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<v Speaker 1>On a chilling evening in December nineteen eighty nine, a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow loomed over Montreal's Nicole's Polytechnique. A sinister figure unleashed

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<v Speaker 1>a horrifying act of violence, specifically targeting female students. The

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<v Speaker 1>echoes of that night still resonate as a somber reminder

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<v Speaker 1>of the darkness that can descend upon us the most unsuspecting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole, my name's Ben, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners just question that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Tis the season? It's officially December.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It is December fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>We posted a pretty funny meme that we put together

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram and Facebook today it uh, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to recite it? Do you remember it?

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember it, but no, not verbatim. It's your more,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more your things, so fin.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I believe off the top of my head, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it said something like, uh, it's the season for

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<v Speaker 2>true crime documentaries or Christmas movies. Either way we're slaying

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<v Speaker 2>or we're slaying like Santa's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was funny, but I was just like, who Santa?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Santa looks a little more bid in that post.

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<v Speaker 2>Married so you're doing today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a bit of a doozy, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lie, but a Canadian one, right, it is. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's been on my list for some time and we

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<v Speaker 1>or I very strategically chose today to present it. Does

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<v Speaker 1>it and you'll know why soon enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it fit in with like Christmas?

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<v Speaker 1>Then no, it's just the anniversary Okay, anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>Date, gotcha, because we're all trying to do like a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Christmas stuff lately.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we have a vlog miss going on on

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<v Speaker 1>our YouTube channel. It's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>We do every day of December. We're posting a vlog.

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<v Speaker 2>So we put our decorations up in the tiny home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you did as a surprise. So awesome. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so our tiny home is all Christmas decorated up.

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<v Speaker 2>We've logged that and we do you want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>them the other blog we did yesterday?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, what a shit show that was. We did a

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<v Speaker 1>chicken photo shoot. So it consisted of us taking an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>individual shot of each chicken with a little tiny Santa

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<v Speaker 1>hat on their head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so each one of our chickens got a little

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<v Speaker 2>portrait with a Santa.

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<v Speaker 1>Hat, and that was it was about one hundred times

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<v Speaker 1>more work than I think either of us anticipated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're probably picturing this right now as you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this, just how you think it probably went.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably exactly what happened. Yeah, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was fun though, and the outcome was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got some good photos that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be putting up on our socials too, So if you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to check them out, you can go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and check them out with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Links in the description there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with the YouTube. You can go check out the

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<v Speaker 2>vologmas there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's lots more to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's also you can go ahead and check

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<v Speaker 2>out Patreon too if you if you want description link

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<v Speaker 2>is there below. Yeah my sentence, sorry, I stumbled that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we already have some of the chicken photos up

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreons.

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<v Speaker 2>We do, we do.

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<v Speaker 1>They got a pre look, they always get. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>would it be called first first on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Scene, first on the now, I mean, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, it's their get. I don't even know shit, this

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<v Speaker 2>A sneak peek.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was thinking something else but oh man, oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>First responder. I don't know, it's kind of first on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Scene, first look, I think, first look. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do have one Patreon, one patronaton oh a patron,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just wrote it on my notes rather than

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<v Speaker 1>sending it to you, and we have our newest and greatest. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all great, Dark Angel Dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Appreciate you and everyone else out there,

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<v Speaker 2>not just our patrons just listening right now. You're awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's freaking awesometis the season to be awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Tis the season for apparently a Canadian massacre? If?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so today we're going to be chatting about the Ecole,

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<v Speaker 1>which is school in French poly technique massacre.

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<v Speaker 2>What does polytechnique mean?

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that's also French, but basically

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<v Speaker 1>it's an engineering school. Okay, yeah, so over in Montreal, gotcha. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna be chatting about this, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I just want to say, I guess a little

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<v Speaker 1>warning is it is a school shooting, which is very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to talk about, and it's it's an issue that

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<v Speaker 1>still is an issue today. So just to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>trigger warning there that we will be talking about that,

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<v Speaker 1>which it sucks that these kind of things happen big time.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm, definitely does.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so if that's if that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>triggering to you, then then we totally understand if you

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<v Speaker 1>skipped this.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode fair enough, Well, thank you for the heads up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so here we go. So Gamille Garby, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have one more thing to say. This is Quebec.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off French, so my pronunciation might be a little off,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, We're just here doing our best, okay. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Gamille Garby was born on October twenty sixth, nineteen sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>in Montreal, Quebec, to Rashad LEAs Garbi and Monique lepine So.

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<v Speaker 1>Rashad was an Algerian immigrant who worked as a mutual

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<v Speaker 1>fund salesman. Monique was a former Catholic nun but had

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<v Speaker 1>turned to nursing to support herself when she had left

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<v Speaker 1>the convent. So after that she met and married Washad,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a nonpracticing Muslim, and raised her children or

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<v Speaker 1>their children as Catholics. But she always said that Camille

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<v Speaker 1>had been born an atheist, which is a person who

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<v Speaker 1>disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing she could do to change that.

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<v Speaker 1>Gamille agreed, but a lack of faith was only one

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<v Speaker 1>of the many things that he lacked growing up. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of his father's job, the family they did move around

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but some of the places like Costa Rica

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<v Speaker 1>and Puerto Rica, I feel like, are pretty cool places

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<v Speaker 1>to live. I wouldn't mind living there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're definitely warmer than somewhere like Quebec.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they lived there places like that for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years before they moved back to Montreal in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight, just before the stock market crashed and the

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<v Speaker 1>family unfortunately suffered a great loss. Things had already been

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<v Speaker 1>difficult for them, maybe not necessarily financially, but within the home.

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<v Speaker 1>The father was a strict disciplinarian, and he often punished

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<v Speaker 1>both Monique and their children, So it was Camille and Naudia,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Gamille's sister. With everything that came with suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>losing all their money, he seemed like he became even worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean probably the stress of it, right, probably, which

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<v Speaker 1>is no excuse. Though he'd always treated Monique like she

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<v Speaker 1>was his servant, but now she had to act like

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<v Speaker 1>his secretary as well. He'd have her typing out all

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<v Speaker 1>of his documents, and he watched as she did this

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<v Speaker 1>over her shoulder, and anytime she would make any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mistake like a typing air, he hit her.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus, yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding, Like, could you imagine that would make me

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<v Speaker 1>make way more mistake?

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<v Speaker 2>No kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't handle when I'm being watched while I'm working,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, yeah, I'd probably just say you back.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the children were crying for her, he'd make

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<v Speaker 1>her keep working and tell his family that she would

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<v Speaker 1>only be spoiling the children if she paid them too

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<v Speaker 1>much attention. So basically just like just don't even think

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<v Speaker 1>about their needs kind of thing, which is really disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Act that is, this was especially true if Money tried

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<v Speaker 1>to show any love and affection to a meal, though,

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<v Speaker 1>because the father believed that that was the worst thing

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<v Speaker 1>that Moneique could do for their son, and he got

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<v Speaker 1>violent ever he saw it happening. Basically like, don't show

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<v Speaker 1>love and affection, especially to a boy. I guess, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Oh, I don't know. Finally, in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>when Rashad ended up hitting a meal in the face

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<v Speaker 1>so hard that it left a bruise that lasted more

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<v Speaker 1>than a week. Monique pulled the plug. She packed up

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<v Speaker 1>the children and herself up and filed for a legal separation.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for her, that's not an easy thing to oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so good on her for having the strength to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and I feel like, I mean, it's never an

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<v Speaker 1>easy thing to do, but I feel like back then

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<v Speaker 1>it might have even been harder.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think so too, because the view on everyone else, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like you don't leave a relationship, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you do, you're the problem, Like all these fucked

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<v Speaker 2>up things that have gone through like several decades of

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<v Speaker 2>like marital I don't know the words, but like marital

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then she also had a religious background, which

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<v Speaker 1>adds a whole other level.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly does a lot of people in the religious

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<v Speaker 2>world if they do leave a relationship like that, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>get ostracized not only other family members, but like members

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<v Speaker 2>of their commune in the church.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was like her. The family would turn their back,

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<v Speaker 1>could turn their back. I think they did. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I read something about that completely turned her

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<v Speaker 1>their back on her.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised. Seemed like that was way too common.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes my heart hurt quite a bit. Actually, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>where were we here? And I should say too, like

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<v Speaker 1>we are chatting a little bit more about a problem

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<v Speaker 1>person in this episode, but sometimes that just happens, right, Yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was left with the house which Rashad was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be making the mortgage payments on, and also

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<v Speaker 1>had full custody of the children. She had full custody

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<v Speaker 1>of the children. Rashad had weekly supervised visitation rights, but

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<v Speaker 1>they only lasted a few weeks after the legal separation

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<v Speaker 1>became final. He I think he went about not even

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<v Speaker 1>really caring to see them. He also stopped paying the

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage and only made child support payments twice before he

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<v Speaker 1>cut all contact with his family. Gamille never heard from

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<v Speaker 1>or spoke to his father again, so basically he just

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<v Speaker 1>was done with them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that might have been a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a silver lining if I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, if he was a complete dang.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if he's as abusive and controlling as he sounds,

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<v Speaker 2>they might just well have been better off without someone

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<v Speaker 2>like that in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, they couldn't even be like alone with him.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does that say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's brutal, the scary as fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's your dad. That's someone that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so unfortunate that so many people these days

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this was also pretty hard for Monique because

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<v Speaker 1>So at the time, Gamille was only about nine years old.

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<v Speaker 1>they needed any extra support. Gamille had always been a quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>But perhaps if that psychiatrist had been able to see

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<v Speaker 1>into the future, they would have known just how off

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<v Speaker 1>the mark they'd been with emil uh In nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>Monique was finally done with her studies. She became the

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<v Speaker 1>director of nursing at Montreal Hospital, which is pretty cool, kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>and was able to buy a nice, middle class home

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<v Speaker 1>for her and her children to live in. But some

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<v Speaker 1>of the damage was already done. Gamille academically did well

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<v Speaker 1>in school, but he had a challenge with making friends.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have any friends. Instead, he seemed to struggle

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<v Speaker 1>They called him an Arab because of his name, which

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<v Speaker 1>may have also been because he had this hatred towards

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<v Speaker 1>him anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was after that that Gamille Garby became Mark Lapine,

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<v Speaker 1>a name that would become part of a Canadian history

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<v Speaker 1>in the worst of ways, his dark history.

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<v Speaker 2>His mom's maiden.

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<v Speaker 1>Name, right, Yeah, so he wanted to be more associated

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<v Speaker 1>with her. Fair enough, So yeah, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>from now on referring to him as Mark. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that, Mark changing his name didn't help

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<v Speaker 1>him get along better with the other children at school.

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<v Speaker 1>When he hit puberty, it hit hard and Mark unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>had to deal with a face full of acne, which

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<v Speaker 1>I can pretty much, very much so relate to because

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<v Speaker 1>sucked big time.

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<v Speaker 2>I never had like a face full of acne, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'd get like rather large individuals at times like I

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<v Speaker 2>have this one that's kept coming back in the bridge

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<v Speaker 2>of my nose and it's sud Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember my acne?

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<v Speaker 2>Just not really? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, cool, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people really look back at their childhood

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, hey, remember when you were in high

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<v Speaker 2>school and you had a bunch of zits?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but I actually had it so bad that

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<v Speaker 1>I had scarring for quite a while that I was

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<v Speaker 2>But I think like that acne is just like it

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<v Speaker 2>seems so much more detrimental as a young individual than

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<v Speaker 2>it is when you're older.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. Yeah. And this, of course, though, having

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<v Speaker 1>a faithful of acne, which is unfortunate, leads to more bullying,

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<v Speaker 1>right yeah, fair, And things were also still broken at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark and his sister didn't like each other, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>at all out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the normal sibling rivalries yup.

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<v Speaker 1>But it definitely added to what Mark already had going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Naudia publicly made fun of his acne and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Mark had never had a girlfriend. Mark, this is

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre to me, retaliated by digging and taunting Naudia with

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<v Speaker 1>a grave he'd made just for her. Whoa, which I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that is next level.

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<v Speaker 2>That is both a hilarious, be dark as fuck and

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<v Speaker 2>see very cynical. And I have a feeling to really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of foreshadow what kind of person you is.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I just I can't even imagine, like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like growing up, if my sister had done that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just I would think that she literally went

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<v Speaker 1>off the deep end.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to like do that to my

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<v Speaker 2>sisters now. It's like, my sister pisses me off. Next

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<v Speaker 2>just at like three in the morning, just call her

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<v Speaker 2>and she wakes up. What the fuck do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, look out your window. Oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just standing there with a grave Doug.

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<v Speaker 1>That is terrifying. That is terrifying. So obviously he threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to kill his sister, and Naudia was removed from the

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<v Speaker 1>home shortly after, but I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily removed because of Mark's threats, Like I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't help. Yeah, but she was also described as

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<v Speaker 1>troubled and was placed in a home for troubled teens.

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<v Speaker 1>She was still having issues with authority, but also picked

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<v Speaker 1>up a drug habit that unfortunately was something that's stuck

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<v Speaker 1>and later in life, at the age of twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>she would die from a cocaine overdose.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's super unfortunate. So Mark was left in the house

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<v Speaker 1>with his mother working long hours and his sister living elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So Monique enrolled Mark in a big brother program, where

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<v Speaker 1>Mark would spend two years with the same big brother,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who was later detained under suspicious suspicions of

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<v Speaker 1>molesting young boys. Oh, which I just hate because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like he had a terrible father. Now there's like the

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<v Speaker 1>potential for another male role model in his life and

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<v Speaker 1>this happens. Mark has alway always deny that anything had

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<v Speaker 1>happened between him and his big brother, but again, who

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<v Speaker 1>can know for sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully he's he's telling the truth and hopefully that is

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just so sick that someone puts themselves in that

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<v Speaker 1>position to I mean, being a big brother is like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a big deal, like the Big Brother's Big

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<v Speaker 1>Sister's program, right, and then and then to go to

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<v Speaker 1>be in that program for that like, oh, that is

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<v Speaker 1>just so disturbing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's about as nasty as you get. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you think that this person has a good heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and then yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>When Mark was seventeen, he tried to join the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>forces but was rejected after his interview. His rejection letter

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<v Speaker 1>stated that he'd been determined to be unsuitable, but Mark

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<v Speaker 1>later went into more detail with a friend. Apparently Mark

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<v Speaker 1>also had an issue with authority, and the interviewers had

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<v Speaker 1>also found him to be anti social.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that was the end of that career, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could call it. But Mark got it together

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<v Speaker 1>and started off on another track. He took pre university

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<v Speaker 1>courses and got a job at the hospital that his

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<v Speaker 1>His colleagues found him to be a bit immature, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and hyperactive. He always seemed to be on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>and had a nervous energy about him, and that became

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<v Speaker 1>even more so whenever he was around women. He apparently

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<v Speaker 1>got very shy and awkward around them and didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>seem to know how to talk to them. He either

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<v Speaker 1>said nothing to them at all, which is pretty awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>or more awkwardly, he totally overcompensated and started talking too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm literally picturing Raj from The Big Bang Theory, where

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<v Speaker 2>he just could not talk to women unless he was drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>and then even then he just like was way too

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<v Speaker 2>much all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. Actually a way of

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking about it. So start telling them about how

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<v Speaker 1>great he was and everything he accomplished his life and

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<v Speaker 1>drunk let them get a word in edgewise. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>still sound like him?

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds more like me. I have some drinks in me. Hey, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm amazing. You want to hear all the stories about

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you not having been drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just confident person. There's nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't tell everyone how great I am when I'm sober,

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<v Speaker 2>only when I'm drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell me all the time. On gree you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's different.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark then switched degrees and started doing a technical education

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<v Speaker 1>in electronics technology. He did great in his classes until

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<v Speaker 1>the final term of his program, when he suddenly stopped

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<v Speaker 1>showing up and ended up dropping out. He then moved

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<v Speaker 1>out on his own and got his own apartment. Applying

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<v Speaker 1>to study engineering at a Cole polytechnique, he was admitted

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<v Speaker 1>on the condition that he took two extra classes to

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<v Speaker 1>make up for some of the courses he was missing,

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<v Speaker 1>which didn't sit well with him. Things continued to not

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<v Speaker 1>go in his favor. Fast forward one year, Mark would

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<v Speaker 1>get fired from his job at the hospital for disrespecting

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<v Speaker 1>his supervisors and aggressive behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he did say he didn't really like authorities or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more so his sister. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>he also had issues with that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you said when he was like rejected from the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian forces. Yeah, that was something that they said. It

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<v Speaker 2>came to light he didn't like authorities or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as like along with his sister kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it was more his sister that struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with that. But I mean just probably based on like

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<v Speaker 1>the father they had. Yeah, that may have come from

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<v Speaker 1>that type most likely. Yeah, Mark was furious and was

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<v Speaker 1>going down a dark path. He later told people that

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<v Speaker 1>he was so angry that he was going to commit

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<v Speaker 1>a murder suicide inside the hospital hospital, but everyone just

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<v Speaker 1>took it as him kind of like blowing off steam.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't follow through on his plot, but those who

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<v Speaker 1>knew him said that Mark became incredibly unpredictable after he

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<v Speaker 1>was fired, and would often fly into fits of rage

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<v Speaker 2>Was something, Wow, he's showing some some signs say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's derailing. Yeah big time. So by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty nine, Mark was jobless, had failed every

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<v Speaker 1>education he'd set out to get, not necessarily like failed,

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<v Speaker 1>but he quit right, which I guess is that failing?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know? And he was angry, which brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to December sixth, nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no. You always know it's bad when a certain

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<v Speaker 2>date and or time is mentioned. When it's like, oh,

427
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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about this person's life and then here's a

428
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<v Speaker 2>very specific date. You know something is going down.

429
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<v Speaker 1>And my next line a little after four pm.

430
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<v Speaker 2>See there he go, Oh, well, like shit.

431
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<v Speaker 1>So a little after four pm Mark entered a cool

432
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<v Speaker 1>polytechnique campus. He sat in the office of the registrar,

433
00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>rummaging through a plastic bag and ignoring everyone, even the

434
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>staff member who came to ask if he needed any

435
00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>help with anything, because like, why the fuck was he

436
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 1>just sitting there right? But Mark? Mark was getting ready.

437
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>In the bag was a Ruger Minnie fourteen rifle, rounds

438
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>of ammunition, and a hunting knife. Jeez, he'd bought all

439
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:31.799
<v Speaker 1>of his supplies only a month before, saying that he

440
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>planned on hunting small game, but that was anything but

441
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 1>the truth. He then left the registrar's office and started

442
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.400
<v Speaker 1>walking around the building until he entered a mechanical engineering

443
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 1>classroom that had about sixty students in it. One student

444
00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.559
<v Speaker 1>was in the was up front giving a presentation, and

445
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Mark calmly walked up to join them. He stopped the presentation,

446
00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>pulled out his gun, and started giving out orders. He

447
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.759
<v Speaker 1>told all the men to line up on one side

448
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of the room and all the women on the other.

449
00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Everyone initially thought it was some kind of joke because

450
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.640
<v Speaker 1>it was actually the last day of classes before exam started,

451
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>so they're just thinking like someone's just doing a prank. Yeah,

452
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 1>so no one actually listened until Mark got them to

453
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 1>listen by firing a warning shot into the ceiling. Out

454
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<v Speaker 1>of about sixty students, only nine of them were women,

455
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.839
<v Speaker 1>and Mark ordered them to wait on one side of

456
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<v Speaker 1>the room while he told the men to get out

457
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>of the room. When he had them alone, Mark turned

458
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<v Speaker 1>to the women and simply asked them if they knew

459
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<v Speaker 1>why they were there. The women didn't answer, but one

460
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.599
<v Speaker 1>of them asked Mark who he was Instead of answering,

461
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Mark told the women that he was fighting feminism. The

462
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.640
<v Speaker 1>women were shocked and confused and I'm sure also terrified

463
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.519
<v Speaker 1>out of their minds, but one woman actually woke up.

464
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Natalie Provost tried to calm the situation by telling Mark

465
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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't holding feminists at gunpoint. She told him

466
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that they were just women studying engineering, not feminists, but

467
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Mark disagreed with this. He opened fire, shouting you're all

468
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>feminists as she as he shot at the defenseless women

469
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 1>in front of him. He hit all nine, killing six

470
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and wounding the other three. He killed Helene Colgan, Natalie Crattea,

471
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<v Speaker 1>and Annie Saint Marinault, who were all twenty three years

472
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of age. Barbara Dignault and Anne Marie LeMay were both

473
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<v Speaker 1>twenty two years old, and Sonia Pelletier twenty eight years old.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so this guy's a right dick?

475
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah? More so? Wow, Like it's just unfathomable to me.

476
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>To just be like, no, you are this and I

477
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>am fighting that kind of self righteous pricked do you

478
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 2>think you are? Like? Holy fuck?

479
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Like it's so disgusting. So as the women were left

480
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 1>wounded and dying on the classroom floor, Mark started walking around.

481
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>He wrote the word shit twice on one of the

482
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 1>students' projects before leaving the classroom and heading down the hall.

483
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>As he wandered through the halls, he wounded three more

484
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>students on his way to another classroom, where he burst

485
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.559
<v Speaker 1>through the door and held his gun up to another woman.

486
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 1>He pulled the trigger, but his gun didn't go off.

487
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>He pulled it again and the same thing happened, so

488
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 1>he actually left this classroom to reload. Once that was done,

489
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>he tried to get back into it, but by then

490
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the students had locked him out. He fired three shots

491
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>at the lock, but he couldn't break through, so he

492
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 1>moved on. Whoever he was aiming to I feel like

493
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:58.319
<v Speaker 1>has like wow, like a believable Guardian Angel or something.

494
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 2>Hey, wow, no kidding For that gun to jam like that.

495
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 1>What did a jam? Or was he just out?

496
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 2>It probably would have jammed by the sound of it, Yeah,

497
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>because I mean he would have known if he was out.

498
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm not one, but still like, honestly very

499
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like Guardian Angel. But also the trauma that would still

500
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 1>be associated with having a guy.

501
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Draw the PTSD from that would be real, especially considering.

502
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, many people would probably question like why was

503
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I the one to live?

504
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

505
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Like what why did these people die? But I get

506
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 2>to live, Not to say that it's anyone's fault, Like

507
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>you should not be sitting here questioning why was I

508
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the one to get to live? But some people, like

509
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 2>in a PTSD moment, will start thinking that way and

510
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's terrible.

511
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, oh my goodness, Like this whole scene is

512
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 1>just it gives me goosebumps and it makes me ill

513
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>to my stomach.

514
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't blame you for that, huh.

515
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 1>So we headed into the school's financial services all office,

516
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>where he found Maurice Leganeer, a twenty three year old

517
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>budget clerk, so she wasn't a student but yet an employee.

518
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>She had heard the shots and saw what was happening,

519
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 1>so she locked the door to try to keep Mark out. Unfortunately,

520
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>though the door she just locked had a window, so

521
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Mark was able to aim and shoot her through it.

522
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Fun Maurice was a newlywed she was married for three

523
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>months before her death, and her husband Jeff, had come

524
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to pick her up at the school that night and

525
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>was met with the chaos. Apparently, there's like it's seen

526
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>on a news footage or whatever. Him like searching the

527
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>crowd or like searching the people that are coming out

528
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>in stretchers.

529
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And oh, man, that is absolutely.

530
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I know. I know. I didn't write that in here.

531
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like maybe I won't say it, but came out

532
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>because it's just yeah, I like, yeah, to be in

533
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that situation. Hey wow. Mark then moved to the cafeteria

534
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>where about one hundred students and staff were gathered.

535
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck, this guy. Holy, I'm sorry, this guy he

536
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>makes me mad.

537
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, very much.

538
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>So.

539
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think his favorite word is shit.

540
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Well he's a piece of shit.

541
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

542
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Without saying a word, Mark lifted his gun and shot

543
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 1>nursing student Barbara Klusnik and wounded another before people realized

544
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck was happening and all hell broke loose.

545
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Barbara was the oldest of the victims at thirty one

546
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>years old, and her story sucks. Her and her husband

547
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>had moved to Montreal from Poland in nineteen eighty seven,

548
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and they believed that Canada to be like the safest

549
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>place in the world, so they chose they chose it.

550
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 1>And she wasn't an engineering student. She was a nursing student,

551
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 1>like I said, but apparently her and her husband were

552
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>in the cafeteria cafeteria because it was like the least

553
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.119
<v Speaker 1>expensive on campus or something.

554
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Male.

555
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, which I just I hate shit like that.

556
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 2>That breaks my heart.

557
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it never really said, but I do think

558
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that her husband was like with her there like it

559
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>from and no one. It never really said it in

560
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the reports, but you can kind of tell. So I

561
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>can't like to be there witnessing that. Like Geez, people

562
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.559
<v Speaker 1>either fled the room or tried to find somewhere to hide.

563
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Two of the women who stayed were twenty one year

564
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>old students, and Marie Edward, who was a chemical engineering student,

565
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 1>and Genevieve Bergeron, a civil engineering student. They were hiding

566
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>along with two other students, one male and one female,

567
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 1>but Mark saw them first. He shot and killed both Anne, Marie,

568
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and Genevieve before ordering the other two students to come

569
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>out from under the table. They listened, and for whatever reason,

570
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Mark decided to let them live before he moved on.

571
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 1>He then headed to the third floor, where he shot

572
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and wounded one female and two more male students before

573
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 1>he entered yet another classroom. As he entered the classroom,

574
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>He told the men to get out as he turned

575
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to Maurice Leclair, who was at the front of the

576
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>class giving a presentation without his tentation, He shot her,

577
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>wounding her before moving on to the students sitting in

578
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the front row. He shot and killed twenty nine year

579
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 1>old Maud Havnik and twenty one year old Michel Richard

580
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>as they desperately tried to flee the room, with others

581
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>hiding under their desks. Mark moved through the classroom, targeting

582
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the female students. He wounded three more and then killed

583
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty one year old Annie Turcotte. He then reloaded and

584
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>headed to the front of the class, shooting in any

585
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>direction he felt like. When he got there, Maurice, who

586
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>he wounded just earlier, was still alive and asking for help.

587
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 1>So Mark pulled out his hunting knife and stabbed her

588
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>three times, killing his last victim. Wow she was twenty

589
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>three years old.

590
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, Not only is this dude like absolutely blatantly sexist,

591
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>but oh, I don't even know how to put into

592
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>words the lack of remorse he has for human life

593
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>boggles my mind. Yeah, someone's pleading for help and instead

594
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of even I'm just playing devil's advocate here because he

595
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>has a gun in his hand, just ending their life

596
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>with a bullet to the head, he decides he wants

597
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to revel in stabbing her to death to finish the job.

598
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.319
<v Speaker 2>That right there speaks so much about what kind of

599
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 2>person this guy is. We can go off and say

600
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>how much of a dirt bag and piece of shit

601
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>this guy is, but that right there says so much.

602
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Yep, And the thing is too, like it was reported

603
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 1>that he was so calm and stuff through all of

604
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 1>this process, right like this wasn't phazing him, which is

605
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 1>just bizarre. Like, oh my gosh. Now the really shitty

606
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>thing though about Maurice here. She would later be found

607
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>by her father, who was part of the Montoural Police Force.

608
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

609
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>He immediately recognized her sweater, which she had worn to

610
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Sunday dinner the week before, saying she had purchased it

611
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>for Christmas.

612
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Yeah, everything about this just keeps tugging at

613
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the heartstrings.

614
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, I know it is so disturbing, Like.

615
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I just like, look at my sweater, dad, I bought

616
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh don't I bought this for Christmas this year? Dad?

617
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Like what do you think it's Sunday dinner? Yeah, and

618
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>then because of like, holy shit, scene that's painted in

619
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>my head with that.

620
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh okay, I feel like I'm just gonna sob here.

621
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 1>So Mark then took off his hat, wrapped his coat

622
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 1>around his gun, and shout it, oh shit, before he

623
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>shot himself in the head. His rampage had lasted only

624
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes from start to finish, leaving fourteen people injured,

625
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>ten being women and four men, and another fourteen women dead.

626
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Holy twenty eight people.

627
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>That's wild.

628
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's not even to mention all the people that

629
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>are affected, not necessarily with an injury, but with like

630
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:55.199
<v Speaker 1>the pgs.

631
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>And stuff that we're we're talking about.

632
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. It became known as the Montreal massacre and

633
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 1>sent shockwaves through Quebec, the rest of Canada, and I'm

634
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 1>sure the world understandably.

635
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sitting here shook right now from just hearing it. Yeah,

636
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and this is how many years later yeah ah wow.

637
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So in the days and weeks that followed, there was

638
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>widespread public debate focused on the cause of and motive

639
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>for the attack. Some people felt the actions of this

640
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>shooter was an isolated incident with any without any social significance,

641
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 1>emphasizing the shooter's abuse as a child. For others, it

642
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>revealed a profound angst against the place of women in society.

643
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Many suggested that the tragedy was indicative of people not

644
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>supporting quality for women.

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00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, I certainly think that there's probably something regarding his

646
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.599
<v Speaker 2>childhood at play. You can't sit here and tell me

647
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't have any factor.

648
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, with many of our cases, there's always, yeah,

649
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff from the.

650
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Past, whether it's like a point zero one percent factor

651
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 2>in it or like one hundred percent factor. I don't

652
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 2>that's completely up debate.

653
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course, his dad hated women, Yeah, I know, But.

654
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's what I mean is we don't know

655
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Speaker 2>how much it played into factor. But he is also

656
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>how old was he when he left his family left

657
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:20.760
<v Speaker 2>his dad too? Right?

658
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, I think he was a bit older than that.

659
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>But how old was he?

660
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, gosh, it happen? Was he back?

661
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Was he a teenager at the point? No? Yeah, exactly.

662
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>He was under ten for sure.

663
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 2>So he probably would have been naive enough and like

664
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.480
<v Speaker 2>his mom would have raised him much better than what

665
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 2>his father was. Clearly, so I don't think it would

666
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.880
<v Speaker 2>have had as like a huge impact. I think it

667
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>would have had an impact. But I think not only

668
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 2>was it his father impacting him, but I think there

669
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 2>was a lot to do with who he was. Yeah,

670
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense.

671
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then I also feel like, I mean, he

672
00:36:56.360 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 1>had issues with against feminists or whatever want to say,

673
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean like that everyone as a whole

674
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>did right necessarily. But I know back in the day,

675
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 1>like they're really, there was still issues. There still is

676
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 1>today with equality, right.

677
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's true.

678
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>As people desperately tried to piece together the reason behind

679
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Mark's madness that day, some answers were found in a

680
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>suicide letter that was later found I was going to

681
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>read it, but then I decided, like, fuck him, Like

682
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not reading his fucking letter on here. I just

683
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>couldn't do.

684
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>It fair enough. You don't want to perpetuate these words.

685
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 1>I had it written in here, and I was just like, no,

686
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't feel right, So I'm just going to summarize it.

687
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Power on you for that.

688
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, yeah, because like, fuck him. He quoted his

689
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 1>rejection from the military and claimed that feminists had ruined

690
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 1>his life. He said that women were flooding the job market,

691
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>making it harder for men like himself to find a job,

692
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 1>and they were trying to have all the advantages of

693
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 1>being a man and a woman a.

694
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Woman, okay, Yeah.

695
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>With the letter was a list though, was set with

696
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen names, nineteen women who he said would have been

697
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>killed had he not run out of time and started earlier.

698
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 1>It included the names of well known Quebec women, including

699
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>a journalist, union leader, politician, TV personality, and six police officers,

700
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.760
<v Speaker 1>making it very clear marx motive for the attack. Obviously,

701
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we already know yet.

702
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 2>This is honestly akin to a child throwing a hissy

703
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>fit not doing his way.

704
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had an issue with basically that he couldn't

705
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>get into that engineering school. But it was literally the

706
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>issue was that he just needed two other courses. That's

707
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 1>just a known thing that sometimes you have to have,

708
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>like university. I can't remember what they're call it, but

709
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.039
<v Speaker 1>pre RECs or something, yeah, prerequisites yeah, to get in. Right,

710
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>had he done those two courses, he would have fucking

711
00:38:59.480 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>got in.

712
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Had he done his work like the women, yeah

713
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>who did their work and got in, he would have

714
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 2>been right there with it.

715
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 1>But he thought that those women were taking his place. No,

716
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>but no, dude, it was just that you need to

717
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 1>get your fucking shit together.

718
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Those women were doing far better than he was, and

719
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>he was pissed off about it. Yeah, that's what it is.

720
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>He was throwing a hissy fit because he was not

721
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>as good at them as them.

722
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>They were far better.

723
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he had some fucking complex where he figured

724
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 2>that they should just be lower than him, no matter what,

725
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 2>because he's a piece of shit.

726
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The incident led to more strict gun control laws

727
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>in Canada and increased action to end violence against women.

728
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 1>It also resulted in changes in emergency or services protocols

729
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and shootings, because I mean, I don't know if they

730
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>had dealt with a lot of this, So there were

731
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>like a few issues where people kind of thought the

732
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>police should enter far quicker than they did. So I'm

733
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and it did. They changed protocols, and I know in

734
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 1>future shootings it was helpful. And then the reason why

735
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I did this case is because tomorrow marks the thirty

736
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>fourth anniversary of the attack. Oh really, December sixth is

737
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 1>a recognized day of remembrance in Canada, declared to be

738
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence against Women.

739
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of this day, see, and I think,

740
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure probably in passing saw it on

741
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the news.

742
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>The reasoning I have is because I used to work

743
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 1>at a university, right, and then I know every day,

744
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 1>like December sixth, there would be some sort of ceremony

745
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.920
<v Speaker 1>if you call it. And the other thing is lots

746
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>of times men and women I think too, can wear

747
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a white ribbon and it's just sort of okay, it

748
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 1>can also be a white ribbon day or whatever, and

749
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.119
<v Speaker 1>it's just kind of like they're they're, you know, standing

750
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 1>against violence against women as well.

751
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha. Yeah. See, I've worked in a dominantly male dominated

752
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>environment and a sawmill for the last sixteen years, so

753
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 2>I rarely even had female coworkers. So yeah, it's not

754
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>something we really talked about, I guess.

755
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I know it does seem I think the

756
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>only reason I really know about it is from working

757
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.159
<v Speaker 1>on a university and we recognized it.

758
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>So glad to know about it now, though, Like I.

759
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, like that is it's just researching that is

760
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:33.639
<v Speaker 1>just gut wrenching, because I mean it was quite a

761
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>while ago, but it still happens constantly, the shootings and

762
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff in schools or like religious places, and yeah, I

763
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just it's so hard to even fathom that we have

764
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing happening.

765
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's well, and how often these shootings occur too, Yeah, yeah,

766
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it blows my mind. And it's so sad, so sad. Yeah,

767
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 2>even if you look like if you scroll on TikTok

768
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>or Instagram, I bet you you're gonna within the hour

769
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>run into a reel on like school safety with shootings.

770
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>H Like, I've seen videos on how to lock a

771
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>door with a chair and like what to do in

772
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the event of and backpacks that are made of kevlar

773
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and shit like just to protect you from running away.

774
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I can't believe kids have to worry about this, I.

775
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Know, and I don't necessarily think when we were in

776
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>school that we had any sort of drills like that.

777
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 1>It was always like earthquake, which we never get earthquakes

778
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and Prince George really they're very minor, so it's a

779
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>bit odd.

780
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, i mean, I'm sure we one day made.

781
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 1>But I'm wondering now in schools if that's changed, and

782
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they're they're also prepared for like much worse things happening potentially.

783
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine they are.

784
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, one of them, I was just gonna say,

785
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you just look just drained.

786
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I am dreamed. That dreamed me big time.

787
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you look like you need to go to bed.

788
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Usually I'm ready and prepared with a heavy episode like

789
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>this because I'm drinking with already. You didn't warn me,

790
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't have a whiskey, So now I'm screwed

791
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 2>and I mean to pour a whiskey after this.

792
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, two more things I'll just say they're not in

793
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>my notes, but one of the links below lists it

794
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 1>has like a picture of each of the fourteen people

795
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that were fourteen women that were killed, and then you

796
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 1>can click on their picture and like learn a little

797
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>bit more about them. And there were other victims though too,

798
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>because of course there were students later that had killed

799
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 1>them or committed suicide. I think a father had committed suicide.

800
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, So, I mean we talked about the day

801
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and the victims from the day, but there are just

802
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>so many more afterwards.

803
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the chain of the events goes a lot farther.

804
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>He affected so many more people's lives. I can only

805
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>imagine how many.

806
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow. Well, I mean, look at how many people

807
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>lost children that day, lost spouses.

808
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, you literally have the primary victims who lost their life,

809
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 2>then you have those injured, Then you have those who

810
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:08.280
<v Speaker 2>were around them witnesses, and then you have first responders,

811
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and you have the family, and you have even the

812
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 2>news people who were there taking photos or the cameraman

813
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>who was seeing these body after body come out of

814
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>this school, or someone who was like I was attending

815
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that school next semester and I like that could have

816
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>been me, yeah, or someone who lives just down the street,

817
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.760
<v Speaker 2>or someone who just worked with this guy, or the

818
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>dude who even sold them the gun.

819
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like the list goes on. There was actually one.

820
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>There was a photo too. It was just like unbelievable.

821
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I won't be posting it, but it was this photo

822
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that a reporter I think, like got lifted up and

823
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>like shot into the cafeteria and was like award winning

824
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>photo because there is a woman who was killed slumped

825
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>in a chair and then like an a taking down

826
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a Christmas decoration behind her. Oh wow, And so the

827
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 1>loved ones like this got published and stuff. So the

828
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:16.519
<v Speaker 1>loved ones saw this, which is just oh my gosh.

829
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>That is quite the image.

830
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Holy yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's just so

831
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>uncomfor It's so uncomfortable. Some of these cases are so uncomfortable.

832
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 2>They truly are. And I can't imagine getting in the

833
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>mind of some of the people who commit these crimes. Yeah,

834
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 2>it baffles me what drives them to really go this

835
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>far because for me, I'm like, I don't know, I

836
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.079
<v Speaker 2>feel bad if I accidentally step on my dog's paw

837
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I'm so sorry, I'm the worst person

838
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 2>in the world. And then it's like someone just can

839
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>so coldly take people's lives, like what the fuck?

840
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean these were all like beautiful and tell

841
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>legend a lot of them were just about to graduate,

842
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.679
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, you know, starting.

843
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 2>The lives they could have led.

844
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. When everyone talked about that, jeez.

845
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Well, good job on the episode in the research, babe.

846
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>That was that was that was heavy.

847
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>It was It's a it's a heavy one for sure,

848
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah.

849
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<v Speaker 2>Well, we just want to thank you guys for sticking

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<v Speaker 2>through this, thank you for being here, thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to check out any of our links,

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<v Speaker 2>they are in the description of this podcast, like our

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube with We have the vlog miss going on our Instagram, Facebook, Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all down there. Feel free to check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're just here not checking those out, that's

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<v Speaker 2>cool too. We seriously appreciate you. You guys are absolutely wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>That's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, until next Tuesday, stay wicked,