Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Aladi? Folks, your host double J back here for another Fridays. Uh,
Speaker 3: welcome back. We got a uh royal barnburner here on
Speaker 3: deck tonight, of course as always, and UH got uh
Speaker 3: returning guest here and before I introduced myself or I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: my co host Nick once again, that's j J. Vance,
Speaker 3: host of Operation g c D and perhaps more notably
Speaker 3: not the vice president. Nick. Welcome to Fridays. Hey doing sir?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: I think I'm doing okay. It's a little bit better
Speaker 4: than it was earlier.
Speaker 2: That's a plus.
Speaker 3: We're both on a park today. Huh.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 4: I woke up like I woke up like and like
Speaker 4: just coughed up something, and I was like, I'm going
Speaker 4: to say to myself what the fuck was that? And
Speaker 4: nothing was coming out of it. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: what the fuck's wrong with my throat? I'm like talking
Speaker 4: to myself in the bathrooms, like and here, how fucked
Speaker 4: up it is?
Speaker 2: Like it just.
Speaker 3: The uh allergy?
Speaker 2: I'm blaming about the allergies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was actually wondering about that because I
Speaker 4: know it was fucking up headless yesterday when I was.
Speaker 3: On the show coming in hot with some allergions. We
Speaker 3: had a real barn burner earlier today before we get started.
Speaker 3: What else is going on the Occult Rejects besides the
Speaker 3: barn burner we had today with a yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people don't catch definitely go catch that show that
Speaker 4: we just did earlier. That was fucking like almost it
Speaker 4: was like three hours, I think, like on the dot almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of you don't even feel like it
Speaker 3: right because like I was like, oh shit, they we
Speaker 3: heard three hours.
Speaker 4: When it went to two hours, I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: it's been that long. And then I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: maybe it's like two twenty five to thirty hours.
Speaker 2: We're wrapping it up. And I saw like three hours.
Speaker 2: I was like, hop yeah, dude, did I feel like
Speaker 2: that long at all?
Speaker 3: Great convo?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, besides that, I mean, what did
Speaker 2: I have? Did anything drop this week?
Speaker 4: They were, oh, we had the time slips actually dropped
Speaker 4: today if people haven't checked it out on audio the
Speaker 4: Ocult Rejects and video on my end as well.
Speaker 2: And you were in that with uh Rye right.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, it's an excellent conversation with a guest Former
Speaker 3: guests here of Fridays In and Occult Rejects Rye from
Speaker 3: Codegus Codex of Curiosities. That's a lot of words, but
Speaker 3: it's a great show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, we had that.
Speaker 4: Then we got ah this weekend we have the High
Speaker 4: Strangeness at Dudley Town with the Cult of Conspiracy.
Speaker 2: We both did too. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 3: That was a really out I'm not gonna lie to you,
Speaker 3: like I say, these are real barnbers, but that was
Speaker 3: a real outstanding show with those gents. They're yeah, Conspiracy.
Speaker 3: I didn't I wasn't familiar with their work, but I
Speaker 3: like their style.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. No.
Speaker 4: They when they cover topics, they do a pretty thorough
Speaker 4: So that's why, because I knew it was going to be,
Speaker 4: you know, solid work if they came on.
Speaker 3: So good call, because I listened to one of their
Speaker 3: shows in preparation just to see what they're like, you know,
Speaker 3: get a little flavor of their show. I mean, I
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, but you know what I'm saying, Like they
Speaker 3: came in hot with some good stuff there.
Speaker 4: Me and Teresa have covered a few topics on their
Speaker 4: show before, as well, and it's always gone well, Like
Speaker 4: even if I'm bringing up something that they don't even know,
Speaker 4: somehow they even have stuff to add to it.
Speaker 2: It's it's just wolves works out fun.
Speaker 3: Julia does a lot of work over there on Saturdays here.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, she's got a she's got like a day
Speaker 4: on their rotation. I'm not exactly. I think they do
Speaker 4: like a show it to every day. I think she
Speaker 4: is like one of those spots or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she said Saturdays Julia from Cosmic Peach,
Speaker 3: who was also with us this afternoon for the Austin
Speaker 3: Waite Percarticulet Reject Show.
Speaker 4: Yes, but uh, anything else, I think, let me see
Speaker 4: what I have coming up next week.
Speaker 2: Anything that we did.
Speaker 4: Oh, Scientology and Battlefield Earth with rack Andy Krops next.
Speaker 3: Week coming in hot. That's a great one. I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed that one too.
Speaker 2: That was good too.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, that and that and then we have
Speaker 4: been Symbolism the symbolic studies.
Speaker 2: You weren't there for that. That was like the occult stuff.
Speaker 3: I listened to that one. Now, that was a good one.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but we got that coming up.
Speaker 3: Was that with the one with rot No one that's
Speaker 3: not Rob you said, symbolic studies. Oh, I actually I
Speaker 3: keep on missing his shows that he was on there recently,
Speaker 3: one of the Occult Reject shows. You know, we always
Speaker 3: Joe Joe. We were joking because we're always kind of
Speaker 3: seeing each other in passing and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he shows up in a lot of
Speaker 4: the lives. We're actually scheduling a Nazi symbolism with him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that one's there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, sure Nazis.
Speaker 3: Now you're talking my language.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: When he he suggested it, and then I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: say no more.
Speaker 3: And sadly you won't be able to make it for
Speaker 3: this one coming up on Operation GCD Live The Occult
Speaker 3: Rejects End of month review. On Operation GCD Live, we're
Speaker 3: doing uh and occult Esoteric review of So I married
Speaker 3: an axe murderer on the twenty fifth. But you'll uh,
Speaker 3: you'll be there Wednesday, right.
Speaker 4: I may not even be home next week because well
Speaker 4: the twenty and through the twenty fourth, for sure, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be at the summit. But then I may actually
Speaker 4: have to film something a day or two more after that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's something I could have too. That would
Speaker 4: be going to Mount Pilot's summit next week to film
Speaker 4: the UFO alien fucking thing going on over there. Question
Speaker 4: for you technically, technically it could be possible this time
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 2: I could have met Randall Colson at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What's that called?
Speaker 2: Eh?
Speaker 3: This album?
Speaker 2: I don't even know the name of it.
Speaker 3: Something I looked forward before. I'll look forward again. Here.
Speaker 3: Where do you find it?
Speaker 2: You should have somebody send me a link.
Speaker 3: You'll put it up if you find it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you'll miss that one because of your
Speaker 3: your Mount Pilot escapades of the UFO conference. That that
Speaker 3: sounds exciting, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, should help at least meet people with my
Speaker 4: filming equipment shout to.
Speaker 3: Say, it sounds it sounds like an exciting, you know,
Speaker 3: opportunity to get get some your equipment out and operational.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you'll you'll be joining Operation GCD on
Speaker 3: Wednesday the eighteenth, though, right for the Oh Yes Occult
Speaker 3: Esoteric review of the film Ghost Story, where author Jonathan
Speaker 3: Mitchell has outlined how this story, written in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 3: contemporary to the Son of Sam, you know, right after
Speaker 3: its arrest David Burke, which is arrest This dude has
Speaker 3: inserted a bunch of elements of the Sun of Sam
Speaker 3: Tale and the Processed Church. At the time, they're into
Speaker 3: this horror story, right, ghost story, So that'll be a
Speaker 3: fun one there on one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forth to that one.
Speaker 3: And then I also got a quick a couple of
Speaker 3: quick plugs before we go to our guests here this evening.
Speaker 3: Those are the next two Operation GCD Lives and I
Speaker 3: got this is coming up on Sunday for Sundays Operation
Speaker 3: GCD Patreon the links in the description here on the
Speaker 3: link tree. This is Meet Nathaniel bar Jonah, Operation GCD
Speaker 3: Sunday's volume three. Oh shoot, it is three, almost said two.
Speaker 3: The legend of I wish it was to I wish
Speaker 3: I'd forget about it. I wish it was zero. I
Speaker 3: wish I'd forget about Robert the Dall and Buffalo Jared both.
Speaker 3: But the legend of Nathaniel Barjona. This is the fellow homicidal,
Speaker 3: kid diddling, cannibalistic, psychopathic serial killer that I came face
Speaker 3: to face with in Great Falls, Montana back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, and may or may not have served
Speaker 3: me human meatburgers at the heart. He's on Central Avenue
Speaker 3: on the late night back in Great Falls in the
Speaker 3: summer of two thousands, so that'll be a fun filled adventure.
Speaker 3: And then the following week the detective who worked that case,
Speaker 3: who busted Nathaniel Barjona, the homicide detective for Great Falls,
Speaker 3: Montana Police Department, would later go on in life to
Speaker 3: write what I would call the seminal study on thus far,
Speaker 3: at least on the serial killer you've never heard of
Speaker 3: Edward Wayne Edwards. So those are those are my exciting
Speaker 3: sighting plugs coming up here for Operation GCD. And then
Speaker 3: of course, as you said, I'm always apprecipating over there
Speaker 3: at cult Rejects, and I always appreciating the invite, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So of course it's always great.
Speaker 3: We have we have some conversations. Again, like today, I'm
Speaker 3: a big fan of Austin Waypercard. He's a you know,
Speaker 3: at his age, I certainly wasn't coming up with the
Speaker 3: ideas or having the interest of the of the subjects
Speaker 3: he's he's interested in today. So I like to see
Speaker 3: the the youth of today. You know, he's not you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: he's a he's a man. He's an adult, but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 3: you know, much younger than man one myself. So and
Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't into that stuff at his age.
Speaker 4: So you wonder about that if we had the technology
Speaker 4: at our finger tips at that age, we'll be doing
Speaker 4: the same stuff.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually thought the same thing myself, because you know,
Speaker 3: I try to. You know, I try to. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I'm mentor folks, but I try to. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm happy to answer questions and whatnot. I have a
Speaker 3: number of folks of you know, ranging from twenty five,
Speaker 3: I think, young thirties there. In Alston's case, I believe
Speaker 3: you know, I enjoy sharing notes with because I I'm
Speaker 3: excited that they have such an interest in these subjects
Speaker 3: at such such a young age, because again I didn't,
Speaker 3: not not to this degree, right, I mean you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, not where I'm having a podcast or
Speaker 3: sharing sharing information with people reading about subjects. Sure, right,
Speaker 3: but you know, but that that uh free flow of
Speaker 3: information I do think is key. Right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then what's that you got a lot
Speaker 2: up in there?
Speaker 3: He retains a lot, dude. I like it. I like
Speaker 3: it so last plug here before we get to our guests,
Speaker 3: and I apologize for the any long winded delays here.
Speaker 3: I got Operation GCD Thursday's Patreon coming up this Thursday
Speaker 3: the nineteenth at eight pm. And that's the anatomy of
Speaker 3: Satanic Panic kind of unpacking you know, the whole the
Speaker 3: whole Satanic Panic narrative, the major characters that we see
Speaker 3: in there perpetrating these things, and comparing the the propaganda
Speaker 3: to the actual real world events that were transpiring, you know, contemporaneously,
Speaker 3: you know, in a you know, kind of a chronological fashion.
Speaker 3: But obviously this fella, this muppetized fella right here, Michael Akino,
Speaker 3: is going to play a major role in that series.
Speaker 4: So speaking of Satanic Panic, I do have Stephen Flowers
Speaker 4: coming on my show this Sunday from the Tumblow set.
Speaker 2: Guys, you want to get you a fellow of Satan Panic.
Speaker 2: Definitely checked that out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna tell you all about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's got it's a panic though, right see, I
Speaker 2: asked him to come on to talk about.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Yeah, Well, I just you know,
Speaker 3: it was interesting. I was already writing this series when
Speaker 3: when Gina Black, which I thoroughly enjoyed her positions on
Speaker 3: opinions on everything. You know, I don't want the world
Speaker 3: to agree with me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the check was off for cemeteries. And
Speaker 2: I don't think she's like a conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she was coming at you know, she was
Speaker 3: she seemed like she was interested to hear more about
Speaker 3: the Westmos already, and it wasn't right.
Speaker 2: I think anything else and what the news told her.
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't have expected that, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, Oh, for sure, But you know, I just think
Speaker 3: that's part of you know, that conversation. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: commoncapsulate where my motivations in that series. You know, there's
Speaker 3: very reasonable, intelligent folks in this day and age that
Speaker 3: they think it was a Satanic panic. And you don't
Speaker 3: have to be a member of the Temple of Set
Speaker 3: to have that opinion.
Speaker 2: Mhm.
Speaker 3: It's because they've subscribed, you know. And I don't fault
Speaker 3: folks for falling for the magic show. But it is
Speaker 3: a magic show. And speaking of magic shows, there's an
Speaker 3: expert tonight here on magic shows of a Hollywood Bob
Speaker 3: Cocaine variety. How you doing sir, good, how's it going? Excellent? Phil,
Speaker 3: Phil Gazara, welcome back for some fridays here. Now. You
Speaker 3: were with us a few weeks back, and I couldn't
Speaker 3: could have enjoyed it more. A lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Well, an any man, any man knowledgeable in the life
Speaker 3: and times of Bob Cocaine Evans is somebody I want
Speaker 3: to talk to. And you, uh, you have a lot
Speaker 3: of details.
Speaker 1: Always I know, I know a little about the man.
Speaker 1: I mean, definitely, I mean for breakfast, just I mean
Speaker 1: an interesting figure. I mean between you know, his long
Speaker 1: his long career in show business, between being like at
Speaker 1: one point he was a voice actor in New York
Speaker 1: for like radio shows, and then you know, then you know,
Speaker 1: there was kind of like that period when he was
Speaker 1: working for his brother with the clothing company.
Speaker 3: And Charles, Charles is an interesting character for himself, right yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And well Charles is the one who figures into
Speaker 1: his the Cocaine bust.
Speaker 3: Right well, Charles, they do everything in life. And it's
Speaker 3: Charles and Charles Junior that fund and produced Johnny Depp's
Speaker 3: first directorial debut.
Speaker 1: Wow, well it's weird enough. So I was just looking.
Speaker 1: So I just finished The Fat Lady Saying, which was
Speaker 1: the sequel to the Kid Stays in the Picture, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the picture. Yeah, yeah, because it's it's
Speaker 1: based off of Evans after he has his stroke, like
Speaker 1: three strokes that almost killed him back in ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I'm looking at the picture of his son, Josh,
Speaker 1: his son with Ally McGrath, and I'm like, I've seen
Speaker 1: this guy, like I know I've seen him, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I could decide to look up
Speaker 1: the movie Ricochet with Denzel Washington and John Loftkow, good
Speaker 1: nineties movie, and he plays John Liftko is like right
Speaker 1: hand guy in it. And he also played Tom Cruise's
Speaker 1: brother and born on the fourth of July.
Speaker 3: I knew that one. I didn't realize he was in
Speaker 3: the Ricochet though, but it is interesting he plays a
Speaker 3: long Cruise in an Oliver Stone film. I find that
Speaker 3: epicenter of Xavity with the Evans family kind of odd,
Speaker 3: kind of odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then you think of I mean, uh, Oliver
Speaker 1: Stones relationship with arnand Milchah on the Israeli Spy, you know,
Speaker 1: with who produced JFK. And a few other movies. I
Speaker 1: mean he just got you know, got around and knowledge.
Speaker 3: Weird to have a center of these product these producers
Speaker 3: out there, isn't it, you know? I mean, obviously Cocaine
Speaker 3: Bob is a central figure. But when you look at Milkrone,
Speaker 3: how do you pronounce his name? Again?
Speaker 1: It was Milchown am I L C h A n
Speaker 1: A first name.
Speaker 3: These names will tell you phil I need new names.
Speaker 3: But you know Himlet you know, folks like Khoi. He's
Speaker 3: a scientologist, you know what I mean. He's doing a
Speaker 3: lot of the financing around this area. I mean, the
Speaker 3: only one. But they're all a little bit suspect.
Speaker 1: I think Dodi al Fayette, I think the Princess dies whatver?
Speaker 1: I think was a movie producer. Another good example. Now
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Is he part of the
Speaker 1: ben Load not the ben Loden family. Is he part
Speaker 1: of the House of Sad Fayette I think was related
Speaker 1: to Koshogi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both part of the House of Sad, right
Speaker 3: along with the ben Loads, A part of the House
Speaker 3: of od I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you're right on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of Saudi influence, a lot of influence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Milchohn I got a book I
Speaker 1: think for Christmas that was about him and his uh,
Speaker 1: his his career and uh not only Hollywood, but being
Speaker 1: like an Israeli elligence asset, and I believe he was
Speaker 1: involved with. I want to say it might have been
Speaker 1: might have been the that's relevant to today. I think
Speaker 1: might have been the theft of nuclear material that helped
Speaker 1: to do helped set up the Demona power plant, the
Speaker 1: one that may or may not have been bombed today
Speaker 1: by Iran.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to once again, sir, I'm going
Speaker 3: to make an accusation that you are a special agent
Speaker 3: of the Dewey decimal system in the main of a lot,
Speaker 3: not only as the books. You have obviously knowledge of
Speaker 3: current events, and I definitely respect that. I have no
Speaker 3: idea what you're talking about. That you're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: Help you what with today's events are Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't miss all I missed all that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna need some This sounds interesting though.
Speaker 1: Well, just with so Israel bombing Iran I think late
Speaker 1: last night into today, and then Iran responding. I believe
Speaker 1: Israel supposedly killed like a few of the high up
Speaker 1: Iranian military, and it might have even killed the negotiator,
Speaker 1: you know, for the you know, like for I guess
Speaker 1: whatever a cord they were going to try to come
Speaker 1: to to. Maybe the whole thing that Israel's been maintaining
Speaker 1: is that Iran is building nuclear weapons or is trying
Speaker 1: to start a program, the same program that supposedly is
Speaker 1: they've been trying to work on for thirty years. Because
Speaker 1: I literally found an article that someone had referenced on
Speaker 1: Twitter today, but I batchecked it from Chris Hedges back
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five saying Israel, Iran is close to
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, and they didn't, you.
Speaker 3: Know, That's what I was going to say. Isn't this
Speaker 3: just a narrative they keep rehashing. I feel like we're
Speaker 3: just doing the sequel to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. I mean and at one point, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think back in was it. I think when it
Speaker 1: was Obama's administration, you had the stuck snet, that whole
Speaker 1: virus thing that was part two, I think, unleashed by
Speaker 1: Israel to kind of to kind of incapacitate Iran's you know,
Speaker 1: networks and whatnot. And then they had killed Masade, had
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of their scientists, which apparently again Massad
Speaker 1: was in Iran again. Yeah, it's I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not good. And you know, you you start hearing
Speaker 1: oh Trump didn't know, or that who was at whit cough,
Speaker 1: who was like his negotiator might have betrayed him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's let's be I mean, I'm so tired of people
Speaker 1: giving Donald Trump mulligans on like everything he didn't know,
Speaker 1: he didn't know, you know, I said Donald Trump's biggest
Speaker 1: supporter was Sheldon and Miriam Adelson. He's gotten bailed out
Speaker 1: by the Israelis time and time again.
Speaker 3: You know, in the what's his golf bndicap? Maybe he
Speaker 3: needs those mulligans.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know his golf game. I know, I know
Speaker 1: he probably pads the numbers. I mean, I heard he's
Speaker 1: a good golfer, but who knows. It could be like
Speaker 1: mister Burns and the Simpsons constantly cheating.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed by his ability to consume the volume of
Speaker 3: fast food he does and achieve the physical performance of
Speaker 3: walking around a golf course. Is still swinging that club?
Speaker 3: Yeah that there is a monumental effort. Yeah, that it
Speaker 3: sounds it sounds like this is not good. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: these are not good things that are occurring your phil.
Speaker 1: No, it seems like it's going to be, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like a free for all soon, depending
Speaker 1: on who's going to back Iran. You know, they said
Speaker 1: Iran has you know, hit areas of Tel Aviv that
Speaker 1: they hit. I think they might have hit Israeli. I
Speaker 1: don't think the massade, but I think they might have
Speaker 1: hit the I d F headquarters. I mean net Ya
Speaker 1: who left. He literally didn't even stay around. He left
Speaker 1: hot the plane to Greece and now given press conferences
Speaker 1: saying that Iran's the Iranian people will be freed from
Speaker 1: their government because they want.
Speaker 3: To Huh this fella who this net in the I Fela?
Speaker 3: Is that the guy from Pennsylvania?
Speaker 1: Uh? Net Yeah, who is? I've heard he's from Poland?
Speaker 3: Didn't he go didn't he go to high school in Philadelphia?
Speaker 3: Am I getting that wrong? He might? I might be
Speaker 3: making that up. Pill I might be made the next
Speaker 3: looking to be like, don't ask me, you might be
Speaker 3: making that up. I agree, I might be making that.
Speaker 3: So where did he flee?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: He took he took a plane to Greece. According to
Speaker 1: what I saw that was shown on social media, they
Speaker 1: attract this plane. He bolted. He's barely hanging on by
Speaker 1: a thread for power, like they just I think the
Speaker 1: government just they voted not to vote them out. I
Speaker 1: think there was like a referendum or something some vote
Speaker 1: in Israel. But he's been battling corruption charges for a
Speaker 1: little more like over five years, I think, going back
Speaker 1: to at least twenty nineteen. Like the last time he
Speaker 1: seeded power was I think like twenty nineteen. And it
Speaker 1: relates to taking bribes from the Atolson's, amongst others. Arnon
Speaker 1: Miltjohn is mentioned in the if you ever see I mean,
Speaker 1: I've dropped it. I don't think it gets that far
Speaker 1: on Twitter because the algorithms. But I've dropped the copy
Speaker 1: of the BB files almost every day.
Speaker 3: But I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I do often, you know, coming and we see each
Speaker 3: other on Twitter. So maybe the algorithms are shutting that
Speaker 3: one down.
Speaker 1: Oh, I had to. I sent it to people DM
Speaker 1: after a while and even that wasn't working. I had
Speaker 1: to email it to some people.
Speaker 3: Well, I assume it's because this man's deep embedded into
Speaker 3: something here in America. Between nineteen fifty six and fifty
Speaker 3: eight and again between sixty three and sixty seven, his
Speaker 3: family lived in the United States in a suburb of
Speaker 3: Philadelphia where he attended high school and college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Pennsylvania is where that nuclear material was stolen.
Speaker 3: Inspiring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, there's the Milk shaw On connection.
Speaker 1: They are connected.
Speaker 3: What nuclear material are we talking here? What is this?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I think the acronym was n unc new mec. I
Speaker 1: think it was like the late sixties, early seventies. Milk
Speaker 1: shown was I know was involved, if not with the theft,
Speaker 1: but the variation of it. And I think like one
Speaker 1: of the Israeli's like key intelligence assets, was involved in it.
Speaker 1: It's been talked about a few times. And then you
Speaker 1: had the fact that when what Demona was capable of,
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Mordecai Venunu who was I believe
Speaker 1: like a scientist, exposed it and they basically kidnapped him.
Speaker 1: They did like a rendition and had him kidnapped. I
Speaker 1: think he was in London and basically kind of like
Speaker 1: put him. I mean, they didn't kill him, but they
Speaker 1: might as well. Have. I mean, I think they put
Speaker 1: him in some sort of solitary containment, almost kind of
Speaker 1: like the CIA did with the guy named Urie Msenko
Speaker 1: back in the sixties, kind of just kept him away
Speaker 1: from everybody but surveillance, you know, because he held that
Speaker 1: inconvenient knowledge. But I think I think I want to
Speaker 1: be in twenty years.
Speaker 3: All this sounds like business as usual. Bill. It sounds
Speaker 3: like I ran contra and never stopped and we're back
Speaker 3: to it. What is this night in eighty or twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five? What year is this.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five? But you wouldn't know it sometimes. I
Speaker 1: mean I feel like it's the same cast of characters.
Speaker 1: It's the uh, you know, the you know the secret
Speaker 1: team that Fletcher Proudy wrote about sort of types, and
Speaker 1: you know the ones that Daniel Shehan mentioned with the
Speaker 1: Christic Institute. Like, it's all these guys. There's always these
Speaker 1: reappearing people. That's how someone like a guy like a
Speaker 1: Howard Hunt keeps appearing, you know, even though he retired
Speaker 1: from the CIA two three times, you know, whatever it
Speaker 1: was between writing books and then later on leading the plumbers.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna say, what wouldn't you classify him
Speaker 3: in this whole category of this Material Assistance Command crew
Speaker 3: that was the Operation forty kind of crew, the the
Speaker 3: you know, the the folks that were training the anti
Speaker 3: cast Cubans. These are all like an element of these
Speaker 3: agencies and operations that they recruit from. They they and
Speaker 3: from my opinion, they comprise these things within things like
Speaker 3: Bill Colby's Material Assistants Command, you know, Bill Colby, the
Speaker 3: CIA director OSS guy, then sets up Operation Gladio. Then
Speaker 3: he comes home, he gets to be you know, he
Speaker 3: gets up in the ranks, He goes to Vietnam, be
Speaker 3: a fucking Nam, and then he makes you know, the
Speaker 3: in the Materials Assistance Command, he creates the Phoenix program.
Speaker 3: And then I agree with mcgow and a lot of
Speaker 3: the a lot of the ship we see in America
Speaker 3: today is Operation Gladio and the Phoenix program come Home
Speaker 3: and these are all Bill Bill Colby's, you know babies,
Speaker 3: these are the things he made, right So when I
Speaker 3: see it, you know, that's what I'm saying, Like a
Speaker 3: lot of this ship just seems like it's all continuation
Speaker 3: of that network right within these that framework and down
Speaker 3: to the point where Bill Colby's son was a primary
Speaker 3: witness against Orenthal James Simpson and the murders of Nicole Brown,
Speaker 3: Simpson and Ron Goldman. Why the fuck is Carl Colby
Speaker 3: one of the primary witnesses in his murder trial, right?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's crazy. I wasn't a fan of that
Speaker 1: documentary that he did about his dad, the man Nobody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was that was real dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember reading about Colby's dad years ago.
Speaker 1: I was only in high school at the time, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I just remember the name, and I
Speaker 1: was like, former CIA director, you can't find him. And
Speaker 1: then eventually when you find his body, it's a place
Speaker 1: you already like dredged in the water. And it made
Speaker 1: no sense. I mean, and at Colby. So one of
Speaker 1: the other things Colby was he was also legal counsel
Speaker 1: for the Newganhan Bank in Australia.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, it was illegal council. He was on that board, yep.
Speaker 1: And I mean then later on considered to be you know,
Speaker 1: on the Franklin you know, the Franklin Credit Union, the
Speaker 1: whole the scandal.
Speaker 3: With that point, when I first started looking at you,
Speaker 3: I would like to hear your thoughts in next because
Speaker 3: you know, I know he's gone on the subject. What
Speaker 3: was your thoughts when you first discovered Bill Colby is
Speaker 3: in league with a former Green Beret from the same
Speaker 3: Material Assistance Command Phoenix program, John de Camp and they're
Speaker 3: the ones uncovering the Franklin scandal. Get the fuck out
Speaker 3: of here. That was my reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with so I I read The Franklin Scandal probably
Speaker 1: like twenty is that is that the Camp Franklin Franklin
Speaker 1: Scandal's Nick.
Speaker 3: Bryant, Nick Brian, there we go. I like that book,
Speaker 3: but yeah, they love the book. Yeah, I actually did.
Speaker 1: And again, it was just one of those things on
Speaker 1: Twitter a couple of years ago St Patrick, who does Garrison,
Speaker 1: the magazine that does like a lot of like investigative
Speaker 1: stuff from like people like an r so, the the
Speaker 1: non mainstream alternative media type, and uh, he asked me
Speaker 1: to like basically compare the two books. So I wound
Speaker 1: up doing like reading the Franklins uh cover up again
Speaker 1: and comparing that to The Franklin Scandal and just kind
Speaker 1: of there was a lot of differences.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, no, I agree, but I'd like to
Speaker 3: hear some of your thoughts on these differences.
Speaker 1: I mean, I respected the camp, but I think he
Speaker 1: trusted cold. I mean it appeared like as the way
Speaker 1: the book was is like, oh, he really gave a
Speaker 1: lot of credence to Bill Colby. And then again it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: is it because he, you know, had an association with
Speaker 1: him that went so far back. I mean at the
Speaker 1: copy of the book I read, which was after like
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and all these other things, gets in how
Speaker 1: to the camp I think represented the Montana Freeman at
Speaker 1: one point one of those militia groups.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he said that he's got some suspect activities, Phill,
Speaker 3: He's got some real suspect activities. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At one point he says Colby had told him something
Speaker 1: not to go meet with one of the journalists who
Speaker 1: was looking into the Clinton scandals, this guy named Ambrose
Speaker 1: Evans Pritchard, who actually wrote on the Clinton books.
Speaker 3: I read and please repeat that name, Ambrose Evans Pritchard, Pritchard.
Speaker 1: Yep, you got it. And he wrote it was called
Speaker 1: like the Secret Life of Bill Clinton. It was they
Speaker 1: called it like that instead of like Whitewaters, like the
Speaker 1: Blackwater scandals. So they mentioned Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: God, was this funded by the Melons?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Pritchard was. I think they tried
Speaker 1: to associate him with it, but he mentioned Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: He talks about Kevin Ives and Don Henry, the Boys
Speaker 1: on the Tracks. He talks about Terry Reid, who is
Speaker 1: the Contra, the guy training the Contras out of Mina.
Speaker 1: And it was a good book. I mean, but he
Speaker 1: gets I think even mentioned Colby too.
Speaker 3: But this legit economists journalist right on an economy pieces. Huh,
Speaker 3: what's what's this guy doing? Yeah? I think you got Yeah,
Speaker 3: let me bring it up. He's he's over in Brussels
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one. And we were talking about Brussels
Speaker 3: in the early nineties today, weren't we, Nick Yes, with
Speaker 3: the Dutrow stuff and the Solar temple stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, if I'm not mistaken, Brussels is where the
Speaker 1: massade took out. Gerald Bull, the guy who was I
Speaker 1: think he was a SCIGNI. He was a weapons guy
Speaker 1: and he was going to build Iraq's doomsday gun. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He joined the Telegraph in ninety one, serving as
Speaker 3: Washington correspondent. Later European correspondent Russell's I'd like to see
Speaker 3: what date he got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a kind of one of those one
Speaker 1: of those journalists who was the bane of like the
Speaker 1: Clinton white ass back in the nineties when when spin
Speaker 1: really kind of got you know, it's its modern kind
Speaker 1: of existence. Was the press secretary's during Clinton's time. But yep,
Speaker 1: they had a sacred life of Bill Clinton. So Colby said,
Speaker 1: do not trust him, Prichard and that Clinton We're gonna
Speaker 1: he's useful to us. That's how he said it to
Speaker 1: the camp, which I was kind of surprised about, you know, like,
Speaker 1: why would you trust, you know, someone like him. Yea,
Speaker 1: it was regnory and I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: say Regnary. You know, it's it's right wing. I mean
Speaker 1: that's where I read Partners in Power by Roger Morris,
Speaker 1: and that that book was brilliant.
Speaker 3: You highly recommend this one, Hope, Phil. This is the
Speaker 3: Secret Life of Bill Clinton. I have not read this book.
Speaker 3: I have to check out.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good book. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good it's a good jumping off point. But you know what,
Speaker 1: to me, I've read books that have been positive about
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and I've read ones that say, hey, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of dirt there, and you know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to you know, and again you talk about something
Speaker 1: like the Mina Mina drum running. There was a great sight.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's around as much anymore. Progressive Review,
Speaker 1: and they had a whole thing about the Clinton scandals,
Speaker 1: and the guy who writes it is more like a
Speaker 1: progressive Democrat, and he always viewed Bill Clinton as like
Speaker 1: a centrist, like he was more like, you know, would
Speaker 1: go whatever way to whatever was favorable to him, you know,
Speaker 1: to his career. And I think Mina in the end,
Speaker 1: the fact that they were running this operation out of
Speaker 1: his state was kind of like, that's that's the cross
Speaker 1: he had the bear if he wanted to go further
Speaker 1: in office. I mean, at that point he could have
Speaker 1: just remained a I mean, there was no limit to
Speaker 1: how many time as he could have been governor of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I think by the time by the time he ran
Speaker 1: for president, he was already a governor. He once he
Speaker 1: ran in seventy eight three, right, well, he won lost
Speaker 1: in eighty to a guy named Frank White, which I
Speaker 1: was kind of find funny because I think that was
Speaker 1: one I think that was one of Biggie Smalls's aliases
Speaker 1: was Frank White and Walkin's character in King of New York.
Speaker 1: And then he won in eighty two, and then I
Speaker 1: think afterwards it was like eighty six and ninety so
Speaker 1: like he was like a four time governor, but like
Speaker 1: three times in a row the last time around, and
Speaker 1: just like George W. Bush said, I won't I'll finish
Speaker 1: my term, he didn't finish his term. He ran for
Speaker 1: president ninety two. He wanted to run in eighty eight,
Speaker 1: but they told him no, and Ducacis ran because I
Speaker 1: think in the end, you know, the powers that be
Speaker 1: were kind of like, yeah, you know, it's hw Bush's turn.
Speaker 3: And you know he got de Cocas was the one
Speaker 3: and shit right, yeah, well he was the guy to fail, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So yeah, I gotta ask you.
Speaker 3: I gotta ask you about the Oklahoma City theory out
Speaker 3: of this book. But before that, you mentioned Mina and Clinton.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, Barry Seal is infamously this guy
Speaker 3: who's flying in the Median you know, the coke for
Speaker 3: the Mina Arkansas stuff as part of those operations. Right,
Speaker 3: He's not the only one. He's the one that's known
Speaker 3: about most right. So again this is this is the
Speaker 3: medi Ian cocau This is nineteen you know, the early eighties.
Speaker 3: This is the same time Old Cocaine Bob is doing
Speaker 3: business with the Median cartels. Number one dude in America's
Speaker 3: wife out there in Los Angeles, his co conspirador, and
Speaker 3: the murder of Roy Raydin Karen Greenberger who seems to
Speaker 3: have an her own Iran contrat cover name of Landy Jacobs.
Speaker 3: So these are all the same things, and it is
Speaker 3: the connecting principles of this cocaine. But Barry Seal there
Speaker 3: is interesting because with the greater sense of the cocaine
Speaker 3: funding this Iran contra stuff, Like, here's the deal with
Speaker 3: Barry Seal here besides being in the civil area, here's
Speaker 3: my positions and issues I'd like to bring up to
Speaker 3: your attention to see what your thoughts are. Barry Seal
Speaker 3: is in the same civil Air patrol with Lee Harvey
Speaker 3: Oswald and David Ferry as their leader. This is nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty four New Orleans.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He later goes on to do all these other things
Speaker 3: with the drug running everything else, like that he's doing
Speaker 3: a lot of these things through the twentiest Special Forces Group.
Speaker 3: We see that same National Guard Special Forces Group pop
Speaker 3: up in around Waco, Oklahoma City, all the operation Pack
Speaker 3: Hunt stuff. So that's that's interesting, right, But relative to
Speaker 3: all the drug running stuff, you know, I started looking at,
Speaker 3: you know, some of the genealogies of these folks. How
Speaker 3: do they get in these circumstances. I would argue, both
Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal knew each other in
Speaker 3: that Civil Air Patrol as teenagers because they were born
Speaker 3: into a system. So both looking to both their heritage.
Speaker 3: Both of their forefathers were officers and the Revolution, which
Speaker 3: seemingly we've qualified those men for membership in the secret
Speaker 3: society that started America, the Society of the Cincinnati. But
Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal, So Barry Seal's third
Speaker 3: great grandfather was, sorry, second great grandfather was a captain
Speaker 3: in the North Carolina chapter of the Society of the Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: you know, and the officers of the War of seventeen
Speaker 3: seventy six. And he's third cousins with Jimmy Carter. So
Speaker 3: when all this height of Iran contra stuff goes down
Speaker 3: through that same man, right, So you know who's telling
Speaker 3: who what to do? Right if he's the hereditary member
Speaker 3: in the secret group and Carter is simply a member
Speaker 3: as a result of being the president, right despite them
Speaker 3: being third cousins through this original member Seal Captain Joseph
Speaker 3: Seal I believe was his name of William Seal. You
Speaker 3: know who's really calling the shots in Iran contrary? Is
Speaker 3: it the president or is it his cousin? He might
Speaker 3: have some rank on him in this secret society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the first time I've heard
Speaker 1: of that, but and it's probably something we won't hear about.
Speaker 1: Ken Burns is next. H that's hilarious series.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious because Hed let's send me a message earlier
Speaker 3: he said we got to start stalking ken Burns to
Speaker 3: force him to do a mini series Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's say, I mean, I've seen some
Speaker 1: of the Civil War, I haven't seen really much of
Speaker 1: anything else of ken Burns, but I feel like he's that,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those guys, one of those pedlers
Speaker 1: of the narrative, kind of like.
Speaker 3: He's the go to guy for your you know, your
Speaker 3: hardcore kind of deep dive into historical subjects like the
Speaker 3: Civil War, and I think he's on baseball and small
Speaker 3: or shit like that.
Speaker 1: Well, like we were talking about, I mean, maybe even
Speaker 1: how Howard Blum and the true crime and history stuff
Speaker 1: with his books. Or Lawrence Wright, who I've mentioned before
Speaker 1: in his books and said I think.
Speaker 3: That Lawrence right, Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1: They Prime Day just released the book I think within
Speaker 1: the past six months, the Manchurian journalist that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be about rights work, and you know, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a guy. I mean I've read a handful of his books,
Speaker 1: Remembering Satan, which was about Satanic panic and it was
Speaker 1: in the Northwest, and it was these two girls who
Speaker 1: one accuses of dad, who's a cop. Actually no, they
Speaker 1: might have been sisters. Yeah, sisters accusing their dad. And
Speaker 1: then Dad's like under hypnosis like yeah, no, I could
Speaker 1: have done it, and it's like, okay, you think you
Speaker 1: could have. I mean, yeah, it winds up like indict
Speaker 1: like going after and again it could have happened, or
Speaker 1: it could have been one of those cases to kind
Speaker 1: of try to poison the well for all these other
Speaker 1: ones where you know, I mean, I believe so that
Speaker 1: I went from being you know, it didn't happen after
Speaker 1: seeing the movie years ago indictment, the McMartin trial about
Speaker 1: you know that whole.
Speaker 3: Thing, to James Woods.
Speaker 1: James Woods, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: The hero mm hmm ye saved us from nine to
Speaker 3: eleven right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no with I remember watching that and then
Speaker 1: reading so many different books where I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: And even with the book I read a handful of
Speaker 1: years ago, We Believed the Children. It was one of
Speaker 1: the review books I read, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy just says, nope, all these kids they were
Speaker 1: manipulated by psychiatrists, didn't happen. And it's like all it
Speaker 1: would take just is one to poison the well, just
Speaker 1: to say you could say nine out of ted didn't happen,
Speaker 1: but that tenth one did. I said, there's enough in
Speaker 1: these stories, especially with mc martin with I mean, even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like Virginia McMartin or Peggy Bucky Ray
Speaker 1: Bucky's behavior is very world And then you have the
Speaker 1: fact that they did find tunnels underneath when they excavated it,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was something that what's his name
Speaker 1: I think would pop up in Gunderson, Ted Gunderson would
Speaker 1: pop up and investigating that.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of words about what he did
Speaker 3: in like too. But the the for the mc martin stuff,
Speaker 3: it was the objective evidence of sexually transmit diseases that
Speaker 3: sold it for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how can kids make that up that many? Yeah,
Speaker 1: in an area that was pretty affluent, like Manhattan Beach
Speaker 1: was money, you know, like that's yeah, you think these kids,
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna have poor hygiene, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do that, Like STDs don't just
Speaker 1: pop up out of nowhere for sure.
Speaker 3: Before we circle back to the Oklahoma Seady stuff and
Speaker 3: Timothy McVay because I'm deeply interested in pat On stuff
Speaker 3: these days and how all this stuff connects to Idaho
Speaker 3: and the white nationals up there, But one I skipped
Speaker 3: every Nick. I want to get your thoughts on when
Speaker 3: did you discover the Franklin scandal and what were your
Speaker 3: thoughts on the authors who have conveyed these stories to us.
Speaker 4: Uh, that one dude who was like kind of like
Speaker 4: the kid with Bonacci.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just if I'm even saying his name, right,
Speaker 2: Who was that one?
Speaker 3: Paul Bonacci?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yeah, who is who's the guy who? That
Speaker 2: might have been the who's the thing you mentioned earlier?
Speaker 1: John DeCamp or Nick Bryant.
Speaker 2: Not Nick Bride. John de Camp was that him that
Speaker 2: was in that was like making videos about it and
Speaker 2: everything and like kind of making.
Speaker 4: It a spectacle and showing himself going to court and
Speaker 4: like trying to get likes.
Speaker 3: That's him. Yeah, he was the Silence documentary, right.
Speaker 2: I think that was early version. That was an early
Speaker 2: version of a fucking piece of shit. Alex Jones.
Speaker 3: There you go, and from a and from a guy.
Speaker 3: I just I just want to point this out because again,
Speaker 3: I just so many I think so much stuff gets
Speaker 3: over looked when we consider things such as that. And
Speaker 3: you know, John de Camp knew this man right here,
Speaker 3: I mean the non muppetized version, but they knew. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: Michael Quina. You know, so we're talking about these magic
Speaker 3: show and die offs and stuff. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: kind of the dude at the epicenter of literal ceremonial
Speaker 3: magic stuff and the Satanism Palima business and the Army
Speaker 3: Siop stuff. So you know, talk about mind, mind war,
Speaker 3: mind fuck whatever you wan look at there. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's that's what we're looking at.
Speaker 4: I think they're actually two different police, the Temple of
Speaker 4: Set and O t O, two different beliefs.
Speaker 3: That's an offshoot. It's a I'm saying they had they.
Speaker 4: I couldn't say that really, Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just
Speaker 4: being totally honest with you. I do not think they
Speaker 4: did know they I don't agree with us the croy
Speaker 4: shits on how it's emotional.
Speaker 3: None of them do, right, That's why they start their
Speaker 3: own thing, right. So, but I'm saying they incorporate practices
Speaker 3: that they learned through the through the through the well.
Speaker 2: Those clemic practices started before A lost the Crowley. It's
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 4: Almost every order that fucks with magic, you're gonna have
Speaker 4: the same basic practices.
Speaker 3: I understand. I just think there's an ode to it
Speaker 3: within these organizations, especially when you see them celebrate Croley Moss.
Speaker 3: Croly Moss has birthday October twelfth.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know who you're saying celebrates that, the
Speaker 2: ot O those.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. These salamic organizations seem to you know,
Speaker 3: seem to venerate that as like almost a Saints day,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Why does the other order do that.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 4: What are you saying? The other one does too? And
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what his birthday had to do with it,
Speaker 4: That's what it means.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying, these thelemic organizations, even if these practices
Speaker 3: go from before Curley, which I ideally understand. Is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, is they still pay homage to Crowley despite
Speaker 3: the you know he's not the inventor of these practices,
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. I realize that I'm saying they
Speaker 3: pay homage to him, is if he's a saint within
Speaker 3: the system.
Speaker 2: No, I don't of them think that.
Speaker 3: Actually, well, man, I don't know that's an accurate depiction.
Speaker 3: That's the way. That's certainly the way my perspective and
Speaker 3: understanding of what I've seen and read. I don't know
Speaker 3: they're gonna say that what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I don't think there's a.
Speaker 2: Therese ones that are actually open and the guy is wrong.
Speaker 3: No, I understand that. I understand that aspect. They have
Speaker 3: their own views. I've understand everyone has their own views
Speaker 3: on how these things need to be done. That's why
Speaker 3: we see so many offshoots and organizations Mormons too. Again,
Speaker 3: it's the ceremonial magic aspect that everyone has their own
Speaker 3: perspective of it. Seems well, they.
Speaker 4: Don't even think he crossed the Abyssal people so that
Speaker 4: he has nothing to say.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm saying, son.
Speaker 3: At the temple of people that were is that the
Speaker 3: key comes of people actually believe that too, because I've
Speaker 3: read the one book I have read on a keynote
Speaker 3: that he wrote. He seems to like Curly, he seems
Speaker 3: to like Croley.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, there's people that are not believe that
Speaker 4: I actually did anything that he said he did.
Speaker 3: I'm fine a lot. I'm just not I think a
Speaker 3: Keno's I would I put him in the curly department
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I don't know about him.
Speaker 4: But I'm just telling you there's people that do not
Speaker 4: believe that guy uh is everything.
Speaker 3: Well, I have no doubt we saw that one with
Speaker 3: that whole war he had right with it formed the
Speaker 3: the one what's the tiphony and folks.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't know why that exactly.
Speaker 3: For, but I understand they had a beef. Right, they
Speaker 3: had an offshoot beef because him and that leader were
Speaker 3: you know, they were going at it, right, I have
Speaker 3: no idea what was it that Kenneth Grant? Is that
Speaker 3: his name? Yes, Oh, there's him from the tales of
Speaker 3: these things. That's what I'm saying. I get, I get
Speaker 3: the fact Curly is not liked by all. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying the practices and homage or to me seem seemed
Speaker 3: to permeate these organizations, these offshoots. Yeah, I understand not
Speaker 3: that the direct option, just like scientology is not a
Speaker 3: direct offshoot of the Gape Lodge. However, it's influenced by
Speaker 3: and admitted so by numerous folks. But I'm just saying
Speaker 3: it's not a direct you know, they're not doing the
Speaker 3: same thing, right like like the String guys for example,
Speaker 3: then Mormonism when they when they went north to Wisconsin
Speaker 3: and found their own mound of their own their own
Speaker 3: golden plates, right Like, it's not the same thing, but
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's essentially the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know me, Well, I could tell you.
Speaker 4: I can tell you Oto is going to use the
Speaker 4: Knox formula, and I can tell you other organizations aren't.
Speaker 4: Because that's his own formula. So if you want to
Speaker 4: start getting into specifics and magical formulas like you're saying,
Speaker 4: I can actually tell you're wrong.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know because you haven't been in one of
Speaker 2: these places.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be addictd but I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: just telling you the truth.
Speaker 3: I'm just in a place.
Speaker 2: You know anything about magic and formulas and rituals. Everybody has.
Speaker 3: I'm just commenting on what I read in the Aquinot
Speaker 3: book that he wrote. That's all I can That's all
Speaker 3: I can comment on. That's a sample. I don't doubt it.
Speaker 3: I don't doubt it.
Speaker 4: And like a lot of people get lumped up into
Speaker 4: this same thing when it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I just the only thing I'm commenting on is,
Speaker 3: you know, staments. Folks make their own accord, right.
Speaker 2: Most of them don't know what they're talking about when
Speaker 2: they do make those statements. Well, it's like at a
Speaker 2: lot of times, like I can see what's going on
Speaker 2: inside of these buildings.
Speaker 3: Hear well, I know, I hear you. I see what
Speaker 3: folks say about Mormon temples. I've been in Mormon temple,
Speaker 3: so I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Ignorance.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm saying I only I'm only stating
Speaker 3: things up folks with their own accord My statements of
Speaker 3: for example, Levey and relationship with Tuesday Welder, only statements
Speaker 3: that LaVey makes himself. So you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I will be the first to say I don't understand
Speaker 3: their magic, nor do I care to, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, It's not my my thing? Right?
Speaker 1: So could I make two quick points? Absolutely, Jimmy Page,
Speaker 1: we loved Alaster Crowley.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. These people tell tell us they do, right,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the I focused on
Speaker 3: the people that are willing to tell me, like I
Speaker 3: like to do some Crowley. I like Crowley stuff to
Speaker 3: to have those imaginations of the Crowley stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 3: I don't know you necessarily right, but I'm willing to
Speaker 3: take their words for it.
Speaker 1: Didn't I mean, they said what was the rumor with
Speaker 1: what's the name John Bonham's death that they said that
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page was performing some sort of ritual that yeah,
Speaker 1: that bottom that bottom died from alcohol poisoning or choking.
Speaker 1: The death on his own bombit something like that they
Speaker 1: said that my.
Speaker 4: Uncle's friend actually was literally in that dude's house and
Speaker 4: he said the guy had the fucking ship all on
Speaker 4: the floor and everything, and he had the fucking stuff
Speaker 4: thrown on the floor, like the was no joke into
Speaker 4: the ship.
Speaker 1: M And then I just finished I think it was
Speaker 1: last week. Uh, based off of one of your shows, Uh,
Speaker 1: the you Call to Elvis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Miguill's Connor.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, So I got to the review company that
Speaker 1: I've been with the longest. They sent out like a
Speaker 1: list and they let me choose and it was on
Speaker 1: the list, and I was like, oh, I'm putting in.
Speaker 1: I'm putting in. And I got it and I read
Speaker 1: it and it was like one of the best parts
Speaker 1: of it is the one religion that Elvis I thought
Speaker 1: was bullshit scientology, which of course his wife and his
Speaker 1: daughter Paul Joy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So I kind of brought
Speaker 3: that up to Miguil because there's an infamous story of
Speaker 3: where Elvis had it out with l Ron. I don't
Speaker 3: know there's validity to it, but again, it seems to
Speaker 3: be somewhat of alid because you know, Elvis did seem
Speaker 3: to have some early relations with scientology along with Priscilla, right, so,
Speaker 3: and she was a lifelong scientologist.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I mean that didn't like it book, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He thought it was just, I mean, just
Speaker 1: a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 3: There's there's you all go ahead. No, no, no, Well,
Speaker 3: here's what that concerns me, because you know, this whole
Speaker 3: off shoot of the scientology, this processed church situation. Right,
Speaker 3: He's way too close to that circumstance for me to
Speaker 3: you know. For I'm just saying like he's got a
Speaker 3: lot of friends that have that same, like at least
Speaker 3: forward attitude towards scientology at the time because he's his
Speaker 3: spiritual guide. Elvis a spiritual guide and and would travel
Speaker 3: with him. Was Jay C. Brings hair salon business partner
Speaker 3: in ostensibly drug trafficking business partner. Were you aware of that, Keller,
Speaker 3: I'll give me one second, or I will bring up
Speaker 3: his name for you. I am terrible with names. But
Speaker 3: we learned this from Miguel Connor. Like I had never
Speaker 3: as much Manson stuff I had read about. Again, Manson
Speaker 3: and I are you know, we're we're distant cousins. But
Speaker 3: I you know, we're Maynards from Pikeville, Kentucky. You know,
Speaker 3: as I've had a number of interests over the years,
Speaker 3: even looking into the Manson stuff, I've never heard any
Speaker 3: connections to Elvis. So when Miguel McGill connor dropped out
Speaker 3: on us, I was like, what in the world that's
Speaker 3: that's fascinating. I got to look more into that, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to that story apparently, and uh,
Speaker 3: here we go, Well, what's it? Here we go Elvis
Speaker 3: Charles Manson, Elvis's hairstylist in the Memphis connection. All right,
Speaker 3: So that's not it. It goes on to say that is, uh,
Speaker 3: let's see here, I don't I definitely don't remember the
Speaker 3: guy's name. Yeah, Larry Gailler. Good, well done, sir, well done. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it says. But it was Presley's longtime friendship with
Speaker 3: Larry Gailler that provided perhaps the most interesting and largely
Speaker 3: overlooked connection between Memphis in the southern California world. That
Speaker 3: was the settling for the infamous nineteen sixty nine mass
Speaker 3: murders of Manson's family of followers. So Geller was a
Speaker 3: Hollywood hairstylist who worked with a list celebrities Frank Sinatra,
Speaker 3: Paul Newman, Marlin Branda, Peter Sellers, and many others now
Speaker 3: on that list. I would say all of those folks
Speaker 3: are names have been associated with the Manson family, Sinatra, Newman, Brandon,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Marlon Brandow, and Peter Seller's right. Peter Seller's uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're familiar with that, that narrative, right,
Speaker 3: that the whole you know, I don't know. He was
Speaker 3: on some of those videos that no one want. He
Speaker 3: didn't want out right, they were filmed with the Tate
Speaker 3: Planski him allegedly well he uh.
Speaker 1: One of the stories I read about him, because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen much with him. I've saw Doctor Strange Love,
Speaker 1: which is brilliant, Panther and I saw I've never seen
Speaker 1: the Pink Panther movies.
Speaker 3: Oh they're massively terrible, but I mean I've seen too.
Speaker 1: And I saw being there, the one that was written
Speaker 1: by Polanski's buddy Jersey Kazinski, because I know Dane has
Speaker 1: spoken about him before.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's an interesting topic, is it not?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the fact that Sellers in the sixties had
Speaker 1: I think they said six heart attacks off amio nitrate.
Speaker 3: No ship, Well there you go. That's those Phil Those
Speaker 3: are the videos you know, once again you know exactly
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. So those are the videos that
Speaker 3: they didn't want out right, yep amal nitrates obviously, Uh
Speaker 3: what they's prominent within the community. I believe they call
Speaker 3: it poppers? Is it poppers?
Speaker 1: Yeah? They actually initially when AIDS first came out, they
Speaker 1: thought it was something related to able nitrate poppers.
Speaker 3: I'm not, Well, here's the deal. I'm not convinced that
Speaker 3: that's not playing a role in destroying folks immune system.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're huffing this weird chemical stuff. You mean
Speaker 3: to tell me that's not going to have long term effects.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's the direct cause. I'm saying, you
Speaker 3: mean to tell me something to have long term effects?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, definitely would.
Speaker 3: I mean, but that again, it sounds like Peter Zeller's
Speaker 3: it did, right. You said, how many strokes you have?
Speaker 1: Six heart attacks?
Speaker 3: Or how many the six heart attacks? Holy shit?
Speaker 1: There? In what instance.
Speaker 3: Reminds me of Chris Farley's character from The The Bears.
Speaker 3: There in the Saturday Night Line, and it was always
Speaker 3: getting a heart attack, right.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, it's uh, I mean that's insane or
Speaker 1: like I mean, like I said, Bob Evans had the
Speaker 1: three strokes that and then is ninety eight and crazy
Speaker 1: enough his right, I think a couple of rooms over
Speaker 1: right next to his room Cedar Sinai in California was
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra. Sinatra died right next to Robert Up. He
Speaker 1: didn't even know until him and his son were watching
Speaker 1: the Seinfeld finale in his hospital room and the news
Speaker 1: broke in and say, Frank Sinatra died.
Speaker 3: And Cocaine's drug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cocain's a hell of a drug, Rick J.
Speaker 3: So what do you know about this Galler fellow? What's
Speaker 3: what's his deal? Soy like, because he first meets Elvis
Speaker 3: in sixty four and then they become fast friends, he
Speaker 3: becomes a spiritual god and mentor they start traveling. He
Speaker 3: starts traveling with Elvis, So what's the deal he?
Speaker 1: You know, they bond over like theological and you know,
Speaker 1: esoteric religion, you know, religious discussions. But I knew at
Speaker 1: some point, I mean I know, at some point I
Speaker 1: should say, based off Miguel's great research, that at some
Speaker 1: point the Memphis Mafia, you know, the good buddies of
Speaker 1: Elvis and Priscilla and the Colonel did not like this guy.
Speaker 1: First of all. They also didn't like the fact that
Speaker 1: Elvis could get so, you know, pensive on religion and
Speaker 1: all these topics. And at some point they.
Speaker 3: Kind of like he's kind of influential, right, so you
Speaker 3: kind of like, there's gonna be certain folks that want
Speaker 3: to dictate what he's saying to folks, right, So what
Speaker 3: you're saying makes a lot of sense of thinking that
Speaker 3: regardless if I may interject there, sir.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely, I think you know. And
Speaker 1: this is one of the things when I was as
Speaker 1: I was kind of like with every book I do
Speaker 1: that I do a review on, I take notes, and
Speaker 1: all I could think of is, like Elvis, all he
Speaker 1: wanted was like peace of mind. He wanted like that,
Speaker 1: you know, mental just kind of like break and well,
Speaker 1: everybody wants a piece of them, whether it be the Colonel,
Speaker 1: who basically I heard was a degenerate, degenerate gambler and
Speaker 1: died broke to whatever time Priscilla wanted.
Speaker 3: From him and his father, Colonel Tom Barber YEP, Colonel
Speaker 3: Tom Partner was he Ananzi.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was. I know he wasn't American.
Speaker 3: No one does, right, that's not no one knows what
Speaker 3: it was now nobody else.
Speaker 1: And they say Tom Hanks's accent in the movie was horrific.
Speaker 3: But he kept Elvis' career going. You know, Elvis recorded
Speaker 3: a bunch of albams where he went the army, and
Speaker 3: he kept his career going. And this is the dude
Speaker 3: who was behind Elvis this entire musical career, at least
Speaker 3: right he was, I.
Speaker 1: Mean a big part of it. And then towards the
Speaker 1: tail end, one of the big influences was a producer
Speaker 1: named Jerry Wintrop, who later on produced some of Sinatra shows.
Speaker 1: And at one point, there's one of the stories because
Speaker 1: I read Wintrop's on a biography which is called You'll Know.
Speaker 1: I think it is You'll Know I'm dead when I
Speaker 1: stopped talking something along those lines.
Speaker 3: And well, it's funny, it's funny you mentioned Sinatra, because
Speaker 3: it is allegedly Sinatra who gives Helvis the green light
Speaker 3: to be back in the biz, if you will, when
Speaker 3: he once he gets back from his army service. Because
Speaker 3: a lot of folks were apparently threatened that he was
Speaker 3: a bit of a wild card, right, so you know,
Speaker 3: you know you'll see him come back and do this
Speaker 3: famous show with Sinatra. W But they're both on stage
Speaker 3: looking all hum me and singing each other songs and
Speaker 3: you know, in each other's faces, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: this is a bit weird. So and you know, I
Speaker 3: thought that was a bit odd until I found out
Speaker 3: later how Sinatra was deeply connected to this, you know,
Speaker 3: the same circle of folks cultists around the Manson family, right,
Speaker 3: and so is Elvis. So these relations no longer seems
Speaker 3: so anomalous to me. Yep.
Speaker 1: And then now here's another you know, connection is the
Speaker 1: fact that Sea Bring serves as the inspiration for Warren
Speaker 1: Batty's character in the movie Shampoo. Yes, sir, and Warren
Speaker 1: Beatty is good friends with Bob Evans. Bob made his career,
Speaker 1: you are correct. And also I believe the guy who
Speaker 1: wrote the screenplay for Shampoo was Robert Town who uh
Speaker 1: wrote Chinatown.
Speaker 3: You started batting three for three? Not in it? Right? Chinatown?
Speaker 1: He was?
Speaker 3: He was Bob Evans, you know, old Cocaine, Bob's go
Speaker 3: to script doctor too, right, Like he was the guy
Speaker 3: he always wanted to work with him, right, he always
Speaker 3: wanted to work with Robert town and Polanski. These were
Speaker 3: you know, he was these was trusted circle, right, Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando, you know, these are his trusted circle of folks.
Speaker 3: You know there's a you know, he's got a number
Speaker 3: of he's got a stable of actors that he that
Speaker 3: he promoted directors as well, Coppola. It's weird to me.
Speaker 3: So you see all these people like Baby, like Toywn
Speaker 3: like Copla, all these folks Cocaine Bob's relations with I
Speaker 3: just drew a blank. Russ not Russ Corman, the other
Speaker 3: fellow that did the Roger Corman. There we go. I
Speaker 3: was thinking I was mixing Russ Meyer and Roger Corman. Rott,
Speaker 3: thank you, Roger Corman. Everyone gets to start with Roger
Speaker 3: Corman before they get their their their Cocaine Bob, you
Speaker 3: know chance right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Roger Corman was a little Choppa Horrors
Speaker 1: and you know, just a lot of those cheesy early
Speaker 1: sixties movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Rus Meyer was here's the one I think he did,
Speaker 1: what was it? Trying to remember the one second beyond
Speaker 1: the Valley of the Dolls he did the movies with
Speaker 1: like The Big Breast of Women was well, that was Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: That was a Seinfeld thing at one point, too, all.
Speaker 3: Right, they both did right because Corman did the Nurses
Speaker 3: movies too, right.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a thing at one point where certain
Speaker 1: directors getting their start had to do either like a
Speaker 1: slasher movie or did a cheesy like softcore porn movie
Speaker 1: like I've been rightman who did Ghostbusters did? I think
Speaker 1: it's called Cannibal Girls or something like that.
Speaker 3: That's precisely what I'm talking about. So I see this
Speaker 3: epicenter of activity surrounding Cocaine Bob, surrounding his buddy Corman,
Speaker 3: who still I believe is alive and very powerful within
Speaker 3: the industry or had been in recent years still, And
Speaker 3: they're the ones give them to start to all these folks, right,
Speaker 3: And the financing for I think a lot of Korman's movies,
Speaker 3: much like Cocaine Bobs, are coming from folks like the
Speaker 3: Columbo crime family.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me in the least, not at all. And
Speaker 1: speaking of the Columbos, it just came up. There is
Speaker 1: bidding war going on for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise.
Speaker 3: Precisely one of the ones I'm talking about right there,
Speaker 3: as you can see, that's one of the ones that
Speaker 3: it's well documented they finance right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nobody may made a dollar from that in
Speaker 1: terms of the actual like actors and directors until I
Speaker 1: think New Line bought the New Line Cinema bought the
Speaker 1: rights in the eighties because they had to fight for it.
Speaker 1: And Brian's I think it was Brianston Pictures of whatever
Speaker 1: it's called. The distribution company run by the Perino brothers
Speaker 1: who also did Deep Throat, had stolen money and yeah,
Speaker 1: took Tobey Hooper and all those guys well over a
Speaker 1: decade to finally collect money. And I don't even think
Speaker 1: the actors got much out of anything. Kind of like
Speaker 1: the actress from Deep Throat, that happens a lot.
Speaker 3: Gilligan. Gilligan never made a dime from Gilligan's Island. Did
Speaker 3: you know that that sounds that was?
Speaker 1: That was Sherwood Sherwood Schwartz who did the Brady Bunch,
Speaker 1: the Brady Kids never got a dime like in residuals.
Speaker 3: And that producer was he's one fat cat wright And
Speaker 3: none of them actors ever got any royalties.
Speaker 2: Yo, one of those people.
Speaker 3: Just imagine how many times those shows would played Gilligan's
Speaker 3: Island and Brady Childhood.
Speaker 2: It was so it's insane, and by then it was
Speaker 2: already like a classic.
Speaker 3: Years old by then, right years old.
Speaker 2: By that point that parents are looking at was watching
Speaker 2: that shit young.
Speaker 1: But that's why you got to like look into some
Speaker 1: of these things, like it's I remember reading this.
Speaker 3: This was so weird.
Speaker 1: I remember reading so one of my one of my
Speaker 1: favorite bands was like an obscure band from Memphis, Big Star,
Speaker 1: and they did the song in the Street that became
Speaker 1: the theme song to that seventies show. Now get back
Speaker 1: to college aspect of things, and I'll give you another
Speaker 1: connection in a second. But the song got covered. I
Speaker 1: don't know who did it the first season, but later
Speaker 1: on it was Cheap Trick covered it and they interviewed
Speaker 1: the lead singer a Big Star, Alex Chilton, about it,
Speaker 1: who was also the lead singer of the Box Tops
Speaker 1: at one point, and he's like, I don't know. He's like,
Speaker 1: all I know is every time that show airs, I
Speaker 1: got a check for seventy five dollars. Now thinking how
Speaker 1: big that show was. At one point, Syndication now, Alex
Speaker 1: Chilton's been dead since twenty ten. He didn't have any
Speaker 1: health insurance and died of a heart attack.
Speaker 3: Was it the cocaine?
Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't grow.
Speaker 2: You need a sample?
Speaker 1: And uh he Actually there's a story. There's a great
Speaker 1: book called every I think it's called Everybody Loves You
Speaker 1: when You're Dead, and it's about this guy, Neil Strauss,
Speaker 1: and it was like these assorted tales and like music
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and one talks about Alex Chilton
Speaker 1: going up and basically bringing groceries to Dennis Wilson's house
Speaker 1: and it was when the Mansons were there.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you robbed the Wilson's. I say it was
Speaker 3: saving them for last. But Brian Wilson died this week obviously,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to get into a little bit of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago, right, Uh yeah, yeah, something
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, well you.
Speaker 1: Guy didn't What was that sly Stone from sly in
Speaker 1: the Family Stone?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, is this Semester salandad? No, sly Stone the
Speaker 3: everyday people dance to the music, you know, totally totally
Speaker 3: unrelated from Sylvester Saloon. Is what you're saying, not a
Speaker 3: stillone still, I think so. I mean, I mean guy
Speaker 3: had a good head of hair too. They said he
Speaker 3: had just finished. He just finished to him like the
Speaker 3: screenplay of his life, and he passed away from uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was cancer. I think it was
Speaker 1: another long disease.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I showed you this last time.
Speaker 3: You hear Phield? But whose son? Do you think that
Speaker 3: isn't the right?
Speaker 1: Well, that's stage stallone, but that again all allegedly.
Speaker 3: Looks a lot like John Travolta. So with Gay, well,
Speaker 3: I think that's with this whole group of these cultures especially.
Speaker 3: I just don't think there's sexuality is a thing with
Speaker 3: him right, Like it's more of a fluid thing.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he might just be anything that moves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's sticking one to wear? Is this that's an afterthought?
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 1: I think the woman who it was a woman who
Speaker 1: got him into scientology when he did her Plastic Bubble.
Speaker 1: I think it was his co star in that.
Speaker 3: And she was in the Devil's Brain with Old Anton
Speaker 3: Levey as a technical advisor, starring none of them Bill Shantner,
Speaker 3: Bill Shatner, well, Billy shats So when speaking of all
Speaker 3: the scientology of seventies films and Roger Corman. Have you
Speaker 3: seen the film.
Speaker 1: Just You're You're Back?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 3: Have you seen the film Get Shorty?
Speaker 1: I loved that movie a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Oh, great movie, Dudel.
Speaker 1: Sony, so many great performances in that.
Speaker 3: So not only is this one of the films on
Speaker 3: my list of the reasons why I think Gene Hackman
Speaker 3: was a sign intologists, because you can only act opposite
Speaker 3: a sign another scientologist so many times from on that list,
Speaker 3: you know, Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Johnstrable to the list
Speaker 3: goes on. So I do love the film on the list,
Speaker 3: but the the character he plays in there, in my
Speaker 3: opinion is Roger is a party of Roger Corman, right,
Speaker 3: you know. And and the drug money, yeah, and the
Speaker 3: drug money you see that's in there, right, you see
Speaker 3: the you see the the median cartel kind of the
Speaker 3: South Americans kind of represented them there, right, you see.
Speaker 3: The you see the local uh not so much a time.
Speaker 3: You see a local mafia operations that are well, you know,
Speaker 3: so you see these times because that's who ray bar
Speaker 3: Bone works for, you know, Ray bar Bone, and he
Speaker 3: represents the families though out in LA That's what he's
Speaker 3: coming out there. He tells me, I'm out here representing
Speaker 3: the families, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I mean, that was a that was
Speaker 1: a great movie.
Speaker 3: And I think them, oh it's great, it's real great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's I think we're seeing a peek into
Speaker 3: the action, right, Like that's kind you know with Cocaine Bob. Right,
Speaker 3: that's kind of the environment Cocaine Bob was operating, and
Speaker 3: right when he's trying to finance the Cotton Club movies,
Speaker 3: we see the same kind of situation. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying there was a travolt guy in the mix
Speaker 3: of that. I'm just saying, like the narrative, the overall
Speaker 3: narrative we see and gets short. He's the environment painted
Speaker 3: where the same environment that finds Royan raid and murdered
Speaker 3: when Bob Cocaine Evans and his co constituents, Uh you
Speaker 3: know the Median cartel that is in prison today. The
Speaker 3: wife of the head of the Median Cartel in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think what's name? So that was get shut.
Speaker 1: It was based off an Elmore Leonard book, and I
Speaker 1: think Elmore Leonard, you know, Detroit guy. But I think
Speaker 1: he was he was tuned into the corruption in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: He was locked in. Huh.
Speaker 1: He went from writing westerns because he did three ten
Speaker 1: to Yuma, the one that they redid with him the
Speaker 1: l and Russell Crowe.
Speaker 3: That was pretty good for a Russell Crowe film. That
Speaker 3: was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you know he had done somebody else,
Speaker 1: I mean, Get Shorty. And then he did the sequel,
Speaker 1: which was be Cool.
Speaker 3: I never saw that one, but it did helssing. You're
Speaker 3: not Phil, You're not missing anything. Be Cool is I mean,
Speaker 3: as far as sequels go, it's one of the worst.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also did that one, Justified. That was the one
Speaker 1: that the Rock was in, right, I think rock.
Speaker 2: What was the name of it again?
Speaker 3: Be Cool?
Speaker 2: Be Cool?
Speaker 3: There's there's I'll just leave it at this. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of new Obbians in that film, Nick, with a
Speaker 3: lot of scientologists.
Speaker 2: Oh you should cover we should go it's.
Speaker 3: I mean it would be funny at least, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It might not just be
Speaker 2: into dating. Yeah no, no, I never saw that.
Speaker 4: I Uh.
Speaker 2: I remember when I came out.
Speaker 3: I was just like the city, like they did a
Speaker 3: bad job at even sequels. I mean, just like the
Speaker 3: This is Terrible, Yeah, It's not good.
Speaker 1: Which which was the backstory I think to be cool
Speaker 1: is that it's after Chili Palmer, you know, tribolpous character
Speaker 1: decides to do a sequel to the movie that they
Speaker 1: show with the end of the movie and it bombs,
Speaker 1: and then he gets involved in a whole record thing,
Speaker 1: and you got Vince Fallen who plays some sort of
Speaker 1: like half assed gangster. And I think the Rock plays.
Speaker 1: I think the Rock almost plays like another version of
Speaker 1: James Gandalfini's character from the first one.
Speaker 3: Hey, they were trying to do that, right, but aren't
Speaker 3: they kind of giving us a kind of a little
Speaker 3: look behind the scenes of Oh disregard. I think I
Speaker 3: just mashed together two films. I mashed together the plot
Speaker 3: line of that film in a Hollywood homicide in my
Speaker 3: brain hole, because maybe I'm wrong. They one of them.
Speaker 3: It seems like it's death Row Records, right, but I
Speaker 3: think that's.
Speaker 1: That might have been the one with Harrison Ford and
Speaker 1: Josh Hartnett.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Dwight Yoakum. Actually, Dwight Yoakam plays a pretty
Speaker 3: in Your Dirty Cops.
Speaker 1: In panic room. I remember that, and I think it
Speaker 1: was a sling blade. See my frozen You're good now,
Speaker 1: good now.
Speaker 2: And I frozen, solling prophecy. There we go, you're back.
Speaker 2: I'm back, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've between these interruptions, I forgot where we at?
Speaker 3: Can we circle back to Elvis?
Speaker 1: Yes, let's go back to Elvis.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what we're at? Where else we're at?
Speaker 3: There again, I'm i'm my brain hole is going in
Speaker 3: out with my interweb's connection here. Apparently, so you.
Speaker 1: Said scientology, scientology freezes.
Speaker 3: It's the magic word. And you can't say that Xenia will.
Speaker 3: Xenia will smite us all phil Xenia will. So there's
Speaker 3: a fellow who's involved. I know he's Boyd Rice is underling.
Speaker 3: I think Boyd Rice is Church of Satan now, so
Speaker 3: I think this is the Church of Satan. Guys, Michael moynihan,
Speaker 3: you know he threatened your Bush number one when he
Speaker 3: was the President's Secret Service, did investigation, No big deal.
Speaker 3: Boyd Rice did the same thing when he delivered a
Speaker 3: pig's head to the wife of Gerald Carter when when
Speaker 3: he was president. Something about these guys like to go
Speaker 3: threatened presidents. It's weird to me, you know, the Manson
Speaker 3: girls who try to shoot you Ford. Also, all these
Speaker 3: things seem very strange to me, that it's an odd
Speaker 3: crew that does these things. Moyna Han's up. I suppose
Speaker 3: he goes by a Manson scholar. I think he's involved
Speaker 3: with Nicholas Shrek in writing some of those Manson chronologies
Speaker 3: and since the eighties or so, so that this was
Speaker 3: an interview that moyni Han did with in that series,
Speaker 3: I believe, with Manson Beck and you know, like they
Speaker 3: were actually visiting Manson and doing these interviews face to face,
Speaker 3: I believe you nineteen ninety five. So in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: five they talk about Elvis. No shit. So I never
Speaker 3: knew these things existed until Miguel Connor you know, pointed
Speaker 3: these things out in my directions, you know. And that
Speaker 3: is the cult Elvis stuff. That was a great get
Speaker 3: great show folks to check out Cult Rejects with Miguel
Speaker 3: Connor there, and oh yeah, that was I was telling you, dude.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, dude, I think that you.
Speaker 2: Human you should do like a spin off of that,
Speaker 2: but kind of like look at it in a different way.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, sir, I don't go after that sounds
Speaker 3: like a future recult reaching.
Speaker 2: Non biased look at Elvis. I think it would be
Speaker 2: really fucking interesting.
Speaker 3: I think Julia has some good insights too. She brings
Speaker 3: a lot to the table on this subject as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she looked at this subject a long time.
Speaker 1: She's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Dude. Anytime someone brings some new Charles Manson stuff to
Speaker 3: my face here in my brain hole, which that's what
Speaker 3: happened here with Miguel Connor, because it hit me in
Speaker 3: the face like a brick wall. Dude, I was like,
Speaker 3: what's going on right now? Did you say Elvis Presley
Speaker 3: and Charles Manson the same sentence? I was like, what happened?
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, that don't sound good at all.
Speaker 3: Now, sure, ship, it's a thing.
Speaker 2: It's a thing like yelly, a way to contact each other.
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't seem like they should be in the
Speaker 3: same circle. But checked out this quote from Manson here, right,
Speaker 3: so he you know they're doing this interview with mooyn
Speaker 3: in a hand It says that you actually hang out
Speaker 3: with him? Sure, why not? I hang out with all
Speaker 3: of them people. That's my neighborhood. I lived in Elvis
Speaker 3: Presley's house. Man, he ran me out of the yard.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I started talking like what I
Speaker 3: presumed Charles Manson. This sounded like I lived in Elvis
Speaker 3: Presley's house. Man, he ran me out of the yard.
Speaker 3: I got mad at him. I was going to throw
Speaker 3: some rocks at him because I thought he was an idiot.
Speaker 3: He's an egotistical, fucking punk. I never liked him even
Speaker 3: a little bit, but everybody else always always cowtow to
Speaker 3: him because he was rich and everything. But to me,
Speaker 3: that only shit. I don't go a fuck how rich
Speaker 3: you are, I'll bust you up anyway. And I believe
Speaker 3: Charles Manson that was his ad. Just the man who
Speaker 3: grew up in prison and stuff like that. That's you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't give a shit about money, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But according to him, he lived in the bel Air
Speaker 3: home of Elvis Presley and kicked his ass out in
Speaker 3: the yard because he's a little bit. Whether or not
Speaker 3: that's true or not, I don't know, But.
Speaker 2: Yo, did he eventually did he eventually go to the
Speaker 2: Manson Murdo? Did he eventually go to that mar Yeah?
Speaker 2: That was right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it again within days that long ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was like, Yo.
Speaker 4: If I would have been asked that ship, that would
Speaker 4: have been like, Yo, we gotta spread this out a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 2: Fa because it's gonna look real. Suspect show up a
Speaker 2: few days later, nobody's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be like what the fuck exactly, it's a two months
Speaker 3: You gotta put your you gotta put your feet in
Speaker 3: those you know, those blue sweat shoes. What was Elvis
Speaker 3: doing there and what was his concern? What was his motivations?
Speaker 2: Fast to right?
Speaker 1: But let's also like just think though, back in the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, I'm pretty sure the l a p D
Speaker 1: Was not that keen on keeping crime scene. Like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure those crime scenes were almost like a fucking picnic,
Speaker 1: you know, like just to bring people for it. Wasn't
Speaker 1: that sort of we gotta.
Speaker 3: Do that that, you know, the whole phil when Philip
Speaker 3: Van Adams on the job, you know, they were.
Speaker 1: Phil that when you took When I heard your show
Speaker 1: on that, I was like, holy shit, is that all right?
Speaker 3: Richard Wally was also there. He was the first guy
Speaker 3: on see it at the Tate Polanski House. He's the
Speaker 3: first officer On scene at Nicole Brown Simpson.
Speaker 2: You know, if you think about it, regardless the bodies
Speaker 2: being moved rid of it.
Speaker 4: But like I would even say the Idaho four case
Speaker 4: and that that case, it's almost like the same deal
Speaker 4: with the fuckery off people just walking around ship, people.
Speaker 2: Being there for a while before anything was really gone.
Speaker 3: Dude. I actually was very close I think to when
Speaker 3: I was doing that analysis their day and writing for
Speaker 3: a future show, comparing the actual crime scenes of the
Speaker 3: forensic just a pure forensic of both all these scenes.
Speaker 3: You hit it, You hit it right on the head.
Speaker 3: There's or that is exactly the same thing we see
Speaker 3: in the Manson scene, the oj S, the Orental James
Speaker 3: Simpson scene, or Nicole Brown Simpson and Wrong Golden scene
Speaker 3: and the Idaho four scenes. So again we see the
Speaker 3: same people, same playbooks, and the forensics are all and
Speaker 3: it's just it's one. It's all the same fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like a script you can see being replayed,
Speaker 2: I think almost.
Speaker 3: And when you how they do this, I think, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: And when you got cocaine, Bob's buddy on the job
Speaker 3: for running the propaganda, Old Graydon Carter and airmail and
Speaker 3: ploying Howard Bloom. Then then you know you got yourself
Speaker 3: a nice uh, you got yourself a nice cover up
Speaker 3: going on here.
Speaker 2: I mean just from things that I've I've looked at
Speaker 2: and then things I've heard you talk about. It's just
Speaker 2: like I just thought, this just seems stretching.
Speaker 3: Dude. It's dude. It's identical to the way the Island
Speaker 3: one calls go down. Dude. So let if I made
Speaker 3: this real quick on that comparison, because you do bring
Speaker 3: up a great point there, Nick, So the Oldel James
Speaker 3: Simpson case at ten thirty two pm from ten forty
Speaker 3: two pm, a quarter of the state of California. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna geek out for a moment. Caine's ins over
Speaker 3: a Kane Be's the Purge. He's instituted a geek meter,
Speaker 3: geek geek off meter for me, so you know, he
Speaker 3: tries to bring me down a couple of notches. My
Speaker 3: start wild wild, right. But so the the story goes
Speaker 3: the same as it does Idaho, right, So that the
Speaker 3: crimes occur from ten thirty two to ten forty two.
Speaker 3: I would argue as early as ten twenty per sem
Speaker 3: eyewitness and ear witness accounts of the case. But this
Speaker 3: is Nicole Brown Simpson around Goldman. In fact, this was
Speaker 3: precisely this is the anniversary. This occurred on the night
Speaker 3: of June twelfth, and the police did not respond. Officer
Speaker 3: Wally did not respond until twelve seventeen am on the thirteenth.
Speaker 3: So this was June thirteenth, nineteen ninety four. Right. That's
Speaker 3: the same officer that was the first unseen at the
Speaker 3: Tate House on August tenth, nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, and again we see them responding to the scene,
Speaker 3: not for a murder. Despite this is almost two hours
Speaker 3: after the murder occurred, and almost, I would argue, precisely
Speaker 3: almost two hours after the murder occurred. They're on the
Speaker 3: Bundie residence of Nicole Brown Simpson. They go there for
Speaker 3: a robbery in progress. No, there's no noises being made anymore,
Speaker 3: there's no robbery in progress. They go there and they
Speaker 3: find Nicole Brown Simpson's neighbor holding her dog over her
Speaker 3: dead body. So the that's a mystery. It's like when
Speaker 3: they go to the Idaho right eight hours after the
Speaker 3: you know, so this is two hours later. That's eight
Speaker 3: hours later. In Idaho, right, But it's like you're saying,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing, same fucking thing. And then by
Speaker 3: the time anyone, any any cops get there, right, and
Speaker 3: you know, after this weird so that the Idaho calls
Speaker 3: for an unconscious person, it may as well be as
Speaker 3: ignorant as the robbery in progress from shit that went
Speaker 3: down two hours earlier. So you see the same thing,
Speaker 3: though the scenes get trampled and evidence is destroyed before
Speaker 3: shit is collected. So down down to the same thing
Speaker 3: with the DNA evidence under the fingernails of victim Madison
Speaker 3: Mogan and the Idaho case, and the DNA under the
Speaker 3: fingernails of Nicole Brown Simpson, and the blood that was
Speaker 3: on her that was not that was tested and it
Speaker 3: was not Orental James Simpson's blood. So we see the
Speaker 3: same thing. We see blood evidence in both cases being ignored.
Speaker 3: We see evidence of what seems to be a struggle
Speaker 3: with a victim with the DNA and her fingernails being
Speaker 3: ignored in both cases. See you are correct, or it's
Speaker 3: it's fucking literally the same m And they even have
Speaker 3: one more thing, if I may, They even have a
Speaker 3: DNA witness, a DNA expert from the Oriental J. Simpson
Speaker 3: Defense team testifying for Brian Coburger. Doctor Danielle Wolf. She's
Speaker 3: a medical examiner now out of Florida and pathologist. How
Speaker 3: fucking weird is that? Man?
Speaker 2: That's crazy?
Speaker 1: Well, another I'm thinking in terms of weird graphic crime
Speaker 1: scene where there was like total trampling of evidence would
Speaker 1: be the Jeffrey McDonald's case. He read my mind with
Speaker 1: suspect evidence. The blonde hair. You know that they've never
Speaker 1: been able to explain that they tried to match the
Speaker 1: to the girls dolls and they're never able to and
Speaker 1: instead of a synthetic and some said it might have
Speaker 1: been Helena Stokely's hair or wig or something like that,
Speaker 1: and that whole I mean, there's a the fact that
Speaker 1: they weren't even willing to consider it, and the fact
Speaker 1: that MacDonald, who's got to be in his eighties now,
Speaker 1: still won't He still will not admit guilt. He still
Speaker 1: maintains his innocence. And I went from believing he was
Speaker 1: dead to rights guilty to I think he got framed.
Speaker 3: And let me let me add a little bit of
Speaker 3: let me add little sprinkles on the Sunday you just
Speaker 3: made their built. So we were talking about Gunderson earlier,
Speaker 3: and I find it very question. The first thing Gunderson
Speaker 3: does is take on this case, pardon me. He then
Speaker 3: gets the prost literally the processed church of the final
Speaker 3: judgment's attorney John Markham involved, and John Markham and uh
Speaker 3: Alan Dershowitz go on to go ahead and extinguish the
Speaker 3: appeals of Jeffrey McDonald and I would say, in a
Speaker 3: fashion that was ensuring that they weren't going to win
Speaker 3: and he would have nothing to fight for later.
Speaker 1: Should Yeah, it's it's tough to tell where Gunderson truly
Speaker 1: lays it in a lot of these things. Was he
Speaker 1: someone who was trying to get answers or was he
Speaker 1: someone who's like a double agent of things. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a guy who was like I think ran
Speaker 1: the La LA office of the FBI. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was like someone high up in the FBI. And then
Speaker 1: you know, becomes a guy who talks about satanic ritual
Speaker 1: abuse and gets I think even consultant in terms of
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. I know because I've spoken to who is it,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Terry Yeeke's wife who's on Twitter a lot, Kanya
Speaker 1: and she still stands by Gunderson's work. I mean there's
Speaker 1: people who are good with his work and others who
Speaker 1: believe that he was, you know, like almost like a
Speaker 1: spooke you know, just a intelligence asset one form or another.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, if I may add to that point, would
Speaker 3: you believe I'm sure you since you followed Dana Dudo
Speaker 3: and Ronnie Jules TwixT account over there. Specifically in her work,
Speaker 3: she recently uncovered a document from June fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 3: at the Straight Theater in the Hayden, Nashbury that puts
Speaker 3: the Grateful Dead that is their manager's son at the
Speaker 3: manager at the time and president of their music publishing
Speaker 3: company was a fellow by the name of Alan trist
Speaker 3: the son of Eric Trust, the founder of Tavistock. So
Speaker 3: we've got Tavistock, the Grateful Dead. Michael Racana Shudo is
Speaker 3: a stage hand in this performance, and Charles Manson is
Speaker 3: a technical person in this performance on the backstage. So
Speaker 3: we have all that. We've got Michael Orcana Shooto, Charles
Speaker 3: Manson and the Grateful Dead in the same place in
Speaker 3: the Street Theater in June fifteen, nineteen sixty seven, and
Speaker 3: the reason why that's important to Gunderson is because Riconda
Speaker 3: Shoodo was the co intel prooperative reporting to Gunderson on
Speaker 3: the activities of the process and Manson and the hate
Speaker 3: Nashbury at this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's after a while, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: when is it no longer a coincidence?
Speaker 3: And yeah, so for sure, but when is it? Like
Speaker 3: because Gunderson's like, oh, the Satanics, I've never heard of it.
Speaker 3: Let me let me learn about these things. Really ted,
Speaker 3: it sounds like you're going back to the late sixties
Speaker 3: deep Intoto studying the Satanic cold activity.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he might have been, Yeah, he might have
Speaker 1: been blowing smoke.
Speaker 3: And it's how does the hire of the processed Church's
Speaker 3: attorney for Jeffer McDonald, how does that go down? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No idea is he is he? Is he fooled? Because
Speaker 3: if he's fulled, he's not a very good detective. Phil. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying. I'm not trying to minisure anyone else's
Speaker 3: opinion of gunners. And I'm just saying, as it's a
Speaker 3: former private detective myself, I'm like, it's not a very
Speaker 3: good detective. If he didn't you know, you know, he
Speaker 3: didn't look into that. Yeah. From day one, McDonald was saying,
Speaker 3: Hippie Colt, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they said he saw an Esquire magazine
Speaker 1: article that was on his coffee table that was talking
Speaker 1: about the Manson murders, and you know, so he wrote
Speaker 1: pig or something on you know, on the wall. Even
Speaker 1: though the wound he had could have killed him. But
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, he put it to a
Speaker 1: certain way. It collapsed as long he knew because he
Speaker 1: was a doctor, and it was like, you know, that
Speaker 1: was one of those sort of like, you know, shitty
Speaker 1: theories they ascribed to him, just like later on Fatal Vision,
Speaker 1: author Joe McGinnis, who was on a defense team, said, oh,
Speaker 1: he was taking diet pills to maintain his hours, so
Speaker 1: like using him as meth, which later on McGinnis said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made that up.
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, sir.
Speaker 2: He do this man too, right, Aquina, it's the eyebrows
Speaker 2: gotta bills.
Speaker 3: They were all. I'm all I'm saying is Jeffer McDonald
Speaker 3: was a Special Forces Green Bray doctors signed to Fort
Speaker 3: Bragg at the very same time that a Kino is
Speaker 3: down there at the Fort Bragg jfk uh Special Forces
Speaker 3: Warfare Center. I try to get him better, dude. That's
Speaker 3: the best. That's the best. Like, dude, I worked on
Speaker 3: the eyebrows for a minute. I was trying to get him.
Speaker 2: Really even trying to get.
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy.
Speaker 2: You're like this, this is good.
Speaker 3: That's the best. Like, I get it. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: they're kind of croaked. They're not. I didn't achieve the
Speaker 3: a Kinno crooked nature of his eyebrows. But you should
Speaker 3: have represented with the eyebrows. Oh that's that's funny, dude.
Speaker 3: I can just paste them over these that's even better.
Speaker 3: I like that idea.
Speaker 1: He's got some crazy.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you look back
Speaker 3: at his like high school yearbook, did he had them
Speaker 3: wild eyebrows back.
Speaker 2: I'm not like hope for guys, you want to get
Speaker 2: this ship done. But yeah, you should have went yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think he leaned into a little bit.
Speaker 3: But they weren't straight back then. They were little bit.
Speaker 3: They were definitely that they that it's like a callous, dude,
Speaker 3: he has like a callous in his eyebrow or something,
Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, like a thing.
Speaker 1: His eyebrows. His eyebrows looked like they could have been
Speaker 1: like I mean, they could have compared to like Fred
Speaker 1: Goldman's mustache.
Speaker 3: You ever see Fred Goldman's got a legendary mustache. Dude,
Speaker 3: that's up to that's legendary, dude anytime. That's what's the
Speaker 3: deal with Fred Goldman? What's he into?
Speaker 1: Goldman? I don't know. All I just remember was I mean,
Speaker 1: because again I believed in the you know, I really was.
Speaker 1: I believed OJ was innocent, and then then I believe
Speaker 1: that he was guilty. Then I believe the ad help.
Speaker 1: And now now after listening to one of your your
Speaker 1: last shows with that, I'm like, yeah, I never thought
Speaker 1: he acted alone if he did it, But I'm like,
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of convinced, you know, he didn't do it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know if I may, if I
Speaker 3: may add a detail to my last o J Simpson
Speaker 3: the Orenthal J Simpson the Great OJ Debate, which was actually,
Speaker 3: you know, Julia causing Pete suggested that I'm glad you
Speaker 3: did because that was a great show. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I did forget, you know, in my in my attempt
Speaker 3: to maintain a narrative of my brain hole and have
Speaker 3: the conversation and you know, pull up things. You know,
Speaker 3: I did forget one salient characteristic there. So the blood
Speaker 3: evidence in the case, there was OJ's that was found
Speaker 3: in weird spots and you know, very precise, very symmetrical
Speaker 3: drips was was tested and tested positive for e d
Speaker 3: t A, which is the Yeah. So the defense had
Speaker 3: a guy that testified, even had the FBI agent coming
Speaker 3: testify Beau because the FBI, they strangely enough in a
Speaker 3: rare instance that it just really boggles my my brain hole.
Speaker 3: The FBI did something ethical and correct. So and when
Speaker 3: the when the prosecution tried to get them to testify,
Speaker 3: saying that there was no d t A, they came
Speaker 3: in and testified there was, right.
Speaker 1: I remember. The one guy who I remember because later
Speaker 1: on he would come up talking about issues with the
Speaker 1: FBI crime lab was Frederick Whitehurst. I remember that he
Speaker 1: testified the OJ case, but I don't remember if it
Speaker 1: was about d t A or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they had a different guy from the
Speaker 3: FBI that the prosecution had. Again we're talking about different
Speaker 3: offices I think within the FBI. So like the prosecution
Speaker 3: witness just didn't show up nearly. Now, we're just not
Speaker 3: going to come into that because obviously there's E. T. E. D.
Speaker 3: T and an. You bastards did that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean between what was it van at Er
Speaker 1: walking around with the violet blood?
Speaker 3: You had you all not just not just oriental J. Simpson.
Speaker 3: He had the victims files too, it later came to
Speaker 3: find out.
Speaker 1: And then you had basically what was it like the
Speaker 1: two you had Dennis Fung who was like the guy
Speaker 1: later on the thing shook the defense team's hand after
Speaker 1: he test fled and after they just like totally torched
Speaker 1: him on the stand. And I think his assistant was
Speaker 1: like it was her first week. She was like a rookie.
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, you couldn't have written
Speaker 1: at You're described better.
Speaker 3: What you're describing, well, I think they did. I think
Speaker 3: that is a scripture. I think what you're describing is
Speaker 3: the machinations of something that was intended to fail from
Speaker 3: the beginning. So why is Firman there in the first place?
Speaker 3: You know, he basically gets assigned to the robbery homicide.
Speaker 3: I think it's three months four months prior. It's not
Speaker 3: long prior. Yeah, he's doing traffic most of his career.
Speaker 1: He was a guy who tried to get a psyche
Speaker 1: discharge within his first two years and tried to get
Speaker 1: disability for it, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's the guy that everyone knew, including the
Speaker 3: Prosecutor's office, was having an affair withh Nicole Brown Simpson
Speaker 3: in the court into an internal affairs investigation report in
Speaker 3: numerous members of both the LAPD and the OSCARS office
Speaker 3: were aware of comments and statements or witnessed things that
Speaker 3: exhibited that he was indeed having an affair with the
Speaker 3: Cole Brown Simpsons.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Speaker 3: It was ignored because now I wanted That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The whole thing was blown up from the beginning, and
Speaker 3: he was he blew up both the case for both
Speaker 3: the prosecution and the defense, because by the time he
Speaker 3: hits the stand and for the prosecution in March, the
Speaker 3: defense has already laid out a lot of this questionable
Speaker 3: evidences we're already discussing here, right, Yeah, I mean, the.
Speaker 1: Whole thing was they were trying to build I mean,
Speaker 1: talk about scripted the confrontation between him and I think
Speaker 1: at one point they wanted a flee Bailey to go
Speaker 1: against him.
Speaker 3: And you know Bailey, is that the guy that was
Speaker 3: running that I ran contrabank out of Miami back in
Speaker 3: ninety three, the year prior to the Oarenthal J. Simpson case,
Speaker 3: that that athlete Bailey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but probably before he got this marred, because I
Speaker 1: know that happened.
Speaker 3: It's why all these connections of the same damn shit, right,
Speaker 3: I mean again, it's the fact that Bill Colby's son
Speaker 3: is the chief witness for the prosecution against Thornthal. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson should tell it tells me this that when so
Speaker 3: Oj gets him and Nicole separate, I think it's ninety one,
Speaker 3: she moves into a different residence. Think it's on Green
Speaker 3: Street there in Brentwood or somewhere around there, and she
Speaker 3: is living with the manager of that restaurant group that
Speaker 3: is owned by the Mafian is the front for all
Speaker 3: this cocaine trafficking, the same restaurant group where Ron Goldman
Speaker 3: and a number two of his buddies were all marked.
Speaker 3: Not just Goldman, you know, they had numerous buddies in
Speaker 3: that same restaurant group marked. And she's Nicole's living with
Speaker 3: the manager of that restaurant group. So they have locations
Speaker 3: in Brentwood, Malibuu, Beverly Hills, and Aspen, Colorado, which is
Speaker 3: interesting for a different different tale, for a different day.
Speaker 3: But you know that incident in October ninety three where
Speaker 3: he's over there screaming about cocaine and hookers in the
Speaker 3: background of what he thought was a call to her
Speaker 3: mother and would turned out to be a nine on
Speaker 3: one call. You know, he's going nuts, right, and she
Speaker 3: doesn't press charges because you know, you know, he made
Speaker 3: some good points, you know what I mean. So he
Speaker 3: makes her move out of that home and again I'm
Speaker 3: not white knighting for raenttheal Jay Simpson or I'm just
Speaker 3: laying out, you know, some of the stuff that was
Speaker 3: hidden in these matters. He makes her move out of
Speaker 3: that home and move into the Bundy address. He makes
Speaker 3: Homeboy move out, he makes Kato'kalen, he was also living there,
Speaker 3: move into his guest house. So he's he's kind of like,
Speaker 3: he says, no, none more of this shit around my kids,
Speaker 3: which is what he's yelling in the background, what having
Speaker 3: coke and hookers around my children? Right, And because she
Speaker 3: was running around with Heidi Flies over there in that house, right,
Speaker 3: and again this dude, this dude, her roommate was dating
Speaker 3: Heidi Flyice's one of Heidi Fly's recruiters, right, So there's
Speaker 3: the intermingling of all the cocaine and the fly sookers
Speaker 3: going on next door to all this activity. Is Carl Colby?
Speaker 3: What's he doing living next door to this'? That's why
Speaker 3: he testifies later he's used by the prosecution by saying
Speaker 3: that during from ninety one to ninety three, that including
Speaker 3: that October of ninety three incident, that Orental J. Simpson
Speaker 3: was a madman who definitely killed his wife because he
Speaker 3: abused her. That was what his testimony was. But why
Speaker 3: is he living next door to this mafia run? You
Speaker 3: know all these you know that, you know all all
Speaker 3: the shit we've already talked about living next door to that, right.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Nicole Denise is dating Fiata.
Speaker 3: There you go, sir, there you go, a known hitman, right,
Speaker 3: unknown hitman who's later dragged in by the defense in
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, I mean a lot of crazy interlocking connections.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then what is it?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: I always found it interesting that both Cato and Paula
Speaker 1: Barbieri both wound up doing like basically saftcore porn movies.
Speaker 3: After the fact, Well the deal, you make a deal
Speaker 3: with the devil, sir, you got to pay off that debt,
Speaker 3: and that devil is Bob Cocaine Evans.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's lost up on his career, kind of
Speaker 1: went the ship.
Speaker 3: Kata is lucky he didn't. He didn't, you know, have
Speaker 3: to get the old Bob poop h you know, slide
Speaker 3: campaign going on there. Legend has it Bob built an
Speaker 3: intro good two stories slide system in his vedroom where
Speaker 3: he could stand at the top and shipp in the
Speaker 3: hooker's mouse at the bottom of the slide. Yeah, Cato
Speaker 3: is lucky he didn't get that treatment, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, very true, you may have. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that Cocaine Bob's even this mixed him.
Speaker 3: Him and O J were tight. They were they were
Speaker 3: They played a week, they had weekly tennis matches and
Speaker 3: shit like that. You know, they were, they were in
Speaker 3: They were at least in some regard friends.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, I mean, if anything else, Cocaine and
Speaker 1: Hollywood go together from the beginning I mean just I know.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say cocaine and Bob Evans go together like
Speaker 3: peanut butter.
Speaker 1: Well, he tried playing down like in the two books
Speaker 1: I read, he kind of plays down his cocaine usage.
Speaker 1: You know that it was all for his his you know,
Speaker 1: his back or whatever it was, and you know this
Speaker 1: and that, and I said, it's part of It's like
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think you're just trying to
Speaker 1: make it working like an opiate. Yeah, like that he
Speaker 1: wasn't possibly like one of the yeah, like, he wasn't
Speaker 1: one of the people that George Young was referring to
Speaker 1: in the movie Blow.
Speaker 3: You know, like when it's funny you say that, because
Speaker 3: I think one of the fellas in the movie Blow,
Speaker 3: the guy that essentially is part of the team that
Speaker 3: you know, turn turncoats against George Young. There who Nick
Speaker 3: Nick knows George Young. He's met him before in prison.
Speaker 3: Really yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I got there right before he left, was
Speaker 4: there for maybe a year year and a half before
Speaker 4: he left.
Speaker 3: I think that's when he was he Brew probation and
Speaker 3: got put back in there, is when you saw him.
Speaker 2: I think, I think, Yeah, I think you're right, because
Speaker 2: after that. I think he basically kind of disappeared.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: Did they get him again? I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he might have been there, like you're saying.
Speaker 3: Well, know what, I know, I looked at I looked
Speaker 3: at when he when this happened. So he broke probation
Speaker 3: by going back out to California when he got out
Speaker 3: the first time, he went out to California and had
Speaker 3: a birthday party with his old hair salon drug dealing buddy,
Speaker 3: so pee wee. Herman's character in the film is based
Speaker 3: upon these two brothers, and they're still alive and well
Speaker 3: in San Diego today. And George they threw George Young
Speaker 3: a birthday party and he got He went back to
Speaker 3: prison for that, like you did in the film before,
Speaker 3: right for breaking probation. He did it again. So that's
Speaker 3: when he ended up in Fort Dicks.
Speaker 2: Isn't it weird that to himself and everything that guy did.
Speaker 3: He really he's living on high class then, huh. I
Speaker 3: guess you're running the Median coke for the Iran concrat
Speaker 3: stuff for many years. They're gonna they're gonna show you
Speaker 3: some gratitude, I suppose, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like in a building where where all
Speaker 4: the new people come in and then they get like
Speaker 4: kind of uh, they get determined where they're gonna go
Speaker 4: with whip building and everything.
Speaker 2: It's almost like.
Speaker 4: And like to get a like to even get a
Speaker 4: job in that building for some reason, and to get
Speaker 4: like a kid kids like if you're a porter, or
Speaker 4: you'll get your own room too, or you might just
Speaker 4: share it with one other guy. That's like a big
Speaker 4: like holy fuck, how did you pull out off? If
Speaker 4: that sounds crazy, but this is you know, how it
Speaker 4: goes in prison. And he was just you know, he
Speaker 4: was just rocking a room to himself and then to
Speaker 4: begin with so, I mean he had like a sweet
Speaker 4: setup that like people in prison like wish they could
Speaker 4: have got.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what the mob gets, right is
Speaker 3: that kind of like what you see in the Mob movies,
Speaker 3: Like uh, they get that special, like that same kind
Speaker 3: of special. Fell Yeah, good Fellas well.
Speaker 1: They so here's the thing they used to or the
Speaker 1: story guys that they they put a stop to that.
Speaker 1: But like in Goodfellas, what Henry Hill had with Paulie
Speaker 1: and Johnny Dio and those guys was, yeah, they would
Speaker 1: kick kick money to the guards who were getting paid
Speaker 1: you know dog shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I'm buying that film no
Speaker 3: offense or because they put what that one crime boss
Speaker 3: me cam Buttoner, North Carolina. They put him in with
Speaker 3: Bernie Madoff. They were they were sale mates together, were
Speaker 3: Sell's wasn't it a who was it?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: Persico was the Columbo crime family boss always ship you're
Speaker 3: right start, So I imagine those two fellas were living
Speaker 3: high on the hog right.
Speaker 1: Well at Persico got transferred there was so he winds
Speaker 1: up getting convicted in the commission case. He's in uh
Speaker 1: Lompunk and there's a huge article written I think it
Speaker 1: was the Daily News breaking about how the fact it
Speaker 1: was Persico one of the guys from the Westies, and
Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of guys from Roy
Speaker 1: de MEO's crew in the Gambinos. We're all kind of
Speaker 1: hanging out the plant in a rock band. Persico's g
Speaker 1: gets his own garden basically like a club fed. Even
Speaker 1: though Lompoke I think was like even though it was
Speaker 1: I think it was medium correctional. It wasn't maximum. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like you're San Quentin.
Speaker 3: It's right outside VanderBurg Air Force Base. I know exactly
Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So that led to eventually they're like, we got a transfer,
Speaker 1: like this doesn't look good. But I mean they had
Speaker 1: issues where I think, like New York answers, there's one
Speaker 1: guy who I think I think smuggled his boys out
Speaker 1: his sperm maut to impregnate his girlfriend and they're like okay,
Speaker 1: and then because he's bribing a guard and they're like, yep,
Speaker 1: we got to put a stop to that. Not saying
Speaker 1: it doesn't still happen, but I think it's a little
Speaker 1: less obvious, like when a place would become fed, you know,
Speaker 1: like he.
Speaker 3: Took it down a couple of notches. Huh, Phil, you
Speaker 3: are you are, indeed and man with a lot of details,
Speaker 3: because I forgot which mob boss that was, and you,
Speaker 3: as always were corrects are with the When it comes
Speaker 3: to your mob knowledge, it's extensive. It's made off closest
Speaker 3: prison Chum Columbo, crime boss, Family of Family, crime Boss,
Speaker 3: car Mine Persecuka, the Snake.
Speaker 1: The Snake, Yeah, he's the one who lived the longest
Speaker 1: out of anyone who got got the one hundred years sentenced.
Speaker 1: A lot of those other guys were dead within a
Speaker 1: handful of years.
Speaker 3: Some match made in hell right, made off of that
Speaker 3: guy made.
Speaker 1: Off who never said a bad word about the Mets
Speaker 1: owners the will Palms, even though he screwed us for
Speaker 1: over a decade.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a story I'm have to hear some some
Speaker 3: timer in the future. That sounds interesting, Phil.
Speaker 2: Did you know Vincent battle Lamente? You know who he is?
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard anything?
Speaker 3: Wasn't he?
Speaker 1: It sounds like a guy who was at in the
Speaker 1: Bananos maybe And when that name sounds familiar to me.
Speaker 2: I was left up with that dude too. Oh wow, Brooklyn, I.
Speaker 1: Wonder if he was related to the Sicilian boss. There
Speaker 1: was a guy Gaetano about the alimente.
Speaker 3: He can y'all help a dumb an Palachian man out
Speaker 3: when it comes to spelling these names?
Speaker 1: What what?
Speaker 3: How do you can we spell that for me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just found the Here we go.
Speaker 3: So this is a Banano guy because the they're you know, Bananos.
Speaker 3: That's as far as these families go. Columbos and Bananas
Speaker 3: are my favorites as far as interest in things that
Speaker 3: their activities.
Speaker 1: Good answer, Sorry, Donnie Brasco, I was, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: about I mean because they got kicked on the mission.
Speaker 1: They got kicked up the commission for that, you know,
Speaker 1: almost making an FBI agent.
Speaker 3: And that ties in I don't want to go, well
Speaker 3: you will go. Since we were already talking about Elvis,
Speaker 3: that ties into Operation Fountain Pen, the undercover operation Elvis
Speaker 3: was involved in with the FBI. There. So he dies
Speaker 3: and the Operation Fountain Pen mobsters get busted the next day.
Speaker 3: But that that investigation, which was being conducted out of
Speaker 3: Memphis for multiple years with numerous FBI agents on Elvis's
Speaker 3: you know, roadie group, right, traveling with him and whatnot
Speaker 3: his crew, right, is you know, his entourage if you will, right,
Speaker 3: because he always had a big entourage. So the day
Speaker 3: after he dies there in August was at August seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Right, August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the next day that the syndicate I believe was
Speaker 3: they were calling themselves, they get busted by the FBI.
Speaker 3: So this operation they called Operation Fountain Pen then continues
Speaker 3: on and involves into the largest multi jurisdiction, the longest
Speaker 3: running investigation in FBI history, out of the FBI's Indianapolis
Speaker 3: Field Office and one of the things that spawns is
Speaker 3: Operation ab Scam, right, And another thing that spawns is
Speaker 3: the Donny Brasco operations. Right. That's why you see the
Speaker 3: boat being used in Abscam in Brasco because they're part
Speaker 3: of the same overarching Yet there you go, sir, that's
Speaker 3: a kind of a that's kind of a major kind
Speaker 3: of moment in that story right where they're like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: Donny Brasco, you're about to get fucked up if they
Speaker 3: find out they're using this Operation Abscam boat, right yep,
Speaker 3: with with Santo's traffic Conte nonetheless, right, that's who they're
Speaker 3: meeting with, right yep. So these operations are all derivative
Speaker 3: of Operation Fountain Pen. That's why they see they're using
Speaker 3: the same assets in those two in that operation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So I just think that's interesting that started with Elvis.
Speaker 3: I think it's still going today and I have that's
Speaker 3: a story for a different day. But I did whenever
Speaker 3: that little bit the other day with Troublemaker Joanah must
Speaker 3: show there in Operation pat Gun and Idaho Nazis.
Speaker 2: So how did that go?
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that was a fantastic conversation. Do I got
Speaker 3: so much more ship to read about from.
Speaker 2: That, because I know, I know he's another one with
Speaker 2: a photographic memory.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm actually afraid to invite Phil and Joanah
Speaker 3: in the same conversation because I might, I might, my
Speaker 3: old brain on might blow up. Dude.
Speaker 2: You probably just sit back and just like chill out
Speaker 2: and see nothing.
Speaker 3: I know, but the amount of new information I had
Speaker 3: tabs on. Dude, here's here's one from there night that
Speaker 3: I thought was kind of odd. You fellas might enjoy
Speaker 3: you all familiar with the actress Melissa jo and Hart
Speaker 3: Sabrina the teenage.
Speaker 2: Witch was her swimming coach.
Speaker 3: No ship, Okay, I did not know that.
Speaker 2: All right, llys out there, what is it, mister Crowley,
Speaker 2: my man teacher?
Speaker 3: Come on, Oh, that's right, that's what you said first
Speaker 3: about Alistair Curley from that guy right the Osbourne songs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: apparently she's remember that Nashville trans apocalypse shooter at the
Speaker 3: Christian school two years you maybe three years ago.
Speaker 1: The one that were sitting on the manifest.
Speaker 3: There you go, sir Aubrey maybe something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Aubrey I forgot.
Speaker 3: Would you believe Melissa john Hart was unseen saving the
Speaker 3: children from that school. Oh Jeffreeze in my back.
Speaker 2: No, no, you you got.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad that broke your gents brain
Speaker 3: holes as much as you are you talking about Dan.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, yah, I had so many tabs
Speaker 3: from that conversation that it was a great conversation. Folks
Speaker 3: to check it out. But I joked at the end,
Speaker 3: it's like, I got I got seven, I got seven
Speaker 3: tabs open that are on Melissa Joan Hart. Really then
Speaker 3: I got seven Melissa jo and heart related tabs open.
Speaker 3: So it was that was that shocking of a revelation
Speaker 3: to me, Like, why is she like, of all people, dude,
Speaker 3: of all people? And I wanted to bring up that story.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked that because uh, you didn't intend
Speaker 3: to ask that, but t me up from a point
Speaker 3: here that why is Jody Sweeten from full House at
Speaker 3: the forefront of these LA riots? What's your thoughts on
Speaker 3: on that, fellas.
Speaker 2: I'm actually wondering if maybe these.
Speaker 3: Would you like to see a video? I'll bring up
Speaker 3: a video.
Speaker 2: If you'd like go for it. Yeah I saw it too, Yeah, yeah, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, I'll bring the video. White white shirt.
Speaker 2: I just wonder if it's like you know, when people
Speaker 2: are like, uh, when you.
Speaker 4: Hear Lady Gaga a bitch about like this interview that
Speaker 4: was years ago, everybody thought like, oh, she's so cool,
Speaker 4: she doesn't want to have to sell perfume what she's
Speaker 4: doing now anyway, you know, bitching about saying that, like
Speaker 4: the industry makes.
Speaker 2: You do things you don't want to have to do.
Speaker 4: I actually have wondered as being like b B B
Speaker 4: people are extras and syops actually part of their job
Speaker 4: as well sometimes, which is kind of what you're saying now.
Speaker 2: These people are showing.
Speaker 1: Up being actual price paying gig.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you're being a scumbag doing that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a paying gig.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's just part of the contract. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not saying it. I'm not saying it's sag session. I'm
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is it's yeah.
Speaker 1: Well maybe like James, Let's that's exactly.
Speaker 3: What when I say, these folks look like from Central Casting.
Speaker 3: Right there you go, sir, that's a great example. He
Speaker 3: could have saved us all, Phil if it wasn't for James.
Speaker 3: You know, James Woods tried, he could have saved us
Speaker 3: all and that and that what he kind of claims,
Speaker 3: right yeah, Mark Wahlberg too, Right, He's like, if I
Speaker 3: was there, I would have fought all those guys.
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, Seth MacFarlane who managed to miss his flight.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he could have told him jokes. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know, you think of all those guys who just
Speaker 1: managed just to miss that flight, get it. That is
Speaker 1: Peter gripping a personation a little.
Speaker 3: So what so what you're what we're saying that that?
Speaker 3: I mean, this sells the concepts of the whole narrative, right,
Speaker 3: these guys are these stars and whatnot. They're like you know,
Speaker 3: obviously you know there's stories or preposteros, but it helps
Speaker 3: sell the general narrative, right, Like I feel like it's
Speaker 3: part of the show.
Speaker 2: Want to see Zelensky?
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Like what's that about?
Speaker 2: Well, just like, well, you're the one we got for.
Speaker 1: This, Sean Sean Penn.
Speaker 3: Available. And then later like now Josh Brolin's down in
Speaker 3: Mexico filming in the whatever movie, you know whatever. He's
Speaker 3: into these you know what I mean, they probably have
Speaker 3: a whole list, Like now he's on the assignment over here,
Speaker 3: he's on set here. We can squeeze in Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 3: but just for the weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get him into this shooter, this shooter
Speaker 2: that we got going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Charrels Harrelson, the assassin's son. Matthew McConaughey
Speaker 3: can get him into. But he's got he's only got
Speaker 3: forty hours available, so it's got to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't believe that shit.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, this dude walks around with people have
Speaker 4: guns on them and he's like fucking talking about you know,
Speaker 4: guns and ship.
Speaker 2: Right, shut up.
Speaker 3: Clearly not a text and clearly not a text.
Speaker 4: Kind of like you know, I hate to like like
Speaker 4: start like to be one of those people that's like,
Speaker 4: now I don't like some of this stuff because.
Speaker 2: Us that move. But that really did ar. That was like, dude,
Speaker 2: just shut up, to sit the fuck down, don't so
Speaker 2: don't become one of these animals.
Speaker 1: Well maybe that's like another Maybe that's like another way,
Speaker 1: you know, like they talk about the whole thing with
Speaker 1: certain actors, the whole the buck buck broken thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's another way of it. You know, like it's you
Speaker 1: like you think of someone like I mentioned in seth
Speaker 1: MacFarland supposedly being hungover and his agent told him the
Speaker 1: wrong time, so he misses the flight out of Boston
Speaker 1: that wants uprassion. And then then what does he go
Speaker 1: on to do besides when Family Guy gets eventually brought
Speaker 1: back on again, he becomes one of the biggest donors
Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party, you know, like he hosts galas
Speaker 1: for Obama. I mean he's been he's been sucking off
Speaker 1: the Democrats now for a good while. I mean Family
Speaker 1: Guy couldn't even watch anymore because it just became Trump
Speaker 1: jokes left and right. Like I'm not a Trump fan,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, after a while, I don't need I
Speaker 1: don't need too much politics in my shows. And uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think he went he embraced it wholeheart, you know,
Speaker 1: like Hull Hog. I don't know so much about Wahlberg.
Speaker 1: All I know is Wahlburg has a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and I know that Wallburg produced Entourage, which has Ari
Speaker 1: Gold who's supposed to be Ari Emanuel. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point, you know, Mark Wahlberg you know,
Speaker 1: sold out in some form.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know that's kind of a sat tire
Speaker 3: on Wahlberg's life, right Entourage, Right, yeah, yeah, those are
Speaker 3: real the people, the characters in there, they're all events
Speaker 3: and Chase his friends and whatnot. Those are all based
Speaker 3: on Wahlberg's crew.
Speaker 1: Yep, because I think the guy, the real Turtle died
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I watched like one episode of
Speaker 1: the show, but he was still a slash.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only thing, I mean, there's only so much Jeremy Piven,
Speaker 1: you know, scrimming like a jackass. I can listen to an.
Speaker 3: Entire Yeah, go around, I don't I don't falt you there,
Speaker 3: Sir is trying to look up that pilot's name from
Speaker 3: the from Blow, the film Blow. So just before I
Speaker 3: forget that the film Blow, there's a pilot that comes
Speaker 3: in throughout the film, you know, when they're doing all
Speaker 3: the dealings. Him and Diego who's Carlos later the mediend guy. Right,
Speaker 3: So they bring in that white dude, that pilot from
Speaker 3: Florida that, in my opinion, is Larry Greenberger, the husband
Speaker 3: of Karen Greenberger, bought cocaine. Bob's associating the co conspirator
Speaker 3: and the murder of Roy raiding and the wife. Larry
Speaker 3: Greenberger was Median Guy's number one guy in America. So
Speaker 3: we see in this story blow George Young gets busted
Speaker 3: shortly thereafter, right, and it's this guy Larry Greenberger who
Speaker 3: takes over as that number one dude in the median
Speaker 3: car tell that George Young was doing. So we see
Speaker 3: these stories in different narratives where you just don't see
Speaker 3: him push together or mashed together like that. But that
Speaker 3: my opinion. We do see Larry Greenberger in the film
Speaker 3: Blue Okay, So.
Speaker 1: He's the base for what was the guy named Jack Stevens?
Speaker 1: I think was the name of that I.
Speaker 3: Always, sir, I swear, I swear, Phil, you were a
Speaker 3: man with many details. I could not I was googling it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's the pilot's name, George George Jones on
Speaker 3: the pilot?
Speaker 1: What is?
Speaker 3: Why is it? Why is giggle stupid? Yeah, Jack Stevens.
Speaker 3: There we go. So Jack Stevens, you know my opinion
Speaker 3: that is Larrnberger. Yes, sir, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: When when it comes to I mean when you think
Speaker 1: of the the interlocking connections with these with well with
Speaker 1: the drug world, but you know, you think of whenever
Speaker 1: they started really going in the importing into the country
Speaker 1: with the contras, I said, I you know, they had different,
Speaker 1: different you know operations. I mean, I think they had
Speaker 1: him going from you know, Mediyan through you know, Miami.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, the cocaine cowboy types. I
Speaker 1: think they had it going through well, first it was
Speaker 1: Louisiana with Barry Seal, and then later it was through
Speaker 1: Nina when Louisiana kind of basically threatened to threaten to
Speaker 1: kick Seal out or arrest him. And then I think
Speaker 1: they probably even had a pipeline through Texas, you know,
Speaker 1: like they had whatever available port that they could get through,
Speaker 1: they could get through. But then, you know, handful of
Speaker 1: years before, you know, a lot of the stuff with
Speaker 1: the contra stuff you had.
Speaker 3: There was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever heard of
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Bill Tyree, who I believe is
Speaker 1: still alive, is currently rotting in a prison in Massachusetts
Speaker 1: for the murder of his wife. And he was Special
Speaker 1: Forces out of Fort Devons And how do you spill
Speaker 1: it Devons or Tyree?
Speaker 3: Is it t y r ee?
Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah, his wife, his wife Elaine, and so Bill
Speaker 1: Tyree had allegedly taken part in some operations. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was watched. How was the name of the covert op?
Speaker 1: And because a few of the people who were I
Speaker 1: think his superior officers who tried to blow the whistle
Speaker 1: on it died suspicious deaths. And yeah, Tyree I think
Speaker 1: has tried to appeal. I think he's yeah, nineteen sevent nine,
Speaker 1: We're talking like forty five years, almost forty six years.
Speaker 3: I think, well, yeah, so is this relative to Iran Contra,
Speaker 3: the four Brag operations or the twenty Special Forces what
Speaker 3: we'll be talking here?
Speaker 1: Well, this, this actually involves this was before I ran contract,
Speaker 1: but this involves uh noriega. I also believe in.
Speaker 3: Uh yeahs elements and elements that we would later know
Speaker 3: to be Iran contrac if I may and also make
Speaker 3: correct my statement, yep.
Speaker 1: And also an Israeli named Michael Harrari who would pop up.
Speaker 3: The number elements of this case seem to be chilling
Speaker 3: at echoes of the Jeffrey McDonald case. Huh yep. I
Speaker 3: reviewed this Yeah, you also reviewed this book. Oh excellent. Okay,
Speaker 3: so you you know this book then? Okay? Nice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the goal because now I first come across Tyree's name,
Speaker 1: I believe in it was a book called Defrauding America,
Speaker 1: which is about this guy who was he was I
Speaker 1: think he was an FAA safety inspector who saw corruption
Speaker 1: in the airline industry and then eventually the government went
Speaker 1: after him. And then later on he got introduced to
Speaker 1: a lot of other people and you know, covert ops,
Speaker 1: guys who kind of got you know, were the victims
Speaker 1: of limited hangouts. And he kind of talked about that's
Speaker 1: first the first time how I ever heard about the
Speaker 1: Franklin scandal was based off Defrauding America. But he also
Speaker 1: mentions Bill Tyree and Tyree's case, you know, is interesting,
Speaker 1: and you know, there was Watchtower, and then when Tyree's
Speaker 1: trial was going on, there turned out to have been
Speaker 1: a surveillance operation called Operation or Well, which involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listening, how on the nose? Is that phil.
Speaker 1: Listening devices being planted in prosecutor.
Speaker 3: Did they call it Project Big Brother? Also? Was that
Speaker 3: like a sub project?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean let's say, said what we're doing, then
Speaker 1: they could they could be on the nose, you know,
Speaker 1: but they supposedly I think bug ted Kennedy's office. I
Speaker 1: think they said, even religious officials, like whatever it was
Speaker 1: to keep this operation secret. And I actually so years ago,
Speaker 1: it's like two thousand and three. I could pretty much
Speaker 1: pinpoint the year they used to have the A and
Speaker 1: E show Investigative Reports. It was what's the name Bill Curtis?
Speaker 1: Bill Curtis.
Speaker 3: That great, That was a good show. Man. I enjoyed
Speaker 3: some of that ad program back then. Criminal Confidential that
Speaker 3: was a good one.
Speaker 1: That and American Justice. American Justice is one.
Speaker 3: Of my other friends that he did. Maybe the City Confidential.
Speaker 3: They did weird City Confidential.
Speaker 1: City Confidential that was where I saw. They did Biloxi
Speaker 1: with the murder of Vince Sherry and his wife Margaret,
Speaker 1: and it was a judge and his wife and uh
Speaker 1: that wound up connecting to the Dixie mafia and got
Speaker 1: the mayor of the mayor of Biloxi indicted. But with
Speaker 1: with the Tyree case, they had an episode called Murder
Speaker 1: at Fort Devons. It aired. In terms of me seeing
Speaker 1: it once, never saw it, and because at one point of.
Speaker 3: This bill, this is the first I'm hearing of these things.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad, I'm glad you're airing it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting enough, so when they referenced some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that Tyree was talking about, you know, in
Speaker 1: terms of why his wife was murdered to you know,
Speaker 1: keep watchtower shut up. They show like a document and
Speaker 1: I see two names, Edwin Wilson and Frank Turple, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, because I you know, already come
Speaker 1: across those names. Ed Wilson was like they called him
Speaker 1: the death Merchant. He was the guy who was set,
Speaker 1: you know, convicted of selling arms to Libya with Kadafi.
Speaker 1: Even know Wilson said I was CIA, and they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's no longer CIA. He was running this group and
Speaker 1: it was called Task Force one fifty seven, which was
Speaker 1: out of the Navy.
Speaker 3: And uh, I think he ran a foul of man.
Speaker 3: May Put might have put a pause there for a
Speaker 3: Task Force four five seven out of the Navy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I mentioned where Wilson was from, Idaho.
Speaker 3: Oh that's how this is the dude I was going
Speaker 3: to ask you about, Thank you, sir, Yes, yes, yes, okay.
Speaker 3: So that's what I was saying. This is the pro
Speaker 3: that's what I was getting out with the proto machinations
Speaker 3: of Iran Contran. This is the guy that the connects
Speaker 3: it right, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Wilson he was a guy. So he winds
Speaker 1: up getting sentenced to I think it was life because
Speaker 1: between the selling weapons, and they said at one point
Speaker 1: he put a hit out on the prosecutor and also
Speaker 1: his own wife.
Speaker 3: It's never a good idea. I don't care how bad.
Speaker 1: And well hit the prosecutor who'd be involved in his case?
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 1: Lawrence Barcela was wound up being involved, I think involved
Speaker 1: in the October Surprise investigation. So that guy's kind of
Speaker 1: suspect as hell.
Speaker 3: And you mean to tell me this guy was both CI.
Speaker 3: It's people like this guy that I find very fascinating
Speaker 3: because he's both CIA, but he's an O and I
Speaker 3: guy assigned to CIA. And I don't think those two
Speaker 3: organizations like you very much, Phil, yep.
Speaker 1: And I think sacrifice. He was sacrificed because he'd be
Speaker 1: involved in that company was called EATS COO, which is
Speaker 1: like Egypt Arms Transportation, with the guy named Richard Secord
Speaker 1: who would pop up in Iran contra because he was
Speaker 1: Air Force general, and a guy named Albert Hakeem, a
Speaker 1: guy named Thomas Kleins who was CIA Cleins would would
Speaker 1: wind up being sentenced in Iran contray. I think for
Speaker 1: I've been perjury and Shackley Ted Shackley.
Speaker 3: Old Ted, that's a dark character right there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ed Wilson was connecting with a lot of guys, a
Speaker 1: guy named Rafael Chichi Quintero, who I believe might have
Speaker 1: been Operation for Uh. You know, I like that quhen
Speaker 1: Tero came up in the book I finished, uh TJ.
Speaker 1: English's last book. I believe it was the corporation about uh,
Speaker 1: these guys who were cocaine cowboys out of out of Miami,
Speaker 1: but they were former Cube you know, Cuban exiles.
Speaker 3: But before I go back here, so this was the
Speaker 3: for Divers case there, I'm sorry for Devon's case there.
Speaker 3: So it says this case provoked suspicions of judicial misconduct,
Speaker 3: government cover up, clandestine black ops by the military, and
Speaker 3: various conspiracy theories, ultimately implicating deep state involvement. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can see the correlations to McDonald. And again it
Speaker 3: is this network of we're talking about, right, this Operation forty,
Speaker 3: you know, the Material Assistance Command Bill Colby, uh, basically
Speaker 3: umbrella of network. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to connected. I mean, especially
Speaker 1: when you have Noriega's in there and Michael Horrari who
Speaker 1: as an israel The intelligence asset pops up in a
Speaker 1: lot of things kind of like uh, this one who
Speaker 1: was a Raphael Rafi e Tom. You know, you start
Speaker 1: seeing these guys pop up over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, and right right, yeah, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they're connected or if like as one kind
Speaker 1: of like when we talk about I mentioned, uh, newgan Hand.
Speaker 1: Before newgan Hand there was Castle Bank, like one thing,
Speaker 1: one thing wants up getting shut down, pops up something else,
Speaker 1: and and then later on after newugan Hand, there was
Speaker 1: a bank called Bishop Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham and Wong, which
Speaker 1: was out of Hawaii that had a guy Ron Rewald
Speaker 1: who said he was CIA, and you know that bank
Speaker 1: collapses and you know he winds up taking the fall
Speaker 1: for this bank, and then you know, just one thing
Speaker 1: leads to another.
Speaker 3: It's always the CIA at the top of these boards.
Speaker 3: And typically seems like at least with b CCI, the
Speaker 3: Vatican Bank involved as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, uh, you know they said, what was it?
Speaker 1: I think that was just coming across. I got Posner's book,
Speaker 1: which I started reading. I said, which I don't know
Speaker 1: considering the fact that it's Posner and he's another one
Speaker 1: of those mainstream, you know, narrative guys from JFK to
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. I mean, the Vatican Bank is like,
Speaker 1: I don't give into conspiracies, is.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, right, very convenient. They're posing are very convenient.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to all these characters, Phil, why
Speaker 3: is it always coming back to the whole as Tricky
Speaker 3: Dick put it in the Watergate tapes, that whole bay
Speaker 3: of pigs thing. I think, I mean, they look right
Speaker 3: here with add Wilson, right, he's even colluding with Cuban
Speaker 3: exiles part of that same as you were in describing
Speaker 3: the Operation forty fours. These folks, the Barry Seals, the
Speaker 3: mitchewear Bells, the Gary Hemmings, you know, the folks that
Speaker 3: are training these Cuban forces to go assassinate Castro that
Speaker 3: you know, seemingly they're they pop up everywhere around these
Speaker 3: these you know operations, the relative to Iran contrary and
Speaker 3: there you know, constituents within the CIA.
Speaker 1: I think it's an offshoot at like what you'd call
Speaker 1: like the old Boys Network. Now, when Danny Cassilara was
Speaker 1: trying to was trying to trace the origins of the octopus,
Speaker 1: he puts it all the way back to a failed
Speaker 1: CIA operation and I think it was, I want to
Speaker 1: say Albania. It had something to do with one that
Speaker 1: Kim Philby gave up the infamous six meter spy for
Speaker 1: the Russians, and that out of that came what would
Speaker 1: be the octopus, and that you know in his book
Speaker 1: he names them. And I know ed Wilson is someone
Speaker 1: he actually had reached out to in some form. I
Speaker 1: know he wanted to interview Howard Hunt. I know that
Speaker 1: was part of his plans before he died. But I
Speaker 1: know ed Wilson was somebody reached out to. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting enough Wilson. Now Wilson dies in twenty twelve. He
Speaker 1: did spend the last eight years of his life. He
Speaker 1: did get out of jail, and he got sprung based
Speaker 1: off a lawyer who used to be CIA.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they proved the fact that the c I a
Speaker 1: lie that Wilson was working for them when he was
Speaker 1: selling arms to Kadafi. You know, I think, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think he was just sacrificed because he was too
Speaker 1: high profile. He was he was spending you know, I
Speaker 1: think he had like multiple houses. He was just living
Speaker 1: too high on the on the hog for people like
Speaker 1: you know, will uh Ce, Cord and Shackley, who would
Speaker 1: have preferred he kept a low profile.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, You're you make some reasonable
Speaker 3: points there, like where your head's up for sure? What
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on, speaking of these matters with Castile
Speaker 3: and gag, what are your thoughts on why is Michael
Speaker 3: riccona Shoodo still alive today? Or easy?
Speaker 1: I think, I mean he's still alive because so Actually
Speaker 1: I was just reading today and I was it was
Speaker 1: on Facebook originally that Netflix.
Speaker 3: Michael Riconas on Facebook. That'd be to do.
Speaker 1: Now, someone someone who knows certain elements of the story
Speaker 1: who looked into it. This whose father was actually killed
Speaker 1: in the Indio case, the Cavson, the Cabson Indians that
Speaker 1: the murders.
Speaker 3: Old girl whose dad was murdered by by uh Was
Speaker 3: it one of the Nichols fellas I always get the
Speaker 3: Nichols was mixed.
Speaker 1: Up there, possibly on the orders of John Nichols and
Speaker 1: by a guy named Jimmy Hughes. Jimmy Hughes is the
Speaker 1: guy who was indicted for it and then was supposedly
Speaker 1: converted became like a minister like in.
Speaker 3: Uh contracts hitman for the CIA though correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so. I think even self admitted said
Speaker 1: that he was an assassin, and I think might have
Speaker 1: been connected with the Gambinos, possibly like Robert Booth.
Speaker 3: Nichols was uh what I was gonna say. These Nickel
Speaker 3: boys seem to be connected to the Mouth families, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well Nicholas was also uh to the Yakuza.
Speaker 1: But with with this Facebook post Rachel Begley, whose father
Speaker 1: was I think alth Boger was the guy's name. She
Speaker 1: was responding to allegations Racanda Shooto made to Covert Action magazine,
Speaker 1: which had published like a further takedown of the American
Speaker 1: conspiracy the Octopus Murders documentary, which got nomination. Yeah it was,
Speaker 1: it was good, but they what she was counteracting was
Speaker 1: attacks on Sherry Seymour, who wrote the Last Circle about
Speaker 1: the Octopus all those aspects of the series. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that Racanda Shuto was accusing Sherry Seymour of lying, and
Speaker 1: that Gunderson was representing Rikanda Shuto and where she came
Speaker 1: in and all this, and there's been a tax on
Speaker 1: her because speaking of Oklahoma City, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've seen it on Twitter a little lately, is in
Speaker 1: the last few days one of the researchers in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City who I used to really admire his opinion, has
Speaker 1: been going after doctor Wendy Painting and anyone who support
Speaker 1: or it's her, and there's been a war of words.
Speaker 3: And is this the guy that got arrested for murder
Speaker 3: or convicted of murder? The uh who?
Speaker 1: Going on Twitter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, his name was Joy and Cleebold.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, this is another Booth. He goes like, okay,
Speaker 1: see okay, see facts, and I guess Wendy Painting might
Speaker 1: have something.
Speaker 3: And now you know there was some guys seen that
Speaker 3: other guy. Yeah, okay, I've seen you. I want to
Speaker 3: make sure I wasn't thinking of the same guy. Okay,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Booth has been going like off on a tear
Speaker 1: and apparently what's there?
Speaker 3: What's their beef? Now? What's it? Ever?
Speaker 1: I think him and Wendy Painting used to be like close,
Speaker 1: like they used to kind of bounce ideas off each other,
Speaker 1: give each other research, and then I guess something happened
Speaker 1: where she said he was like, I guess being overly friendly.
Speaker 1: And then then it felt like after a while, I
Speaker 1: kind of like got quashed. And then recently it started
Speaker 1: up again. They got Terry Yeekey's widow involved and like
Speaker 1: just misrepresentation this and that. And then today he was
Speaker 1: going like scorched earth because people are telling him, hey,
Speaker 1: you're you're making this personal. And I guess that included
Speaker 1: Jesse Trena do the one whose brother was killed, who
Speaker 1: was uh found dead in prison what was it like,
Speaker 1: I think in the Midwest, or the one who they
Speaker 1: said killed himself but was beaten a pulp and he
Speaker 1: was might have had some information in regards to McVeigh and.
Speaker 3: Thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess trying to do And another guy,
Speaker 1: Ken Silva, who does great research, told Boot to tone
Speaker 1: it down and he basically said, fuck these guys, done
Speaker 1: with them, And yeah, he's like, I am the King,
Speaker 1: I'm this. I'm like, is this guy like fucking drugs
Speaker 1: or something like? I mean he went scorts with because
Speaker 1: even even Dana said Dana had tweeted said, what do
Speaker 1: you you know, what do you hope to get out
Speaker 1: of this? Like what's your what's your buddy? But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's trashed Sherry Sherry Seymour. He says that she's an
Speaker 1: FBI and formant. I said, this is like Posts. This
Speaker 1: is like first generation JFK assassination what cointel pro sort
Speaker 1: of thing where it's like everybody starts to distrust each other.
Speaker 1: It starts to be just like nothing but a tax
Speaker 1: and nobody knows who to trust mirage men. Like, there's
Speaker 1: just weird shit going on and is it just And
Speaker 1: I like Wendy Painting's book, but I said if if
Speaker 1: if I had issues with her, I said, I would,
Speaker 1: but I stay out of this ship. But it was
Speaker 1: just crazy because left and right posts today, this guy
Speaker 1: was going on.
Speaker 3: I like your style, sir. It's best not to get
Speaker 3: involved in these right. Yeah. It's uh, those of these
Speaker 3: matters though that seem to get pretty contentious. These folks
Speaker 3: get a real butter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only one I like watching is when Dana
Speaker 1: goes after Manny Manny Grossman, because Manny Grossman just seems
Speaker 1: like a guy who loves alienating everybody in his research.
Speaker 3: I not only love that statement. But I also have
Speaker 3: no idea what you're talking about, sir. But you were
Speaker 3: mentioning that that Clinton book earlier, So what was the
Speaker 3: theory there on the Oklahoma City stuff.
Speaker 1: It was one of the first time I ever saw
Speaker 1: the name Andrea Strasmeir and Lhem City and what was it,
Speaker 1: Bob Malar and Carol Howe and it kind of talks
Speaker 1: about that whole thing I never knew. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was like the first for me because I had, you know, questions.
Speaker 1: I was only you know, fourteen when Oklahoma City happened,
Speaker 1: but certain things didn't seem right. We went from the
Speaker 1: news that first day saying they thought it was like
Speaker 1: Islamic ge hot. That was like that first day, and
Speaker 1: then McVeigh gets arrested and they're like, oh, so we're
Speaker 1: going to completely different direction. And then you know, it
Speaker 1: was just my first kind of like eye opening, you know,
Speaker 1: aspect to Oklahoma City and they were saying, yes, it
Speaker 1: was possibly like a sting gone bad. And then that
Speaker 1: basically what happened to Howe afterwards, where she was kind
Speaker 1: of disavowed and I think, you know, they threw her
Speaker 1: under the bus, and I think that continued until her
Speaker 1: death this year, which got buried until who was it?
Speaker 1: The guy who wrote the Men who'ster at Goats Ronson?
Speaker 1: John Ronson, who Loves.
Speaker 3: Loves almost beat you to it, sir, almost got you.
Speaker 3: You've barely gotten me, Phil I got. I thought I
Speaker 3: had a book title before you. For a second, Dewey
Speaker 3: decimal system wins again, sir, I think I have to
Speaker 3: check out that book. That sounds very fascinating. If I
Speaker 3: may circle this back to Jay Simpson and uh Cocaine,
Speaker 3: Bob Evanson gang right, So yes, what was sir? What
Speaker 3: was the name of that book? Again? Your Secret Life?
Speaker 3: I forgot a book market The Secret Life of Dell Clinton.
Speaker 3: There we go, Thank you, sir. Let me make sure
Speaker 3: I save that here to here before I forget again
Speaker 3: the This sounds very fascinating. So I am interested in
Speaker 3: a lot of those aspects on whe or not I
Speaker 3: believe there was a we you know, we messed up. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 3: but thanks for playing FBI. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But I am interested in some of these perspectives because
Speaker 3: there is a lot going on that is very relevant
Speaker 3: today here still with with a lot of these matters,
Speaker 3: and it's old Firman that interests me relatively, the audio situation,
Speaker 3: the OJ situation, et cetera, and again and again his
Speaker 3: connection to the order which connects to the Yellowhem City stuff.
Speaker 3: Right so in Operation pack On Randy Weaver, part of
Speaker 3: the material Assistance Command of Bill Colby and Bill Colby's
Speaker 3: son testifying against O. Worenthal Jenny Simpson. It's the epicenter
Speaker 3: of these activities that concern me. Right. And again it's
Speaker 3: the throughput seems to be the cocaine trafficking in around
Speaker 3: cocaine Bob Evans, right. So, yeah, I do find those
Speaker 3: things very odd, and I wanted to play a couple
Speaker 3: of videos here to leave it back in here for
Speaker 3: us and close it out. And I do appreciate both
Speaker 3: your gents times this evening and in conversation. It's been
Speaker 3: a real barn burner. Hopefully it seems like folks of
Speaker 3: the interwepts have enjoyed it. However, I fell so far
Speaker 3: behind comments, I'm not sure folks are comment anymore. But
Speaker 3: I do appreciate the folks of the interweb't comments that
Speaker 3: I could keep up on it before. I do apologize,
Speaker 3: but the clips I wanted to play, I mentioned Jody
Speaker 3: Sweeping before in this whole full house and the la
Speaker 3: Riots were seeing pop off. You know, I think there
Speaker 3: isn't an aspect of what you're an out of work
Speaker 3: actor and it is a paying gig, right, But it
Speaker 3: does concern me considering Cocaine Bob's relations to you know,
Speaker 3: brokering the marriage between Rome and Polanski and Sharon Tate,
Speaker 3: and he seems like he was a processing in himself, right.
Speaker 3: I think that's what Maury Terry was kind of asserting
Speaker 3: there in the Ultimate Evil, that he was at the
Speaker 3: the upper echelon of whatever this cold activity was that
Speaker 3: was connected to the Son of Sam, that connected to
Speaker 3: Charles Manson and spawned from coast to coast to multiple decades,
Speaker 3: right in the Ultimate Evil, Right, So that zero on,
Speaker 3: you know, on the Inn, the O. J. Simpson situation, right,
Speaker 3: and then you know again the deep connections of all
Speaker 3: these things with the officers on that case to the
Speaker 3: Manson situation. You know, it's it's Van Atter, the lead
Speaker 3: detective in Simpson that arrests Polanski for that rapen back
Speaker 3: in seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 3: He would later claim that he would later claim, well,
Speaker 3: me and Roman are friends now so he can go
Speaker 3: f I mean, in death, he can go fuck himself.
Speaker 3: The uh, it's strange. I went deep on van Attur recently.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize he was one of those van Atters.
Speaker 3: So my clan Vance here we hail from Logan County,
Speaker 3: West Virginia, where my forefather, admir Vance was the settler
Speaker 3: there and back in the late eighteenth century, and right
Speaker 3: around that same time in Logan County, which is now
Speaker 3: within Virginia now West Virginia, fellow by the name of
Speaker 3: John van Atter settled there as well. And those van
Speaker 3: Atters intermarried with my clan Vance over the generations, where
Speaker 3: I have a lot of cousins named van Atter, and
Speaker 3: they have a lot of and they're all cousins Philip
Speaker 3: van Atter. So that got weird this week when I
Speaker 3: discovered that one the you know, it is the epicenter
Speaker 3: of all these people out there, like you know, and
Speaker 3: it's strange. So van Atter's father, grandfather, forefather, etcetera. Is
Speaker 3: all from Logan, Logan, Lincoln County in West Virginia, and
Speaker 3: right across the river you have Charles Manson hailing from
Speaker 3: right there too. It's just a weird epicenter of activity
Speaker 3: to find these folks involved in business in Los Angeles, right.
Speaker 3: But relative to these videos here it is that epicenter
Speaker 3: of activity with Manson and Cocaine Bob and the Tate
Speaker 3: Polanski house, which again has its connections to Idaho as
Speaker 3: well because Sharon Tate, the victim there in Colo Drive.
Speaker 3: Her father was US Army Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tait, and
Speaker 3: he would famously go undercover in nineteen seventy investigating his
Speaker 3: daughter's murder by growing his hair out long a beard
Speaker 3: and infiltrating the hippie scene. His protege was US Army
Speaker 3: intelligence officer who would apparently assist him. That man's daughter
Speaker 3: tells a story how her father would travel through numerous
Speaker 3: assignments as the protege to Colonel Paul Tate, and in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy they would move to the Bay Area where
Speaker 3: her father would go undercover for the next few years,
Speaker 3: and he wouldn't she wouldn't see him. I would argue
Speaker 3: he was assisting as boss Colonel Paul Tate and the
Speaker 3: investigation of the murder of Scharanty. That woman I call
Speaker 3: her the Gooch Idaho State Police detective Victoria Gooch. She
Speaker 3: is the most integral character in the case against the
Speaker 3: framed up case against Patsy Brian Koeberg and the four
Speaker 3: homicides at Curd eleven thirteen, twenty twenty two in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 3: So to say this character, there's not these weird connections
Speaker 3: again between all these scenes. You know, it's it's this way.
Speaker 3: It's just too much, Phil, It's too much. But we see,
Speaker 3: we see that same Ciela Drive property being purchased in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four by the executive producer.
Speaker 1: For Full House, Jeff Franklin.
Speaker 3: Jeff Franklin, Yes, sir, he would then purchase or he
Speaker 3: would build a monstrous home in the property, after destroying
Speaker 3: the original home where the murders occurred, and after kicking
Speaker 3: Trent residor Marilyn Manson out of the property, because that's
Speaker 3: he was residing there at the time they were renting.
Speaker 3: And you know, Marilyn Manson lives there today again, strangely enough,
Speaker 3: and in the basement of that property owned by the
Speaker 3: executive producer of Full House Land Manson lives again, is
Speaker 3: a museum to Elvis Presley. And if that's not a
Speaker 3: deep connection to Elvis in the Manson situation, I have
Speaker 3: a brief clip here to emphasize just how much Elvis
Speaker 3: and old Chuck knew each other. And maybe, in fact,
Speaker 3: Charles Manson was not a lined It was Buddy Michael
Speaker 3: moynihand's kind of his autobiographer, if you will there when
Speaker 3: he made that statement back in nineteen ninety five that
Speaker 3: he used to live on Elvis's house, because the bel
Speaker 3: Air house that Elvis oed there in the Beverly Hills
Speaker 3: about four miles away from the Cilow Drive home, so
Speaker 3: not that far away. But I you know, maybe that happened.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Charles Manson kicked Elvis's punk ass out to
Speaker 3: the curb like he claimed for it.
Speaker 5: In nineteen sixty nine, when Charles Manson kills Sharon Tate
Speaker 5: and all those people have said and remember, scared him
Speaker 5: to dead.
Speaker 1: He armed every one of us. That's when it became
Speaker 1: very paranoid.
Speaker 5: And then we get the death threat in Las Vegas
Speaker 5: and he has this picture of Manson in that courtroom,
Speaker 5: and he's picturing someone like that sitting in a courtroom
Speaker 5: that their claim to fame was they had shot and
Speaker 5: killed Elvis Presley, and he took Jerry and Red and
Speaker 5: myself who were doing the security mainly at that time,
Speaker 5: and said tearfully, if it happens, I want you to
Speaker 5: get to him first.
Speaker 1: I don't deserve to be cut shot killed by anybody.
Speaker 1: And then he told him told.
Speaker 3: Us what he wanted us to do to him. You know,
Speaker 3: kind of weird, kind of weird, right for these works.
Speaker 3: If they didn't know each other, why is he gearing
Speaker 3: up so much? He was about something, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well they were talking about again in that relationship
Speaker 6: with his ahead, and I would.
Speaker 1: Say, like, in the wake of the tape murders just
Speaker 1: had like you know, Hollywood, all of a sudden, they
Speaker 1: were like, yep, we gotta start arming, we gotta start
Speaker 1: getting guard dogs, you know, this and that, and you
Speaker 1: know it's like, well.
Speaker 3: It wasn't but the forefront of that, right, I'm cind now,
Speaker 3: go ahead. I was just saying, look, I'm making those statements, right,
Speaker 3: steph McQueen Peter yep, yep. Yeah, you mean the guy
Speaker 3: that was clearly in some weird sexual relations with cocaine
Speaker 3: Bob and his wife Ally mcgrall. That's Stephen queen, yep.
Speaker 1: And that at one point there was consideration of having
Speaker 1: McQueen killed.
Speaker 3: I have no doubt. You know what's funny he also
Speaker 3: hails from the same region in West Virginia as Philip
Speaker 3: van Atter and right across the river from Charles Manson.
Speaker 3: Strangely enough, that's for those I know that because I
Speaker 3: also got McQueen's of my family. In fact, i'm i'm
Speaker 3: we call herself my second grid grandmother dropped the mic
Speaker 3: and just went with Queen. But it's the same family there,
Speaker 3: and they all held from that region of Appalachia. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. There's a lot of weird, weird stuff
Speaker 3: there within all these these folks going back to that
Speaker 3: specific area of Appalachia. It seems like it seems like
Speaker 3: possibly in order dispute. But nonetheless that is a it's
Speaker 3: not epicenter of activity feeling. When we're going back to
Speaker 3: the full house stuff and cocaine Bob and Jody Sweet
Speaker 3: and so when I see Jodie Sweet and out there
Speaker 3: doing this stuff, you know, when I see that stuff
Speaker 3: and I see, uh, you know, the Jeff Franklin purchased
Speaker 3: in the Cla Drive property and letting clearly it's not
Speaker 3: really a change of you know, it's a change of
Speaker 3: ownership and you know, the physical structure. But you know,
Speaker 3: again Marilyn Manson was living there before and he's living
Speaker 3: there again, so what changed? You know? Then I see, uh,
Speaker 3: you know the Full House one, if you recall, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're sounds like we're the same age as a fella.
Speaker 3: I believe we've discussed this before as well, that you know,
Speaker 3: we're rough with the same age, the same as Nick is.
Speaker 3: We're all approximately the same age. Y'all. Remember Full House?
Speaker 3: You know, growing up there was the Beach Boys were
Speaker 3: prominently on that show. It seemed like that was a
Speaker 3: kind of a theme, right you know Charles Manson's friend,
Speaker 3: the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stamos drum for them too, Like he was in there.
Speaker 3: You mean the one you mean the video of the
Speaker 3: song written by Terry Melcher friend, he was co writer
Speaker 3: of co Coming along with the Wilson Boys. You know,
Speaker 3: Charles Manson's friends. You know that's crazy. You know the
Speaker 3: guy that lived at the Yellow Drive, right, you know?
Speaker 3: And then and then I see all these fellows with
Speaker 3: Cocaine Bob over the years. He's really chumming, like hugging
Speaker 3: around that Full House cast a lot. I'll tell you
Speaker 3: this much that's crazy. There he is with these Here
Speaker 3: he is with these fellas. So you know, when I
Speaker 3: see these things relative to the whole narrative of Elvis,
Speaker 3: the yellow drive of the Manson family, nonetheless, cocaine Bob,
Speaker 3: you know, I see Jody Sweeten out there, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, process, people got a process, Phil, They got
Speaker 3: to create chaos.
Speaker 1: Jody Sweeten used to have a hell of a drug
Speaker 1: habit too. I think she was like youth, Yeah, big
Speaker 1: meth addict.
Speaker 3: I think something like that. Yeah, don't you get a
Speaker 3: whole new teeth and stuff and everything? Right, she got
Speaker 3: a whole new grill. Right, that's how bad it got. Right.
Speaker 1: And two of the things, I still think saget step
Speaker 1: is very very weird.
Speaker 3: And uh, I think Saget's life is very weird.
Speaker 1: Sir well, yeah, and then what was it Franklin? Franklin
Speaker 1: got me tooed off? The Fuller House off? The spinoff?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: Is that a power move within the cult system? Possibly?
Speaker 1: I mean they said inappropriate behavior, which is a very
Speaker 1: wide spectrum. Are we talking Harvey Weinstein inappropriate? We're talking
Speaker 1: Joss Whedon or are we talking like Jeffrey tamboor what
Speaker 1: like what exactly the special about Are you just an
Speaker 1: asshole or are you just someone who like has inappropriate contact?
Speaker 3: I said, that's, you know, whatever, whatever happened to Dave Coolier.
Speaker 1: Cancer cancer. I know that he knows he's alive, but
Speaker 1: if we're talking inappropriate type about when did he start
Speaker 1: seeing alanas more many?
Speaker 3: He's Canadian? Has too many baron calls, lodges right here,
Speaker 3: you know, like Chris Farley, didn't.
Speaker 1: She she wrote, she wrote the the song you ought
Speaker 1: to Know that's about Dave Coolier no ship because he
Speaker 1: he was so a wealth of KnowledgeR. I had no
Speaker 1: idea that Nickelodeon. So Nickelodeon Dave Coolier had a show.
Speaker 1: Alanis Morrissett was on you can't do that on television
Speaker 1: for like about a year.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, she's like, how disgusting is that show? In
Speaker 3: hindsight of I may uh.
Speaker 1: The Nickelodeon legacy. I mean people think it started their dan.
Speaker 3: They're dropping, they're dropping you over all these kids town. Dude,
Speaker 3: it's like bou cocky festive sorts.
Speaker 2: See if you go back and look at some of
Speaker 2: that ship and you're like, yo, yeah, yep, it's uh.
Speaker 3: I'm creeping out, thin crypt out thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what like I just watched what was it?
Speaker 1: It was only through another podcast, uh like video the
Speaker 1: quiet on the set when they were talking about Dan Schneider,
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, no, I guarantee he wasn't
Speaker 1: the only one. But I said, yeah, it don't look good.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see the areonic grande stop.
Speaker 3: I had already read all them kids are a mess. Right,
Speaker 3: here's my problem with the Dan Schneider tale. I meant,
Speaker 3: he's obviously a full blown creepster. But that whole narrative
Speaker 3: relative to Amanda Mindes deters everybody from a very very
Speaker 3: important factor than the downturn and disaster that became Amanda
Speaker 3: Binds life. And that is for many years she was
Speaker 3: very close friends, many photographs, tabloids, et cetera, with a
Speaker 3: fellow by the name of J. J. Bryan. They were
Speaker 3: inseparable for about four and a half years. He was
Speaker 3: the leader of a neo process Church offshoot cult known
Speaker 3: as Victorianism, and he started that after he worked as
Speaker 3: the assistant for Major General retired Air Force Brent Scowcroft,
Speaker 3: the right hand man of Henry Kissinger, so he went
Speaker 3: from Scowcroft was also National Security advisor as well. So
Speaker 3: this dude goes from assistant and Gerald Ford so multiple times,
Speaker 3: much like as pal Kissinger multiple times. So this dude
Speaker 3: goes from being stag Crass's assistant to being I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go start this process church offshoot, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go be really good friends with Amanda Bines. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna say he was controlling her, but you look at
Speaker 3: the photographs, you decide you look at it. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying you feel I'm saying, folks of the Innerwebsite, don't
Speaker 3: my word for Just go look at these photos. You'd
Speaker 3: make your own decisions. And you know, I'm just saying
Speaker 3: Dan Schnighter obviously not good for Amanda Bynes' downturn. But
Speaker 3: let's also you know, look at some other factors I
Speaker 3: may have contributed, you know, JJ Bryn and and you know,
Speaker 3: perhaps she was a member of this neo process moving
Speaker 3: like them next to them girls in the Smallville show.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know what there was just to at
Speaker 1: a point there there's something with certain these kid kid actors.
Speaker 1: And then there was one, uh, there was an actor
Speaker 1: Andrew Keegan, who was in Ten Things I Hate About You.
Speaker 3: He was in I think talking about that weird cold
Speaker 3: he made out there for Santa Monica. Yep, oh shit,
Speaker 3: please do I love this story.
Speaker 1: I mean, I forget what the cult's name was, but
Speaker 1: I just remember seeing him. I'm like, yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: but that's a great example.
Speaker 3: He was like like an A lister, but he was
Speaker 3: his main like kind of heart prob character of Ten
Speaker 3: Things I Hate About You. He did some other stuff, right,
Speaker 3: He was in a.
Speaker 1: Like a modern art He was in another movie with
Speaker 1: Julia Stiles and was called oh and it was like
Speaker 1: a fellow modern day a fellow and what's the name
Speaker 1: Makai Piffer Josh.
Speaker 3: I totally forgot about this, dude. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 3: this up. I like this story. Andrew Keagan, right, yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: you'll recognize his face. Nick you may you mean, like
Speaker 3: his name is not notable, but he was in enough ship.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh that dude.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, he's got to have a Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: the source of all information on the interwece.
Speaker 2: He does sounds familiar thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't think of the other movies he was.
Speaker 3: He definitely did some of those nineties teen films, right,
Speaker 3: he was a nineties teen guy. This guy, I mean,
Speaker 3: now it looks like shit, but yeah, I mean you see,
Speaker 3: cocane's a hell of a drug. Films a drug. So
Speaker 3: is Jesus. Apparently this guy's got his own Like again,
Speaker 3: when I say Jesus, I mean he's got his own
Speaker 3: version of I think he's Jesus, kind of like Jared
Speaker 3: Leto's Jesus, you know what I mean, that kind of
Speaker 3: thing he's got that. That's the dynamic of his cult,
Speaker 3: as I recall, you know, Jared Lee's Leado's got his
Speaker 3: Jesus cult like where he's Jesus. My understanding, that's the
Speaker 3: deal here with this guys as well. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's explicitly Jesus, but here's the
Speaker 3: white you know what I mean, he's doing the whole
Speaker 3: Son of God routine. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I see Seventh Heaven on there, and that had a
Speaker 3: camp nowhere. That's what I was thinking of Camp nowhere.
Speaker 3: Christopher Lloyd, Yeah, John Jonathan Jackson, Jessica Alba. Right, we
Speaker 3: got a lot of stars in this one. They were
Speaker 3: early stars, right, anyway, So he's cult. That was very interesting.
Speaker 3: So after Hollywood right, which was early two thousands, I
Speaker 3: think he leaves right. Oh ship he was a Sabrina
Speaker 3: the Teenage Witch Show. Dude, Get out of Time, Joan Hart. Dude,
Speaker 3: he did a full House episode Holy Smokes.
Speaker 1: Love Love in Christopher Jodie Sweeten's character.
Speaker 3: Dude, he was an Independence Day dude. I don't know
Speaker 3: which one that was, Bill Paxton or Bill Pullman, whichever
Speaker 3: one was. They did a great job.
Speaker 1: Hey, Spaceballs Too is coming out. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 3: Dude, moranaz is coming out of retirement.
Speaker 1: Yep, Rick Moranis is coming out of retirement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's making the movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah? John Candy is surprising as role as Bar. I
Speaker 3: am making that up. B it's like that to three
Speaker 3: D hologram. No, I mean, I mean it's gonna not
Speaker 3: gonna be quite the same without Bar. But I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, don't be surprised they want to put Mike.
Speaker 3: I mean I just saw I think what's his name
Speaker 3: is involved. I think Josh gadd is involved with that. Well,
Speaker 3: I just I just got a little I got a
Speaker 3: little soured on it. Phil he wrote it is he
Speaker 3: gonna I know he was involved in writing the screenplay,
Speaker 3: but is he is he acting in it?
Speaker 1: Because he's not gonna act, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: he wants a bad in.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm pretty surprised. That's what I'm afraid of.
Speaker 3: The I you know, strangely enough, here, Wikipedia, the source
Speaker 3: of all information on the interwebs, does not list Andrew
Speaker 3: Keegan's cult. So let me look that up from us here.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's why because it's not a cult, it
Speaker 3: says right here, Phil, it's not a cult. It says
Speaker 3: it's community center. So that's when my that's where I aired, right,
Speaker 3: I was searching for cold. It's a community center. It's
Speaker 3: called Full Circle, right, And again it's it's very jart.
Speaker 3: It's like looking at the you know, he bought this
Speaker 3: place round the Santa Monica you know boardwalk, right or
Speaker 3: is the Venice Beach that told me look here? Anyway,
Speaker 3: it's right in the mix of like, you know, the
Speaker 3: old school new aged thing. I think this is actually,
Speaker 3: if I remember correctly, at one point in time years ago,
Speaker 3: served as some new age cult in its previous iteration
Speaker 3: of this building. What I'm saying is it's almost like
Speaker 3: they're one folds up and they're like, well, we got
Speaker 3: to bring in find me a new love Rand actor.
Speaker 3: He was a b rate actor from the nineties. Weve
Speaker 3: I got a new job for you. You're Jesus in
Speaker 3: this new colt on Santa Monica Boulevard. It's look, but
Speaker 3: it's a paying gig. I don't give a ship of
Speaker 3: your friend. Jodie Sweeten's got the Riot detail. You're getting
Speaker 3: the Jesus detail. That's kind of the way I look
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 1: Starring Roll, you don't have to worry about being titlecast anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, dude, royalties of this it's gonna be endless
Speaker 3: for you. But we're just gonna keep cutting your check.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to check for five dollars every
Speaker 1: week for ten things I had about you. Eventually it's
Speaker 1: gonna dry up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no one, No one likes that ship anymore.
Speaker 3: Heath Ledgerd don't even wantch it. None even knows the
Speaker 3: name of Heath Ledgerd anymore. Sadly, But see what, I
Speaker 3: didn't like him. He's a good actor, but you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But like, there's no way they're they're
Speaker 3: really playing that ship. There's so much there's not much
Speaker 3: play out of that stuff. So this this guy's looking
Speaker 3: for work, you know, and I and I and I
Speaker 3: don't say that in completely, you know, being a shithead
Speaker 3: about it, but like you know, when Bill Cosby got
Speaker 3: busted for all the jell O pudding rapes, he his
Speaker 3: you know, the cast of that show was living off
Speaker 3: of their royalties. They actually were getting royalty. So the
Speaker 3: fellow that played his son in law, Alvin or Elvin
Speaker 3: or some.
Speaker 1: Some some or that it was working at the supermarket.
Speaker 3: There you go, he started working at Trader Joe's. But
Speaker 3: so you know, these things happen. I don't disrespect him
Speaker 3: man for him to do that. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 3: you know, the royalties right up, because suddenly everyone's like,
Speaker 3: well we can't do Aaron Nobil raper shows, so we
Speaker 3: you know, we got to get fund a job. But
Speaker 3: so there is an element to these these actors and
Speaker 3: lack of royalties. They may they may find that they're
Speaker 3: living off of them that suddenly no longer exists. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for various reasons, you know what I mean, not necessarily
Speaker 3: the rapers, but well you gotta be you.
Speaker 1: Almost have to be like a united front on certain
Speaker 1: of these things, like what was it friends used to
Speaker 1: negotiate together for everything? And then Seinfeld when when the
Speaker 1: when Julia, Louis Dreyfus, Jason Alexander, Michael Richards heard about
Speaker 1: the deal that Larry David and Seinfeld cut for residuals
Speaker 1: and also DVD sales, They're like, we're getting a cut
Speaker 1: or we're never doing anything further for the show right now.
Speaker 3: It's a strong move. It's a power move. I like it.
Speaker 3: I respect that. Do you remember this film? I love
Speaker 3: the film. When I was a teenager, heard of it,
Speaker 3: never seen it. Oh man, it's a mind it's a
Speaker 3: mind fuck. Well and it may have been as a
Speaker 3: result of this fucking movie. Dude. I'm not making that up. Dude,
Speaker 3: this is a mind fuck. I mean, what's for you?
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? Oh man? I don't want I
Speaker 3: don't want to ruin your l's evening or cause any
Speaker 3: kind of disturbing thoughts. But this is a fucking weird movie, dude.
Speaker 3: I liked it it just because it was you know,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a thought provoking film, and I like
Speaker 3: things that mess with reality and timelines. Like this, but
Speaker 3: it's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Let me just read a synopsis for you, because I'm
Speaker 3: obviously not doing it any justice. But what what what?
Speaker 3: What caused this coming? I like the comment, I'm just
Speaker 3: curious what caused this.
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let me let me read this for you.
Speaker 3: After a car accident killed his mother and permanently his leg,
Speaker 3: teenager Michael Brower Edward prolong lives an isolated existence in
Speaker 3: his absent father's house. He spends his spare time watching
Speaker 3: his neighbor and crush Kimberly so that you know the
Speaker 3: kind of that, you know, the rear window situation, almost
Speaker 3: like a Hitchcock wave situation, right, so you know, not directly,
Speaker 3: but it's you know, they're paying homage to that aspect.
Speaker 3: In this horror film a Horror Films and Video Games plan,
Speaker 3: Michael's only friend is a similar minded misfit named Kyle.
Speaker 3: They are members of the school's horror club, which draws
Speaker 3: the principal's ire. After Kyle tells him about a new
Speaker 3: ultra realistic game called Brain Scan, Michael mail orders the
Speaker 3: first disc. So this is this is nineteen ninety four, right,
Speaker 3: so this is literally like I mean, this is right
Speaker 3: when they put some CDs and some games on a CD, right, like,
Speaker 3: this is a brand new shit for computers. So, you know,
Speaker 3: he he gets the the this is a horrible synopsis
Speaker 3: of running me on through, but so I'll give you
Speaker 3: the better one. So he put it's the disc in
Speaker 3: it plays the game, and it suddenly takes him into
Speaker 3: an alternate reality. But he doesn't realize spoiler alert from
Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety four film Folks. He doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 3: realize it obviously, but he's spun into an alternate reality
Speaker 3: that he wakes up into, you know, after playing this game. Right,
Speaker 3: So he puts the game and starts playing, and then
Speaker 3: you know, see some like almost like hypnotic imagery, right,
Speaker 3: And the next thing he knows, he's falling asleep and
Speaker 3: he wakes up and he's in a again. He doesn't
Speaker 3: realize it. It's a shifted reality and it's a fucking
Speaker 3: you know, hellscape reality kind of deal, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, And it's it's being dictated by this
Speaker 3: character he meets in the game, and it's eventually very
Speaker 3: haunting and et cetera, et cetera. But so it's not
Speaker 3: just the rare window aspects. They mashed together some very
Speaker 3: interesting horror, you know, story aspects. But I recommend the film.
Speaker 3: But just you know, clari away your evening. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: just gonna maybe watching the afternoon, you know, it's I
Speaker 3: just remember watching it for the first time. It's not
Speaker 3: like I go had nightmares. I remember being up like
Speaker 3: holy fuck. That was like, you know, like for example,
Speaker 3: I went and saw the movie Inception at the theater,
Speaker 3: and then I walked out of the theater walk right
Speaker 3: back against all the inception again because I was like,
Speaker 3: what the funk just happened? You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: had one of those kind effects to you, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So it was a good film, I mean,
Speaker 3: and right, yeah, you're right right after that, you know,
Speaker 3: Edward Edward Furlong looks like an old lesbian now like
Speaker 3: a middle aged Lesbion, you know, he's not aged.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, he kind of like Axl Rose to a Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they twins because cocaine's a hell of a
Speaker 3: drug apparently.
Speaker 1: Well have you seen the picture of like someone was
Speaker 1: like when did Axl Rose turn into Mama for Telly
Speaker 1: from the Goonies?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mickey Rourke and Axle Rose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're rough Man Mickey Rourck holy Ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you seen that photo with those two together.
Speaker 3: They look like an old lesbian couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely do. You know.
Speaker 3: They have a couple of cats. They knit and they
Speaker 3: knit some spiders together on the porch, you know, you
Speaker 3: know that's what they look like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they showed a picture. I think it was like
Speaker 1: a horror convention and it was like, uh, people from
Speaker 1: Terminators like Robert Patrick, you know T two from the
Speaker 1: second the T one thousand from T.
Speaker 3: Two kind of the height of his career, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's he's he's.
Speaker 1: Been in a lot of I mean, he was in
Speaker 1: Sons of Anarchy and like he's been, he's been around.
Speaker 3: That was my nice way I'm saying he's a terrible
Speaker 3: I've seen around.
Speaker 2: Yes, Uh.
Speaker 1: And his brother was in the group Filter that he
Speaker 1: was the lead singer Filter.
Speaker 3: That's right, and but right who was it wasn't that
Speaker 3: their their single filter? Hey Man Knight shot.
Speaker 1: Shot Yep, yep, that was that? Because Richard Patrick, the
Speaker 1: brother was also I think in nine inch Nails. I
Speaker 1: think at one point or at least I know he
Speaker 1: was connected with Trent Reznor.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we did not know that. I did not
Speaker 3: know that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: There's a picture he was Edward for a long. Lance Hendrickson,
Speaker 1: who was in the First Terminator. It was also when
Speaker 1: Aliens and tons of other ship, who's like eighty something
Speaker 1: years old now, Michael bim who was uh Kyle Reese from.
Speaker 3: Dude, he was a big star like that. He had
Speaker 3: a lot of hopes for him. He was an alien too, right, Yep, he.
Speaker 1: Was an alien. He was an Aliens with Lance Henderson
Speaker 1: and uh.
Speaker 3: He was in uh Tombstone, you know he was. He
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna be your huckleberry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And uh he's the one who said later on
Speaker 1: about Valcolmer is like, like I wish I'd worked with him.
Speaker 1: I knew Doc Holliday, you know, like I guess Valcolmer
Speaker 1: was in totally Ship. Oh yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 3: I mean they look so they're just a couple. They're
Speaker 3: just an old age and lesbian couples. Big well, look
Speaker 3: how look at the cocaine does to these fellows. I
Speaker 3: mean that's a fucking hell of a drug.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, rough, Well, another Cocaine Bob connection, who
Speaker 1: was one of the good buddies.
Speaker 3: Slash, you ain't kidding the next door neighbors. You ain't kidding, sider.
Speaker 3: They were real tight.
Speaker 1: And he put in Kid Notorious, the Comedy Central show
Speaker 1: that got bounced after a season.
Speaker 3: Now, there's lots of photos with him. Like if I
Speaker 3: was to give you an analysis of all the photographs
Speaker 3: I've looked at, and I looked at a lot of
Speaker 3: Cocaine Bob, you know, from various events and whatnot. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you two things. Him and Slash are real tight.
Speaker 3: And he liked to kiss Brett Rattner. Him and Brett
Speaker 3: Ratner liked to smooch. They smooched a lot, and boys
Speaker 3: were smooching everywhere another another me too, guy, Brett Ratner. Well,
Speaker 3: he's also the partner long term business partner in production.
Speaker 3: Is a co owner of the production company with Steve
Speaker 3: minuchein you know, skulling bonesman and Treasury secret Chary in
Speaker 3: the first Trump administration. It's a weird per center of
Speaker 3: activity when you're smooching on Steve Manuchin's business partner. Every buddy,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on in life, but it's
Speaker 3: a weird per center of activity. Cocaine Bob is always
Speaker 3: at it though, right.
Speaker 1: Said, even dead, he's still at it.
Speaker 3: Even in death. He's still even in death. He's got
Speaker 3: his minions, Graydon Carter or Barry Diller. You know these
Speaker 3: these characters, they're out there doing the building. And I
Speaker 3: would argue of old Cocaine Bob. Yeah, great partner. Is
Speaker 3: that Vanity Fair? Uh he came from Vanity Fair. Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: he's the one who's founded airmail and and and uh employees.
Speaker 3: Howard bloom In regards to the Outaho for business.
Speaker 1: Well, Vanity Fair had a guy I think it was
Speaker 1: Ron Rosenbaum who wound up writing a book, a book
Speaker 1: wrote an article about Danny Castelaro, trying to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, he got obsessed with the case and then
Speaker 1: killed himself. No shoot, yeah, he went back and then
Speaker 1: said that he did the slashes on the wrist to
Speaker 1: represent the octopus. It was a real reach, but not a.
Speaker 2: Surprise real reach. It was a real reach. Yeah you're back,
Speaker 2: Oh my back, my back back again.
Speaker 3: Well that's may be a good time to call it
Speaker 3: in your folks, bring us in for lane and focus
Speaker 3: on your webs and gents. I appreciate your time. Phil
Speaker 3: I'm obviously gonna tell you I'm gonna need to go
Speaker 3: ahead and get a you know, after the show, you know,
Speaker 3: in the near future. Get get get our calendars together
Speaker 3: for a future appearance back here on Fridays, because I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna lie you here again. I got nothing but
Speaker 3: notes and details, and I enjoy every minute of these conversations.
Speaker 3: And I greatly appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Did you freeze again? It's definitely, It's definitely time the rabbit.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, gna hold silly old silly, my back, my back,
Speaker 3: all right, get back, get back. If I if i'm if,
Speaker 3: I may offer you some closing statements sacred you know,
Speaker 3: by all means as many statements as you need to
Speaker 3: anything you want to wrap up tonight, or any statements
Speaker 3: you like to make their Philkas a hell of the drug.
Speaker 3: Cocaine is a hell of a drug, very accurate statement,
Speaker 3: very accurate statement, seriously, lots of great stuff, and any
Speaker 3: any other closing statements for for anything you want to
Speaker 3: sum up and you put a book in on maybe
Speaker 3: uh you know, just uh you want to recommend folks
Speaker 3: check out maybe anything you're working on blog wise? Do
Speaker 3: you know anything like that or Man.
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always reading something. But you know, right
Speaker 1: now I think my next conspiracy anything book that I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I was reading the book about Howard Hughes and I
Speaker 1: know that's a big topic.
Speaker 3: I know, Heidi, I know, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually it just told her about a book
Speaker 1: I was doing for a review. It's called The Mormon
Speaker 1: the Mormon Mafia in Me about a guy who's suing
Speaker 1: uh the LDS Church in regards to stealing his family's
Speaker 1: fortune and disinheriting him out of two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars. What.
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm hearing you say, sir, is the next
Speaker 3: time you're here, HEDI will be here, will be discussing
Speaker 3: some Mormon business as well.
Speaker 1: Sounds good to me.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. You're welcome to the time. But I don't
Speaker 3: know that story. And I'm a form former. I'm an
Speaker 3: x me myself, so this all sounds very intriguing to me.
Speaker 3: And so are you doing a review on this on
Speaker 3: your blog?
Speaker 1: And is that is that the I actually reviewed it
Speaker 1: for one of the review companies, and it's it's an
Speaker 1: interesting case. Uh. Eliason is the guy's last name. His
Speaker 1: name is Brett Brett Eliason E L I A s
Speaker 1: O N. I did. I did reach out to Heidi
Speaker 1: and let her now. She wasn't familiar with it either.
Speaker 1: But the guy's not only suing the ld S church
Speaker 1: and the law firm that represented his family. Uh, he
Speaker 1: also is brought in. I think he's sued the Justice
Speaker 1: Department too, Like he's I mean, the accusations.
Speaker 3: And everybody, everybody. Can you spell this name for me?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: H L I A S O N.
Speaker 1: Yep, you got it.
Speaker 3: He's not a former member of Pearl Jam, is he? No,
Speaker 3: there's a former member Parl Jam by that precise same
Speaker 3: name spelling, which.
Speaker 1: Would be news to me because I know, I know
Speaker 1: all the guys, the only only members of Pearl Jam
Speaker 1: that's ever changed with the drummer.
Speaker 3: The studio guy. Maybe that'd probably look yeah, well I'll
Speaker 3: look in to see what the same It might be
Speaker 3: weird of the same guy, right, that'd be really weird.
Speaker 3: Right he was, Uh, I don't know. He he he
Speaker 3: had some some maybe it was a studio, maybe it
Speaker 3: was a you know, he had he had some product,
Speaker 3: maybe a production aspect to it. He was connected a
Speaker 3: long time, you know, associated Pearl Jam with a guy
Speaker 3: by that name. So okay, yeah, he was in the
Speaker 3: film Singles with Pearl Jam. Like I don't Rember, I
Speaker 3: don't want to say he was, like I don't want
Speaker 3: to call him the synthesizer of the cymbals guy, but
Speaker 3: like he was something you know of that of that
Speaker 3: ilk right, yeah, not a main guy, but maybe he
Speaker 3: studio musician sessions. Yeah, something like that, you know something,
Speaker 3: but you know enough when the band was in the
Speaker 3: film singles, he he as he's in the scene. Okay,
Speaker 3: so that's uh. And as you did that review for
Speaker 3: a publisher that's not available on your blog, then huh.
Speaker 1: No. And I don't know if they published it yet,
Speaker 1: you know, but one of the yeah, one of the
Speaker 1: review companies because a lot of times like I'll have
Speaker 1: to go look it up and see if they've done
Speaker 1: it yet or whatnot, and what they've edited or whatnot.
Speaker 1: But it's what it's us book review. It's they're one
Speaker 1: that kind of they're good. I've been with them for
Speaker 1: like three years and uh, yep, that's it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the book is basically presents like it's a legal case
Speaker 1: and you know, it kind of just he's like the
Speaker 1: youngest of three kids. He accuses his sister. His sister
Speaker 1: is like one of the people he accuses of helping
Speaker 1: disinherit him and attempt murdering his mom.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know much about the curtain McConkie law from.
Speaker 3: Rather than McConkie's are a former you know, that's the
Speaker 3: hierarchy of the Upper echeland, the Mormon Church right there.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure sure they're the wisest people to
Speaker 3: take a battle against too. So this is an interesting tale,
Speaker 3: it sounds like, and it sounds like one with a
Speaker 3: lot of Mormon power behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: I mean definitely like the David and Goliath.
Speaker 3: Sort of thing, like were ship right right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to get anything out
Speaker 1: of it, but yeah, I mean it's broken him from
Speaker 1: the rest of his family, and you know, I mean
Speaker 1: he levy some you know, some very serious charges against
Speaker 1: his own sister.
Speaker 3: You know, does this have anything to do with the
Speaker 3: who were the fellows there we were talking about before
Speaker 3: Nick the leave its.
Speaker 1: I've heard of those guys. I think those are the
Speaker 1: guys that uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well one of them was the governor. The one
Speaker 3: the one that was not the governor was the brother
Speaker 3: that was the Utah County prosecutor that was had the
Speaker 3: had the press conference like, Hey, my wife and I
Speaker 3: don't eat kids. We're like, no one asks you you
Speaker 3: get kids, buddy? Why you hold a conference?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he told himself. And then they looked into him like, Yo,
Speaker 2: why are you even saying that.
Speaker 3: What a weird thing to say, sir, Why are you
Speaker 3: telling you this.
Speaker 1: It's just such weird things inside that I mean in
Speaker 1: that church, I mean just in terms of the scandals
Speaker 1: are always insane. I still got to watch the was
Speaker 1: It under the Banner of Heaven?
Speaker 3: And one that they see in the one on Mark Hoffmann.
Speaker 1: I saw the Netflix on I think on Hoffman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that. I remember hearing about what
Speaker 1: was it with the hand with breaking his hand or
Speaker 1: whatever it was that he couldn't write anymore, couldn't do
Speaker 1: forgeries or whatnot. But I was watching that FX mini
Speaker 1: series Under the Banner of Heaven about the what was it?
Speaker 1: The the wife and child that were killed and it
Speaker 1: was like they think it was like the brothers in
Speaker 1: law I think wound up being involved or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think it was in the eightiesventies, you know, folks,
Speaker 3: A lot of I like to point figures of the
Speaker 3: Catholics in the Vatican with they're you know, the mothership
Speaker 3: as I call them. In Salt Lake. They got a
Speaker 3: lot of scandals themselves, right, Yeah, definitely interesting. We can
Speaker 3: talk about some Mormon stuff in the future. I'm always
Speaker 3: happy to do that, sir. So I appreciate your time there, Phil,
Speaker 3: And if I may ask, do you have any uh,
Speaker 3: closing statements, thoughts or anything you like to plug or
Speaker 3: maybe sing us a song.
Speaker 2: No, you're not gonna want that especially, Uh no, no,
Speaker 2: nothing really.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: A lot of stuff again, Phil, whenever you come on,
Speaker 2: it's just tons and tons of shit.
Speaker 4: I always appreciate it. A good time, the chat, that's
Speaker 4: what's up. Oh yeah, I just pluged the ocult rejects. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know all major podcasts, bit you rumble all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Yes, well, I appreciate your gents
Speaker 3: time and discourse conversation here from other outstanding Fridays and
Speaker 3: folks of the interwebs. Same to you, appreciate the chat
Speaker 3: and the UH folks here. UH hopefully we found this
Speaker 3: as entertaining as I did, because I definitely enjoyed the
Speaker 3: conversation and had a great time there were both To
Speaker 3: the gents and UH Operation GCD Sundays may or may
Speaker 3: not have eaten human beatburgers come find out Eastern Times.
Speaker 3: And on that note, I will leave it on that
Speaker 3: thank you all again,