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Speaker 2: We can't on the Complete Hull Cogan leave Tampa too
Speaker 2: far behind at any given point, can we? Because Ull
Speaker 2: Cogan never did until the day he died. He was
Speaker 2: a Tampa man through and through.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: You didn't know anything about the guy. You knew that
Speaker 2: he was from Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean despite being from Venice Beach, right,
Speaker 3: you knew he was from Tampa.
Speaker 2: He sort of wore it on his sleeve, even though
Speaker 2: he didn't have sleeves most of the time. And so
Speaker 2: it's the summer of seventy nine here on the Complete
Speaker 2: Hull cogin a far cry from the summer of sixty
Speaker 2: nine when Terry was banging the base in Infinity's End
Speaker 2: and on the Strobe lights back then. For Infinity's End
Speaker 2: was Terry's childhood pal Danny Brower, who you may have
Speaker 2: you may remember hearing from the taal end of our
Speaker 2: last episode out in the Skyway Bridge, Remember that guy
Speaker 2: thinking about suicide? Yes, yes, his name's Danny Brower, or,
Speaker 2: as we'd like to call him, the Tampa friend Hogan
Speaker 2: never named, yes or well, Terry once called him the
Speaker 2: mule who he introduced you to. There he was contemplating
Speaker 2: ending it all on Tampa's iconic Skyway Bridge, only to
Speaker 2: wake up, drive home, and be foisted upon by a
Speaker 2: young Terry Boleya and Ed Leslie, suddenly encouraging him to
Speaker 2: get up, get in shape, and pump iron with them.
Speaker 2: More on Danny Brower much later, as we return one
Speaker 2: last time on the Complete Hulkgan to where it all
Speaker 2: started for Terry Boleya, Tampa and the life on the
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Speaker 3: have Mondays and tuesdays off from the show.
Speaker 4: But I'm not.
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Speaker 2: people who announced his shows, like Great Michael Saint John
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Speaker 3: Oh god, that's It's like, do we have to.
Speaker 2: Do this again? Do we have to pretend like they're
Speaker 2: putting on a card that feels like a WrestleMania again?
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Speaker 3: on a card that needs to be put together as
Speaker 3: if like there's just you know, oh my god, these
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Speaker 2: No, no, it's going to be Roman and Punk for
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess at least Punk gets his
Speaker 3: real main event.
Speaker 2: Yes, so, yeah, he's not going to admit it because
Speaker 2: that would because he rolled over last year and claimed
Speaker 2: Night one was the real one. Yeah, but here we are.
Speaker 2: This is what he said he left for back when
Speaker 2: working Undertaker wasn't enough underneath the scene of rock.
Speaker 3: So so well, okay, that's great man, Glad you're getting
Speaker 3: your your thing. I'm glad. I'm glad you're I'm glad you.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's so funny. What's so funny about it
Speaker 3: is that they keep just missing with it, you know,
Speaker 3: they they they Paul doesn't want to give it to
Speaker 3: him one hundred percent. He gave him the fake one
Speaker 3: last year, you know, the Night one main event, which
Speaker 3: is like you know, that's the that's like leading into
Speaker 3: the intermission, all right, that's that's Act one like nobody.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't see a punk goes through this
Speaker 2: comeback and doesn't win the rumble. Like that tells you something, right,
Speaker 2: because everyone knows that's the trigger to pull and it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. He's not gonna win the rumble, right, He's
Speaker 2: not gonna win the rumble. But then also the fact
Speaker 2: that like he's main eventing Night two with Roman Reigns, which, hell,
Speaker 2: that's it. That's the main event right there. But for
Speaker 2: the for the crappy belt, for the fake belt. Now,
Speaker 2: I guess we're just marks for calling it that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well obviously, because you know it looks like a
Speaker 3: fucking piece of plastic that my mom put together.
Speaker 2: So I look forward to that coming up as well
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Speaker 2: But we're here to pick up the ball from the
Speaker 2: complete hull Coogan. And when we last left you, he
Speaker 2: was done again with wrestling. He left Memphis. He said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going back to Tampa in other places,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to work the docks. And so we
Speaker 2: decided on the journey. Too funny enough in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, he'd work the rock Yeah, no, realm, that's true.
Speaker 2: Do you smell what the docks are cooking? We're about
Speaker 2: to find out. I mean, you know, the only oh god,
Speaker 2: the only time he worked the docks harder was when
Speaker 2: he was looking for steroids and there's a whore and deal. Okay, precisely.
Speaker 2: So we decided to devote an episode to trying to
Speaker 2: basically figure out what the fuck he was talking about
Speaker 2: in his book and over the years about working on
Speaker 2: the docks. We've already touched on a lot of this material,
Speaker 2: trying to thread it through, you know, his coming up
Speaker 2: in the world and getting acquainted in the business and
Speaker 2: taking I guess what you could call odd jobs. You know,
Speaker 2: he got he got on the union as a laborer
Speaker 2: with his buddy Anthony Borcello, who was the singer of.
Speaker 3: Rockets gets, he gets a he gets this is this
Speaker 3: is when he works a union.
Speaker 2: Huh, that's when he works a union. Yeah, as opposed
Speaker 2: to later I'm not a big fan of unions, you know,
Speaker 2: in a few years, but definitely at this point he's
Speaker 2: totally fine with it. That's cool. Yeah, yess, exactly right.
Speaker 2: And and It's kind of confusing because there's him working
Speaker 2: as a laborer and you know, digging ditches in the
Speaker 2: mall in Tampa that we talked about is a little
Speaker 2: different than the job he did on the actual docks
Speaker 2: where he was. I don't know. He seemed to have
Speaker 2: a few different jobs, some of which seemed incredibly physically
Speaker 2: laborious and others which didn't. So the timeline is one
Speaker 2: thing that's especially confusing, to say nothing of the geography,
Speaker 2: because he talks in his book about leaving Memphis and
Speaker 2: going back to Tampa and working the docks. But we're
Speaker 2: about to convey some material to you that that exists
Speaker 2: on Facebook from people who recall working and one gentleman
Speaker 2: in particular who calls working with Terry Bully on the docks.
Speaker 2: And it was in Fort Pierce, which, as far as
Speaker 2: I can tell, is on the completely different side of Florida,
Speaker 2: much closer on the east coast of Florida to Cocoa Beach,
Speaker 2: which puts us in seventy eight when he was over there,
Speaker 2: rather than all the way over on the west side
Speaker 2: of Florida. The other the other Coco be the other
Speaker 2: Coco Bee. Yeah, Cocoa beach where.
Speaker 3: Sounds like Coco beach ware. That's what you that's what
Speaker 3: you guess what Coco wear is when he goes to
Speaker 3: the beach.
Speaker 2: He was very nice afterwards, thanking us for the interview
Speaker 2: and stuff. I mean, what a wow. He took us
Speaker 2: to places you were just like Coco. I, I couldn't
Speaker 2: find your figure for a long time. Stop crying, love
Speaker 2: you man.
Speaker 4: That was that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I it's kind of you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's funny. It's so stupid when you really think about,
Speaker 3: like that's that's the only thing I could come to
Speaker 3: to like try to get him to stop crying.
Speaker 2: Try and we're just reaching, Oh my god, let him
Speaker 2: get his bearings, you know, talk.
Speaker 3: About like you know how I couldn't which is I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: it's a completely true story. It's all true, totally all true.
Speaker 3: But it's so funny, like you know.
Speaker 2: Everybody got off and everybody got down on that one
Speaker 2: as part of everyone got way down on that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's amazing, man.
Speaker 2: You know, just the guys you rode with like they're
Speaker 2: they're staring down, you know, a pretty scary cliff right now.
Speaker 2: You know, when you start losing guys and it's like
Speaker 2: and you're like the last of the true brothers you
Speaker 2: felt like you had in the wrestling business. That's a
Speaker 2: lot more guys from the Golden era are in that
Speaker 2: position that I think we take the time to appreciate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people who could very
Speaker 2: easily work themselves into a similar lather around, you know,
Speaker 2: just where they are now and where the people that
Speaker 2: they you know, considered part and parcel of who they
Speaker 2: were who they met in the wrestling business are gone.
Speaker 2: And it's not just tragedy, you know. Now it's just
Speaker 2: old age. And that's a much different proposition.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of that. That is the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's not just it's not just all the
Speaker 3: that's not just I can avoid those pitfalls, you know.
Speaker 3: It's it's getting the point where your your numbers coming up,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's unavoidable now. You know, you're you're
Speaker 3: you're You're not I just hope you have number thirty.
Speaker 3: You're not in exactly, You're not an exception anymore right
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: It is just luck of the draw.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, one of many I think threads we will
Speaker 2: continue to pull as the complete hull coga and unfurls
Speaker 2: for however long it takes here is indeed, but the
Speaker 2: so the timelines are a little confusing as well as
Speaker 2: the geography, because it seems like what he's saying is
Speaker 2: he basically went and took jobs on the docks, which
Speaker 2: you know, when you're in the union, you check in,
Speaker 2: you check out. It's not like it's like you're expected
Speaker 2: to report to work five days a week or else
Speaker 2: you get fired. You kind of just take jobs when
Speaker 2: they're available. You show up at the hall and you
Speaker 2: kind of say, all right, I'll take the next you know,
Speaker 2: there's a big boat coming into port that needs to
Speaker 2: be unloaded. I'm here for this time period. I'll take
Speaker 2: the job and make the quick bucks. And it's good.
Speaker 2: It's good money. It's very good money because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of backbreaking work and tough work, especially in the
Speaker 2: hot Florida sun. But I think, like so many things
Speaker 2: about his earliest years, it's you crave this sort of
Speaker 2: neat arrangement of this happened here, and then this happened,
Speaker 2: and then this happened here, and it all blends together,
Speaker 2: especially his stints on the docks, I think he was
Speaker 2: there in seventy eight when he was taking a year
Speaker 2: off the business in Cocoa Beach, you know, running the
Speaker 2: gym and the bar. And I think in seventy nine
Speaker 2: he goes to the port in Tampa more so than
Speaker 2: the the Fort Pierce Port, which is on the other
Speaker 2: side of Florida. So it's not like there was just
Speaker 2: this one I don't think there's this one discreete little
Speaker 2: window where we can say this is where he went
Speaker 2: to the docks and then he came back to wrestling, right.
Speaker 2: But we're going to do our best to sort of
Speaker 2: triangulate what he said about when he did this kind
Speaker 2: of work, what others said about when he did this
Speaker 2: kind of work, and see what we come up with.
Speaker 2: And you know, we heard from Anthony Borcello, from our
Speaker 2: friend Brad Blucian, who we want to remind you, of course,
Speaker 2: that he's offering you know, special gut to members of
Speaker 2: the Solar System who sign up for his brad Pack
Speaker 2: Patreon and as part of his great book The six Pack,
Speaker 2: he interviewed all kinds of people from Terry's past and
Speaker 2: in cooperation with TLF and the Complete Hulk Cogan sharing
Speaker 2: exclusive audio of the conversations he had and putting that
Speaker 2: book together. One of them is with Anthony Borcello from
Speaker 2: Terry's past, again the lead singer of Rucus, and he
Speaker 2: was someone whose father was involved in the Labor's Union
Speaker 2: in Tampa, and as we talked about, got Hogan involved
Speaker 2: in doing that kind of work. It seems like if
Speaker 2: Anthony Barcello has it right, well, I'm sure he has
Speaker 2: it right as it regards his role in getting Hulk
Speaker 2: involved in the Long Shorman's Union side of it, which
Speaker 2: is a different deal. But as far as who set
Speaker 2: Hogan up, it wasn't Anthony Barcello, And it seems like
Speaker 2: Hulk in his book says that Borcello set him up
Speaker 2: both in the laborers Union and working the docks, but
Speaker 2: those are two separate and distinct things. Borsello told Brad
Speaker 2: Bluccian that was actually a guy named Gary Devrend who
Speaker 2: was also involved in Rucus and some of Hulkogan's bands
Speaker 2: coming up, who later on went on to become a
Speaker 2: significant kind of like a big wig in the Florida
Speaker 2: area port unions, one of like the top two or
Speaker 2: three guys. It looks like in the Long Shoreman's Union
Speaker 2: or I think it's called the ILU or something like that.
Speaker 2: Whatever is the International Longshoreman's Union. And let's just say
Speaker 2: this guy is not taking calls. Okay, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: we did all the work we could to try to
Speaker 2: find Gary de wrend and see if he'd be willing
Speaker 2: to reflect, even though he's very clearly out there as
Speaker 2: a big hot shot union guy, not someone that we
Speaker 2: were raised but Ford it's worth Barcelo says, Gary de
Speaker 2: Wrenn was the one to set hoking up on the docks,
Speaker 2: and he was the one who set him up as
Speaker 2: a laborer, and so that's just that's a distinction worth making.
Speaker 2: We go to a Facebook post that was published shortly
Speaker 2: after Terry passed away on a Facebook group called the
Speaker 2: Fort Pierce Connection. Now, Fort Pierce are the docks on
Speaker 2: the west side of Florida, nearer to a pardon me,
Speaker 2: on the east side of Florida, nearer to Cocoa Beach
Speaker 2: than Tampa that Hogan also apparently worked on. Because in
Speaker 2: this post, which actually it kind of resurfaced after Hogan's passing,
Speaker 2: but the initial post states all the way back to
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, a guy by the name of Billy Johnson
Speaker 2: out of Tampa wrote the following, I used to work
Speaker 2: with a guy in Fort Pierce at the port. You
Speaker 2: know him as Hulk Hogan. Wow, I used to work
Speaker 2: for Coastal Steve Doring. I did not know him as
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan in these days. He was a checker for
Speaker 2: goods coming in the port. Back then, a checker. Hulk
Speaker 2: was a checker who check things.
Speaker 3: He would check things. Apparently that's where we're at checker.
Speaker 2: We looked at one of his checks from Jarrett Goulas.
Speaker 2: Most of the cargo Billy Wrights was oranges and grapefruits
Speaker 2: being exported. We handled.
Speaker 3: I should fuck it. It's just fucking hilarious to me.
Speaker 3: Hulk candling fruit, Hulk checking fruit. Our brother won't got here, dude, grapefruits.
Speaker 3: We'll got, well, got grapefruits. Brother, we talk about I
Speaker 3: don't know, well I got it. Well, I got it,
Speaker 3: I got you know, I got big ass grapefruits.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: What what.
Speaker 3: Are we exporting your grapefruits?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 2: Well, I export them all the time. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: at least the insides. So what you're saying is this
Speaker 2: isn't the only time Hulk was accused of handling grapefruits,
Speaker 2: apparently not making sure that they were appropriately accounted for.
Speaker 2: Oh god. He writes, we handled for export vegetables for
Speaker 2: American Foods, a company called American Foods. I knew him
Speaker 2: as Terry Balayam. He was a really nice guy. We
Speaker 2: followed his career when he started in Tampa. I started
Speaker 2: with the company in nineteen seventy nine, so that puts
Speaker 2: us in seventy nine. And there's some you know, people
Speaker 2: who follow up, and he says, I worked every with him.
Speaker 2: He was just a big bodybuilder. Then for lunch he
Speaker 2: drank these nasty shakes, Oh my god, and about five
Speaker 2: pounds of grapes. Oh. Someone says, grapes nature's candy. Are
Speaker 2: they bodybuilding food? Billy responds, he said the grapes made
Speaker 2: his skin thin, so his muscle would make his veins show.
Speaker 2: Wait what, the woman responds, I just googled it. I
Speaker 2: didn't know grapes were a natural blood thinner. Interesting, Billy responds,
Speaker 2: wine is a blood thinner. Okay, so did you know that, boss,
Speaker 2: If you want that vascularity to show, you hit the grapes.
Speaker 2: I did not know it. No wonder. Coco remembers them
Speaker 2: loading up on fruit primarily hit the road in the
Speaker 2: green and wild to think about, Yeah, especially a guy
Speaker 2: Jesus who's you know, as big as he is, and
Speaker 2: everyone kind of pegs as someone chasing apparently mister Universe,
Speaker 2: which I never really heard him try to pursue mister Universe.
Speaker 2: That seems so wild to me. That seems wild to me,
Speaker 2: given you know, I mean, are they sure they're not
Speaker 2: are they sure they're not getting the Hulks confused? Well,
Speaker 2: perhaps Hulk went for a different Hulk win for mister
Speaker 2: Universe too, But you know what possibility I like to entertain. Boss, Yes,
Speaker 2: that Hulk is embarrassed to tell his fellow dog workers
Speaker 2: that he's trying to become a wrestler. Oh oh absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's more respectable to say you're trying to become mister Universe. Yep, yep,
Speaker 2: I mean listen, I can, I can, I can see that.
Speaker 2: You know that goes absolutely. How many people have you
Speaker 2: told on your show that you do a podcast about sports? Well,
Speaker 2: you know what, you know what, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: tell you that. Okay, so I mentioned this before, it
Speaker 2: hasn't come up and he hadn't come up at all. Okay,
Speaker 2: but the.
Speaker 3: Other day in between during during a show intermission, I'm
Speaker 3: backstage and I'm talking with somebody. I forget what we're
Speaker 3: just talking about, you know, like what we do on
Speaker 3: our on our days off from from doing the show.
Speaker 3: And she was like, you know what what do you
Speaker 3: you know? Do you have a do you have a
Speaker 3: do you have a steady job? I said, yeah, yeah, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 3: What what is it? I did do a podcast?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: How am I just hearing of this? I said, well,
Speaker 3: you'll get it in a second. I see, because I
Speaker 3: don't because it's embarrassing. And then Sprina Carpenter's man Child
Speaker 3: started playing on the exactly right, and then it comes
Speaker 3: out and I'm like, you know, and then and then yeah,
Speaker 3: because it's it's about professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm serious. That was not the worst.
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't give that response.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I will say, most people they're nice because you know
Speaker 3: what they can What they respect is not that it's
Speaker 3: a podcast about wrestling. What they respect is that is
Speaker 3: that we've created our own work.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what people respect regardless, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: That is the one. That's the one kind of thing
Speaker 3: that I can get away with in in my in
Speaker 3: in my occupation is that I can always people can
Speaker 3: always see it as oh wow, like because you know,
Speaker 3: if you're it's hard. It's hard to create your own
Speaker 3: work at a certain level and expect to to to
Speaker 3: be able to live off of it to a degree,
Speaker 3: you know, and and you know, and that's and that's
Speaker 3: part of it is that you know, to have that
Speaker 3: kind of consistent work doing something that you love and
Speaker 3: doing something that is your own. It's like, that's that's
Speaker 3: just that's the dream. Honestly, it's the dream. And and
Speaker 3: so that's what I can get. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think you can get that. And
Speaker 3: your side of the of the coin, yeah for se well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it is nice to have the appreciation of, like,
Speaker 2: you know, people understand what it takes to people in
Speaker 2: performing arts, understands what it would take to create something
Speaker 2: whole cloth that you could then claim is your gig.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh yeah, yeah, you're kind of a self
Speaker 2: perpetuating thing. Yeah yeah, so yeah, but yeah, I choose
Speaker 2: to believe that Terry just didn't want to tell his
Speaker 2: brothers on the docks that he was trying to become
Speaker 2: a rum. All about it. I love it. I love
Speaker 2: that way better the way discussion continues. This is subsequent
Speaker 2: to Hogan's passing. Billy Johnson takes to Facebook again with
Speaker 2: sad news. He writes, Hulk Hogan passed away. You know
Speaker 2: him from his wrestling career and Rocky movie. He was
Speaker 2: born Augusta, Georgia, nineteen fifth. His family moved Tampa, Florida,
Speaker 2: where he grew up. He was born Terrence Jean Blea.
Speaker 2: I worked with him here in Fort Pierce. I started
Speaker 2: working with him in nineteen seventy eight, so that puts
Speaker 2: us in seventy eight and seventy nine here. As far
Speaker 2: as rememberssing him working on the docks very interesting. We
Speaker 2: worked in the port here for Coastal Steve Doring. Billy
Speaker 2: writes he was a real fun guy to work with.
Speaker 2: We all called him Terry at the time. He was
Speaker 2: in the gym every day for lunch. He ate seven
Speaker 2: pounds of grapes and drank the most nasty smelling drinks.
Speaker 2: I remember the first day I met him, My boss
Speaker 2: Bruce Brennan, took me around to meet everyone. When we
Speaker 2: walked up to him, I asked, Bruce, who is this
Speaker 2: And he was super big back then. He was training
Speaker 2: for Mister Universe at the time. Wow, And my boss said, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's Terry. He does whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: Little did he know, Yeah, he does do whatever he wants. Apparently,
Speaker 3: of course, I forgot to mention my boss, Bruce was
Speaker 3: about five to three. We went to Christmas parties together.
Speaker 3: All of us guys at the port rooted for Terry.
Speaker 3: We couldn't believe he was going to be a professional wrestler.
Speaker 3: I will miss good friend Terry. Yeah, and you couldn't
Speaker 3: believe it. And you know, he probably sat there, you know, saying,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is this guy doing with himself?
Speaker 2: I'm just endlessly fascinated by these people who met this guy.
Speaker 2: And of course he loved a big impression. He's a
Speaker 2: massive guy, but he hadn't hit it big as a wrestler.
Speaker 2: And then we're sitting there across the country, across the world,
Speaker 2: in fact, glued to our televisions watching this guy do
Speaker 2: his thing, putting us in the position we're in today
Speaker 2: as hulka maniacs, you know, striving to understand and revisit
Speaker 2: those times, and there are people who remember, this guy
Speaker 2: is just that huge motherfucker. Oh that's that's the best
Speaker 2: part carry from Tampa. That's who they see.
Speaker 3: That is the absolute best part of it all is
Speaker 3: the idea that there is to think about being one
Speaker 3: of those people who just like they they knew him
Speaker 3: as a person, they knew him as a human being
Speaker 3: right to a degree. Yes, like we will never could
Speaker 3: never have that, that opportunity, have that whatever, because it
Speaker 3: is such like we couldn't have. We wouldn't we you know,
Speaker 3: we would have been born and lived in Tampa to
Speaker 3: experience that. And so it's such a bizarre thing to consider.
Speaker 2: And I would say uniquely bizarre too. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: the wrestlers. I mean there are people who knew Arnold
Speaker 2: Swarzenegger before pumping Iron, but he was still Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 2: That was his name right right right now, these guys
Speaker 2: on the docks and Fort Pierce are being asked to
Speaker 2: remember Terry Bolea as Hulk Hogan. You know, they're being
Speaker 2: asked to recontextualize this guy. It's just got to be
Speaker 2: such a trip. It's almost like like Madonna or Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: Sure people here knew them before they took on a
Speaker 2: stage name in presence, but it's it's a unique phenomenon,
Speaker 2: to say the least. Later on, Billy posts a picture
Speaker 2: of just some trucks moving around the yard somewhere, says,
Speaker 2: I took this pish for nineteen seventy nine. I was
Speaker 2: inside of a ship that had its nose of the
Speaker 2: bow raised up. I was a shipping agent for Coastal
Speaker 2: Steve Dooring. Back then, we were loading the materials to
Speaker 2: build the electric power plant in I think he says
Speaker 2: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are meant to write Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Speaker 2: The generator alone weighs one hundred and seventy five tons alone.
Speaker 2: If you look to the west, you can see the
Speaker 2: seventh Street water tower that used to be the used
Speaker 2: to be to the west of there. One of the
Speaker 2: Union checkers that was on this job was Terry Bolea.
Speaker 2: Do you know him today as Hulk Hogan. There used
Speaker 2: to be a lot of ships that came in the
Speaker 2: port of Fort Pierce back then, and indeed there was,
Speaker 2: and Fort Pierce has some connection to Hulk Cogan. If
Speaker 2: you remember all the way back to when we cover
Speaker 2: his first few months in the business in Florida in
Speaker 2: seventy seven as Super Destroyer. His first documented match and
Speaker 2: most career histories you'll find of the man was in
Speaker 2: fact in Fort Pierce was the match when he wrestled
Speaker 2: Don Serrano as a late replacement. According to the newspaper
Speaker 2: clippings we conveyed on that episode, and even further, I
Speaker 2: found an article in eighty five and the Tampa Tribune
Speaker 2: after he hit it, Big Jack Briscoe remembers his first
Speaker 2: match ever at Fort Pierce. Of course, Brian Blair doesn't
Speaker 2: remember that he was, apparently on the card. He remembers
Speaker 2: being his match with Terry Bully and Hulk's first time ever.
Speaker 5: In the right.
Speaker 3: Of course, I would tell everyone that myself it was.
Speaker 3: I would tell myself that, Yeah, exactly, I would. I listen.
Speaker 3: I would have been telling myself that for the last
Speaker 3: forty years. So it's a busy time at the port.
Speaker 3: A quick article here from the Miami Herald from seventy eight
Speaker 3: and around the time a Hulk would have been over there.
Speaker 3: August of seventy eight, a major step and the rebirth
Speaker 3: of the Port of Fort Pierce will be completed by November,
Speaker 3: when four hundred foot ships began docking at a rebuilt
Speaker 3: freight terminal on the Indian River. Citrus ex spoker Bernardi
Speaker 3: get announced Thursday about forty freighters hauling eighty million pounds
Speaker 3: of Indian River citrus to Europe and Japan or expect
Speaker 3: to call at Fort Pierceport in the first season of shipping,
Speaker 3: he said. George Krikovich, president of Coastal Steve Doring that's
Speaker 3: the company, said the citrus activity will provide jobs for
Speaker 3: about one hundred and fifty Steve Doors hul Cogan among them,
Speaker 3: perhaps Boss hul Cogan among them. Perhaps I would imagine
Speaker 3: many of whom were local men who worked out of
Speaker 3: Port Canaveral in past seasons, and Port Canaveral, as we
Speaker 3: talked about, it's even closer to Cocoa Beach, where Hope
Speaker 3: would have been at the time. Quote we expected to
Speaker 3: be a major port in the very near future, Egan said.
Speaker 3: Most citrus that leaves Florida by ship now is handled
Speaker 3: through Tampa and Port Canaveral, So there's the connective tissue
Speaker 3: with Tampa perhaps following the citrus around those Florida oranges.
Speaker 3: Brother and that's Oh my god, he got so into
Speaker 3: it as his kin turned orange. I cannot handle this shit.
Speaker 2: Huh. You picture like tropic and orange juice, like that
Speaker 2: whole supply chain. That's terry marking whether boxes contain the
Speaker 2: appropriate volume at the port. Tremendous reconstruction of the forty
Speaker 2: four year old Indian River Refrigeration Center was delayed by
Speaker 2: about the seven months, Eakin said, because of the February
Speaker 2: fire that gutted the building. According to Dick Reid, executive
Speaker 2: vice president of the local Chamber of Commerce, rebuilding of
Speaker 2: the terminal is a significant step toward revitalization of the
Speaker 2: port and lowering the Fort Pierce unemployment rate of nine
Speaker 2: point three percent, and that's quite high. Jim Shehan, president
Speaker 2: of First National Bank, normal, I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 2: used to hearing it broken down by like city like that,
Speaker 2: but I would say, like three four ten, ten seems.
Speaker 2: But I don't know where we were at in seventy eighty.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of economic turmoil in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Jim Sheen, president of First National Bank, predicted that even
Speaker 2: in its early stages, the terminal would have a beneficial
Speaker 2: ripple effect on the local economy because the incoming ships
Speaker 2: will need repairs, fuel, and supplies. First National Bank is
Speaker 2: financing the project, Egan said. She and as president of
Speaker 2: the Local GOO Team Economic Development Committee, has helped coordinate
Speaker 2: the port revitalization project. The main port facility, operated under
Speaker 2: the name of Indian River Terminal Company, Egan said, will
Speaker 2: be a refrigerator. It did one hundred by three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty foot terminal capable of handling general cargo as
Speaker 2: well as citrus. The company hopes to attract general cargo,
Speaker 2: imports and exports, and perhaps even passengers, Egan and she
Speaker 2: had said. Also she had said several companies have expressed
Speaker 2: interest in opening plants in Fort Pierce when the port
Speaker 2: becomes available. The port conservice ships drawing up to twenty
Speaker 2: five feet of water. Egan said the terminal company would
Speaker 2: exert every effort we can to get the ship channel
Speaker 2: deepened to forty feet, a project now under study by
Speaker 2: the US Army Corps of Engineers. Egan would not say
Speaker 2: how much the project will cost. Last fall, however, he
Speaker 2: applied for a two point one two five million dollars
Speaker 2: Farmer's Home Administration loan to rebuild the terminal that loan
Speaker 2: application has been stalled, he said, since the February fire
Speaker 2: that caused an estimated six hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: of damage to the building. So Hogan came in after
Speaker 2: the flames. He emerged as the port did from the flames. Wow,
Speaker 2: and this is a you know, before hul Cogan was
Speaker 2: an export to Japan, which we're getting to like eighty one,
Speaker 2: he was an export fruits to Japan, So he's always
Speaker 2: an exports. Krikovich said existing port activity is slight, limited
Speaker 2: mainly to a few shiploads of sand each year to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas. Okay, yeah, they're sending sand from Florida to
Speaker 2: the Bahamas.
Speaker 3: To the Bahamas, they have enough sand, Yeah right, don't
Speaker 3: they fucking of all the things they need?
Speaker 2: Imported sand sand? That seems okay whatever, Yeah, you say, Sopal.
Speaker 2: The last citrus exports were to Europe in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2: He said. The port was most active from the early
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties through World War Two, Krikovich said. She said
Speaker 2: port activity died from a lack of willingness to promote
Speaker 2: and modernize the facilities. Mayor Buell Brown said that although
Speaker 2: the port is in an ideal location because of its
Speaker 2: proximity to the citrus industry and easy access from the
Speaker 2: Atlantic Ocean. The port has waited until now for a
Speaker 2: cooperative effort to reactivate it. After wreckage from the February
Speaker 2: fire was cleaned up, actual reconstruction of the terminal began
Speaker 2: in early July, Krikovich said. Egan said the completed terminal
Speaker 2: will be a modern facility comparable to any other, to
Speaker 2: any and other major ports. We are making every effort
Speaker 2: to make this facility something that the city of Fort
Speaker 2: Pierce will be proud of. The outside surface of the
Speaker 2: building will be white paneled aluminum, he said, applied over
Speaker 2: eight inches of insulation. So big doings, big doings in
Speaker 2: Fort Pierce, and our hero is going to click right
Speaker 2: into that. Well, we were going to turn to Hulk
Speaker 2: Cogan's volumes to try to discern what we can about
Speaker 2: all this docks shit. And uh, I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: identifying law enforcement's address. I mean, I'm talking that's another
Speaker 2: docks you would be particularly concerned with. As the years
Speaker 2: when the docks and me, brother, what on the dis ox?
Speaker 2: You call them the dis ox? Absolutely, he did, come on,
Speaker 2: I really think he did. Brother, I'm working on the
Speaker 2: dess Ox, dude, Lizong Shorman locked, I was thinking of
Speaker 2: this businessness. Brother, let's go back to the Diz. Got
Speaker 2: to book. Those the fans, those brothers, Stone Cold, Steve, Door, Austin.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest about it, right, I mean, you're first coming. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I actually proud of that one. So this is book
Speaker 2: number one, and how he talks about the docks. He's
Speaker 2: a chapter called the docs. The you mean the accurate one,
Speaker 2: the good doc. The accurate doc was George and Harry.
Speaker 2: And let's be clear about that. But we're going to
Speaker 2: try to, you know, as has become our custom on
Speaker 2: the complete Hull Cooke and compare and contrast uh the
Speaker 2: different versions in his two books and see if we
Speaker 2: can't come out somewhere in the middle. But this is
Speaker 2: important because if you remember, way back when we did
Speaker 2: our Terry Funk tribute, the Funk in trying to assign
Speaker 2: all the different massively important wrestlers that Terry Funk had
Speaker 2: an important hand in guiding their careers, if not outright
Speaker 2: making them as pro wrestlers. Hulk gave a very curious
Speaker 2: shout out to Terry Funk in his first book for
Speaker 2: being the one to physically come to the docks, having
Speaker 2: found out that this Terry Boulder, with all the promise
Speaker 2: that he had had given up on wrestling and convinced
Speaker 2: him right there on the docks to get back into
Speaker 2: the wrestling business. Hulk himself fingered Terry Funk for that job. Terry,
Speaker 2: of course never mentioned it, never took credit for it,
Speaker 2: probably because it didn't happen. But for some reason, Hulk
Speaker 2: decided to cast Terry Funk in that role as opposed
Speaker 2: to the two or three other people who he probably
Speaker 2: didn't like who actually deserve credit, which is what he
Speaker 2: tends to do a lot. So beware and be on
Speaker 2: the lookout for that little piece of the history as
Speaker 2: well as Huck here connects his time retreating to the
Speaker 2: docks with making it all the way to New York.
Speaker 3: For everyone on our little runs. I'd gone home to
Speaker 3: Tampa to wait for one of the promoters call me. Finally,
Speaker 3: one time I went home and stayed home. As far
Speaker 3: as I was concerned, I was done with professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I came back to Tapa nineteen seventy nine. I headed
Speaker 3: to the one place I knew I could make money
Speaker 3: the diz Ox of Port tis Ampa brother a few
Speaker 3: years later, when I was training with her in my
Speaker 3: suit he was earlier. Rather when I was training with
Speaker 3: hearing my suita and selling off my musical equipment and
Speaker 3: trying to make ends meet. I had a friend named
Speaker 3: Anthony Barcelo, who had been the least singer in some
Speaker 3: of the rocket in some of the rock and roll
Speaker 3: bands I played with. Anthony had a wife and a
Speaker 3: child's support, so if his band wasn't working for a week,
Speaker 3: he'd go down to the Laborers Union and earn some
Speaker 3: money that way. And Anthony told me his father had
Speaker 3: strong ties with the union, so he could get me
Speaker 3: in if I wanted. I don't have any brighter prospects
Speaker 3: at the time, so I said, Hell, yes, I like
Speaker 3: a Vat's in quotes. Hell yes, yes, well it's a
Speaker 3: direct quote, he remembers saying. Course, So Anthony Barcello got
Speaker 3: me into the Laborers Union. And the way that worked
Speaker 3: as I would go to the union hall and they
Speaker 3: would have a bunch of metal folding chairs, about fifty
Speaker 3: of them, and everyone would sit down on those chairs
Speaker 3: and wait for their number to be called they would say, hey,
Speaker 3: here's a job your one day's wizard porn. It's a
Speaker 3: minute the missle brother so, and you go to them
Speaker 3: all that day. Then you come back and sit in
Speaker 3: the union hall again. But maybe the next time your
Speaker 3: number was called, they would say, you know, okay, Turmoila,
Speaker 3: you'll six months work on a government cleanup of a
Speaker 3: phosphate of a phosphate factory. You boy, you'd be happy
Speaker 3: to get that that job because it meant steady work.
Speaker 3: So I did the labor thing for about six months,
Speaker 3: splitting my time between that and getting beaten up by
Speaker 3: Hero Matsuda. So he's getting beat up. He went back
Speaker 3: to Hero Matsuda again. I thought this was seventy nine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess it. Like so he's doing that okay. Then
Speaker 3: one day then he had guys to co down work
Speaker 3: on the twenty second Street causeway in Port Tampa. Turn
Speaker 3: out if the job was loading and unloading ships, coat
Speaker 3: and meat, root in vegetables. Enough about his stas, I
Speaker 3: don't know Planet Stasia. Enough about his grocery runs in Memphis.
Speaker 3: And once in a while they would have cars come off.
Speaker 3: I'll never get to unload the car, so it's basically
Speaker 3: hauled produce and stuff. No one, he's in the grapes, right,
Speaker 3: you get him for free, probably place it stuck a
Speaker 3: few off from himself. The job only lasted a week,
Speaker 3: but after that I became nosing around the docks again.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: He clows up.
Speaker 2: You work, brother, You work anybody and anybody needs work.
Speaker 3: You need to work, you dude, what I'm I'm union brother,
Speaker 3: I'm union all the time below of the union, unionize.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm all about, brother.
Speaker 2: Tims him Mick Foley ken shameran big show test.
Speaker 3: And the steward of the long Shoreman's Union spotted me
Speaker 3: and said, I said, saw how big I was. So
Speaker 3: he said, how did you like to be a long shoreman?
Speaker 3: I'll toart you at ten bucks an hour. And I
Speaker 3: was good money in those days. So my first day
Speaker 3: I helped unload a ship for twelve or fourteen hours,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden I was a long shortman.
Speaker 3: They got me to the union. Everything your funny thing.
Speaker 3: I was the only white guy in that union. Every
Speaker 3: day I'd be stuff alongside forty or fifty monster black guys.
Speaker 3: But the question of color never came up. Not for me,
Speaker 3: not for them. I just figured I was in a
Speaker 3: hole with a bunch of guys. Hey, Terry, do you
Speaker 3: mind if I bring up the question of color. I
Speaker 3: don't see color, brother, Well, that's kind of funny because
Speaker 3: you always get that razor blade.
Speaker 2: I'll get a good color. Only color. I see his
Speaker 2: red and green brother.
Speaker 3: Brother, that's the damn right. I just figured I was
Speaker 3: in a hole with a bunch of guys, sweating and
Speaker 3: cussing and talking trash, and I was okay because I
Speaker 3: felt lot at home, so I was unload these lives.
Speaker 3: Like remember when he was the fucking quiet little bit
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, he's all about. He's all about.
Speaker 3: He never was sweating, cussing and talking.
Speaker 2: Fras he he felt like some moments of feeling bullied
Speaker 2: and ashamed and embarrassed, but he clearly wanted. He clearly
Speaker 2: walked around most of the time, peacocking around like I
Speaker 2: think I've come to that conclusion. You know, he wasn't
Speaker 2: this big old he was an oath, but he was massive.
Speaker 2: He was yes, you know, once he figured out that
Speaker 2: the weights, which was very early, as we've already documented,
Speaker 2: uh in his life in terms of like high school,
Speaker 2: towards the talent of high school.
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 2: He had girlfriends, he was cotting up with everybody, he
Speaker 2: was relating everybody. Fucking oh, definitely, fucking I mean we
Speaker 2: established that. I mean Coco Beet was a fucking big,
Speaker 2: fucking you know Mount Session Yep, yep, just fucking fucking
Speaker 2: fucking absolutely. So I was.
Speaker 3: Unloading these ships and working as many hours I could.
Speaker 3: You know, they couldn't wear me down back then, I'll
Speaker 3: sit there and drink coffee all day long. I was
Speaker 3: so into making the money the Missoni brother. If I
Speaker 3: could make a few hundred bucks every two days, I
Speaker 3: had to stay there and work my ass off. Where
Speaker 3: most guys would want to quit after eight hours. I
Speaker 3: had a different work ethic. I was hungrier, no shit, right,
Speaker 3: especially with they're working on that produce scrapes and shakes
Speaker 3: apparently yep. And all the lifting that I was doing,
Speaker 3: my arms were getting bigger and bigger. But as much
Speaker 3: money as I was making about for about six months,
Speaker 3: I'll figure something out that the Steve Door, the guy
Speaker 3: up on the the.
Speaker 2: Lethal weapon, Steve Doring related to Danny Doring. There's no
Speaker 2: way I haven't told that joke. Yet I must have
Speaker 2: said that already.
Speaker 3: Got the Steve Door, the guy up on the deck
Speaker 3: of the ships supervising the loading, was making even more.
Speaker 3: I's got a bunch of questions, you know, just do
Speaker 3: my homework. What's going on?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 3: It's rolling with Steve Door. Is it a guy getting
Speaker 3: a push? We'll see, well Steve Bore getting pushed old
Speaker 3: of this guy? Well, you're talking to Steve Door, brother,
Speaker 3: I'm working with Steve Style, dude.
Speaker 2: Is there a more fucking TBS nineteen eighty two job
Speaker 2: rather than Steve Door? Steve dor Door his last name
Speaker 2: is d O O R. And let me tell you
Speaker 2: he got kicked down every Saturday at six o five.
Speaker 2: He didn't get the door slammed in his face. Door
Speaker 2: got slammed on his face. It's calling with Steve Door.
Speaker 7: Brother.
Speaker 2: You're talking to Steve Door. He's a guy him deck dude, right,
Speaker 2: who's on deck? Brother?
Speaker 3: But there's Suppris and Lodan brother, so he.
Speaker 2: Had supervising the load and sound like kind of like
Speaker 2: what David Shels did.
Speaker 3: With what you making up there?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 3: How you making up there? You trying to get the.
Speaker 2: No wonder a huwk felt like he was getting fucked
Speaker 2: on the pay and wrestling, and you know you could
Speaker 2: come hit the Tampa and just like walk onto a
Speaker 2: facility and make like incredible bank.
Speaker 3: Doham, Steve Door brother, I take his job, dude, Canna
Speaker 3: roll him up, brother and get it from behind you.
Speaker 3: That's what he's saying. He did. So I'm asking a
Speaker 3: bunch of questions. You would just do o homework. I
Speaker 3: found out that when ships leave the port of Tampa.
Speaker 3: I found I found found out. Imagine a note pad.
Speaker 2: Guys eight feet tall walking around the docs like trying
Speaker 2: to play low key.
Speaker 3: Picture picture picture a whole cogan. Okay, exactly. He's fucking six'.
Speaker 3: Eight he's wearing he's wearing, uh you, know tight, jeans
Speaker 3: and he's got like a denim a denim button down
Speaker 3: shirt but cut, off, oh cut, off cut off sleeves all,
Speaker 3: right and like the button's dap down to you, know
Speaker 3: right below is right right right down to his.
Speaker 2: Belly all. Right, well you know what he, is he's
Speaker 2: the whole cogun on the cover of the pile driver
Speaker 2: out exactly exactly What i'm, picturing got the hard, hat
Speaker 2: but he's walking in a fucking notepad he's walking around
Speaker 2: and keeps in his back.
Speaker 3: Pocket you, know he's trying to fucking up with what's
Speaker 3: going with The Steve. Door i'll found out when the
Speaker 3: ships leave the Poor tampa For, Singapore, Bangkok Hong, kong
Speaker 3: And tookio and there's fifty, million fifty million billion pounds
Speaker 3: of meat on. Them you have to load the ship
Speaker 3: correctly and unload it correctly because if you, don't you'll
Speaker 3: sink the. Ship so wets house. Call he was all
Speaker 3: about sinking, ships, DUDE i, means WELL'S i was confident
Speaker 3: THAT i knew WHAT i was. Doing i'll talk about
Speaker 3: The Steve doors union A. Stevedor i'll direct to the
Speaker 3: load and unloading these big ocean going. Ships i'll check
Speaker 3: boxes and stamp them so everyone knew where they were.
Speaker 3: Going AND i was really excited to be doing this
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i was making six or seven hundred bucks a.
Speaker 3: Week it was huge that. Time So i'll figured, OUT
Speaker 3: idu this for a long time BECAUSE i still hadn't
Speaker 3: been given a professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: Match, OKAY i don't know what he's talking. ABOUT i,
Speaker 2: mean he never says anywhere that he did this work
Speaker 2: Before Super. DESTROYER i, mean he's also saying it's nineteen seventy. Nine, uh,
Speaker 2: okay this job is not, easy. Folks with this, guy
Speaker 2: it's it's actually the most ambitious truth, telling truth finding
Speaker 2: mission you can go. On as far as.
Speaker 3: Wrestling there is no coherent timeline. NEVER i, mean it
Speaker 3: is all over the. Place maybe there were, Two maybe
Speaker 3: he had a twin. Brother we no one ever fucking
Speaker 3: knew about. It at this, Point i'm willing to entertain the.
Speaker 3: Possibility you. KNOW i read something not too long ago
Speaker 3: it said he had a brother Named mike who was at.
Speaker 2: Home like?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah it was that article THAT i was just
Speaker 2: reading from, earlier from eighty five In tampa Where jack
Speaker 2: brisco is interviewed about Breaking Hull cogan in and we're
Speaker 2: Calling Fort Pierce. Elsewhere in that article it, says then
Speaker 2: he has a Brother mike at. Home it's, like, okay so.
Speaker 3: There's there's A Mike blay at. Home Guess Mike. BOWLEA
Speaker 3: i was just, like, okay, Man, wow. RIDICULOUS i, MEAN
Speaker 3: i guess you're talking About, uh that would Be, david but,
Speaker 3: no it would Be. Michael it Was Horse hogan's real, Name,
Speaker 3: Michael Michael David, Carrie Kevin chris on the. Line Fritz
Speaker 3: Horse hogan's real name.
Speaker 2: Was was Was Michael so maybe uh maybe he was
Speaker 2: living there as a, nephew and they missed took her
Speaker 2: for a, son.
Speaker 3: And then came out profess my little professional one With Eddie,
Speaker 3: graham My tom And Cocoa beach with White bridges and
Speaker 3: Ed leslie and my short lived career Is Kerry bull
Speaker 3: Or Stirling. Golden but all, along WHENEVER i have Some
Speaker 3: tom in my, hands head back to the. Docks so
Speaker 3: with my wrestling career behind, me SO i, THOUGHT i
Speaker 3: returned with the docks one more, time AND i got
Speaker 3: real comfortable down there working the. Ships it was a
Speaker 3: it was a predictable, existence unlike the wrestling. Business there
Speaker 3: wasn't an uncertainty. FACTOR i did my, WORK i got,
Speaker 3: PAID i got out. IT i got out of it
Speaker 3: exactly WHAT i put. In and all of a SUDDEN
Speaker 3: i had a call my old Friend Terry. Funk, okay
Speaker 3: so not only did they get a call From Terry,
Speaker 3: funk but old Friend Terry.
Speaker 2: Funk how's, That?
Speaker 3: Terry when when did? That when when did they? When what?
Speaker 2: Exactly he? WENT i mean maybe he came Through florida
Speaker 2: in seventy. Seven, maybe but it certainly wasn't not any
Speaker 2: card that we looked at to the point where he's
Speaker 2: an old friend though, Ridiculous it's completely.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous terry was a big name in the wrestling, business
Speaker 3: a second generation wrestler who had already been A National
Speaker 3: Wrestling Alliance world, champion you, know AND i was a mark
Speaker 3: BEFORE i got into the. BUSINESS i used to chase
Speaker 3: him around and ask him questions all the. Time doesn't
Speaker 3: make you his? Friend and ALSO i wanted him to do.
Speaker 3: THAT i wanna go ahead and get a funk out of.
Speaker 2: Here where's this blond?
Speaker 3: KID i just want to ask. YOU i just wanted
Speaker 3: a couple of questions due it was like being A
Speaker 3: terry brother in the wrestling.
Speaker 2: Ring he's just. WONDERFUL i gotta, GO i, GOTTA i
Speaker 2: gotta go Find doren's to say nothing Of. Vicky vicky
Speaker 2: Thinks i'm In. Oklahoma let me ask you, something, Kid
Speaker 2: are you In? Oklahoma you?
Speaker 3: Know fucking thing like?
Speaker 2: That? Wow why AM? I? Well My oklahoma? Dud what
Speaker 2: are you talking? About? Dude what's going? On? Okay?
Speaker 3: Look did you find An oklahoma brother's five minutes if
Speaker 3: you film In? Oklahoma, dude how about what HAVE i
Speaker 3: told you? That In Dick slater's book he was very
Speaker 3: good friends With Terry, funk he says That Terry funk
Speaker 3: one time saw a wolfman costume in his store and, Said.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the wolfman. Costume we've got to get.
Speaker 2: It why you're gonna?
Speaker 6: Say?
Speaker 2: So he gets the wolfman, costume and he would walk
Speaker 2: around in the woods and try to make sudden dramatic
Speaker 2: appearances in the roadway so cars could see him in and,
Speaker 2: out so he could generate publicity for a wolfman being among. Us,
Speaker 2: OKAY i mean that's just an. Example Okay Terry. Funk, yeah,
Speaker 2: wait wait TILL i tell you The Skyway bridge.
Speaker 3: STORY i, mean this sounds like normal behavior to.
Speaker 2: Me sounds like a kind of guy, that uh would
Speaker 2: have Been Terry bulla's old friend much what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: No that? Was that was the guy that was supposed
Speaker 2: to show up for your first.
Speaker 3: Match you watched my? Matches, dude going, on, brother are
Speaker 3: you talking to?
Speaker 2: Exactly one thing that is kind of well established is
Speaker 2: That terry, Knew terry fun un knew the kind of
Speaker 2: business That hulk did For Ron fuller In alabama was
Speaker 2: under the giant got that got to. Him, yeah he
Speaker 2: knew about, that and so he knew that there was
Speaker 2: a guy who was capable of filling. Buildings that does
Speaker 2: not mean they were closely, Acquainted, no not at, all
Speaker 2: but here he. Goes, Nonetheless terry was.
Speaker 3: A big name in the wrestling business Second jenerary from
Speaker 3: wrestler who had already been A National Wrestling Alliance World
Speaker 3: Champion house Of mark BEFORE i got in the. BUSINESS
Speaker 3: i used to chase him around and ask him a
Speaker 3: lot of awesome questions all the. Time you, know most
Speaker 3: of the wrestlers were mean to me in those, days
Speaker 3: and they're trying to scare me, off But Terry funk
Speaker 3: was always nice to. Me so it's one day he
Speaker 3: came down to the dogs for us working and, said
Speaker 3: what the hell's wrong with? You what do you mean
Speaker 3: you could be the biggest star in the wrestling.
Speaker 2: Business i'm sure it's what he. Said i'm going down
Speaker 2: to the damn, Docks, jerry where's the, dogs, Bitch we're
Speaker 2: going down to the, docks son of a. Bitch chucks Up,
Speaker 2: sarpolis what EXACTLY.
Speaker 1: I?
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah one day he just would have the docs
Speaker 2: to Find. Terry that's what did you?
Speaker 3: JUST i, MEAN i just you, know JUST I I
Speaker 3: i would give. IT i would give any any fucking. Money,
Speaker 3: okay to have been in the room Where Terry funk's
Speaker 3: like kind of in the he's he's preoccupied with, something
Speaker 3: and he's like he's he's like trying to do. Something
Speaker 3: he's gonna get out of the, house whatever it. Is
Speaker 3: and someone asked him a, question What i'd love. THAT
Speaker 3: i just want to say to you, here what what
Speaker 3: what are you talking? ABOUT i gotta get out of.
Speaker 2: Here with this with his hat like so high on
Speaker 2: his head that he's about to fall, off.
Speaker 3: Fucking like my Uncle, pats.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 3: Just fucking just just lays it on his head and
Speaker 3: try to put it.
Speaker 2: On say what you will about the complete hulk. Gain
Speaker 2: but every now and THEN i find my mind drifting
Speaker 2: to thoughts of the Lapsed. Funk oh for, sure one
Speaker 2: of a kind cent of a bitch tailor To. Terry's, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: right here's the crossroads finally right. Here, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: Crazy i'm not interested in wrestler. Anymore i'll drow it
Speaker 3: two or three times. Now i'm not gonna make any
Speaker 3: money at. IT i don't jump off the top. ROPE
Speaker 3: i don't dropkick Brother aware to show. Me yeah, right
Speaker 3: we wanted, to And i'll COCAUS i can't fucking drop
Speaker 3: kick Brother.
Speaker 7: Terry.
Speaker 2: Fuck oh, Hell, terry you're gonna let that sound up a.
Speaker 2: Bit funk goes to the. Docks, hey you, actually.
Speaker 8: Fucking, dog you quit the. Business you could have been
Speaker 8: the biggest star of the damn. Business i'm gonna kick
Speaker 8: in the fucking. Balls i'm gonna throw you off the,
Speaker 8: dock your son of a. Bitch if you don't, Cut
Speaker 8: i'll tell you what it's. Like he's Like Ben affleck
Speaker 8: to Fucking Matt. Damon if you're still, Here i'm, LIKE
Speaker 8: i kick your. Ass i'm off every fucking, day every
Speaker 8: fucking des.
Speaker 2: Go, Baby.
Speaker 3: I'm not the most like a guy in the. WORLD
Speaker 3: i may look, GREAT i may have a physical, presence
Speaker 3: But i'm off this technical wrestler for The. Olympics on
Speaker 3: top of, THAT i told HIM i didn't lot the wrestling.
Speaker 3: LIFESTYLE i don't like all the drinking and the hell
Speaker 3: raised in the. Atmosphere, yeah, OKAY i just want to stay. Home,
Speaker 3: well there's this guy In New, york this promoter who
Speaker 3: heard about you when you were in The, Pensacola alabama
Speaker 3: territory and when you were In, MEMPHIS i, mean and
Speaker 3: he heard.
Speaker 1: All direct.
Speaker 3: Quotes he heard that wherever you would, wrestle the arenas
Speaker 3: would be sold, out and that the crowd really responded to,
Speaker 3: you and he wants to see. You Then Terry funk
Speaker 3: told me that this guy In New york was a
Speaker 3: good friend of his father who's also a. Promoter and
Speaker 3: this guy literally Ran Madison Square garden and his name
Speaker 3: Is vince McMahon authimistic man runs the world entertainment to.
Speaker 3: Day this Was vince's, Father vince mickmahon. Senior, really he
Speaker 3: isn't really A vincent McMahon, junior because you have to
Speaker 3: have the same middle. Name like that's how that, works, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's. Not they called they called him, junior but
Speaker 2: you wouldn't see junior on his Birth.
Speaker 3: He also couldn't Be vince nickmon. Senior it wouldn't because
Speaker 3: it wouldn't make sense to call him.
Speaker 2: That, no, RIGHT.
Speaker 3: I didn't know the, name AND i Told HERRY i
Speaker 3: sold wasn't, interested AND i figured that would be the
Speaker 3: end of. It but the next Day terry called me
Speaker 3: at home and asked me to come down to The
Speaker 3: Florida Wrestling. OFFICE i didn't want to, go BUT i
Speaker 3: couldn't say no to him WHEN i got. There, No,
Speaker 3: No WHEN i got, there it wasn't Just Terry funk
Speaker 3: waiting for. Me jack And Jerry brisco were there, too
Speaker 3: and so Was Eddie graham and his Son. Mike oh
Speaker 3: fucking give me a fucking hard time bullying me right.
Speaker 3: Away he bullied me to go To New. York BUT
Speaker 3: i didn't want to go in, here But Mike graham fucking threatened, me,
Speaker 3: dude little. Bitch Mike, Graham, yeah mid, event.
Speaker 2: Midget.
Speaker 3: Yeah they also had in this room and talked to
Speaker 3: me LIKE i could a fucking intervention going on here pretty.
Speaker 2: MUCH i, Mean.
Speaker 3: Jesus, christ, LIKE i love how all these guys want
Speaker 3: him to go work someplace. Else you, Know Terry, Funk
Speaker 3: riscoes and The grahams want. HIM i, mean even though
Speaker 3: this is a bullshit, story but even if it were,
Speaker 3: true they don't want him to make money for. Them
Speaker 3: they want him to make money for somebody.
Speaker 2: Else don't forget, though don't forget the close ties Between
Speaker 2: Eddie graham And Vince senior and how they would share
Speaker 2: talent on the. Regular so If hulk goes To New
Speaker 2: york and hits it, Big eddie's thinking on the other,
Speaker 2: Side he's coming Into florida and make some. Money you.
Speaker 3: Know they also had this room and talks to me all.
Speaker 3: Along i've thought that his wrestlers really didn't lock. Me
Speaker 3: they said that wasn't. True they were just testing me
Speaker 3: to see IF i could stick it out or kick it. Out, brother,
Speaker 3: right IF i could make it so they, say.
Speaker 2: After they realize you can actually draw, money, right they
Speaker 2: pretend that it was all a master fucking.
Speaker 3: Play i've always said that we thought That Terry belaya
Speaker 3: was a big guy who could always made. MONEY i
Speaker 3: always thought he could make, money mister. McMahon, OH i
Speaker 3: always thought he could make, money mister. McMahon HAD i
Speaker 3: started the doc SO i THOUGHT i was a you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i had caves. In i'd give it. Up they
Speaker 3: gave me all this confidence THAT i could be a
Speaker 3: big star in the world of wrestling IF i came,
Speaker 3: back IF i just stayed with. It he kept working,
Speaker 3: hard and they SAID i needed to talk with Vincick.
Speaker 3: MAN i still wasn't completely, convinced but they got me
Speaker 3: to SAY i talked to, Him so they called Vincick
Speaker 3: Man senior and put him on the. Speakerphone vince, Said,
Speaker 3: HEY i want you TO i want you to come
Speaker 3: up north next. WEEK i was real horses. ASS i,
Speaker 3: Said i'll come, up But i'm not bringing my wrestling.
Speaker 3: Stuff i'll come up and talk to, you BUT i
Speaker 3: don't want to. Wrestle looking, back it didn't make any
Speaker 3: sense for me to say. That, HELL i was making
Speaker 3: the trip, anyway but those were the CONDITIONS i, made
Speaker 3: and this Man senior accepted, them SO i flew up.
Speaker 3: North that's it turned. Out they didn't bring, it and
Speaker 3: they didn't bring me In New. York they probably An, Allentown,
Speaker 3: pennsylvania and for the first TIME i came face to
Speaker 3: face with McMahon's.
Speaker 2: We're getting.
Speaker 3: Closer we are.
Speaker 2: Now why would he invent this part of the story
Speaker 2: Involving Terry. Funk, well maybe because if you Hear Jerry
Speaker 2: briscoe tell it as he told it to our Friend Brad,
Speaker 2: Bulucchian hulk And edge just showed up one day at
Speaker 2: The brisco's house started shooting some pool and that's where
Speaker 2: the idea was approached of him, going of course To New.
Speaker 2: York and if you don't want your if you don't
Speaker 2: want The, briscoes who you. KNOW i think by this
Speaker 2: point we've established that The hulkochan looked at kind of a,
Speaker 2: skance you, know kind of skeptically as to what their
Speaker 2: true intentions. Were if it was all just a big
Speaker 2: practical joke to make this big oaf think that we
Speaker 2: were breaking him into the business while all the time
Speaker 2: we were just entertaining ourselves with how green he was
Speaker 2: and incapable he. Was maybe you wouldn't want to give
Speaker 2: them that kind of central role in the. Story maybe
Speaker 2: that that's where the utility of Introducing terry Funk, is
Speaker 2: the guy who went down to the docks comes. From
Speaker 2: but Here Jerry brisco in conversation With Brad, beluccian tells
Speaker 2: us how he remembers playing a role and Getting terry
Speaker 2: back into the.
Speaker 9: Business right in that room where you came in WHEN
Speaker 9: i WHEN i first bought that, place that was a
Speaker 9: rec room and that's My florida room, there but it
Speaker 9: was a rec. ROOM i had a pool table in,
Speaker 9: There my brother was. OVER i think it was A friday.
Speaker 9: Night my brother brother was over and we're having a
Speaker 9: couple of beers and playing. Pool all of a sudden
Speaker 9: they get a knock on the. Door open the door
Speaker 9: and it's and It's terry And Eddie Leslie beefkay Is
Speaker 9: eddie at the, Time, hey, guys come on.
Speaker 5: In they come in and watch.
Speaker 9: Up and we'd always told you when we knew the
Speaker 9: place For terry to eventually.
Speaker 5: End up Was convince Mcmat.
Speaker 9: He knew because that's where all the big guys, went
Speaker 9: and we knew he was too big for this.
Speaker 2: TERRITORY i, mean you, know too, bad too big For
Speaker 2: Mike graham to allow him to be big in this.
Speaker 9: Territory thirty. Major you, know he's a heavyweight champion in the. World,
Speaker 9: Right Dusty road, was you, know six to one and three,
Speaker 9: hundred but he wasn't big.
Speaker 7: Big what do you Think terry's legit height was back?
Speaker 5: Then probably six six six. Seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah so EVEN i, mean that's interesting because even though your,
Speaker 6: OWNER i, MEAN i guess that goes to show the
Speaker 6: difference in the mindset back then that you're an owner Of.
Speaker 6: Florida but even though he could be he, was you,
Speaker 6: know it could be big money for.
Speaker 7: You you you were willing to you knew that he
Speaker 7: would end up in a.
Speaker 5: Difference we knew he.
Speaker 10: Did and.
Speaker 5: It was A southwice deal.
Speaker 9: Too we had a great working relationship With Vince senior
Speaker 9: because we were In South, Florida, Miami Fort, Launderdale West.
Speaker 5: Palm who goes down? There who in the? Winter card?
Speaker 5: Man it's A New yorkers down.
Speaker 9: There so we knew if he went up there and
Speaker 9: got all that and and if you wanted on a,
Speaker 9: magazine you had a. Head he used to send us
Speaker 9: up To New york so we'd get magazine. Cover because
Speaker 9: they were Fortunate bill after dad retired and moved down
Speaker 9: To West Palm, beach So bill would come down To
Speaker 9: florida to visit his, parents So florida would get get that. Exclusion,
Speaker 9: well we had a great working relationship with With Vince senior.
Speaker 9: ALWAYS i mean we had a invest McMahon senior CLASSIC
Speaker 9: i think down In, Hollywood florida and in vent and
Speaker 9: then both vincas we were. There we had that really
Speaker 9: good working relationship with the. Guy so we knew if
Speaker 9: he went up there that it would benefit us in
Speaker 9: the long run, also and and you, Know jack AND
Speaker 9: i we owned the, territory but we also if we
Speaker 9: were friends with, you you, know and you weren't getting along.
Speaker 9: HERE i can't tell you how Many ricky, steamboats The
Speaker 9: dutchman tells THE i can't Rick. MARTEL i can't tell
Speaker 9: you how many people that we sent out here to other.
Speaker 9: Places they were our friends and we wanted to see
Speaker 9: him to do. Good and we knew the long term
Speaker 9: set up Of florida that they weren't going to they
Speaker 9: were gonna get mid, level and they weren't going to
Speaker 9: get because they weren't gonna get Past. Dusty they weren't
Speaker 9: getting pass. Jacked they weren't get passed. Me certain might
Speaker 9: weren't get past my. Ground there were certain guys that
Speaker 9: they were the, problem would be stuck right and that
Speaker 9: they were much. Better so we looked out for our
Speaker 9: friends due when we had the connection because we were
Speaker 9: ownership and in a territory and we were able to.
Speaker 5: Call and place the.
Speaker 9: Guy so it was it was a friend, deal but
Speaker 9: it was also in the back of my mind when
Speaker 9: if he goes To New, york we're gonna we're still
Speaker 9: gonna have access to him anytime we, want and he's
Speaker 9: gonna have all that coverage and, everything so anyway they
Speaker 9: can come knocking on my. Door one, night we're in
Speaker 9: there playing, pool they GRAB. Q so they grabbed PULL
Speaker 9: q and a beer and we started be assing around
Speaker 9: And terry, said hey, man he, SAID i can't making on,
Speaker 9: this you know my shows on.
Speaker 5: THIS i got to go. Somewhere he's not making much.
Speaker 9: Money we're not making much, money And i'm jumping ahead
Speaker 9: because we'd already send him To. Tennessee that's where the
Speaker 9: first place we sent him To, tennessee we Called.
Speaker 2: Louis who was a booker here In.
Speaker 9: Florida And louis was a real bright booker and really really,
Speaker 9: astudent really sharp sharp. Guy it wasn't like by a
Speaker 9: lot of, gods but he. Was he was really good
Speaker 9: what he. Did and so we knew if we send
Speaker 9: him To, Louis louis would take care of, him take
Speaker 9: care of. Him on our, words we sent him To.
Speaker 9: Tennessee jack bought him another pair of, boots AND i
Speaker 9: gave him one hundred. Dollars bill told, him pay me
Speaker 9: back whenever you. Can by the, way he did pay me.
Speaker 9: Back and not with interest Though. Tennessee and we told him.
Speaker 9: There we told him at that, time, There, terry go
Speaker 9: up there and get you. Experience and when you think
Speaker 9: you're ready in your, mind don't listen to. Them but
Speaker 9: in your mind you think you're, ready you come back
Speaker 9: And jack will get you booked In New. York he'll
Speaker 9: Call Vince. Senior he'll get you booked In New. York right,
Speaker 9: then it was Just vince because there's no junior player
Speaker 9: at the.
Speaker 5: Time It's. Advance so they that's.
Speaker 9: Reading the knock on the door, Came i'm, Ready i'm,
Speaker 9: Ready i'm, Ready i'm, Ready i'm. Ready, well you had
Speaker 9: a good run up. There AND i always kept touch
Speaker 9: With louis and With jarrett And lawnern always knew that
Speaker 9: he was having to there go, there, goes, yeah they are. Here,
Speaker 9: wow they'll go over the neighbors over there and get
Speaker 9: some food over.
Speaker 2: There take a, moment what the fuck is.
Speaker 9: The, house and said we're, Ready we're. Ready So jack
Speaker 9: picks up the phone and and LIKE i, said at The,
Speaker 9: Friday friday Or saturday the water or not it, was
Speaker 9: and picks up the, phone Calls, advance And vance Takes
Speaker 9: jack's word on you telling him to come on up
Speaker 9: and come on.
Speaker 5: Up I'll i'll take care of. Him i'll take a
Speaker 5: look at. Him and so you all sat.
Speaker 3: There it is that's the. Story, wow all right there it.
Speaker 3: Is that's the. Truth the last fan wrestling.
Speaker 1: Podcast he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast With jack n
Speaker 1: for AN SEO Mjp.
Speaker 2: Soro, well first of, all it's important to note that
Speaker 2: earlier in the, Conversation brad was asking him about Why
Speaker 2: hulk quit the business in the first place when he
Speaker 2: was working For, florida WHEN i was working for the
Speaker 2: office these guys, owned and he started telling this story
Speaker 2: Conflating hulk quitting the business the first time because he
Speaker 2: was being mistreated By Florida Championship wrestling according to, him
Speaker 2: AND i think according to a reasonable read of the,
Speaker 2: circumstances and this which is when he quit the business
Speaker 2: after being decided fight In memphis and then come back
Speaker 2: to the docks later. On he kind of realizes that
Speaker 2: there were two different. Episodes but it's just an example
Speaker 2: of kind of the difficulty here because people want to
Speaker 2: even congeal together holts different starts and, stops and wrestling
Speaker 2: is just one time he quit and one time he
Speaker 2: came in, right and this idea that like he knew
Speaker 2: all along That New york was an. Option like if
Speaker 2: he knew all Along New york was an, option why
Speaker 2: didn't he go there to begaining? Right why is he
Speaker 2: going back to the docks thinking this is What i'm
Speaker 2: making In memphis is What i'm going to make in the.
Speaker 2: Business and that's the beginning and end of. It And
Speaker 2: american people to get anywhere. Else, NO i, mean they
Speaker 2: realized he was making money and they couldn't underpay him,
Speaker 2: anymore and they wanted to keep making that, money and
Speaker 2: so they had to. DO i think what it took
Speaker 2: to facilitate him being able to access the kind of
Speaker 2: bank that he would leave the union work behind and,
Speaker 2: actually you, know see the kind of paychecks That New
Speaker 2: york could afford to cut and keep him in the
Speaker 2: business and, hopefully As jerry made very clear in those
Speaker 2: in those, comments win a bit on the back end
Speaker 2: when after becoming a name In New york and getting
Speaker 2: the magazine coverage and, such they could bring him back
Speaker 2: down To florida and start making some money off the.
Speaker 2: GUY i think that's pretty MUCH i think that's pretty
Speaker 2: much what we're dealing with. Here as far As Terry,
Speaker 2: Funk brad did talk to brisco about that component of,
Speaker 2: things Because brad came into a lot of these interviews
Speaker 2: having Read holts books as well as we're doing right.
Speaker 2: Now and here's What briscoe would say About Terry funk's
Speaker 2: roll or lack the rob in the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Problem it might have been.
Speaker 6: Winning and he also says That Terry funk played a
Speaker 6: role in encouraging him to keep.
Speaker 7: Going you remember.
Speaker 5: THAT i don't remember, that But Terry. Funk, Yeah, yeah That's.
Speaker 9: Terry And terry probably looked at him and saw the
Speaker 9: same thing that my brother AND i.
Speaker 5: Saw yeah, Yeah and about that one, Bit terry was
Speaker 5: down here a.
Speaker 9: Lot, Yeah And terry was a guy that liked hit
Speaker 9: the water and Established.
Speaker 2: Marcella, okay all, right he drank a lot and. Smile
Speaker 2: SO i MEAN i went in a little like detective
Speaker 2: mission to look at the record Of Hulk cogan's matches
Speaker 2: in seventy, nine which we pretty much have listed every
Speaker 2: single one of them this far in the, journey and
Speaker 2: try to find, out like where in this whole trajectory
Speaker 2: is there enough of a gap where he could have
Speaker 2: really gone back to the docks in a way where
Speaker 2: it's Like i'm, done you, know because if it was
Speaker 2: the clean break he talked, About he's not just going
Speaker 2: to go to the docks for one weekend and then
Speaker 2: wrestle the next. Weekend, right he makes it sound like
Speaker 2: he just Left, memphis like fuck. This AND i couldn't
Speaker 2: find any gap of any appreciable length in all of
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine for this. GUY i don't know where
Speaker 2: the hell this moment came where he went back to
Speaker 2: the docks and left the business behind And Terry funk
Speaker 2: had to come find. Him there's like a two WEEK i,
Speaker 2: mean he's pretty much working every week in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine upon starting With Ron fuller In. March there is
Speaker 2: like a two week gap in the fall of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine where he has his final match for The
Speaker 2: Memphis territory Against Ron bass On september sixth the Rupp
Speaker 2: arena In, Lexington. Kentucky it doesn't wrestle, again according To
Speaker 2: Wrestling data Dot com Until september twenty, ninth nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: nine and that's not In New. York that's For Georgia Championship.
Speaker 2: Wrestling everyone that talks About Hall cogan's story here jumps
Speaker 2: From memphis To New. York but the fact of the
Speaker 2: matter Is georgia and his return To. Southeastern all those,
Speaker 2: matches Remember boss we covered at the end of seventy,
Speaker 2: nine after The PLAN B Knoxville war had played, out
Speaker 2: and Suddenly knoxville was opened up and sold in fact
Speaker 2: By Ron fuller To Jimmy, barnett and thus all of
Speaker 2: The georgia wrestlers that work for Jim barnett started to
Speaker 2: be able to go to those. Circuits hulk is now
Speaker 2: hyperactive in late seventy nine all over the. Place way before.
Speaker 3: He goes To New.
Speaker 2: YORK i mean, way not, way but clearly before he
Speaker 2: goes To New. York it's not like a little bit
Speaker 2: of this on a little bit of. That he does
Speaker 2: His georgia run and then he goes down there up,
Speaker 2: THERE i should say TO, wwf there's No he comes
Speaker 2: back and Mixes georgia And southeastern In knoxville a little
Speaker 2: bit back. Together towards the end of seventy, nine including
Speaker 2: The Christmas night losing of the, championship The Southeastern heavyweight
Speaker 2: title To Bob armstrong that we actually found tape of and.
Speaker 2: Watched it's so wrong to just like cut out the
Speaker 2: fucking NATIONAL tbs. EXPOSURE i think probably would happen more than,
Speaker 2: anything because just as much As Eddie graham had that
Speaker 2: connective tissue With vince, McMahon so Did, georgia Because georgia
Speaker 2: would borrow a lot From Eddie graham and would borrow
Speaker 2: a lot of talent in an. Exchange And Jim barnett
Speaker 2: had a good relationship With Vince senior as, well very
Speaker 2: good in. Fact you, know look at the fact That
Speaker 2: Jim barnett went to work For Vince junior in eighty
Speaker 2: three When Vin's junior had pretty much no credibility yet
Speaker 2: built up in the business as this kid that, was you,
Speaker 2: know in over his head trying to take over the
Speaker 2: old man's business and down, there you, know Because, jimmy
Speaker 2: as we talked about on The Black Saturday, journey had
Speaker 2: been so, disenchanted let's, say With Ollie, anderson who was
Speaker 2: accusing him of all kinds of misdeeds and really going
Speaker 2: to the mat trying to Force Jimmy barnett out of,
Speaker 2: power that he just went fuck this and went With,
Speaker 2: vince who then came down there and absolutely conquered all
Speaker 2: his ass and put him in his. Place so we
Speaker 2: had we had a situation where he's going To. GEORGIA
Speaker 2: i think he probably went To georgia as this conduit
Speaker 2: To New york more than the idea that Like florida
Speaker 2: figured they would get him back because he doesn't wrestle In.
Speaker 2: Florida the fact of the matter is he doesn't wrestle In.
Speaker 2: Florida in nineteen seventy, nine he wrestles For Georgia Champiship,
Speaker 2: wrestling he wrestles for THE, wwwf and he wrestles For
Speaker 2: southeastern and The knoxville shows we just talked. About he
Speaker 2: even goes and apparently wins the one of the elusive
Speaker 2: championships That Louis tillette didn't put on him in the first.
Speaker 2: Place but according To Ron, fuller led to him jumping
Speaker 2: To memphis at the end of the, day that they
Speaker 2: wouldn't strap him up In southeastern when he was, wrestling you,
Speaker 2: know for any period of, time when he's wrestling the
Speaker 2: likes Of Boston, Idol Knox, baker and so it's very
Speaker 2: strange that people remember him going from throwing his hands
Speaker 2: up in the wrestling business In memphis and then getting
Speaker 2: connected With vince McMahon out of like a sort of
Speaker 2: like a desperate plea to get him back into the wrestling.
Speaker 2: Business because he doesn't go To New york right. Away in,
Speaker 2: fact he goes to a gig that's just about as
Speaker 2: high profile as any other gig he had Before New,
Speaker 2: york which Is. Georgia there's actual tape of. This everyone
Speaker 2: who had, cable satellite, cable which if you, know admittedly
Speaker 2: was very limited penetration at the, time but it's not
Speaker 2: like he was operating just this little corner of the
Speaker 2: wrestling world that nobody outside the confines Of atlanta was
Speaker 2: able to. See this is The Sterling, golden this is
Speaker 2: Where Sterling golden comes. From it's this is this is
Speaker 2: We this is holes so, convoluted even for wrestling, history
Speaker 2: it really.
Speaker 3: Is it's really crazy.
Speaker 2: Because everyone's version of the, story like when you look
Speaker 2: at the actual chronology of where he was and when
Speaker 2: it just can't be that it doesn't make any sense
Speaker 2: that what went that, way like the fact that nobody
Speaker 2: has as part of their. Story, yeah he went to FUCKING,
Speaker 2: tbs which was the biggest wrestling territory time with the
Speaker 2: sickest television clearance from a national, perspective And Jimmy barnett
Speaker 2: running point one of the most respected and kind of
Speaker 2: enterprising and dominant and select promoters in the. Business no
Speaker 2: one mentions when he did when he went To. Georgia
Speaker 2: even in his own. Books hulk is very opaque about
Speaker 2: when he was actually In. Georgia AND i think we've
Speaker 2: established very. CLEARLY i think you'd, Agree, boss having at
Speaker 2: all the newspaper, clippings all of the newspaper, advertisements for
Speaker 2: all the matches That hulk did For Ron fuller and
Speaker 2: For Jerry jarrett And Jerry, lawler he had not been
Speaker 2: Called Sterling. Golden he just had.
Speaker 11: Not.
Speaker 2: NO i, know there's that loose end Of Ron fuller
Speaker 2: saying on his podcast that On Southeastern Television Terry boulder
Speaker 2: would often have verbal battles with his Manager Billy spears
Speaker 2: Over Billy speers wanting to call Him Sterling golden when
Speaker 2: he preferred to be Called terry The Hulk. BOULDER i
Speaker 2: see no evidence of that. Whatsoever there's not a single
Speaker 2: newspaper ad and the newspapers down there where he's ever
Speaker 2: listed As Sterling golden as far AS i can, tell
Speaker 2: until he goes To. Georgia so where does The Sterling
Speaker 2: golden thing? Happen if he goes straight From memphis To
Speaker 2: Vince senior and Becomes Hulk, coogan because that's that's where
Speaker 2: he gets the. NAME i don't, know But i'm here
Speaker 2: to tell you that if there's any gap at all
Speaker 2: in his nineteen seventy nine where we might be able
Speaker 2: to pencil in his sort of like hiatus from the,
Speaker 2: business it would be Between september sixth And september twenty
Speaker 2: ninth of nineteen. Seven but just to hear others like
Speaker 2: Those facebook, posts it was it was even before. That
Speaker 2: it was in seventy eight that he was active in and.
Speaker 2: Out so we're doing our best, here and we're laying
Speaker 2: all the facts on the. TABLE i guess it's up
Speaker 2: to you to. Decide so you've only conveyed his first.
Speaker 2: Book how about his second? Boss how about his second
Speaker 2: bite at the? Apple let's see if we can detect
Speaker 2: an irregularities here and consistent here coming to the boss,
Speaker 2: Man go right, ahead no, Boy.
Speaker 3: So part of me was wondering that part of me, Was,
Speaker 3: yeah part of me is turning to wonder if my
Speaker 3: music career had a cap on a top of the.
Speaker 3: Two and HERE i was my early twenties and already
Speaker 3: starting to give up in between. BANDS i wound up
Speaker 3: falling back on an Old Port tampa, mindset trying to
Speaker 3: lanne a regular, job a THING i SWORE i never.
Speaker 2: Do you.
Speaker 3: Know one of the first PLACES i applied Was Tampa
Speaker 3: Electric Company. Tech the general feeling around town was and
Speaker 3: if you worked for Electric, company want a job to
Speaker 3: GET i was security for. Life But i've never heard
Speaker 3: back from. Them another TIME i applied At Honeywell Electronics
Speaker 3: company that was another big deal employer Or. TAMPA i
Speaker 3: never heard back from them, either you. Know, FINALLY i
Speaker 3: applied At Anheuser. Bush you'll he had a big plant
Speaker 3: Between tampa And Saint. Pete SO i, thought AND i,
Speaker 3: thought IF i could get in there and start unloading
Speaker 3: the beer off the, Trucks i'm gonna work my way.
Speaker 3: Up that's what everyone always told. Me you, know you
Speaker 3: could wind up driving one of those trucks and making
Speaker 3: at promoted a, supervisor and then you can be district.
Speaker 3: MAN i want to know who said. THIS i know
Speaker 3: that's a loss to. Him that's a. Lot who, Said, Oh,
Speaker 3: terry you could become district manager. Someday, oh that's pretty
Speaker 3: fucking exciting to. Me on and on and if you do,
Speaker 3: that if you put in your twenty five thirty Years
Speaker 3: anhuis Or, bush you'll be. Set. Well guess. WHAT i
Speaker 3: never heard back from. Them the one PLACE i did
Speaker 3: find work was on the Diz ox on the off
Speaker 3: the twenty Second street. Causeway AND i was around two
Speaker 3: undred and fifty pounds in those, days a lot more
Speaker 3: cut THAN i am. Today you could actually see my
Speaker 3: stomach muscles back and then instead of this one big
Speaker 3: ABB i got now and the Time i'd spend At
Speaker 3: hector's gym made me strong enough to do some big.
Speaker 3: Lifting Anthony barcelo one of the lead singers in one
Speaker 3: of the one of the seven or eight. BAMS i
Speaker 3: was in seven or eight? Bands did we count seven
Speaker 3: or eight?
Speaker 5: Pans?
Speaker 3: THING i did you get? THERE i think it was
Speaker 3: more like four or. FIVE i don't, KNOW i was seven or. Eight,
Speaker 3: yeah you, know helped me. Out his dad was in
Speaker 3: The Laborers union and he got my name on the.
Speaker 3: Books so every Time i'd get sick of a, band
Speaker 3: when the guys were bitching and, COMPLAINING i go back
Speaker 3: and put my name on those. Books is a way
Speaker 3: to change gears and make. Money. Yeah first they sent
Speaker 3: me out on construction, jobs on pouring concrete or helping electrical.
Speaker 3: Workers and one day if they send me out at
Speaker 3: the docks to help load and unload. SHIPS i took
Speaker 3: to that real, quick AND i was good at anything
Speaker 3: to do with. Math doesn't want to came to paydays.
Speaker 5: Every one, AGAIN i know.
Speaker 7: A.
Speaker 3: Word you can't any money, exactly and figuring out how
Speaker 3: to load these ships the right. Way it was all
Speaker 3: about math and. Balance it is important too if you
Speaker 3: had a big ship going To singapore Or tokyo and
Speaker 3: that shit zip wasn't loaded, correctly you could sink.
Speaker 1: It no.
Speaker 3: Joke they threw me down in the, hole AND i
Speaker 3: worked real. Hard at the point where they invited me
Speaker 3: to join The Longshoreman's. UNION i was the first white
Speaker 3: guy ever to get into Long Short's Humian Longshores union
Speaker 3: Long Shoreman's Union union In, tampa believe it or. Not
Speaker 3: and MORE i, worked the BETTER i got to figure
Speaker 3: out how to load these these ships and these big
Speaker 3: containers on meat and fertilizer or whatever the product of
Speaker 3: the day. Was So i'd always do it just the right.
Speaker 3: Way so they kept me on these twelves before they
Speaker 3: kept they kept me in this in this. Version so
Speaker 3: they kept me on these twelve the fortune hour ships
Speaker 3: for about six months UNTIL i was good at, it
Speaker 3: and they invited me UNTIL i was so good at
Speaker 3: they invited me to join The Steve Doors. Union that
Speaker 3: was a really big. Deal Steve doors were the guys
Speaker 3: on the deck of the ship telling everybody word like
Speaker 3: put the, load just like, uh just Like bubba's. Wife,
Speaker 3: yeah good.
Speaker 2: ONE i uh see here he's framing it in a
Speaker 2: second book as the docks stuff as being coincident with
Speaker 2: his music, career like it's something that he starts doing
Speaker 2: out of frustration with the music not going. Well but
Speaker 2: if he, like, no he had given up music by
Speaker 2: the time he went in and tried to make it
Speaker 2: as a pro. Wrestler After Cocoa, beach he was out of.
Speaker 2: Music SO i don't understand how he remembers doing the
Speaker 2: docks as something he did between. GIGS i think he's
Speaker 2: or maybe the author is conflating him taking work in
Speaker 2: The Laborers union With, barcelo which he.
Speaker 3: Did What i'm What i'm What i'm wondering is, though
Speaker 3: did it seems like what he said in both books
Speaker 3: that he'd always go back to the docks whenever something was.
Speaker 3: Ending so it's like he probably started the. Docks we
Speaker 3: know he, started we know he started the docks right
Speaker 3: in when he was around the, bands but then he
Speaker 3: just kept going back to it after wrestling gigs.
Speaker 2: Whatever Is, yeah it sounds like, right it sounds like
Speaker 2: he it sounds like after getting involved with The Labor's,
Speaker 2: union like he kind of told the story in the first,
Speaker 2: book he kind of dipped his toe in The Steve
Speaker 2: doring and kind of became aware of that side of
Speaker 2: things right, right and maybe did a little bit of you,
Speaker 2: know introductory work and then later went whole, er more
Speaker 2: whole hog into. It because it just DOESN'T i don't,
Speaker 2: know it doesn't add up that he was taking doc
Speaker 2: work while he was still involved in the.
Speaker 3: Music that was that was.
Speaker 2: Different that was like the the hard labor construction kind
Speaker 2: of jobs that he was talking, about like the the
Speaker 2: phosphate plant or. Whatever he.
Speaker 3: Said, anyway it's just you know this is our. STRUGGLE
Speaker 3: i know this is Exactly that was a really big Deal,
Speaker 3: seawards so there al was a big man in charge
Speaker 3: up on, deck roasting in the hot. Sun BUT i
Speaker 3: just kept picturing That Port tampa death, dude THAT PtD.
Speaker 3: BROTHER i didn't want to live and die on those
Speaker 3: diss hawks. BROTHER i wanted something different from my. LIFE
Speaker 3: i was still. YOUNG i couldn't give, in not. YET
Speaker 3: i KNEW i had to walk. Away your music wasn't,
Speaker 3: perfect but at LEAST i was having fun looking at
Speaker 3: it out in a crowd full of beautiful girls and
Speaker 3: not sweating up on a container ship all. Day AND
Speaker 3: i landed one of those JOBS i applied. For who
Speaker 3: knows what would happened if somebody had called me back
Speaker 3: and hired me A Tampa electric and all those all
Speaker 3: these friends started congratulating me on landing a great. Job
Speaker 3: i'd probably still be working there. TODAY i might even
Speaker 3: be retired by. Now i'm SURE i would have been
Speaker 3: a linesman with my own, crew a forman like my.
Speaker 3: DAD i would have grown my go. Tea i'm SURE
Speaker 3: i would have lifted weights and taking steroids and become
Speaker 3: a legend in my own mind standing on the side
Speaker 3: of the road all buffing ten with my hard hat,
Speaker 3: on posting as everybody drove, by being that guy that
Speaker 3: everyone wanted to be wanted me to be. Friends took
Speaker 3: those gigs who turned up a temp job unloading trucks
Speaker 3: into a twenty year. Career And i'm sure If i'd
Speaker 3: have the opportunity making four or five six hundred bucks
Speaker 3: a week that big union, MONEY i would have done it.
Speaker 3: TOO i just thank God i'd never panned. Out, honestly
Speaker 3: at that point in my, LIFE i was nothing more
Speaker 3: than a two hundred and fifty pound piece of. PUDDY
Speaker 3: i had no, SKILL i had no. TRADE i didn't
Speaker 3: have a degree in accountant or. BUSINESS i never even
Speaker 3: thought about becoming a doctor or or a lawyer or
Speaker 3: a dentist or let alone a marine bolishes or something
Speaker 3: interesting like the fucking they talking about talking. About, Honestly, okay,
Speaker 3: yeah so you never even thought. It so if you
Speaker 3: never thought about, it why do you even bring it
Speaker 3: up in this? Book, like if you never thought about,
Speaker 3: it who? CARES i get.
Speaker 2: It you didn't want to have a, Job, okay exactly
Speaker 2: know that's like the whole secret to all this is
Speaker 2: that's what the wrestling business thrives off.
Speaker 11: Of AN.
Speaker 2: Mma to some extent, too it's like just high school lasts, forever,
Speaker 2: right they'd want people who don't want to have. Jobs, yes,
Speaker 2: getcha all, RIGHT i hear. You and that's how you
Speaker 2: can underpay. Them and you know WHAT i, mean all
Speaker 2: that stuff coming out Of port, damn but that mindset
Speaker 2: was just never, there you. Know it was just it
Speaker 2: wasn't something that you even dare to think. ABOUT i was.
Speaker 3: LOST i was just looking for someone to point me
Speaker 3: in the right. Direction The Bond june seventy, six this
Speaker 3: pattern of movement between rock and roll And heart Our
Speaker 3: labor was really. Getting there's no way in seventy sixties
Speaker 3: on the, docks that's. No, YEAH i agree with. That
Speaker 3: oh he's on the docks before he goes To, metsuda.
Speaker 3: Right but thing he started to click with this band
Speaker 3: Called Rocks Cross Brother, rocks.
Speaker 2: And so yeah again he puts it as as as
Speaker 2: something that happens during The ruckus. Days went to, me
Speaker 2: this happens all after The ruckus. Days but, yeah, right
Speaker 2: here's another bit where it gets us through To Vince
Speaker 2: senior from his second, book didn't come through yet did
Speaker 2: he hit?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: Brother after a, While well we'll see. There oh, wait
Speaker 3: here we. Go, sorry it did come through after a.
Speaker 3: While the rays up to a hundred bucks are so
Speaker 3: it didn't make any. Better you, know that was still
Speaker 3: just just a. PRIZE a few seats in the whole?
Speaker 3: Arena was that ALL i was? WORTH i knew a
Speaker 3: good portion those fans were there to see. ME i
Speaker 3: built a. FOLLOWING i was one of THE i. WAS
Speaker 3: i was doing spots ON tv and helping to probe
Speaker 3: the whole. Thing well he's just doing spots ON. Tv,
Speaker 3: jesus come, on, BROTHER i KNEW i deserved. MORE i
Speaker 3: KNEW i was worth. More so when was clear that
Speaker 3: there were no giant raises in my, FUTURE i took
Speaker 3: a step back and try to reevaluate the whole. Situation my,
Speaker 3: conclusion wrestling for no money. Sucks so this is jumping
Speaker 3: ahead Into. Memphis, yeah, yeah so that was. That once,
Speaker 3: AGAIN i decided to. QUIT i drove back down To,
Speaker 3: tampa WHERE i always returned WHENEVER i wait a few days.
Speaker 3: Off this, TIME i really THOUGHT i was quitting for.
Speaker 3: Good Just roth thought it was. Out chapter. Seven Just
Speaker 3: roth thought it was. Out BROTHER a lot of, part
Speaker 3: AND i knew seventy. NINE i set myself up in
Speaker 3: a room with The expressway in a.
Speaker 2: HOTEL i. Know Fucking, yet so latter part of seventy.
Speaker 2: Nine that does add up with that, gap that gap
Speaker 2: THAT i detected in his wrestling. Record so there's.
Speaker 3: That, Okay, yeah fucking he's always fucking.
Speaker 4: Living in the.
Speaker 3: Hotel why can't he move back?
Speaker 2: Home, no because he doesn't want. To he doesn't want.
Speaker 2: To he doesn't want to have an anchor. Anywhere you,
Speaker 2: know he's a, vagamond he's a he's a, gipsy wants that,
Speaker 2: life and he's he's gonna get it in music or
Speaker 2: wrestling or some. Way he's going to get a life
Speaker 2: where he is not tied.
Speaker 3: Down, DUDE i guess it's just this is fucking wacky
Speaker 3: that he's always, that he's he's always fucking you know,
Speaker 3: that that that that he can't go back To pete
Speaker 3: And ruths don't get. That some don't you dare come
Speaker 3: here living to live with, me you fucking. Asshole that
Speaker 3: might have been part of the problem. Too now he's
Speaker 3: taken any more of your fucking calls from those damn fake.
Speaker 3: Athletes she fuck.
Speaker 2: Her she didn't pass them through, anyway according To, jerry
Speaker 2: which is to blame for the whole. Misunderstanding but you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i can just picture him being like so gotten
Speaker 2: too by the idea that you, know IF i go
Speaker 2: back To tampa and like really like live there, Again
Speaker 2: i'll never get, out you, Know i'll end up getting
Speaker 2: one of these one of these dreaded jobs that will
Speaker 2: keep me pin there for the rest of my. Life
Speaker 2: you can tell that that's like it's a classic you,
Speaker 2: know rock and, roll you, Know wanderlust kind of. Exactly it's, all,
Speaker 2: yeah it's that's that's that's the, uh that's that's the,
Speaker 2: dreamer you, know, right the dreamer fears the ordinary, life,
Speaker 2: right he fears he's going to get co opted by,
Speaker 2: it and then it's going in a situation where you
Speaker 2: CAN'T i get. It, yeah IT'S i.
Speaker 3: Understand, yeah it wants to you. Know, Yeah i'm with.
Speaker 5: You, yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: UH a lot of Her sullivan a room with The
Speaker 3: expressway and for eleven dollars or nine put AND i
Speaker 3: put my name back on the books at The Long
Speaker 3: shortman's And Steve Drs. Unions i'll still a member of.
Speaker 3: Both that's, why that's why you're for. Wrestling he's already
Speaker 3: part of a bunch of fucking back on the. Books,
Speaker 3: okay so, yeah that adds up that he was involved
Speaker 3: in seventy, Eight but he makes it seem like it was.
Speaker 3: All he doesn't make it seem like that was during
Speaker 3: The Cocoa beach. Days but we know nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 3: was Exclusively Coco. Beach that was his whole. Life so
Speaker 3: he doesn't ever conflate those. Two he never he never
Speaker 3: seems like he works at dogs. Then but it had
Speaker 3: to be right because if he's saying in seventy nine
Speaker 3: he put his name back on the, books and we
Speaker 3: know how busy he was in. Wrestling but if we
Speaker 3: talk about, though if we think the idea that he
Speaker 3: actually did try that he did get a job as
Speaker 3: a longshortman from his Band Buddy ye when he was
Speaker 3: doing the, band and then he kept going back and
Speaker 3: forth to, IT i CAN i can see that maybe
Speaker 3: in somebody he didn't work the docks and then he's
Speaker 3: put his name back on the books after a couple of.
Speaker 3: Years maybe. Yeah, Yeah AND i was.
Speaker 2: With that too UNTIL i looked at a map Of,
Speaker 2: florida And i'm, like if this Guy Billy johnson remembers
Speaker 2: working with him In Fort, pierce there's no way because that,
Speaker 2: way that's that's way too far on the other side Of.
Speaker 2: Florida it's it makes a lot more sense that he
Speaker 2: did that while In Cocoa beach game.
Speaker 3: Whatever, yeah all that time From Cocoa, Beach alabama And,
Speaker 3: MEMPHIS i kept paying. DUES i guess in the back
Speaker 3: of my, MIND i wanted to have something to fall back.
Speaker 3: ON i was only back In tampa for about a
Speaker 3: week WHEN i was stopping into The Imperial, room this
Speaker 3: bar where all the wrestlers used to wind up after
Speaker 3: The tuesday night match and we go, again AND i
Speaker 3: ran into a wrestling Named Terry. Funk, oh now this
Speaker 3: is at The Imperial. Room that's, right all, right here we.
Speaker 3: Go stop the fucking press. Book, one he's on the,
Speaker 3: docks on the. Docks terry walks up to, Him what the.
Speaker 7: Hell are you?
Speaker 3: Doing what are you doing on the, docks your dumb. Funk,
Speaker 3: two it's in The Imperial. Room Imperial, Room give me
Speaker 3: a fucking, break. Guys he was really surprised to see.
Speaker 3: Me he said he'd been trying to find. Me all
Speaker 3: of a, Sudden jack And Jerry brisco came over and
Speaker 3: they were doing the same. Thing what.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Happened where the hell are you?
Speaker 7: Being?
Speaker 3: CARY i told HIM i don't. Quit i'm not doing
Speaker 3: the shit. Anymore they didn't.
Speaker 2: Want to hear.
Speaker 4: That we've been trying to get a hold of. You
Speaker 4: where the hell are you living? Now So ruth isn't
Speaker 4: passing the. Message god damn. IT i keep Telling. Ruth
Speaker 4: you don't give him the damn, Message i'm gonna kick your.
Speaker 4: Ass bence McMahon has been calling us From New york
Speaker 4: trying to get tracked you. Down where's where's this? Hulk
Speaker 4: he says on the, Phone, hey where's this?
Speaker 7: Hell?
Speaker 3: Uh he heard about what you're doing In memphis and
Speaker 3: how all the arenas were sold. Out he wants to see.
Speaker 3: YOU i was so down on the whole. THING i
Speaker 3: really didn't. CARE i, said, Guys i'm not. Interested i'm
Speaker 3: going back to work on the. Dogs i'm just gonna
Speaker 3: stay here In. Tampa i'm Gonna. Tampa, oh The expressway In, yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly i'm just gonna buy a room in The expressway In,
Speaker 3: Dude i'm wanna buy property in The expressway In i'm
Speaker 3: leaving the.
Speaker 2: Business i'm sick of this road, life, Brother but you know,
Speaker 2: What i'm still gonna live in a. Hotel Right and
Speaker 2: the next day that brisk goes pretty much hijacked, me
Speaker 2: dragged me down to this. Sportatorium come, here your job set?
Speaker 3: Up, then hijacking is quite different than him knocking on
Speaker 3: their door to play. Pool, yeah, right and we walked.
Speaker 3: In Eddie graham was. There but NOW i guess we
Speaker 3: all made peace in my, absence BUT i didn't quite get.
Speaker 3: Anyway they get visit Man A senior on the. Phone
Speaker 3: later on as so Physical Man junior would take over
Speaker 3: and help turn the organization to an international. Phenomenon but for,
Speaker 3: Now Vin senior was still the, man and The New
Speaker 3: york territory was. His you, know McMahon, said you, Know
Speaker 3: New york's a big man's territory. Here we've been watching,
Speaker 3: you and you, know we're really interested in. You we
Speaker 3: want you to come up, here and you, know why
Speaker 3: don't you come up here and wrestle ON tv and
Speaker 3: we'll see if you're as good as everyone says you,
Speaker 3: were and if the Crowds levy as much as everybody
Speaker 3: else says they. DO i told HIM i wasn't interested
Speaker 3: in you, know when he asked, WHY i told him
Speaker 3: about how much MONEY i was, making HOW i could
Speaker 3: have send driving nine hours just For russell three. Minutes
Speaker 3: and THEN i was pretty much sick of the whole.
Speaker 3: THING i don't think you care about how much you
Speaker 3: wrestle as long as you get, paid, right, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: if you were a, matter if you.
Speaker 2: Were but you, know here's the, bullshit, like and we
Speaker 2: heard it From we heard it From Michael Saint john in, Particular.
Speaker 2: Terry terry was working With Jerry. Lawler, okay he was
Speaker 2: In Jerry lawler's. Orbit those guys got paid In. Memphis
Speaker 2: if a lot of people didn't get paid In, memphis
Speaker 2: up and down the, card, Right but people that work
Speaker 2: With Jerry lawler got. Paid so if he, was if
Speaker 2: he felt, like you, know The memphis money was like slave,
Speaker 2: WAGES i don't, know, man it. DOESN'T i, MEAN i
Speaker 2: don't think he like it seems like, honestly it feels
Speaker 2: like he was making more money In memphis than he
Speaker 2: was doing on the. Docks it seems that, way doesn't.
Speaker 1: It it?
Speaker 2: Does he just didn't like driving, around, Right that's what
Speaker 2: it came down. To he didn't like the long road.
Speaker 3: Trip right. Exactly he's a fucking, listen he's a.
Speaker 2: Towny he's someone that doesn't, want, Right he's someone that
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be tied down in his hometown with
Speaker 2: a hometown job and a hometown you, know, destiny, Right
Speaker 2: but he also doesn't want to do the things you
Speaker 2: have to do to not be.
Speaker 12: That.
Speaker 3: Listen IF i bet if he could, have if he could,
Speaker 3: have if he could have, wrestled, okay if he could
Speaker 3: have been a pro, wrestler make him the kind of
Speaker 3: w money that he would eventually, make and only wrestle In,
Speaker 3: tampa he would have done.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah that's why it's such a damn tragedy that
Speaker 2: they didn't see in. Him What louis to Let Ron,
Speaker 2: Fuller Jerry JARRETT i saw in him was if he you,
Speaker 2: know if they pushed him appropriately in seventy, seven they'd
Speaker 2: had all this to, themselves they would have gotten all
Speaker 2: this money off this, guy and instead he's got to
Speaker 2: play all these fucking games and end up in and
Speaker 2: ends up In New york, anyway, right, Right, hey you
Speaker 2: could do so much. Better McMahon, said you never have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to make you the money you need to, Make,
Speaker 2: terry this is where you, Belong Madison, Square god In New,
Speaker 2: york the big. Time you belong, Here and just come
Speaker 2: up here and meet me face to face and see
Speaker 2: what you. THINK i was a heck of a. Salesman follow.
Speaker 7: ME i.
Speaker 3: Can't it's sort of sort of, Okay i'll And i'll
Speaker 3: talk to, you But i'm not bringing my wrestling. Boots
Speaker 3: so he flew me up north And i'm at vincit
Speaker 3: at a stadium In, Allentown, pennsylvania where THE wwwe shot
Speaker 3: THEIR tv matches every three. Weeks we call that a,
Speaker 3: stadium but all, right yeah, right he called it a
Speaker 3: fucking farmhouse farm exactly a fucking. HANGAR i, know yeah right.
Speaker 1: He.
Speaker 3: Was he kept staring at me over the over the
Speaker 3: top of his. Glasses WHEN i walked. IN i balled
Speaker 3: me up and, down and he couldn't believe how BIG i.
Speaker 3: WAS i just come up with this big steroid run
Speaker 3: And i've, been you, know wrestling non. Stop how is
Speaker 3: he wrestling non stop and working the TIME i thought
Speaker 3: he had? Done the exact opposite is it regards to keeping.
Speaker 3: Busy let's not forget this. TOO i, mean we've got
Speaker 3: enough hints coming up through the surface, Already Charlie, platt
Speaker 3: seeing the vials, everywhere the gym, life the shadiness AROUND,
Speaker 3: fbi sniffing around the, uh the anchor. Club and maybe
Speaker 3: the Reason terry was able to make such a richer, living,
Speaker 3: okay quitting the business was because he knew how to move.
Speaker 3: Product all, right that is. TRUE i think we need
Speaker 3: to keep that in. Mind this is kind of like
Speaker 3: a subcurrent under all this. Stuff we gotta keep we,
Speaker 3: goetta we always got to think about the.
Speaker 2: Pipeline and maybe that's why he was so fascinated by the,
Speaker 2: docks because where else are you going to move?
Speaker 3: This, true that's a very good. Point that's. Right. Listen
Speaker 3: you can get fresh product coming in off the. Boats,
Speaker 3: yep come, on you. KNOW i just think it's worth,
Speaker 3: mentioning especially if this is a big. Exercise and how
Speaker 3: much Is terry netting at the end of the day
Speaker 3: in wrestling Versus Steve doring and other? Ventures, okay other,
Speaker 3: ventures let's. See uh also my mid. Twenties I'm i'm
Speaker 3: a biological. Peak no Other restler looked like, me AND
Speaker 3: i knew. That it's like everything else in. Life IF
Speaker 3: i If i'm going to work, OUT i work. Out, okay.
Speaker 3: GREAT i don't know what that. Means, YEAH i.
Speaker 5: Don't know what that.
Speaker 3: Means i'll either get give you. Credit IF i want
Speaker 3: to work, OUT i.
Speaker 2: Don't SO i think it was the Comedian John lesois who,
Speaker 2: SAID I i hate working out almost as much AS
Speaker 2: i love not going to the.
Speaker 3: Gym, yes, LISTEN I i, Yep i'm still.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: Listen i've.
Speaker 4: Been i've.
Speaker 3: Been i've been going to the gym so fucking faithfully
Speaker 3: in the last six, months, okay like crazy. FAITHFULLY i
Speaker 3: have yet to want to go to the. GYM i have.
Speaker 3: NOT i get the text from my, friend And i'm
Speaker 3: hoping that he's going to, say, hey my kid's. SICK
Speaker 3: i can't go to the gym. Today what a wondrous.
Speaker 3: Day that would be glory fucking every day every. DAY
Speaker 3: i want it to. HAPPEN i want an excuse is
Speaker 3: to not go to the. Gym but at, least at
Speaker 3: Least i'm in a place where it's like he text,
Speaker 3: ME i get, IT i get just get a fucking.
Speaker 3: Go but like, MAN i. MIGHT i don't get. IT
Speaker 3: i don't get people who want to go to the.
Speaker 3: GYM i don't get people who like going to the.
Speaker 3: GYM i get no enjoyment out of. It the only,
Speaker 3: enjoyment the only ENJOYMENT i get is walking out at
Speaker 3: the end of. It i'm Happy i'm. Leaving that's definitely
Speaker 3: not the Wavelength aultster was, on not at. All AND i,
Speaker 3: LISTEN I i, WISH i WISH i could enjoy. IT
Speaker 3: i WISH i could enjoy, it BUT i want to
Speaker 3: get out of there as fast as fucking possible kind of.
Speaker 3: Stuff it's it's and, listen And i'm. THERE i do an,
Speaker 3: hour do an. HOUR i do an hour every fucking
Speaker 3: day almost. Anyway And i'm not saying.
Speaker 12: That.
Speaker 3: Listen i'm not saying that to.
Speaker 2: BRAT i.
Speaker 3: Listen i'm trying to be trying to be. Healthier But
Speaker 3: i'm saying it BECAUSE i fucking hate.
Speaker 2: It, YEAH i hate. It and then you have this
Speaker 2: guy who's, like, right doesn't know what to. Do it
Speaker 2: would literally kill himself if he, couldn't, yes, exactly if
Speaker 2: he couldn't go to the fucking. Gym IF i want
Speaker 2: to work, Out i'll work. OUT i would either get
Speaker 2: the biggest arms in the world or explode them. TRYING
Speaker 2: i was eating everything inside. TOO i saw the perfect
Speaker 2: wrestler should have big arms and a big. BELLY i
Speaker 2: just thought that's the way you should. Look that's like
Speaker 2: fucking like Uh. Putski, yeah like what he used to
Speaker 2: look like the, seventies fucking barrel of a. Man so
Speaker 2: fucking funny that a bodybuild or six pack wasn't the
Speaker 2: way to. Go it was too.
Speaker 3: Unreliable it's so unrelatable to the. Crowd, now that's WHY i.
Speaker 3: See so it wasn't just because you wanted to eat
Speaker 3: everything inside and you were rationalizing you could because you're
Speaker 3: going to the gym right. Right it's because you didn't
Speaker 3: think that's what the. Crowd you wanted to relate to the. Crowd,
Speaker 3: fuck you wouldn't be above bullshit. EXACTLY i really didn't
Speaker 3: want to wrestle, anymore BUT i stuck around that night
Speaker 3: to watch the. MATCH i was wearing a tied eyed,
Speaker 3: shirt kind of Like Superstar Billy graham always, wore And
Speaker 3: graham was at his peaking popularity at that. Point i'll be,
Speaker 3: HONEST i really did try to emulate his look AS
Speaker 3: i was coming, up LIKE i, said the idea of
Speaker 3: stealing a little bit from all the best wrestlers with
Speaker 3: my whole game plan right from the. Beginning in, fact
Speaker 3: at that, moment with my, hair with my hairline receiding and,
Speaker 3: EVERYTHING i looked just like the, guy or at least
Speaker 3: a younger version of the. Guy so WHEN i stuck
Speaker 3: my head out from behind that curtain to see what
Speaker 3: the crowd was, like all of a, sudden a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of people THOUGHT i was him and Superstar Billy.
Speaker 3: Graham they started. Yelling Vince cedar saw that and, said,
Speaker 3: hey don't have a, wet tight eye. AGAIN i think
Speaker 3: that reaction made him realize what he could do with.
Speaker 5: Me it.
Speaker 3: Was it was like starting over with a brand new,
Speaker 3: Superstar Billy, graham having this young superstar that he could
Speaker 3: build and mold in his. Organization oh, yeah that's, yeah
Speaker 3: that's why he Saw Billy graham and you because you
Speaker 3: had the tight eyed, shirt not because he sounded exactly
Speaker 3: like him on, promos right and fucking blonde hair and
Speaker 3: yeah you, know yeah, Right TODD i. Shirt that's exactly
Speaker 3: what it. Was if that mind took me to. Dinner
Speaker 3: he made. Up he made up his. Mind, Look i'll
Speaker 3: set you up an, apartment he, said in West, Haven,
Speaker 3: connecticut where all the wrestlers.
Speaker 2: Lives h.
Speaker 3: That's they fucking lived in West. Haven they, Did, yeah,
Speaker 3: really they really. Did that's where they fucking. LIVED i
Speaker 3: guess you don't want to pay for a fucking h you,
Speaker 3: know real estate In New York. City but, yeah it's
Speaker 3: so fucking weird to, me West, haven of all fucking.
Speaker 3: Places i'm also gonna put you with a guy Named
Speaker 3: Tony Altamore altamar out To, mara out To. Maraw, yes
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It'll drive you everywhere and take care of everything so
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that for yourself.
Speaker 3: Anymore see that's.
Speaker 2: Him, yeah that's he hates driving right, Exactly and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden like he's in if there's a, driver you,
Speaker 2: know why drive WHEN i could tan what you couldn't,
Speaker 2: Though but whatever we, do, WELL i.
Speaker 3: Want to drive SOMEPLACE i can just sit in town
Speaker 3: is outside, brother than drive anywhere just south side my, son,
Speaker 3: Brother Crispin bacon.
Speaker 2: Just not holding not as a union, checker that's not,
Speaker 2: no exactly. Exactly, no he wants to do it out of,
Speaker 2: luxury not out of. Necessity Al tomorrow Was Captain alabama's
Speaker 2: tag team, partner AND i made wrestle us The sicilians
Speaker 2: back in the, day And i'll give you a guarantee
Speaker 2: that makes it eight hundred a week look like chump.
Speaker 4: Chain.
Speaker 3: Yeah the funny thing, IS i don't even remember what
Speaker 3: the number.
Speaker 6: Was.
Speaker 3: Bullshit you come up here And i'll make you a
Speaker 3: star In New. York what struck me more than the
Speaker 3: money was how Vinsick man seemed to really be bend
Speaker 3: over backwards trying to get me to come To New,
Speaker 3: york the place that was the top of the wrestled food.
Speaker 3: Chain it sure was a whole world of difference From,
Speaker 3: Tampa alabama Or. Memphis was it the tip of the food, chain.
Speaker 2: Top of the food? Chain, YEAH i mean it was
Speaker 2: what was just to be, Clear New? York, yeah in, Wrestling, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i would say, so, yeah, okay, yeah short of Like,
Speaker 2: japan which was just starting.
Speaker 3: To well what about what About? Mini what About?
Speaker 2: Minnesota M, yeah well, paid well paying, territory easy. SCHEDULE
Speaker 2: i think if you if you were to like netted
Speaker 2: out as like for hours worked so to, speak days,
Speaker 2: Worked minneapolis paid as well As New, york But New
Speaker 2: york paid the. HIGHEST i, See, yeah it's pretty WELL
Speaker 2: i think accepted that was the.
Speaker 3: Case so, yeah you have you.
Speaker 2: Have to pay a lot of money for These southern
Speaker 2: boys to go deal with the. Snow IF i An
Speaker 2: Austin idol said fuck, this it's just too much, snow
Speaker 2: as Did Jack brisco and so many others over the.
Speaker 2: Years but uh, so there it is the linkage Between,
Speaker 2: memphis The, docs And New. York did he Mention georgia
Speaker 2: there at? All Boss? No why so? Strange in, fact
Speaker 2: in his first, book he he, says, quote there was
Speaker 2: also a short period of time in nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 2: WHEN i worked for a promoter Named Jim. Barnett nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: Eight you did not wrestle a single match in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah elsewhere in your own books you talk about how
Speaker 2: you took nineteen seventy eight off to Hit Cocoa beach
Speaker 2: With Ed. Leslie WHAT i, mean, why what's up With?
Speaker 2: Georgia it's clear as day that, he after this hiatus From,
Speaker 2: memphis went to work For georgia Before New. York as
Speaker 2: he Writes Jim, barnett who worked out Of atlanta for
Speaker 2: The National Wrestling, alliance the biggest wrestling organization in the
Speaker 2: world at the. Time Jim barnett was openly, gay flamboyantly.
Speaker 2: Gay he took one look at me with my tan
Speaker 2: and my muscles and my long blonde, hair, said oh my,
Speaker 2: God i'm gonna call You, sterling my, Boy Stirling. Golden,
Speaker 2: Yes so WHEN i wrestled For Jim, BARNETT i Was Sterling.
Speaker 2: Golden so there you. Go that's the. Name it's not
Speaker 2: From Ron. Fuller it didn't exist before. This WHEN i
Speaker 2: wrestled For lawler And, GARD i Was terry The Hope.
Speaker 2: Boulder but no matter what NAME i, used one thing
Speaker 2: stayed the. SAME i wasn't making very much. MONEY i
Speaker 2: was wrestling seven days a, week which translated into ten
Speaker 2: or eleven matches too And, wednesday, two One, saturday and
Speaker 2: two On. Sunday and the biggest CHECK i ever got
Speaker 2: for a whole week was one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 2: DOLLARS i DON'T i do not believe. That in, fact
Speaker 2: did we have we had a check where he got
Speaker 2: more than? That, yeah for the week ending whatever it.
Speaker 2: Was what was that.
Speaker 3: Amount i'm gonna find. It i'm going a spiteful mood right.
Speaker 3: Now BUT i mean we also know he was Making
Speaker 3: someone talked about making eight hundred bucks In.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did In.
Speaker 3: Memphis he. Did.
Speaker 2: Yeah in his own, book his second, book he talked about,
Speaker 2: that AND i think this is his first book That
Speaker 2: i'm reading from.
Speaker 6: Here it.
Speaker 2: IS i, mean, god, man what the? Fuck, Uh i'm
Speaker 2: gonna get the check right? Now you want to play? Games?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: RIGHT i mean we're talking about literal. Receipts, yes.
Speaker 2: Exactly we're to see the Homie matt who wouldn't miss a? Trick,
Speaker 2: Yeah may twenty Sixth, Okay charett well Ch enterprises checks
Speaker 2: four hundred ninety seven Dollars may twenty six for the
Speaker 2: week Ending may twenty.
Speaker 3: Fourth.
Speaker 2: Member we were wondering what w SLASH e. Was, yes that's.
Speaker 2: Weekending according to an Enterprising Solar system member who, Wrote,
Speaker 2: okay what about that, Check, terry does that not count
Speaker 2: the biggest check you ever? Got it checks like almost
Speaker 2: three times as. Much that got tired in a, hurry,
Speaker 2: brother after every one of my little RUNS i got
Speaker 2: home In. Tampa i'll wait for one of my promoters
Speaker 2: to call. Me finally one TIME i went home and stayed.
Speaker 2: Home as far AS i was, CONCERNED i was done
Speaker 2: with professional, wrestling and, Yes. Melzer meltzer helps it make some,
Speaker 2: SENSE i. Think in his obituary For, terry he recalls
Speaker 2: In july of seventy nine an angle On MEMPHIS, tv
Speaker 2: which we watched last time on The Complete Hull. Coogan
Speaker 2: We're Ron bass And Pete austin were beating. Down Eddie
Speaker 2: boulder did a promo calling his big brother The hulkin
Speaker 2: to help. Him they had a tag team. Feud terry
Speaker 2: ended up kind of splintering off and Challenging Ron bass
Speaker 2: many times for The southern title full time in the
Speaker 2: Territory meltzer right through Early september When Terry funk hooked
Speaker 2: him up With. Barnett now see that makes a lot
Speaker 2: more sense because you, Know terry was much more of
Speaker 2: an EMISSARY i think for The atlanta office And Jim
Speaker 2: barnett kind of at the highest peak of THE, nwa
Speaker 2: like Cause barnett was booking out while he you, know
Speaker 2: was Booking, georgia not the whole. Country he was booking
Speaker 2: out THE Nwa world, Champion Jim barnett was the guy to.
Speaker 2: See he was the guy negotiating the dates for the
Speaker 2: world champion and who got DIBs on him and collecting
Speaker 2: at ten percent or whatever the booking fee. Was for
Speaker 2: all intents and, Purposes Jim barnett was THE nwa powerbroker
Speaker 2: at that point in, time and the champion was very
Speaker 2: much concentrated In, georgia which is why When dusty Hit
Speaker 2: GEORGIA tv he won the. Belt Tommy rich had that
Speaker 2: title win all of a, sudden it was, like if
Speaker 2: you were on That georgia, television you were the biggest
Speaker 2: star in THE. Nwa even if there were a, huge you,
Speaker 2: know swaths of this country that had never even heard of,
Speaker 2: you you were in contention and. Consideration so that makes
Speaker 2: that makes a little more. Sense not That Terry funk
Speaker 2: hooked him up With vince, McMahon which you Know Hull
Speaker 2: cogan said was the, case but that he actually hooked
Speaker 2: him up With Jim barnett because he goes to work
Speaker 2: For georgia. First meltzer, Writes funk Talked Jim barnett into
Speaker 2: bringing him Into. Georgia But Ole, Anderson barnett's, booker always
Speaker 2: said he wasn't impressed and claimed he fired him hogand
Speaker 2: that sounds about that makes. Sense we will certainly get,
Speaker 2: there ladies and. Gentlemen just Because hogan doesn't PLACE gcw
Speaker 2: in his career trajectory doesn't mean we will fail to
Speaker 2: on that fucking complete. Okay hogan claimed the same and
Speaker 2: told a story about quitting wrestling and working in the
Speaker 2: loading docks In tampa Until Terry funk got him INTO.
Speaker 2: Wwf meltzer, writes of, course none of that was, true
Speaker 2: as would be the case of much of What hogan
Speaker 2: said over the, years including in his first autobiography that
Speaker 2: was largely, fiction as were most of his. Interviews but
Speaker 2: he understood how to talk to people to like, him
Speaker 2: and as he spoke softly acting, sincere he understood how
Speaker 2: to Be Hulk hogan the character to the, media and
Speaker 2: how to be Sincere Hulk, hogan with his ability to
Speaker 2: admit wrestling wasn't totally, real disarming them thinking that they
Speaker 2: were talking to an honest person since he was betraying
Speaker 2: the biggest covenant of the wrestling. Business thus they would
Speaker 2: believe his other. Fiction one voice we haven't heard from
Speaker 2: remembering this sort of hiatus from the business is Ed.
Speaker 2: LESLIE i mean he's tied at the hip To hulk
Speaker 2: Through memphis on. Through certainly he'd remember what happened we
Speaker 2: turned out to his, book we wrestled around a, bit
Speaker 2: but things were a little tough and the cash just
Speaker 2: wasn't coming. In terry decided then again to quit wrestling
Speaker 2: FOR us for a, time bummed out that he wasn't
Speaker 2: making very much. Money not knowing what to, DO i
Speaker 2: suggested we go back to the. DOCK i suggested we
Speaker 2: go back to the.
Speaker 5: Docks.
Speaker 2: OH i didn't even know that Ed leslie worked the,
Speaker 2: docks BUT i guess he was part of. It where
Speaker 2: we quote could really make some good cash pouring concrete
Speaker 2: and loading big cargo. Ships the money was. Good we
Speaker 2: went from making something like one hundred and twenty a
Speaker 2: week wrestling to seven hundred or eight hundred dollars after
Speaker 2: our brief run. There in the NBA's The Boulder, brothers
Speaker 2: they're Champion Terry. Funk, okay so here he. Comes Terry
Speaker 2: funk took a liking to me At. Boulder he likened
Speaker 2: my naive rookie ways and my beautiful flowing hair to
Speaker 2: that of a ditzy, blonde so he called Me. Dizzy
Speaker 2: so apparently that's Where Dizzy boulder comes. From the boys
Speaker 2: in the back thought it was, funny SO i went with,
Speaker 2: it playing off the idea that we were truly. BROTHERS
Speaker 2: i sometimes wrestled As Dizzy, Boulder Dizzy, hogan ending on
Speaker 2: what our last name was whatever town we were working.
Speaker 2: IN i can even be seen from time to time
Speaker 2: in results or videos. Online around nineteen seventy, nine perhaps
Speaker 2: wrestling under the Name Dizzy Golden terry wrestled As Sterling
Speaker 2: golden For Jim, barnett who was fascinated with his golden. Tan, right,
Speaker 2: okay when he wrestled, nothing when he wrestled with that
Speaker 2: name for The, fullers and he. Did, okay there's Ed
Speaker 2: leslie saying That Hulk hogan wrestled As Sterling golden for The.
Speaker 3: Fullers obviously it's, true so stop turning to.
Speaker 2: NIGHT i also took the surname as his brother in
Speaker 2: the territory In, pensacola AND i remember we established this
Speaker 2: earlier in the complete while it's talked about like Ed
Speaker 2: leslie went To, Pensacola Gulf Coast southeastern With hulk in
Speaker 2: early seventy nine and was tag teaming with him from
Speaker 2: the very, beginning perhaps even as a dry run For.
Speaker 2: Memphis there's no results anywhere Of Ed leslie wrestling For
Speaker 2: Ron fuller when hulkat has run With andre And harley
Speaker 2: and all the. Rest no record of it at. All
Speaker 2: there is a record Of ed coming back After terry
Speaker 2: Left alabama in nineteen eighty and wrestling Is Ed boulder
Speaker 2: all around the horn teaming With Ron. Fuller clearly they're
Speaker 2: Using Ed leslie to try to replace the void That
Speaker 2: Terry bolea left when he went to clean our. Pastures
Speaker 2: SO i don't even know where to start on all that,
Speaker 2: shit but clearly the degree to Which Ed boulder capitalized
Speaker 2: On Terry boulders success In alabama happened subsequent to all,
Speaker 2: this not before. It In, Pensacola Leslie Wright Sterling golden
Speaker 2: Defeated Bob route for THE Nwa Southeastern heavyweight title in
Speaker 2: The Northern, division even though he dropped it a month
Speaker 2: later To Bob. Armstrong it was a great exposure for
Speaker 2: us as a. Team after this, run we had a
Speaker 2: little dry, spell so we took to some of the
Speaker 2: odd jobs THAT i used to do back In, Tampa
Speaker 2: okay after this. Run so you now that puts us
Speaker 2: at the end of seventy, nine and there was absolutely
Speaker 2: no break For hope to be working the docks at that.
Speaker 2: Point as we'll get, to he was fully on the
Speaker 2: road with THE wwf in nineteen. Eighty there is truly
Speaker 2: no looking. Back, yes, YES i mean what the people
Speaker 2: who were collecting and collating results OF wwf shows were
Speaker 2: more stalking you And i'm just reading what they. Reported
Speaker 2: but guess we are now reaching the point where your,
Speaker 2: Career terry is well documented enough that there is nowhere to,
Speaker 2: hide AND i know that that alarms.
Speaker 3: You make me who's? Hiding Brother? Sam what?
Speaker 2: Hide and?
Speaker 4: RANK i?
Speaker 2: Mean so we took some of the odd JOBS i
Speaker 2: used to do back In. Tampa terry funk Ed leslie,
Speaker 2: writes heard that we were moonlighting and figured manual labor
Speaker 2: was a. Waste that is when he introduced us to
Speaker 2: The New York territory Promoter Vincent jay McMahon. Sr who
Speaker 2: is the father of The vincement and you c today
Speaker 2: ON tv with THE. Wwe terry got his bags together
Speaker 2: and took a flight To New. York so that's his
Speaker 2: version of the story At leslie's.
Speaker 3: Why you why you work in manual, labor who said
Speaker 3: that was a good. Idea, absolutely what get me the
Speaker 3: hell out of. Town i'm not manually.
Speaker 2: Working, funker annually, working or working Manual fernandez or any
Speaker 2: of the other many manuals that we could be. Working
Speaker 2: but suffice to, say that's what we're going to be
Speaker 2: able to discern from collating existing. Materials now your co
Speaker 2: chairs are prepared to move down To. Georgia, okay we're
Speaker 2: prepared to go down to The Peach state and get
Speaker 2: a sense of What Hull cogan was able to do
Speaker 2: down there As Sterling. Golden and again it's extremely clear
Speaker 2: from the chronology of his career that this is what
Speaker 2: he did after Leaving, memphis taking a brief hiatus and
Speaker 2: coming back it was To Georgia Championship. Wrestling and fortunately for,
Speaker 2: us on the COMPLETE. Hulll, cogan there is a decent
Speaker 2: amount of footage that survives Of Terry bolea talking and
Speaker 2: wrestling ON wtbs in those studios and, beyond and so
Speaker 2: there you have. It as we as we point our our,
Speaker 2: mast there a couple of things we still got to talk.
Speaker 2: About the Mule we still got to talk About Danny,
Speaker 2: brower because if we're going to Leave tampa, behind we
Speaker 2: got to remember That Danny brower was among the people
Speaker 2: That terry would call upon on visits back to the,
Speaker 2: homestead and the real impact That Danny brower would have
Speaker 2: in the real role he would Playing hulkoke and. Story,
Speaker 2: really it's not A summer of sixty nine. Thing it's
Speaker 2: not a summer of seventy nine thing as we've been
Speaker 2: talking about all these. Weeks it's more a summer of
Speaker 2: eighty nine. Thing and we got plenty of time to
Speaker 2: get to, that but suffice to say for, Now Danny
Speaker 2: brower grew up In South. Tampa he goes back to
Speaker 2: sixty four With Eddie graham because his grandfather lived across
Speaker 2: the street from him in a trailer park Called Palm
Speaker 2: Beach court On West Shore, boulevard and there was a
Speaker 2: big lagoon over, there and his grandparents remembered Watching Eddie
Speaker 2: graham out in the lagoon with his fishing. Nets his
Speaker 2: grandparents moved Behind Paul. Avenue Paul avenue was the street
Speaker 2: That Terry bullya grew up. On boss M he Remembers.
Speaker 2: Terry they play softball the trailers had three, rows and
Speaker 2: they'd get together at the trailer park and play softball.
Speaker 2: Together he Remembers Mike graham as the son of Neighbor Eddie,
Speaker 2: graham as a nitty bitty kid three years older Than Danny.
Speaker 2: Brower Was Mike. Graham he remembers one time he And
Speaker 2: terry were hanging, out or he was hanging, OUT i.
Speaker 2: Guess Danny brower was hanging out at a store that
Speaker 2: used to sell cookies and crackers and big glass, jars
Speaker 2: and there was a little tussle With Mike graham And
Speaker 2: mike Grabbed Danny. Brower he went to, walk he wouldn't
Speaker 2: move out of the, way so they bumped into each.
Speaker 2: Other So Mike, graham according To Danny, bauer grabbed him
Speaker 2: and they crashed into this glass. Thing you, Know i'm
Speaker 2: Picturing gower's drug store right, now you, KNOW i, yes
Speaker 2: as you. Should cookies. EVERYWHERE a guy threw them. Out
Speaker 2: he was scared to death Of Mike, graham and one
Speaker 2: around the back hid in the palm, trees just stayed
Speaker 2: there so we could see. Him he wasn't scared Of Mike,
Speaker 2: GRAHAM i. Know so we're starting to starting to get
Speaker 2: the sense this is all As Danny brower told to
Speaker 2: our Friend Brad, bluccian starting to get a sense that
Speaker 2: he's living a very parallel life growing up In. Tampa
Speaker 2: one may ask where Does Terry boleya's story end And
Speaker 2: Danny brower's. Begin later in high, school they run Into Mike,
Speaker 2: Graham terry And danny And Danny Tellell's brad That mike
Speaker 2: and his buddies used to go by The Junior. Mafia
Speaker 2: that was the name of their. Clique Oh, junior my.
Speaker 2: God presumably they were juniors At Robinson High school and
Speaker 2: there was A jb football game one. Time and, here
Speaker 2: as everyone gathers around at this football, game we get
Speaker 2: a sense of the simmering tensions that might explain The
Speaker 2: tampa discord for so many years later Between Terry bolea
Speaker 2: And Mike. Graham he remembers that they were at THIS
Speaker 2: jv football game and they didn't back. Down they didn't
Speaker 2: back down at. All Here Danny, brower in conversation With Brad,
Speaker 2: blucian talks about this encounter With Mike graham THAT i
Speaker 2: think adds a whole lot more color and detail to
Speaker 2: why this guy was such a bugaboo To Terry boleya
Speaker 2: his whole.
Speaker 7: Life but uh so we're just we're like standing there
Speaker 7: and it's near the. Concession there's people all. Over we're
Speaker 7: on the track and here the, here the There's mike
Speaker 7: AND i can't remember, EXACTLY i Know i'm in my
Speaker 7: savior might have been one of those GUY i think
Speaker 7: his name Was steve, McCall a couple of other guys
Speaker 7: and they come walking and it's the, music And terry's
Speaker 7: tall and he's, big but in my shrut and he
Speaker 7: just walks right And terry doesn't. Move he just walks
Speaker 7: into him and he like spins around there the GUY
Speaker 7: i moved but it Wasn't, mike AND i don't remember
Speaker 7: what it, was But i'm just, like where's this? Going
Speaker 7: And mike and then they turn around but he doesn't say,
Speaker 7: anything and we just send her and we didn't, right
Speaker 7: and then they went on and really we were kind of,
Speaker 7: like fuck Was? Mike but, yeah it was like a.
Speaker 7: TEST i so like a little, thing but it was
Speaker 7: kind of a in that click deal and.
Speaker 2: So there it is the confrontation where they bang into each.
Speaker 2: Other hulk's not giving ground To mike grab And mike
Speaker 2: did apparently doesn't take very kindly to. That he Remembers
Speaker 2: mike was senior When danny was in ninth. Grade you
Speaker 2: Remember Steve kern And Dick slater also all went To.
Speaker 2: Robinson he, says you, know they all just kind of
Speaker 2: look down on a lot of these, guys these younger
Speaker 2: guys like. Himself but you, Know Danny brower's parents Knew
Speaker 2: ruth And pete from The Bowling. Alley they would go
Speaker 2: To panorama together and get to know each other that.
Speaker 2: Way this is the same bowling alley That hulk's friend
Speaker 2: and friend of the, Show Vic pettitt right there we,
Speaker 2: go and they would they would meet at the Bowling
Speaker 2: alley and it was, there it was there as a,
Speaker 2: child over near the pinball mash machines That Danny brower
Speaker 2: Met Terry Bully.
Speaker 7: And that's kind of me And terry got to know
Speaker 7: each other playing the pinball machines one. Day AND i
Speaker 7: wold you that was eighth. Grade he's in ninth. Grade
Speaker 7: this will be nineteen sixty. EIGHT i remember we one
Speaker 7: got To hendrick's album AND i THOUGHT i was a
Speaker 7: pretty hot shot guitar, player and so we're sitting, there we're.
Speaker 7: Talking we're at the pinball, machines and we're talking about
Speaker 7: guitars and all, that and he and at the time
Speaker 7: he had a ship box guitar AND i had a
Speaker 7: ship box, guitar AND i had A penny's. Amp and
Speaker 7: he said he had a Band, master And i'm, like
Speaker 7: you got A fender Band. Master so next THING i,
Speaker 7: know we're over at his. House. Now what was the
Speaker 7: finball machine at the bowling? Alley, YEAH i was a ship.
Speaker 7: AHOY i had to play it all day on a.
Speaker 7: Quarter you just win games all day long.
Speaker 5: And stay right.
Speaker 7: There nobody could get the. MACHINE i don't, know four
Speaker 7: or five. MACHINES i had a shooting gallery. Too you
Speaker 7: can do the same thing shooting the. Ducks you get
Speaker 7: nineteen out of twenty all. Day so what that age
Speaker 7: Was terry already? Big, yeah he hadn't worked out and
Speaker 7: he got on a football team and. Quit he heard.
Speaker 7: Us he Didn't dad didn't want him to. Play he
Speaker 7: was a great baseball. Player he just hit the ball.
Speaker 5: There he was all.
Speaker 7: Everything everything coming up because this was after we. Met
Speaker 7: his dad got me on their baseball. TEAM i didn't like.
Speaker 7: Baseball BECAUSE i got cracked in the face with a
Speaker 7: ball in the street playing that shiftball stuff WHEN i was,
Speaker 7: Little SO i couldn't field. BALLS i was scared to.
Speaker 7: DEATH i could. HIT i didn't like. Playing but so
Speaker 7: he went back to that day when you Met terry
Speaker 7: and he went back to his. House so wentto his
Speaker 7: house and he and he actually heard another. Guitar so
Speaker 7: we're playing guitars. Again that's how we made everything in the.
Speaker 7: World he's got a tender bandmaster and he's going to
Speaker 7: take lessons In Arthur. Smiths So i'm, Thinking i'm a
Speaker 7: pretty hot shot guitar. Player and we got over there
Speaker 7: And terry starts doing all these riffs and he could read.
Speaker 6: Music and all that.
Speaker 7: TOO i. COULDN'T i just was. HERE i never took
Speaker 7: the time to do. It it was all his ear.
Speaker 7: Stuff and so what we did was and then our you,
Speaker 7: know being we were hanging. Out we would, UH i
Speaker 7: would take the bus home with him At Monroe Junior
Speaker 7: High school and then my dad would pick me up
Speaker 7: around seven or six or. So actually he picked me
Speaker 7: up at Our smiths BECAUSE i go there and we
Speaker 7: would go. There we put our hours. Together it was
Speaker 7: like Two bucks, right and there was a guy Named
Speaker 7: Mike reisac who was in the opposite sexist band or
Speaker 7: Two guys and Two girls was the real famous by local.
Speaker 7: Band bands were a big thing back, then but before
Speaker 7: all the DJs and everything and live, music you, know
Speaker 7: that was. Happening so we started Taking what we would
Speaker 7: do is we would we would go in and give
Speaker 7: him a list of stuff we wanted to. Learn and
Speaker 7: that's When Grand funk and all of him were coming
Speaker 7: out And Blues image and.
Speaker 12: Oh just a, lot and he could pick up. Anything
Speaker 12: fan wrestling, podcast he's The lapsed Fan wrestling podcast With JACK.
Speaker 5: N s and J.
Speaker 2: Pisarro so he's Watching terry developing a quite a guitar
Speaker 2: player after you, know getting well known in little league
Speaker 2: for hitting them over the goddamn lights and looking like
Speaker 2: the coaches and the pictures interesting. There he says That
Speaker 2: terry was on the football, team but it was his
Speaker 2: father who didn't want him to. Play where his old we,
Speaker 2: watched remember we watched the stories of growing up where,
Speaker 2: yes he never wanted to be on the team and
Speaker 2: he and they were he was a heel for not
Speaker 2: wanting to be on the team when in, fact he.
Speaker 2: Wasn't he was in fact on the team in junior.
Speaker 2: High according To Danny, brower so lies, lies you have, Truths,
Speaker 2: yeah things being left. Out but, yeah so big baseball
Speaker 2: guy Was. Pete you. Know they would go to The
Speaker 2: Cincinnati reds farm club together in spring training to get.
Speaker 2: Autographs he remembers all this stuff about growing up With,
Speaker 2: terry and at a certain point in time he knows
Speaker 2: that he had fucked up me from, football And danny
Speaker 2: kind of conflates that with the hero metsuit a story a.
Speaker 2: Bit it's Like terry was already on a bad wheel like,
Speaker 2: that and he never never heard that matsuit actually broke his.
Speaker 2: Leg it's kind of funny to hear that get broached
Speaker 2: and he's, like never wasn't. Broken he said they would
Speaker 2: tie you up in, knots but his knee had already
Speaker 2: been fucked up from football and he never had an
Speaker 2: operation to fix. It that's.
Speaker 3: Right so that's, that And, jesus all these fucking they'll fall,
Speaker 3: apart you know on one. Reference it's like you when
Speaker 3: you get when you get real people talking about this. Shit, Yeah,
Speaker 3: hey this guy's a worker. TOO i, mean he was a,
Speaker 3: wrestler but he. DOESN'T i don't think he's aware of
Speaker 3: the lore around some of this stuff that he's kind of,
Speaker 3: contradicting which is to our advantage of. Course but, Yeah
Speaker 3: so as things developed and they got involved more in
Speaker 3: the band, playing he remembers some, uh at one point
Speaker 3: his grandparents had moved and built a cabana field in the,
Speaker 3: back and that's where they started practicing their music when
Speaker 3: they were fifteen or, whatever and there was a guy
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood he remembers named Chet yoakam who had
Speaker 3: a set of drums and joined, them and some lady
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood heard them playing music when they were
Speaker 3: fifteen and thought that they were really good and wanted to,
Speaker 3: actually you, know represent them and get them and manage
Speaker 3: them and getting them involved in playing. Music so he
Speaker 3: was there from the very, beginning but he never is.
Speaker 3: Mentioned Daddy. Brower he goes back to The Plastic Pleasure,
Speaker 3: palace the name of the very first high school band
Speaker 3: That Terry blea participated. In that's how far back he.
Speaker 3: Went they didn't have a singer that they would, play
Speaker 3: and eventually that kind of bled Into infinity's end because
Speaker 3: they were playing two and he. Was that's when when
Speaker 3: they started playing the frat parties AT usf and, stuff
Speaker 3: And terry was the lead, player and it was kind
Speaker 3: of chaos for them at that. Age But Danny brower,
Speaker 3: says you, Know terry carried the, band to be honest with,
Speaker 3: you and they were very good for kids and booked.
Speaker 3: Solid and you went through all the stuff about how
Speaker 3: they'd get fined if they didn't wear socks or if
Speaker 3: their hair wasn't, cut And terry would get fined all
Speaker 3: the time because he wouldn't cut his. Hair that's all stood,
Speaker 3: up so to, speak By Danny brower's, recollections and the
Speaker 3: summer of sixty nine was a hell of a. Summer
Speaker 3: terry turned. Sixteen he was a year Behind Danny brower,
Speaker 3: was and he Remembers terry in his teenage years just
Speaker 3: wanting to do everything he wanted to go with the
Speaker 3: extra mile with what he, did hitting them over the.
Speaker 3: Lights danny thought he was a hot shot guitar. Player
Speaker 3: and then he goes over his house And Jesus, christ
Speaker 3: this guy has got all the greatest equipment in the
Speaker 3: world and he's going harder than to get every hope
Speaker 3: to go as a. Guitarist he wanted to shave his,
Speaker 3: head he, remembers or something like. That he wanted to
Speaker 3: Clim he Remembers terry saying he wanted to Climb Mount
Speaker 3: everest at that. Age wow Remembers terry saying he wanted
Speaker 3: to try out for The university Of tampa football. Team
Speaker 3: at that, age he had good looking, girlfriends one girl Named.
Speaker 3: Debbie when he had the, ford he'd pick him up after.
Speaker 3: School debbie lived near. Him another another one Named, brenda
Speaker 3: who was really good. Looking they were together a long.
Speaker 3: Time and When terry got his, car his birthday's coming,
Speaker 3: up and it's, summer and he's a, sophomore And Danny
Speaker 3: brower's a, freshman And terry's going to get his license
Speaker 3: during that summer In, august and brow remembers That terry's
Speaker 3: parents bought him a nineteen sixty Five fara lane two.
Speaker 3: Seater and this is like the month before he turned.
Speaker 3: Sixteen and it's here THAT i Think Danny brower gives
Speaker 3: us a real.
Speaker 2: Gift how about some. Foreshadowing how about the son repeats
Speaker 2: the sins of the. Father, oh how About terry gets
Speaker 2: behind the wheel at a young age and crashes the
Speaker 2: car into a palm.
Speaker 7: Drum and, well, anyway so we got in abandon all,
Speaker 7: that and we're having his summer And terry's, birthday and
Speaker 7: for some, reason we take the car out and we
Speaker 7: see a guy Named Don. Satterwhite there were twins and
Speaker 7: they lived in the neighborhood Down Ballast. Point and we
Speaker 7: see down and pick him. Up we're gonna take him. Home,
Speaker 7: now this car had while he got the, car he
Speaker 7: had put a shifter in. It he had a three
Speaker 7: speed on the floor to like a. Gimmut he had
Speaker 7: like a barefoot gas, fellow and got a sharing. Wheel
Speaker 7: but he got these chrome reverse wheels on the back
Speaker 7: with firestone white. Holes on the. Front he had regular
Speaker 7: wheels with white, holes but he had little moons on. Them,
Speaker 7: look you, know for the for what you could buy back.
Speaker 7: Then but he was already jazzing it. Up and we
Speaker 7: had we were making money on the. Weekends you, know
Speaker 7: the guys were bagging groceries for seventy five, cents and you,
Speaker 7: know on a WEEKEND i could make sixty. Bucks who
Speaker 7: were going and playing to. Night, anyway so we Hit
Speaker 7: donnau and we're going to take him home and we're
Speaker 7: going up he lived Near Ballast Point Elementary. School and
Speaker 7: we're going up McDill and there's a road that goes
Speaker 7: off in a shell and it goes it's it's it's
Speaker 7: going to end up on Ballast, point but it goes
Speaker 7: aways and then it curves And terry gets on it
Speaker 7: and he's over his. Head just happened in the boat one.
Speaker 7: Time this is later. ON i knew he's over his,
Speaker 7: head BUT i probably shouldn't tell you. That, Anyway we
Speaker 7: get into that corner AND i know, it and all
Speaker 7: of a, SUDDEN i see the mailbox coming in my
Speaker 7: head and it hit the back corner of the.
Speaker 5: Car we're.
Speaker 7: Sliding don's in the back seat and it slid and
Speaker 7: it hit a tree and came back across the road
Speaker 7: and hit another palm tree on the end in the
Speaker 7: front wheel dug in and it broke and we ALL
Speaker 7: i Think don was shaking. UP i was on kind
Speaker 7: of on the, floor And terry's like almost on top of.
Speaker 7: Me and it happened. Fast you, know we're very. Lucky
Speaker 7: he is a. Crank is your car cranks it? Smoking
Speaker 7: and he cranks?
Speaker 5: Back then, no he cranks the car he's trying the drivers.
Speaker 7: And we got so we're trying to come up with
Speaker 7: a story that caught the of, course some neighbors and
Speaker 7: all outside and all the stuff down, there and we
Speaker 7: And don scared down ran. Home he just shook, like,
Speaker 7: oh you got up with a story about there's a
Speaker 7: dog or some stuff and run around with the wheels
Speaker 7: and they're, like there's no dog. Around so did the
Speaker 7: wheel actually come off the? Car it didn't come, off
Speaker 7: but the a frame. Broke its slammed like when it
Speaker 7: hit the when it hit and then slid and when
Speaker 7: it's slamming here and there was a telephone hole and
Speaker 7: a palm tree and we hit the palm tree about
Speaker 7: where the wheels are and it dug in the. Ground
Speaker 7: so and when it, did the wheel was like. This
Speaker 7: it had to be told all. That so so whatever
Speaker 7: that parents, say, oh it was all a big freak,
Speaker 7: out but they work it. Out AND i know it
Speaker 7: was a big deal about. It and we were and
Speaker 7: we were playing somewhere that. Night we were late as,
Speaker 7: hell and, no but where in the hell are?
Speaker 3: They boom?
Speaker 2: Boom can you believe? It he crashes into a palm.
Speaker 2: Tree it's, like, yes exactly what happened To. NICK i,
Speaker 2: mean he's not drag, racing BUT i. Can, Yes i'm
Speaker 2: not surprised one. Bit he's rolling up To nick's accident
Speaker 2: in sight having. Flashbacks you, know it's. Crazy this guy
Speaker 2: knows too, Much no wonder he was never talked about
Speaker 2: another early episode that he was into With Danny brower
Speaker 2: that might inform quite a bit of another future controversy
Speaker 2: around a certain racial, epithet maybe or at least interracial.
Speaker 2: Relations it was one that he conveyed TO.
Speaker 7: I stopping to See ruth AND i don't see his
Speaker 7: car back then he didn't Have.
Speaker 2: Oh that's just a different. One we'll hit that in a.
Speaker 2: Second so here they. Are they're they're running together again
Speaker 2: at one of these football games where all the trouble
Speaker 2: seems to, happen and they're running to a, crew and
Speaker 2: we get maybe a little bit of a glimpse into
Speaker 2: where some Of terry's racial animis stems.
Speaker 7: From we got jumped At Tampas stayum once and you,
Speaker 7: KNOW i lost the tooth AND i watched him get
Speaker 7: his ass. Beat that's when his father was picking us,
Speaker 7: up and we're in front of after it was, over
Speaker 7: there was a high school jamboree all the high, schools
Speaker 7: so that had to be sixty nine because they dropped
Speaker 7: us off and his dad was going to pick us
Speaker 7: up like eleven o'clock at Al Locust field on whatever
Speaker 7: that road. Is so we had the, stadium well it's
Speaker 7: where it is, Now, well, no it was, here the
Speaker 7: old one, was or maybe said, NO i don't. Know
Speaker 7: you had to sit in the north end and Now
Speaker 7: Little pittsfield was, out so we had to walk across
Speaker 7: the parking. Lot next thing you, know there's like ten
Speaker 7: twelve black guys all around us and we don't know
Speaker 7: what's going. On we're high school. Kids guys had this
Speaker 7: white suit. On he hey, Man i'll never forget. This
Speaker 7: and he, said, hey you got a? Cigarette, MAN i got,
Speaker 7: one BUT i need another. ONE i Remember terry popping
Speaker 7: off like, no we don't, smoke. Man they said. Something
Speaker 7: and then he's, like, well hey, man you got cash
Speaker 7: SO i can buy. Something and next, THING i, know
Speaker 7: some something that hit me in the back of the,
Speaker 7: head not me right on my, ass AND i remember
Speaker 7: looking up and they were just all over, chair AND
Speaker 7: i remember and there were little. Guys there were some
Speaker 7: little guys jumping around kill the white. Motherfuckers and these
Speaker 7: guys were probably in their, twenties and there were people,
Speaker 7: around but nobody came, over and they were AND i
Speaker 7: just remember they were all over, him and THEN i
Speaker 7: was looking and the summits kicked me in the, face
Speaker 7: AND i don't remember anything after. That and then BUT
Speaker 7: i Remember terry getting a shot in a guy going
Speaker 7: down and they're all over him and he's just like,
Speaker 7: failing and next thing you, know it's over and they're all.
Speaker 7: Running and how all these people are running over, too
Speaker 7: is what.
Speaker 5: Happened what.
Speaker 7: Happened and then his dad saw something going. On his
Speaker 7: dad's down in the car and he's all freaked. OUT
Speaker 7: i didn't want my mom to know about, it And
Speaker 7: i'm all fucked, up and so, anyway it kind of
Speaker 7: why did they attack?
Speaker 1: You no?
Speaker 7: Reason just out of the. Boot there's neighborhoods over, there
Speaker 7: and you, KNOW i, remember you, know later on it
Speaker 7: WAS i don't know the times or, whatever because we go,
Speaker 7: BACK i can, remember and this would be the armory
Speaker 7: and the fair grounds because they are like colored bathrooms
Speaker 7: and white, bathrooms colored water fountains in white at The
Speaker 7: armory at The armory and The Tapa, fairgrounds the Old
Speaker 7: fairgrounds in. Downtown you were kids going to growing up
Speaker 7: into the, sixties actually into the. SEVENTIES i THINK i
Speaker 7: can't remember exactly where it, started But Port camp had
Speaker 7: a black section and growing up where we all got.
Speaker 7: Along where was That Port? Camp it was all the
Speaker 7: southern end where you're out To Picnic, island that was
Speaker 7: the black section that. Was it's still there today and
Speaker 7: it's that land is worth more, money and you can.
Speaker 7: Imagine but those they had their own junior high.
Speaker 5: School they.
Speaker 7: Busted they went to a couple of junior high schools
Speaker 7: all the way across town on the other side of,
Speaker 7: downtown and they Had Blake High school Or Blake High
Speaker 7: school In Middletown High, School Burgert Junior high just three
Speaker 7: or four black junior highs around the. City but then
Speaker 7: in junior high we had. Some that was the first
Speaker 7: PLACE i saw seventh. Grade but we all became friends
Speaker 7: up through the ninth grade and all, that and into high.
Speaker 7: School you had black students in school with. Ye but
Speaker 7: they we got. Along we didn't plan had a lot of.
Speaker 7: Problems my senior, Year terry graduate year for. Me but
Speaker 7: my senior year they started. Bussing we had forty two.
Speaker 7: Buses we had fights and. Stuff they were busting black
Speaker 7: students into the. Year, yeah they closed down the high,
Speaker 7: schools had all that, changed and they brought in a
Speaker 7: whole bunch of black teachers and, everything and it was.
Speaker 7: Crazy it was hard for those. Students they got their
Speaker 7: high school taken away from. Them they pulled you, know
Speaker 7: everything we have now is all. Shared but it. Worked
Speaker 7: we had hell of the football. Team we went to
Speaker 7: state and the game was a. Disaster we played in
Speaker 7: all black schools And Fort. Pierce we pulled up and
Speaker 7: they turned the buses over for the band and they
Speaker 7: were beating up. Everybody we played in the stadium that
Speaker 7: had the stands went seven feet.
Speaker 5: High but that was just the.
Speaker 7: Time but but that thing THAT i remember that, Happened you,
Speaker 7: know that leads impressions on, you BECAUSE i remember later on,
Speaker 7: LIFE i can't. Remember you, know there was a big
Speaker 7: stink a couple of years ago about, oh he's a
Speaker 7: racist and all. This well people hadn't he's you had
Speaker 7: he said it with so many bad black people over the,
Speaker 7: Years i've never seen one sign of any racism or
Speaker 7: anything of what they, mentioned and he took so much
Speaker 7: grief And alway's burying this and he's in and out
Speaker 7: there full full of.
Speaker 2: Shit Danny browber, remembers, so oh, man that's, photography these
Speaker 2: flashpoints growing up that he remembers and brings to the.
Speaker 2: Table summer of. Seventy they're involved in. Music they're going
Speaker 2: to have some changes in the, band and he had
Speaker 2: no say. So Gary barris's dad called all the. Shots he.
Speaker 2: Remembers there's a lot of, turmoil And gary's dad ruled
Speaker 2: the band with the strict thumb and iron thumb in,
Speaker 2: fact AND i said it was good for the structure
Speaker 2: of the. Band but Eventually gary the various folks took,
Speaker 2: over such That Danny brower is kind of odd man
Speaker 2: out In infinity's end and he's no longer going to
Speaker 2: Be terry's. Bandmate he remembers a band called The surfers
Speaker 2: that wanted him to come over and play with them
Speaker 2: and be in that, band and he heard about it
Speaker 2: and he kind of jumped ship a little bit To
Speaker 2: Danny brower and left the Whole cook And friends circle
Speaker 2: for a little, while kind of got himself fired as a.
Speaker 2: Result From infinity's, end but he remembers they'd go to
Speaker 2: the matches growing up at The sportatorium he, remembers and
Speaker 2: The Tampa armory he, Remembers Paul jones And Buddy colt
Speaker 2: and one of those old timers he remembers Before dusty came,
Speaker 2: in they used to go buy wrestling magazine so they
Speaker 2: would know who the guys were going to be before
Speaker 2: they came Into, florida And danny remembers that When Dusty
Speaker 2: rhodes came in blowing through a championship wrestling From, florida
Speaker 2: nobody seemed to know who he was at, first but
Speaker 2: him And terry knew Who dusty was because they would
Speaker 2: read the wrestling, magazines WHICH i love to picture in my,
Speaker 2: Mind terry flipping through wrestling periodicals at the at the
Speaker 2: at the pharmacy or whatever In Port. Tampa that of
Speaker 2: course would have been the outlaw tag team That dusty
Speaker 2: had with The Dick murdoch before he turned face and
Speaker 2: lit the territory on. Fire, Eventually Danny, brower after splitting
Speaker 2: off From infinity's end and not playing music anymore With,
Speaker 2: terry gets into like the mini golf franchising business and
Speaker 2: gets a break at a pretty early age in that
Speaker 2: business and kind of starts to peel off a. Bit
Speaker 2: terry goes, off plays the music as we've talked about
Speaker 2: earlier in The Complete Hulk ogan and then eventually tries
Speaker 2: wrestling and visits With Hiro matsuda and the well documented
Speaker 2: story he ends up training with, him and at this
Speaker 2: point in, Time, brower you, know he had been such
Speaker 2: friends With hulk growing, up and you, know getting rides
Speaker 2: and stuff From hulk's parents and stuff that he Would
Speaker 2: he would actually just stop by sometimes and say hi To.
Speaker 2: Ruth and one, time one time he stopped by and
Speaker 2: who's recuperating In ruth's bed from a leg injury from.
Speaker 2: Training But Terry bully, WHAT.
Speaker 7: I stopped in to See ruth's AND i don't see
Speaker 7: his car. Nothing back then he didn't have The. Lincoln
Speaker 7: he had a, van but his van wasn't, there AND
Speaker 7: i just stopped AND i didn't have a lot of,
Speaker 7: time BUT i go up and in he then and
Speaker 7: she carries here And i'm, like what's going? On it's
Speaker 7: all beat up and, uh he's.
Speaker 5: Doing he's working with The bristos and being held.
Speaker 2: Out he's not bad and.
Speaker 7: So so he's in on his mom's. Bed he's in
Speaker 7: his mom's bedroom and, uh he's laying he can't get.
Speaker 7: Up he's Just i'll tell, you and he's starting he's telling,
Speaker 7: me And i'm And i'm kind of, like and, uh
Speaker 7: there's a Reason i'm telling you, this and AND i lasting,
Speaker 7: him why are you doing? Why but at the, time
Speaker 7: the wrestlers were like gods as we, saw you, know
Speaker 7: especially the reputation everything from the tamp. Office, well he
Speaker 7: got hooked up and make took him in and they're
Speaker 7: beating the ship.
Speaker 5: UP i, mean he's.
Speaker 7: Niece already fucked, up but his knees all fucking indigestion all.
Speaker 10: That he's, like look BUT i Got he's, LIKE i
Speaker 10: don't know how long he, goes but they're going to
Speaker 10: beat the hell on me every.
Speaker 7: Day But i'm going to be there every.
Speaker 2: DAY i Remember terry saying in his book that he'd
Speaker 2: have to sneak out of the house when his dad
Speaker 2: was at work so we wouldn't see that he got
Speaker 2: hurt training. Wrestling it does kind of add up that
Speaker 2: he would be there when Just ruth was. There but
Speaker 2: he also, says if you recall earlier from the journey
Speaker 2: that his dad also used to berate him on a
Speaker 2: daily basis for getting hurt and training and doing. This
Speaker 2: so you were either hiding from him at the cause
Speaker 2: at the crossway in or you. Weren't but that's apparently
Speaker 2: during one of those limping over to the house to
Speaker 2: get taken care of by mommy, Sessions Danny brower stopped
Speaker 2: by and there he was so a little. More you,
Speaker 2: know what we're bringing here is just an absolute bevy
Speaker 2: of first person experiences on all of these little touchdowns
Speaker 2: that we've established thus far in the Complete Hulk hogan
Speaker 2: through the eyes Of Danny, brower who will take us
Speaker 2: to Places visavi The hulkster that THAT i think are quite.
Speaker 2: Unexpected but we're still in the in the. Familiar we're
Speaker 2: still here In. Tampa and you, know one thing he
Speaker 2: said About Hulk. Hogan one thing he said About terry
Speaker 2: was that he was he was savvy and he could
Speaker 2: see he could See hulk developing the characteristics that that
Speaker 2: would come to benefit him. Later you know That hulk
Speaker 2: just knew how to how to work a. System, well
Speaker 2: there's one he's.
Speaker 7: Going back to those. Days he had a good sense
Speaker 7: like a business sense or, judge you. Know he HE
Speaker 7: i don't know if i'd say knew how to work the,
Speaker 7: system but he could work the, system and he knew.
Speaker 2: It and his brower himself gets into the. Business he,
Speaker 2: realizes you know, what there is a system here to be.
Speaker 7: Worked it takes a while to realize this is nothing
Speaker 7: but one Big.
Speaker 3: Carl, Brother CAN i replay that?
Speaker 2: One here we?
Speaker 13: Go, yes it takes a while to realize this is
Speaker 13: nothing but one Big. Carl and as you, know ed
Speaker 13: And fraud dropped back in on him and encourage him
Speaker 13: to get in shape and try. Wrestling he, does he.
Speaker 13: Tried Charlie lay first down at The, Spartatorium terry's old
Speaker 13: buddy in the front office there right when you walk
Speaker 13: in the front, door there he, is and, yeah Diddy
Speaker 13: brower walks. In at one point There's Charlie lay sitting
Speaker 13: there as he did all, day listening to his little
Speaker 13: am radio selling tickets to the shows at the. Temple
Speaker 13: sat outside for a, while not sure what to, do
Speaker 13: knowing that this is the same, place you know The
Speaker 13: terry went too and went through the meat grinder and
Speaker 13: ended up In mama's bed with his leg up remembers
Speaker 13: going in, there said how you doing and Telling Charlie,
Speaker 13: LAY i want to, wrestle And charlie said What, Dan he,
Speaker 13: said whatever you got to, DO i want to do.
Speaker 13: It Charlie lay just said get out of. Here brower,
Speaker 13: Said i'm, like, listen you don't UNDERSTAND i want to do,
Speaker 13: this and he's, like fuck you get the fuck out of.
Speaker 2: Here. Wow, Yes so we went out the door To
Speaker 2: Danny brower felt like he was going to go back,
Speaker 2: in but he remembers, thinking you, know and if you
Speaker 2: go back, in you're going to get your ass beat
Speaker 2: and you're still not going to get. Anywhere So Danny
Speaker 2: brower ended up training not with here a matsuit And
Speaker 2: Eddie graham and. Stuff at The. Sporatorum he trained With
Speaker 2: Professor Boris, malenko the same guy who stepped in front
Speaker 2: of The PLAN b cameras and told as many people
Speaker 2: that would see the videotape that he never had a
Speaker 2: real fight in his life and this is, all you,
Speaker 2: know complete. Bullshit that.
Speaker 7: Guy it takes a while to realize this is nothing
Speaker 7: but one big.
Speaker 2: Carl they took him to the gym in eighty, one
Speaker 2: Did terry And, eddie and it takes a.
Speaker 3: While once he takes a while to realize.
Speaker 2: That's a good. Question it's a good, point rather a
Speaker 2: very good, point and he trains for the business there.
Speaker 2: Instead and you, know he remembers going to The Imperial
Speaker 2: room and stuff like that and Just blinko tried telling
Speaker 2: him that you have no idea what the road is,
Speaker 2: like but he didn't hear a word of. It he
Speaker 2: wanted to follow in the footsteps of his of His tampa,
Speaker 2: Buddies Terry bolea in, particular he remembers the first time
Speaker 2: he did anything related to steroids was on his. Own
Speaker 2: Danny brower remembers meeting a guy at a at a
Speaker 2: golden gym In Saint. Pete the guy was a school
Speaker 2: teacher who worked part time at the gym and introduced
Speaker 2: him To Diana ball told him how it worked all,
Speaker 2: that and how he could get it all for. Him
Speaker 2: and he went from there to testosterone and learned how
Speaker 2: all this stuff worked and tried to understand, it understood
Speaker 2: that he was taking a, risk but doing it on
Speaker 2: kind of a, program a, regimen not just you, know
Speaker 2: inject the stuff and see what. Happens i'd ask you,
Speaker 2: though when push comes to, Shove, Boss while he may
Speaker 2: not have Introduced Danny brower to, steroids who do you
Speaker 2: think taught him how to? Roid at the end of the,
Speaker 2: day who do.
Speaker 5: You, think.
Speaker 2: Well This Danny? Brower, yeah, well who do you think
Speaker 2: Taught Danny? Brower? Brother?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow I'M i don't tell, you, Brother i've never done.
Speaker 3: THAT i don't do. Steroids i'm not addicted to. Steroids
Speaker 3: i'm not an abuser of. Roids say you're addicted to. Steroids,
Speaker 3: OH i wasn't ready for that. One for all the
Speaker 3: things we've come up, WITH i don't think we've ever
Speaker 3: Said i'm not addicted to. STEROIDS i don't deal about.
Speaker 3: It you don't have addiction, symptoms, brother or. Problem i'm
Speaker 3: not addicted to. Steroids, brother set every. ADDICT i don't
Speaker 3: think you.
Speaker 2: Know of all the years we've talked About holican, STEROIDS
Speaker 2: i don't think that one has ever come together quite
Speaker 2: like that steroid. Addiction, no, anyway here's the answer to the.
Speaker 7: Question they make it sound like you walk in a
Speaker 7: drive some guys you're, Shooting so you never, know, brother you,
Speaker 7: know sorry body shot if somebody did. It but in a.
Speaker 7: Bathroom you wouldn't even.
Speaker 1: Know it.
Speaker 7: Three C c full of needles or were.
Speaker 5: Wrong.
Speaker 7: Terry terry taught me how to take.
Speaker 11: Shots take one one side of, you but and you
Speaker 11: draw not AN, x but plus and anywhere in the
Speaker 11: top RIGHT.
Speaker 7: X you can hit it anywhere and you don't have
Speaker 7: to worry about hitting veins or. Anything he gotta you
Speaker 7: gotta set it all up when you you, know you
Speaker 7: were bubbles and all kinds of.
Speaker 2: Ship gotta get rid of the bubbles him and pretty
Speaker 2: soon you know the steroid. Thing and it just got
Speaker 2: to the point where why don't we, JUST i don't, know,
Speaker 2: boss why don't we just have the stuff sent To brower's? House?
Speaker 7: RIGHT i took all the heat WHENEVER i. Was but
Speaker 7: then then there was a lot of stuff started piling,
Speaker 7: up and it wasn't necessarily involved With terry and uh
Speaker 7: and the thing that THING i was showing you there
Speaker 7: with the, horn these, deliveries there's a lot more than.
Speaker 5: That WHERE i, lived there was guys who.
Speaker 7: Would make an. Orders there were people making orders and
Speaker 7: they would go to my, house guys from the, area
Speaker 7: and they'd come over and sometimes hanging, out sometimes big
Speaker 7: a up Or i'd see him at the gym And,
Speaker 7: raham you, know they just and they. WOULD i didn't
Speaker 7: get all, that you, know there would be things in
Speaker 7: there for, me and some of the Stuff Terry wood or,
Speaker 7: stuff some.
Speaker 2: Of the Stuff. Terry we're starting to we're starting to understand,
Speaker 2: why of all the the boyhood friends That Terry bullay
Speaker 2: is short a name check in his two books and
Speaker 2: all of his interviews over the, Years Danny browner was
Speaker 2: never really among, them despite as we've well established And
Speaker 2: brad balucciin was able to establish by this, point didn't
Speaker 2: get much tighter than these. Two it sounds like in
Speaker 2: the earliest years growing up In, tampa a lot of
Speaker 2: formative experiences, together car crashes into palm, trees getting jumped
Speaker 2: in parking, lots going shoulder to shoulder With Mike, graham
Speaker 2: playing the pinball machines and in, bands and he never
Speaker 2: seems to come. Up it's just. WILD i don't know
Speaker 2: if it has anything to do with those deliveries or.
Speaker 2: Not ALL i know is they continue befriending each. Other
Speaker 2: last time on The Memphis, journey we went ahead a
Speaker 2: little bit to nineteen eighty, one When hulk had already
Speaker 2: made it, big so to, speak and had come back
Speaker 2: to Wrestle Jerry. Lawler will they hook up again around
Speaker 2: that point in. Time in, fact When Danny brower was
Speaker 2: recalling that near death incident on The Skyway bridge and
Speaker 2: How Ed leslie And Hulk hogan just happened to show
Speaker 2: up the next, day he actually remembers that being in
Speaker 2: eighty one as opposed to seventy, nine which, IS i guess.
Speaker 2: POSSIBLE i don't really Picture hogan and ed running together
Speaker 2: thickest thieves at that point in time as opposed to seventy,
Speaker 2: nine but it could have been what he was. Describing
Speaker 2: but what he does say is When hulk Rematched Jerry
Speaker 2: lawler and The Bayfront, center remember we watched that promo
Speaker 2: From Florida. Television he was, there And Danny brower is
Speaker 2: very much partaking in the fringe benefits of wrestling stardom
Speaker 2: at that. Time he's getting head in. Cars all, right
Speaker 2: let's make that. Clear, yes let's get a little more
Speaker 2: meat on the bone in terms of how closely he's
Speaker 2: riding With terry bullat in eighty. One so there's a.
Speaker 7: Show at The, Bayfront terry's working With.
Speaker 5: Jerry Loll.
Speaker 7: Jerry, Law Jerry. Lower, YEAH i can't remember. It just
Speaker 7: he was in. Town they were a week or so
Speaker 7: and they just came down And jerry came down and
Speaker 7: they did a thing ON tv and JUST i didn't
Speaker 7: think they only worked that one. Night we're just a
Speaker 7: big show at The. Bayfront So i'm heading over there
Speaker 7: and we're going.
Speaker 5: In we're going.
Speaker 7: In there's all these girls just going in and they, said,
Speaker 7: oh right there in the court and said the fucking.
Speaker 7: Deal and that's kind of, like you, Know i'm, like,
Speaker 7: oh this is. Fuck get married. Again i'm. NOT i
Speaker 7: had to grow my, dreams you, know you. Know describe
Speaker 7: the next.
Speaker 5: Us That's.
Speaker 7: Danny the adventure was in it for. Me BUT i
Speaker 7: just remember two times and one night like His georgine.
Speaker 10: And it was like that.
Speaker 2: Everywhere So danny is riding tight and hard with his
Speaker 2: Old tampa. Buddies but then that time. Comes he remembers
Speaker 2: it as eighty one where he drives up to The
Speaker 2: skyway bridge those barriers, there and he's. Divorced he's lost
Speaker 2: a lot of money in his business. Ventures there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of personal, issues and he's coked out of his.
Speaker 2: Mind and as we played for you last time when
Speaker 2: the complete Holl Cogain Danny brower was thinking about ending
Speaker 2: it all on the Iconic Skyway. BRIDGE i think it's
Speaker 2: the same bridge THAT i think it. Was Gary barriss
Speaker 2: told us That Terry wants claimed to have climbed up
Speaker 2: a billboard next to. You remember he had his big
Speaker 2: tall tale about. That so everyone seems to have A
Speaker 2: Skyway bridge, story Including Terry. Funk WHEN i was hearing the,
Speaker 2: STORY i was, like, wow this actually With danny's describing
Speaker 2: And i'm not not to diminish what seemed to be
Speaker 2: a very traumatic and desperate moment for, him but it
Speaker 2: really seemed to be very similar to a publicity stunt
Speaker 2: That Terry funk once, pulled according To dick's later on
Speaker 2: that exact. Bridge just very quickly here From dix' later's.
Speaker 2: Book one, Day terry AND i were sitting there eating.
Speaker 2: Breakfast we had some other things we were trying to
Speaker 2: do to get some really good publicity on.
Speaker 3: US i don't know.
Speaker 2: Why we just thought we'd have fun and we were
Speaker 2: thinking about going over to The Skyway bridge and Doing
Speaker 2: boss The Skyway. Caper ooh. Oh he wanted to Be
Speaker 2: terry the only man who ever survived the. Jump The
Speaker 2: Skyway bridge is something like eight hundred feet tall from
Speaker 2: the span down to the. Water, no there have been
Speaker 2: a lot of people who have jumped off of. It of,
Speaker 2: course the average outcome hasn't really been. GREAT i don't
Speaker 2: believe anybody has. Survived he wanted to be the first
Speaker 2: one to jump off The Skyway bridge and actually survive
Speaker 2: the fall and the swim back to. Shore, now of,
Speaker 2: course being that he wanted to get publicity known for doing,
Speaker 2: that he had to figure out a way to get
Speaker 2: up on The skyway and make sure they knew he
Speaker 2: was going to. Jump of, course can't tell them you're
Speaker 2: going to jump, off and you can't stop your car
Speaker 2: on the top of The Skyway, bridge because the first
Speaker 2: thing they would do is they would probably lock you,
Speaker 2: up they'd baker act you as being. Nuts i'm sure they,
Speaker 2: would and they would arrest you for parking your car
Speaker 2: illegally as part of the. Bargain so we thought of.
Speaker 2: This we went down and rented a car at The Tampa.
Speaker 2: Airport terry sat down and he wrote a, big long
Speaker 2: letter to his, Wife, vicki who was home In. Amarilla.
Speaker 2: Ooh in the, letter he put that he had been
Speaker 2: a rotten husband all his, life and he was real.
Speaker 2: Sorry he had been hated by all the wrestling fans
Speaker 2: because he was such a rotten, person and he'd beat
Speaker 2: Up Dusty roads and everybody else he wrestled in the
Speaker 2: state Of. Florida he figured that he wanted to be
Speaker 2: the only man ever to survive the jump off The skyway.
Speaker 2: Bridge if he didn't make the leap and come out,
Speaker 2: alive then it was his own fault And god was
Speaker 2: going to take him because he was such a rotten.
Speaker 2: Person SO i was going to follow him over to
Speaker 2: The Skyway bridge in my. Car he was going to
Speaker 2: park the car on the top of The. Skyway he'd
Speaker 2: leave the door. Cracked he'd put the letter up on the.
Speaker 2: Dashboard when the police found the car on the top
Speaker 2: of The, skyway it would be registered to the car rental.
Speaker 2: Place they would check say it was rented out To Terry.
Speaker 2: Funk the police would have found the, letter and then
Speaker 2: everything would have added. Up we left my apartment In
Speaker 2: tampa to go over to do. THIS i put him
Speaker 2: in the. BATHTUB i got three boxes Of epps and.
Speaker 2: Salts he lay in the bathtub and we poured the
Speaker 2: EPs and salts in. There he soaked in the salt
Speaker 2: from about three o'clock until let's say five o'clock in the.
Speaker 2: Morning that was two. Hours his skin looked like a.
Speaker 2: PRUNE i had some sandpaper at the. House we sandpapered
Speaker 2: his elbows, down and his cheeks and his face to
Speaker 2: the top of his forehead and some of his nose
Speaker 2: where he was like kind of bleeding from his, nose
Speaker 2: and the sides of his arms and. Stuff he looked
Speaker 2: like he had jumped off the bridge and hit the
Speaker 2: water pretty. Hard the plan was to drive over there
Speaker 2: and park the car on the top of the. Bridge
Speaker 2: so off we went to The. Skyway it was a
Speaker 2: pretty good. Ride we had to go from Tamp over
Speaker 2: To Saint. PETERSBURG i had to wrap him up with
Speaker 2: towels around his arms so his skin would still be
Speaker 2: the same texture as it was when we, left and
Speaker 2: he looked pretty. Bad so we took and parked the
Speaker 2: car on the.
Speaker 5: Top of The.
Speaker 2: Skyway he jumped into my car and we went on
Speaker 2: to the other side of the. Bridge we got, off
Speaker 2: turned around and all the back across To Saint PETE i.
Speaker 2: DROVE i went down to this little roadside park to
Speaker 2: let him. OFF i MEANT i had to go all
Speaker 2: the way across and then all the way back To
Speaker 2: Saint it meant rather THAT i had to do. That
Speaker 2: the only WAY i could turn around was go back
Speaker 2: over the bridge and come back around and play the toll.
Speaker 2: TWICE i parked on the side of the road let
Speaker 2: him out as this little roadside. PARK i didn't want
Speaker 2: to be seen BECAUSE i was the, spotter SO i
Speaker 2: took the car back over to the other side of the.
Speaker 2: Road he went and lay half in the water and
Speaker 2: half out of the. Water he figured that the police
Speaker 2: or somebody would have found my car with a note
Speaker 2: and they would have radioed the coast guard out, there
Speaker 2: thinking either he was in the water or he had
Speaker 2: not made, it or he could be on, shore or
Speaker 2: a boat could have picked him up or. SOMETHING i
Speaker 2: sat there in a roadside park on the other side
Speaker 2: of where he was for a good two. Hours nobody
Speaker 2: paid any, attention SO i had to drive back across
Speaker 2: the skyway again then come back to get him to his,
Speaker 2: side and that roadside PARK i pulled. UP i got
Speaker 2: out of the car and walked over. THERE i, Said,
Speaker 2: terry is this not going to. Work i'll try it again.
Speaker 2: Sometime so back out of the. Water he came in
Speaker 2: into the. Car all the way, home he told me
Speaker 2: about how this was going to. Work the next. TIME
Speaker 2: i was just laughing my head. Off he was lying
Speaker 2: in the salt water for a couple. Hours he looked really.
Speaker 2: Bad we went back and Told Cowboy Bill watts we
Speaker 2: had tried it and it didn't. Work terry's always wanted
Speaker 2: to try that. Again So Terry funk again echoes through
Speaker 2: the story one way or another of hulk out and In.
Speaker 2: Tampa but as the years turn summer of sixty nine
Speaker 2: to the summer of seventy, nine we get to the
Speaker 2: summer of eighty, nine and Soon Terry, bullay according To, Danny,
Speaker 2: brower was Avoiding danny all of a, sudden even at
Speaker 2: one point he recalls kind of pretending he couldn't even
Speaker 2: hear him on the, phone and he never understood really,
Speaker 2: why or at least he claims to not understand. Why
Speaker 2: he was talking To Brad blucchian about being called as
Speaker 2: a witness By vince McMahon side in the trial in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety, four, night in, fact Befriending Laura, Burvetti vince's
Speaker 2: attorney in the whole, deal quite a, bit and even
Speaker 2: heading out To Long island for the, trial and apparently being,
Speaker 2: ready if need, be to offer. Testimony and it's in
Speaker 2: a second book That Hulk hogan recalls entering the courtroom
Speaker 2: In Long island and coming face to face With Danny. Brower,
Speaker 2: again he doesn't call Him Danny, brower he calls him his.
Speaker 2: Mule and Here Brad blucchian reads the passage From hulk's
Speaker 2: second book To danny's, face a passage he'd never heard.
Speaker 6: Before So terry, SAYS i still had this instinct That
Speaker 6: vince was somehow going to try to flip the whole
Speaker 6: case and blame it on. ME i had no idea
Speaker 6: how you would do, that BUT i just thought it
Speaker 6: would be an easy way out if he pointed a
Speaker 6: finger At Hulk hogan and let the media run.
Speaker 7: Wild my instinct was. Right AS i walked into.
Speaker 6: That, COURTROOM i looked over and saw my, mule the
Speaker 6: guy who used to carry drugs and steroids for me
Speaker 6: on the, road sitting right next To vince And vince's.
Speaker 6: Attorney why is he, HERE i wondered if my testimony
Speaker 6: only Hurt. VINCE i have no doubt that they would
Speaker 6: have used my mule to tell every tall tale in
Speaker 6: the book about my steroid use and HOW i was
Speaker 6: running them all over the country or selling them or
Speaker 6: forcing them on my. Opponents this mule must have been
Speaker 6: there as a backup to crush my.
Speaker 7: Credibility that would have meant the end of my career.
Speaker 7: Forever vince truly had nothing to worry.
Speaker 6: About on the witness, stand The feds asked me If
Speaker 6: vince had ever sold me.
Speaker 7: STEROIDS i answered. No he asked me If i'd ever
Speaker 7: inject if he had ever injected me with. Steroids.
Speaker 6: NO i even explained to, THEM i wouldn't trust anyone
Speaker 6: else to stick a needle in, me Because i'd stuck
Speaker 6: myself a thousand times and knew how to do it
Speaker 6: without hurting any without hitting any. NERVES i would never
Speaker 6: Trust vince to stick a needle in. Me can you
Speaker 6: think you're talking about?
Speaker 7: You AS i got the? Mule probably probably, right. Mule
Speaker 7: who else would?
Speaker 2: Mule he, says.
Speaker 7: He, Thought do you remember me telling them nobody was even?
Speaker 7: BIRTHDAY i can.
Speaker 2: There it really explains a.
Speaker 6: Lot so the mule wow for, you, right, yeah because
Speaker 6: who else would would you be talking to the mule and.
Speaker 7: Not the nicest, word, Right and this was two thousand and.
Speaker 7: Nine that's WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Want when the book came.
Speaker 7: Out so now you can tell were, Thinking so that's
Speaker 7: the end of.
Speaker 2: Time that is what he was thinking at the.
Speaker 5: Time.
Speaker 2: Wow the guy sits there and just, says, mule, mule
Speaker 2: mule to. Himself was that All Danny brower was To Hull,
Speaker 2: cogan was that All tampa was To Hull cogan. Brother
Speaker 2: that that would be another ten years away again starting
Speaker 2: in the summer of eighty, nine and we'll get there
Speaker 2: one day on the Complete Hull, Cogan but for, now
Speaker 2: we put a final definitive pin In tampa as far
Speaker 2: As Terry boley is, concerned because this is the last
Speaker 2: time he'll return home known more by his birth. Name for,
Speaker 2: now it's on To Georgia Championship wrestling and then The
Speaker 2: Worldwide Wrestling federation of THE, wwf and from his childhood
Speaker 2: home to every corner of the. Globe they wouldn't call
Speaker 2: Him Terry boulder Or Terry bolea. Anymore they'd call Him Hull.
Speaker 2: Cogan no longer sitting on the docks Of Tampa. Bay
Speaker 2: no longer sitting on the docks Of Tampa. Bay and you, Know,
Speaker 2: BOZZ i guess, unfortunately all will really ever have to
Speaker 2: color in these Final tampa, moments these final moments in
Speaker 2: the city that Reared, terry as we have illustrated over
Speaker 2: the weeks here on The Complete Hull, cogan all we'll
Speaker 2: really ever have is understand this low key part Of
Speaker 2: terry's life was Those facebook. Posts remember for, Sure Billy johnson. Earlier, sure,
Speaker 2: sure that's just what we're going to, HAVE i, guess
Speaker 2: to get these fleeting glimpses of the final contributions Of
Speaker 2: tampa to what would become Hul. Cogan that would be
Speaker 2: all we have unless Hello billy, Speaking Hi Billy, Johnson, yes,
Speaker 2: sir next time on The Complete Hull.
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