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Speaker 1: I would imagine, Oh, look at you making a managerial decisions.

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Speaker 2: Oh never, I didn't say that. You hear that, Joe.

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Let's get on all right, we're done with the news

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at new Yeah we can. We can fade this down, Nicholas.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna let We're gonna let Jill make the news

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at noon.

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Speaker 2: I walked in at the right time. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, we're not gonna talk about that at all, no questions.

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Speaker 1: We make lots of money and making these kind of

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analysis lots of I make a lot of.

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Speaker 3: I don't make anything. Yeah, he makes more. That's why

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he makes the actual correct decisions.

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Speaker 2: You got a big night ahead of you, by the way.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know. I was wondering where they want

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to set up at. There's a lot of people coming.

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Speaker 2: It's a big dinner run by the governor. I know.

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But where is it? I don't know. I didn't plan that.

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You gotta dress up for that bad boy.

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Speaker 4: You got a tucks or what's Oh yeah, I got

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a little dress code. Yeah, bring it with you or

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I got it. I got it, I got it, I

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like it.

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Speaker 2: I got the governor.

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Speaker 4: We got Uh, it's you have to speak at all. No,

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I don't think, so get to hang out with some

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cool players.

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Speaker 2: Ye, Molina, that's going to be here, Is that right? Yeah?

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I heard. I think Barry Larking is going to be here.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest reds of them all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm gonna go out there with some few pearls. See,

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Speaker 1: The reason why we know this is because we, uh

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mctagger and I invited Joe watch Base Rockets with in

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the Rockets cousin game tonight.

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Speaker 2: What time? What time? That game starts?

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Speaker 1: Nine o'clock?

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Speaker 2: Well the thing ends at eight? See where where were

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we're going to meet up? Where are we going? Uh,

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we're gonna be over dressed.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go int the duffies in the suit to

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see that for sure?

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Speaker 2: Duffies? Which duffies you guys do? I don't know. He's

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his decision, not mine.

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Speaker 3: Brian mctager's running the local fan club.

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Speaker 2: We're going to eat steak first, so oh you guys

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Speaker 3: Oh I forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might need to dress up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably like this right If we talked to

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the manager place, yeah, we should, all right, So we

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asked forty questions of you a few weeks ago, and

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we're gonna try some forty new one. All right, ready,

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here here's what I get. Here's a crazy take. We

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had your space cowboy pitching staff could be the filthiest

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and Triple A baseball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the whole idea behind it.

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Speaker 4: Create a create a line of defense if something happens

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at the majorlegue level, these guys can come up and perform.

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from n I. They're good arms, some of them major

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league service. And that was the whole idea behind it.

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Do you feel like you've got to set a date

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Speaker 1: You know, publicly say it, but in your mind, I

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want to have my rotation set by a certain time.

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do have a pretty good idea of how your rotation

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is going to look like, and you start lining them

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up so you know who you're going to how you're

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going to you know, line them up not only for

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that first series but against the Red Sox. Right, and

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then there's an off day and then we do have

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a stretch of games, so we're going to be facing

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the Mariners, so we want to make sure that we

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line up certain pitchers to face certain some of those teams.

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the middle of that bullpen, some of the long guys,

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some of those that's where we're going to be spending

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Speaker 1: So if you don't use your starters a lot during

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spring training because you they don't need to be burning, right,

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how do you do how do you get those middle

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guys in when everybody needs to getting anything?

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even the starters. You you know, you at some point

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you get him throwing sixty eighty pitches, and but there's

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plenty of stuff that we do in the backfield. You know,

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on the main field, but we could create some some

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live vps and and try to get them built up

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Speaker 2: But you know, you have to be creative.

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Speaker 4: You just don't have enough innings here sometimes to answer

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some of those all those questions.

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Speaker 3: Sticking with the pitching, Christian Xavier is an interesting one

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Speaker 2: How what do you see from him where he is now?

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they usually come back and happens what happens to Heavier.

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trying to come around, and he has some decent outings.

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dr throwing bullpens up to forty pitches.

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Speaker 2: Now you see some health.

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Speaker 4: Now you can start you know, planning ahead, and you

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start seeing a good version of him again. He's going

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to be big for us. He's going to be really

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big for us. We get that Christian heavier, which I

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know is in there, that twenty twenty two Christian heavier.

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Speaker 2: Watch out.

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Speaker 1: We had Spencer Getty about twenty minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: What what's Spencer?

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Speaker 1: It's going to show up?

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Speaker 2: You think, you hope I should say yeah.

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Speaker 4: And again you know I think Spencer year after that

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injury and the post there in the middle just kind

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Speaker 2: He's messed up his rhythm. And and and it.

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Speaker 4: Sucked because we had high expectations for him. We really

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like this stuff, and once he gets going, he's he

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could be pretty dominant. But I expect him to come

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in and and and and be good. His stuff is

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so good he could create swing and missus looking for

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guys that can take us deep into the game. Man,

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that's gonna be that's gonna be key for us.

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Speaker 1: We have discussed about the six man rotation because you've

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got plenty of arms in the schedules certainly would dictate that, right.

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day when they're feeling good and feeling like they can

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Speaker 2: A guy is a tough day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, let's tackle that one first. Anytime you

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Speaker 2: So any hiccup from your starters.

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Speaker 4: Now you start, you know, asking some of your high

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leverage relievers just throwing in down games and stuff like that.

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ten right like we did a few times to huntor

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last year.

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Speaker 2: So it's tricky.

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Speaker 4: You just got to be patient and and and that's

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why bringing all these arms is important so we can

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Speaker 3: Astro's manager Joe spottles hear on Sports Talk seven ninety

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I'm not gonna ask you who's playing were, but just

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at a general humans standpoint, you know, you as a manager,

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you have many different roles. You have to be psychologists,

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all these guys. What is that challenge like for you

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trying to just because everybody wants to play every day,

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which is a great thing and great and so competitive, yes, yes,

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but then try to figure out a way to kind

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of figure this thing out with the personal, with the

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human element of it.

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Speaker 2: Man, I tell you the toughest part of my job. Right.

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Speaker 4: We have a super competitive group of players who want

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to play every day, And if there were not like that,

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what's wrong with this guys?

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Speaker 2: Right, But they're not like that. They all want to

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play every day.

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Speaker 4: They'll every day players, right, And I've learned that even

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working on some great managers, sometimes you're gonna have tough

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conversation with players and they're not gonna like what you say, right,

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make that decisions and I understand that they're not gonna

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like it, but we have to do what's best for

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the team. So if if they all understand that we're

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doing this was best for the team, our players knowing that, listen,

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it's not personally just best for for the team. And

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it's it's tricky. It's difficult, especially when you when you

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out there and and and and and ball and play

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good and and the good players all Stars, Silver Sloggers,

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Gold Glovers, Hall of Famers, Hall of Fame Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 2: There you go shooting Hall of famers, Yes, exactly, you

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know we got them all.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, Zach Cole is going to have every opportunity

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to win that left field spot for you. You got jenk

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and center camp corner outfield spots supposed to be power hitting.

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Speaker 4: How long do the least of those guys have you

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Speaker 2: Here. They're going to get a ton of our bats.

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Speaker 4: And we we're looking for some of those guys to

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step up. Really will like some of those guys to

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take over that every day role. And we know that

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Camp it's really close doing that. Last year he got

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to a good start second half of the season, the

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not gods good, but we know he figures some stuff out.

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that competition there with you mentioned Sach. We just got

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low Berfido with Jake excellent center fielder. So it's going

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to be interesting because I just don't think right now

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as we speak today that I don't really know exactly

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how that's gonna shake out. I'm hopeful that everything that

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we are planning turns out that way. But these are

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young players and we need to be patients, and they'll

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they'll they'll let us know.

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Speaker 1: The craziest thing. And I've mentioned this in my audience

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for years covering all these spring trainings. I don't trust

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numbers in March, and I don't trust numbers in September. Yeah,

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you got one kid who had killed it in March

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last year who look ahead Upton downs as you would admit,

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but defense with the great and then Zach was great

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in September. So the brighter lights are in April. They

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count the same amount of time.

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Speaker 4: You know what, And what I like about what you

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of what March looked like, so we know that March won't.

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player could be a really good March player, right we

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we we saw this get in September, but we also

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home runs in big moments, So that stuff matters when

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you are evaluating players. So we learn a lot about

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Speaker 1: You got one, I got one?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sure, why not?

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Speaker 3: You gotta feel good about defensively, certainly out it's almost

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whoever you pick it, and not out of a hat,

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of course, but whoever you picked to put out there,

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the outfield defense is going to be improved.

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Speaker 4: Yes, athleticism, guys can go and and and you know,

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take care of Boston the gap whoever's not starting. You know,

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for example, if you're done and starting left.

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Speaker 2: I got enough. I can replace defense.

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Speaker 4: And you feel really good about about any of that stuff.

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But yeah, that's been our goal this off season, trying

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to stay more athletic, and we've been able to add

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a few guys that helping us do that.

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Speaker 1: Here it comes the question, here's a question. You're moving

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a sock around. Tell me as much as you're wanting

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to tell the city Houston. We have hundreds of people

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listening right now. I wish it was but it's a holiday. Yeah,

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Sak walks in.

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Speaker 2: You hug him out and.

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Speaker 1: Say, hey, how is your off season? I'm sure you've

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talked him before. Then is he going, Okay, I'm here,

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what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, give us as much as.

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Speaker 4: You can, okay, hitting not ask what you want me

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to do. He already knew going in here what we

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wanted him to do.

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Speaker 2: But he's real. You know, once you get here and now.

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Speaker 4: Anybody start moving in first, second, some third.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 4: Full confidence that he could play all three. There's he

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can do it right. We love the bat, but the

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question is always how we're going to make all these work.

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And that's where I come in and we have the conversation.

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You know this will play out unless let's just give

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it time and see where it takes us. And you know,

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it's just not easy for players too.

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Speaker 2: They want to know right now, and you.

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Speaker 4: And I and I and I get it, but you know,

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and it's they're all really good players.

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Speaker 2: And that's where it's.

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest utility player in the baseball today. You've

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got the greatest pinch hitter available.

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Speaker 2: For you today.

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Speaker 4: But you know another thing, I don't want to look

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at him as a utility player because you know, you know,

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but this is the thing about about when you think

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about an utility player, you think defense first. This guy

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is one of the best hitters I know, so you

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know they this is WIT's the reason why we're all like, okay,

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but you know, but you know, I know our fans

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ask you these questions all the time, and it's fair

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fair enough, it's fair enough twice on Sundays, and I

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get that I get asked the same questions. Uh, and

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I'm going to continue to answer the same question. Let's

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just give it time and and we played these out

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and that is my my biggest job.

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Speaker 2: And just make sure that those guys stay focused on

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the mission.

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Speaker 1: So many players have told us publicly and privately, you're

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a great communicator your friends, but handle this can be you,

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so thank you.

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Speaker 2: Don't screw it up. We're counting on you.

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Speaker 1: You. Joe spotted with us Matt and Ross here from

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West Palm Beach a short time. I'll come back with

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more here from Astro spring training in a moment now

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in seven ninety