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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of June ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Lost season three episode to the

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<v Speaker 1>Glass Ballerina.

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<v Speaker 2>Which really doesn't put Sun in the best light, at

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<v Speaker 2>least young child's son. Like, you're gonna fire the maid

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<v Speaker 2>because I lied? Okay, go for it, She'll get another job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Parenting tip like father, like daughter, you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be that guy, that's how your daughter is gonna act.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't fire the help Yeah, you know, not cool,

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<v Speaker 1>as we will learn in Duster, the cleaning people are

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<v Speaker 1>good to get to know, befriend them, get cactuses and

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<v Speaker 1>access access to try and kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll talk about that tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, you know, this episode we learn a few things.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned that Son is a more willing killer than

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<v Speaker 1>Jin who knew. You want somebody who will actually shoot you,

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<v Speaker 1>want to send Son. We learned that Juliet would kill

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<v Speaker 1>without a thought. Don't mess with her. And we learned

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<v Speaker 1>the Kate tastes like strawberries, something I could have done

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<v Speaker 1>without knowing. Apparently I've read someplace else that was a

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<v Speaker 1>line from I think Buffy the Vampire slayher or something, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that they just recycled. But even so, yeah, I would

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<v Speaker 1>just believe that they did it solely so that he

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<v Speaker 1>could nickname her shortcake.

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<v Speaker 2>Right his freckles wasn't good enough, or I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess other people just keep read any nicknames like Hurley's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of different things, and Locke and everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So we we catch up with the sailboat the Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes we do, which has been hanging out in the

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<v Speaker 2>water waiting for Jack to show up, which, uh so

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<v Speaker 2>he's eventually like, yeah, he's not he's not coming. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he acts like he has a plan, but in

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<v Speaker 1>fact he's has a completely different plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he has a plan, it's just not the one

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<v Speaker 2>that the one.

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<v Speaker 1>That he says that he has. Right, and Jin knows

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<v Speaker 1>more English than we think. How does that happen? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you just hear her translating enough and you

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<v Speaker 1>pick some things up.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I feel like that would be a hard

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<v Speaker 2>way to learn.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, a lot of time on his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he found dual lingo hiding behind a bushes, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he knows some keywords gun boat, others.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if he just acts like he knows, then people

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<v Speaker 1>will tell him things. Right. Oh well. Among the many

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<v Speaker 1>things that make Sun look bad in this episode is

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<v Speaker 1>that she was cheating on him with the weird baldhead guy, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Who we had. We've previously been led to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>they were just like platonic friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the last time we saw them, I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>were hinting about this. So when Sun turned up pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>even though according to the weird gynecologist Jin was incapable.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, is this where they're going? But they

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<v Speaker 1>don't that's where they're going. They're not going there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wonder the timing of it, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they's been on the eye long enough that it

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they've been there for like two and a half months, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, you have to lose track of the timing

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<v Speaker 1>on this. And also I mean, not that they wouldn't be,

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<v Speaker 1>not that a married couple wouldn't be under any circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>but where exactly do they go to get it on?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they have some kind we have the hatch

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<v Speaker 1>between four and six, Please we'll hit the button.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they they have their.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so. But it's like the tents are all

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<v Speaker 1>right up next to each other. I don't know. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>true level find a way, I guess. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder now if we're supposed to be wondering about

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<v Speaker 1>the parentage of that parentage of the little butt in

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<v Speaker 1>the oven. Yeah, but I guess. Gin did not know

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why his father in law was saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you go kill this dude for me. He thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was you know that he had stolen work correlated exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>So he doesn't seem to have suspicion about it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would just assume have no suspicion about it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But there we are.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like Papa Son was implying yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of like, if you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>figure this out for yourself, I can't tell you that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, although he totally could.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the sort of thing you would do, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but oh way, maybe it was just like so shameful

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, buddy, if you can't figure this out yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're a sadder sack. Then I thought, why would

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<v Speaker 1>I Why would I pick on you this way? Just

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<v Speaker 1>go kill somebody for me, which you could not even do. Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully he took care of himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really thought. And I don't know why that

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<v Speaker 1>Son's father had sent some other henchmen, figuring Jin wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get the job done and push the

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<v Speaker 1>guy out the window. I thought that was what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've looked on every bit of lost stuff online

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll say, oh, no, he jumped. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where I got that, but uh, you know, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he's out of the picture, sure, out of the window.

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<v Speaker 1>And also they're on an island. Yeah, and now they

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<v Speaker 1>have to walk back cause yeah, the boat has gone.

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<v Speaker 2>With him with the dead body inside. Yeah, we met

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<v Speaker 2>her for a minute. Now she's gone yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, if you shoot me, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>enemies now. And so apparently the others are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be enemies now. They kind of seem like enemies alway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that didn't seem like a new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that they have all this information on everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is creepy. But apparently their dossier on Sun did not

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<v Speaker 1>include the fact that she broke a ballerina and blamed

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<v Speaker 1>it on the maid. Right, she had an affair, and also, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she will shoot you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, she totally one thought she was so sweet, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They were leave my.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby with you, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's the gardener, she's like the nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but she's gonna leave her husband and sneak off

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<v Speaker 1>to America. She's just all sorts of underhanded stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, they need to they need to whoever

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<v Speaker 1>puts together their dossiers needs to work a little harder.

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<v Speaker 1>They're supposed to know everything a creepy degree.

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<v Speaker 2>Although she wasn't one of the three that was summoned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>We are still waiting to find out what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>back at Castaway Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to Locke and Echo? Yes it happened to Hurley.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he make it back?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of loose sense that have not been discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean this other stuff is interesting, but we do.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be nice if we could cut back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently they like to compartmentalize.

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<v Speaker 2>It's annoying. But okay, I did enjoy I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>happened toward the end. But the whole thing of Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>like the way he proved that he knew what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the world, was to tell Jack that

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Red Sox had won the World Series. In

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<v Speaker 2>Jack's like okay, now I know you're lying, he brings

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<v Speaker 2>out the world's oldest VCR to show him the proof.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, that was a callback to earlier episode when

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<v Speaker 1>his dad's catchphrase was something like, that's why the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Sox never.

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<v Speaker 2>Won the World Series?

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<v Speaker 1>And so I looked up because I was wondering about

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<v Speaker 1>the timing of this, whether they set that catchphrase up

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<v Speaker 1>knowing they were going to do this at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether it happened after they set that catchphrase up.

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<v Speaker 1>But indeed, when they set up that catchphrase, it had

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<v Speaker 1>already happened in no timeline, So because yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in they had that there to pay off at

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<v Speaker 1>some point.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the third season, but it's only been a

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<v Speaker 2>couple months of island time, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so they get that advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was funny, just staring slack jaw at

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<v Speaker 2>the screen, like how it's as possible. There's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of weird stuff happening, but this takes the care.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, this is the weirdest. Oh well, we saw a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of different approaches to parenting in this. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>corporal punishment like the others were doling out to Sawyer

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<v Speaker 1>with the shop the stun gun only earns you resentment. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they may behave in the moment, but they're plotting your demise.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, sweet talking as they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>with Jack also doesn't work. So well, they don't trust you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't up to something.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be that nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't work with Ben trying to give Kate a NIC's breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>No, see you try, you think, oh, you know, well

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<v Speaker 1>they're mad at me, so I'm going to do something

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<v Speaker 1>nice for them. Doesn't work, They stay mad. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard to find the right avenue to get

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<v Speaker 1>what you want from somebody who does not want to

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<v Speaker 1>give it to you. And that's a that's a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>that parents have all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Yes, we've talked many times about motivation here

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<v Speaker 2>on this. Yes, yes, they haven't figured that part right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The only motivation they're going to have is playing

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<v Speaker 1>one of them off against the other. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>have this one in this place and you better do

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<v Speaker 1>what we want. But again, you're just going to get

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<v Speaker 1>resentment and plotting. It may work at the moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>at some point you're going to be on the other

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<v Speaker 1>end of that stunt gun and it will be sweet payback. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Although Ben is all seeing and all hearing apparently, Yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why would they be having open a conversation?

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<v Speaker 1>Would they not think that there were cameras everywhere? This

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<v Speaker 1>was on Duster too. I'm like, what, shut up, go

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<v Speaker 1>talk in your car, but yes, in the cages probably just.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I would guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl could be in the bushes listening at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think maybe they don't realize the

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<v Speaker 2>level of sophistication, right because they're in these cages and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like breaking rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, maybe they're trying to make them think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're just primitive, right. But yeah, Yeah, it's like putting

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<v Speaker 1>a monitor in your kid's room, which I would totally do,

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<v Speaker 1>spy cam. Yeah, yeah, then they'll start talking code or something. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing with Jin suddenly saying oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>phase of not understanding much language to understanding and you

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<v Speaker 1>you think, and you better watch out. Be Caessa, go

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<v Speaker 2>Pick glad, And that will only work for so long

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<v Speaker 2>because then, yeah, figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a constant race to stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Ahead, constantly trying to it's an arms race.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you go down to the coffee shop to talk

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my? I do believe that we get back to

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean we've spent two seasons getting to know

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, yep, yep. So Ben says he has lived

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<v Speaker 1>I was lying to you before that was just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Have you missed Baseball?

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<v Speaker 1>Here you go, yep, yep, yep, yep. One thing I

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<v Speaker 1>will say about this episode, which I've complained about before

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<v Speaker 1>and is really nobody's problem but mine and anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>my age, But a lot of darkness in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of darkness in which we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>When they're done in Ject's hobble where they're keeping him underground,

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<v Speaker 1>Us. We should have like a like an attachment you

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<v Speaker 1>And also a lot of a lot of captions for

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I do feel like it was fairly you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you could kind of gets that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, weirdness, weirdness everywhere there is, yes, so we

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<v Speaker 1>will I am sure revisit this weirdness soon. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, next week, different weirdness. Next Tuesday, we'll continue

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that is a lock flashback episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, because we haven't had very many of those.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he was kind of a loser in the the

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<v Speaker 1>other brother. I have a feeling about Emma. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been shown a bunch of times. Gosh, they

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<v Speaker 1>could just like put a little want want on the

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<v Speaker 1>soundtrack and skip all the flashbacks. Yes, we get it,

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<v Speaker 1>we get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Been there, done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we will see you back here tomorrow

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