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Speaker 1: back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Frank LeRose,
Speaker 1: Ohio Secretary of State. Welcome back, sir, It's always a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on my program.
Speaker 2: Well, Heyray Brian. Yeah, you know, yesterday was voter registration
Speaker 2: day nationwide. We're reminding people that's only only a few
Speaker 2: days left to go. October seventh is the deadline. Got
Speaker 2: to get registered to vote if you're not already, or
Speaker 2: update your information.
Speaker 1: Any indication statistics or compilations otherwise reflecting an increased number
Speaker 1: of people registering, are we flat? I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: wondering if there's more interest given it's a presidential election
Speaker 1: and in terms of folks registering to vote or otherwise
Speaker 1: updating their records.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as we expect. Honestly, we're seeing the
Speaker 2: same kind of same kind of high traffic at our
Speaker 2: vote Ohio dot voter registration website that we would normally
Speaker 2: see in a presidential election year. And that's a good thing,
Speaker 2: is get eight million registered voters in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: And we're also taking deceased voters off the rolls and
Speaker 2: taking non citizens off and when people become inactive for
Speaker 2: six years, so we make it both easy to vote
Speaker 2: in hard to cheat. We're we're moving bad data from
Speaker 2: the voting roles, and people can plain about that, but
Speaker 2: it's my job. And we're also seeing high numbers of
Speaker 2: voter registration.
Speaker 1: I don't want to complicate matters and get you in
Speaker 1: an area where you feel out of your elements. So
Speaker 1: please feel please feel free, because I am out of
Speaker 1: my element. I with all the concerns about Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and the assassination attempts a lot of people and I
Speaker 1: think legitimately so are concerned that, well, what if something
Speaker 1: happens either to Trump or Harris. For example, in the
Speaker 1: waning days before November and voting day, ballots have already
Speaker 1: been issued, names have already been placed on, deadlines have
Speaker 1: come and gone. Is it possible to substitute a candidate
Speaker 1: in the event of some tragedy between now and November,
Speaker 1: and and how would we deal with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a question for constitutional scholars. There's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of different thought and writing out there. A
Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to the party having the
Speaker 2: opportunity to replace a candidate. But yeah, I don't want
Speaker 2: to speculate on that. I will say that, you know,
Speaker 2: we sell, we settle our political differences using ballots, not bullets.
Speaker 2: And this the heated rhetoric calling Donald Trump an enemy
Speaker 2: of democracy, and even the Cincinnati Inquirer running this silly
Speaker 2: letter to the editor saying that he brought this on himself.
Speaker 2: I mean, that kind of stuff has to stop, and
Speaker 2: we should we should lower the temperature on the political
Speaker 2: rhetoric a little bit. And there's just no place for
Speaker 2: violence or for violent threats and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Well, amen to that. And how about military voters. I
Speaker 1: know overseas military folks quite often their votes aren't we
Speaker 1: there's some suggestion maybe they're not counted or they're delayed.
Speaker 1: How does that work? Secretary of State Lores Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for acting. Actually, this is something obviously I
Speaker 2: have some personal experience, but I was that guy when
Speaker 2: I served in Kosovo way back. That waited until like
Speaker 2: the end of October to request my ballot, and of
Speaker 2: course it didn't arrive until like Thanksgiving, so it was
Speaker 2: far past a chance to vote. Yeah. I actually worked
Speaker 2: on this when I was in the state Senate. I
Speaker 2: passed the bill that created Ohio's more modernized system for
Speaker 2: what we call yuakava voting, which just means uniformed and
Speaker 2: overseas civilian voting, and that begins in two days. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Friday is when overseason military voting begins, and they're able
Speaker 2: to request their ballots right now. The boards of elections
Speaker 2: can start transmitting those ballots on Friday, and that means
Speaker 2: election season is here in forty eight hours. We have
Speaker 2: an interesting way of doing this, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't realize you can actually email mail someone their
Speaker 2: ballot when they're serving overseas. Now they have to print it,
Speaker 2: physically print it, and physically mail it back with a
Speaker 2: wet ink signature on it. But by being able to
Speaker 2: email them essentially a PDF of their ballot, it cuts
Speaker 2: that transit time down of getting it to them. Sometimes
Speaker 2: foreign mail systems and the US Defense Department mail system
Speaker 2: moves kind of slow and so it cuts that transit
Speaker 2: time down again. The physical copy has to get mailed back,
Speaker 2: but they can get their ballot electronically and that begins
Speaker 2: this Friday.
Speaker 1: This Friday, it's amazing how quickly this election is coming.
Speaker 1: It's full steam. Ad pause, We'll bring back Secretary Secretary
Speaker 1: State Frank LeRose, a nationwide issue concern over illegal immigrants
Speaker 1: voting and registering to vote. We're going to talk to
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with Oiosecretary Secretary of State Frank LeRose. Let's
Speaker 1: pivot to the idea of the vote or fraud and
Speaker 1: perhaps illegal immigrants voting in federal elections. What they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to do registering to vote, whether or not they
Speaker 1: actually vote. What are you doing to secure the well
Speaker 1: the integrity of vote here in Ohio relative to this
Speaker 1: influx of illegal immigrants. My understanding is they're entiled to
Speaker 1: go get a driver's license, but you can automatically get
Speaker 1: registered to vote, and that they don't check your immigration
Speaker 1: status when you fill out that form. Where are we
Speaker 1: in o Hio on that Secretary of State?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a couple of things to update. And just
Speaker 2: as far as terms here, we're talking about not just
Speaker 2: illegal but also legal non citizens. Right, So for example,
Speaker 2: those folks that we're talking about in springtid those are
Speaker 2: legally here under UG status or whatever. A lot of
Speaker 2: people are here with student visas or work visas, so
Speaker 2: it's not just illegals. The other thing to be clear
Speaker 2: about is in Ohio you have to be here on
Speaker 2: legal status to get a driver's license or a state idea.
Speaker 2: So if you run across the border and you're here
Speaker 2: without any documentation, you can't be an ill legal and
Speaker 2: get a driver's license in Ohio or a state ID.
Speaker 2: But we also are taking this process really seriously in Ohio,
Speaker 2: and I would challenge you to find there's no Secretary
Speaker 2: of state in America that's doing more to identify non
Speaker 2: citizens and remove them from the voter rules than we are.
Speaker 2: We have this very simple idea that only Americans can
Speaker 2: vote in American elections. It's our state constitution that says that.
Speaker 2: It's also federal and state law now we work with
Speaker 2: our BMV to identify once someone has registered to vote,
Speaker 2: if they are a non citizen, we identify them and
Speaker 2: then remove them from the voter rules. That process happens
Speaker 2: very quickly, and it's an ongoing process. It's not a
Speaker 2: static thing that just happened once. We're doing it as
Speaker 2: we speak, and we'll continue to up through election day.
Speaker 2: So the old thaying is, well, i'll clean it up
Speaker 2: for the radio. If you mess around, you'll find out
Speaker 2: if you attempt to register to vote in Ohio as
Speaker 2: a non citizen, we will catch you, You'll be removed
Speaker 2: from the voter rules, and I will refer you for prosecution.
Speaker 2: I've already done this almost six hundred times this year
Speaker 2: when we have found non citizens registering to vote. And
Speaker 2: so this idea that you can get away with it
Speaker 2: absolutely not in Ohio. And again, we believe that there
Speaker 2: should be consequences when you break the law, and registering
Speaker 2: to vote illegally is a felony, and I refer those
Speaker 2: for prosecution. I testified in front of Congress about this
Speaker 2: last week, and one of the reasons why they asked
Speaker 2: me to come up and testify in Congress is that
Speaker 2: Ohio has established itself as a leader in this, but
Speaker 2: the federal government doesn't make it easy. In fact, they
Speaker 2: put as many obstacles in my way as possible. They
Speaker 2: don't give us access to several key databases for who's
Speaker 2: a citizen and who's not. I'm actually considering filing a
Speaker 2: lawsuit against the US Department of Homeland Security. Of course,
Speaker 2: that need to work with the AG to do that,
Speaker 2: and so we're working through those conversations. But DHS does
Speaker 2: not give us access to databases which they are supposed
Speaker 2: to give us access to. We do, however, use our
Speaker 2: state VMV data. There is one federal database they will
Speaker 2: let us use, but it is income complete, but it
Speaker 2: gives us at least a good chance of finding and
Speaker 2: removing those non citizens that attempt to register to vote.
Speaker 1: Tohile sounds to me like the federal government isn't really
Speaker 1: necessarily willing to cooperate with you in your efforts to
Speaker 1: keep illegals from voter, well not non citizens from voting, no.
Speaker 2: Question about it. And we've tried repeatedly to get access
Speaker 2: to this they won't give it to us. And even
Speaker 2: the one that they do give us access to, this
Speaker 2: thing called the SAVE database requires us to pay a
Speaker 2: fee every time we use it. So each query I do,
Speaker 2: I have to pay the federal government a dollar fifty fee,
Speaker 2: which is stupid, it's not even worth collecting. But fine,
Speaker 2: we do that, and then we have to manually enter
Speaker 2: all this data. So I've got a whole team of
Speaker 2: people sitting there typing numbers into a federal database to
Speaker 2: check these. But what we need to do is pass
Speaker 2: what's called the Save Act. This was passed by Congress.
Speaker 2: It was passed by Congress a few months ago, and
Speaker 2: it's being held up in the Senate by none other
Speaker 2: than Shared Brown and in his colleagues that don't want
Speaker 2: it to pass, but it should. And it would require
Speaker 2: front end citizen verification, which we can't do right now.
Speaker 2: Right now, we can't do that on the front end.
Speaker 2: It has to be this kind of look back once
Speaker 2: someone has already filed a voter registration form, although we
Speaker 2: do it very rapidly at Ohio. Fair enough.
Speaker 1: I was in an event with the Northeast Republican Women's
Speaker 1: Group and I heard a presentation on this particular topic,
Speaker 1: and I think it overlapped. I understand you met with
Speaker 1: Jerome Corsi and Andrew Paquette about this alleged evidence of
Speaker 1: a secret algorithm that's been encoded into the Ohio State
Speaker 1: Board of Elections. And I understand that on Monday a
Speaker 1: complaint was filed with you and the Ohio Secretary of
Speaker 1: State with regarding this documentation on the cryptographic algorithm that
Speaker 1: doctor Andrew Piquette found, and they say it was for
Speaker 1: the purpose of covert data manipulation. Where are what is
Speaker 1: this all about? And is this something you're taking seriously
Speaker 1: or is this just conspiracy theory swirling around?
Speaker 2: So my approach and we get a lot of these
Speaker 2: right now. This is not the only one. My team
Speaker 2: did meet with this group, and we've met with others,
Speaker 2: but we have dozens of these kinds of things that
Speaker 2: pop up. They always seem to come right before an election.
Speaker 2: Like we work on this three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 2: days a year. But people, you know, come up with
Speaker 2: these things. We take them seriously. I told my team
Speaker 2: it's like this, if if they get a nine to
Speaker 2: one one call, even if it's clearly a prank, they're
Speaker 2: going to still send an officer out because they can't
Speaker 2: take the chance of a false report not being false, right,
Speaker 2: and so we take every one of these seriously. We
Speaker 2: investigate these. That one that you're talking about in particular,
Speaker 2: it seems like a lot of mathematicians with a lot
Speaker 2: of sort of false assumptions looking at a massive database
Speaker 2: of eight million registered voters and then trying to extrapolate
Speaker 2: some data from that. That makes it look as though
Speaker 2: there's some sort of cheating hab It seems to be
Speaker 2: based on a lot of false assumptions and a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, very complex mathematical analysis. To us, it
Speaker 2: doesn't look like any sign that there's any you know,
Speaker 2: anything that freus certainly if they brought us evidence, and
Speaker 2: that's our challenge to them, is bring us evidence, not
Speaker 2: just theories. We get, you know, regression analysis and hey,
Speaker 2: look at this scatterplot and all of this stuff. Bring
Speaker 2: us evidence, not just a theory, and then we'll pursue prosecution.
Speaker 2: Of course, thus far they haven't brought us any evidence. Okay,
Speaker 2: And the.
Speaker 1: Group that spoke at the Republican Women's Meeting said that
Speaker 1: this has been brought up here to the Secretary of
Speaker 1: State's office attention year after year. They're a legislative fixed that,
Speaker 1: you know, even if this wasn't actually manipulated, that there's
Speaker 1: ways around it to fix it, to ensure that nothing
Speaker 1: can be manipulated. So at least that was the assertion
Speaker 1: from the men who gave the presentation. I just I
Speaker 1: know every one of my listeners has concerns about electronic
Speaker 1: manipulation of the vote. You know, if you had a
Speaker 1: paper ballot and it had to be physically counted and
Speaker 1: it was right there, you could back you know, it's
Speaker 1: easy to see and verify whether it was accurately counted
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 2: That's one thing.
Speaker 1: But going through computers and concerns about Wi Fi is
Speaker 1: being hacked and all that, I know, it's just a
Speaker 1: big concern.
Speaker 2: So let me address that. What the group that you're
Speaker 2: talking about is claiming is fraud with the voter registration system.
Speaker 2: That's separate from fraud with actually counting and tabulating votes.
Speaker 2: By the way, we have in Ohio one paper ballots
Speaker 2: every ballot cast in Ohio. So we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about now the security of the actual tabulation of votes.
Speaker 2: Every vote cast in Ohio is on paper without exception.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent of the time. We use machines that
Speaker 2: are never connected to the internet. They're what we call
Speaker 2: air gaps. They're not connected to anything other than the
Speaker 2: wall outlet that powers them. Those get tested right now.
Speaker 2: They're being tested by our county boards of Elections through
Speaker 2: a full battery of tests called the Logic and Accuracy Test.
Speaker 2: Democrat and Republican technical experts at each Board of Elections
Speaker 2: test those those machines use. We use those on election
Speaker 2: night to give you that rapid result. If you didn't
Speaker 2: have that, you wouldn't get a result on election I
Speaker 2: think you wouldn't got a result for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: probably until after the election. Because every ballot in Ohio
Speaker 2: may have fifteen twenty different questions on it. It's not
Speaker 2: just one issue on the ballot, so hand counting all
Speaker 2: of those on election night would be impossible. So we
Speaker 2: use the machine to give you that rapid result on
Speaker 2: election night, and then a few weeks later we count
Speaker 2: all the paper and compare those electron compare those side
Speaker 2: by side, right, so they have to reconcile. So it's
Speaker 2: like this. People say you can't cheat with paper, Well
Speaker 2: that's nonsense. Chicago in the nineteen sixties proved you can
Speaker 2: cheat with paper any system. Right with people involved has
Speaker 2: opportunities for those people to do the wrong thing. So
Speaker 2: we have the redundancy of both an electronic count on
Speaker 2: election night and then a paper hand count that have
Speaker 2: to reconcile against each other. And that redundancy, that sort
Speaker 2: of balancing the checkbook is why we have a very
Speaker 2: secure and safe, reliable system for counting ballots in Ohio.
Speaker 1: To the extent it's even possible. I wanted to speak
Speaker 1: of that Issue one. We're almost at a time. I'm
Speaker 1: in know on want, I've looked into it. I know
Speaker 1: that's where the Republican Party stands on in Ohio. Any
Speaker 1: brief summary on Issue one and where you are Frank Leros.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, this morning we're holding a meeting of the
Speaker 2: ballot board to make some very minor changes to the
Speaker 2: ballot language. It's crucial that we get that done today
Speaker 2: because those ballots get printed in two days for overseason
Speaker 2: and military voters. As I told you, Issue one requires
Speaker 2: a group of unaccountable individuals to gerrymander the state to
Speaker 2: create a specific political outcome. That is true language, and
Speaker 2: that's what the Ohio Supreme Court upheld. It's important for
Speaker 2: Ohioans to try to understand this thing, thirteen thousand word
Speaker 2: long amendment that requires jerrymandering and will result in all
Speaker 2: kinds of really comported districts and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: The other thing to note is who's funding this twenty
Speaker 2: six million dollars so far? Eighty five percent of that
Speaker 2: money has come in from out of state, including six
Speaker 2: million dollars from a Swiss billionaire who's trying to change
Speaker 2: the way Ohio draws district lines. I think Ohilan should
Speaker 2: reject this.
Speaker 1: That speaks volumes right there. Secretary State, Frank Loris, thanks
Speaker 1: for the time you spend my listeners to me this
Speaker 1: morning on the morning show. I'll look forward to talking
Speaker 1: with you again and keep up the great work. Thanks Brian,
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