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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dan Valley coming

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at you. After sixty three minutes worth of sound checks

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with mister mort Jensen of the NBA podcast, Fame of

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Yah Who's Sports, Fame of Forbes's, Fame of HBO, Max Fame,

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and of course only fans celebrity, we are here. Whatever

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plans we had are being thrown out the window for

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one technical difficulties and two Dallas Mavericks difficulties. They have

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relieved more Nico Harrison of his responsibilities as the lead

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executive of the organization, This coming about nine months after

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he made the glorious, polarizing Quentin Grimes for Kayla Martin

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trade that is still just being the ramifications of which

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are being felt around the world. We're gonna tackle every

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every sort of angle from this. I want to start

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here with you first. How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well.

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that you were telling people that

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we had audio difficulties and then you're coming in high

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as a mountain on the audio scale. So maybe maybe

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just dialed down a little bit so the audio isn't

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completely distorted, Because yes, we did have sixty three minutes

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of issues, and you were you were not pleased, sir,

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you were you were very you know, I know you're not.

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Speaker 2: I know you're not.

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Speaker 3: You're you're probably asked police to Stallas Mavericks fans right now,

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which is saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm just the multi thousand dollars podcast setup continues to

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just be a bang for its buck more though, what

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was your reaction when you first saw the news, and

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it was, by the way, it was preemptive news to

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where Shams did the whole. He's expected to be fired

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at a ten am ten thirty Central AM Standard time meeting.

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That's like, I'm Nico Harrison has to know because there

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was reports before that that Patrick Dumont was meeting with

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people behind the scenes, probably to their most recent game,

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which by the way, they could have won. But so

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he hadn't know it was coming. But like the point

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we're at where oh this dude is getting is finding

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out he's getting fired before he's officially fired is kind

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of a sign of one how things bad had gotten,

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but it's also a harbinger of all right, there's some

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structural issues here with the Dallas Mavericks.

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Speaker 3: So my first reaction was, how is this solving anything us.

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He should have been fired at the moment he went

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to ownership with the idea of trading Luka Doncic first

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and foremost. That that's so like, I'm not putting all

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of this on Nico, I'm putting this on ownership. Ownership

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signed off on the Luca trade. Ownership signed off more

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importantly on the Quentin Grimes trade.

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Speaker 2: Like what the hell?

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Speaker 3: But they signed off on those on those deals, and

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you know, obviously Nico is the front figure. He was

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the guy who failed to get a good return as well.

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So I think overall, when it comes to like straight tructors,

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you as a general manager or a team president or

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whatever you have, you like lead executive. You go to

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your ownership group, you say, okay, I'm thinking about a

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B and C, and they go, all right, that's interesting,

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Like we can get behind this vision of yours. So

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like do your thing, and then that person goes out

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and finds a trade package and Bob's your uncle, right,

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So Nico obviously failed in getting full bang for the

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buck for Luca. His idea of just negotiating with one team,

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although that's been sort of rebuffed a little bit, I think,

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But like regardless that was always dumb. It should have

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become a bidding war because it's Luka Doncic. It's not

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one of those situations where, oh, if we made it public,

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then his value would diminish.

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Speaker 2: It's look at Doncic the what are you smoking?

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Speaker 1: Like I do agree with that, But do you think

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that what would have happened if those talks had become

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public and it became this feeding front? Do you think

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that the divorce would have been uglier? Is there a

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chance that they might not have been able to get

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just the fact that Anthony Davis didn't know was coming,

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Lebron didn't know what was coming in La or at

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least those are the reports. Is there any chance it

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could have been upended if this became more of a

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine MAVs fans if this came out as well,

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like oh oh oh, like you guys hate this idea

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to this point, like okay, maybe maybe let's not Hey Nico,

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why did you suggest this? Like look at how everyone media, pundits, fans,

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like literally everyone on planet Earth who doesn't even like

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basketball hate this trade, Like why did you why did

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you present this to us? And then Nico would have,

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you know, a problem trying to explain that, because how

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do you explain that, like, oh, well, I just don't

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like fat Europeans? Is that like the rationale?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 2: So? My thing is this is ownership?

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Speaker 3: Like is the title here on this secondis was Nico

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Harrison the real problem? Like yes, no, but ownership is

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the like the by far the biggest problem here. They

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accepted the terms, They accepted that this was going to

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be a thing, that trading Luka Dodgic was something that

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they bought into. Uh so he should have been fired

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long ago. The fact that he's being fired now is

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not changing anything for me whatsoever. Like he should have

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been fired Okay, now they're waiting. Now they're trying. He

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was trying to build something in his vision and then

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they fired him, what ten games into the season? Nine

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games into the season. It's just this is probably the

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most currently at least the most unseerious franchise in the NBA.

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Congratulations Kings fans, Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: I think the Pelicans still have them beat, all right,

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that's fair being in terms of unserious Come on, Dan,

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just catching strays man they're catching strays. They've done it

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to themselves at this point. The I do agree with

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a lot of what you said, and what I also

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can't wrap my head around is is he Patrick Dedmont

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has kind of made it seem like we tried to

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give him as long as we could after this it

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was you said, eleven games into the season, and if

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what were the internal expectations for this team with Kyrie

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Irving out, with Anthony Davis also missing time, with Derek

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Lively the second injured again that because under normal circumstances,

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couldn't you look at, yes, some of the games the

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MAVs lost, absolutely losing to this version of the Pelicans

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or that version of the Pelicans inexcusable, regardless of who's

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on the floor. At the same time, like, couldn't you

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look at this start given what they've had to now

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just forget about the Luca trade. Couldn't you look at

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this start as completely explainable given what they've had. They're

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missing their crown jewel of the Lukadanci trade for a

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good chunk of it. And I just to me and

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I think this supports your point. This felt very much

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not like Patrick Dumont taking control of the situation. Although

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there was the report that he apologized for the Luca

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trade of the fan that flipped him off. Did you

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see that story? That was really funny. I can't remember

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who phrased it like this, but it really does feel

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like him just giving the fan base it's pound of flesh.

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they should be, that this decision was made. I'm curious

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to see where they direct their frustrations moving forward. If

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things don't work out. It's not going to be towards

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they have cogms right now and Michael Finley and Matt McCarty.

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It's not going to be towards them unless they have

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the license to just do whatever they want. We have

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reports saying that Dumont is more involved in not just

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basketball decisions, but game decisions where Anthony Davis would apparently

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already played if Patrick, Dumont and others had not gotten involved.

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and I would agree that they're still okay. Nico Harrison

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was he thought He clearly thought he was the smartest

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guy in the room with the Lukadanjis because of why

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else would you make that the whole. And that's the

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thing that where if you really wanted to point the

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finger at Nico, is that you want someone at the

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super C suite level who's maybe not gonna meddle as much.

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this to be so out of touch with the organization

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or have that much faith in him to sign off

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on it, is part of your responsibility. But the thing

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I can't shake with Nico is that the way that

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Lukadancic was just thrown under the bus after he left

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the Dallas Mavericks organization, and that I think was part of,

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not all of it. For sure, the trade itself is

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just unforgivable and explicable, but part of there not being

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any chance of redemption for him was what happened after

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the move and how they railroaded Luca on the way out.

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For by the way, the big thing was his weight.

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off court things that were about. Was the weight. Anthony

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Davis shows up to camp this year fifteen pounds heavier

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than he was apparently when he left the offseason. I'm

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not here to weight watch Anti Davis, but you don't

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get to trade Luka Doncic and say he doesn't stay

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in shape, and then you're dealing with this star who's

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played what Davis end up playing in thirty how many games?

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As he put thirty four for Dallas, So it's just

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Speaker 2: He's played fourteen games to.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen and Luca played thirty fourth of the Lakers. Is

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that probably what it is that that might make more sense?

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double check what Luca's played in for the Lakers right now.

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Like that's the whole one of the issues. I just

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can't thirty five. So it's just you traded him because

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he wasn't available enough for someone who historically has been

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I just don't I'm so curious to see where they

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go from here. But like, okay, who is Patrick Dumont

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now gonna bear more of the culpability because this still,

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as you point out this, this was his trade just

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as much it was Nico's trade. Even though he isn't

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the one who seems like he went out and sought it.

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Speaker 3: You kind of hope that the next person in line

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to get out out of the organization is Jason Kidd,

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right on some level, like you know you'll get well,

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hopefully you get new a managerial team in there, because

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like currently Ricardi and Finley are interim, like we don't

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know if they're going to get the job, you know,

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full time. I so this isn't an ad thing, but

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like I hate the way that Jason Kidd is just

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starting out Cooper Flag's career by playing him at the one.

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I think that's just too much too soon. I understand

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the vision. I think it's ridiculous. I think that's something

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that's a year two or year three project, honestly. So

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like for me, this gives me hope if I was

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a mass fan that all right, now the ball can

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start to roll. Now you're getting some new blood into

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the managerial team. Perhaps that leads to a head coach

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who is better than what the current one is. Perhaps

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this gives you a level of structure to finally, once

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and for all, get over the hump of that Luca

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trade and say, Okay, let's start over, because now Anthony

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Davis should be fair game. Whoever comes in is not

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married to Anthony Davis is not married to Kyrie Irving.

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It's not married to Sorry j Jil Russell should be laughing.

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So presumably that person is going to get the necessary

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freedom to make changes at least you hope.

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Speaker 1: So, right. And don't you think the you mentioned this

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with Jason Kidd, don't you think that will kind of

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be the signal of, well, how much agency is this

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person going to actually have? Because one of the biggest

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red flags, and this the Pelicans have showed this is

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when you're going to hire a new lead basketball executive,

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construct a new front office and not give them the

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license to change the head coach or to of course

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make personnel decisions with players. But the head coach is

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kind of that first one to where they should have

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the right to instill their own people. I'm just curious,

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whoever they bring in or if you're looking at Nico

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here to where Okay, Ricardi and Finley are there do

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one of them get it and they're just comfortable with

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kid being there, which again I don't I would I

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kid maybe a little bit more of a pass than

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else was he really supposed to do? They started D'Angelo

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Russell for a minute. Who else is on? There's Brandon Williams,

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there's like you just Kyrie Irving is not healthy? Is it?

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you think that Dante exem was going at like? I

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don't can't answer with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, because you know, as soon as they

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won the lottery, in my mind, they needed to start

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over like that. How do you bridge a well, that's

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not a kid thing though, right, No, no, no, that's that's

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that's no no obviously, But as an executive group, you

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could also go to Jason Kidd and you could say, hey, listen,

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Cooper Flagg as our point guard like in year one,

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eighteen years old, that's how you want to start up

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his career like learning the most difficult position in the

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NBA would clearly he's going to be a forward moving forward.

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Like again, I don't I don't hate the idea of

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giving him point guard minutes stand that I don't mind,

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but giving him like all the point guard all the

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guard minutes virtually, like, let's just and I know these

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are noisy. I know these are noisy. I fully concede

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that these numbers from Basketball Reference are noisy. But like

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twenty nine percent of his minutes at point guard, sixty

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nine percent of his minutes at two, that's like three

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percent two percent. Because of the marchin affra there, come on,

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like he has to to at least get a chance

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to play more forward because that is the role he's

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going to play moving forward. He's not going to be

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a full time point guard down the list.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not fighting back against that. I'm just saying

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what were And I agree with you that the MAVs

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should have as soon as they won the lottery, should

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have hit the reset button, cut their losses on the

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Luka Dancic stuff, and reconstructed their future on Cooper flag.

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I just you signedians, you have Brandon Williams. You have

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Jayden Hart, Hardy, Dante xim Is the knee injuries you

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have to play this season. I just don't fault kid.

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I guess you could say, throughout the course of a game,

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should he have got especially when you look at some

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of the big man injuries they've been dealing with. Should

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they've been able to put Cooper Flag in better spots?

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to me it's more of a this was a top

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down that, like, have they assembled given you more shooting

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or someone who could actually dribble aside from D'Angelo Russell

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to and then you continued to play Cooper flag as

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primarily on the ball a bunch of in that day

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facto point guard spot. I think I'd be more with

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you on the Oh, Jason Kidd like he shoulders some

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of the blame in this, but I just I don't

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know what else he was really supposed to do. And

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maybe it's because I viewed the D'Angelo Russell and like

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they they did. Look, they did try it. For how

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many games did he end up starting? He ended up

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starting four three, Okay, he gave one too many? So

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is that like his Cardinals, he should have went to that.

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I just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I honestly again, that's why I don't

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really care. It could be Brandon Williams. It could be

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d' angel Russell. You could play freakin' Max Christie at

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the point. You could play Derek Lively at the point.

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I don't care. It's just a matter of trying to

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put Flag in a more of an advantagious position, right

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Like Ryan Nimhart, I don't care, just something because this

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team needs to be just crap out.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they were trying to do this.

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Speaker 3: All we're competitive now, it was just so un It

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was so predictable, this whole thing, like going back to

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the Luca trade when they were like, oh yeah, like

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we're we feel as though we're a bigger title contender

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now than with Luca. Like everyone saw through the BS

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not a single person worth his or her salt was like,

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oh yeah, I'm buying into this, Like yeah, go, Mask go,

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Like no, everyone was like out. Mark Cuban has done

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literally everything in his power over the past what nine

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months to just kind of say, wasn't my call, wasn't

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my decision? Like he's He's done everything he could to

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distance himself from all this in a way where he

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said like if I, if I still know the team,

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I wouldn't do this. And it's just like everything has

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just been so predictable in how it turned out, and

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now Nico at least is gone. I don't trust ownership.

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We'll see what happens at the new managerial level if

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they have if they come in with this mandate, Jason

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Kidd needs to remain. Then sorry, mass fans, you're just screwed.

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Speaker 1: Is I would agree? But I want to ask you,

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since you brought it up, is there any escaping the

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Lukadants trade for the organization? No?

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Speaker 2: No, this is a man who dragged their sorry ass

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to the finals by his teeth.

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Speaker 3: He was nursing three injuries going into the finals. And

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here's part of this why By the way, Dan, something

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that sticks in my head a little bit also in

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terms of like ownership whatnot. You remember against the Celtics

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in the finals, Luca was just dragged for bad defense,

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for everything. He was just dragged. The guy had a

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bad ankle, and on the other side of his body

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he had a bad knee. He had a torso that

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was messed up, so he was nursing three somewhat major injuries,

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so his moveability was limited, severely limited, and yet he

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was just like put through the mud by every media

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outlet out there. I wonder at times if like Nico

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Harrison leveraged that to ownership and said, look, look that

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this won't work. We need something else, We need something,

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We need a defensive minded big man, because he was

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also always into the defense, not realizing the situation he

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was in and frankly the privilege that he had of

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having Lukadanchit on his roster.

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Speaker 2: So no, there's no escaping this.

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Speaker 3: Ever, what I feel is important to differentiate, and something

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that I think is just generally important to remember is

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when we see fans online like dragging other fan bases

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or criticizing other fan bases, like I want the record

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to always consistently reflect that Dallas Mavericks fans were never

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a part of this, like they were never like, oh yeah,

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I'm on board with this, that fan base that serves

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all and I do mean all of the sympathy for

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this trade. Like, so it's so important to differentiate the

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MAPS organization, like they can never escape the Lucas trade

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mass fans they deserve to have like some being put

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in some kind of box and said, yeah, we're not

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gonna put anything on you. We're not gonna laugh at

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you for what happened because you fucking hated this as

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you should.

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Speaker 1: No, and it's now they're gonna watch him on the

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Lakers forever long he's there, which is just this team

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that's a boogeyman forevery not for not supposed to be

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for a team like the Mavericks, but they so much

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of the discourse. I feel like it's improved over the

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past couple of years, but this doesn't do anything to

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kind of escape the belief that the Lakers and these

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other teams, but it really comes back to the Lakers

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a lot. I know people mention the Knicks, but they're

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not necessarily free agency heavyweights all the time shout out

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Jellen Brunson, but that these big market teams are just

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this pipeline that other marquee stars are eventually going to

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end up in or this kind of fuels Why does

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ESPN talk so much about which star wants out and

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why are the Lakers always on that list? They didn't

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do Nico Harrison and Dumont and the Mavericks didn't do

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anything to help that discourse. I think the other important

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differentiation now that needs to be made, and I think

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MAVs fans are smart enough to do it. I think

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the analysts that would be you and I maybe not

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looped in under how it's talked about, but there will

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still just be whoever is manning the new front office

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you need to give them like it's sort of like

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when Sean Marx took over when Brooklyn had no picks,

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tore it down. Anyway, the MAVs have no picks either.

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They have this year's picks and they have this year's pick,

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and then they don't control twenty seven through twenty thirty,

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so their first the next time they have control over

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their own first round pick is twenty thirty one. We're

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gonna get into some hypothetical trades, probably in a couple

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of minutes, but I think it will be important to

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differentiate that. Okay, we can't just judge this situation now

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against what's happening with Luca and Los Angeles or what

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Anthony Davis even becomes, because look at the Wizards. When

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Dawkins and Winger took over, there they kind of just

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washed their hands at Bradley Beal. The return was panned

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at the time, But I don't think Anthony Davis is

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gonna fetch as much as people think that Anthony Davis

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should fetch. When you look at the injuries in age,

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it's gonna be important to note that and say, I

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understand he was the crown jewel of this Luca trade,

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but given his history, given his age, it's almost better

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to just argue allowed to rip off the band aid

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and begin this rebuild. And that's the distinction that will

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need to be made from here. Maybe not yet because

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we need to see if like what is the perma

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front office here, because we don't know, and that's that's

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the You mentioned this before, and I just really wanted

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to to settle on it. Do you trust you said

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you hope for MAVs fans' sake that they put someone

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in charge who's able to call the shots just the

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entire way this went down, because I would honestly have

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more respect. Or maybe it's I don't know how to

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frame this, because there's the whole don't go chasing good

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money after bad. If you leave Nico Harrison in charge,

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you let him go through another trade deadline, and that

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probably terrifies the hell out of MAVs fans, as it should.

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But what are you saying, like, what does it say

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about Patrick Dumont the rest of the leadership that they

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gave him eleven games of banged up basketball, of a

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roster failing in every way. We knew that it was

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basically going to fail before making the call? Why did

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you let him go through the offseason and the draft

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was easy because they knew what they were gonna do.

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I just that worries me from the perspective of No,

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I don't think I would have had more respect, even

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though I just started to say that you should have

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let Nico play this season out like Patrick Dumont said

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he was going to. My old thing is why was

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he allowed to get to this point? Because that's where

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I would then question the forget about signing off the

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Luca trade. You claim you kind of had your revelation

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after the fact when you saw how much he meant

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to mass fans, when you saw what happened in the

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fallout of it, Yet you let him go into this season.

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That's what I don't understand and why Now? The other

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question is is their value in trying to seek out

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and finding I would say yes, but I'm just curious

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if they will in trying to find a permanent solution

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to lead the front office mid season or is this

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going to be something they conduct over the offseason, which,

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by the way, is seventy games away or whatever it.

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Speaker 2: Is, Sam Hinky, come on down.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know the funniest suggestion I saw what Mike

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Mark Cuban. I hope he just gets it in writing

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this time.

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Speaker 2: That's all I mean, honestly, Like he wouldn't be a

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down great Snico Harrison.

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Speaker 1: So you have to their first call. I don't know

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if you'd better beat a messiah Jerry. That's got to

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be one of their first calls. Right, they might prefer

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someone who's in house, but.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean yes and no, I can't ignore that

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your theory just crept out the way he did in

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Toronto though, like he's probably still good. Maybe he just

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got burned out by that situation.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It also seemed like there was a power struggle within

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that organization that.

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Speaker 2: Could have Yeah, like, I honestly will see it.

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Speaker 3: Just for me, it's just about the level of dedication,

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Like whoever you get in there, even if like you

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make Michael Finley, let's just say it's Michael Finley, even

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if you make him the permanent guy in charge, it's

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just so important that you give him the chance to

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like settle all this because you do need to settle this,

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I think to your earlier point, this is so frightening.

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Like Anthony Davis, You're absolutely right, does not have the

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value that most people associate with Anthony Davis. Now, what

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could change that? It's just one team. That is something

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we need to remember, Like it just takes one dumb

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ass team to.

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Speaker 1: Go out there, like just go get hired somewhere else.

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00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,319
Speaker 3: Bingo, right, like that that is one way. So well,

477
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,400
all right, if Nico gets hired somewhere else, like, can

478
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,160
Baskin and Robbins make it straight for Anthony Davis?

479
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: That's harsh.

480
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: That was hard too harsh. I was gonna ask, though,

481
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,279
do you you're the Mavericks right now? Is this is

482
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:20,759
there an urgency to move Anthony Davis or are you

483
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,880
hoping that? And no one's making trades right now? So

484
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,519
anything before December fifteenth is just not gonna happen. But

485
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,000
is there anything to the idea of do you want

486
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,359
to recalibrate over the off season? Is that waiting too long?

487
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,680
Is it? He comes back, he plays some game, so

488
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,759
you think they have to move him by the trade deadline,

489
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,920
because doesn't that get complicated in the sense of one,

490
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
we know their proximity to the second apron right now,

491
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,640
but they'll they'll figure that out. It's more so you

492
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,079
are trading him probably at as low as his trade

493
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,160
value has been. You don't want to give him that

494
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,599
opportunity to try and build it back up.

495
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,799
Speaker 2: It's Anthony Davis. I don't know what I'm walking into.

496
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,279
Speaker 3: Like again, people, look, even if he has a healthy

497
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,079
second half of the year, are we gonna sit here

498
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,160
and pretend like NBA teams aren't aware of that injury pattern? Like,

499
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,559
are we really gonna sit there?

500
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: Again?

501
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,839
Speaker 3: Maybe if there's a team out there that's just dumb

502
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,119
enough to go in and say, look, he was healthy

503
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,680
through like February, March.

504
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: And April, like let's go.

505
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: But I just I refuse to believe that NBA teams

506
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,680
started like that short sighted. Everyone knows that he's you know,

507
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:31,880
he's I don't want to stay made of glass because

508
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,720
that's not the case, but he's he's injury riddled, So like,

509
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:39,519
what is that going to change if anything, like his

510
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:46,960
current issue isn't necessarily one that's like majorly concerning, right, Like.

511
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,599
Speaker 2: I don't think so I'm asking.

512
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: Oh, you're asking me about his current injury that was

513
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,519
cash strained that he's dealing with.

514
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not necessarily something that's like a major red

515
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,160
flag like that. You can you can probably trade him

516
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,519
with that issue in mind. I know he's not gonna

517
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,720
get traded before you know, December fifteenth, or even right

518
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,519
before the deadline. My point is, you know, he's not

519
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,319
nursing an ACL tear, he's not nursing all that. But

520
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:19,559
like it's not just Davis though, it's Kyrie, Like does

521
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,000
he have the trade value after an aclchair?

522
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:22,799
Speaker 2: Probably not.

523
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: Who else is out there Clay Thompson, who's shooting forty

524
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,160
one percent is looking cooked? Does he have trade value?

525
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,400
Probably not. J Angel Russell, who's also looking cooked at

526
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,319
the age of twenty nine. By the way, what the

527
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:42,240
hell d Lo Like, it's I think, like I'm not

528
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:44,519
even I'm not even gonna front in terms of like

529
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,440
a one to one trade value. I'm not saying that

530
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,319
he's gonna fetch more than Anthony Davis, But like PJ.

531
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Washington might be outside of Cooper Flag, one of their

532
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,200
most like intriguing trade as assets that they have because

533
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,640
he's on a reasonable deal, he's productive, he's he's healthy

534
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,160
for the most part. Like he plays both sides of

535
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,680
the floor. Like I understand if they go into the

536
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480
trade deadline and say, all right, like maybe where we

537
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,279
get real value something that we just know we got

538
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:11,759
in hand.

539
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:14,599
Speaker 2: That's PJ Washington, which is why he.

540
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Can he can. PJ Washington can't be traded this season, right,

541
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,119
that's thank you.

542
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: That is right.

543
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: That's an offseason that was over a one thank you.

544
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: Yes, it's late. We took sixty three minutes.

545
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,839
Speaker 1: Well, I think so you're at the ad front to

546
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,640
stick there for a second. I think you're right because

547
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:37,200
he has another guarantee year left on his deal than

548
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,640
a player option after that. I think you The way

549
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,480
to pedal Anthony Davis right now is to say you

550
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,680
get all this time before you have to worry about

551
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,599
paying him next and that clock is just going to

552
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,240
tick down if you let the season play out, then

553
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,200
move over the off season. You could also say, is

554
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,240
he going to improve your record too much if you

555
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,440
keep him at a time when you should be prioritizing

556
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,680
your twenty twenty six draft pick. I think you could

557
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,759
get in to right. Well, Anthony Davis doesn't have to

558
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:04,119
play the latter quarter of a season, but if he

559
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,519
is healthy, he will presumably help you win some games.

560
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,000
I just don't know when you're looking at his value

561
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,880
in a vacuum, I don't know what he's worth. As

562
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,559
you said, it says it takes only one team. And

563
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,960
are there any teams that stand out to you as

564
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,960
actual they should be in play for Anthony Davis.

565
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: Short or will there's a difference both.

566
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean it's there. You could there's probably some teams

567
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,640
that shouldn't that will get involved if you think those

568
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,240
like are the Bulls gonna come calling and that's gonna happen?

569
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like again, maybe this might.

570
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,839
Speaker 3: Actually prove to be the Chicago's uh to Chicago's benefit,

571
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,839
that they started off the season strong, that they might

572
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,079
believe in this court because I don't. I don't think

573
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:49,960
they should go out and trade for anything Davis, but

574
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,519
this is an organization that's proven time and time again

575
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:55,039
they do like to go out and get big names

576
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,000
even past their primes, especially guys with Chicago ties. We

577
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,799
know this from Dwayne Wade in twenty six as one

578
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,720
primary example. Like that is a team I could definitely

579
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,680
see try to get in there because they have so many,

580
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,680
so many expiring contracts, So that wouldn't shock me if

581
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160
they try to get involved again, I don't think they should.

582
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,119
I wouldn't be surprised if the Sacramento Kings also are

583
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,119
panicky and like, we need a big name, we need

584
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,279
someone who can really like sell this whole thing, like okay,

585
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,759
Like that wouldn't shock me, should they? No, there really

586
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:35,960
aren't a lot of teams out there that should one

587
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,559
thing I consider a little bit interesting, and I need

588
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,279
to align their values or not values, Like are they

589
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,759
earning the exact same amount of money I think they are?

590
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,319
So this is legal? How sir, would you like in

591
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,839
Anthony Davis for Jimmy Butler.

592
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:58,839
Speaker 1: Swab as the Warriors. No, anthy Davis can't help. There

593
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,759
might be some struggles with this Golden State too. Anthony

594
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,880
Davis doesn't help my offense. When Steph is off the floor,

595
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,319
you're gonna run into some of the same offensive issues

596
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:09,240
you do with Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, and Jonathan Kaminga,

597
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,759
except that Anthony Davis is not as good as a

598
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,640
ball handler or passer right as Jimmy Butler. So no,

599
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,599
that would be a hard no if I'm Golden State,

600
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,559
which is kind of what we no. You can tell

601
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,839
me if I'm being too harsh on that because he

602
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,880
is younger than Jimmy Butler.

603
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 3: Is I just like this the fit with Steph. But

604
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,119
I hear you, like that's an interesting component, Like you know,

605
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,359
they they're not really short on the bigs, like they

606
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,119
need the wings more so and they need playmaking wings.

607
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,559
Jimmy is that But like if that's if that's where

608
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,680
we are, where we saying that's a hard no Anthony

609
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,839
Davis for Jimmy Butler.

610
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,799
Speaker 1: I wondering if I jumped to I probably if I'm

611
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,119
Golden State, would say no, right is that that Maybe

612
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960
that's dumb. That might be dumb on me, but not But.

613
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,599
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing if we don't know that speaks

614
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,279
volumes right of his value.

615
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,799
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's why I don't even know what to

616
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,319
peg his trade value at. I think there's even like

617
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,839
I'm just trying to just like you. I've tried to

618
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,359
be racking my brain for destinations ever since this came out.

619
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:16,279
As well, what team could I see like really going

620
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,680
in for him? Would you do something like he's injured

621
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,799
now too, they're both injured, but like this Phoenix try

622
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:23,799
and get involved. They have that Jail and Green salary.

623
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,599
Speaker 2: That could be interesting. Yeah, not for Dallas, right, No,

624
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:32,400
I mean they get younger at the very least. I

625
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,079
don't love a Cooper flag jailing Green duo, but like

626
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,279
that could be a part of going the way. How

627
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:44,359
about Minnesota where you package Go Bear and I guess

628
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
what would that be? God, that's actually difficult to find,

629
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,240
like the right trade components.

630
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would probably have to be Go Bear and

631
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,599
Dante DiVincenzo. Maybe you're throwing you have to throw Dillingham

632
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:57,519
in there as well. I think just because that's so

633
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,039
underwell made, it's very underwell and even I think the

634
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,440
Wolves could even say, no, we're not doing that, right,

635
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,799
Rudy Gobert is gonna be more available and can An

636
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,599
we trust him to anchor our defense at least of

637
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,559
the regular season more than Anthony Davis would.

638
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 3: And and there's a team that should have been interested

639
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,759
like a month ago, but they're getting production out of

640
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,880
their center now, which is going to make that a

641
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,119
hard No, that's Detroit, Like I would have loved to.

642
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,839
Speaker 2: See a d in Detroit. But yeah, like that.

643
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,559
Speaker 1: They were a team we were going to talk about

644
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,799
today before this news broke. They are signed me all

645
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,640
the way up. I'm in. I'm in on this version

646
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,119
of the Piston. So yeah, keep him, keep and Anthony

647
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,400
Davis trade all the way away from these Pistons. And

648
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,599
by the way, that's another component you mentioned his next

649
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,759
team better making a mandate, mandate that hey, you're a center,

650
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,079
maybe there'll be some duing, big lineups, but this is

651
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:50,599
not like you're not gonna be You don't have the

652
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,640
jumper of a four. Your handle isn't as much as

653
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
a an anomaly if you're playing, if you're if you're

654
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,440
a five, all that stuff is great. You're not really

655
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,799
a liability as a shooter. Anything you could do with

656
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,519
the ball in your hands is kind of a plus there.

657
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,079
Still that's gonna have to be I would say a

658
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,319
non negotiable for me. Do you know what team I

659
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,119
thought of? But I don't love it. It just runs

660
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,960
so counter their timeline and what this front office is done.

661
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,079
Speaker 2: Can I guess yeah? Good?

662
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,319
Speaker 1: No, oh god, no, I was gonna say the Hornets

663
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,359
they have I want I want to say this Pozena

664
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Hornets fans will come in the comments. Ryan Klbrenner and

665
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Mussa Diabat. They've actually been really good this year. I've

666
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
been really impressed with Calbrener, specifically, just because I knew

667
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,680
nothing about him coming into the NBA. If you could

668
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:38,240
get and they have Dallas' twenty twenty seven pick, if

669
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,799
you're building something around, hey, you get this pick back.

670
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200
The other thing I had thought about is how this

671
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,759
is it's Anthony Davis adjacent. I don't think the Hornets

672
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,759
would be an Anthony Davis team, but they they're a

673
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,160
team that could, in theory use the center. If you're

674
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,039
if you're the Hornets with the Mavericks, who says, no,

675
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,240
Derek Lively and Max Christy for the rights of that

676
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:02,160
Dallas pick in twenty twenty seven, you have to figure

677
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,160
out the wrong money.

678
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm not I'm not

679
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,759
doing that if I'm Dallas. So so, I'm very high

680
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,719
on Derek Lively. They're very, very, very very high. So

681
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,800
I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. Like I'm

682
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,280
I'm almost I will say, I'm unreasonably hot high on

683
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Derek Lively.

684
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm wrong on this.

685
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: He's not been like the healthiest big man either, I know,

686
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,199
I know. So you're not. That's a hard no from you.

687
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,119
It is. What if it's just Derek Lively for the

688
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:35,519
twenty twenty seven pick. God, you're such a tease right now,

689
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,639
all right, you have to that's at least a thinker,

690
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:39,480
then it is, right?

691
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yes it is,

692
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:48,239
and like it's it's mostly because I I'm trying to

693
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
ignore the intrigue pattern with Derek Lively. I think he's

694
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400
I think there's some real upside there. But you're not wrong.

695
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,000
That is at least interesting to be in and controls

696
00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:59,960
your own draft picks. At the same time, this is

697
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,760
you're three for Lively, so you're gonna.

698
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: Get paid after this an extension after that will be extension.

699
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Alcohol doesn't need to get one.

700
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,559
Speaker 2: But so that's that's that's that, Like that payment is

701
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:10,400
gonna come up soon.

702
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Look, if I'm Charlotte, I really like Derek Lively too.

703
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,360
It's just the availability thing is a big one. If

704
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,280
I'm Charlotte and the offer is only Derek Lively for

705
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,320
that pick, I think you could look at it and

706
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,159
say they have Cooper flag. But if you really believe

707
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,199
they're gonna end up trading Anthony Davis and we're gonna

708
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,239
get into Kyrie in a second, if it's just Derek Wively,

709
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,079
you probably have to say no, right. And you also

710
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,639
just didn't want to pay one injury riddle big man.

711
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,840
You tried to trade him twice, took you two times

712
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,760
to trade him. Are you now gonna invest in another one? Who? Again,

713
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,519
I think the ceiling is higher. Another team I had

714
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,840
thought about here is Memphis. What about like a job

715
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,079
Morant for Anthony Davis challenge trade. There'd have to be

716
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,360
more money and more pieces involved. Who's given up stuff?

717
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,519
Who has to give up more? If that's the if

718
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,119
that's the basis of the package, is that.

719
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,599
Speaker 3: Like the name trade the name trade where the games

720
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,039
are like, not where they they're supposed to be. Uh,

721
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,360
that's interesting. I would probably have thought Jared Jackson Junior instead,

722
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
But I you know me, I'm not high on him.

723
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,639
I'm not high on either guide Memphis I think tatic

724
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:17,559
still hold that's.

725
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Good you which look I understand the Jared Jackson Junior.

726
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,119
They're still fouling stuff. The rebound stuff is you were

727
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,719
you were basically like climaxing because he had five rebounds

728
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,280
and thirty minutes the other night or whatever.

729
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,639
Speaker 3: I would no, no, no, he had no no, no, no, no,

730
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,599
that's not fair. I was climaxing because he had five

731
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,119
rebounds in those eleven minutes that I was expecting more.

732
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:39,400
He finished with six dan and I was like so disappointed,

733
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440
because I like, I want to be wrong. That that

734
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,800
is something that people often like they think they that

735
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,960
I run with certain narratives and I like have a

736
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,440
personal ven deada on something.

737
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,119
Speaker 2: I love being wrong. I don't like I love being wrong.

738
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,559
Speaker 3: Like Jared Jackson Junior, if he started averaging eleven boards

739
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,760
per game, I would fucking love it. I would be like, yep, yep, hey, Jared, Well,

740
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,519
you can slam on social media if you want to,

741
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:04,480
that's fine, But like he doesn't.

742
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: I do think him and Anthony Davis is a heck

743
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,320
of a front court. You're still gonna be in a

744
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,039
primary creator there, but like if you still have if

745
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,039
Scottie Pippen, j Andr and Ti Jerome or healthy Cam

746
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:14,880
Spencer's there.

747
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,199
Speaker 2: I don't if.

748
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm Memphis, if I can keep and you would if

749
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,599
you have coward Anthony Davis and jaredgestion to use your

750
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,159
front line of the future. And look if you're if

751
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,199
you're Dallas, I don't know what picks Memphis has given you.

752
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,880
They have some of those Orlando picks. I don't know

753
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,519
how many of those will be on the table.

754
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: Used to play right.

755
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they need they need other injury pro on

756
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,800
this roster too. I don't mean to I'm not rooting

757
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000
for injuries. It's just feels like we're talking about a

758
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,800
lot of injury prone bigs.

759
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're talking about Anthony Davis. Maybe that's fair.

760
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,119
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking I do think, and not just because

761
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,840
of the money. I think it winds up being Memphis

762
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,159
that would have to give up at least a little

763
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,000
bit more. And they do have just these ancillary guys,

764
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,679
Zachi Edy being one of them. Jalen Wells also, I'm

765
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,239
still he'll shoot the ball better at some point. Like

766
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,199
they just have guys they could throw in their play

767
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,599
like that might be deal that could actually work. I

768
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,480
don't know. I don't love the Jaw Cooper Flag pairing,

769
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,239
though Dallas would be able to cover up for job. Defensively,

770
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,599
I have no issue about that. You're certainly taking the

771
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,480
ball more out of Cooper Flag's hands. I just don't

772
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:23,880
know if I love the fit of playing Flag plus

773
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,000
a big plus whether I mean, if it's Zach Edie,

774
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000
he might be shooting threes though, So but you know what,

775
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,920
you know what I'm getting at Moran Flag and then

776
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,519
a setter, whether it's Gafford, whether it's Lively you could get.

777
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,400
I don't know how much that's going to do for

778
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,079
your offense. Then you're also still what does that mean

779
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,079
for Kyrie? By the way, So that's the other thing.

780
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,800
If you I'm not saying don't make a decision based

781
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,320
on Kyrie's future, I'm just that would be potential. There

782
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,039
would be redundancy there. Kyrie can play off John Moran.

783
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,599
I just you know, defensively, a John Moran Kyrie irving

784
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:56,880
backcourt isn't going to be any great shakes.

785
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 3: Here's where I hate the Aprons and currently Anthony Towns

786
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:03,679
for Anthony Davis trade would be.

787
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,679
Speaker 2: Fun, No, wouldn't it would be fun.

788
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: Why Okay, Look, I mean you spend all of last

789
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,239
year also talking about like do they Nick's have enough

790
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,320
post defense, like do they have enough like interior rim protection?

791
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,280
They would with Davis assuming health. But again that's that's

792
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,360
assuming health, and that's a.

793
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: Big it's assuming health. And it's just so now you

794
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,440
have Mitchell Robinson and Anthony Davis is the core of

795
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,639
your friend, Like, oh, Gaonobi is definitely gonna end up

796
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:33,440
starting games at center at some point.

797
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,599
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that Mitchell Robinson would be pivoted off for

798
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:41,639
someone else. Uh see, this is this is the issue

799
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:42,079
right here.

800
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: We're going through names on teams and players and we're

801
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,360
coming up with Diddley squad.

802
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Would you we have to throw some usual suspects in there.

803
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,320
You did mention the Spurs. Do you think they should

804
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,840
be in on Davis?

805
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 3: So that's the thing, right because Davis is I think

806
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,000
it's fair to assume that he's going to pick up

807
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,400
like his player option in twenty seven to twenty eight

808
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,000
at sixty two point seven million. So what you're looking

809
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,239
at is not a two year contract. You're looking at

810
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,880
it if you you know, roughly a three year contract

811
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,480
this year, next year, in the year after, that's a

812
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,559
lot of money for its team that's also going to

813
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,599
have to extend Wemby, who is going to look at

814
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,599
certain options there, like they have the deals to align

815
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:27,039
it like it would be fun to see, But at

816
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,639
the same time, I think they're aiming higher, Like I

817
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:33,639
wouldn't be shocked if Giannis remains on there at the

818
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,800
top of their wish list, and rightfully so, because they

819
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,159
have the weapons to go out there and make a

820
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,000
real trade offer. So you know, it'd be one of

821
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,440
those situations where they might have to settle a little

822
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,639
bit because I feel als though this burst still need

823
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,920
like one big shot, right, like they have one bullet

824
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,840
left of that chamber.

825
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: Do they want to spend it on eighty Presumably not.

826
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: I think you would. I would prefer if you're gonna

827
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,199
go for all, but I guess that's not all in.

828
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,559
And then also you didn't what is the package look

829
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,039
like Dearn Fox when he could be traded on February fourth,

830
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,119
I think it is so a day before the day

831
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:12,440
before the trade that line traded.

832
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,679
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking more so.

833
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,199
Speaker 3: And again this is where it gets rough because in

834
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:20,960
in season trades. You don't really do three for one guys,

835
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,719
like because you can't do the rosters. But I was

836
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,679
thinking somewhere centered around Barnes, Johnson and Cornette or something

837
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,000
like that.

838
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: So you're really juicing them with picks like the rest

839
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,840
of that deal with picks.

840
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like juicing is a relative term because I'm

841
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,280
not even gonna relinquish like all that much. Again, it

842
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:43,199
depends like if I'm the Spurs, I could put in

843
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
an offer, but it would be you know, in the

844
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,079
lower end, just to see, you know, it's just like, yeah,

845
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
we'll offer you this. If that's the best offer you have,

846
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,239
you know, call us back.

847
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: Sort of like they did with Kevin Durant where they

848
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,920
end up not with Kevin Durant. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

849
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,199
I guess they could. I don't. I don't know why

850
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,079
I'm saying. I don't love it. It's just the I

851
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,039
would prefer them if they were gonna get that spot

852
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,440
a higher salary player on obviously say I prefer for

853
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
it to be honest, or maybe you're just looking more

854
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,599
at like a wing type rather than going all in

855
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,559
on a forward slash big what about.

856
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,159
Speaker 2: How are we talking about this. It's He's gonna end

857
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:21,519
up in Miami, isn't.

858
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 1: He's That was one of the teams on my list.

859
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,480
I don't like the offensive fit of Bamin Anthony, especially

860
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,039
the way the Heat have been playing offensively this year.

861
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,360
I don't love the fit of Bamin a d at all.

862
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't either that.

863
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: That just seems like they have been star hunting for

864
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,679
so long now that I'm just wondering if they're like,

865
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,599
screwed Davis is available, let's just go get him, which

866
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:44,880
would be wrong, by the way.

867
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,599
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, especially.

868
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: Because when you look at the money they would have

869
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,360
to send out. You're sending out Tyler Hero as part

870
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,360
of that, and then what are your other big salaries there?

871
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,960
You can't trade Nikola Yovich is gonna be poison pill,

872
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,639
so that's not gonna do anything for you this season.

873
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,239
You're not gonna move Bam as part of that. You

874
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,880
have Norman Powells expiring deal, but he's like the spacing

875
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,320
that him and Hero. You need at least one of

876
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,480
them on this team. If you've bamed Anthony Davis and with.

877
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: Right that there was something there the contract.

878
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the other thing too, and we'll

879
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
go live to Barry Jackson to see the list of

880
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,159
one thousand and five ways that the Heat were unfairly

881
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,079
treated as part of the Terrozier trade and it should

882
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,719
be renigged and they should get their pick back. I

883
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,880
don't really have any other and this isn't, by the way,

884
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,079
I think Anthony Davis can still be a fan. He

885
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,039
has not looked at the peak of his powers this year,

886
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,840
but based on what we saw prior to his trade

887
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,639
to the Mavericks last year, we just haven't seen him

888
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,519
a ton since he can still be a huge difference maker.

889
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:48,679
So for me, this isn't. I think Anthony Davis is

890
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,800
a terrible basketball player. And that's the other we mentioned

891
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,760
distinctions before. You have to separate Anthony Davis from the loop.

892
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,039
It wasn't his decision to be traded for Luka Doncis.

893
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:59,400
So when he only fetches the Mavericks one or two

894
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,639
first round, that's not necessarily on him. The only other

895
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,960
team I could think of, and it's really more so

896
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,559
they're definitely brazen enough to do this is the Kings. Yeah,

897
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,360
and they have like nine guards and so if they

898
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,360
were oh, but if you ask Doug Christy, they have

899
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,639
too many wings, So why kean Ellis can't get on board.

900
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,719
So if you were to build something around one of

901
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
the expensive then you're playing Sabonus and a d together.

902
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,960
I don't know who has an appetite for any of that.

903
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,760
I think it could work. Sabonis provides enough stretch, I

904
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,599
think anyway. On offense. I know this year has been

905
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,119
rocky for him. But if you're the Mavericks and you're

906
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,079
looking at the actual players they have to offer, you're

907
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,679
kind of saying, oh, are we just taking? Is it

908
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Zach Levine or is it Demard Rosen and Malik Munk?

909
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,679
And then we want, like we want to short the

910
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,239
Kings' future and get their picks. I don't I just

911
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,840
don't know that there's a I could see the Kings

912
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,679
being interested in Davis. I don't know, unless you have

913
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,360
a better I don't see like the workable package that

914
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,039
makes a ton of sense.

915
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: Drew Holland and Jeremy Grant for Anthony Davis and Jayden Hardy.

916
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: That is not the Kings.

917
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:05,639
Speaker 2: I know.

918
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,199
Speaker 1: I'm asking you, so, do you see a workable deal with.

919
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: The Kings that was my answer, no, I don't.

920
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,079
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, So Drew Holliday, Jeremy Grant for Anthony

921
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,280
Davis and Jayden Hardy. Honestly, I'm probably not doing that.

922
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,639
If I'm Portland, just well, hold on, I know Danny

923
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,880
Bobby has been great. Yeah, Drew is so important. I

924
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,719
know your offense right now. And also Jeremy Grant's been

925
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,519
kind of hooping this and it's way hi high. Okay,

926
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,719
so sell high. But the other thing I was gonna notice,

927
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,360
they've been running a lot of just I would call

928
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,719
them close to centerless lineups, and Anthony Davis would I

929
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,679
guess if you're gonna play him at the five, that

930
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,039
takes the place of that. But it seems like they

931
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,840
like the whole when it's Timmani and Denny and Jeremy

932
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,320
Grant on the court at the same time with two

933
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,199
of the other guys with them. That's from a value perspective.

934
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,440
I guess if you're Portland you would say, yeah, do that,

935
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,039
But I don't. I would quite. I don't know what

936
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,559
just as we kind of question what their endgame is

937
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:06,920
when they made the Drew Holiday trade, now I'm wonder

938
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,000
what is the what is the purpose here.

939
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: That and that is why I didn't have an answer

940
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,039
for you with the Kings, because like what is the

941
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,360
end game there too? Like why would they even consider.

942
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,159
Speaker 1: I have one that just came to me.

943
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,159
Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready?

944
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul George? Yeah, And for Anthony Davis challenge trade

945
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,159
or would you be willing if you're Philly to use

946
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Jared McCain to get off of Paul George and bring

947
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,159
back Anthony Davis.

948
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: So we agree that Paul George and Nathey Davis are

949
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,440
roughly on this. They both have to.

950
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:43,599
Speaker 1: This isn't a money I'm well, you can flesh out

951
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,719
the details of the pack, like to make the math work.

952
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,519
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm giving up Jared McCain for that

953
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,679
is both deals a horrendous.

954
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So Paul George for Anthony Davis, cha, I think no. No,

955
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,400
I mean as would probably say no to that. Then

956
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,360
what else are the Sixers giving you? The Clippers pick?

957
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,800
And that's an era. I think the Sixers would need

958
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,440
to be the team.

959
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,599
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's that's fair to be honest.

960
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 3: I thought it in a way that if Paul George

961
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,320
goes to Dallas at least he would be more floor

962
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,159
space or.

963
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: Like he would be integrated. He's also been a he's

964
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,280
a better playmaker than Ancy Davis is.

965
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 1: It's also not healthy.

966
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: He's also not healthy. Well, I mean, you.

967
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,119
Speaker 1: Don't get that. You you sat here at least it

968
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,280
was like two months ago or something, and try to

969
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,280
tell me that Paul George is basically the worst contract

970
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,679
in the NBA of the past century or something. You

971
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,079
don't get to trot the mas into taking him.

972
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: There, You're right, you know what, You're absolutely right. So

973
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,639
what is the Trenton Watford Ports Trenton? Though I don't

974
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:40,639
want him in Dallas.

975
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,519
Speaker 1: He's doing traded yet either, Trenton triple double lotor.

976
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,639
Speaker 2: I like to call him.

977
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,119
Speaker 3: See, I was just one year too early on him.

978
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,960
I called him, I had him as.

979
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: We see where he finishes on the ballot before you

980
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,199
go taking him? It was what it was, one triple doll.

981
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: I've just said.

982
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he's good and people are finally realizing.

983
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,920
So you know, uh, no, you're right, they would need

984
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,920
to add something. I don't want to be picked.

985
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,559
Speaker 2: But like, so question seems like a big one, right,

986
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:13,880
I gonna.

987
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:17,559
Speaker 1: Say, does it you have Maxi vj edgecolemb and Quentin Grime.

988
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: Well, just because you have a lot of guards, it

989
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,800
doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have value though, then you.

990
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,519
Speaker 1: Can get value. But also we're talking about health. How

991
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,840
many games has Jared McKay played in?

992
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,159
Speaker 2: Well, I honestly need to look that up, right, Yeah,

993
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,239
we're down in that threshold.

994
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I do not who's but here's the question, who's

995
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,800
played in more games? Luca dncs with the Lakers or

996
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,440
Jared McCain with the Sixers twenty five career episodes. Luca

997
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:46,119
with the Lakers.

998
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's thirty five. I mean, yeah, you're okay,

999
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,679
he's Look, it was a.

1000
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: Good value pick. I'm just saying I don't know that

1001
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,239
if also I don't know Philly does it any I mean,

1002
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,440
this is the whole Joelle and Bean and Anthony Davis,

1003
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,920
but they won't be playing together a ton. It's a

1004
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,880
ef actively they're gonna play. Joel Embiid plays what you're

1005
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,079
probably putting him in, like that twenty to twenty five

1006
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,840
minute per game role that he's basically in right now.

1007
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,360
Son Anthony Davis is definitely on the court for the

1008
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,679
other twenty five to twenty eight that embiid is not

1009
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,239
all right?

1010
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: All right, you sold me, you sold me? Because here's

1011
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,719
the thing. He McCain is six'. Two he's more of

1012
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,360
an off guard than a. ONE i think we can't

1013
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,079
agree on. That so he's probably always going to be

1014
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:29,159
more of an undersized, scorer, right, Yeah like.

1015
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: Unless you trust him to be able to initiate your,

1016
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,519
offense WHICH i think you could maybe do as more

1017
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,039
of a second unit. GUY i don't know HOW i

1018
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,119
trusted against starter level, defense, right and.

1019
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,679
Speaker 3: We know that those guys right now are not in high.

1020
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,639
Demand like look at what Cam, thomas like the negotiation

1021
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,760
factor he went through With brooklyn, Two, like are we

1022
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,039
sure That jared McCain is not going to end up

1023
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:53,320
in a roughly similar situation if he's not showing on ball.

1024
00:49:53,360 --> 00:50:01,559
Skills so through that, perspective gun into my, HEAD i see.

1025
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,880
IT i can see your vision. There and at the same,

1026
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,199
time he would kind of help Out Flag like the

1027
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,599
floor spacing of McCain is, Good LIKE i don't hate

1028
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,800
that that that might be legitimately a decent. Deal so

1029
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,599
what would that look like For? Philly so it's a

1030
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:24,719
d em Beat, Okay, Maxie, maxie.

1031
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: An edgecomb is a nice format base and you're still your.

1032
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,519
Thinner you're thinner at the, wing which you've been in

1033
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,320
thinn all year Because Paul george wasn't. Playing but you

1034
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,239
just bet, on, Like, okay we have Justin, edwards we

1035
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,000
have Kellyoo bridge and your quent and. Grind you just

1036
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:38,400
figure it.

1037
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,519
Speaker 3: Out trent And watford is still, there so you're not

1038
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,599
really going down on a lot of these. Issues, okay,

1039
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:48,360
Okay like we need to get the approval of our

1040
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,719
mutual Buddy brian's of, pooring but LIKE i don't.

1041
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: SURE i feel like he's probably already posted about it

1042
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,320
on social media, somewhere, yeah because that's how that's how

1043
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,199
his brain. Works do you HAVE i have a couple

1044
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,760
other questions THAT i think we need to get. It

1045
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,639
do you have anything any other team here that is

1046
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:06,480
there any of the just teams that are so far

1047
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,880
away at the moment that you could see kind of

1048
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,519
inging in on.

1049
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,679
Speaker 3: This The hawks are a seem THAT i wouldn't be

1050
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,920
SURPRISED i see are they far? Away that's there's such

1051
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,519
there is such a weird situation because they accelerate their

1052
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,079
timeline Got christops in. There they can't really figure, out you,

1053
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,119
know the new Contract trey Jail johnston is?

1054
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:29,199
Speaker 2: Good how good is?

1055
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: He we still don't like fully, know like what is

1056
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,199
their plans moving? Forward but they could they could at

1057
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,159
least make an interesting trade offer if they were willing

1058
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:41,280
to move off Of percinkis?

1059
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: Right could they they.

1060
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: Could make an interesting. ONE i would be curious they're

1061
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,440
incentive for doing so if they kind of it feels

1062
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,360
like they're evaluating where they are year over year and

1063
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,440
now you're tacking on long term money with that. Deal and,

1064
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,519
also as we record, THIS i know part of this

1065
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:58,400
is Because Trey young has missed, time their defense has

1066
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,159
outperformed their, offense AND i don't know That Anthony davis

1067
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,599
is going to come in and help your. Offense and

1068
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,039
so you're you're, THINKING i, Mean Anthony davis And Jalen

1069
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,119
johnson can absolutely work as a front. Court that's not a.

1070
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,679
PROBLEM i would just what is the other compensation With?

1071
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,159
Porzingi and then, look having a D i'd like to

1072
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,559
help Insulate, Trey Like AD's definitely a better insulator on

1073
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:22,920
defense Than, porzingis is, right Because porzingis kind of has

1074
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,440
that elite, one elite. SKILL i don't want to say just,

1075
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,519
one but you know WHAT i. Mean And davis can

1076
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:29,920
do when he's, healthy blow up a bunch of different

1077
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,519
things in the defensive. End if the price was low,

1078
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,719
Enough i'm not giving up any of Those Pelicans bucks

1079
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,280
picks THAT i haven't in one of the next two.

1080
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,880
Years that's not. Happening so what.

1081
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: It's percincis Okongbu, jesus that's only forty five Million gokongou

1082
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:44,960
is such a cheap?

1083
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,599
Speaker 1: Contract, well, yeah then you're gonna want to backup. Center yeah, Right,

1084
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,199
still so you're trying to get, out they. Don't the

1085
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,599
money gets tricky with them unless you're Gonna, yeah they're

1086
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:55,199
probably not a good.

1087
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 3: One so they're they're not a great. One it's, honestly

1088
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,320
AND i really don't want to get. There just everything

1089
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,360
comes to back to The. Bulls to, me it's just

1090
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:07,039
that team feels, like, no it feels like an, inevitability

1091
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:08,360
right because of their expiring.

1092
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: Contracts so what would That what does that deal look

1093
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,280
like then to? You so they're expiring, contracts are they have?

1094
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,880
Vouch they have Zach, Io Kobe, White Zach, Collins Kevin,

1095
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,960
herder that's what what is the? Compensation so what as

1096
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,960
the as The, Mavericks what are The bulls? Get is

1097
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,280
it just draft equity because none of the players we,

1098
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,599
mentioned they're going to look at and, say, like the

1099
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,800
value of the trade that we're building at the moment

1100
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,760
is they're getting off of long term, money which is

1101
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,760
just in AN A d, trade you need to get,

1102
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,320
more do We?

1103
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,639
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean, yeah do you need?

1104
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 3: To but can You that's, like, Honestly i'm just trying

1105
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,519
to play the devil's advocate, here and not specifically with The,

1106
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:54,960
bulls just any. Team if you have expiring contracts that

1107
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,760
can Absorb Anthony davis and just after this, season take

1108
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,880
a let me just see, here one hundred and eleven

1109
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,440
million dollars in future money off your books for Anything,

1110
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,840
davis do you at least consider it if like there

1111
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,800
are no other deals for like high value draft picks

1112
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:14,760
or young.

1113
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,679
Speaker 1: Players, look if you're saying that you get to the

1114
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,440
market for ad and that there just isn't a, market then,

1115
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,559
yeah you reached THE i just do you think there's

1116
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:30,039
a chance they can't even get anything really anything for?

1117
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:33,760
HIM i feel like that overstates the gravity of the

1118
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,119
situation maybe ten.

1119
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 3: Times well, no well So i'm not saying, that But

1120
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,960
i'm not closing the, door you know WHAT i. Mean like,

1121
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,559
It we're at that point now where nothing shocks me.

1122
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,800
Anymore like if we let's, say we come into the

1123
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,079
to the trade deadline and we hear his name being

1124
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,679
mentioned all the, time and we get continuous reports that

1125
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,800
The mavericks are exploring trade options but are not finding

1126
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,519
the return that they're looking. For that is not something

1127
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,440
that would shock me. Whatsoever quite the, opposite because, again

1128
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:10,400
the narrative Around, ad which is fairly, accurate is he's often,

1129
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,920
injured often unavailable for some inexplicable. Reason he decides THAT

1130
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,039
i want to be a power, forward not realizing that you,

1131
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:22,159
know that's, sure but you're better at center like him

1132
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,960
not even realizing his own best position is also quite.

1133
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,639
Speaker 2: Worrying So i'm just THINKING nba seems must be aware of.

1134
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,639
Speaker 3: This this is a guy who's earning thirty five percent

1135
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,679
of the, cap like full, blown you, know top to your?

1136
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Max are you really that attractive of an.

1137
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: Asset we've just gone through the damn, League, dan we

1138
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,800
can't really find. Anyone so if that deal is, there for, like,

1139
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,519
hey mass you're not going to get any draft, Picks

1140
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:53,960
you're not going to get any young, players but you

1141
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,960
aren't going to be able to just get him off

1142
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,039
the cap by twenty twenty six and all of. It

1143
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,079
i'm just not closing that door like you brought up

1144
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,880
The Washington wizards example of just you, know ripping off

1145
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:06,239
the band.

1146
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,639
Speaker 2: Aid that would.

1147
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,639
Speaker 1: It so here's an interesting way to wrap the ad. Discussion,

1148
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,440
then by the, way does Uh emmanuel quickly and Yaka

1149
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:19,320
peardle do anything for? You is A Dallas raptors? THERE

1150
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,719
i think The raptors probably say.

1151
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: No.

1152
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: Yeah so he's been having a rough, year AND i

1153
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,840
JUST i don't want to be wrong about, him BUT

1154
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,760
i Am i'm getting worried about. Quickly i'm really getting

1155
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,239
worried about it.

1156
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: Quickly the mamu a d front court would hit like. Cocaine,

1157
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,920
Though Colin Murray boyle's And ad, too comrade boys hitting

1158
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:42,280
some arc threes this year coming into his Rookie.

1159
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: I'm so glad he's actually. PLAYING i was afraid he wasn't.

1160
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: That what did we? SAY i think we both said

1161
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,599
AND i even said this To Samson folk when we

1162
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:50,199
were talking for Our. Raptors look at. IT i, Said

1163
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,039
i'm A Colin Murray. Boyles. GUY i wasn't A cmb

1164
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,400
on The, raptors, guy and Now i'm an see. IT

1165
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,920
cmb can be, Anywhere, GUY i just want to SEE.

1166
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,079
Cmb that's. Where that's Where i'm. At What i'll, Say,

1167
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,199
okay let's do this over under one and a half

1168
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,920
first round picks For Anthony. Davis in An Anthony davis,

1169
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,760
trade you're taking the. Under i'm gonna take the.

1170
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,239
Speaker 2: Over so, Well, okay let's just.

1171
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: Clarify first round pick is like a that's painting with

1172
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,519
a broad, brush right as?

1173
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,199
Speaker 2: Well, like what are we talking? Here are we talking About.

1174
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:26,519
Speaker 1: We're talking about a first round, pick.

1175
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: Protected, UNPROTECTED i projected to be, late projected to be.

1176
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:33,559
High what are we dealing with?

1177
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: Here let's say over under one and a half lottery

1178
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:42,679
protected or looser first round. Picks, well maybe even top

1179
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,239
ten protected or looser first round. Picks let's go top

1180
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,119
ten protected or. Looser i'll still take the over.

1181
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: There i'm gonna go.

1182
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: Under now are you baking in the fact, that, well

1183
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,760
maybe one of these teams will trade a prospect in

1184
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,159
only one first round? Pick or. Something so what about

1185
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,559
the equivalent of two first Round, okay.

1186
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: That's interesting that, yeah and again that depends on the

1187
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,199
value of the, prospect, Right, NO i mean you know,

1188
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:11,360
What i'm Fucking i'm gonna say, No i'm gonna say.

1189
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: Under and it's LIKE i might be. WRONG i just

1190
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,559
don't like the trade.

1191
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: VALUE i just don't and AND i could be very

1192
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,920
wrong about, this but, look he's A.

1193
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:22,679
Speaker 1: Lakers get.

1194
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: There he's played fourteen games For, dallas so it's not

1195
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,360
like he's been.

1196
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: Available first and, foremost what was it for The.

1197
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,599
Speaker 3: Laker he played seventy six games in.

1198
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:39,519
Speaker 2: Twenty three twenty.

1199
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: Four that was when we're all, like, oh look he's,

1200
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,519
healthy this is. Great and he went back to fifty

1201
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,400
one last. Year the year before the seventy. Six were

1202
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,639
all worried because that was fifty six games that it

1203
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:51,159
was forty forty six the year.

1204
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,519
Speaker 2: Before, like you just can't as AN nba.

1205
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,239
Speaker 3: Organization i'm just gonna go To Basketball reference and just

1206
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,639
go through. This so since his twenty eight twenty eight age,

1207
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:05,639
season he's played them just two hundred and twenty eight.

1208
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:10,519
Speaker 2: GAMES i can't ignore, That, DAN i. CAN'T i.

1209
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: CAN'T i don't think. AGAIN i as you, said, THOUGH

1210
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,280
i think it only takes one. Team BUT i want

1211
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,320
to undermine my own. Argument is really hard to come

1212
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,239
up with a team right now that you think should

1213
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:26,880
be going all out to Get Anthony. Davis and part

1214
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,840
of that is the. Injuries part of it's the. Age

1215
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,599
the other part is just his type of contract in

1216
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:33,320
the current salary cap.

1217
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: Climate Maybe i'm just sposed to get him To milwaukee

1218
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:41,800
so they can wave and stretch. Him they, can by the,

1219
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,920
WAY i know the. Rules they. Can't they're already maxed

1220
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,280
out on the.

1221
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: Account could they get it would take them if they

1222
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,400
wanted to trade for ad without giving up be, honest

1223
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,320
they would have to wait for trade restrictions to. Lift

1224
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,119
and it would still take three, players right Because Miles

1225
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:57,639
turner And Kyle kuzma doesn't or would that get you?

1226
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:02,599
Speaker 2: Too that is forty seven point.

1227
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Seven that's way closer THAN i. Thought, YEAH i underestimated

1228
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,679
how Much Miles turner was. Making yeah they.

1229
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: Can they can get.

1230
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: There they can get, THERE i, think right because they're

1231
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,119
not even over a single.

1232
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: Apron, yeah, yeah that could get. Them janna's.

1233
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: The one pick they could trade in twenty thirty one Is.

1234
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,159
Dallas Is dallas Taking?

1235
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:27,159
Speaker 2: MATT i mean if they're if If ad is going,

1236
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,360
OUT i think they're taking whatever draft pick they. CAN

1237
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,559
i mean that's Where i'm. MAD i might, AGAIN i

1238
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:35,559
might be, wrong BUT i just don't see what seems out,

1239
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,000
there just salivating at the. Idea what about The? Clippers

1240
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:38,880
can The clippers get?

1241
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,719
Speaker 1: There or do you want to play him next To?

1242
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,320
ZOO i Know zoo hasn't had the best, year BUT.

1243
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: I, mean, look he wants to be Before.

1244
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: James harden For Anthony davis challenge treble. Reap Oh kyrie And.

1245
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,599
Speaker 2: Harden oh, god that'd be that'd be amazingly. Stupid, NO

1246
01:00:57,679 --> 01:00:58,400
i can't get there.

1247
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:04,039
Speaker 1: There, okay let's wrap with. This my favorite theoretical Destination

1248
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,679
Ranthony davis recognize that it's never gonna. Happen Is memphis

1249
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,840
Looking Brandy davis, Specifically, yeah that's. Mine what's?

1250
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,679
Speaker 2: Yours my best theoretical.

1251
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: The?

1252
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,079
Speaker 2: Bulls, no, no, no, no that's.

1253
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:21,719
Speaker 3: No like, again he wouldn't be fun on teams where

1254
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,119
we don't really know where they. Are LIKE i understand

1255
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:27,559
your point earlier about The, knicks, though but like a

1256
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,079
healthy ad In New york instead of towns defensively would

1257
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:33,239
be interesting.

1258
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: That you would do to their.

1259
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,199
Speaker 3: Offense, yes that was exactly WHERE i was getting, To

1260
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:44,119
like where would that? Go perhaps my most interesting like theoretical.

1261
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,360
Fit And i'm not sure how they get. THERE i

1262
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,840
don't think there's really an, opportunity but they don't have

1263
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,000
to be patient.

1264
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: With a thirty two year old who is like super

1265
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:52,960
inchent all the.

1266
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,679
Speaker 3: Time might be The pacers just for When Tyrese haliburton.

1267
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Comes, back so you're running the plan would be to

1268
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:08,039
run him With siakam And. Haliburton mm. Hmm The pacers

1269
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,000
are footing the bill for that.

1270
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,679
Speaker 2: Trade that's the thing they're probably, not but like at

1271
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,000
least easier to make that trade over the off season as,

1272
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,679
Well like you can use nim hard topping like you,

1273
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:21,760
can you can probably get there over the off.

1274
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: Season do you Think Troy weaver can Talk Joe dumars

1275
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,119
into doing it In New orleans like A zion for

1276
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,840
A d. Challenge zion could Come, uh A d could come.

1277
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,920
In he could play power forward next To Derek.

1278
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,599
Speaker 3: QUEEN i, mean he knows the, city he's, around he's been.

1279
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:42,880
AROUND i think.

1280
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,039
Speaker 1: That's that's enough On Anthony, Davis what do you think

1281
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:50,400
happens With? Kyrie, like do you if you're The. MAVs

1282
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:51,679
i think there's a couple of things they could. Do

1283
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,760
they could just trade him while he's, injured before he comes,

1284
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,159
back they could bring it, back and if he comes

1285
01:02:57,159 --> 01:02:59,599
back before the trade, deadline hope he increases his. Value

1286
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,840
they could bring him back whenever he comes, back hopes

1287
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,679
he increases the value for himself over the off, season

1288
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:07,920
or they just don't bring him. Back what's the right

1289
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,239
way to Handle kyrie in the context of what the

1290
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:11,320
mass are going to look like from?

1291
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,599
Speaker 2: Here if they're going to, sang which they, should there's no.

1292
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 3: Rush so you Sit kyrie, down you're, saying, look if

1293
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,480
you want to come back this, year that is, Okay

1294
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,280
but we would strongly encourage you to just take the

1295
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,360
time that you need and to just make sure that

1296
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,360
everything is, right like everything just don't be afraid to

1297
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,920
take your. Time that would also benefit. Us but if

1298
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,239
it's rate offer jumps up in the meantime and someone is, like, Oh,

1299
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,000
kyrie we might be able to Get. Kyrie you explore,

1300
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,199
That but, AGAIN i JUST i don't see who out

1301
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:51,480
there is like super willing to go out of the

1302
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:53,800
way to give up a significant package for a guy

1303
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,480
who just had an aclsair at the each of what fordy.

1304
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,599
Speaker 2: Two, yep THERE'S i don't know.

1305
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,199
Speaker 1: That could that be another job For? Kyrie challenge trade

1306
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:07,079
is That memphis is on getting. Healthier you could go

1307
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,000
that route. Too i'm just gonna keep Naming memphis.

1308
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,679
Speaker 3: Scenarios Anythink davis And kyrie irving For john willrand And

1309
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,679
Jared Jackson junior get it, done just swap?

1310
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Issues Would minnesota could they do something to where then they, say,

1311
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,760
well wait For kyrie to come back and bank on

1312
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:21,840
this working next.

1313
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,519
Speaker 3: Times Just minnesota is definitely the, team aren't?

1314
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:29,159
Speaker 1: They, WELL i think when you're thinking about the potential,

1315
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:31,199
package they're decidedly not the team BECAUSE i.

1316
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: Just don't, know, no but like seem. Interested, sorry, yeah you're.

1317
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:36,679
Speaker 1: Right because are you? GETTING i think if you're Getting,

1318
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,960
kyrie you probably should be Trading Julius. Randall but if

1319
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,639
you don't know When kyrie is coming, back how do

1320
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,519
you Trade Julius? Randall your offense is already you, know

1321
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,760
your offense Been their offense has been buying large good this.

1322
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,800
Year But Julius randall is kind of a big reason.

1323
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: Why, WELL i, mean it's the mass and they like love,

1324
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,519
defense help about a very?

1325
01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,559
Speaker 1: Bear what Is minnesota? Doing and then there's you would

1326
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,159
Have Kyrie Julius randall and then a nas. Read i'd

1327
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:05,360
be curious what that defense looks.

1328
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: Like who? Cares we hop fair?

1329
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,599
Speaker 1: Enough fair? ENOUGH i, Can't.

1330
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: Jade, McDaniels your responsibility level just increased.

1331
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:24,039
Speaker 1: Dramatically what about Would detroit look at that as the

1332
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,440
guy playing next To? Kaide?

1333
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: No why should? They that would be awful timeline, wise

1334
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,840
not even sure like how he would fit In LIKE

1335
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,320
i don't get me, Wrong kyrie is obviously better Than

1336
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,880
jade And ivy by a significant.

1337
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: Margin before the. Injury we have no idea what the

1338
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,239
guy looks. Like right, now we have absolutely no.

1339
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: IDEA i wouldn't go nuclear for. Him but if it's

1340
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,280
money and the mat was, like, hey we're just looking

1341
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,920
to get off salary here and it was a protected

1342
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,320
first round, PICK i don't. KNOW i might fel LIKE

1343
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,599
i honestly Think kyrie and k would be a divine

1344
01:05:56,639 --> 01:06:00,599
fit offensively. Together get everything you're saying is. CORRECT i

1345
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,719
want to make that. Clear IF i were The pistons

1346
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,159
push comes to. Shove i'm not doing, it But i'm

1347
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:07,320
Just i'm just asking questions and naming.

1348
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: Destinations, no but like if you're getting That, kyrie The

1349
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:13,039
kyrie we, know, yeah, absolutely then you're, right that would be.

1350
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: Interesting The pistons would be a. Team though when you're

1351
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,559
looking at, it, WELL i mean the timber woles have

1352
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:20,199
fallen With umbrella. Too is when Is kyrie coming? Back

1353
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:22,880
because you are trading for someone who you don't there

1354
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:26,000
the teams that are willing to give up something For

1355
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,400
kyrie right now is probably not an extensive. List that

1356
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,440
list is going to shrink even further if you either

1357
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,280
don't know when he's coming back or if you're acquiring

1358
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,639
him under the guys that he isn't coming back until next.

1359
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:39,599
Speaker 3: Year what about A Jamal murray Seek nashi For kyrie?

1360
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:44,480
Deal but, again that's just such a, gamble giving that's a.

1361
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: Gamble And Jamal murray's passing has been really good Without

1362
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,480
jokic on the floor of this, Year.

1363
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,599
Speaker 2: He's been fine this.

1364
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: Year so it's, Like i'm just asking, Questions, Stan.

1365
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:56,719
Speaker 1: You're, right what About so they're they're clearly probably realigning

1366
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:02,280
themselves for next, Season but It's Fred VanVleet salary picks

1367
01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:05,599
For kyrie or maybe Does red Van fleet do it?

1368
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:07,360
ALONE i. DON'T i haven't. Looked you'd have to look

1369
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:07,559
at that.

1370
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: Math But houston did that relationship?

1371
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: END i MEAN kd seemed. Fine it was him And

1372
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,679
hardened that wrong and that went?

1373
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:22,039
Speaker 2: Wrong, yeah that did not. End, well.

1374
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,199
Speaker 1: That's maybe should we Throw sacramento in here so they

1375
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:27,320
can get another guard on the roster who's.

1376
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: Not noticed With.

1377
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,159
Speaker 3: HOUSTON i actually liked that one because So Van lee

1378
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:36,840
is twenty five. Million then you at What Dorian Phinney smith.

1379
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,079
Speaker 1: That's probably the that's THE i, mean what other REAL i.

1380
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,280
DON'T i don't want to Call Dorian Finney smith, filler

1381
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,599
but like what other real filler salary do they? Like? Shepherd, obviously,

1382
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,199
well hold, on, Ree shepherd's on kind of a heater right,

1383
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:50,599
now let's.

1384
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,679
Speaker 3: RELAX i just, Look oh you, Know i'm. Kidding i'm

1385
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:55,320
going to write about him over. It yeahoo're here in

1386
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,119
a couple, Days so, RELAX i got.

1387
01:07:57,199 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: You he Should he's he's one of the. PLAYERS i

1388
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,000
Think alpha And shangun is materially, elevating but it would

1389
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,679
AND i think you would need, this one would need

1390
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:07,239
like a third team because of both of these teams' financial.

1391
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:13,800
Situation But kyrie's at thirty six, Five very's twenty. Five oh,

1392
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,399
man that's pretty. Close that's thirty seven to seven Versus

1393
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,800
so it would take Something, ailien but that would be

1394
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,039
that plus. Picks does that.

1395
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:23,560
Speaker 2: Mean that like assuming picks like?

1396
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: That AM i? Wrong like?

1397
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,359
Speaker 3: These so with A d And, Kyrie i'm probably? Wrong

1398
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,920
BUT i WHEN i look at their, age WHEN i

1399
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,560
look at their injury, histories WHEN i look at, everything

1400
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,520
AM i just being way too harsh in SAYING i

1401
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,640
don't want to relinquish like first round picks for either.

1402
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: GUY i think if you were sitting here saying there's

1403
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:47,720
no team that should Touch Kyrie irving the basketball player

1404
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,560
with one hundred foot, poll that would be an. Extreme

1405
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,399
BUT i think everything the conversation we're having now to

1406
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,239
me is at least this is very just in Struct

1407
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,239
these are what the conversations front offices are going to be.

1408
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,439
Having you have to weigh the risk reward, profile and

1409
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,560
that profile is inherently different because he's, older because of his,

1410
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,279
contract and most of all because of the injury he's

1411
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,159
working his way.

1412
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: Back From, YEAH i JUST.

1413
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 3: I would feel queasy giving up significant draft capital for

1414
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:17,800
either of those.

1415
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: GUYS i was thinking more of so for like a With,

1416
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,680
KYRIE i thought like a pick From. HUGHES I, again

1417
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,039
if you're The, maverick you might sit there and, say,

1418
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:26,720
well that's why we're not going to Trade kyrie right,

1419
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,000
now because that's all we're gonna.

1420
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:34,319
Speaker 3: Get so For, KYRIE i HAVEN'T i have some place

1421
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,000
that's that's potentially.

1422
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1423
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 3: No but ALTHOUGH i do get your thinking, there how

1424
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:47,760
About orlando Sugs those contracts are like.

1425
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: FLIPPABLE i Think orlando would say no because what is

1426
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,960
THE i Think orlando says no because you're still trying

1427
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:02,359
to to figure out The Bain Palo franz of it.

1428
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:05,119
All now you're gonna Throw kyrie we all know like

1429
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:08,199
he's Someone actually a bunch of other people might solve.

1430
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,920
It but, man THAT'S i did not think of that. One,

1431
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,520
wow there's no way that ONLY i know would consider

1432
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:17,880
it after going all in For, bain.

1433
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: RIGHT i, mean, LOOK i Like jalen sucks a fair,

1434
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,560
bit AND i think he's been good this year in

1435
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,239
very limited. Minutes by the, way too many e turnal,

1436
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:30,880
wars so what the?

1437
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,159
Speaker 1: Hell but saying about the magic in.

1438
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,239
Speaker 3: General, yeah, yeah but, like, look maybe it's also part

1439
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:40,000
of what Like i'm, Not i'm not out on the

1440
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,840
polo experience as like the number league number one. GUY

1441
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,000
i spoke about this on an earlier show with With,

1442
01:10:45,039 --> 01:10:50,680
Brian but, LIKE i am questioning whether he's got like

1443
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,039
that top to your playmaking capability where you're like you

1444
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,159
can trust that the offense is gonna throw go through.

1445
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:00,720
HIM i still think his team has off of. Issues

1446
01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:05,680
if you're getting A kyrie who is just eighty percent

1447
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,079
of who he used to, be WHICH i think at

1448
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:11,000
his age considering the gravity of the, injury.

1449
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,039
Speaker 2: Would be a.

1450
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 3: Win it's not a bad like inclusion. There so you're Running,

1451
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,560
Kyrie Baine Franz, polo And Wendell carter in the starting,

1452
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,199
Lineup i'm seeing some upside there at.

1453
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:29,520
Speaker 1: Least, YEAH i don't know Why I'm i'm just harping. On,

1454
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,920
okay well who is left after? That the silvasuming one.

1455
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,880
Deal but that's What i'm saying Is i'm not crazy

1456
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,840
about their depth that's currently. Constructed all, Right but you're not.

1457
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,319
Speaker 3: HURT i mean, again you're not hurting the Depth, again

1458
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,000
if you're you're Getting, kyrie you.

1459
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,279
Speaker 1: Are Getting, well you're not Because kyrie and well one

1460
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:53,600
you might be because how available Is. KYRIE i Know

1461
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,119
suggs is dealt with his own, issues but you. Are

1462
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,399
you're certainly diluting your defensive depth.

1463
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 3: Here, okay, Sure but if there's a team out there

1464
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,800
THAT i actually trust to figure OUT i know it's

1465
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,079
been rough defensively this year compared to two previous, Seasons

1466
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:10,880
but if there's a team out THERE i kind of

1467
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,880
trust to figure out their, defense it's probably A, orlando.

1468
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:19,199
Honestly and at the same, Time i'm gonna repeat. MYSELF

1469
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,439
i feel like LIKE i say this every single, episode

1470
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,399
but like we've got to remember something, Here, dan it's

1471
01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:25,920
the team with the most points at the end of

1472
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,079
the game that. Wins like that's point. Production point generation

1473
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,399
is sort of the, YEAH i think point.

1474
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,239
Speaker 1: HERE i don't hate the logic on your, part it

1475
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:39,800
just seems too far out there for the magic is

1476
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,560
probably What i'm struggling to wrap my head. Around and

1477
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,159
by the, way If I'm, DALLAS i might jump at

1478
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:45,760
the one for one train AND i Know sugs doesn't

1479
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,479
do anything to kind of simplify your life With cooper

1480
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,199
Flipp BUT i mean talk about building a defensive behemoth

1481
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,520
with sugs and flag And Max. Christie If Derek wively

1482
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,479
is still, THERE. Pj, Washington Naujie, marshall is that really

1483
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,680
that bad?

1484
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: Offense, No i'm Just i'm just based the trade. Itself

1485
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:04,279
is it really that?

1486
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: Unhinged If i'm in a Vacuum i'm thinking about. IT

1487
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,600
i don't Think orlando gives it a second of. Thought

1488
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,600
that's where Maybe i'm. Wrong if we Have magic, fans

1489
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,239
they could they could correct us.

1490
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 3: There so there's one point THAT i feel is very

1491
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:25,399
important to note. Here Jalen sucks's contract is, descending so

1492
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,319
it's gonna be like better and better and.

1493
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:29,159
Speaker 2: Better that in and of itself is an.

1494
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 3: Asset SO i Think Orlando magic fans would rightfully point, Out,

1495
01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:37,039
look his cap percentage is going to decline every single.

1496
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:42,840
Year that alone is worth additional. Compensation i'm not against

1497
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,000
that logic. WHATSOEVER i think that's that's a fair.

1498
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: Point If I'm, dallas, though my pushback would, Be i'm not,

1499
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:50,800
like you want The lakers first With kyrie so that

1500
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,800
we can Get Jalen suggs they might be writing at

1501
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,640
that and saying it's.

1502
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,079
Speaker 2: That's that's where it might be an.

1503
01:13:56,079 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 3: Issue, no but like And i'm really struggling to come

1504
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,600
up with like teams, here like The.

1505
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: Kings this is where we can talk about The. Kings

1506
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,039
this is where we can talk about the.

1507
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: Games i'm, sorry there might be a fun. One we

1508
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:12,840
have to get. Out what what About?

1509
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:18,039
Speaker 2: Toronto let me see If i'm getting your logic.

1510
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:23,159
Speaker 3: Here so it's quickly and well just. Quickly maybe, no

1511
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:24,760
they can't do that because that will get take them

1512
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,079
into the first apron so quickly and something they could.

1513
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: Do, that OR i, mean you could give Up, barrett

1514
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,119
he's had a good. Season there you, Are you're it's

1515
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:37,079
funny because quick But Kyrie's he's not. THIS i want

1516
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:38,800
to be, Clear he's not the. Same but it just

1517
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,960
doesn't it sound bizarre to Add kyrie to a team

1518
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,640
where we were worried about there being kind of too

1519
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,520
many odd ball cooks in the. KITCHEN i don't think

1520
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,920
it would be as big of a. CONCERN i think

1521
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,000
he'd be perfect for, THEM, yea to be, honest.

1522
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah because he's got off ball. Capabilities he's a good. Shooter, yeah, yeah,

1523
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:57,159
YEAH i don't hate. THAT i, AGAIN i so it's buried,

1524
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,359
Instead so you want to BE.

1525
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: I think it's. PROBABLY i think it would be quickly is?

1526
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,279
Speaker 2: Right so quickly and Like Jacoby, WALTER.

1527
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,279
Speaker 1: I don't. Know If I'm, TORONTO i might say, no.

1528
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:13,399
Speaker 2: You could because it's To. Kobe he Should.

1529
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: Maybe i'm just married to what he showed as a.

1530
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,680
Rookie what about because he's gonna get? Paid Maybe toronto

1531
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,840
does want to be the one doing the pay With

1532
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,840
akbajie And.

1533
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: Quickly, NO i, yeah that's.

1534
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: Fine does that? WORK i Think dallas is taking on too. Much,

1535
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:27,920
yeah you can't do.

1536
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: That, yeah you might NEED i mean, THERE i think

1537
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,239
you might need to take on another team. Here but, okay,

1538
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:37,319
yeah that's like, Yeah and the parameters are just they're

1539
01:15:37,399 --> 01:15:39,359
the numbers are close enough that it shouldn't be hard

1540
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,880
to rope in another team to make. It so you're,

1541
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,840
Saying Jacoby walter and quickly, works but Ak bajie and

1542
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:48,520
quickly does not have?

1543
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,520
Speaker 3: Much well, well, actually actually hang on because it might not.

1544
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 2: Work let's. See, no it will, work, yeah, barely but

1545
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,520
like that works.

1546
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: Whatever if it doesn't rope another that's, MAN i throw

1547
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,600
that'd be wild and toronto with. It that they'll all to.

1548
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,720
Say this is a very hard, exercise and it's probably

1549
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,560
easier to sit and, say, oh The MAVs need to start,

1550
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,680
Over but they need to start. Over AND i Think

1551
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,079
i'm with you in the sense THAT i think there

1552
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:17,960
needs to be a bit of urgency with, it or

1553
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,880
at least there needs to be a. Commitment maybe it's

1554
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,840
not blowing up the entire, thing BUT i would like

1555
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,880
to see them do something to Streamline Cooper flagg's life

1556
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,640
on one side of the or Optimize Cooper flag's life

1557
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,960
on even one side of the, Floor, like let's get

1558
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,359
to if you're not gonna make these big, moves put

1559
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,560
him in the defensive role that you think he's going

1560
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,039
to be in for the next fifteen, years and then

1561
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:43,760
you just build out that around him or offensively do

1562
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,920
what you. Can this would this is the part that's

1563
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,439
so easier said than. Done try to surround him with,

1564
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,920
shooting try to get you really should try a trade

1565
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,079
for another ball, handler because even, then if he's your

1566
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,840
kind of tertiary ball, handler those are reps that will be. Valuable,

1567
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,399
NOW i think at this point or what they've done

1568
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,479
for a lot of this. Season they've probably overtaxed him

1569
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,119
in a way THAT i don't know how beneficial it.

1570
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:07,800
Is and if you wanted to use him this, WAY

1571
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,720
i think you needed to have a lot better floor

1572
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,760
balance around him than they've had thus.

1573
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 3: Far imagine for a, moment if ownership group In dallas

1574
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,159
is thinking of this upside down than we. Are we're

1575
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:24,640
all here sitting here, presuming oh, yeah they're gonna build

1576
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:25,239
Around Cooper.

1577
01:17:25,279 --> 01:17:26,119
Speaker 2: Flag this is their.

1578
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:31,119
Speaker 3: Future consider if their next manaturial, signing they're like trying to, Say.

1579
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: Okay how do we accelerate this? Thing like what can

1580
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:34,159
we get For? Flag could you?

1581
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:39,199
Speaker 1: No here's well, OKAY? WHOA i hope THAT i would go,

1582
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:43,199
there BUT i was gonna like part of the issue

1583
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:47,159
here is that they have to have the stomach to

1584
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:50,039
redo this thing while not having the payoff in the

1585
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,640
draft unless they're getting any of their own selections. Back

1586
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,960
and so what you're saying, about are they sitting here

1587
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,800
trying to accelerate? IT i doubt highly doubt they're having

1588
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,159
their should we trade The COOPER fa?

1589
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: Conversation OH i was, kidding but that would be hilarious

1590
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,239
if that was the, Case but is.

1591
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: There a chance they're having that well how do we

1592
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:11,159
get really good by the start of next season? Conversation

1593
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:13,520
because they don't control their own draft, Picks and that's

1594
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,680
a dangerous way to look at things because it might

1595
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,640
force you to act. Impulsively, again what can.

1596
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,199
Speaker 2: We get For Derek? Lively you? Mean, yeah, YEAH i.

1597
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:27,239
Speaker 1: Don't, Okay i'm gonna say. Something i'm just asking. Questions

1598
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:31,319
is that very much impulsive at this? Point if you

1599
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:33,479
were to just trade him for second round? Picks, Yes

1600
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,399
but do you View Derek lively AS i. DON'T i

1601
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:41,079
View Cooper flagg as the only legitimate. QUARTERSTONE i Love

1602
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:43,079
Derek lively and what he looks like at his, Peak

1603
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:45,039
but if you tell me that he's going to be

1604
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,079
healthy the rest of the, season, okay sure we can

1605
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:50,439
have that conversation without that. ASSURANCE i do think that,

1606
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,359
Him Max, CHRISTY. Pj, washington these are all really good.

1607
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:58,000
Players but to, me just given where The MAVs are,

1608
01:18:58,039 --> 01:18:58,560
at they're also.

1609
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: FUNGIBLE i get he's twenty. One that's Why i'm like,

1610
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:06,279
hesitant like, You.

1611
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm not SAYING i don't think you seek out

1612
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,800
trades For derek or use him as a throw in

1613
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,039
to get. Off but, again an example to circle back

1614
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:16,960
would be If charlotte came calling and, said we'll give

1615
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,720
you back your twenty twenty seven pick For Derek.

1616
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 2: Lively that's a, Conversation, yes, yeah, right it.

1617
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: Is it is because despite how GOOD i think he

1618
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,600
can't be in despite the fact that he's so young

1619
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,159
THAT i think he can overcome like his injury. Pattern you're,

1620
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:33,159
right like having control of your own draft picks as

1621
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,359
soon as you Drafted Cooper flag is going to be.

1622
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,039
Essential this is WHERE i think ultimately they're going to

1623
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,800
come up short when they're going to go into like

1624
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,439
the trade, season before the trade, deadline they're probably gonna

1625
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,960
go to teams and, say, well we'll give You kyrie

1626
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:50,680
And Anthony davis if you can get our pickbacks or picks,

1627
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,319
back and seams are gonna just he want us to

1628
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:58,000
get those picks for you for those. Guys SO i

1629
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,359
think that's where they're gonna come up short if they

1630
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:03,279
can do that With Derek. Lively, Though, yeah it's a,

1631
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:08,199
conversation and if that hornet situation is is, feasible they

1632
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,760
should look into that like They but you're right, though

1633
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,239
if they can't do, that and they're trying to not,

1634
01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:15,600
accelerate but like trying to win as many games as

1635
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,560
possible this year just because they don't control their own

1636
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,600
draft pick moving forward or, wait are saying they control

1637
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,399
their own draft pick this, year so like they wouldn't

1638
01:20:23,399 --> 01:20:25,680
it wouldn't even behoove them to be bad here in

1639
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:27,399
twenty five twenty six.

1640
01:20:27,319 --> 01:20:30,039
Speaker 1: Though, no it would they have their own draft pick this,

1641
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:30,439
year so.

1642
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah so so yeah that's, why or say you

1643
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,439
wouldn't prove them to get. Better, sorry that was WHAT

1644
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,399
i was gonna. Say oh, yeah it would behoove them

1645
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,800
to be bad this. Year but like moving, forward like

1646
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,760
how do they get those picks? Back like if they

1647
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,840
can get The charlotte pick, back that's one, Thing but

1648
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:46,840
like twenty eight.

1649
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 1: Is Oklahoma CITY i think controls that, one and they're

1650
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,199
not gonna what do they want that The, MAVs but

1651
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:54,760
do they want like well The dallas be, like, hey

1652
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,800
we'll give you our twenty and thirty one first round

1653
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,359
pick for the rights to our in twenty eight first.

1654
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,159
ROUND i don't know that's that'd be weird if You're Oklahoma.

1655
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:09,479
CITY i think it, WELL i don't know. That if

1656
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,840
If dallas makes that offer in Your oklahoma, city are

1657
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,920
you saying yes or? No two thousand and thirty one

1658
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:14,840
for twenty twenty?

1659
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: Eight how old is coup at that you have.

1660
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: To you probably just say, no right just because you're

1661
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,000
deeper into flags prime at that.

1662
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,159
Speaker 3: Point, yeah and you need the assets you need to

1663
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:26,800
cost controlled assets at that point in.

1664
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Time, YEAH i think you.

1665
01:21:28,039 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 3: DO i just, noticed, like is It dallas that has

1666
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,680
the swap For San antonio in twenty twenty?

1667
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 2: Thirty is it them that have the? Rights?

1668
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah they, Have, no it's to San. Antonio San antonio

1669
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,960
has The dallas swap or Minute, no, no, hoop that

1670
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,520
one is San. Antonio, no, no San antonio has the

1671
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:51,119
right to swap With.

1672
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:58,279
Speaker 3: Dallas, okay so there's there's something interesting there as, Well

1673
01:21:58,439 --> 01:21:59,960
like what can they give The spurs to get that?

1674
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: Pickback can they give them? Anything? NOW i don't.

1675
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i, MEAN i Guess MAX christi would make. Sense

1676
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,359
i'm just stopping The. Spurs i'm not itching to give

1677
01:22:09,359 --> 01:22:13,600
that up for anything less than a coil for. Flower

1678
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:14,439
wasn't gonna go that.

1679
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: Far but, yeah, no, no that's the only interesting asset right.

1680
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,279
Now that you probably pull that up.

1681
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:23,039
Speaker 1: For they do have this language is the finicking. Languages

1682
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:26,159
So houston is part of Giving brooklyn its picks. Back

1683
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,960
they get this is in twenty twenty, nine they get

1684
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,800
the two most favorable of their own twenty nine first round,

1685
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,359
Pick dallas's twenty nine first round pick And phoenix's twenty

1686
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,880
nine first round. Pick so are you Giving dallas an

1687
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,000
end of? That could that do? Something but, again what

1688
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:45,199
do you want that does that part of the is

1689
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:48,079
that the compensation and The kyrie trade relaid. Out it's

1690
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:52,439
that nibble of the pick Plus Van vliet And Dorian

1691
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,239
Phinney smith and if there needs to be anything else

1692
01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:55,359
to make.

1693
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: That that's, interesting that's. Interesting.

1694
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, AGAIN i think any team that's rebuilding where

1695
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,720
they have potentially given up the farm in previous, years

1696
01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:06,760
those are the deals that you have to seek.

1697
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,520
Speaker 2: Out we're getting the picks Back like.

1698
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,119
Speaker 3: This is Why i've always been a, little you, know

1699
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:16,279
skeptical of giving up the farm for guys who aren't,

1700
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:21,840
necessarily you, know ALL nba first team caliber, Players because

1701
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,640
when you're sitting in this situation and you've just routinely

1702
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,960
given out, picks it's it's got to be so frustrating

1703
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,720
to go to like five or six teams and, go can.

1704
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,399
Speaker 2: We have our pick?

1705
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: Back?

1706
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,399
Speaker 2: Please, like let's try to find a deal that that

1707
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:36,800
has to be infuriatingly.

1708
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,239
Speaker 1: Frustrating and how often does it? HAPPEN i, mean The

1709
01:23:41,279 --> 01:23:44,520
Brooklyn houston thing was an anomaly Because brooklyn with. Themselves

1710
01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:47,720
but it's when have we seen these other teams kind

1711
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,800
of come in to give these other teams their picks

1712
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,680
back to help a third team or for whatever get the.

1713
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,880
Player that's what makes it all because, look use it

1714
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,439
as an. Example if You're houston in the trade we,

1715
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,439
outlined you're getting something big as part of. That but

1716
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,840
if You're, charlotte like Knowing Derek hive was extension, eligible

1717
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,159
knowing he's played in under one hundred games for his,

1718
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:09,960
career and you still, do by the, way you stilln't

1719
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,880
even really know what he looks like independent of an elite.

1720
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:17,079
Playmaker so why would you give Back Dallas is twenty

1721
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:17,600
twenty seven?

1722
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,319
Speaker 2: Picked, Yeah it's it's a fair.

1723
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: Question AND i think that is where the teams that

1724
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,439
have gotten those picks are pretty. Wise now they're, like,

1725
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,199
no if you want that, pickback you've got to give

1726
01:24:28,279 --> 01:24:32,159
up something of significant, value and you can't because you're

1727
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:33,279
bad for a, reason.

1728
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Which is Why i'm. Trying i'm really going to be

1729
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,479
fascinated to watch how The mavericks operate, then regardless of

1730
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,720
who's in, charge as we lead in to the trade,

1731
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,479
deadline BECAUSE i think there's going to be something subtle

1732
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,359
AND i won't even say it needs to be huge

1733
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,159
in the vein of they Shopped Anthony, davis so they

1734
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:53,239
actually traded, him but there needs to be some sort

1735
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:56,560
we've kind of The charlotte. Indicator remember when it was

1736
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,520
they TRADED. Pj washington to The mavericks and it was.

1737
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:03,840
Okay this front office isn't going to play the short

1738
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,479
game as much as the previous, regime And dallas's situation

1739
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,000
is even more fascinating because they don't control so many

1740
01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:13,399
of their first round picks moving. Forward i'm looking for

1741
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,560
a hint of anything over the next few months that

1742
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:21,439
shows they're prepared to weather this storm and rebuild Around

1743
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,359
Cooper flag independent of whether they do have their draft

1744
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:28,800
picks or. Not AND i won't say if Both kyrie

1745
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,479
And Anthony davis are on the roster pass the trade,

1746
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,680
deadline that that proves they're. Not but it. Does If, davis,

1747
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,880
specifically just because he's not dealing with AN acl type

1748
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,479
injury Like Kyrie, is is still on this team and

1749
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,359
they haven't made any other, Moves you're gonna sit there

1750
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:47,199
and wonder do they really believe that they can just

1751
01:25:47,239 --> 01:25:49,520
get a high pick this year and come back next

1752
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,760
year and kind of pick up Where Nico harrison left.

1753
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:58,079
Speaker 2: Off, basically it's a good. QUESTION i don't have an

1754
01:25:58,079 --> 01:25:59,479
answer for. THAT i don't.

1755
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,079
Speaker 1: KNOW i, MEAN i think Maybe i'm giving them too.

1756
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:04,720
Much i'm not giving them the benefit of the. Doubts

1757
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,479
so Maybe i'm just an. Idiot it is the better

1758
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,640
way to couch. THIS i think that they're not going

1759
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,680
to go and short circuit this thing after this. YEAR

1760
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,039
i don't think they're gonna look at this as a

1761
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:18,960
one year gap year. THING i would assume That dumont,

1762
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,159
specifically or even more, importantly let's Say Michael Finley, riccardi

1763
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,920
they're in the running to have the permanent. Responsibilities Right finley,

1764
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,239
specifically just being around this organization for as long as

1765
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,760
he has even as a, player probably understands that this

1766
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,039
isn't going to. Work but the bigger thing might be

1767
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:38,880
this is a nice way to book end, it because

1768
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,600
we talked about this at the. Top whoever's in, charge

1769
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:43,960
this might be more of an off season. Thing do

1770
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,680
they have the power to change the head? Coach and

1771
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,359
if they, don't that might say all we need to

1772
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,279
know about where what direction the mats are. Headed but

1773
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:56,479
the right, one the right direction is the same as

1774
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,399
it was Post Luka dancis. Trade that's. Done you have

1775
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,399
to move. On it's lost. Money it never should have been,

1776
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,680
done but it's. Done if you were gonna move, him

1777
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,560
it should have been to. Rebuild they. Didn't they got

1778
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,319
A mulligan opportunity when they won the draft. Lottery they

1779
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:15,119
still haven't taken. It they need to kind of take it,

1780
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,199
now and that is the. Move you're not gonna own

1781
01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:21,640
your own picks moving, forward AND i would say they

1782
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,680
could maybe get one of those picks. Back maybe you

1783
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,279
just have to come to terms that you're not going

1784
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:30,039
to get all of them, back and that you need

1785
01:27:30,039 --> 01:27:33,800
to do everything in your power to optimize the roster

1786
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,920
Around Cooper flag with the, tools with the resources that you.

1787
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:41,159
Have easier said than done is the. CLICHE i do

1788
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:43,479
think they'll ultimately end up. There even if they don't

1789
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,760
push the implosion button this, year necessarily that has to

1790
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,560
be where this is, headed because otherwise it's WHY i

1791
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,399
don't wanna, say why get rid Of? Nico but do

1792
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,279
you really think that you, know there's a chance we

1793
01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:57,439
might have been better Without luca if it Wasn't nico

1794
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:58,119
running the.

1795
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,279
Speaker 2: Show, NO.

1796
01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 3: I think it's so important actually just to wrap this,

1797
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:08,439
up because they have their own twenty six pick that

1798
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,560
they just lean majorly into this year in terms of

1799
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,439
like getting the highest upside, pick because this is another

1800
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,680
strong draft. Class we know that so many teams identified

1801
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,199
twenty five and twenty six as to two years to

1802
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:24,840
have top draft. Picks if The mavericks go out in

1803
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:30,239
during the tradeline and, say, well, look let's just give

1804
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:33,840
it one more, Shot kyrie's coming, back eighty is healthy.

1805
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,239
Again Cooper flack has now played forty five forty games

1806
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:42,720
like let's let's ramp this, up let's go out get another, Guy,

1807
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,840
dan and Then i'm just out And i'm just.

1808
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: OUT i get. That it just that would be the.

1809
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,399
Speaker 3: Worst decision you could possibly, make because then if you

1810
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,600
end up winning forty, five forty, eight forty, nine wins

1811
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,680
and you're like stuck in the back half of the

1812
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,640
lottery and you don't really have a chance for. It

1813
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,880
Darren peter's like a real chance or at Ah dbonsa or.

1814
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,800
Whatever where are you going from? There like this twenty

1815
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,680
twenty six, draft it sounds so weird when you just

1816
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,520
had the number one pick in twenty twenty five With

1817
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,920
cooper Fla cooper Flag and Now i'm sitting here saying

1818
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:20,720
twenty twenty six might be the most important draft clash

1819
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:21,960
for them moving, forward but it.

1820
01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Is it's the only one they have unrettered access to

1821
01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:27,119
until twenty thirty.

1822
01:29:27,119 --> 01:29:31,319
Speaker 3: One and also the, quality it's just it's so high,

1823
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,640
End like if you just get a top three draft

1824
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:39,359
pick next, year you're pretty, golden just in terms of

1825
01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:42,720
having two guys moving forward who you can build around

1826
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,119
instead of, one like that gives you some, leeway that

1827
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:49,439
gives you some, opportunities and if you somehow could finagle

1828
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,000
whether It's Derek, Lively i'm coming to terms with. It

1829
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:56,920
as you can hear for the pickback in twenty twenty,

1830
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,319
seven if there's something you can do to get that pick,

1831
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:03,439
back all, right, great, great.

1832
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,560
Speaker 1: You can make the case that is the most single

1833
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,560
most important pick to get, back because then it gives

1834
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:11,119
you three Consecutive yeah, drafts including this past, one of

1835
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,239
having your own first round. Pick this is all to, say,

1836
01:30:14,279 --> 01:30:17,039
though on The Nico harrison, front this was the right.

1837
01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:20,079
Decision it was probably an overdue, decision but it was

1838
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:23,119
also the easy. Decision and what matters more is literally

1839
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,600
everything that comes next.

1840
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: In Ordership yeah moret.

1841
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: Are you able to tell our listeners where they can

1842
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,560
find you and all the fantastic work that you.

1843
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,239
Speaker 3: Do i'm not gonna be able to tell people literally

1844
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,319
where they can find, me because that'd be, creepy but

1845
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,680
they can find my work at least Or Red Yahoo

1846
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,920
sports over At forbes on THE nba, podcast and if

1847
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,720
you Speak danish on the Podcast Buzzer, beater and if

1848
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,880
you want to catch, games you can listen

1849
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: To me and The Red peachtree Over Miss until next,

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