WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.879 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.640 What's gonna happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:29.160 Aladi? Folks, your host double J back here for another Fridays. Uh, 5 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.320 welcome back. We got a uh royal barnburner here on 6 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:37.079 deck tonight, of course as always, and UH got uh 7 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.520 returning guest here and before I introduced myself or I'm sorry, 8 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.079 my co host Nick once again, that's j J. Vance, 9 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.920 host of Operation g c D and perhaps more notably 10 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:54.079 not the vice president. Nick. Welcome to Fridays. Hey doing sir? 11 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:54.880 All right? 12 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.039 I think I'm doing okay. It's a little bit better 13 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:58.640 than it was earlier. 14 00:00:58.960 --> 00:00:59.520 That's a plus. 15 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.119 We're both on a park today. Huh. 16 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:01.359 Yo. 17 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.200 I woke up like I woke up like and like 18 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.519 just coughed up something, and I was like, I'm going 19 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:07.040 to say to myself what the fuck was that? And 20 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:08.959 nothing was coming out of it. I was like, Yo, 21 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.840 what the fuck's wrong with my throat? I'm like talking 22 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:12.439 to myself in the bathrooms, like and here, how fucked 23 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:12.799 up it is? 24 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:14.439 Like it just. 25 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:18.200 The uh allergy? 26 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.560 I'm blaming about the allergies. 27 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.680 Yeah, yeah, I was actually wondering about that because I 28 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:24.560 know it was fucking up headless yesterday when I was. 29 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:29.439 On the show coming in hot with some allergions. We 30 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:31.920 had a real barn burner earlier today before we get started. 31 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.719 What else is going on the Occult Rejects besides the 32 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.480 barn burner we had today with a yeah. 33 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.560 Yeah, people don't catch definitely go catch that show that 34 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:40.680 we just did earlier. That was fucking like almost it 35 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.599 was like three hours, I think, like on the dot almost. 36 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.719 Yeah, a lot of you don't even feel like it 37 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:47.359 right because like I was like, oh shit, they we 38 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:48.120 heard three hours. 39 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:50.200 When it went to two hours, I was like, holy shit, 40 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:51.879 it's been that long. And then I was like, all right, 41 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:53.680 maybe it's like two twenty five to thirty hours. 42 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:55.680 We're wrapping it up. And I saw like three hours. 43 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.319 I was like, hop yeah, dude, did I feel like 44 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:00.159 that long at all? 45 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:01.760 Great convo? 46 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.319 Yeah, but uh yeah, besides that, I mean, what did 47 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:06.640 I have? Did anything drop this week? 48 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.080 They were, oh, we had the time slips actually dropped 49 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:11.599 today if people haven't checked it out on audio the 50 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.080 Ocult Rejects and video on my end as well. 51 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.439 And you were in that with uh Rye right. 52 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:21.800 Yes, sir, it's an excellent conversation with a guest Former 53 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.840 guests here of Fridays In and Occult Rejects Rye from 54 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:28.120 Codegus Codex of Curiosities. That's a lot of words, but 55 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:28.879 it's a great show. 56 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.520 Yes, yes, yeah, we had that. 57 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.400 Then we got ah this weekend we have the High 58 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:37.439 Strangeness at Dudley Town with the Cult of Conspiracy. 59 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.599 We both did too. Do you remember that one? 60 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:44.280 That was a really out I'm not gonna lie to you, 61 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.560 like I say, these are real barnbers, but that was 62 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.800 a real outstanding show with those gents. They're yeah, Conspiracy. 63 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.879 I didn't I wasn't familiar with their work, but I 64 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:53.560 like their style. 65 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:55.439 Mm hmm. No. 66 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.080 They when they cover topics, they do a pretty thorough 67 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:00.319 So that's why, because I knew it was going to be, 68 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:01.680 you know, solid work if they came on. 69 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.479 So good call, because I listened to one of their 70 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.719 shows in preparation just to see what they're like, you know, 71 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.599 get a little flavor of their show. I mean, I 72 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.319 enjoyed it, but you know what I'm saying, Like they 73 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:12.879 came in hot with some good stuff there. 74 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:15.960 Me and Teresa have covered a few topics on their 75 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.520 show before, as well, and it's always gone well, Like 76 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.879 even if I'm bringing up something that they don't even know, 77 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:22.719 somehow they even have stuff to add to it. 78 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:24.039 It's it's just wolves works out fun. 79 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.520 Julia does a lot of work over there on Saturdays here. 80 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.400 Yep, yep, she's got a she's got like a day 81 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:32.800 on their rotation. I'm not exactly. I think they do 82 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:34.680 like a show it to every day. I think she 83 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:36.360 is like one of those spots or something like that. 84 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.199 Yeah, I think she said Saturdays Julia from Cosmic Peach, 85 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.080 who was also with us this afternoon for the Austin 86 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:43.680 Waite Percarticulet Reject Show. 87 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.719 Yes, but uh, anything else, I think, let me see 88 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:49.159 what I have coming up next week. 89 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:50.759 Anything that we did. 90 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.080 Oh, Scientology and Battlefield Earth with rack Andy Krops next. 91 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.360 Week coming in hot. That's a great one. I really 92 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:57.199 enjoyed that one too. 93 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:58.000 That was good too. 94 00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:59.759 Yeah yeah, yeah, that and that and then we have 95 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:01.879 been Symbolism the symbolic studies. 96 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.080 You weren't there for that. That was like the occult stuff. 97 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:06.439 I listened to that one. Now, that was a good one. 98 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:07.439 I enjoyed that one. 99 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:09.879 Yeah, yeah, but we got that coming up. 100 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:11.719 Was that with the one with rot No one that's 101 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.000 not Rob you said, symbolic studies. Oh, I actually I 102 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.720 keep on missing his shows that he was on there recently, 103 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.480 one of the Occult Reject shows. You know, we always 104 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:22.399 Joe Joe. We were joking because we're always kind of 105 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:23.839 seeing each other in passing and whatnot. 106 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he shows up in a lot of 107 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.079 the lives. We're actually scheduling a Nazi symbolism with him. 108 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.600 Oh yeah, that one's there. 109 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.120 Oh yeah, yeah, sure Nazis. 110 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.399 Now you're talking my language. 111 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:36.040 Yea. 112 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.920 When he he suggested it, and then I was like, yo, 113 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:39.839 say no more. 114 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.000 And sadly you won't be able to make it for 115 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.480 this one coming up on Operation GCD Live The Occult 116 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.759 Rejects End of month review. On Operation GCD Live, we're 117 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.839 doing uh and occult Esoteric review of So I married 118 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.240 an axe murderer on the twenty fifth. But you'll uh, 119 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:56.360 you'll be there Wednesday, right. 120 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.160 I may not even be home next week because well 121 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.000 the twenty and through the twenty fourth, for sure, I'm 122 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.560 gonna be at the summit. But then I may actually 123 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:05.680 have to film something a day or two more after that. 124 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.519 But yeah, that's something I could have too. That would 125 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.519 be going to Mount Pilot's summit next week to film 126 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:16.399 the UFO alien fucking thing going on over there. Question 127 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:21.199 for you technically, technically it could be possible this time 128 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:21.920 next week. 129 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.000 I could have met Randall Colson at this point. 130 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:25.519 Yeah. What's that called? 131 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:26.480 Eh? 132 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:27.040 This album? 133 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:28.199 I don't even know the name of it. 134 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.639 Something I looked forward before. I'll look forward again. Here. 135 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:33.240 Where do you find it? 136 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:35.839 You should have somebody send me a link. 137 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:37.560 You'll put it up if you find it. 138 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:38.120 Yeah. 139 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.639 Yeah, yeah, so you'll miss that one because of your 140 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.720 your Mount Pilot escapades of the UFO conference. That that 141 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:45.839 sounds exciting, man. 142 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.600 Yeah, yeah, should help at least meet people with my 143 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:51.160 filming equipment shout to. 144 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.040 Say, it sounds it sounds like an exciting, you know, 145 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.160 opportunity to get get some your equipment out and operational. 146 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:01.040 Yeah yeah, but you'll you'll be joining Operation GCD on 147 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.879 Wednesday the eighteenth, though, right for the Oh Yes Occult 148 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.360 Esoteric review of the film Ghost Story, where author Jonathan 149 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.120 Mitchell has outlined how this story, written in nineteen seventy eight, 150 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.240 contemporary to the Son of Sam, you know, right after 151 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.959 its arrest David Burke, which is arrest This dude has 152 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.120 inserted a bunch of elements of the Sun of Sam 153 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.959 Tale and the Processed Church. At the time, they're into 154 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:29.800 this horror story, right, ghost story, So that'll be a 155 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:30.639 fun one there on one. 156 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:31.839 Yeah, forth to that one. 157 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:35.959 And then I also got a quick a couple of 158 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.360 quick plugs before we go to our guests here this evening. 159 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.879 Those are the next two Operation GCD Lives and I 160 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.879 got this is coming up on Sunday for Sundays Operation 161 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.399 GCD Patreon the links in the description here on the 162 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:52.079 link tree. This is Meet Nathaniel bar Jonah, Operation GCD 163 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.759 Sunday's volume three. Oh shoot, it is three, almost said two. 164 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.120 The legend of I wish it was to I wish 165 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.439 I'd forget about it. I wish it was zero. I 166 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.399 wish I'd forget about Robert the Dall and Buffalo Jared both. 167 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:07.639 But the legend of Nathaniel Barjona. This is the fellow homicidal, 168 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:13.240 kid diddling, cannibalistic, psychopathic serial killer that I came face 169 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.600 to face with in Great Falls, Montana back in two 170 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.920 thousand and one, and may or may not have served 171 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.519 me human meatburgers at the heart. He's on Central Avenue 172 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.399 on the late night back in Great Falls in the 173 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.560 summer of two thousands, so that'll be a fun filled adventure. 174 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.519 And then the following week the detective who worked that case, 175 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.839 who busted Nathaniel Barjona, the homicide detective for Great Falls, 176 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.959 Montana Police Department, would later go on in life to 177 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.199 write what I would call the seminal study on thus far, 178 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.839 at least on the serial killer you've never heard of 179 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:49.439 Edward Wayne Edwards. So those are those are my exciting 180 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.000 sighting plugs coming up here for Operation GCD. And then 181 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.040 of course, as you said, I'm always apprecipating over there 182 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.240 at cult Rejects, and I always appreciating the invite, sir. 183 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.879 Yeah, So of course it's always great. 184 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.879 We have we have some conversations. Again, like today, I'm 185 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:07.560 a big fan of Austin Waypercard. He's a you know, 186 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.040 at his age, I certainly wasn't coming up with the 187 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.120 ideas or having the interest of the of the subjects 188 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.560 he's he's interested in today. So I like to see 189 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.600 the the youth of today. You know, he's not you know, obviously, 190 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.560 he's a he's a man. He's an adult, but I'm saying, like, 191 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.759 you know, much younger than man one myself. So and 192 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:23.639 I certainly wasn't into that stuff at his age. 193 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.240 So you wonder about that if we had the technology 194 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:27.720 at our finger tips at that age, we'll be doing 195 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:28.199 the same stuff. 196 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:28.560 Anyway. 197 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.879 Yeah, I've actually thought the same thing myself, because you know, 198 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:33.720 I try to. You know, I try to. And I'm 199 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:35.399 not saying I'm mentor folks, but I try to. You know, 200 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.200 I'm happy to answer questions and whatnot. I have a 201 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.840 number of folks of you know, ranging from twenty five, 202 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.960 I think, young thirties there. In Alston's case, I believe 203 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.159 you know, I enjoy sharing notes with because I I'm 204 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.399 excited that they have such an interest in these subjects 205 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:50.720 at such such a young age, because again I didn't, 206 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:53.840 not not to this degree, right, I mean you know 207 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.080 what I mean, not where I'm having a podcast or 208 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.080 sharing sharing information with people reading about subjects. Sure, right, 209 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.919 but you know, but that that uh free flow of 210 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:04.600 information I do think is key. Right. 211 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:10.639 Oh yeah, and then what's that you got a lot 212 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:11.039 up in there? 213 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.639 He retains a lot, dude. I like it. I like 214 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.159 it so last plug here before we get to our guests, 215 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.759 and I apologize for the any long winded delays here. 216 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.919 I got Operation GCD Thursday's Patreon coming up this Thursday 217 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.159 the nineteenth at eight pm. And that's the anatomy of 218 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.519 Satanic Panic kind of unpacking you know, the whole the 219 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.039 whole Satanic Panic narrative, the major characters that we see 220 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.960 in there perpetrating these things, and comparing the the propaganda 221 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.919 to the actual real world events that were transpiring, you know, contemporaneously, 222 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.120 you know, in a you know, kind of a chronological fashion. 223 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.679 But obviously this fella, this muppetized fella right here, Michael Akino, 224 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.039 is going to play a major role in that series. 225 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.559 So speaking of Satanic Panic, I do have Stephen Flowers 226 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.360 coming on my show this Sunday from the Tumblow set. 227 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:00.440 Guys, you want to get you a fellow of Satan Panic. 228 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:01.840 Definitely checked that out. 229 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:03.399 Yeah, he's gonna tell you all about it. 230 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:08.600 Yes, he's got it's a panic though, right see, I 231 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:10.600 asked him to come on to talk about. 232 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.399 You know what I mean. Yeah, Well, I just you know, 233 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.559 it was interesting. I was already writing this series when 234 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.559 when Gina Black, which I thoroughly enjoyed her positions on 235 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.799 opinions on everything. You know, I don't want the world 236 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:24.039 to agree with me, you know what I mean? 237 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.000 Yeah, I mean the check was off for cemeteries. And 238 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.879 I don't think she's like a conspiracy. 239 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.200 Yeah, but she was coming at you know, she was 240 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:32.440 she seemed like she was interested to hear more about 241 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:36.320 the Westmos already, and it wasn't right. 242 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.159 I think anything else and what the news told her. 243 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.200 I just wouldn't have expected that, you know what I'm. 244 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.799 Saying, Oh, for sure, But you know, I just think 245 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.840 that's part of you know, that conversation. In my opinion, 246 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.399 commoncapsulate where my motivations in that series. You know, there's 247 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.080 very reasonable, intelligent folks in this day and age that 248 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.759 they think it was a Satanic panic. And you don't 249 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:56.360 have to be a member of the Temple of Set 250 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:57.159 to have that opinion. 251 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:57.960 Mhm. 252 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.559 It's because they've subscribed, you know. And I don't fault 253 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.600 folks for falling for the magic show. But it is 254 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.159 a magic show. And speaking of magic shows, there's an 255 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.919 expert tonight here on magic shows of a Hollywood Bob 256 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:13.080 Cocaine variety. How you doing sir, good, how's it going? Excellent? Phil, 257 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.960 Phil Gazara, welcome back for some fridays here. Now. You 258 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.440 were with us a few weeks back, and I couldn't 259 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.559 could have enjoyed it more. A lot of fun. 260 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:23.159 Thank you for having me. 261 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.320 Well, an any man, any man knowledgeable in the life 262 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.080 and times of Bob Cocaine Evans is somebody I want 263 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.039 to talk to. And you, uh, you have a lot 264 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.759 of details. 265 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.480 Always I know, I know a little about the man. 266 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:47.120 I mean, definitely, I mean for breakfast, just I mean 267 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:51.639 an interesting figure. I mean between you know, his long 268 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.879 his long career in show business, between being like at 269 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.440 one point he was a voice actor in New York 270 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:04.279 for like radio shows, and then you know, then you know, 271 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:05.919 there was kind of like that period when he was 272 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.840 working for his brother with the clothing company. 273 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.440 And Charles, Charles is an interesting character for himself, right yep. 274 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.360 Yeah, And well Charles is the one who figures into 275 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.039 his the Cocaine bust. 276 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.679 Right well, Charles, they do everything in life. And it's 277 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.399 Charles and Charles Junior that fund and produced Johnny Depp's 278 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:27.600 first directorial debut. 279 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.279 Wow, well it's weird enough. So I was just looking. 280 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:34.799 So I just finished The Fat Lady Saying, which was 281 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.559 the sequel to the Kid Stays in the Picture, and 282 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.440 I'm looking at the picture. Yeah, yeah, because it's it's 283 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.679 based off of Evans after he has his stroke, like 284 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.519 three strokes that almost killed him back in ninety eight. 285 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:52.200 Yep. 286 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:57.519 Yeah. And then I'm looking at the picture of his son, Josh, 287 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.840 his son with Ally McGrath, and I'm like, I've seen 288 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:02.960 this guy, like I know I've seen him, and I'm like, 289 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.159 all of a sudden, I could decide to look up 290 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.159 the movie Ricochet with Denzel Washington and John Loftkow, good 291 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.600 nineties movie, and he plays John Liftko is like right 292 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:17.120 hand guy in it. And he also played Tom Cruise's 293 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:18.559 brother and born on the fourth of July. 294 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:21.879 I knew that one. I didn't realize he was in 295 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:23.919 the Ricochet though, but it is interesting he plays a 296 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.000 long Cruise in an Oliver Stone film. I find that 297 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.919 epicenter of Xavity with the Evans family kind of odd, 298 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:29.559 kind of odd. 299 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:34.159 Yeah, well then you think of I mean, uh, Oliver 300 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.320 Stones relationship with arnand Milchah on the Israeli Spy, you know, 301 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:41.840 with who produced JFK. And a few other movies. I 302 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.759 mean he just got you know, got around and knowledge. 303 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:47.600 Weird to have a center of these product these producers 304 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.399 out there, isn't it, you know? I mean, obviously Cocaine 305 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.440 Bob is a central figure. But when you look at Milkrone, 306 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:55.000 how do you pronounce his name? Again? 307 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:59.240 It was Milchown am I L C h A n 308 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.279 A first name. 309 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.320 These names will tell you phil I need new names. 310 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:10.039 But you know Himlet you know, folks like Khoi. He's 311 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.519 a scientologist, you know what I mean. He's doing a 312 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:16.320 lot of the financing around this area. I mean, the 313 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.519 only one. But they're all a little bit suspect. 314 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.600 I think Dodi al Fayette, I think the Princess dies whatver? 315 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:27.039 I think was a movie producer. Another good example. Now 316 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.519 correct me if I'm wrong. Is he part of the 317 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:30.399 ben Load not the ben Loden family. Is he part 318 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:34.440 of the House of Sad Fayette I think was related 319 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:35.120 to Koshogi. 320 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.600 Yeah, they're both part of the House of Sad, right 321 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.000 along with the ben Loads, A part of the House 322 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:39.799 of od I believe. 323 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:41.840 Yeah, I think I think you're right on that. 324 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:47.039 Yeah. A lot of Saudi influence, a lot of influence. 325 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:51.960 Yeah, I mean, yeah, Milchohn I got a book I 326 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.840 think for Christmas that was about him and his uh, 327 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.840 his his career and uh not only Hollywood, but being 328 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.879 like an Israeli elligence asset, and I believe he was 329 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.639 involved with. I want to say it might have been 330 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:11.159 might have been the that's relevant to today. I think 331 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.240 might have been the theft of nuclear material that helped 332 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.039 to do helped set up the Demona power plant, the 333 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:17.759 one that may or may not have been bombed today 334 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:19.000 by Iran. 335 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.279 Well, I'm gonna have to once again, sir, I'm going 336 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.480 to make an accusation that you are a special agent 337 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.440 of the Dewey decimal system in the main of a lot, 338 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.679 not only as the books. You have obviously knowledge of 339 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.480 current events, and I definitely respect that. I have no 340 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.080 idea what you're talking about. That you're gonna have to. 341 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.240 Help you what with today's events are Yeah. 342 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.159 I didn't miss all I missed all that. Yeah, I'm 343 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.080 gonna need some This sounds interesting though. 344 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.840 Well, just with so Israel bombing Iran I think late 345 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:53.919 last night into today, and then Iran responding. I believe 346 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.360 Israel supposedly killed like a few of the high up 347 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.919 Iranian military, and it might have even killed the negotiator, 348 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.279 you know, for the you know, like for I guess 349 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.000 whatever a cord they were going to try to come 350 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.440 to to. Maybe the whole thing that Israel's been maintaining 351 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.679 is that Iran is building nuclear weapons or is trying 352 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.480 to start a program, the same program that supposedly is 353 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:20.960 they've been trying to work on for thirty years. Because 354 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:25.120 I literally found an article that someone had referenced on 355 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.399 Twitter today, but I batchecked it from Chris Hedges back 356 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.960 in nineteen ninety five saying Israel, Iran is close to 357 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.720 a nuclear weapon, and they didn't, you. 358 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.320 Know, That's what I was going to say. Isn't this 359 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.720 just a narrative they keep rehashing. I feel like we're 360 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.200 just doing the sequel to this. 361 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.399 Yeah, pretty much. I mean and at one point, I mean, 362 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.759 I think back in was it. I think when it 363 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.320 was Obama's administration, you had the stuck snet, that whole 364 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.000 virus thing that was part two, I think, unleashed by 365 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.639 Israel to kind of to kind of incapacitate Iran's you know, 366 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.919 networks and whatnot. And then they had killed Masade, had 367 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.639 killed a bunch of their scientists, which apparently again Massad 368 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.000 was in Iran again. Yeah, it's I mean, it's not 369 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.599 it's not good. And you know, you you start hearing 370 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.119 oh Trump didn't know, or that who was at whit cough, 371 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.480 who was like his negotiator might have betrayed him. I'm like, 372 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.359 let's let's be I mean, I'm so tired of people 373 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.440 giving Donald Trump mulligans on like everything he didn't know, 374 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.200 he didn't know, you know, I said Donald Trump's biggest 375 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.039 supporter was Sheldon and Miriam Adelson. He's gotten bailed out 376 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.200 by the Israelis time and time again. 377 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.319 You know, in the what's his golf bndicap? Maybe he 378 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.240 needs those mulligans. 379 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:37.960 I don't know. 380 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:39.880 I don't know his golf game. I know, I know 381 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.240 he probably pads the numbers. I mean, I heard he's 382 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:43.880 a good golfer, but who knows. It could be like 383 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.000 mister Burns and the Simpsons constantly cheating. 384 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.200 I'm impressed by his ability to consume the volume of 385 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.680 fast food he does and achieve the physical performance of 386 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:54.920 walking around a golf course. Is still swinging that club? 387 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:00.759 Yeah that there is a monumental effort. Yeah, that it 388 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.720 sounds it sounds like this is not good. Uh, you know, 389 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.119 these are not good things that are occurring your phil. 390 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.039 No, it seems like it's going to be, you know, 391 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.079 just kind of like a free for all soon, depending 392 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.559 on who's going to back Iran. You know, they said 393 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.920 Iran has you know, hit areas of Tel Aviv that 394 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.880 they hit. I think they might have hit Israeli. I 395 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.519 don't think the massade, but I think they might have 396 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.920 hit the I d F headquarters. I mean net Ya 397 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.880 who left. He literally didn't even stay around. He left 398 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.720 hot the plane to Greece and now given press conferences 399 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.160 saying that Iran's the Iranian people will be freed from 400 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.759 their government because they want. 401 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:43.480 To Huh this fella who this net in the I Fela? 402 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.519 Is that the guy from Pennsylvania? 403 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.039 Uh? Net Yeah, who is? I've heard he's from Poland? 404 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.319 Didn't he go didn't he go to high school in Philadelphia? 405 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:58.759 Am I getting that wrong? He might? I might be 406 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.160 making that up. Pill I might be made the next 407 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.799 looking to be like, don't ask me, you might be 408 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.519 making that up. I agree, I might be making that. 409 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:06.400 So where did he flee? 410 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:06.559 All? 411 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:09.440 Sorry? 412 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.400 He took he took a plane to Greece. According to 413 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.720 what I saw that was shown on social media, they 414 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:20.079 attract this plane. He bolted. He's barely hanging on by 415 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:22.039 a thread for power, like they just I think the 416 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:25.000 government just they voted not to vote them out. I 417 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.039 think there was like a referendum or something some vote 418 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:32.880 in Israel. But he's been battling corruption charges for a 419 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.640 little more like over five years, I think, going back 420 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:38.000 to at least twenty nineteen. Like the last time he 421 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:44.960 seeded power was I think like twenty nineteen. And it 422 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:49.400 relates to taking bribes from the Atolson's, amongst others. Arnon 423 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.920 Miltjohn is mentioned in the if you ever see I mean, 424 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.079 I've dropped it. I don't think it gets that far 425 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.640 on Twitter because the algorithms. But I've dropped the copy 426 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.279 of the BB files almost every day. 427 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:03.880 But I don't think I've seen that. 428 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:04.079 I do. 429 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:06.720 I do often, you know, coming and we see each 430 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.519 other on Twitter. So maybe the algorithms are shutting that 431 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:10.039 one down. 432 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:12.640 Oh, I had to. I sent it to people DM 433 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.359 after a while and even that wasn't working. I had 434 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:15.400 to email it to some people. 435 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.759 Well, I assume it's because this man's deep embedded into 436 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.559 something here in America. Between nineteen fifty six and fifty 437 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.519 eight and again between sixty three and sixty seven, his 438 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.240 family lived in the United States in a suburb of 439 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:30.599 Philadelphia where he attended high school and college. 440 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:35.000 Yeah, and Pennsylvania is where that nuclear material was stolen. 441 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:36.559 Inspiring. 442 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.680 Yeah, And like I said, there's the Milk shaw On connection. 443 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:40.599 They are connected. 444 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.039 What nuclear material are we talking here? What is this? 445 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:46.759 Uh? 446 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:53.160 I think the acronym was n unc new mec. I 447 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.759 think it was like the late sixties, early seventies. Milk 448 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.920 shown was I know was involved, if not with the theft, 449 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:03.200 but the variation of it. And I think like one 450 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:08.160 of the Israeli's like key intelligence assets, was involved in it. 451 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.880 It's been talked about a few times. And then you 452 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:16.079 had the fact that when what Demona was capable of, 453 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.680 there's a guy named Mordecai Venunu who was I believe 454 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.400 like a scientist, exposed it and they basically kidnapped him. 455 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.839 They did like a rendition and had him kidnapped. I 456 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:28.440 think he was in London and basically kind of like 457 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:30.240 put him. I mean, they didn't kill him, but they 458 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.680 might as well. Have. I mean, I think they put 459 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.480 him in some sort of solitary containment, almost kind of 460 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.400 like the CIA did with the guy named Urie Msenko 461 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.160 back in the sixties, kind of just kept him away 462 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.640 from everybody but surveillance, you know, because he held that 463 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:47.599 inconvenient knowledge. But I think I think I want to 464 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.680 be in twenty years. 465 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.200 All this sounds like business as usual. Bill. It sounds 466 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:58.920 like I ran contra and never stopped and we're back 467 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.839 to it. What is this night in eighty or twenty 468 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.160 twenty five? What year is this. 469 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:05.279 Twenty twenty five? But you wouldn't know it sometimes. I 470 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.680 mean I feel like it's the same cast of characters. 471 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.720 It's the uh, you know, the you know the secret 472 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.559 team that Fletcher Proudy wrote about sort of types, and 473 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.759 you know the ones that Daniel Shehan mentioned with the 474 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.240 Christic Institute. Like, it's all these guys. There's always these 475 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.400 reappearing people. That's how someone like a guy like a 476 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.880 Howard Hunt keeps appearing, you know, even though he retired 477 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:31.559 from the CIA two three times, you know, whatever it 478 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.519 was between writing books and then later on leading the plumbers. 479 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:36.839 Well, I was gonna say, what wouldn't you classify him 480 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.799 in this whole category of this Material Assistance Command crew 481 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.559 that was the Operation forty kind of crew, the the 482 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.599 you know, the the folks that were training the anti 483 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.920 cast Cubans. These are all like an element of these 484 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.839 agencies and operations that they recruit from. They they and 485 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:55.200 from my opinion, they comprise these things within things like 486 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.200 Bill Colby's Material Assistants Command, you know, Bill Colby, the 487 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.000 CIA director OSS guy, then sets up Operation Gladio. Then 488 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.000 he comes home, he gets to be you know, he 489 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.599 gets up in the ranks, He goes to Vietnam, be 490 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.160 a fucking Nam, and then he makes you know, the 491 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.839 in the Materials Assistance Command, he creates the Phoenix program. 492 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:15.960 And then I agree with mcgow and a lot of 493 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:17.880 the a lot of the ship we see in America 494 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.079 today is Operation Gladio and the Phoenix program come Home 495 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.119 and these are all Bill Bill Colby's, you know babies, 496 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.799 these are the things he made, right So when I 497 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:28.200 see it, you know, that's what I'm saying, Like a 498 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:30.079 lot of this ship just seems like it's all continuation 499 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.359 of that network right within these that framework and down 500 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.039 to the point where Bill Colby's son was a primary 501 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.920 witness against Orenthal James Simpson and the murders of Nicole Brown, 502 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.880 Simpson and Ron Goldman. Why the fuck is Carl Colby 503 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.640 one of the primary witnesses in his murder trial, right? 504 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:46.119 You know what I mean? 505 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.799 Yeah, that's that's crazy. I wasn't a fan of that 506 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.079 documentary that he did about his dad, the man Nobody. 507 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.680 Yeah, I thought that was that was real dumb. 508 00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.799 Yeah, I mean I remember reading about Colby's dad years ago. 509 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:01.319 I was only in high school at the time, but 510 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.440 I was like, I just remember the name, and I 511 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.279 was like, former CIA director, you can't find him. And 512 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.400 then eventually when you find his body, it's a place 513 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:13.079 you already like dredged in the water. And it made 514 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.200 no sense. I mean, and at Colby. So one of 515 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.839 the other things Colby was he was also legal counsel 516 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.039 for the Newganhan Bank in Australia. 517 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:27.000 Yes, sir, it was illegal council. He was on that board, yep. 518 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.920 And I mean then later on considered to be you know, 519 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:34.160 on the Franklin you know, the Franklin Credit Union, the 520 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.000 whole the scandal. 521 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.200 With that point, when I first started looking at you, 522 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:39.839 I would like to hear your thoughts in next because 523 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.279 you know, I know he's gone on the subject. What 524 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:43.519 was your thoughts when you first discovered Bill Colby is 525 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.880 in league with a former Green Beret from the same 526 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.640 Material Assistance Command Phoenix program, John de Camp and they're 527 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.319 the ones uncovering the Franklin scandal. Get the fuck out 528 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:56.240 of here. That was my reaction. 529 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:03.680 Yeah, with so I I read The Franklin Scandal probably 530 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:08.200 like twenty is that is that the Camp Franklin Franklin 531 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.279 Scandal's Nick. 532 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.240 Bryant, Nick Brian, there we go. I like that book, 533 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.920 but yeah, they love the book. Yeah, I actually did. 534 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.039 And again, it was just one of those things on 535 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.240 Twitter a couple of years ago St Patrick, who does Garrison, 536 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.240 the magazine that does like a lot of like investigative 537 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:28.519 stuff from like people like an r so, the the 538 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:33.200 non mainstream alternative media type, and uh, he asked me 539 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.240 to like basically compare the two books. So I wound 540 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.039 up doing like reading the Franklins uh cover up again 541 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.720 and comparing that to The Franklin Scandal and just kind 542 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.279 of there was a lot of differences. 543 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.880 I mean, yeah, no, I agree, but I'd like to 544 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.839 hear some of your thoughts on these differences. 545 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:52.279 I mean, I respected the camp, but I think he 546 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.359 trusted cold. I mean it appeared like as the way 547 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.599 the book was is like, oh, he really gave a 548 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.920 lot of credence to Bill Colby. And then again it's like, okay, 549 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.400 is it because he, you know, had an association with 550 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.039 him that went so far back. I mean at the 551 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.839 copy of the book I read, which was after like 552 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.960 Oklahoma City and all these other things, gets in how 553 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.039 to the camp I think represented the Montana Freeman at 554 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:17.920 one point one of those militia groups. 555 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:23.240 Yeah, yeah, he said that he's got some suspect activities, Phill, 556 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.559 He's got some real suspect activities. Yeah. 557 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.480 At one point he says Colby had told him something 558 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.519 not to go meet with one of the journalists who 559 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.599 was looking into the Clinton scandals, this guy named Ambrose 560 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.240 Evans Pritchard, who actually wrote on the Clinton books. 561 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:44.880 I read and please repeat that name, Ambrose Evans Pritchard, Pritchard. 562 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.519 Yep, you got it. And he wrote it was called 563 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.680 like the Secret Life of Bill Clinton. It was they 564 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:51.880 called it like that instead of like Whitewaters, like the 565 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.400 Blackwater scandals. So they mentioned Oklahoma City. 566 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.680 God, was this funded by the Melons? 567 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:01.160 I don't. 568 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.960 I don't know what Pritchard was. I think they tried 569 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.960 to associate him with it, but he mentioned Oklahoma City. 570 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.000 He talks about Kevin Ives and Don Henry, the Boys 571 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.960 on the Tracks. He talks about Terry Reid, who is 572 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.079 the Contra, the guy training the Contras out of Mina. 573 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.440 And it was a good book. I mean, but he 574 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.319 gets I think even mentioned Colby too. 575 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:34.359 But this legit economists journalist right on an economy pieces. Huh, 576 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:40.359 what's what's this guy doing? Yeah? I think you got Yeah, 577 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.279 let me bring it up. He's he's over in Brussels 578 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.400 in nineteen ninety one. And we were talking about Brussels 579 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:51.720 in the early nineties today, weren't we, Nick Yes, with 580 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.920 the Dutrow stuff and the Solar temple stuff. 581 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.759 Right, Well, if I'm not mistaken, Brussels is where the 582 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:05.400 massade took out. Gerald Bull, the guy who was I 583 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.119 think he was a SCIGNI. He was a weapons guy 584 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.599 and he was going to build Iraq's doomsday gun. Yep, 585 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:12.039 that's him. 586 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.680 Yeah. He joined the Telegraph in ninety one, serving as 587 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.359 Washington correspondent. Later European correspondent Russell's I'd like to see 588 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.319 what date he got there. 589 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.119 Yeah, he was a kind of one of those one 590 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.920 of those journalists who was the bane of like the 591 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:31.000 Clinton white ass back in the nineties when when spin 592 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.720 really kind of got you know, it's its modern kind 593 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.680 of existence. Was the press secretary's during Clinton's time. But yep, 594 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:43.359 they had a sacred life of Bill Clinton. So Colby said, 595 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.839 do not trust him, Prichard and that Clinton We're gonna 596 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.519 he's useful to us. That's how he said it to 597 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.920 the camp, which I was kind of surprised about, you know, like, 598 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.400 why would you trust, you know, someone like him. Yea, 599 00:28:58.400 --> 00:28:59.799 it was regnory and I know a lot of people 600 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.319 say Regnary. You know, it's it's right wing. I mean 601 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.920 that's where I read Partners in Power by Roger Morris, 602 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:06.200 and that that book was brilliant. 603 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.079 You highly recommend this one, Hope, Phil. This is the 604 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.039 Secret Life of Bill Clinton. I have not read this book. 605 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:12.720 I have to check out. 606 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.920 I think it's a good book. I think it's a 607 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.960 good it's a good jumping off point. But you know what, 608 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.279 to me, I've read books that have been positive about 609 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.880 Bill Clinton, and I've read ones that say, hey, there's 610 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.240 a lot of dirt there, and you know, sometimes you 611 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.839 have to you know, and again you talk about something 612 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:31.839 like the Mina Mina drum running. There was a great sight. 613 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.359 I don't know if it's around as much anymore. Progressive Review, 614 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:39.079 and they had a whole thing about the Clinton scandals, 615 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.519 and the guy who writes it is more like a 616 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:46.119 progressive Democrat, and he always viewed Bill Clinton as like 617 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.799 a centrist, like he was more like, you know, would 618 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.839 go whatever way to whatever was favorable to him, you know, 619 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.400 to his career. And I think Mina in the end, 620 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.440 the fact that they were running this operation out of 621 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.680 his state was kind of like, that's that's the cross 622 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.319 he had the bear if he wanted to go further 623 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.079 in office. I mean, at that point he could have 624 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.599 just remained a I mean, there was no limit to 625 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.480 how many time as he could have been governor of Arkansas. 626 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.640 I think by the time by the time he ran 627 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.079 for president, he was already a governor. He once he 628 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:25.000 ran in seventy eight three, right, well, he won lost 629 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.359 in eighty to a guy named Frank White, which I 630 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:28.799 was kind of find funny because I think that was 631 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.480 one I think that was one of Biggie Smalls's aliases 632 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.640 was Frank White and Walkin's character in King of New York. 633 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.119 And then he won in eighty two, and then I 634 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.279 think afterwards it was like eighty six and ninety so 635 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.079 like he was like a four time governor, but like 636 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.200 three times in a row the last time around, and 637 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.279 just like George W. Bush said, I won't I'll finish 638 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:50.920 my term, he didn't finish his term. He ran for 639 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.000 president ninety two. He wanted to run in eighty eight, 640 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:57.480 but they told him no, and Ducacis ran because I 641 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:01.039 think in the end, you know, the powers that be 642 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.799 were kind of like, yeah, you know, it's hw Bush's turn. 643 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.519 And you know he got de Cocas was the one 644 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.799 and shit right, yeah, well he was the guy to fail, right, 645 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.720 you know what I mean. So yeah, I gotta ask you. 646 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:14.680 I gotta ask you about the Oklahoma City theory out 647 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.400 of this book. But before that, you mentioned Mina and Clinton. 648 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.640 So yeah, you know, Barry Seal is infamously this guy 649 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.240 who's flying in the Median you know, the coke for 650 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.920 the Mina Arkansas stuff as part of those operations. Right, 651 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.839 He's not the only one. He's the one that's known 652 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.359 about most right. So again this is this is the 653 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.160 medi Ian cocau This is nineteen you know, the early eighties. 654 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.119 This is the same time Old Cocaine Bob is doing 655 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.599 business with the Median cartels. Number one dude in America's 656 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.680 wife out there in Los Angeles, his co conspirador, and 657 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.839 the murder of Roy Raydin Karen Greenberger who seems to 658 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.319 have an her own Iran contrat cover name of Landy Jacobs. 659 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.359 So these are all the same things, and it is 660 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.359 the connecting principles of this cocaine. But Barry Seal there 661 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.359 is interesting because with the greater sense of the cocaine 662 00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.200 funding this Iran contra stuff, Like, here's the deal with 663 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.839 Barry Seal here besides being in the civil area, here's 664 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.240 my positions and issues I'd like to bring up to 665 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.960 your attention to see what your thoughts are. Barry Seal 666 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.119 is in the same civil Air patrol with Lee Harvey 667 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.000 Oswald and David Ferry as their leader. This is nineteen 668 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.279 fifty four New Orleans. 669 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.640 You know. 670 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.559 He later goes on to do all these other things 671 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:19.759 with the drug running everything else, like that he's doing 672 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.160 a lot of these things through the twentiest Special Forces Group. 673 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.440 We see that same National Guard Special Forces Group pop 674 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.880 up in around Waco, Oklahoma City, all the operation Pack 675 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.079 Hunt stuff. So that's that's interesting, right, But relative to 676 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.960 all the drug running stuff, you know, I started looking at, 677 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.000 you know, some of the genealogies of these folks. How 678 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.039 do they get in these circumstances. I would argue, both 679 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.920 Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal knew each other in 680 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:44.839 that Civil Air Patrol as teenagers because they were born 681 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.200 into a system. So both looking to both their heritage. 682 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.039 Both of their forefathers were officers and the Revolution, which 683 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.880 seemingly we've qualified those men for membership in the secret 684 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.319 society that started America, the Society of the Cincinnati. But 685 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.920 Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal, So Barry Seal's third 686 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:08.000 great grandfather was, sorry, second great grandfather was a captain 687 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.000 in the North Carolina chapter of the Society of the Cincinnati, 688 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:13.960 you know, and the officers of the War of seventeen 689 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.880 seventy six. And he's third cousins with Jimmy Carter. So 690 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.559 when all this height of Iran contra stuff goes down 691 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:25.079 through that same man, right, So you know who's telling 692 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.359 who what to do? Right if he's the hereditary member 693 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.759 in the secret group and Carter is simply a member 694 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.000 as a result of being the president, right despite them 695 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.799 being third cousins through this original member Seal Captain Joseph 696 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.319 Seal I believe was his name of William Seal. You 697 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.400 know who's really calling the shots in Iran contrary? Is 698 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.200 it the president or is it his cousin? He might 699 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.039 have some rank on him in this secret society. 700 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.960 Yeah, I mean, that's that's the first time I've heard 701 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.119 of that, but and it's probably something we won't hear about. 702 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.359 Ken Burns is next. H that's hilarious series. 703 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.960 That's hilarious because Hed let's send me a message earlier 704 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.759 he said we got to start stalking ken Burns to 705 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.279 force him to do a mini series Cincinnati. 706 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.119 Yeah, I mean, let's say, I mean, I've seen some 707 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.079 of the Civil War, I haven't seen really much of 708 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.280 anything else of ken Burns, but I feel like he's that, 709 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.920 you know, one of those guys, one of those pedlers 710 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.599 of the narrative, kind of like. 711 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.159 He's the go to guy for your you know, your 712 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.039 hardcore kind of deep dive into historical subjects like the 713 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.159 Civil War, and I think he's on baseball and small 714 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:23.719 or shit like that. 715 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.440 Well, like we were talking about, I mean, maybe even 716 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.519 how Howard Blum and the true crime and history stuff 717 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.000 with his books. Or Lawrence Wright, who I've mentioned before 718 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.239 in his books and said I think. 719 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.239 That Lawrence right, Oh, definitely. 720 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.119 They Prime Day just released the book I think within 721 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.400 the past six months, the Manchurian journalist that's supposed to 722 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.840 be about rights work, and you know, I mean he's 723 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.800 a guy. I mean I've read a handful of his books, 724 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.360 Remembering Satan, which was about Satanic panic and it was 725 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:58.840 in the Northwest, and it was these two girls who 726 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.280 one accuses of dad, who's a cop. Actually no, they 727 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.719 might have been sisters. Yeah, sisters accusing their dad. And 728 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.039 then Dad's like under hypnosis like yeah, no, I could 729 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.000 have done it, and it's like, okay, you think you 730 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.880 could have. I mean, yeah, it winds up like indict 731 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.119 like going after and again it could have happened, or 732 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.039 it could have been one of those cases to kind 733 00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.760 of try to poison the well for all these other 734 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.480 ones where you know, I mean, I believe so that 735 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:27.360 I went from being you know, it didn't happen after 736 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.360 seeing the movie years ago indictment, the McMartin trial about 737 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:32.719 you know that whole. 738 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.960 Thing, to James Woods. 739 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.079 James Woods, Yeah, and. 740 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:45.760 The hero mm hmm ye saved us from nine to 741 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:46.519 eleven right there. 742 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:52.960 Yeah, yeah, no with I remember watching that and then 743 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.119 reading so many different books where I'm like, no, no, 744 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.880 And even with the book I read a handful of 745 00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.719 years ago, We Believed the Children. It was one of 746 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.840 the review books I read, and I was like, yeah, 747 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.639 the guy just says, nope, all these kids they were 748 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:09.280 manipulated by psychiatrists, didn't happen. And it's like all it 749 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.760 would take just is one to poison the well, just 750 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.480 to say you could say nine out of ted didn't happen, 751 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.679 but that tenth one did. I said, there's enough in 752 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.920 these stories, especially with mc martin with I mean, even 753 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.960 if it wasn't like Virginia McMartin or Peggy Bucky Ray 754 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:32.719 Bucky's behavior is very world And then you have the 755 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.719 fact that they did find tunnels underneath when they excavated it, 756 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.719 you know, and that was something that what's his name 757 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.519 I think would pop up in Gunderson, Ted Gunderson would 758 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.920 pop up and investigating that. 759 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:44.039 I got a lot of words about what he did 760 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.480 in like too. But the the for the mc martin stuff, 761 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.000 it was the objective evidence of sexually transmit diseases that 762 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:50.719 sold it for me. 763 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.719 Yeah, how can kids make that up that many? Yeah, 764 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.840 in an area that was pretty affluent, like Manhattan Beach 765 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.880 was money, you know, like that's yeah, you think these kids, 766 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.039 I mean they're gonna have poor hygiene, you know, Like, 767 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.480 I mean, you can't do that, Like STDs don't just 768 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.920 pop up out of nowhere for sure. 769 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.800 Before we circle back to the Oklahoma Seady stuff and 770 00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.599 Timothy McVay because I'm deeply interested in pat On stuff 771 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.039 these days and how all this stuff connects to Idaho 772 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.920 and the white nationals up there, But one I skipped 773 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:21.599 every Nick. I want to get your thoughts on when 774 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.599 did you discover the Franklin scandal and what were your 775 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.000 thoughts on the authors who have conveyed these stories to us. 776 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.079 Uh, that one dude who was like kind of like 777 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:34.840 the kid with Bonacci. 778 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.760 Yeah, that's just if I'm even saying his name, right, 779 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:39.400 Who was that one? 780 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:40.760 Paul Bonacci? 781 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.239 Yes, sir, Yeah, who is who's the guy who? That 782 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.519 might have been the who's the thing you mentioned earlier? 783 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.599 John DeCamp or Nick Bryant. 784 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.679 Not Nick Bride. John de Camp was that him that 785 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.760 was in that was like making videos about it and 786 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:55.079 everything and like kind of making. 787 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.000 It a spectacle and showing himself going to court and 788 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.159 like trying to get likes. 789 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.559 That's him. Yeah, he was the Silence documentary, right. 790 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.639 I think that was early version. That was an early 791 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:06.599 version of a fucking piece of shit. Alex Jones. 792 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.840 There you go, and from a and from a guy. 793 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.400 I just I just want to point this out because again, 794 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.480 I just so many I think so much stuff gets 795 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.400 over looked when we consider things such as that. And 796 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.400 you know, John de Camp knew this man right here, 797 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:26.599 I mean the non muppetized version, but they knew. Yeah yeah, 798 00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.119 Michael Quina. You know, so we're talking about these magic 799 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.000 show and die offs and stuff. I mean, this is 800 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.719 kind of the dude at the epicenter of literal ceremonial 801 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.760 magic stuff and the Satanism Palima business and the Army 802 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.800 Siop stuff. So you know, talk about mind, mind war, 803 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.480 mind fuck whatever you wan look at there. I mean, 804 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.480 it's that's what we're looking at. 805 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.239 I think they're actually two different police, the Temple of 806 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:50.960 Set and O t O, two different beliefs. 807 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.400 That's an offshoot. It's a I'm saying they had they. 808 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.519 I couldn't say that really, Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just 809 00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.400 being totally honest with you. I do not think they 810 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.400 did know they I don't agree with us the croy 811 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:02.559 shits on how it's emotional. 812 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.000 None of them do, right, That's why they start their 813 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.400 own thing, right. So, but I'm saying they incorporate practices 814 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.480 that they learned through the through the through the well. 815 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.639 Those clemic practices started before A lost the Crowley. It's 816 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:14.079 a good thing. 817 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.679 Almost every order that fucks with magic, you're gonna have 818 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:18.400 the same basic practices. 819 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.559 I understand. I just think there's an ode to it 820 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.960 within these organizations, especially when you see them celebrate Croley Moss. 821 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.079 Croly Moss has birthday October twelfth. 822 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.480 Oh, I don't know who you're saying celebrates that, the 823 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:33.559 ot O those. 824 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.360 That's what I'm saying. These salamic organizations seem to you know, 825 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.280 seem to venerate that as like almost a Saints day, 826 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:38.840 you know what I mean? 827 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.000 Why does the other order do that. 828 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:43.480 What's that? 829 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.320 What are you saying? The other one does too? And 830 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.239 I'm not sure what his birthday had to do with it, 831 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:48.800 That's what it means. 832 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.280 No, I'm saying, these thelemic organizations, even if these practices 833 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.840 go from before Curley, which I ideally understand. Is what 834 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.119 I'm saying, is they still pay homage to Crowley despite 835 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.760 the you know he's not the inventor of these practices, 836 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.199 is what I'm saying. I realize that I'm saying they 837 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:04.800 pay homage to him, is if he's a saint within 838 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.119 the system. 839 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:08.639 No, I don't of them think that. 840 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.559 Actually, well, man, I don't know that's an accurate depiction. 841 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.440 That's the way. That's certainly the way my perspective and 842 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.719 understanding of what I've seen and read. I don't know 843 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:19.400 they're gonna say that what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm 844 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:20.519 not saying I don't think there's a. 845 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.679 Therese ones that are actually open and the guy is wrong. 846 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:27.920 No, I understand that. I understand that aspect. They have 847 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.199 their own views. I've understand everyone has their own views 848 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:31.599 on how these things need to be done. That's why 849 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.599 we see so many offshoots and organizations Mormons too. Again, 850 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.039 it's the ceremonial magic aspect that everyone has their own 851 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.440 perspective of it. Seems well, they. 852 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.280 Don't even think he crossed the Abyssal people so that 853 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:45.320 he has nothing to say. 854 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:47.559 Well, you know what I'm saying, son. 855 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:49.679 At the temple of people that were is that the 856 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.280 key comes of people actually believe that too, because I've 857 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.199 read the one book I have read on a keynote 858 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.679 that he wrote. He seems to like Curly, he seems 859 00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:58.199 to like Croley. 860 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.199 I'm just saying, there's people that are not believe that 861 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.159 I actually did anything that he said he did. 862 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.719 I'm fine a lot. I'm just not I think a 863 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.480 Keno's I would I put him in the curly department 864 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.079 in my opinion. 865 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.559 Oh, I don't know. I don't know about him. 866 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.760 But I'm just telling you there's people that do not 867 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.239 believe that guy uh is everything. 868 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.440 Well, I have no doubt we saw that one with 869 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.400 that whole war he had right with it formed the 870 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.280 the one what's the tiphony and folks. 871 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.440 Right, Yeah, I don't know why that exactly. 872 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.880 For, but I understand they had a beef. Right, they 873 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.360 had an offshoot beef because him and that leader were 874 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.440 you know, they were going at it, right, I have 875 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.719 no idea what was it that Kenneth Grant? Is that 876 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.719 his name? Yes, Oh, there's him from the tales of 877 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.599 these things. That's what I'm saying. I get, I get 878 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.320 the fact Curly is not liked by all. I'm just 879 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:48.239 saying the practices and homage or to me seem seemed 880 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.440 to permeate these organizations, these offshoots. Yeah, I understand not 881 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.960 that the direct option, just like scientology is not a 882 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.599 direct offshoot of the Gape Lodge. However, it's influenced by 883 00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.960 and admitted so by numerous folks. But I'm just saying 884 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.199 it's not a direct you know, they're not doing the 885 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.239 same thing, right like like the String guys for example, 886 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.920 then Mormonism when they when they went north to Wisconsin 887 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.559 and found their own mound of their own their own 888 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.280 golden plates, right Like, it's not the same thing, but 889 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.079 it's you know, it's essentially the same thing. 890 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.719 You know me, Well, I could tell you. 891 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.960 I can tell you Oto is going to use the 892 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.639 Knox formula, and I can tell you other organizations aren't. 893 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.360 Because that's his own formula. So if you want to 894 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.800 start getting into specifics and magical formulas like you're saying, 895 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.000 I can actually tell you're wrong. 896 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.639 You wouldn't know because you haven't been in one of 897 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:36.119 these places. 898 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.360 I'm not trying to be addictd but I'm just I'm 899 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:39.159 just telling you the truth. 900 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.639 I'm just in a place. 901 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:46.119 You know anything about magic and formulas and rituals. Everybody has. 902 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.159 I'm just commenting on what I read in the Aquinot 903 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.679 book that he wrote. That's all I can That's all 904 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:55.519 I can comment on. That's a sample. I don't doubt it. 905 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:56.679 I don't doubt it. 906 00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.800 And like a lot of people get lumped up into 907 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.480 this same thing when it's not the same thing. 908 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:05.760 Well, yeah, I just the only thing I'm commenting on is, 909 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.800 you know, staments. Folks make their own accord, right. 910 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.159 Most of them don't know what they're talking about when 911 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:15.280 they do make those statements. Well, it's like at a 912 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.840 lot of times, like I can see what's going on 913 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.000 inside of these buildings. 914 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.639 Hear well, I know, I hear you. I see what 915 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.880 folks say about Mormon temples. I've been in Mormon temple, 916 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.039 so I understand what you're saying. 917 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:28.280 Ignorance. 918 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.679 And that's why I'm saying I only I'm only stating 919 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.679 things up folks with their own accord My statements of 920 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.199 for example, Levey and relationship with Tuesday Welder, only statements 921 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.760 that LaVey makes himself. So you know what I mean? 922 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:42.760 Yeah, that makes sense. 923 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.320 I will be the first to say I don't understand 924 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.360 their magic, nor do I care to, right, you know 925 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.719 what I mean, It's not my my thing? Right? 926 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:59.840 So could I make two quick points? Absolutely, Jimmy Page, 927 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.400 we loved Alaster Crowley. 928 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.559 That's what I'm saying. These people tell tell us they do, right, 929 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.440 That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the I focused on 930 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.159 the people that are willing to tell me, like I 931 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.360 like to do some Crowley. I like Crowley stuff to 932 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.599 to have those imaginations of the Crowley stuff. We're gonna 933 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.599 I don't know you necessarily right, but I'm willing to 934 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:16.440 take their words for it. 935 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.760 Didn't I mean, they said what was the rumor with 936 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.039 what's the name John Bonham's death that they said that 937 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.840 Jimmy Page was performing some sort of ritual that yeah, 938 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:33.159 that bottom that bottom died from alcohol poisoning or choking. 939 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:34.800 The death on his own bombit something like that they 940 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:35.880 said that my. 941 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.360 Uncle's friend actually was literally in that dude's house and 942 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:42.400 he said the guy had the fucking ship all on 943 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.679 the floor and everything, and he had the fucking stuff 944 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.800 thrown on the floor, like the was no joke into 945 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:47.159 the ship. 946 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.559 M And then I just finished I think it was 947 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.760 last week. Uh, based off of one of your shows, Uh, 948 00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.480 the you Call to Elvis. 949 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:01.920 Yeah, with Miguill's Connor. 950 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.199 Well, yeah, So I got to the review company that 951 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.519 I've been with the longest. They sent out like a 952 00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.760 list and they let me choose and it was on 953 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.840 the list, and I was like, oh, I'm putting in. 954 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.840 I'm putting in. And I got it and I read 955 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.360 it and it was like one of the best parts 956 00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.360 of it is the one religion that Elvis I thought 957 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.079 was bullshit scientology, which of course his wife and his 958 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:24.920 daughter Paul Joy. 959 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.119 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So I kind of brought 960 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.079 that up to Miguil because there's an infamous story of 961 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:30.920 where Elvis had it out with l Ron. I don't 962 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.920 know there's validity to it, but again, it seems to 963 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.840 be somewhat of alid because you know, Elvis did seem 964 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.079 to have some early relations with scientology along with Priscilla, right, so, 965 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.000 and she was a lifelong scientologist. 966 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.280 Yep, yeah, I mean that didn't like it book, No, 967 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.639 he didn't. He thought it was just, I mean, just 968 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:48.679 a lot of bullshit. 969 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:54.079 There's there's you all go ahead. No, no, no, Well, 970 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.159 here's what that concerns me, because you know, this whole 971 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.679 off shoot of the scientology, this processed church situation. Right, 972 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.719 He's way too close to that circumstance for me to 973 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.119 you know. For I'm just saying like he's got a 974 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.039 lot of friends that have that same, like at least 975 00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.920 forward attitude towards scientology at the time because he's his 976 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:14.840 spiritual guide. Elvis a spiritual guide and and would travel 977 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.519 with him. Was Jay C. Brings hair salon business partner 978 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.480 in ostensibly drug trafficking business partner. Were you aware of that, Keller, 979 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.280 I'll give me one second, or I will bring up 980 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:29.199 his name for you. I am terrible with names. But 981 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.480 we learned this from Miguel Connor. Like I had never 982 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:35.360 as much Manson stuff I had read about. Again, Manson 983 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.000 and I are you know, we're we're distant cousins. But 984 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.079 I you know, we're Maynards from Pikeville, Kentucky. You know, 985 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:43.800 as I've had a number of interests over the years, 986 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.760 even looking into the Manson stuff, I've never heard any 987 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.320 connections to Elvis. So when Miguel McGill connor dropped out 988 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:49.599 on us, I was like, what in the world that's 989 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.320 that's fascinating. I got to look more into that, and 990 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.719 there's a lot more to that story apparently, and uh, 991 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.559 here we go, Well, what's it? Here we go Elvis 992 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.679 Charles Manson, Elvis's hairstylist in the Memphis connection. All right, 993 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:13.559 So that's not it. It goes on to say that is, uh, 994 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.760 let's see here, I don't I definitely don't remember the 995 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.239 guy's name. Yeah, Larry Gailler. Good, well done, sir, well done. Yeah, 996 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.119 so it says. But it was Presley's longtime friendship with 997 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.559 Larry Gailler that provided perhaps the most interesting and largely 998 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.360 overlooked connection between Memphis in the southern California world. That 999 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.079 was the settling for the infamous nineteen sixty nine mass 1000 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:40.199 murders of Manson's family of followers. So Geller was a 1001 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.320 Hollywood hairstylist who worked with a list celebrities Frank Sinatra, 1002 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.519 Paul Newman, Marlin Branda, Peter Sellers, and many others now 1003 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.559 on that list. I would say all of those folks 1004 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:55.840 are names have been associated with the Manson family, Sinatra, Newman, Brandon, 1005 00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:02.239 I'm sorry, Marlon Brandow, and Peter Seller's right. Peter Seller's uh, 1006 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.119 I don't know if you're familiar with that, that narrative, right, 1007 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.159 that the whole you know, I don't know. He was 1008 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:09.639 on some of those videos that no one want. He 1009 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.920 didn't want out right, they were filmed with the Tate 1010 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.760 Planski him allegedly well he uh. 1011 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.480 One of the stories I read about him, because I 1012 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.440 haven't seen much with him. I've saw Doctor Strange Love, 1013 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.760 which is brilliant, Panther and I saw I've never seen 1014 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:24.719 the Pink Panther movies. 1015 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.280 Oh they're massively terrible, but I mean I've seen too. 1016 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.239 And I saw being there, the one that was written 1017 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.559 by Polanski's buddy Jersey Kazinski, because I know Dane has 1018 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:35.599 spoken about him before. 1019 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.320 Oh, yes, that's an interesting topic, is it not? 1020 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:39.119 Oh? 1021 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:39.400 God? 1022 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:39.719 Yeah. 1023 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.599 And then the fact that Sellers in the sixties had 1024 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.400 I think they said six heart attacks off amio nitrate. 1025 00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.960 No ship, Well there you go. That's those Phil Those 1026 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.960 are the videos you know, once again you know exactly 1027 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.559 what I'm talking about. So those are the videos that 1028 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.800 they didn't want out right, yep amal nitrates obviously, Uh 1029 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.800 what they's prominent within the community. I believe they call 1030 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.119 it poppers? Is it poppers? 1031 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:09.239 Yeah? They actually initially when AIDS first came out, they 1032 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.599 thought it was something related to able nitrate poppers. 1033 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.000 I'm not, Well, here's the deal. I'm not convinced that 1034 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.119 that's not playing a role in destroying folks immune system. 1035 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.920 I mean, you're huffing this weird chemical stuff. You mean 1036 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.639 to tell me that's not going to have long term effects. 1037 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.519 I'm not saying it's the direct cause. I'm saying, you 1038 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.159 mean to tell me something to have long term effects? 1039 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:26.199 Right, yeah, definitely would. 1040 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.760 I mean, but that again, it sounds like Peter Zeller's 1041 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.239 it did, right. You said, how many strokes you have? 1042 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:32.079 Six heart attacks? 1043 00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:34.760 Or how many the six heart attacks? Holy shit? 1044 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.599 There? In what instance. 1045 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.880 Reminds me of Chris Farley's character from The The Bears. 1046 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:42.800 There in the Saturday Night Line, and it was always 1047 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:43.880 getting a heart attack, right. 1048 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:48.079 Yep, yeah, yeah, it's uh, I mean that's insane or 1049 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:50.159 like I mean, like I said, Bob Evans had the 1050 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.960 three strokes that and then is ninety eight and crazy 1051 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.719 enough his right, I think a couple of rooms over 1052 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.880 right next to his room Cedar Sinai in California was 1053 00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:07.400 Frank Sinatra. Sinatra died right next to Robert Up. He 1054 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.559 didn't even know until him and his son were watching 1055 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:13.639 the Seinfeld finale in his hospital room and the news 1056 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.480 broke in and say, Frank Sinatra died. 1057 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.159 And Cocaine's drug. 1058 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.880 Yeah, Cocain's a hell of a drug, Rick J. 1059 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.960 So what do you know about this Galler fellow? What's 1060 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.639 what's his deal? Soy like, because he first meets Elvis 1061 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.599 in sixty four and then they become fast friends, he 1062 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.239 becomes a spiritual god and mentor they start traveling. He 1063 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.800 starts traveling with Elvis, So what's the deal he? 1064 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.719 You know, they bond over like theological and you know, 1065 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:45.079 esoteric religion, you know, religious discussions. But I knew at 1066 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.400 some point, I mean I know, at some point I 1067 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.199 should say, based off Miguel's great research, that at some 1068 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.559 point the Memphis Mafia, you know, the good buddies of 1069 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.360 Elvis and Priscilla and the Colonel did not like this guy. 1070 00:50:58.440 --> 00:50:59.880 First of all. They also didn't like the fact that 1071 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.440 Elvis could get so, you know, pensive on religion and 1072 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.760 all these topics. And at some point they. 1073 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.559 Kind of like he's kind of influential, right, so you 1074 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.599 kind of like, there's gonna be certain folks that want 1075 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.199 to dictate what he's saying to folks, right, So what 1076 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:14.760 you're saying makes a lot of sense of thinking that 1077 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.840 regardless if I may interject there, sir. 1078 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.159 Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely, I think you know. And 1079 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.000 this is one of the things when I was as 1080 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.920 I was kind of like with every book I do 1081 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.320 that I do a review on, I take notes, and 1082 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.320 all I could think of is, like Elvis, all he 1083 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.800 wanted was like peace of mind. He wanted like that, 1084 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.280 you know, mental just kind of like break and well, 1085 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.519 everybody wants a piece of them, whether it be the Colonel, 1086 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.400 who basically I heard was a degenerate, degenerate gambler and 1087 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:46.280 died broke to whatever time Priscilla wanted. 1088 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.920 From him and his father, Colonel Tom Barber YEP, Colonel 1089 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:51.920 Tom Partner was he Ananzi. 1090 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.159 I don't know what he was. I know he wasn't American. 1091 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.880 No one does, right, that's not no one knows what 1092 00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.599 it was now nobody else. 1093 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:03.440 And they say Tom Hanks's accent in the movie was horrific. 1094 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.599 But he kept Elvis' career going. You know, Elvis recorded 1095 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.960 a bunch of albams where he went the army, and 1096 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:12.480 he kept his career going. And this is the dude 1097 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.519 who was behind Elvis this entire musical career, at least 1098 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.039 right he was, I. 1099 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.760 Mean a big part of it. And then towards the 1100 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.639 tail end, one of the big influences was a producer 1101 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.679 named Jerry Wintrop, who later on produced some of Sinatra shows. 1102 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.079 And at one point, there's one of the stories because 1103 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.559 I read Wintrop's on a biography which is called You'll Know. 1104 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.920 I think it is You'll Know I'm dead when I 1105 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.480 stopped talking something along those lines. 1106 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.239 And well, it's funny, it's funny you mentioned Sinatra, because 1107 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.000 it is allegedly Sinatra who gives Helvis the green light 1108 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:44.800 to be back in the biz, if you will, when 1109 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.840 he once he gets back from his army service. Because 1110 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:48.719 a lot of folks were apparently threatened that he was 1111 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.960 a bit of a wild card, right, so you know, 1112 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.000 you know you'll see him come back and do this 1113 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.880 famous show with Sinatra. W But they're both on stage 1114 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:57.679 looking all hum me and singing each other songs and 1115 00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.320 you know, in each other's faces, And I'm like, well, 1116 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.519 this is a bit weird. So and you know, I 1117 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:03.239 thought that was a bit odd until I found out 1118 00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.039 later how Sinatra was deeply connected to this, you know, 1119 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.039 the same circle of folks cultists around the Manson family, right, 1120 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:13.760 and so is Elvis. So these relations no longer seems 1121 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.400 so anomalous to me. Yep. 1122 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.039 And then now here's another you know, connection is the 1123 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:24.480 fact that Sea Bring serves as the inspiration for Warren 1124 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.320 Batty's character in the movie Shampoo. Yes, sir, and Warren 1125 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:33.800 Beatty is good friends with Bob Evans. Bob made his career, 1126 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.599 you are correct. And also I believe the guy who 1127 00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.719 wrote the screenplay for Shampoo was Robert Town who uh 1128 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.039 wrote Chinatown. 1129 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.119 You started batting three for three? Not in it? Right? Chinatown? 1130 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:47.360 He was? 1131 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.880 He was Bob Evans, you know, old Cocaine, Bob's go 1132 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.199 to script doctor too, right, Like he was the guy 1133 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.639 he always wanted to work with him, right, he always 1134 00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.079 wanted to work with Robert town and Polanski. These were 1135 00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.199 you know, he was these was trusted circle, right, Jack Nicholson, 1136 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.079 Marlon Brando, you know, these are his trusted circle of folks. 1137 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.400 You know there's a you know, he's got a number 1138 00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.280 of he's got a stable of actors that he that 1139 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.639 he promoted directors as well, Coppola. It's weird to me. 1140 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.320 So you see all these people like Baby, like Toywn 1141 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:21.719 like Copla, all these folks Cocaine Bob's relations with I 1142 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.880 just drew a blank. Russ not Russ Corman, the other 1143 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.960 fellow that did the Roger Corman. There we go. I 1144 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.679 was thinking I was mixing Russ Meyer and Roger Corman. Rott, 1145 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.320 thank you, Roger Corman. Everyone gets to start with Roger 1146 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.440 Corman before they get their their their Cocaine Bob, you 1147 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.400 know chance right. 1148 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:41.960 Yeah, I mean Roger Corman was a little Choppa Horrors 1149 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.320 and you know, just a lot of those cheesy early 1150 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:45.079 sixties movies. 1151 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:45.280 Yeah. 1152 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.119 Rus Meyer was here's the one I think he did, 1153 00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:51.400 what was it? Trying to remember the one second beyond 1154 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.079 the Valley of the Dolls he did the movies with 1155 00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.840 like The Big Breast of Women was well, that was Seinfeld. 1156 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.000 That was a Seinfeld thing at one point, too, all. 1157 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.599 Right, they both did right because Corman did the Nurses 1158 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:01.519 movies too, right. 1159 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.960 Well, there was a thing at one point where certain 1160 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.119 directors getting their start had to do either like a 1161 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:11.760 slasher movie or did a cheesy like softcore porn movie 1162 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.039 like I've been rightman who did Ghostbusters did? I think 1163 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.880 it's called Cannibal Girls or something like that. 1164 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.000 That's precisely what I'm talking about. So I see this 1165 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.920 epicenter of activity surrounding Cocaine Bob, surrounding his buddy Corman, 1166 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.920 who still I believe is alive and very powerful within 1167 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.519 the industry or had been in recent years still, And 1168 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.119 they're the ones give them to start to all these folks, right, 1169 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.079 And the financing for I think a lot of Korman's movies, 1170 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.639 much like Cocaine Bobs, are coming from folks like the 1171 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:37.840 Columbo crime family. 1172 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.559 Wouldn't surprise me in the least, not at all. And 1173 00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.679 speaking of the Columbos, it just came up. There is 1174 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.800 bidding war going on for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise. 1175 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.280 Precisely one of the ones I'm talking about right there, 1176 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:55.960 as you can see, that's one of the ones that 1177 00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:57.920 it's well documented they finance right. 1178 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:02.119 Oh yeah, nobody may made a dollar from that in 1179 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.159 terms of the actual like actors and directors until I 1180 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.519 think New Line bought the New Line Cinema bought the 1181 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.039 rights in the eighties because they had to fight for it. 1182 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:15.280 And Brian's I think it was Brianston Pictures of whatever 1183 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.880 it's called. The distribution company run by the Perino brothers 1184 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:22.280 who also did Deep Throat, had stolen money and yeah, 1185 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.920 took Tobey Hooper and all those guys well over a 1186 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.320 decade to finally collect money. And I don't even think 1187 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.000 the actors got much out of anything. Kind of like 1188 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.840 the actress from Deep Throat, that happens a lot. 1189 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.840 Gilligan. Gilligan never made a dime from Gilligan's Island. Did 1190 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.960 you know that that sounds that was? 1191 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.960 That was Sherwood Sherwood Schwartz who did the Brady Bunch, 1192 00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.599 the Brady Kids never got a dime like in residuals. 1193 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.480 And that producer was he's one fat cat wright And 1194 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.320 none of them actors ever got any royalties. 1195 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:51.760 Yo, one of those people. 1196 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.400 Just imagine how many times those shows would played Gilligan's 1197 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:56.559 Island and Brady Childhood. 1198 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.400 It was so it's insane, and by then it was 1199 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.000 already like a classic. 1200 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.400 Years old by then, right years old. 1201 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.960 By that point that parents are looking at was watching 1202 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:07.559 that shit young. 1203 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.840 But that's why you got to like look into some 1204 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.079 of these things, like it's I remember reading this. 1205 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.000 This was so weird. 1206 00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.639 I remember reading so one of my one of my 1207 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.880 favorite bands was like an obscure band from Memphis, Big Star, 1208 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.119 and they did the song in the Street that became 1209 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.840 the theme song to that seventies show. Now get back 1210 00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.280 to college aspect of things, and I'll give you another 1211 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:33.599 connection in a second. But the song got covered. I 1212 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.079 don't know who did it the first season, but later 1213 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.679 on it was Cheap Trick covered it and they interviewed 1214 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.599 the lead singer a Big Star, Alex Chilton, about it, 1215 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:43.239 who was also the lead singer of the Box Tops 1216 00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.480 at one point, and he's like, I don't know. He's like, 1217 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.239 all I know is every time that show airs, I 1218 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.079 got a check for seventy five dollars. Now thinking how 1219 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.280 big that show was. At one point, Syndication now, Alex 1220 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.639 Chilton's been dead since twenty ten. He didn't have any 1221 00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:57.719 health insurance and died of a heart attack. 1222 00:57:59.159 --> 00:57:59.880 Was it the cocaine? 1223 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.360 Oh, he didn't grow. 1224 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:08.679 You need a sample? 1225 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.360 And uh he Actually there's a story. There's a great 1226 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.239 book called every I think it's called Everybody Loves You 1227 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.519 when You're Dead, and it's about this guy, Neil Strauss, 1228 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.760 and it was like these assorted tales and like music 1229 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.519 and everything like that, and one talks about Alex Chilton 1230 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:30.920 going up and basically bringing groceries to Dennis Wilson's house 1231 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.239 and it was when the Mansons were there. 1232 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.519 I'm glad you robbed the Wilson's. I say it was 1233 00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.440 saving them for last. But Brian Wilson died this week obviously, 1234 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.599 so I wanted to get into a little bit of that. Yeah, 1235 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:46.280 a couple of days ago, right, Uh yeah, yeah, something 1236 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.559 like that. Yeah, well you. 1237 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.719 Guy didn't What was that sly Stone from sly in 1238 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:52.440 the Family Stone? 1239 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:59.400 Oh yeah, is this Semester salandad? No, sly Stone the 1240 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:05.079 everyday people dance to the music, you know, totally totally 1241 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.440 unrelated from Sylvester Saloon. Is what you're saying, not a 1242 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:14.679 stillone still, I think so. I mean, I mean guy 1243 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.159 had a good head of hair too. They said he 1244 00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.599 had just finished. He just finished to him like the 1245 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.119 screenplay of his life, and he passed away from uh. 1246 00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:26.599 I don't think it was cancer. I think it was 1247 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:28.960 another long disease. 1248 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:30.920 I don't know if I showed you this last time. 1249 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.480 You hear Phield? But whose son? Do you think that 1250 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:33.079 isn't the right? 1251 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:40.360 Well, that's stage stallone, but that again all allegedly. 1252 00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:46.400 Looks a lot like John Travolta. So with Gay, well, 1253 00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:50.039 I think that's with this whole group of these cultures especially. 1254 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.800 I just don't think there's sexuality is a thing with 1255 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:53.400 him right, Like it's more of a fluid thing. 1256 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:57.320 I think, yeah, he might just be anything that moves. 1257 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.880 Yeah, who's sticking one to wear? Is this that's an afterthought? 1258 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:05.039 I don't care. 1259 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.840 I think the woman who it was a woman who 1260 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.280 got him into scientology when he did her Plastic Bubble. 1261 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:12.760 I think it was his co star in that. 1262 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.599 And she was in the Devil's Brain with Old Anton 1263 01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:19.719 Levey as a technical advisor, starring none of them Bill Shantner, 1264 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:26.199 Bill Shatner, well, Billy shats So when speaking of all 1265 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.920 the scientology of seventies films and Roger Corman. Have you 1266 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:29.800 seen the film. 1267 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.000 Just You're You're Back? 1268 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:44.480 Have you? 1269 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:46.360 Have you seen the film Get Shorty? 1270 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.199 I loved that movie a long time ago. 1271 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.480 Oh, great movie, Dudel. 1272 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.519 Sony, so many great performances in that. 1273 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.960 So not only is this one of the films on 1274 01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.559 my list of the reasons why I think Gene Hackman 1275 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.639 was a sign intologists, because you can only act opposite 1276 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.039 a sign another scientologist so many times from on that list, 1277 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.880 you know, Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Johnstrable to the list 1278 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.000 goes on. So I do love the film on the list, 1279 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.440 but the the character he plays in there, in my 1280 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.280 opinion is Roger is a party of Roger Corman, right, 1281 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:22.800 you know. And and the drug money, yeah, and the 1282 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.960 drug money you see that's in there, right, you see 1283 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.880 the you see the the median cartel kind of the 1284 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.360 South Americans kind of represented them there, right, you see. 1285 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.599 The you see the local uh not so much a time. 1286 01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:36.639 You see a local mafia operations that are well, you know, 1287 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.000 so you see these times because that's who ray bar 1288 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.840 Bone works for, you know, Ray bar Bone, and he 1289 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.920 represents the families though out in LA That's what he's 1290 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.000 coming out there. He tells me, I'm out here representing 1291 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.280 the families, you know what I mean. 1292 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.000 Yeah, that was I mean, that was a that was 1293 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:53.639 a great movie. 1294 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:57.480 And I think them, oh it's great, it's real great. Yeah, 1295 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.800 I mean it's I think we're seeing a peek into 1296 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:02.199 the action, right, Like that's kind you know with Cocaine Bob. Right, 1297 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.400 that's kind of the environment Cocaine Bob was operating, and 1298 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:06.840 right when he's trying to finance the Cotton Club movies, 1299 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.519 we see the same kind of situation. I mean, I'm 1300 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.960 not saying there was a travolt guy in the mix 1301 01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.320 of that. I'm just saying, like the narrative, the overall 1302 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.119 narrative we see and gets short. He's the environment painted 1303 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:19.079 where the same environment that finds Royan raid and murdered 1304 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.719 when Bob Cocaine Evans and his co constituents, Uh you 1305 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.679 know the Median cartel that is in prison today. The 1306 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:27.800 wife of the head of the Median Cartel in America. 1307 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.039 Yeah, well, I think what's name? So that was get shut. 1308 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:33.840 It was based off an Elmore Leonard book, and I 1309 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:37.679 think Elmore Leonard, you know, Detroit guy. But I think 1310 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.960 he was he was tuned into the corruption in Hollywood. 1311 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:42.559 He was locked in. Huh. 1312 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.559 He went from writing westerns because he did three ten 1313 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.360 to Yuma, the one that they redid with him the 1314 01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:49.400 l and Russell Crowe. 1315 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:51.840 That was pretty good for a Russell Crowe film. That 1316 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:52.440 was pretty good. 1317 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.239 Yeah, but then you know he had done somebody else, 1318 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.239 I mean, Get Shorty. And then he did the sequel, 1319 01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:58.000 which was be Cool. 1320 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:02.719 I never saw that one, but it did helssing. You're 1321 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:06.480 not Phil, You're not missing anything. Be Cool is I mean, 1322 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.360 as far as sequels go, it's one of the worst. 1323 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:09.320 Yeah. 1324 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:13.679 He also did that one, Justified. That was the one 1325 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.840 that the Rock was in, right, I think rock. 1326 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:18.079 What was the name of it again? 1327 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:19.199 Be Cool? 1328 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:20.159 Be Cool? 1329 01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.440 There's there's I'll just leave it at this. There's a 1330 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.440 lot of new Obbians in that film, Nick, with a 1331 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:26.519 lot of scientologists. 1332 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.440 Oh you should cover we should go it's. 1333 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.400 I mean it would be funny at least, right, Yeah. 1334 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:34.840 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It might not just be 1335 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.960 into dating. Yeah no, no, I never saw that. 1336 01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:39.440 I Uh. 1337 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:41.360 I remember when I came out. 1338 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:44.519 I was just like the city, like they did a 1339 01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.679 bad job at even sequels. I mean, just like the 1340 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:49.119 This is Terrible, Yeah, It's not good. 1341 01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.960 Which which was the backstory I think to be cool 1342 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:56.400 is that it's after Chili Palmer, you know, tribolpous character 1343 01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.360 decides to do a sequel to the movie that they 1344 01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.880 show with the end of the movie and it bombs, 1345 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:03.800 and then he gets involved in a whole record thing, 1346 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.679 and you got Vince Fallen who plays some sort of 1347 01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:08.239 like half assed gangster. And I think the Rock plays. 1348 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.199 I think the Rock almost plays like another version of 1349 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.440 James Gandalfini's character from the first one. 1350 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:14.960 Hey, they were trying to do that, right, but aren't 1351 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.840 they kind of giving us a kind of a little 1352 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.719 look behind the scenes of Oh disregard. I think I 1353 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:22.719 just mashed together two films. I mashed together the plot 1354 01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:24.760 line of that film in a Hollywood homicide in my 1355 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.119 brain hole, because maybe I'm wrong. They one of them. 1356 01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.880 It seems like it's death Row Records, right, but I 1357 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:32.480 think that's. 1358 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:35.559 That might have been the one with Harrison Ford and 1359 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:36.239 Josh Hartnett. 1360 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:39.960 Yeah, and Dwight Yoakum. Actually, Dwight Yoakam plays a pretty 1361 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:47.400 in Your Dirty Cops. 1362 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.599 In panic room. I remember that, and I think it 1363 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:55.159 was a sling blade. See my frozen You're good now, 1364 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:55.880 good now. 1365 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:12.440 And I frozen, solling prophecy. There we go, you're back. 1366 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.639 I'm back, yeah, yes. 1367 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.440 Yeah, I've between these interruptions, I forgot where we at? 1368 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:20.679 Can we circle back to Elvis? 1369 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:23.280 Yes, let's go back to Elvis. 1370 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:26.760 I didn't know what we're at? Where else we're at? 1371 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.519 There again, I'm i'm my brain hole is going in 1372 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:32.559 out with my interweb's connection here. Apparently, so you. 1373 01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:34.719 Said scientology, scientology freezes. 1374 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.039 It's the magic word. And you can't say that Xenia will. 1375 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:47.440 Xenia will smite us all phil Xenia will. So there's 1376 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:51.800 a fellow who's involved. I know he's Boyd Rice is underling. 1377 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:55.800 I think Boyd Rice is Church of Satan now, so 1378 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.840 I think this is the Church of Satan. Guys, Michael moynihan, 1379 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.840 you know he threatened your Bush number one when he 1380 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.559 was the President's Secret Service, did investigation, No big deal. 1381 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:05.920 Boyd Rice did the same thing when he delivered a 1382 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.280 pig's head to the wife of Gerald Carter when when 1383 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.960 he was president. Something about these guys like to go 1384 01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.880 threatened presidents. It's weird to me, you know, the Manson 1385 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.320 girls who try to shoot you Ford. Also, all these 1386 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.800 things seem very strange to me, that it's an odd 1387 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:23.440 crew that does these things. Moyna Han's up. I suppose 1388 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.599 he goes by a Manson scholar. I think he's involved 1389 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:29.239 with Nicholas Shrek in writing some of those Manson chronologies 1390 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.760 and since the eighties or so, so that this was 1391 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.239 an interview that moyni Han did with in that series, 1392 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:38.719 I believe, with Manson Beck and you know, like they 1393 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.239 were actually visiting Manson and doing these interviews face to face, 1394 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.079 I believe you nineteen ninety five. So in nineteen ninety 1395 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.400 five they talk about Elvis. No shit. So I never 1396 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.800 knew these things existed until Miguel Connor you know, pointed 1397 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:52.480 these things out in my directions, you know. And that 1398 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:54.840 is the cult Elvis stuff. That was a great get 1399 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.400 great show folks to check out Cult Rejects with Miguel 1400 01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:02.800 Connor there, and oh yeah, that was I was telling you, dude. 1401 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:07.920 I'm telling you, dude, I think that you. 1402 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.400 Human you should do like a spin off of that, 1403 01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:12.960 but kind of like look at it in a different way. 1404 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.519 I don't disagree, sir, I don't go after that sounds 1405 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:17.679 like a future recult reaching. 1406 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.280 Non biased look at Elvis. I think it would be 1407 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:20.280 really fucking interesting. 1408 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.079 I think Julia has some good insights too. She brings 1409 01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.760 a lot to the table on this subject as well. Yeah, 1410 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:27.960 she looked at this subject a long time. 1411 01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:29.400 She's fantastic. 1412 01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.800 Dude. Anytime someone brings some new Charles Manson stuff to 1413 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.559 my face here in my brain hole, which that's what 1414 01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:40.079 happened here with Miguel Connor, because it hit me in 1415 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.400 the face like a brick wall. Dude, I was like, 1416 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:44.280 what's going on right now? Did you say Elvis Presley 1417 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:46.519 and Charles Manson the same sentence? I was like, what happened? 1418 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:50.119 I was like, Yo, that don't sound good at all. 1419 01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:53.599 Now, sure, ship, it's a thing. 1420 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:59.320 It's a thing like yelly, a way to contact each other. 1421 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.119 Well, it doesn't seem like they should be in the 1422 01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.599 same circle. But checked out this quote from Manson here, right, 1423 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.119 so he you know they're doing this interview with mooyn 1424 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:09.800 in a hand It says that you actually hang out 1425 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.159 with him? Sure, why not? I hang out with all 1426 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.039 of them people. That's my neighborhood. I lived in Elvis 1427 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.800 Presley's house. Man, he ran me out of the yard. 1428 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:19.359 I don't know why I started talking like what I 1429 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.199 presumed Charles Manson. This sounded like I lived in Elvis 1430 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.600 Presley's house. Man, he ran me out of the yard. 1431 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:26.880 I got mad at him. I was going to throw 1432 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.680 some rocks at him because I thought he was an idiot. 1433 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:33.079 He's an egotistical, fucking punk. I never liked him even 1434 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.880 a little bit, but everybody else always always cowtow to 1435 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.039 him because he was rich and everything. But to me, 1436 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:40.920 that only shit. I don't go a fuck how rich 1437 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:44.079 you are, I'll bust you up anyway. And I believe 1438 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.920 Charles Manson that was his ad. Just the man who 1439 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.760 grew up in prison and stuff like that. That's you know, 1440 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.039 he didn't give a shit about money, you know. Yeah, 1441 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.560 But according to him, he lived in the bel Air 1442 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.800 home of Elvis Presley and kicked his ass out in 1443 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:00.560 the yard because he's a little bit. Whether or not 1444 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.319 that's true or not, I don't know, But. 1445 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.039 Yo, did he eventually did he eventually go to the 1446 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.199 Manson Murdo? Did he eventually go to that mar Yeah? 1447 01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:12.680 That was right? 1448 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:17.000 Yeah, is it again within days that long ago? 1449 01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:18.680 Yeah, yeah, I was like, Yo. 1450 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:20.560 If I would have been asked that ship, that would 1451 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.399 have been like, Yo, we gotta spread this out a 1452 01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:22.840 little bit. 1453 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:26.840 Fa because it's gonna look real. Suspect show up a 1454 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.359 few days later, nobody's gonna. 1455 01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:31.680 Be like what the fuck exactly, it's a two months 1456 01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.800 You gotta put your you gotta put your feet in 1457 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.239 those you know, those blue sweat shoes. What was Elvis 1458 01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:38.520 doing there and what was his concern? What was his motivations? 1459 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:40.640 Fast to right? 1460 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:43.319 But let's also like just think though, back in the 1461 01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.479 nineteen sixties, I'm pretty sure the l a p D 1462 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:49.079 Was not that keen on keeping crime scene. Like I'm 1463 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:51.760 pretty sure those crime scenes were almost like a fucking picnic, 1464 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:53.880 you know, like just to bring people for it. Wasn't 1465 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.319 that sort of we gotta. 1466 01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:59.119 Do that that, you know, the whole phil when Philip 1467 01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:00.880 Van Adams on the job, you know, they were. 1468 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.720 Phil that when you took When I heard your show 1469 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:05.680 on that, I was like, holy shit, is that all right? 1470 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:08.000 Richard Wally was also there. He was the first guy 1471 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:09.840 on see it at the Tate Polanski House. He's the 1472 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.279 first officer On scene at Nicole Brown Simpson. 1473 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.319 You know, if you think about it, regardless the bodies 1474 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:18.279 being moved rid of it. 1475 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.319 But like I would even say the Idaho four case 1476 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.239 and that that case, it's almost like the same deal 1477 01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:27.119 with the fuckery off people just walking around ship, people. 1478 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.880 Being there for a while before anything was really gone. 1479 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:34.039 Dude. I actually was very close I think to when 1480 01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:35.840 I was doing that analysis their day and writing for 1481 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:37.840 a future show, comparing the actual crime scenes of the 1482 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.680 forensic just a pure forensic of both all these scenes. 1483 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:42.760 You hit it, You hit it right on the head. 1484 01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:44.720 There's or that is exactly the same thing we see 1485 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.039 in the Manson scene, the oj S, the Orental James 1486 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:51.159 Simpson scene, or Nicole Brown Simpson and Wrong Golden scene 1487 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.520 and the Idaho four scenes. So again we see the 1488 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.920 same people, same playbooks, and the forensics are all and 1489 01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:59.720 it's just it's one. It's all the same fucking thing. 1490 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.520 Yeah, it's almost like a script you can see being replayed, 1491 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.079 I think almost. 1492 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:09.319 And when you how they do this, I think, yes, sir. 1493 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:11.640 And when you got cocaine, Bob's buddy on the job 1494 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:14.680 for running the propaganda, Old Graydon Carter and airmail and 1495 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.840 ploying Howard Bloom. Then then you know you got yourself 1496 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.279 a nice uh, you got yourself a nice cover up 1497 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:20.840 going on here. 1498 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:23.199 I mean just from things that I've I've looked at 1499 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.680 and then things I've heard you talk about. It's just 1500 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:27.840 like I just thought, this just seems stretching. 1501 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.880 Dude. It's dude. It's identical to the way the Island 1502 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:36.720 one calls go down. Dude. So let if I made 1503 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:38.479 this real quick on that comparison, because you do bring 1504 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.239 up a great point there, Nick, So the Oldel James 1505 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.800 Simpson case at ten thirty two pm from ten forty 1506 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:45.760 two pm, a quarter of the state of California. Yeah, 1507 01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.479 I'm gonna geek out for a moment. Caine's ins over 1508 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.680 a Kane Be's the Purge. He's instituted a geek meter, 1509 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.199 geek geek off meter for me, so you know, he 1510 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:55.359 tries to bring me down a couple of notches. My 1511 01:11:55.439 --> 01:12:00.560 start wild wild, right. But so the the story goes 1512 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.159 the same as it does Idaho, right, So that the 1513 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.399 crimes occur from ten thirty two to ten forty two. 1514 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.319 I would argue as early as ten twenty per sem 1515 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.039 eyewitness and ear witness accounts of the case. But this 1516 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:14.119 is Nicole Brown Simpson around Goldman. In fact, this was 1517 01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:18.560 precisely this is the anniversary. This occurred on the night 1518 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.479 of June twelfth, and the police did not respond. Officer 1519 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.159 Wally did not respond until twelve seventeen am on the thirteenth. 1520 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.399 So this was June thirteenth, nineteen ninety four. Right. That's 1521 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.239 the same officer that was the first unseen at the 1522 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:36.239 Tate House on August tenth, nineteen sixty nine. 1523 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:37.000 Right. 1524 01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:41.720 So, and again we see them responding to the scene, 1525 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.640 not for a murder. Despite this is almost two hours 1526 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.279 after the murder occurred, and almost, I would argue, precisely 1527 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.640 almost two hours after the murder occurred. They're on the 1528 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.039 Bundie residence of Nicole Brown Simpson. They go there for 1529 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.520 a robbery in progress. No, there's no noises being made anymore, 1530 01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.760 there's no robbery in progress. They go there and they 1531 01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:02.840 find Nicole Brown Simpson's neighbor holding her dog over her 1532 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.279 dead body. So the that's a mystery. It's like when 1533 01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:08.319 they go to the Idaho right eight hours after the 1534 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.439 you know, so this is two hours later. That's eight 1535 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:12.399 hours later. In Idaho, right, But it's like you're saying, 1536 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.560 it's the same thing, same fucking thing. And then by 1537 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.199 the time anyone, any any cops get there, right, and 1538 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:20.960 you know, after this weird so that the Idaho calls 1539 01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:23.239 for an unconscious person, it may as well be as 1540 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.640 ignorant as the robbery in progress from shit that went 1541 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.239 down two hours earlier. So you see the same thing, 1542 01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.800 though the scenes get trampled and evidence is destroyed before 1543 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.279 shit is collected. So down down to the same thing 1544 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.680 with the DNA evidence under the fingernails of victim Madison 1545 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.920 Mogan and the Idaho case, and the DNA under the 1546 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.119 fingernails of Nicole Brown Simpson, and the blood that was 1547 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.600 on her that was not that was tested and it 1548 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.159 was not Orental James Simpson's blood. So we see the 1549 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.760 same thing. We see blood evidence in both cases being ignored. 1550 01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:55.359 We see evidence of what seems to be a struggle 1551 01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:57.680 with a victim with the DNA and her fingernails being 1552 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.319 ignored in both cases. See you are correct, or it's 1553 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.920 it's fucking literally the same m And they even have 1554 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.920 one more thing, if I may, They even have a 1555 01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.319 DNA witness, a DNA expert from the Oriental J. Simpson 1556 01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:17.319 Defense team testifying for Brian Coburger. Doctor Danielle Wolf. She's 1557 01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:24.000 a medical examiner now out of Florida and pathologist. How 1558 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:25.159 fucking weird is that? Man? 1559 01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:27.560 That's crazy? 1560 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:34.479 Well, another I'm thinking in terms of weird graphic crime 1561 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.359 scene where there was like total trampling of evidence would 1562 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:43.520 be the Jeffrey McDonald's case. He read my mind with 1563 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.439 suspect evidence. The blonde hair. You know that they've never 1564 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.319 been able to explain that they tried to match the 1565 01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.600 to the girls dolls and they're never able to and 1566 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.039 instead of a synthetic and some said it might have 1567 01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:57.000 been Helena Stokely's hair or wig or something like that, 1568 01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:01.600 and that whole I mean, there's a the fact that 1569 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:03.760 they weren't even willing to consider it, and the fact 1570 01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:05.920 that MacDonald, who's got to be in his eighties now, 1571 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:12.439 still won't He still will not admit guilt. He still 1572 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.239 maintains his innocence. And I went from believing he was 1573 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.119 dead to rights guilty to I think he got framed. 1574 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.479 And let me let me add a little bit of 1575 01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:22.319 let me add little sprinkles on the Sunday you just 1576 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.319 made their built. So we were talking about Gunderson earlier, 1577 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.560 and I find it very question. The first thing Gunderson 1578 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:32.840 does is take on this case, pardon me. He then 1579 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.439 gets the prost literally the processed church of the final 1580 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:40.119 judgment's attorney John Markham involved, and John Markham and uh 1581 01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:44.079 Alan Dershowitz go on to go ahead and extinguish the 1582 01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:46.319 appeals of Jeffrey McDonald and I would say, in a 1583 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.640 fashion that was ensuring that they weren't going to win 1584 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:50.279 and he would have nothing to fight for later. 1585 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:56.920 Should Yeah, it's it's tough to tell where Gunderson truly 1586 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.239 lays it in a lot of these things. Was he 1587 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:01.960 someone who was trying to get answers or was he 1588 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.039 someone who's like a double agent of things. I mean, 1589 01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.520 he was a guy who was like I think ran 1590 01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:09.039 the La LA office of the FBI. I mean, he 1591 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:11.079 was like someone high up in the FBI. And then 1592 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:13.680 you know, becomes a guy who talks about satanic ritual 1593 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:16.439 abuse and gets I think even consultant in terms of 1594 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.920 Oklahoma City. I know because I've spoken to who is it, 1595 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.079 Sergeant Terry Yeeke's wife who's on Twitter a lot, Kanya 1596 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.199 and she still stands by Gunderson's work. I mean there's 1597 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.600 people who are good with his work and others who 1598 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.000 believe that he was, you know, like almost like a 1599 01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.359 spooke you know, just a intelligence asset one form or another. 1600 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.720 Sure, well, if I may add to that point, would 1601 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:43.359 you believe I'm sure you since you followed Dana Dudo 1602 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.560 and Ronnie Jules TwixT account over there. Specifically in her work, 1603 01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:50.840 she recently uncovered a document from June fifteenth, nineteen sixty seven, 1604 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.720 at the Straight Theater in the Hayden, Nashbury that puts 1605 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:57.239 the Grateful Dead that is their manager's son at the 1606 01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.479 manager at the time and president of their music publishing 1607 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:02.800 company was a fellow by the name of Alan trist 1608 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:05.399 the son of Eric Trust, the founder of Tavistock. So 1609 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:09.640 we've got Tavistock, the Grateful Dead. Michael Racana Shudo is 1610 01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.800 a stage hand in this performance, and Charles Manson is 1611 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:15.359 a technical person in this performance on the backstage. So 1612 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.359 we have all that. We've got Michael Orcana Shooto, Charles 1613 01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:20.239 Manson and the Grateful Dead in the same place in 1614 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:22.920 the Street Theater in June fifteen, nineteen sixty seven, and 1615 01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.359 the reason why that's important to Gunderson is because Riconda 1616 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.279 Shoodo was the co intel prooperative reporting to Gunderson on 1617 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.760 the activities of the process and Manson and the hate 1618 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:32.840 Nashbury at this time. 1619 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:37.319 Yeah, that's I mean, that's after a while, it's like, Okay, 1620 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:39.000 when is it no longer a coincidence? 1621 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.119 And yeah, so for sure, but when is it? Like 1622 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:45.159 because Gunderson's like, oh, the Satanics, I've never heard of it. 1623 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.359 Let me let me learn about these things. Really ted, 1624 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.359 it sounds like you're going back to the late sixties 1625 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.199 deep Intoto studying the Satanic cold activity. 1626 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:57.119 Right, Yeah, he might have been, Yeah, he might have 1627 01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:58.039 been blowing smoke. 1628 01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:01.680 And it's how does the hire of the processed Church's 1629 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:05.359 attorney for Jeffer McDonald, how does that go down? Yeah? 1630 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.279 No idea is he is he? Is he fooled? Because 1631 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:12.439 if he's fulled, he's not a very good detective. Phil. Yeah, 1632 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.199 I'm not trying. I'm not trying to minisure anyone else's 1633 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:17.880 opinion of gunners. And I'm just saying, as it's a 1634 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.520 former private detective myself, I'm like, it's not a very 1635 01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:22.560 good detective. If he didn't you know, you know, he 1636 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:28.399 didn't look into that. Yeah. From day one, McDonald was saying, 1637 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:29.960 Hippie Colt, right. 1638 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:34.560 Yeah, And then they said he saw an Esquire magazine 1639 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:36.920 article that was on his coffee table that was talking 1640 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:39.560 about the Manson murders, and you know, so he wrote 1641 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:43.079 pig or something on you know, on the wall. Even 1642 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:46.119 though the wound he had could have killed him. But 1643 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:47.680 they're like, no, no, no, he put it to a 1644 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.119 certain way. It collapsed as long he knew because he 1645 01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:52.079 was a doctor, and it was like, you know, that 1646 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:54.880 was one of those sort of like, you know, shitty 1647 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.279 theories they ascribed to him, just like later on Fatal Vision, 1648 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.960 author Joe McGinnis, who was on a defense team, said, oh, 1649 01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:04.399 he was taking diet pills to maintain his hours, so 1650 01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.920 like using him as meth, which later on McGinnis said, oh, yeah, 1651 01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:08.439 I made that up. 1652 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:11.359 Correct me if I'm wrong, sir. 1653 01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:17.720 He do this man too, right, Aquina, it's the eyebrows 1654 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.000 gotta bills. 1655 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:22.159 They were all. I'm all I'm saying is Jeffer McDonald 1656 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:24.479 was a Special Forces Green Bray doctors signed to Fort 1657 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.720 Bragg at the very same time that a Kino is 1658 01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:30.119 down there at the Fort Bragg jfk uh Special Forces 1659 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:37.000 Warfare Center. I try to get him better, dude. That's 1660 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.760 the best. That's the best. Like, dude, I worked on 1661 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:40.520 the eyebrows for a minute. I was trying to get him. 1662 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.479 Really even trying to get. 1663 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:45.840 It wasn't easy. 1664 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:47.800 You're like this, this is good. 1665 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:49.800 That's the best. Like, I get it. I mean, it's 1666 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:52.159 they're kind of croaked. They're not. I didn't achieve the 1667 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.239 a Kinno crooked nature of his eyebrows. But you should 1668 01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:59.960 have represented with the eyebrows. Oh that's that's funny, dude. 1669 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.279 I can just paste them over these that's even better. 1670 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:03.039 I like that idea. 1671 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:06.840 He's got some crazy. 1672 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:11.199 Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you look back 1673 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.039 at his like high school yearbook, did he had them 1674 01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:14.119 wild eyebrows back. 1675 01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:19.359 I'm not like hope for guys, you want to get 1676 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.199 this ship done. But yeah, you should have went yeah. 1677 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:24.680 I mean I think he leaned into a little bit. 1678 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:26.520 But they weren't straight back then. They were little bit. 1679 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.680 They were definitely that they that it's like a callous, dude, 1680 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:30.600 he has like a callous in his eyebrow or something, 1681 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.079 you know, what I mean, like a thing. 1682 01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:38.680 His eyebrows. His eyebrows looked like they could have been 1683 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:40.920 like I mean, they could have compared to like Fred 1684 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.039 Goldman's mustache. 1685 01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:46.640 You ever see Fred Goldman's got a legendary mustache. Dude, 1686 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:50.920 that's up to that's legendary, dude anytime. That's what's the 1687 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:52.319 deal with Fred Goldman? What's he into? 1688 01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:57.159 Goldman? I don't know. All I just remember was I mean, 1689 01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:59.520 because again I believed in the you know, I really was. 1690 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:04.159 I believed OJ was innocent, and then then I believe 1691 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:05.800 that he was guilty. Then I believe the ad help. 1692 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.279 And now now after listening to one of your your 1693 01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.680 last shows with that, I'm like, yeah, I never thought 1694 01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:13.720 he acted alone if he did it, But I'm like, 1695 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:16.960 now I'm kind of convinced, you know, he didn't do it. 1696 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:19.680 But yeah, I don't know if I may, if I 1697 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.000 may add a detail to my last o J Simpson 1698 01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:25.920 the Orenthal J Simpson the Great OJ Debate, which was actually, 1699 01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:28.640 you know, Julia causing Pete suggested that I'm glad you 1700 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:30.079 did because that was a great show. I enjoyed it. 1701 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:33.640 I did forget, you know, in my in my attempt 1702 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.560 to maintain a narrative of my brain hole and have 1703 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.520 the conversation and you know, pull up things. You know, 1704 01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:42.239 I did forget one salient characteristic there. So the blood 1705 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.319 evidence in the case, there was OJ's that was found 1706 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.600 in weird spots and you know, very precise, very symmetrical 1707 01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:52.159 drips was was tested and tested positive for e d 1708 01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:56.760 t A, which is the Yeah. So the defense had 1709 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.119 a guy that testified, even had the FBI agent coming 1710 01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:02.199 testify Beau because the FBI, they strangely enough in a 1711 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.239 rare instance that it just really boggles my my brain hole. 1712 01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:09.079 The FBI did something ethical and correct. So and when 1713 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.159 the when the prosecution tried to get them to testify, 1714 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:13.000 saying that there was no d t A, they came 1715 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:14.600 in and testified there was, right. 1716 01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:19.840 I remember. The one guy who I remember because later 1717 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.960 on he would come up talking about issues with the 1718 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:25.560 FBI crime lab was Frederick Whitehurst. I remember that he 1719 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:27.520 testified the OJ case, but I don't remember if it 1720 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:28.640 was about d t A or not. 1721 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.119 Well, I think they had a different guy from the 1722 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:34.840 FBI that the prosecution had. Again we're talking about different 1723 01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.960 offices I think within the FBI. So like the prosecution 1724 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.079 witness just didn't show up nearly. Now, we're just not 1725 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:42.840 going to come into that because obviously there's E. T. E. D. 1726 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.520 T and an. You bastards did that, you. 1727 01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:49.399 Know, I mean between what was it van at Er 1728 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:50.800 walking around with the violet blood? 1729 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:55.640 You had you all not just not just oriental J. Simpson. 1730 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.800 He had the victims files too, it later came to 1731 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:58.239 find out. 1732 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:00.720 And then you had basically what was it like the 1733 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:04.119 two you had Dennis Fung who was like the guy 1734 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:06.880 later on the thing shook the defense team's hand after 1735 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.159 he test fled and after they just like totally torched 1736 01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:11.560 him on the stand. And I think his assistant was 1737 01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.000 like it was her first week. She was like a rookie. 1738 01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.760 I mean it was you know, you couldn't have written 1739 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.239 at You're described better. 1740 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:22.600 What you're describing, well, I think they did. I think 1741 01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:24.520 that is a scripture. I think what you're describing is 1742 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:26.680 the machinations of something that was intended to fail from 1743 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.000 the beginning. So why is Firman there in the first place? 1744 01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.760 You know, he basically gets assigned to the robbery homicide. 1745 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.000 I think it's three months four months prior. It's not 1746 01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:42.520 long prior. Yeah, he's doing traffic most of his career. 1747 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:44.520 He was a guy who tried to get a psyche 1748 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.800 discharge within his first two years and tried to get 1749 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:49.039 disability for it, you know. 1750 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.159 Yeah, And he's the guy that everyone knew, including the 1751 01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.720 Prosecutor's office, was having an affair withh Nicole Brown Simpson 1752 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.000 in the court into an internal affairs investigation report in 1753 01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:00.760 numerous members of both the LAPD and the OSCARS office 1754 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.800 were aware of comments and statements or witnessed things that 1755 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:08.039 exhibited that he was indeed having an affair with the 1756 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:08.960 Cole Brown Simpsons. 1757 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:12.560 That wouldn't surprise me in the least. 1758 01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:16.319 It was ignored because now I wanted That's what I'm saying. 1759 01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:17.920 The whole thing was blown up from the beginning, and 1760 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.359 he was he blew up both the case for both 1761 01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:23.319 the prosecution and the defense, because by the time he 1762 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.800 hits the stand and for the prosecution in March, the 1763 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:29.199 defense has already laid out a lot of this questionable 1764 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:33.520 evidences we're already discussing here, right, Yeah, I mean, the. 1765 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:36.119 Whole thing was they were trying to build I mean, 1766 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.520 talk about scripted the confrontation between him and I think 1767 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:41.800 at one point they wanted a flee Bailey to go 1768 01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:42.439 against him. 1769 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:46.840 And you know Bailey, is that the guy that was 1770 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.520 running that I ran contrabank out of Miami back in 1771 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:52.279 ninety three, the year prior to the Oarenthal J. Simpson case, 1772 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:53.199 that that athlete Bailey. 1773 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.279 Yeah, but probably before he got this marred, because I 1774 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:57.039 know that happened. 1775 01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:02.000 It's why all these connections of the same damn shit, right, 1776 01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:04.960 I mean again, it's the fact that Bill Colby's son 1777 01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:07.520 is the chief witness for the prosecution against Thornthal. J. 1778 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:10.960 Simpson should tell it tells me this that when so 1779 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.159 Oj gets him and Nicole separate, I think it's ninety one, 1780 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.279 she moves into a different residence. Think it's on Green 1781 01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:20.920 Street there in Brentwood or somewhere around there, and she 1782 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.960 is living with the manager of that restaurant group that 1783 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:27.319 is owned by the Mafian is the front for all 1784 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.079 this cocaine trafficking, the same restaurant group where Ron Goldman 1785 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:33.159 and a number two of his buddies were all marked. 1786 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:35.840 Not just Goldman, you know, they had numerous buddies in 1787 01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:39.840 that same restaurant group marked. And she's Nicole's living with 1788 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.039 the manager of that restaurant group. So they have locations 1789 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:46.880 in Brentwood, Malibuu, Beverly Hills, and Aspen, Colorado, which is 1790 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:49.520 interesting for a different different tale, for a different day. 1791 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:53.039 But you know that incident in October ninety three where 1792 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.720 he's over there screaming about cocaine and hookers in the 1793 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:57.520 background of what he thought was a call to her 1794 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:58.960 mother and would turned out to be a nine on 1795 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.760 one call. You know, he's going nuts, right, and she 1796 01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:04.560 doesn't press charges because you know, you know, he made 1797 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:06.840 some good points, you know what I mean. So he 1798 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:09.680 makes her move out of that home and again I'm 1799 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:11.720 not white knighting for raenttheal Jay Simpson or I'm just 1800 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:13.359 laying out, you know, some of the stuff that was 1801 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.119 hidden in these matters. He makes her move out of 1802 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:18.760 that home and move into the Bundy address. He makes 1803 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:21.520 Homeboy move out, he makes Kato'kalen, he was also living there, 1804 01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:24.600 move into his guest house. So he's he's kind of like, 1805 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.600 he says, no, none more of this shit around my kids, 1806 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.000 which is what he's yelling in the background, what having 1807 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:32.520 coke and hookers around my children? Right, And because she 1808 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:34.880 was running around with Heidi Flies over there in that house, right, 1809 01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:37.920 and again this dude, this dude, her roommate was dating 1810 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:42.199 Heidi Flyice's one of Heidi Fly's recruiters, right, So there's 1811 01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:45.680 the intermingling of all the cocaine and the fly sookers 1812 01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:48.520 going on next door to all this activity. Is Carl Colby? 1813 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:54.319 What's he doing living next door to this'? That's why 1814 01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:57.279 he testifies later he's used by the prosecution by saying 1815 01:26:57.319 --> 01:27:00.319 that during from ninety one to ninety three, that including 1816 01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:03.279 that October of ninety three incident, that Orental J. Simpson 1817 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:06.119 was a madman who definitely killed his wife because he 1818 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:10.000 abused her. That was what his testimony was. But why 1819 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:14.239 is he living next door to this mafia run? You 1820 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:16.039 know all these you know that, you know all all 1821 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:18.399 the shit we've already talked about living next door to that, right. 1822 01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:22.359 Meanwhile, Nicole Denise is dating Fiata. 1823 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:29.199 There you go, sir, there you go, a known hitman, right, 1824 01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:32.279 unknown hitman who's later dragged in by the defense in 1825 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:32.720 the case. 1826 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:40.079 It's crazy, I mean a lot of crazy interlocking connections. 1827 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:41.920 I mean, and then what is it? 1828 01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:42.279 I mean? 1829 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:45.199 I always found it interesting that both Cato and Paula 1830 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.840 Barbieri both wound up doing like basically saftcore porn movies. 1831 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:53.399 After the fact, Well the deal, you make a deal 1832 01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:55.159 with the devil, sir, you got to pay off that debt, 1833 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.399 and that devil is Bob Cocaine Evans. 1834 01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:01.359 Well, yeah, he's lost up on his career, kind of 1835 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:01.800 went the ship. 1836 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:04.680 Kata is lucky he didn't. He didn't, you know, have 1837 01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.800 to get the old Bob poop h you know, slide 1838 01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:10.520 campaign going on there. Legend has it Bob built an 1839 01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:12.720 intro good two stories slide system in his vedroom where 1840 01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:14.079 he could stand at the top and shipp in the 1841 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:18.079 hooker's mouse at the bottom of the slide. Yeah, Cato 1842 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.640 is lucky he didn't get that treatment, you know what 1843 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:22.520 I mean, very true, you may have. I'm not sure. 1844 01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:25.640 I'm just saying that Cocaine Bob's even this mixed him. 1845 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:27.520 Him and O J were tight. They were they were 1846 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:29.520 They played a week, they had weekly tennis matches and 1847 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:32.159 shit like that. You know, they were, they were in 1848 01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:34.279 They were at least in some regard friends. 1849 01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.399 Well, I think, I mean, if anything else, Cocaine and 1850 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:43.079 Hollywood go together from the beginning I mean just I know. 1851 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.479 You're gonna say cocaine and Bob Evans go together like 1852 01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:46.079 peanut butter. 1853 01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.319 Well, he tried playing down like in the two books 1854 01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:53.720 I read, he kind of plays down his cocaine usage. 1855 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:56.000 You know that it was all for his his you know, 1856 01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:58.239 his back or whatever it was, and you know this 1857 01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:00.840 and that, and I said, it's part of It's like 1858 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.560 I think, you know, I think you're just trying to 1859 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:07.319 make it working like an opiate. Yeah, like that he 1860 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:13.880 wasn't possibly like one of the yeah, like, he wasn't 1861 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.119 one of the people that George Young was referring to 1862 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:17.039 in the movie Blow. 1863 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:21.119 You know, like when it's funny you say that, because 1864 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.520 I think one of the fellas in the movie Blow, 1865 01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:25.520 the guy that essentially is part of the team that 1866 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.920 you know, turn turncoats against George Young. There who Nick 1867 01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:33.680 Nick knows George Young. He's met him before in prison. 1868 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:36.359 Really yeah. 1869 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:40.640 Yeah, when I got there right before he left, was 1870 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:42.399 there for maybe a year year and a half before 1871 01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:42.760 he left. 1872 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:45.359 I think that's when he was he Brew probation and 1873 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:46.920 got put back in there, is when you saw him. 1874 01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:49.359 I think, I think, Yeah, I think you're right, because 1875 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:51.439 after that. I think he basically kind of disappeared. 1876 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:53.359 Well, yeah, there's. 1877 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:54.920 That. 1878 01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:57.159 Did they get him again? I don't know, but yeah, 1879 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:58.520 he might have been there, like you're saying. 1880 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:01.760 Well, know what, I know, I looked at I looked 1881 01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:04.520 at when he when this happened. So he broke probation 1882 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.359 by going back out to California when he got out 1883 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:08.840 the first time, he went out to California and had 1884 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:11.880 a birthday party with his old hair salon drug dealing buddy, 1885 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:14.600 so pee wee. Herman's character in the film is based 1886 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.159 upon these two brothers, and they're still alive and well 1887 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:19.279 in San Diego today. And George they threw George Young 1888 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:21.439 a birthday party and he got He went back to 1889 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:23.000 prison for that, like you did in the film before, 1890 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:26.520 right for breaking probation. He did it again. So that's 1891 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:27.720 when he ended up in Fort Dicks. 1892 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.640 Isn't it weird that to himself and everything that guy did. 1893 01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.119 He really he's living on high class then, huh. I 1894 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.640 guess you're running the Median coke for the Iran concrat 1895 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:43.439 stuff for many years. They're gonna they're gonna show you 1896 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:44.920 some gratitude, I suppose, right. 1897 01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.279 Yeah, he was like in a building where where all 1898 01:30:48.359 --> 01:30:50.479 the new people come in and then they get like 1899 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.119 kind of uh, they get determined where they're gonna go 1900 01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:54.239 with whip building and everything. 1901 01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:54.840 It's almost like. 1902 01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.079 And like to get a like to even get a 1903 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:01.960 job in that building for some reason, and to get 1904 01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:03.720 like a kid kids like if you're a porter, or 1905 01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:06.159 you'll get your own room too, or you might just 1906 01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:08.520 share it with one other guy. That's like a big 1907 01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:11.359 like holy fuck, how did you pull out off? If 1908 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:13.239 that sounds crazy, but this is you know, how it 1909 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.239 goes in prison. And he was just you know, he 1910 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:17.119 was just rocking a room to himself and then to 1911 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:18.720 begin with so, I mean he had like a sweet 1912 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.439 setup that like people in prison like wish they could 1913 01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:21.720 have got. 1914 01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:27.159 I feel like that's what the mob gets, right is 1915 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:28.680 that kind of like what you see in the Mob movies, 1916 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.039 Like uh, they get that special, like that same kind 1917 01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:34.920 of special. Fell Yeah, good Fellas well. 1918 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:38.000 They so here's the thing they used to or the 1919 01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:40.199 story guys that they they put a stop to that. 1920 01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:43.119 But like in Goodfellas, what Henry Hill had with Paulie 1921 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:46.159 and Johnny Dio and those guys was, yeah, they would 1922 01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:48.479 kick kick money to the guards who were getting paid 1923 01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:49.640 you know dog shit. 1924 01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:52.279 Yeah, I don't know if I'm buying that film no 1925 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:55.119 offense or because they put what that one crime boss 1926 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.399 me cam Buttoner, North Carolina. They put him in with 1927 01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.600 Bernie Madoff. They were they were sale mates together, were 1928 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:05.119 Sell's wasn't it a who was it? 1929 01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:05.439 Was it? 1930 01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:10.319 Persico was the Columbo crime family boss always ship you're 1931 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.800 right start, So I imagine those two fellas were living 1932 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:13.720 high on the hog right. 1933 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:18.680 Well at Persico got transferred there was so he winds 1934 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:22.920 up getting convicted in the commission case. He's in uh 1935 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.560 Lompunk and there's a huge article written I think it 1936 01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.319 was the Daily News breaking about how the fact it 1937 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.600 was Persico one of the guys from the Westies, and 1938 01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:36.640 I think it was a couple of guys from Roy 1939 01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:40.199 de MEO's crew in the Gambinos. We're all kind of 1940 01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:42.760 hanging out the plant in a rock band. Persico's g 1941 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.600 gets his own garden basically like a club fed. Even 1942 01:32:45.640 --> 01:32:47.640 though Lompoke I think was like even though it was 1943 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.439 I think it was medium correctional. It wasn't maximum. It 1944 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:52.640 wasn't like you're San Quentin. 1945 01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:57.560 It's right outside VanderBurg Air Force Base. I know exactly 1946 01:32:57.560 --> 01:32:58.199 what you're talking about. 1947 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:02.239 So that led to eventually they're like, we got a transfer, 1948 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.479 like this doesn't look good. But I mean they had 1949 01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:07.039 issues where I think, like New York answers, there's one 1950 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:12.079 guy who I think I think smuggled his boys out 1951 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:14.840 his sperm maut to impregnate his girlfriend and they're like okay, 1952 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:17.680 and then because he's bribing a guard and they're like, yep, 1953 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:19.199 we got to put a stop to that. Not saying 1954 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:21.840 it doesn't still happen, but I think it's a little 1955 01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:26.560 less obvious, like when a place would become fed, you know, 1956 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:26.880 like he. 1957 01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.039 Took it down a couple of notches. Huh, Phil, you 1958 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:32.479 are you are, indeed and man with a lot of details, 1959 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:34.399 because I forgot which mob boss that was, and you, 1960 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:37.319 as always were corrects are with the When it comes 1961 01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:40.640 to your mob knowledge, it's extensive. It's made off closest 1962 01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:44.479 prison Chum Columbo, crime boss, Family of Family, crime Boss, 1963 01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:47.359 car Mine Persecuka, the Snake. 1964 01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:50.079 The Snake, Yeah, he's the one who lived the longest 1965 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:53.199 out of anyone who got got the one hundred years sentenced. 1966 01:33:53.239 --> 01:33:55.079 A lot of those other guys were dead within a 1967 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:55.880 handful of years. 1968 01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:58.960 Some match made in hell right, made off of that 1969 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:00.760 guy made. 1970 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:02.439 Off who never said a bad word about the Mets 1971 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:04.840 owners the will Palms, even though he screwed us for 1972 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:05.680 over a decade. 1973 01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:08.199 Oh that's a story I'm have to hear some some 1974 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:12.960 timer in the future. That sounds interesting, Phil. 1975 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.199 Did you know Vincent battle Lamente? You know who he is? 1976 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:16.119 Have you ever heard anything? 1977 01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:17.439 Wasn't he? 1978 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:19.319 It sounds like a guy who was at in the 1979 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:22.279 Bananos maybe And when that name sounds familiar to me. 1980 01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:29.680 I was left up with that dude too. Oh wow, Brooklyn, I. 1981 01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:34.600 Wonder if he was related to the Sicilian boss. There 1982 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:36.760 was a guy Gaetano about the alimente. 1983 01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:40.439 He can y'all help a dumb an Palachian man out 1984 01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:41.720 when it comes to spelling these names? 1985 01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:42.039 What what? 1986 01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:43.479 How do you can we spell that for me? 1987 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.439 Yeah? I just found the Here we go. 1988 01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:50.439 So this is a Banano guy because the they're you know, Bananos. 1989 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:53.720 That's as far as these families go. Columbos and Bananas 1990 01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:55.720 are my favorites as far as interest in things that 1991 01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:56.399 their activities. 1992 01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:02.399 Good answer, Sorry, Donnie Brasco, I was, you know, thinking 1993 01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:04.319 about I mean because they got kicked on the mission. 1994 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:06.760 They got kicked up the commission for that, you know, 1995 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:08.840 almost making an FBI agent. 1996 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.119 And that ties in I don't want to go, well 1997 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:13.920 you will go. Since we were already talking about Elvis, 1998 01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:17.840 that ties into Operation Fountain Pen, the undercover operation Elvis 1999 01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:21.720 was involved in with the FBI. There. So he dies 2000 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.560 and the Operation Fountain Pen mobsters get busted the next day. 2001 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:28.399 But that that investigation, which was being conducted out of 2002 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:32.760 Memphis for multiple years with numerous FBI agents on Elvis's 2003 01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:35.439 you know, roadie group, right, traveling with him and whatnot 2004 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:38.479 his crew, right, is you know, his entourage if you will, right, 2005 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:42.720 because he always had a big entourage. So the day 2006 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:45.760 after he dies there in August was at August seventy seven. 2007 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:48.520 Right, August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. 2008 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:51.760 Yeah, the next day that the syndicate I believe was 2009 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.800 they were calling themselves, they get busted by the FBI. 2010 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:58.600 So this operation they called Operation Fountain Pen then continues 2011 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.000 on and involves into the largest multi jurisdiction, the longest 2012 01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:06.399 running investigation in FBI history, out of the FBI's Indianapolis 2013 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.600 Field Office and one of the things that spawns is 2014 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:12.520 Operation ab Scam, right, And another thing that spawns is 2015 01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:15.880 the Donny Brasco operations. Right. That's why you see the 2016 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:19.279 boat being used in Abscam in Brasco because they're part 2017 01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:22.520 of the same overarching Yet there you go, sir, that's 2018 01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:24.199 a kind of a that's kind of a major kind 2019 01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.479 of moment in that story right where they're like, oh shit, 2020 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.960 Donny Brasco, you're about to get fucked up if they 2021 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.840 find out they're using this Operation Abscam boat, right yep, 2022 01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:37.359 with with Santo's traffic Conte nonetheless, right, that's who they're 2023 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:41.399 meeting with, right yep. So these operations are all derivative 2024 01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:44.800 of Operation Fountain Pen. That's why they see they're using 2025 01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:46.840 the same assets in those two in that operation. 2026 01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:47.159 Right. 2027 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:50.800 So I just think that's interesting that started with Elvis. 2028 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:53.039 I think it's still going today and I have that's 2029 01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:55.119 a story for a different day. But I did whenever 2030 01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:57.439 that little bit the other day with Troublemaker Joanah must 2031 01:36:57.439 --> 01:36:59.800 show there in Operation pat Gun and Idaho Nazis. 2032 01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:00.760 So how did that go? 2033 01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:05.239 Oh dude, that was a fantastic conversation. Do I got 2034 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.720 so much more ship to read about from. 2035 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:11.000 That, because I know, I know he's another one with 2036 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:12.199 a photographic memory. 2037 01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:16.359 I'm I'm I'm actually afraid to invite Phil and Joanah 2038 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:18.279 in the same conversation because I might, I might, my 2039 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:20.039 old brain on might blow up. Dude. 2040 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:23.439 You probably just sit back and just like chill out 2041 01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:24.000 and see nothing. 2042 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:26.600 I know, but the amount of new information I had 2043 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:31.880 tabs on. Dude, here's here's one from there night that 2044 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:33.800 I thought was kind of odd. You fellas might enjoy 2045 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:37.159 you all familiar with the actress Melissa jo and Hart 2046 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:38.640 Sabrina the teenage. 2047 01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:41.479 Witch was her swimming coach. 2048 01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:45.560 No ship, Okay, I did not know that. 2049 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:52.239 All right, llys out there, what is it, mister Crowley, 2050 01:37:52.319 --> 01:37:53.039 my man teacher? 2051 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:58.039 Come on, Oh, that's right, that's what you said first 2052 01:37:58.399 --> 01:38:02.359 about Alistair Curley from that guy right the Osbourne songs. Yeah, 2053 01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:08.319 apparently she's remember that Nashville trans apocalypse shooter at the 2054 01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:12.520 Christian school two years you maybe three years ago. 2055 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:15.039 The one that were sitting on the manifest. 2056 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:19.239 There you go, sir Aubrey maybe something? 2057 01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:21.359 Yeah, I think Aubrey I forgot. 2058 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:26.319 Would you believe Melissa john Hart was unseen saving the 2059 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:34.399 children from that school. Oh Jeffreeze in my back. 2060 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:36.720 No, no, you you got. 2061 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:41.880 Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad that broke your gents brain 2062 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:45.920 holes as much as you are you talking about Dan. 2063 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:51.199 I was like, no, yah, I had so many tabs 2064 01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:53.520 from that conversation that it was a great conversation. Folks 2065 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:55.000 to check it out. But I joked at the end, 2066 01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.319 it's like, I got I got seven, I got seven 2067 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.159 tabs open that are on Melissa Joan Hart. Really then 2068 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.720 I got seven Melissa jo and heart related tabs open. 2069 01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:05.640 So it was that was that shocking of a revelation 2070 01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:08.239 to me, Like, why is she like, of all people, dude, 2071 01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:10.760 of all people? And I wanted to bring up that story. 2072 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.199 I'm glad you asked that because uh, you didn't intend 2073 01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:14.680 to ask that, but t me up from a point 2074 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:18.800 here that why is Jody Sweeten from full House at 2075 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:21.119 the forefront of these LA riots? What's your thoughts on 2076 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:21.960 on that, fellas. 2077 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.079 I'm actually wondering if maybe these. 2078 01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:26.960 Would you like to see a video? I'll bring up 2079 01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:27.560 a video. 2080 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:31.560 If you'd like go for it. Yeah I saw it too, Yeah, yeah, go. 2081 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:33.560 Ahead, I'll bring the video. White white shirt. 2082 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:35.960 I just wonder if it's like you know, when people 2083 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:36.920 are like, uh, when you. 2084 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.960 Hear Lady Gaga a bitch about like this interview that 2085 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:43.000 was years ago, everybody thought like, oh, she's so cool, 2086 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:44.800 she doesn't want to have to sell perfume what she's 2087 01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.199 doing now anyway, you know, bitching about saying that, like 2088 01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:48.159 the industry makes. 2089 01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:49.359 You do things you don't want to have to do. 2090 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:53.000 I actually have wondered as being like b B B 2091 01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.479 people are extras and syops actually part of their job 2092 01:39:56.560 --> 01:40:00.960 as well sometimes, which is kind of what you're saying now. 2093 01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:02.239 These people are showing. 2094 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:05.920 Up being actual price paying gig. 2095 01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:06.399 Yeah. 2096 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:08.920 Yeah, and you know you're being a scumbag doing that ship. 2097 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:13.600 Yeah, it's a paying gig. 2098 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.000 Right, Yeah, it's just part of the contract. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm. 2099 01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:19.640 Not saying it. I'm not saying it's sag session. I'm 2100 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:21.600 what I'm saying is it's yeah. 2101 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:26.600 Well maybe like James, Let's that's exactly. 2102 01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:28.880 What when I say, these folks look like from Central Casting. 2103 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:33.920 Right there you go, sir, that's a great example. He 2104 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:36.279 could have saved us all, Phil if it wasn't for James. 2105 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:37.960 You know, James Woods tried, he could have saved us 2106 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:40.319 all and that and that what he kind of claims, 2107 01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:46.119 right yeah, Mark Wahlberg too, Right, He's like, if I 2108 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:47.920 was there, I would have fought all those guys. 2109 01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.600 Mark Wahlberg, Seth MacFarlane who managed to miss his flight. 2110 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.600 You know, maybe he could have told him jokes. Who knows, 2111 01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:56.199 you know, you think of all those guys who just 2112 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.920 managed just to miss that flight, get it. That is 2113 01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:01.640 Peter gripping a personation a little. 2114 01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:07.720 So what so what you're what we're saying that that? 2115 01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:10.680 I mean, this sells the concepts of the whole narrative, right, 2116 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:14.600 these guys are these stars and whatnot. They're like you know, 2117 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:16.840 obviously you know there's stories or preposteros, but it helps 2118 01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:20.079 sell the general narrative, right, Like I feel like it's 2119 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:20.880 part of the show. 2120 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:22.640 Want to see Zelensky? 2121 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:26.960 Yeah right, Like what's that about? 2122 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:29.840 Well, just like, well, you're the one we got for. 2123 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:32.199 This, Sean Sean Penn. 2124 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:38.359 Available. And then later like now Josh Brolin's down in 2125 01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:41.079 Mexico filming in the whatever movie, you know whatever. He's 2126 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:42.359 into these you know what I mean, they probably have 2127 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:44.319 a whole list, Like now he's on the assignment over here, 2128 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.199 he's on set here. We can squeeze in Matthew McConaughey, 2129 01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:48.039 but just for the weekend. 2130 01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:51.640 Yeah, we can get him into this shooter, this shooter 2131 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:52.319 that we got going. 2132 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:56.119 Yeah, you know, Charrels Harrelson, the assassin's son. Matthew McConaughey 2133 01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:57.680 can get him into. But he's got he's only got 2134 01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:59.279 forty hours available, so it's got to be. 2135 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:01.680 Yeah. I couldn't believe that shit. 2136 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:03.319 I'm like, Yo, this dude walks around with people have 2137 01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:05.560 guns on them and he's like fucking talking about you know, 2138 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:06.720 guns and ship. 2139 01:42:07.359 --> 01:42:08.760 Right, shut up. 2140 01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.560 Clearly not a text and clearly not a text. 2141 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:14.720 Kind of like you know, I hate to like like 2142 01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:16.239 start like to be one of those people that's like, 2143 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:17.840 now I don't like some of this stuff because. 2144 01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.920 Us that move. But that really did ar. That was like, dude, 2145 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:23.439 just shut up, to sit the fuck down, don't so 2146 01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:24.800 don't become one of these animals. 2147 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:29.600 Well maybe that's like another Maybe that's like another way, 2148 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:31.800 you know, like they talk about the whole thing with 2149 01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:36.960 certain actors, the whole the buck buck broken thing. Maybe 2150 01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:39.319 that's another way of it. You know, like it's you 2151 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:43.840 like you think of someone like I mentioned in seth 2152 01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:46.880 MacFarland supposedly being hungover and his agent told him the 2153 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:49.039 wrong time, so he misses the flight out of Boston 2154 01:42:49.159 --> 01:42:53.800 that wants uprassion. And then then what does he go 2155 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:57.760 on to do besides when Family Guy gets eventually brought 2156 01:42:57.800 --> 01:42:59.920 back on again, he becomes one of the biggest donors 2157 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:03.720 to the Democratic Party, you know, like he hosts galas 2158 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:06.159 for Obama. I mean he's been he's been sucking off 2159 01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:08.520 the Democrats now for a good while. I mean Family 2160 01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.640 Guy couldn't even watch anymore because it just became Trump 2161 01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:13.760 jokes left and right. Like I'm not a Trump fan, 2162 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:15.319 but I'm like, after a while, I don't need I 2163 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:19.319 don't need too much politics in my shows. And uh yeah, no, 2164 01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:22.279 I think he went he embraced it wholeheart, you know, 2165 01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:26.039 like Hull Hog. I don't know so much about Wahlberg. 2166 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:28.399 All I know is Wahlburg has a lot of money, 2167 01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:33.560 and I know that Wallburg produced Entourage, which has Ari 2168 01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.840 Gold who's supposed to be Ari Emanuel. So you know, 2169 01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:40.000 I'm sure at some point, you know, Mark Wahlberg you know, 2170 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:41.840 sold out in some form. 2171 01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:44.960 And uh, you know that's kind of a sat tire 2172 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:49.079 on Wahlberg's life, right Entourage, Right, yeah, yeah, those are 2173 01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:51.680 real the people, the characters in there, they're all events 2174 01:43:51.720 --> 01:43:53.560 and Chase his friends and whatnot. Those are all based 2175 01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:54.520 on Wahlberg's crew. 2176 01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:58.039 Yep, because I think the guy, the real Turtle died 2177 01:43:58.159 --> 01:43:58.600 years ago. 2178 01:43:58.760 --> 01:43:59.119 I know that. 2179 01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:01.399 I mean, I think I watched like one episode of 2180 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:03.520 the show, but he was still a slash. 2181 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:04.800 Yeah. 2182 01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:07.920 The only thing, I mean, there's only so much Jeremy Piven, 2183 01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:10.199 you know, scrimming like a jackass. I can listen to an. 2184 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:13.199 Entire Yeah, go around, I don't I don't falt you there, 2185 01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:17.119 Sir is trying to look up that pilot's name from 2186 01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:20.199 the from Blow, the film Blow. So just before I 2187 01:44:20.239 --> 01:44:22.079 forget that the film Blow, there's a pilot that comes 2188 01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:24.039 in throughout the film, you know, when they're doing all 2189 01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:27.600 the dealings. Him and Diego who's Carlos later the mediend guy. Right, 2190 01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:29.920 So they bring in that white dude, that pilot from 2191 01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:33.520 Florida that, in my opinion, is Larry Greenberger, the husband 2192 01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.840 of Karen Greenberger, bought cocaine. Bob's associating the co conspirator 2193 01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:40.600 and the murder of Roy raiding and the wife. Larry 2194 01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:43.039 Greenberger was Median Guy's number one guy in America. So 2195 01:44:43.159 --> 01:44:46.039 we see in this story blow George Young gets busted 2196 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.239 shortly thereafter, right, and it's this guy Larry Greenberger who 2197 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:51.560 takes over as that number one dude in the median 2198 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:54.079 car tell that George Young was doing. So we see 2199 01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:56.000 these stories in different narratives where you just don't see 2200 01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:57.880 him push together or mashed together like that. But that 2201 01:44:58.279 --> 01:45:00.640 my opinion. We do see Larry Greenberger in the film 2202 01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:02.399 Blue Okay, So. 2203 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:04.760 He's the base for what was the guy named Jack Stevens? 2204 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:06.319 I think was the name of that I. 2205 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:09.319 Always, sir, I swear, I swear, Phil, you were a 2206 01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:12.159 man with many details. I could not I was googling it. 2207 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:15.279 I'm like, what's the pilot's name, George George Jones on 2208 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:15.640 the pilot? 2209 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:16.000 What is? 2210 01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:19.359 Why is it? Why is giggle stupid? Yeah, Jack Stevens. 2211 01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:24.359 There we go. So Jack Stevens, you know my opinion 2212 01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:29.199 that is Larrnberger. Yes, sir, it's crazy. 2213 01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:30.399 I mean, uh yeah. 2214 01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:32.159 When when it comes to I mean when you think 2215 01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:36.760 of the the interlocking connections with these with well with 2216 01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:40.399 the drug world, but you know, you think of whenever 2217 01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:44.680 they started really going in the importing into the country 2218 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:48.520 with the contras, I said, I you know, they had different, 2219 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:52.439 different you know operations. I mean, I think they had 2220 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:56.000 him going from you know, Mediyan through you know, Miami. 2221 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:58.560 I think that, you know, the cocaine cowboy types. I 2222 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:01.760 think they had it going through well, first it was 2223 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:04.159 Louisiana with Barry Seal, and then later it was through 2224 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:08.720 Nina when Louisiana kind of basically threatened to threaten to 2225 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.960 kick Seal out or arrest him. And then I think 2226 01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.319 they probably even had a pipeline through Texas, you know, 2227 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:17.159 like they had whatever available port that they could get through, 2228 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:21.000 they could get through. But then, you know, handful of 2229 01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:23.279 years before, you know, a lot of the stuff with 2230 01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:24.760 the contra stuff you had. 2231 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:27.520 There was. 2232 01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:28.960 I don't know if you guys have ever heard of 2233 01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:31.479 there's a guy named Bill Tyree, who I believe is 2234 01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:35.159 still alive, is currently rotting in a prison in Massachusetts 2235 01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:37.920 for the murder of his wife. And he was Special 2236 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:43.239 Forces out of Fort Devons And how do you spill 2237 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.960 it Devons or Tyree? 2238 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:48.760 Is it t y r ee? 2239 01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:54.479 Yep? Yeah, his wife, his wife Elaine, and so Bill 2240 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:59.239 Tyree had allegedly taken part in some operations. Yeah, I 2241 01:46:59.319 --> 01:47:01.600 was watched. How was the name of the covert op? 2242 01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:05.960 And because a few of the people who were I 2243 01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:08.479 think his superior officers who tried to blow the whistle 2244 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:13.399 on it died suspicious deaths. And yeah, Tyree I think 2245 01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:17.000 has tried to appeal. I think he's yeah, nineteen sevent nine, 2246 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:20.119 We're talking like forty five years, almost forty six years. 2247 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:23.960 I think, well, yeah, so is this relative to Iran Contra, 2248 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.079 the four Brag operations or the twenty Special Forces what 2249 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:27.760 we'll be talking here? 2250 01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:31.399 Well, this, this actually involves this was before I ran contract, 2251 01:47:31.399 --> 01:47:35.720 but this involves uh noriega. I also believe in. 2252 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:38.600 Uh yeahs elements and elements that we would later know 2253 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:40.520 to be Iran contrac if I may and also make 2254 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.239 correct my statement, yep. 2255 01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:46.720 And also an Israeli named Michael Harrari who would pop up. 2256 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:48.840 The number elements of this case seem to be chilling 2257 01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:52.520 at echoes of the Jeffrey McDonald case. Huh yep. I 2258 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:57.319 reviewed this Yeah, you also reviewed this book. Oh excellent. Okay, 2259 01:47:57.399 --> 01:47:59.720 so you you know this book then? Okay? Nice? 2260 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:04.439 Yeah, the goal because now I first come across Tyree's name, 2261 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:09.600 I believe in it was a book called Defrauding America, 2262 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:14.319 which is about this guy who was he was I 2263 01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:17.560 think he was an FAA safety inspector who saw corruption 2264 01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:21.600 in the airline industry and then eventually the government went 2265 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:24.159 after him. And then later on he got introduced to 2266 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:26.760 a lot of other people and you know, covert ops, 2267 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.159 guys who kind of got you know, were the victims 2268 01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:31.920 of limited hangouts. And he kind of talked about that's 2269 01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:33.600 first the first time how I ever heard about the 2270 01:48:33.600 --> 01:48:38.720 Franklin scandal was based off Defrauding America. But he also 2271 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:44.680 mentions Bill Tyree and Tyree's case, you know, is interesting, 2272 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:49.239 and you know, there was Watchtower, and then when Tyree's 2273 01:48:49.359 --> 01:48:52.600 trial was going on, there turned out to have been 2274 01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:57.279 a surveillance operation called Operation or Well, which involved. 2275 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:03.800 Yeah, listening, how on the nose? Is that phil. 2276 01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:09.439 Listening devices being planted in prosecutor. 2277 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:14.399 Did they call it Project Big Brother? Also? Was that 2278 01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:15.319 like a sub project? 2279 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:15.880 Yeah? 2280 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.279 Yeah, I mean let's say, said what we're doing, then 2281 01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:21.920 they could they could be on the nose, you know, 2282 01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:26.920 but they supposedly I think bug ted Kennedy's office. I 2283 01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:29.319 think they said, even religious officials, like whatever it was 2284 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:34.640 to keep this operation secret. And I actually so years ago, 2285 01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:36.560 it's like two thousand and three. I could pretty much 2286 01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:38.159 pinpoint the year they used to have the A and 2287 01:49:38.239 --> 01:49:42.319 E show Investigative Reports. It was what's the name Bill Curtis? 2288 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:42.920 Bill Curtis. 2289 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:45.600 That great, That was a good show. Man. I enjoyed 2290 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:48.119 some of that ad program back then. Criminal Confidential that 2291 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:48.840 was a good one. 2292 01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:51.600 That and American Justice. American Justice is one. 2293 01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:53.960 Of my other friends that he did. Maybe the City Confidential. 2294 01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:57.039 They did weird City Confidential. 2295 01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:00.960 City Confidential that was where I saw. They did Biloxi 2296 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.840 with the murder of Vince Sherry and his wife Margaret, 2297 01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:05.760 and it was a judge and his wife and uh 2298 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:09.079 that wound up connecting to the Dixie mafia and got 2299 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:13.239 the mayor of the mayor of Biloxi indicted. But with 2300 01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:17.800 with the Tyree case, they had an episode called Murder 2301 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:21.199 at Fort Devons. It aired. In terms of me seeing 2302 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:26.760 it once, never saw it, and because at one point of. 2303 01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:28.680 This bill, this is the first I'm hearing of these things. 2304 01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:31.520 So I'm glad, I'm glad you're airing it. 2305 01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:34.840 Well, it's interesting enough, so when they referenced some of 2306 01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:37.920 the stuff that Tyree was talking about, you know, in 2307 01:50:38.079 --> 01:50:40.239 terms of why his wife was murdered to you know, 2308 01:50:40.359 --> 01:50:44.520 keep watchtower shut up. They show like a document and 2309 01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:48.399 I see two names, Edwin Wilson and Frank Turple, and 2310 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:51.640 I'm like, oh shit, because I you know, already come 2311 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:54.720 across those names. Ed Wilson was like they called him 2312 01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:56.399 the death Merchant. He was the guy who was set, 2313 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.760 you know, convicted of selling arms to Libya with Kadafi. 2314 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:05.159 Even know Wilson said I was CIA, and they're like, no, no, no, 2315 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:06.960 he's no longer CIA. He was running this group and 2316 01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:09.119 it was called Task Force one fifty seven, which was 2317 01:51:09.159 --> 01:51:09.840 out of the Navy. 2318 01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.479 And uh, I think he ran a foul of man. 2319 01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:15.239 May Put might have put a pause there for a 2320 01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:17.560 Task Force four five seven out of the Navy. 2321 01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:23.279 Yeah, and I think I mentioned where Wilson was from, Idaho. 2322 01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:26.600 Oh that's how this is the dude I was going 2323 01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:29.000 to ask you about, Thank you, sir, Yes, yes, yes, okay. 2324 01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:30.880 So that's what I was saying. This is the pro 2325 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:33.319 that's what I was getting out with the proto machinations 2326 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:36.720 of Iran Contran. This is the guy that the connects 2327 01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:37.960 it right, yep. 2328 01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:40.960 Yeah, so Wilson he was a guy. So he winds 2329 01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:43.399 up getting sentenced to I think it was life because 2330 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.560 between the selling weapons, and they said at one point 2331 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:50.319 he put a hit out on the prosecutor and also 2332 01:51:50.439 --> 01:51:51.039 his own wife. 2333 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:54.000 It's never a good idea. I don't care how bad. 2334 01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:58.920 And well hit the prosecutor who'd be involved in his case? 2335 01:51:59.479 --> 01:51:59.800 What was it? 2336 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:03.680 Lawrence Barcela was wound up being involved, I think involved 2337 01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:06.359 in the October Surprise investigation. So that guy's kind of 2338 01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:07.239 suspect as hell. 2339 01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:09.960 And you mean to tell me this guy was both CI. 2340 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:12.760 It's people like this guy that I find very fascinating 2341 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:15.520 because he's both CIA, but he's an O and I 2342 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:17.760 guy assigned to CIA. And I don't think those two 2343 01:52:17.840 --> 01:52:20.880 organizations like you very much, Phil, yep. 2344 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.680 And I think sacrifice. He was sacrificed because he'd be 2345 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:27.560 involved in that company was called EATS COO, which is 2346 01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:31.279 like Egypt Arms Transportation, with the guy named Richard Secord 2347 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:34.439 who would pop up in Iran contra because he was 2348 01:52:34.600 --> 01:52:39.079 Air Force general, and a guy named Albert Hakeem, a 2349 01:52:39.119 --> 01:52:42.680 guy named Thomas Kleins who was CIA Cleins would would 2350 01:52:42.680 --> 01:52:45.199 wind up being sentenced in Iran contray. I think for 2351 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:50.520 I've been perjury and Shackley Ted Shackley. 2352 01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:54.159 Old Ted, that's a dark character right there. Yeah. 2353 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:56.119 Ed Wilson was connecting with a lot of guys, a 2354 01:52:56.199 --> 01:52:59.079 guy named Rafael Chichi Quintero, who I believe might have 2355 01:52:59.119 --> 01:53:03.960 been Operation for Uh. You know, I like that quhen 2356 01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:07.159 Tero came up in the book I finished, uh TJ. 2357 01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:11.520 English's last book. I believe it was the corporation about uh, 2358 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:15.439 these guys who were cocaine cowboys out of out of Miami, 2359 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:17.600 but they were former Cube you know, Cuban exiles. 2360 01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:22.840 But before I go back here, so this was the 2361 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:28.560 for Divers case there, I'm sorry for Devon's case there. 2362 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:32.039 So it says this case provoked suspicions of judicial misconduct, 2363 01:53:32.079 --> 01:53:35.560 government cover up, clandestine black ops by the military, and 2364 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:39.479 various conspiracy theories, ultimately implicating deep state involvement. I mean, 2365 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.119 I can see the correlations to McDonald. And again it 2366 01:53:42.279 --> 01:53:45.880 is this network of we're talking about, right, this Operation forty, 2367 01:53:46.439 --> 01:53:51.079 you know, the Material Assistance Command Bill Colby, uh, basically 2368 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:52.359 umbrella of network. Right. 2369 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:56.079 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to connected. I mean, especially 2370 01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:59.119 when you have Noriega's in there and Michael Horrari who 2371 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:03.359 as an israel The intelligence asset pops up in a 2372 01:54:03.399 --> 01:54:05.439 lot of things kind of like uh, this one who 2373 01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:08.439 was a Raphael Rafi e Tom. You know, you start 2374 01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:10.319 seeing these guys pop up over and over and over 2375 01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:13.840 and over again, and right right, yeah, I wouldn't be 2376 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.119 surprised if they're connected or if like as one kind 2377 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:21.680 of like when we talk about I mentioned, uh, newgan Hand. 2378 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:24.159 Before newgan Hand there was Castle Bank, like one thing, 2379 01:54:24.479 --> 01:54:27.640 one thing wants up getting shut down, pops up something else, 2380 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:31.720 and and then later on after newugan Hand, there was 2381 01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:35.520 a bank called Bishop Baldwin, Rewald, Dillingham and Wong, which 2382 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:37.680 was out of Hawaii that had a guy Ron Rewald 2383 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:40.199 who said he was CIA, and you know that bank 2384 01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:44.000 collapses and you know he winds up taking the fall 2385 01:54:44.079 --> 01:54:46.960 for this bank, and then you know, just one thing 2386 01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:47.640 leads to another. 2387 01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:49.880 It's always the CIA at the top of these boards. 2388 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.720 And typically seems like at least with b CCI, the 2389 01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:54.359 Vatican Bank involved as well. 2390 01:54:55.239 --> 01:54:59.119 Yeah, I mean, uh, you know they said, what was it? 2391 01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:01.760 I think that was just coming across. I got Posner's book, 2392 01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:04.000 which I started reading. I said, which I don't know 2393 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:06.359 considering the fact that it's Posner and he's another one 2394 01:55:06.399 --> 01:55:09.840 of those mainstream, you know, narrative guys from JFK to 2395 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:12.439 Martin Luther King. I mean, the Vatican Bank is like, 2396 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:13.960 I don't give into conspiracies, is. 2397 01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:17.680 Like, all right, right, very convenient. They're posing are very convenient. 2398 01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:20.159 So when it comes to all these characters, Phil, why 2399 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:22.920 is it always coming back to the whole as Tricky 2400 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:25.600 Dick put it in the Watergate tapes, that whole bay 2401 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:32.039 of pigs thing. I think, I mean, they look right 2402 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.319 here with add Wilson, right, he's even colluding with Cuban 2403 01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:36.720 exiles part of that same as you were in describing 2404 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:39.600 the Operation forty fours. These folks, the Barry Seals, the 2405 01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:42.479 mitchewear Bells, the Gary Hemmings, you know, the folks that 2406 01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:46.359 are training these Cuban forces to go assassinate Castro that 2407 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:49.560 you know, seemingly they're they pop up everywhere around these 2408 01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:52.319 these you know operations, the relative to Iran contrary and 2409 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:54.439 there you know, constituents within the CIA. 2410 01:55:55.399 --> 01:55:57.520 I think it's an offshoot at like what you'd call 2411 01:55:57.600 --> 01:56:01.439 like the old Boys Network. Now, when Danny Cassilara was 2412 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:08.199 trying to was trying to trace the origins of the octopus, 2413 01:56:08.840 --> 01:56:11.800 he puts it all the way back to a failed 2414 01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:16.000 CIA operation and I think it was, I want to 2415 01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:17.920 say Albania. It had something to do with one that 2416 01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:22.279 Kim Philby gave up the infamous six meter spy for 2417 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:27.039 the Russians, and that out of that came what would 2418 01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:29.319 be the octopus, and that you know in his book 2419 01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:31.680 he names them. And I know ed Wilson is someone 2420 01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:35.600 he actually had reached out to in some form. I 2421 01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:37.520 know he wanted to interview Howard Hunt. I know that 2422 01:56:37.680 --> 01:56:41.199 was part of his plans before he died. But I 2423 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:45.239 know ed Wilson was somebody reached out to. And it's 2424 01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:49.079 interesting enough Wilson. Now Wilson dies in twenty twelve. He 2425 01:56:49.199 --> 01:56:51.039 did spend the last eight years of his life. He 2426 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:55.159 did get out of jail, and he got sprung based 2427 01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:57.359 off a lawyer who used to be CIA. 2428 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:00.840 Kind of. 2429 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:02.800 Yeah, they proved the fact that the c I a 2430 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:05.720 lie that Wilson was working for them when he was 2431 01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:09.960 selling arms to Kadafi. You know, I think, like I said, 2432 01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:11.640 I think he was just sacrificed because he was too 2433 01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:14.840 high profile. He was he was spending you know, I 2434 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:16.920 think he had like multiple houses. He was just living 2435 01:57:16.960 --> 01:57:19.279 too high on the on the hog for people like 2436 01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:22.960 you know, will uh Ce, Cord and Shackley, who would 2437 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:24.560 have preferred he kept a low profile. 2438 01:57:25.399 --> 01:57:28.159 You know what I mean, You're you make some reasonable 2439 01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:29.920 points there, like where your head's up for sure? What 2440 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:33.039 are your thoughts on, speaking of these matters with Castile 2441 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:35.920 and gag, what are your thoughts on why is Michael 2442 01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:38.960 riccona Shoodo still alive today? Or easy? 2443 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:43.000 I think, I mean he's still alive because so Actually 2444 01:57:43.079 --> 01:57:45.000 I was just reading today and I was it was 2445 01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:48.920 on Facebook originally that Netflix. 2446 01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:52.000 Michael Riconas on Facebook. That'd be to do. 2447 01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:57.439 Now, someone someone who knows certain elements of the story 2448 01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:01.840 who looked into it. This whose father was actually killed 2449 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:08.359 in the Indio case, the Cavson, the Cabson Indians that 2450 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:09.359 the murders. 2451 01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:12.840 Old girl whose dad was murdered by by uh Was 2452 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:14.560 it one of the Nichols fellas I always get the 2453 01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:15.760 Nichols was mixed. 2454 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:19.560 Up there, possibly on the orders of John Nichols and 2455 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:21.640 by a guy named Jimmy Hughes. Jimmy Hughes is the 2456 01:58:21.680 --> 01:58:24.840 guy who was indicted for it and then was supposedly 2457 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.199 converted became like a minister like in. 2458 01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:30.680 Uh contracts hitman for the CIA though correct. 2459 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:33.800 Yeah, I believe so. I think even self admitted said 2460 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:36.319 that he was an assassin, and I think might have 2461 01:58:36.359 --> 01:58:39.600 been connected with the Gambinos, possibly like Robert Booth. 2462 01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:42.319 Nichols was uh what I was gonna say. These Nickel 2463 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.840 boys seem to be connected to the Mouth families, right. 2464 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:52.239 Yeah, and well Nicholas was also uh to the Yakuza. 2465 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:59.319 But with with this Facebook post Rachel Begley, whose father 2466 01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:01.800 was I think alth Boger was the guy's name. She 2467 01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:08.000 was responding to allegations Racanda Shooto made to Covert Action magazine, 2468 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:12.119 which had published like a further takedown of the American 2469 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:18.439 conspiracy the Octopus Murders documentary, which got nomination. Yeah it was, 2470 01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:23.159 it was good, but they what she was counteracting was 2471 01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:27.640 attacks on Sherry Seymour, who wrote the Last Circle about 2472 01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:31.760 the Octopus all those aspects of the series. Yes, and 2473 01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:36.079 that Racanda Shuto was accusing Sherry Seymour of lying, and 2474 01:59:36.199 --> 01:59:40.680 that Gunderson was representing Rikanda Shuto and where she came 2475 01:59:40.720 --> 01:59:42.479 in and all this, and there's been a tax on 2476 01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:45.640 her because speaking of Oklahoma City, I don't know if 2477 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:48.159 you've seen it on Twitter a little lately, is in 2478 01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:52.840 the last few days one of the researchers in Oklahoma 2479 01:59:52.920 --> 01:59:55.239 City who I used to really admire his opinion, has 2480 01:59:55.279 --> 02:00:00.000 been going after doctor Wendy Painting and anyone who support 2481 02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:02.479 or it's her, and there's been a war of words. 2482 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:05.680 And is this the guy that got arrested for murder 2483 02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:10.279 or convicted of murder? The uh who? 2484 02:00:10.760 --> 02:00:11.479 Going on Twitter? 2485 02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:14.640 Yeah, his name was Joy and Cleebold. 2486 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:19.800 No, no, no, no, this is another Booth. He goes like, okay, 2487 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:23.640 see okay, see facts, and I guess Wendy Painting might 2488 02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:24.640 have something. 2489 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.800 And now you know there was some guys seen that 2490 02:00:26.880 --> 02:00:29.199 other guy. Yeah, okay, I've seen you. I want to 2491 02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:31.039 make sure I wasn't thinking of the same guy. Okay, 2492 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:31.359 thank you. 2493 02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:34.359 Yeah, Booth has been going like off on a tear 2494 02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:35.479 and apparently what's there? 2495 02:00:35.560 --> 02:00:37.000 What's their beef? Now? What's it? Ever? 2496 02:00:38.640 --> 02:00:42.039 I think him and Wendy Painting used to be like close, 2497 02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:43.880 like they used to kind of bounce ideas off each other, 2498 02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:46.560 give each other research, and then I guess something happened 2499 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:50.359 where she said he was like, I guess being overly friendly. 2500 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:53.119 And then then it felt like after a while, I 2501 02:00:53.199 --> 02:00:55.880 kind of like got quashed. And then recently it started 2502 02:00:56.000 --> 02:00:59.600 up again. They got Terry Yeekey's widow involved and like 2503 02:01:00.279 --> 02:01:03.840 just misrepresentation this and that. And then today he was 2504 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:06.359 going like scorched earth because people are telling him, hey, 2505 02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:09.319 you're you're making this personal. And I guess that included 2506 02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:12.520 Jesse Trena do the one whose brother was killed, who 2507 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:15.920 was uh found dead in prison what was it like, 2508 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:18.880 I think in the Midwest, or the one who they 2509 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:20.800 said killed himself but was beaten a pulp and he 2510 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:23.439 was might have had some information in regards to McVeigh and. 2511 02:01:25.159 --> 02:01:25.600 Thirty years. 2512 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:30.159 Yeah, so I guess trying to do And another guy, 2513 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:35.560 Ken Silva, who does great research, told Boot to tone 2514 02:01:35.600 --> 02:01:38.119 it down and he basically said, fuck these guys, done 2515 02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:40.800 with them, And yeah, he's like, I am the King, 2516 02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.520 I'm this. I'm like, is this guy like fucking drugs 2517 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:45.680 or something like? I mean he went scorts with because 2518 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:48.680 even even Dana said Dana had tweeted said, what do 2519 02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:50.560 you you know, what do you hope to get out 2520 02:01:50.560 --> 02:01:54.520 of this? Like what's your what's your buddy? But yeah, 2521 02:01:54.560 --> 02:01:57.960 he's trashed Sherry Sherry Seymour. He says that she's an 2522 02:01:58.079 --> 02:02:01.199 FBI and formant. I said, this is like Posts. This 2523 02:02:01.399 --> 02:02:06.520 is like first generation JFK assassination what cointel pro sort 2524 02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:09.479 of thing where it's like everybody starts to distrust each other. 2525 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:12.640 It starts to be just like nothing but a tax 2526 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.319 and nobody knows who to trust mirage men. Like, there's 2527 02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:18.880 just weird shit going on and is it just And 2528 02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:21.840 I like Wendy Painting's book, but I said if if 2529 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:24.039 if I had issues with her, I said, I would, 2530 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:25.920 but I stay out of this ship. But it was 2531 02:02:26.000 --> 02:02:28.600 just crazy because left and right posts today, this guy 2532 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:29.039 was going on. 2533 02:02:29.119 --> 02:02:30.880 I like your style, sir. It's best not to get 2534 02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:35.439 involved in these right. Yeah. It's uh, those of these 2535 02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:38.199 matters though that seem to get pretty contentious. These folks 2536 02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:40.000 get a real butter. 2537 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:46.600 Yeah. The only one I like watching is when Dana 2538 02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:49.720 goes after Manny Manny Grossman, because Manny Grossman just seems 2539 02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:52.960 like a guy who loves alienating everybody in his research. 2540 02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:55.479 I not only love that statement. But I also have 2541 02:02:55.560 --> 02:03:01.199 no idea what you're talking about, sir. But you were 2542 02:03:01.239 --> 02:03:03.439 mentioning that that Clinton book earlier, So what was the 2543 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:05.079 theory there on the Oklahoma City stuff. 2544 02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:08.199 It was one of the first time I ever saw 2545 02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:12.880 the name Andrea Strasmeir and Lhem City and what was it, 2546 02:03:13.399 --> 02:03:16.640 Bob Malar and Carol Howe and it kind of talks 2547 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:19.039 about that whole thing I never knew. I mean, that 2548 02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:22.600 was like the first for me because I had, you know, questions. 2549 02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:26.039 I was only you know, fourteen when Oklahoma City happened, 2550 02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:29.319 but certain things didn't seem right. We went from the 2551 02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:31.680 news that first day saying they thought it was like 2552 02:03:32.880 --> 02:03:35.399 Islamic ge hot. That was like that first day, and 2553 02:03:35.479 --> 02:03:38.880 then McVeigh gets arrested and they're like, oh, so we're 2554 02:03:38.920 --> 02:03:41.640 going to completely different direction. And then you know, it 2555 02:03:41.800 --> 02:03:44.920 was just my first kind of like eye opening, you know, 2556 02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:48.439 aspect to Oklahoma City and they were saying, yes, it 2557 02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:52.640 was possibly like a sting gone bad. And then that 2558 02:03:52.920 --> 02:03:55.319 basically what happened to Howe afterwards, where she was kind 2559 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:59.399 of disavowed and I think, you know, they threw her 2560 02:03:59.479 --> 02:04:01.479 under the bus, and I think that continued until her 2561 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:05.279 death this year, which got buried until who was it? 2562 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:08.399 The guy who wrote the Men who'ster at Goats Ronson? 2563 02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:09.840 John Ronson, who Loves. 2564 02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:12.800 Loves almost beat you to it, sir, almost got you. 2565 02:04:13.159 --> 02:04:15.359 You've barely gotten me, Phil I got. I thought I 2566 02:04:15.399 --> 02:04:17.920 had a book title before you. For a second, Dewey 2567 02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:21.119 decimal system wins again, sir, I think I have to 2568 02:04:21.199 --> 02:04:23.159 check out that book. That sounds very fascinating. If I 2569 02:04:23.239 --> 02:04:26.800 may circle this back to Jay Simpson and uh Cocaine, 2570 02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:31.119 Bob Evanson gang right, So yes, what was sir? What 2571 02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:34.199 was the name of that book? Again? Your Secret Life? 2572 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:37.439 I forgot a book market The Secret Life of Dell Clinton. 2573 02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:40.880 There we go, Thank you, sir. Let me make sure 2574 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:43.159 I save that here to here before I forget again 2575 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:48.479 the This sounds very fascinating. So I am interested in 2576 02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:49.800 a lot of those aspects on whe or not I 2577 02:04:49.920 --> 02:04:52.720 believe there was a we you know, we messed up. Okay, thanks, 2578 02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:55.279 but thanks for playing FBI. But you know what I mean. 2579 02:04:55.279 --> 02:04:57.239 But I am interested in some of these perspectives because 2580 02:04:57.239 --> 02:04:59.159 there is a lot going on that is very relevant 2581 02:04:59.159 --> 02:05:01.880 today here still with with a lot of these matters, 2582 02:05:01.960 --> 02:05:05.399 and it's old Firman that interests me relatively, the audio situation, 2583 02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:09.119 the OJ situation, et cetera, and again and again his 2584 02:05:09.199 --> 02:05:11.960 connection to the order which connects to the Yellowhem City stuff. 2585 02:05:12.039 --> 02:05:15.119 Right so in Operation pack On Randy Weaver, part of 2586 02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:18.319 the material Assistance Command of Bill Colby and Bill Colby's 2587 02:05:18.359 --> 02:05:21.560 son testifying against O. Worenthal Jenny Simpson. It's the epicenter 2588 02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:24.560 of these activities that concern me. Right. And again it's 2589 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:28.439 the throughput seems to be the cocaine trafficking in around 2590 02:05:28.600 --> 02:05:32.760 cocaine Bob Evans, right. So, yeah, I do find those 2591 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:34.199 things very odd, and I wanted to play a couple 2592 02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:36.399 of videos here to leave it back in here for 2593 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:38.279 us and close it out. And I do appreciate both 2594 02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:41.000 your gents times this evening and in conversation. It's been 2595 02:05:41.039 --> 02:05:43.720 a real barn burner. Hopefully it seems like folks of 2596 02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:45.960 the interwepts have enjoyed it. However, I fell so far 2597 02:05:46.039 --> 02:05:49.079 behind comments, I'm not sure folks are comment anymore. But 2598 02:05:49.840 --> 02:05:52.319 I do appreciate the folks of the interweb't comments that 2599 02:05:52.359 --> 02:05:54.039 I could keep up on it before. I do apologize, 2600 02:05:54.079 --> 02:05:57.159 but the clips I wanted to play, I mentioned Jody 2601 02:05:57.199 --> 02:05:59.079 Sweeping before in this whole full house and the la 2602 02:05:59.199 --> 02:06:01.920 Riots were seeing pop off. You know, I think there 2603 02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.079 isn't an aspect of what you're an out of work 2604 02:06:04.119 --> 02:06:07.399 actor and it is a paying gig, right, But it 2605 02:06:07.479 --> 02:06:11.800 does concern me considering Cocaine Bob's relations to you know, 2606 02:06:11.880 --> 02:06:15.119 brokering the marriage between Rome and Polanski and Sharon Tate, 2607 02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:18.199 and he seems like he was a processing in himself, right. 2608 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:20.479 I think that's what Maury Terry was kind of asserting 2609 02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:22.239 there in the Ultimate Evil, that he was at the 2610 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:25.800 the upper echelon of whatever this cold activity was that 2611 02:06:25.920 --> 02:06:28.319 was connected to the Son of Sam, that connected to 2612 02:06:28.479 --> 02:06:31.920 Charles Manson and spawned from coast to coast to multiple decades, 2613 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:41.279 right in the Ultimate Evil, Right, So that zero on, 2614 02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:43.760 you know, on the Inn, the O. J. Simpson situation, right, 2615 02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:47.199 and then you know again the deep connections of all 2616 02:06:47.239 --> 02:06:49.199 these things with the officers on that case to the 2617 02:06:49.239 --> 02:06:52.840 Manson situation. You know, it's it's Van Atter, the lead 2618 02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:56.560 detective in Simpson that arrests Polanski for that rapen back 2619 02:06:56.600 --> 02:06:57.319 in seventy seven. 2620 02:06:59.239 --> 02:06:59.479 Shit. 2621 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:01.960 He would later claim that he would later claim, well, 2622 02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:03.920 me and Roman are friends now so he can go 2623 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:05.680 f I mean, in death, he can go fuck himself. 2624 02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:11.760 The uh, it's strange. I went deep on van Attur recently. 2625 02:07:11.800 --> 02:07:14.479 I didn't realize he was one of those van Atters. 2626 02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:19.119 So my clan Vance here we hail from Logan County, 2627 02:07:19.159 --> 02:07:23.680 West Virginia, where my forefather, admir Vance was the settler 2628 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:29.359 there and back in the late eighteenth century, and right 2629 02:07:29.399 --> 02:07:31.239 around that same time in Logan County, which is now 2630 02:07:31.319 --> 02:07:34.039 within Virginia now West Virginia, fellow by the name of 2631 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:37.319 John van Atter settled there as well. And those van 2632 02:07:37.359 --> 02:07:41.239 Atters intermarried with my clan Vance over the generations, where 2633 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.399 I have a lot of cousins named van Atter, and 2634 02:07:43.479 --> 02:07:46.000 they have a lot of and they're all cousins Philip 2635 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:48.520 van Atter. So that got weird this week when I 2636 02:07:48.600 --> 02:07:52.800 discovered that one the you know, it is the epicenter 2637 02:07:52.840 --> 02:07:54.399 of all these people out there, like you know, and 2638 02:07:54.560 --> 02:07:58.359 it's strange. So van Atter's father, grandfather, forefather, etcetera. Is 2639 02:07:58.359 --> 02:08:01.159 all from Logan, Logan, Lincoln County in West Virginia, and 2640 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:05.119 right across the river you have Charles Manson hailing from 2641 02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:07.199 right there too. It's just a weird epicenter of activity 2642 02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:11.239 to find these folks involved in business in Los Angeles, right. 2643 02:08:11.319 --> 02:08:15.119 But relative to these videos here it is that epicenter 2644 02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:18.279 of activity with Manson and Cocaine Bob and the Tate 2645 02:08:18.319 --> 02:08:21.279 Polanski house, which again has its connections to Idaho as 2646 02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:25.239 well because Sharon Tate, the victim there in Colo Drive. 2647 02:08:25.319 --> 02:08:29.239 Her father was US Army Lieutenant Colonel Paul Tait, and 2648 02:08:29.960 --> 02:08:33.319 he would famously go undercover in nineteen seventy investigating his 2649 02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:36.520 daughter's murder by growing his hair out long a beard 2650 02:08:36.560 --> 02:08:40.199 and infiltrating the hippie scene. His protege was US Army 2651 02:08:40.239 --> 02:08:44.720 intelligence officer who would apparently assist him. That man's daughter 2652 02:08:45.199 --> 02:08:48.720 tells a story how her father would travel through numerous 2653 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:51.119 assignments as the protege to Colonel Paul Tate, and in 2654 02:08:51.239 --> 02:08:53.960 nineteen seventy they would move to the Bay Area where 2655 02:08:53.960 --> 02:08:56.760 her father would go undercover for the next few years, 2656 02:08:56.800 --> 02:08:58.600 and he wouldn't she wouldn't see him. I would argue 2657 02:08:59.159 --> 02:09:01.239 he was assisting as boss Colonel Paul Tate and the 2658 02:09:01.279 --> 02:09:05.359 investigation of the murder of Scharanty. That woman I call 2659 02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:10.239 her the Gooch Idaho State Police detective Victoria Gooch. She 2660 02:09:10.479 --> 02:09:13.079 is the most integral character in the case against the 2661 02:09:13.159 --> 02:09:16.600 framed up case against Patsy Brian Koeberg and the four 2662 02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:19.840 homicides at Curd eleven thirteen, twenty twenty two in Moscow, Idaho. 2663 02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:22.880 So to say this character, there's not these weird connections 2664 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:26.079 again between all these scenes. You know, it's it's this way. 2665 02:09:26.239 --> 02:09:28.880 It's just too much, Phil, It's too much. But we see, 2666 02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:31.600 we see that same Ciela Drive property being purchased in 2667 02:09:31.640 --> 02:09:34.039 nineteen ninety four by the executive producer. 2668 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:35.680 For Full House, Jeff Franklin. 2669 02:09:36.159 --> 02:09:40.319 Jeff Franklin, Yes, sir, he would then purchase or he 2670 02:09:40.359 --> 02:09:42.880 would build a monstrous home in the property, after destroying 2671 02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:45.800 the original home where the murders occurred, and after kicking 2672 02:09:45.880 --> 02:09:48.039 Trent residor Marilyn Manson out of the property, because that's 2673 02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:50.640 he was residing there at the time they were renting. 2674 02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:54.520 And you know, Marilyn Manson lives there today again, strangely enough, 2675 02:09:55.279 --> 02:09:57.079 and in the basement of that property owned by the 2676 02:09:57.159 --> 02:10:03.039 executive producer of Full House Land Manson lives again, is 2677 02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:09.680 a museum to Elvis Presley. And if that's not a 2678 02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:13.399 deep connection to Elvis in the Manson situation, I have 2679 02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:17.119 a brief clip here to emphasize just how much Elvis 2680 02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:19.920 and old Chuck knew each other. And maybe, in fact, 2681 02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:23.359 Charles Manson was not a lined It was Buddy Michael 2682 02:10:23.399 --> 02:10:26.920 moynihand's kind of his autobiographer, if you will there when 2683 02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:28.960 he made that statement back in nineteen ninety five that 2684 02:10:29.159 --> 02:10:32.359 he used to live on Elvis's house, because the bel 2685 02:10:32.399 --> 02:10:34.720 Air house that Elvis oed there in the Beverly Hills 2686 02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:37.520 about four miles away from the Cilow Drive home, so 2687 02:10:37.680 --> 02:10:40.640 not that far away. But I you know, maybe that happened. 2688 02:10:40.680 --> 02:10:43.560 Maybe maybe Charles Manson kicked Elvis's punk ass out to 2689 02:10:43.640 --> 02:10:45.119 the curb like he claimed for it. 2690 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:53.640 In nineteen sixty nine, when Charles Manson kills Sharon Tate 2691 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:56.239 and all those people have said and remember, scared him 2692 02:10:56.239 --> 02:10:56.520 to dead. 2693 02:10:56.640 --> 02:10:59.239 He armed every one of us. That's when it became 2694 02:10:59.720 --> 02:11:00.600 very paranoid. 2695 02:11:00.640 --> 02:11:03.119 And then we get the death threat in Las Vegas 2696 02:11:03.640 --> 02:11:07.000 and he has this picture of Manson in that courtroom, 2697 02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:10.199 and he's picturing someone like that sitting in a courtroom 2698 02:11:10.279 --> 02:11:12.560 that their claim to fame was they had shot and 2699 02:11:12.640 --> 02:11:16.680 killed Elvis Presley, and he took Jerry and Red and 2700 02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:19.640 myself who were doing the security mainly at that time, 2701 02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:24.239 and said tearfully, if it happens, I want you to 2702 02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:25.079 get to him first. 2703 02:11:25.520 --> 02:11:28.920 I don't deserve to be cut shot killed by anybody. 2704 02:11:29.920 --> 02:11:31.119 And then he told him told. 2705 02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:41.760 Us what he wanted us to do to him. You know, 2706 02:11:44.319 --> 02:11:47.000 kind of weird, kind of weird, right for these works. 2707 02:11:47.439 --> 02:11:49.319 If they didn't know each other, why is he gearing 2708 02:11:49.399 --> 02:11:51.399 up so much? He was about something, right. 2709 02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:56.920 Yeah, Well they were talking about again in that relationship 2710 02:11:57.000 --> 02:12:01.880 with his ahead, and I would. 2711 02:12:01.640 --> 02:12:05.359 Say, like, in the wake of the tape murders just 2712 02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:07.439 had like you know, Hollywood, all of a sudden, they 2713 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:09.520 were like, yep, we gotta start arming, we gotta start 2714 02:12:09.560 --> 02:12:11.520 getting guard dogs, you know, this and that, and you 2715 02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:13.239 know it's like, well. 2716 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:21.159 It wasn't but the forefront of that, right, I'm cind now, 2717 02:12:21.199 --> 02:12:24.039 go ahead. I was just saying, look, I'm making those statements, right, 2718 02:12:24.840 --> 02:12:30.199 steph McQueen Peter yep, yep. Yeah, you mean the guy 2719 02:12:30.319 --> 02:12:32.760 that was clearly in some weird sexual relations with cocaine 2720 02:12:32.760 --> 02:12:36.600 Bob and his wife Ally mcgrall. That's Stephen queen, yep. 2721 02:12:36.680 --> 02:12:39.680 And that at one point there was consideration of having 2722 02:12:40.079 --> 02:12:41.039 McQueen killed. 2723 02:12:42.520 --> 02:12:44.680 I have no doubt. You know what's funny he also 2724 02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:46.720 hails from the same region in West Virginia as Philip 2725 02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:49.199 van Atter and right across the river from Charles Manson. 2726 02:12:49.479 --> 02:12:55.000 Strangely enough, that's for those I know that because I 2727 02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:58.920 also got McQueen's of my family. In fact, i'm i'm 2728 02:12:59.359 --> 02:13:02.199 we call herself my second grid grandmother dropped the mic 2729 02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:04.239 and just went with Queen. But it's the same family there, 2730 02:13:04.239 --> 02:13:06.680 and they all held from that region of Appalachia. That's 2731 02:13:06.680 --> 02:13:09.560 what I'm saying. There's a lot of weird, weird stuff 2732 02:13:09.640 --> 02:13:12.520 there within all these these folks going back to that 2733 02:13:12.840 --> 02:13:16.560 specific area of Appalachia. It seems like it seems like 2734 02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:19.239 possibly in order dispute. But nonetheless that is a it's 2735 02:13:19.279 --> 02:13:21.640 not epicenter of activity feeling. When we're going back to 2736 02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:25.439 the full house stuff and cocaine Bob and Jody Sweet 2737 02:13:25.479 --> 02:13:27.039 and so when I see Jodie Sweet and out there 2738 02:13:27.079 --> 02:13:44.840 doing this stuff, you know, when I see that stuff 2739 02:13:44.920 --> 02:13:47.680 and I see, uh, you know, the Jeff Franklin purchased 2740 02:13:47.680 --> 02:13:50.840 in the Cla Drive property and letting clearly it's not 2741 02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:52.159 really a change of you know, it's a change of 2742 02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:54.680 ownership and you know, the physical structure. But you know, 2743 02:13:55.000 --> 02:13:57.159 again Marilyn Manson was living there before and he's living 2744 02:13:57.159 --> 02:13:59.479 there again, so what changed? You know? Then I see, uh, 2745 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:02.560 you know the Full House one, if you recall, I mean, 2746 02:14:02.680 --> 02:14:04.479 we're sounds like we're the same age as a fella. 2747 02:14:04.479 --> 02:14:06.680 I believe we've discussed this before as well, that you know, 2748 02:14:06.760 --> 02:14:08.600 we're rough with the same age, the same as Nick is. 2749 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:11.840 We're all approximately the same age. Y'all. Remember Full House? 2750 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:13.880 You know, growing up there was the Beach Boys were 2751 02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:15.479 prominently on that show. It seemed like that was a 2752 02:14:15.880 --> 02:14:18.760 kind of a theme, right you know Charles Manson's friend, 2753 02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:19.479 the Beach Boys. 2754 02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:24.119 Yeah, Stamos drum for them too, Like he was in there. 2755 02:14:26.279 --> 02:14:28.239 You mean the one you mean the video of the 2756 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:35.119 song written by Terry Melcher friend, he was co writer 2757 02:14:35.239 --> 02:14:37.079 of co Coming along with the Wilson Boys. You know, 2758 02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:42.279 Charles Manson's friends. You know that's crazy. You know the 2759 02:14:42.359 --> 02:14:45.560 guy that lived at the Yellow Drive, right, you know? 2760 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.199 And then and then I see all these fellows with 2761 02:14:47.319 --> 02:14:50.560 Cocaine Bob over the years. He's really chumming, like hugging 2762 02:14:50.560 --> 02:14:52.319 around that Full House cast a lot. I'll tell you 2763 02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:58.399 this much that's crazy. There he is with these Here 2764 02:14:58.399 --> 02:15:05.039 he is with these fellas. So you know, when I 2765 02:15:05.119 --> 02:15:07.680 see these things relative to the whole narrative of Elvis, 2766 02:15:07.720 --> 02:15:11.319 the yellow drive of the Manson family, nonetheless, cocaine Bob, 2767 02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:14.079 you know, I see Jody Sweeten out there, I'm like, 2768 02:15:14.159 --> 02:15:16.439 you know, process, people got a process, Phil, They got 2769 02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:17.279 to create chaos. 2770 02:15:18.560 --> 02:15:20.279 Jody Sweeten used to have a hell of a drug 2771 02:15:20.359 --> 02:15:23.680 habit too. I think she was like youth, Yeah, big 2772 02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:24.279 meth addict. 2773 02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:26.960 I think something like that. Yeah, don't you get a 2774 02:15:27.000 --> 02:15:28.760 whole new teeth and stuff and everything? Right, she got 2775 02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:31.439 a whole new grill. Right, that's how bad it got. Right. 2776 02:15:32.840 --> 02:15:35.000 And two of the things, I still think saget step 2777 02:15:35.239 --> 02:15:36.680 is very very weird. 2778 02:15:37.079 --> 02:15:40.720 And uh, I think Saget's life is very weird. 2779 02:15:40.760 --> 02:15:45.720 Sir well, yeah, and then what was it Franklin? Franklin 2780 02:15:45.800 --> 02:15:49.520 got me tooed off? The Fuller House off? The spinoff? 2781 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:50.960 Is that? 2782 02:15:51.439 --> 02:15:55.000 Is that a power move within the cult system? Possibly? 2783 02:15:55.039 --> 02:15:58.079 I mean they said inappropriate behavior, which is a very 2784 02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:02.760 wide spectrum. Are we talking Harvey Weinstein inappropriate? We're talking 2785 02:16:02.840 --> 02:16:06.039 Joss Whedon or are we talking like Jeffrey tamboor what 2786 02:16:06.239 --> 02:16:10.520 like what exactly the special about Are you just an 2787 02:16:10.520 --> 02:16:13.600 asshole or are you just someone who like has inappropriate contact? 2788 02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:19.319 I said, that's, you know, whatever, whatever happened to Dave Coolier. 2789 02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:26.279 Cancer cancer. I know that he knows he's alive, but 2790 02:16:26.560 --> 02:16:29.560 if we're talking inappropriate type about when did he start 2791 02:16:29.600 --> 02:16:30.640 seeing alanas more many? 2792 02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.559 He's Canadian? Has too many baron calls, lodges right here, 2793 02:16:34.399 --> 02:16:35.920 you know, like Chris Farley, didn't. 2794 02:16:39.159 --> 02:16:43.239 She she wrote, she wrote the the song you ought 2795 02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:49.239 to Know that's about Dave Coolier no ship because he 2796 02:16:49.520 --> 02:16:51.799 he was so a wealth of KnowledgeR. I had no 2797 02:16:51.879 --> 02:16:56.360 idea that Nickelodeon. So Nickelodeon Dave Coolier had a show. 2798 02:16:57.000 --> 02:16:59.719 Alanis Morrissett was on you can't do that on television 2799 02:16:59.799 --> 02:17:00.680 for like about a year. 2800 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:03.479 Well yeah, she's like, how disgusting is that show? In 2801 02:17:03.559 --> 02:17:05.719 hindsight of I may uh. 2802 02:17:07.879 --> 02:17:11.399 The Nickelodeon legacy. I mean people think it started their dan. 2803 02:17:12.239 --> 02:17:17.159 They're dropping, they're dropping you over all these kids town. Dude, 2804 02:17:17.159 --> 02:17:18.680 it's like bou cocky festive sorts. 2805 02:17:19.879 --> 02:17:21.159 See if you go back and look at some of 2806 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:27.280 that ship and you're like, yo, yeah, yep, it's uh. 2807 02:17:27.600 --> 02:17:29.920 I'm creeping out, thin crypt out thinking about it, you know, 2808 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:30.319 I mean. 2809 02:17:31.520 --> 02:17:33.719 Well, and that's what like I just watched what was it? 2810 02:17:33.959 --> 02:17:36.760 It was only through another podcast, uh like video the 2811 02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:39.559 quiet on the set when they were talking about Dan Schneider, 2812 02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:43.159 and it was like, yeah, no, I guarantee he wasn't 2813 02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:45.280 the only one. But I said, yeah, it don't look good. 2814 02:17:45.319 --> 02:17:47.239 I mean, you see the areonic grande stop. 2815 02:17:47.319 --> 02:17:50.639 I had already read all them kids are a mess. Right, 2816 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:52.879 here's my problem with the Dan Schneider tale. I meant, 2817 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:56.079 he's obviously a full blown creepster. But that whole narrative 2818 02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:59.559 relative to Amanda Mindes deters everybody from a very very 2819 02:17:59.600 --> 02:18:03.000 important factor than the downturn and disaster that became Amanda 2820 02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:05.559 Binds life. And that is for many years she was 2821 02:18:05.719 --> 02:18:09.959 very close friends, many photographs, tabloids, et cetera, with a 2822 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:11.959 fellow by the name of J. J. Bryan. They were 2823 02:18:12.000 --> 02:18:14.879 inseparable for about four and a half years. He was 2824 02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:19.479 the leader of a neo process Church offshoot cult known 2825 02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:23.479 as Victorianism, and he started that after he worked as 2826 02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:27.799 the assistant for Major General retired Air Force Brent Scowcroft, 2827 02:18:27.879 --> 02:18:32.280 the right hand man of Henry Kissinger, so he went 2828 02:18:32.360 --> 02:18:35.559 from Scowcroft was also National Security advisor as well. So 2829 02:18:35.799 --> 02:18:40.360 this dude goes from assistant and Gerald Ford so multiple times, 2830 02:18:40.399 --> 02:18:43.719 much like as pal Kissinger multiple times. So this dude 2831 02:18:43.799 --> 02:18:46.280 goes from being stag Crass's assistant to being I'm gonna 2832 02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:49.959 go start this process church offshoot, and then I'm gonna 2833 02:18:49.959 --> 02:18:52.319 go be really good friends with Amanda Bines. I'm not 2834 02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:54.200 gonna say he was controlling her, but you look at 2835 02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:57.440 the photographs, you decide you look at it. I'm not 2836 02:18:57.479 --> 02:18:59.799 saying you feel I'm saying, folks of the Innerwebsite, don't 2837 02:19:00.200 --> 02:19:02.079 my word for Just go look at these photos. You'd 2838 02:19:02.120 --> 02:19:04.959 make your own decisions. And you know, I'm just saying 2839 02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:07.760 Dan Schnighter obviously not good for Amanda Bynes' downturn. But 2840 02:19:08.159 --> 02:19:10.559 let's also you know, look at some other factors I 2841 02:19:10.600 --> 02:19:13.840 may have contributed, you know, JJ Bryn and and you know, 2842 02:19:14.280 --> 02:19:17.239 perhaps she was a member of this neo process moving 2843 02:19:17.319 --> 02:19:19.360 like them next to them girls in the Smallville show. 2844 02:19:19.479 --> 02:19:23.079 Right, Well, you know what there was just to at 2845 02:19:23.120 --> 02:19:26.479 a point there there's something with certain these kid kid actors. 2846 02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:29.159 And then there was one, uh, there was an actor 2847 02:19:29.680 --> 02:19:32.920 Andrew Keegan, who was in Ten Things I Hate About You. 2848 02:19:33.159 --> 02:19:36.000 He was in I think talking about that weird cold 2849 02:19:36.040 --> 02:19:39.200 he made out there for Santa Monica. Yep, oh shit, 2850 02:19:39.319 --> 02:19:40.600 please do I love this story. 2851 02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:42.920 I mean, I forget what the cult's name was, but 2852 02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:45.280 I just remember seeing him. I'm like, yeah, that's right, 2853 02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:46.600 but that's a great example. 2854 02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:48.319 He was like like an A lister, but he was 2855 02:19:48.399 --> 02:19:50.799 his main like kind of heart prob character of Ten 2856 02:19:50.840 --> 02:19:52.760 Things I Hate About You. He did some other stuff, right, 2857 02:19:53.399 --> 02:19:53.879 He was in a. 2858 02:19:54.680 --> 02:19:56.440 Like a modern art He was in another movie with 2859 02:19:56.520 --> 02:19:59.000 Julia Stiles and was called oh and it was like 2860 02:19:59.079 --> 02:20:02.280 a fellow modern day a fellow and what's the name 2861 02:20:02.360 --> 02:20:03.639 Makai Piffer Josh. 2862 02:20:04.840 --> 02:20:06.920 I totally forgot about this, dude. I'm glad you brought 2863 02:20:06.959 --> 02:20:11.719 this up. I like this story. Andrew Keagan, right, yep, yeah, 2864 02:20:11.799 --> 02:20:14.520 you'll recognize his face. Nick you may you mean, like 2865 02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:17.079 his name is not notable, but he was in enough ship. 2866 02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:18.079 You're like, oh that dude. 2867 02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:19.040 Yep. 2868 02:20:20.079 --> 02:20:21.680 I was about to say, he's got to have a Wikipedia, 2869 02:20:21.719 --> 02:20:23.239 the source of all information on the interwece. 2870 02:20:23.440 --> 02:20:25.680 He does sounds familiar thing. 2871 02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:28.120 Yeah, I can't think of the other movies he was. 2872 02:20:28.200 --> 02:20:30.840 He definitely did some of those nineties teen films, right, 2873 02:20:30.920 --> 02:20:36.239 he was a nineties teen guy. This guy, I mean, 2874 02:20:36.280 --> 02:20:38.399 now it looks like shit, but yeah, I mean you see, 2875 02:20:39.000 --> 02:20:43.280 cocane's a hell of a drug. Films a drug. So 2876 02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:46.520 is Jesus. Apparently this guy's got his own Like again, 2877 02:20:46.600 --> 02:20:48.040 when I say Jesus, I mean he's got his own 2878 02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:50.600 version of I think he's Jesus, kind of like Jared 2879 02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:52.200 Leto's Jesus, you know what I mean, that kind of 2880 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:54.680 thing he's got that. That's the dynamic of his cult, 2881 02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:56.760 as I recall, you know, Jared Lee's Leado's got his 2882 02:20:56.879 --> 02:20:59.920 Jesus cult like where he's Jesus. My understanding, that's the 2883 02:21:00.120 --> 02:21:04.719 deal here with this guys as well. I don't know, 2884 02:21:05.719 --> 02:21:07.760 I don't know if he's explicitly Jesus, but here's the 2885 02:21:07.799 --> 02:21:09.319 white you know what I mean, he's doing the whole 2886 02:21:09.920 --> 02:21:11.239 Son of God routine. Right. 2887 02:21:11.959 --> 02:21:12.159 Yeah. 2888 02:21:12.959 --> 02:21:15.200 I see Seventh Heaven on there, and that had a 2889 02:21:16.680 --> 02:21:19.440 camp nowhere. That's what I was thinking of Camp nowhere. 2890 02:21:20.760 --> 02:21:25.040 Christopher Lloyd, Yeah, John Jonathan Jackson, Jessica Alba. Right, we 2891 02:21:25.120 --> 02:21:26.479 got a lot of stars in this one. They were 2892 02:21:26.600 --> 02:21:33.840 early stars, right, anyway, So he's cult. That was very interesting. 2893 02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:37.719 So after Hollywood right, which was early two thousands, I 2894 02:21:37.760 --> 02:21:40.879 think he leaves right. Oh ship he was a Sabrina 2895 02:21:40.959 --> 02:21:44.559 the Teenage Witch Show. Dude, Get out of Time, Joan Hart. Dude, 2896 02:21:44.600 --> 02:21:47.159 he did a full House episode Holy Smokes. 2897 02:21:49.120 --> 02:21:51.479 Love Love in Christopher Jodie Sweeten's character. 2898 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:54.120 Dude, he was an Independence Day dude. I don't know 2899 02:21:54.239 --> 02:21:56.399 which one that was, Bill Paxton or Bill Pullman, whichever 2900 02:21:56.440 --> 02:21:57.600 one was. They did a great job. 2901 02:22:00.120 --> 02:22:02.559 Hey, Spaceballs Too is coming out. That's all I gotta say. 2902 02:22:05.639 --> 02:22:07.360 Dude, moranaz is coming out of retirement. 2903 02:22:07.799 --> 02:22:09.879 Yep, Rick Moranis is coming out of retirement. 2904 02:22:11.479 --> 02:22:13.319 Yeah, who's making the movie? 2905 02:22:16.680 --> 02:22:21.200 Yeah? John Candy is surprising as role as Bar. I 2906 02:22:21.280 --> 02:22:30.319 am making that up. B it's like that to three 2907 02:22:30.399 --> 02:22:35.760 D hologram. No, I mean, I mean it's gonna not 2908 02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:37.559 gonna be quite the same without Bar. But I mean, 2909 02:22:38.719 --> 02:22:41.920 you know, don't be surprised they want to put Mike. 2910 02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:43.680 I mean I just saw I think what's his name 2911 02:22:43.760 --> 02:22:47.280 is involved. I think Josh gadd is involved with that. Well, 2912 02:22:47.440 --> 02:22:49.159 I just I just got a little I got a 2913 02:22:49.159 --> 02:22:55.799 little soured on it. Phil he wrote it is he 2914 02:22:55.840 --> 02:22:58.079 gonna I know he was involved in writing the screenplay, 2915 02:22:58.120 --> 02:22:59.280 but is he is he acting in it? 2916 02:22:59.280 --> 02:23:01.920 Because he's not gonna act, I wouldn't be surprised if 2917 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:02.719 he wants a bad in. 2918 02:23:03.399 --> 02:23:05.680 That's what I'm pretty surprised. That's what I'm afraid of. 2919 02:23:08.319 --> 02:23:11.680 The I you know, strangely enough, here, Wikipedia, the source 2920 02:23:11.719 --> 02:23:14.719 of all information on the interwebs, does not list Andrew 2921 02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:17.280 Keegan's cult. So let me look that up from us here. 2922 02:23:18.639 --> 02:23:20.399 Oh well, that's why because it's not a cult, it 2923 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:22.559 says right here, Phil, it's not a cult. It says 2924 02:23:22.559 --> 02:23:25.799 it's community center. So that's when my that's where I aired, right, 2925 02:23:25.920 --> 02:23:29.399 I was searching for cold. It's a community center. It's 2926 02:23:29.440 --> 02:23:32.120 called Full Circle, right, And again it's it's very jart. 2927 02:23:32.239 --> 02:23:35.360 It's like looking at the you know, he bought this 2928 02:23:35.399 --> 02:23:39.120 place round the Santa Monica you know boardwalk, right or 2929 02:23:39.200 --> 02:23:41.280 is the Venice Beach that told me look here? Anyway, 2930 02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:42.600 it's right in the mix of like, you know, the 2931 02:23:42.680 --> 02:23:44.600 old school new aged thing. I think this is actually, 2932 02:23:44.799 --> 02:23:47.280 if I remember correctly, at one point in time years ago, 2933 02:23:47.399 --> 02:23:49.959 served as some new age cult in its previous iteration 2934 02:23:50.040 --> 02:23:54.239 of this building. What I'm saying is it's almost like 2935 02:23:54.319 --> 02:23:56.239 they're one folds up and they're like, well, we got 2936 02:23:56.360 --> 02:23:58.159 to bring in find me a new love Rand actor. 2937 02:23:58.239 --> 02:23:59.799 He was a b rate actor from the nineties. Weve 2938 02:24:00.479 --> 02:24:02.200 I got a new job for you. You're Jesus in 2939 02:24:02.239 --> 02:24:05.440 this new colt on Santa Monica Boulevard. It's look, but 2940 02:24:05.559 --> 02:24:07.680 it's a paying gig. I don't give a ship of 2941 02:24:07.719 --> 02:24:10.200 your friend. Jodie Sweeten's got the Riot detail. You're getting 2942 02:24:10.200 --> 02:24:12.680 the Jesus detail. That's kind of the way I look 2943 02:24:12.719 --> 02:24:12.920 at it. 2944 02:24:14.079 --> 02:24:16.719 Starring Roll, you don't have to worry about being titlecast anymore. 2945 02:24:17.159 --> 02:24:19.600 Yeah, look, dude, royalties of this it's gonna be endless 2946 02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:21.600 for you. But we're just gonna keep cutting your check. 2947 02:24:22.159 --> 02:24:24.399 I mean, you got to check for five dollars every 2948 02:24:24.440 --> 02:24:26.319 week for ten things I had about you. Eventually it's 2949 02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:26.920 gonna dry up. 2950 02:24:27.479 --> 02:24:29.760 Yeah, yeah, no one, No one likes that ship anymore. 2951 02:24:29.840 --> 02:24:32.000 Heath Ledgerd don't even wantch it. None even knows the 2952 02:24:32.079 --> 02:24:34.159 name of Heath Ledgerd anymore. Sadly, But see what, I 2953 02:24:34.200 --> 02:24:36.040 didn't like him. He's a good actor, but you know 2954 02:24:36.079 --> 02:24:38.239 what I mean. But like, there's no way they're they're 2955 02:24:38.280 --> 02:24:40.040 really playing that ship. There's so much there's not much 2956 02:24:40.040 --> 02:24:41.760 play out of that stuff. So this this guy's looking 2957 02:24:41.799 --> 02:24:43.159 for work, you know, and I and I and I 2958 02:24:43.239 --> 02:24:45.719 don't say that in completely, you know, being a shithead 2959 02:24:45.719 --> 02:24:47.840 about it, but like you know, when Bill Cosby got 2960 02:24:47.879 --> 02:24:50.920 busted for all the jell O pudding rapes, he his 2961 02:24:51.239 --> 02:24:53.280 you know, the cast of that show was living off 2962 02:24:53.360 --> 02:24:56.319 of their royalties. They actually were getting royalty. So the 2963 02:24:56.440 --> 02:24:58.799 fellow that played his son in law, Alvin or Elvin 2964 02:24:58.920 --> 02:24:59.120 or some. 2965 02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:02.120 Some some or that it was working at the supermarket. 2966 02:25:02.600 --> 02:25:04.520 There you go, he started working at Trader Joe's. But 2967 02:25:04.760 --> 02:25:06.600 so you know, these things happen. I don't disrespect him 2968 02:25:06.600 --> 02:25:08.079 man for him to do that. What I'm saying is, 2969 02:25:08.760 --> 02:25:11.040 you know, the royalties right up, because suddenly everyone's like, 2970 02:25:11.079 --> 02:25:13.719 well we can't do Aaron Nobil raper shows, so we 2971 02:25:13.920 --> 02:25:15.200 you know, we got to get fund a job. But 2972 02:25:15.399 --> 02:25:17.600 so there is an element to these these actors and 2973 02:25:17.760 --> 02:25:20.200 lack of royalties. They may they may find that they're 2974 02:25:20.280 --> 02:25:23.680 living off of them that suddenly no longer exists. Yeah, 2975 02:25:24.120 --> 02:25:26.600 for various reasons, you know what I mean, not necessarily 2976 02:25:26.639 --> 02:25:29.280 the rapers, but well you gotta be you. 2977 02:25:29.479 --> 02:25:31.719 Almost have to be like a united front on certain 2978 02:25:31.719 --> 02:25:33.520 of these things, like what was it friends used to 2979 02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:39.000 negotiate together for everything? And then Seinfeld when when the 2980 02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:42.799 when Julia, Louis Dreyfus, Jason Alexander, Michael Richards heard about 2981 02:25:42.840 --> 02:25:47.920 the deal that Larry David and Seinfeld cut for residuals 2982 02:25:48.079 --> 02:25:50.840 and also DVD sales, They're like, we're getting a cut 2983 02:25:51.040 --> 02:25:55.079 or we're never doing anything further for the show right now. 2984 02:25:55.120 --> 02:25:57.040 It's a strong move. It's a power move. I like it. 2985 02:25:57.159 --> 02:25:59.760 I respect that. Do you remember this film? I love 2986 02:25:59.799 --> 02:26:02.840 the film. When I was a teenager, heard of it, 2987 02:26:02.959 --> 02:26:06.040 never seen it. Oh man, it's a mind it's a 2988 02:26:06.159 --> 02:26:11.959 mind fuck. Well and it may have been as a 2989 02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:14.360 result of this fucking movie. Dude. I'm not making that up. Dude, 2990 02:26:14.360 --> 02:26:18.559 this is a mind fuck. I mean, what's for you? 2991 02:26:19.280 --> 02:26:23.559 Do you remember this? Oh man? I don't want I 2992 02:26:23.559 --> 02:26:25.479 don't want to ruin your l's evening or cause any 2993 02:26:25.600 --> 02:26:28.680 kind of disturbing thoughts. But this is a fucking weird movie, dude. 2994 02:26:31.559 --> 02:26:33.879 I liked it it just because it was you know, 2995 02:26:35.000 --> 02:26:38.040 it's a it's a thought provoking film, and I like 2996 02:26:38.159 --> 02:26:40.879 things that mess with reality and timelines. Like this, but 2997 02:26:42.040 --> 02:26:42.799 it's fucked up. 2998 02:26:42.879 --> 02:26:43.040 Man. 2999 02:26:44.520 --> 02:26:46.280 Let me just read a synopsis for you, because I'm 3000 02:26:46.280 --> 02:26:48.959 obviously not doing it any justice. But what what what? 3001 02:26:49.120 --> 02:26:50.920 What caused this coming? I like the comment, I'm just 3002 02:26:50.959 --> 02:26:51.840 curious what caused this. 3003 02:26:53.600 --> 02:26:53.799 It was? 3004 02:26:54.959 --> 02:26:56.680 I don't know. Let me let me read this for you. 3005 02:26:57.079 --> 02:27:00.600 After a car accident killed his mother and permanently his leg, 3006 02:27:01.120 --> 02:27:06.120 teenager Michael Brower Edward prolong lives an isolated existence in 3007 02:27:06.280 --> 02:27:10.440 his absent father's house. He spends his spare time watching 3008 02:27:10.479 --> 02:27:13.520 his neighbor and crush Kimberly so that you know the 3009 02:27:13.639 --> 02:27:17.479 kind of that, you know, the rear window situation, almost 3010 02:27:17.520 --> 02:27:22.239 like a Hitchcock wave situation, right, so you know, not directly, 3011 02:27:22.280 --> 02:27:24.440 but it's you know, they're paying homage to that aspect. 3012 02:27:24.520 --> 02:27:27.639 In this horror film a Horror Films and Video Games plan, 3013 02:27:27.840 --> 02:27:30.719 Michael's only friend is a similar minded misfit named Kyle. 3014 02:27:31.239 --> 02:27:33.600 They are members of the school's horror club, which draws 3015 02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:36.319 the principal's ire. After Kyle tells him about a new 3016 02:27:36.600 --> 02:27:40.000 ultra realistic game called Brain Scan, Michael mail orders the 3017 02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:43.639 first disc. So this is this is nineteen ninety four, right, 3018 02:27:43.760 --> 02:27:46.319 so this is literally like I mean, this is right 3019 02:27:46.360 --> 02:27:49.239 when they put some CDs and some games on a CD, right, like, 3020 02:27:49.319 --> 02:27:53.319 this is a brand new shit for computers. So, you know, 3021 02:27:53.440 --> 02:27:56.440 he he gets the the this is a horrible synopsis 3022 02:27:56.440 --> 02:27:58.079 of running me on through, but so I'll give you 3023 02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:00.520 the better one. So he put it's the disc in 3024 02:28:00.559 --> 02:28:02.200 it plays the game, and it suddenly takes him into 3025 02:28:02.200 --> 02:28:05.079 an alternate reality. But he doesn't realize spoiler alert from 3026 02:28:05.079 --> 02:28:09.159 the nineteen ninety four film Folks. He doesn't. He doesn't 3027 02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.559 realize it obviously, but he's spun into an alternate reality 3028 02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:14.360 that he wakes up into, you know, after playing this game. Right, 3029 02:28:14.479 --> 02:28:16.600 So he puts the game and starts playing, and then 3030 02:28:16.719 --> 02:28:19.319 you know, see some like almost like hypnotic imagery, right, 3031 02:28:19.719 --> 02:28:21.559 And the next thing he knows, he's falling asleep and 3032 02:28:21.639 --> 02:28:23.520 he wakes up and he's in a again. He doesn't 3033 02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:26.479 realize it. It's a shifted reality and it's a fucking 3034 02:28:26.879 --> 02:28:29.040 you know, hellscape reality kind of deal, right, you know 3035 02:28:29.079 --> 02:28:31.559 what I mean, And it's it's being dictated by this 3036 02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:34.639 character he meets in the game, and it's eventually very 3037 02:28:34.680 --> 02:28:37.200 haunting and et cetera, et cetera. But so it's not 3038 02:28:37.399 --> 02:28:39.600 just the rare window aspects. They mashed together some very 3039 02:28:39.639 --> 02:28:44.440 interesting horror, you know, story aspects. But I recommend the film. 3040 02:28:44.479 --> 02:28:46.920 But just you know, clari away your evening. Maybe it's 3041 02:28:46.959 --> 02:28:49.479 just gonna maybe watching the afternoon, you know, it's I 3042 02:28:49.559 --> 02:28:51.079 just remember watching it for the first time. It's not 3043 02:28:51.159 --> 02:28:52.879 like I go had nightmares. I remember being up like 3044 02:28:53.239 --> 02:28:56.200 holy fuck. That was like, you know, like for example, 3045 02:28:56.239 --> 02:28:58.399 I went and saw the movie Inception at the theater, 3046 02:28:58.879 --> 02:29:00.479 and then I walked out of the theater walk right 3047 02:29:00.520 --> 02:29:02.559 back against all the inception again because I was like, 3048 02:29:02.600 --> 02:29:06.959 what the funk just happened? You know what I mean, 3049 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:08.760 had one of those kind effects to you, you know 3050 02:29:08.799 --> 02:29:12.840 what I mean. So it was a good film, I mean, 3051 02:29:13.000 --> 02:29:15.360 and right, yeah, you're right right after that, you know, 3052 02:29:15.520 --> 02:29:18.239 Edward Edward Furlong looks like an old lesbian now like 3053 02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:20.520 a middle aged Lesbion, you know, he's not aged. 3054 02:29:20.600 --> 02:29:24.399 Well yeah, he kind of like Axl Rose to a Yeah. 3055 02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:27.200 Yeah, are they twins because cocaine's a hell of a 3056 02:29:27.280 --> 02:29:28.440 drug apparently. 3057 02:29:28.799 --> 02:29:30.719 Well have you seen the picture of like someone was 3058 02:29:30.760 --> 02:29:34.559 like when did Axl Rose turn into Mama for Telly 3059 02:29:34.760 --> 02:29:35.760 from the Goonies? 3060 02:29:40.719 --> 02:29:42.879 Yeah, Mickey Rourke and Axle Rose. 3061 02:29:42.959 --> 02:29:45.920 Yeah, they're rough Man Mickey Rourck holy Ship. 3062 02:29:46.159 --> 02:29:47.920 Yeah. Have you seen that photo with those two together. 3063 02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:49.360 They look like an old lesbian couple. 3064 02:29:49.920 --> 02:29:54.120 Yeah, they definitely do. You know. 3065 02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:55.840 They have a couple of cats. They knit and they 3066 02:29:55.879 --> 02:29:58.040 knit some spiders together on the porch, you know, you 3067 02:29:58.079 --> 02:29:59.399 know that's what they look like, you know what I mean. 3068 02:30:00.040 --> 02:30:02.920 Yeah, they showed a picture. I think it was like 3069 02:30:02.959 --> 02:30:07.000 a horror convention and it was like, uh, people from 3070 02:30:07.079 --> 02:30:10.040 Terminators like Robert Patrick, you know T two from the 3071 02:30:10.360 --> 02:30:11.920 second the T one thousand from T. 3072 02:30:12.040 --> 02:30:14.600 Two kind of the height of his career, right, Yeah, 3073 02:30:15.879 --> 02:30:17.280 I don't know, he's he's he's. 3074 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:18.280 Been in a lot of I mean, he was in 3075 02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:20.760 Sons of Anarchy and like he's been, he's been around. 3076 02:30:21.520 --> 02:30:23.120 That was my nice way I'm saying he's a terrible 3077 02:30:24.040 --> 02:30:24.719 I've seen around. 3078 02:30:24.799 --> 02:30:26.000 Yes, Uh. 3079 02:30:26.239 --> 02:30:28.399 And his brother was in the group Filter that he 3080 02:30:28.520 --> 02:30:29.680 was the lead singer Filter. 3081 02:30:30.360 --> 02:30:38.879 That's right, and but right who was it wasn't that 3082 02:30:38.959 --> 02:30:41.360 their their single filter? Hey Man Knight shot. 3083 02:30:42.200 --> 02:30:45.079 Shot Yep, yep, that was that? Because Richard Patrick, the 3084 02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:47.559 brother was also I think in nine inch Nails. I 3085 02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:49.280 think at one point or at least I know he 3086 02:30:49.600 --> 02:30:51.079 was connected with Trent Reznor. 3087 02:30:51.559 --> 02:30:53.719 But yeah, we did not know that. I did not 3088 02:30:53.959 --> 02:30:55.040 know that. That's interesting. 3089 02:30:56.959 --> 02:30:59.920 There's a picture he was Edward for a long. Lance Hendrickson, 3090 02:31:00.079 --> 02:31:02.239 who was in the First Terminator. It was also when 3091 02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:04.760 Aliens and tons of other ship, who's like eighty something 3092 02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:09.520 years old now, Michael bim who was uh Kyle Reese from. 3093 02:31:09.520 --> 02:31:11.360 Dude, he was a big star like that. He had 3094 02:31:11.360 --> 02:31:14.280 a lot of hopes for him. He was an alien too, right, Yep, he. 3095 02:31:14.319 --> 02:31:16.719 Was an alien. He was an Aliens with Lance Henderson 3096 02:31:16.879 --> 02:31:17.440 and uh. 3097 02:31:17.600 --> 02:31:20.680 He was in uh Tombstone, you know he was. He 3098 02:31:20.959 --> 02:31:22.840 was like, I'm not gonna be your huckleberry. 3099 02:31:23.520 --> 02:31:26.159 Yeah. And uh he's the one who said later on 3100 02:31:26.360 --> 02:31:29.639 about Valcolmer is like, like I wish I'd worked with him. 3101 02:31:29.680 --> 02:31:32.399 I knew Doc Holliday, you know, like I guess Valcolmer 3102 02:31:32.520 --> 02:31:34.840 was in totally Ship. Oh yeah, holy shit. 3103 02:31:34.959 --> 02:31:37.159 I mean they look so they're just a couple. They're 3104 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:41.479 just an old age and lesbian couples. Big well, look 3105 02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:43.280 how look at the cocaine does to these fellows. I 3106 02:31:43.319 --> 02:31:44.760 mean that's a fucking hell of a drug. 3107 02:31:47.200 --> 02:31:55.520 Oh gosh, yeah, rough, Well, another Cocaine Bob connection, who 3108 02:31:55.600 --> 02:31:56.559 was one of the good buddies. 3109 02:31:56.959 --> 02:32:01.520 Slash, you ain't kidding the next door neighbors. You ain't kidding, sider. 3110 02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:02.200 They were real tight. 3111 02:32:02.879 --> 02:32:06.159 And he put in Kid Notorious, the Comedy Central show 3112 02:32:06.239 --> 02:32:08.040 that got bounced after a season. 3113 02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:11.840 Now, there's lots of photos with him. Like if I 3114 02:32:12.040 --> 02:32:14.440 was to give you an analysis of all the photographs 3115 02:32:14.479 --> 02:32:16.040 I've looked at, and I looked at a lot of 3116 02:32:16.120 --> 02:32:19.360 Cocaine Bob, you know, from various events and whatnot. I'll 3117 02:32:19.360 --> 02:32:21.719 tell you two things. Him and Slash are real tight. 3118 02:32:21.799 --> 02:32:24.120 And he liked to kiss Brett Rattner. Him and Brett 3119 02:32:24.159 --> 02:32:26.719 Ratner liked to smooch. They smooched a lot, and boys 3120 02:32:26.719 --> 02:32:32.440 were smooching everywhere another another me too, guy, Brett Ratner. Well, 3121 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.639 he's also the partner long term business partner in production. 3122 02:32:35.920 --> 02:32:38.479 Is a co owner of the production company with Steve 3123 02:32:38.600 --> 02:32:42.079 minuchein you know, skulling bonesman and Treasury secret Chary in 3124 02:32:42.079 --> 02:32:45.799 the first Trump administration. It's a weird per center of 3125 02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:49.360 activity when you're smooching on Steve Manuchin's business partner. Every buddy, 3126 02:32:49.360 --> 02:32:50.559 I don't know what's going on in life, but it's 3127 02:32:50.600 --> 02:32:54.200 a weird per center of activity. Cocaine Bob is always 3128 02:32:54.239 --> 02:32:55.000 at it though, right. 3129 02:32:56.639 --> 02:32:58.639 Said, even dead, he's still at it. 3130 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:01.440 Even in death. He's still even in death. He's got 3131 02:33:01.479 --> 02:33:04.000 his minions, Graydon Carter or Barry Diller. You know these 3132 02:33:04.159 --> 02:33:06.879 these characters, they're out there doing the building. And I 3133 02:33:06.920 --> 02:33:11.840 would argue of old Cocaine Bob. Yeah, great partner. Is 3134 02:33:11.879 --> 02:33:15.559 that Vanity Fair? Uh he came from Vanity Fair. Yes, sir, 3135 02:33:15.600 --> 02:33:19.079 he's the one who's founded airmail and and and uh employees. 3136 02:33:19.120 --> 02:33:22.000 Howard bloom In regards to the Outaho for business. 3137 02:33:22.600 --> 02:33:24.680 Well, Vanity Fair had a guy I think it was 3138 02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:28.399 Ron Rosenbaum who wound up writing a book, a book 3139 02:33:28.559 --> 02:33:31.879 wrote an article about Danny Castelaro, trying to say that, 3140 02:33:32.120 --> 02:33:34.040 you know, he got obsessed with the case and then 3141 02:33:34.120 --> 02:33:37.840 killed himself. No shoot, yeah, he went back and then 3142 02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:40.120 said that he did the slashes on the wrist to 3143 02:33:40.239 --> 02:33:44.799 represent the octopus. It was a real reach, but not a. 3144 02:33:44.840 --> 02:33:57.360 Surprise real reach. It was a real reach. Yeah you're back, 3145 02:33:58.479 --> 02:34:01.079 Oh my back, my back back again. 3146 02:34:02.280 --> 02:34:04.319 Well that's may be a good time to call it 3147 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:06.120 in your folks, bring us in for lane and focus 3148 02:34:06.159 --> 02:34:08.440 on your webs and gents. I appreciate your time. Phil 3149 02:34:08.520 --> 02:34:10.520 I'm obviously gonna tell you I'm gonna need to go 3150 02:34:10.559 --> 02:34:12.920 ahead and get a you know, after the show, you know, 3151 02:34:13.000 --> 02:34:15.680 in the near future. Get get get our calendars together 3152 02:34:15.799 --> 02:34:18.840 for a future appearance back here on Fridays, because I'm 3153 02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:20.479 not gonna lie you here again. I got nothing but 3154 02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:23.040 notes and details, and I enjoy every minute of these conversations. 3155 02:34:23.079 --> 02:34:24.879 And I greatly appreciate your time. 3156 02:34:25.520 --> 02:34:26.280 I appreciate it. 3157 02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:34.680 Did you freeze again? It's definitely, It's definitely time the rabbit. 3158 02:34:38.840 --> 02:34:44.520 Oh boy, gna hold silly old silly, my back, my back, 3159 02:34:44.799 --> 02:34:46.920 all right, get back, get back. If I if i'm if, 3160 02:34:46.959 --> 02:34:49.239 I may offer you some closing statements sacred you know, 3161 02:34:49.319 --> 02:34:51.040 by all means as many statements as you need to 3162 02:34:51.200 --> 02:34:53.159 anything you want to wrap up tonight, or any statements 3163 02:34:53.159 --> 02:34:56.159 you like to make their Philkas a hell of the drug. 3164 02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:01.680 Cocaine is a hell of a drug, very accurate statement, 3165 02:35:02.200 --> 02:35:06.239 very accurate statement, seriously, lots of great stuff, and any 3166 02:35:06.280 --> 02:35:09.319 any other closing statements for for anything you want to 3167 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:11.280 sum up and you put a book in on maybe 3168 02:35:12.399 --> 02:35:15.280 uh you know, just uh you want to recommend folks 3169 02:35:15.360 --> 02:35:17.639 check out maybe anything you're working on blog wise? Do 3170 02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:20.319 you know anything like that or Man. 3171 02:35:20.239 --> 02:35:23.799 I'm always I'm always reading something. But you know, right 3172 02:35:23.840 --> 02:35:28.159 now I think my next conspiracy anything book that I'm doing, 3173 02:35:28.239 --> 02:35:30.319 I was reading the book about Howard Hughes and I 3174 02:35:30.399 --> 02:35:31.319 know that's a big topic. 3175 02:35:31.360 --> 02:35:33.760 I know, Heidi, I know, I love it. 3176 02:35:34.719 --> 02:35:37.639 Yeah, And actually it just told her about a book 3177 02:35:37.760 --> 02:35:39.760 I was doing for a review. It's called The Mormon 3178 02:35:40.000 --> 02:35:42.959 the Mormon Mafia in Me about a guy who's suing 3179 02:35:43.959 --> 02:35:48.959 uh the LDS Church in regards to stealing his family's 3180 02:35:49.280 --> 02:35:51.879 fortune and disinheriting him out of two hundred and fifty 3181 02:35:51.920 --> 02:35:53.360 million dollars. What. 3182 02:35:53.559 --> 02:35:55.360 Well, what I'm hearing you say, sir, is the next 3183 02:35:55.399 --> 02:35:57.120 time you're here, HEDI will be here, will be discussing 3184 02:35:57.159 --> 02:35:58.200 some Mormon business as well. 3185 02:35:59.719 --> 02:36:00.440 Sounds good to me. 3186 02:36:01.000 --> 02:36:04.120 I'm excited. You're welcome to the time. But I don't 3187 02:36:04.159 --> 02:36:06.319 know that story. And I'm a form former. I'm an 3188 02:36:06.479 --> 02:36:09.360 x me myself, so this all sounds very intriguing to me. 3189 02:36:09.399 --> 02:36:11.639 And so are you doing a review on this on 3190 02:36:11.719 --> 02:36:12.040 your blog? 3191 02:36:12.159 --> 02:36:14.559 And is that is that the I actually reviewed it 3192 02:36:14.680 --> 02:36:18.760 for one of the review companies, and it's it's an 3193 02:36:18.799 --> 02:36:23.159 interesting case. Uh. Eliason is the guy's last name. His 3194 02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:27.079 name is Brett Brett Eliason E L I A s 3195 02:36:27.159 --> 02:36:29.120 O N. I did. I did reach out to Heidi 3196 02:36:29.120 --> 02:36:31.040 and let her now. She wasn't familiar with it either. 3197 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:34.200 But the guy's not only suing the ld S church 3198 02:36:34.239 --> 02:36:37.840 and the law firm that represented his family. Uh, he 3199 02:36:38.040 --> 02:36:42.040 also is brought in. I think he's sued the Justice 3200 02:36:42.079 --> 02:36:45.760 Department too, Like he's I mean, the accusations. 3201 02:36:45.200 --> 02:36:49.040 And everybody, everybody. Can you spell this name for me? 3202 02:36:49.159 --> 02:36:49.280 Is it? 3203 02:36:49.879 --> 02:36:51.440 H L I A S O N. 3204 02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:52.959 Yep, you got it. 3205 02:36:54.239 --> 02:36:57.239 He's not a former member of Pearl Jam, is he? No, 3206 02:36:59.040 --> 02:37:01.360 there's a former member Parl Jam by that precise same 3207 02:37:01.479 --> 02:37:04.399 name spelling, which. 3208 02:37:04.280 --> 02:37:05.959 Would be news to me because I know, I know 3209 02:37:06.000 --> 02:37:08.280 all the guys, the only only members of Pearl Jam 3210 02:37:08.360 --> 02:37:09.879 that's ever changed with the drummer. 3211 02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:17.200 The studio guy. Maybe that'd probably look yeah, well I'll 3212 02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:18.639 look in to see what the same It might be 3213 02:37:18.719 --> 02:37:20.479 weird of the same guy, right, that'd be really weird. 3214 02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:27.079 Right he was, Uh, I don't know. He he he 3215 02:37:27.239 --> 02:37:29.879 had some some maybe it was a studio, maybe it 3216 02:37:29.959 --> 02:37:32.239 was a you know, he had he had some product, 3217 02:37:32.239 --> 02:37:34.360 maybe a production aspect to it. He was connected a 3218 02:37:34.600 --> 02:37:37.319 long time, you know, associated Pearl Jam with a guy 3219 02:37:37.399 --> 02:37:40.879 by that name. So okay, yeah, he was in the 3220 02:37:40.920 --> 02:37:43.559 film Singles with Pearl Jam. Like I don't Rember, I 3221 02:37:43.959 --> 02:37:45.120 don't want to say he was, like I don't want 3222 02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:46.879 to call him the synthesizer of the cymbals guy, but 3223 02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:49.360 like he was something you know of that of that 3224 02:37:49.479 --> 02:37:53.479 ilk right, yeah, not a main guy, but maybe he 3225 02:37:53.799 --> 02:37:57.120 studio musician sessions. Yeah, something like that, you know something, 3226 02:37:57.200 --> 02:37:58.920 but you know enough when the band was in the 3227 02:37:58.959 --> 02:38:02.079 film singles, he he as he's in the scene. Okay, 3228 02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:08.520 so that's uh. And as you did that review for 3229 02:38:08.799 --> 02:38:10.959 a publisher that's not available on your blog, then huh. 3230 02:38:12.440 --> 02:38:14.239 No. And I don't know if they published it yet, 3231 02:38:15.159 --> 02:38:18.600 you know, but one of the yeah, one of the 3232 02:38:18.680 --> 02:38:21.399 review companies because a lot of times like I'll have 3233 02:38:21.479 --> 02:38:22.760 to go look it up and see if they've done 3234 02:38:22.760 --> 02:38:24.879 it yet or whatnot, and what they've edited or whatnot. 3235 02:38:25.239 --> 02:38:28.440 But it's what it's us book review. It's they're one 3236 02:38:28.559 --> 02:38:30.239 that kind of they're good. I've been with them for 3237 02:38:30.360 --> 02:38:35.959 like three years and uh, yep, that's it. And yeah, 3238 02:38:36.000 --> 02:38:38.719 the book is basically presents like it's a legal case 3239 02:38:38.879 --> 02:38:41.040 and you know, it kind of just he's like the 3240 02:38:41.120 --> 02:38:43.760 youngest of three kids. He accuses his sister. His sister 3241 02:38:43.879 --> 02:38:45.799 is like one of the people he accuses of helping 3242 02:38:45.879 --> 02:38:49.200 disinherit him and attempt murdering his mom. 3243 02:38:50.760 --> 02:38:53.879 Well, I don't know much about the curtain McConkie law from. 3244 02:38:53.959 --> 02:38:56.479 Rather than McConkie's are a former you know, that's the 3245 02:38:56.559 --> 02:38:58.840 hierarchy of the Upper echeland, the Mormon Church right there. 3246 02:38:58.920 --> 02:39:01.159 So I'm not sure sure they're the wisest people to 3247 02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:03.719 take a battle against too. So this is an interesting tale, 3248 02:39:03.760 --> 02:39:05.079 it sounds like, and it sounds like one with a 3249 02:39:05.120 --> 02:39:06.280 lot of Mormon power behind it. 3250 02:39:07.680 --> 02:39:10.319 Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's it's one of those 3251 02:39:10.399 --> 02:39:13.159 I mean definitely like the David and Goliath. 3252 02:39:12.799 --> 02:39:14.920 Sort of thing, like were ship right right. 3253 02:39:15.200 --> 02:39:16.719 I don't know if he's going to get anything out 3254 02:39:16.760 --> 02:39:18.680 of it, but yeah, I mean it's broken him from 3255 02:39:18.799 --> 02:39:21.000 the rest of his family, and you know, I mean 3256 02:39:21.079 --> 02:39:24.799 he levy some you know, some very serious charges against 3257 02:39:24.840 --> 02:39:25.440 his own sister. 3258 02:39:25.760 --> 02:39:27.920 You know, does this have anything to do with the 3259 02:39:28.879 --> 02:39:31.000 who were the fellows there we were talking about before 3260 02:39:31.079 --> 02:39:33.959 Nick the leave its. 3261 02:39:37.319 --> 02:39:38.959 I've heard of those guys. I think those are the 3262 02:39:39.000 --> 02:39:39.799 guys that uh. 3263 02:39:42.280 --> 02:39:44.000 Yeah, well one of them was the governor. The one 3264 02:39:44.079 --> 02:39:46.360 the one that was not the governor was the brother 3265 02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:49.200 that was the Utah County prosecutor that was had the 3266 02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:51.000 had the press conference like, Hey, my wife and I 3267 02:39:51.040 --> 02:39:52.520 don't eat kids. We're like, no one asks you you 3268 02:39:52.559 --> 02:39:54.200 get kids, buddy? Why you hold a conference? 3269 02:39:55.159 --> 02:39:58.760 Yeah, he told himself. And then they looked into him like, Yo, 3270 02:39:58.879 --> 02:39:59.840 why are you even saying that. 3271 02:40:02.399 --> 02:40:04.200 What a weird thing to say, sir, Why are you 3272 02:40:04.280 --> 02:40:04.760 telling you this. 3273 02:40:06.440 --> 02:40:09.399 It's just such weird things inside that I mean in 3274 02:40:09.520 --> 02:40:11.719 that church, I mean just in terms of the scandals 3275 02:40:11.719 --> 02:40:14.520 are always insane. I still got to watch the was 3276 02:40:14.559 --> 02:40:15.840 It under the Banner of Heaven? 3277 02:40:16.639 --> 02:40:19.319 And one that they see in the one on Mark Hoffmann. 3278 02:40:20.079 --> 02:40:23.079 I saw the Netflix on I think on Hoffman, Yeah, 3279 02:40:23.200 --> 02:40:25.520 there's a lot of that. I remember hearing about what 3280 02:40:25.680 --> 02:40:27.559 was it with the hand with breaking his hand or 3281 02:40:27.600 --> 02:40:29.959 whatever it was that he couldn't write anymore, couldn't do 3282 02:40:30.040 --> 02:40:37.159 forgeries or whatnot. But I was watching that FX mini 3283 02:40:37.280 --> 02:40:39.959 series Under the Banner of Heaven about the what was it? 3284 02:40:40.079 --> 02:40:43.120 The the wife and child that were killed and it 3285 02:40:43.239 --> 02:40:45.120 was like they think it was like the brothers in 3286 02:40:45.239 --> 02:40:47.319 law I think wound up being involved or something like that. 3287 02:40:48.319 --> 02:40:51.920 I think it was in the eightiesventies, you know, folks, 3288 02:40:51.920 --> 02:40:53.200 A lot of I like to point figures of the 3289 02:40:53.239 --> 02:40:56.319 Catholics in the Vatican with they're you know, the mothership 3290 02:40:56.360 --> 02:40:57.799 as I call them. In Salt Lake. They got a 3291 02:40:57.840 --> 02:41:03.159 lot of scandals themselves, right, Yeah, definitely interesting. We can 3292 02:41:03.239 --> 02:41:04.959 talk about some Mormon stuff in the future. I'm always 3293 02:41:04.959 --> 02:41:07.399 happy to do that, sir. So I appreciate your time there, Phil, 3294 02:41:07.440 --> 02:41:09.360 And if I may ask, do you have any uh, 3295 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:12.200 closing statements, thoughts or anything you like to plug or 3296 02:41:13.079 --> 02:41:13.959 maybe sing us a song. 3297 02:41:17.639 --> 02:41:21.920 No, you're not gonna want that especially, Uh no, no, 3298 02:41:22.159 --> 02:41:22.680 nothing really. 3299 02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:23.000 Uh. 3300 02:41:23.399 --> 02:41:25.959 A lot of stuff again, Phil, whenever you come on, 3301 02:41:26.040 --> 02:41:27.280 it's just tons and tons of shit. 3302 02:41:27.319 --> 02:41:31.000 I always appreciate it. A good time, the chat, that's 3303 02:41:31.000 --> 02:41:33.520 what's up. Oh yeah, I just pluged the ocult rejects. Uh, 3304 02:41:34.079 --> 02:41:37.079 you know all major podcasts, bit you rumble all that stuff. 3305 02:41:37.600 --> 02:41:41.719 Yeah, there you go. Yes, well, I appreciate your gents 3306 02:41:41.760 --> 02:41:45.479 time and discourse conversation here from other outstanding Fridays and 3307 02:41:45.520 --> 02:41:48.639 folks of the interwebs. Same to you, appreciate the chat 3308 02:41:48.680 --> 02:41:51.760 and the UH folks here. UH hopefully we found this 3309 02:41:51.840 --> 02:41:53.840 as entertaining as I did, because I definitely enjoyed the 3310 02:41:53.879 --> 02:41:56.040 conversation and had a great time there were both To 3311 02:41:56.079 --> 02:42:01.000 the gents and UH Operation GCD Sundays may or may 3312 02:42:01.079 --> 02:42:04.639 not have eaten human beatburgers come find out Eastern Times. 3313 02:42:05.559 --> 02:42:07.959 And on that note, I will leave it on that 3314 02:42:09.239 --> 02:42:09.920 thank you all again,