Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle,
Speaker 1: the podcast, a weekly visit to our home where we
Speaker 1: squeeze a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and
Speaker 1: see what happens. This episode is brought to you by
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Speaker 1: if it existed, which it does not.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Speaker 1: Circle tabe.
Speaker 2: Is that like if I did it?
Speaker 1: You know what? We're so lost in a sea of words.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, you're stupid. It wasn't suicide, No,
Speaker 1: it was not.
Speaker 2: He did not kill himself. He did not, I mean
Speaker 2: his suicide bassassin an actual thing.
Speaker 1: Because it is Sunday, July twentieth, here in these Divided
Speaker 1: States of America. Hi, baby, Hi, honey, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm tired? Uh huh really fucking dire. I'm good, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, hanging in Yeah, it's hot out there.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's human.
Speaker 2: It just rained and then I went to let the
Speaker 2: dog out and my glasses fogged up.
Speaker 1: It's a sauna outside. Yeah, it's pretty. I mean, things
Speaker 1: are green and stuff, but all right, it's too warm
Speaker 1: for it's it's that soupy warm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When they say it's not the heat, it's the humidity. This,
Speaker 1: this is what they mean. Yeah, that's where you walk
Speaker 1: outside and boil rather than.
Speaker 2: Fry exactly.
Speaker 1: Anyway, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm all right, my thumb is twitching.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm fine. I guess aching to hitchhike.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the problem is. I was editing
Speaker 2: the last episode and my thumb started like twitching, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, the fuck. That's why they call me old
Speaker 2: twitchy thumb. They don't. No one calls me that.
Speaker 1: No. But I guess if it continues.
Speaker 2: To the point where enough people notice.
Speaker 1: You could rebrand.
Speaker 2: Nah, that's okay. We've got animals fighting in the background.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, because the cat. The cat's just
Speaker 1: like laying here like I'm not moving, and the dog's
Speaker 1: trying to antagonize the cat. The cat's like, no, not
Speaker 1: to die, which is frustrating the dog it's just the
Speaker 1: whole thing.
Speaker 2: The dog is trying to play, which antagonizes the cat.
Speaker 1: It does, it really does. The dog just wants to play.
Speaker 2: Of course, his idea of playing is running up into
Speaker 2: your face really really fast. For some reason, cats don't enjoy.
Speaker 1: Well, these cats don't enjoy it anyway. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: any word anyway, that's fun at our house.
Speaker 2: It's the Insane Menagerie.
Speaker 1: It is kind of yeah, wow, it's dull here. This weekend,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the weather and narrated the movements of
Speaker 1: the animals like and made way too big a deal
Speaker 1: out of a twitching thumb. I think we've I think
Speaker 1: we've covered the excitement.
Speaker 2: So by the time you're hearing this episode, we will
Speaker 2: have released our interview with Flamey Grant.
Speaker 1: And which was a fun interview yep.
Speaker 2: And in that same week we released another regular episode,
Speaker 2: which is why it came out at a strange time, because.
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's impossible to keep to a schedule
Speaker 1: right now. It is other than the work schedule, which
Speaker 1: obviously comes first.
Speaker 2: We used to be so like stringent, we had nothing
Speaker 2: else to do exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was easy to be strict then we.
Speaker 2: Had no jobs and outside wasn't outsiding.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's at that point we were meticulous.
Speaker 1: But now it's kind of like catch as catch can exactly.
Speaker 1: We got to be able to sit down when we're
Speaker 1: still awake and have something together to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Since we last spoke, we have lost some folks. Well,
Speaker 2: some folks we lost, and some folks well, yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: get to them, because lost is too strong of a word.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Andrew Gibson, who was a poet of love, hope,
Speaker 1: and gender identity, died at forty.
Speaker 2: Nine, which is very young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since that's my age. A master of spoken word
Speaker 1: performance gives an insisted that poetry, especially when read aloud
Speaker 1: to an audience, was a political act. Yes, yeah, here here.
Speaker 1: Megan Falley, their wife, confirmed the death. Gibson was among
Speaker 1: the leading voices in a resurgence of spoken word or
Speaker 1: slam poetry in the mid two thousandth centered in cafes
Speaker 1: on college campuses around the country. Yes, they were prolific,
Speaker 1: publishing seven books along with seven albums, all while touring tirelessly.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, Governor Jared Pollis of Colorado named
Speaker 1: Gibson the state's poet laureate work shows were as long
Speaker 1: as ninety minutes, even with chronic stage fright, a condition
Speaker 1: addressed in the poem owed to the public panic attack work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They are in a documentary called Come See Me in
Speaker 1: the Good Light Huh Yeah, which is focused on Gibson
Speaker 1: and Valley during Gibson's long struggle with cancer. It premiered
Speaker 1: at the Sundance Film Festival in January and won the
Speaker 1: Festival Favorite Award. Fabulous grew up in an intensely religious,
Speaker 1: socially conservative world. Their parents are observant Baptists, and Gibson
Speaker 1: attended Saint Joseph's College of Maine, the only Roman Catholic
Speaker 1: institution of higher education in the state. Gibson played basketball
Speaker 1: on a scholarship, and the team won the States Championship
Speaker 1: during Gibson's senior year. Yeah. Gibson received a diagnosis of
Speaker 1: ovarian cancer in twenty twenty one and began chemotherapy, a
Speaker 1: treatment they spoke openly about in interviews, on stage and
Speaker 1: in their poetry. I was looking for it. You know
Speaker 1: this article doesn't have it. But and I know I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but they said, I want to die with stretch marks
Speaker 1: on my heart. Yes, yeah, prolific right up until the end.
Speaker 1: And you know, certainly one of the voices of a generation. Indeed,
Speaker 1: we should never grow out of our astonishment. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so much. Rest and power too soon indeed. Also, Connie
Speaker 1: Francis died this week at eighty seven. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a lot of hits. I was playing some of them
Speaker 1: for you, like early nineteen sixties.
Speaker 2: Some I had heard and didn't know her, some I
Speaker 2: had never heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was I mean, she was someone I knew
Speaker 1: about growing up, but you know, came to understand better
Speaker 1: lately because Joey Joseph's, who was a drag queen I
Speaker 1: performed with That was Joey's. One of Joey's claims to
Speaker 1: fame was as a Connie Francis impersonator. Yes, and you know,
Speaker 1: they they got to know each other actually and became friends.
Speaker 1: And there are pictures of the two of them together. So,
Speaker 1: you know, someone who just seemed very approachable, you know,
Speaker 1: and had friendships with folks we know. I never met her,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: My introduction to the name of Connie France was actually
Speaker 2: in the Lisa Bonet Show because Denise wanted to sleep
Speaker 2: outside to get tickets to some show, and her father said,
Speaker 2: where's the show, and she said, Connie Francis stadium, meeting
Speaker 2: Connie Mack stadium. Connie that And in one of my
Speaker 2: favorite movies, The Craft After furs Box, spell worked and
Speaker 2: they got money because she kind of sort of killed
Speaker 2: her stepfather and they got insurance money. Her mom bought
Speaker 2: a jukebox with nothing, but Connie Francis regrets because that's
Speaker 2: something she always wanted since she was a little girl.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty, she became the first woman to top
Speaker 1: the Billboard Top one hundred with the bluesy ballad Everybody's
Speaker 1: Somebody's Full. She had an infin for languages and was
Speaker 1: one of the first stars to record in multiple dialects.
Speaker 1: Her title song from the nineteen sixty one movie Where
Speaker 1: the Boys Are was released in seven different languages, English, German, French, Italian, Japanese, Neapolitan,
Speaker 1: and Spanish. Work Yeah Yeah. Her popularity waned in the
Speaker 1: mid sixties as acts like The Beatles and Bob Dylan
Speaker 1: overtook the pop charts. Yeah well, I told you. Kind
Speaker 1: of the British invasion was, you know, sort of demise
Speaker 1: of that kind of music. But yeah, certainly a star
Speaker 1: and by every account I ever heard, you know, a
Speaker 1: gracious woman. Yes, she certainly had some lows and exhilarating
Speaker 1: eighes and a long life. So Connie Francis gone at
Speaker 1: eighty seven.
Speaker 2: God bless her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, risdom peace.
Speaker 2: And that closes the portion of where we keep like
Speaker 2: and care about that died.
Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation founder Edwin is it Fueldner? I believe Fulner
Speaker 1: or Fulner whatever, dead at eighty three. If only he
Speaker 1: had taken his foundation with him, right, Yeah, anyway, he's gone.
Speaker 2: The Heritage Foundation, who sponsored Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's then. That's then.
Speaker 2: I shortened the mom's Maybey quote earlier. I just said
Speaker 2: he's dead.
Speaker 1: Good exactly, yeah, exactly. Nothing good to say about the man,
Speaker 1: nothing good to say about his work, and talk about
Speaker 1: a life not well lived exactly. Yeah, rest in hell last,
Speaker 1: but not.
Speaker 2: Least well at least.
Speaker 1: Last and least Yeah. Evangelical preacher John MacArthur dies at
Speaker 1: eighty six. I only mention it to say good he did.
Speaker 2: Hopefully hell is as hot as he says. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He led Grace Community Church in the Los Angeles neighborhood
Speaker 1: of Sun Valley for more than five decades. His ministry
Speaker 1: announced his death on social media. Bye deuces hoe mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: He made news during the coronavirus pandemic for flouting health
Speaker 1: orders by holding indoor services for hundreds of congregants and
Speaker 1: refusing to enforce masking and physical distancing requirements. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another champion of idiocy.
Speaker 2: Champion of idiocy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, allegedlate non denominational congregation. I guess that just I
Speaker 1: think that just means they're not under anyone's authority, so
Speaker 1: they can come up with even crazier shit, right I will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm a church because I say I am,
Speaker 2: so stop asking me for tax money.
Speaker 1: Something like uh huh mm hmmm. Yeah, so nothing good
Speaker 1: to say. Nope, another one's going though. You know it's
Speaker 1: a start, babbit, Yeah, Jesus yep, going from the planet. Finally. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's what I got.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, why don't we go on a little break.
Speaker 1: Let's take a little break and uh we'll come back
Speaker 1: with some good news just to show us out. Here's
Speaker 1: Connie Francis with where the boys are.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back the boys. Someone ways me smile
Speaker 2: and face, a warm too, arms to hold Me tender world,
Speaker 2: the boy.
Speaker 1: Much.
Speaker 3: He's walking down some street and town and don't.
Speaker 2: Know, he's looking there.
Speaker 1: And we're back, We're back. It is worth noting that
Speaker 1: that is such a gay song. I mean some have
Speaker 1: called it the gay national anthem.
Speaker 2: On sure, I would go that far, but that's born
Speaker 2: this way exactly.
Speaker 1: But can you picture you know what that song meant
Speaker 1: to closeted gay man.
Speaker 2: I mean you played it for me earlier today. I
Speaker 2: mean I've heard the song fourteen sixty, but you played
Speaker 2: it earlier and I listened to it through that lens
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's out there in the crowd. Yeah you can do.
Speaker 1: I mean you know that that resonated with gay men
Speaker 1: waiting impatiently. Of course, Yeah, I get it, of course,
Speaker 1: And it was. The song was written by Neil Sedaka
Speaker 1: and Howard Greenfield. Howard Greenfield was widely known as a
Speaker 1: gay man, and he wrote the lyrics oh well then
Speaker 1: just saying yeah, I mean he had a partner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a husband.
Speaker 2: So he was just like, I'm gonna write this song
Speaker 2: here girls saying.
Speaker 1: This kind of ya. Sadaka wrote the music, he wrote
Speaker 1: the lyrics, and she was an ally. She was an
Speaker 1: ally of the community. I mean, you know, never never
Speaker 1: quite achieved the fame she might have given her her
Speaker 1: beautiful voice for whatever reason, but she was absolutely an
Speaker 1: advocate for domestic violence and for the community. And that
Speaker 1: song resonates yes with a lot of queers. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is part about that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this part about sucking dick in
Speaker 2: the alley is appropriate. Oh shit, I didn't mean to
Speaker 2: give you that copy. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're seeing this person.
Speaker 1: Waits for me. The rest is implied.
Speaker 2: I'm meant to give you the be sheet, not the
Speaker 2: A sheet, my bag, girl. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So there was good news.
Speaker 2: This amazing.
Speaker 1: Castor Somanya queer runner, won a legal victory against the
Speaker 1: World Athletics sports policy. They tried to make her undergo
Speaker 1: medication or surgery to reduce her testosterone levels. Because this
Speaker 1: is what happens. And again we've said and it's been
Speaker 1: proven time time again. You know, cis women are also
Speaker 1: going to pay for this attack on trans women. Yep,
Speaker 1: she is a perfect example. The European Court of Human
Speaker 1: Rights has ruled fifteen to two in partial favor of
Speaker 1: queer says gender Olympic gold medalist runner Castor Somonia in
Speaker 1: her appeal against the Swiss Court of Arbitration for Sports
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen decision upholding a World Athletics policy banning her
Speaker 1: from competing in women's events unless she took medication or
Speaker 1: received surgery to reduce her naturally high testosterone levels. Nobody
Speaker 1: did this to Michael Phelps, but I'm just let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a sis, white male, so there's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with him, of course.
Speaker 1: Except they said, you know so, they said that the
Speaker 1: Swiss court's ruling lacked rigorous judicial review, no shit, and
Speaker 1: they awarded her about ninety four thousand dollars from Switzerland
Speaker 1: for costs and expenses. They didn't rule on whether World
Speaker 1: Athletics policy is discriminatory, which, of course it is right.
Speaker 1: The case, which she has been fighting for over seven years,
Speaker 1: which effectively ended her running career, will now return to
Speaker 1: the Swiss Federal Court in the western city of Lasan Lausan.
Speaker 1: There it is today my patients in this journey has
Speaker 1: been rewarded with a result that will pave the way
Speaker 1: for all athletes human rights to be protected. We hope,
Speaker 1: she said in a statement following the ruling. World Athletics,
Speaker 1: the body that regulates international track and field competitions, issued
Speaker 1: a rule in twenty nineteen requiring participants in the women's
Speaker 1: four hundred, eight hundred meter and fifteen hundred meter races
Speaker 1: to have a low level of testosterone in their bodies
Speaker 1: and to want togo six months of hormone therapy if
Speaker 1: their natural testosterone levels are high. Why to try to
Speaker 1: make sense of torturing trans women? Why that's why to
Speaker 1: try to make sense of this. We don't have the
Speaker 1: natural I mean, yeah, anyway anyway, because they can't make
Speaker 1: sense of any of it. You know, some people do
Speaker 1: have a naturally, you know, different set of hormones that
Speaker 1: does not it's what they naturally walk around with. But
Speaker 1: if you're gonna fuck around and keep saying, you know,
Speaker 1: hormones matter, and this matters, and that matters, and that,
Speaker 1: I mean I understood it where we're concerned, I get it,
Speaker 1: you know. And and but the athletes who were complying
Speaker 1: with the rules, likely atomas are being stripp to their
Speaker 1: metals by cowards like you know pen. It's like indiference
Speaker 1: to this tyrant.
Speaker 2: If you're creating these arbitrary rules based on nonsense and
Speaker 2: shit that's not actually real, then you find yourself hopping
Speaker 2: from foot to foot trying to like find ways to
Speaker 2: support the damn rules, and nobody benefits and nobody wins.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the point we're trying to eliminate happiness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has x y chromosomes rather than the typical
Speaker 1: XX pairing a natural variant. She has undescended gonuts that
Speaker 1: she didn't know she had until two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: and they want her in order to continue racing as
Speaker 1: a woman. She was told she needed to have surgery
Speaker 1: to remove them.
Speaker 2: So does that make her intersex?
Speaker 1: She was yeah, okay, she was healthy, loved her body,
Speaker 1: and it had made her champion. Why must I go
Speaker 1: and mutilate it to conform to someone else's rules. She
Speaker 1: did not to take medication to artificially lower her body's
Speaker 1: natural testosterone levels in order to meet world athletics requirements.
Speaker 1: She began to feel sick almost as soon as she
Speaker 1: started taking the medication.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ready to say, because that's not what
Speaker 2: she should be doing for her body, right.
Speaker 1: Because a well and a twenty twenty Human Rights Watch
Speaker 1: report found that what female athletes from Africa and Asia
Speaker 1: have disproportionately been subjected to sex testing, gender verification, or
Speaker 1: femininity testing. She has rejected the intersects label to describe
Speaker 1: her bodily condition. I've been called a hermaphrodite. I had
Speaker 1: to walk back out into the world with this thing
Speaker 1: hanging around my neck. I wasn't oblivious to the stairs
Speaker 1: and whispers from other runners. I wasn't going to take
Speaker 1: on an identity that did not fit my soul because
Speaker 1: some doctors had taken my blood and images of my organs.
Speaker 1: I was not amaphrodite or anything other than a woman. Yes,
Speaker 1: but if we're talking about what we mean by intersex, yes,
Speaker 1: this is what we mean. The hermaphrodite is a very
Speaker 1: well that's at dated term anywhere, derogatory term rate. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't use that word, but to say that you know
Speaker 1: she was born intersex. Yeah, there's with sex characteristics generally
Speaker 1: considered both male and female. Yes, that is that is
Speaker 1: the definition. You know, It's not about identifying us, it's
Speaker 1: that's the definition, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That being I said, she feels in her soul that
Speaker 2: she is a woman, said, damn it, she's a woman, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and clearly has you know, that's how that corresponding
Speaker 1: body parts. She just has a little extra, right exactly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And and then you know, we have to have these ridiculous, invasive,
Speaker 1: disgusting discussion.
Speaker 2: One could argue, that's how you would describe trans people,
Speaker 2: men and women with a little extra.
Speaker 1: That's how I describe.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
Speaker 1: I am more than a woman.
Speaker 2: Ah, come on, Aliah, Actually that was the bee gees,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well it's also okay, but yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean people come in all these variants and always have
Speaker 1: and always will, you know. But we we want to
Speaker 1: shove this world into the binary so fucking hard and say,
Speaker 1: you know, and all this anyway. We have a story
Speaker 1: a little bit later on in Nonsense about you know,
Speaker 1: just how much these fucking idiots actually do support women
Speaker 1: in sports.
Speaker 2: You know, would have made like made this whole case
Speaker 2: go by smoother or quicker and a lot less expensively.
Speaker 2: What minding their own fucking business.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So often, you know, so often, and
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, the people who act like they
Speaker 1: care don't give a spit about women's running. Anyway, she
Speaker 1: got money and good on her exactly, and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see where this goes. We'll just see where this goes.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else they got.
Speaker 2: So Boston unveils a new park honoring the slain trans
Speaker 2: woman who inspired the Trans Day of Remembrance. The Rita
Speaker 2: Hester Community Green was designed to be a quote joyful,
Speaker 2: inclusive space made for connection and year round fun. I
Speaker 2: like it, yeah, Rita Hester is the park's namesake, and.
Speaker 1: It's located in Allston Yards where Hester lived. Yes, when
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety she was stabbed to death in her park. Yes,
Speaker 1: she was thirty four years old. The killer has never
Speaker 1: been found shocker. Her death inspired the creation of the
Speaker 1: International Trans Day of Remembrance. A plaque at the park
Speaker 1: reportedly reads, after Rita's life was tragically taken in an
Speaker 1: act of violence. Her legacy inspired the Transgender Day of Remembrance,
Speaker 1: observed worldwide every November twenty. The day honors the lives
Speaker 1: lost to anti transgender violence and reaffirms a global commitment
Speaker 1: to kindness and equality. I like it.
Speaker 2: It's a legacy for you, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, at this point in history, this is
Speaker 1: more important than ever. Notable is that earlier this year
Speaker 1: that Boston City Council voted twelve to one in favor
Speaker 1: of a resolution declaring the capital city a sanctuary for
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus people, meaning it will not enact anti LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus policies or comply with federal demands to do so work.
Speaker 1: The resolution codifies LGBTQ plus protection at the local level
Speaker 1: and denounces policies that will undermine access to essential gender
Speaker 1: affirming healthcare, reproductive services, and HIV AIDS prevention and treatment.
Speaker 1: So good all the way around, indeed, and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: but on them, I like it.
Speaker 2: It's next.
Speaker 1: I gotta chuckle out of Norwegian daughter of Norwegian princess.
Speaker 2: Becomes Did you tell that to Countries?
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told it on the podcast
Speaker 1: Countries first royal to come out. Let's do the story
Speaker 1: for maud Angelica Bain earned the title of Bravest Women
Speaker 1: in Norway in twenty twenty, and she continues to exact
Speaker 1: that bravery. The daughter of a Norwegian princess has become
Speaker 1: the first member of the country's royal family to come
Speaker 1: out as a member of the LGBTQ plus community. In
Speaker 1: an Instagram post, twenty two year old Maud, the daughter
Speaker 1: of Martha Louise of Norway, granddaughter of King Harold and
Speaker 1: Queen Sonya, fifth in line to the throne, identified herself
Speaker 1: as bisexual while wishing her followers a happy Pride. Work
Speaker 1: all right. She shared photos of herself at a Pride
Speaker 1: celebration decked head to toe in the colors of the
Speaker 1: bisexual flag.
Speaker 2: Happy Pride from a bisexual person, she wrote, According to
Speaker 2: a translation from Vanity Fair, this year's Pride was absolutely
Speaker 2: amazing and there was so much love. I dig it.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah. Her mother's name is Martha.
Speaker 2: It makes us extra proud to have listeners in Norway.
Speaker 1: Hey, y'all. Yes, So I had worked with a client
Speaker 1: for several months before we we started doing groups, yes,
Speaker 1: because we didn't have enough folks to do groups with.
Speaker 1: And you know, in those groups, you know, I told
Speaker 1: my story, you know, and talked about being trans right,
Speaker 1: But she and I had never had any conversation like that,
Speaker 1: because you know, it wasn't yourmane. I was working with her.
Speaker 1: I was trying to help her get some stuff that
Speaker 1: came up, and she whispered to NICKI whispered, but went
Speaker 1: to Niki later said Martha's trance, and NICKI said, I know,
Speaker 1: and she said, I had no idea. I thought she
Speaker 1: was Norwegian.
Speaker 2: Because you're tall and blind.
Speaker 1: Apparently, yes, and so it's kind of become a little
Speaker 1: running joke.
Speaker 2: Martha's Norwegian.
Speaker 1: I am Norwegian. Yeah, Because there was a there was
Speaker 1: a dude who is I guess new talking not not knowingly,
Speaker 1: but talking to one of my clients who are masculine
Speaker 1: male identified, and they were way down the hall and
Speaker 1: the guy looked at nodded at me and said, that's
Speaker 1: a dude. I guess My Soloba is quite tall. And
Speaker 1: my client went where and he nodded, and the client went,
Speaker 1: that is not a dude. That is Martha. She's Norwegian.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's a running Yeah.
Speaker 2: I told you every time comes up says something, you
Speaker 2: should just respond yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, clearly, I do not deny the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm trance. It's just funny whenever, since you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. Tall blonde, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 2: striking figure.
Speaker 1: There you go. Cheek bones, cheek bones, that is what
Speaker 1: it is. You do like yogurt Okay, is that a
Speaker 1: Norway thing? But not herring so anyway, anyway, Yeah, good
Speaker 1: on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the fold, cis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome. So this was kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Barack Obama appeared on his wife Michelle's podcast and shared
Speaker 1: his thoughts on why men sis headman, you know, should
Speaker 1: embrace the queer community rather than push them away. You know,
Speaker 1: it was only amount of time before he would be
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Of course. He's not by and was
Speaker 1: a guest on the July sixteenth episode of It's Imo
Speaker 1: Yes in my opinion, the show she co hosts with
Speaker 1: her brother, which.
Speaker 2: Somehow I have not listened to yet.
Speaker 1: We haven't listened to it yet. Now. The episode mainly
Speaker 1: revolves around a listener submitted question about how to raise
Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent, competent men in a world where the male
Speaker 1: loneliness epidemic exists. Obama shared his opinions, saying that men
Speaker 1: need a range of different role models and gave the
Speaker 1: example of a gay professor he had in college. This
Speaker 1: professor was out during a time when openly gay folks
Speaker 1: still weren't out. In life, he became one of my
Speaker 1: favorite professors and was a great guy and would call
Speaker 1: me out when I started saying stuff that was ignorant.
Speaker 1: The former president said, you need that to show empathy
Speaker 1: and kindness. Correct. He goes on to say that young
Speaker 1: men should be open to diversifying their friend group. By
Speaker 1: the way, you need that person in your friend group,
Speaker 1: so that if you have a boy who is gay
Speaker 1: or non binary or what have you, they have somebody
Speaker 1: that they can go. Okay, I'm not alone in this
Speaker 1: that I think is creating community. I know it's corny,
Speaker 1: but it's what they need. It's not corny, it's true,
Speaker 1: not at all. He was, of course, on the cover
Speaker 1: of Out magazine back in twenty fifteen, first president to
Speaker 1: be featured in any queer magazine. True that book about
Speaker 1: the same professor. During that interview, he also discussed the
Speaker 1: Supreme Courts to send to uphold overphelmed express pride and
Speaker 1: ushering in a new era of acceptance, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: that was kind of fun and I agree with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I totally I blocked a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: people behind that conversation because some folks just are refusing
Speaker 2: to live in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Oh are you were you in the comments section, Is
Speaker 1: that what you mean? Unfortunately, see it never goes anywhere good,
Speaker 1: does it? Rarely all that? Yeah, well, I mean we
Speaker 1: have men debating on whether they should wipe themselves. I'd like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And that is a cause of the motherfucking male loneliness
Speaker 2: epidemic apparently.
Speaker 1: Well no kidding, no, wonder your no punter, you're lonely, stinky.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have smell lines in real life, for real,
Speaker 2: in flies circling you like your big bean in a
Speaker 2: fucking cartoon.
Speaker 1: God. Yeah, it so much has gone to the extreme.
Speaker 1: I mean just so like in this era with Maga
Speaker 1: and all this horseshit, like we've gone to these ridiculous,
Speaker 1: ridiculous extremes. You know, even in discussing masculinity, it's.
Speaker 2: We'll blame it on everything other than their own shitty behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like you all you do is grunt and say horrible
Speaker 2: shit because you were raised in the comment section in
Speaker 2: four chan. But at the same time you'll you'll wonder
Speaker 2: why women won't fuck you and say, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want gay men to hit on me.
Speaker 1: Well that's true, right, now.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, sweetie, rarely is that a concern? Right?
Speaker 2: What I say the other day? And those straight men
Speaker 2: are usually looking like a crocodile's thumb, just just just
Speaker 2: ashy and and all that exactly that smell show why
Speaker 2: should ask and use some lotion on something other than
Speaker 2: your dick for five seconds and maybe we'll get somewhere.
Speaker 1: I just you know, I mean, it's certainly an ongoing
Speaker 1: conversation about you know, these ridiculous expectations we put on them.
Speaker 1: But again the extreme of it all, you know, are
Speaker 1: these mouth breathers that live in the comment sections, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, say the most absurd things right where
Speaker 1: you know, how did we get here?
Speaker 2: Right? And it's again the arbitrariness of it all has
Speaker 2: people jumping back and forth from foot to foot, like
Speaker 2: I see photos like there was a photo a bunch
Speaker 2: of photos coming out a little bit ago of Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan and like various co stars and male co stars
Speaker 2: and friends and them like embracing and like being friendly
Speaker 2: and loving and affectionate with one another. Right, And on
Speaker 2: the one hand, you have women saying, how come men
Speaker 2: can't embrace a softer side of themselves? And stop having
Speaker 2: to be all like hard and tough all the time.
Speaker 2: And at the same time you see these pictures and
Speaker 2: you go, oh, that's gay. Which one is it?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: And then we wonder why straight men are crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't wonder why, truly, I don't wonder why. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, having having a bird's eye view of all
Speaker 1: of this nonsense for a very long time, I don't
Speaker 1: wonder why. You know, because the expectations are ridiculous. A
Speaker 1: lot of them are placed directly and indirectly by women,
Speaker 1: you know, but not certainly, not exclusively, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and.
Speaker 1: It the expectations are unnatural. They don't allow for human emotion.
Speaker 1: They don't allow for vulnerability or softness or or you know,
Speaker 1: being afraid or being uncertain right, you know, or needing community.
Speaker 2: Or expressing emotions of any kind that.
Speaker 1: Aren't anger right, And you know, and there are there
Speaker 1: are women in the world who want that, you know.
Speaker 1: They don't want to have to they want someone to
Speaker 1: protect them. It's why religion exists. Everybody wants this simple answer.
Speaker 1: And you know, but by the same token, men do
Speaker 1: it to each other, right, and then can't live up
Speaker 1: to it themselves, so they go crazy and they crash blinder,
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, you know, we can't look at
Speaker 1: why everything is so fucked up without saying, well, let's
Speaker 1: look at the expectations we place. Let's look at the
Speaker 1: things that we make happen, you know, the impossible places
Speaker 1: we paint people into. Right and yet, and yet, you know,
Speaker 1: very much in the real world where I live, talking
Speaker 1: to actual humans who do come out of the basement,
Speaker 1: you know, I talk to a lot of young people
Speaker 1: who are you know, it's it's much easy here for
Speaker 1: young men to say that they are bisexual. It's much
Speaker 1: more accepted today and then it was forty years ago
Speaker 1: or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Is coming out of the basement the straight equivalent of
Speaker 2: finding your truth and finding your freedom.
Speaker 1: No, it just means they don't live down there. You know,
Speaker 1: they see sun light once in a while, They interact
Speaker 1: with other human beings literally, not just a keyboard. I'm serious,
Speaker 1: you know, because some of what and I stay out
Speaker 1: of the comment sections best I can, you know, because
Speaker 1: some of these people commenting and putting, you know, throwing
Speaker 1: out their laughing emojis. It's like, do you actually live
Speaker 1: up here? You know? With the surface dweller.
Speaker 2: The number of times I have said, would you please
Speaker 2: go log off and touch some grass?
Speaker 1: Seriously, seriously, God damn it, because how I just don't
Speaker 1: have the same experience among people generally, right, that you
Speaker 1: can have in that place that is not real anyway,
Speaker 1: called social media.
Speaker 2: It's like, if your entire experience with other human beings
Speaker 2: is theoretical, I guess some of this ship would make
Speaker 2: some sense. I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't make sense though. Now that's you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not out there kind of challenging your beliefs,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, what college is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: You certainly don't learn critical thinking skills to you, right,
Speaker 1: you know, all you do is learn how to, I
Speaker 1: don't know, throw your own shit at people. It's just
Speaker 1: toddler bad toddler behavior. It's male dusted like I I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. But yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Straits are not okay and they need our help.
Speaker 1: They're really not.
Speaker 2: And that's not shape so many of them.
Speaker 1: They're really not. But you know that the things that
Speaker 1: draw comments in the comment section truly truly just and
Speaker 1: some of what the comments say, and again there are
Speaker 1: women who jump in. Oh yeah, too many of them
Speaker 1: who should know better. But yeah, it's it's a sewer
Speaker 1: out there, and so yeah, sewers are a below ground two.
Speaker 2: Coincidence.
Speaker 1: M yeah, but if you stay out of the comment section,
Speaker 1: you're better off. True that you're better off. Anyway, that's
Speaker 1: the last bit of good news we found this week. However,
Speaker 1: it is time for our moment.
Speaker 3: Of sad employer people taking pleasure raal name yay.
Speaker 1: So there's so many things that could have been put here,
Speaker 1: but Trump was forced to restore six point two million
Speaker 1: dollars and that's a up in the bucket. Yeah, really
Speaker 1: in funding for nine LGBTQ plus nonprofits across the United
Speaker 1: States because they were sued and make a mistake. LAMB
Speaker 1: to Legal is suing the ACLU, is suing the Transgender
Speaker 1: Law Project, Like they are all out there meeting this
Speaker 1: shit and they do win in court. Here's an example.
Speaker 2: I believe the phrase is busier than a one legged
Speaker 2: man in an ass kicking contest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been ordered to restore six point two million
Speaker 1: in grant funding to nine queer and HIV related nonprofits.
Speaker 1: Back in February, LAMB de Legal file to federal lawsuit
Speaker 1: on the plaintiff's behalf challenging three of the executive orders,
Speaker 1: the one legally defining gender as male or female or
Speaker 1: as assigned at birth, as the one that seeks to
Speaker 1: terminate equality related grants and prohibits federal grantees from considering race, color, sex,
Speaker 1: sexual preference, religion, or national origin in their work, respectively.
Speaker 1: The nine groups involved in the lawsuit or the San
Speaker 1: Francisco AIDS Foundation, the La LGBT Center, the GLBT Historical Society,
Speaker 1: San Francisco Community Health Center, Prisma Community Care, the New
Speaker 1: York City LGBT Community Center, the Bradbury Sullivan Community Center,
Speaker 1: Baltimore Safe Haven, and Forge Work. The restored funding comes
Speaker 1: a month after US District Court for the Northern District
Speaker 1: of California granted a June nine preliminary injunction blocking the
Speaker 1: implementation of the executive orders. In a fifty two page decision.
Speaker 1: Trump administration's attempts reflect an effort to censor constitutionally protected
Speaker 1: speech and services promoting DEI and recognizing the existence of
Speaker 1: transgender individuals. These provisions seek to strip funding from programs
Speaker 1: that serve historically disenfranchised populations that.
Speaker 2: Comes from US District Judge John S. Tgar Yes, who
Speaker 2: ruled in the case of San Francisco AIDS Foundation versus Trump.
Speaker 1: M M yeah. Even in the context of federal subsidies,
Speaker 1: the executive branch cannot weaponize congressionally appropriate funds to single
Speaker 1: out protected communities for disfavored treatment or suppress ideas that
Speaker 1: it does not like or has deemed dangerous. If further
Speaker 1: cannot do so in such a vague manner that all
Speaker 1: federal grantees and contractors are left to wonder what activities
Speaker 1: or expression they can engage in without risking the funding
Speaker 1: on which they depend. In a press release, Social Life
Speaker 1: fifteen LAMBDA Legals, senior attorney and HIV project director Whose
Speaker 1: Abrigo confirmed that the organizations involved in the lawsuit have
Speaker 1: seen their threatened funding restored. When we fight, we win.
Speaker 1: I hope the same thing happens with mental health funding
Speaker 1: and addiction treatment funding, because they've stripped all of that too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, without regard or explanation. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: this shit is ugly across the board.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy to me that the case, the one
Speaker 2: case in question was versus Trump, Like, has that been
Speaker 2: has that been a thing before where a case has
Speaker 2: gone up against a sitting president by name directly as
Speaker 2: opposed to like versus the United States. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like that just stuck out to me, like damn.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, some of their shit is coming home
Speaker 1: to roost, indeed, and and good, here's hoping more of
Speaker 1: it does, because so much of it is just cruel
Speaker 1: and unnecessary and cruel for cruelty's sake. And you know,
Speaker 1: yet it made the courts hold even though you know
Speaker 1: the highest court in the nation is not doing their job,
Speaker 1: not really. Yeah, so we take each victory as we
Speaker 1: can get it and hope that president means something that part.
Speaker 1: But still, you know, every little bit of backlash gets
Speaker 1: right under his skin.
Speaker 2: And good he can't take it.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: That's what's so fun about that one. Another one this
Speaker 1: is they're starting to eat their own I said that
Speaker 1: this would happen, and it is in so many interesting ways.
Speaker 2: And they must be hunger because you know it don't
Speaker 2: taste good for real.
Speaker 1: So Trump is suing Rupert Murdoch NewsCorp And The Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal after the newspaper published an article about a
Speaker 1: letter he allegedly wrote for Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. The letter included a hand on
Speaker 1: scratch of naked woman with Trump's signature placed provocatively as
Speaker 1: purbit care, along with a note expressing they share certain
Speaker 1: things in common and wishing Epstein another wonderful secret. According
Speaker 1: to the Journal, an album of birthday letters was collected
Speaker 1: by Is it just Laine Maxwell? Yeah, an associate who
Speaker 1: is serving a prison sentence after being Yeah. Of course
Speaker 1: the woman is the one in prison, being convicted of
Speaker 1: assisting him in sex trafficking. Of course, he died in
Speaker 1: jail in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Was murdered in jur Yeah.
Speaker 1: Trump is calling the story fake, defamatory, a hoax, vowed
Speaker 1: to sue his ass off meaning Murdoch. JD. Vance and
Speaker 1: Elon Musk publicly denounced the Journal report, with Advance calling
Speaker 1: it complete nutter bs. Now, why are we so upset
Speaker 1: about something that doesn't exist?
Speaker 2: And I thought Elon had all the tea and was
Speaker 2: just waiting to space.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know what's going to see, But
Speaker 1: that's the whole back and front. Like these people are
Speaker 1: crazy and they're gonna implode, and they are imploding it's
Speaker 1: just it's expensive when they do anyway. In response to
Speaker 1: the story, Trump directed Attorney General Pam Bondy to file
Speaker 1: emotion to unseal certain grand jury transcripts from the Epstein case.
Speaker 1: Though these are typically sealed, Trump hopes their release might
Speaker 1: support his claim of a democratic driven conspiracy implicating him
Speaker 1: in Epstein's sex friends. Like I said last week, there
Speaker 1: are more pictures of Trump with Jeffrey Epstein than there
Speaker 1: are with Tiffany or Baron and Baron combined, combined. Fuck,
Speaker 1: there's probably more pictures of him and Jeffrey than him
Speaker 1: and Millennia. Yeah, there's a lot much to do about,
Speaker 1: you know, right right where there's smoke, there's a fire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does anyone Is there anyone alive who doubts that Trump
Speaker 1: was fucking underage kids with Jeffrey Epstein? No, I can't.
Speaker 1: And this is where, you know, the cognitive dissonance just rings.
Speaker 1: You know, the people who throw around the word pedophile
Speaker 1: as a weapon. Are the pedophiles.
Speaker 2: Dang ding ding, dated ding ding?
Speaker 1: And when are we going to get mad about that? When?
Speaker 1: When does this become not okay? It's certainly not okay
Speaker 1: when you know it's a Democrat or it's a regular citizen.
Speaker 1: It's not okay.
Speaker 2: And we're the ones that have been screaming that it's
Speaker 2: not okay for the longest time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he's doing of all people, the one
Speaker 1: who built him and allowed him to happen, the one
Speaker 1: who built Fox News.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the person who created this world where you
Speaker 1: could succeed because just all of this nonsense, you're now suing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a conservative newspaper as well, because they're not just
Speaker 1: making you look good. I wonder you're not supposed he's
Speaker 1: imploding over all this. He is not having a good time.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to talk about the things I do.
Speaker 1: You're also not supposed to send the attorney general in
Speaker 1: to fight your battle. That part. He was a convicted
Speaker 1: sex offender before he came back into the office. This
Speaker 1: is true. All this is true. And yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Try to act like none of this shit happened.
Speaker 1: The Christians just turned a blind eye. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: practice and the Republicans still vote in lock step. What
Speaker 1: have we not learned about lockstep? Still not?
Speaker 2: You know the answer to that, still not?
Speaker 1: But yeah, talk about Shad and Florida anyway, this is
Speaker 1: your moment of.
Speaker 3: Eya people taking pleasure real name.
Speaker 1: So before we wade through the fetid pool of nonsense,
Speaker 1: do you have a fifteen minute fave?
Speaker 2: I do. And it's a fun one, Okay, this one
Speaker 2: I could use some fun. Yeah. It came through my
Speaker 2: once again my music that I may like prompt with
Speaker 2: Apple Music. And it's a song that I've heard before,
Speaker 2: but so it just hit different when I heard it
Speaker 2: this time. It is from New York Times best selling
Speaker 2: author and comedian and drag performer Bob the Drag Queen. Okay,
Speaker 2: and it is a song about ass. It's called Booty Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's funny, Like my favorite line is booty keeps
Speaker 2: kosher Booty Rosha Shana. It's just funny, all right. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna go out to the break with five of
Speaker 2: the Dragon Queen and that evergreen love song Booty.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.
Speaker 4: All right to talk about booty Booty still coming down, boy,
Speaker 4: make a nigga hung you want.
Speaker 2: To eat the booty cake.
Speaker 4: Booty made me look twice dead of booty double teak
Speaker 4: putting almost see him diving in the booty.
Speaker 2: It's my destiny childs Booty.
Speaker 4: Bull of Magigan A couple booty wish every time you
Speaker 4: walk into booty earthquake, what's that ass on trial.
Speaker 2: To burn that booty at the stake? Booty giving.
Speaker 4: Grab a little piece of this took us If you
Speaker 4: want to booty so addictive, it really is crying with
Speaker 4: that big ass body, sucking up your lower back like
Speaker 4: damn fucking up your lower pack like tam looking up
Speaker 4: your lower back like damn fucking up your low a
Speaker 4: pack like.
Speaker 2: Fucking up Come long bar.
Speaker 4: Booty doesn't come bongs my booty folk seasons. My booty
Speaker 4: is a one. Booty is a legal but that booty
Speaker 4: in a simon got more fai than a state of
Speaker 4: ad pappas booty. You get to talk about the booty.
Speaker 4: You gotta stablished booty.
Speaker 2: Can't touch this booty.
Speaker 4: If the hamma booty going be booty, becuse the gramma
Speaker 4: hit it with the crew Bullhouse DJs.
Speaker 1: Have and we're back. We're back, And that was fun.
Speaker 2: That song makes me happy.
Speaker 1: That's stupid.
Speaker 2: It's stupid.
Speaker 1: That's the part of the appeal. Boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kis booty given help.
Speaker 1: Good lord? Anyway, that was fun. Thanks Bob, it's time
Speaker 1: for the cavalcade of nonsense. Fine at, this becomes more
Speaker 1: and more ridiculous every time we do it for real though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's just go through it real quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go quickly, baby, go quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, our new Secretary of Transportation, a huge step
Speaker 1: down from Pete Sean Duffy, has claimed that, you know,
Speaker 1: rainbow crosswalks cause chaos on the roads.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how because it's a fucking crosswalk.
Speaker 1: In a literal rature of our identity. In South Florida,
Speaker 1: the city of Boynton Beach has complied with recent orders
Speaker 1: from Ronda Santas and the Trump administration to eliminate a
Speaker 1: rainbow crosswalk in the beachside. City. Video revealed a road
Speaker 1: crew painting over the once colorful intersection at East Ocean
Speaker 1: Avenue and Southeast First Street on Wednesday morning. It's now
Speaker 1: painted black.
Speaker 2: I mean that goes with the This is a metaphor
Speaker 2: for these people, is it not right? That's something that
Speaker 2: goes well with the black armband that the queer community
Speaker 2: has been wearing because we're in mourning over the bullshit
Speaker 2: that's been going on for the past not even a
Speaker 2: year yet.
Speaker 1: A statement from Poynton Beach read they have removed the
Speaker 1: inclusionary painted intersection to ensure full compliance with state and
Speaker 1: federal transportation mandates and address safety concerns. The decision follows
Speaker 1: recent guidance from the US Transportation Secretary and the Florida
Speaker 1: Department of Transportation. I was just following orders that didn't
Speaker 1: mark at Nuremberg. I'm just checking my facts for later.
Speaker 2: It did not okay, good, And what's more safe then
Speaker 2: a fucking rainbow crosswalk. You can see it coming from.
Speaker 1: Further than I would think that that'd be very safe,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, But you know, not to a
Speaker 1: homophobe Jesus.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I've seen videos of like this space where
Speaker 2: the whole, like the steps leading up to this public
Speaker 2: building were painted rainbow, and this ass hat decided to
Speaker 2: climb up the railing instead of using the steps. So,
Speaker 2: you know, nothing surprises me.
Speaker 1: So former road Rules reality star current Secretary of Transportation
Speaker 1: Sean Duffy.
Speaker 2: Issue to the state is that where that one's from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, taxpayers expect their dollars to fund safe streets, not
Speaker 1: rainbow crosswalks. Political banners have no place on public roads.
Speaker 2: Take off your red hats are.
Speaker 1: I'm reminding recipients of US Department of Transportation roadway funding
Speaker 1: that it's limited to features advancing safety and nothing else.
Speaker 1: It's that simple, Yeah. He implies that pride crosswalks are
Speaker 1: causing chaos on the roads and have led to traffic fatalities.
Speaker 1: Far too many Americans die each year to traffic fatalities
Speaker 1: to take our eye off the ball. He of course,
Speaker 1: did not specify what percentage of the thirty nine and
Speaker 1: forty five traffic deaths in the US and twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four were caused by rainbow crosswalks.
Speaker 2: Right, unless people are fucking on the crosswalks and you
Speaker 2: swerve to avoid them, I don't understand how we even
Speaker 2: got here, which has never happened.
Speaker 1: By the way, of course, the Florida Transportation Secretary enthusiastically
Speaker 1: endorsed this mandate. Why is it when they gather, they
Speaker 1: crash grind her when they're so never mind moving on
Speaker 1: the greasy wheel. Marjorie Taylor Green rages at drag Queen's
Speaker 1: story Time as she defends Trump's Epstein friendship.
Speaker 2: The irony could choke a bear.
Speaker 1: She called out fake outrage from Democrats who support queer people,
Speaker 1: but are calling for the release of the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: We couldn't make this shut up?
Speaker 2: Do they just play a game of mad libs before
Speaker 2: they go in front of the microphone.
Speaker 1: She has been loudly calling for the release of files
Speaker 1: associated with the investigation for years, but she has been
Speaker 1: fairly silent on Epstein's long friendship with Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: the speculation that the Trump administration is reluctant to release
Speaker 1: those files. Tou to Trump's possible involvement in Epstein's crimes.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's not it, then release them, release them now,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: She took to Twitter to express her anger at Democrats
Speaker 1: for saying that Trump might be one of the clients
Speaker 1: on Epstein's rumored client list, and that's why his administration
Speaker 1: said that the Epstein list doesn't exist. Ah, as I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, and Trump has been criticizing his megabase. This
Speaker 1: should have gone on Chad and Ford right for the
Speaker 1: past several weeks for demanding the release of the rumored
Speaker 1: Epstein list. I hope they keep it up.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't unring a bellued dingbat. Nope, okay, he said,
Speaker 1: this was of course going to be released until people
Speaker 1: wanted it released, and now there's nothing to release, and
Speaker 1: if there is, Joe Biden and Barack Obama made it up.
Speaker 2: Then I.
Speaker 1: Don't make the news I reported. Yeah, yep, God damn it.
Speaker 1: Look over there, she said. And these same Democrats feigning
Speaker 1: outrage over pedophiles. Yeah, actual fucking pedophiles, your dumb hunt.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, grunt, defend drag queen's storytime naked men dancing
Speaker 1: in front of children at pride parades now and mentally
Speaker 1: ill men in girls and women's bathrooms, Green wrote, Democrats,
Speaker 1: sperishire fake outrage. This is how you, marge, defend and
Speaker 1: protect and enable the actual pedophiles. They feed right into you.
Speaker 1: This is how this cover up works because we know
Speaker 1: where to find them in scout troops and among the
Speaker 1: youth pastors and coaches, and you know many of these upstanding,
Speaker 1: married white Christian family men who actually diddle children, You
Speaker 1: dumb t whatt, and you help protect them because the
Speaker 1: pedophiles are not and have never been found in any
Speaker 1: large number. If among drag queens or trans women, you
Speaker 1: absolute to it. But what you do is tect actual
Speaker 1: pedophiles with every word out of your mouth. And that
Speaker 1: will be your legacy. One day, this smoke is going
Speaker 1: to clear, and that will be your legacy, sweetheart, And
Speaker 1: keep talking.
Speaker 2: Twatt is always going to be a funny word to me.
Speaker 1: I know it's not. I mean, it's just a what
Speaker 1: a waste of flesh that one is. So in the
Speaker 1: latest thing turning us gay. Wellness activist Alex Clark went
Speaker 1: on Sean Kelly's podcast, Their Names Are So White, said,
Speaker 1: your car air freshener is turning you gay. It is
Speaker 1: depleting you of testosterone, It is wrecking your hormone mad
Speaker 1: libs Clark. She said she told an Uber driver that
Speaker 1: is air freshener would turn him gay, and he immediately
Speaker 1: threw it away. M h m hm. She did attend
Speaker 1: Ivy Tech Community College, according to the article, although it
Speaker 1: was unclear if she ever obtained a degree. She did
Speaker 1: work in radio broadcasting before rebranding herself as a conservative podcaster.
Speaker 1: She has no expertise in medicine, uder chronology, biochemistry, or
Speaker 1: even biology more generally. However, that did not stop her
Speaker 1: from claiming that she was in an Uber and the
Speaker 1: driver had like a pack of trees, pack of car fragrance. Trees.
Speaker 1: She said that she told him the air freshness would
Speaker 1: turn him get and he immediately threw them away. I
Speaker 1: just saved that man's balls. She said. Those can make
Speaker 1: you very, very sick. It can make it hard to
Speaker 1: get pregnant. Is she admitting men can get pregnant? Wait?
Speaker 1: I digress. I mean there's a miriad issues with anything
Speaker 1: that has perfume or fragrance that's artificial. I love the
Speaker 1: disclaimers from LGBT Nation. There is no evidence that fragrances,
Speaker 1: no matter their chemical composition, affect testosterone levels at the
Speaker 1: levels that are present in car air fresheners. Moreover, while
Speaker 1: it's an article of faith in some parts of the
Speaker 1: Internet that low testosterone turns men gay, there is no
Speaker 1: scientific backing for this idea. Numerous studies have clearly established
Speaker 1: that plasma concentrations of sex steroids are perfectly normal, typical
Speaker 1: of the goonatal sex in both gay men and lesbians
Speaker 1: who In a separate video that Kelly posted to his
Speaker 1: social media accounts, Clark claims that liberal men have low testosterone.
Speaker 1: She said it was because liberal men eat more ultraprocessed
Speaker 1: food than conservative men.
Speaker 2: Do, and that is not even close to being true.
Speaker 1: Anyway. This podcast trades in conspiracy theories and woo, including
Speaker 1: you know, assertions about the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2: And this is why podcasts are getting a bad name,
Speaker 2: because these white cis had yahoos are the ones that
Speaker 2: are getting all this press for talking all this bullshit.
Speaker 2: I know, And that Uber driver he's like, wait, I
Speaker 2: bought the air freshener and that same night I sucked
Speaker 2: the dick. Wait a minute, maybe there's something to this.
Speaker 1: They have a big audience, though.
Speaker 2: We call that a false equivalency. Kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, be careful of those air fresheners in your car. More,
Speaker 1: buy more, right, depending on where you want to go
Speaker 1: with them, because.
Speaker 2: It's it's I've bought way more air fresheners than I've
Speaker 2: sucked dicks. So I don't know how that map be mathon?
Speaker 1: Have you real? I mean really, I don't know?
Speaker 2: Or should I say I've smelled more air fresheners than
Speaker 2: have sundecks?
Speaker 1: Have you real?
Speaker 2: I figured my law of numbers I have to have
Speaker 2: although I don't remember my entire twenties, that is true,
Speaker 2: others do, and half of my thirties.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Anyway, I think my fee is twitching. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: from the Advocate Lawmakers call out Robert F. Kennedy Junior's
Speaker 1: unconstonable apathy on the eve of the nine eight eight
Speaker 1: lifeline shutdown. This did happen. We are posting in the
Speaker 1: show notes once again the list of all of these
Speaker 1: supports that remain in place, including the Driver project.
Speaker 2: Yes, we posted that list in the episode notes of
Speaker 2: the last episode. We can do it again in this episode,
Speaker 2: and we may as well just put it in our
Speaker 2: link tree.
Speaker 1: Let's do that. Yeah, yeah, you know. The sub line
Speaker 1: of the nine eight eight Suicide and Crisis Lifeline was
Speaker 1: launched in twenty twenty two, accessible by pressing three, and
Speaker 1: it has fielded in nearly one point three million calls, texts,
Speaker 1: and chats since then. It was initially stated to end
Speaker 1: in October, but is now terminated.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah. RFK Junior promised during a May House Appropriations Committee
Speaker 1: hearing that he was happy to talk about the hotline's future,
Speaker 1: but has since ignored multiple meeting requests. And of course
Speaker 1: the HHS Press Secretary has no answer for any of this.
Speaker 1: This is just the cruel to that is the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: These days. Yeah, yep, I don't. I you know what,
Speaker 1: we are smarter and we're resilient, true because we've had
Speaker 1: to be. And this was staffed by I believe the
Speaker 1: Trevor Project to begin with. Right, they lost a contract
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry about that because this gave that many
Speaker 1: more queer kids access to life saving help, which Republicans
Speaker 1: don't want. They don't want our lives saved. They laugh
Speaker 1: when we die. And that's reason enough to keep going,
Speaker 1: just to say fuck them.
Speaker 2: You know again, be glad. All we want is justice
Speaker 2: and not revenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although.
Speaker 2: In this moment, yeah, but you can only push motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: But so far all right, well, yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: one more disgusting thing that happened, but it's you know,
Speaker 1: lawmakers called out RFK and to no avail. He's not
Speaker 1: answering them. He doesn't give a shit what they have
Speaker 1: to say. This continues, and that is that is our
Speaker 1: government these days. People they wanted to drown it in
Speaker 1: the bathtub, and they are. But the problem is, you know,
Speaker 1: the nation depends on these things. All government isn't.
Speaker 2: Bad people.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Puerto Rico's governor just signed one of the harshest
Speaker 1: gender affirming care laws yet. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico's Republican Governor, Jennifer Gonzalez Cologne, signed into law
Speaker 2: Wednesday a far reaching ban on gender affirming medical care
Speaker 2: for transgender people under twenty one, enacting one of the
Speaker 2: harshest measures of its kind in the United States and
Speaker 2: its territories, and prompting swift condemnation for medical experts and
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus advocations.
Speaker 1: Of course, because all of science is on our side.
Speaker 1: You done.
Speaker 2: Yeah so the law Senate Bill three fifty, which received
Speaker 2: the government's approval late in the day, prohibits the use
Speaker 2: of puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and gender affirming surgeries for
Speaker 2: anyone under twenty one, threatening doctors and other health professionals
Speaker 2: with up to fifteen years in prison, a fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars fine, and the permanent loss of their licenses and permits.
Speaker 1: Does this apply to the sis kids too?
Speaker 2: That's a good ask question.
Speaker 1: Who take puberty blockers and hormone therapy for precocious puberty?
Speaker 1: That is a good ass other causes or gender affirming
Speaker 1: surgeries on like sixteen year old boys? Kandomastia? Does it
Speaker 1: take away those two or just for transkits. I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is just more punitive, ugly bullshit to kill transkits,
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Public food are also barred from being used for such care.
Speaker 1: Mm. Well, good on her. What a what a what
Speaker 1: a piece of shit she is? Huh so that's that
Speaker 1: heart of the list. She has had to ask for
Speaker 1: amendments to product access to puberty blockers and allow miners
Speaker 1: already undergoing treatment to continue care, but lowmakers did not
Speaker 1: adopt those changes. Huh so why make that after that
Speaker 1: Supreme Court did what they were paid to do, you know,
Speaker 1: saying that the Tennessee ban could be enacted that allowed
Speaker 1: other states and territories to continue to ban such care.
Speaker 2: Right, Why make the concession if it's so wrong?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So she's now the most anti equality governor in history.
Speaker 1: Good for her. She ignored her own secretary of Health
Speaker 1: and the medical associations that support treatment for transminders by
Speaker 1: signing this, she has just endangered trans youth and their
Speaker 1: families and criminalized health professionals for doing their job. According
Speaker 1: to the president of the Puerto Rico LGBTQ plus Federation,
Speaker 1: no shade.
Speaker 2: But doesn't Puerto Rico have its own issues to deal
Speaker 2: with that, aren't this of course?
Speaker 1: Oh well, every red state has its own issues to
Speaker 1: deal with and focusing. But they're focusing on this, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're focusing on problem. They are focusing on problems they
Speaker 1: have created. There was no problem when y'all were minding
Speaker 1: your own fucking business and letting the professionals save these children.
Speaker 1: Nobody was being harmed. Didn't affect your life in one
Speaker 1: little motherfucking way because you didn't even know what was
Speaker 1: happening and you didn't give a goddamn and you still don't.
Speaker 1: You don't care about children. You are voting with pedophiles.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me you care about kids. Sure as
Speaker 1: fuck don't care about trans kids. And yes they exist.
Speaker 1: I was one, and God help you, I'm still alive,
Speaker 1: you stupid bitches.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like, oh, your infrastructure is back to one
Speaker 2: hundred percent and your codomy, No, it's not back up
Speaker 2: and flowing perfectly.
Speaker 1: And I doubt their emergency grit is up to standard
Speaker 1: these days. Either. But this is where they focus. It's time, attention,
Speaker 1: and money, because that's the Republican way. Look over here,
Speaker 1: while we rob you and God help us, they keep
Speaker 1: finding people to go. Okay, that sounds fun long as
Speaker 1: we can own the Libs, right, yeah, well you're killing people,
Speaker 1: you know, And please don't tell me you care about children.
Speaker 1: Please don't. It's a joke, right anyway, Speaking of jokes,
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom went on yet another MAGA podcast, What do
Speaker 1: we call Gavin these days? The Queen of I don't
Speaker 1: know the middle of the road. I talk about trying
Speaker 1: to walk the fence. Gavin Newsom, who's hell bent on
Speaker 1: proving that he is a centrist, as if you, as
Speaker 1: if one can be right now, as if that holds
Speaker 1: any kind of popularity. I don't know who he's singing to.
Speaker 1: God knows it isn't me, But yeah, he's been on
Speaker 1: a right wing media tour feeding into the anti trans hysteria,
Speaker 1: and did it again talking about gender politics with Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year, he had said he completely aligns with
Speaker 1: some of the gender politics a far right extremist, Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk right, and he then appeared to double down on
Speaker 1: the sentiment and then some this week on the Sean
Speaker 1: Ryan There's another really white God show podcast, The Whopping
Speaker 1: four Hour conversation started by questioning the participation of trans
Speaker 1: athletes and women's sports, cascaded into sewing doubt about evidence
Speaker 1: based gender affirming care, and landed on fake news about
Speaker 1: schools providing litterboxes to kids who say they're animals. He
Speaker 1: emphasized that he thinks conservatives are exploiting and weaponizing rhetoric
Speaker 1: about trans kids, but that hasn't stopped him from feeding
Speaker 1: into it. This is what I mean. He's trying to
Speaker 1: be all things to all people. You can't jackass intentionally
Speaker 1: or not. Newsom has lent his democratic branding and former
Speaker 1: credibility to entertain the musings of anti transactors. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: fire right has openly admitted to manufacturing a crisis about
Speaker 1: trans athletes to serve as a beginning point and get
Speaker 1: opponents of the LGBT movement comfortable with talking about transgender issues.
Speaker 1: As Peritary Shilling of the American Principles Project. I love
Speaker 1: how every one of them is named the opposite of
Speaker 1: what it is. They have no principles, of course, obviously
Speaker 1: and decidedly un American.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that the word shill is in that person's name.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yep. Interesting and prescient. On this latest podcast,
Speaker 1: the meandering conversation started on America's so called masculinity crisis. Oh,
Speaker 1: we have a masculinity crisis. Not the way they mean it,
Speaker 1: a reference to real problems facing boys and men, such
Speaker 1: as higher rates of suicide and social isolation, or a
Speaker 1: nod to conservative pearl clutching about the perceived feminization of
Speaker 1: American boys, depending on who you ask. Many of these kids,
Speaker 1: many of them not even having any relations sexual relationship
Speaker 1: with other women. Newsom said, this is the governor of California,
Speaker 1: but their kids, they shouldn't. It went from lamenting how
Speaker 1: American youth don't have enough sex to handwringing about whether
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus rights movement may be pushing sexuality onto kids.
Speaker 1: We're not the ones speaking of sexuality and divisiveness. Ryan said.
Speaker 1: One of the things in the last administration that really
Speaker 1: divided people is gender affirming care. Wow, they've incorrectly equated
Speaker 1: sexual orientation and gender identity, leading to a conversation about
Speaker 1: what Newsom called the trans issue. That's now no longer
Speaker 1: about celebrating your rights, it's about denying other people theirs.
Speaker 1: Newsom said, they don't know what words, marriage equality was
Speaker 1: about everyone's right, But your child may not have the
Speaker 1: same opportunity to get on the podium if a trans
Speaker 1: athlete is competing. Oh go fuck yourself? What who thank you? Advocate?
Speaker 1: Science shows no one biological attribute, including sex, fundamentally determines
Speaker 1: one's athletic success. For every Lea Thomas or Abe Hernandez
Speaker 1: winning medals, there are countless other transathletes across the country
Speaker 1: whose names are unknown, athletes who are average or bowlow average.
Speaker 1: Like all people, transathletes' abilities vary greatly, but athletes at
Speaker 1: all ages and ranks are being attacked by anti transactivists
Speaker 1: in the name of sport. Yeah they are. Newsome's rhetoric
Speaker 1: also falsely implies that the rights of trans women and
Speaker 1: girls are innately in competition with those of presumed CIS people.
Speaker 1: In reality, anti transfitriol routinely leads to violence against everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It fuels witch hunts against athletes even accused of being trans,
Speaker 1: such as the case of Amani Calif. Yes, it has
Speaker 1: resulted in death threats, anti trans harassment, and docsing campaigns
Speaker 1: against countless young girls, both CIS and trans. After one
Speaker 1: such case in Newsom's own state, where the young athlete
Speaker 1: ab Hernandez overcame literal angry mobs over her participation in
Speaker 1: used sports. The California Interscholastic Federation amended its rules for
Speaker 1: a so called compromise, giving a consolation spot to any
Speaker 1: presumed CIS girl who lost to a presumed trans one.
Speaker 2: When fear meets stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Ryan's line of questioning didn't stop with sports.
Speaker 1: He suddenly turned to the idea of trans kids in general.
Speaker 1: Is eight years old too young? Newsom said, the trans
Speaker 1: issue for me is so novel. I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: as much as anyone else, the whole pronoun thing. No, no,
Speaker 1: you're not. He added that gender affirming care for children
Speaker 1: is a tough topic that while some constituents have told
Speaker 1: him that it saved their child's life, he also read
Speaker 1: reports like the one the UK just came out with,
Speaker 1: which is completely false, referencing the widely rebuked and highly
Speaker 1: propagandized cast review see all Things are Equal. Though this
Speaker 1: is the game Newsom is playing, This is the game
Speaker 1: he's playing. Yep, yep. He of course did not weigh
Speaker 1: in on the common use of gender firming care for
Speaker 1: sys children. Gender firming harmone treatment is never given to
Speaker 1: young children, except in cases of precocious puberty, where it
Speaker 1: is the standard protocol for anyone regardless of their gender identity.
Speaker 1: Gender affirming surgery is also never performed on trans children.
Speaker 1: This young but unnecessary and non consensual. General surgery on
Speaker 1: intersex youth often is uh huh. You can point to
Speaker 1: that and talk about it, but they don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about them.
Speaker 2: It's like we're holding the American Medical Association and the
Speaker 2: you know, the organizations at the top of pediatric medicine
Speaker 2: in the same regard as the fucking comments section on
Speaker 2: fucking YouTube. It's like, what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 1: Oh well, here you go. To wrap this one up.
Speaker 1: Ryan compared trans kids to furbies, who are showing up
Speaker 1: to school in a kennel and using letterboxes. He might
Speaker 1: mean fairies, an internet subculture where people dress up in
Speaker 1: colorful animal costumes, which is often falsely and pejoratively conflated
Speaker 1: with transness. Furbies are a popular singing owl toy from
Speaker 1: the early two thousands. Either way, these claims are false,
Speaker 1: and Newsom dismisses it, but not fully mad libs that's
Speaker 1: been overhyped. He said, there have been a few instances. No,
Speaker 1: there haven't, There have not. Most of that is bullshit.
Speaker 1: But if that's occurred, that's ridiculous. He's gotta just leave
Speaker 1: that in a door open from both sides. A spokesperson
Speaker 1: from Newsom's office told Erin in the morning, we believe
Speaker 1: Sean was referencing a widely reported child abuse case involving
Speaker 1: a Memphis mother who plays children and dog Kennel's in
Speaker 1: the back of her car. To be clear, the governor
Speaker 1: does not subscribe to the repeatedly demunked and baseless right
Speaker 1: wing conspiracy theories mentioned elsewhere in the podcast.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he continues to self identify as a champion for
Speaker 1: elgi AWBTQ plus rights my how where when, even as
Speaker 1: our organizations have in fact condemned his anti transpivot. Reports
Speaker 1: have also emerged that he was trying to kill LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus protection bills behind the scenes throughout the last year
Speaker 1: or so. I believe I'm more open minded than I've
Speaker 1: ever been.
Speaker 2: He said, that's scary.
Speaker 1: Of anti trans sentiments. I think the sports issue really
Speaker 1: opened that door for me. The nuances in the space,
Speaker 1: what do you know about nuance and there are no
Speaker 1: fucking nuances. You jerk off. Yeah, Gavin Newsom, what a disappointment.
Speaker 1: This was a man who spoke with so much clarity
Speaker 1: on so many issues. I remember was so far in
Speaker 1: front of so many issues. I remember that he is.
Speaker 1: He put his finger in the wind and decided trans
Speaker 1: people belong under a bus. He's one of those Democrats,
Speaker 1: and he keeps talking to folks who help him prove
Speaker 1: that as he helps to tune their dog whistles. Shame
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 2: You can't be an effective leader if your balls are
Speaker 2: made of soap bubbles.
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, you can't be an effective leader if
Speaker 1: you're just giving up all leadership. What do you think
Speaker 1: he's trying to prove?
Speaker 2: I honestly can't tell you.
Speaker 1: I can't either.
Speaker 2: If you try to be everything to everyone, you're nothing
Speaker 2: for anyone.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. It's repugnant. It's repugnant. But I really think,
Speaker 1: you know, he plans to run for president and he
Speaker 1: thinks this is the only way to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: it boggles my mind when you know, you see people
Speaker 1: like Bernie Sanders and AOC garnering these huge crowds because
Speaker 1: they are saying what people want to hear, and yet
Speaker 1: you think what they really want to hear is Republican
Speaker 1: light right now.
Speaker 2: And these people are going on these podcasts. You never
Speaker 2: see them going on like New York Times podcasts. You
Speaker 2: never see them going on anything by NPR. It's always
Speaker 2: these like willy nilly, like fringe motherfuckers. And if you
Speaker 2: go on to their descriptions, and anytime you see a
Speaker 2: podcast that says, we talk about all the things that
Speaker 2: need to be talked about and all the conversations that
Speaker 2: need to be had avoided, like the fucking plague, because
Speaker 2: those are the ones that all they talk about is
Speaker 2: what is in the YouTube comments and they think it's fact.
Speaker 1: And I hear you. I'm not giving the New York
Speaker 1: Times a free pass on trans issues. God knows also
Speaker 1: that because I'm sorry now, no, you're right, So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they are, you know, the beacon of
Speaker 1: decency where trans people are concerned, because they are not fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to think of something that was
Speaker 2: like more credible than these people and.
Speaker 1: PR, which is why they're getting rid of it. How
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Get it there? You go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got this is Gavin Newsom, this is the
Speaker 1: you know, it sickens me, and this is what I
Speaker 1: have said. I mean, listen back, We've been talking about
Speaker 1: this this whole fucking time. The danger with all this
Speaker 1: rhetoric is it starts to make sense to otherwise intelligent people,
Speaker 1: well or something to do that. No, there isn't, No,
Speaker 1: there isn't. The reason they're targeting us is because we
Speaker 1: are such a small minority and it's so easy to
Speaker 1: tell lies. And I guess they just figure there aren't
Speaker 1: enough of us trying to stand up and tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And they think if they intimidate the people who stand
Speaker 1: with us and care for us enough, they will back
Speaker 1: away from us. And it's happening. There are cowardly hospitals
Speaker 1: and cowardly once respectable to me universities like the University
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania who are backing away and saying fuck the
Speaker 1: trainees because they just threatened to take away one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five million dollars. I mean, I hear you
Speaker 1: about the money, but where did your principals just go?
Speaker 1: I used to work there. I know what they thought
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. None of it was good. And the
Speaker 1: man that this is exactly what the Nazis did, and this,
Speaker 1: you know, this intimidation is exactly what led us to
Speaker 1: the story we're going to talk about in pop culture
Speaker 1: about Stephen Colbert, which probably should have gone right here,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll save that one. I need to
Speaker 1: scrub my tongue over Gavin fucking News and let's take
Speaker 1: a break, okay, and try to come back with some
Speaker 1: pop culture. All right, We'll be right, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna start with this one, because again,
Speaker 1: this bridges the two. While this is, you know, arguably
Speaker 1: a pop culture story, it's also fucking nonsense and it's
Speaker 1: a lie. So the Late Show with Stephen Colbert is ending,
Speaker 1: and CBS is making claims like this was an agonizing
Speaker 1: decision and it's just a financial one, sure, which seems
Speaker 1: patently falls since this is the most popular late night
Speaker 1: TV show of.
Speaker 2: All of them, and they're not replacing Stephen Colbert. They're
Speaker 2: pulling the plug on the entire thing. They're gonna be nothing.
Speaker 1: They announced it will end after ten seasons. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: replaced David Letterman as host of The Late Show back
Speaker 1: in March twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: That sounds right.
Speaker 1: Oh, he was grateful for being given a chair in
Speaker 1: a beautiful theater to call home, as well as his
Speaker 1: viewers from all around the world. The cancelation comes to
Speaker 1: days after the talk show host criticized the network's parent company,
Speaker 1: Paramount for its July third, sixteen million dollars settlement with
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, who alleged that CBS News is sixty
Speaker 1: minutes deceptively edited an interview with Kamala Harris. Uh huh. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Paramount is in the midst of a merger with sky Dance,
Speaker 1: a deal that will need approval from who the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Are we going to have to cancel our Paramount plus
Speaker 2: we subscription? Goddamn it.
Speaker 1: In a statement from CBS shared with People Magazine as
Speaker 1: where I'm reading this, the network said that the cancelation
Speaker 1: is not related in any way to the show's performance.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's not content, yes it is, or other
Speaker 1: matters happening at Paramount, of course it is. So why
Speaker 1: is it ending? Well, let's see, just days before it
Speaker 1: was canceled, they received an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Talk Series.
Speaker 1: The stateman said it was purely a financial decision against
Speaker 1: a challenging backdrop in late night. He's the most popular
Speaker 1: late night program, right, what do you mean? Our admiration, affection,
Speaker 1: respect for the talents of Stephen Colbert and his incredible
Speaker 1: team made this agonizing decision even more difficult. Oh god,
Speaker 1: this is such, this is I hope this came with
Speaker 1: a shovel that bullshit bullshit, bullshit bullshit bullshit end quote.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They noted the show has been number one in late
Speaker 1: night for nine straight seasons, and.
Speaker 2: It's only been one for ten.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, calling his broadcast a staple of the nation's zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Then why it being canceled?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? How can finances be the reason if you're
Speaker 1: the number one show? It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Because Orange Daddy threatened the money, that's the financial problem.
Speaker 1: No, they want this merger so that they can get
Speaker 1: even richer. And this is so they have no principles anymore.
Speaker 1: This is the this is where we live. It's you know,
Speaker 1: the richer getting richer, and they will, they will, they
Speaker 1: will kill their mother, you know, in order to get
Speaker 1: what they want. And if it means capitulating and bowing
Speaker 1: to the Orange menace, apparently, you know even paramount will
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, pay close attention to whatever feels the slot,
Speaker 2: because I think we are getting dangerously close to having
Speaker 2: state TV.
Speaker 1: I hope not. Yeah, I hope we don't get to
Speaker 1: that place. I hope that, you know, we have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a correction by that point. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, it is shocking, It is shocking. I did
Speaker 1: see several memes that said, HBO fire Bill Maher and
Speaker 1: hire Stephen Colbert, and I couldn't agree more word up.
Speaker 1: I would start watching that show again.
Speaker 2: Because when's the last time we fucking watched that bullshit?
Speaker 1: What both sides now? It's been a minute.
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called? Now, that's what I call Oh,
Speaker 2: because both sides now, you're funny, Thank you?
Speaker 1: I try one has to okay, So yeah, that's happening.
Speaker 1: It's just happening. What else we got here? This is
Speaker 1: not cleansing my palates?
Speaker 2: Well you started with.
Speaker 1: That, Sissa Sissa?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh come on? Can't we put an I and Scissa
Speaker 1: s z Sissa.
Speaker 2: It's like the res or the.
Speaker 1: Woo Tang claim says Ai contributes to environmental I'm deeply concerned.
Speaker 2: The way you looked at me, oh fuck, all right?
Speaker 2: Would you like me to do this?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: You were like, wait do I spell toast way? I
Speaker 2: would like you to say, oh ship all right. So
Speaker 2: Scissa says that AI contributes to environmental racism.
Speaker 1: This is why only one of us is white cone and.
Speaker 2: That she's telling she's deeply concerned. Now there is something
Speaker 2: to this because AI does have a very large environmental impact,
Speaker 2: and I do think about that. And her concern is
Speaker 2: that where the servers are located tend to be places
Speaker 2: that have larger impact with black.
Speaker 1: And brown communities, of course, like a pig farm.
Speaker 2: But right, she said, please google how much energy and
Speaker 2: pollution it takes to run AI. Please google the beautiful
Speaker 2: black cities like Memphis that are suffering because of Twitter's
Speaker 2: new AI system. Please just google environmental racism. AI doesn't
Speaker 2: give a fuck if you live or die. I promise
Speaker 2: there is a price for convenience, and black and brown
Speaker 2: people will pay the brunt of it. Every time AI
Speaker 2: is killing and polluting black and brown cities. None of
Speaker 2: you care because you're codependent on a machine. Have a
Speaker 2: great life, Jesus. I mean, she's not wrong. The use
Speaker 2: and role of AI have been questioned in relation to education,
Speaker 2: mental health, and the creative industries. Although the ethics of
Speaker 2: AI are a topic of discussion, studies have shown that
Speaker 2: the development of artificial intelligence data centers poses a risk
Speaker 2: to the environment. These centers run on high amounts of
Speaker 2: water and a staggering amount of electricity, which leads to
Speaker 2: increased carbon dioxide emissions and pressures on the electric grid.
Speaker 1: How to live with the planet. We're not going to
Speaker 1: have one.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And you know, I do think about this, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's so easy to like fire up chat GBT.
Speaker 2: You know, we see it all the time, like the
Speaker 2: pictures and the quote unquote artwork and the memes and everything.
Speaker 2: You know, we are killing the planet for our little
Speaker 2: two second hahahi he or helping us write that cover
Speaker 2: letter that we could have just written our goddamn self, right,
Speaker 2: So you know, we do need to think about this ship.
Speaker 1: And you know, while I had a moment, I just
Speaker 1: not to interrupt, but this is this is to me.
Speaker 1: I encourage my clients, like if they're asked by what
Speaker 1: we call recovery court to write an essay. An essay
Speaker 1: is used at times, so you know, a means of
Speaker 1: progressing or a means of correction or whatever. And one
Speaker 1: of the folks was asked to write an essay and
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 2: With chat GBT.
Speaker 1: We and I know, I mean me and everyone in
Speaker 1: the room, we were wetting ourselves laughing because this sounded
Speaker 1: like a college paper out of someone who is, shall
Speaker 1: we say, quite plain spoken, and brevity is her trademark,
Speaker 1: so three sentences would have made sense. This was two
Speaker 1: pages of just fluff and bullshit that said nothing, and
Speaker 1: we like cracked up. It just cracked up, like, you
Speaker 1: cannot turn that in. They will put you in jail
Speaker 1: because you clearly did not write this nonsense right. And
Speaker 1: AI is not all that intelligent if it wrote it
Speaker 1: for you, because it was double speak, like the whole
Speaker 1: thing said nothing right with a lot of words. So
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did I Well, no, I was just going
Speaker 2: to say, you know, I, while I may not be
Speaker 2: a fan of Sciss's.
Speaker 1: Music, I don't even I don't even know their music.
Speaker 1: I was just commenting on their spelling. That's really all
Speaker 1: I was doing.
Speaker 2: I actually do find her to be charming and intelligent
Speaker 2: and not a bad actor. Because she appeared in that
Speaker 2: movie just one of end days with Kiki Palmer, and
Speaker 2: I was, I was. I became a fan of hers,
Speaker 2: even though I'm not a big fan of her music.
Speaker 2: I call her style of music R and B for
Speaker 2: people that don't want to work that hard. But that
Speaker 2: being said, I have to agree with her assessment. It's
Speaker 2: not the first time I'm hearing it. And you know,
Speaker 2: these are things we need to think about, you know.
Speaker 1: Derek Johnson, president of the NAACP, said we cannot afford
Speaker 1: to normalize this kind of environmental injustice, where billion dollar
Speaker 1: companies set up polluting operations in black neighborhoods without any
Speaker 1: permits and think they'll get away with it, exactly, And
Speaker 1: that was in the New York Times. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: also running up people. The reason we have safeguards are
Speaker 1: to protect those of us who are otherwise killed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of greed. Yeah, that's why we have a government
Speaker 1: to represent us and put regulations in place that do
Speaker 1: not allow for unfettered capitalism that kills.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not wrong. She's not wrong at all.
Speaker 2: I don't wrong.
Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? Nothing in
Speaker 1: this administration, that's for damn sure.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about this one because I
Speaker 1: don't have to talk a lot or we can. But
Speaker 1: United WNBA All Stars where past what you owe Us shirts?
Speaker 2: Ooh, and the boys were mays. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So there was a sold out crowd of over sixteen
Speaker 1: thousand at Gainbridge Field House for the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: All Star Game MVP Trophy I guess, and the noises
Speaker 1: were booming saying pay them. The fans echoed the message
Speaker 1: players sent during warmups Saturday night when they wore black
Speaker 1: T shirts that read past what you Owe Us. The
Speaker 1: collective demonstration occurred two days after more than forty players
Speaker 1: met with the league in the latest round of collective
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement negotiations. The players didn't think the meeting produced
Speaker 1: enough progress with the late October deadline looming, so as
Speaker 1: a national audience turned into one of the most highly
Speaker 1: anticipated WNBA All Star games to date tuned in, the
Speaker 1: players put a spotlight on their behind the scenes fight
Speaker 1: to secure higher salaries and a larger piece of the revenue.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this,
Speaker 1: not even because of that, not even because of that,
Speaker 1: because every fucking comments section like Yahoo's SPO and ESPN and.
Speaker 2: You name, and you don't typically look at the comments.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just breezed through them to see all
Speaker 1: the men and way too many women condemning these women,
Speaker 1: saying you're not worth anything, saying you know, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for the NBA, you wouldn't exist at all, and
Speaker 1: mocking them openly. This is how they actually have and
Speaker 1: do support women's sports. Go look in all of them.
Speaker 1: That's the real way that these bloviating people who claim
Speaker 1: trans people are a threat to fairness in women's sports.
Speaker 1: This is how they actually feel about women's But.
Speaker 2: When I look at these people in the eye, because
Speaker 2: I've had the opportun to do this and say stop
Speaker 2: acting like you care about women's sports, they look at
Speaker 2: me like I farted on their best suit. I know.
Speaker 1: And yet there they are, in black and white with
Speaker 1: their government names, saying, you know, if you ever earn
Speaker 1: money and weren't fully subsidized by the NBA, we could
Speaker 1: have a conversation, ladies.
Speaker 2: Nobody's watching the WNBA anyway, So I don't understand what
Speaker 2: you're complaining about exactly, And that is patently false.
Speaker 1: It's pentently false, but that is the narrative around this
Speaker 1: entire thing. It just this brought it to the four
Speaker 1: once again. But this is how all of these people
Speaker 1: really feel about women's sports. The trans people who are
Speaker 1: just trying to play actually honor and support women's sports,
Speaker 1: and you know, honor the sport and very much appreciate
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play. They're not the problem. They never
Speaker 1: or were right. And you know, these people that pretend
Speaker 1: to protect girls and women again are the same ones
Speaker 1: that we are unsafe around. Yes, I said, we are
Speaker 1: unsafe around. And they're the ones that are hiding the pedophiles,
Speaker 1: and they're the ones where the common thread is they
Speaker 1: believe that they have every right to put their deck
Speaker 1: wherever the fuck they want to, whenever the fuck they
Speaker 1: want to. Consequences be damned, there shouldn't be any according
Speaker 1: to this version of maleness and manhood and masculinity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you want to see it on full display
Speaker 1: again also among women, go look at any of these
Speaker 1: common sections and it is overwhelmingly, but not exclusively white,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: And that's what cracks me exclusive, not exclusively, but overwhelmingly,
Speaker 2: and it always cracks me up. And it's this conversation
Speaker 2: and anything involving any kind of media where there's a
Speaker 2: series or a movie that is involving women, people of color,
Speaker 2: queer people, and god forbid, there's an intersection of said.
Speaker 2: That's when they say, no one's going to watch it,
Speaker 2: no one's watching it, no one's watching it. No, you
Speaker 2: may not be watching it, but there's plenty of women,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of queer people, there's plenty of queer men,
Speaker 2: people of color that are watching it. But you don't
Speaker 2: see that.
Speaker 1: Well, the people that matter aren't watching it because they
Speaker 1: don't know anyone watching exactly. That's the whole fucking narrative
Speaker 1: in this country right now. It only matters if white
Speaker 1: people care about it. Uh huh, Sis white people care
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, yeah, like I was. I was so
Speaker 1: oh the missogyny, the misogyny that that oh god, m
Speaker 1: m yeah turned my stomach. Oh yeah, and I went there.
Speaker 1: It is there, it is. We just needed a few
Speaker 1: T shirts to bring it right back to the surface.
Speaker 1: Not that this hasn't always been true, because of course
Speaker 1: it has, right. I wish more of my sisters in
Speaker 1: sports would point out the hypocrisy, truly, I do, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Not that none are because some very much are.
Speaker 2: And the only good thing they have to say about
Speaker 2: the WNBA is the one white player who's like doing
Speaker 2: really well right now. Oh, they'll praise the fuck.
Speaker 1: Out of her, how about it?
Speaker 2: But then say the rest of it, and she was like,
Speaker 2: and she's the first one to do anything good. That's
Speaker 2: oh my god, Oh my god. Women have been kicking
Speaker 2: ass in the WNBA since, been pimping, sins, been pimping,
Speaker 2: and half of y'all just discovered it, like last month,
Speaker 2: and then just discovered this white chick the month after that.
Speaker 2: And this is no shade to her because she's actually
Speaker 2: kicking ass and taking names. But it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: y'all are horrible people, and you're putting your horrible peopleness
Speaker 2: on full display, and then wonder why no one wants
Speaker 2: to fucking play with you, And then you want to
Speaker 2: claim you're lonely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love the WNBA. It is not
Speaker 1: the first time they've used their platform to make a
Speaker 1: public collective stand. In the twenty twenty bubble, they wore
Speaker 1: several shirts to support the Black Lives Matter protests. Very
Speaker 1: true in the second half of the twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: all Star Game, they wore Britney Griner jerseys yep, while
Speaker 1: she was being detained in Russia. Making another statement at
Speaker 1: this year's All Star weekend wasn't by accident. It's the
Speaker 1: only time of year when all of the league's most
Speaker 1: prominent players are gathered.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, that's her name. That's the one who everyone's praising.
Speaker 2: And I do believe she won an award either earlier
Speaker 2: this year or last year. And she made a point
Speaker 2: of saying, you know, okay, fine, you're giving me the shine.
Speaker 2: But I would not be here if I weren't standing
Speaker 2: on the shoulders of all the black and brown women
Speaker 2: who I play with, who play around me, who started
Speaker 2: this league and did it. And she stood their name
Speaker 2: and names, and I was like our girl.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. The WNBA has some vaccine tremendous growth
Speaker 1: in recent years, including a new two point two billion
Speaker 1: dollar media deal, skyrocketing expansion fees of two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. The players won a salary structure that
Speaker 1: gives them a larger piece of the pie they helped create.
Speaker 1: We see the growth of the league and as it stands,
Speaker 1: the current salary system is not really paying us what
Speaker 1: we are owed, and we want to be able to
Speaker 1: have that fair share moving forward, especially as we see
Speaker 1: all of the investment going in, and we want to
Speaker 1: be able to have our salaries reflected in a structure
Speaker 1: that makes sense for us. Yet, if you read the
Speaker 1: comments section, you would think they are not bringing in
Speaker 1: a dime, right because nobody cares about them.
Speaker 2: And now that the NCAA players are starting to get
Speaker 2: a little bit of money coming to them, uh huh,
Speaker 2: there is no longer even a fraction of an excuse
Speaker 2: for the WNBA players to not get what's.
Speaker 1: Do when I'm just I put this here because it
Speaker 1: just glaringly shines a light on how so many people
Speaker 1: really feel. Mm hmm, and it's still all right there. Yep.
Speaker 1: You know, if we cared about women's sports, we would
Speaker 1: give them equal funding in college, wouldn't we? Uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would give them equal opportunity in college.
Speaker 2: But we don't. And when they're in the work When
Speaker 2: women are in the workforce, their dollar would be the
Speaker 2: same as men's dollar.
Speaker 1: No, well, that's now you're talking crazy talk.
Speaker 2: Sorry, get out of the sky.
Speaker 1: Would you say, you know, we only talk about when
Speaker 1: women's safety when A it costs us nothing and B
Speaker 1: it can help us to marginalize a group of people.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it in general.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: And the people having this conversation, by and large, are
Speaker 1: the ones we're afraid of. They're the ones we have
Speaker 1: to be protected from in the first goddamn place. It's
Speaker 1: not me, It is not me. I don't care if
Speaker 1: I am in the locker room, Honey, I am not
Speaker 1: your problem, never was, never will be right. And you're
Speaker 1: not going to see me in a locker room either,
Speaker 1: because I don't do sports, so you're safe. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was. I'm disgusted enough reading
Speaker 1: the news. I was really disgusted over this.
Speaker 2: Article.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everywhere I saw it, the comments were worse.
Speaker 1: I have six different places today and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there it is. There it is again, Oh there it
Speaker 1: is again. And there is all that support of women's
Speaker 1: sports we've heard so much about. There it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so condescending, so demeaning, so degrading, so dismissive. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: how they really felt.
Speaker 2: Well, let's close out pop culture with the pop culture store.
Speaker 2: That's actually fun?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is that is it really? Oh? This one? This
Speaker 1: this is a pop culture moment, isn't it? Because I
Speaker 1: said to you this morning, what the fuck is all
Speaker 1: this about Coldplay? I haven't heard about cold Play and
Speaker 1: I don't know how long. What is?
Speaker 3: What is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: So at a recent cold Play concert, they have a
Speaker 2: kiss can. Yeah, they have a kiss cam like baseball
Speaker 2: games and shit do Yeah.
Speaker 1: This just happened on the sixteenth, Wednesday the sixteenth, at
Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts. Right when a man and
Speaker 1: a woman went viral for their reaction to being spotted
Speaker 1: together on camera on their kiss cam. Right, they made
Speaker 1: fun of it during their July nineteenth show at Camp
Speaker 1: Randall Stadium. We'd like to say hello to some of
Speaker 1: you in the crowd. How we're going to do that
Speaker 1: is we're going to use our cameras and put some
Speaker 1: of you on the big screen just to let you know. So, please,
Speaker 1: if you haven't done your makeup, do your makeup now, and.
Speaker 2: If you're with someone that you shouldn't be with, keep
Speaker 2: your grubby mist to youself. So apparently, yeah, So on
Speaker 2: the sixteenth, the camera happy to catch this couple. They
Speaker 2: were snuggled up and swaying back and forth to cold
Speaker 2: Plays music. Then and once they realized that they were
Speaker 2: on camera, she immediately turns around and hides her face and.
Speaker 1: Heat and he just ducks out a frame like to
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 2: He went exactly, uh huh, come to find out.
Speaker 1: And then people around them keep trying to jump on
Speaker 1: the jump, right. It's kind of hilarious, right.
Speaker 2: And and and Chris Martin of Coldplay was like, oh,
Speaker 2: look at these two. They're either having an affair or
Speaker 2: they're really shy.
Speaker 1: They were having affair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both married, but not to each other. Show
Speaker 2: he's an astronomer, right, No, he is the CEO of Astronomer.
Speaker 1: Out of the CEO of Astronomer.
Speaker 2: Well he was anyway, the CEO of Astronomer, which is
Speaker 2: a tech company, and she is the head.
Speaker 1: Of HR for for said tuch company.
Speaker 2: Right, so basically she's fucking her boss.
Speaker 1: And apparently are they both married? Did I get that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both married. Is not to each about the people, yeah, exactly, and.
Speaker 1: He's already resigned, right yeah, So this was just, I mean,
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy and double standard of it all is funny,
Speaker 1: but it you have to see the clip because when
Speaker 1: you showed me the clip.
Speaker 2: Just my favorite is the memes. In fact, I learned
Speaker 2: about this whole thing because of the memes. Like the
Speaker 2: one that I first saw was the one like the
Speaker 2: sad faced, white haired guy and the caption said, when
Speaker 2: you open up your laptop to check out the highlights
Speaker 2: of the Coldplay concert and find out you're getting.
Speaker 1: A divorce, right, It's like damn yeah.
Speaker 2: And then there's like unfortunately AI memes of like Fuzzy
Speaker 2: Bear and Miss Piggy.
Speaker 1: I saw that one.
Speaker 2: There was one of Homer Simpson and Lois Griffin. It's
Speaker 2: like the Internet is swift and ignorant.
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's not funny that but it is funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. But yeah, no, they never think about the kiss,
Speaker 1: can I guess right? It's yeah.
Speaker 2: If I'm somewhere I other than where I say I'm
Speaker 2: going to be, I don't even post on social media
Speaker 2: that day y'all went to a whole ass concert.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just like we called out from work
Speaker 1: that day. This is a whole last affair, right, And
Speaker 1: they're like, she's leaning back against in his arms and
Speaker 1: they're just the way into the medium. Cameras are everywhere, folks,
Speaker 1: so rethink that ship, I guess in public. But it
Speaker 1: does point to the hypocrisy, you know, of course, this
Speaker 1: is what happens, you know, because still within the corporate structure,
Speaker 1: there are actual rules we all sort of live by.
Speaker 1: W Why did why not in Washington d C? What
Speaker 1: when did we give up on all decorum and common
Speaker 1: sense and decency? When did we say it's okay to
Speaker 1: rape children with impunity and cover it up and get
Speaker 1: away with it? When when did that become okay?
Speaker 2: I swear I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we asked March Green, huh,
Speaker 1: but you know. But yeah, this was definitely a moment,
Speaker 1: a moment of pop culture that has been flooding the internet.
Speaker 1: I had no like, why are we talking about cold Blay?
Speaker 2: Because could argue y'all spent money on Coldplay tickets for
Speaker 2: a whole ass show, so already your decision making skills
Speaker 2: are questionable and that's not real, shade. I actually do
Speaker 2: enjoy a cold Play tune. I mean you heard one?
Speaker 1: You can't I can't think of one. I can't.
Speaker 2: But it's like when when cold Play was the halftime
Speaker 2: show at the super Bowl, I'm like, when was that?
Speaker 2: Like it was the year that people discovered Beyonce was
Speaker 2: black because it was cold Play, and then it was
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars and then Beyonce showed up and she did
Speaker 2: formation and they were all dressed as black panthers. And
Speaker 2: then the next day everyone decided they didn't like Beyonce
Speaker 2: because they discovered she was black. I mean, that's not
Speaker 2: the reason they gave, but that's what happened. Yeah, Coldplay
Speaker 2: was the was the headliner?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, huh, why not? Oh I don't
Speaker 2: know any.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I'm not familiar, which is I'm just
Speaker 1: not Yeah, So that was That's that's where we are.
Speaker 2: Cluse cole Play don't exactly rock the house.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think so. On this day in pop culture,
Speaker 1: we've been so we've been watching The Gilded Age. We
Speaker 1: just were treated to two episodes. We are Opulence Porn, yes,
Speaker 1: and it is. We've we're rewatching Pose. We're in season three, yes,
Speaker 1: because Dominique Jackson called me elegant, So yeah, we're still
Speaker 1: watching that of course. Yeah. I continue to Yeah, keep
Speaker 1: my life even with episode reruns of Law and Order.
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a whole SPU season I haven't
Speaker 1: looked at yet. Yeah, but that's fine, but I'll binge it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like talking about the opulence, porn and
Speaker 2: gilded age, like, I think I came a little when
Speaker 2: I saw that robe that George Russell.
Speaker 1: Was where, got way too excited.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I want that robe. It was silk,
Speaker 2: and it was black, and it had gold shimmering like
Speaker 2: like floral patterns.
Speaker 1: It was and a train. You were not kidding.
Speaker 2: That gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It did not have it follow you and peel on it.
Speaker 2: It did not have a tree. I mean it might have,
Speaker 2: it would not surprise me.
Speaker 1: If it did. I didn't even know. I didn't even
Speaker 1: catch what you were pointing to.
Speaker 2: It was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I did not catch it.
Speaker 2: Like between that robe and the red silk wallpaper in
Speaker 2: that one scene, well, yeah, the hallway cha, I was damp. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, I wonder what it costs to do that.
Speaker 1: Good God, but yeah, it's it's it's quite something. We
Speaker 1: captures a period of uh, you know, and and just
Speaker 1: showed up on the storyline.
Speaker 2: I don't think it might be in her contract now,
Speaker 2: like she don't play non bougie bitches no more.
Speaker 1: She really doesn't, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying no more. I'm thinking back to
Speaker 2: Claire hawk Stable. I don't think she plays.
Speaker 1: This one's not even funny though, this one's just and
Speaker 1: I mean Audra McDonald in her role in the Gilded Age,
Speaker 1: convinced me she would be a phenomenal rose and gipsy,
Speaker 1: which of course she was. And watching Felicia Roshad out
Speaker 1: bougie Audra McDonald's is something to see. It is something
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: But her character played definitely to the sentiment of the
Speaker 2: time because we're talking about a time when black folks
Speaker 2: were just emancipated like well some in.
Speaker 1: Some had lived free in the north right, which is
Speaker 1: you know, Claire Huxtable's character, but you know some were
Speaker 1: former slaves at this point because we're looking at what
Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties, I guess, right, So you've got you know,
Speaker 1: characters first generation former slaves, which is the character that
Speaker 1: is Ardre McDonald's husband has become a very successful pharmacy owner,
Speaker 1: right pharmacist, and.
Speaker 2: She looked down on him, Felicia Chide's character looked down
Speaker 2: on him because a he was a former slave.
Speaker 1: And the they were a little too black, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was the little scene about keeping the children
Speaker 1: out of the sun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God forbid they get anymore son, right, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: y'all about to tell the tell the real story though,
Speaker 2: because that's some ship and Lord knows that still permeates. Now.
Speaker 1: That was a moment of don't let them get any darker.
Speaker 2: Because that's still Oh my god. There are people, there
Speaker 2: are black people walking around now who will only date
Speaker 2: people of a certain hue because they don't want the
Speaker 2: kids to be any blacker than they are.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: There's dark and brown skin black women who will not
Speaker 2: date dark and brown skin black men because they don't
Speaker 2: want to have kids who are as dark or darker.
Speaker 1: Does that work every time, though, because I don't think
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 2: I mean, genetics can be interesting.
Speaker 1: Right, because yeah, I mean I've seen families of very
Speaker 1: different shades my parents, because that's just the roll of
Speaker 1: the dice, right, Yeah, I mean, just like in my family,
Speaker 1: some some have you know, very olive skin that tans
Speaker 1: and never burns, and some are paper fucking white. You
Speaker 1: can read your mind, turn right and turn red when
Speaker 1: they walk outside, and shades in between and I same
Speaker 1: family and jeans and just different iterations. Doesn't it work
Speaker 1: the same?
Speaker 2: Yes than not, to a degree more often than not.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a closer correlation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have seen two light, lighter skinned parents
Speaker 1: have a darker kid.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but the reverse doesn't tend to happen, is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, too, dark people don't have a
Speaker 1: lighter kid. Okay, maybe not, but but I have seen,
Speaker 1: you know, children darker than their parents. It happens because
Speaker 1: genes tanatics are interesting things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying that's a mindset that's real.
Speaker 1: Just like a passing you know, black person who passes
Speaker 1: is white and has a child with you know, another
Speaker 1: white person, and the child is.
Speaker 2: Then your grandmom's jeans kicking and.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and every nobody's happy at the at the christening,
Speaker 1: right Yeah, I just how can work anyway? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was an interesting line. Get those children out of the sun.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: The white man done fucked it up for everyone.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been saying that my whole life because it's
Speaker 1: felt that way from over here. To say it, it's
Speaker 1: never made sense to me.
Speaker 2: Fucked up our mind, our bodies, our spirits, our money,
Speaker 2: our air, the water, all the Captain Planet components, all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that anyway, watching.
Speaker 2: That all that to say all that Gilded Age is good.
Speaker 1: We're watching the Gilded all that to talk about TV.
Speaker 1: And there's a Billy Joel special. I really really really
Speaker 1: want to say. Yes, I love Billy Joel music, the
Speaker 1: poet laureate of Long Island.
Speaker 2: I'm interested in watching that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see that. A big fan of
Speaker 1: his music in real time. I saw I was at
Speaker 1: several Billy Joel concerts and you know the piano mentor
Speaker 1: when he was with Elton John And yeah, big fan.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. I want to see that that documentary, Yes,
Speaker 1: because he's from my era.
Speaker 2: So this episode will be coming out and I will
Speaker 2: also be doing an interview with an author named Juano Diaz,
Speaker 2: who is the author of a book called Slum Boy
Speaker 2: that I have been reading, and that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: A little boy who grew up in the slums of
Speaker 2: Glasgow and the journey that he went through in a
Speaker 2: an orphanage and then getting a new family and reconciling
Speaker 2: his past with his present and the family he remembers
Speaker 2: with the family that he has. Yeah, it's it's going
Speaker 2: to be an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: The dog is disgruntled. I look forward to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds wonderful, Glasgow, Scotland.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the book started off so depressing. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was insane, not depressing it and then it got
Speaker 2: better and then it got good.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that queer author.
Speaker 2: Yes, I assume, yes, oh yeah, because on top of
Speaker 2: all this, like he still hasn't grown up enough to
Speaker 2: recognize the fullness of his queerness. But there's been glimmers, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like glitter, a little trail exactly leading there. We love
Speaker 1: our queer authors, yes we do, reading their work and
Speaker 1: talking with them. Yes, that's all I got. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I got. I feel I've gotten everything off
Speaker 1: my spirit. No good, well for now.
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