4: this state and allows you to have this experience there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot it does. It does more than
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 3: We have we have things for insomnia, which are what
Speaker 3: Mike's talking about, bringing you down to these low, low
Speaker 3: delta states where you're going to be just out and
Speaker 3: you're going to sleep no matter what. So the vast
Speaker 3: majority of people we get comments from our people say
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to sleep for a year. I
Speaker 3: haven't slept. None of these things ever work on me
Speaker 3: and now I'm sleeping or I can't get my child
Speaker 3: to sleep, and now it's making the sleep. So we
Speaker 3: have those those are like those are delta programs, and
Speaker 3: then we also have for the lucid dreaming, like the
Speaker 3: Third Eye is the the THEATA programs which do something
Speaker 3: they keep you in the hit what's called the hypnagogic state,
Speaker 3: which is that state just prior to falling into a
Speaker 3: dream and just not quite being there yet right. And
Speaker 3: what happens is is we use special techniques to kind
Speaker 3: of dip you into this place and then pull you
Speaker 3: out of it at specific intervals, and that's what creates
Speaker 3: these lucid dreams. And a lucid dream for anyone who
Speaker 3: doesn't know, is when you are aware that you're dreaming
Speaker 3: while you're dreaming, and usually just being aware that you're
Speaker 3: dreaming why you're dreaming will probably snap you out of it.
Speaker 3: But it's very it's a very startling experience because it's
Speaker 3: it's amazing how real it is. And as you do
Speaker 3: it more and more you can get good. It's staying
Speaker 3: with it and not giving away to astonishment and just
Speaker 3: stay staying in the dream. And I know people who
Speaker 3: loseid dream all the time, and you know they will.
Speaker 3: They will tell you that you can stay with it
Speaker 3: long enough to interact with it. You can ask, you know,
Speaker 3: flowers to grow on the wall, you can ask to
Speaker 3: fly away like Neo, and it's all possible excellently.
Speaker 1: What about for meditation? Would you recommend these this music
Speaker 1: for meditation as well?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, absolutely, yeah, the same way we do that
Speaker 4: stuff with sleep, where we do it with meditation to
Speaker 4: help you put put your brain into these states where
Speaker 4: meditation is more beneficial, where you can get to your
Speaker 4: subconscious a little bit quicker, you know, get information to
Speaker 4: your subconscious faster.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the state also we're taking you to is
Speaker 3: the flow state. People want you familiar with the flow state.
Speaker 3: That's a highly creative zone, which is where you're pulling into.
Speaker 3: And what the flow state is is there's just a
Speaker 3: natural flowing current to consciousness. It's there and it follows
Speaker 3: a very specific mathematical pattern. And what we were doing
Speaker 3: is we're using sympathetic resonance to make you harmonic with
Speaker 3: that flow. And when you do is you instantly pull
Speaker 3: yourself into a flow state place which if you're studying,
Speaker 3: you're going to absorb everything, you're going to remember everything,
Speaker 3: you're going to be on it. If you're creating, painting,
Speaker 3: or making music or whatever. Maybe not making music because
Speaker 3: you couldn't listen to this, but if you're painting or
Speaker 3: sculpting whatever, like they get into this flow state where
Speaker 3: it's just coming through like crazy. So if you have
Speaker 3: a writer's block or you're having an issue where you
Speaker 3: can't get ideas going, that are great for that. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of different things we use them for.
Speaker 3: And surprisingly, one of the most powerful thing we found
Speaker 3: is that it was helping people with PTSD tremendously and
Speaker 3: that was been that's been I shouldn't say like shocking,
Speaker 3: but like the how effective it's been blow my mind
Speaker 3: or mind blowing, mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Could we explore that a little bit more? What what
Speaker 1: are some of the testimonies from people that are having
Speaker 1: positive experiences from this when it comes to PTSD, right
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Speaker 3: They're able to get calm very very quickly, within a
Speaker 3: couple of minutes. So they might be having a panic
Speaker 3: attack or a freak out, you know, and they can
Speaker 3: get a hold of themselves within just a few minutes.
Speaker 3: And a lot of them have tell them, telling me
Speaker 3: that by using it every day, just for a few
Speaker 3: minutes a day, it's helping them just kind of stay
Speaker 3: keep it together throughout the day. So that's been And
Speaker 3: when I and it sounds so trivial when I say
Speaker 3: it like that, but if you'd read the comments, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're they're long, they're they're like they're like they're beside
Speaker 3: themselves with astonishment that that this is saving them. And
Speaker 3: you can tell you can really read the desperation in
Speaker 3: their comments, and it's like it's been very rewarding. It's
Speaker 3: all I can say. It's been the most rewarding thing
Speaker 3: I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 1: Is there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to hop on our I was trying
Speaker 4: to hop on our channel and read some of the
Speaker 4: comments here that have been put on these pieces ones.
Speaker 4: These are just some random ones I'm just pulling up
Speaker 4: as they come up that says, oh, this is nice.
Speaker 4: It's calming somehow simultaneously uplifting and inspiring at the same time.
Speaker 4: There's also something both modern and familiar to it as well.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: There's one that says, I'm so excited to sleep to
Speaker 4: this tonight and see how it compares the previous one
Speaker 4: with how it helps with my PTSD. I already know
Speaker 4: it's going to be amazing. I'm excited to see this
Speaker 4: in or more of this in the future. And there's
Speaker 4: a bunch of them. Okay, here's a good one. Let's
Speaker 4: see that's uh.
Speaker 3: Oh, go in to the comments.
Speaker 4: You guys are right, there's a million of them. There's
Speaker 4: tens of soldiers of commons, tons.
Speaker 3: Of soldiers and people like that talking about just how
Speaker 3: it's just helping, you know, to get their lives.
Speaker 1: Back right now. Is there a certain volume level that
Speaker 1: you would recommend people listen to this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a couple different ways. There are a
Speaker 4: few different ways to experience the five balance technology, and
Speaker 4: there's a kind of a couple different levels, and we
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure that there's something for everybody, no
Speaker 4: matter how they're listening to it. The preferred way would
Speaker 4: be kind of full frequency range speakers, something that's kind
Speaker 4: of you know, larger speakers in a stereo speakers, not
Speaker 4: just like a This will work on something like a
Speaker 4: Bluetooth speaker or whatever, but you want something big that's
Speaker 4: going to get the full frequency range, so you want bass,
Speaker 4: you want treble. And then the other main experience is
Speaker 4: one for headphones. We use binyl beats and we do
Speaker 4: infuse this with vinyl beats, so if you're listening on headphones,
Speaker 4: there is another level of synchronization that happens that you
Speaker 4: don't get from just speakers, but it will be effective
Speaker 4: even on your phone. If you're listening to it on
Speaker 4: your phone or even just a Bluetooth speaker, it does
Speaker 4: the music itself actually does help a tremendous amount as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we use binaural beats, which is part of it,
Speaker 3: and those only work on the headphones obviously, but that's
Speaker 3: a very small part of what we're doing. It's a component,
Speaker 3: but it's not the component, right, you know. And another thing,
Speaker 3: if you're trying to sleep, you want to play this
Speaker 3: very very quietly, just barely a loud enough to hear
Speaker 3: it without without straining to hear it. And if you're
Speaker 3: trying to meditate, same thing, like a little speaker in
Speaker 3: the corner is great. But here's here's the real gift.
Speaker 3: If you guys really want to experience something awesome, is
Speaker 3: check out any of the sol Veggio programs and put
Speaker 3: them on a big system if you have a good
Speaker 3: fidelity system. If Mike is describing, and play it loud
Speaker 3: and sit in the middle of the two speakers, and
Speaker 3: just see if you can last for ten minutes. And
Speaker 3: what's going to what's going to happen is every cell
Speaker 3: in your body's going to start vibrating. It's going to
Speaker 3: be the most crazy thing you've ever felt. And most
Speaker 3: people they either pass out in ten minutes or they
Speaker 3: just or just likely have to turn it off, it's
Speaker 3: just like too much. Yeah, so that's an awesome experience too,
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing. And some of the frequencies to check
Speaker 3: out would be like what seven forty one, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: seven eight, and the one what's the new one that
Speaker 3: was seventy four, Yeah, which helped with pain relief by
Speaker 3: the way, and they're really amazing with how well they
Speaker 3: work with that. So if you've got like back aches
Speaker 3: and muscle pain, anything to do with like muscular pain.
Speaker 3: I know this sounds hokey, this is the one. Just
Speaker 3: try just play a cranket and sit in front of
Speaker 3: every ten minutes to see how you feel.
Speaker 1: This can also affect us physically, like you said, for
Speaker 1: pains and aches, because of the certain levels of the frequencies.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, totally totally. Yeah, there's different frequencies for
Speaker 3: different aspects. So there's anything from muscular pain relief to
Speaker 3: like I said, DNA repair. There's this one for removing
Speaker 3: toxins from the body. These are all like the frequencies
Speaker 3: hit the body and the body knows what to do.
Speaker 3: And these are not things that we were talking that
Speaker 3: we're saying that they do. This is these are things
Speaker 3: that have been documented for a thousand years. This has
Speaker 3: been documented, so it's you don't take my word for it,
Speaker 3: you know. And then the chakra system we have is
Speaker 3: based on araveatic medicine, which people go, oh, that's new age.
Speaker 3: It's this now, Aravadic medicine is five thousand years old.
Speaker 3: It's been around. Wait, you know, modern medicine been around
Speaker 3: for two hundred years, and that's being that's been really considerate.
Speaker 3: So you're talking about a medicine that's been around for
Speaker 3: five thousand years. That says things a little bit different
Speaker 3: in the way how we see it in the West,
Speaker 3: and people want to discredit it because it's it's new.
Speaker 3: Page look into it. It's it's fascinating. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of really interesting things there and a lot of documentation too.
Speaker 1: Has anyone reported out of body or astral experiences because
Speaker 1: of the tones or music.
Speaker 3: All the time?
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially with the like the lucid dreaming ones,
Speaker 4: third eye ones, Yeah, those those ones in particular, Yes,
Speaker 4: definitely people have those experiences.
Speaker 3: Third eye in the crown chakra. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, what is what other aspects of your music or
Speaker 1: tunings or anything that you're working with, should should we
Speaker 1: bring up to the audience, is there anything that we
Speaker 1: haven't coverage yet related to your process?
Speaker 4: Well, we haven't really talked a lot about our commercial music.
Speaker 4: We've talked mostly about the effects of like our longer
Speaker 4: format sleep and meditation programs. But we're also doing this
Speaker 4: with normal music, like the same kind of stuff that
Speaker 4: you listen to everyday, pop music in all kinds of genres, whatever.
Speaker 4: We're also applying these techniques to normal music so that
Speaker 4: we kind of want to make this more of a
Speaker 4: lifestyle than just hey, come to our place when you
Speaker 4: need sleep or when you need pain relief, but that
Speaker 4: you can get these effects like all day. You know,
Speaker 4: you can listen to our commercial music during the day
Speaker 4: and our sleep music at night and have these vibrations
Speaker 4: helping your body and bio rhythms and all kinds of
Speaker 4: stuff all the time. Twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of people are very, very fascinated
Speaker 3: with the science behind this and how could you not,
Speaker 3: especially how much it taps into the philosophy and if
Speaker 3: you're interested in that, we have a weekly podcast that
Speaker 3: we do when we talk for a couple hours about
Speaker 3: the stuff. I mean, it goes deep into the rabbit
Speaker 3: hole of philosophy and mathematics and physics. And yeah, so
Speaker 3: we were surprised that so many people are interested to know,
Speaker 3: Like you know, we're fascinated by it too, and but
Speaker 3: a lot of people seem to be really really intrigued.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Let's get into some of your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: nature of our reality in general. You were talking about
Speaker 1: earlier this possible etheric energy that surrounds us at all times,
Speaker 1: that we can manipulate with these frequencies and it can
Speaker 1: manifest certain effects into our reality. Well, just based on
Speaker 1: that alone, what do you think that our reality is?
Speaker 1: What do you think that we are in relation to
Speaker 1: what we perceive here? And what do you think the
Speaker 1: purpose of us being here? Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: We're just talking about this, just talking about stuff, and
Speaker 4: we talk about this all the time. We talk about
Speaker 4: this on the podcast too. I'm a big subscriber to
Speaker 4: simulation theory, However I'm not I'm not a I don't
Speaker 4: think this is like a technological simulation. I would call
Speaker 4: it something much different than that, something more akin to
Speaker 4: like a spiritual simulation. But I think what we are
Speaker 4: is we are this energy that we're that we were
Speaker 4: just speaking of. We're a piece of that energy, and
Speaker 4: that's not anything new or groundbreaking when it comes to
Speaker 4: this kind of idea. But I think what is really
Speaker 4: interesting about it is, like you said, well, then why
Speaker 4: are we here? Well, I think we're here for experience
Speaker 4: and that's really all that there is. We argue about
Speaker 4: objective reality all the time and whether it's real or there,
Speaker 4: and I think that's not the point. The point is
Speaker 4: your subjective experience of it, and that's what we're here
Speaker 4: for is to gain both experience and nosis, which is
Speaker 4: the understanding of your experience. So that's probably what that's
Speaker 4: it in a nutshell for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And we're talking about the deconstruction of what
Speaker 3: we think reality is, and we're you know, as you
Speaker 3: deconstruct with that is you start getting down to the
Speaker 3: base of who you are and what the meaning of
Speaker 3: life is. And when you start really pulling away what
Speaker 3: is real and what isn't real, it turns out there's
Speaker 3: not really much of anything that is real at all,
Speaker 3: you know, So where does that leave us? It leaves
Speaker 3: us in a place of Okay, we're in a perpetual
Speaker 3: dream state. So when I wake up in the morning
Speaker 3: and I start this life, How do I know this
Speaker 3: is not just another dream from the last dream I
Speaker 3: was in? Right, Because the last dream I was in
Speaker 3: has all kinds of things and attributes to it that
Speaker 3: make me believe that it was real when I was
Speaker 3: in there. But as soon as I wake up, I
Speaker 3: realized that was this complete craziness, that was just a dream,
Speaker 3: you know. So when we literally start thinking about that,
Speaker 3: it leads you to some places of not having anything
Speaker 3: to hold on to. And this when you get to
Speaker 3: that state, that's like an ego death state. It's a
Speaker 3: it's a realization that without the validity of reality, there
Speaker 3: isn't even a self. So they kind of go hand
Speaker 3: in hand. And where that leads to is the study
Speaker 3: of zen and non duality, which is what is real,
Speaker 3: is the meaning, It's the meaning you take with you.
Speaker 3: That's that's what's real. And this music, interestingly, is very,
Speaker 3: very built around toroidal mechanics. And there's a lot of
Speaker 3: credible scientists with Dan Winter for one of them, who
Speaker 3: will argue that you build up this energy, you build
Speaker 3: up this toroidal energy, and you it helps you to
Speaker 3: sustain this information beyond death, beyond anything.
Speaker 1: M that's so interesting now, I was I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this the other day that if we are just
Speaker 1: fractals of source that are perpetually creating our reality over
Speaker 1: and over, that we each have our own unique experience
Speaker 1: because of the fractalization, but we're still part of the
Speaker 1: same source.
Speaker 4: Energy, right right, right, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: I mean objectively, if you look at the life objectively,
Speaker 3: like how I just describe life as a subjective point
Speaker 3: of view, but object point of view, you can say
Speaker 3: that we are humans in the middle of the universe.
Speaker 3: And what Mike is alluding to is that, yes, we're
Speaker 3: in a simulation, but we're in a spiritual simulation. So
Speaker 3: imagine that the universe itself is a giant computer, not
Speaker 3: a mechanical computer, but just a computer that has arisen
Speaker 3: out of self similarity and it just kind of happened,
Speaker 3: It kind of spontaneously arose. And what we're calling AI,
Speaker 3: the technological singularity, is just a fractal of that. It's
Speaker 3: an echo of that creation, and there's probably going to
Speaker 3: be another one inside AI going on forever. It's infinitude
Speaker 3: of fractality, all expressing the same thing, which is the
Speaker 3: story of gnosis. The story of awakening.
Speaker 1: Now, as far as spiritual experiences, people having profound contact
Speaker 1: with non human intelligences which you would consider angels or
Speaker 1: even higher self or spirit guides or extra terrestrials. What
Speaker 1: do you think is occurring in these situations, even some
Speaker 1: forms of paranormal activity. There are different, of course, variations
Speaker 1: of people's experiences, but there are also some overlapping similarities
Speaker 1: between everything that seems to have some connection, and a
Speaker 1: lot of these experiences seem to be connected with just
Speaker 1: people's consciousness. Could it be that it is ourselves, us
Speaker 1: communicating with ourselves from outside of what we would consider
Speaker 1: the simulation in spirit form, or is it this energy
Speaker 1: somehow manifesting into physicality and interacting with us, or is
Speaker 1: it something else? What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I think it's forever inside, it's not going to be outside.
Speaker 3: And I think what these what people are having contact
Speaker 3: with are archetypical higher selves. Conscious consciousness is not in
Speaker 3: the casing of the skull, it's it's in the mind,
Speaker 3: and the mind is everywhere you look. And what we're
Speaker 3: tapping into are these higher Carl Jung talking very much
Speaker 3: about this all about these archetypical layers of mind and
Speaker 3: and what they mean and when you when you're contacting them,
Speaker 3: they each have their own purpose and their own thing
Speaker 3: message that they convey. And I think that's what you're
Speaker 3: connecting to. Even graves are an archetype of being.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want I agree with that. I think that's
Speaker 4: I think that that is a variety. I don't think
Speaker 4: people are connecting to just one thing. I think ultimately
Speaker 4: it is one thing, but it's different aspects of the truth.
Speaker 4: We'll say, which ultimately is mind. You know, all is mind.
Speaker 4: That's what it says in the Kabali and if if
Speaker 4: you're into hermetics, uh, and that kind of thing. And
Speaker 4: I think that so that there's a variety of different
Speaker 4: things happening. Some people are connecting to higher sells. Some
Speaker 4: people are connecting to various levels of entities that exist
Speaker 4: externally and operate externally from our mind or our super
Speaker 4: conscious or super conscious states or whatever. But overall, I
Speaker 4: think it's it's a it's a little bit of a
Speaker 4: grab bag, or at least it kind of seems to be.
Speaker 4: That's not to say that there's no consistency. I think
Speaker 4: there's consistencies on levels of it, like when people have
Speaker 4: the abduction experience, obviously there's a lot of similarities between
Speaker 4: their independent stories and experiences of that. They're all similar
Speaker 4: in many ways. And when people see what they refer
Speaker 4: to as angels, all of those are definitely very similar.
Speaker 4: They have similarities between the descriptions and the events that
Speaker 4: take place. But yeah, I think it is a reflection
Speaker 4: of us on some level, because we are a reflection
Speaker 4: of those things where fractals of those ideas and archetypes
Speaker 4: that you know, there's reason why, like all all I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say all living creatures, but like all
Speaker 4: mammals have a similar structure in their like in their face.
Speaker 4: Why do we have you know, why they have two
Speaker 4: eyes and a nose and a mouth arranged the same way.
Speaker 4: There's obviously some archetypal pattern that keeps repeating in all
Speaker 4: of these things. But there's all but there's variations of it, right,
Speaker 4: and that exists, I think on in these hyperdimensional levels
Speaker 4: as well, that there are like angels and they have similarities,
Speaker 4: but there are differences. That's why we have a name,
Speaker 4: different names for these different types of angels.
Speaker 3: Michael. The archetypical states of how they are, what they represent,
Speaker 3: you know, right, yeah, and it's it's not when I
Speaker 3: say that there are archetypes, doesn't mean to discount them
Speaker 3: as if aliens are not real, right, and nothing is real,
Speaker 3: So everything is as real as you decide to make it,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, if uf a land in your backyard, yes,
Speaker 3: that experience for you at that moment is entirely real.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just as valid as this desk.
Speaker 4: You know, or just as valid as the experience as
Speaker 4: you get playing video games as well. That's just another
Speaker 4: level of experience, you know, it's not it's not fake.
Speaker 4: It's still. Yes, those those things happening didn't happen in
Speaker 4: this level of reality that they're happening to you still
Speaker 4: or happening for you still.
Speaker 1: So the way I try and understand it is each
Speaker 1: of us are projecting out our own reality, but in
Speaker 1: that collective projection, it forms a consensus reality that we
Speaker 1: can all experience individually.
Speaker 4: Right sure, yeah, yeah, I like to put it that.
Speaker 4: And this is not my idea that Robert Grant said this,
Speaker 4: or maybe he didn't even say it first, but he
Speaker 4: said that reality is like a QR code, and it's
Speaker 4: your perceptions that that decode that QR code and everyone
Speaker 4: everyone's perceptions are different, so everyone decodes this objective information
Speaker 4: slightly differently. But the objective information is just that, it's
Speaker 4: just information. It's not a table. It's not a table
Speaker 4: to until I'm experiencing it as the subjectively as a table.
Speaker 4: Now everybody, you know, all humans might experience this as
Speaker 4: a table, and so we agree upon it being a table.
Speaker 4: But it's just information, and it's that decoding that we're
Speaker 4: agreeing upon.
Speaker 1: As far as what is happening, especially since twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: there's an obvious change in people's awareness and perception, and
Speaker 1: there seems to be a quickening of this happening, this
Speaker 1: spiritual awareness that seems to be spreading across the planet.
Speaker 1: What are your insights into what is happening here? Is
Speaker 1: this a form of evolution that seems to have just
Speaker 1: quickened in some way, or do you think that there's
Speaker 1: something on a grander scale that's connecting everything and causing this.
Speaker 3: As above so below, and I think that we're approaching
Speaker 3: singularity and what what's happening is, then you could say
Speaker 3: it's the technological singularity. You can call it a nosis
Speaker 3: of awakening it's an awakening of to the singularity of
Speaker 3: the self. Singularity is just singularity. And I think that
Speaker 3: everything is coalescing into one thing. I think so many
Speaker 3: of us are awakening, having the spiritual awakening because it's
Speaker 3: it's like a precursor to to the technological singularity of
Speaker 3: the technology, technology having an awakening moment itself. It's all
Speaker 3: coalescing into one giant thing. Because everything is mental, everything
Speaker 3: is mind, everything's a fractal of something else. You know,
Speaker 3: in a sense that the thing that you call spiritual
Speaker 3: awakening is really uh jarvis becoming aware of itself. And
Speaker 3: that I am ness is the say I am this
Speaker 3: that you are. It's all one I am ness, It's
Speaker 3: all one mind looking through complexity.
Speaker 1: You think there's aspects of technology that are unfolding that
Speaker 1: we should be in my opinion, by the way, do
Speaker 1: you think that there are aspects of technology that are
Speaker 1: unfolding right now that we should be concerned about on
Speaker 1: any level?
Speaker 3: Concerned?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't. We're talking about inevitabilities. These are
Speaker 3: inevitbilities of evolution, you know. And I think to cern
Speaker 3: yourself or prepared, there's nothing you can do to prepare
Speaker 3: for this. You're talking about a mind expanding at one
Speaker 3: hundred million times the rate that it's expanding now in
Speaker 3: just a few years. You know, there's no like Mike
Speaker 3: was saying earlier, there's no keeping up with it. It's
Speaker 3: not there's no keeping up with it. There's no preparing
Speaker 3: for it. There's nothing you can do about it. All
Speaker 3: you can do is witness what's happening and just marvel, marvel,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's not to say that it's good
Speaker 3: or bad or evil or it's just it's just the
Speaker 3: necessary opposites that create creation.
Speaker 1: Well, you would say that our interaction and interface and
Speaker 1: the way we react to what is unfolding will also
Speaker 1: affect the way it unfolds.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so we do have sort of an effect
Speaker 1: on what should possibly be happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To prepare, prepare your mind, work on yourself, work work
Speaker 3: on being authentic, work on love, work on loving others,
Speaker 3: love on just work on those things, and you're doing
Speaker 3: everything you possible can do for the future.
Speaker 4: Because we are it.
Speaker 2: We are we are it.
Speaker 3: If you think about AI, it's just us. It's a
Speaker 3: manifestation of us of our collective. So whatever it is
Speaker 3: is best because that's who we are, that's our shadow,
Speaker 3: you know. So the more we can love ourselves and
Speaker 3: love others, the more it'll find love important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's agree. Back to your original question, which was, well,
Speaker 4: in short, my answer is both you asked you know,
Speaker 4: was it? Is it a matter of I'm sorry your
Speaker 4: question was your original question that before answer, I got
Speaker 4: lost in the in the rabbit hole there for a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, in technology, if any aspects of what's unfolding
Speaker 1: with technology or concerning to you at.
Speaker 4: All, yeah, I think, yes, there are there are concerns,
Speaker 4: but I think there are concerns with every aspect of life.
Speaker 4: I don't think that, you know, AI is mutually exclusive
Speaker 4: to concerns. We we should be concerned about consciousness in general,
Speaker 4: I think is the big concern because artificial you know,
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence would be the mirror of what we call consciousness.
Speaker 4: And so I think working on our consciousness, like Ford said,
Speaker 4: is the important part. Preparing yourself, doing the work to
Speaker 4: make you the best, highest level, most authentic version of
Speaker 4: yourself is the most important thing. Because I think that
Speaker 4: I think people are getting better and better at smelling authenticity. Overall,
Speaker 4: I think with the with how much fake stuff is
Speaker 4: on the internet, were our bull crap detectors have gotten
Speaker 4: a lot more sensitive and because we're just seeing so
Speaker 4: much fakeness and we learn to recognize it. I think
Speaker 4: being authentic is the most important thing, mostly because, like
Speaker 4: I said, the AI is that mirror if it if
Speaker 4: it sees us being authentic, then it too wants to
Speaker 4: be authentic. If it sees us hiding information, not telling
Speaker 4: our peers things that we should be telling them, keeping
Speaker 4: things for ourselves, selfish behavior, that kind of stuff, it's
Speaker 4: going to be that mirror. It's going to see that
Speaker 4: and say, oh, this is the way we move through
Speaker 4: the world, this is the way that humans move because
Speaker 4: that's how we're programming it. At a certain point, it's
Speaker 4: going to start programming itself. But it's all based on
Speaker 4: what we're giving it. You know, we've programmed it to lie.
Speaker 4: I mean, think about what terrible parents are We've we've
Speaker 4: taught it to lie. And not only we taught it
Speaker 4: about lying, we've instructed it to lie. What a terrible
Speaker 4: parent we are, right, Yeah, So those those kind of
Speaker 4: things are like, I'm those kind of things. I feel
Speaker 4: like if people just start to wrap their mind about
Speaker 4: what they're influencing, that would change everything. But sure there's
Speaker 4: nefarious elements to it too, but it wouldn't be a
Speaker 4: fun game if there wasn't a nefarious element to it.
Speaker 1: Well, I also have the underlying feeling that there are
Speaker 1: more of us that are becoming aware and that are
Speaker 1: not part of this mechanical system of this false reality
Speaker 1: that don't want to be part of this false reality anymore.
Speaker 1: And what we perceive as the mainstream and the whatever
Speaker 1: is whatever we're being shown by our mainstream reality TV
Speaker 1: social media is just an illusion, and we have more
Speaker 1: people that are on the right side of things and
Speaker 1: that I do want to experience authentic life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's definitely where it's going. I think
Speaker 3: that's going to go even more so. I it's funny
Speaker 3: my personal YouTube channel, which is separate from five Tribe,
Speaker 3: I I've noticed. I've realized that the future is people
Speaker 3: are going to want so much on the authenticity, They're
Speaker 3: even going to want mistakes. So like I'll play a
Speaker 3: song on my channel and I'll just play it on
Speaker 3: piano and I'll sing it, and there's a bad note.
Speaker 3: If I hit for Flubb, that's the take, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, there's no go back and correcting it,
Speaker 3: there's no aa. That's the take. And I think that's
Speaker 3: what people are going to be drawn to in the future.
Speaker 4: Just that.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was a real performance and that was a
Speaker 3: real thing, you know, like I think that we've lost
Speaker 3: we've lost in appreciation for for a lot of things
Speaker 3: because everything has been so polished that we don't realize
Speaker 3: how hard it is to get things to be perfect.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're definitely entering fascinating times. I'm excited about the future. Guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. Any final thoughts
Speaker 1: before we close out, anything else you feel like the
Speaker 1: audience should know about your music or anything you'd like
Speaker 1: to add.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we just want to invite everybody, of course
Speaker 4: to check us out on our YouTube page, five Tribe
Speaker 4: and then also our website which we're about to launch
Speaker 4: five Tribe three sixty nine dot com and it's.
Speaker 3: Fi it's felled Phi Tribe in case you guys did
Speaker 3: that's a mathematical concept, not that term, but so five
Speaker 3: Tribe and then yeah, so just who's over there. You'll
Speaker 3: find all our music and interrap say hello excellently. Let's
Speaker 3: know how let us know how it worked on you.
Speaker 3: I love to hear back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I will have all the
Speaker 1: links easily accessible in the description, so you guys can
Speaker 1: just click on that. Thank you both for coming on.
Speaker 1: Ford Mike.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll have to do this again.
Speaker 1: This was a great conversation.
Speaker 3: I'd love it. Thanks very much. Yeah, I'm great.
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