Speaker 1: One thing about this gene is the invisible and tangibles
Speaker 1: that they have.
Speaker 2: This team is really becoming a family.
Speaker 3: Let's not play one on Tom. Let's win this.
Speaker 4: I love writing me these guys after the show. So
Speaker 4: just thank you.
Speaker 5: Give me all your attention, your fire, and not a pisson.
Speaker 6: This is world champion, Dodger, world championing for a small
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Speaker 5: They get up people what they want to die to
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Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, it's not a headache.
Speaker 5: One of them. Come, this ball's gone. You ready to go?
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Speaker 6: And now your host of Dodger Talk, David.
Speaker 5: Vasse, our second Dodger Talk of the night. Welcome to
Speaker 5: postgame Dodger Talk. The Dodgers hold on for a seven
Speaker 5: to five win in thirteen innings at City Field over
Speaker 5: the Mets. Bad night in New York. The Yankees lost
Speaker 5: to the Rockies, the Knicks lost again to the Pacers,
Speaker 5: They're down two in the Eastern Finals, and the Mets
Speaker 5: losing thirteen innings to the Dodgers. Tonight, seven to five,
Speaker 5: So great, Sorry Gotham, bad night for you tonight, and
Speaker 5: a great night for the West Coast, the best coast,
Speaker 5: the Dodgers holding on for a seven to five win
Speaker 5: in thirteen innings. We have phone lines open at eight, six, six, nine,
Speaker 5: eighty seven, two, five seventy. We're with you until eleven
Speaker 5: thirty tonight on this beautiful Friday night in Los Angeles.
Speaker 5: And I know if the Dodgers would have lost this game,
Speaker 5: we would have a full border calls right now. But somehow,
Speaker 5: some way, the phone lines are wide open. We had
Speaker 5: a full border calls for an hour and thirty eight
Speaker 5: minutes this afternoon on raind Lay Dodger Talk and it
Speaker 5: was a great show. It was electric. We kept people accountable.
Speaker 5: We had a great pizza recommendation, and then we had
Speaker 5: another pizza expert call in and really give us some
Speaker 5: high end recommendation. So if you miss that show, you
Speaker 5: can find it on the iHeartRadio app. But usually when
Speaker 5: we do that long of a raind Lay Dodger Talk
Speaker 5: show and it's this late at night on the East Coast,
Speaker 5: we usually say, you know what, just go back to
Speaker 5: the iHeartRadio app and listen to the show there, But
Speaker 5: tonight had so many twists and turns and intriguing plays
Speaker 5: that I felt like we needed to talk about it
Speaker 5: after the game. And even Jose Mota feels that way.
Speaker 5: Jose Mota is going to join us at eleven fifteen,
Speaker 5: and before we get into the wackiness of the ninth
Speaker 5: inning and other things. You know, the Dodgers won this game,
Speaker 5: but it came at a price, a high price. And
Speaker 5: it wasn't just because Tenor Scott blew the save in
Speaker 5: the ninth inning. It was because of the rain. They
Speaker 5: knew rain was in the forecast. We have seen so
Speaker 5: many times when the Dodgers are on the East Coast
Speaker 5: where Major League Baseball and the teams agree, you know what,
Speaker 5: instead of burning your starting pitchers, both Mets and Dodgers,
Speaker 5: both Dodgers and any other team fill in the blank.
Speaker 5: As recently as the last road trip in Atlanta, where
Speaker 5: we waited three hours before our first pitch was thrown,
Speaker 5: we could have done the same thing tonight. Rain had
Speaker 5: been talked about. Going back to last week, the sports
Speaker 5: Net LA crew is debating do we go straight to Cleveland,
Speaker 5: do we go to New York? There might be a
Speaker 5: doubleheader because of rain on Friday. Well here it was
Speaker 5: rain on Friday and they said, go ahead, start the game.
Speaker 5: Well they started the game in the third inning. The
Speaker 5: Skies opened up for an hour and thirty eight minutes,
Speaker 5: which burned both Clayton Kershaw and Griffin Canning. The Mets
Speaker 5: bullpen has not been as taxed as the Dodgers. We
Speaker 5: all know that, so this was more costly to the
Speaker 5: Dodgers that they had to cover at the time at
Speaker 5: the very least six innings. Little did we know they
Speaker 5: were going to have to cover ten innings for a
Speaker 5: thirteen inning game. And after Kershaw was stopped because of rain,
Speaker 5: Matt Sower came in to pitch three innings. He did well,
Speaker 5: gave up one and running three innings. Ben Caspirius has
Speaker 5: been a star since last World Series, and tonight no different.
Speaker 5: Three no hit innings for Caspirius with six strikeouts. He
Speaker 5: did his job. He got the ball to Tanner Scott
Speaker 5: with a three run lead, and Tanner Scott blew another save.
Speaker 5: Now I will say this the last game that Tanner
Speaker 5: Scott saved. I don't know what's going on, but I
Speaker 5: rarely see a reliever warm up with one of those
Speaker 5: sleeves on their pitching arm. He took it off when
Speaker 5: he came into the game, and I couldn't see him
Speaker 5: in the bullpen tonight. And also, Tanner Scott has now
Speaker 5: pitched in three games in the last four days. That's
Speaker 5: usually the limit, and we probably won't see him until
Speaker 5: Monday at the earliest in Cleveland. The reality is, and
Speaker 5: I go back to my conversation with Elvis Andrews in Texas.
Speaker 5: Elvis Andrews, as you know, one of the longtime great Rangers,
Speaker 5: a right handed hitter that faced Tanner Scott when he
Speaker 5: was just emerging coming up with the Orioles and dabbling
Speaker 5: with the Marlins. Elvis and Andrews faced him, and we
Speaker 5: were standing right there, right next to the on deck
Speaker 5: circle at Globelize Field as Tanner Scott was dealing to
Speaker 5: the Rangers and got the save that night, but certainly
Speaker 5: was bailed out by his defense. And Andrews even told
Speaker 5: me that fastball is not the same that slider doesn't
Speaker 5: have the same bite. That's not David Vasse talking. That's
Speaker 5: a former, really good Major leaguer that faced that guy.
Speaker 5: And you don't have to be a baseball expert, if
Speaker 5: you watched any of Tanner Scott last year, to realize
Speaker 5: this guy is not the same guy, and is he
Speaker 5: trying to pitch through something. Is it that dead arm
Speaker 5: period that pitchers go through in spring training and sometimes
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the regular season. Because he has
Speaker 5: not looked like the same guy. And if you watch
Speaker 5: the game tonight, the fastball, he had pretty good command
Speaker 5: of it. That's how he got two strikes on virtually
Speaker 5: every hitter he faced. But he couldn't put away McNeil.
Speaker 5: He couldn't put away Tyrone Taylor either. And you know,
Speaker 5: he was very lucky that Juan Soto is moping these days,
Speaker 5: because Juan Soto did not look like Juan Soto in
Speaker 5: that at that or in this game. Soto is over
Speaker 5: tonight with one walk. But nonetheless, that was the one
Speaker 5: out Tanner Scott got, ironically, was Juan Soto. Outside of that,
Speaker 5: he couldn't put hitters away with his slider. His slider
Speaker 5: did not seem good. You know, I mentioned this during
Speaker 5: the Dodger Clubhouse show, going back to my original partner
Speaker 5: on this show, Kevin Kennedy, Rick honeycutt Oral Herscheizer that
Speaker 5: no pitching. They'll describe a pitcher that's not finishing his pitches,
Speaker 5: his secondary pitches as casting, meaning they're just kind of
Speaker 5: flipping it out there. They're not really throwing it with conviction.
Speaker 5: They're not extending their arm. The way they described it
Speaker 5: is it's basically you casting a fishing pole doing it
Speaker 5: that way, and you can't live that way. And it
Speaker 5: felt like I heard their voices in my head as
Speaker 5: I was watching Tanner Scott throw his sliders tonight as
Speaker 5: casting those sliders? Was he holding something back? Third the
Speaker 5: game in four days? Is the arm barking because of that?
Speaker 5: But he's pitching through it because he understands the predicament
Speaker 5: of the Dodger bullpen. I think those are all valley questions.
Speaker 5: You can't just say this guy stinks. He doesn't stink.
Speaker 5: The Dodgers gave him a big contract, and when they did,
Speaker 5: everybody was so jealous and envious and resentful. They signed
Speaker 5: Tanner Scott last year, he was dominant, only had two
Speaker 5: blown saves this year already he has four eight sixty
Speaker 5: six nine eight seven two five seventy is the phone number.
Speaker 5: With all that being said, the Dodgers used eight different
Speaker 5: pitchers tonight to get this win, and we'll see what
Speaker 5: chairs they move on the deck tomorrow to bring in
Speaker 5: a fresh arm to that bullpen. Also, Dave Roberts already
Speaker 5: announced that the scheduled live batting practice throw Otani was
Speaker 5: going to have tomorrow has been pushed back to Sunday
Speaker 5: at the earliest because of how late it is. Right
Speaker 5: now now in New York, eight sixty six nine seven
Speaker 5: two five seventy is the phone number. Let's go out
Speaker 5: to Corey and Santa Clarita. You're on Dodger Talk with
Speaker 5: David vasse Hi.
Speaker 2: Corey, Hey, David, how you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great. I mean, whoever lost this game tonight
Speaker 5: was not gonna feel great. But I feel like if
Speaker 5: the Dodgers would have lost it, they would have felt
Speaker 5: worse after using as many pitchers as they did and
Speaker 5: Tanner Scott blowing the save in the ninth.
Speaker 2: So what I what I was wondering? I read I
Speaker 2: read an article that we always we as the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: always have great pitching and always have we can always
Speaker 2: turn around something we try to fake something. I heard
Speaker 2: that people around Tanner Scott or something. He used to
Speaker 2: nibble at the edges and now he's too much in
Speaker 2: to the strike zone and that might be his downfall.
Speaker 2: He was I think you were talking about it earlier.
Speaker 2: The command is not as good.
Speaker 5: With the slider, it wasn't as good. But I will
Speaker 5: say this, even though he hasn't been as dominant, he's
Speaker 5: not walking as many hitters as he was walking last
Speaker 5: year because he has twenty five strikeouts this year and
Speaker 5: only two walks. Last year he had eighty four strikeouts
Speaker 5: and thirty six walks, So his whip, his walks are
Speaker 5: lower than what they were a year ago. So maybe
Speaker 5: he's trying to figure out whatever the Dodgers have adjusted
Speaker 5: to and he's got to figure it out, you know,
Speaker 5: or go back to his old self because what he
Speaker 5: was doing was working. I like that he's not walking
Speaker 5: hitters despite what he did tonight. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: that's part of the equation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I do love that. And I know the
Speaker 2: Dodgers have a great feel for pictures and they try
Speaker 2: to tweak things here and there. And I read a
Speaker 2: fact that we had the same record two years ago
Speaker 2: through fifty games. Yeah, the first season does matter. It's
Speaker 2: just all.
Speaker 5: Differences, Corey. The differences this year. The Dodgers are redlining.
Speaker 5: They're pitching, and there's not a lot of reinforcements in
Speaker 5: the bullpen right now. It's not even about the starting staff,
Speaker 5: because they are gonna get glass Now back, They are
Speaker 5: going to get Blake Snell back. But are you certain
Speaker 5: they're going to get Evan Phillips back? Are you certain
Speaker 5: they're gonna get Blake Trenning back? And you know you
Speaker 5: can't make a trade between now and the trade deadline
Speaker 5: until probably forty eight hours for a difference maker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with with Trinan and Phillips, that form and that elbow.
Speaker 2: That scares me.
Speaker 5: But well, all of it scares me because right now
Speaker 5: they've thrown more innings than any other bullpen out there.
Speaker 5: Coming into the game tonight, they had thrown two hundred
Speaker 5: and fourteen innings. Add ten more to that. They're up
Speaker 5: to two twenty four now. So that's the concerning part.
Speaker 5: The Dodgers have mastered the regular season, but right now
Speaker 5: they're in a very dangerous fought with their pitching, and
Speaker 5: they're facing really good teams and they cannot afford to
Speaker 5: have what happened tonight happened too often. Thanks for the
Speaker 5: phone call Corey, appreciate it. Eight sixty six nine eighty
Speaker 5: seven two five seventy is the phone number. Another play
Speaker 5: that I wanted to bring up tonight that I thought
Speaker 5: was absolutely ridiculous and I think we all agree on
Speaker 5: this is Trip Gibson, the third base umpire tonight, calling
Speaker 5: obstruction on Max Munsey in the bottom of the fourth inning.
Speaker 5: And you know, the Apple broadcast had Brian Gorman, who
Speaker 5: was a former major league umpire in the zoom room
Speaker 5: to be kind of like what Mike Pereira is for
Speaker 5: Fox in the NFL, to explain the rules and the
Speaker 5: calling and interpretations and all that. It just seemed like
Speaker 5: Brian Gorman was trying to justify Trip Gibson's horrible call
Speaker 5: because what he said, yes, was the rule, but that's
Speaker 5: not what took place. Trip Gibson was not trailing Starling Marte.
Speaker 5: Marte had more than enough daylight to see taoscar Hernandez
Speaker 5: make that catch. That was an overzealous umpire inserting himself
Speaker 5: where he did not need to insert himself. Eight sixty
Speaker 5: six nine eight seven two five seventy is the phone number.
Speaker 5: Let's go out to Sarquise since Santa Clarita, you're on
Speaker 5: Dodger Talk with David vasse Hi Sarquise.
Speaker 7: Hey, how you doing, Dave. Yeah, you just kind of
Speaker 7: took everything I was gonna say. That call was so bad.
Speaker 7: I'm just hoping going forward, these umpires don't kind of
Speaker 7: copycat and do what the third base umpire did tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't even know why. That was in the back
Speaker 5: of his mind. And by the way, when Andy Pa
Speaker 5: has hit his sacrifice fly to score ti Oscar Hernandez
Speaker 5: in the thirteenth Dino Ebol was making a point to
Speaker 5: Trip Gibson and saying, hey, if you're gonna call obstruction
Speaker 5: on Muncie, this guy's standing in the same spot. And
Speaker 5: so Dina I wasn't letting it go even in the
Speaker 5: thirteenth inning tonight. I love that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw that, and I agree with you, and
Speaker 7: I just hope this doesn't become a normal thing where umpires,
Speaker 7: you know, take it upon themselves to, you know, get
Speaker 7: these rules out of their hat. It's a rule, I
Speaker 7: get it, but it happens all the time. If you're
Speaker 7: didn't call this, then you know.
Speaker 5: It doesn't I disagree with you. It doesn't happen all
Speaker 5: the time. It doesn't happen all the time, and it
Speaker 5: didn't happen that time either. I mean, Munsey was just
Speaker 5: kind of there, he was close to the bag. He
Speaker 5: wasn't even on the bag. That was I don't know
Speaker 5: why Trip Gibson decided to make that call, But it
Speaker 5: doesn't happen all the time. It just doesn't. And he
Speaker 5: was maybe Trip Gibson was out of position. How about that.
Speaker 5: Just because he couldn't see Taoscar make the catch doesn't
Speaker 5: mean Mark te couldn't see ti Oscar make the catch.
Speaker 7: And my second point, Dave, is this, Juan Soto is
Speaker 7: going to go down as the worst free agent signing
Speaker 7: in the history of baseball for two reasons. Number one,
Speaker 7: the size of the contract, obviously the biggest contracts in history.
Speaker 7: And number two, his attitude. Terrible attitude, terrible teammate. I
Speaker 7: think the Mets got what they deserve. That's all I got.
Speaker 5: Thank you, all right, Sarkiz, thank you for the phone call. Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know about the attitude or you know. The
Speaker 5: one thing about Juan Soto is he loved being a Yankee,
Speaker 5: it seems like by all reports, and right now he's
Speaker 5: not playing with a lot of joy, and certain players
Speaker 5: need to play with joy. And Juan Soto, you know,
Speaker 5: number one, he's not a good outfielder, I don't care
Speaker 5: what anybody will tell you, and he's not going to
Speaker 5: get better. So eventually you're going to have a guy
Speaker 5: that doesn't generate the revenue that Otani generates, and he's
Speaker 5: only going to be a dh Part of the reason
Speaker 5: that Otani is who Otani is is not only is
Speaker 5: he a great baseball player, but he's an attraction. Wan
Speaker 5: Soto is not an attraction. I'm sorry. This was just
Speaker 5: an ego buy by Steve Cohen to say, you know what,
Speaker 5: I want to take this guy away from the Yankees.
Speaker 5: And Jorge Castillo, who covers the Yankees and Mets for ESPN,
Speaker 5: joined us on the Off Days Show yesterday and basically
Speaker 5: said Juan Soto wanted to go back to the Yankees
Speaker 5: for seven hundred plus million dollars, but his family pushed
Speaker 5: him to sign with the Mets and take a larger contract,
Speaker 5: even though he preferred to stay in pinstripes. So obviously
Speaker 5: there's some disconnect there and we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 5: But we don't want to see Jan Soto take off
Speaker 5: until he leaves LA next week, because he certainly doesn't
Speaker 5: look like the player we saw in twenty nineteen with
Speaker 5: the Nationals. He certainly doesn't look like the player that
Speaker 5: we saw with the Yankees. We kind of saw lapses
Speaker 5: like this with the Padres. He didn't seem like he
Speaker 5: was fitting in really well there. So we've seen this
Speaker 5: version of Juan Soto and it doesn't usually go well.
Speaker 5: Eight six six nine eighty seven two five seventy is
Speaker 5: the phone number Dodgers hold on for a seven to
Speaker 5: five win in thirteen innings tonight at City Field over
Speaker 5: the Mets. And by the way, I know the Dodgers
Speaker 5: we're talking to Boris and Soto about being involved in
Speaker 5: signing for him. Uh, if they signed Juan Soto, does
Speaker 5: that mean they don't sign Tioscar Hernandez. Because if I'm
Speaker 5: in that room and they're asking me, who would you
Speaker 5: rather have Juan Soto or Tioscar Hernandez on my team
Speaker 5: in a team sport, not just home run derby or
Speaker 5: in a vacuum, I would take eight nine ti Oscar
Speaker 5: Hernandez is over eight or nine Jan Sotos eight six
Speaker 5: six ninety eighty seven two five seventy is the phone number.
Speaker 5: Let's go out to Bob and Malibu. Hi, Bob, you're
Speaker 5: on Dodger Talk.
Speaker 8: Uncle Dave.
Speaker 3: Always good to be with you, Man.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Bob. What do you got well?
Speaker 3: First of all, big thanks to you, Colin and Dwayne
Speaker 3: for sticking out a long day.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you guys doing that for all and
Speaker 3: calling fans and Colin he of course. Man absolutely had
Speaker 3: a chance to hear from Eric Carros a while back,
Speaker 3: and he talked about baseball and he talked about the
Speaker 3: grind and what you guys are doing is part of
Speaker 3: the grind that comes with this sport that players go through,
Speaker 3: coaching staff, everybody. So thanks, Man, appreciate you guys doing
Speaker 3: what you do.
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you, Bob. What'd you think about the game tonight?
Speaker 3: It was a wild game, man. You know, I couldn't
Speaker 3: agree with you more. There was a lot of twists
Speaker 3: and turns to this game. I don't think it was
Speaker 3: a textbook game by any any means whatsoever. I think
Speaker 3: my biggest question for you is, and you've been talking
Speaker 3: it up, it's been a wild week of calls for
Speaker 3: you too, man, Like you said, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: all this love for Taylor and Barnes that hasn't been
Speaker 3: there in years popped out of the woodwork. And then
Speaker 3: you've even got a guy arguing pizza with you earlier, man.
Speaker 3: So it's been a while to be on the callboard
Speaker 3: for you too, man. But my question is, you know
Speaker 3: where does the pitching go from from here? Like, what
Speaker 3: do we do with the bullpen tomorrow? Does your man
Speaker 3: also get a call in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: What happens now?
Speaker 4: Dave?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Frosso main, I don't know the last time Frosso pitched.
Speaker 5: I gotta look that up. Is it justin Roblesky? I
Speaker 5: gotta look when the last time he pitched. Because they're
Speaker 5: gonna need an arm. Maybe they don't need to use
Speaker 5: it tomorrow, but they may need to use it on Sunday.
Speaker 5: So yeah, they need an arm. They need an arm,
Speaker 5: and they need more importantly, Bob, Tony Gonsolin to be
Speaker 5: Tony Gonsolin that we have grown to know and go
Speaker 5: at least six innings tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Agree. Agree, He's got to show up. He's got to
Speaker 3: give us some depth, he's got to get some run
Speaker 3: support put in his mind at ease a little bit
Speaker 3: so he can go a little deeper into the game,
Speaker 3: you know, just to get a little bit of linked
Speaker 3: out of some starting pitching, which we desperately need. I
Speaker 3: agree with you, Ben, but it's interesting to me to
Speaker 3: see how they're gonna play it. Like you said, who
Speaker 3: are they going to move up the ladder? The Dodgers
Speaker 3: are really good at making those moves. Thank goodness, who
Speaker 3: got some guys who are happy to come up on
Speaker 3: moments notice and really get in the game and be competitive. Man,
Speaker 3: kudos to Ben Casparius once again. The guy has proven
Speaker 3: to be something of a standout this year.
Speaker 5: Man, no doubt, he broke up, he broke out last
Speaker 5: year in Game four of the World Series. He came
Speaker 5: to spring training just as good as he was, if
Speaker 5: not better than last year. And like he has told
Speaker 5: me on many occasions, he just doesn't want to go
Speaker 5: back to Oklahoma City. He doesn't care if he starts,
Speaker 5: he doesn't care if he closes, he doesn't care if
Speaker 5: he comes in after an hour and thirty eight minute
Speaker 5: rain delay. He just wants to be up here. And
Speaker 5: you could tell he has that passion and toughness that
Speaker 5: it takes to be in that role. Eight six six
Speaker 5: ninety seven two five seventy is the phone number. Let's
Speaker 5: take another phone call before we check in with Jose Mota.
Speaker 5: Let's go out to Irvine. Brandon, You're on Dodger Talk.
Speaker 5: Hi Brandon, Hello.
Speaker 4: David, Big Panny, yours first time calling that you do
Speaker 4: a great show. I think thank you brand Over talking
Speaker 4: about you're welcome. Talking about Soto Hernandez, you're right dead on,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, much better player all the way around,
Speaker 4: and he's paid a fraction of what Soto makes. But
Speaker 4: my main reason for calling is this pitching is you've
Speaker 4: been talking about is really scary to me as a
Speaker 4: lifelong fan. We had like ten pitchers on the d
Speaker 4: l or ten guys that we know their names, Emmitt
Speaker 4: she and I can't even think of the other guy
Speaker 4: last year that's been out for like a year. He
Speaker 4: did really good for us until he blew his arm out.
Speaker 5: That was Gavin Stone. He made more starts for the
Speaker 5: Dodgers last year than any other pitcher. He made thirty
Speaker 5: starts for the Dodgers last year, and he blew out
Speaker 5: his shoulder. That's the difference between this year. Hold up,
Speaker 5: that's the difference between last year and this year. You
Speaker 5: had river Ryans, you had Gavin Stones, you had guys
Speaker 5: like that you could tap into, and this year you
Speaker 5: just don't have that. I mean, the Dodgers really needed
Speaker 5: Bobby Miller to make to make the next step, and
Speaker 5: he hasn't taken that next step, at least right now.
Speaker 5: That's that's a part of this season that a lot
Speaker 5: of people don't realize. The Dodgers were kind of counting
Speaker 5: on for Bobby Miller to take that next step and
Speaker 5: he hasn't.
Speaker 4: You took the name out of my brain, which is
Speaker 4: Rever Ryan. What's up with him? Is he coming back
Speaker 4: anytime this year? Any word on him?
Speaker 5: No? No, He had Tommy John surgery. He blew out
Speaker 5: towards the end of last year, so that's a fourteen
Speaker 5: month process, so you're not going to see him until
Speaker 5: next year.
Speaker 4: And what about him?
Speaker 5: Emit Shean had Tommy John surgery early last year in
Speaker 5: spring training or just a month into the season, so
Speaker 5: he's facing hitters. He's about to go out on rehab
Speaker 5: assignments if he already hasn't, and the Dodgers expect him
Speaker 5: to be back in the second half of the season. Okay, that,
Speaker 5: but all that doesn't help them right now. They need
Speaker 5: help right now. They don't need help in June or July.
Speaker 5: They need help right now. That's the concerning part.
Speaker 4: You're right about that. Well, I think if we can
Speaker 4: go on, like you said, we're probably not going to
Speaker 4: make any big moves until the trade deadline or closer
Speaker 4: to it. But my thing is, if we could start
Speaker 4: having those conversations, I think we're gonna need a couple
Speaker 4: of people, especially with Evan Phillips being a question mark
Speaker 4: and trying and being a question mark. We can't get
Speaker 4: to the end of the season and have you know,
Speaker 4: bullpen sessions in playoff games a week.
Speaker 2: We got away with.
Speaker 4: It last year, but I don't think we should keep
Speaker 4: rolling those dice. But I just want to thank you
Speaker 4: for letting me speak my mind, David, and uh and
Speaker 4: I want to hear what you have to say about
Speaker 4: what I just said.
Speaker 5: All right, I think we had the conversation. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Brandon eight sixty six nine eighty seven two five seventy
Speaker 5: is the phone number. We're gonna take a time out
Speaker 5: here on Dodger Talk when we come back. More of
Speaker 5: your phone calls. Also, we're gonna check in with Jose Mota,
Speaker 5: who's doing double duty as well. He called in during
Speaker 5: the rain delays show. He's gonna check in next get
Speaker 5: his thoughts on some of the calls in this game
Speaker 5: and just how the Dodgers navigate moving forward. The Dodgers
Speaker 5: hold on for a seven to five win in thirteen
Speaker 5: innings on AM five to seventy LA Sports.
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Speaker 5: This is Dodger Talk with David Bassing. The pitch, the.
Speaker 6: Oscar rips it bear down the line into the left
Speaker 6: field corner. Here comes Will Smith. Finally somebody breaks through
Speaker 6: and they wear Dodger Blue.
Speaker 5: Ta Oscar Hernandez for the second straight game, coming up
Speaker 5: with the biggest hit of the night. Remember at Dodger
Speaker 5: Stadium two nights ago, a go ahead three run home
Speaker 5: run Tonight, ta Oskar her and As to the rescue
Speaker 5: in the thirteenth inning with a basit to drive in
Speaker 5: Will Smith from second base. The Dodgers would tack on
Speaker 5: another run and beat the Mets in thirteen Tonight seven
Speaker 5: to five Dodger Talk postgame edition after a rain delay
Speaker 5: edition earlier this afternoon. We're going to the bottom of
Speaker 5: the hour. We have three lines open. We'll get back
Speaker 5: to your phone calls in just a moment, but first.
Speaker 6: It's time to go around the horn with Jose Mota.
Speaker 5: All right, Jose Mota, we talked about it during the
Speaker 5: rain delay. The Dodgers had to cover more innings than
Speaker 5: we anticipated. How do they navigate the next couple of
Speaker 5: games in New York and even the rest of this
Speaker 5: road trip considering the bullpen again had to cover ten
Speaker 5: innings tonight.
Speaker 8: Well, David standard answers. They got through tonight, so let's
Speaker 8: see what happens from here on. Hopefully there's some reinforcement
Speaker 8: coming up soon. But man, you gotta plow the job
Speaker 8: by Soured going out there is doing their job intervening.
Speaker 8: I mean, Torito came in a hard spot and got
Speaker 8: through that middle of the order. But Dave, let's wait
Speaker 8: till tomorrow, see what kind of moves are made and
Speaker 8: see what was available and go from there. Attorney, they
Speaker 8: did a good job holding back to top to the
Speaker 8: middle of the order of the Mets tonight, and we're
Speaker 8: at team to play so well at home.
Speaker 5: Jose, Obviously you've been around baseball your whole life. You've
Speaker 5: heard the term casting pitches. Am I seeing? Am I
Speaker 5: describing what I'm seeing? Do you feel like Tanner Scott
Speaker 5: is not extending his pitches, not pitching with conviction? Do
Speaker 5: you feel like he's casting his pitches? Is that part
Speaker 5: of the reason why he has blown four saves this year?
Speaker 8: That's part of the reason why. Yes, the names you mentioned,
Speaker 8: I mean Rick Huneycutt Oral, but I'm going to go
Speaker 8: back to something that Clayton Kershaw told me back in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two when he says, I need to rip
Speaker 8: the slider. I need to really rip it. Something he
Speaker 8: learned from somebody else, Jake Arietta, And that is what
Speaker 8: we're not seeing Tanner Scott doing it consistent basis. There's
Speaker 8: some very good sliders that he throws. But I think
Speaker 8: overall day, I'll tell you one thing, and watching his
Speaker 8: his heat map and the strike zone and the quadrants.
Speaker 8: If he's an even lesser velocity, say ninety five ninety six,
Speaker 8: or he can go ninety seven ninety eight, but it
Speaker 8: seems like if he's around the knees. That slider could
Speaker 8: be a little mediocre and steal cut people out anytime
Speaker 8: he elevates. That's why lefties are getting him because when
Speaker 8: he elevates is a straight fastball, and then the slider
Speaker 8: doesn't have that bite. I mean, there's no reason to
Speaker 8: see a guy with that kind of arm who dominated
Speaker 8: i mean totally embarras lefties last year to allow her
Speaker 8: to average over three forty against lefties this season. And
Speaker 8: it has to be a lot with the height and
Speaker 8: when he's pitching, maybe he's overthrowing him. There's something that
Speaker 8: we don't know about, but certainly that ripping effect that
Speaker 8: Kersher has talked to me about is not there on
Speaker 8: a consistent basis, and teams know that if we see that,
Speaker 8: Believe me, teams pay attention to that. And when they
Speaker 8: see pitches above the zone, which is also an indicator
Speaker 8: from a lot of hitting coaches to say he comes
Speaker 8: up around the zone. In fact, watch your warm up
Speaker 8: and see what he does in warm ups, and that'll
Speaker 8: tell you a lot of what's happening with him. If
Speaker 8: he's finishing off nicely and down on the zone is
Speaker 8: very unhittable because everything looks pretty much the same when
Speaker 8: he's up on the zone, it just doesn't look the same.
Speaker 5: Well have you noticed as well the walks are down,
Speaker 5: and the caller was very observing, is what is the
Speaker 5: connection between how the Dodgers got him to be more
Speaker 5: in the strike zone and the fastball velocity being a
Speaker 5: tick down on average from last year.
Speaker 8: A lot of times is adapting to a philosophy and
Speaker 8: something that's been implemented here with the Dodgers. And if
Speaker 8: it's that feel zone little bit more with your stuff,
Speaker 8: that takes a little bit of time. If he came
Speaker 8: from the school of the Marlins and before that the
Speaker 8: Oils and went to the Potters last year. But if
Speaker 8: his em all has been pitched around the edges, go
Speaker 8: to the edges and spread the zone, that leads to
Speaker 8: success and at the same time, it leads to more walks.
Speaker 8: So if it leads to more walks, and even though
Speaker 8: you allow lessons and you pitch and he's pitched, it's
Speaker 8: still gonna be pitching with a lot of traffic. And
Speaker 8: that's something you do not want to see your closer
Speaker 8: do now as a full time closer for this team,
Speaker 8: and the high leverage games is going to be playing
Speaker 8: against in this division. I will prefer to see him
Speaker 8: more strikes than being around the edges, because you do
Speaker 8: that against some of these lineups and before you know it,
Speaker 8: one ball, one pitch up of the zone, a wild pitch,
Speaker 8: one play that may's going to cost you more. So
Speaker 8: that's where I can go today, just thinking about perhaps
Speaker 8: something that's been implemented against philosophy that he's not. He
Speaker 8: is getting used to, but for sure, to me, it's
Speaker 8: going to be about pitching down in the zone more
Speaker 8: often than pitching upstairs, so when he pitches up fairs,
Speaker 8: it's more effective.
Speaker 5: Jose Mota is joining us after the Dodgers beat the
Speaker 5: Mets in thirteen innings tonight, seven to five. All right, Hose,
Speaker 5: let's go back to the play that everybody's talking about,
Speaker 5: and not in a good way. For third base umpire
Speaker 5: Trip Gibson, what did you make about that obstruction call.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say that cost the Dodgers winning
Speaker 5: this game in nine innings, but certainly a run's a
Speaker 5: run and that run should not have scored.
Speaker 2: It's going to.
Speaker 8: Observe that because it's a play that doesn't happen very
Speaker 8: often and at times as a defender, you are taught
Speaker 8: in DMFL. Hey, you know what, if you can just
Speaker 8: get around the area to not allow they got to
Speaker 8: get a great look and maybe jump the call and
Speaker 8: jump the play. So go ahead and do it. But
Speaker 8: what I saw was a lot of daylight. I mean,
Speaker 8: you and I were talking during the game, and I
Speaker 8: did not. The biggest indicator is if you see the
Speaker 8: runner either leaning back or leaning forward too much, that's
Speaker 8: your indication as an umpire, you know what, he can't
Speaker 8: see the play. But that was not the case at all.
Speaker 8: Starting Mark is standing on the bad He is totally
Speaker 8: just you know, straight and narrow, just watching for task,
Speaker 8: and so he had enough to see it. Now, the
Speaker 8: interpretation he gave was because a play was so close
Speaker 8: to the play, you can go ahead and implement that play.
Speaker 8: But at the same time, that's why later in the
Speaker 8: game he does not make a call like that, even
Speaker 8: though you know Eagles pointing at it and Max months
Speaker 8: he's pointing at it because there's no play of the plate.
Speaker 8: But it's one where I think he missed it that
Speaker 8: there's no doubt about it. If there's enough day that
Speaker 8: you can also make an adjustment. As a base runner
Speaker 8: to make sure that he scored that run too.
Speaker 5: What did you make of Dino hammering home that point
Speaker 5: when tai Oscar Hernandez tagged up and scored in the
Speaker 5: thirteenth inning on the PA Haz fly ball, Dino was
Speaker 5: in Trip Gibson's ear all the way while they were
Speaker 5: reviewing Hayes Sun Kim being being safer out. I mean,
Speaker 5: you we saw it on the broadcast that Dino was
Speaker 5: obviously in Trick Gibson's ear, probably still talking about that call.
Speaker 8: And probably trying to get an explanation why that one
Speaker 8: was different. And as I mentioned before, because there's no
Speaker 8: play at the plate to go out there and say
Speaker 8: that was a major fact in that play scoring when
Speaker 8: I was going in a close play. But I think overall,
Speaker 8: Dino is soul. Where we're talking about base running during
Speaker 8: our rendela and here it is again coming up, you
Speaker 8: have to just put it in the part and explanation.
Speaker 8: Next months, he got next flash and himself in the
Speaker 8: dugout from Trip Gibson. So those are pleasure because they
Speaker 8: don't happen very often. You want to have a clear
Speaker 8: interpretation as to what he saw what you can prevent,
Speaker 8: but certainly know that you did nothing around the fielder,
Speaker 8: and as a base coach, also for you for your
Speaker 8: base runners to be aware if that happens, what to
Speaker 8: look for, what to call for from when I'm part
Speaker 8: of going.
Speaker 5: Forward, all right, Jose, thanks for staying up late with us.
Speaker 5: Thanks for doing double duty tonight, and we'll talk to
Speaker 5: you tomorrow after game two of this series.
Speaker 8: It's a pleasure. I hope you'll get some pizza somewhere
Speaker 8: because we were talking about pizza before the game.
Speaker 5: Show.
Speaker 8: Go on and get some pizza.
Speaker 5: You deserve some late night pizza now, right, Jose, After
Speaker 5: that game you just oh why not?
Speaker 4: It was a win.
Speaker 5: We celebrate, all right, Hose, you too. We'll talk to
Speaker 5: you tomorrow. Thanks. Jose Mota part of the Dodgers Spanish
Speaker 5: radio broadcast and certainly knows the game really well and
Speaker 5: love tapping into Jose after every game here on Dodger Talk.
Speaker 5: Eight six six seven two seventy is the phone number.
Speaker 5: Let's take a couple of more calls before we say goodnight.
Speaker 5: Gotta go to Marco who's listening in Alberta, Canada. Marco,
Speaker 5: how you doing. You're on Dodger Talk. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: Oh, David vessaid, no way you're gonna I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to follow Mota. I can't give you any more input
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 5: Oh, come on, You're a Canadian, you could do it.
Speaker 1: Listen. I've been a longtime fan of you and of
Speaker 1: course the Dodgers. I wanted just to express that. Man,
Speaker 1: you've always been good with keeping that balance between being
Speaker 1: objective and also being a Dodger fan. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: And you know who taught me right growing up listening
Speaker 5: to Vin Scully. He never lets you know that he
Speaker 5: was cheering. That's just kind of the staple of what
Speaker 5: we grew up with in Los Angeles. When it comes
Speaker 5: to broadcasters, Vince Scully, Bob Miller, Chick Hern, we all
Speaker 5: knew they wanted their teams to win, but they never
Speaker 5: let it be overtally obvious on the broadcasts.
Speaker 1: Oh that makes that makes a lot of sense. Thank
Speaker 1: you for that. Again. Being up here in Canada, I
Speaker 1: get connected through iHeartRadio. I listened to or I listened
Speaker 1: to you, and uh, you know, I miss it, but
Speaker 1: I'm still with you. I'm concerned a bit about the injuries.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the bullpen but you know, at this point,
Speaker 1: I know that we're better than the boat the Blue Jays,
Speaker 1: which is the team up here that uh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know up here. Yeah, that's what I see up here.
Speaker 5: Anyways, a lot worse, right, you could be the Blue Jays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I just want to thank you, and I do.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to give you a top five
Speaker 1: just because I'm a I'm from the eighties and I
Speaker 1: just want you to give me, give you you to
Speaker 1: give me my thoughts. So Steve Sachs or Herscheizer, Mike Piazza,
Speaker 1: Kirshaw and I'll talk. He's got to be in there.
Speaker 1: I'm talking eighties and up Those are my top five,
Speaker 1: all right, Those are yours.
Speaker 5: Those are Alberta, Canada, and they all are really good players.
Speaker 5: But if you're gonna tell me they are the top
Speaker 5: five players since nineteen eighty to wear a Dodger uniform,
Speaker 5: I would disagree with a couple of those.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that would be okay. I will say
Speaker 1: Sacks only because I literally I was a second baseman
Speaker 1: and sax was he was it. I'm still number three now.
Speaker 1: Hershi so was the Bulldog. Piata was just during the
Speaker 1: during the A low time. I think he was a
Speaker 1: big piece of that team. Kershaw, you can't deny it.
Speaker 1: And Otani at this point, I mean, he's gonna be,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be.
Speaker 5: Hey, those are yours. I love hearing that, Marco, I
Speaker 5: love it. Those are yours, And that's really cool. Those
Speaker 5: are your top five favorite players, and there's been so
Speaker 5: many since nineteen eighty it would be tough to squeeze
Speaker 5: five guys in it, but those are yours. Maybe we'll
Speaker 5: do that one night. We'll ask everybody who their top
Speaker 5: five is eight sixty six, nine eighty seven, two five
Speaker 5: seventy is the phone number, not the top five greatest
Speaker 5: since nineteen eighty, but who your top five are since
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty. I think that's that's special to you because
Speaker 5: there has been so many great players that have put
Speaker 5: on the Dodger uniform, not only since you know, the
Speaker 5: Boys of Summer in Brooklyn or when they moved to
Speaker 5: LA but even just from nineteen eighty or just from
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety. I know the team's success wasn't there from
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety to about, you know, nineteen ninety seven, but
Speaker 5: there's been some good players and good teams between ninety
Speaker 5: and two thousand and thankfully, this is the golden Age
Speaker 5: of Dodger Baseball. And that says a lot considering how
Speaker 5: many good decades there's been, how many good players there
Speaker 5: been and teams. When history looks back at the La Dodgers,
Speaker 5: they're gonna look back at twenty thirteen, uh and on
Speaker 5: from when the Dodgers really dominated Major League Baseball and
Speaker 5: had the greatest success sustained success in the franchise's history.
Speaker 5: Gotta take one more phone call before we say goodnight.
Speaker 5: Long Beach has a special place in my heart. No,
Speaker 5: it's not Doug Crecorian. It's Emma. Emma walk us off tonight.
Speaker 8: In Long Beach.
Speaker 2: Hey, David, how you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Emma. What do you got for us?
Speaker 7: I have a question for you, sir.
Speaker 2: Now tell me. Is this the umpire from tonight, the
Speaker 2: catcher of the main Empire catcher Empire?
Speaker 8: Was he the same umpire that threw out Walker Buehler.
Speaker 2: The other day?
Speaker 5: No, that was Mike Esterbrook. That was not Trip Gibson. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so two umpires made news in a matter of four
Speaker 5: days in not a good way. So no, that was
Speaker 5: not the same umpire. Thanks for the phone call, Emma.
Speaker 5: That's a good way to end the show. And look,
Speaker 5: I will say this, I grew up listening to Chick
Speaker 5: Hern Vince Scully, and one of them used to say
Speaker 5: that if you know the umpire or referees name, and
Speaker 5: I believe it was Chick this is something Chick Hern
Speaker 5: would say if well, the fans know the referees name
Speaker 5: means that they're not doing a great job. The referees
Speaker 5: and umpires should be nameless. But when you start hearing
Speaker 5: their names like Joe West, Angel Hernandez, Trip Gibson, Mike Esterbrook,
Speaker 5: that means they're putting themselves too much in the spotlight
Speaker 5: instead of just calling the games. That'll do it for
Speaker 5: us tonight, Aunt Dodger talking by the way, I will
Speaker 5: say this, umpires have a thankless job. They all do
Speaker 5: a great job. They'd try to do their best. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that they are trying to steal the spotlight,
Speaker 5: but sometimes they're human and emotions get the best of
Speaker 5: them and so you can understand that. But I think
Speaker 5: every umpire referee in the NFL, NBA hockey got to
Speaker 5: realize that the fans are not there to see them
Speaker 5: they're there to see the players, and that falls in
Speaker 5: the category of Mike Esterbrook, who really had a short
Speaker 5: fuse throwing out Walker Buehler the other night in Boston. Tomorrow,
Speaker 5: Tony Gonsolin will be on the moundies two and zero
Speaker 5: with an ERA of four to zero five. The Dodgers
Speaker 5: need a big start from Gonsolin considering how many pitchers
Speaker 5: they use tonight. He's going up against David Peterson, who's
Speaker 5: two and two with an ERA of two to eighty six.
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Speaker 5: City Field, the Dodgers beat the Mets seven to five
Speaker 5: and thirteen innings. Fox Sports Radio is next. Have a
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