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<v Speaker 1>He's the laps Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapse

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<v Speaker 1>Fan presents the Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story.

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<v Speaker 1>We're brought to you by Garage Pierre how Boss.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't on the Complete Hull Cogan leave Tampa too

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<v Speaker 2>far behind at any given point, can we? Because Ull

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<v Speaker 2>Cogan never did until the day he died. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a Tampa man through and through.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't know anything about the guy. You knew that

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<v Speaker 2>he was from Tampa, Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I mean despite being from Venice Beach, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you knew he was from Tampa.

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<v Speaker 2>He sort of wore it on his sleeve, even though

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have sleeves most of the time. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it's the summer of seventy nine here on the Complete

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<v Speaker 2>Hull cogin a far cry from the summer of sixty

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<v Speaker 2>nine when Terry was banging the base in Infinity's End

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<v Speaker 2>and on the Strobe lights back then. For Infinity's End

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<v Speaker 2>was Terry's childhood pal Danny Brower, who you may have

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<v Speaker 2>you may remember hearing from the taal end of our

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<v Speaker 2>last episode out in the Skyway Bridge, Remember that guy

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about suicide? Yes, yes, his name's Danny Brower, or,

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<v Speaker 2>as we'd like to call him, the Tampa friend Hogan

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<v Speaker 2>never named, yes or well, Terry once called him the

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<v Speaker 2>mule who he introduced you to. There he was contemplating

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<v Speaker 2>ending it all on Tampa's iconic Skyway Bridge, only to

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<v Speaker 2>wake up, drive home, and be foisted upon by a

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<v Speaker 2>young Terry Boleya and Ed Leslie, suddenly encouraging him to

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<v Speaker 2>get up, get in shape, and pump iron with them.

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<v Speaker 2>More on Danny Brower much later, as we return one

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<v Speaker 2>last time on the Complete Hulkgan to where it all

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<v Speaker 2>started for Terry Boleya, Tampa and the life on the

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<v Speaker 2>docks that Terry Boleya almost didn't leave behind. M And

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<v Speaker 2>if we're headed to the docks like some honest to

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<v Speaker 2>goodness blue collar gentleman, we've got to do it gripping

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<v Speaker 2>the only beer that fits the occasion. Oh yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>only beer that matches complete hul Cogan energy. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about garage beer.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, if you if you're gonna, if you wanna, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to hit the docks at Tampa, you know

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna need something refreshing. You're just need something cool.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna need something to kind of get your mind

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<v Speaker 3>off the hard work, right all right, that long shortman work.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh certainly ain't short shoreman. Okay, I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 3>long as days. Time to get into the long and

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<v Speaker 3>short of his days is a long shoreman and doing

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Doring, Oh fucking Steve Doring sounds like a jobb or.

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<v Speaker 3>He wrestled in seventy seven before anyone knew who he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this is gonna be Oh, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but you gotta do that. You know you want it.

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<v Speaker 3>You want that refreshing, that refreshing, cool crisp uh uh reward. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of a long day and you you

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<v Speaker 3>head to the garage for that, maybe with your feet

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<v Speaker 3>uh dangling in Tampa Bay. Maybe you know, yes, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you have your your lunch, your honest to goodness lunch,

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<v Speaker 3>and a garage beer the fastest growing independent beer brand

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<v Speaker 3>in the US. I mean, coming off a Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 3>ad and select markets. It's it's been wonderful, uh to

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<v Speaker 3>see a brand that understands that TLF is timeless, that

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<v Speaker 3>TLF slam dungst the basketball in the face of your hate.

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<v Speaker 3>That Garage Beer is the fastest growing beer brand in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, Cross Crisp, crushable, rude for good times, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>no nonsense. Like a certain podcast, I could mention four

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<v Speaker 3>percent ABV Logger, ninety five calories and three grams of carbs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it and it comes in two crowd favorite varieties

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<v Speaker 3>Classic in Lime. So go to their beer finder at

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<v Speaker 3>Drink garage beer dot com. Figure out where you can

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<v Speaker 3>get it. It's increasingly diffuse across these United States, and

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<v Speaker 3>let them know. The co chairman say to you, because yes,

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<v Speaker 3>big thumbs up to sponsorship, big thumbs up to synergies,

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<v Speaker 3>big thumbs up to partnerships, and big thumbs up to

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<v Speaker 3>garage beer and the complete Hull Cogin setting down the

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<v Speaker 3>definitive chronicle, respectful when it needs to be, disrespectful when

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<v Speaker 3>it needs to be Yes of the life and times

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<v Speaker 3>of Hull Cogin. So you always feel obliged to remind

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<v Speaker 3>the Solar System that all we're doing on this one

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<v Speaker 3>of a kind journey is made possible by support like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course by support like yours. We'll do this

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<v Speaker 3>quickly this time because we've got a lot of dockworking

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<v Speaker 3>to do with the long and short shoreman of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's it's been a busy time at TLFHQ,

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<v Speaker 3>not just in terms of trying to find ways to

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<v Speaker 3>get content out to you, but as you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>boss Man has been active in New York City. Tell

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<v Speaker 3>them about just desserts, which by the time they hear

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<v Speaker 3>this might be wrapping up. Yes, i'd say you. By

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<v Speaker 3>the time you guys all hear this, it'll be our

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<v Speaker 3>last week. If you haven't come out yet, please do

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<v Speaker 3>we We do perform and says Wednesday through Sunday, Wednesday, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>Saturday and Sunday at well Wednesday and Saturday at two pm,

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday at three pm, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday at seven

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<v Speaker 2>So you haven't been busy, No, because it's not. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a ninety minute two hour drive both places. It's no,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not in up to three hours. Potentially too if

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<v Speaker 2>I end up deciding to park in Harlem to not

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<v Speaker 2>pay the Midtown tax. Stop complaining, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, no, no, not no, no, listen, I deserve it, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to. I want to do this. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to have fun. I want to I want to I

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<v Speaker 3>want to perform on stage and entertain people. I deserve

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<v Speaker 3>to hurt, right, like you're saying the other day. If

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<v Speaker 3>it's not hurting, it's you're not really doing anything right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The running is the place.

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<v Speaker 3>If it doesn't hurt, if it if it's got to

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<v Speaker 3>feel like pain, Okay, if it doesn't feel like pain,

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing something wrong. We not taught you anything over

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<v Speaker 3>over a decade of doing this, Jesus Christ. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very excited there AMT Theater If I'm yeah, AMT

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<v Speaker 3>Theater forty fifth Actually it's it's only a stone throwaway

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<v Speaker 3>from our good friends at the Comedy Village. Oh sure

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<v Speaker 3>we are. We are on the same we're in between

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<v Speaker 3>the same avenues between eighth and ninth Avenue, and but

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<v Speaker 3>one street down where we're one street up. Rather we're

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<v Speaker 3>forty fifth Street and they're on forty fourth Street. And

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<v Speaker 3>those putting the fuel into the engine that is Patreon

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<v Speaker 3>dot com slash the lapsed fan that makes this worth

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<v Speaker 3>it for us as well as worth it for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be the beneficiary of one that curtain

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<v Speaker 3>closes on the boss's latest thespian endeavors. Folks are thirst

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<v Speaker 3>and tell them when they can expect under the cinemat

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<v Speaker 3>Marvel Journey to come roaring back. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not like I've been doing nothing during

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<v Speaker 3>those days off. I don't really have days off. We

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<v Speaker 3>have Mondays and tuesdays off from the show.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not, you know, just sitting on the beach in Tampa,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, working on my tan. Okay, I've been, I've

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<v Speaker 3>I've been putting together our next episode for our h

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<v Speaker 3>our MCU journey, Our Marvel Carne Carney's, our Marvel CARNEYE

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<v Speaker 3>Universe Journey. I know it's been a while. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we tried to. I try to. I try to front

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<v Speaker 3>load y'all with a with a with a massive episode,

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<v Speaker 3>so hopefully, hopefully you know, you're not too hungry. Actually no,

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<v Speaker 3>I demand that you're too hungry by the time, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the next one rolls around. So it's it's coming, it's coming,

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<v Speaker 3>and we got a long way to go with that,

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<v Speaker 3>not to mention you know, we're we're coming up. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we we still got a little ways to go on

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<v Speaker 3>the complete hull Gogan. But there's gonna be another interruption

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, probably within the next you know, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>say a month or two when when we get to

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<v Speaker 3>certain years where where Terry starts making some waves in

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<v Speaker 3>the uh on on on on the small screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so we're gonna start getting some crossover with comings, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, we listen, We're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 3>We are going to be complete. Yes, we don't. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't finish until we come to completion.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And Hull Cogan is the one of the crosshairs for

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<v Speaker 2>the next a long while, and so all the more

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<v Speaker 2>reason to keep it A tune to Patreon dot com

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<v Speaker 2>slash the Lapsed Fan. We of course deeply appreciate your

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<v Speaker 2>support and if you're listening to us, A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks I think are looking in hearing about this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, finding people from Hulk Hogan's life, finding

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<v Speaker 2>people who announced his shows, like Great Michael Saint John

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<v Speaker 2>who we talked to who voiced over the Hulk vignette

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<v Speaker 2>and Memphis, Like you know, Charlie Platt, who gave voice

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<v Speaker 2>to Hulk Hogan's very first television appearances as a professional

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<v Speaker 2>wrestler in the Gulf Coast circuit. Like Don the Dragon

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson who worked alongside Hulk ause he slang drinks before

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<v Speaker 2>getting back into the business in seventy eight and Cocoa

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<v Speaker 2>Beach Brian Blair and then of course last week The

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<v Speaker 2>Birdman Coco Beware. Yes, just taking us to a place

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<v Speaker 2>we never quite have been Antiella, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Coco.

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<v Speaker 2>All made possible by support across the board. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we mentioned Garage Beer, but patreon dot com slash the

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<v Speaker 2>monthly premium live calls. As we head down the road

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<v Speaker 2>to wrestle Mania, fuck me, what a wonderful Royal Rumbland

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<v Speaker 2>Saudi we were proud to bring to you on a

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<v Speaker 2>delayed basis Elimination Chamber coming up. I know you're gassed

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<v Speaker 2>for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, that's It's like, do we have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do this again? Do we have to pretend like they're

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<v Speaker 2>putting on a card that feels like a WrestleMania again?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, do we have to feel like they're putting

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<v Speaker 3>on a card that needs to be put together as

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<v Speaker 3>if like there's just you know, oh my god, these

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<v Speaker 3>events are just you know, the this these uh, these stories,

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<v Speaker 3>these feuds are just they're they're they're they're too much.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to put it together. We got to put

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<v Speaker 3>another show together just to get this stuff go and

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<v Speaker 3>give it some give it the right place to breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, it's going to be Roman and Punk for

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<v Speaker 2>the fake world title Night Too main event.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I guess at least Punk gets his

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<v Speaker 3>real main event.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, yeah, he's not going to admit it because

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<v Speaker 2>that would because he rolled over last year and claimed

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<v Speaker 2>Night one was the real one. Yeah, but here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what he said he left for back when

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<v Speaker 2>working Undertaker wasn't enough underneath the scene of rock.

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<v Speaker 3>So so well, okay, that's great man, Glad you're getting

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<v Speaker 3>your your thing. I'm glad. I'm glad you're I'm glad you.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what's so funny. What's so funny about it

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<v Speaker 3>is that they keep just missing with it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they they they Paul doesn't want to give it to

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<v Speaker 3>him one hundred percent. He gave him the fake one

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<v Speaker 3>last year, you know, the Night one main event, which

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<v Speaker 3>is like you know, that's the that's like leading into

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<v Speaker 3>the intermission, all right, that's that's Act one like nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't see a punk goes through this

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone knows that's the trigger to pull and it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. He's not gonna win the rumble, right, He's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna win the rumble. But then also the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that like he's main eventing Night two with Roman Reigns, which, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. That's the main event right there. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the for the crappy belt, for the fake belt. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we're just marks for calling it that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well obviously, because you know it looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>So I look forward to that coming up as well

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, and the co chairs will be quite busy

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<v Speaker 2>on the Patreon platform of course heading into WrestleMania season.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're here to pick up the ball from the

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<v Speaker 2>complete hull Coogan. And when we last left you, he

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<v Speaker 2>was done again with wrestling. He left Memphis. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm going back to Tampa in other places,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to work the docks. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>decided on the journey. Too funny enough in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two, he'd work the rock Yeah, no, realm, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you smell what the docks are cooking? We're about

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<v Speaker 2>to find out. I mean, you know, the only oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>the only time he worked the docks harder was when

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking for steroids and there's a whore and deal. Okay, precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>So we decided to devote an episode to trying to

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<v Speaker 2>in his book and over the years about working on

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<v Speaker 2>the docks. We've already touched on a lot of this material,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to thread it through, you know, his coming up

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<v Speaker 2>in the world and getting acquainted in the business and

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<v Speaker 2>taking I guess what you could call odd jobs. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he got he got on the union as a laborer

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<v Speaker 2>with his buddy Anthony Borcello, who was the singer of.

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<v Speaker 3>Rockets gets, he gets a he gets this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is when he works a union.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, that's when he works a union. Yeah, as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to later I'm not a big fan of unions, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in a few years, but definitely at this point he's

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<v Speaker 2>totally fine with it. That's cool. Yeah, yess, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>And and It's kind of confusing because there's him working

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<v Speaker 2>as a laborer and you know, digging ditches in the

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<v Speaker 2>mall in Tampa that we talked about is a little

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<v Speaker 2>different than the job he did on the actual docks

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<v Speaker 2>where he was. I don't know. He seemed to have

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<v Speaker 2>a few different jobs, some of which seemed incredibly physically

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<v Speaker 2>laborious and others which didn't. So the timeline is one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's especially confusing, to say nothing of the geography,

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<v Speaker 2>because he talks in his book about leaving Memphis and

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<v Speaker 2>going back to Tampa and working the docks. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to convey some material to you that that exists

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook from people who recall working and one gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>in particular who calls working with Terry Bully on the docks.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was in Fort Pierce, which, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell, is on the completely different side of Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>much closer on the east coast of Florida to Cocoa Beach,

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<v Speaker 2>which puts us in seventy eight when he was over there,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than all the way over on the west side

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<v Speaker 2>of Florida. The other the other Coco be the other

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<v Speaker 2>Coco Bee. Yeah, Cocoa beach where.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like Coco beach ware. That's what you that's what

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<v Speaker 3>you guess what Coco wear is when he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>He was very nice afterwards, thanking us for the interview

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. I mean, what a wow. He took us

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<v Speaker 2>to places you were just like Coco. I, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>find your figure for a long time. Stop crying, love

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<v Speaker 2>you man.

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<v Speaker 4>That was that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I I it's kind of you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's funny. It's so stupid when you really think about,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's that's the only thing I could come to

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<v Speaker 3>to like try to get him to stop crying.

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<v Speaker 2>Try and we're just reaching, Oh my god, let him

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<v Speaker 2>get his bearings, you know, talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About like you know how I couldn't which is I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a completely true story. It's all true, totally all true.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's so funny, like you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody got off and everybody got down on that one

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<v Speaker 2>as part of everyone got way down on that one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's amazing, man.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just the guys you rode with like they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're staring down, you know, a pretty scary cliff right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you start losing guys and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like the last of the true brothers you

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<v Speaker 2>felt like you had in the wrestling business. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more guys from the Golden era are in that

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<v Speaker 2>position that I think we take the time to appreciate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of people who could very

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<v Speaker 2>easily work themselves into a similar lather around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just where they are now and where the people that

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, considered part and parcel of who they

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<v Speaker 2>were who they met in the wrestling business are gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just tragedy, you know. Now it's just

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<v Speaker 2>old age. And that's a much different proposition.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's kind of that. That is the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's not just it's not just all the

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<v Speaker 3>that's not just I can avoid those pitfalls, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's getting the point where your your numbers coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like it's unavoidable now. You know, you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>you're You're not I just hope you have number thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not in exactly, You're not an exception anymore right

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<v Speaker 3>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>It is just luck of the draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, one of many I think threads we will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to pull as the complete hull coga and unfurls

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<v Speaker 2>for however long it takes here is indeed, but the

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<v Speaker 2>so the timelines are a little confusing as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the geography, because it seems like what he's saying is

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<v Speaker 2>he basically went and took jobs on the docks, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're in the union, you check in,

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<v Speaker 2>you check out. It's not like it's like you're expected

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<v Speaker 2>to report to work five days a week or else

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<v Speaker 2>you get fired. You kind of just take jobs when

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<v Speaker 2>they're available. You show up at the hall and you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of say, all right, I'll take the next you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big boat coming into port that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be unloaded. I'm here for this time period. I'll take

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<v Speaker 2>the job and make the quick bucks. And it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good money. It's very good money because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of backbreaking work and tough work, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>hot Florida sun. But I think, like so many things

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<v Speaker 2>about his earliest years, it's you crave this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>neat arrangement of this happened here, and then this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and then this happened here, and it all blends together,

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<v Speaker 2>especially his stints on the docks, I think he was

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<v Speaker 2>there in seventy eight when he was taking a year

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<v Speaker 2>off the business in Cocoa Beach, you know, running the

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<v Speaker 2>gym and the bar. And I think in seventy nine

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to the port in Tampa more so than

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<v Speaker 2>the the Fort Pierce Port, which is on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of Florida. So it's not like there was just

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<v Speaker 2>this one I don't think there's this one discreete little

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<v Speaker 2>window where we can say this is where he went

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<v Speaker 2>to the docks and then he came back to wrestling, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to do our best to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>triangulate what he said about when he did this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of work, what others said about when he did this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of work, and see what we come up with.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we heard from Anthony Borcello, from our

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<v Speaker 2>friend Brad Blucian, who we want to remind you, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that he's offering you know, special gut to members of

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<v Speaker 2>the Solar System who sign up for his brad Pack

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon and as part of his great book The six Pack,

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<v Speaker 2>he interviewed all kinds of people from Terry's past and

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<v Speaker 2>in cooperation with TLF and the Complete Hulk Cogan sharing

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<v Speaker 2>exclusive audio of the conversations he had and putting that

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<v Speaker 2>book together. One of them is with Anthony Borcello from

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<v Speaker 2>Terry's past, again the lead singer of Rucus, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was someone whose father was involved in the Labor's Union

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<v Speaker 2>in Tampa, and as we talked about, got Hogan involved

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<v Speaker 2>in doing that kind of work. It seems like if

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Barcello has it right, well, I'm sure he has

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<v Speaker 2>it right as it regards his role in getting Hulk

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the Long Shorman's Union side of it, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a different deal. But as far as who set

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<v Speaker 2>Hogan up, it wasn't Anthony Barcello, And it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk in his book says that Borcello set him up

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<v Speaker 2>both in the laborers Union and working the docks, but

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<v Speaker 2>those are two separate and distinct things. Borsello told Brad

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<v Speaker 2>Bluccian that was actually a guy named Gary Devrend who

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<v Speaker 2>was also involved in Rucus and some of Hulkogan's bands

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<v Speaker 2>coming up, who later on went on to become a

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<v Speaker 2>significant kind of like a big wig in the Florida

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<v Speaker 2>area port unions, one of like the top two or

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<v Speaker 2>three guys. It looks like in the Long Shoreman's Union

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<v Speaker 2>or I think it's called the ILU or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever is the International Longshoreman's Union. And let's just say

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is not taking calls. Okay, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>we did all the work we could to try to

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<v Speaker 2>find Gary de wrend and see if he'd be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to reflect, even though he's very clearly out there as

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<v Speaker 2>a big hot shot union guy, not someone that we

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<v Speaker 2>were raised but Ford it's worth Barcelo says, Gary de

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<v Speaker 2>Wrenn was the one to set hoking up on the docks,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the one who set him up as

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<v Speaker 2>a laborer, and so that's just that's a distinction worth making.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to a Facebook post that was published shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after Terry passed away on a Facebook group called the

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<v Speaker 2>Fort Pierce Connection. Now, Fort Pierce are the docks on

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<v Speaker 2>the west side of Florida, nearer to a pardon me,

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<v Speaker 2>on the east side of Florida, nearer to Cocoa Beach

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<v Speaker 2>than Tampa that Hogan also apparently worked on. Because in

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<v Speaker 2>this post, which actually it kind of resurfaced after Hogan's passing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the initial post states all the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen, a guy by the name of Billy Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>out of Tampa wrote the following, I used to work

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<v Speaker 2>with a guy in Fort Pierce at the port. You

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<v Speaker 2>know him as Hulk Hogan. Wow, I used to work

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<v Speaker 2>for Coastal Steve Doring. I did not know him as

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk Hogan in these days. He was a checker for

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<v Speaker 2>goods coming in the port. Back then, a checker. Hulk

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<v Speaker 2>was a checker who check things.

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<v Speaker 3>He would check things. Apparently that's where we're at checker.

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<v Speaker 2>We looked at one of his checks from Jarrett Goulas.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the cargo Billy Wrights was oranges and grapefruits

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<v Speaker 2>being exported. We handled.

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<v Speaker 3>I should fuck it. It's just fucking hilarious to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Hulk candling fruit, Hulk checking fruit. Our brother won't got here, dude, grapefruits.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll got, well, got grapefruits. Brother, we talk about I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, well I got it. Well, I got it,

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<v Speaker 3>I got you know, I got big ass grapefruits.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>What what.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we exporting your grapefruits?

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<v Speaker 4>Dude?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I export them all the time. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>at least the insides. So what you're saying is this

416
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<v Speaker 2>isn't the only time Hulk was accused of handling grapefruits,

417
00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:39.559
<v Speaker 2>apparently not making sure that they were appropriately accounted for.

418
00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh god. He writes, we handled for export vegetables for

419
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.279
<v Speaker 2>American Foods, a company called American Foods. I knew him

420
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<v Speaker 2>as Terry Balayam. He was a really nice guy. We

421
00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>followed his career when he started in Tampa. I started

422
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<v Speaker 2>with the company in nineteen seventy nine, so that puts

423
00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.519
<v Speaker 2>us in seventy nine. And there's some you know, people

424
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<v Speaker 2>who follow up, and he says, I worked every with him.

425
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.680
<v Speaker 2>He was just a big bodybuilder. Then for lunch he

426
00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>drank these nasty shakes, Oh my god, and about five

427
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 2>pounds of grapes. Oh. Someone says, grapes nature's candy. Are

428
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:17.559
<v Speaker 2>they bodybuilding food? Billy responds, he said the grapes made

429
00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.799
<v Speaker 2>his skin thin, so his muscle would make his veins show.

430
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Wait what, the woman responds, I just googled it. I

431
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't know grapes were a natural blood thinner. Interesting, Billy responds,

432
00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:35.559
<v Speaker 2>wine is a blood thinner. Okay, so did you know that, boss,

433
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:38.720
<v Speaker 2>If you want that vascularity to show, you hit the grapes.

434
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I did not know it. No wonder. Coco remembers them

435
00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.640
<v Speaker 2>loading up on fruit primarily hit the road in the

436
00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.000
<v Speaker 2>green and wild to think about, Yeah, especially a guy

437
00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Jesus who's you know, as big as he is, and

438
00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.079
<v Speaker 2>everyone kind of pegs as someone chasing apparently mister Universe,

439
00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.480
<v Speaker 2>which I never really heard him try to pursue mister Universe.

440
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.880
<v Speaker 2>That seems so wild to me. That seems wild to me,

441
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.240
<v Speaker 2>given you know, I mean, are they sure they're not

442
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.400
<v Speaker 2>are they sure they're not getting the Hulks confused? Well,

443
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.720
<v Speaker 2>perhaps Hulk went for a different Hulk win for mister

444
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Universe too, But you know what possibility I like to entertain. Boss, Yes,

445
00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.839
<v Speaker 2>that Hulk is embarrassed to tell his fellow dog workers

446
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.960
<v Speaker 2>that he's trying to become a wrestler. Oh oh absolutely,

447
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it's more respectable to say you're trying to become mister Universe. Yep, yep,

448
00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean listen, I can, I can, I can see that.

449
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>You know that goes absolutely. How many people have you

450
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.160
<v Speaker 2>told on your show that you do a podcast about sports? Well,

451
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what, you know what, so I'm going to

452
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.079
<v Speaker 2>tell you that. Okay, so I mentioned this before, it

453
00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.119
<v Speaker 2>hasn't come up and he hadn't come up at all. Okay,

454
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>but the.

455
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Other day in between during during a show intermission, I'm

456
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.799
<v Speaker 3>backstage and I'm talking with somebody. I forget what we're

457
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 3>just talking about, you know, like what we do on

458
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:07.279
<v Speaker 3>our on our days off from from doing the show.

459
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:10.160
<v Speaker 3>And she was like, you know what what do you

460
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.079
<v Speaker 3>you know? Do you have a do you have a

461
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:20.799
<v Speaker 3>do you have a steady job? I said, yeah, yeah, whoa, whoa?

462
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 3>What what is it? I did do a podcast?

463
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 2>What?

464
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Speaker 3>How am I just hearing of this? I said, well,

465
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.880
<v Speaker 3>you'll get it in a second. I see, because I

466
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:45.839
<v Speaker 3>don't because it's embarrassing. And then Sprina Carpenter's man Child

467
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 3>started playing on the exactly right, and then it comes

468
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.000
<v Speaker 3>out and I'm like, you know, and then and then yeah,

469
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 3>because it's it's about professional wrestling.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm serious. That was not the worst.

471
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:01.640
<v Speaker 3>No, I shouldn't give that response.

472
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:01.799
<v Speaker 6>You know.

473
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I will say, most people they're nice because you know

474
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.240
<v Speaker 3>what they can What they respect is not that it's

475
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 3>a podcast about wrestling. What they respect is that is

476
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:18.640
<v Speaker 3>that we've created our own work.

477
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what people respect regardless, that's what it's about.

478
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

479
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 3>That is the one. That's the one kind of thing

480
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 3>that I can get away with in in my in

481
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Speaker 3>in my occupation is that I can always people can

482
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 3>always see it as oh wow, like because you know,

483
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 3>if you're it's hard. It's hard to create your own

484
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 3>work at a certain level and expect to to to

485
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 3>be able to live off of it to a degree,

486
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, and and you know, and that's and that's

487
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 3>part of it is that you know, to have that

488
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:02.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of consistent work doing something that you love and

489
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:07.960
<v Speaker 3>doing something that is your own. It's like, that's that's

490
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.559
<v Speaker 3>just that's the dream. Honestly, it's the dream. And and

491
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 3>so that's what I can get. I mean, I don't know,

492
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't think you can get that. And

493
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.400
<v Speaker 3>your side of the of the coin, yeah for se well.

494
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it is nice to have the appreciation of, like,

495
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, people understand what it takes to people in

496
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 2>performing arts, understands what it would take to create something

497
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:32.599
<v Speaker 2>whole cloth that you could then claim is your gig.

498
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 2>You know. Oh yeah, yeah, you're kind of a self

499
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:39.279
<v Speaker 2>perpetuating thing. Yeah yeah, so yeah, but yeah, I choose

500
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.799
<v Speaker 2>to believe that Terry just didn't want to tell his

501
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>brothers on the docks that he was trying to become

502
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>a rum. All about it. I love it. I love

503
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that way better the way discussion continues. This is subsequent

504
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 2>to Hogan's passing. Billy Johnson takes to Facebook again with

505
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>sad news. He writes, Hulk Hogan passed away. You know

506
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>him from his wrestling career and Rocky movie. He was

507
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>born Augusta, Georgia, nineteen fifth. His family moved Tampa, Florida,

508
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 2>where he grew up. He was born Terrence Jean Blea.

509
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>I worked with him here in Fort Pierce. I started

510
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>working with him in nineteen seventy eight, so that puts

511
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 2>us in seventy eight and seventy nine here. As far

512
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 2>as rememberssing him working on the docks very interesting. We

513
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 2>worked in the port here for Coastal Steve Doring. Billy

514
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>writes he was a real fun guy to work with.

515
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>We all called him Terry at the time. He was

516
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 2>in the gym every day for lunch. He ate seven

517
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 2>pounds of grapes and drank the most nasty smelling drinks.

518
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I remember the first day I met him, My boss

519
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Brennan, took me around to meet everyone. When we

520
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>walked up to him, I asked, Bruce, who is this

521
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>And he was super big back then. He was training

522
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>for Mister Universe at the time. Wow, And my boss said, Oh,

523
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that's Terry. He does whatever he wants.

524
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Little did he know, Yeah, he does do whatever he wants. Apparently,

525
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>of course, I forgot to mention my boss, Bruce was

526
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 3>about five to three. We went to Christmas parties together.

527
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 3>All of us guys at the port rooted for Terry.

528
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 3>We couldn't believe he was going to be a professional wrestler.

529
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I will miss good friend Terry. Yeah, and you couldn't

530
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 3>believe it. And you know, he probably sat there, you know, saying,

531
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck is this guy doing with himself?

532
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm just endlessly fascinated by these people who met this guy.

533
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>And of course he loved a big impression. He's a

534
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 2>massive guy, but he hadn't hit it big as a wrestler.

535
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And then we're sitting there across the country, across the world,

536
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in fact, glued to our televisions watching this guy do

537
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>his thing, putting us in the position we're in today

538
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>as hulka maniacs, you know, striving to understand and revisit

539
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 2>those times, and there are people who remember, this guy

540
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>is just that huge motherfucker. Oh that's that's the best

541
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.240
<v Speaker 2>part carry from Tampa. That's who they see.

542
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 3>That is the absolute best part of it all is

543
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 3>the idea that there is to think about being one

544
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 3>of those people who just like they they knew him

545
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 3>as a person, they knew him as a human being

546
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 3>right to a degree. Yes, like we will never could

547
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 3>never have that, that opportunity, have that whatever, because it

548
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 3>is such like we couldn't have. We wouldn't we you know,

549
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 3>we would have been born and lived in Tampa to

550
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 3>experience that. And so it's such a bizarre thing to consider.

551
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 2>And I would say uniquely bizarre too. I mean, yes,

552
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>the wrestlers. I mean there are people who knew Arnold

553
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Swarzenegger before pumping Iron, but he was still Arnold Schwarzenegger.

554
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>That was his name right right right now, these guys

555
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 2>on the docks and Fort Pierce are being asked to

556
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 2>remember Terry Bolea as Hulk Hogan. You know, they're being

557
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 2>asked to recontextualize this guy. It's just got to be

558
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>such a trip. It's almost like like Madonna or Lady Gaga.

559
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Sure people here knew them before they took on a

560
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 2>stage name in presence, but it's it's a unique phenomenon,

561
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to say the least. Later on, Billy posts a picture

562
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 2>of just some trucks moving around the yard somewhere, says,

563
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 2>I took this pish for nineteen seventy nine. I was

564
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 2>inside of a ship that had its nose of the

565
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.759
<v Speaker 2>bow raised up. I was a shipping agent for Coastal

566
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Steve Dooring. Back then, we were loading the materials to

567
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>build the electric power plant in I think he says

568
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are meant to write Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

569
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>The generator alone weighs one hundred and seventy five tons alone.

570
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 2>If you look to the west, you can see the

571
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 2>seventh Street water tower that used to be the used

572
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 2>to be to the west of there. One of the

573
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Union checkers that was on this job was Terry Bolea.

574
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you know him today as Hulk Hogan. There used

575
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 2>to be a lot of ships that came in the

576
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 2>port of Fort Pierce back then, and indeed there was,

577
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and Fort Pierce has some connection to Hulk Cogan. If

578
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 2>you remember all the way back to when we cover

579
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>his first few months in the business in Florida in

580
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven as Super Destroyer. His first documented match and

581
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 2>most career histories you'll find of the man was in

582
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>fact in Fort Pierce was the match when he wrestled

583
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Don Serrano as a late replacement. According to the newspaper

584
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 2>clippings we conveyed on that episode, and even further, I

585
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 2>found an article in eighty five and the Tampa Tribune

586
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>after he hit it, Big Jack Briscoe remembers his first

587
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>match ever at Fort Pierce. Of course, Brian Blair doesn't

588
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>remember that he was, apparently on the card. He remembers

589
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>being his match with Terry Bully and Hulk's first time ever.

590
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 5>In the right.

591
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Of course, I would tell everyone that myself it was.

592
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 3>I would tell myself that, Yeah, exactly, I would. I listen.

593
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 3>I would have been telling myself that for the last

594
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 3>forty years. So it's a busy time at the port.

595
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 3>A quick article here from the Miami Herald from seventy eight

596
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 3>and around the time a Hulk would have been over there.

597
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>August of seventy eight, a major step and the rebirth

598
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 3>of the Port of Fort Pierce will be completed by November,

599
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 3>when four hundred foot ships began docking at a rebuilt

600
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 3>freight terminal on the Indian River. Citrus ex spoker Bernardi

601
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 3>get announced Thursday about forty freighters hauling eighty million pounds

602
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 3>of Indian River citrus to Europe and Japan or expect

603
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 3>to call at Fort Pierceport in the first season of shipping,

604
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 3>he said. George Krikovich, president of Coastal Steve Doring that's

605
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>the company, said the citrus activity will provide jobs for

606
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 3>about one hundred and fifty Steve Doors hul Cogan among them,

607
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 3>perhaps Boss hul Cogan among them. Perhaps I would imagine

608
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 3>many of whom were local men who worked out of

609
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Port Canaveral in past seasons, and Port Canaveral, as we

610
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 3>talked about, it's even closer to Cocoa Beach, where Hope

611
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 3>would have been at the time. Quote we expected to

612
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>be a major port in the very near future, Egan said.

613
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Most citrus that leaves Florida by ship now is handled

614
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 3>through Tampa and Port Canaveral, So there's the connective tissue

615
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>with Tampa perhaps following the citrus around those Florida oranges.

616
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Brother and that's Oh my god, he got so into

617
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 3>it as his kin turned orange. I cannot handle this shit.

618
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Huh. You picture like tropic and orange juice, like that

619
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>whole supply chain. That's terry marking whether boxes contain the

620
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 2>appropriate volume at the port. Tremendous reconstruction of the forty

621
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 2>four year old Indian River Refrigeration Center was delayed by

622
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>about the seven months, Eakin said, because of the February

623
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>fire that gutted the building. According to Dick Reid, executive

624
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 2>vice president of the local Chamber of Commerce, rebuilding of

625
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the terminal is a significant step toward revitalization of the

626
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>port and lowering the Fort Pierce unemployment rate of nine

627
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.559
<v Speaker 2>point three percent, and that's quite high. Jim Shehan, president

628
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 2>of First National Bank, normal, I don't know. I'm not

629
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>used to hearing it broken down by like city like that,

630
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 2>but I would say, like three four ten, ten seems.

631
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know where we were at in seventy eighty.

632
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of economic turmoil in the seventies.

633
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Jim Sheen, president of First National Bank, predicted that even

634
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>in its early stages, the terminal would have a beneficial

635
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>ripple effect on the local economy because the incoming ships

636
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>will need repairs, fuel, and supplies. First National Bank is

637
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>financing the project, Egan said. She and as president of

638
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the Local GOO Team Economic Development Committee, has helped coordinate

639
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the port revitalization project. The main port facility, operated under

640
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>the name of Indian River Terminal Company, Egan said, will

641
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>be a refrigerator. It did one hundred by three hundred

642
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.519
<v Speaker 2>and sixty foot terminal capable of handling general cargo as

643
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>well as citrus. The company hopes to attract general cargo,

644
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>imports and exports, and perhaps even passengers, Egan and she

645
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>had said. Also she had said several companies have expressed

646
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.800
<v Speaker 2>interest in opening plants in Fort Pierce when the port

647
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Speaker 2>becomes available. The port conservice ships drawing up to twenty

648
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>five feet of water. Egan said the terminal company would

649
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 2>exert every effort we can to get the ship channel

650
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 2>deepened to forty feet, a project now under study by

651
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the US Army Corps of Engineers. Egan would not say

652
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 2>how much the project will cost. Last fall, however, he

653
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.840
<v Speaker 2>applied for a two point one two five million dollars

654
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Farmer's Home Administration loan to rebuild the terminal that loan

655
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 2>application has been stalled, he said, since the February fire

656
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that caused an estimated six hundred and fifty thousand dollars

657
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 2>of damage to the building. So Hogan came in after

658
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the flames. He emerged as the port did from the flames. Wow,

659
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 2>and this is a you know, before hul Cogan was

660
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>an export to Japan, which we're getting to like eighty one,

661
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 2>he was an export fruits to Japan, So he's always

662
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>an exports. Krikovich said existing port activity is slight, limited

663
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>mainly to a few shiploads of sand each year to

664
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the Bahamas. Okay, yeah, they're sending sand from Florida to

665
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>the Bahamas.

666
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.559
<v Speaker 3>To the Bahamas, they have enough sand, Yeah right, don't

667
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 3>they fucking of all the things they need?

668
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Imported sand sand? That seems okay whatever, Yeah, you say, Sopal.

669
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>The last citrus exports were to Europe in the nineteen fifties.

670
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 2>He said. The port was most active from the early

671
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirties through World War Two, Krikovich said. She said

672
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>port activity died from a lack of willingness to promote

673
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and modernize the facilities. Mayor Buell Brown said that although

674
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the port is in an ideal location because of its

675
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>proximity to the citrus industry and easy access from the

676
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Atlantic Ocean. The port has waited until now for a

677
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>cooperative effort to reactivate it. After wreckage from the February

678
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 2>fire was cleaned up, actual reconstruction of the terminal began

679
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>in early July, Krikovich said. Egan said the completed terminal

680
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>will be a modern facility comparable to any other, to

681
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>any and other major ports. We are making every effort

682
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>to make this facility something that the city of Fort

683
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Pierce will be proud of. The outside surface of the

684
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>building will be white paneled aluminum, he said, applied over

685
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>eight inches of insulation. So big doings, big doings in

686
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Fort Pierce, and our hero is going to click right

687
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 2>into that. Well, we were going to turn to Hulk

688
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Cogan's volumes to try to discern what we can about

689
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 2>all this docks shit. And uh, I'm not talking about

690
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 2>identifying law enforcement's address. I mean, I'm talking that's another

691
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 2>docks you would be particularly concerned with. As the years

692
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>when the docks and me, brother, what on the dis ox?

693
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>You call them the dis ox? Absolutely, he did, come on,

694
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I really think he did. Brother, I'm working on the

695
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 2>dess Ox, dude, Lizong Shorman locked, I was thinking of

696
00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 2>this businessness. Brother, let's go back to the Diz. Got

697
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to book. Those the fans, those brothers, Stone Cold, Steve, Door, Austin.

698
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest about it, right, I mean, you're first coming. Absolutely,

699
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I actually proud of that one. So this is book

700
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>number one, and how he talks about the docks. He's

701
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a chapter called the docs. The you mean the accurate one,

702
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the good doc. The accurate doc was George and Harry.

703
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>And let's be clear about that. But we're going to

704
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 2>try to, you know, as has become our custom on

705
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the complete Hull Cooke and compare and contrast uh the

706
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>different versions in his two books and see if we

707
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 2>can't come out somewhere in the middle. But this is

708
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 2>important because if you remember, way back when we did

709
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.719
<v Speaker 2>our Terry Funk tribute, the Funk in trying to assign

710
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.760
<v Speaker 2>all the different massively important wrestlers that Terry Funk had

711
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>an important hand in guiding their careers, if not outright

712
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 2>making them as pro wrestlers. Hulk gave a very curious

713
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 2>shout out to Terry Funk in his first book for

714
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>being the one to physically come to the docks, having

715
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>found out that this Terry Boulder, with all the promise

716
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that he had had given up on wrestling and convinced

717
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>him right there on the docks to get back into

718
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the wrestling business. Hulk himself fingered Terry Funk for that job. Terry,

719
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 2>of course never mentioned it, never took credit for it,

720
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 2>probably because it didn't happen. But for some reason, Hulk

721
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>decided to cast Terry Funk in that role as opposed

722
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 2>to the two or three other people who he probably

723
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't like who actually deserve credit, which is what he

724
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>tends to do a lot. So beware and be on

725
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 2>the lookout for that little piece of the history as

726
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 2>well as Huck here connects his time retreating to the

727
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>docks with making it all the way to New York.

728
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 3>For everyone on our little runs. I'd gone home to

729
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Tampa to wait for one of the promoters call me. Finally,

730
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 3>one time I went home and stayed home. As far

731
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 3>as I was concerned, I was done with professional wrestling.

732
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Well.

733
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I came back to Tapa nineteen seventy nine. I headed

734
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 3>to the one place I knew I could make money

735
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 3>the diz Ox of Port tis Ampa brother a few

736
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 3>years later, when I was training with her in my

737
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 3>suit he was earlier. Rather when I was training with

738
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 3>hearing my suita and selling off my musical equipment and

739
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 3>trying to make ends meet. I had a friend named

740
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Barcelo, who had been the least singer in some

741
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.559
<v Speaker 3>of the rocket in some of the rock and roll

742
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 3>bands I played with. Anthony had a wife and a

743
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.559
<v Speaker 3>child's support, so if his band wasn't working for a week,

744
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 3>he'd go down to the Laborers Union and earn some

745
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 3>money that way. And Anthony told me his father had

746
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 3>strong ties with the union, so he could get me

747
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 3>in if I wanted. I don't have any brighter prospects

748
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 3>at the time, so I said, Hell, yes, I like

749
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 3>a Vat's in quotes. Hell yes, yes, well it's a

750
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 3>direct quote, he remembers saying. Course, So Anthony Barcello got

751
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 3>me into the Laborers Union. And the way that worked

752
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 3>as I would go to the union hall and they

753
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 3>would have a bunch of metal folding chairs, about fifty

754
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 3>of them, and everyone would sit down on those chairs

755
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 3>and wait for their number to be called they would say, hey,

756
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 3>here's a job your one day's wizard porn. It's a

757
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.679
<v Speaker 3>minute the missle brother so, and you go to them

758
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>all that day. Then you come back and sit in

759
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 3>the union hall again. But maybe the next time your

760
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 3>number was called, they would say, you know, okay, Turmoila,

761
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 3>you'll six months work on a government cleanup of a

762
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:32.880
<v Speaker 3>phosphate of a phosphate factory. You boy, you'd be happy

763
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 3>to get that that job because it meant steady work.

764
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 3>So I did the labor thing for about six months,

765
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 3>splitting my time between that and getting beaten up by

766
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Hero Matsuda. So he's getting beat up. He went back

767
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 3>to Hero Matsuda again. I thought this was seventy nine. Yeah,

768
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 3>I guess it. Like so he's doing that okay. Then

769
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.599
<v Speaker 3>one day then he had guys to co down work

770
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 3>on the twenty second Street causeway in Port Tampa. Turn

771
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 3>out if the job was loading and unloading ships, coat

772
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 3>and meat, root in vegetables. Enough about his stas, I

773
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 3>don't know Planet Stasia. Enough about his grocery runs in Memphis.

774
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 3>And once in a while they would have cars come off.

775
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I'll never get to unload the car, so it's basically

776
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 3>hauled produce and stuff. No one, he's in the grapes, right,

777
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 3>you get him for free, probably place it stuck a

778
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 3>few off from himself. The job only lasted a week,

779
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 3>but after that I became nosing around the docks again.

780
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

781
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Brother?

782
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 3>He clows up.

783
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 2>You work, brother, You work anybody and anybody needs work.

784
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 3>You need to work, you dude, what I'm I'm union brother,

785
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm union all the time below of the union, unionize.

786
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm all about, brother.

787
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Tims him Mick Foley ken shameran big show test.

788
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 3>And the steward of the long Shoreman's Union spotted me

789
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 3>and said, I said, saw how big I was. So

790
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 3>he said, how did you like to be a long shoreman?

791
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 3>I'll toart you at ten bucks an hour. And I

792
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 3>was good money in those days. So my first day

793
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 3>I helped unload a ship for twelve or fourteen hours,

794
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden I was a long shortman.

795
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 3>They got me to the union. Everything your funny thing.

796
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 3>I was the only white guy in that union. Every

797
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 3>day I'd be stuff alongside forty or fifty monster black guys.

798
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 3>But the question of color never came up. Not for me,

799
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 3>not for them. I just figured I was in a

800
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 3>hole with a bunch of guys. Hey, Terry, do you

801
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 3>mind if I bring up the question of color. I

802
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 3>don't see color, brother, Well, that's kind of funny because

803
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 3>you always get that razor blade.

804
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll get a good color. Only color. I see his

805
00:42:58.880 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>red and green brother.

806
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Brother, that's the damn right. I just figured I was

807
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 3>in a hole with a bunch of guys, sweating and

808
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 3>cussing and talking trash, and I was okay because I

809
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 3>felt lot at home, so I was unload these lives.

810
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Like remember when he was the fucking quiet little bit

811
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, he's all about. He's all about.

812
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 3>He never was sweating, cussing and talking.

813
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Fras he he felt like some moments of feeling bullied

814
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>and ashamed and embarrassed, but he clearly wanted. He clearly

815
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>walked around most of the time, peacocking around like I

816
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 2>think I've come to that conclusion. You know, he wasn't

817
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this big old he was an oath, but he was massive.

818
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>He was yes, you know, once he figured out that

819
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the weights, which was very early, as we've already documented,

820
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 2>uh in his life in terms of like high school,

821
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>towards the talent of high school.

822
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 7>He was.

823
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 2>He had girlfriends, he was cotting up with everybody, he

824
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>was relating everybody. Fucking oh, definitely, fucking I mean we

825
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>established that. I mean Coco Beet was a fucking big,

826
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking you know Mount Session Yep, yep, just fucking fucking

827
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 2>fucking absolutely. So I was.

828
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Unloading these ships and working as many hours I could.

829
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, they couldn't wear me down back then, I'll

830
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 3>sit there and drink coffee all day long. I was

831
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 3>so into making the money the Missoni brother. If I

832
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 3>could make a few hundred bucks every two days, I

833
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 3>had to stay there and work my ass off. Where

834
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 3>most guys would want to quit after eight hours. I

835
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 3>had a different work ethic. I was hungrier, no shit, right,

836
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 3>especially with they're working on that produce scrapes and shakes

837
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.760
<v Speaker 3>apparently yep. And all the lifting that I was doing,

838
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 3>my arms were getting bigger and bigger. But as much

839
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 3>money as I was making about for about six months,

840
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll figure something out that the Steve Door, the guy

841
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.039
<v Speaker 3>up on the the.

842
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Lethal weapon, Steve Doring related to Danny Doring. There's no

843
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 2>way I haven't told that joke. Yet I must have

844
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>said that already.

845
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 3>Got the Steve Door, the guy up on the deck

846
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.599
<v Speaker 3>of the ships supervising the loading, was making even more.

847
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I's got a bunch of questions, you know, just do

848
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:04.880
<v Speaker 3>my homework. What's going on?

849
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 5>Brother?

850
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:10.000
<v Speaker 3>It's rolling with Steve Door. Is it a guy getting

851
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 3>a push? We'll see, well Steve Bore getting pushed old

852
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 3>of this guy? Well, you're talking to Steve Door, brother,

853
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm working with Steve Style, dude.

854
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Is there a more fucking TBS nineteen eighty two job

855
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 2>rather than Steve Door? Steve dor Door his last name

856
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 2>is d O O R. And let me tell you

857
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 2>he got kicked down every Saturday at six o five.

858
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 2>He didn't get the door slammed in his face. Door

859
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 2>got slammed on his face. It's calling with Steve Door.

860
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 7>Brother.

861
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 2>You're talking to Steve Door. He's a guy him deck dude, right,

862
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 2>who's on deck? Brother?

863
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 3>But there's Suppris and Lodan brother, so he.

864
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Had supervising the load and sound like kind of like

865
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>what David Shels did.

866
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 3>With what you making up there?

867
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 5>Brother?

868
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 3>How you making up there? You trying to get the.

869
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 2>No wonder a huwk felt like he was getting fucked

870
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>on the pay and wrestling, and you know you could

871
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.360
<v Speaker 2>come hit the Tampa and just like walk onto a

872
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 2>facility and make like incredible bank.

873
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Doham, Steve Door brother, I take his job, dude, Canna

874
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 3>roll him up, brother and get it from behind you.

875
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 3>That's what he's saying. He did. So I'm asking a

876
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 3>bunch of questions. You would just do o homework. I

877
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 3>found out that when ships leave the port of Tampa.

878
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 3>I found I found found out. Imagine a note pad.

879
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Guys eight feet tall walking around the docs like trying

880
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 2>to play low key.

881
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Picture picture picture a whole cogan. Okay, exactly. He's fucking six'.

882
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Eight he's wearing he's wearing, uh you, know tight, jeans

883
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 3>and he's got like a denim a denim button down

884
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 3>shirt but cut, off, oh cut, off cut off sleeves all,

885
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 3>right and like the button's dap down to you, know

886
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 3>right below is right right right down to his.

887
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Belly all. Right, well you know what he, is he's

888
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole cogun on the cover of the pile driver

889
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 2>out exactly exactly What i'm, picturing got the hard, hat

890
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 2>but he's walking in a fucking notepad he's walking around

891
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and keeps in his back.

892
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Pocket you, know he's trying to fucking up with what's

893
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.199
<v Speaker 3>going with The Steve. Door i'll found out when the

894
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 3>ships leave the Poor tampa For, Singapore, Bangkok Hong, kong

895
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 3>And tookio and there's fifty, million fifty million billion pounds

896
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 3>of meat on. Them you have to load the ship

897
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 3>correctly and unload it correctly because if you, don't you'll

898
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 3>sink the. Ship so wets house. Call he was all

899
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 3>about sinking, ships, DUDE i, means WELL'S i was confident

900
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 3>THAT i knew WHAT i was. Doing i'll talk about

901
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 3>The Steve doors union A. Stevedor i'll direct to the

902
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.239
<v Speaker 3>load and unloading these big ocean going. Ships i'll check

903
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 3>boxes and stamp them so everyone knew where they were.

904
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 3>Going AND i was really excited to be doing this

905
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 3>BECAUSE i was making six or seven hundred bucks a.

906
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Week it was huge that. Time So i'll figured, OUT

907
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 3>idu this for a long time BECAUSE i still hadn't

908
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 3>been given a professional wrestling.

909
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Match, OKAY i don't know what he's talking. ABOUT i,

910
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.199
<v Speaker 2>mean he never says anywhere that he did this work

911
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Before Super. DESTROYER i, mean he's also saying it's nineteen seventy. Nine, uh,

912
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>okay this job is not, easy. Folks with this, guy

913
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it's actually the most ambitious truth, telling truth finding

914
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.400
<v Speaker 2>mission you can go. On as far as.

915
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Wrestling there is no coherent timeline. NEVER i, mean it

916
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 3>is all over the. Place maybe there were, Two maybe

917
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 3>he had a twin. Brother we no one ever fucking

918
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 3>knew about. It at this, Point i'm willing to entertain the.

919
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Possibility you. KNOW i read something not too long ago

920
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 3>it said he had a brother Named mike who was at.

921
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Home like?

922
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 3>What?

923
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah it was that article THAT i was just

924
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.519
<v Speaker 2>reading from, earlier from eighty five In tampa Where jack

925
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 2>brisco is interviewed about Breaking Hull cogan in and we're

926
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Calling Fort Pierce. Elsewhere in that article it, says then

927
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 2>he has a Brother mike at. Home it's, like, okay so.

928
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 3>There's there's A Mike blay at. Home Guess Mike. BOWLEA

929
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 3>i was just, like, okay, Man, wow. RIDICULOUS i, MEAN

930
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 3>i guess you're talking About, uh that would Be, david but,

931
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.679
<v Speaker 3>no it would Be. Michael it Was Horse hogan's real, Name,

932
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Michael Michael David, Carrie Kevin chris on the. Line Fritz

933
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Horse hogan's real name.

934
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Was was Was Michael so maybe uh maybe he was

935
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 2>living there as a, nephew and they missed took her

936
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:45.800
<v Speaker 2>for a, son.

937
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 3>And then came out profess my little professional one With Eddie,

938
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 3>graham My tom And Cocoa beach with White bridges and

939
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Ed leslie and my short lived career Is Kerry bull

940
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Or Stirling. Golden but all, along WHENEVER i have Some

941
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 3>tom in my, hands head back to the. Docks so

942
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 3>with my wrestling career behind, me SO i, THOUGHT i

943
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 3>returned with the docks one more, time AND i got

944
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 3>real comfortable down there working the. Ships it was a

945
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 3>it was a predictable, existence unlike the wrestling. Business there

946
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 3>wasn't an uncertainty. FACTOR i did my, WORK i got,

947
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 3>PAID i got out. IT i got out of it

948
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 3>exactly WHAT i put. In and all of a SUDDEN

949
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 3>i had a call my old Friend Terry. Funk, okay

950
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 3>so not only did they get a call From Terry,

951
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 3>funk but old Friend Terry.

952
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Funk how's, That?

953
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Terry when when did? That when when did they? When what?

954
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Exactly he? WENT i mean maybe he came Through florida

955
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 2>in seventy. Seven, maybe but it certainly wasn't not any

956
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>card that we looked at to the point where he's

957
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 2>an old friend though, Ridiculous it's completely.

958
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous terry was a big name in the wrestling, business

959
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 3>a second generation wrestler who had already been A National

960
00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.079
<v Speaker 3>Wrestling Alliance world, champion you, know AND i was a mark

961
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Speaker 3>BEFORE i got into the. BUSINESS i used to chase

962
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 3>him around and ask him questions all the. Time doesn't

963
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 3>make you his? Friend and ALSO i wanted him to do.

964
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.480
<v Speaker 3>THAT i wanna go ahead and get a funk out of.

965
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Here where's this blond?

966
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.239
<v Speaker 3>KID i just want to ask. YOU i just wanted

967
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 3>a couple of questions due it was like being A

968
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 3>terry brother in the wrestling.

969
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Ring he's just. WONDERFUL i gotta, GO i, GOTTA i

970
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>gotta go Find doren's to say nothing Of. Vicky vicky

971
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Thinks i'm In. Oklahoma let me ask you, something, Kid

972
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 2>are you In? Oklahoma you?

973
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Know fucking thing like?

974
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 2>That? Wow why AM? I? Well My oklahoma? Dud what

975
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>are you talking? About? Dude what's going? On? Okay?

976
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Look did you find An oklahoma brother's five minutes if

977
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 3>you film In? Oklahoma, dude how about what HAVE i

978
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 3>told you? That In Dick slater's book he was very

979
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 3>good friends With Terry, funk he says That Terry funk

980
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 3>one time saw a wolfman costume in his store and, Said.

981
00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get the wolfman. Costume we've got to get.

982
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 2>It why you're gonna?

983
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 6>Say?

984
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 2>So he gets the wolfman, costume and he would walk

985
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>around in the woods and try to make sudden dramatic

986
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>appearances in the roadway so cars could see him in and,

987
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>out so he could generate publicity for a wolfman being among. Us,

988
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>OKAY i mean that's just an. Example Okay Terry. Funk, yeah,

989
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 2>wait wait TILL i tell you The Skyway bridge.

990
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Speaker 3>STORY i, mean this sounds like normal behavior to.

991
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Me sounds like a kind of guy, that uh would

992
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:39.519
<v Speaker 2>have Been Terry bulla's old friend much what?

993
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:39.400
<v Speaker 1>What?

994
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.199
<v Speaker 2>No that? Was that was the guy that was supposed

995
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to show up for your first.

996
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Match you watched my? Matches, dude going, on, brother are

997
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 3>you talking to?

998
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Exactly one thing that is kind of well established is

999
00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:00.920
<v Speaker 2>That terry, Knew terry fun un knew the kind of

1000
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.440
<v Speaker 2>business That hulk did For Ron fuller In alabama was

1001
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 2>under the giant got that got to. Him, yeah he

1002
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 2>knew about, that and so he knew that there was

1003
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 2>a guy who was capable of filling. Buildings that does

1004
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>not mean they were closely, Acquainted, no not at, all

1005
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but here he. Goes, Nonetheless terry was.

1006
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 3>A big name in the wrestling business Second jenerary from

1007
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 3>wrestler who had already been A National Wrestling Alliance World

1008
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Champion house Of mark BEFORE i got in the. BUSINESS

1009
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 3>i used to chase him around and ask him a

1010
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 3>lot of awesome questions all the. Time you, know most

1011
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.119
<v Speaker 3>of the wrestlers were mean to me in those, days

1012
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and they're trying to scare me, off But Terry funk

1013
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.559
<v Speaker 3>was always nice to. Me so it's one day he

1014
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 3>came down to the dogs for us working and, said

1015
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 3>what the hell's wrong with? You what do you mean

1016
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.840
<v Speaker 3>you could be the biggest star in the wrestling.

1017
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Business i'm sure it's what he. Said i'm going down

1018
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 2>to the damn, Docks, jerry where's the, dogs, Bitch we're

1019
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 2>going down to the, docks son of a. Bitch chucks Up,

1020
00:53:53.719 --> 00:54:02.960
<v Speaker 2>sarpolis what EXACTLY.

1021
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I?

1022
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Mean, yeah one day he just would have the docs

1023
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to Find. Terry that's what did you?

1024
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 3>JUST i, MEAN i just you, know JUST I I

1025
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 3>i would give. IT i would give any any fucking. Money,

1026
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 3>okay to have been in the room Where Terry funk's

1027
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.239
<v Speaker 3>like kind of in the he's he's preoccupied with, something

1028
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 3>and he's like he's he's like trying to do. Something

1029
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna get out of the, house whatever it. Is

1030
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.599
<v Speaker 3>and someone asked him a, question What i'd love. THAT

1031
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:35.079
<v Speaker 3>i just want to say to you, here what what

1032
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.360
<v Speaker 3>what are you talking? ABOUT i gotta get out of.

1033
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Here with this with his hat like so high on

1034
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.199
<v Speaker 2>his head that he's about to fall, off.

1035
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 3>Fucking like my Uncle, pats.

1036
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like.

1037
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 3>Just fucking just just lays it on his head and

1038
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:54.840
<v Speaker 3>try to put it.

1039
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.639
<v Speaker 2>On say what you will about the complete hulk. Gain

1040
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 2>but every now and THEN i find my mind drifting

1041
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 2>to thoughts of the Lapsed. Funk oh for, sure one

1042
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.480
<v Speaker 2>of a kind cent of a bitch tailor To. Terry's, okay, yeah,

1043
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 2>right here's the crossroads finally right. Here, yeah.

1044
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 1>It was.

1045
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Crazy i'm not interested in wrestler. Anymore i'll drow it

1046
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 3>two or three times. Now i'm not gonna make any

1047
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 3>money at. IT i don't jump off the top. ROPE

1048
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:23.039
<v Speaker 3>i don't dropkick Brother aware to show. Me yeah, right

1049
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 3>we wanted, to And i'll COCAUS i can't fucking drop

1050
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 3>kick Brother.

1051
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 7>Terry.

1052
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Fuck oh, Hell, terry you're gonna let that sound up a.

1053
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Bit funk goes to the. Docks, hey you, actually.

1054
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 8>Fucking, dog you quit the. Business you could have been

1055
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 8>the biggest star of the damn. Business i'm gonna kick

1056
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.519
<v Speaker 8>in the fucking. Balls i'm gonna throw you off the,

1057
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 8>dock your son of a. Bitch if you don't, Cut

1058
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.239
<v Speaker 8>i'll tell you what it's. Like he's Like Ben affleck

1059
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 8>to Fucking Matt. Damon if you're still, Here i'm, LIKE

1060
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 8>i kick your. Ass i'm off every fucking, day every

1061
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 8>fucking des.

1062
00:55:58.719 --> 00:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Go, Baby.

1063
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the most like a guy in the. WORLD

1064
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.000
<v Speaker 3>i may look, GREAT i may have a physical, presence

1065
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.679
<v Speaker 3>But i'm off this technical wrestler for The. Olympics on

1066
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 3>top of, THAT i told HIM i didn't lot the wrestling.

1067
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.280
<v Speaker 3>LIFESTYLE i don't like all the drinking and the hell

1068
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 3>raised in the. Atmosphere, yeah, OKAY i just want to stay. Home,

1069
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 3>well there's this guy In New, york this promoter who

1070
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 3>heard about you when you were in The, Pensacola alabama

1071
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 3>territory and when you were In, MEMPHIS i, mean and

1072
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 3>he heard.

1073
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 1>All direct.

1074
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Quotes he heard that wherever you would, wrestle the arenas

1075
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 3>would be sold, out and that the crowd really responded to,

1076
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 3>you and he wants to see. You Then Terry funk

1077
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:48.760
<v Speaker 3>told me that this guy In New york was a

1078
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.440
<v Speaker 3>good friend of his father who's also a. Promoter and

1079
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 3>this guy literally Ran Madison Square garden and his name

1080
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Is vince McMahon authimistic man runs the world entertainment to.

1081
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Day this Was vince's, Father vince mickmahon. Senior, really he

1082
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 3>isn't really A vincent McMahon, junior because you have to

1083
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.480
<v Speaker 3>have the same middle. Name like that's how that, works, Right.

1084
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's. Not they called they called him, junior but

1085
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.639
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't see junior on his Birth.

1086
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.519
<v Speaker 3>He also couldn't Be vince nickmon. Senior it wouldn't because

1087
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't make sense to call him.

1088
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:25.480
<v Speaker 2>That, no, RIGHT.

1089
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:29.119
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know the, name AND i Told HERRY i

1090
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 3>sold wasn't, interested AND i figured that would be the

1091
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.519
<v Speaker 3>end of. It but the next Day terry called me

1092
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 3>at home and asked me to come down to The

1093
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.519
<v Speaker 3>Florida Wrestling. OFFICE i didn't want to, go BUT i

1094
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 3>couldn't say no to him WHEN i got. There, No,

1095
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 3>No WHEN i got, there it wasn't Just Terry funk

1096
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 3>waiting for. Me jack And Jerry brisco were there, too

1097
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 3>and so Was Eddie graham and his Son. Mike oh

1098
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking give me a fucking hard time bullying me right.

1099
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 3>Away he bullied me to go To New. York BUT

1100
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:57.800
<v Speaker 3>i didn't want to go in, here But Mike graham fucking threatened, me,

1101
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 3>dude little. Bitch Mike, Graham, yeah mid, event.

1102
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Midget.

1103
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah they also had in this room and talked to

1104
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.599
<v Speaker 3>me LIKE i could a fucking intervention going on here pretty.

1105
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:08.480
<v Speaker 2>MUCH i, Mean.

1106
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Jesus, christ, LIKE i love how all these guys want

1107
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 3>him to go work someplace. Else you, Know Terry, Funk

1108
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 3>riscoes and The grahams want. HIM i, mean even though

1109
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.000
<v Speaker 3>this is a bullshit, story but even if it were,

1110
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 3>true they don't want him to make money for. Them

1111
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 3>they want him to make money for somebody.

1112
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Else don't forget, though don't forget the close ties Between

1113
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Eddie graham And Vince senior and how they would share

1114
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>talent on the. Regular so If hulk goes To New

1115
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.880
<v Speaker 2>york and hits it, Big eddie's thinking on the other,

1116
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Side he's coming Into florida and make some. Money you.

1117
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Know they also had this room and talks to me all.

1118
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Along i've thought that his wrestlers really didn't lock. Me

1119
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 3>they said that wasn't. True they were just testing me

1120
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 3>to see IF i could stick it out or kick it. Out, brother,

1121
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.480
<v Speaker 3>right IF i could make it so they, say.

1122
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.800
<v Speaker 2>After they realize you can actually draw, money, right they

1123
00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 2>pretend that it was all a master fucking.

1124
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Play i've always said that we thought That Terry belaya

1125
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 3>was a big guy who could always made. MONEY i

1126
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 3>always thought he could make, money mister. McMahon, OH i

1127
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 3>always thought he could make, money mister. McMahon HAD i

1128
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 3>started the doc SO i THOUGHT i was a you,

1129
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:24.960
<v Speaker 3>KNOW i had caves. In i'd give it. Up they

1130
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 3>gave me all this confidence THAT i could be a

1131
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.400
<v Speaker 3>big star in the world of wrestling IF i came,

1132
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 3>back IF i just stayed with. It he kept working,

1133
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 3>hard and they SAID i needed to talk with Vincick.

1134
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 3>MAN i still wasn't completely, convinced but they got me

1135
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 3>to SAY i talked to, Him so they called Vincick

1136
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Man senior and put him on the. Speakerphone vince, Said,

1137
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 3>HEY i want you TO i want you to come

1138
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.400
<v Speaker 3>up north next. WEEK i was real horses. ASS i,

1139
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Said i'll come, up But i'm not bringing my wrestling.

1140
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Stuff i'll come up and talk to, you BUT i

1141
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.360
<v Speaker 3>don't want to. Wrestle looking, back it didn't make any

1142
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:57.880
<v Speaker 3>sense for me to say. That, HELL i was making

1143
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Speaker 3>the trip, anyway but those were the CONDITIONS i, made

1144
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 3>and this Man senior accepted, them SO i flew up.

1145
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.360
<v Speaker 3>North that's it turned. Out they didn't bring, it and

1146
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 3>they didn't bring me In New. York they probably An, Allentown,

1147
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.519
<v Speaker 3>pennsylvania and for the first TIME i came face to

1148
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 3>face with McMahon's.

1149
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 2>We're getting.

1150
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Closer we are.

1151
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Now why would he invent this part of the story

1152
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Involving Terry. Funk, well maybe because if you Hear Jerry

1153
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.159
<v Speaker 2>briscoe tell it as he told it to our Friend Brad,

1154
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Bulucchian hulk And edge just showed up one day at

1155
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:33.000
<v Speaker 2>The brisco's house started shooting some pool and that's where

1156
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the idea was approached of him, going of course To New.

1157
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.239
<v Speaker 2>York and if you don't want your if you don't

1158
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 2>want The, briscoes who you. KNOW i think by this

1159
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.000
<v Speaker 2>point we've established that The hulkochan looked at kind of a,

1160
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.880
<v Speaker 2>skance you, know kind of skeptically as to what their

1161
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:47.519
<v Speaker 2>true intentions. Were if it was all just a big

1162
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.360
<v Speaker 2>practical joke to make this big oaf think that we

1163
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>were breaking him into the business while all the time

1164
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 2>we were just entertaining ourselves with how green he was

1165
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 2>and incapable he. Was maybe you wouldn't want to give

1166
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:00.880
<v Speaker 2>them that kind of central role in the. Story maybe

1167
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.599
<v Speaker 2>that that's where the utility of Introducing terry Funk, is

1168
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the guy who went down to the docks comes. From

1169
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 2>but Here Jerry brisco in conversation With Brad, beluccian tells

1170
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.400
<v Speaker 2>us how he remembers playing a role and Getting terry

1171
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 2>back into the.

1172
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.320
<v Speaker 9>Business right in that room where you came in WHEN

1173
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.360
<v Speaker 9>i WHEN i first bought that, place that was a

1174
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 9>rec room and that's My florida room, there but it

1175
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 9>was a rec. ROOM i had a pool table in,

1176
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 9>There my brother was. OVER i think it was A friday.

1177
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.679
<v Speaker 9>Night my brother brother was over and we're having a

1178
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:32.679
<v Speaker 9>couple of beers and playing. Pool all of a sudden

1179
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 9>they get a knock on the. Door open the door

1180
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 9>and it's and It's terry And Eddie Leslie beefkay Is

1181
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.400
<v Speaker 9>eddie at the, Time, hey, guys come on.

1182
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.239
<v Speaker 5>In they come in and watch.

1183
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.880
<v Speaker 9>Up and we'd always told you when we knew the

1184
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.639
<v Speaker 9>place For terry to eventually.

1185
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 5>End up Was convince Mcmat.

1186
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.880
<v Speaker 9>He knew because that's where all the big guys, went

1187
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 9>and we knew he was too big for this.

1188
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 2>TERRITORY i, mean you, know too, bad too big For

1189
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Mike graham to allow him to be big in this.

1190
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:08.239
<v Speaker 9>Territory thirty. Major you, know he's a heavyweight champion in the. World,

1191
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 9>Right Dusty road, was you, know six to one and three,

1192
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.079
<v Speaker 9>hundred but he wasn't big.

1193
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.840
<v Speaker 7>Big what do you Think terry's legit height was back?

1194
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.719
<v Speaker 5>Then probably six six six. Seven.

1195
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:21.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah so EVEN i, mean that's interesting because even though your,

1196
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.199
<v Speaker 6>OWNER i, MEAN i guess that goes to show the

1197
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 6>difference in the mindset back then that you're an owner Of.

1198
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 6>Florida but even though he could be he, was you,

1199
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 6>know it could be big money for.

1200
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.920
<v Speaker 7>You you you were willing to you knew that he

1201
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:35.559
<v Speaker 7>would end up in a.

1202
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:36.360
<v Speaker 5>Difference we knew he.

1203
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:36.760
<v Speaker 10>Did and.

1204
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 5>It was A southwice deal.

1205
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 9>Too we had a great working relationship With Vince senior

1206
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 9>because we were In South, Florida, Miami Fort, Launderdale West.

1207
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 5>Palm who goes down? There who in the? Winter card?

1208
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:50.840
<v Speaker 5>Man it's A New yorkers down.

1209
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:52.840
<v Speaker 9>There so we knew if he went up there and

1210
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.159
<v Speaker 9>got all that and and if you wanted on a,

1211
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.480
<v Speaker 9>magazine you had a. Head he used to send us

1212
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 9>up To New york so we'd get magazine. Cover because

1213
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.480
<v Speaker 9>they were Fortunate bill after dad retired and moved down

1214
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 9>To West Palm, beach So bill would come down To

1215
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 9>florida to visit his, parents So florida would get get that. Exclusion,

1216
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 9>well we had a great working relationship with With Vince senior.

1217
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 9>ALWAYS i mean we had a invest McMahon senior CLASSIC

1218
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 9>i think down In, Hollywood florida and in vent and

1219
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 9>then both vincas we were. There we had that really

1220
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 9>good working relationship with the. Guy so we knew if

1221
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 9>he went up there that it would benefit us in

1222
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:33.079
<v Speaker 9>the long run, also and and you, Know jack AND

1223
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 9>i we owned the, territory but we also if we

1224
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.000
<v Speaker 9>were friends with, you you, know and you weren't getting along.

1225
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.800
<v Speaker 9>HERE i can't tell you how Many ricky, steamboats The

1226
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 9>dutchman tells THE i can't Rick. MARTEL i can't tell

1227
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 9>you how many people that we sent out here to other.

1228
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.400
<v Speaker 9>Places they were our friends and we wanted to see

1229
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.199
<v Speaker 9>him to do. Good and we knew the long term

1230
01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:59.840
<v Speaker 9>set up Of florida that they weren't going to they

1231
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:02.199
<v Speaker 9>were gonna get mid, level and they weren't going to

1232
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 9>get because they weren't gonna get Past. Dusty they weren't

1233
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:07.880
<v Speaker 9>getting pass. Jacked they weren't get passed. Me certain might

1234
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.199
<v Speaker 9>weren't get past my. Ground there were certain guys that

1235
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 9>they were the, problem would be stuck right and that

1236
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 9>they were much. Better so we looked out for our

1237
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 9>friends due when we had the connection because we were

1238
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.880
<v Speaker 9>ownership and in a territory and we were able to.

1239
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Call and place the.

1240
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 9>Guy so it was it was a friend, deal but

1241
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:28.880
<v Speaker 9>it was also in the back of my mind when

1242
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 9>if he goes To New, york we're gonna we're still

1243
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 9>gonna have access to him anytime we, want and he's

1244
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:37.519
<v Speaker 9>gonna have all that coverage and, everything so anyway they

1245
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:40.079
<v Speaker 9>can come knocking on my. Door one, night we're in

1246
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 9>there playing, pool they GRAB. Q so they grabbed PULL

1247
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.599
<v Speaker 9>q and a beer and we started be assing around

1248
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:50.920
<v Speaker 9>And terry, said hey, man he, SAID i can't making on,

1249
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 9>this you know my shows on.

1250
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.760
<v Speaker 5>THIS i got to go. Somewhere he's not making much.

1251
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.480
<v Speaker 9>Money we're not making much, money And i'm jumping ahead

1252
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.440
<v Speaker 9>because we'd already send him To. Tennessee that's where the

1253
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 9>first place we sent him To, tennessee we Called.

1254
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Louis who was a booker here In.

1255
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:11.360
<v Speaker 9>Florida And louis was a real bright booker and really really,

1256
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.760
<v Speaker 9>astudent really sharp sharp. Guy it wasn't like by a

1257
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:17.119
<v Speaker 9>lot of, gods but he. Was he was really good

1258
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 9>what he. Did and so we knew if we send

1259
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:22.519
<v Speaker 9>him To, Louis louis would take care of, him take

1260
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:25.960
<v Speaker 9>care of. Him on our, words we sent him To.

1261
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 9>Tennessee jack bought him another pair of, boots AND i

1262
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.159
<v Speaker 9>gave him one hundred. Dollars bill told, him pay me

1263
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.400
<v Speaker 9>back whenever you. Can by the, way he did pay me.

1264
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 9>Back and not with interest Though. Tennessee and we told him.

1265
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.480
<v Speaker 9>There we told him at that, time, There, terry go

1266
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:47.519
<v Speaker 9>up there and get you. Experience and when you think

1267
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:50.960
<v Speaker 9>you're ready in your, mind don't listen to. Them but

1268
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 9>in your mind you think you're, ready you come back

1269
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.039
<v Speaker 9>And jack will get you booked In New. York he'll

1270
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 9>Call Vince. Senior he'll get you booked In New. York right,

1271
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.320
<v Speaker 9>then it was Just vince because there's no junior player

1272
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:01.639
<v Speaker 9>at the.

1273
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 5>Time It's. Advance so they that's.

1274
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 9>Reading the knock on the door, Came i'm, Ready i'm,

1275
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 9>Ready i'm, Ready i'm, Ready i'm. Ready, well you had

1276
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 9>a good run up. There AND i always kept touch

1277
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:16.199
<v Speaker 9>With louis and With jarrett And lawnern always knew that

1278
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:21.000
<v Speaker 9>he was having to there go, there, goes, yeah they are. Here,

1279
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:24.280
<v Speaker 9>wow they'll go over the neighbors over there and get

1280
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:24.920
<v Speaker 9>some food over.

1281
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 2>There take a, moment what the fuck is.

1282
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.960
<v Speaker 9>The, house and said we're, Ready we're. Ready So jack

1283
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:35.199
<v Speaker 9>picks up the phone and and LIKE i, said at The,

1284
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 9>Friday friday Or saturday the water or not it, was

1285
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.960
<v Speaker 9>and picks up the, phone Calls, advance And vance Takes

1286
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:44.159
<v Speaker 9>jack's word on you telling him to come on up

1287
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 9>and come on.

1288
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.480
<v Speaker 5>Up I'll i'll take care of. Him i'll take a

1289
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:48.920
<v Speaker 5>look at. Him and so you all sat.

1290
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 3>There it is that's the. Story, wow all right there it.

1291
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Is that's the. Truth the last fan wrestling.

1292
01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Podcast he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast With jack n

1293
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:34.960
<v Speaker 1>for AN SEO Mjp.

1294
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Soro, well first of, all it's important to note that

1295
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.360
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the, Conversation brad was asking him about Why

1296
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.239
<v Speaker 2>hulk quit the business in the first place when he

1297
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.840
<v Speaker 2>was working For, florida WHEN i was working for the

1298
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.480
<v Speaker 2>office these guys, owned and he started telling this story

1299
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Conflating hulk quitting the business the first time because he

1300
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:54.079
<v Speaker 2>was being mistreated By Florida Championship wrestling according to, him

1301
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:55.800
<v Speaker 2>AND i think according to a reasonable read of the,

1302
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:59.280
<v Speaker 2>circumstances and this which is when he quit the business

1303
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:01.719
<v Speaker 2>after being decided fight In memphis and then come back

1304
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:04.519
<v Speaker 2>to the docks later. On he kind of realizes that

1305
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:08.119
<v Speaker 2>there were two different. Episodes but it's just an example

1306
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.000
<v Speaker 2>of kind of the difficulty here because people want to

1307
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 2>even congeal together holts different starts and, stops and wrestling

1308
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.399
<v Speaker 2>is just one time he quit and one time he

1309
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 2>came in, right and this idea that like he knew

1310
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 2>all along That New york was an. Option like if

1311
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:24.880
<v Speaker 2>he knew all Along New york was an, option why

1312
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:26.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't he go there to begaining? Right why is he

1313
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 2>going back to the docks thinking this is What i'm

1314
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:30.880
<v Speaker 2>making In memphis is What i'm going to make in the.

1315
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Business and that's the beginning and end of. It And

1316
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.279
<v Speaker 2>american people to get anywhere. Else, NO i, mean they

1317
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.800
<v Speaker 2>realized he was making money and they couldn't underpay him,

1318
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:40.560
<v Speaker 2>anymore and they wanted to keep making that, money and

1319
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:42.840
<v Speaker 2>so they had to. DO i think what it took

1320
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to facilitate him being able to access the kind of

1321
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.159
<v Speaker 2>bank that he would leave the union work behind and,

1322
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 2>actually you, know see the kind of paychecks That New

1323
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.479
<v Speaker 2>york could afford to cut and keep him in the

1324
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:54.600
<v Speaker 2>business and, hopefully As jerry made very clear in those

1325
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 2>in those, comments win a bit on the back end

1326
01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:58.800
<v Speaker 2>when after becoming a name In New york and getting

1327
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the magazine coverage and, such they could bring him back

1328
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.079
<v Speaker 2>down To florida and start making some money off the.

1329
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:04.520
<v Speaker 2>GUY i think that's pretty MUCH i think that's pretty

1330
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 2>much what we're dealing with. Here as far As Terry,

1331
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Funk brad did talk to brisco about that component of,

1332
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:11.840
<v Speaker 2>things Because brad came into a lot of these interviews

1333
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.359
<v Speaker 2>having Read holts books as well as we're doing right.

1334
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Now and here's What briscoe would say About Terry funk's

1335
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:18.479
<v Speaker 2>roll or lack the rob in the whole thing.

1336
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:20.199
<v Speaker 5>Problem it might have been.

1337
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 6>Winning and he also says That Terry funk played a

1338
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.680
<v Speaker 6>role in encouraging him to keep.

1339
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:26.800
<v Speaker 7>Going you remember.

1340
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.199
<v Speaker 5>THAT i don't remember, that But Terry. Funk, Yeah, yeah That's.

1341
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.319
<v Speaker 9>Terry And terry probably looked at him and saw the

1342
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 9>same thing that my brother AND i.

1343
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.119
<v Speaker 5>Saw yeah, Yeah and about that one, Bit terry was

1344
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:38.760
<v Speaker 5>down here a.

1345
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 9>Lot, Yeah And terry was a guy that liked hit

1346
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:44.119
<v Speaker 9>the water and Established.

1347
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Marcella, okay all, right he drank a lot and. Smile

1348
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.720
<v Speaker 2>SO i MEAN i went in a little like detective

1349
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:56.640
<v Speaker 2>mission to look at the record Of Hulk cogan's matches

1350
01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 2>in seventy, nine which we pretty much have listed every

1351
01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.600
<v Speaker 2>single one of them this far in the, journey and

1352
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.640
<v Speaker 2>try to find, out like where in this whole trajectory

1353
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.560
<v Speaker 2>is there enough of a gap where he could have

1354
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:08.920
<v Speaker 2>really gone back to the docks in a way where

1355
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it's Like i'm, done you, know because if it was

1356
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the clean break he talked, About he's not just going

1357
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:15.279
<v Speaker 2>to go to the docks for one weekend and then

1358
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.000
<v Speaker 2>wrestle the next. Weekend, right he makes it sound like

1359
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.640
<v Speaker 2>he just Left, memphis like fuck. This AND i couldn't

1360
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.039
<v Speaker 2>find any gap of any appreciable length in all of

1361
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:28.119
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine for this. GUY i don't know where

1362
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.039
<v Speaker 2>the hell this moment came where he went back to

1363
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the docks and left the business behind And Terry funk

1364
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.079
<v Speaker 2>had to come find. Him there's like a two WEEK i,

1365
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>mean he's pretty much working every week in nineteen seventy

1366
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:41.039
<v Speaker 2>nine upon starting With Ron fuller In. March there is

1367
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:43.399
<v Speaker 2>like a two week gap in the fall of nineteen

1368
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.119
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine where he has his final match for The

1369
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Memphis territory Against Ron bass On september sixth the Rupp

1370
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.520
<v Speaker 2>arena In, Lexington. Kentucky it doesn't wrestle, again according To

1371
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling data Dot com Until september twenty, ninth nineteen seventy,

1372
01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:59.479
<v Speaker 2>nine and that's not In New. York that's For Georgia Championship.

1373
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling everyone that talks About Hall cogan's story here jumps

1374
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.079
<v Speaker 2>From memphis To New. York but the fact of the

1375
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:10.840
<v Speaker 2>matter Is georgia and his return To. Southeastern all those,

1376
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:13.479
<v Speaker 2>matches Remember boss we covered at the end of seventy,

1377
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 2>nine after The PLAN B Knoxville war had played, out

1378
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and Suddenly knoxville was opened up and sold in fact

1379
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.520
<v Speaker 2>By Ron fuller To Jimmy, barnett and thus all of

1380
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.800
<v Speaker 2>The georgia wrestlers that work for Jim barnett started to

1381
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.960
<v Speaker 2>be able to go to those. Circuits hulk is now

1382
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:31.439
<v Speaker 2>hyperactive in late seventy nine all over the. Place way before.

1383
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 3>He goes To New.

1384
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 2>YORK i mean, way not, way but clearly before he

1385
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 2>goes To New. York it's not like a little bit

1386
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.840
<v Speaker 2>of this on a little bit of. That he does

1387
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 2>His georgia run and then he goes down there up,

1388
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.199
<v Speaker 2>THERE i should say TO, wwf there's No he comes

1389
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:50.159
<v Speaker 2>back and Mixes georgia And southeastern In knoxville a little

1390
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.960
<v Speaker 2>bit back. Together towards the end of seventy, nine including

1391
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.600
<v Speaker 2>The Christmas night losing of the, championship The Southeastern heavyweight

1392
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.239
<v Speaker 2>title To Bob armstrong that we actually found tape of and.

1393
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Watched it's so wrong to just like cut out the

1394
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:09.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking NATIONAL tbs. EXPOSURE i think probably would happen more than,

1395
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:12.399
<v Speaker 2>anything because just as much As Eddie graham had that

1396
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.640
<v Speaker 2>connective tissue With vince, McMahon so Did, georgia Because georgia

1397
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.439
<v Speaker 2>would borrow a lot From Eddie graham and would borrow

1398
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of talent in an. Exchange And Jim barnett

1399
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:21.720
<v Speaker 2>had a good relationship With Vince senior as, well very

1400
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:22.920
<v Speaker 2>good in. Fact you, know look at the fact That

1401
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Jim barnett went to work For Vince junior in eighty

1402
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.359
<v Speaker 2>three When Vin's junior had pretty much no credibility yet

1403
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 2>built up in the business as this kid that, was you,

1404
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:31.840
<v Speaker 2>know in over his head trying to take over the

1405
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:35.359
<v Speaker 2>old man's business and down, there you, know Because, jimmy

1406
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.239
<v Speaker 2>as we talked about on The Black Saturday, journey had

1407
01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:41.239
<v Speaker 2>been so, disenchanted let's, say With Ollie, anderson who was

1408
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:44.000
<v Speaker 2>accusing him of all kinds of misdeeds and really going

1409
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.840
<v Speaker 2>to the mat trying to Force Jimmy barnett out of,

1410
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.720
<v Speaker 2>power that he just went fuck this and went With,

1411
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:50.680
<v Speaker 2>vince who then came down there and absolutely conquered all

1412
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:54.279
<v Speaker 2>his ass and put him in his. Place so we

1413
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:57.439
<v Speaker 2>had we had a situation where he's going To. GEORGIA

1414
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.680
<v Speaker 2>i think he probably went To georgia as this conduit

1415
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.039
<v Speaker 2>To New york more than the idea that Like florida

1416
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.279
<v Speaker 2>figured they would get him back because he doesn't wrestle In.

1417
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Florida the fact of the matter is he doesn't wrestle In.

1418
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Florida in nineteen seventy, nine he wrestles For Georgia Champiship,

1419
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.800
<v Speaker 2>wrestling he wrestles for THE, wwwf and he wrestles For

1420
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.680
<v Speaker 2>southeastern and The knoxville shows we just talked. About he

1421
01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.840
<v Speaker 2>even goes and apparently wins the one of the elusive

1422
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.560
<v Speaker 2>championships That Louis tillette didn't put on him in the first.

1423
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Place but according To Ron, fuller led to him jumping

1424
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:27.560
<v Speaker 2>To memphis at the end of the, day that they

1425
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.119
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't strap him up In southeastern when he was, wrestling you,

1426
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 2>know for any period of, time when he's wrestling the

1427
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 2>likes Of Boston, Idol Knox, baker and so it's very

1428
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:39.600
<v Speaker 2>strange that people remember him going from throwing his hands

1429
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:42.640
<v Speaker 2>up in the wrestling business In memphis and then getting

1430
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 2>connected With vince McMahon out of like a sort of

1431
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:48.000
<v Speaker 2>like a desperate plea to get him back into the wrestling.

1432
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Business because he doesn't go To New york right. Away in,

1433
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.479
<v Speaker 2>fact he goes to a gig that's just about as

1434
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 2>high profile as any other gig he had Before New,

1435
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.640
<v Speaker 2>york which Is. Georgia there's actual tape of. This everyone

1436
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:01.760
<v Speaker 2>who had, cable satellite, cable which if you, know admittedly

1437
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:05.000
<v Speaker 2>was very limited penetration at the, time but it's not

1438
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:06.760
<v Speaker 2>like he was operating just this little corner of the

1439
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 2>wrestling world that nobody outside the confines Of atlanta was

1440
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 2>able to. See this is The Sterling, golden this is

1441
01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Where Sterling golden comes. From it's this is this is

1442
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.199
<v Speaker 2>We this is holes so, convoluted even for wrestling, history

1443
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:20.520
<v Speaker 2>it really.

1444
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Is it's really crazy.

1445
01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Because everyone's version of the, story like when you look

1446
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.840
<v Speaker 2>at the actual chronology of where he was and when

1447
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it just can't be that it doesn't make any sense

1448
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:31.560
<v Speaker 2>that what went that, way like the fact that nobody

1449
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.840
<v Speaker 2>has as part of their. Story, yeah he went to FUCKING,

1450
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:37.319
<v Speaker 2>tbs which was the biggest wrestling territory time with the

1451
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:41.159
<v Speaker 2>sickest television clearance from a national, perspective And Jimmy barnett

1452
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.760
<v Speaker 2>running point one of the most respected and kind of

1453
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.760
<v Speaker 2>enterprising and dominant and select promoters in the. Business no

1454
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.680
<v Speaker 2>one mentions when he did when he went To. Georgia

1455
01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:55.159
<v Speaker 2>even in his own. Books hulk is very opaque about

1456
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:57.560
<v Speaker 2>when he was actually In. Georgia AND i think we've

1457
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 2>established very. CLEARLY i think you'd, Agree, boss having at

1458
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.680
<v Speaker 2>all the newspaper, clippings all of the newspaper, advertisements for

1459
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.199
<v Speaker 2>all the matches That hulk did For Ron fuller and

1460
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:08.640
<v Speaker 2>For Jerry jarrett And Jerry, lawler he had not been

1461
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Called Sterling. Golden he just had.

1462
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:10.239
<v Speaker 11>Not.

1463
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.479
<v Speaker 2>NO i, know there's that loose end Of Ron fuller

1464
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:17.560
<v Speaker 2>saying on his podcast that On Southeastern Television Terry boulder

1465
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:22.239
<v Speaker 2>would often have verbal battles with his Manager Billy spears

1466
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Over Billy speers wanting to call Him Sterling golden when

1467
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:26.960
<v Speaker 2>he preferred to be Called terry The Hulk. BOULDER i

1468
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.640
<v Speaker 2>see no evidence of that. Whatsoever there's not a single

1469
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:32.760
<v Speaker 2>newspaper ad and the newspapers down there where he's ever

1470
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:34.920
<v Speaker 2>listed As Sterling golden as far AS i can, tell

1471
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:39.159
<v Speaker 2>until he goes To. Georgia so where does The Sterling

1472
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.560
<v Speaker 2>golden thing? Happen if he goes straight From memphis To

1473
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 2>Vince senior and Becomes Hulk, coogan because that's that's where

1474
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:47.840
<v Speaker 2>he gets the. NAME i don't, know But i'm here

1475
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:50.239
<v Speaker 2>to tell you that if there's any gap at all

1476
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.840
<v Speaker 2>in his nineteen seventy nine where we might be able

1477
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.479
<v Speaker 2>to pencil in his sort of like hiatus from the,

1478
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.399
<v Speaker 2>business it would be Between september sixth And september twenty

1479
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>ninth of nineteen. Seven but just to hear others like

1480
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Those facebook, posts it was it was even before. That

1481
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it was in seventy eight that he was active in and.

1482
01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Out so we're doing our best, here and we're laying

1483
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:13.479
<v Speaker 2>all the facts on the. TABLE i guess it's up

1484
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.479
<v Speaker 2>to you to. Decide so you've only conveyed his first.

1485
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Book how about his second? Boss how about his second

1486
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:20.640
<v Speaker 2>bite at the? Apple let's see if we can detect

1487
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:23.640
<v Speaker 2>an irregularities here and consistent here coming to the boss,

1488
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Man go right, ahead no, Boy.

1489
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.680
<v Speaker 3>So part of me was wondering that part of me, Was,

1490
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.399
<v Speaker 3>yeah part of me is turning to wonder if my

1491
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.279
<v Speaker 3>music career had a cap on a top of the.

1492
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.039
<v Speaker 3>Two and HERE i was my early twenties and already

1493
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:46.239
<v Speaker 3>starting to give up in between. BANDS i wound up

1494
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:49.880
<v Speaker 3>falling back on an Old Port tampa, mindset trying to

1495
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:52.119
<v Speaker 3>lanne a regular, job a THING i SWORE i never.

1496
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you.

1497
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Know one of the first PLACES i applied Was Tampa

1498
01:16:54.960 --> 01:17:00.079
<v Speaker 3>Electric Company. Tech the general feeling around town was and

1499
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:02.760
<v Speaker 3>if you worked for Electric, company want a job to

1500
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.520
<v Speaker 3>GET i was security for. Life But i've never heard

1501
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:08.640
<v Speaker 3>back from. Them another TIME i applied At Honeywell Electronics

1502
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:11.680
<v Speaker 3>company that was another big deal employer Or. TAMPA i

1503
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.199
<v Speaker 3>never heard back from them, either you. Know, FINALLY i

1504
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:17.119
<v Speaker 3>applied At Anheuser. Bush you'll he had a big plant

1505
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Between tampa And Saint. Pete SO i, thought AND i,

1506
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:21.359
<v Speaker 3>thought IF i could get in there and start unloading

1507
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:22.960
<v Speaker 3>the beer off the, Trucks i'm gonna work my way.

1508
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Up that's what everyone always told. Me you, know you

1509
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:27.159
<v Speaker 3>could wind up driving one of those trucks and making

1510
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:29.720
<v Speaker 3>at promoted a, supervisor and then you can be district.

1511
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.640
<v Speaker 3>MAN i want to know who said. THIS i know

1512
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:37.760
<v Speaker 3>that's a loss to. Him that's a. Lot who, Said, Oh,

1513
01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:41.680
<v Speaker 3>terry you could become district manager. Someday, oh that's pretty

1514
01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:45.479
<v Speaker 3>fucking exciting to. Me on and on and if you do,

1515
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.720
<v Speaker 3>that if you put in your twenty five thirty Years

1516
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:50.319
<v Speaker 3>anhuis Or, bush you'll be. Set. Well guess. WHAT i

1517
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.079
<v Speaker 3>never heard back from. Them the one PLACE i did

1518
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.840
<v Speaker 3>find work was on the Diz ox on the off

1519
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:58.720
<v Speaker 3>the twenty Second street. Causeway AND i was around two

1520
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:00.600
<v Speaker 3>undred and fifty pounds in those, days a lot more

1521
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:02.960
<v Speaker 3>cut THAN i am. Today you could actually see my

1522
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.720
<v Speaker 3>stomach muscles back and then instead of this one big

1523
01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:10.560
<v Speaker 3>ABB i got now and the Time i'd spend At

1524
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:13.119
<v Speaker 3>hector's gym made me strong enough to do some big.

1525
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Lifting Anthony barcelo one of the lead singers in one

1526
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.199
<v Speaker 3>of the one of the seven or eight. BAMS i

1527
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.840
<v Speaker 3>was in seven or eight? Bands did we count seven

1528
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 3>or eight?

1529
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 5>Pans?

1530
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:24.439
<v Speaker 3>THING i did you get? THERE i think it was

1531
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:26.520
<v Speaker 3>more like four or. FIVE i don't, KNOW i was seven or. Eight,

1532
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.239
<v Speaker 3>yeah you, know helped me. Out his dad was in

1533
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:31.279
<v Speaker 3>The Laborers union and he got my name on the.

1534
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:33.399
<v Speaker 3>Books so every Time i'd get sick of a, band

1535
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.159
<v Speaker 3>when the guys were bitching and, COMPLAINING i go back

1536
01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and put my name on those. Books is a way

1537
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:41.560
<v Speaker 3>to change gears and make. Money. Yeah first they sent

1538
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 3>me out on construction, jobs on pouring concrete or helping electrical.

1539
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Workers and one day if they send me out at

1540
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:50.600
<v Speaker 3>the docks to help load and unload. SHIPS i took

1541
01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:53.479
<v Speaker 3>to that real, quick AND i was good at anything

1542
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:57.840
<v Speaker 3>to do with. Math doesn't want to came to paydays.

1543
01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:58.520
<v Speaker 5>Every one, AGAIN i know.

1544
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:00.119
<v Speaker 7>A.

1545
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.800
<v Speaker 3>Word you can't any money, exactly and figuring out how

1546
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:05.560
<v Speaker 3>to load these ships the right. Way it was all

1547
01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:09.079
<v Speaker 3>about math and. Balance it is important too if you

1548
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:11.399
<v Speaker 3>had a big ship going To singapore Or tokyo and

1549
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:13.920
<v Speaker 3>that shit zip wasn't loaded, correctly you could sink.

1550
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:14.199
<v Speaker 1>It no.

1551
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Joke they threw me down in the, hole AND i

1552
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:19.600
<v Speaker 3>worked real. Hard at the point where they invited me

1553
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:22.479
<v Speaker 3>to join The Longshoreman's. UNION i was the first white

1554
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.880
<v Speaker 3>guy ever to get into Long Short's Humian Longshores union

1555
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Long Shoreman's Union union In, tampa believe it or. Not

1556
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.399
<v Speaker 3>and MORE i, worked the BETTER i got to figure

1557
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.000
<v Speaker 3>out how to load these these ships and these big

1558
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.479
<v Speaker 3>containers on meat and fertilizer or whatever the product of

1559
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.960
<v Speaker 3>the day. Was So i'd always do it just the right.

1560
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Way so they kept me on these twelves before they

1561
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.439
<v Speaker 3>kept they kept me in this in this. Version so

1562
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:46.560
<v Speaker 3>they kept me on these twelve the fortune hour ships

1563
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:48.640
<v Speaker 3>for about six months UNTIL i was good at, it

1564
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:51.800
<v Speaker 3>and they invited me UNTIL i was so good at

1565
01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:55.239
<v Speaker 3>they invited me to join The Steve Doors. Union that

1566
01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:58.319
<v Speaker 3>was a really big. Deal Steve doors were the guys

1567
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.439
<v Speaker 3>on the deck of the ship telling everybody word like

1568
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:04.319
<v Speaker 3>put the, load just like, uh just Like bubba's. Wife,

1569
01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:06.279
<v Speaker 3>yeah good.

1570
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:09.359
<v Speaker 2>ONE i uh see here he's framing it in a

1571
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.319
<v Speaker 2>second book as the docks stuff as being coincident with

1572
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:14.960
<v Speaker 2>his music, career like it's something that he starts doing

1573
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:17.359
<v Speaker 2>out of frustration with the music not going. Well but

1574
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.600
<v Speaker 2>if he, like, no he had given up music by

1575
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:22.159
<v Speaker 2>the time he went in and tried to make it

1576
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>as a pro. Wrestler After Cocoa, beach he was out of.

1577
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Music SO i don't understand how he remembers doing the

1578
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.640
<v Speaker 2>docks as something he did between. GIGS i think he's

1579
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.479
<v Speaker 2>or maybe the author is conflating him taking work in

1580
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:36.600
<v Speaker 2>The Laborers union With, barcelo which he.

1581
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Did What i'm What i'm What i'm wondering is, though

1582
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:44.079
<v Speaker 3>did it seems like what he said in both books

1583
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:46.680
<v Speaker 3>that he'd always go back to the docks whenever something was.

1584
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Ending so it's like he probably started the. Docks we

1585
01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:52.239
<v Speaker 3>know he, started we know he started the docks right

1586
01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:55.000
<v Speaker 3>in when he was around the, bands but then he

1587
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:57.279
<v Speaker 3>just kept going back to it after wrestling gigs.

1588
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Whatever Is, yeah it sounds like, right it sounds like

1589
01:21:01.399 --> 01:21:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he it sounds like after getting involved with The Labor's,

1590
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.000
<v Speaker 2>union like he kind of told the story in the first,

1591
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:08.560
<v Speaker 2>book he kind of dipped his toe in The Steve

1592
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:10.560
<v Speaker 2>doring and kind of became aware of that side of

1593
01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:13.279
<v Speaker 2>things right, right and maybe did a little bit of you,

1594
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:16.239
<v Speaker 2>know introductory work and then later went whole, er more

1595
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:19.359
<v Speaker 2>whole hog into. It because it just DOESN'T i don't,

1596
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:22.960
<v Speaker 2>know it doesn't add up that he was taking doc

1597
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:24.880
<v Speaker 2>work while he was still involved in the.

1598
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Music that was that was.

1599
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Different that was like the the hard labor construction kind

1600
01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.920
<v Speaker 2>of jobs that he was talking, about like the the

1601
01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 2>phosphate plant or. Whatever he.

1602
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Said, anyway it's just you know this is our. STRUGGLE

1603
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.359
<v Speaker 3>i know this is Exactly that was a really big Deal,

1604
01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:42.840
<v Speaker 3>seawards so there al was a big man in charge

1605
01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:45.239
<v Speaker 3>up on, deck roasting in the hot. Sun BUT i

1606
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.880
<v Speaker 3>just kept picturing That Port tampa death, dude THAT PtD.

1607
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:51.520
<v Speaker 3>BROTHER i didn't want to live and die on those

1608
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.199
<v Speaker 3>diss hawks. BROTHER i wanted something different from my. LIFE

1609
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.520
<v Speaker 3>i was still. YOUNG i couldn't give, in not. YET

1610
01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.119
<v Speaker 3>i KNEW i had to walk. Away your music wasn't,

1611
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:01.239
<v Speaker 3>perfect but at LEAST i was having fun looking at

1612
01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:03.159
<v Speaker 3>it out in a crowd full of beautiful girls and

1613
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:05.920
<v Speaker 3>not sweating up on a container ship all. Day AND

1614
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.359
<v Speaker 3>i landed one of those JOBS i applied. For who

1615
01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:11.159
<v Speaker 3>knows what would happened if somebody had called me back

1616
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:13.279
<v Speaker 3>and hired me A Tampa electric and all those all

1617
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.720
<v Speaker 3>these friends started congratulating me on landing a great. Job

1618
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.079
<v Speaker 3>i'd probably still be working there. TODAY i might even

1619
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 3>be retired by. Now i'm SURE i would have been

1620
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.119
<v Speaker 3>a linesman with my own, crew a forman like my.

1621
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:26.399
<v Speaker 3>DAD i would have grown my go. Tea i'm SURE

1622
01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:28.439
<v Speaker 3>i would have lifted weights and taking steroids and become

1623
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 3>a legend in my own mind standing on the side

1624
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.640
<v Speaker 3>of the road all buffing ten with my hard hat,

1625
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.239
<v Speaker 3>on posting as everybody drove, by being that guy that

1626
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:39.439
<v Speaker 3>everyone wanted to be wanted me to be. Friends took

1627
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:43.359
<v Speaker 3>those gigs who turned up a temp job unloading trucks

1628
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:45.640
<v Speaker 3>into a twenty year. Career And i'm sure If i'd

1629
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.399
<v Speaker 3>have the opportunity making four or five six hundred bucks

1630
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:51.000
<v Speaker 3>a week that big union, MONEY i would have done it.

1631
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 3>TOO i just thank God i'd never panned. Out, honestly

1632
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:56.039
<v Speaker 3>at that point in my, LIFE i was nothing more

1633
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:57.960
<v Speaker 3>than a two hundred and fifty pound piece of. PUDDY

1634
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.680
<v Speaker 3>i had no, SKILL i had no. TRADE i didn't

1635
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.479
<v Speaker 3>have a degree in accountant or. BUSINESS i never even

1636
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.479
<v Speaker 3>thought about becoming a doctor or or a lawyer or

1637
01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.239
<v Speaker 3>a dentist or let alone a marine bolishes or something

1638
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:14.800
<v Speaker 3>interesting like the fucking they talking about talking. About, Honestly, okay,

1639
01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:16.760
<v Speaker 3>yeah so you never even thought. It so if you

1640
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:18.319
<v Speaker 3>never thought about, it why do you even bring it

1641
01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.960
<v Speaker 3>up in this? Book, like if you never thought about,

1642
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:22.920
<v Speaker 3>it who? CARES i get.

1643
01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.800
<v Speaker 2>It you didn't want to have a, Job, okay exactly

1644
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 2>know that's like the whole secret to all this is

1645
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:31.359
<v Speaker 2>that's what the wrestling business thrives off.

1646
01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:31.560
<v Speaker 11>Of AN.

1647
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Mma to some extent, too it's like just high school lasts, forever,

1648
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:38.279
<v Speaker 2>right they'd want people who don't want to have. Jobs, yes,

1649
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:40.279
<v Speaker 2>getcha all, RIGHT i hear. You and that's how you

1650
01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>can underpay. Them and you know WHAT i, mean all

1651
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that stuff coming out Of port, damn but that mindset

1652
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:49.039
<v Speaker 2>was just never, there you. Know it was just it

1653
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't something that you even dare to think. ABOUT i was.

1654
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.439
<v Speaker 3>LOST i was just looking for someone to point me

1655
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:58.239
<v Speaker 3>in the right. Direction The Bond june seventy, six this

1656
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.079
<v Speaker 3>pattern of movement between rock and roll And heart Our

1657
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.439
<v Speaker 3>labor was really. Getting there's no way in seventy sixties

1658
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:05.920
<v Speaker 3>on the, docks that's. No, YEAH i agree with. That

1659
01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.039
<v Speaker 3>oh he's on the docks before he goes To, metsuda.

1660
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Right but thing he started to click with this band

1661
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:17.279
<v Speaker 3>Called Rocks Cross Brother, rocks.

1662
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah again he puts it as as as

1663
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.319
<v Speaker 2>something that happens during The ruckus. Days went to, me

1664
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:28.880
<v Speaker 2>this happens all after The ruckus. Days but, yeah, right

1665
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>here's another bit where it gets us through To Vince

1666
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:41.880
<v Speaker 2>senior from his second, book didn't come through yet did

1667
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>he hit?

1668
01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>It?

1669
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Brother after a, While well we'll see. There oh, wait

1670
01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.920
<v Speaker 3>here we. Go, sorry it did come through after a.

1671
01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:52.199
<v Speaker 3>While the rays up to a hundred bucks are so

1672
01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>it didn't make any. Better you, know that was still

1673
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:56.920
<v Speaker 3>just just a. PRIZE a few seats in the whole?

1674
01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Arena was that ALL i was? WORTH i knew a

1675
01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 3>good portion those fans were there to see. ME i

1676
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.119
<v Speaker 3>built a. FOLLOWING i was one of THE i. WAS

1677
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.840
<v Speaker 3>i was doing spots ON tv and helping to probe

1678
01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.920
<v Speaker 3>the whole. Thing well he's just doing spots ON. Tv,

1679
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.319
<v Speaker 3>jesus come, on, BROTHER i KNEW i deserved. MORE i

1680
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>KNEW i was worth. More so when was clear that

1681
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:18.880
<v Speaker 3>there were no giant raises in my, FUTURE i took

1682
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:22.079
<v Speaker 3>a step back and try to reevaluate the whole. Situation my,

1683
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:25.560
<v Speaker 3>conclusion wrestling for no money. Sucks so this is jumping

1684
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:28.159
<v Speaker 3>ahead Into. Memphis, yeah, yeah so that was. That once,

1685
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:30.600
<v Speaker 3>AGAIN i decided to. QUIT i drove back down To,

1686
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.479
<v Speaker 3>tampa WHERE i always returned WHENEVER i wait a few days.

1687
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.239
<v Speaker 3>Off this, TIME i really THOUGHT i was quitting for.

1688
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Good Just roth thought it was. Out chapter. Seven Just

1689
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 3>roth thought it was. Out BROTHER a lot of, part

1690
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.119
<v Speaker 3>AND i knew seventy. NINE i set myself up in

1691
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a room with The expressway in a.

1692
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>HOTEL i. Know Fucking, yet so latter part of seventy.

1693
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Nine that does add up with that, gap that gap

1694
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>THAT i detected in his wrestling. Record so there's.

1695
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:04.439
<v Speaker 3>That, Okay, yeah fucking he's always fucking.

1696
01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:06.079
<v Speaker 4>Living in the.

1697
01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:07.279
<v Speaker 3>Hotel why can't he move back?

1698
01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Home, no because he doesn't want. To he doesn't want.

1699
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>To he doesn't want to have an anchor. Anywhere you,

1700
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>know he's a, vagamond he's a he's a, gipsy wants that,

1701
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:19.039
<v Speaker 2>life and he's he's gonna get it in music or

1702
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>wrestling or some. Way he's going to get a life

1703
01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:22.640
<v Speaker 2>where he is not tied.

1704
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Down, DUDE i guess it's just this is fucking wacky

1705
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>that he's always, that he's he's always fucking you know,

1706
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:35.920
<v Speaker 3>that that that that he can't go back To pete

1707
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:41.880
<v Speaker 3>And ruths don't get. That some don't you dare come

1708
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.039
<v Speaker 3>here living to live with, me you fucking. Asshole that

1709
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.680
<v Speaker 3>might have been part of the problem. Too now he's

1710
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:51.319
<v Speaker 3>taken any more of your fucking calls from those damn fake.

1711
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Athletes she fuck.

1712
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Her she didn't pass them through, anyway according To, jerry

1713
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>which is to blame for the whole. Misunderstanding but you,

1714
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i can just picture him being like so gotten

1715
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>too by the idea that you, know IF i go

1716
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>back To tampa and like really like live there, Again

1717
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:10.319
<v Speaker 2>i'll never get, out you, Know i'll end up getting

1718
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>one of these one of these dreaded jobs that will

1719
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:13.880
<v Speaker 2>keep me pin there for the rest of my. Life

1720
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>you can tell that that's like it's a classic you,

1721
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:21.039
<v Speaker 2>know rock and, roll you, Know wanderlust kind of. Exactly it's, all,

1722
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:25.119
<v Speaker 2>yeah it's that's that's that's the, uh that's that's the,

1723
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:29.239
<v Speaker 2>dreamer you, know, right the dreamer fears the ordinary, life,

1724
01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:32.039
<v Speaker 2>right he fears he's going to get co opted by,

1725
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>it and then it's going in a situation where you

1726
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.079
<v Speaker 2>CAN'T i get. It, yeah IT'S i.

1727
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:41.399
<v Speaker 3>Understand, yeah it wants to you. Know, Yeah i'm with.

1728
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.520
<v Speaker 5>You, yeah.

1729
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:46.600
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

1730
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:49.239
<v Speaker 3>UH a lot of Her sullivan a room with The

1731
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:51.520
<v Speaker 3>expressway and for eleven dollars or nine put AND i

1732
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:53.319
<v Speaker 3>put my name back on the books at The Long

1733
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.000
<v Speaker 3>shortman's And Steve Drs. Unions i'll still a member of.

1734
01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Both that's, why that's why you're for. Wrestling he's already

1735
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:01.720
<v Speaker 3>part of a bunch of fucking back on the. Books,

1736
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.560
<v Speaker 3>okay so, yeah that adds up that he was involved

1737
01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 3>in seventy, Eight but he makes it seem like it was.

1738
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:09.880
<v Speaker 3>All he doesn't make it seem like that was during

1739
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.520
<v Speaker 3>The Cocoa beach. Days but we know nineteen seventy eight

1740
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.079
<v Speaker 3>was Exclusively Coco. Beach that was his whole. Life so

1741
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:17.960
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't ever conflate those. Two he never he never

1742
01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>seems like he works at dogs. Then but it had

1743
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.000
<v Speaker 3>to be right because if he's saying in seventy nine

1744
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>he put his name back on the, books and we

1745
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:28.479
<v Speaker 3>know how busy he was in. Wrestling but if we

1746
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.600
<v Speaker 3>talk about, though if we think the idea that he

1747
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:36.279
<v Speaker 3>actually did try that he did get a job as

1748
01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:38.800
<v Speaker 3>a longshortman from his Band Buddy ye when he was

1749
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:40.279
<v Speaker 3>doing the, band and then he kept going back and

1750
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:42.159
<v Speaker 3>forth to, IT i CAN i can see that maybe

1751
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:44.399
<v Speaker 3>in somebody he didn't work the docks and then he's

1752
01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:47.520
<v Speaker 3>put his name back on the books after a couple of.

1753
01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Years maybe. Yeah, Yeah AND i was.

1754
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>With that too UNTIL i looked at a map Of,

1755
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.239
<v Speaker 2>florida And i'm, like if this Guy Billy johnson remembers

1756
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>working with him In Fort, pierce there's no way because that,

1757
01:28:56.840 --> 01:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>way that's that's way too far on the other side Of.

1758
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Florida it's it makes a lot more sense that he

1759
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>did that while In Cocoa beach game.

1760
01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, yeah all that time From Cocoa, Beach alabama And,

1761
01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:12.279
<v Speaker 3>MEMPHIS i kept paying. DUES i guess in the back

1762
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:14.079
<v Speaker 3>of my, MIND i wanted to have something to fall back.

1763
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.159
<v Speaker 3>ON i was only back In tampa for about a

1764
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.319
<v Speaker 3>week WHEN i was stopping into The Imperial, room this

1765
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:20.520
<v Speaker 3>bar where all the wrestlers used to wind up after

1766
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:22.199
<v Speaker 3>The tuesday night match and we go, again AND i

1767
01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:24.800
<v Speaker 3>ran into a wrestling Named Terry. Funk, oh now this

1768
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:27.520
<v Speaker 3>is at The Imperial. Room that's, right all, right here we.

1769
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Go stop the fucking press. Book, one he's on the,

1770
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.359
<v Speaker 3>docks on the. Docks terry walks up to, Him what the.

1771
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:33.800
<v Speaker 7>Hell are you?

1772
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Doing what are you doing on the, docks your dumb. Funk,

1773
01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:39.640
<v Speaker 3>two it's in The Imperial. Room Imperial, Room give me

1774
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:42.600
<v Speaker 3>a fucking, break. Guys he was really surprised to see.

1775
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Me he said he'd been trying to find. Me all

1776
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.840
<v Speaker 3>of a, Sudden jack And Jerry brisco came over and

1777
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:49.920
<v Speaker 3>they were doing the same. Thing what.

1778
01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:52.119
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

1779
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Happened where the hell are you?

1780
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:54.880
<v Speaker 7>Being?

1781
01:29:56.000 --> 01:30:00.000
<v Speaker 3>CARY i told HIM i don't. Quit i'm not doing

1782
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.079
<v Speaker 3>the shit. Anymore they didn't.

1783
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Want to hear.

1784
01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.159
<v Speaker 4>That we've been trying to get a hold of. You

1785
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:08.840
<v Speaker 4>where the hell are you living? Now So ruth isn't

1786
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:12.319
<v Speaker 4>passing the. Message god damn. IT i keep Telling. Ruth

1787
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:15.279
<v Speaker 4>you don't give him the damn, Message i'm gonna kick your.

1788
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Ass bence McMahon has been calling us From New york

1789
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:23.079
<v Speaker 4>trying to get tracked you. Down where's where's this? Hulk

1790
01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 4>he says on the, Phone, hey where's this?

1791
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:25.239
<v Speaker 7>Hell?

1792
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Uh he heard about what you're doing In memphis and

1793
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:31.760
<v Speaker 3>how all the arenas were sold. Out he wants to see.

1794
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:34.640
<v Speaker 3>YOU i was so down on the whole. THING i

1795
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:37.279
<v Speaker 3>really didn't. CARE i, said, Guys i'm not. Interested i'm

1796
01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:39.800
<v Speaker 3>going back to work on the. Dogs i'm just gonna

1797
01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:49.079
<v Speaker 3>stay here In. Tampa i'm Gonna. Tampa, oh The expressway In, yeah.

1798
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:52.279
<v Speaker 3>Exactly i'm just gonna buy a room in The expressway In,

1799
01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.359
<v Speaker 3>Dude i'm wanna buy property in The expressway In i'm

1800
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:55.720
<v Speaker 3>leaving the.

1801
01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Business i'm sick of this road, life, Brother but you know,

1802
01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:01.279
<v Speaker 2>What i'm still gonna live in a. Hotel Right and

1803
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>the next day that brisk goes pretty much hijacked, me

1804
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:07.319
<v Speaker 2>dragged me down to this. Sportatorium come, here your job set?

1805
01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:11.439
<v Speaker 3>Up, then hijacking is quite different than him knocking on

1806
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.479
<v Speaker 3>their door to play. Pool, yeah, right and we walked.

1807
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:16.600
<v Speaker 3>In Eddie graham was. There but NOW i guess we

1808
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:19.079
<v Speaker 3>all made peace in my, absence BUT i didn't quite get.

1809
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Anyway they get visit Man A senior on the. Phone

1810
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:24.600
<v Speaker 3>later on as so Physical Man junior would take over

1811
01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:27.600
<v Speaker 3>and help turn the organization to an international. Phenomenon but for,

1812
01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:30.399
<v Speaker 3>Now Vin senior was still the, man and The New

1813
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>york territory was. His you, know McMahon, said you, Know

1814
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>New york's a big man's territory. Here we've been watching,

1815
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.319
<v Speaker 3>you and you, know we're really interested in. You we

1816
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:42.119
<v Speaker 3>want you to come up, here and you, know why

1817
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:44.279
<v Speaker 3>don't you come up here and wrestle ON tv and

1818
01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.279
<v Speaker 3>we'll see if you're as good as everyone says you,

1819
01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:48.800
<v Speaker 3>were and if the Crowds levy as much as everybody

1820
01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>else says they. DO i told HIM i wasn't interested

1821
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.199
<v Speaker 3>in you, know when he asked, WHY i told him

1822
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:56.359
<v Speaker 3>about how much MONEY i was, making HOW i could

1823
01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:58.840
<v Speaker 3>have send driving nine hours just For russell three. Minutes

1824
01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:00.680
<v Speaker 3>and THEN i was pretty much sick of the whole.

1825
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:01.920
<v Speaker 3>THING i don't think you care about how much you

1826
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:04.640
<v Speaker 3>wrestle as long as you get, paid, right, yeah, yeah

1827
01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:05.439
<v Speaker 3>if you were a, matter if you.

1828
01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Were but you, know here's the, bullshit, like and we

1829
01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>heard it From we heard it From Michael Saint john in, Particular.

1830
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Terry terry was working With Jerry. Lawler, okay he was

1831
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>In Jerry lawler's. Orbit those guys got paid In. Memphis

1832
01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>if a lot of people didn't get paid In, memphis

1833
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>up and down the, card, Right but people that work

1834
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>With Jerry lawler got. Paid so if he, was if

1835
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.479
<v Speaker 2>he felt, like you, know The memphis money was like slave,

1836
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:30.279
<v Speaker 2>WAGES i don't, know, man it. DOESN'T i, MEAN i

1837
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>don't think he like it seems like, honestly it feels

1838
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>like he was making more money In memphis than he

1839
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>was doing on the. Docks it seems that, way doesn't.

1840
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>It it?

1841
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Does he just didn't like driving, around, Right that's what

1842
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.479
<v Speaker 2>it came down. To he didn't like the long road.

1843
01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:48.279
<v Speaker 3>Trip right. Exactly he's a fucking, listen he's a.

1844
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Towny he's someone that doesn't, want, Right he's someone that

1845
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to be tied down in his hometown with

1846
01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:58.039
<v Speaker 2>a hometown job and a hometown you, know, destiny, Right

1847
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>but he also doesn't want to do the things you

1848
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>have to do to not be.

1849
01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:02.039
<v Speaker 12>That.

1850
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Listen IF i bet if he could, have if he could,

1851
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.960
<v Speaker 3>have if he could have, wrestled, okay if he could

1852
01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.319
<v Speaker 3>have been a pro, wrestler make him the kind of

1853
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:13.439
<v Speaker 3>w money that he would eventually, make and only wrestle In,

1854
01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:14.359
<v Speaker 3>tampa he would have done.

1855
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:14.399
<v Speaker 1>It.

1856
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah that's why it's such a damn tragedy that

1857
01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.399
<v Speaker 2>they didn't see in. Him What louis to Let Ron,

1858
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Fuller Jerry JARRETT i saw in him was if he you,

1859
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>know if they pushed him appropriately in seventy, seven they'd

1860
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:30.199
<v Speaker 2>had all this to, themselves they would have gotten all

1861
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:33.159
<v Speaker 2>this money off this, guy and instead he's got to

1862
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:35.039
<v Speaker 2>play all these fucking games and end up in and

1863
01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:40.319
<v Speaker 2>ends up In New york, anyway, right, Right, hey you

1864
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:44.199
<v Speaker 2>could do so much. Better McMahon, said you never have

1865
01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to make you the money you need to, Make,

1866
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>terry this is where you, Belong Madison, Square god In New,

1867
01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>york the big. Time you belong, Here and just come

1868
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>up here and meet me face to face and see

1869
01:33:56.039 --> 01:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>what you. THINK i was a heck of a. Salesman follow.

1870
01:33:59.680 --> 01:33:59.760
<v Speaker 7>ME i.

1871
01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Can't it's sort of sort of, Okay i'll And i'll

1872
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:04.840
<v Speaker 3>talk to, you But i'm not bringing my wrestling. Boots

1873
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:07.479
<v Speaker 3>so he flew me up north And i'm at vincit

1874
01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:11.239
<v Speaker 3>at a stadium In, Allentown, pennsylvania where THE wwwe shot

1875
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:13.199
<v Speaker 3>THEIR tv matches every three. Weeks we call that a,

1876
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>stadium but all, right yeah, right he called it a

1877
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>fucking farmhouse farm exactly a fucking. HANGAR i, know yeah right.

1878
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:25.479
<v Speaker 1>He.

1879
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:27.279
<v Speaker 3>Was he kept staring at me over the over the

1880
01:34:27.319 --> 01:34:30.159
<v Speaker 3>top of his. Glasses WHEN i walked. IN i balled

1881
01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:32.359
<v Speaker 3>me up and, down and he couldn't believe how BIG i.

1882
01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:35.079
<v Speaker 3>WAS i just come up with this big steroid run

1883
01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:39.399
<v Speaker 3>And i've, been you, know wrestling non. Stop how is

1884
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:42.239
<v Speaker 3>he wrestling non stop and working the TIME i thought

1885
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>he had? Done the exact opposite is it regards to keeping.

1886
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Busy let's not forget this. TOO i, mean we've got

1887
01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:50.560
<v Speaker 3>enough hints coming up through the surface, Already Charlie, platt

1888
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 3>seeing the vials, everywhere the gym, life the shadiness AROUND,

1889
01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:59.800
<v Speaker 3>fbi sniffing around the, uh the anchor. Club and maybe

1890
01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the Reason terry was able to make such a richer, living,

1891
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:07.159
<v Speaker 3>okay quitting the business was because he knew how to move.

1892
01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Product all, right that is. TRUE i think we need

1893
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:11.960
<v Speaker 3>to keep that in. Mind this is kind of like

1894
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:14.720
<v Speaker 3>a subcurrent under all this. Stuff we gotta keep we,

1895
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:16.000
<v Speaker 3>goetta we always got to think about the.

1896
01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Pipeline and maybe that's why he was so fascinated by the,

1897
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>docks because where else are you going to move?

1898
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:24.800
<v Speaker 3>This, true that's a very good. Point that's. Right. Listen

1899
01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:26.640
<v Speaker 3>you can get fresh product coming in off the. Boats,

1900
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.880
<v Speaker 3>yep come, on you. KNOW i just think it's worth,

1901
01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:33.520
<v Speaker 3>mentioning especially if this is a big. Exercise and how

1902
01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.199
<v Speaker 3>much Is terry netting at the end of the day

1903
01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:41.319
<v Speaker 3>in wrestling Versus Steve doring and other? Ventures, okay other,

1904
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>ventures let's. See uh also my mid. Twenties I'm i'm

1905
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:52.279
<v Speaker 3>a biological. Peak no Other restler looked like, me AND

1906
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>i knew. That it's like everything else in. Life IF

1907
01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>i If i'm going to work, OUT i work. Out, okay.

1908
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.800
<v Speaker 3>GREAT i don't know what that. Means, YEAH i.

1909
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:03.239
<v Speaker 5>Don't know what that.

1910
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Means i'll either get give you. Credit IF i want

1911
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:06.800
<v Speaker 3>to work, OUT i.

1912
01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Don't SO i think it was the Comedian John lesois who,

1913
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:17.720
<v Speaker 2>SAID I i hate working out almost as much AS

1914
01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:18.840
<v Speaker 2>i love not going to the.

1915
01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Gym, yes, LISTEN I i, Yep i'm still.

1916
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:27.279
<v Speaker 1>You.

1917
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Listen i've.

1918
01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:28.560
<v Speaker 4>Been i've.

1919
01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Been i've been going to the gym so fucking faithfully

1920
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:37.920
<v Speaker 3>in the last six, months, okay like crazy. FAITHFULLY i

1921
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:42.279
<v Speaker 3>have yet to want to go to the. GYM i have.

1922
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:47.680
<v Speaker 3>NOT i get the text from my, friend And i'm

1923
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>hoping that he's going to, say, hey my kid's. SICK

1924
01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.239
<v Speaker 3>i can't go to the gym. Today what a wondrous.

1925
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Day that would be glory fucking every day every. DAY

1926
01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.159
<v Speaker 3>i want it to. HAPPEN i want an excuse is

1927
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:04.199
<v Speaker 3>to not go to the. Gym but at, least at

1928
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Least i'm in a place where it's like he text,

1929
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:07.800
<v Speaker 3>ME i get, IT i get just get a fucking.

1930
01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Go but like, MAN i. MIGHT i don't get. IT

1931
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:11.640
<v Speaker 3>i don't get people who want to go to the.

1932
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:13.039
<v Speaker 3>GYM i don't get people who like going to the.

1933
01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.520
<v Speaker 3>GYM i get no enjoyment out of. It the only,

1934
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:19.680
<v Speaker 3>enjoyment the only ENJOYMENT i get is walking out at

1935
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:23.319
<v Speaker 3>the end of. It i'm Happy i'm. Leaving that's definitely

1936
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:27.279
<v Speaker 3>not the Wavelength aultster was, on not at. All AND i,

1937
01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:31.760
<v Speaker 3>LISTEN I i, WISH i WISH i could enjoy. IT

1938
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.640
<v Speaker 3>i WISH i could enjoy, it BUT i want to

1939
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:37.119
<v Speaker 3>get out of there as fast as fucking possible kind of.

1940
01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Stuff it's it's and, listen And i'm. THERE i do an,

1941
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:43.159
<v Speaker 3>hour do an. HOUR i do an hour every fucking

1942
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:49.319
<v Speaker 3>day almost. Anyway And i'm not saying.

1943
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:49.359
<v Speaker 12>That.

1944
01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Listen i'm not saying that to.

1945
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:51.119
<v Speaker 2>BRAT i.

1946
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.399
<v Speaker 3>Listen i'm trying to be trying to be. Healthier But

1947
01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:56.760
<v Speaker 3>i'm saying it BECAUSE i fucking hate.

1948
01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>It, YEAH i hate. It and then you have this

1949
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:02.439
<v Speaker 2>guy who's, like, right doesn't know what to. Do it

1950
01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:05.039
<v Speaker 2>would literally kill himself if he, couldn't, yes, exactly if

1951
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't go to the fucking. Gym IF i want

1952
01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to work, Out i'll work. OUT i would either get

1953
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the biggest arms in the world or explode them. TRYING

1954
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:17.680
<v Speaker 2>i was eating everything inside. TOO i saw the perfect

1955
01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.319
<v Speaker 2>wrestler should have big arms and a big. BELLY i

1956
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>just thought that's the way you should. Look that's like

1957
01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>fucking like Uh. Putski, yeah like what he used to

1958
01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:32.479
<v Speaker 2>look like the, seventies fucking barrel of a. Man so

1959
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:36.399
<v Speaker 2>fucking funny that a bodybuild or six pack wasn't the

1960
01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>way to. Go it was too.

1961
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:41.199
<v Speaker 3>Unreliable it's so unrelatable to the. Crowd, now that's WHY i.

1962
01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>See so it wasn't just because you wanted to eat

1963
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:46.000
<v Speaker 3>everything inside and you were rationalizing you could because you're

1964
01:38:46.039 --> 01:38:48.560
<v Speaker 3>going to the gym right. Right it's because you didn't

1965
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:50.960
<v Speaker 3>think that's what the. Crowd you wanted to relate to the. Crowd,

1966
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:55.319
<v Speaker 3>fuck you wouldn't be above bullshit. EXACTLY i really didn't

1967
01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:57.399
<v Speaker 3>want to wrestle, anymore BUT i stuck around that night

1968
01:38:57.520 --> 01:38:59.840
<v Speaker 3>to watch the. MATCH i was wearing a tied eyed,

1969
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.680
<v Speaker 3>shirt kind of Like Superstar Billy graham always, wore And

1970
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.479
<v Speaker 3>graham was at his peaking popularity at that. Point i'll be,

1971
01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:07.600
<v Speaker 3>HONEST i really did try to emulate his look AS

1972
01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:09.479
<v Speaker 3>i was coming, up LIKE i, said the idea of

1973
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:11.760
<v Speaker 3>stealing a little bit from all the best wrestlers with

1974
01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:14.279
<v Speaker 3>my whole game plan right from the. Beginning in, fact

1975
01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:16.960
<v Speaker 3>at that, moment with my, hair with my hairline receiding and,

1976
01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.399
<v Speaker 3>EVERYTHING i looked just like the, guy or at least

1977
01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 3>a younger version of the. Guy so WHEN i stuck

1978
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:23.079
<v Speaker 3>my head out from behind that curtain to see what

1979
01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the crowd was, like all of a, sudden a whole

1980
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.680
<v Speaker 3>bunch of people THOUGHT i was him and Superstar Billy.

1981
01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Graham they started. Yelling Vince cedar saw that and, said,

1982
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:36.960
<v Speaker 3>hey don't have a, wet tight eye. AGAIN i think

1983
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:39.399
<v Speaker 3>that reaction made him realize what he could do with.

1984
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:40.119
<v Speaker 5>Me it.

1985
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:42.439
<v Speaker 3>Was it was like starting over with a brand new,

1986
01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Superstar Billy, graham having this young superstar that he could

1987
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:49.720
<v Speaker 3>build and mold in his. Organization oh, yeah that's, yeah

1988
01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:52.279
<v Speaker 3>that's why he Saw Billy graham and you because you

1989
01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:55.279
<v Speaker 3>had the tight eyed, shirt not because he sounded exactly

1990
01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:59.640
<v Speaker 3>like him on, promos right and fucking blonde hair and

1991
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.319
<v Speaker 3>yeah you, know yeah, Right TODD i. Shirt that's exactly

1992
01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:05.520
<v Speaker 3>what it. Was if that mind took me to. Dinner

1993
01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.560
<v Speaker 3>he made. Up he made up his. Mind, Look i'll

1994
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:10.960
<v Speaker 3>set you up an, apartment he, said in West, Haven,

1995
01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:12.319
<v Speaker 3>connecticut where all the wrestlers.

1996
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Lives h.

1997
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:18.239
<v Speaker 3>That's they fucking lived in West. Haven they, Did, yeah,

1998
01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:22.119
<v Speaker 3>really they really. Did that's where they fucking. LIVED i

1999
01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:24.199
<v Speaker 3>guess you don't want to pay for a fucking h you,

2000
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:27.039
<v Speaker 3>know real estate In New York. City but, yeah it's

2001
01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:30.239
<v Speaker 3>so fucking weird to, me West, haven of all fucking.

2002
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Places i'm also gonna put you with a guy Named

2003
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Tony Altamore altamar out To, mara out To. Maraw, yes

2004
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:38.720
<v Speaker 3>you know.

2005
01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:41.720
<v Speaker 2>It'll drive you everywhere and take care of everything so

2006
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to do that for yourself.

2007
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Anymore see that's.

2008
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Him, yeah that's he hates driving right, Exactly and all

2009
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:52.159
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden like he's in if there's a, driver you,

2010
01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>know why drive WHEN i could tan what you couldn't,

2011
01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Though but whatever we, do, WELL i.

2012
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Want to drive SOMEPLACE i can just sit in town

2013
01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:07.680
<v Speaker 3>is outside, brother than drive anywhere just south side my, son,

2014
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Brother Crispin bacon.

2015
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Just not holding not as a union, checker that's not,

2016
01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>no exactly. Exactly, no he wants to do it out of,

2017
01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:22.079
<v Speaker 2>luxury not out of. Necessity Al tomorrow Was Captain alabama's

2018
01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:24.359
<v Speaker 2>tag team, partner AND i made wrestle us The sicilians

2019
01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>back in the, day And i'll give you a guarantee

2020
01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.520
<v Speaker 2>that makes it eight hundred a week look like chump.

2021
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Chain.

2022
01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah the funny thing, IS i don't even remember what

2023
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:34.960
<v Speaker 3>the number.

2024
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:35.199
<v Speaker 6>Was.

2025
01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Bullshit you come up here And i'll make you a

2026
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:40.880
<v Speaker 3>star In New. York what struck me more than the

2027
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.399
<v Speaker 3>money was how Vinsick man seemed to really be bend

2028
01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:46.479
<v Speaker 3>over backwards trying to get me to come To New,

2029
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:48.960
<v Speaker 3>york the place that was the top of the wrestled food.

2030
01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Chain it sure was a whole world of difference From,

2031
01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Tampa alabama Or. Memphis was it the tip of the food, chain.

2032
01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Top of the food? Chain, YEAH i mean it was

2033
01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>what was just to be, Clear New? York, yeah in, Wrestling, yeah,

2034
01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:11.279
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i would say, so, yeah, okay, yeah short of Like,

2035
01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>japan which was just starting.

2036
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:15.439
<v Speaker 3>To well what about what About? Mini what About?

2037
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota M, yeah well, paid well paying, territory easy. SCHEDULE

2038
01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:23.039
<v Speaker 2>i think if you if you were to like netted

2039
01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:26.560
<v Speaker 2>out as like for hours worked so to, speak days,

2040
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Worked minneapolis paid as well As New, york But New

2041
01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.359
<v Speaker 2>york paid the. HIGHEST i, See, yeah it's pretty WELL

2042
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:34.199
<v Speaker 2>i think accepted that was the.

2043
01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:37.399
<v Speaker 3>Case so, yeah you have you.

2044
01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Have to pay a lot of money for These southern

2045
01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>boys to go deal with the. Snow IF i An

2046
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Austin idol said fuck, this it's just too much, snow

2047
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:45.439
<v Speaker 2>as Did Jack brisco and so many others over the.

2048
01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Years but uh, so there it is the linkage Between,

2049
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>memphis The, docs And New. York did he Mention georgia

2050
01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>there at? All Boss? No why so? Strange in, fact

2051
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:01.039
<v Speaker 2>in his first, book he he, says, quote there was

2052
01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>also a short period of time in nineteen seventy eight

2053
01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>WHEN i worked for a promoter Named Jim. Barnett nineteen seventy.

2054
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Eight you did not wrestle a single match in nineteen seventy.

2055
01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Eight.

2056
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah elsewhere in your own books you talk about how

2057
01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>you took nineteen seventy eight off to Hit Cocoa beach

2058
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:22.359
<v Speaker 2>With Ed. Leslie WHAT i, mean, why what's up With?

2059
01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Georgia it's clear as day that, he after this hiatus From,

2060
01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:29.640
<v Speaker 2>memphis went to work For georgia Before New. York as

2061
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:31.399
<v Speaker 2>he Writes Jim, barnett who worked out Of atlanta for

2062
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:33.720
<v Speaker 2>The National Wrestling, alliance the biggest wrestling organization in the

2063
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>world at the. Time Jim barnett was openly, gay flamboyantly.

2064
01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Gay he took one look at me with my tan

2065
01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and my muscles and my long blonde, hair, said oh my,

2066
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>God i'm gonna call You, sterling my, Boy Stirling. Golden,

2067
01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes so WHEN i wrestled For Jim, BARNETT i Was Sterling.

2068
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Golden so there you. Go that's the. Name it's not

2069
01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>From Ron. Fuller it didn't exist before. This WHEN i

2070
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>wrestled For lawler And, GARD i Was terry The Hope.

2071
01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Boulder but no matter what NAME i, used one thing

2072
01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.359
<v Speaker 2>stayed the. SAME i wasn't making very much. MONEY i

2073
01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>was wrestling seven days a, week which translated into ten

2074
01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:00.479
<v Speaker 2>or eleven matches too And, wednesday, two One, saturday and

2075
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:02.119
<v Speaker 2>two On. Sunday and the biggest CHECK i ever got

2076
01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>for a whole week was one hundred and twenty five.

2077
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>DOLLARS i DON'T i do not believe. That in, fact

2078
01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:09.039
<v Speaker 2>did we have we had a check where he got

2079
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>more than? That, yeah for the week ending whatever it.

2080
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Was what was that.

2081
01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Amount i'm gonna find. It i'm going a spiteful mood right.

2082
01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:18.279
<v Speaker 3>Now BUT i mean we also know he was Making

2083
01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:20.520
<v Speaker 3>someone talked about making eight hundred bucks In.

2084
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did In.

2085
01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Memphis he. Did.

2086
01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah in his own, book his second, book he talked about,

2087
01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that AND i think this is his first book That

2088
01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:28.560
<v Speaker 2>i'm reading from.

2089
01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:28.880
<v Speaker 6>Here it.

2090
01:44:29.000 --> 01:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>IS i, mean, god, man what the? Fuck, Uh i'm

2091
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:36.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna get the check right? Now you want to play? Games?

2092
01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:37.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

2093
01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:41.199
<v Speaker 3>RIGHT i mean we're talking about literal. Receipts, yes.

2094
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Exactly we're to see the Homie matt who wouldn't miss a? Trick,

2095
01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah may twenty Sixth, Okay charett well Ch enterprises checks

2096
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:51.560
<v Speaker 2>four hundred ninety seven Dollars may twenty six for the

2097
01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>week Ending may twenty.

2098
01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Fourth.

2099
01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Member we were wondering what w SLASH e. Was, yes that's.

2100
01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Weekending according to an Enterprising Solar system member who, Wrote,

2101
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>okay what about that, Check, terry does that not count

2102
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.199
<v Speaker 2>the biggest check you ever? Got it checks like almost

2103
01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:09.399
<v Speaker 2>three times as. Much that got tired in a, hurry,

2104
01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:11.319
<v Speaker 2>brother after every one of my little RUNS i got

2105
01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:13.039
<v Speaker 2>home In. Tampa i'll wait for one of my promoters

2106
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>to call. Me finally one TIME i went home and stayed.

2107
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Home as far AS i was, CONCERNED i was done

2108
01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:21.760
<v Speaker 2>with professional, wrestling and, Yes. Melzer meltzer helps it make some,

2109
01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>SENSE i. Think in his obituary For, terry he recalls

2110
01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:29.199
<v Speaker 2>In july of seventy nine an angle On MEMPHIS, tv

2111
01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>which we watched last time on The Complete Hull. Coogan

2112
01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>We're Ron bass And Pete austin were beating. Down Eddie

2113
01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:36.680
<v Speaker 2>boulder did a promo calling his big brother The hulkin

2114
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to help. Him they had a tag team. Feud terry

2115
01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>ended up kind of splintering off and Challenging Ron bass

2116
01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:44.319
<v Speaker 2>many times for The southern title full time in the

2117
01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Territory meltzer right through Early september When Terry funk hooked

2118
01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:50.439
<v Speaker 2>him up With. Barnett now see that makes a lot

2119
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:53.399
<v Speaker 2>more sense because you, Know terry was much more of

2120
01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:57.439
<v Speaker 2>an EMISSARY i think for The atlanta office And Jim

2121
01:45:57.439 --> 01:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>barnett kind of at the highest peak of THE, nwa

2122
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>like Cause barnett was booking out while he you, know

2123
01:46:03.000 --> 01:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>was Booking, georgia not the whole. Country he was booking

2124
01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>out THE Nwa world, Champion Jim barnett was the guy to.

2125
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>See he was the guy negotiating the dates for the

2126
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:14.560
<v Speaker 2>world champion and who got DIBs on him and collecting

2127
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:16.960
<v Speaker 2>at ten percent or whatever the booking fee. Was for

2128
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:20.119
<v Speaker 2>all intents and, Purposes Jim barnett was THE nwa powerbroker

2129
01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:23.680
<v Speaker 2>at that point in, time and the champion was very

2130
01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:26.439
<v Speaker 2>much concentrated In, georgia which is why When dusty Hit

2131
01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:29.079
<v Speaker 2>GEORGIA tv he won the. Belt Tommy rich had that

2132
01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:31.319
<v Speaker 2>title win all of a, sudden it was, like if

2133
01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you were on That georgia, television you were the biggest

2134
01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>star in THE. Nwa even if there were a, huge you,

2135
01:46:37.279 --> 01:46:39.279
<v Speaker 2>know swaths of this country that had never even heard of,

2136
01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:42.840
<v Speaker 2>you you were in contention and. Consideration so that makes

2137
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that makes a little more. Sense not That Terry funk

2138
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.600
<v Speaker 2>hooked him up With vince, McMahon which you Know Hull

2139
01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:50.119
<v Speaker 2>cogan said was the, case but that he actually hooked

2140
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:53.119
<v Speaker 2>him up With Jim barnett because he goes to work

2141
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:56.600
<v Speaker 2>For georgia. First meltzer, Writes funk Talked Jim barnett into

2142
01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:59.720
<v Speaker 2>bringing him Into. Georgia But Ole, Anderson barnett's, booker always

2143
01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:03.319
<v Speaker 2>said he wasn't impressed and claimed he fired him hogand

2144
01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that sounds about that makes. Sense we will certainly get,

2145
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:09.279
<v Speaker 2>there ladies and. Gentlemen just Because hogan doesn't PLACE gcw

2146
01:47:09.560 --> 01:47:12.479
<v Speaker 2>in his career trajectory doesn't mean we will fail to

2147
01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:16.439
<v Speaker 2>on that fucking complete. Okay hogan claimed the same and

2148
01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:18.439
<v Speaker 2>told a story about quitting wrestling and working in the

2149
01:47:18.520 --> 01:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>loading docks In tampa Until Terry funk got him INTO.

2150
01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Wwf meltzer, writes of, course none of that was, true

2151
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.119
<v Speaker 2>as would be the case of much of What hogan

2152
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>said over the, years including in his first autobiography that

2153
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.119
<v Speaker 2>was largely, fiction as were most of his. Interviews but

2154
01:47:31.239 --> 01:47:33.680
<v Speaker 2>he understood how to talk to people to like, him

2155
01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and as he spoke softly acting, sincere he understood how

2156
01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:41.199
<v Speaker 2>to Be Hulk hogan the character to the, media and

2157
01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:43.600
<v Speaker 2>how to be Sincere Hulk, hogan with his ability to

2158
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:46.800
<v Speaker 2>admit wrestling wasn't totally, real disarming them thinking that they

2159
01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:49.680
<v Speaker 2>were talking to an honest person since he was betraying

2160
01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the biggest covenant of the wrestling. Business thus they would

2161
01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:57.359
<v Speaker 2>believe his other. Fiction one voice we haven't heard from

2162
01:47:57.439 --> 01:47:59.560
<v Speaker 2>remembering this sort of hiatus from the business is Ed.

2163
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>LESLIE i mean he's tied at the hip To hulk

2164
01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Through memphis on. Through certainly he'd remember what happened we

2165
01:48:05.439 --> 01:48:08.520
<v Speaker 2>turned out to his, book we wrestled around a, bit

2166
01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:10.239
<v Speaker 2>but things were a little tough and the cash just

2167
01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:12.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't coming. In terry decided then again to quit wrestling

2168
01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:15.000
<v Speaker 2>FOR us for a, time bummed out that he wasn't

2169
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>making very much. Money not knowing what to, DO i

2170
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>suggested we go back to the. DOCK i suggested we

2171
01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:19.720
<v Speaker 2>go back to the.

2172
01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:20.119
<v Speaker 5>Docks.

2173
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:23.680
<v Speaker 2>OH i didn't even know that Ed leslie worked the,

2174
01:48:23.720 --> 01:48:25.600
<v Speaker 2>docks BUT i guess he was part of. It where

2175
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:28.359
<v Speaker 2>we quote could really make some good cash pouring concrete

2176
01:48:28.359 --> 01:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and loading big cargo. Ships the money was. Good we

2177
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:32.199
<v Speaker 2>went from making something like one hundred and twenty a

2178
01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:36.760
<v Speaker 2>week wrestling to seven hundred or eight hundred dollars after

2179
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:38.720
<v Speaker 2>our brief run. There in the NBA's The Boulder, brothers

2180
01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>they're Champion Terry. Funk, okay so here he. Comes Terry

2181
01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:44.560
<v Speaker 2>funk took a liking to me At. Boulder he likened

2182
01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>my naive rookie ways and my beautiful flowing hair to

2183
01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that of a ditzy, blonde so he called Me. Dizzy

2184
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.359
<v Speaker 2>so apparently that's Where Dizzy boulder comes. From the boys

2185
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:55.319
<v Speaker 2>in the back thought it was, funny SO i went with,

2186
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>it playing off the idea that we were truly. BROTHERS

2187
01:48:57.239 --> 01:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>i sometimes wrestled As Dizzy, Boulder Dizzy, hogan ending on

2188
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>what our last name was whatever town we were working.

2189
01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:04.159
<v Speaker 2>IN i can even be seen from time to time

2190
01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:06.880
<v Speaker 2>in results or videos. Online around nineteen seventy, nine perhaps

2191
01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:10.279
<v Speaker 2>wrestling under the Name Dizzy Golden terry wrestled As Sterling

2192
01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:17.079
<v Speaker 2>golden For Jim, barnett who was fascinated with his golden. Tan, right,

2193
01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:21.479
<v Speaker 2>okay when he wrestled, nothing when he wrestled with that

2194
01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:24.720
<v Speaker 2>name for The, fullers and he. Did, okay there's Ed

2195
01:49:24.800 --> 01:49:27.439
<v Speaker 2>leslie saying That Hulk hogan wrestled As Sterling golden for The.

2196
01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Fullers obviously it's, true so stop turning to.

2197
01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:34.239
<v Speaker 2>NIGHT i also took the surname as his brother in

2198
01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the territory In, pensacola AND i remember we established this

2199
01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:40.039
<v Speaker 2>earlier in the complete while it's talked about like Ed

2200
01:49:40.119 --> 01:49:45.680
<v Speaker 2>leslie went To, Pensacola Gulf Coast southeastern With hulk in

2201
01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:47.720
<v Speaker 2>early seventy nine and was tag teaming with him from

2202
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the very, beginning perhaps even as a dry run For.

2203
01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Memphis there's no results anywhere Of Ed leslie wrestling For

2204
01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Ron fuller when hulkat has run With andre And harley

2205
01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:00.439
<v Speaker 2>and all the. Rest no record of it at. All

2206
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>there is a record Of ed coming back After terry

2207
01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Left alabama in nineteen eighty and wrestling Is Ed boulder

2208
01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>all around the horn teaming With Ron. Fuller clearly they're

2209
01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Using Ed leslie to try to replace the void That

2210
01:50:13.319 --> 01:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Terry bolea left when he went to clean our. Pastures

2211
01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:20.520
<v Speaker 2>SO i don't even know where to start on all that,

2212
01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:25.640
<v Speaker 2>shit but clearly the degree to Which Ed boulder capitalized

2213
01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>On Terry boulders success In alabama happened subsequent to all,

2214
01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:32.399
<v Speaker 2>this not before. It In, Pensacola Leslie Wright Sterling golden

2215
01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Defeated Bob route for THE Nwa Southeastern heavyweight title in

2216
01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:37.439
<v Speaker 2>The Northern, division even though he dropped it a month

2217
01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:39.319
<v Speaker 2>later To Bob. Armstrong it was a great exposure for

2218
01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:41.520
<v Speaker 2>us as a. Team after this, run we had a

2219
01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:43.319
<v Speaker 2>little dry, spell so we took to some of the

2220
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>odd jobs THAT i used to do back In, Tampa

2221
01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:47.319
<v Speaker 2>okay after this. Run so you now that puts us

2222
01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.079
<v Speaker 2>at the end of seventy, nine and there was absolutely

2223
01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:52.279
<v Speaker 2>no break For hope to be working the docks at that.

2224
01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:54.399
<v Speaker 2>Point as we'll get, to he was fully on the

2225
01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:56.920
<v Speaker 2>road with THE wwf in nineteen. Eighty there is truly

2226
01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:01.560
<v Speaker 2>no looking. Back, yes, YES i mean what the people

2227
01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>who were collecting and collating results OF wwf shows were

2228
01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:06.760
<v Speaker 2>more stalking you And i'm just reading what they. Reported

2229
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>but guess we are now reaching the point where your,

2230
01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Career terry is well documented enough that there is nowhere to,

2231
01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.840
<v Speaker 2>hide AND i know that that alarms.

2232
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:21.880
<v Speaker 3>You make me who's? Hiding Brother? Sam what?

2233
01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Hide and?

2234
01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:23.680
<v Speaker 4>RANK i?

2235
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Mean so we took some of the odd JOBS i

2236
01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:29.600
<v Speaker 2>used to do back In. Tampa terry funk Ed leslie,

2237
01:51:29.600 --> 01:51:32.279
<v Speaker 2>writes heard that we were moonlighting and figured manual labor

2238
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:34.279
<v Speaker 2>was a. Waste that is when he introduced us to

2239
01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:36.640
<v Speaker 2>The New York territory Promoter Vincent jay McMahon. Sr who

2240
01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:39.319
<v Speaker 2>is the father of The vincement and you c today

2241
01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:41.960
<v Speaker 2>ON tv with THE. Wwe terry got his bags together

2242
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:44.279
<v Speaker 2>and took a flight To New. York so that's his

2243
01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:46.199
<v Speaker 2>version of the story At leslie's.

2244
01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Why you why you work in manual, labor who said

2245
01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:55.960
<v Speaker 3>that was a good. Idea, absolutely what get me the

2246
01:51:56.039 --> 01:51:59.560
<v Speaker 3>hell out of. Town i'm not manually.

2247
01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Working, funker annually, working or working Manual fernandez or any

2248
01:52:06.159 --> 01:52:10.560
<v Speaker 2>of the other many manuals that we could be. Working

2249
01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>but suffice to, say that's what we're going to be

2250
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:20.520
<v Speaker 2>able to discern from collating existing. Materials now your co

2251
01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:24.560
<v Speaker 2>chairs are prepared to move down To. Georgia, okay we're

2252
01:52:24.640 --> 01:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>prepared to go down to The Peach state and get

2253
01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>a sense of What Hull cogan was able to do

2254
01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:37.720
<v Speaker 2>down there As Sterling. Golden and again it's extremely clear

2255
01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>from the chronology of his career that this is what

2256
01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:44.239
<v Speaker 2>he did after Leaving, memphis taking a brief hiatus and

2257
01:52:44.399 --> 01:52:47.479
<v Speaker 2>coming back it was To Georgia Championship. Wrestling and fortunately for,

2258
01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>us on the COMPLETE. Hulll, cogan there is a decent

2259
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:53.439
<v Speaker 2>amount of footage that survives Of Terry bolea talking and

2260
01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:59.279
<v Speaker 2>wrestling ON wtbs in those studios and, beyond and so

2261
01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>there you have. It as we as we point our our,

2262
01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>mast there a couple of things we still got to talk.

2263
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:12.600
<v Speaker 2>About the Mule we still got to talk About Danny,

2264
01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:18.119
<v Speaker 2>brower because if we're going to Leave tampa, behind we

2265
01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.359
<v Speaker 2>got to remember That Danny brower was among the people

2266
01:53:20.399 --> 01:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>That terry would call upon on visits back to the,

2267
01:53:22.359 --> 01:53:25.520
<v Speaker 2>homestead and the real impact That Danny brower would have

2268
01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:27.479
<v Speaker 2>in the real role he would Playing hulkoke and. Story,

2269
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.560
<v Speaker 2>really it's not A summer of sixty nine. Thing it's

2270
01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:33.119
<v Speaker 2>not a summer of seventy nine thing as we've been

2271
01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:35.439
<v Speaker 2>talking about all these. Weeks it's more a summer of

2272
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:39.640
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine. Thing and we got plenty of time to

2273
01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.439
<v Speaker 2>get to, that but suffice to say for, Now Danny

2274
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>brower grew up In South. Tampa he goes back to

2275
01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:47.560
<v Speaker 2>sixty four With Eddie graham because his grandfather lived across

2276
01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the street from him in a trailer park Called Palm

2277
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Beach court On West Shore, boulevard and there was a

2278
01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:56.159
<v Speaker 2>big lagoon over, there and his grandparents remembered Watching Eddie

2279
01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:59.319
<v Speaker 2>graham out in the lagoon with his fishing. Nets his

2280
01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>grandparents moved Behind Paul. Avenue Paul avenue was the street

2281
01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:05.560
<v Speaker 2>That Terry bullya grew up. On boss M he Remembers.

2282
01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Terry they play softball the trailers had three, rows and

2283
01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:11.239
<v Speaker 2>they'd get together at the trailer park and play softball.

2284
01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Together he Remembers Mike graham as the son of Neighbor Eddie,

2285
01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:19.760
<v Speaker 2>graham as a nitty bitty kid three years older Than Danny.

2286
01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Brower Was Mike. Graham he remembers one time he And

2287
01:54:22.359 --> 01:54:25.760
<v Speaker 2>terry were hanging, out or he was hanging, OUT i.

2288
01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Guess Danny brower was hanging out at a store that

2289
01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:31.560
<v Speaker 2>used to sell cookies and crackers and big glass, jars

2290
01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:33.439
<v Speaker 2>and there was a little tussle With Mike graham And

2291
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:35.880
<v Speaker 2>mike Grabbed Danny. Brower he went to, walk he wouldn't

2292
01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.399
<v Speaker 2>move out of the, way so they bumped into each.

2293
01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Other So Mike, graham according To Danny, bauer grabbed him

2294
01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and they crashed into this glass. Thing you, Know i'm

2295
01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Picturing gower's drug store right, now you, KNOW i, yes

2296
01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:48.319
<v Speaker 2>as you. Should cookies. EVERYWHERE a guy threw them. Out

2297
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:52.399
<v Speaker 2>he was scared to death Of Mike, graham and one

2298
01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.800
<v Speaker 2>around the back hid in the palm, trees just stayed

2299
01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>there so we could see. Him he wasn't scared Of Mike,

2300
01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:01.039
<v Speaker 2>GRAHAM i. Know so we're starting to starting to get

2301
01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:03.199
<v Speaker 2>the sense this is all As Danny brower told to

2302
01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>our Friend Brad, bluccian starting to get a sense that

2303
01:55:07.199 --> 01:55:09.760
<v Speaker 2>he's living a very parallel life growing up In. Tampa

2304
01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:13.199
<v Speaker 2>one may ask where Does Terry boleya's story end And

2305
01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Danny brower's. Begin later in high, school they run Into Mike,

2306
01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Graham terry And danny And Danny Tellell's brad That mike

2307
01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and his buddies used to go by The Junior. Mafia

2308
01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:28.159
<v Speaker 2>that was the name of their. Clique Oh, junior my.

2309
01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:32.479
<v Speaker 2>God presumably they were juniors At Robinson High school and

2310
01:55:33.079 --> 01:55:36.039
<v Speaker 2>there was A jb football game one. Time and, here

2311
01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:38.920
<v Speaker 2>as everyone gathers around at this football, game we get

2312
01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:41.720
<v Speaker 2>a sense of the simmering tensions that might explain The

2313
01:55:41.800 --> 01:55:45.840
<v Speaker 2>tampa discord for so many years later Between Terry bolea

2314
01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And Mike. Graham he remembers that they were at THIS

2315
01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:53.760
<v Speaker 2>jv football game and they didn't back. Down they didn't

2316
01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:57.760
<v Speaker 2>back down at. All Here Danny, brower in conversation With Brad,

2317
01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:02.479
<v Speaker 2>blucian talks about this encounter With Mike graham THAT i

2318
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:06.359
<v Speaker 2>think adds a whole lot more color and detail to

2319
01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:09.479
<v Speaker 2>why this guy was such a bugaboo To Terry boleya

2320
01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:09.800
<v Speaker 2>his whole.

2321
01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:15.319
<v Speaker 7>Life but uh so we're just we're like standing there

2322
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:18.039
<v Speaker 7>and it's near the. Concession there's people all. Over we're

2323
01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:21.720
<v Speaker 7>on the track and here the, here the There's mike

2324
01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:25.239
<v Speaker 7>AND i can't remember, EXACTLY i Know i'm in my

2325
01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:27.399
<v Speaker 7>savior might have been one of those GUY i think

2326
01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:30.119
<v Speaker 7>his name Was steve, McCall a couple of other guys

2327
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:35.319
<v Speaker 7>and they come walking and it's the, music And terry's

2328
01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:38.760
<v Speaker 7>tall and he's, big but in my shrut and he

2329
01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:41.800
<v Speaker 7>just walks right And terry doesn't. Move he just walks

2330
01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:44.720
<v Speaker 7>into him and he like spins around there the GUY

2331
01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.760
<v Speaker 7>i moved but it Wasn't, mike AND i don't remember

2332
01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:51.119
<v Speaker 7>what it, was But i'm just, like where's this? Going

2333
01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:54.840
<v Speaker 7>And mike and then they turn around but he doesn't say,

2334
01:56:54.880 --> 01:56:59.560
<v Speaker 7>anything and we just send her and we didn't, right

2335
01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:04.119
<v Speaker 7>and then they went on and really we were kind of,

2336
01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:09.359
<v Speaker 7>like fuck Was? Mike but, yeah it was like a.

2337
01:57:09.479 --> 01:57:12.039
<v Speaker 7>TEST i so like a little, thing but it was

2338
01:57:12.159 --> 01:57:15.000
<v Speaker 7>kind of a in that click deal and.

2339
01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So there it is the confrontation where they bang into each.

2340
01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Other hulk's not giving ground To mike grab And mike

2341
01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:28.039
<v Speaker 2>did apparently doesn't take very kindly to. That he Remembers

2342
01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:31.439
<v Speaker 2>mike was senior When danny was in ninth. Grade you

2343
01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Remember Steve kern And Dick slater also all went To.

2344
01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Robinson he, says you, know they all just kind of

2345
01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:37.960
<v Speaker 2>look down on a lot of these, guys these younger

2346
01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:41.920
<v Speaker 2>guys like. Himself but you, Know Danny brower's parents Knew

2347
01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:45.199
<v Speaker 2>ruth And pete from The Bowling. Alley they would go

2348
01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:47.399
<v Speaker 2>To panorama together and get to know each other that.

2349
01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Way this is the same bowling alley That hulk's friend

2350
01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and friend of the, Show Vic pettitt right there we,

2351
01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.479
<v Speaker 2>go and they would they would meet at the Bowling

2352
01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:57.520
<v Speaker 2>alley and it was, there it was there as a,

2353
01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:01.279
<v Speaker 2>child over near the pinball mash machines That Danny brower

2354
01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:02.439
<v Speaker 2>Met Terry Bully.

2355
01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:04.560
<v Speaker 7>And that's kind of me And terry got to know

2356
01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:08.720
<v Speaker 7>each other playing the pinball machines one. Day AND i

2357
01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:12.479
<v Speaker 7>wold you that was eighth. Grade he's in ninth. Grade

2358
01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:15.760
<v Speaker 7>this will be nineteen sixty. EIGHT i remember we one

2359
01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:19.000
<v Speaker 7>got To hendrick's album AND i THOUGHT i was a

2360
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:22.439
<v Speaker 7>pretty hot shot guitar, player and so we're sitting, there we're.

2361
01:58:22.479 --> 01:58:24.600
<v Speaker 7>Talking we're at the pinball, machines and we're talking about

2362
01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:27.800
<v Speaker 7>guitars and all, that and he and at the time

2363
01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:30.760
<v Speaker 7>he had a ship box guitar AND i had a

2364
01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:34.079
<v Speaker 7>ship box, guitar AND i had A penny's. Amp and

2365
01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:36.640
<v Speaker 7>he said he had a Band, master And i'm, like

2366
01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:39.359
<v Speaker 7>you got A fender Band. Master so next THING i,

2367
01:58:39.439 --> 01:58:41.880
<v Speaker 7>know we're over at his. House. Now what was the

2368
01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:44.319
<v Speaker 7>finball machine at the bowling? Alley, YEAH i was a ship.

2369
01:58:44.399 --> 01:58:46.199
<v Speaker 7>AHOY i had to play it all day on a.

2370
01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:48.359
<v Speaker 7>Quarter you just win games all day long.

2371
01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:49.000
<v Speaker 5>And stay right.

2372
01:58:49.039 --> 01:58:51.560
<v Speaker 7>There nobody could get the. MACHINE i don't, know four

2373
01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:53.279
<v Speaker 7>or five. MACHINES i had a shooting gallery. Too you

2374
01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:55.479
<v Speaker 7>can do the same thing shooting the. Ducks you get

2375
01:58:56.239 --> 01:58:58.319
<v Speaker 7>nineteen out of twenty all. Day so what that age

2376
01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:01.479
<v Speaker 7>Was terry already? Big, yeah he hadn't worked out and

2377
01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:03.600
<v Speaker 7>he got on a football team and. Quit he heard.

2378
01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:05.399
<v Speaker 7>Us he Didn't dad didn't want him to. Play he

2379
01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:07.840
<v Speaker 7>was a great baseball. Player he just hit the ball.

2380
01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:08.439
<v Speaker 5>There he was all.

2381
01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:12.479
<v Speaker 7>Everything everything coming up because this was after we. Met

2382
01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:17.520
<v Speaker 7>his dad got me on their baseball. TEAM i didn't like.

2383
01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:20.319
<v Speaker 7>Baseball BECAUSE i got cracked in the face with a

2384
01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:23.960
<v Speaker 7>ball in the street playing that shiftball stuff WHEN i was,

2385
01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:27.079
<v Speaker 7>Little SO i couldn't field. BALLS i was scared to.

2386
01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:31.720
<v Speaker 7>DEATH i could. HIT i didn't like. Playing but so

2387
01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:33.760
<v Speaker 7>he went back to that day when you Met terry

2388
01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:35.520
<v Speaker 7>and he went back to his. House so wentto his

2389
01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:39.479
<v Speaker 7>house and he and he actually heard another. Guitar so

2390
01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:43.880
<v Speaker 7>we're playing guitars. Again that's how we made everything in the.

2391
01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:47.560
<v Speaker 7>World he's got a tender bandmaster and he's going to

2392
01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:51.039
<v Speaker 7>take lessons In Arthur. Smiths So i'm, Thinking i'm a

2393
01:59:51.079 --> 01:59:53.560
<v Speaker 7>pretty hot shot guitar. Player and we got over there

2394
01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:57.359
<v Speaker 7>And terry starts doing all these riffs and he could read.

2395
01:59:57.319 --> 01:59:57.960
<v Speaker 6>Music and all that.

2396
01:59:58.079 --> 02:00:01.600
<v Speaker 7>TOO i. COULDN'T i just was. HERE i never took

2397
02:00:01.640 --> 02:00:03.239
<v Speaker 7>the time to do. It it was all his ear.

2398
02:00:03.279 --> 02:00:07.960
<v Speaker 7>Stuff and so what we did was and then our you,

2399
02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:16.039
<v Speaker 7>know being we were hanging. Out we would, UH i

2400
02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:19.840
<v Speaker 7>would take the bus home with him At Monroe Junior

2401
02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:22.119
<v Speaker 7>High school and then my dad would pick me up

2402
02:00:22.119 --> 02:00:25.079
<v Speaker 7>around seven or six or. So actually he picked me

2403
02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:27.279
<v Speaker 7>up at Our smiths BECAUSE i go there and we

2404
02:00:27.319 --> 02:00:30.920
<v Speaker 7>would go. There we put our hours. Together it was

2405
02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:33.279
<v Speaker 7>like Two bucks, right and there was a guy Named

2406
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:37.119
<v Speaker 7>Mike reisac who was in the opposite sexist band or

2407
02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:39.840
<v Speaker 7>Two guys and Two girls was the real famous by local.

2408
02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:42.640
<v Speaker 7>Band bands were a big thing back, then but before

2409
02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:46.279
<v Speaker 7>all the DJs and everything and live, music you, know

2410
02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:50.039
<v Speaker 7>that was. Happening so we started Taking what we would

2411
02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:52.920
<v Speaker 7>do is we would we would go in and give

2412
02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:54.840
<v Speaker 7>him a list of stuff we wanted to. Learn and

2413
02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:56.680
<v Speaker 7>that's When Grand funk and all of him were coming

2414
02:00:56.760 --> 02:00:58.079
<v Speaker 7>out And Blues image and.

2415
02:00:59.279 --> 02:01:01.640
<v Speaker 12>Oh just a, lot and he could pick up. Anything

2416
02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:42.319
<v Speaker 12>fan wrestling, podcast he's The lapsed Fan wrestling podcast With JACK.

2417
02:01:42.439 --> 02:01:43.800
<v Speaker 5>N s and J.

2418
02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Pisarro so he's Watching terry developing a quite a guitar

2419
02:01:47.680 --> 02:01:50.479
<v Speaker 2>player after you, know getting well known in little league

2420
02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:53.359
<v Speaker 2>for hitting them over the goddamn lights and looking like

2421
02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the coaches and the pictures interesting. There he says That

2422
02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:57.680
<v Speaker 2>terry was on the football, team but it was his

2423
02:01:57.800 --> 02:02:00.239
<v Speaker 2>father who didn't want him to. Play where his old we,

2424
02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:03.479
<v Speaker 2>watched remember we watched the stories of growing up where,

2425
02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:05.720
<v Speaker 2>yes he never wanted to be on the team and

2426
02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:08.359
<v Speaker 2>he and they were he was a heel for not

2427
02:02:08.479 --> 02:02:10.319
<v Speaker 2>wanting to be on the team when in, fact he.

2428
02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't he was in fact on the team in junior.

2429
02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:18.479
<v Speaker 2>High according To Danny, brower so lies, lies you have, Truths,

2430
02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:22.079
<v Speaker 2>yeah things being left. Out but, yeah so big baseball

2431
02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:23.800
<v Speaker 2>guy Was. Pete you. Know they would go to The

2432
02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati reds farm club together in spring training to get.

2433
02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Autographs he remembers all this stuff about growing up With,

2434
02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:34.560
<v Speaker 2>terry and at a certain point in time he knows

2435
02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:36.880
<v Speaker 2>that he had fucked up me from, football And danny

2436
02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of conflates that with the hero metsuit a story a.

2437
02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Bit it's Like terry was already on a bad wheel like,

2438
02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:44.640
<v Speaker 2>that and he never never heard that matsuit actually broke his.

2439
02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Leg it's kind of funny to hear that get broached

2440
02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:49.720
<v Speaker 2>and he's, like never wasn't. Broken he said they would

2441
02:02:49.720 --> 02:02:52.119
<v Speaker 2>tie you up in, knots but his knee had already

2442
02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:55.439
<v Speaker 2>been fucked up from football and he never had an

2443
02:02:55.479 --> 02:02:57.199
<v Speaker 2>operation to fix. It that's.

2444
02:02:57.279 --> 02:03:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Right so that's, that And, jesus all these fucking they'll fall,

2445
02:03:02.479 --> 02:03:06.000
<v Speaker 3>apart you know on one. Reference it's like you when

2446
02:03:06.039 --> 02:03:08.600
<v Speaker 3>you get when you get real people talking about this. Shit, Yeah,

2447
02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:10.239
<v Speaker 3>hey this guy's a worker. TOO i, mean he was a,

2448
02:03:10.279 --> 02:03:13.039
<v Speaker 3>wrestler but he. DOESN'T i don't think he's aware of

2449
02:03:13.119 --> 02:03:15.359
<v Speaker 3>the lore around some of this stuff that he's kind of,

2450
02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:19.880
<v Speaker 3>contradicting which is to our advantage of. Course but, Yeah

2451
02:03:19.960 --> 02:03:22.560
<v Speaker 3>so as things developed and they got involved more in

2452
02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:25.600
<v Speaker 3>the band, playing he remembers some, uh at one point

2453
02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:27.760
<v Speaker 3>his grandparents had moved and built a cabana field in the,

2454
02:03:27.800 --> 02:03:29.720
<v Speaker 3>back and that's where they started practicing their music when

2455
02:03:29.720 --> 02:03:31.239
<v Speaker 3>they were fifteen or, whatever and there was a guy

2456
02:03:31.279 --> 02:03:33.640
<v Speaker 3>in the neighborhood he remembers named Chet yoakam who had

2457
02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:35.680
<v Speaker 3>a set of drums and joined, them and some lady

2458
02:03:35.720 --> 02:03:37.680
<v Speaker 3>in the neighborhood heard them playing music when they were

2459
02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:40.840
<v Speaker 3>fifteen and thought that they were really good and wanted to,

2460
02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:43.720
<v Speaker 3>actually you, know represent them and get them and manage

2461
02:03:43.760 --> 02:03:45.920
<v Speaker 3>them and getting them involved in playing. Music so he

2462
02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:47.720
<v Speaker 3>was there from the very, beginning but he never is.

2463
02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:51.279
<v Speaker 3>Mentioned Daddy. Brower he goes back to The Plastic Pleasure,

2464
02:03:51.399 --> 02:03:53.960
<v Speaker 3>palace the name of the very first high school band

2465
02:03:54.039 --> 02:03:57.680
<v Speaker 3>That Terry blea participated. In that's how far back he.

2466
02:03:57.760 --> 02:03:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Went they didn't have a singer that they would, play

2467
02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:03.520
<v Speaker 3>and eventually that kind of bled Into infinity's end because

2468
02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:07.239
<v Speaker 3>they were playing two and he. Was that's when when

2469
02:04:07.239 --> 02:04:09.840
<v Speaker 3>they started playing the frat parties AT usf and, stuff

2470
02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:11.920
<v Speaker 3>And terry was the lead, player and it was kind

2471
02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:13.960
<v Speaker 3>of chaos for them at that. Age But Danny brower,

2472
02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:16.119
<v Speaker 3>says you, Know terry carried the, band to be honest with,

2473
02:04:16.239 --> 02:04:18.600
<v Speaker 3>you and they were very good for kids and booked.

2474
02:04:18.680 --> 02:04:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Solid and you went through all the stuff about how

2475
02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:22.720
<v Speaker 3>they'd get fined if they didn't wear socks or if

2476
02:04:22.720 --> 02:04:25.319
<v Speaker 3>their hair wasn't, cut And terry would get fined all

2477
02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:28.239
<v Speaker 3>the time because he wouldn't cut his. Hair that's all stood,

2478
02:04:28.279 --> 02:04:30.920
<v Speaker 3>up so to, speak By Danny brower's, recollections and the

2479
02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:32.760
<v Speaker 3>summer of sixty nine was a hell of a. Summer

2480
02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:36.880
<v Speaker 3>terry turned. Sixteen he was a year Behind Danny brower,

2481
02:04:37.119 --> 02:04:39.840
<v Speaker 3>was and he Remembers terry in his teenage years just

2482
02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:42.960
<v Speaker 3>wanting to do everything he wanted to go with the

2483
02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:45.359
<v Speaker 3>extra mile with what he, did hitting them over the.

2484
02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:48.079
<v Speaker 3>Lights danny thought he was a hot shot guitar. Player

2485
02:04:48.119 --> 02:04:50.000
<v Speaker 3>and then he goes over his house And Jesus, christ

2486
02:04:50.079 --> 02:04:52.479
<v Speaker 3>this guy has got all the greatest equipment in the

2487
02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:54.840
<v Speaker 3>world and he's going harder than to get every hope

2488
02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:57.279
<v Speaker 3>to go as a. Guitarist he wanted to shave his,

2489
02:04:57.359 --> 02:04:59.720
<v Speaker 3>head he, remembers or something like. That he wanted to

2490
02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Clim he Remembers terry saying he wanted to Climb Mount

2491
02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:05.159
<v Speaker 3>everest at that. Age wow Remembers terry saying he wanted

2492
02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:07.479
<v Speaker 3>to try out for The university Of tampa football. Team

2493
02:05:07.520 --> 02:05:10.520
<v Speaker 3>at that, age he had good looking, girlfriends one girl Named.

2494
02:05:10.560 --> 02:05:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Debbie when he had the, ford he'd pick him up after.

2495
02:05:12.720 --> 02:05:16.359
<v Speaker 3>School debbie lived near. Him another another one Named, brenda

2496
02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:18.239
<v Speaker 3>who was really good. Looking they were together a long.

2497
02:05:18.319 --> 02:05:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Time and When terry got his, car his birthday's coming,

2498
02:05:21.279 --> 02:05:23.560
<v Speaker 3>up and it's, summer and he's a, sophomore And Danny

2499
02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:25.920
<v Speaker 3>brower's a, freshman And terry's going to get his license

2500
02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:29.199
<v Speaker 3>during that summer In, august and brow remembers That terry's

2501
02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:31.720
<v Speaker 3>parents bought him a nineteen sixty Five fara lane two.

2502
02:05:31.800 --> 02:05:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Seater and this is like the month before he turned.

2503
02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Sixteen and it's here THAT i Think Danny brower gives

2504
02:05:38.680 --> 02:05:39.079
<v Speaker 3>us a real.

2505
02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Gift how about some. Foreshadowing how about the son repeats

2506
02:05:44.079 --> 02:05:47.079
<v Speaker 2>the sins of the. Father, oh how About terry gets

2507
02:05:47.119 --> 02:05:50.079
<v Speaker 2>behind the wheel at a young age and crashes the

2508
02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:50.960
<v Speaker 2>car into a palm.

2509
02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:55.239
<v Speaker 7>Drum and, well, anyway so we got in abandon all,

2510
02:05:55.319 --> 02:06:01.920
<v Speaker 7>that and we're having his summer And terry's, birthday and

2511
02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:09.039
<v Speaker 7>for some, reason we take the car out and we

2512
02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:12.600
<v Speaker 7>see a guy Named Don. Satterwhite there were twins and

2513
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.960
<v Speaker 7>they lived in the neighborhood Down Ballast. Point and we

2514
02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:19.079
<v Speaker 7>see down and pick him. Up we're gonna take him. Home,

2515
02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:23.119
<v Speaker 7>now this car had while he got the, car he

2516
02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:25.760
<v Speaker 7>had put a shifter in. It he had a three

2517
02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:29.119
<v Speaker 7>speed on the floor to like a. Gimmut he had

2518
02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:32.840
<v Speaker 7>like a barefoot gas, fellow and got a sharing. Wheel

2519
02:06:32.880 --> 02:06:35.119
<v Speaker 7>but he got these chrome reverse wheels on the back

2520
02:06:35.199 --> 02:06:39.199
<v Speaker 7>with firestone white. Holes on the. Front he had regular

2521
02:06:39.279 --> 02:06:42.520
<v Speaker 7>wheels with white, holes but he had little moons on. Them,

2522
02:06:43.000 --> 02:06:46.000
<v Speaker 7>look you, know for the for what you could buy back.

2523
02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:48.399
<v Speaker 7>Then but he was already jazzing it. Up and we

2524
02:06:48.520 --> 02:06:51.359
<v Speaker 7>had we were making money on the. Weekends you, know

2525
02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:55.520
<v Speaker 7>the guys were bagging groceries for seventy five, cents and you,

2526
02:06:55.600 --> 02:06:58.199
<v Speaker 7>know on a WEEKEND i could make sixty. Bucks who

2527
02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:04.600
<v Speaker 7>were going and playing to. Night, anyway so we Hit

2528
02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:06.920
<v Speaker 7>donnau and we're going to take him home and we're

2529
02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:10.880
<v Speaker 7>going up he lived Near Ballast Point Elementary. School and

2530
02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:14.000
<v Speaker 7>we're going up McDill and there's a road that goes

2531
02:07:14.119 --> 02:07:18.560
<v Speaker 7>off in a shell and it goes it's it's it's

2532
02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.079
<v Speaker 7>going to end up on Ballast, point but it goes

2533
02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:24.840
<v Speaker 7>aways and then it curves And terry gets on it

2534
02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:27.159
<v Speaker 7>and he's over his. Head just happened in the boat one.

2535
02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:29.920
<v Speaker 7>Time this is later. ON i knew he's over his,

2536
02:07:30.000 --> 02:07:35.680
<v Speaker 7>head BUT i probably shouldn't tell you. That, Anyway we

2537
02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:37.439
<v Speaker 7>get into that corner AND i know, it and all

2538
02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:39.359
<v Speaker 7>of a, SUDDEN i see the mailbox coming in my

2539
02:07:39.479 --> 02:07:42.880
<v Speaker 7>head and it hit the back corner of the.

2540
02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:43.479
<v Speaker 5>Car we're.

2541
02:07:43.560 --> 02:07:47.640
<v Speaker 7>Sliding don's in the back seat and it slid and

2542
02:07:47.800 --> 02:07:51.079
<v Speaker 7>it hit a tree and came back across the road

2543
02:07:51.439 --> 02:07:53.840
<v Speaker 7>and hit another palm tree on the end in the

2544
02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:57.079
<v Speaker 7>front wheel dug in and it broke and we ALL

2545
02:07:57.680 --> 02:08:00.560
<v Speaker 7>i Think don was shaking. UP i was on kind

2546
02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:03.239
<v Speaker 7>of on the, floor And terry's like almost on top of.

2547
02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:07.520
<v Speaker 7>Me and it happened. Fast you, know we're very. Lucky

2548
02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:11.439
<v Speaker 7>he is a. Crank is your car cranks it? Smoking

2549
02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:12.520
<v Speaker 7>and he cranks?

2550
02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:17.199
<v Speaker 5>Back then, no he cranks the car he's trying the drivers.

2551
02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:21.840
<v Speaker 7>And we got so we're trying to come up with

2552
02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:24.399
<v Speaker 7>a story that caught the of, course some neighbors and

2553
02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:27.000
<v Speaker 7>all outside and all the stuff down, there and we

2554
02:08:27.159 --> 02:08:30.720
<v Speaker 7>And don scared down ran. Home he just shook, like,

2555
02:08:30.920 --> 02:08:37.600
<v Speaker 7>oh you got up with a story about there's a

2556
02:08:37.720 --> 02:08:41.439
<v Speaker 7>dog or some stuff and run around with the wheels

2557
02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:45.000
<v Speaker 7>and they're, like there's no dog. Around so did the

2558
02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:47.079
<v Speaker 7>wheel actually come off the? Car it didn't come, off

2559
02:08:47.119 --> 02:08:51.000
<v Speaker 7>but the a frame. Broke its slammed like when it

2560
02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:54.439
<v Speaker 7>hit the when it hit and then slid and when

2561
02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:57.359
<v Speaker 7>it's slamming here and there was a telephone hole and

2562
02:08:57.520 --> 02:09:00.399
<v Speaker 7>a palm tree and we hit the palm tree about

2563
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:03.520
<v Speaker 7>where the wheels are and it dug in the. Ground

2564
02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:06.720
<v Speaker 7>so and when it, did the wheel was like. This

2565
02:09:07.439 --> 02:09:11.079
<v Speaker 7>it had to be told all. That so so whatever

2566
02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:14.000
<v Speaker 7>that parents, say, oh it was all a big freak,

2567
02:09:14.039 --> 02:09:16.800
<v Speaker 7>out but they work it. Out AND i know it

2568
02:09:16.880 --> 02:09:18.239
<v Speaker 7>was a big deal about. It and we were and

2569
02:09:18.600 --> 02:09:21.159
<v Speaker 7>we were playing somewhere that. Night we were late as,

2570
02:09:21.239 --> 02:09:22.920
<v Speaker 7>hell and, no but where in the hell are?

2571
02:09:23.039 --> 02:09:25.520
<v Speaker 3>They boom?

2572
02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Boom can you believe? It he crashes into a palm.

2573
02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Tree it's, like, yes exactly what happened To. NICK i,

2574
02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:37.000
<v Speaker 2>mean he's not drag, racing BUT i. Can, Yes i'm

2575
02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:39.840
<v Speaker 2>not surprised one. Bit he's rolling up To nick's accident

2576
02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:44.600
<v Speaker 2>in sight having. Flashbacks you, know it's. Crazy this guy

2577
02:09:44.680 --> 02:09:46.960
<v Speaker 2>knows too, Much no wonder he was never talked about

2578
02:09:47.199 --> 02:09:49.520
<v Speaker 2>another early episode that he was into With Danny brower

2579
02:09:49.560 --> 02:09:52.039
<v Speaker 2>that might inform quite a bit of another future controversy

2580
02:09:52.119 --> 02:09:56.199
<v Speaker 2>around a certain racial, epithet maybe or at least interracial.

2581
02:09:56.279 --> 02:09:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Relations it was one that he conveyed TO.

2582
02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:02.520
<v Speaker 7>I stopping to See ruth AND i don't see his

2583
02:10:02.680 --> 02:10:04.720
<v Speaker 7>car back then he didn't Have.

2584
02:10:05.119 --> 02:10:08.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's just a different. One we'll hit that in a.

2585
02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Second so here they. Are they're they're running together again

2586
02:10:14.279 --> 02:10:16.039
<v Speaker 2>at one of these football games where all the trouble

2587
02:10:16.079 --> 02:10:19.279
<v Speaker 2>seems to, happen and they're running to a, crew and

2588
02:10:20.680 --> 02:10:22.359
<v Speaker 2>we get maybe a little bit of a glimpse into

2589
02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:26.560
<v Speaker 2>where some Of terry's racial animis stems.

2590
02:10:26.600 --> 02:10:30.560
<v Speaker 7>From we got jumped At Tampas stayum once and you,

2591
02:10:30.640 --> 02:10:32.760
<v Speaker 7>KNOW i lost the tooth AND i watched him get

2592
02:10:32.840 --> 02:10:35.800
<v Speaker 7>his ass. Beat that's when his father was picking us,

2593
02:10:35.880 --> 02:10:39.359
<v Speaker 7>up and we're in front of after it was, over

2594
02:10:40.479 --> 02:10:42.479
<v Speaker 7>there was a high school jamboree all the high, schools

2595
02:10:42.960 --> 02:10:47.680
<v Speaker 7>so that had to be sixty nine because they dropped

2596
02:10:47.720 --> 02:10:49.680
<v Speaker 7>us off and his dad was going to pick us

2597
02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:53.239
<v Speaker 7>up like eleven o'clock at Al Locust field on whatever

2598
02:10:53.279 --> 02:10:56.399
<v Speaker 7>that road. Is so we had the, stadium well it's

2599
02:10:56.439 --> 02:10:58.560
<v Speaker 7>where it is, Now, well, no it was, here the

2600
02:10:58.640 --> 02:11:01.039
<v Speaker 7>old one, was or maybe said, NO i don't. Know

2601
02:11:01.720 --> 02:11:03.680
<v Speaker 7>you had to sit in the north end and Now

2602
02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:07.359
<v Speaker 7>Little pittsfield was, out so we had to walk across

2603
02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:10.800
<v Speaker 7>the parking. Lot next thing you, know there's like ten

2604
02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:13.840
<v Speaker 7>twelve black guys all around us and we don't know

2605
02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:16.119
<v Speaker 7>what's going. On we're high school. Kids guys had this

2606
02:11:16.319 --> 02:11:19.279
<v Speaker 7>white suit. On he hey, Man i'll never forget. This

2607
02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:23.239
<v Speaker 7>and he, said, hey you got a? Cigarette, MAN i got,

2608
02:11:23.319 --> 02:11:26.239
<v Speaker 7>one BUT i need another. ONE i Remember terry popping

2609
02:11:26.279 --> 02:11:29.680
<v Speaker 7>off like, no we don't, smoke. Man they said. Something

2610
02:11:29.680 --> 02:11:32.520
<v Speaker 7>and then he's, like, well hey, man you got cash

2611
02:11:32.640 --> 02:11:35.560
<v Speaker 7>SO i can buy. Something and next, THING i, know

2612
02:11:36.840 --> 02:11:38.279
<v Speaker 7>some something that hit me in the back of the,

2613
02:11:38.359 --> 02:11:40.880
<v Speaker 7>head not me right on my, ass AND i remember

2614
02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:44.199
<v Speaker 7>looking up and they were just all over, chair AND

2615
02:11:44.239 --> 02:11:46.479
<v Speaker 7>i remember and there were little. Guys there were some

2616
02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:50.760
<v Speaker 7>little guys jumping around kill the white. Motherfuckers and these

2617
02:11:50.840 --> 02:11:54.520
<v Speaker 7>guys were probably in their, twenties and there were people,

2618
02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:58.600
<v Speaker 7>around but nobody came, over and they were AND i

2619
02:11:58.760 --> 02:12:00.760
<v Speaker 7>just remember they were all over, him and THEN i

2620
02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:03.079
<v Speaker 7>was looking and the summits kicked me in the, face

2621
02:12:03.359 --> 02:12:05.800
<v Speaker 7>AND i don't remember anything after. That and then BUT

2622
02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:08.920
<v Speaker 7>i Remember terry getting a shot in a guy going

2623
02:12:09.000 --> 02:12:11.600
<v Speaker 7>down and they're all over him and he's just like,

2624
02:12:11.800 --> 02:12:15.079
<v Speaker 7>failing and next thing you, know it's over and they're all.

2625
02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:17.479
<v Speaker 7>Running and how all these people are running over, too

2626
02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:17.760
<v Speaker 7>is what.

2627
02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:18.359
<v Speaker 5>Happened what.

2628
02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:22.720
<v Speaker 7>Happened and then his dad saw something going. On his

2629
02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:25.560
<v Speaker 7>dad's down in the car and he's all freaked. OUT

2630
02:12:25.600 --> 02:12:27.159
<v Speaker 7>i didn't want my mom to know about, it And

2631
02:12:27.239 --> 02:12:31.439
<v Speaker 7>i'm all fucked, up and so, anyway it kind of

2632
02:12:32.319 --> 02:12:33.000
<v Speaker 7>why did they attack?

2633
02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You no?

2634
02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:37.199
<v Speaker 7>Reason just out of the. Boot there's neighborhoods over, there

2635
02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:44.720
<v Speaker 7>and you, KNOW i, remember you, know later on it

2636
02:12:44.960 --> 02:12:50.399
<v Speaker 7>WAS i don't know the times or, whatever because we go,

2637
02:12:50.640 --> 02:12:53.439
<v Speaker 7>BACK i can, remember and this would be the armory

2638
02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:57.840
<v Speaker 7>and the fair grounds because they are like colored bathrooms

2639
02:12:57.880 --> 02:13:01.760
<v Speaker 7>and white, bathrooms colored water fountains in white at The

2640
02:13:01.840 --> 02:13:04.800
<v Speaker 7>armory at The armory and The Tapa, fairgrounds the Old

2641
02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:07.560
<v Speaker 7>fairgrounds in. Downtown you were kids going to growing up

2642
02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:11.079
<v Speaker 7>into the, sixties actually into the. SEVENTIES i THINK i

2643
02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:17.119
<v Speaker 7>can't remember exactly where it, started But Port camp had

2644
02:13:17.159 --> 02:13:19.920
<v Speaker 7>a black section and growing up where we all got.

2645
02:13:19.960 --> 02:13:22.439
<v Speaker 7>Along where was That Port? Camp it was all the

2646
02:13:22.640 --> 02:13:26.079
<v Speaker 7>southern end where you're out To Picnic, island that was

2647
02:13:26.119 --> 02:13:28.640
<v Speaker 7>the black section that. Was it's still there today and

2648
02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:31.760
<v Speaker 7>it's that land is worth more, money and you can.

2649
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:36.199
<v Speaker 7>Imagine but those they had their own junior high.

2650
02:13:36.199 --> 02:13:36.760
<v Speaker 5>School they.

2651
02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:40.800
<v Speaker 7>Busted they went to a couple of junior high schools

2652
02:13:40.840 --> 02:13:42.640
<v Speaker 7>all the way across town on the other side of,

2653
02:13:42.680 --> 02:13:47.640
<v Speaker 7>downtown and they Had Blake High school Or Blake High

2654
02:13:47.640 --> 02:13:53.239
<v Speaker 7>school In Middletown High, School Burgert Junior high just three

2655
02:13:53.319 --> 02:13:56.800
<v Speaker 7>or four black junior highs around the. City but then

2656
02:13:56.880 --> 02:14:01.359
<v Speaker 7>in junior high we had. Some that was the first

2657
02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:06.600
<v Speaker 7>PLACE i saw seventh. Grade but we all became friends

2658
02:14:08.159 --> 02:14:10.239
<v Speaker 7>up through the ninth grade and all, that and into high.

2659
02:14:10.239 --> 02:14:12.720
<v Speaker 7>School you had black students in school with. Ye but

2660
02:14:12.960 --> 02:14:15.920
<v Speaker 7>they we got. Along we didn't plan had a lot of.

2661
02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:19.359
<v Speaker 7>Problems my senior, Year terry graduate year for. Me but

2662
02:14:19.479 --> 02:14:22.560
<v Speaker 7>my senior year they started. Bussing we had forty two.

2663
02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:25.960
<v Speaker 7>Buses we had fights and. Stuff they were busting black

2664
02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:27.920
<v Speaker 7>students into the. Year, yeah they closed down the high,

2665
02:14:27.960 --> 02:14:29.840
<v Speaker 7>schools had all that, changed and they brought in a

2666
02:14:29.840 --> 02:14:31.680
<v Speaker 7>whole bunch of black teachers and, everything and it was.

2667
02:14:31.800 --> 02:14:35.600
<v Speaker 7>Crazy it was hard for those. Students they got their

2668
02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:38.560
<v Speaker 7>high school taken away from. Them they pulled you, know

2669
02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:42.680
<v Speaker 7>everything we have now is all. Shared but it. Worked

2670
02:14:42.760 --> 02:14:44.399
<v Speaker 7>we had hell of the football. Team we went to

2671
02:14:44.520 --> 02:14:47.239
<v Speaker 7>state and the game was a. Disaster we played in

2672
02:14:47.279 --> 02:14:50.359
<v Speaker 7>all black schools And Fort. Pierce we pulled up and

2673
02:14:50.399 --> 02:14:53.159
<v Speaker 7>they turned the buses over for the band and they

2674
02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:55.479
<v Speaker 7>were beating up. Everybody we played in the stadium that

2675
02:14:55.640 --> 02:14:58.560
<v Speaker 7>had the stands went seven feet.

2676
02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:00.800
<v Speaker 5>High but that was just the.

2677
02:15:00.920 --> 02:15:05.600
<v Speaker 7>Time but but that thing THAT i remember that, Happened you,

2678
02:15:05.640 --> 02:15:09.399
<v Speaker 7>know that leads impressions on, you BECAUSE i remember later on,

2679
02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:12.880
<v Speaker 7>LIFE i can't. Remember you, know there was a big

2680
02:15:12.960 --> 02:15:15.600
<v Speaker 7>stink a couple of years ago about, oh he's a

2681
02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:21.760
<v Speaker 7>racist and all. This well people hadn't he's you had

2682
02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:26.279
<v Speaker 7>he said it with so many bad black people over the,

2683
02:15:26.399 --> 02:15:30.880
<v Speaker 7>Years i've never seen one sign of any racism or

2684
02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:34.840
<v Speaker 7>anything of what they, mentioned and he took so much

2685
02:15:34.920 --> 02:15:37.720
<v Speaker 7>grief And alway's burying this and he's in and out

2686
02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:38.960
<v Speaker 7>there full full of.

2687
02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Shit Danny browber, remembers, so oh, man that's, photography these

2688
02:15:45.279 --> 02:15:48.399
<v Speaker 2>flashpoints growing up that he remembers and brings to the.

2689
02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Table summer of. Seventy they're involved in. Music they're going

2690
02:15:51.520 --> 02:15:53.199
<v Speaker 2>to have some changes in the, band and he had

2691
02:15:53.279 --> 02:15:56.840
<v Speaker 2>no say. So Gary barris's dad called all the. Shots he.

2692
02:15:56.960 --> 02:15:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Remembers there's a lot of, turmoil And gary's dad ruled

2693
02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the band with the strict thumb and iron thumb in,

2694
02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:03.399
<v Speaker 2>fact AND i said it was good for the structure

2695
02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:08.159
<v Speaker 2>of the. Band but Eventually gary the various folks took,

2696
02:16:08.199 --> 02:16:10.520
<v Speaker 2>over such That Danny brower is kind of odd man

2697
02:16:10.600 --> 02:16:12.479
<v Speaker 2>out In infinity's end and he's no longer going to

2698
02:16:12.520 --> 02:16:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Be terry's. Bandmate he remembers a band called The surfers

2699
02:16:15.159 --> 02:16:17.039
<v Speaker 2>that wanted him to come over and play with them

2700
02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:19.399
<v Speaker 2>and be in that, band and he heard about it

2701
02:16:19.479 --> 02:16:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and he kind of jumped ship a little bit To

2702
02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Danny brower and left the Whole cook And friends circle

2703
02:16:24.479 --> 02:16:27.479
<v Speaker 2>for a little, while kind of got himself fired as a.

2704
02:16:27.560 --> 02:16:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Result From infinity's, end but he remembers they'd go to

2705
02:16:30.680 --> 02:16:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the matches growing up at The sportatorium he, remembers and

2706
02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:38.120
<v Speaker 2>The Tampa armory he, Remembers Paul jones And Buddy colt

2707
02:16:38.200 --> 02:16:40.719
<v Speaker 2>and one of those old timers he remembers Before dusty came,

2708
02:16:40.799 --> 02:16:43.280
<v Speaker 2>in they used to go buy wrestling magazine so they

2709
02:16:43.319 --> 02:16:45.440
<v Speaker 2>would know who the guys were going to be before

2710
02:16:45.479 --> 02:16:48.600
<v Speaker 2>they came Into, florida And danny remembers that When Dusty

2711
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.159
<v Speaker 2>rhodes came in blowing through a championship wrestling From, florida

2712
02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:53.920
<v Speaker 2>nobody seemed to know who he was at, first but

2713
02:16:54.079 --> 02:16:57.360
<v Speaker 2>him And terry knew Who dusty was because they would

2714
02:16:57.399 --> 02:17:01.000
<v Speaker 2>read the wrestling, magazines WHICH i love to picture in my,

2715
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Mind terry flipping through wrestling periodicals at the at the

2716
02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:08.879
<v Speaker 2>at the pharmacy or whatever In Port. Tampa that of

2717
02:17:08.920 --> 02:17:10.879
<v Speaker 2>course would have been the outlaw tag team That dusty

2718
02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:13.360
<v Speaker 2>had with The Dick murdoch before he turned face and

2719
02:17:13.799 --> 02:17:17.399
<v Speaker 2>lit the territory on. Fire, Eventually Danny, brower after splitting

2720
02:17:17.399 --> 02:17:19.399
<v Speaker 2>off From infinity's end and not playing music anymore With,

2721
02:17:19.520 --> 02:17:23.360
<v Speaker 2>terry gets into like the mini golf franchising business and

2722
02:17:24.360 --> 02:17:26.360
<v Speaker 2>gets a break at a pretty early age in that

2723
02:17:26.479 --> 02:17:28.559
<v Speaker 2>business and kind of starts to peel off a. Bit

2724
02:17:29.120 --> 02:17:31.440
<v Speaker 2>terry goes, off plays the music as we've talked about

2725
02:17:31.440 --> 02:17:33.760
<v Speaker 2>earlier in The Complete Hulk ogan and then eventually tries

2726
02:17:34.079 --> 02:17:37.840
<v Speaker 2>wrestling and visits With Hiro matsuda and the well documented

2727
02:17:37.879 --> 02:17:40.000
<v Speaker 2>story he ends up training with, him and at this

2728
02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.040
<v Speaker 2>point in, Time, brower you, know he had been such

2729
02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:45.879
<v Speaker 2>friends With hulk growing, up and you, know getting rides

2730
02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and stuff From hulk's parents and stuff that he Would

2731
02:17:49.319 --> 02:17:53.040
<v Speaker 2>he would actually just stop by sometimes and say hi To.

2732
02:17:53.200 --> 02:17:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Ruth and one, time one time he stopped by and

2733
02:17:57.040 --> 02:18:01.600
<v Speaker 2>who's recuperating In ruth's bed from a leg injury from.

2734
02:18:01.639 --> 02:18:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Training But Terry bully, WHAT.

2735
02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:07.680
<v Speaker 7>I stopped in to See ruth's AND i don't see

2736
02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:10.440
<v Speaker 7>his car. Nothing back then he didn't have The. Lincoln

2737
02:18:10.520 --> 02:18:13.360
<v Speaker 7>he had a, van but his van wasn't, there AND

2738
02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:15.040
<v Speaker 7>i just stopped AND i didn't have a lot of,

2739
02:18:15.159 --> 02:18:20.200
<v Speaker 7>time BUT i go up and in he then and

2740
02:18:21.079 --> 02:18:24.479
<v Speaker 7>she carries here And i'm, like what's going? On it's

2741
02:18:24.520 --> 02:18:28.680
<v Speaker 7>all beat up and, uh he's.

2742
02:18:27.920 --> 02:18:30.879
<v Speaker 5>Doing he's working with The bristos and being held.

2743
02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Out he's not bad and.

2744
02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:36.360
<v Speaker 7>So so he's in on his mom's. Bed he's in

2745
02:18:36.479 --> 02:18:40.200
<v Speaker 7>his mom's bedroom and, uh he's laying he can't get.

2746
02:18:40.319 --> 02:18:43.680
<v Speaker 7>Up he's Just i'll tell, you and he's starting he's telling,

2747
02:18:43.719 --> 02:18:47.319
<v Speaker 7>me And i'm And i'm kind of, like and, uh

2748
02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:52.840
<v Speaker 7>there's a Reason i'm telling you, this and AND i lasting,

2749
02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:59.760
<v Speaker 7>him why are you doing? Why but at the, time

2750
02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:05.600
<v Speaker 7>the wrestlers were like gods as we, saw you, know

2751
02:19:06.520 --> 02:19:10.799
<v Speaker 7>especially the reputation everything from the tamp. Office, well he

2752
02:19:10.879 --> 02:19:12.520
<v Speaker 7>got hooked up and make took him in and they're

2753
02:19:12.559 --> 02:19:13.159
<v Speaker 7>beating the ship.

2754
02:19:13.239 --> 02:19:13.799
<v Speaker 5>UP i, mean he's.

2755
02:19:14.719 --> 02:19:18.479
<v Speaker 7>Niece already fucked, up but his knees all fucking indigestion all.

2756
02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:23.360
<v Speaker 10>That he's, like look BUT i Got he's, LIKE i

2757
02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:27.639
<v Speaker 10>don't know how long he, goes but they're going to

2758
02:19:27.680 --> 02:19:28.600
<v Speaker 10>beat the hell on me every.

2759
02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.399
<v Speaker 7>Day But i'm going to be there every.

2760
02:19:31.559 --> 02:19:35.040
<v Speaker 2>DAY i Remember terry saying in his book that he'd

2761
02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:37.280
<v Speaker 2>have to sneak out of the house when his dad

2762
02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:38.879
<v Speaker 2>was at work so we wouldn't see that he got

2763
02:19:38.959 --> 02:19:43.559
<v Speaker 2>hurt training. Wrestling it does kind of add up that

2764
02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:46.000
<v Speaker 2>he would be there when Just ruth was. There but

2765
02:19:46.479 --> 02:19:48.760
<v Speaker 2>he also, says if you recall earlier from the journey

2766
02:19:48.799 --> 02:19:50.879
<v Speaker 2>that his dad also used to berate him on a

2767
02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:53.200
<v Speaker 2>daily basis for getting hurt and training and doing. This

2768
02:19:53.399 --> 02:19:55.559
<v Speaker 2>so you were either hiding from him at the cause

2769
02:19:55.639 --> 02:19:59.000
<v Speaker 2>at the crossway in or you. Weren't but that's apparently

2770
02:19:59.120 --> 02:20:01.000
<v Speaker 2>during one of those limping over to the house to

2771
02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>get taken care of by mommy, Sessions Danny brower stopped

2772
02:20:03.760 --> 02:20:06.879
<v Speaker 2>by and there he was so a little. More you,

2773
02:20:06.959 --> 02:20:09.280
<v Speaker 2>know what we're bringing here is just an absolute bevy

2774
02:20:09.319 --> 02:20:12.319
<v Speaker 2>of first person experiences on all of these little touchdowns

2775
02:20:12.319 --> 02:20:14.600
<v Speaker 2>that we've established thus far in the Complete Hulk hogan

2776
02:20:14.920 --> 02:20:17.200
<v Speaker 2>through the eyes Of Danny, brower who will take us

2777
02:20:17.239 --> 02:20:20.520
<v Speaker 2>to Places visavi The hulkster that THAT i think are quite.

2778
02:20:20.600 --> 02:20:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Unexpected but we're still in the in the. Familiar we're

2779
02:20:23.719 --> 02:20:27.079
<v Speaker 2>still here In. Tampa and you, know one thing he

2780
02:20:27.159 --> 02:20:29.559
<v Speaker 2>said About Hulk. Hogan one thing he said About terry

2781
02:20:29.760 --> 02:20:32.680
<v Speaker 2>was that he was he was savvy and he could

2782
02:20:32.760 --> 02:20:39.719
<v Speaker 2>see he could See hulk developing the characteristics that that

2783
02:20:39.760 --> 02:20:43.680
<v Speaker 2>would come to benefit him. Later you know That hulk

2784
02:20:43.799 --> 02:20:47.239
<v Speaker 2>just knew how to how to work a. System, well

2785
02:20:47.319 --> 02:20:48.559
<v Speaker 2>there's one he's.

2786
02:20:53.239 --> 02:20:59.159
<v Speaker 7>Going back to those. Days he had a good sense

2787
02:21:00.280 --> 02:21:05.239
<v Speaker 7>like a business sense or, judge you. Know he HE

2788
02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:10.120
<v Speaker 7>i don't know if i'd say knew how to work the,

2789
02:21:10.280 --> 02:21:14.079
<v Speaker 7>system but he could work the, system and he knew.

2790
02:21:14.120 --> 02:21:17.600
<v Speaker 2>It and his brower himself gets into the. Business he,

2791
02:21:17.719 --> 02:21:20.200
<v Speaker 2>realizes you know, what there is a system here to be.

2792
02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:24.959
<v Speaker 7>Worked it takes a while to realize this is nothing

2793
02:21:25.000 --> 02:21:25.719
<v Speaker 7>but one Big.

2794
02:21:25.719 --> 02:21:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Carl, Brother CAN i replay that?

2795
02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>One here we?

2796
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:33.079
<v Speaker 13>Go, yes it takes a while to realize this is

2797
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:36.719
<v Speaker 13>nothing but one Big. Carl and as you, know ed

2798
02:21:36.799 --> 02:21:39.639
<v Speaker 13>And fraud dropped back in on him and encourage him

2799
02:21:39.639 --> 02:21:42.159
<v Speaker 13>to get in shape and try. Wrestling he, does he.

2800
02:21:42.280 --> 02:21:45.000
<v Speaker 13>Tried Charlie lay first down at The, Spartatorium terry's old

2801
02:21:45.000 --> 02:21:47.200
<v Speaker 13>buddy in the front office there right when you walk

2802
02:21:47.239 --> 02:21:52.079
<v Speaker 13>in the front, door there he, is and, yeah Diddy

2803
02:21:52.120 --> 02:21:55.479
<v Speaker 13>brower walks. In at one point There's Charlie lay sitting

2804
02:21:55.520 --> 02:21:57.479
<v Speaker 13>there as he did all, day listening to his little

2805
02:21:57.520 --> 02:21:59.920
<v Speaker 13>am radio selling tickets to the shows at the. Temple

2806
02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:02.600
<v Speaker 13>sat outside for a, while not sure what to, do

2807
02:22:03.319 --> 02:22:04.719
<v Speaker 13>knowing that this is the same, place you know The

2808
02:22:04.799 --> 02:22:07.559
<v Speaker 13>terry went too and went through the meat grinder and

2809
02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:10.840
<v Speaker 13>ended up In mama's bed with his leg up remembers

2810
02:22:10.879 --> 02:22:13.479
<v Speaker 13>going in, there said how you doing and Telling Charlie,

2811
02:22:13.520 --> 02:22:17.920
<v Speaker 13>LAY i want to, wrestle And charlie said What, Dan he,

2812
02:22:17.959 --> 02:22:19.399
<v Speaker 13>said whatever you got to, DO i want to do.

2813
02:22:19.479 --> 02:22:23.600
<v Speaker 13>It Charlie lay just said get out of. Here brower,

2814
02:22:23.600 --> 02:22:25.680
<v Speaker 13>Said i'm, like, listen you don't UNDERSTAND i want to do,

2815
02:22:25.840 --> 02:22:28.719
<v Speaker 13>this and he's, like fuck you get the fuck out of.

2816
02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Here. Wow, Yes so we went out the door To

2817
02:22:31.879 --> 02:22:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Danny brower felt like he was going to go back,

2818
02:22:33.959 --> 02:22:36.719
<v Speaker 2>in but he remembers, thinking you, know and if you

2819
02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:38.239
<v Speaker 2>go back, in you're going to get your ass beat

2820
02:22:38.360 --> 02:22:41.120
<v Speaker 2>and you're still not going to get. Anywhere So Danny

2821
02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:43.159
<v Speaker 2>brower ended up training not with here a matsuit And

2822
02:22:43.239 --> 02:22:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Eddie graham and. Stuff at The. Sporatorum he trained With

2823
02:22:47.159 --> 02:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Professor Boris, malenko the same guy who stepped in front

2824
02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:52.040
<v Speaker 2>of The PLAN b cameras and told as many people

2825
02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:54.399
<v Speaker 2>that would see the videotape that he never had a

2826
02:22:54.479 --> 02:22:56.840
<v Speaker 2>real fight in his life and this is, all you,

2827
02:22:56.920 --> 02:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>know complete. Bullshit that.

2828
02:22:59.200 --> 02:23:04.200
<v Speaker 7>Guy it takes a while to realize this is nothing

2829
02:23:04.239 --> 02:23:04.799
<v Speaker 7>but one big.

2830
02:23:04.920 --> 02:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Carl they took him to the gym in eighty, one

2831
02:23:08.040 --> 02:23:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Did terry And, eddie and it takes a.

2832
02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:12.239
<v Speaker 3>While once he takes a while to realize.

2833
02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:15.159
<v Speaker 2>That's a good. Question it's a good, point rather a

2834
02:23:15.280 --> 02:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>very good, point and he trains for the business there.

2835
02:23:17.840 --> 02:23:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Instead and you, know he remembers going to The Imperial

2836
02:23:21.120 --> 02:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>room and stuff like that and Just blinko tried telling

2837
02:23:26.239 --> 02:23:27.760
<v Speaker 2>him that you have no idea what the road is,

2838
02:23:27.840 --> 02:23:29.239
<v Speaker 2>like but he didn't hear a word of. It he

2839
02:23:29.360 --> 02:23:32.040
<v Speaker 2>wanted to follow in the footsteps of his of His tampa,

2840
02:23:32.079 --> 02:23:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Buddies Terry bolea in, particular he remembers the first time

2841
02:23:37.360 --> 02:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>he did anything related to steroids was on his. Own

2842
02:23:41.479 --> 02:23:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Danny brower remembers meeting a guy at a at a

2843
02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>golden gym In Saint. Pete the guy was a school

2844
02:23:46.040 --> 02:23:48.360
<v Speaker 2>teacher who worked part time at the gym and introduced

2845
02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>him To Diana ball told him how it worked all,

2846
02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that and how he could get it all for. Him

2847
02:23:52.760 --> 02:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>and he went from there to testosterone and learned how

2848
02:23:55.440 --> 02:23:58.280
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff worked and tried to understand, it understood

2849
02:23:58.280 --> 02:23:59.879
<v Speaker 2>that he was taking a, risk but doing it on

2850
02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:02.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of a, program a, regimen not just you, know

2851
02:24:02.639 --> 02:24:06.319
<v Speaker 2>inject the stuff and see what. Happens i'd ask you,

2852
02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:08.360
<v Speaker 2>though when push comes to, Shove, Boss while he may

2853
02:24:08.399 --> 02:24:13.319
<v Speaker 2>not have Introduced Danny brower to, steroids who do you

2854
02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:17.559
<v Speaker 2>think taught him how to? Roid at the end of the,

2855
02:24:17.639 --> 02:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>day who do.

2856
02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:18.639
<v Speaker 5>You, think.

2857
02:24:20.159 --> 02:24:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Well This Danny? Brower, yeah, well who do you think

2858
02:24:23.360 --> 02:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Taught Danny? Brower? Brother?

2859
02:24:26.680 --> 02:24:26.879
<v Speaker 5>Right?

2860
02:24:28.360 --> 02:24:34.799
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Wow I'M i don't tell, you, Brother i've never done.

2861
02:24:35.120 --> 02:24:38.239
<v Speaker 3>THAT i don't do. Steroids i'm not addicted to. Steroids

2862
02:24:38.280 --> 02:24:42.879
<v Speaker 3>i'm not an abuser of. Roids say you're addicted to. Steroids,

2863
02:24:50.799 --> 02:24:54.159
<v Speaker 3>OH i wasn't ready for that. One for all the

2864
02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:57.920
<v Speaker 3>things we've come up, WITH i don't think we've ever

2865
02:24:58.079 --> 02:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Said i'm not addicted to. STEROIDS i don't deal about.

2866
02:25:07.000 --> 02:25:12.559
<v Speaker 3>It you don't have addiction, symptoms, brother or. Problem i'm

2867
02:25:12.559 --> 02:25:18.280
<v Speaker 3>not addicted to. Steroids, brother set every. ADDICT i don't

2868
02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:18.520
<v Speaker 3>think you.

2869
02:25:18.600 --> 02:25:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Know of all the years we've talked About holican, STEROIDS

2870
02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>i don't think that one has ever come together quite

2871
02:25:23.879 --> 02:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>like that steroid. Addiction, no, anyway here's the answer to the.

2872
02:25:27.600 --> 02:25:31.559
<v Speaker 7>Question they make it sound like you walk in a

2873
02:25:31.600 --> 02:25:34.680
<v Speaker 7>drive some guys you're, Shooting so you never, know, brother you,

2874
02:25:34.799 --> 02:25:37.639
<v Speaker 7>know sorry body shot if somebody did. It but in a.

2875
02:25:37.680 --> 02:25:38.840
<v Speaker 7>Bathroom you wouldn't even.

2876
02:25:38.719 --> 02:25:38.959
<v Speaker 1>Know it.

2877
02:25:41.120 --> 02:25:44.239
<v Speaker 7>Three C c full of needles or were.

2878
02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:44.600
<v Speaker 5>Wrong.

2879
02:25:47.479 --> 02:25:50.079
<v Speaker 7>Terry terry taught me how to take.

2880
02:25:50.159 --> 02:25:55.520
<v Speaker 11>Shots take one one side of, you but and you

2881
02:25:55.680 --> 02:26:01.280
<v Speaker 11>draw not AN, x but plus and anywhere in the

2882
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:02.959
<v Speaker 11>top RIGHT.

2883
02:26:03.360 --> 02:26:07.360
<v Speaker 7>X you can hit it anywhere and you don't have

2884
02:26:07.399 --> 02:26:11.479
<v Speaker 7>to worry about hitting veins or. Anything he gotta you

2885
02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:14.959
<v Speaker 7>gotta set it all up when you you, know you

2886
02:26:16.680 --> 02:26:18.040
<v Speaker 7>were bubbles and all kinds of.

2887
02:26:18.079 --> 02:26:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Ship gotta get rid of the bubbles him and pretty

2888
02:26:23.280 --> 02:26:27.200
<v Speaker 2>soon you know the steroid. Thing and it just got

2889
02:26:27.239 --> 02:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>to the point where why don't we, JUST i don't, know,

2890
02:26:29.200 --> 02:26:32.360
<v Speaker 2>boss why don't we just have the stuff sent To brower's? House?

2891
02:26:32.600 --> 02:26:36.680
<v Speaker 7>RIGHT i took all the heat WHENEVER i. Was but

2892
02:26:36.799 --> 02:26:39.280
<v Speaker 7>then then there was a lot of stuff started piling,

2893
02:26:39.399 --> 02:26:43.520
<v Speaker 7>up and it wasn't necessarily involved With terry and uh

2894
02:26:44.639 --> 02:26:47.079
<v Speaker 7>and the thing that THING i was showing you there

2895
02:26:47.200 --> 02:26:50.719
<v Speaker 7>with the, horn these, deliveries there's a lot more than.

2896
02:26:50.799 --> 02:26:56.040
<v Speaker 5>That WHERE i, lived there was guys who.

2897
02:26:55.920 --> 02:26:58.680
<v Speaker 7>Would make an. Orders there were people making orders and

2898
02:26:59.559 --> 02:27:03.319
<v Speaker 7>they would go to my, house guys from the, area

2899
02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:07.239
<v Speaker 7>and they'd come over and sometimes hanging, out sometimes big

2900
02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:08.959
<v Speaker 7>a up Or i'd see him at the gym And,

2901
02:27:09.120 --> 02:27:14.079
<v Speaker 7>raham you, know they just and they. WOULD i didn't

2902
02:27:14.120 --> 02:27:15.879
<v Speaker 7>get all, that you, know there would be things in

2903
02:27:15.959 --> 02:27:18.360
<v Speaker 7>there for, me and some of the Stuff Terry wood or,

2904
02:27:18.440 --> 02:27:19.959
<v Speaker 7>stuff some.

2905
02:27:20.040 --> 02:27:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Of the Stuff. Terry we're starting to we're starting to understand,

2906
02:27:25.159 --> 02:27:29.840
<v Speaker 2>why of all the the boyhood friends That Terry bullay

2907
02:27:29.879 --> 02:27:32.319
<v Speaker 2>is short a name check in his two books and

2908
02:27:32.799 --> 02:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>all of his interviews over the, Years Danny browner was

2909
02:27:35.040 --> 02:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>never really among, them despite as we've well established And

2910
02:27:37.920 --> 02:27:40.959
<v Speaker 2>brad balucciin was able to establish by this, point didn't

2911
02:27:40.959 --> 02:27:43.360
<v Speaker 2>get much tighter than these. Two it sounds like in

2912
02:27:43.399 --> 02:27:45.319
<v Speaker 2>the earliest years growing up In, tampa a lot of

2913
02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:49.639
<v Speaker 2>formative experiences, together car crashes into palm, trees getting jumped

2914
02:27:49.680 --> 02:27:52.479
<v Speaker 2>in parking, lots going shoulder to shoulder With Mike, graham

2915
02:27:53.079 --> 02:27:55.799
<v Speaker 2>playing the pinball machines and in, bands and he never

2916
02:27:55.879 --> 02:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>seems to come. Up it's just. WILD i don't know

2917
02:27:57.639 --> 02:27:59.360
<v Speaker 2>if it has anything to do with those deliveries or.

2918
02:27:59.399 --> 02:28:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Not ALL i know is they continue befriending each. Other

2919
02:28:03.760 --> 02:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>last time on The Memphis, journey we went ahead a

2920
02:28:05.479 --> 02:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit to nineteen eighty, one When hulk had already

2921
02:28:07.559 --> 02:28:09.559
<v Speaker 2>made it, big so to, speak and had come back

2922
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to Wrestle Jerry. Lawler will they hook up again around

2923
02:28:12.680 --> 02:28:15.120
<v Speaker 2>that point in. Time in, fact When Danny brower was

2924
02:28:15.159 --> 02:28:18.559
<v Speaker 2>recalling that near death incident on The Skyway bridge and

2925
02:28:18.639 --> 02:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>How Ed leslie And Hulk hogan just happened to show

2926
02:28:20.559 --> 02:28:22.399
<v Speaker 2>up the next, day he actually remembers that being in

2927
02:28:22.479 --> 02:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>eighty one as opposed to seventy, nine which, IS i guess.

2928
02:28:26.239 --> 02:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>POSSIBLE i don't really Picture hogan and ed running together

2929
02:28:30.120 --> 02:28:33.319
<v Speaker 2>thickest thieves at that point in time as opposed to seventy,

2930
02:28:33.399 --> 02:28:35.520
<v Speaker 2>nine but it could have been what he was. Describing

2931
02:28:35.879 --> 02:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but what he does say is When hulk Rematched Jerry

2932
02:28:38.280 --> 02:28:40.840
<v Speaker 2>lawler and The Bayfront, center remember we watched that promo

2933
02:28:40.959 --> 02:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>From Florida. Television he was, there And Danny brower is

2934
02:28:45.920 --> 02:28:49.079
<v Speaker 2>very much partaking in the fringe benefits of wrestling stardom

2935
02:28:49.120 --> 02:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>at that. Time he's getting head in. Cars all, right

2936
02:28:52.920 --> 02:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>let's make that. Clear, yes let's get a little more

2937
02:28:56.120 --> 02:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>meat on the bone in terms of how closely he's

2938
02:28:59.600 --> 02:29:03.639
<v Speaker 2>riding With terry bullat in eighty. One so there's a.

2939
02:29:03.719 --> 02:29:06.000
<v Speaker 7>Show at The, Bayfront terry's working With.

2940
02:29:08.360 --> 02:29:09.239
<v Speaker 5>Jerry Loll.

2941
02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:14.000
<v Speaker 7>Jerry, Law Jerry. Lower, YEAH i can't remember. It just

2942
02:29:14.520 --> 02:29:16.920
<v Speaker 7>he was in. Town they were a week or so

2943
02:29:17.200 --> 02:29:20.600
<v Speaker 7>and they just came down And jerry came down and

2944
02:29:20.639 --> 02:29:23.399
<v Speaker 7>they did a thing ON tv and JUST i didn't

2945
02:29:23.399 --> 02:29:25.479
<v Speaker 7>think they only worked that one. Night we're just a

2946
02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:28.040
<v Speaker 7>big show at The. Bayfront So i'm heading over there

2947
02:29:28.399 --> 02:29:29.520
<v Speaker 7>and we're going.

2948
02:29:29.600 --> 02:29:30.120
<v Speaker 5>In we're going.

2949
02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:35.719
<v Speaker 7>In there's all these girls just going in and they, said,

2950
02:29:35.840 --> 02:29:37.600
<v Speaker 7>oh right there in the court and said the fucking.

2951
02:29:37.680 --> 02:29:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Deal and that's kind of, like you, Know i'm, like,

2952
02:29:42.200 --> 02:29:46.159
<v Speaker 7>oh this is. Fuck get married. Again i'm. NOT i

2953
02:29:46.319 --> 02:29:50.319
<v Speaker 7>had to grow my, dreams you, know you. Know describe

2954
02:29:50.399 --> 02:29:50.719
<v Speaker 7>the next.

2955
02:29:50.920 --> 02:29:53.040
<v Speaker 5>Us That's.

2956
02:29:53.120 --> 02:29:55.879
<v Speaker 7>Danny the adventure was in it for. Me BUT i

2957
02:29:56.079 --> 02:30:02.719
<v Speaker 7>just remember two times and one night like His georgine.

2958
02:30:03.920 --> 02:30:04.639
<v Speaker 10>And it was like that.

2959
02:30:04.799 --> 02:30:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere So danny is riding tight and hard with his

2960
02:30:09.239 --> 02:30:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Old tampa. Buddies but then that time. Comes he remembers

2961
02:30:12.799 --> 02:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>it as eighty one where he drives up to The

2962
02:30:14.440 --> 02:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>skyway bridge those barriers, there and he's. Divorced he's lost

2963
02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in his business. Ventures there's all

2964
02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:23.840
<v Speaker 2>kinds of personal, issues and he's coked out of his.

2965
02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Mind and as we played for you last time when

2966
02:30:26.360 --> 02:30:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the complete Holl Cogain Danny brower was thinking about ending

2967
02:30:28.440 --> 02:30:30.639
<v Speaker 2>it all on the Iconic Skyway. BRIDGE i think it's

2968
02:30:30.639 --> 02:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>the same bridge THAT i think it. Was Gary barriss

2969
02:30:33.079 --> 02:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>told us That Terry wants claimed to have climbed up

2970
02:30:35.799 --> 02:30:37.879
<v Speaker 2>a billboard next to. You remember he had his big

2971
02:30:37.959 --> 02:30:40.719
<v Speaker 2>tall tale about. That so everyone seems to have A

2972
02:30:40.760 --> 02:30:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Skyway bridge, story Including Terry. Funk WHEN i was hearing the,

2973
02:30:44.280 --> 02:30:47.639
<v Speaker 2>STORY i was, like, wow this actually With danny's describing

2974
02:30:47.760 --> 02:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>And i'm not not to diminish what seemed to be

2975
02:30:49.959 --> 02:30:53.360
<v Speaker 2>a very traumatic and desperate moment for, him but it

2976
02:30:53.479 --> 02:30:56.319
<v Speaker 2>really seemed to be very similar to a publicity stunt

2977
02:30:56.479 --> 02:30:59.799
<v Speaker 2>That Terry funk once, pulled according To dick's later on

2978
02:30:59.840 --> 02:31:02.799
<v Speaker 2>that exact. Bridge just very quickly here From dix' later's.

2979
02:31:02.799 --> 02:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Book one, Day terry AND i were sitting there eating.

2980
02:31:05.239 --> 02:31:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Breakfast we had some other things we were trying to

2981
02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>do to get some really good publicity on.

2982
02:31:09.360 --> 02:31:10.280
<v Speaker 3>US i don't know.

2983
02:31:10.399 --> 02:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Why we just thought we'd have fun and we were

2984
02:31:12.799 --> 02:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>thinking about going over to The Skyway bridge and Doing

2985
02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:20.479
<v Speaker 2>boss The Skyway. Caper ooh. Oh he wanted to Be

2986
02:31:20.799 --> 02:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>terry the only man who ever survived the. Jump The

2987
02:31:24.920 --> 02:31:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Skyway bridge is something like eight hundred feet tall from

2988
02:31:27.680 --> 02:31:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the span down to the. Water, no there have been

2989
02:31:29.680 --> 02:31:31.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who have jumped off of. It of,

2990
02:31:31.239 --> 02:31:33.399
<v Speaker 2>course the average outcome hasn't really been. GREAT i don't

2991
02:31:33.399 --> 02:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>believe anybody has. Survived he wanted to be the first

2992
02:31:35.799 --> 02:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>one to jump off The Skyway bridge and actually survive

2993
02:31:38.280 --> 02:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the fall and the swim back to. Shore, now of,

2994
02:31:40.360 --> 02:31:42.959
<v Speaker 2>course being that he wanted to get publicity known for doing,

2995
02:31:43.040 --> 02:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that he had to figure out a way to get

2996
02:31:44.920 --> 02:31:46.799
<v Speaker 2>up on The skyway and make sure they knew he

2997
02:31:46.959 --> 02:31:49.959
<v Speaker 2>was going to. Jump of, course can't tell them you're

2998
02:31:49.959 --> 02:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>going to jump, off and you can't stop your car

2999
02:31:51.920 --> 02:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>on the top of The Skyway, bridge because the first

3000
02:31:54.040 --> 02:31:56.559
<v Speaker 2>thing they would do is they would probably lock you,

3001
02:31:56.680 --> 02:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>up they'd baker act you as being. Nuts i'm sure they,

3002
02:31:59.440 --> 02:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>would and they would arrest you for parking your car

3003
02:32:01.360 --> 02:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>illegally as part of the. Bargain so we thought of.

3004
02:32:03.680 --> 02:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>This we went down and rented a car at The Tampa.

3005
02:32:06.639 --> 02:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Airport terry sat down and he wrote a, big long

3006
02:32:11.120 --> 02:32:14.120
<v Speaker 2>letter to his, Wife, vicki who was home In. Amarilla.

3007
02:32:14.680 --> 02:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Ooh in the, letter he put that he had been

3008
02:32:16.799 --> 02:32:19.479
<v Speaker 2>a rotten husband all his, life and he was real.

3009
02:32:19.600 --> 02:32:22.479
<v Speaker 2>Sorry he had been hated by all the wrestling fans

3010
02:32:22.520 --> 02:32:24.840
<v Speaker 2>because he was such a rotten, person and he'd beat

3011
02:32:24.920 --> 02:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Up Dusty roads and everybody else he wrestled in the

3012
02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:29.520
<v Speaker 2>state Of. Florida he figured that he wanted to be

3013
02:32:29.559 --> 02:32:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the only man ever to survive the jump off The skyway.

3014
02:32:32.360 --> 02:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Bridge if he didn't make the leap and come out,

3015
02:32:35.079 --> 02:32:37.319
<v Speaker 2>alive then it was his own fault And god was

3016
02:32:37.360 --> 02:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>going to take him because he was such a rotten.

3017
02:32:39.159 --> 02:32:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Person SO i was going to follow him over to

3018
02:32:41.319 --> 02:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>The Skyway bridge in my. Car he was going to

3019
02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>park the car on the top of The. Skyway he'd

3020
02:32:45.760 --> 02:32:48.239
<v Speaker 2>leave the door. Cracked he'd put the letter up on the.

3021
02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:50.959
<v Speaker 2>Dashboard when the police found the car on the top

3022
02:32:51.000 --> 02:32:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of The, skyway it would be registered to the car rental.

3023
02:32:53.360 --> 02:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Place they would check say it was rented out To Terry.

3024
02:32:55.959 --> 02:32:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Funk the police would have found the, letter and then

3025
02:32:58.159 --> 02:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>everything would have added. Up we left my apartment In

3026
02:33:00.959 --> 02:33:02.799
<v Speaker 2>tampa to go over to do. THIS i put him

3027
02:33:02.799 --> 02:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>in the. BATHTUB i got three boxes Of epps and.

3028
02:33:05.559 --> 02:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Salts he lay in the bathtub and we poured the

3029
02:33:07.879 --> 02:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>EPs and salts in. There he soaked in the salt

3030
02:33:10.440 --> 02:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>from about three o'clock until let's say five o'clock in the.

3031
02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Morning that was two. Hours his skin looked like a.

3032
02:33:15.600 --> 02:33:19.079
<v Speaker 2>PRUNE i had some sandpaper at the. House we sandpapered

3033
02:33:19.120 --> 02:33:21.040
<v Speaker 2>his elbows, down and his cheeks and his face to

3034
02:33:21.079 --> 02:33:23.479
<v Speaker 2>the top of his forehead and some of his nose

3035
02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:25.399
<v Speaker 2>where he was like kind of bleeding from his, nose

3036
02:33:25.440 --> 02:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>and the sides of his arms and. Stuff he looked

3037
02:33:27.440 --> 02:33:28.879
<v Speaker 2>like he had jumped off the bridge and hit the

3038
02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>water pretty. Hard the plan was to drive over there

3039
02:33:31.479 --> 02:33:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and park the car on the top of the. Bridge

3040
02:33:33.120 --> 02:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>so off we went to The. Skyway it was a

3041
02:33:35.319 --> 02:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. Ride we had to go from Tamp over

3042
02:33:37.319 --> 02:33:39.399
<v Speaker 2>To Saint. PETERSBURG i had to wrap him up with

3043
02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:41.479
<v Speaker 2>towels around his arms so his skin would still be

3044
02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the same texture as it was when we, left and

3045
02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:45.479
<v Speaker 2>he looked pretty. Bad so we took and parked the

3046
02:33:45.520 --> 02:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>car on the.

3047
02:33:45.920 --> 02:33:46.239
<v Speaker 5>Top of The.

3048
02:33:46.280 --> 02:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Skyway he jumped into my car and we went on

3049
02:33:48.680 --> 02:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to the other side of the. Bridge we got, off

3050
02:33:50.680 --> 02:33:53.479
<v Speaker 2>turned around and all the back across To Saint PETE i.

3051
02:33:53.600 --> 02:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>DROVE i went down to this little roadside park to

3052
02:33:55.840 --> 02:33:57.959
<v Speaker 2>let him. OFF i MEANT i had to go all

3053
02:33:58.000 --> 02:33:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the way across and then all the way back To

3054
02:33:59.680 --> 02:34:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Saint it meant rather THAT i had to do. That

3055
02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:04.159
<v Speaker 2>the only WAY i could turn around was go back

3056
02:34:04.159 --> 02:34:06.120
<v Speaker 2>over the bridge and come back around and play the toll.

3057
02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:08.799
<v Speaker 2>TWICE i parked on the side of the road let

3058
02:34:08.879 --> 02:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>him out as this little roadside. PARK i didn't want

3059
02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to be seen BECAUSE i was the, spotter SO i

3060
02:34:13.280 --> 02:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>took the car back over to the other side of the.

3061
02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Road he went and lay half in the water and

3062
02:34:18.479 --> 02:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>half out of the. Water he figured that the police

3063
02:34:22.959 --> 02:34:26.079
<v Speaker 2>or somebody would have found my car with a note

3064
02:34:26.440 --> 02:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and they would have radioed the coast guard out, there

3065
02:34:28.479 --> 02:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>thinking either he was in the water or he had

3066
02:34:30.440 --> 02:34:32.399
<v Speaker 2>not made, it or he could be on, shore or

3067
02:34:32.440 --> 02:34:34.959
<v Speaker 2>a boat could have picked him up or. SOMETHING i

3068
02:34:35.079 --> 02:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>sat there in a roadside park on the other side

3069
02:34:37.360 --> 02:34:39.879
<v Speaker 2>of where he was for a good two. Hours nobody

3070
02:34:39.920 --> 02:34:43.159
<v Speaker 2>paid any, attention SO i had to drive back across

3071
02:34:43.239 --> 02:34:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the skyway again then come back to get him to his,

3072
02:34:46.479 --> 02:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>side and that roadside PARK i pulled. UP i got

3073
02:34:49.479 --> 02:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>out of the car and walked over. THERE i, Said,

3074
02:34:51.479 --> 02:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>terry is this not going to. Work i'll try it again.

3075
02:34:56.120 --> 02:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Sometime so back out of the. Water he came in

3076
02:34:59.200 --> 02:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>into the. Car all the way, home he told me

3077
02:35:01.399 --> 02:35:03.479
<v Speaker 2>about how this was going to. Work the next. TIME

3078
02:35:03.799 --> 02:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>i was just laughing my head. Off he was lying

3079
02:35:06.360 --> 02:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>in the salt water for a couple. Hours he looked really.

3080
02:35:08.799 --> 02:35:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Bad we went back and Told Cowboy Bill watts we

3081
02:35:11.760 --> 02:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>had tried it and it didn't. Work terry's always wanted

3082
02:35:14.559 --> 02:35:19.760
<v Speaker 2>to try that. Again So Terry funk again echoes through

3083
02:35:19.879 --> 02:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the story one way or another of hulk out and In.

3084
02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Tampa but as the years turn summer of sixty nine

3085
02:35:27.239 --> 02:35:29.479
<v Speaker 2>to the summer of seventy, nine we get to the

3086
02:35:29.520 --> 02:35:33.319
<v Speaker 2>summer of eighty, nine and Soon Terry, bullay according To, Danny,

3087
02:35:33.319 --> 02:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>brower was Avoiding danny all of a, sudden even at

3088
02:35:37.799 --> 02:35:40.879
<v Speaker 2>one point he recalls kind of pretending he couldn't even

3089
02:35:40.959 --> 02:35:45.360
<v Speaker 2>hear him on the, phone and he never understood really,

3090
02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>why or at least he claims to not understand. Why

3091
02:35:48.360 --> 02:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>he was talking To Brad blucchian about being called as

3092
02:35:51.000 --> 02:35:54.280
<v Speaker 2>a witness By vince McMahon side in the trial in

3093
02:35:54.399 --> 02:35:57.559
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, four, night in, fact Befriending Laura, Burvetti vince's

3094
02:35:57.559 --> 02:35:59.680
<v Speaker 2>attorney in the whole, deal quite a, bit and even

3095
02:35:59.680 --> 02:36:03.040
<v Speaker 2>heading out To Long island for the, trial and apparently being,

3096
02:36:03.120 --> 02:36:07.079
<v Speaker 2>ready if need, be to offer. Testimony and it's in

3097
02:36:07.120 --> 02:36:09.559
<v Speaker 2>a second book That Hulk hogan recalls entering the courtroom

3098
02:36:09.600 --> 02:36:12.879
<v Speaker 2>In Long island and coming face to face With Danny. Brower,

3099
02:36:12.959 --> 02:36:16.879
<v Speaker 2>again he doesn't call Him Danny, brower he calls him his.

3100
02:36:17.079 --> 02:36:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Mule and Here Brad blucchian reads the passage From hulk's

3101
02:36:21.639 --> 02:36:25.159
<v Speaker 2>second book To danny's, face a passage he'd never heard.

3102
02:36:25.440 --> 02:36:31.159
<v Speaker 6>Before So terry, SAYS i still had this instinct That

3103
02:36:31.360 --> 02:36:33.680
<v Speaker 6>vince was somehow going to try to flip the whole

3104
02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:36.520
<v Speaker 6>case and blame it on. ME i had no idea

3105
02:36:36.600 --> 02:36:38.760
<v Speaker 6>how you would do, that BUT i just thought it

3106
02:36:38.799 --> 02:36:40.840
<v Speaker 6>would be an easy way out if he pointed a

3107
02:36:40.920 --> 02:36:43.079
<v Speaker 6>finger At Hulk hogan and let the media run.

3108
02:36:43.159 --> 02:36:46.879
<v Speaker 7>Wild my instinct was. Right AS i walked into.

3109
02:36:46.760 --> 02:36:50.079
<v Speaker 6>That, COURTROOM i looked over and saw my, mule the

3110
02:36:50.200 --> 02:36:52.879
<v Speaker 6>guy who used to carry drugs and steroids for me

3111
02:36:53.000 --> 02:36:55.959
<v Speaker 6>on the, road sitting right next To vince And vince's.

3112
02:36:55.959 --> 02:37:00.000
<v Speaker 6>Attorney why is he, HERE i wondered if my testimony

3113
02:37:00.079 --> 02:37:02.399
<v Speaker 6>only Hurt. VINCE i have no doubt that they would

3114
02:37:02.399 --> 02:37:04.840
<v Speaker 6>have used my mule to tell every tall tale in

3115
02:37:04.920 --> 02:37:07.600
<v Speaker 6>the book about my steroid use and HOW i was

3116
02:37:07.680 --> 02:37:10.479
<v Speaker 6>running them all over the country or selling them or

3117
02:37:10.559 --> 02:37:13.799
<v Speaker 6>forcing them on my. Opponents this mule must have been

3118
02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:15.440
<v Speaker 6>there as a backup to crush my.

3119
02:37:15.600 --> 02:37:18.559
<v Speaker 7>Credibility that would have meant the end of my career.

3120
02:37:19.120 --> 02:37:21.920
<v Speaker 7>Forever vince truly had nothing to worry.

3121
02:37:21.959 --> 02:37:24.120
<v Speaker 6>About on the witness, stand The feds asked me If

3122
02:37:24.200 --> 02:37:25.120
<v Speaker 6>vince had ever sold me.

3123
02:37:25.200 --> 02:37:28.120
<v Speaker 7>STEROIDS i answered. No he asked me If i'd ever

3124
02:37:28.200 --> 02:37:30.520
<v Speaker 7>inject if he had ever injected me with. Steroids.

3125
02:37:30.760 --> 02:37:33.559
<v Speaker 6>NO i even explained to, THEM i wouldn't trust anyone

3126
02:37:33.600 --> 02:37:35.600
<v Speaker 6>else to stick a needle in, me Because i'd stuck

3127
02:37:35.680 --> 02:37:38.319
<v Speaker 6>myself a thousand times and knew how to do it

3128
02:37:38.360 --> 02:37:41.319
<v Speaker 6>without hurting any without hitting any. NERVES i would never

3129
02:37:41.479 --> 02:37:44.479
<v Speaker 6>Trust vince to stick a needle in. Me can you

3130
02:37:44.520 --> 02:37:45.280
<v Speaker 6>think you're talking about?

3131
02:37:45.280 --> 02:37:49.559
<v Speaker 7>You AS i got the? Mule probably probably, right. Mule

3132
02:37:49.600 --> 02:37:50.159
<v Speaker 7>who else would?

3133
02:37:50.239 --> 02:37:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Mule he, says.

3134
02:37:53.680 --> 02:37:59.239
<v Speaker 7>He, Thought do you remember me telling them nobody was even?

3135
02:38:00.040 --> 02:38:03.040
<v Speaker 7>BIRTHDAY i can.

3136
02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:06.959
<v Speaker 2>There it really explains a.

3137
02:38:07.000 --> 02:38:12.360
<v Speaker 6>Lot so the mule wow for, you, right, yeah because

3138
02:38:12.479 --> 02:38:15.680
<v Speaker 6>who else would would you be talking to the mule and.

3139
02:38:15.760 --> 02:38:19.200
<v Speaker 7>Not the nicest, word, Right and this was two thousand and.

3140
02:38:19.319 --> 02:38:19.959
<v Speaker 7>Nine that's WHAT i.

3141
02:38:19.959 --> 02:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Want when the book came.

3142
02:38:20.879 --> 02:38:26.319
<v Speaker 7>Out so now you can tell were, Thinking so that's

3143
02:38:26.319 --> 02:38:26.719
<v Speaker 7>the end of.

3144
02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Time that is what he was thinking at the.

3145
02:38:29.680 --> 02:38:29.879
<v Speaker 5>Time.

3146
02:38:29.959 --> 02:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow the guy sits there and just, says, mule, mule

3147
02:38:33.280 --> 02:38:36.559
<v Speaker 2>mule to. Himself was that All Danny brower was To Hull,

3148
02:38:36.639 --> 02:38:40.600
<v Speaker 2>cogan was that All tampa was To Hull cogan. Brother

3149
02:38:40.920 --> 02:38:44.559
<v Speaker 2>that that would be another ten years away again starting

3150
02:38:44.600 --> 02:38:46.879
<v Speaker 2>in the summer of eighty, nine and we'll get there

3151
02:38:46.920 --> 02:38:49.520
<v Speaker 2>one day on the Complete Hull, Cogan but for, now

3152
02:38:50.079 --> 02:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>we put a final definitive pin In tampa as far

3153
02:38:52.760 --> 02:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>As Terry boley is, concerned because this is the last

3154
02:38:55.959 --> 02:39:00.040
<v Speaker 2>time he'll return home known more by his birth. Name for,

3155
02:39:00.200 --> 02:39:02.600
<v Speaker 2>now it's on To Georgia Championship wrestling and then The

3156
02:39:02.639 --> 02:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Worldwide Wrestling federation of THE, wwf and from his childhood

3157
02:39:06.399 --> 02:39:09.920
<v Speaker 2>home to every corner of the. Globe they wouldn't call

3158
02:39:09.959 --> 02:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Him Terry boulder Or Terry bolea. Anymore they'd call Him Hull.

3159
02:39:14.000 --> 02:39:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Cogan no longer sitting on the docks Of Tampa. Bay

3160
02:39:18.040 --> 02:39:20.719
<v Speaker 2>no longer sitting on the docks Of Tampa. Bay and you, Know,

3161
02:39:20.879 --> 02:39:25.399
<v Speaker 2>BOZZ i guess, unfortunately all will really ever have to

3162
02:39:25.520 --> 02:39:29.760
<v Speaker 2>color in these Final tampa, moments these final moments in

3163
02:39:29.840 --> 02:39:32.879
<v Speaker 2>the city that Reared, terry as we have illustrated over

3164
02:39:32.920 --> 02:39:35.639
<v Speaker 2>the weeks here on The Complete Hull, cogan all we'll

3165
02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>really ever have is understand this low key part Of

3166
02:39:39.280 --> 02:39:43.639
<v Speaker 2>terry's life was Those facebook. Posts remember for, Sure Billy johnson. Earlier, sure,

3167
02:39:44.000 --> 02:39:45.959
<v Speaker 2>sure that's just what we're going to, HAVE i, guess

3168
02:39:46.559 --> 02:39:49.600
<v Speaker 2>to get these fleeting glimpses of the final contributions Of

3169
02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:54.760
<v Speaker 2>tampa to what would become Hul. Cogan that would be

3170
02:39:54.840 --> 02:40:05.879
<v Speaker 2>all we have unless Hello billy, Speaking Hi Billy, Johnson, yes,

3171
02:40:05.959 --> 02:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>sir next time on The Complete Hull.

3172
02:40:10.040 --> 02:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Cochinson as A Tej disantis, production its content is intended

3173
02:40:16.399 --> 02:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>for private use.

3174
02:40:17.280 --> 02:40:17.520
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