1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Ab repeat, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, unhappy holidays. We are 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,919 here for once again your annual Christmas retrospective. I am 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,039 the keyhole peeper Tress. Now I'm joined by. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,719 Speaker 2: I am Punish Garls, I am the Filthy Devil Dylan Muss, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,800 I'm the deaf Taylor Field, yes Ley's Joe. 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,039 Speaker 1: We are here because every year, what we do for 7 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:28,559 I guess we do it for multiple things, but the 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,000 two kind of I don't know standards, the two type 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,719 of ones that have I have to look when we 10 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:37,479 started this, but I just know the video game retro sorry, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,479 the video game movie retrospective, and then the Christmas retrospective. 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Oh and Halloween the right, those are the three. That's 13 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:44,840 the trinity of retrospectives that every year since I don't 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,560 know many past five six years may COVID. I feel 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,039 like COVID made is when we started doing that stuff 16 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:51,119 because we were doing lots of retros and that kind 17 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:53,119 of stuck. And what we do every year for those three, 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,960 like we're talking about with Christmas, we throw it to 19 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:56,840 the patrons. We throw it to all the patriots, the 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,600 thrown submissions, and then we leave it to the patreon 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,200 producer to do the actual voting. It was close between 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,280 this and the two thousand and one gringe, So maybe 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,760 that will make a return next year. But this year 24 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,799 we're not talking about a Jim Carry classic. We're not 25 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:12,640 talking about a movie that I think I can say 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,319 that none of us have seen before, which I think 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,879 is pretty rare on a retrospective. Awestly review movies all 28 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:20,400 the times that we haven't seen, but for retross, I 29 00:01:20,439 --> 00:01:22,599 think there's always someone that's seen it or seen bits 30 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:24,920 and pieces of it. But I think this is a 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,599 fully fresh, just completely new retrospective and review you're getting here. 32 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:32,840 We are reviewing the nineteen eighty four I won't say classic, 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,799 but very controversial Silent Night, Deadly Night, which Maddy did 34 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:40,239 put in. So Mattie Saig shouting to him, Maddie gotta 35 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:43,000 come back on after night. He says, his work schedule, whatnot. 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,799 We got our last after nine the year soon, Mattie, 37 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:46,879 we missed it. You haven't been one since like February. 38 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,760 It's been a long time, Razer, so I hope you're 39 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:50,959 doing well. But he put it in there because if 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,719 people are interested in they like this, and I have 41 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,519 a bit of the history after the fact when we 42 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,879 get to trivia. But the remake for this film is 43 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,200 coming out this week at the time we're recording for 44 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,599 the patrons. Off if your patrons you get this episode early, 45 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:03,799 and then in a couple of weeks near Christmas, everybody 46 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:05,680 else gets on the main feeds. But at this point 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,040 I guess it would have been out. But yeah, there is 48 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:10,800 a twenty twenty five remake that is about to release 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,199 in the next few days there, so if you have 50 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,680 any interest, there you go. But yeah, Dylan Muss, what 51 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,960 are your thoughts on Silent Night, Deadly Night? What did 52 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,560 you expect going on? Did you hear? Obviously you pull 53 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,159 up a movie, you see the poster, you might see 54 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:27,960 those synopsis, like, what do you mean do you expect 55 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,080 if you hadn't seen this before? Because I think, I 56 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,919 guess I'll get that way. No one has seen this, right, 57 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:38,000 it's all fresh for correct okay audio podcast. But that's okay. 58 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,159 They said, yes, fresh felt I used words. 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: I used the podcast words. I I mean, I think 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,719 you said something about it. You were like, oh, this 61 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:48,759 is a controversial movie. It was like a Santa Killer thing. 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,719 So that's I think the only thing I knew about 63 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:54,639 it going in is whatever you specifically told me. Otherwise 64 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,719 I had no idea what was going on? Ever heard 65 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,599 of this one? Didn't realize because yeah, I saw like 66 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,520 there was an one, because I thought I saw that 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,879 it came out last year. But I guess that was 68 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,719 like when it came on. Festivals are stupid. It's always 69 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:09,240 hard to find I think the things. Yeah, so yeah, 70 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:13,560 this was a fresh viewing for me. And my god, 71 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,039 what a freaking movie. This was one of the strangest 72 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,360 movies we've ever reviewed. Retrospective cover at all. I want 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,520 to say, Maddie, like you're cut off, like after submitting this, 74 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,520 like no more, buddy, like you you've gone too far. 75 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,039 Speaker 1: He'd been in the same time movie he'd never see. 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,759 He just put it in there because the remaking that 77 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,639 would be fun. And he's like, oh so he had 78 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,240 no idea. 79 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: Hey, I, Maddie, you need to watch this as well. 80 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:42,319 Then I feel like that's that's only fair. Yeah, crazy movie. 81 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,719 I surprisingly had a really good time with it, even 82 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:51,199 though it is like extremely trashy and like cheap and 83 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,919 really doesn't give any characters any meaningful anything at all, 84 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:57,719 and really even the kills and stuff aren't even that good. 85 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,479 It's just a weird movie. The main actor is like 86 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,560 just the weirdest performance ever, but he has some great 87 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,080 line delivery. This movie constantly surprised me, Like there's multiple 88 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:10,800 I'm just going spoiler issu here, but like multiple time 89 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:13,039 jumps in here that I did not see coming, and 90 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:16,279 so many like character moments character turns that don't make 91 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:19,000 any logical sense for a human being, but for the 92 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,959 sake of this weird, trashy Christmas horror movie, it like 93 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,680 worked perfectly. So honestly overall had a fun time with this. 94 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:30,439 It was just I was constantly shocked and laughing at 95 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:33,439 the things I was seeing. I think unfortunately, even though 96 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:35,079 it's like short, because I saw eighty two minutes, I 97 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,720 was like, oh, that's that's good stuff. I like to 98 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:38,480 see that when I have to do a retro or 99 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:40,959 something like that. But even then, like the last like 100 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,839 twenty thirty minutes of a movie like slows down to 101 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,720 such a slow like snail's pace, and it was really 102 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,360 just it was just kind of boring at that point. 103 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,759 It's not like it was even a slog it was 104 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,000 just like, I feel like this movie was going for 105 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:55,319 it and constantly ratching up the difficulty and getting more 106 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:57,920 intense and surprising me, and then it just like ceases 107 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:01,160 to do that in the end. So yeah, overall, I 108 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,519 I surprisingly had fun with this, But yeah, I don't 109 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:06,639 think this will be a yearly Christmas watch for me. 110 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Kirk, what about you that you know? Next time you 111 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,560 and Shaye pulling up some hot coke coal thing? Oh 112 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:16,160 what are we gonna watch this Christmas twenty twenty six? 113 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,079 You gotta be pulling up Silent Night, Deadly Night, am 114 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:19,439 I wrong? 115 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,399 Speaker 2: H Yeah, not so much for me. I think this 116 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,360 will be my last viewing of the Silent Night, that 117 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,600 same franchise. Overall, I'm not gonna jump into theaters this 118 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,959 week to go see the new one. 119 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:33,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. 120 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: I really had no idea what it was going into it. 121 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:37,879 I kind of thought it was gonna be like a 122 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,959 spoofy like parody type movie. Like I thought it was 123 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:45,079 gonna be more of ye comedy. There's moments that are comedy, 124 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:48,720 but like it's it's going for the full horror movie 125 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,639 element of you know, Psycho Killer and uh So it 126 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,279 definitely had some surprises in it that threw me for 127 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:00,800 a loop, but overall, I think it was just very weak, 128 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,000 like storytelling following like the character and just like the 129 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,720 time jumps, and like you don't want to spoil too much, 130 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,439 but like just just where our main character at the end. 131 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: Okay, if you are clicking on this review for this movie, 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,000 it must have seen it, I guess. But I guess 133 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,879 you're right. Maybe someone's want to hear overall, so I 134 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:20,079 guess we'll wait. 135 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But so I just feel like where 136 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:26,839 we get to at the end. I was just confused 137 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:29,439 as to like exactly why we got there. I guess 138 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,720 they do a little bit of an effort to kind 139 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,399 of explain it, but it just seemed very half baked 140 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:37,800 and uh yeah, I don't know. There was some fun 141 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:42,600 kills for sure, some just wild scenes, like just just 142 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,079 wild scenes that I kind of had to do like 143 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,720 a double take, and I was like, man, I'm really 144 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,600 seeing this right here. So yeah, there you go, little 145 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,879 Christmas horror horror flick here. Our twenty four I think 146 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:55,399 was the run time for it. I saw it at 147 00:06:55,399 --> 00:06:57,319 the beginning. I'm like, holy fuck, this's gonna be a 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,839 just a quick breeze of a film, not so much 149 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,839 as it got going I feel like it kind of 150 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:06,639 felt longer than that while I was watching it. But yeah, 151 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,000 so I'm not gonna say disappointed, but I guess now 152 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,720 I can say that I've seen this of you know, 153 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:17,560 come across anyone in my path that talks about silent 154 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,720 idaily night, I can at least give my two cents. 155 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:22,600 So I guess I'm happy about that. And yeah, I 156 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,560 definitely think Maddie has to watch this now. That should 157 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,519 be his punishment for making us watch this film and 158 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:28,439 review it. 159 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, he has said he's going to, but 160 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:32,360 we should. 161 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,959 Speaker 2: Hold him to it at least absolutely. 162 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:37,639 Speaker 1: Next after nine guest thoughts NBC. So I still watched it. 163 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,920 We'll go We'll be on him every time, like you. 164 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: Will punish him. We'll punish him. 165 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:46,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Taylor, same thing, Mads. And this must have 166 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,160 been a laugh riot for you too, right. 167 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:52,639 Speaker 5: Well, I didn't watch it with her, No, she was 168 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 sleeping throughout most of the time that I was opting 169 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,279 to watch this because watching in three parts. 170 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,439 Speaker 3: The trilogy event. 171 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, last night ten minutes before going to the gym, 172 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:06,879 and then this morning for about probably a good hour, 173 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,959 and then ten minutes on my lunch break today so 174 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,360 it was. 175 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,759 Speaker 1: Ten minutes and then a whole hour, and then another ten. 176 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:17,079 Speaker 5: Minutes in ten minutes the hour of like fifteen whatever. 177 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,160 It is top of a movie. Yeah, yeah, it was yeah, 178 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:27,600 quite the quite the film. I feel like what started 179 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,720 at the beginning wasn't really you know, it was it 180 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,840 was rushed and just like I wasn't really feeling it 181 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,399 or in with it. But then when we kind of 182 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:39,159 got to the end, I was like, Okay, I'm driving 183 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,600 with this ending. It's getting really outrageous, but I like 184 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,360 what's going on here, And there's a couple of scenes 185 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:47,240 that just really cracked me up, which I'm excited to 186 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,519 highlight because it was just. 187 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:51,799 Speaker 4: It was rowdy. It was really really rowdy. But yeah, 188 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:52,919 the acting. 189 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 5: Is terrible, and it's just you know, there's just a 190 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,320 lot of cuckolding going on and uh just or maybe. 191 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,039 Speaker 4: Voyeurs on vowyors. I'm not cuckholding. 192 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, holds, you're in on the you're wanting it to happen? 193 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:11,159 Speaker 4: Oh he did he do? He wanted to action. I'm 194 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:11,720 sure he did. 195 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:13,919 Speaker 1: I think so. I don't think the guy like our 196 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,960 Sana was like I want to see people taking advantage 197 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,559 and I think he was putting these situations. 198 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: I mean he was big looking in at a key hole. 199 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Like the key hole, yes, but like he a cuck 200 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,720 hole would be two people are dating and you know, okay, 201 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:30,559 do you have fun with my man, lady, I'm gonna 202 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,200 stand by and watch. I don't think if. 203 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: That was his lady in the room and he was 204 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:37,159 still key holding there you go, that would have been more. 205 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: I was like twelve at the time, you know. 206 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:45,799 Speaker 5: But yeah, no, it's as far as movies go, it's 207 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,519 not one that I'm probably gonna end up revisiting. But 208 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,919 I yeah, I don't know. It's it's got me interested 209 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:55,039 to see what the other ones are about. And I'd 210 00:09:55,039 --> 00:09:58,440 be lying if I said I didn't look at the 211 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:02,320 synopsis for part two because I was curious, and I 212 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,240 am interested. 213 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,639 Speaker 4: I am very much interested to see where it's going. 214 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 5: I didn't read the synopsis for the other ones, but 215 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,960 at least with part two, it's it's kind of got 216 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,480 me intrigued. So if it gets a bit better than 217 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,679 what this one was doing, then I'm that I'm I'm 218 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,279 content enough to keep pursuing it. 219 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: But this one was definitely. 220 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,919 Speaker 5: Zany uh And yeah, the acting was just not not great. 221 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:24,279 Speaker 4: Maddie. 222 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 5: I'm just really surprised you haven't seen it. I feel 223 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,720 like you should definitely give it a watch and share 224 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,000 your thoughts because there was a lot of times where 225 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:37,639 I was laughing the whoever wrote the I don't know 226 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:40,279 about the dialogue, which just wrote like the lines and whatnot, 227 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,440 just Michael Hickey. Yeah, I don't know, mister Mike. It's 228 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:48,279 it's a very weird level of dialogue punish punish, and 229 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,960 all these other things too that are going on. It's 230 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:56,639 it's just very very odd. But yeah, that intro to 231 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,159 this movie was just wild. You get this shit in 232 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,879 sideways and then all of a sudden you're at the orphan. 233 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:06,480 It's just again not spoilers, but it's just yeah, but 234 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,720 the superior one hell of a character. 235 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,799 Speaker 1: I imply some things that happened to our character. 236 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,159 Speaker 2: What happens to his parents? 237 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 238 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,639 Speaker 3: Though the movie gets like right freaking into it. It 239 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,200 does not you know, in a classic horror, you know, 240 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:23,480 maybe spend the first hour really building half hour, like 241 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:25,480 really building it up. This movie is not the case. 242 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,279 Like we get into the action like five minutes flat. 243 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:28,960 We do. 244 00:11:29,159 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: It's like that it's like a midsommar for this. It 245 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,279 like takes like an hour. You spend an hour at 246 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,840 that whole family before everything goes down. 247 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,799 Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna be the whole movie. Honestly, 248 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:39,919 I didn't think we're gonna be getting time skips at all, 249 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,960 especially because like the opening credits it says introducing so 250 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:45,080 and so as Billy, and usually when they do that, 251 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,440 it's like a child actor. So I'm like, Okay, this 252 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:50,399 is gonna be our protagonist the whole film. Let's follow 253 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,399 this this young and uh and. 254 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 4: Ten years later, Yeah, exactly. 255 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,879 Speaker 2: Disappears pretty quick. 256 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: They were dropping those ten years later before the popular 257 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,600 like two that twenty. It is like meme of just 258 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:03,919 every movie Faith in Black and you know. 259 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Five years though year. 260 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:09,639 Speaker 5: I feel like in terms of just kind of developing characters, 261 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:12,320 they really did none of that. But again, this is 262 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,159 a spoiler, but this character has a brother, and I 263 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,679 feel like you just totally forget that the brother is present. 264 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,639 He's there for sure, but I feel like the brother 265 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,679 doesn't age over the course of ten years, by what 266 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:28,879 six months? 267 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 4: The brother barely ages. 268 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: In the when we meet the brother, he's a baby. 269 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, then you skip. 270 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Ahead and he's standing and walking. Yeah, so how do 271 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,279 you mean he barely ages? 272 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,039 Speaker 5: Because the next time, so you see him in three instances. 273 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,240 You see him as a baby, then you see him 274 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,480 standing and walking when his older brother is in the 275 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,840 orphanage being mother superiored. And then when when the main 276 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:54,960 character becomes an adult, yeah, ten years, then you see 277 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:55,840 his younger brother. 278 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:57,159 Speaker 4: But the younger brother doesn't. 279 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: Feel like he aged because that's like a newborn, so 280 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,759 he should be like ten, and he definitely seems younger 281 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:03,240 than that. But it's weird with the time dumps because 282 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,279 the first one is like the movie starts with like 283 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:07,480 it's nineteen seventy four, and then you get like a 284 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,559 time jump that's like it's now nineteen seventy six. But 285 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,919 I feel like I missed that first year, so I 286 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,519 was like really confused. I was like, is this supposed 287 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:15,639 to be Billy. It took me a couple of scenes 288 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,279 to be like, oh, that is Billy. He's like a 289 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,200 new actor now because I missed that first thing. But 290 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,519 then they do ten years later, So I don't know 291 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:23,080 why they didn't just do three years later the first time, 292 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:25,279 Like they had to make it like very confusing for 293 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:27,039 really no gain whatsoever. 294 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: Oh, Santa's after Taylor right there. You know you look 295 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,480 like you have that the dark pasturehood right now from 296 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,559 Dexter with the hood and the light. 297 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,759 Speaker 5: I haven't put the lights the reflective thing in yet, 298 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:40,720 never working on it. 299 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Well before I go to refer to what Taylor was 300 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:45,840 talking about. In total with this one, there are now 301 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:49,360 seven of these movies. What shit? 302 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: I saw that there was a trilogy, but seven? What 303 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:52,759 the f? 304 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,399 Speaker 1: So you have this one Silent Night, Deadly Night, you 305 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:59,240 got Silent Night, Deadly Night, Part two, you got Silent Night, 306 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,440 Deadly Night. You better watch out? Which none? How did 307 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,000 they not go Silent Night, deadly or night nowhere in here? 308 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,279 But they didn't do it, so better watch out. So 309 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,279 that is the trilogy. These next two are Silent Night, 310 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,600 Deadly Night four The Initiation and Silent Night, Deadly Night 311 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,240 five The toy Maker. Those are like anthologies technically. 312 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: Like Toymaker. Yeah, it's like. 313 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Like a DLC game or something. Yeah, yeah, outsider. 314 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: There are characters from the other three that are in those, 315 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,279 but they are much more of an anthology. It is 316 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,360 kind of funny. The guy that stars as the killer 317 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,120 Santon Toymaker back in eighty four really condemned the Silent 318 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Night Deadly Night, And there I have my tribua that 319 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,200 there's some rumors that they filmed as the Toymaker and 320 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,000 didn't tell them that it was gonna be sent Night 321 00:14:42,039 --> 00:14:44,080 Deadly Night, and then when they promote it, and then 322 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,039 in twenty twelve you had the remake Silent Night, and 323 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,279 now there's the second remake coming out December twelve, Silent Night, 324 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:51,879 Deadly Night. 325 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,799 Speaker 3: So no relation because what's a movie called with David Harbor? 326 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: Oh the what is it? 327 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:00,559 Speaker 3: Wasn't that also called like Silent Night eight or something? 328 00:15:02,879 --> 00:15:03,279 Speaker 1: Is it dead? 329 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: Now? 330 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: It's a dead silent someone looking up because I can't 331 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,080 because of the post. But Dave heard Santa. It's in 332 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,639 there and it's getting a sequel too, But it's pretty 333 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:11,440 close to. 334 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,519 Speaker 3: What Violent Night by. Okay, that's great title, great time, 335 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,320 But without looking it up on IMDb, what do you 336 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,320 guys think the chances are that Billy Like is resurrected 337 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,240 in one of those sequels that we get and he 338 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,960 just comes back to life to be an evil dead 339 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:27,279 zone it. 340 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 5: Don't I don't think they've incorporated super again. I haven't 341 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:34,039 seen all the other six durations, but there's no supernatural aspect, right. 342 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:35,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta think about that. 343 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,519 Speaker 3: If any series is going to dip into supernatural, I 344 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,120 feel like this one could be. 345 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:40,799 Speaker 5: Could be. 346 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,679 Speaker 1: They remember Friday thirteenth had no supernatural until the fifth one, Taylor, 347 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,960 So things can always change. 348 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,919 Speaker 4: It's true, it's true. 349 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:50,159 Speaker 5: I just just based on the second one, it just 350 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,360 feels like it's it's trauma. This trauma that's core is 351 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:55,279 what causes evil. 352 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Santa Kirkling, you had a guest for the judges. Does 353 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:01,879 it get supernatural or not? 354 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,919 Speaker 3: Uh? I think I just want to know if Billy 355 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:06,399 comes back. Do you think Billy comes back, which I 356 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:07,320 guess would imply you. 357 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Can answer, I can answer no, he does not. It 358 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,639 h two and three fall the Brother. The brother then 359 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,320 takes up the Santa Claus axe and caution Man three. 360 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:20,159 Speaker 3: So he survives still through two. Okay, maybe he gets 361 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,840 locked up and breaks out or something. 362 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:23,759 Speaker 1: That I can't confirm. That's one thing I guess I 363 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,399 can say that I don't know if he survives or 364 00:16:25,559 --> 00:16:27,440 maybe he does get resurrected. I just know that the 365 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,039 brother is the killer, and then the brother is in 366 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,840 at least four, but he's just like kind of around. 367 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:35,840 He's not even the main story or kill and whatnot, 368 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:38,120 so I can't speak to what happens in Silent Night. 369 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,039 And then that's why for me this movie, I thought, 370 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,960 I'll wait till we get to spoilers. I've seen the 371 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:46,960 synopsis of the remake, and I was like, Okay, that 372 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,159 makes sense because i'd seen I'd heard about this that. Okay, 373 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,559 they're remaking this very controversial aiding movies. I'd never seen this. 374 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:53,879 I feel like that's kind of rare for me because 375 00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:56,639 even some I've seen some low bottom barrel stuff. I'm 376 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,000 not saying this bottom bear. There's there's some bottle barrel stuff, 377 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,519 but it was still I appreciate the work they're trying 378 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,519 to do, but I'd never heard of this. Then I 379 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:08,519 heard the remake was happening, and I was interested until 380 00:17:08,519 --> 00:17:10,880 I heard the synopsis, so I went, okay, that's that's 381 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,920 like kind of what I thought. That's not really as 382 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,079 fun as I thought would be. Okay, and then Maddie 383 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,279 put this in here and went, okay, let's watch this, 384 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,079 and the remake is not exactly like this one, and 385 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:23,200 I'll break that don't get into spoilers. So that's why 386 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:24,920 I was taken for a ride the first half an 387 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,200 hour because it was going way places that I did 388 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,720 not think it was going. So, uh, yeah, it's not. 389 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,720 It's it's like above like really bad eighties seventies whore Like, 390 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:39,000 it's not as bad as that. I I like some 391 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:42,160 of the ambience that's going on there. We'll talk about 392 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,160 this many times. This definitely feels like one of these 393 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,960 films that man the directors and the casting department everything, 394 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,559 they're just obsessed with seeing titties and people naked. There's 395 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,640 just every not every fifteen minutes, but it feels like 396 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,400 something happens, big event of kill. Twenty minutes goes by, 397 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,960 and then it's just, oh, here's a couple getting it 398 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,240 on and this couple. It's not like, oh, we've met 399 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,039 this character. They've gone home, they're making love to their 400 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:06,680 girlfriend husband, and we're gonna meet that person. No, it's 401 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,519 just like our killer goes up to a bar and 402 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,359 these guys are on a pool table and it's like, oh, 403 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,279 these are the next victims. What I found the most 404 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:15,279 odd about this and we'll talk about how we get there, 405 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:19,079 but they don't have like a like a final girl 406 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,880 or final guy per se. They kind of do, but 407 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,359 it's odd because that's what I find at least a 408 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,400 little bit interesting, is the final girl is someone that 409 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,519 in the first act kind of the villain of the story. 410 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:32,119 So it's an odd situation where you're supposed to not 411 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,200 want this person who kind of seems like a piece 412 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,000 of shit to get killed because up until I pause 413 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:39,480 and there's like an hour left, I'm like, who's gonna 414 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:42,279 be the the person's gonna take down our Sana, right, 415 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:44,000 Because like for my suppos they kind of introduced this 416 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,279 love interest and I thought, Oh, that's what's gonna happen, right, 417 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,680 She's gonna be the one to speak with them, get 418 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,319 through there and we'll get there. That is not the case, 419 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,440 so I'll say it it at least it wasn't generic. 420 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,039 That's what I can give it that way, where I 421 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,720 think there's some generic things about it, maybe some dialogue 422 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,839 and act, but the actual story, I'm not saying it's 423 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,240 a great story, And I think there's even a way 424 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:07,359 you could do a version of this story, and that's 425 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:08,880 what we want to see with that remake. I think 426 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,319 there's a version. You could do this story and it 427 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,200 be an interesting character study of depression and like with 428 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,880 Harry Simon, trauma, just what can happen to you if 429 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,720 you're not treated the right way or you're left with 430 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:22,599 the wrong people. I think there's an interesting concept there, 431 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,200 and I think there's an interesting trajectory, but I don't 432 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,279 think the film's like overall that interesting, but I will 433 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:29,759 say it's wild. I don't think you can watch this 434 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,920 movie and predict exactly where it's gonna go. And that's 435 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,200 a fun thing, and this is definitely one so we 436 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,319 could never do it now. But this is one of 437 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,880 those movies. While probably about twenty five minutes and I 438 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480 was like, damn, this would have been a good watch 439 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:43,680 long type of movie, you know, because sometimes you never 440 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,400 know you watch it's fun, but it's like, oh, would 441 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,960 have been a fun time watching it with people. So, Mattie, 442 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,079 if you, if you have anybody watch it with. I 443 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:52,680 don't know who i'd recommend. Obviously has to be people 444 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,440 that you would have to put through a bad movie 445 00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:57,559 per se. But you know, anybody wants to watch this, 446 00:19:57,599 --> 00:19:59,200 I'd say do it, people, But if not, I think 447 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,119 you'll still have like good enough time. If you like 448 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,400 this genre, if you're not a big horror person, if 449 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,880 you're not a big slasher person, then I'd say definitely. 450 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:09,200 Uh it's it's a skippable one. But uh yeah, it's 451 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,839 always fun to get these because I think last year, 452 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,519 didn't we review what was that one with the kid 453 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:19,559 right and the babysitter? Oh yeah, I feel like that. 454 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,559 I could be wrong, but I think we're on the 455 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,480 third year of doing a horror Christmas movie. That seems 456 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:27,400 to be what happening because I think we did the 457 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,839 Night Before and a couple of ones. But yeah, so 458 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,279 I enjoyed it. 459 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: It was better watch Out, Better watch Out? 460 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,039 Speaker 1: Okay, it was. It was a It was a ride though, So. 461 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: Didn't you say that was? Like the subtitle the third 462 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,119 one of this is better watch Out? 463 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah three, the third parttter watch Out. So they saw 464 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,119 that and they took it. So what I was gonna 465 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,359 say to introduce where we go the story? So with 466 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,680 the I'll read the synopsis for the remake because this 467 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,759 is all I'd seen and this is where I thought 468 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:56,880 we were going. Uh, let's see if I can get 469 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,559 the Uh No, they're not gonna tell me this because 470 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,319 it's all development and stuff. Let me just go to 471 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,519 IMDb quickly here, But pretty much what it sets up 472 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,559 is he's playing the same character, Billy, and the guy 473 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,559 who's playing Billy Ron Campbell. He's a good actor, so 474 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,599 I'm excited to see his take on it. I will watch. 475 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,519 I will watch the remake at home. Not in tears. 476 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:19,680 But a child witnesses his parents' murder by a man 477 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,240 in Santa suit. Years later, as an adult, he dons 478 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:24,880 the same costume and embarks on a vying quest for 479 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,359 retribution against those responsible. So I had seen that, and 480 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,240 I because I knew nothing about it, and then I 481 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:32,279 saw that, like, okay, I can see how this remake 482 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:34,400 goes where that's what it's gonna be. Where we meet 483 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,359 this kid he has some trauma, but he ends up 484 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,759 being the hero of the story. Man. That is not 485 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,640 the route we go with this, but it does at 486 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,839 least open the same way where we see a criminal 487 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,759 he performs a robbery, and then he's on the side 488 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,119 of the road. He's dressed in a Santa costume. He's 489 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,400 either I can't remember, is his car actually broke down 490 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,119 or is he just pretending. I don't think we ever 491 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:53,839 get that even. 492 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,319 Speaker 3: I think it's just a ruse, right, just to get 493 00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:56,039 someone to pull over. 494 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so people pull over. It's our main character, Billy 495 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,440 with his family, you know, as a younger brother dad. 496 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 5: He's already scared shitless because it was fucking Grandpa Roight. 497 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I skipped over that that they did. 498 00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:13,039 They went to go visit his grandfather, who. 499 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,079 Speaker 4: They gaslighting the family. 500 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: I did not understand what was going on that. 501 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:21,519 Speaker 2: He was going to be like the villain of the 502 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:23,599 story with how it's set up. I'm like, Okay, this 503 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:25,640 guy already kind of looks like Sanna, you know, without 504 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,759 a beard, So this is gonna be our killer of 505 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:30,200 the whole film. So right away they threw me for 506 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,079 a loop. And yeah, he's just crazy in the old 507 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,519 folks am and just gaslighting the family. And that's his story. Like, 508 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:39,640 he does not come back at all in the movie, 509 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,960 which I totally thought he would, so very very shocked 510 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,039 by the way that that went out. 511 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: I feel like I misheard that scene too. When they 512 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,680 show up and like both parents I thought said like, hey, Dad, 513 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,319 how are you doing? And I was like, wait, what's 514 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,279 going on here? What is this situation? But yeah, I yeah, 515 00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:59,839 this movie, as we already mentioned, like just gets right 516 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,559 do it. Man? When when the Santa goes and like 517 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,200 kills that like it's seven to eleven clerk so brutal 518 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,480 that he goes back for like the third head shot, 519 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,720 like the totally unnecessary shot right in the head. Like 520 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,039 that's when I feel like I was expecting this movie 521 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:19,720 to get like pretty graphic, and it's not really too graphic, 522 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,000 I guess, like in terms of like the violence just 523 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,000 compared to like things I've seen these days, I suppose, 524 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,519 But man, it's like just pretty sickening if you think 525 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,640 about it, just how fucked up this guy isn't and 526 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,640 Billy as well, because yeah, as you mentioned her was 527 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,319 like he is not on a mission to get retribution. 528 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,119 He is just killing random people. I mean one, you know, 529 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,640 a guy was raping a girl, so yeah, you go 530 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,400 ahead take. 531 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,599 Speaker 4: That guy out, but but also the girl, the girl 532 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,440 was also at fault. 533 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: Yeah she also and. 534 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:48,599 Speaker 3: Then later just too random people at a random house 535 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,960 and thankfully he doesn't kill the kid. But like, yeah, 536 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,519 there's no connection to who these people are, just random killings. 537 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm trying to like I kind of 538 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,559 get what they're doing with the kid, where okay, the 539 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,480 grandpa says, oh, Sanna, if you're naughty, he's gonna punish you, 540 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,079 and all this stuff. I just feel like, is there 541 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640 not any other character to get that, to do that 542 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,079 other than just like this, this weird subplot. We never 543 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,759 returned to this. 544 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: In the fifth movie. That's when the grandpa comes back. 545 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: Maybe I may I wonder if it's the remake. I 546 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,079 have all these questions, like if they're gonna do that, 547 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,000 But so that happens, so they they pretty much just 548 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,720 set up that. This guy sets up if you're bad, 549 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,759 Santa's gonna punish you, right, So then what's happening is 550 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,119 they are driving as we talk about Santa's there, weighs 551 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,720 him down. Uh, he kills the day. He shoots the 552 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,400 dad while he tries to drive away because he comes 553 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,079 out like he seems fine, and of course the dad's like, 554 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,839 oh look it's the guy the Santa claushume he must 555 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,480 be heading to a party, like he's very happy, senses 556 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,319 something's going wrong. He shoots him. He brings the woman out, 557 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:49,279 which like, I so here's like, I don't know how 558 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,799 to word this. I felt like I don't know why 559 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 the breasts were exposed. I thought they were exposed, not 560 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,559 that I'm trying to want to see like a sexual assaulting, 561 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:02,640 but okay, this is the route's gonna go. But he 562 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:05,480 just exposed the breast and then slut her throat. I 563 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,599 didn't understand the portion. I understand the portion this way. 564 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:10,079 I mean not to make me sound like an awlf person, 565 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,359 but I understand in the context of you're gonna have 566 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,960 this character commit this terrible assault, so of course there's 567 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,440 sexually tracked this woman. That's why the breast would be revealed. 568 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,279 I don't understand from this thing. It's just like, yeah, okay. 569 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:23,839 Speaker 5: And the like it was because she hit him though, right, 570 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,640 And I feel like, okay, he retaliated because she clopped 571 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,000 him or clocked him one, But. 572 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,759 Speaker 1: Why didn't he just stab her? That seems like a 573 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:31,519 good retaliation to me from a psycho and not. 574 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,039 Speaker 2: Like, no, you exposed the breasts and then she hits 575 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:38,759 them and then he stabs her. 576 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it's ridiculous. 577 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,279 Speaker 2: It's like, it's literally just okay, how can we get 578 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:44,119 more tits in this thing? 579 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 580 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: Just parents, it's his parents, and she's like awesome, just 581 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,519 like just like nudity ran on my screen like and 582 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,319 it's a big zoom and I'm like, this must be 583 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:55,079 like a traumatic and it is traumatic. But that's what 584 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,559 I thought. Okay, it's gonna be tracicause the're gonna do 585 00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:58,839 this al I'm not saying stuff, but just it was 586 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,200 odd and then as the film pers and went okay, yeah, 587 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,480 it was just a classic. Well see how many naked 588 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:04,200 ladies we can get? 589 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: Is this some GV review slash retro with the most 590 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,480 boobs in it? Has there? Have we ever watched? 591 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: Game? For sure has more boobs than this. 592 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: Does it. 593 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, because like even in the like Michael Fastman 594 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,720 has that three way, there's the girly fucks at the window, 595 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,799 there's that girly fucks outside. 596 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,279 Speaker 5: There were four boob scenes in here where four different 597 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,359 naked chicks. 598 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: And a lot of porn Brendan watches as well. Remember 599 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,319 but that that that's the difference of because that's artfully 600 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,119 done and it's for the story. It doesn't even feel 601 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,839 like it's like unnecessary. Oh I get this because like 602 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,240 Brennan's actings, where this is just tits for the sake 603 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,079 of tits. But I'm trying to think you might be right. 604 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,400 It's definitely in the top three, I'll say top three. 605 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely stands it because even like when you 606 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,079 have the the the young couple like on the pool table, 607 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480 and she like takes her shirt, well, that's that's also 608 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,279 super takes her shirt off when they're making out, and 609 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,839 then she's like gonna go upstairs to like go let 610 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,039 the cat in, so she puts pants on, but like 611 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880 just does not put a shirt on, just opens the 612 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,440 door and isn't like peeking around the corner, like she 613 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,960 just fully opens it. Anyone anyone could have seen and 614 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,960 even liked because the kid could have been walking around too. 615 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: Still, oh yeah, the kid who was already trying to 616 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,200 get down but again threatened Santa Claus. But and then 617 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359 even like Billy's dream sequence, can't you just have like 618 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,759 a oh he likes this girl work. It's just a 619 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,039 romangue making love thing and like it is. But still 620 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:29,240 it's just like, now we got to make sure this 621 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,279 person's dude, you know. So it's uh yeah, lots lots 622 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,960 of lots of eighties nudy going on. So but as 623 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,640 we said, this happens, the killer does not see Billy, 624 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,839 he's out in the wood summary hides. That's how we 625 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:41,400 get to what we're talking about, the orphanage, where he 626 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,960 meets the Superior who's not really nice to him, and 627 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,319 then it's uh, I guess years of punishments and spankings 628 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,640 and again with the sex. She's even spanking adults in 629 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359 this movie, which was an all like, I guess it's 630 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,599 an orphanage. I didn't understand why, like these people were 631 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:01,559 so loud. That's what caught me off guard too, Like 632 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,400 if you're an orphanage where clearly you probably shouldn't have 633 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,519 having sex, why is this guy like, oh, like he's 634 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,880 so loud. He's so loud, and that has maybe the 635 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,759 largest keyhole that hence my name, is the largest key 636 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,200 hole I've ever seen in my life. I understand it's 637 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,640 a kid goes. 638 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: It's the seventies, right, did they have big key. 639 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: It's like a Hogwarts fucking keyhole. 640 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, house, it's his hut. But yeah, what do we 641 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:27,119 think about the orphanage and the superior and Billy having 642 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,319 a well scared of sand as well? 643 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:32,559 Speaker 3: I'll say that obviously this movie is like right, off 644 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,319 the bat is extremely off the rails, like grotesque nudity, 645 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,799 slitting throats, headshots and stuff when he's peaking through that hole, 646 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:41,880 and you know it's an orphanage, but it's also like, 647 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:46,039 I don't know, like a religious you know, like Christian thing. 648 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:49,160 There's like nuns everywhere and stuff. And honestly, like when 649 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,319 that guy was when they were having sex in there, 650 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:53,279 and then like starts out with their feet and then 651 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,039 like I don't even like the camera like moves up. 652 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,039 The woman had like really small feet. I'm like, oh 653 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,200 my god, are they going there? Like is this like 654 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,440 some pedophilia at this orphanage going on? Because she had 655 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,799 like fucking tiny feet, and thankfully I was happy to 656 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,279 see the boobs at them and I'm like, Okay, this 657 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,119 is not a child, this is a woman here. But yeah, 658 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,839 that was he, and he was he was just stationed there. 659 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,359 He was a century. He was not going he was 660 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,920 he was never leaving that keyhole. 661 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,119 Speaker 2: It was strange too, because that was like what was 662 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,200 activating his like PTSD has seen his mother like in 663 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 the so it's like to your point, traps like it 664 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,000 seemed like they were setting it up the trauma thing 665 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,599 with that, but like that scene obviously went different ways, 666 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,880 but so it was just really strange, really doubling down 667 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,920 on just the punishment. And I guess that just ties 668 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960 into if you're naughty, you're gonna get punished. So I 669 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,279 guess that's the whole purpose of that. And like Mother's 670 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,119 Superior just being this tyrant. I like, I laughed so 671 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,119 hard though when he's peeping, Mother Superior comes in down 672 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,880 the hallway, it's like a crazy just music shift of 673 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,920 like the March of the Orcs, like on Helm's Deep, right, 674 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920 he this this Mother Superior coming down the hallway, pulls 675 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,960 them out of the way, kicks in the door, and 676 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:09,119 just like pure horror for these these this young couple 677 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,559 having some intercourse. Mother Superior enters the door and just 678 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:14,799 slams the door and then all you hear. 679 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,799 Speaker 3: Is just but dig it, take it, take it. 680 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,759 Speaker 4: He's like she's just whipping. 681 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,799 Speaker 2: These two with with the belt. That it was a wild, 682 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,359 wild sequence because. 683 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:29,279 Speaker 1: We never see this lady again, right, like the ladies, 684 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,880 like the younger, you never see them at all anything, Right, No. 685 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,519 Speaker 2: It's probably just murdered, just like nothing characters. 686 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to show Superior is a not a good lady. 687 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,440 And and then she even though the boy really did nothing wrong, 688 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,519 she decides to also beat the boys while just as 689 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,480 like a behavior I guess because he was watching right. 690 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: But like, no, he left his room. 691 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,759 Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to, right, I guess, so in that. 692 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: Even though she's the guardian, like the other nun told 693 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,119 him to leave the room. 694 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I will say to your point, Kirkling, like, 695 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,480 I actually think this movie really great soundtrack. I think 696 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,119 the score is really interesting. Of course it has your 697 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,400 creepy vibes, but also has the christmasy vibes, has like 698 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,759 just eighties kind of tones to it. There's like a 699 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:13,480 little bit of like psychedelic stuff in there. Like I 700 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,359 feel like it was quite the mix, and I thought 701 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,720 some of the scenes really stood. I think kind of 702 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,000 at the end, it just becomes a little bit less, 703 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,839 has like a little bit less personality to it. But 704 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920 I was surprised at how much I liked the music 705 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,160 in here. And I looked up the composer Perry Botkin, 706 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,880 who I've never heard of, and like going through his 707 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,039 IMDb didn't really recognize anything, but I thought I thought 708 00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:36,079 it was in a really good score. 709 00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,359 Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I know, there's some fun moments. I guess 710 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:44,119 what I wanted to go back to was the so 711 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,759 he sees I guess, so he sees him getting it on, 712 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,279 and that's where he has flashbacks to his parents dying, 713 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,279 and we talked about how later on. I guess, like, 714 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,480 how does that is it? Just because when he kills 715 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,519 that guy at the shop, he just snaps in general, right, 716 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,880 because there's no reason to They kind of have the 717 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640 girl be like, oh, why'd you do that? You're such 718 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 a monster, and I guess she's being mean to him, 719 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,839 so I guess it's a reason to do that. But then, 720 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,279 like we said later on the couples that they don't 721 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,799 really do much that family, they don't do much or 722 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,839 they don't do anything to our knowledge of being sinners 723 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,119 or should be punished. So that's where I say my 724 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,440 nonspoys where I think there's an interesting idea and that's 725 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,359 always a fun thing where we gotta kill her punishing 726 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,599 you know, bad people. But I feel like they kind 727 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,559 of lost the plot along the way, and I guess what, 728 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,359 just like I said, seeing some nudity remind them of 729 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,759 that bad night. 730 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,039 Speaker 2: I guess, you know, yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree. 731 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,880 I think there's some fun stuff in here, even just 732 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,519 the idea of him becoming like the thing that he's hated, 733 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,400 Like that's that's an interesting you know concept there, and 734 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,119 that you could really squeeze out an interesting story with that. 735 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,920 But like I was saying earlier, it just seems so 736 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,559 like he's so traumatized by Sanna and then all of 737 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,160 a sudden he's just wearing the suit and he's just 738 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,000 killing people, and it's just I like skipped a cut 739 00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,119 scene and here we are where this is. This is 740 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,799 the reality now that we're living with. So definitely, uh, 741 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,880 some mispotential there for for both of those. Yeah, both 742 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,519 those setups. 743 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 5: And he got drunk too, right kind of because the 744 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,200 the boss Man toy Star was like here, what are 745 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,880 you drinking here? 746 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,079 Speaker 2: I can't believe he was there, man, Like that's fat 747 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,960 Company Christmas party. He fucking hates Sanna. He's like having 748 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,400 PTSD and he's just staying at this party. It's just like, 749 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,359 oh my god, this is pure torture. 750 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: Well I kind of took it as like the second 751 00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,519 the store closed the party was started, so honestly, I 752 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,279 guess he could just bolt out of there, but because 753 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,400 he already has the sand suit, I think he's trying 754 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640 to stay and I think maybe he has the idea of, 755 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,839 well he's gonna I can't remember her name, but he's 756 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:39,519 gonna make the moves on her right, which I thought 757 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:41,759 at first when we got the scene in the making Love, 758 00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:43,400 I didn't know that was a dream sequence. I thought 759 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,640 that was the real thing. So that, oh, you know, 760 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,880 he's has a pretty good together. He's seems good, he's 761 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,599 got a job, and he's making love this this lady. 762 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: But his performance when he wakes up and just like vaults, 763 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,200 like just as a full on jump out of his bed. 764 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,519 I love that this guy's acting is something else. But 765 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,519 I I was thoroughly thrilled every facial facial reaction he's 766 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,480 he had all the line deliveries of mostly punished, but 767 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,920 other things too. I love this guy for how goofy 768 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,880 and cheesy the performance was. 769 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,159 Speaker 1: Still acting to this day, so you know, oh yeah 770 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,199 go check out so uh. 771 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, coming out this week film. 772 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: I hope he's in there. Hope for a cameo. It's 773 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,320 something to get him in there. You know that'd be fun, 774 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,480 but uh yeah, I know it's too is they like, 775 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,480 obviously Spear not a good lady. But her bold idea, well, 776 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,280 Santa's gonna be there for Christmas year, and they've they've 777 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,639 there's a nicer nun there. They've expressed that clearly. He 778 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,639 still having issues with Christmas with Sanna, and her big 779 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,519 idea is like, well, he's gonna sit in Santa's lap 780 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:50,440 no matter what, I'm gonna make sure that all these 781 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,599 guys are having a good time. She's pulling this kid, 782 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,280 He's screaming. And then what got me the most was 783 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,760 he pulls back hits Santa the Haymacher. Not only does 784 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,199 he knock up to the crazy for everybody, this kid's 785 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,760 maybe somewhere between eight to ten Sanna, that's there is 786 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,480 a Roman Groman Sana a big guy. Uh pulls back 787 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,159 punched him. So not only is he not going his 788 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,480 ass when they go to the closes with Sannah, his 789 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,719 nose is busted open. He's bleeding so billy he. 790 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,039 Speaker 3: Gets launched too. 791 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: He launched. Yeah, he was like a smash finisher. He 792 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,239 just went on the stage. 793 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: They shouldn't have made They should have focused him being 794 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,920 like a UFC fighter, a boxer. Billy like he could 795 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,119 have an amazing career like those. He got his hands 796 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,599 and steel over there for sure. But and then yeah, 797 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,599 and it's funny, like all this trauma happens, it shows 798 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:34,679 it's not going well, and that's what we're talking about. 799 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:36,719 Time jumps. It just jumps to oh, he's an adult, 800 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,719 and then they get him a job interview and he's 801 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,039 just like a good guy. He's nice. And that's where 802 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,320 I honestly did not think we were obviously, because I 803 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,840 read that synopsis of the remake, I thought it was 804 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,519 gonna be the same thing, right because his first victim 805 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,360 he does kill, like the guy who's trying to assault 806 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,320 the woman he likes. I thought, okay, he's gonna go 807 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,280 after those people. But no, I did not see it 808 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,360 coming that he was just gonna be the straight up killer. 809 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,239 And like I said in the non spots as well, 810 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,840 I thought the girl he liked was gonna be our 811 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,840 protagonists as far as running for her life while this 812 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,360 guy was after But no, she gets killed off right away, 813 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,039 and we don't really have a protagonist. It's very much 814 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,719 like Tayla. You've seen this, but it's very much like 815 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,199 Terrifying Away, where it's just art the clowns kind of 816 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,360 goes from person to person. Now they have added protagonists 817 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,360 in those, but especially that first movie, it's just art 818 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,880 like on Halloween, like stop someplace, kill somebody. Stops someplace, 819 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,480 kill somebody. That's this was kind of the blueprint for that, 820 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,039 Like this whole movie was that. And then they did 821 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,440 tie it back to the church, but even that was 822 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,239 very uh very quick. Those church scenes at the end, 823 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,239 so m h. 824 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 3: I was so uncomfortable when he is finding the Santa 825 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,199 costume and he had all the kids are coming up 826 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,960 to sit on his lap, and the one girl like 827 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,960 just so extremely uncomfortable. He's like kind of whispering, but 828 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,559 he is still pretty loud. He's like stop punish, like 829 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,719 he's doing his classic punished stuff and man and all 830 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920 the parents are just like, oh, this guy is such 831 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960 a nice guy. I'm like, what is are you just 832 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,079 like oblivious? What's going on here? That that was such 833 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:58,880 a creepy scene. 834 00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,599 Speaker 1: And it's weird. It's not like they did something where 835 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,320 the criminal pretended he was saying in them all and 836 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,159 they sat on his lap and he was being weird 837 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,880 t him. So that's like transferred over right. They old 838 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,519 like like obviously said like killed his family. That's traumatic, 839 00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,880 but it's not like he had this whole thing of 840 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,440 sand and being like you better not be naughty, like 841 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,159 I guess it's the grandpa said, but it's just again, 842 00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:19,639 I guess that's why they put the grandpa in there, 843 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,559 so he could have these this punished dialogue and tagline. 844 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,639 But yeah, it was He's a very strange scene because 845 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,400 I did not think the adults were that far away 846 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,480 they went. Because even then too, it's not even like 847 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,679 a funny mix up scene where he's saying stuff and 848 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:33,639 you look at him and from the outside looks like 849 00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:37,000 a happy appearance. He looks pretty mad and uncomfortable. So 850 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,039 when the parents say like what Dylan said, they're like, oh, 851 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,000 he's so good with kids. I don't know, but again 852 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:43,599 that's that's that's this movie. 853 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, it just it just felt like really poor 854 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,559 writing on all those scenes is because, as you pointed out, 855 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,280 like the parents are like six feet away, child is 856 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,760 in distress, and he is just being very very odd 857 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,800 handling this child and then goes to the parents like 858 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,719 he's so good of what he does, so like it's 859 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,119 just it just seemed really weird and even the sequence 860 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,920 leading to Billy's first kill, when Buddy is like coercing 861 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,519 this girl to the back of the the it felt 862 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,920 like a porno the type of like writing it was 863 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,000 where it's like I got a gift for you. It's like, 864 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:18,840 oh really, what is it. It's like it's a little 865 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,639 bit further back there. It's like, why can't you just 866 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:21,280 show me here? 867 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,159 Speaker 4: Oh no, it's like trust me. 868 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 3: It's really good. 869 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I trust you. And it's just like, 870 00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,119 holy fuck, this is so bad to watch. Like just 871 00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,000 just fast travel there, like like it would be so 872 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,400 much easier on the eyes, but I have to go 873 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,800 through this just extended scene where yeah, it just they 874 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,159 felt like just NPC characters, like they had no depth 875 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,039 to them at all to like feel like real characters. 876 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,719 And I think that's just it was kind of consistent 877 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,639 throughout like the whole movie where people just seemed really 878 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,559 just just really dumb and like like not real people, 879 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,079 which kind of, yeah, took me out of the story. 880 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: Man, Billy. The fact that you can want arm lift 881 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,480 that guy with the with the Christmas lights like insane, 882 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,719 that's where maybe he does have some uh, you know, 883 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,239 greater powers. Or something, because that was that was an 884 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,880 insane level of strength. I feel like. 885 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: There are some thoughts on Billy's job here in his life. 886 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:19,639 Uh I for it. 887 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,519 Speaker 5: Really it did catch me off guard when they was like, okay, 888 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,239 we need to get a Santa and we threw him 889 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,320 in there was Santa suit. That cracked me up because 890 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,440 I was not expecting it, just after especially spending a 891 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,440 good half hour of just seeing this guy's trauma and turmoil, 892 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,920 and now here he is, he's he's wearing the thing 893 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,880 that he hates. But uh yeah, him working this job 894 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,679 with the toy sore and I just felt like we've 895 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:47,159 seen it a billion times before. It's a simple concept 896 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,599 for them, the sisters and they're like, oh, you know, 897 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:51,639 he needs a job, and the owners like I don't 898 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,079 need a boy, I need a man. 899 00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 4: And then you just see him. 900 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 5: Billy's just in all jacked ory to go smiling, and 901 00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,320 the guy's like, oh, I've always you know, helped to 902 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,239 help the church sister some bullshit like that. And he's 903 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,039 getting bullied here too by this guy. And the owner 904 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:11,280 is just coming in there drunk, like, oh, it's good 905 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,960 to think about your parents on Christmas. 906 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 4: My parents are dead. 907 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. 908 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:15,639 Speaker 4: I forgot. 909 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,039 Speaker 5: It's just such a terrible, terrible acting and it just 910 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:23,039 seems like a very unhealthy workplace to be in. And 911 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,920 I thought he was at first hallucinating that this other 912 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,880 coworker and the girl were getting it on. I thought 913 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,239 it was just some kind of weird dream sequence, but no, 914 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:37,519 they actually were. And the scene where she's like no, stop, no, stop, 915 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,400 like it cuts to them, but she's like like caressing 916 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,239 his body while she's like stop stop, stop, no, this 917 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320 isn't no, no doubt, and yet she's like she's like 918 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,760 fondeling his twig and berries and all this stuff, and 919 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,880 the scene it's just it was. It didn't the actions 920 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,440 didn't sink with the dialogue. 921 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: I wonder if it was always that way, or if 922 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,320 they're like, oh, let's let's make it something more. I 923 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,559 wonder if it was originally just him seeing them getting 924 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,920 on and then he came in there, because I guess 925 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,280 you did stop him, but her reaction. I get why 926 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,760 you might not want someone to murder the other guy, 927 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,159 but it felt like it was like that he was 928 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,199 a complete terrible person, you know, like like like like 929 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,159 he had just been like like he was saving you. 930 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,599 I guess it is murder. I guess he could have 931 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,440 just beat him up. So I don't know how to 932 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,239 handle that situation. Just felt like she was so kind 933 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,159 of comically negative about it. But do you think you 934 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,599 thought the whole time he was turned into the bad guy? 935 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,559 Speaker 5: I mean, it was not something I was expecting, because again, 936 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,360 going in here, I didn't really know what was gonna 937 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,840 go down. 938 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 4: I thought we were gonna get I don't know at 939 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:44,360 what point I was. 940 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,639 Speaker 5: It was before Billy kills, but it was close because 941 00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,280 I was trying to think, Okay, how's this Santa from 942 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,159 the start of the movie gonna come back in They're 943 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:54,599 just saying, I didn't know we're gonna get a time 944 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,199 jump to him being an adult. So when the kids 945 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,800 are all gathered and they're like, oh, Santa's coming to 946 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,719 the orphanage, I thought, oh, we're gonna get that bad 947 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,920 sound coming in here again from the beginning of the movie, 948 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,320 and he's gonna be doing some weird shit again. 949 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,639 Speaker 1: I guess they never said if they did I miss 950 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,119 did they say if they caught that guy? 951 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:14,119 Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever mentioned. It's ten years past, right, 952 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:15,119 and then we don't see him again. 953 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: So I guess that's what that remake sounds like it 954 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,920 is right where it's like the time passes and this 955 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,920 guy's gonna find the guy kills his parents that go 956 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,280 after him, So it's that version of it. But yeah, 957 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,559 that is very much a layup what you could have done, 958 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,400 But now they just want him to be the killer, 959 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,360 I guess, and take off these people. What she did, 960 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,039 he took out many. I read it was a body 961 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,199 count of fourteen people. 962 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: So fourteen, Yeah, that seems like more than Count that 963 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,159 out for me. 964 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 4: Count that out for me. 965 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,159 Speaker 1: I'll get the trivia just going down because there's the 966 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,920 all four coworkers, right, because he kills the boss with 967 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,639 the axe or whatever, and then he snipes the lady 968 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:51,719 with African poet. 969 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh, I'll pull it up. 970 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,599 Speaker 1: I wonder if the couple on the pool table. I 971 00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,320 could be wrong there, but even then. 972 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 5: If it's a whole got six, one cop is seven, 973 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,639 one of the bullies is eight, and then who else. 974 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 3: Does he get anyone at the chirt, at the orphanage 975 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:13,960 at the. 976 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 4: End, just the cop, that's all he gets. 977 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,559 Speaker 3: Nothing inside? 978 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: Right the count? Did they count the deaf. 979 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,039 Speaker 5: Indirect see that hence my nickname. That fucking cracked me up. 980 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: That line, it just says body count. So I was wrong. 981 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,920 Body count? What was the whole movie? So I was wrong? 982 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,159 Speaker 3: Okay, that was that's if you include the other Santa 983 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,639 and Billy dying as makes sense. 984 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so it was nine people murdered in total by Billy. 985 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,880 Uh yeah, so there. 986 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,199 Speaker 2: He killed the deaf guy, Taylor, the deaf guy. 987 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 5: Yeah when when so I can buy that. Okay, it's 988 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,400 the fake Santa. They're setting up that that that kind 989 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,480 of hanging. 990 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 4: Catch there or whatever. 991 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,599 Speaker 5: So it's just it's just how quickly the dialogue was 992 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400 when the captain, the police captain's talking, what do you 993 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,760 mean doesn't match the description? 994 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,559 Speaker 4: And she's like, oh no, every year it's Father Albert. 995 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,960 He comes in justice a Sanna. He's like, well, my 996 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,159 guy said that he told him to stop moving. Well 997 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:10,800 he's deaf. 998 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:18,119 Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god, he couldn't hear so so 999 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920 poorly written. I mean it works, but oh my god, 1000 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:21,679 it was terrible. 1001 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,199 Speaker 2: There's like no repercussion either, Like the cop just murders 1002 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,119 this guy and then he's like, well, you know, we 1003 00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,000 got to catch this guy, and they like nobody makes 1004 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,320 a deal about it at all, Like there's no talk 1005 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,360 of oh my god, I can't believe I took him 1006 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,000 out other than like I guess the one non lady 1007 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,920 like mother superior kind of confronting him. But yeah he 1008 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,679 I mean, he didn't live past that day, but if 1009 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,159 he did, I don't think he would have lost any 1010 00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:49,840 sleep over murdering that incident. 1011 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 5: Man just not just a man, but a priest murdered 1012 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,320 a priest in front of. 1013 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,119 Speaker 2: The children too, Like. 1014 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: What a day for they see too, Sanna's done gunned 1015 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,840 down in one day, you know, the first one, which 1016 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,280 they save a mistake with him. Later on, Billy comes 1017 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,280 back from another superior and he gets gunned down as well, 1018 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440 so like that orphange has to shut down those kids 1019 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,679 obviously get the line being with Billy's brother of naughty 1020 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760 when he looked at the superior, it's like, okay, they 1021 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,519 did that to set the sequel, which you know what 1022 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,400 they did get he was in the sequel, So there 1023 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,360 you go. But yeah, those kids got to be really 1024 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,559 truly messed up by the end of this film. 1025 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. Going back to the house with the young couple, 1026 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,400 you know, on the on the pool table and all 1027 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,039 that crazy What do you think was going through Billy's 1028 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,800 head when he's he's thinking about like killing this kid, 1029 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,440 it seems like. And then he switches it and he's like, Okay, 1030 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,519 I have a gift for you now, because you have 1031 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,519 said multiple times that you're a good girl. And he 1032 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,119 gives her the bloody box cutter. 1033 00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:57,519 Speaker 1: I guess. 1034 00:45:57,639 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 3: Is that just like the only thing he had in 1035 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,239 his pocket? I guess. So he's like, well, I guess 1036 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,480 this is the one gift option. 1037 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 2: You never got a bloody box cutter for Christmas? Still, 1038 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440 and come on, if I did, I must have blanked 1039 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,719 it out. 1040 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, all each other? Oh another bloody box cutter again. No, 1041 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,360 I think he just wanted to pass it on. I 1042 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239 think he wanted her to join him. 1043 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,599 Speaker 4: He didn't want to just frames her. 1044 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah you say it, but he's like he's still in 1045 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,079 his moment, he's still eighteen. Like in theory, he's gonna 1046 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,559 keep doing this forever, right, But. 1047 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: That's what me. He just wants her to join, like, 1048 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,880 just come along, tell you a long just like I 1049 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,800 guess because the killer didn't give him that. That's the 1050 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,639 weird thing, right, I think I would have maybe liked 1051 00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:39,960 it better if the night happens, his parents got killed 1052 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,960 and that killer finds the kid, but instead of killing Billy, 1053 00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,159 he gives them that knife kind of way to mess 1054 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,800 him up, Like I'm gonna let you live with this, 1055 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,920 So there gonna be a good parallel there of Oh, 1056 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,639 he's kind of passing on this this evil, this grotesqueness, 1057 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,039 but it it's just I don't know, I guess it's 1058 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:57,679 just yeah, that's what he had in his pocket. But 1059 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,480 that's how I took it. He was just trying to 1060 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,400 like include her in it, and she could she she 1061 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,920 could kill her own people down the line, you know, 1062 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,599 which I didn't hear. Is in any of this equals 1063 00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:07,440 I don't think it worked out. 1064 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 3: So I see, I see, yeah, uh going on. 1065 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 2: Forgot to shout it out earlier. But the seven to 1066 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,519 eleven guy, he gave him thirty one bucks because after 1067 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,800 after he murders this guy, which seemed very sudden and 1068 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,519 as if he just went in there to murder him, 1069 00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,920 not actually take the money. He goes out there, oh 1070 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,159 that for thirty one dollars, and then he's just upset, 1071 00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,400 like this guy is just evil as evil can get 1072 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,400 like he is just going out killing people, not trying 1073 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,760 to pay bills or anything or like payoff debts, Like 1074 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,119 he just looked for murders. 1075 00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: But maybe he is still because he was upset about 1076 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,920 the money, right, like thirty one bucks, Like that reminds 1077 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,800 me of when you're playing GTA and you you know, 1078 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,000 get a five star. He robson and it's just all 1079 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,039 twelve dollars, Like what the fuck is this? But why 1080 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,719 would he care about the three one bucks? Maybe he 1081 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,440 isn't a little bit of debt, you know, maybe that's 1082 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,199 what he's doing. 1083 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,519 Speaker 3: I mean, justin for inflation. Maybe it was like maybe 1084 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,360 he's like sixty bucks to day or whatever. But it's 1085 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,599 like still not what you want to see. 1086 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,679 Speaker 1: It's not a lot. 1087 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,559 Speaker 3: If you're gonna go through all that trouble, you're hoping 1088 00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:10,239 you get a little bit more money out of that. Yeah. 1089 00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1090 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,119 Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier, the end of the movie, like 1091 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,280 pretty much after he takes out the couple, he throws 1092 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,039 the you know, throws the one girl up on the antlers, 1093 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,800 kills her there, and then chucks the guy out the 1094 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,519 window to kill him. And then I feel like that 1095 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,679 the movie after that point just that's when he gets 1096 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,519 to like the really slow pace because he's just kind 1097 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,599 of like on the run and they're trying to find him. 1098 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:34,639 But it's not like some big, high octane like action. 1099 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,440 It's just like super duper slow, but not in like 1100 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,599 a good horror way of building the suspense. It's just like, 1101 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:42,639 I don't know, like they ran out of steam or 1102 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,719 something like, we don't have any ideas, but we still 1103 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,400 you know, we're still not feature length film. We it 1104 00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,599 is a bit longer to put this in theaters or something, 1105 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,360 So I don't know what happened there, but I feel 1106 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,119 like the movie probably could have thrown in like a 1107 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,519 whole other sequence of him going to some other house 1108 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,880 and it would have made as much sense as the 1109 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,719 house with the babysitters, because like that had no connection 1110 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,960 to anything else other than I guess him doing like 1111 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,760 the little box cut her hand off. But now that 1112 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,039 that's like a meaningful thing. 1113 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,559 Speaker 1: You guys were talking about the victims, did you bring 1114 00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,039 up the slow the snowsltter people. 1115 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh yeah, that I totally forgot about that scene. 1116 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in between between him the church's guy's Bob 1117 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,280 sled it and then I'll go down first, he goes down. 1118 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719 He's winning for his buddy, and his buddy comes down. 1119 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 4: Of course, I was so good and he's just. 1120 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,079 Speaker 3: And then like the head rolls down the hill. I 1121 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,239 totally blanked on that scene. That's crazy, So take it back. 1122 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,920 There was a whole other scene, but it was much 1123 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,679 slower pace. 1124 00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: Very short though. It was just like gett another killing there. 1125 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 5: So so that end when he comes to the door 1126 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,719 with that the babysitter, the chick and what on, the 1127 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,280 two people on the pool table and she's upstairs. So 1128 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,039 that scene when she closes the door and then it's 1129 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,920 right when like the door smashes. He's like, gosh, that's 1130 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,800 a quick cut. And it's the same thing when this 1131 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,519 bully's going down on sled and you know what's coming 1132 00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:02,440 because the score the. 1133 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:05,199 Speaker 4: Music completely stops and it's quiet. 1134 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,519 Speaker 5: And as he's like going down brush and yeah, just 1135 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,519 the head's fucking decapitated. And this that cracked me up. 1136 00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:13,039 And I guess they did to get him with the cop. 1137 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,960 They supped the music again, and he's like he's just 1138 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,719 every fucking time his code word. 1139 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: They should uh, they should give this me the birth 1140 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,119 noll and be like you should start you start saying 1141 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,199 this and the punisher, you know, like anytime, maybe he 1142 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,719 was inspired by this. He could just yell. 1143 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,280 Speaker 4: Who's winning punisher or Billy Santa the. 1144 00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,079 Speaker 2: Ship of the fucking box Cutter. 1145 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,599 Speaker 1: This guy is like he's not even like a like 1146 00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:43,840 a Sea tier villain. He's like a guy that Frank 1147 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920 just kills all the way to get King Ben. You know. 1148 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 3: But we want to put this guy in the wheel though, 1149 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,800 for the next Geek versus. 1150 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,519 Speaker 1: Versus on it. Yeah, we usually take fan request, but 1151 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:54,199 next year. 1152 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,119 Speaker 3: For the ge make sure you put that in there. 1153 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,599 Speaker 1: We'll put Billy in there. And people also remember here. 1154 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,000 But yeah, from Silent Night, Deadly Night, because uh yeah, 1155 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,320 he lose to many people, but I'm sure there's somebody 1156 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:06,800 he would get. 1157 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,079 Speaker 2: I think he would lose to Prime Mother Superior, you know, 1158 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,639 like when when she's not old and frail, her with 1159 00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,280 the belt. I feel like she could take him out. 1160 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,519 Speaker 3: Maybe. Yeah, yeah, just put a key hole in front 1161 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,760 of him. He'll get distracted and then she can come 1162 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,000 in there. 1163 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 2: The little horn dog. 1164 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I had was just that the 1165 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,320 montage when he got his job was all grown up, 1166 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,960 which is very like Kitty. It was just like just 1167 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,519 cheap eighties music, Like he's doing this and he's waving 1168 00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,079 to people just like, you know, best life ever. And 1169 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,159 you know, obviously it wasn't because. 1170 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,559 Speaker 5: They pulled the banner out with Santa and he was 1171 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,800 just fucking scattering at it. 1172 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 2: He just got his sad face on. He's like, man, 1173 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,079 just fucking get a different job, Like, like, job. 1174 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,519 Speaker 4: Is the job? 1175 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 2: Aren't really this bad that you have to dress up? 1176 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,559 Is the one thing you have? Like PTSD from murdered 1177 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:01,639 your whole family. I guess it's the eighties. 1178 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: You know. 1179 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's harder you can't just go work at 1180 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,320 a tim Ortons or something, but fucked like anything else. 1181 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,039 Speaker 1: Well and honestly too, like you're talking about the eighties 1182 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,960 they I feel like even now, it's still taking a 1183 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,760 lot of time to talk about mental health and oppression 1184 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,599 and all this stuff. Right like before she's like, oh 1185 00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:20,280 walk it off, kid, Right where now, I feel like 1186 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920 we're getting more of a concept. I think most people 1187 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,519 are getting more of a concept of oh, yeah, these 1188 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:25,880 are things that can be really hard in your life, 1189 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,679 and there's way so you can treat them, whether they're 1190 00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,679 with friends or medically or a therapist, whatever it may be. 1191 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,760 But even in the a'es, I still think i'd understand, 1192 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,559 and especially too, I feel like the boss that he had, 1193 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,480 Like obviously there's the guy that he doesn't like, but 1194 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,159 his boss boss seems like a nice enough guy who went, 1195 00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:43,880 you know what, my parents were murdered by a guy 1196 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,119 out of Santa Clau costume, And I just I don't 1197 00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:48,239 feel the grace about it because why couldn't the other 1198 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,880 guy Maybe I miss this, why couldn't the other guy 1199 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,880 address up a sunda the guy that was a dickhead right? 1200 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,599 Speaker 2: In no sense? 1201 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure he was. 1202 00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 3: I guess he was the superior and they deemed that 1203 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,880 to be like a lower. 1204 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,119 Speaker 1: I guess so. But that's what it's like. I I 1205 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:02,079 just feel like with this character they showed us, this 1206 00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,079 boss seem nice enough that if you just say, hey, 1207 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,519 this really bad thing happened to me, I'd prefer not. 1208 00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,079 I'll see. Our character is a bit more of a 1209 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,320 rec loose, but uh yeah, I know he put on 1210 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,760 that costume. It was just a traumatic because the thing too, 1211 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,800 they showed that line. There's a lot of kids, It's like, 1212 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,440 was every kid just like you? Better be better. Like 1213 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,280 it must have been a long, really long day for him. 1214 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,679 You know that the drinking and then seeing the girl 1215 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,639 make out with the other guy just send him over 1216 00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:26,559 the edge. 1217 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 3: And then is it like, is the same night when 1218 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,840 he goes on like the rest of the rampage or 1219 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,559 is that like day later? No, I think so, because 1220 00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:36,639 that's like one of the longest days anyone's ever had. 1221 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:41,079 Speaker 2: I feel like, not a silent night either, put. 1222 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,199 Speaker 3: In at least in eight hours in doing a job 1223 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,639 you don't want to do, co work, you know, work party, 1224 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:51,719 kill various people. Yeah, that's quite the night. 1225 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: I just say, Oh, he got a pretty I'll say, 1226 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,199 like easy death, Like he just got shot a couple 1227 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,960 times and passed away. You know, I was kind of 1228 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440 surprised he didn't get like a meteor thing. I know 1229 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,679 we're supposed to feel somewhat bad for this character, but 1230 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,599 once he just popped off and started killing completely inocent people, 1231 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,400 I never really felt bad for Billy ever. Again, I 1232 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,000 think there is a movie you could do this in 1233 00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,239 a way where you don't want to like Joker, right 1234 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,119 where Arthur's doing these things. You saw the person he was, 1235 00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:17,519 and you feel bad, but it gets to the point 1236 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:19,760 where like, oh man, he's just too far gone. I 1237 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,000 can't trust this guy and I can't root for him. 1238 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,239 But like I never was really rooty, Like once he 1239 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,280 killed this like the girl that he liked, It's like, 1240 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,760 why am supposed root for this guy at all? Just 1241 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,239 because she was a little rude or wasn't itself. And 1242 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,159 he said, there's a way to do this, but maybe 1243 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:33,960 walk in Phoenix. He can be in the third remake 1244 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,599 when they get there. 1245 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:36,280 Speaker 3: You know, I could see him doing Billy. 1246 00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: I could definitely see him doing a billy anything else 1247 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:41,960 before we do some trivia here. 1248 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm noteless, I got less. 1249 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,639 Speaker 1: Got nothing. Okay. So this had a budget of seven 1250 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,039 hundred and fifty million, and it made a box office 1251 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:53,079 a two point five million, which is pretty good considering 1252 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:54,519 when I'm out to tell you in a second about 1253 00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:57,159 being pulled from the theaters. But yeah, pretty good. They 1254 00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,480 did put out a second one in a limited release 1255 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,239 that I had a budget of two fifty and one fifty. 1256 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,800 So then after that just became as straight to DVD 1257 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,840 or VHS franchise at the time. So it opened the 1258 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,360 same weekend as Nightmare on Elm Street and briefly outgrows 1259 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,960 the film by one hundred and sixty one thousand dollars. 1260 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,360 Oh sorry, I I mentioned thirty one dollars back then 1261 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,440 to now is ninety six dollars. 1262 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,039 Speaker 2: Sold three shots to the head for that guy. 1263 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: Pretty good fight. For seven eleven, the film was playing 1264 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,800 in more than twice the theaters as Nightmare was. By 1265 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,119 the second weekend, sales dropped about forty five percent, probably 1266 00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,400 because the release of this film was picketed by angry 1267 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,159 parents who were not happy to see Santa Claus depicted 1268 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,079 as an axe murderer, despite the fact that the Tales 1269 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,320 of the Crypt move from nineteen seventy two had done 1270 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,360 the exact same thing twelve years earlier. And I guess 1271 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,599 there's also a movie called Christmas Evil that did the 1272 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,280 same thing where there was a killer of Santa So 1273 00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,079 I guess the producer and directors were like, people have 1274 00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:56,719 done this before, Like why now? But I guess it 1275 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,559 was just at a time. As a result, box office 1276 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,119 receipts plummeted once the film was pulled from theaters after 1277 00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,119 barely two weeks. The film was shelved for another year 1278 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:08,199 before He was released on VHS uncut which has since 1279 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,039 gone out of print. So yeah, I guess that's what 1280 00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,159 happened where And like, obviously, nowadays we talk about theatrical 1281 00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:14,599 window and all this stuff where it's like, oh, if 1282 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:16,760 your film bombs, that's it. You had about seventeen days, 1283 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,800 maybe fourteen, and that's it. But this is a time 1284 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,000 where it's like films played for a while, it takes 1285 00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:22,920 a while to get the vhs. Just imagine that that 1286 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,599 market where you're used to seeing a movie in the theaters, 1287 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,480 it's maybe there for three four months. Your movie's only 1288 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,360 there for two weeks. That's that's crazy, you know. So 1289 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,960 two point five million, with all's controversy, with the budget, 1290 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,280 pretty pretty darn good for what happened. All the film's 1291 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,880 TV ads were pulled off networks because the trailer was 1292 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,639 showing Santa carry acts. This motivated parents to protest the film, 1293 00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:46,360 resulting of being Yeah, already talked about all the ink 1294 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,360 death theater. So it just sounds like people decided this 1295 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239 film was gonna crup the kids, and they were hitting 1296 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,159 it everywhere. TV stations, movie theaters, like everywhere. They're like, 1297 00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,960 you cannot be playing Silent Night, Deadly Night. So I 1298 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239 kind of got like a big cult falling there, so 1299 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,320 let's see, so who's mother superior? The actress admitted it 1300 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,360 was a mistake the center of the film's campaign on 1301 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,599 Santa Claus, and believed it would generate farthest controversy if 1302 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:16,199 the studio had focused on Billy's psychological aspect. The the 1303 00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,800 guy who played Billy, Robert Brian Wilson, said he felt 1304 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,400 ashamed by the controversy, so he told his friends and 1305 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280 family to avoid seeing the film. Years later, after teny 1306 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,599 or three anniversary's screening and meeting the fans here Versus Stance, 1307 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,760 Wilson has since made appearances horror conventions and given interviews 1308 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,559 about his work on the film. At the time when 1309 00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,280 this was got released, the whole crew thought the religious 1310 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,239 aspect was what was going to get them in trouble, 1311 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,119 and they thought nothing about the Santa Claus that got 1312 00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:44,000 all this stuff with the church and the noun like 1313 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,280 people are gonna push back on that, so we gotta 1314 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,719 be ready, not at all. 1315 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,599 Speaker 2: People didn't care at all about that. Normal, yeah, not 1316 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:53,199 doing this. 1317 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 1: There was six minutes edited out of the film to 1318 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,199 avoid it X rating, reducing the run time to from 1319 00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:01,599 eighty five minutes to seventy nine minutes, So yeah, it 1320 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,599 was a so what about Yeah six minutes longer. 1321 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 3: Seventh pair of tits is what put it over the 1322 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,400 edge of the X rating. So they hadn't made that. 1323 00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,559 Speaker 1: I I hadn't read this. The cut scenes include a 1324 00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:14,719 few extra character beats and some more gory shots. Let's 1325 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,880 see some of the missing footage from the Blue ray. Yeah, 1326 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,159 so it sounds like it's just more kills and whatnot. 1327 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 3: It's kind of surprised, like, I don't know, I feel 1328 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,719 like people get shot in the head, heads, getting decapitated, 1329 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,159 getting stepped through antlers, a lot of boobs. I don't 1330 00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:31,760 think there's a lot of swearing in the movie, if 1331 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,960 I remember. 1332 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: Like too much, a couple couple f bombs and dann. 1333 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:38,719 Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like they probably got would have 1334 00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:40,559 got the highest rating anyway, I would have thought with this, 1335 00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:41,119 but maybe not. 1336 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,599 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I guess whatever those maybe I wonder like, 1337 00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:45,280 even with the antler kills scene, if that was a 1338 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,639 bit more grotesque. 1339 00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:47,639 Speaker 3: Well usually it's like blood too is a big one. 1340 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:49,239 There's a lot of blood in this movie as well. Yeah, 1341 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,440 red splatter everywhere. 1342 00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,119 Speaker 1: I wonder what the antlers if like guts were popping 1343 00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,079 out or something like that, you know, in the original 1344 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:56,840 cut and stuff. So I don't know, I'm not gonna 1345 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,840 seek out the six minutes. 1346 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 2: But they used a crucifix, they used the religious object. 1347 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,199 Speaker 1: That's not good. Many kill scenes were directed by the 1348 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,599 editor Michael Spence. Do the director Charlie Seller, being uncomfortable 1349 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:13,079 with hindering handling gore heavy parts of the film. 1350 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,159 Speaker 3: Uh, how did this guy get hired. 1351 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: The film? Which this is a sad say, and the 1352 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,880 film's controversy led to Charles Seller. The guy just talked 1353 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,119 about having a difficult time finding work as director, forcing 1354 00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:27,760 him to retire from filmmaking and focus on producing instead. 1355 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,920 So I think he made like a film or two 1356 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,960 after but it sounded like after this, like no one 1357 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,280 would touch him. And it's not like nowadays where something 1358 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,079 happens and you kind of go away for a little 1359 00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:37,880 bit and then work your way up. Just sound like 1360 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,199 you kind of put an analyst career. So it's kind 1361 00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:42,280 of unfortunate. But yeah, that's an odd fit right where 1362 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,360 why would he do that? But I guess that still 1363 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,719 happens today, but definitely in the seventies eighties there's tons 1364 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,880 of people that directed movies just because the studios like, 1365 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,599 we need a director, this will get you credit, here's 1366 00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,280 some money, and go. So he probably got stuck with 1367 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,920 The Silent Night, Deadly Knight. They're pitching all this stuff, okay, sure, 1368 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,199 and then poor guy, this movie comes out and his 1369 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,920 careers is fucking over because they hate the movie he made. 1370 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:05,960 So yeah, I hope. I don't know. I don't think 1371 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,719 he's alive anymore, but I hope. Uh, I hope near 1372 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,920 the end fans found him and whatnot. But so where 1373 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480 was this? In an audio interview with the director with Fangoria, 1374 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,760 the director stayed many times that this film was based 1375 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,320 on a book called Sleigh Ride by Paul Camey. In reality, 1376 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,039 there was no such book. Paul Camey, then a student 1377 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,880 at Harvard, submitted a script to the producers of the 1378 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,719 film that had a line about a killer Sanna. The 1379 01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:33,119 producers of the film expanded upon that single idea to 1380 01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:35,599 make this film and wanted to give the writer credit. 1381 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:38,039 They gave him a story by credit. So for many 1382 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,400 for like a bunch of like leading up to this film, 1383 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,920 like yeah, it was based on a story, based on 1384 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,239 the story It was just some guy in Harvard that 1385 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,960 wrote like a couple of lines down like oh what 1386 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,440 about this movie? And then they bought it, made a 1387 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,280 whole movie and then gave him the story by credit. 1388 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,760 So there you go. So there's your tributa for Night 1389 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,360 Deadly Night. So a lot it was just more just 1390 01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,519 controversial stuff. But uh, who wants who wants their rates 1391 01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,800 film first? He wants to take a stab at this, 1392 01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:03,559 you know, m. 1393 01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:12,119 Speaker 2: Oh think I'll take a swing here. I'm gonna fail 1394 01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,119 this movie, but just barely. I think I'm gonna give 1395 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,559 it like a four point eight. I think if they 1396 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,760 just did a better job at like connecting some of 1397 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,559 the tissue of like the intending incident with Billy, of 1398 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,079 like what just fucked him up to like actually tying 1399 01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,239 maybe even just that villain to him a little bit more, 1400 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,840 or the grandpa a little bit more. It just it 1401 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,679 almost felt to me like it was like an evil 1402 01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,199 dead thing. He got the he got cursed by the 1403 01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:41,079 necronomicon and then he just became Sanna, and like I 1404 01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:45,920 just needed a little bit more of like seeing that progression, 1405 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,960 I think, and like I actually think it would have 1406 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,199 been pretty damn solid if that part of the film 1407 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,320 was just a little bit buttoned up. We still would 1408 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,840 have had some terrible dialogue, still had had some some 1409 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,760 titties in there for the sake of having titties. But like, 1410 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,920 I think, just actually doing a better job with our 1411 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,360 main Billy because we are felt like we're following him 1412 01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,480 throughout his whole life. This is this is something that 1413 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,280 has cursed him his whole life of just every Christmas 1414 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,199 dealing with the sand of thing. And I just think, yeah, 1415 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,599 if we cleaned up just just the story around him specifically, 1416 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,360 this could have been significantly better. I'm a little bit 1417 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,800 curious if, like the other ones do that. I like, 1418 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,679 I'm not gonna go watch them, but like maybe I'll 1419 01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:28,119 just check out like the ratings, Like see what like 1420 01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:28,920 the general. 1421 01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Audience year people, you can put a number two if 1422 01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:31,920 you want. 1423 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,239 Speaker 2: Could be a Golden Geeks contenter who knows Night Deadly 1424 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:34,920 Night for this year. 1425 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 3: We could be Halloween retro, could be a Christmas retro. 1426 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 2: It could fit many categories. But uh yeah, I not 1427 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,159 enough in here to pass. This one just just didn't 1428 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:48,800 really make a lot of sense at at various stages. 1429 01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:52,599 But yeah, no, there you go. 1430 01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:56,559 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take the mirror image of kirkland score. I'll 1431 01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,960 go with the five point two to balance out a 1432 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,280 nice ten between the two of us. I for me, 1433 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,639 this is definitely a pass because I had a fun 1434 01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:07,639 time watching the movie. But obviously, you know, it's very 1435 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,199 easy to nitpick all the issues that has, but I 1436 01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:13,119 just feel like it's me. It doesn't have a bad 1437 01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,480 story because it tried and failed. I just don't think 1438 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,440 it tried to have a good story at all. It 1439 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,480 like kind of no, it staged in its lane for 1440 01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:22,599 the most part. I guess is where I'm at with it. 1441 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,519 And yeah, I had a fun time watching it, and 1442 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,159 obviously the end kind of dragged a bit, but like 1443 01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,719 for the most part, it kind of you know, respected 1444 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,320 my time for the most part, And yeah, I will 1445 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,440 I watch it again. Know would I like it less 1446 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,320 every time I watched it? 1447 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:37,679 Speaker 1: Likely? 1448 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 3: Yes, But for today, in the one view, I'm happy, 1449 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,360 nice little five point two. I'm on my way see 1450 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,079 you next see it never, I guess, but yeah, I'm 1451 01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,159 happy with this. It's a good five point two. 1452 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's definitely gonna be a pass, 1453 01:03:56,039 --> 01:04:01,960 but not by much. I'm probably gonna go maybe a 1454 01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,320 five point five. I'm not quite at that six. 1455 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,320 Speaker 4: I feel like six is being a bit too generous. 1456 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,400 And I just think. 1457 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,559 Speaker 5: Without rush the beginning was I was there for the 1458 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,559 comedic aspect of it, but entertainment wise, it just doesn't 1459 01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,639 have enough to really rope me in or pull me in. 1460 01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:21,400 And I felt like there wasn't really any kind of 1461 01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:24,119 come up a's with. I mean, you guys already talked 1462 01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:32,360 about superior and just her being the source, no more 1463 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,639 like a secondary source of just the causation for him 1464 01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:39,239 being so traumatized and just punished, punished and naughty and naughty, 1465 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,519 and then she she just survives. She's just there at 1466 01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:43,159 the end, she closed her eyes, she was ready to 1467 01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:45,039 take it, you know, just that act to the head, 1468 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:49,039 and she didn't. The captain obviously saves her. But yeah, 1469 01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:52,599 I just think that they did not highlight much. They 1470 01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:55,039 didn't give us much development with the characters, and really 1471 01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,280 just comes down to Billy just being abused and then 1472 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,880 abusing and murdering other people. Well that's that's basically it 1473 01:05:02,039 --> 01:05:04,559 for a story. There's nothing else to really pull from it. 1474 01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:08,079 But it's it's definitely a funny thing to kind of 1475 01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:11,760 break down and and talk about because it is so 1476 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,920 wacky and zany, and I wouldn't allot it with the 1477 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,760 other kind of eighties seventies horror movies. 1478 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,000 Speaker 4: I think there's definitely other ones. 1479 01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,599 Speaker 5: While they're all very cheesy, there's other ones that I 1480 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:25,360 would just prioritize more because I'm definitely biased in that regard. 1481 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,679 But yeah, that being said, there's enough steam here though 1482 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,199 that I've passed it, and enough steam here that I'm 1483 01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,119 curious what the second one is like. And now that 1484 01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:38,480 I know the brother is doing the second and the third, 1485 01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,320 that's just that's nuts. So I got to know what kind. 1486 01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Of story a couple of times. 1487 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,639 Speaker 4: But oh, of course, yeah, he's like. 1488 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,039 Speaker 1: A different actor in three, different actor in. 1489 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:48,280 Speaker 4: Four what's his name? 1490 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,039 Speaker 5: In Friday thirteen he gets Frea Yes, yeah, Billy gets 1491 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:54,400 or Tommy yeah, no, Billy. 1492 01:05:54,800 --> 01:06:01,079 Speaker 4: The crossover we don't don't need. Yeah, So there you go. 1493 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say five. I think enjoyment level like 1494 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,079 just for oh Man shots and giggles, wild movie. I'm 1495 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,119 not gonna seven, like somewhere in there, like I had 1496 01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:14,639 a good time watching this, didn't feel like the slog 1497 01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:18,159 I've watched much worse things on that aspect where okay, 1498 01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:21,119 story is not great, there's not like anything really to 1499 01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:23,400 write home as far as visuals or anything, and then 1500 01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:25,360 it just sucks overall, where at least I had a 1501 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,039 good time and this was fun outrageous. But I'd say 1502 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:29,880 as a film, I'm gonna go right out of five, 1503 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,719 I'm gonna pass it for I'll give it that it 1504 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,599 had a while from point A to point B. There's 1505 01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:42,360 some fun kills in there. It wasn't too long, I guess, 1506 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,320 but yeah, I guess I still have seen worse, but 1507 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,760 it's just, yeah, I think a more pass for just 1508 01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:51,320 some of the I guess risks they took at that time, 1509 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,960 but I didn't even know if they were ly well 1510 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,320 clearly clearly they were risks as the film got pulled, 1511 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,039 So I guess I will say for the risks they 1512 01:06:58,039 --> 01:06:59,320 took it that time, but they didn't even know what 1513 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,400 was gonna happen. So yeah, no, I that's all put 1514 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,239 I'll put it. I'll put out of five. I would 1515 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,159 not even hate, like this is a movie. If I 1516 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,880 was watching with like if you hadn't seen it, I 1517 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,000 would ease like, oh, we should put this on and 1518 01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:12,880 I think you could have a good time with it, 1519 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,039 so uh yeah, I wouldn't be completely opposed to whether 1520 01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:18,320 it's a Halloween or the Christmas of someone puts in 1521 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,039 the sequel and seeing again, it's not like something that Okay, 1522 01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:24,079 I saw that, I can kiss that goodbye. Now. Granted, 1523 01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:26,440 I'm not gonna seek it out without that. I'm not 1524 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,519 like Taylor kind of dying. You know what might happen next. 1525 01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,360 But hey, the brother coming on as a killer that 1526 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,320 that sounds like a good enough sequel. That's a good time. 1527 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,880 But yeah, I had a fun enough time here, got 1528 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,400 some giggles, got some laughs, and I'm happy to check 1529 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,199 it off because it's like a little piece of history. 1530 01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:42,519 I had no idea, and but I will actually, because 1531 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,000 I do like the actor. I will watch the remake 1532 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:47,000 of this when that gets to good. So I'll watch 1533 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:49,440 the remake because, like I said before, I do think 1534 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,400 there's stories and aspects here and things that you can 1535 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,159 continue on to make a great thing. And it's funny. 1536 01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:57,840 I forgot to say this when I was saying making 1537 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,119 my Terrified comparisons on the It's like from the team 1538 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:03,599 that bought you Terrifier two and three so I feel 1539 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,719 like with that being gory, this is only going to 1540 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,800 be terrified gory. But I think this new one is 1541 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,559 gonna be even deadly er. So yeah, I'll check it 1542 01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,039 out at some point. But there you go. This is Jemen. 1543 01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:17,199 That is your Christmas retrospective for twenty twenty five. Definitely 1544 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,840 probably the darkest Christmas move we've done. And yeah, we'll 1545 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,159 be back next year, just in case. This could be 1546 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:24,920 for the main feed, This could be the last time 1547 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,720 you're hearing from us, because usually we released this last 1548 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,479 episode between I don't know, I don't know if it's 1549 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,880 not have a good Christmas, a new year, all that stuff, 1550 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,680 just in case to cover our bases. So yeah, and 1551 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,239 next time we talk to you won't be boring. 1552 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 4: Bye bye bye. 1553 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,399 Speaker 1: If I can find the end stream button here, there 1554 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:42,760 we go.