Speaker 1: Ab repeat, Hello, ladies and gentlemen, unhappy holidays. We are
here for once again your annual Christmas retrospective. I am
the keyhole peeper Tress. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am Punish Garls, I am the Filthy Devil Dylan Muss,
I'm the deaf Taylor Field, yes Ley's Joe.
Speaker 1: We are here because every year, what we do for
I guess we do it for multiple things, but the
two kind of I don't know standards, the two type
of ones that have I have to look when we
started this, but I just know the video game retro sorry,
the video game movie retrospective, and then the Christmas retrospective.
Oh and Halloween the right, those are the three. That's
the trinity of retrospectives that every year since I don't
know many past five six years may COVID. I feel
like COVID made is when we started doing that stuff
because we were doing lots of retros and that kind
of stuck. And what we do every year for those three,
like we're talking about with Christmas, we throw it to
the patrons. We throw it to all the patriots, the
thrown submissions, and then we leave it to the patreon
producer to do the actual voting. It was close between
this and the two thousand and one gringe, So maybe
that will make a return next year. But this year
we're not talking about a Jim Carry classic. We're not
talking about a movie that I think I can say
that none of us have seen before, which I think
is pretty rare on a retrospective. Awestly review movies all
the times that we haven't seen, but for retross, I
think there's always someone that's seen it or seen bits
and pieces of it. But I think this is a
fully fresh, just completely new retrospective and review you're getting here.
We are reviewing the nineteen eighty four I won't say classic,
but very controversial Silent Night, Deadly Night, which Maddy did
put in. So Mattie Saig shouting to him, Maddie gotta
come back on after night. He says, his work schedule, whatnot.
We got our last after nine the year soon, Mattie,
we missed it. You haven't been one since like February.
It's been a long time, Razer, so I hope you're
doing well. But he put it in there because if
people are interested in they like this, and I have
a bit of the history after the fact when we
get to trivia. But the remake for this film is
coming out this week at the time we're recording for
the patrons. Off if your patrons you get this episode early,
and then in a couple of weeks near Christmas, everybody
else gets on the main feeds. But at this point
I guess it would have been out. But yeah, there is
a twenty twenty five remake that is about to release
in the next few days there, so if you have
any interest, there you go. But yeah, Dylan Muss, what
are your thoughts on Silent Night, Deadly Night? What did
you expect going on? Did you hear? Obviously you pull
up a movie, you see the poster, you might see
those synopsis, like, what do you mean do you expect
if you hadn't seen this before? Because I think, I
guess I'll get that way. No one has seen this, right,
it's all fresh for correct okay audio podcast. But that's okay.
They said, yes, fresh felt I used words.
Speaker 3: I used the podcast words. I I mean, I think
you said something about it. You were like, oh, this
is a controversial movie. It was like a Santa Killer thing.
So that's I think the only thing I knew about
it going in is whatever you specifically told me. Otherwise
I had no idea what was going on? Ever heard
of this one? Didn't realize because yeah, I saw like
there was an one, because I thought I saw that
it came out last year. But I guess that was
like when it came on. Festivals are stupid. It's always
hard to find I think the things. Yeah, so yeah,
this was a fresh viewing for me. And my god,
what a freaking movie. This was one of the strangest
movies we've ever reviewed. Retrospective cover at all. I want
to say, Maddie, like you're cut off, like after submitting this,
like no more, buddy, like you you've gone too far.
Speaker 1: He'd been in the same time movie he'd never see.
He just put it in there because the remaking that
would be fun. And he's like, oh so he had
no idea.
Speaker 3: Hey, I, Maddie, you need to watch this as well.
Then I feel like that's that's only fair. Yeah, crazy movie.
I surprisingly had a really good time with it, even
though it is like extremely trashy and like cheap and
really doesn't give any characters any meaningful anything at all,
and really even the kills and stuff aren't even that good.
It's just a weird movie. The main actor is like
just the weirdest performance ever, but he has some great
line delivery. This movie constantly surprised me, Like there's multiple
I'm just going spoiler issu here, but like multiple time
jumps in here that I did not see coming, and
so many like character moments character turns that don't make
any logical sense for a human being, but for the
sake of this weird, trashy Christmas horror movie, it like
worked perfectly. So honestly overall had a fun time with this.
It was just I was constantly shocked and laughing at
the things I was seeing. I think unfortunately, even though
it's like short, because I saw eighty two minutes, I
was like, oh, that's that's good stuff. I like to
see that when I have to do a retro or
something like that. But even then, like the last like
twenty thirty minutes of a movie like slows down to
such a slow like snail's pace, and it was really
just it was just kind of boring at that point.
It's not like it was even a slog it was
just like, I feel like this movie was going for
it and constantly ratching up the difficulty and getting more
intense and surprising me, and then it just like ceases
to do that in the end. So yeah, overall, I
I surprisingly had fun with this, But yeah, I don't
think this will be a yearly Christmas watch for me.
Speaker 1: Kirk, what about you that you know? Next time you
and Shaye pulling up some hot coke coal thing? Oh
what are we gonna watch this Christmas twenty twenty six?
You gotta be pulling up Silent Night, Deadly Night, am
I wrong?
Speaker 2: H Yeah, not so much for me. I think this
will be my last viewing of the Silent Night, that
same franchise. Overall, I'm not gonna jump into theaters this
week to go see the new one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I really had no idea what it was going into it.
I kind of thought it was gonna be like a
spoofy like parody type movie. Like I thought it was
gonna be more of ye comedy. There's moments that are comedy,
but like it's it's going for the full horror movie
element of you know, Psycho Killer and uh So it
definitely had some surprises in it that threw me for
a loop, but overall, I think it was just very weak,
like storytelling following like the character and just like the
time jumps, and like you don't want to spoil too much,
but like just just where our main character at the end.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you are clicking on this review for this movie,
it must have seen it, I guess. But I guess
you're right. Maybe someone's want to hear overall, so I
guess we'll wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But so I just feel like where
we get to at the end. I was just confused
as to like exactly why we got there. I guess
they do a little bit of an effort to kind
of explain it, but it just seemed very half baked
and uh yeah, I don't know. There was some fun
kills for sure, some just wild scenes, like just just
wild scenes that I kind of had to do like
a double take, and I was like, man, I'm really
seeing this right here. So yeah, there you go, little
Christmas horror horror flick here. Our twenty four I think
was the run time for it. I saw it at
the beginning. I'm like, holy fuck, this's gonna be a
just a quick breeze of a film, not so much
as it got going I feel like it kind of
felt longer than that while I was watching it. But yeah,
so I'm not gonna say disappointed, but I guess now
I can say that I've seen this of you know,
come across anyone in my path that talks about silent
idaily night, I can at least give my two cents.
So I guess I'm happy about that. And yeah, I
definitely think Maddie has to watch this now. That should
be his punishment for making us watch this film and
review it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, he has said he's going to, but
we should.
Speaker 2: Hold him to it at least absolutely.
Speaker 1: Next after nine guest thoughts NBC. So I still watched it.
We'll go We'll be on him every time, like you.
Speaker 3: Will punish him. We'll punish him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Taylor, same thing, Mads. And this must have
been a laugh riot for you too, right.
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't watch it with her, No, she was
sleeping throughout most of the time that I was opting
to watch this because watching in three parts.
Speaker 3: The trilogy event.
Speaker 5: Yeah, last night ten minutes before going to the gym,
and then this morning for about probably a good hour,
and then ten minutes on my lunch break today so
it was.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes and then a whole hour, and then another ten.
Speaker 5: Minutes in ten minutes the hour of like fifteen whatever.
It is top of a movie. Yeah, yeah, it was yeah,
quite the quite the film. I feel like what started
at the beginning wasn't really you know, it was it
was rushed and just like I wasn't really feeling it
or in with it. But then when we kind of
got to the end, I was like, Okay, I'm driving
with this ending. It's getting really outrageous, but I like
what's going on here, And there's a couple of scenes
that just really cracked me up, which I'm excited to
highlight because it was just.
Speaker 4: It was rowdy. It was really really rowdy. But yeah,
the acting.
Speaker 5: Is terrible, and it's just you know, there's just a
lot of cuckolding going on and uh just or maybe.
Speaker 4: Voyeurs on vowyors. I'm not cuckholding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, holds, you're in on the you're wanting it to happen?
Speaker 4: Oh he did he do? He wanted to action. I'm
sure he did.
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't think the guy like our
Sana was like I want to see people taking advantage
and I think he was putting these situations.
Speaker 3: I mean he was big looking in at a key hole.
Speaker 1: Like the key hole, yes, but like he a cuck
hole would be two people are dating and you know, okay,
do you have fun with my man, lady, I'm gonna
stand by and watch. I don't think if.
Speaker 2: That was his lady in the room and he was
still key holding there you go, that would have been more.
Speaker 3: I was like twelve at the time, you know.
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, it's as far as movies go, it's
not one that I'm probably gonna end up revisiting. But
I yeah, I don't know. It's it's got me interested
to see what the other ones are about. And I'd
be lying if I said I didn't look at the
synopsis for part two because I was curious, and I
am interested.
Speaker 4: I am very much interested to see where it's going.
Speaker 5: I didn't read the synopsis for the other ones, but
at least with part two, it's it's kind of got
me intrigued. So if it gets a bit better than
what this one was doing, then I'm that I'm I'm
content enough to keep pursuing it.
Speaker 4: But this one was definitely.
Speaker 5: Zany uh And yeah, the acting was just not not great.
Speaker 4: Maddie.
Speaker 5: I'm just really surprised you haven't seen it. I feel
like you should definitely give it a watch and share
your thoughts because there was a lot of times where
I was laughing the whoever wrote the I don't know
about the dialogue, which just wrote like the lines and whatnot,
just Michael Hickey. Yeah, I don't know, mister Mike. It's
it's a very weird level of dialogue punish punish, and
all these other things too that are going on. It's
it's just very very odd. But yeah, that intro to
this movie was just wild. You get this shit in
sideways and then all of a sudden you're at the orphan.
It's just again not spoilers, but it's just yeah, but
the superior one hell of a character.
Speaker 1: I imply some things that happened to our character.
Speaker 2: What happens to his parents?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Though the movie gets like right freaking into it. It
does not you know, in a classic horror, you know,
maybe spend the first hour really building half hour, like
really building it up. This movie is not the case.
Like we get into the action like five minutes flat.
We do.
Speaker 1: It's like that it's like a midsommar for this. It
like takes like an hour. You spend an hour at
that whole family before everything goes down.
Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna be the whole movie. Honestly,
I didn't think we're gonna be getting time skips at all,
especially because like the opening credits it says introducing so
and so as Billy, and usually when they do that,
it's like a child actor. So I'm like, Okay, this
is gonna be our protagonist the whole film. Let's follow
this this young and uh and.
Speaker 4: Ten years later, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Disappears pretty quick.
Speaker 1: They were dropping those ten years later before the popular
like two that twenty. It is like meme of just
every movie Faith in Black and you know.
Speaker 2: Five years though year.
Speaker 5: I feel like in terms of just kind of developing characters,
they really did none of that. But again, this is
a spoiler, but this character has a brother, and I
feel like you just totally forget that the brother is present.
He's there for sure, but I feel like the brother
doesn't age over the course of ten years, by what
six months?
Speaker 4: The brother barely ages.
Speaker 1: In the when we meet the brother, he's a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then you skip.
Speaker 1: Ahead and he's standing and walking. Yeah, so how do
you mean he barely ages?
Speaker 5: Because the next time, so you see him in three instances.
You see him as a baby, then you see him
standing and walking when his older brother is in the
orphanage being mother superiored. And then when when the main
character becomes an adult, yeah, ten years, then you see
his younger brother.
Speaker 4: But the younger brother doesn't.
Speaker 3: Feel like he aged because that's like a newborn, so
he should be like ten, and he definitely seems younger
than that. But it's weird with the time dumps because
the first one is like the movie starts with like
it's nineteen seventy four, and then you get like a
time jump that's like it's now nineteen seventy six. But
I feel like I missed that first year, so I
was like really confused. I was like, is this supposed
to be Billy. It took me a couple of scenes
to be like, oh, that is Billy. He's like a
new actor now because I missed that first thing. But
then they do ten years later, So I don't know
why they didn't just do three years later the first time,
Like they had to make it like very confusing for
really no gain whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Oh, Santa's after Taylor right there. You know you look
like you have that the dark pasturehood right now from
Dexter with the hood and the light.
Speaker 5: I haven't put the lights the reflective thing in yet,
never working on it.
Speaker 1: Well before I go to refer to what Taylor was
talking about. In total with this one, there are now
seven of these movies. What shit?
Speaker 3: I saw that there was a trilogy, but seven? What
the f?
Speaker 1: So you have this one Silent Night, Deadly Night, you
got Silent Night, Deadly Night, Part two, you got Silent Night,
Deadly Night. You better watch out? Which none? How did
they not go Silent Night, deadly or night nowhere in here?
But they didn't do it, so better watch out. So
that is the trilogy. These next two are Silent Night,
Deadly Night four The Initiation and Silent Night, Deadly Night
five The toy Maker. Those are like anthologies technically.
Speaker 3: Like Toymaker. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: Like a DLC game or something. Yeah, yeah, outsider.
Speaker 1: There are characters from the other three that are in those,
but they are much more of an anthology. It is
kind of funny. The guy that stars as the killer
Santon Toymaker back in eighty four really condemned the Silent
Night Deadly Night, And there I have my tribua that
there's some rumors that they filmed as the Toymaker and
didn't tell them that it was gonna be sent Night
Deadly Night, and then when they promote it, and then
in twenty twelve you had the remake Silent Night, and
now there's the second remake coming out December twelve, Silent Night,
Deadly Night.
Speaker 3: So no relation because what's a movie called with David Harbor?
Speaker 1: Oh the what is it?
Speaker 3: Wasn't that also called like Silent Night eight or something?
Speaker 1: Is it dead?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: It's a dead silent someone looking up because I can't
because of the post. But Dave heard Santa. It's in
there and it's getting a sequel too, But it's pretty
close to.
Speaker 3: What Violent Night by. Okay, that's great title, great time,
But without looking it up on IMDb, what do you
guys think the chances are that Billy Like is resurrected
in one of those sequels that we get and he
just comes back to life to be an evil dead
zone it.
Speaker 5: Don't I don't think they've incorporated super again. I haven't
seen all the other six durations, but there's no supernatural aspect, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta think about that.
Speaker 3: If any series is going to dip into supernatural, I
feel like this one could be.
Speaker 5: Could be.
Speaker 1: They remember Friday thirteenth had no supernatural until the fifth one, Taylor,
So things can always change.
Speaker 4: It's true, it's true.
Speaker 5: I just just based on the second one, it just
feels like it's it's trauma. This trauma that's core is
what causes evil.
Speaker 1: Santa Kirkling, you had a guest for the judges. Does
it get supernatural or not?
Speaker 3: Uh? I think I just want to know if Billy
comes back. Do you think Billy comes back, which I
guess would imply you.
Speaker 1: Can answer, I can answer no, he does not. It
h two and three fall the Brother. The brother then
takes up the Santa Claus axe and caution Man three.
Speaker 3: So he survives still through two. Okay, maybe he gets
locked up and breaks out or something.
Speaker 1: That I can't confirm. That's one thing I guess I
can say that I don't know if he survives or
maybe he does get resurrected. I just know that the
brother is the killer, and then the brother is in
at least four, but he's just like kind of around.
He's not even the main story or kill and whatnot,
so I can't speak to what happens in Silent Night.
And then that's why for me this movie, I thought,
I'll wait till we get to spoilers. I've seen the
synopsis of the remake, and I was like, Okay, that
makes sense because i'd seen I'd heard about this that. Okay,
they're remaking this very controversial aiding movies. I'd never seen this.
I feel like that's kind of rare for me because
even some I've seen some low bottom barrel stuff. I'm
not saying this bottom bear. There's there's some bottle barrel stuff,
but it was still I appreciate the work they're trying
to do, but I'd never heard of this. Then I
heard the remake was happening, and I was interested until
I heard the synopsis, so I went, okay, that's that's
like kind of what I thought. That's not really as
fun as I thought would be. Okay, and then Maddie
put this in here and went, okay, let's watch this,
and the remake is not exactly like this one, and
I'll break that don't get into spoilers. So that's why
I was taken for a ride the first half an
hour because it was going way places that I did
not think it was going. So, uh, yeah, it's not.
It's it's like above like really bad eighties seventies whore Like,
it's not as bad as that. I I like some
of the ambience that's going on there. We'll talk about
this many times. This definitely feels like one of these
films that man the directors and the casting department everything,
they're just obsessed with seeing titties and people naked. There's
just every not every fifteen minutes, but it feels like
something happens, big event of kill. Twenty minutes goes by,
and then it's just, oh, here's a couple getting it
on and this couple. It's not like, oh, we've met
this character. They've gone home, they're making love to their
girlfriend husband, and we're gonna meet that person. No, it's
just like our killer goes up to a bar and
these guys are on a pool table and it's like, oh,
these are the next victims. What I found the most
odd about this and we'll talk about how we get there,
but they don't have like a like a final girl
or final guy per se. They kind of do, but
it's odd because that's what I find at least a
little bit interesting, is the final girl is someone that
in the first act kind of the villain of the story.
So it's an odd situation where you're supposed to not
want this person who kind of seems like a piece
of shit to get killed because up until I pause
and there's like an hour left, I'm like, who's gonna
be the the person's gonna take down our Sana, right,
Because like for my suppos they kind of introduced this
love interest and I thought, Oh, that's what's gonna happen, right,
She's gonna be the one to speak with them, get
through there and we'll get there. That is not the case,
so I'll say it it at least it wasn't generic.
That's what I can give it that way, where I
think there's some generic things about it, maybe some dialogue
and act, but the actual story, I'm not saying it's
a great story, And I think there's even a way
you could do a version of this story, and that's
what we want to see with that remake. I think
there's a version. You could do this story and it
be an interesting character study of depression and like with
Harry Simon, trauma, just what can happen to you if
you're not treated the right way or you're left with
the wrong people. I think there's an interesting concept there,
and I think there's an interesting trajectory, but I don't
think the film's like overall that interesting, but I will
say it's wild. I don't think you can watch this
movie and predict exactly where it's gonna go. And that's
a fun thing, and this is definitely one so we
could never do it now. But this is one of
those movies. While probably about twenty five minutes and I
was like, damn, this would have been a good watch
long type of movie, you know, because sometimes you never
know you watch it's fun, but it's like, oh, would
have been a fun time watching it with people. So, Mattie,
if you, if you have anybody watch it with. I
don't know who i'd recommend. Obviously has to be people
that you would have to put through a bad movie
per se. But you know, anybody wants to watch this,
I'd say do it, people, But if not, I think
you'll still have like good enough time. If you like
this genre, if you're not a big horror person, if
you're not a big slasher person, then I'd say definitely.
Uh it's it's a skippable one. But uh yeah, it's
always fun to get these because I think last year,
didn't we review what was that one with the kid
right and the babysitter? Oh yeah, I feel like that.
I could be wrong, but I think we're on the
third year of doing a horror Christmas movie. That seems
to be what happening because I think we did the
Night Before and a couple of ones. But yeah, so
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: It was better watch Out, Better watch Out?
Speaker 1: Okay, it was. It was a It was a ride though, So.
Speaker 3: Didn't you say that was? Like the subtitle the third
one of this is better watch Out?
Speaker 1: Yeah three, the third parttter watch Out. So they saw
that and they took it. So what I was gonna
say to introduce where we go the story? So with
the I'll read the synopsis for the remake because this
is all I'd seen and this is where I thought
we were going. Uh, let's see if I can get
the Uh No, they're not gonna tell me this because
it's all development and stuff. Let me just go to
IMDb quickly here, But pretty much what it sets up
is he's playing the same character, Billy, and the guy
who's playing Billy Ron Campbell. He's a good actor, so
I'm excited to see his take on it. I will watch.
I will watch the remake at home. Not in tears.
But a child witnesses his parents' murder by a man
in Santa suit. Years later, as an adult, he dons
the same costume and embarks on a vying quest for
retribution against those responsible. So I had seen that, and
I because I knew nothing about it, and then I
saw that, like, okay, I can see how this remake
goes where that's what it's gonna be. Where we meet
this kid he has some trauma, but he ends up
being the hero of the story. Man. That is not
the route we go with this, but it does at
least open the same way where we see a criminal
he performs a robbery, and then he's on the side
of the road. He's dressed in a Santa costume. He's
either I can't remember, is his car actually broke down
or is he just pretending. I don't think we ever
get that even.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a ruse, right, just to get
someone to pull over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so people pull over. It's our main character, Billy
with his family, you know, as a younger brother dad.
Speaker 5: He's already scared shitless because it was fucking Grandpa Roight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I skipped over that that they did.
They went to go visit his grandfather, who.
Speaker 4: They gaslighting the family.
Speaker 1: I did not understand what was going on that.
Speaker 2: He was going to be like the villain of the
story with how it's set up. I'm like, Okay, this
guy already kind of looks like Sanna, you know, without
a beard, So this is gonna be our killer of
the whole film. So right away they threw me for
a loop. And yeah, he's just crazy in the old
folks am and just gaslighting the family. And that's his story. Like,
he does not come back at all in the movie,
which I totally thought he would, so very very shocked
by the way that that went out.
Speaker 3: I feel like I misheard that scene too. When they
show up and like both parents I thought said like, hey, Dad,
how are you doing? And I was like, wait, what's
going on here? What is this situation? But yeah, I yeah,
this movie, as we already mentioned, like just gets right
do it. Man? When when the Santa goes and like
kills that like it's seven to eleven clerk so brutal
that he goes back for like the third head shot,
like the totally unnecessary shot right in the head. Like
that's when I feel like I was expecting this movie
to get like pretty graphic, and it's not really too graphic,
I guess, like in terms of like the violence just
compared to like things I've seen these days, I suppose,
But man, it's like just pretty sickening if you think
about it, just how fucked up this guy isn't and
Billy as well, because yeah, as you mentioned her was
like he is not on a mission to get retribution.
He is just killing random people. I mean one, you know,
a guy was raping a girl, so yeah, you go
ahead take.
Speaker 4: That guy out, but but also the girl, the girl
was also at fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah she also and.
Speaker 3: Then later just too random people at a random house
and thankfully he doesn't kill the kid. But like, yeah,
there's no connection to who these people are, just random killings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm trying to like I kind of
get what they're doing with the kid, where okay, the
grandpa says, oh, Sanna, if you're naughty, he's gonna punish you,
and all this stuff. I just feel like, is there
not any other character to get that, to do that
other than just like this, this weird subplot. We never
returned to this.
Speaker 2: In the fifth movie. That's when the grandpa comes back.
Speaker 1: Maybe I may I wonder if it's the remake. I
have all these questions, like if they're gonna do that,
But so that happens, so they they pretty much just
set up that. This guy sets up if you're bad,
Santa's gonna punish you, right, So then what's happening is
they are driving as we talk about Santa's there, weighs
him down. Uh, he kills the day. He shoots the
dad while he tries to drive away because he comes
out like he seems fine, and of course the dad's like,
oh look it's the guy the Santa claushume he must
be heading to a party, like he's very happy, senses
something's going wrong. He shoots him. He brings the woman out,
which like, I so here's like, I don't know how
to word this. I felt like I don't know why
the breasts were exposed. I thought they were exposed, not
that I'm trying to want to see like a sexual assaulting,
but okay, this is the route's gonna go. But he
just exposed the breast and then slut her throat. I
didn't understand the portion. I understand the portion this way.
I mean not to make me sound like an awlf person,
but I understand in the context of you're gonna have
this character commit this terrible assault, so of course there's
sexually tracked this woman. That's why the breast would be revealed.
I don't understand from this thing. It's just like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: And the like it was because she hit him though, right,
And I feel like, okay, he retaliated because she clopped
him or clocked him one, But.
Speaker 1: Why didn't he just stab her? That seems like a
good retaliation to me from a psycho and not.
Speaker 2: Like, no, you exposed the breasts and then she hits
them and then he stabs her.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's literally just okay, how can we get
more tits in this thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just parents, it's his parents, and she's like awesome, just
like just like nudity ran on my screen like and
it's a big zoom and I'm like, this must be
like a traumatic and it is traumatic. But that's what
I thought. Okay, it's gonna be tracicause the're gonna do
this al I'm not saying stuff, but just it was
odd and then as the film pers and went okay, yeah,
it was just a classic. Well see how many naked
ladies we can get?
Speaker 3: Is this some GV review slash retro with the most
boobs in it? Has there? Have we ever watched?
Speaker 1: Game? For sure has more boobs than this.
Speaker 3: Does it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because like even in the like Michael Fastman
has that three way, there's the girly fucks at the window,
there's that girly fucks outside.
Speaker 5: There were four boob scenes in here where four different
naked chicks.
Speaker 1: And a lot of porn Brendan watches as well. Remember
but that that that's the difference of because that's artfully
done and it's for the story. It doesn't even feel
like it's like unnecessary. Oh I get this because like
Brennan's actings, where this is just tits for the sake
of tits. But I'm trying to think you might be right.
It's definitely in the top three, I'll say top three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely stands it because even like when you
have the the the young couple like on the pool table,
and she like takes her shirt, well, that's that's also
super takes her shirt off when they're making out, and
then she's like gonna go upstairs to like go let
the cat in, so she puts pants on, but like
just does not put a shirt on, just opens the
door and isn't like peeking around the corner, like she
just fully opens it. Anyone anyone could have seen and
even liked because the kid could have been walking around too.
Speaker 1: Still, oh yeah, the kid who was already trying to
get down but again threatened Santa Claus. But and then
even like Billy's dream sequence, can't you just have like
a oh he likes this girl work. It's just a
romangue making love thing and like it is. But still
it's just like, now we got to make sure this
person's dude, you know. So it's uh yeah, lots lots
of lots of eighties nudy going on. So but as
we said, this happens, the killer does not see Billy,
he's out in the wood summary hides. That's how we
get to what we're talking about, the orphanage, where he
meets the Superior who's not really nice to him, and
then it's uh, I guess years of punishments and spankings
and again with the sex. She's even spanking adults in
this movie, which was an all like, I guess it's
an orphanage. I didn't understand why, like these people were
so loud. That's what caught me off guard too, Like
if you're an orphanage where clearly you probably shouldn't have
having sex, why is this guy like, oh, like he's
so loud. He's so loud, and that has maybe the
largest keyhole that hence my name, is the largest key
hole I've ever seen in my life. I understand it's
a kid goes.
Speaker 4: It's the seventies, right, did they have big key.
Speaker 3: It's like a Hogwarts fucking keyhole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, house, it's his hut. But yeah, what do we
think about the orphanage and the superior and Billy having
a well scared of sand as well?
Speaker 3: I'll say that obviously this movie is like right, off
the bat is extremely off the rails, like grotesque nudity,
slitting throats, headshots and stuff when he's peaking through that hole,
and you know it's an orphanage, but it's also like,
I don't know, like a religious you know, like Christian thing.
There's like nuns everywhere and stuff. And honestly, like when
that guy was when they were having sex in there,
and then like starts out with their feet and then
like I don't even like the camera like moves up.
The woman had like really small feet. I'm like, oh
my god, are they going there? Like is this like
some pedophilia at this orphanage going on? Because she had
like fucking tiny feet, and thankfully I was happy to
see the boobs at them and I'm like, Okay, this
is not a child, this is a woman here. But yeah,
that was he, and he was he was just stationed there.
He was a century. He was not going he was
he was never leaving that keyhole.
Speaker 2: It was strange too, because that was like what was
activating his like PTSD has seen his mother like in
the so it's like to your point, traps like it
seemed like they were setting it up the trauma thing
with that, but like that scene obviously went different ways,
but so it was just really strange, really doubling down
on just the punishment. And I guess that just ties
into if you're naughty, you're gonna get punished. So I
guess that's the whole purpose of that. And like Mother's
Superior just being this tyrant. I like, I laughed so
hard though when he's peeping, Mother Superior comes in down
the hallway, it's like a crazy just music shift of
like the March of the Orcs, like on Helm's Deep, right,
he this this Mother Superior coming down the hallway, pulls
them out of the way, kicks in the door, and
just like pure horror for these these this young couple
having some intercourse. Mother Superior enters the door and just
slams the door and then all you hear.
Speaker 3: Is just but dig it, take it, take it.
Speaker 4: He's like she's just whipping.
Speaker 2: These two with with the belt. That it was a wild,
wild sequence because.
Speaker 1: We never see this lady again, right, like the ladies,
like the younger, you never see them at all anything, Right, No.
Speaker 2: It's probably just murdered, just like nothing characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to show Superior is a not a good lady.
And and then she even though the boy really did nothing wrong,
she decides to also beat the boys while just as
like a behavior I guess because he was watching right.
Speaker 4: But like, no, he left his room.
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to, right, I guess, so in that.
Speaker 2: Even though she's the guardian, like the other nun told
him to leave the room.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I will say to your point, Kirkling, like,
I actually think this movie really great soundtrack. I think
the score is really interesting. Of course it has your
creepy vibes, but also has the christmasy vibes, has like
just eighties kind of tones to it. There's like a
little bit of like psychedelic stuff in there. Like I
feel like it was quite the mix, and I thought
some of the scenes really stood. I think kind of
at the end, it just becomes a little bit less,
has like a little bit less personality to it. But
I was surprised at how much I liked the music
in here. And I looked up the composer Perry Botkin,
who I've never heard of, and like going through his
IMDb didn't really recognize anything, but I thought I thought
it was in a really good score.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I know, there's some fun moments. I guess
what I wanted to go back to was the so
he sees I guess, so he sees him getting it on,
and that's where he has flashbacks to his parents dying,
and we talked about how later on. I guess, like,
how does that is it? Just because when he kills
that guy at the shop, he just snaps in general, right,
because there's no reason to They kind of have the
girl be like, oh, why'd you do that? You're such
a monster, and I guess she's being mean to him,
so I guess it's a reason to do that. But then,
like we said later on the couples that they don't
really do much that family, they don't do much or
they don't do anything to our knowledge of being sinners
or should be punished. So that's where I say my
nonspoys where I think there's an interesting idea and that's
always a fun thing where we gotta kill her punishing
you know, bad people. But I feel like they kind
of lost the plot along the way, and I guess what,
just like I said, seeing some nudity remind them of
that bad night.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree.
I think there's some fun stuff in here, even just
the idea of him becoming like the thing that he's hated,
Like that's that's an interesting you know concept there, and
that you could really squeeze out an interesting story with that.
But like I was saying earlier, it just seems so
like he's so traumatized by Sanna and then all of
a sudden he's just wearing the suit and he's just
killing people, and it's just I like skipped a cut
scene and here we are where this is. This is
the reality now that we're living with. So definitely, uh,
some mispotential there for for both of those. Yeah, both
those setups.
Speaker 5: And he got drunk too, right kind of because the
the boss Man toy Star was like here, what are
you drinking here?
Speaker 2: I can't believe he was there, man, Like that's fat
Company Christmas party. He fucking hates Sanna. He's like having
PTSD and he's just staying at this party. It's just like,
oh my god, this is pure torture.
Speaker 1: Well I kind of took it as like the second
the store closed the party was started, so honestly, I
guess he could just bolt out of there, but because
he already has the sand suit, I think he's trying
to stay and I think maybe he has the idea of,
well he's gonna I can't remember her name, but he's
gonna make the moves on her right, which I thought
at first when we got the scene in the making Love,
I didn't know that was a dream sequence. I thought
that was the real thing. So that, oh, you know,
he's has a pretty good together. He's seems good, he's
got a job, and he's making love this this lady.
Speaker 3: But his performance when he wakes up and just like vaults,
like just as a full on jump out of his bed.
I love that this guy's acting is something else. But
I I was thoroughly thrilled every facial facial reaction he's
he had all the line deliveries of mostly punished, but
other things too. I love this guy for how goofy
and cheesy the performance was.
Speaker 1: Still acting to this day, so you know, oh yeah
go check out so uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming out this week film.
Speaker 1: I hope he's in there. Hope for a cameo. It's
something to get him in there. You know that'd be fun,
but uh yeah, I know it's too is they like,
obviously Spear not a good lady. But her bold idea, well,
Santa's gonna be there for Christmas year, and they've they've
there's a nicer nun there. They've expressed that clearly. He
still having issues with Christmas with Sanna, and her big
idea is like, well, he's gonna sit in Santa's lap
no matter what, I'm gonna make sure that all these
guys are having a good time. She's pulling this kid,
He's screaming. And then what got me the most was
he pulls back hits Santa the Haymacher. Not only does
he knock up to the crazy for everybody, this kid's
maybe somewhere between eight to ten Sanna, that's there is
a Roman Groman Sana a big guy. Uh pulls back
punched him. So not only is he not going his
ass when they go to the closes with Sannah, his
nose is busted open. He's bleeding so billy he.
Speaker 3: Gets launched too.
Speaker 2: He launched. Yeah, he was like a smash finisher. He
just went on the stage.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't have made They should have focused him being
like a UFC fighter, a boxer. Billy like he could
have an amazing career like those. He got his hands
and steel over there for sure. But and then yeah,
and it's funny, like all this trauma happens, it shows
it's not going well, and that's what we're talking about.
Time jumps. It just jumps to oh, he's an adult,
and then they get him a job interview and he's
just like a good guy. He's nice. And that's where
I honestly did not think we were obviously, because I
read that synopsis of the remake, I thought it was
gonna be the same thing, right because his first victim
he does kill, like the guy who's trying to assault
the woman he likes. I thought, okay, he's gonna go
after those people. But no, I did not see it
coming that he was just gonna be the straight up killer.
And like I said in the non spots as well,
I thought the girl he liked was gonna be our
protagonists as far as running for her life while this
guy was after But no, she gets killed off right away,
and we don't really have a protagonist. It's very much
like Tayla. You've seen this, but it's very much like
Terrifying Away, where it's just art the clowns kind of
goes from person to person. Now they have added protagonists
in those, but especially that first movie, it's just art
like on Halloween, like stop someplace, kill somebody. Stops someplace,
kill somebody. That's this was kind of the blueprint for that,
Like this whole movie was that. And then they did
tie it back to the church, but even that was
very uh very quick. Those church scenes at the end,
so m h.
Speaker 3: I was so uncomfortable when he is finding the Santa
costume and he had all the kids are coming up
to sit on his lap, and the one girl like
just so extremely uncomfortable. He's like kind of whispering, but
he is still pretty loud. He's like stop punish, like
he's doing his classic punished stuff and man and all
the parents are just like, oh, this guy is such
a nice guy. I'm like, what is are you just
like oblivious? What's going on here? That that was such
a creepy scene.
Speaker 1: And it's weird. It's not like they did something where
the criminal pretended he was saying in them all and
they sat on his lap and he was being weird
t him. So that's like transferred over right. They old
like like obviously said like killed his family. That's traumatic,
but it's not like he had this whole thing of
sand and being like you better not be naughty, like
I guess it's the grandpa said, but it's just again,
I guess that's why they put the grandpa in there,
so he could have these this punished dialogue and tagline.
But yeah, it was He's a very strange scene because
I did not think the adults were that far away
they went. Because even then too, it's not even like
a funny mix up scene where he's saying stuff and
you look at him and from the outside looks like
a happy appearance. He looks pretty mad and uncomfortable. So
when the parents say like what Dylan said, they're like, oh,
he's so good with kids. I don't know, but again
that's that's that's this movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it just it just felt like really poor
writing on all those scenes is because, as you pointed out,
like the parents are like six feet away, child is
in distress, and he is just being very very odd
handling this child and then goes to the parents like
he's so good of what he does, so like it's
just it just seemed really weird and even the sequence
leading to Billy's first kill, when Buddy is like coercing
this girl to the back of the the it felt
like a porno the type of like writing it was
where it's like I got a gift for you. It's like,
oh really, what is it. It's like it's a little
bit further back there. It's like, why can't you just
show me here?
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's like trust me.
Speaker 3: It's really good.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I trust you. And it's just like,
holy fuck, this is so bad to watch. Like just
just fast travel there, like like it would be so
much easier on the eyes, but I have to go
through this just extended scene where yeah, it just they
felt like just NPC characters, like they had no depth
to them at all to like feel like real characters.
And I think that's just it was kind of consistent
throughout like the whole movie where people just seemed really
just just really dumb and like like not real people,
which kind of, yeah, took me out of the story.
Speaker 3: Man, Billy. The fact that you can want arm lift
that guy with the with the Christmas lights like insane,
that's where maybe he does have some uh, you know,
greater powers. Or something, because that was that was an
insane level of strength. I feel like.
Speaker 1: There are some thoughts on Billy's job here in his life.
Uh I for it.
Speaker 5: Really it did catch me off guard when they was like, okay,
we need to get a Santa and we threw him
in there was Santa suit. That cracked me up because
I was not expecting it, just after especially spending a
good half hour of just seeing this guy's trauma and turmoil,
and now here he is, he's he's wearing the thing
that he hates. But uh yeah, him working this job
with the toy sore and I just felt like we've
seen it a billion times before. It's a simple concept
for them, the sisters and they're like, oh, you know,
he needs a job, and the owners like I don't
need a boy, I need a man.
Speaker 4: And then you just see him.
Speaker 5: Billy's just in all jacked ory to go smiling, and
the guy's like, oh, I've always you know, helped to
help the church sister some bullshit like that. And he's
getting bullied here too by this guy. And the owner
is just coming in there drunk, like, oh, it's good
to think about your parents on Christmas.
Speaker 4: My parents are dead.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 4: I forgot.
Speaker 5: It's just such a terrible, terrible acting and it just
seems like a very unhealthy workplace to be in. And
I thought he was at first hallucinating that this other
coworker and the girl were getting it on. I thought
it was just some kind of weird dream sequence, but no,
they actually were. And the scene where she's like no, stop, no, stop,
like it cuts to them, but she's like like caressing
his body while she's like stop stop, stop, no, this
isn't no, no doubt, and yet she's like she's like
fondeling his twig and berries and all this stuff, and
the scene it's just it was. It didn't the actions
didn't sink with the dialogue.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was always that way, or if
they're like, oh, let's let's make it something more. I
wonder if it was originally just him seeing them getting
on and then he came in there, because I guess
you did stop him, but her reaction. I get why
you might not want someone to murder the other guy,
but it felt like it was like that he was
a complete terrible person, you know, like like like like
he had just been like like he was saving you.
I guess it is murder. I guess he could have
just beat him up. So I don't know how to
handle that situation. Just felt like she was so kind
of comically negative about it. But do you think you
thought the whole time he was turned into the bad guy?
Speaker 5: I mean, it was not something I was expecting, because again,
going in here, I didn't really know what was gonna
go down.
Speaker 4: I thought we were gonna get I don't know at
what point I was.
Speaker 5: It was before Billy kills, but it was close because
I was trying to think, Okay, how's this Santa from
the start of the movie gonna come back in They're
just saying, I didn't know we're gonna get a time
jump to him being an adult. So when the kids
are all gathered and they're like, oh, Santa's coming to
the orphanage, I thought, oh, we're gonna get that bad
sound coming in here again from the beginning of the movie,
and he's gonna be doing some weird shit again.
Speaker 1: I guess they never said if they did I miss
did they say if they caught that guy?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever mentioned. It's ten years past, right,
and then we don't see him again.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's what that remake sounds like it
is right where it's like the time passes and this
guy's gonna find the guy kills his parents that go
after him, So it's that version of it. But yeah,
that is very much a layup what you could have done,
But now they just want him to be the killer,
I guess, and take off these people. What she did,
he took out many. I read it was a body
count of fourteen people.
Speaker 3: So fourteen, Yeah, that seems like more than Count that
out for me.
Speaker 4: Count that out for me.
Speaker 1: I'll get the trivia just going down because there's the
all four coworkers, right, because he kills the boss with
the axe or whatever, and then he snipes the lady
with African poet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh, I'll pull it up.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the couple on the pool table. I
could be wrong there, but even then.
Speaker 5: If it's a whole got six, one cop is seven,
one of the bullies is eight, and then who else.
Speaker 3: Does he get anyone at the chirt, at the orphanage
at the.
Speaker 4: End, just the cop, that's all he gets.
Speaker 3: Nothing inside?
Speaker 1: Right the count? Did they count the deaf.
Speaker 5: Indirect see that hence my nickname. That fucking cracked me up.
Speaker 1: That line, it just says body count. So I was wrong.
Body count? What was the whole movie? So I was wrong?
Speaker 3: Okay, that was that's if you include the other Santa
and Billy dying as makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was nine people murdered in total by Billy.
Uh yeah, so there.
Speaker 2: He killed the deaf guy, Taylor, the deaf guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah when when so I can buy that. Okay, it's
the fake Santa. They're setting up that that that kind
of hanging.
Speaker 4: Catch there or whatever.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's just how quickly the dialogue was
when the captain, the police captain's talking, what do you
mean doesn't match the description?
Speaker 4: And she's like, oh no, every year it's Father Albert.
He comes in justice a Sanna. He's like, well, my
guy said that he told him to stop moving. Well
he's deaf.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god, he couldn't hear so so
poorly written. I mean it works, but oh my god,
it was terrible.
Speaker 2: There's like no repercussion either, Like the cop just murders
this guy and then he's like, well, you know, we
got to catch this guy, and they like nobody makes
a deal about it at all, Like there's no talk
of oh my god, I can't believe I took him
out other than like I guess the one non lady
like mother superior kind of confronting him. But yeah he
I mean, he didn't live past that day, but if
he did, I don't think he would have lost any
sleep over murdering that incident.
Speaker 5: Man just not just a man, but a priest murdered
a priest in front of.
Speaker 2: The children too, Like.
Speaker 1: What a day for they see too, Sanna's done gunned
down in one day, you know, the first one, which
they save a mistake with him. Later on, Billy comes
back from another superior and he gets gunned down as well,
so like that orphange has to shut down those kids
obviously get the line being with Billy's brother of naughty
when he looked at the superior, it's like, okay, they
did that to set the sequel, which you know what
they did get he was in the sequel, So there
you go. But yeah, those kids got to be really
truly messed up by the end of this film.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. Going back to the house with the young couple,
you know, on the on the pool table and all
that crazy What do you think was going through Billy's
head when he's he's thinking about like killing this kid,
it seems like. And then he switches it and he's like, Okay,
I have a gift for you now, because you have
said multiple times that you're a good girl. And he
gives her the bloody box cutter.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: Is that just like the only thing he had in
his pocket? I guess. So he's like, well, I guess
this is the one gift option.
Speaker 2: You never got a bloody box cutter for Christmas? Still,
and come on, if I did, I must have blanked
it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all each other? Oh another bloody box cutter again. No,
I think he just wanted to pass it on. I
think he wanted her to join him.
Speaker 4: He didn't want to just frames her.
Speaker 3: Yeah you say it, but he's like he's still in
his moment, he's still eighteen. Like in theory, he's gonna
keep doing this forever, right, But.
Speaker 1: That's what me. He just wants her to join, like,
just come along, tell you a long just like I
guess because the killer didn't give him that. That's the
weird thing, right, I think I would have maybe liked
it better if the night happens, his parents got killed
and that killer finds the kid, but instead of killing Billy,
he gives them that knife kind of way to mess
him up, Like I'm gonna let you live with this,
So there gonna be a good parallel there of Oh,
he's kind of passing on this this evil, this grotesqueness,
but it it's just I don't know, I guess it's
just yeah, that's what he had in his pocket. But
that's how I took it. He was just trying to
like include her in it, and she could she she
could kill her own people down the line, you know,
which I didn't hear. Is in any of this equals
I don't think it worked out.
Speaker 3: So I see, I see, yeah, uh going on.
Speaker 2: Forgot to shout it out earlier. But the seven to
eleven guy, he gave him thirty one bucks because after
after he murders this guy, which seemed very sudden and
as if he just went in there to murder him,
not actually take the money. He goes out there, oh
that for thirty one dollars, and then he's just upset,
like this guy is just evil as evil can get
like he is just going out killing people, not trying
to pay bills or anything or like payoff debts, Like
he just looked for murders.
Speaker 1: But maybe he is still because he was upset about
the money, right, like thirty one bucks, Like that reminds
me of when you're playing GTA and you you know,
get a five star. He robson and it's just all
twelve dollars, Like what the fuck is this? But why
would he care about the three one bucks? Maybe he
isn't a little bit of debt, you know, maybe that's
what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I mean, justin for inflation. Maybe it was like maybe
he's like sixty bucks to day or whatever. But it's
like still not what you want to see.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna go through all that trouble, you're hoping
you get a little bit more money out of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier, the end of the movie, like
pretty much after he takes out the couple, he throws
the you know, throws the one girl up on the antlers,
kills her there, and then chucks the guy out the
window to kill him. And then I feel like that
the movie after that point just that's when he gets
to like the really slow pace because he's just kind
of like on the run and they're trying to find him.
But it's not like some big, high octane like action.
It's just like super duper slow, but not in like
a good horror way of building the suspense. It's just like,
I don't know, like they ran out of steam or
something like, we don't have any ideas, but we still
you know, we're still not feature length film. We it
is a bit longer to put this in theaters or something,
So I don't know what happened there, but I feel
like the movie probably could have thrown in like a
whole other sequence of him going to some other house
and it would have made as much sense as the
house with the babysitters, because like that had no connection
to anything else other than I guess him doing like
the little box cut her hand off. But now that
that's like a meaningful thing.
Speaker 1: You guys were talking about the victims, did you bring
up the slow the snowsltter people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh yeah, that I totally forgot about that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in between between him the church's guy's Bob
sled it and then I'll go down first, he goes down.
He's winning for his buddy, and his buddy comes down.
Speaker 4: Of course, I was so good and he's just.
Speaker 3: And then like the head rolls down the hill. I
totally blanked on that scene. That's crazy, So take it back.
There was a whole other scene, but it was much
slower pace.
Speaker 1: Very short though. It was just like gett another killing there.
Speaker 5: So so that end when he comes to the door
with that the babysitter, the chick and what on, the
two people on the pool table and she's upstairs. So
that scene when she closes the door and then it's
right when like the door smashes. He's like, gosh, that's
a quick cut. And it's the same thing when this
bully's going down on sled and you know what's coming
because the score the.
Speaker 4: Music completely stops and it's quiet.
Speaker 5: And as he's like going down brush and yeah, just
the head's fucking decapitated. And this that cracked me up.
And I guess they did to get him with the cop.
They supped the music again, and he's like he's just
every fucking time his code word.
Speaker 1: They should uh, they should give this me the birth
noll and be like you should start you start saying
this and the punisher, you know, like anytime, maybe he
was inspired by this. He could just yell.
Speaker 4: Who's winning punisher or Billy Santa the.
Speaker 2: Ship of the fucking box Cutter.
Speaker 1: This guy is like he's not even like a like
a Sea tier villain. He's like a guy that Frank
just kills all the way to get King Ben. You know.
Speaker 3: But we want to put this guy in the wheel though,
for the next Geek versus.
Speaker 1: Versus on it. Yeah, we usually take fan request, but
next year.
Speaker 3: For the ge make sure you put that in there.
Speaker 1: We'll put Billy in there. And people also remember here.
But yeah, from Silent Night, Deadly Night, because uh yeah,
he lose to many people, but I'm sure there's somebody
he would get.
Speaker 2: I think he would lose to Prime Mother Superior, you know,
like when when she's not old and frail, her with
the belt. I feel like she could take him out.
Speaker 3: Maybe. Yeah, yeah, just put a key hole in front
of him. He'll get distracted and then she can come
in there.
Speaker 2: The little horn dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I had was just that the
montage when he got his job was all grown up,
which is very like Kitty. It was just like just
cheap eighties music, Like he's doing this and he's waving
to people just like, you know, best life ever. And
you know, obviously it wasn't because.
Speaker 5: They pulled the banner out with Santa and he was
just fucking scattering at it.
Speaker 2: He just got his sad face on. He's like, man,
just fucking get a different job, Like, like, job.
Speaker 4: Is the job?
Speaker 2: Aren't really this bad that you have to dress up?
Is the one thing you have? Like PTSD from murdered
your whole family. I guess it's the eighties.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's harder you can't just go work at
a tim Ortons or something, but fucked like anything else.
Speaker 1: Well and honestly too, like you're talking about the eighties
they I feel like even now, it's still taking a
lot of time to talk about mental health and oppression
and all this stuff. Right like before she's like, oh
walk it off, kid, Right where now, I feel like
we're getting more of a concept. I think most people
are getting more of a concept of oh, yeah, these
are things that can be really hard in your life,
and there's way so you can treat them, whether they're
with friends or medically or a therapist, whatever it may be.
But even in the a'es, I still think i'd understand,
and especially too, I feel like the boss that he had,
Like obviously there's the guy that he doesn't like, but
his boss boss seems like a nice enough guy who went,
you know what, my parents were murdered by a guy
out of Santa Clau costume, And I just I don't
feel the grace about it because why couldn't the other
guy Maybe I miss this, why couldn't the other guy
address up a sunda the guy that was a dickhead right?
Speaker 2: In no sense?
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was.
Speaker 3: I guess he was the superior and they deemed that
to be like a lower.
Speaker 1: I guess so. But that's what it's like. I I
just feel like with this character they showed us, this
boss seem nice enough that if you just say, hey,
this really bad thing happened to me, I'd prefer not.
I'll see. Our character is a bit more of a
rec loose, but uh yeah, I know he put on
that costume. It was just a traumatic because the thing too,
they showed that line. There's a lot of kids, It's like,
was every kid just like you? Better be better. Like
it must have been a long, really long day for him.
You know that the drinking and then seeing the girl
make out with the other guy just send him over
the edge.
Speaker 3: And then is it like, is the same night when
he goes on like the rest of the rampage or
is that like day later? No, I think so, because
that's like one of the longest days anyone's ever had.
Speaker 2: I feel like, not a silent night either, put.
Speaker 3: In at least in eight hours in doing a job
you don't want to do, co work, you know, work party,
kill various people. Yeah, that's quite the night.
Speaker 1: I just say, Oh, he got a pretty I'll say,
like easy death, Like he just got shot a couple
times and passed away. You know, I was kind of
surprised he didn't get like a meteor thing. I know
we're supposed to feel somewhat bad for this character, but
once he just popped off and started killing completely inocent people,
I never really felt bad for Billy ever. Again, I
think there is a movie you could do this in
a way where you don't want to like Joker, right
where Arthur's doing these things. You saw the person he was,
and you feel bad, but it gets to the point
where like, oh man, he's just too far gone. I
can't trust this guy and I can't root for him.
But like I never was really rooty, Like once he
killed this like the girl that he liked, It's like,
why am supposed root for this guy at all? Just
because she was a little rude or wasn't itself. And
he said, there's a way to do this, but maybe
walk in Phoenix. He can be in the third remake
when they get there.
Speaker 3: You know, I could see him doing Billy.
Speaker 1: I could definitely see him doing a billy anything else
before we do some trivia here.
Speaker 3: I'm noteless, I got less.
Speaker 1: Got nothing. Okay. So this had a budget of seven
hundred and fifty million, and it made a box office
a two point five million, which is pretty good considering
when I'm out to tell you in a second about
being pulled from the theaters. But yeah, pretty good. They
did put out a second one in a limited release
that I had a budget of two fifty and one fifty.
So then after that just became as straight to DVD
or VHS franchise at the time. So it opened the
same weekend as Nightmare on Elm Street and briefly outgrows
the film by one hundred and sixty one thousand dollars.
Oh sorry, I I mentioned thirty one dollars back then
to now is ninety six dollars.
Speaker 2: Sold three shots to the head for that guy.
Speaker 1: Pretty good fight. For seven eleven, the film was playing
in more than twice the theaters as Nightmare was. By
the second weekend, sales dropped about forty five percent, probably
because the release of this film was picketed by angry
parents who were not happy to see Santa Claus depicted
as an axe murderer, despite the fact that the Tales
of the Crypt move from nineteen seventy two had done
the exact same thing twelve years earlier. And I guess
there's also a movie called Christmas Evil that did the
same thing where there was a killer of Santa So
I guess the producer and directors were like, people have
done this before, Like why now? But I guess it
was just at a time. As a result, box office
receipts plummeted once the film was pulled from theaters after
barely two weeks. The film was shelved for another year
before He was released on VHS uncut which has since
gone out of print. So yeah, I guess that's what
happened where And like, obviously, nowadays we talk about theatrical
window and all this stuff where it's like, oh, if
your film bombs, that's it. You had about seventeen days,
maybe fourteen, and that's it. But this is a time
where it's like films played for a while, it takes
a while to get the vhs. Just imagine that that
market where you're used to seeing a movie in the theaters,
it's maybe there for three four months. Your movie's only
there for two weeks. That's that's crazy, you know. So
two point five million, with all's controversy, with the budget,
pretty pretty darn good for what happened. All the film's
TV ads were pulled off networks because the trailer was
showing Santa carry acts. This motivated parents to protest the film,
resulting of being Yeah, already talked about all the ink
death theater. So it just sounds like people decided this
film was gonna crup the kids, and they were hitting
it everywhere. TV stations, movie theaters, like everywhere. They're like,
you cannot be playing Silent Night, Deadly Night. So I
kind of got like a big cult falling there, so
let's see, so who's mother superior? The actress admitted it
was a mistake the center of the film's campaign on
Santa Claus, and believed it would generate farthest controversy if
the studio had focused on Billy's psychological aspect. The the
guy who played Billy, Robert Brian Wilson, said he felt
ashamed by the controversy, so he told his friends and
family to avoid seeing the film. Years later, after teny
or three anniversary's screening and meeting the fans here Versus Stance,
Wilson has since made appearances horror conventions and given interviews
about his work on the film. At the time when
this was got released, the whole crew thought the religious
aspect was what was going to get them in trouble,
and they thought nothing about the Santa Claus that got
all this stuff with the church and the noun like
people are gonna push back on that, so we gotta
be ready, not at all.
Speaker 2: People didn't care at all about that. Normal, yeah, not
doing this.
Speaker 1: There was six minutes edited out of the film to
avoid it X rating, reducing the run time to from
eighty five minutes to seventy nine minutes, So yeah, it
was a so what about Yeah six minutes longer.
Speaker 3: Seventh pair of tits is what put it over the
edge of the X rating. So they hadn't made that.
Speaker 1: I I hadn't read this. The cut scenes include a
few extra character beats and some more gory shots. Let's
see some of the missing footage from the Blue ray. Yeah,
so it sounds like it's just more kills and whatnot.
Speaker 3: It's kind of surprised, like, I don't know, I feel
like people get shot in the head, heads, getting decapitated,
getting stepped through antlers, a lot of boobs. I don't
think there's a lot of swearing in the movie, if
I remember.
Speaker 1: Like too much, a couple couple f bombs and dann.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like they probably got would have
got the highest rating anyway, I would have thought with this,
but maybe not.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I guess whatever those maybe I wonder like,
even with the antler kills scene, if that was a
bit more grotesque.
Speaker 3: Well usually it's like blood too is a big one.
There's a lot of blood in this movie as well. Yeah,
red splatter everywhere.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the antlers if like guts were popping
out or something like that, you know, in the original
cut and stuff. So I don't know, I'm not gonna
seek out the six minutes.
Speaker 2: But they used a crucifix, they used the religious object.
Speaker 1: That's not good. Many kill scenes were directed by the
editor Michael Spence. Do the director Charlie Seller, being uncomfortable
with hindering handling gore heavy parts of the film.
Speaker 3: Uh, how did this guy get hired.
Speaker 1: The film? Which this is a sad say, and the
film's controversy led to Charles Seller. The guy just talked
about having a difficult time finding work as director, forcing
him to retire from filmmaking and focus on producing instead.
So I think he made like a film or two
after but it sounded like after this, like no one
would touch him. And it's not like nowadays where something
happens and you kind of go away for a little
bit and then work your way up. Just sound like
you kind of put an analyst career. So it's kind
of unfortunate. But yeah, that's an odd fit right where
why would he do that? But I guess that still
happens today, but definitely in the seventies eighties there's tons
of people that directed movies just because the studios like,
we need a director, this will get you credit, here's
some money, and go. So he probably got stuck with
The Silent Night, Deadly Knight. They're pitching all this stuff, okay, sure,
and then poor guy, this movie comes out and his
careers is fucking over because they hate the movie he made.
So yeah, I hope. I don't know. I don't think
he's alive anymore, but I hope. Uh, I hope near
the end fans found him and whatnot. But so where
was this? In an audio interview with the director with Fangoria,
the director stayed many times that this film was based
on a book called Sleigh Ride by Paul Camey. In reality,
there was no such book. Paul Camey, then a student
at Harvard, submitted a script to the producers of the
film that had a line about a killer Sanna. The
producers of the film expanded upon that single idea to
make this film and wanted to give the writer credit.
They gave him a story by credit. So for many
for like a bunch of like leading up to this film,
like yeah, it was based on a story, based on
the story It was just some guy in Harvard that
wrote like a couple of lines down like oh what
about this movie? And then they bought it, made a
whole movie and then gave him the story by credit.
So there you go. So there's your tributa for Night
Deadly Night. So a lot it was just more just
controversial stuff. But uh, who wants who wants their rates
film first? He wants to take a stab at this,
you know, m.
Speaker 2: Oh think I'll take a swing here. I'm gonna fail
this movie, but just barely. I think I'm gonna give
it like a four point eight. I think if they
just did a better job at like connecting some of
the tissue of like the intending incident with Billy, of
like what just fucked him up to like actually tying
maybe even just that villain to him a little bit more,
or the grandpa a little bit more. It just it
almost felt to me like it was like an evil
dead thing. He got the he got cursed by the
necronomicon and then he just became Sanna, and like I
just needed a little bit more of like seeing that progression,
I think, and like I actually think it would have
been pretty damn solid if that part of the film
was just a little bit buttoned up. We still would
have had some terrible dialogue, still had had some some
titties in there for the sake of having titties. But like,
I think, just actually doing a better job with our
main Billy because we are felt like we're following him
throughout his whole life. This is this is something that
has cursed him his whole life of just every Christmas
dealing with the sand of thing. And I just think, yeah,
if we cleaned up just just the story around him specifically,
this could have been significantly better. I'm a little bit
curious if, like the other ones do that. I like,
I'm not gonna go watch them, but like maybe I'll
just check out like the ratings, Like see what like
the general.
Speaker 1: Audience year people, you can put a number two if
you want.
Speaker 2: Could be a Golden Geeks contenter who knows Night Deadly
Night for this year.
Speaker 3: We could be Halloween retro, could be a Christmas retro.
Speaker 2: It could fit many categories. But uh yeah, I not
enough in here to pass. This one just just didn't
really make a lot of sense at at various stages.
But yeah, no, there you go.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take the mirror image of kirkland score. I'll
go with the five point two to balance out a
nice ten between the two of us. I for me,
this is definitely a pass because I had a fun
time watching the movie. But obviously, you know, it's very
easy to nitpick all the issues that has, but I
just feel like it's me. It doesn't have a bad
story because it tried and failed. I just don't think
it tried to have a good story at all. It
like kind of no, it staged in its lane for
the most part. I guess is where I'm at with it.
And yeah, I had a fun time watching it, and
obviously the end kind of dragged a bit, but like
for the most part, it kind of you know, respected
my time for the most part, And yeah, I will
I watch it again. Know would I like it less
every time I watched it?
Speaker 1: Likely?
Speaker 3: Yes, But for today, in the one view, I'm happy,
nice little five point two. I'm on my way see
you next see it never, I guess, but yeah, I'm
happy with this. It's a good five point two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's definitely gonna be a pass,
but not by much. I'm probably gonna go maybe a
five point five. I'm not quite at that six.
Speaker 4: I feel like six is being a bit too generous.
And I just think.
Speaker 5: Without rush the beginning was I was there for the
comedic aspect of it, but entertainment wise, it just doesn't
have enough to really rope me in or pull me in.
And I felt like there wasn't really any kind of
come up a's with. I mean, you guys already talked
about superior and just her being the source, no more
like a secondary source of just the causation for him
being so traumatized and just punished, punished and naughty and naughty,
and then she she just survives. She's just there at
the end, she closed her eyes, she was ready to
take it, you know, just that act to the head,
and she didn't. The captain obviously saves her. But yeah,
I just think that they did not highlight much. They
didn't give us much development with the characters, and really
just comes down to Billy just being abused and then
abusing and murdering other people. Well that's that's basically it
for a story. There's nothing else to really pull from it.
But it's it's definitely a funny thing to kind of
break down and and talk about because it is so
wacky and zany, and I wouldn't allot it with the
other kind of eighties seventies horror movies.
Speaker 4: I think there's definitely other ones.
Speaker 5: While they're all very cheesy, there's other ones that I
would just prioritize more because I'm definitely biased in that regard.
But yeah, that being said, there's enough steam here though
that I've passed it, and enough steam here that I'm
curious what the second one is like. And now that
I know the brother is doing the second and the third,
that's just that's nuts. So I got to know what kind.
Speaker 1: Of story a couple of times.
Speaker 4: But oh, of course, yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1: A different actor in three, different actor in.
Speaker 4: Four what's his name?
Speaker 5: In Friday thirteen he gets Frea Yes, yeah, Billy gets
or Tommy yeah, no, Billy.
Speaker 4: The crossover we don't don't need. Yeah, So there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say five. I think enjoyment level like
just for oh Man shots and giggles, wild movie. I'm
not gonna seven, like somewhere in there, like I had
a good time watching this, didn't feel like the slog
I've watched much worse things on that aspect where okay,
story is not great, there's not like anything really to
write home as far as visuals or anything, and then
it just sucks overall, where at least I had a
good time and this was fun outrageous. But I'd say
as a film, I'm gonna go right out of five,
I'm gonna pass it for I'll give it that it
had a while from point A to point B. There's
some fun kills in there. It wasn't too long, I guess,
but yeah, I guess I still have seen worse, but
it's just, yeah, I think a more pass for just
some of the I guess risks they took at that time,
but I didn't even know if they were ly well
clearly clearly they were risks as the film got pulled,
So I guess I will say for the risks they
took it that time, but they didn't even know what
was gonna happen. So yeah, no, I that's all put
I'll put it. I'll put out of five. I would
not even hate, like this is a movie. If I
was watching with like if you hadn't seen it, I
would ease like, oh, we should put this on and
I think you could have a good time with it,
so uh yeah, I wouldn't be completely opposed to whether
it's a Halloween or the Christmas of someone puts in
the sequel and seeing again, it's not like something that Okay,
I saw that, I can kiss that goodbye. Now. Granted,
I'm not gonna seek it out without that. I'm not
like Taylor kind of dying. You know what might happen next.
But hey, the brother coming on as a killer that
that sounds like a good enough sequel. That's a good time.
But yeah, I had a fun enough time here, got
some giggles, got some laughs, and I'm happy to check
it off because it's like a little piece of history.
I had no idea, and but I will actually, because
I do like the actor. I will watch the remake
of this when that gets to good. So I'll watch
the remake because, like I said before, I do think
there's stories and aspects here and things that you can
continue on to make a great thing. And it's funny.
I forgot to say this when I was saying making
my Terrified comparisons on the It's like from the team
that bought you Terrifier two and three so I feel
like with that being gory, this is only going to
be terrified gory. But I think this new one is
gonna be even deadly er. So yeah, I'll check it
out at some point. But there you go. This is Jemen.
That is your Christmas retrospective for twenty twenty five. Definitely
probably the darkest Christmas move we've done. And yeah, we'll
be back next year, just in case. This could be
for the main feed, This could be the last time
you're hearing from us, because usually we released this last
episode between I don't know, I don't know if it's
not have a good Christmas, a new year, all that stuff,
just in case to cover our bases. So yeah, and
next time we talk to you won't be boring.
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