Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of June ninth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Lost season three episode to the
Speaker 1: Glass Ballerina.
Speaker 2: Which really doesn't put Sun in the best light, at
Speaker 2: least young child's son. Like, you're gonna fire the maid
Speaker 2: because I lied? Okay, go for it, She'll get another job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Parenting tip like father, like daughter, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy, that's how your daughter is gonna act.
Speaker 1: But don't fire the help Yeah, you know, not cool,
Speaker 1: as we will learn in Duster, the cleaning people are
Speaker 1: good to get to know, befriend them, get cactuses and
Speaker 1: access access to try and kill you.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, this episode we learn a few things.
Speaker 1: We learned that Son is a more willing killer than
Speaker 1: Jin who knew. You want somebody who will actually shoot you,
Speaker 1: want to send Son. We learned that Juliet would kill
Speaker 1: without a thought. Don't mess with her. And we learned
Speaker 1: the Kate tastes like strawberries, something I could have done
Speaker 1: without knowing. Apparently I've read someplace else that was a
Speaker 1: line from I think Buffy the Vampire slayher or something, Oh,
Speaker 1: that they just recycled. But even so, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: just believe that they did it solely so that he
Speaker 1: could nickname her shortcake.
Speaker 2: Right his freckles wasn't good enough, or I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess other people just keep read any nicknames like Hurley's
Speaker 2: been a lot of different things, and Locke and everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So we we catch up with the sailboat the Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: Yes we do, which has been hanging out in the
Speaker 2: water waiting for Jack to show up, which, uh so
Speaker 2: he's eventually like, yeah, he's not he's not coming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he acts like he has a plan, but in
Speaker 1: fact he's has a completely different plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah he has a plan, it's just not the one
Speaker 2: that the one.
Speaker 1: That he says that he has. Right, and Jin knows
Speaker 1: more English than we think. How does that happen? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess you just hear her translating enough and you
Speaker 1: pick some things up.
Speaker 2: I guess. I feel like that would be a hard
Speaker 2: way to learn.
Speaker 1: He said, a lot of time on his hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is true.
Speaker 1: Maybe he found dual lingo hiding behind a bushes, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, he knows some keywords gun boat, others.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he just acts like he knows, then people
Speaker 1: will tell him things. Right. Oh well. Among the many
Speaker 1: things that make Sun look bad in this episode is
Speaker 1: that she was cheating on him with the weird baldhead guy, Yes.
Speaker 2: Who we had. We've previously been led to believe that
Speaker 2: they were just like platonic friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last time we saw them, I thought they
Speaker 1: were hinting about this. So when Sun turned up pregnant,
Speaker 1: even though according to the weird gynecologist Jin was incapable.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, is this where they're going? But they
Speaker 1: don't that's where they're going. They're not going there yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder the timing of it, because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they's been on the eye long enough that it
Speaker 1: couldn't right.
Speaker 2: Well, they've been there for like two and a half months, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you have to lose track of the timing
Speaker 1: on this. And also I mean, not that they wouldn't be,
Speaker 1: not that a married couple wouldn't be under any circumstances,
Speaker 1: but where exactly do they go to get it on?
Speaker 1: I mean, they have some kind we have the hatch
Speaker 1: between four and six, Please we'll hit the button.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they they have their.
Speaker 1: I guess so. But it's like the tents are all
Speaker 1: right up next to each other. I don't know. Oh well,
Speaker 1: true level find a way, I guess. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I wonder now if we're supposed to be wondering about
Speaker 1: the parentage of that parentage of the little butt in
Speaker 1: the oven. Yeah, but I guess. Gin did not know
Speaker 1: the reason why his father in law was saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you go kill this dude for me. He thought it
Speaker 1: was you know that he had stolen work correlated exactly,
Speaker 1: So he doesn't seem to have suspicion about it, right,
Speaker 1: So I would just assume have no suspicion about it
Speaker 1: as well. But there we are.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Papa Son was implying yes, but
Speaker 2: he was kind of like, if you're not going to
Speaker 2: figure this out for yourself, I can't tell you that's.
Speaker 1: Right, although he totally could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the sort of thing you would do, right,
Speaker 2: but oh way, maybe it was just like so shameful
Speaker 2: that he couldn't speak it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, buddy, if you can't figure this out yourself,
Speaker 1: then you're a sadder sack. Then I thought, why would
Speaker 1: I Why would I pick on you this way? Just
Speaker 1: go kill somebody for me, which you could not even do. Guy.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he took care of himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really thought. And I don't know why that
Speaker 1: Son's father had sent some other henchmen, figuring Jin wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to get the job done and push the
Speaker 1: guy out the window. I thought that was what had happened.
Speaker 1: And I've looked on every bit of lost stuff online
Speaker 1: and they'll say, oh, no, he jumped. So I don't
Speaker 1: know where I got that, but uh, you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: he's out of the picture, sure, out of the window.
Speaker 1: And also they're on an island. Yeah, and now they
Speaker 1: have to walk back cause yeah, the boat has gone.
Speaker 2: With him with the dead body inside. Yeah, we met
Speaker 2: her for a minute. Now she's gone yep.
Speaker 1: And she said, if you shoot me, we will be
Speaker 1: enemies now. And so apparently the others are going to
Speaker 1: be enemies now. They kind of seem like enemies alway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't seem like a new thing.
Speaker 1: The fact that they have all this information on everybody
Speaker 1: is creepy. But apparently their dossier on Sun did not
Speaker 1: include the fact that she broke a ballerina and blamed
Speaker 1: it on the maid. Right, she had an affair, and also, yes,
Speaker 1: she will shoot you.
Speaker 2: Right, she totally one thought she was so sweet, that's right.
Speaker 2: They were leave my.
Speaker 1: Baby with you, yep.
Speaker 2: And she's the gardener, she's like the nurse.
Speaker 1: No, but she's gonna leave her husband and sneak off
Speaker 1: to America. She's just all sorts of underhanded stuff going on.
Speaker 1: So you know, they need to they need to whoever
Speaker 1: puts together their dossiers needs to work a little harder.
Speaker 1: They're supposed to know everything a creepy degree.
Speaker 2: Although she wasn't one of the three that was summoned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: We are still waiting to find out what is happening
Speaker 2: back at Castaway Beach.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: What happened to Locke and Echo? Yes it happened to Hurley.
Speaker 2: Did he make it back?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of loose sense that have not been discussed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this other stuff is interesting, but we do.
Speaker 1: It would be nice if we could cut back and forth,
Speaker 1: but apparently they like to compartmentalize.
Speaker 2: It's annoying. But okay, I did enjoy I mean, this
Speaker 2: happened toward the end. But the whole thing of Ben,
Speaker 2: like the way he proved that he knew what was
Speaker 2: going on in the world, was to tell Jack that
Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox had won the World Series. In
Speaker 2: Jack's like okay, now I know you're lying, he brings
Speaker 2: out the world's oldest VCR to show him the proof.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that was a callback to earlier episode when
Speaker 1: his dad's catchphrase was something like, that's why the Red
Speaker 1: Sox never.
Speaker 2: Won the World Series?
Speaker 1: And so I looked up because I was wondering about
Speaker 1: the timing of this, whether they set that catchphrase up
Speaker 1: knowing they were going to do this at some point,
Speaker 1: or whether it happened after they set that catchphrase up.
Speaker 1: But indeed, when they set up that catchphrase, it had
Speaker 1: already happened in no timeline, So because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're in they had that there to pay off at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 2: We're in the third season, but it's only been a
Speaker 2: couple months of island time, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so they get that advantage.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was funny, just staring slack jaw at
Speaker 2: the screen, like how it's as possible. There's been a
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff happening, but this takes the care.
Speaker 1: Right, this is the weirdest. Oh well, we saw a
Speaker 1: couple of different approaches to parenting in this. For example,
Speaker 1: corporal punishment like the others were doling out to Sawyer
Speaker 1: with the shop the stun gun only earns you resentment. Yes,
Speaker 1: they may behave in the moment, but they're plotting your demise.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, sweet talking as they're trying
Speaker 1: with Jack also doesn't work. So well, they don't trust you, right,
Speaker 1: and it didn't up to something.
Speaker 2: It didn't work.
Speaker 1: It can't be that nice.
Speaker 2: Didn't work with Ben trying to give Kate a NIC's breakfast.
Speaker 1: No, see you try, you think, oh, you know, well
Speaker 1: they're mad at me, so I'm going to do something
Speaker 1: nice for them. Doesn't work, They stay mad. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to find the right avenue to get
Speaker 1: what you want from somebody who does not want to
Speaker 1: give it to you. And that's a that's a struggle
Speaker 1: that parents have all the time.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yes, we've talked many times about motivation here
Speaker 2: on this. Yes, yes, they haven't figured that part right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only motivation they're going to have is playing
Speaker 1: one of them off against the other. You know, we
Speaker 1: have this one in this place and you better do
Speaker 1: what we want. But again, you're just going to get
Speaker 1: resentment and plotting. It may work at the moment, but
Speaker 1: at some point you're going to be on the other
Speaker 1: end of that stunt gun and it will be sweet payback. Right.
Speaker 2: Although Ben is all seeing and all hearing apparently, Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would they be having open a conversation?
Speaker 1: Would they not think that there were cameras everywhere? This
Speaker 1: was on Duster too. I'm like, what, shut up, go
Speaker 1: talk in your car, but yes, in the cages probably just.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I would guess.
Speaker 1: Carl could be in the bushes listening at them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think maybe they don't realize the
Speaker 2: level of sophistication, right because they're in these cages and
Speaker 2: they're like breaking rocks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe they're trying to make them think that
Speaker 1: they're just primitive, right. But yeah, Yeah, it's like putting
Speaker 1: a monitor in your kid's room, which I would totally do,
Speaker 1: spy cam. Yeah, yeah, then they'll start talking code or something. Indeed,
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Jin suddenly saying oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I understand more English than you think I do reminds
Speaker 1: me of you know, when your kid goes from that
Speaker 1: phase of not understanding much language to understanding and you
Speaker 1: have to start spelling things talking. Yeah, you may think
Speaker 1: your jock cannot understand you, but they do better than
Speaker 1: you think, and you better watch out. Be Caessa, go
Speaker 1: sit in the car and have your conversation, get out
Speaker 1: of your shot.
Speaker 2: Pick glad, And that will only work for so long
Speaker 2: because then, yeah, figure it out.
Speaker 1: They'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a constant race to stay.
Speaker 2: Ahead, constantly trying to it's an arms race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go down to the coffee shop to talk
Speaker 1: and there's a spy in the next booth. You know
Speaker 1: your kid has paid off. My parents are acting squirrely,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 2: Just wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh my? I do believe that we get back to
Speaker 1: the beach next week, which is about time.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we've spent two seasons getting to know
Speaker 2: these these other people, like only that hanging man.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep, yep. So Ben says he has lived
Speaker 1: on this island all his life. Yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, that seems like a long time, right.
Speaker 1: But and also he's not particularly trustworthy. No, as much
Speaker 1: as he tries, he's like, yeah, oh that those times
Speaker 1: I was lying to you before that was just you know,
Speaker 1: now here, watch some TV.
Speaker 2: Have you missed Baseball?
Speaker 1: Here you go, yep, yep, yep, yep. One thing I
Speaker 1: will say about this episode, which I've complained about before
Speaker 1: and is really nobody's problem but mine and anybody else
Speaker 1: my age, But a lot of darkness in this episode,
Speaker 1: A lot of darkness in which we were supposed to
Speaker 1: see things going on and I could not. In addition
Speaker 1: to my eyes being bad, unless your TV screen is
Speaker 1: super clean. Yeah, dark scenes are probably Yeah, And when
Speaker 1: they're do people squeege you off their screens just for
Speaker 1: that purpose or what.
Speaker 2: When they're done in Ject's hobble where they're keeping him underground,
Speaker 2: it's quite difficult.
Speaker 1: Us. We should have like a like an attachment you
Speaker 1: can put on your TV that will light up scenes
Speaker 1: that were dark, just so Grandma can see what's in them.
Speaker 1: And also a lot of a lot of captions for
Speaker 1: the careers of Korean which I could not read any of,
Speaker 1: and so my husband would have to have to take
Speaker 1: some of the take some of the suspense away from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do feel like it was fairly you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could kind of gets that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh well, weirdness, weirdness everywhere there is, yes, so we
Speaker 1: will I am sure revisit this weirdness soon. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, next week, different weirdness. Next Tuesday, we'll continue
Speaker 1: with season three, episode three of Lost further instructions, and
Speaker 1: I believe that is a lock flashback episode.
Speaker 2: Oh good, because we haven't had very many of those.
Speaker 1: No, he was kind of a loser in the the
Speaker 1: other brother. I have a feeling about Emma. It's not
Speaker 1: that we've been shown a bunch of times. Gosh, they
Speaker 1: could just like put a little want want on the
Speaker 1: soundtrack and skip all the flashbacks. Yes, we get it,
Speaker 1: we get it.
Speaker 2: Been there, done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we will see you back here tomorrow
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