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<v Speaker 1>KRSE Detalk station. Very happy Wednesday to you, thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando suns If we're joining the program and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from Judge Napalatano at eight thirty Jason Williams

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bengals stadium upgrades one point two billion that's

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<v Speaker 1>later in the program. Is on in the meantime. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Frank LeRose,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Secretary of State. Welcome back, sir, It's always a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have you on my program.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Heyray Brian. Yeah, you know, yesterday was voter registration

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<v Speaker 2>day nationwide. We're reminding people that's only only a few

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<v Speaker 2>days left to go. October seventh is the deadline. Got

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<v Speaker 2>to get registered to vote if you're not already, or

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<v Speaker 2>update your information.

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<v Speaker 1>Any indication statistics or compilations otherwise reflecting an increased number

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<v Speaker 1>of people registering, are we flat? I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wondering if there's more interest given it's a presidential election

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<v Speaker 1>and in terms of folks registering to vote or otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>updating their records.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as much as we expect. Honestly, we're seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of same kind of high traffic at our

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<v Speaker 2>vote Ohio dot voter registration website that we would normally

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<v Speaker 2>see in a presidential election year. And that's a good thing,

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<v Speaker 2>is get eight million registered voters in the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're also taking deceased voters off the rolls and

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<v Speaker 2>taking non citizens off and when people become inactive for

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<v Speaker 2>six years, so we make it both easy to vote

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<v Speaker 2>in hard to cheat. We're we're moving bad data from

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<v Speaker 2>the voting roles, and people can plain about that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's my job. And we're also seeing high numbers of

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<v Speaker 2>voter registration.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to complicate matters and get you in

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<v Speaker 1>an area where you feel out of your elements. So

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<v Speaker 1>please feel please feel free, because I am out of

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<v Speaker 1>my element. I with all the concerns about Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and the assassination attempts a lot of people and I

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<v Speaker 1>think legitimately so are concerned that, well, what if something

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<v Speaker 1>happens either to Trump or Harris. For example, in the

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<v Speaker 1>waning days before November and voting day, ballots have already

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<v Speaker 1>been issued, names have already been placed on, deadlines have

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<v Speaker 1>come and gone. Is it possible to substitute a candidate

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<v Speaker 1>in the event of some tragedy between now and November,

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<v Speaker 1>and and how would we deal with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a question for constitutional scholars. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different thought and writing out there. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it comes down to the party having the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to replace a candidate. But yeah, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to speculate on that. I will say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we sell, we settle our political differences using ballots, not bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>And this the heated rhetoric calling Donald Trump an enemy

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<v Speaker 2>of democracy, and even the Cincinnati Inquirer running this silly

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<v Speaker 2>letter to the editor saying that he brought this on himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that kind of stuff has to stop, and

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<v Speaker 2>we should we should lower the temperature on the political

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<v Speaker 2>rhetoric a little bit. And there's just no place for

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<v Speaker 2>violence or for violent threats and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, amen to that. And how about military voters. I

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<v Speaker 1>know overseas military folks quite often their votes aren't we

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<v Speaker 1>there's some suggestion maybe they're not counted or they're delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work? Secretary of State Lores Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for acting. Actually, this is something obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>have some personal experience, but I was that guy when

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<v Speaker 2>I served in Kosovo way back. That waited until like

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<v Speaker 2>the end of October to request my ballot, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course it didn't arrive until like Thanksgiving, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>far past a chance to vote. Yeah. I actually worked

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<v Speaker 2>on this when I was in the state Senate. I

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<v Speaker 2>passed the bill that created Ohio's more modernized system for

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<v Speaker 2>what we call yuakava voting, which just means uniformed and

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<v Speaker 2>overseas civilian voting, and that begins in two days. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Friday is when overseason military voting begins, and they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to request their ballots right now. The boards of elections

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<v Speaker 2>can start transmitting those ballots on Friday, and that means

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<v Speaker 2>election season is here in forty eight hours. We have

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting way of doing this, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't realize you can actually email mail someone their

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<v Speaker 2>ballot when they're serving overseas. Now they have to print it,

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<v Speaker 2>physically print it, and physically mail it back with a

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<v Speaker 2>wet ink signature on it. But by being able to

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<v Speaker 2>email them essentially a PDF of their ballot, it cuts

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<v Speaker 2>that transit time down of getting it to them. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>foreign mail systems and the US Defense Department mail system

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<v Speaker 2>moves kind of slow and so it cuts that transit

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<v Speaker 2>time down again. The physical copy has to get mailed back,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can get their ballot electronically and that begins

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<v Speaker 2>this Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>This Friday, it's amazing how quickly this election is coming.

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<v Speaker 1>It's full steam. Ad pause, We'll bring back Secretary Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>State Frank LeRose, a nationwide issue concern over illegal immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>voting and registering to vote. We're going to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>them about purging the voting roles and potential election fraud

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<v Speaker 1>and what's being done about that also, and looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to this conversation, a discussion about issue one, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Thomas with Oiosecretary Secretary of State Frank LeRose. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>pivot to the idea of the vote or fraud and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps illegal immigrants voting in federal elections. What they're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do registering to vote, whether or not they

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<v Speaker 1>actually vote. What are you doing to secure the well

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<v Speaker 1>the integrity of vote here in Ohio relative to this

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<v Speaker 1>influx of illegal immigrants. My understanding is they're entiled to

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<v Speaker 1>go get a driver's license, but you can automatically get

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<v Speaker 1>registered to vote, and that they don't check your immigration

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<v Speaker 1>status when you fill out that form. Where are we

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<v Speaker 1>in o Hio on that Secretary of State?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so a couple of things to update. And just

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<v Speaker 2>as far as terms here, we're talking about not just

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<v Speaker 2>illegal but also legal non citizens. Right, So for example,

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<v Speaker 2>those folks that we're talking about in springtid those are

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<v Speaker 2>legally here under UG status or whatever. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people are here with student visas or work visas, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just illegals. The other thing to be clear

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<v Speaker 2>about is in Ohio you have to be here on

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<v Speaker 2>legal status to get a driver's license or a state idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you run across the border and you're here

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<v Speaker 2>without any documentation, you can't be an ill legal and

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<v Speaker 2>get a driver's license in Ohio or a state ID.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also are taking this process really seriously in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would challenge you to find there's no Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of state in America that's doing more to identify non

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<v Speaker 2>citizens and remove them from the voter rules than we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this very simple idea that only Americans can

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<v Speaker 2>vote in American elections. It's our state constitution that says that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also federal and state law now we work with

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<v Speaker 2>our BMV to identify once someone has registered to vote,

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<v Speaker 2>if they are a non citizen, we identify them and

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<v Speaker 2>then remove them from the voter rules. That process happens

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, and it's an ongoing process. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>static thing that just happened once. We're doing it as

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<v Speaker 2>we speak, and we'll continue to up through election day.

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<v Speaker 2>So the old thaying is, well, i'll clean it up

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<v Speaker 2>for the radio. If you mess around, you'll find out

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<v Speaker 2>if you attempt to register to vote in Ohio as

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<v Speaker 2>a non citizen, we will catch you, You'll be removed

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<v Speaker 2>from the voter rules, and I will refer you for prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already done this almost six hundred times this year

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<v Speaker 2>when we have found non citizens registering to vote. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this idea that you can get away with it

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not in Ohio. And again, we believe that there

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<v Speaker 2>should be consequences when you break the law, and registering

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<v Speaker 2>to vote illegally is a felony, and I refer those

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<v Speaker 2>for prosecution. I testified in front of Congress about this

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<v Speaker 2>me to come up and testify in Congress is that

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio has established itself as a leader in this, but

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government doesn't make it easy. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 2>put as many obstacles in my way as possible. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't give us access to several key databases for who's

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<v Speaker 2>a citizen and who's not. I'm actually considering filing a

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit against the US Department of Homeland Security. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that need to work with the AG to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're working through those conversations. But DHS does

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<v Speaker 2>not give us access to databases which they are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to give us access to. We do, however, use our

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<v Speaker 2>state VMV data. There is one federal database they will

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<v Speaker 2>let us use, but it is income complete, but it

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<v Speaker 2>gives us at least a good chance of finding and

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<v Speaker 2>removing those non citizens that attempt to register to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Tohile sounds to me like the federal government isn't really

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily willing to cooperate with you in your efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>keep illegals from voter, well not non citizens from voting, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Question about it. And we've tried repeatedly to get access

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<v Speaker 2>to this they won't give it to us. And even

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<v Speaker 2>the one that they do give us access to, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing called the SAVE database requires us to pay a

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<v Speaker 2>fee every time we use it. So each query I do,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to pay the federal government a dollar fifty fee,

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<v Speaker 2>which is stupid, it's not even worth collecting. But fine,

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<v Speaker 2>we do that, and then we have to manually enter

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<v Speaker 2>all this data. So I've got a whole team of

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<v Speaker 2>people sitting there typing numbers into a federal database to

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<v Speaker 2>check these. But what we need to do is pass

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<v Speaker 2>what's called the Save Act. This was passed by Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>It was passed by Congress a few months ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's being held up in the Senate by none other

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<v Speaker 2>than Shared Brown and in his colleagues that don't want

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<v Speaker 2>it to pass, but it should. And it would require

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<v Speaker 2>front end citizen verification, which we can't do right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, we can't do that on the front end.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be this kind of look back once

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<v Speaker 2>someone has already filed a voter registration form, although we

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<v Speaker 2>do it very rapidly at Ohio. Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in an event with the Northeast Republican Women's

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<v Speaker 1>Group and I heard a presentation on this particular topic,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it overlapped. I understand you met with

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome Corsi and Andrew Paquette about this alleged evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>a secret algorithm that's been encoded into the Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Elections. And I understand that on Monday a

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<v Speaker 1>complaint was filed with you and the Ohio Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>State with regarding this documentation on the cryptographic algorithm that

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Andrew Piquette found, and they say it was for

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of covert data manipulation. Where are what is

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<v Speaker 1>this all about? And is this something you're taking seriously

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<v Speaker 1>or is this just conspiracy theory swirling around?

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<v Speaker 2>So my approach and we get a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>right now. This is not the only one. My team

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<v Speaker 2>did meet with this group, and we've met with others,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have dozens of these kinds of things that

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<v Speaker 2>pop up. They always seem to come right before an election.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we work on this three hundred and sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>days a year. But people, you know, come up with

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<v Speaker 2>these things. We take them seriously. I told my team

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<v Speaker 2>it's like this, if if they get a nine to

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<v Speaker 2>one one call, even if it's clearly a prank, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to still send an officer out because they can't

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<v Speaker 2>take the chance of a false report not being false, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we take every one of these seriously. We

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<v Speaker 2>investigate these. That one that you're talking about in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like a lot of mathematicians with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of false assumptions looking at a massive database

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<v Speaker 2>of eight million registered voters and then trying to extrapolate

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<v Speaker 2>some data from that. That makes it look as though

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<v Speaker 2>there's some sort of cheating hab It seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>based on a lot of false assumptions and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, very complex mathematical analysis. To us, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like any sign that there's any you know,

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<v Speaker 2>anything that freus certainly if they brought us evidence, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's our challenge to them, is bring us evidence, not

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<v Speaker 2>just theories. We get, you know, regression analysis and hey,

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<v Speaker 2>look at this scatterplot and all of this stuff. Bring

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<v Speaker 2>us evidence, not just a theory, and then we'll pursue prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, thus far they haven't brought us any evidence. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And the.

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<v Speaker 1>Group that spoke at the Republican Women's Meeting said that

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<v Speaker 1>this has been brought up here to the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>State's office attention year after year. They're a legislative fixed that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even if this wasn't actually manipulated, that there's

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<v Speaker 1>ways around it to fix it, to ensure that nothing

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<v Speaker 1>can be manipulated. So at least that was the assertion

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<v Speaker 1>from the men who gave the presentation. I just I

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<v Speaker 1>know every one of my listeners has concerns about electronic

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<v Speaker 1>manipulation of the vote. You know, if you had a

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<v Speaker 1>paper ballot and it had to be physically counted and

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<v Speaker 1>it was right there, you could back you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to see and verify whether it was accurately counted

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<v Speaker 1>or not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But going through computers and concerns about Wi Fi is

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<v Speaker 1>being hacked and all that, I know, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>big concern.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me address that. What the group that you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is claiming is fraud with the voter registration system.

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<v Speaker 2>That's separate from fraud with actually counting and tabulating votes.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, we have in Ohio one paper ballots

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<v Speaker 2>every ballot cast in Ohio. So we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about now the security of the actual tabulation of votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Every vote cast in Ohio is on paper without exception.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent of the time. We use machines that

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<v Speaker 2>are never connected to the internet. They're what we call

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<v Speaker 2>air gaps. They're not connected to anything other than the

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<v Speaker 2>wall outlet that powers them. Those get tested right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're being tested by our county boards of Elections through

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<v Speaker 2>a full battery of tests called the Logic and Accuracy Test.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrat and Republican technical experts at each Board of Elections

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<v Speaker 2>test those those machines use. We use those on election

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<v Speaker 2>night to give you that rapid result. If you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have that, you wouldn't get a result on election I

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<v Speaker 2>think you wouldn't got a result for a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>probably until after the election. Because every ballot in Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>may have fifteen twenty different questions on it. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just one issue on the ballot, so hand counting all

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<v Speaker 2>of those on election night would be impossible. So we

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<v Speaker 2>use the machine to give you that rapid result on

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<v Speaker 2>election night, and then a few weeks later we count

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<v Speaker 2>all the paper and compare those electron compare those side

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<v Speaker 2>by side, right, so they have to reconcile. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like this. People say you can't cheat with paper, Well

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<v Speaker 2>that's nonsense. Chicago in the nineteen sixties proved you can

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<v Speaker 2>cheat with paper any system. Right with people involved has

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities for those people to do the wrong thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have the redundancy of both an electronic count on

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<v Speaker 2>election night and then a paper hand count that have

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<v Speaker 2>to reconcile against each other. And that redundancy, that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of balancing the checkbook is why we have a very

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<v Speaker 2>secure and safe, reliable system for counting ballots in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>To the extent it's even possible. I wanted to speak

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<v Speaker 1>of that Issue one. We're almost at a time. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in know on want, I've looked into it. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the Republican Party stands on in Ohio. Any

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<v Speaker 1>brief summary on Issue one and where you are Frank Leros.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually, this morning we're holding a meeting of the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot board to make some very minor changes to the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot language. It's crucial that we get that done today

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<v Speaker 2>because those ballots get printed in two days for overseason

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<v Speaker 2>and military voters. As I told you, Issue one requires

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<v Speaker 2>a group of unaccountable individuals to gerrymander the state to

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<v Speaker 2>create a specific political outcome. That is true language, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the Ohio Supreme Court upheld. It's important for

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<v Speaker 2>Ohioans to try to understand this thing, thirteen thousand word

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<v Speaker 2>long amendment that requires jerrymandering and will result in all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of really comported districts and that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing to note is who's funding this twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six million dollars so far? Eighty five percent of that

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<v Speaker 2>money has come in from out of state, including six

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars from a Swiss billionaire who's trying to change

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<v Speaker 2>the way Ohio draws district lines. I think Ohilan should

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<v Speaker 2>reject this.

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<v Speaker 1>That speaks volumes right there. Secretary State, Frank Loris, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for the time you spend my listeners to me this

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<v Speaker 1>morning on the morning show. I'll look forward to talking

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<v Speaker 1>with you again and keep up the great work. Thanks Brian,

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