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the ground.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing near from me all storm breajas.

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Speaker 3: It is not a thing that they could try to

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see just well. The will to change the chas this

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last yeah, we'll always give me some nether landcations that

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them say yeah and decide honestly.

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Speaker 4: Side nother one not you can know, take.

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Speaker 5: You mine chance up day. It's not dead and some

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model never comes. At least the stands up to that

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hid the man John fasts not even though I said,

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can see the one never'll fix you up.

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Speaker 2: And tom never comes the least the stands out tonight.

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Speaker 4: I don't know God it him?

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Speaker 6: Uh say can I say something?

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Speaker 2: Thats ft out its model? Another jobs the mister.

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Speaker 5: Stay up out tonight.

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Speaker 2: Way you know bests not any us even one get

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you up in your model.

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Speaker 5: Another times the must to.

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Speaker 6: Stay out out to dins as.

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Speaker 5: The dots the kiss last, the stays stay ste.

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Speaker 7: That's ass the story.

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Speaker 8: I love it.

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Speaker 9: That is not giving up. The band is the Forensics,

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and the Forensics is our featured artist in this hour

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we're going to speak with. At least we got one

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of the guys I think on with us via Microsoft

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teams and we're gonna speak with them in just a moment.

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But welcome everybody. This is our number three New Marrow

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trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed. If you are listening live

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on Saturday today is December sixth, twenty twenty five. We

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are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five

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point three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course,

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you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt

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connorton dot com slash live for all your live streaming options,

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social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, at

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et cetera. And let's see. I think we've got Jordan

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King from the band on the line with us.

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Speaker 10: Hello, yes, hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely welcome. I love that song and as I think

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you know too, the first single we had played from

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you guys was Maxine and I love that one too.

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We had that one in kind of heavy rotation around

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here for a while, but but I love this track,

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not giving Up. It's really good. When did this come out?

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Speaker 10: This has only really been out a week, I believe,

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so not too long at all.

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Speaker 9: Very new. Yeah's depressed outstanding now Jordan, Is it just you?

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Rs anybody with you?

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Speaker 10: It's just myself today, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know

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what the rest of the guys are doing.

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Speaker 9: That's all right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes we get

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you know, a bunch of people on teams and it's, uh,

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it becomes confusing. So we're happy to have you. Now,

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what do you do in the band?

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Speaker 10: So I'm the lead guitarist. Okay, So all the little

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riffs and stuff you heard in that track was cut myself.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, excellent.

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Speaker 9: What I want to ask you too about is there's

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a surprise in that song because when you listen to it,

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you don't really expect, especially you know, hearing your other songs,

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when that saxophone comes in, you don't see that coming,

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or perhaps I should say, you don't hear that coming.

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But it fits a song perfectly. I mean, it works

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really well. But it's a surprise the first time you

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listen to the song. Do one of you guys in

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the band play the sacks or did you bring in

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somebody outside to do that, or how did that come about.

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Speaker 10: I'm glad that you say it was a surprise. That

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was kind of the idea. So none of us play saxophone.

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The where that came from. It was an idea for myself.

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lead guitar part down for the breakdown at the end

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of the track, and I just thought it was missing something.

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And I've always liked, you know, brass instruments, et cetera.

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One of my favorite pieces of music is Baker Street.

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I love the sax on that piece of music. Yes,

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you know, I wonder if a sax would fit in here.

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is a great example too of where you can do

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that really effectively. But when you do that, so what

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happens when you do that song live? Or have you

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played that song live?

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year now. I think obviously as a small band, it's

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difficult to get someone on board that plays saxophone, so

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we play it slightly different live. It's a lot heavier live,

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more guitar driven. Obviously, the am eventually would be to

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that'd be pretty cool, but we can't do that at

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Speaker 9: At the same time, though, it must be kind of

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fun too to play it a different way live, just

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because it you know, I would guess it kind of

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keeps it fresh for you guys, right, you know, you're

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kind of it gives you some room to kind of

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experiment and only, like you said, maybe make it a

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little heavier live, you know, probably goes over well, I would.

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Speaker 10: Imagine, definitely. Yeah, that's the way we try to play

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live all the time. It keeps it fresh and exciting.

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tracks or One thing that we do often is we

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merge songs together. So we've got two new singles coming

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out next year, and when we play them live, they

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fade into each other live, which is quite cool. So yeah,

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we enjoy doing stuff like that when we perform.

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Speaker 9: Oh, excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 8: How long have you guys?

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Speaker 9: I mean it's it's been it's been a few years, right,

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Like we we've just been getting to know you. I

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think May was when you were on before and is

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that around when Maxine came out? Because I love that

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song too, that's such a great track.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that came out first half of this year.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, okay, but have you guys been around since

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what twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, or.

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Speaker 10: Man, time flies, doesn't it? Yeah that sounds about right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So we formed originally me and my friend who's no

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longer with the band, so he was our first bassist.

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wanted to be in a band, and that's kind of

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how it came about. So me and him started writing

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some things. Then Liam, the lead singer joined. He'd played

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in a band previously with our drummer, so that kind

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of pulled things together. And yeah, it must have been

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nearly four years now, which is frightening.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, the time does go quickly. Have you guys

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playing live. Have you guys been doing a lot of shows?

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Speaker 10: We usually gig quite a lot, although the back end

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of this year we've taken the foot off the gas

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a little bit and focused more on studio things. We

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want to get a few new tracks out next year

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after not giving up. That's just come out of course,

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and we're putting a big push on social media I

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think at the moment as well, to try and grow

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a bit of a stronger online presence. So we do

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have two shows like for the start of next year. Well,

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a lot of focus on studio stuff at the moment

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and social media.

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Speaker 9: Where do you guys record? You know, I always like to, uh,

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background myself, so I'm a little bit of a nerd

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for this kind of stuff. But I'm just curious because

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there's so many different ways to record now. You know,

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when I was growing I'm old enough to remember when

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basically your option was you you go to a studio

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or you know, you could maybe by yourself a little

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task scam recorder and make four track recordings at home

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and that was about it. But because it's obvious in

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listening to your music and talking with you that that

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sonically it's very important to get this right. You're you're

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you're clearly, you're every everything is very everything just sounds

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like you can you can just tell. You can tell

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by listening to your songs that you put a lot

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into not only the writing of the songs, but the

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recording of them, so you it certainly doesn't sound like

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a situation where you're just going to a studio for

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a day and spending a couple of hours and banging

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these out. I assume a lot goes into them. I

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don't know if you have a producer that you work

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with or tell me about the recording process.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, yeah, And we love going in the studio.

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It's the favorite thing for all members of the band.

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I think they'd all agree of going into the studio.

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And you're completely right, it's not a case of going

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in and banging these out in a couple of hours.

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A lot of work goes into it. I think to

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give you an insight as to how we operate as

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a band, and this is very similar across bands of

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our size. Studio hire is very expensive for alongside hiring

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a producer as well, so a lot of the work

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actually comes pre studio. We do a lot of work

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in practice rooms beforehand. We'll kind of do our own

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mixes on our own software first. That's where a lot

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of the experiment experimental things come into play. Then we

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can go into this studio get the basic layer of

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the track down and then that gives us a lot

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of time to play around with other things and different

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sounds that you can't produce on your own outside of

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that studio environment. So that's the way that we tend

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to do it. So we probably get a track down,

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as you said, you bang it out in a few hours.

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it gives us that freedom of expression, if you will,

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in the studio to try different things and maybe get

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different instruments in there, like the sax idea for example.

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a lot of legwork beforehand, into the studio, get the

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track down, and then we can I don't think mess

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around is the right phrase. Yeah, sometimes it feels.

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Speaker 9: Like it, you know.

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Speaker 10: So that's how we tend to go about it. I

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think we recording a place called the Grand in Clytherill,

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which actually has a huge stage attached to it, which

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is awesome. We've played that live which was really cool. Yeah,

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it's a quite cool venue. Actually it's in a place

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called Clitherow, which I appreciate. You got to state size.

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Speaker 9: Far away, not bad, No, And it's great that you

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go there prepared. You know, you can save a lot

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of time and money if you're well prepared going to

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the studio. Yeah, it's cool too that it's got a

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venue there as well. I don't know why. I mean,

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there's definitely examples here of places like that, but I

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can't think of any off the top of my head

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where you know, there's a recording studio and there's a

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stage and they you know, and it kind of works

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as both a studio and a venue. It's such a

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it's such a great concept and it seems so obvious,

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but it's probably a lot to do correctly. But I wish, like,

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like I said, I know this place is like that

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here too. I just can't think of many. I can't

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think of any off the top of my head. But

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have you been have you always worked like from the

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beginning of this project, has it always been the same studio?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 10: So we recorded a different studio once and this was

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about it. One studio was particularly cool because the studio

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and the first floor had a bar, so it was great.

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finished my guitar part, so I don't have to sit

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and du vocals, I can slip away and grab myself

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a beer and then come back in a few hours

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time and see what they've cracked on with, which was

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quite a cool setup. So right, I liked that place,

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so it was cool.

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Speaker 9: Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 8: That's well.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure I've asked you this before. I think the

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last time you were on. I'm pretty sure I asked,

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but I don't remember what the answer was. And you know,

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Speaker 10: Yet.

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Speaker 9: Where does the name come from the forensics.

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Speaker 10: That's a really good question. I'm actually not undred percential myself.

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I'm completely honest with you. We've had that name for

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a good number of years. I think we just who

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I think it might have been Liam's idea, and obviously

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he's not with us today, so I actually don't know

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where it came from. Obviously, forensics has that tie into

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police work and that kind of stuff, but we've never

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we released Maxine, some of our artwork was was in

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forensic suits and we have played we have played live

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in forensic suits as well, which is quite cool. But

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by gosh, did they get warm halfway through a show?

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Really likes pointing at you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I can imagine.

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Speaker 10: But as far as the name goes, I don't know

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where it came from. But when someone pitched the idea

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forensics to me, I just thought, yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,

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that's quite cool as well. So where it comes from,

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I have no idea, but I quite like it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No, it's excellent. Is that the name that the

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band had right from the beginning.

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Speaker 10: So we were originally called Riley James and the Summer

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Tones because Liam was a solo artist before he joined

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the band, so we played a lot of his solo

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stuff as a band when we initially came together, so

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it was called Riley James. That was his single stuff,

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and the Summer Tones was the idea for the rest

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of the band. But eventually I think we all came

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together and thought, no, we want to write music as

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a band, and if we're going to do that, you know,

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we need to have a defined name, and so we

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decided on the Forensics.

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Speaker 9: Was that challenging at all for Liam? I mean, not

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that you want to speak for him, I'm sure, but

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I'm just curious because that's obviously an adjustment.

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Speaker 10: For him, right, I think it was and adjustment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I don't think he struggled with it. I think it

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was a conversation that happened over a good number of weeks.

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on which way we wanted to take the band. I

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think looking back now over the years, it was certainly

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the right decision, and I think we've got a really

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unique sound now as a band. It's interesting to watch

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how we progress from what you could define as quite

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light indie pop to almost rocky in a sense, which

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is quite a cool development. Yeah, and I don't think

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that would have happened if it was driven by one individual.

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I think that's because as a group we have very

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unique and individual inspirations, which when you put them all together,

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is quite a good recipe.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so yeah, so not giving up

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is really new. And then what's kind of the do

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you know when the next single is going to be

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or what's kind of the forward? Tragic as far as

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because I assume, I mean, it strikes me that you

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guys probably have a lot of ideas in the band.

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I mean you're probably always writing, I would guess.

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Speaker 10: Always writing. Yeah, many many songs. If we jumped into

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the studio tomorrow and had unlimited time. I think we

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have about ten tracks right now that we could record.

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which is it keeps it fresh as well, because you

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can rotate songs in and out, so you never get

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bored of the tracks you're playing with. Regards to future plans,

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unconfirmed as to when we're going to release them, but

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we are in the studio in two weeks time to

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finish off three tracks that we got down a few

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months ago. Oh so we went went to the studio

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a few months back, got three quarters of them done,

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I would say. So we're going back in two weeks

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to get vocals and lead guitar finished, which I'm excited for.

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When the will come out, I'm not too sure, but

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there's three singles that within two weeks time should be

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pretty close to to mastard and ready for release.

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Speaker 9: Oh fantastic, Yeah, no, I can't can't wait to hear them. Man,

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you know, we we'd love to continue to be sort

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of your your conduit here into the American radio market

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because we love what you're doing. I remember the response

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that we got when we played Maxine for the first time,

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and we you know, we heard a lot of positive

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response on that here. It's such a great song, gets

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really gets stuck in your head. You know, it's so good,

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so so absolutely love it. And then so are you

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are you do you have live shows like this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Or no, not this weekend. So we're not doing any

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live shows now until next year. Okay, So I think

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our first show is April. I think the main focus

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is get in the studio, get these tracks finished, and

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then figure out a release schedule for them, you know,

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understanding what we want to do for social media promotion

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and vinyl pressing and that kind of stuff, So I

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think that'll be our main focus for the next few months.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely absolutely well Jordan,

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you know, we appreciate you joining us, love the new track,

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not giving up and in a moment, well, like I said,

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we'll end the conversation with Maxine, another great song. Where's

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the best place for people to go online to keep

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up with everything that the Forensics is doing?

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Speaker 10: So the best place to find us for understanding a

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bit more about us on a personal level is definitely TikTok.

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So that's just at Forensics Band. Find us on TikTok.

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We post on their very regularly once a day probably.

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If you want more official updates, gigs, single releases, all

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that kind of good stuff, Instagram's probably the best place

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for that. That would be the same handle that would

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be at Forensics Band. So either of them Facebook not Facebook,

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So I didn't mention that Instagram or TikTok would be

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the best place.

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Speaker 9: Okay, wonderful, wonderful, Well, Jordan, thank you again so much.

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We'll let you go and we're gonna hit this track, Maxine.

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But we appreciate you talking with us today and we'll

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definitely do it again in the future. And you know,

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like I said, whenever the next single's ready, we'll we'll

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have you back on and we'll we'd love to do

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the American radio premiere here and keep up the great work.

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We're big fans here.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure. No, I appreciate it. Thank you very

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much for having me. It's great to shot.

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Speaker 9: All right, Jordan, thank you, take care, thanks you too,

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Bye bye bye bye. All right. That is Jordan from

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the band The Forensics, and we're gonna play now the

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first single that we played from the band here on

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the show again. This is a personal favorite of mine.

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I know Jenny really loves this one too. This is

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called Maxine and the band is The Forensics.

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Speaker 3: Just ge't again on the places where we've been, and

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I just get a ready all.

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Speaker 5: The things out we have seen. No at you away,

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because I've seen you with my dreams.

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Speaker 8: Oh please not.

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Speaker 5: I see sat near free.

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Speaker 2: Gody fish swimming against the side.

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Speaker 5: The morning rings mean.

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Speaker 7: Green sleeves, us wondering why.

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Speaker 2: Mess by decrease and stee averring things something.

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Speaker 5: It's an even.

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Speaker 4: Don't we.

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Speaker 6: That so being said?

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Speaker 11: Li tells gut Age then he said, its loving these things.

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Then I'll try to step away some things. We have scenes,

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No you say the teams.

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Speaker 5: Go please are Class.

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Speaker 7: Seven scene.

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Speaker 6: See standing around the ceiling.

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Speaker 5: You feel like it's all boom. You bought those Acevenings.

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Speaker 4: They still there.

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Speaker 6: They know soun.

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Speaker 5: You wet un slee and this house says day bout.

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Speaker 4: Some say the Leadings got away your mess, and no.

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Speaker 7: Say seven free.

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Speaker 4: Se say.

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Speaker 9: I love that track so much. That is Maxie. The

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band is the Forensics. I love that band so much too,

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so I'm gonna play one more from them. This track

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is called LSF and this is the Forensic and Forensics sorry,

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and then after that we're gonna come back in a

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little bit of interesting music news actually uh music, Well

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you'll it's interesting. I'll just leave it at that. That's

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my teaser, uh that we will come back and tackle

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just briefly after this track. But here it is. This

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is the Forensics. One more for you. This is called LSF.

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Speaker 8: This is a great songs.

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Speaker 5: I'm interestingly.

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Speaker 2: Elexnic Certifika.

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Speaker 5: I'm waiting, go on it, get on it.

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Speaker 12: I'm traving through a Bamba Nada, black Ussis and Bishops.

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I just said, we go on it electronics, houllify across

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the shoot the boss all by messigh your body.

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Speaker 6: We come.

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Speaker 4: Scald this celi fire know.

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Speaker 8: What need it. It's closer.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying to stand and I.

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Speaker 5: Don'tmost step out likening this, you.

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Speaker 12: Sell fire the deeper, the sleepert besideing fen.

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Speaker 6: We we.

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Speaker 5: Set s.

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Speaker 10: S S.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Matt Connorton Unleashed on WM and H

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Speaker 9: Hey, everybody, you are listening to Matt Connorton Unleashed, and

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I do want to thank everyone who has joined us

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on the show today, for those of you listening live

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on Saturday. Of course, in the first hour we had

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Rob critch Lee from the band The Fods, and we're

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actually going to close out the show in just a

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few minutes with another track from The Fods. In the

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second hour, let's see. In the second hour, of course,

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we had the guys from Baron Kismo love their new

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single Easy that just came out pretty recently. We did

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the American radio premiere for that on the show I

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think a week or two ago. It becomes a bit

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of a blur, but love talking to those guys. And

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then of course we talked with Jordan from the band

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The Forensics. We just heard two songs from the Forensics

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to close out that conversation, Max Scene their first single

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and LSF.

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Speaker 8: And then we.

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Speaker 9: Had a great conversation with Jordan. So love that band.

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Right now though, since we have time, a little bit

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of music news, but this particular item, this news item

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actually combines well, we could do this on two different shows.

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This is appropriate for Matt connorton Unleashed because we do

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talk about things going on in the music industry on

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this show. I also, of course host along with our

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friend Eric Pilcher, the podcast called Tough Bumps, which is

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about wrestling, and we do that on the weekend. We'll

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probably do one this weekend sometime on Sunday. That is

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completely effort from WM ANDH. Of course, that is strictly

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a podcast. You can find it on the IPM Nation

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We would love your support, So we do that every

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weekend and this particular news item. So we're gonna talk

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about this now, but we might also talk about it

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on Tough Pumps with Eric. This is from Billboard. John

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Cena hit with lawsuit over famed horns sample in theme

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song The Time Is Now. The WWE wrestler turned movie

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star is facing legal claims that the intro to his

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theme song is based on a sample of a nineteen

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seventy four recording that was never properly cleared. Now you

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hear about this, well, you don't hear about it nearly

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as much anymore because everyone's gotten a lot smarter about

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it legally. But you know, I remember growing up there

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were always stories about in hip hop, a hip hop

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artist releases a song, there's a sample in the song,

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very often from an early R and B song, or

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you know, it could be from anything. But so these

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artists would release this music, these hip hop songs with

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samples in them that were not cleared with the rights

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holder of whoever owns that audio, whether it be the

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original artist who did that song that the sample is

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taken from, or a record label or whomever. Right, so

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uncleared samples became a problem. And then you know, obviously

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there's been a lot of litigation about that over the years,

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and I think you don't really hear about that much today.

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That is a story that you heard a lot in

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the eighties and the nineties and even in the two thousands,

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But today you don't really hear a lot of stories

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about while this artist is getting sued because they have

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an uncleared sample on their song or on their album.

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But here now John Cena. Of course, John, he has

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become a mainstream celebrity. He is one of the celebrities.

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He's one of the wrestlers who professional wrestlers who's has

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transcended wrestling and gone on to be a mainstream celebrity.

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Obviously the biggest example of that being The Rock. The

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Rock one of the highest, if not the highest paid

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movie star in Hollywood who initially became famous because of wrestling.

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That's why we call him the Rock, even though his

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real name is Dwayne Johnson, Dwayne the Rock Johnson. But

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you know, he's the greatest example of that. And then

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of course there's other people who you know, hull Cogan

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who passed away not too long ago, hul Cogan, who

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did not find mainstream success in cinema. His movies were

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largely panned because of the films that he starred in.

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Not you know, I'm not talking about Rocky, I'm talking

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about the films where Hogan was actually the star are

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generally pretty awful. So but that doesn't change the fact

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that hul Cogan, despite not really finding success outside of

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professional wrestling, absolutely one of the most fas people on

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the planet. So, but John Cena has also Now John

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Cena is not he has not hit the stratosphere that

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the Rock has hit, of course, but John Cena very

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successful in Hollywood and has transcended professional wrestling. He also

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had and this was really sort of a part of

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his professional wrestling career. He did release an album. He

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has one hip hop album that he released on WWE's

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label at the time, and one of the tracks from

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that album is called the Time is Now, and the

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Time Is Now is the song that John Cena comes

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out to. Now. John Cena has also been in the news.

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When I say it comes out to I mean when

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he comes out of the entrance and goes to the ring.

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For people who are like, what if you're not a

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wrestling fan, you don't know that, So that's what I

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mean by come out to Now. John Cena also has

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been relevant within wrestling recently because he's on his retire

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Ironment tour. He's about to have his final wrestling match

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ever in the WWE, and you know, he's forty eight

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years old and this is it. He's going to commit

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to Hollywood full time, which makes sense. And of course

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there was the John Cena heel turn that happened a

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while back, which actually got a lot of mainstream media attention,

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even though it was part of a professional wrestling storyline,

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but it was such a big deal that the mainstream

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media paid attention to it. So a lot of interesting

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things in a heel turn. Again, for people who don't know,

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that's when a good guy becomes a bad guy. So

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John Cena during his final year in WWE became for

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a short time, he became a bad guy. He became

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a villain, which I thought was very entertaining, but not

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everyone liked it. But anyway, So John Cena is pretty

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relevant these days on multiple levels. He just apparently he

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just was on the Joe Rogan podcast Joe Rogan. I mean,

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I know his stock has fallen a little bit, but

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he's still one of the if not the biggest podcasts

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in the world. And Johnsena was just on there. So

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so John Cene is very relevant right now. But this

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theme song that he's been using for twenty years, apparently

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there is a problem with the sample the horn section.

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Now I should what I'll do is I should have

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had this ready, but let me grab his theme song,

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The Time is Now. I think he says in the

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song you can't see me the Time is Now, because

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that's you know, his thing too, you can't see me? Okay.

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I thought it was called My Time is Now, but

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apparently it's actually called the Time is Now. So there's

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there's horns in it, even though it's a hip hop song.

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Let's see here it is the Time is Now. I'll

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just play a little bit of it for you. Why

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does this have a parental advisory on it? There's no? Uh,

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all right, well, here's definitely a clean version. I was

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gonna say, I don't think there's any swears in it.

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Here's a clean this. This one's definitely clean though, except

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there might be a commercial to sit through before I

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play this. But just so if you're not familiar with

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the song, So you can hear the horns, I don't

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hear anything. Oh, here we go. Hang on, all right,

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here it comes. You can hear the horns right, Your

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time now? Okay, So he actually does say my time

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is now, but the song is called the Time is Now.

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All right, let's pause that. Uh so there's an uncleared

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sample on that apparently. So here's the here's the article again.

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This is from Billboard. WWE superstar and actor John Cena

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is facing a lawsuit over the iconic horn riff from

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his entrance theme, The Time is Now. A questionable legal case,

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but one that shines a light on a tortured history

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of sam and credits behind the famed song. That's interesting.

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So apparently there have been other legal issues with the

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song that I was not aware of, says. The lawsuit

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was filed by the daughter of Pete Schofield, who's nineteen

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seventy four recording of the Night the Lights Went Out

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in Georgia. Everybody knows that song right That's the Night

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that the lights went out in Georgia is the undisputed

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source of the blaring horn blasts at the start of

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Sina's two thousand and five track. In it, she claims

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that Sina and the WWE failed to properly clear the

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sample and breached an earlier fifty thousand dollars settlement over

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the dispute. Now, I did not know. This is news

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to me. I did not know that that had ever happened.

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I think they kept it very quiet. I did not

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know that there was ever a problem established previously over

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that horn section. I do want to and I didn't

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know that there was a settlement. Now you might be thinking,

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though I do know this, might be thinking, why if

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this was already settled, why is this coming up again.

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There's a very good reason. There's a very good reason.

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But we'll come back to that, because I want to

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pull this up. Now. I know the song the Nights

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the night the lights went out in Georgia, I do

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not know. I can't remember though, like I haven't heard

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it in a long time. Is that like if I

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pull that song up, which I'm going to do now,

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and we listen to that, are we going to hear

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that exact I just want to hear it for myself.

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Is it really sampled from that? Because I haven't heard

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that song in forever, But I don't remember hearing in

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that song, you know, the horns. So let's let's find out.

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Pete Schofield and the Canadians The Night the Lights Went

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Out in Georgia. Let's see. I don't know where in

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the song the horns appear, but let's uh, let's find out.

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So this is obviously not the version of the song

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that we're used to hearing. I can't remember because the

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version we're used to hearing, the big hit song The

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Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia has vocals. I

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can't remember who does it, but this is Pete Schofield,

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you know, jazz musician doing his version of it, which

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is an instrumental. I'm hearing a lot of horns, and

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the horns sound similar in tone and timbore to the

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horns in John seen As theme. But I don't hear

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so far. I don't hear that actual.

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Speaker 3: Do you.

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Speaker 9: I don't hear the actual riff. But let's listen to

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a little bit more of this. Not hearing it.

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Speaker 8: Where is it?

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Speaker 9: Is it right at the beginning, because I failed to

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unmute this right at the beginning. Let's go back to

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the very beginning. We're not going to listen to a

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whole thing, I promise, because just kill me. I don't

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like this kind of stuff. But here, oh there it is.

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It's in the beginning. Okay, here, all right, okay, guilty. Yeah,

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they definitely took it from that, all right, no getting

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around it. I'm glad I went back to the beginning.

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Let's see, let's go back to this article. Okay, so

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they settled. They settled that for fifty grand. Now there's

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more to this article. Let's back up a little bit actually, Okay.

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So the lawsuit was filed by the daughter of Pete Schofield,

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who's nineteen seventy four recording is the undisputed source of

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the Blaring Horns Horn blasts at the start of Sina's

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two thousand and five track. In it, she claims that

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SENA and the WWE failed to properly clear the sample

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and reached an earlier fifty thousand dollar settlement over the dispute. Okay, so,

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Kim Schofield rights. This is from her December second lawsuit

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obtained by Billboard, which names both John Cena and WWE

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as defendants. Quote. Every effort at informed resolution has been

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met with threats, misrepresentations, and intimidation tactics, leaving plaintiff with

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no recourse but to seek relief from this court. Unquote.

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Now again, this was previously settled, So why is this

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coming up again? Says here The time is now, in

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which Sina wraps over a beat created by producer Jake

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One was released in two thousand and five by Columbia

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House Records and WWE Music Group. The track served as

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a theme song during Sena's rise to superstardom and later

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became a popular track in social media memes. The track

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will likely play at some point during his final WWE

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appearance next week before he retires from wrestling. The song

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is something of a crediting nightmare. The famed horns are

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pulled from Schofield's recording of the Night Went Out in

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Georgia I'm Sorry the Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia,

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which is a cover of a composition by songwriter Bobby

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Russell that's also been released by multiple other artists, including

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Vicky Lawrence, Oh, Vicky Lawrence. She's the one who had

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the big hit with it, Vicky Lawrence and Reba McIntyre.

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Sena song also samples heavily the mop's two thousand hip

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hop classic Anti Up, which itself drew on samples from

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Sam and Dave's soul sister Brown Sugar. Yeah, that's a

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lot of sampling. The complex audio lineage has already led

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to previous legal battles. Back in two thousand and eight,

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MOP sued WWE Oversena's use of the Anti Up sample,

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claiming that they had expressly refused to approve the use

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of their track and that WWE had cleared it by

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getting a signature from a receptionist at an unaffiliated company.

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I didn't know about any of this. This is fast,

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but that case was quickly dropped a few months later

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on undisclosed terms. In Schofield's lawsuit, filed with the help

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of lawyers Kim, Schofield paints a complicated picture of her allegations.

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She says she finally didn't know about seeing his use

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of the song until twenty fifteen, and that they had

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signed a settlement deal in twenty seventeen. This is important

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with WWE for fifty thousand dollars covering the sample of

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the sound recording, but at some point later, she claims,

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they realized they also owned publishing rights two aspects of

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Schofield Scofield's nineteen seventy four song that were distinct from

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Russell's original composition. This guet's very complicated. Such allegations could

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face an uphill climb in court. Decade old claims of

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copyright infringement could very likely be barred in the statute

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of limitations or by earlier settlement. Yeah, I mean copyright law,

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trademark law, intellectual property law. All of it gets very,

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very complicated. I find it fascinating. I hope some of

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you do. It's also not legally clear that Schofield can

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claim the rights she says she owns, nor that she

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can blame WWE for the fact that she was unaware

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of them when she signed the earlier deal. Reps for

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Sena and the WWE did not immediately return her request

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for a comment on Friday. In her lawsuits, Schofield says

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lawyers for WWE told her that the twenty seventeen settlement

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was final and binding on any claims related to the

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time is now, and that she could not later reopen

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negotiations merely because she had seller's remorse. They also allegedly

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told her that they had fully cleared the sample by

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inking a license with the airs of Bobby Russell, the

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songwriter who wrote the song that Schofield recorded. The lawsuit

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also names Russell's airs as defendants. The younger Schofield claims

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they have improperly been receiving the royalties for seen as

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use of the sample, and that they have recently threatened

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to sue her if she does not stop claiming her

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own rights to the song. The Russell Airs could not

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immediately be located for comment. While cover artists can get

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sound recording copyrights to their specific performances, they cannot typically

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claim composition rights, a common sense rule, since the underlying

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music in a cover was necessarily written by someone else.

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In fact, making substantial changes to the underlying song can

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turn a legal cover track into an unauthorized derivative. Now

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there's something else to this that this article leaves out.

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That I was reading last night, and that is and

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I'm surprised it is not included in this article. Part

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of what Kim Schofield is mad about is that she

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claims that when that fifty thousand dollars settlement was reached,

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because that seems like a low number to me for

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this kind of case. When she agreed and her lawyers

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agreed to that fifty thousand dollars settlement, they were unaware,

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and she has claimed that WWE and their attorneys intentionally

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tried to hide this from her. She was unaware that

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that song was about to be used in a national

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advertising campaign for I Think It's Toyota, that I Think

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there were Toyota ads with John Cena's voice in the

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ad is the voiceover, and that that song is playing

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in the ad, specifically with that horn riff that's in

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the ad, and she agreed to that fifty thousand dollars figure,

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not knowing that. Two days later, two days after she

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agreed to that settlement, that ad campaign rolls out and

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on televisions throughout the United States. People are seeing this

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ad with that song and that horns sample in the

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ad for Toyota, and and she claims that they intentionally

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tried to hide that from her. They concealed that from

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her because they knew she would ask for a bigger

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number if she knew that that song was about to

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be used in a national advertising campaign, a high profile

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national advertising campaign, so she's mad about that. So that's

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also part of her claim here. But so there you go.

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That is again that is from Billboard dot com. So

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there's a lot a lot there. All right, we are

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going to begin to wrap up. I want to fit

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in one more track from the Fods, great song called Shopping.

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This was the first single that we ever played them

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on the show. But again, I do want to thank

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everybody who joined us today, Rob Critch Lee from the

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Fods of course in the first hour, and then we

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had Jordan from the Forensics in the third hour, and

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we had the whole band of Baron Kismo in the

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second hour who joined us today. So a fun show today.

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I hope everyone is well. If you want to know

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more about me and all the things I'm up to,

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Matt Coonorton dot com is my website. Jenny is not

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here with us today, she's at home, but she'll be

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back soon. But her website is Jencoffee dot com. Please

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check that out because she's always up to a lot

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of really good stuff, important work that she is doing.

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And oh and this weekend, I believe Eric Pilter and

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I will be doing a new episode of Tough Bumps,

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a new live stream on Sunday night, so be sure

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to tune in for that and please subscribe to that

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podcast on your podcast platform of choice. And Eric, of

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course is you know, he's still he hasn't been directly involved,

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but he's still an important part of Matt Connorton Unleashed

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as well, which is to say that those classic film

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are views that were very popular on the show, those

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will be coming back, I believe in January as Eric's plan.

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So so Eric is still very much with us as well,

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very very much involved. Dad, if you're listening, I love you.

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I hope you're well or will be well. You're not well,

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but that's why you're in mass general, but but you

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had surgery. I hope your recovery goes well and there

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is a path forward for you coming out of what

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you've been going through. And thank you everyone who's been

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very supportive with that.

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Speaker 8: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 9: And if you missed any part of today's show, we'll

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be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot

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org and at my website Matt Connorton dot com, and

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we will leave you with this track again. This is

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from the Fodds. This is the first single that we

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played on the show and I love this a lot.

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This is called shopping. To close out this week's Matt

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Connorton Unleashed Bye everybody.

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Speaker 5: She wears goo car.

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Speaker 1: And he's one of them.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, burned time.

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Speaker 6: No, as soon as buy your brand new too.

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Speaker 13: You're just su same all the races. I see you

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by that brand new dress. Something's going wrong. I know

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they shouldn't take this roll.

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Speaker 5: Somebody give me out all right by while crazy? You

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mustn't ray.

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Speaker 14: Ill this farming just want to follow me to be the.

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Speaker 10: May?

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Speaker 8: What about?

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Speaker 5: Says? I don't see some does some especially within me,

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especially with ly sep ly do sils just got some

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time le sills got some time. Hole. So what we

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do and made ourselves just passes? Stop that leave si

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sa when we do any little souls listen lexee me No,

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did I would make you proud? Come so far from

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Mona yesterday? Still not clear?

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Speaker 1: How the hell are we get here the rest of years?

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Speaker 5: Ancern in sua age's concerning me? Mean, go hon there's

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nothing from me? So I don't want a time.

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Speaker 14: So got about the trainway, got up to the Free

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just a dot of cr.

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Speaker 5: Something's not.

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Speaker 2: Always chasing something new, got to something.

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Speaker 4: In of you.

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Speaker 5: And am I going on my way? Not not to

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me over look that you never thought I should. I

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am lunching you and all go gasserted me. I mean

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there's nothing.

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Speaker 14: From me, I said, I want to tell you I

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got I got the train. Anyway you go to the Free,

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it's just a dollar cross

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Speaker 8: The st

