Speaker 1: Weird thing that weird weird. Hey, guys, welcome to Bledsoe said, so,
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Ryan Bledsoe. You knew that, but it's
Speaker 1: this new thing that I like doing where I just
Speaker 1: kind of introduced that because my wife thought it was
Speaker 1: a good idea. We're joined by Alex and then tonight
Speaker 1: we have an extraordinary, unbelievably epic guest, my friend Ignacio
Speaker 1: here with us. Where We're going to get into that
Speaker 1: in a second. He's one of the very first people
Speaker 1: I ever met at the Monroe Institute. It's gonna be
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Speaker 1: without further ado, we have my wonderful, amazing friend Ignacio.
Speaker 1: How are you doing man good?
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ryan Good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, finally, Yeah, been some time, but it's
Speaker 2: been like a hear in the work work. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how we came together, because I don't
Speaker 1: I'm kind of fuzzy on that little bit. How you
Speaker 1: and my sister.
Speaker 2: Met so I was talking with Emily today and asking, okay,
Speaker 2: what was the timeline and really trying to think about it.
Speaker 2: And I think we connected on Instagram at first and
Speaker 2: reached out. Knew she was a musician with the idea of,
Speaker 2: you know, some kind of collaboration, and we got to
Speaker 2: talking and you know, talked about our past with music
Speaker 2: and music study and piano, and we tossed around, oh
Speaker 2: we worked on this music and oh you know that
Speaker 2: piece too, and so on, and then you know, just
Speaker 2: talked over time and then Gateway Line last June was
Speaker 2: happening with me. Yes, and I knew you were there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that I was going
Speaker 2: to be there. I was in you know, the room
Speaker 2: as people were gathering, and you walked in and you said,
Speaker 2: you're the guy I'm supposed to meet. You know, big
Speaker 2: hugs as usual, and you know, great friendships born. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't know if I knew in
Speaker 1: advance that you were going to be there.
Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody somebody that Emily said there's somebody
Speaker 2: you have to meet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, she had been telling me about you and
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, she was already working on her album,
Speaker 1: and you were already in talks to collaborate about that,
Speaker 1: so I knew who you were. But when I went
Speaker 1: to Gateway last summer, and what we're talking about is
Speaker 1: when I went to Gateway for the first time for
Speaker 1: that whole Creator's program, Ignasio was there. Ignacio was one
Speaker 1: of them monrostitute staff who went through the program with
Speaker 1: us the creators, just to kind of be a present
Speaker 1: body to make sure it runs smoothly. And of course
Speaker 1: it did, so Ignasio was They're doing the program with us,
Speaker 1: but you were there a staff, so it was kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting thing. But I didn't know you were
Speaker 1: going to be there until the day I got there.
Speaker 1: And when I signed in, I saw a list of
Speaker 1: everybody's name and I was like, oh, crazy, Agnasio's here, right,
Speaker 1: you know, And then there was like half a dozen
Speaker 1: other people that I recognized, or four or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you know the rest is history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly.
Speaker 1: I think we talk about you a little bit on
Speaker 1: on the three part series that I did about that
Speaker 1: Gateway trip, but also sometime this past year, Alex and
Speaker 1: I and if you don't mind finding that episode for
Speaker 1: me so we could plug it Alex and I did
Speaker 1: an entire and Nick, right, wasn't he he was still
Speaker 1: on the show at that point, Right, We did an
Speaker 1: entire episode about our experience that we did with your
Speaker 1: Creation Station program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last December, So well wait.
Speaker 1: For Alex to find that number. So if you guys
Speaker 1: want to go listen to that, so you can see
Speaker 1: kind of some of the stuff and getting idea with
Speaker 1: what Agnossia was doing at the Institute. But you know,
Speaker 1: so what do you do at the institute?
Speaker 2: A lot of stuff. Yes, I'm a trainer at the Institute,
Speaker 2: guest trainer. I teach Creation Station, which is a program
Speaker 2: that is geared toward the creative arts, music production, and
Speaker 2: really any branch of the arts, because essentially, tapping into
Speaker 2: creative intelligence creative data can be applied in whatever medium
Speaker 2: you know of art, you participate in create and so,
Speaker 2: but it was geared toward musicians and composers, and it's
Speaker 2: to help artists really plug into creative inspiration. You know,
Speaker 2: oftentimes you run into what are considered blocks. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm stuck, I don't know what to do, and we
Speaker 2: provide tools to help people, first of all, sort of
Speaker 2: move away from the distraction of the physical their body
Speaker 2: and how they're feeling into creative data, inspiration, ideas, thoughts,
Speaker 2: and then to go into these deep states during meditation
Speaker 2: and sort of download that information and then come back
Speaker 2: to the here and now and turn that into a
Speaker 2: work of art, music, poem, book, Invention podcast podcast.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, I appreciate that that you know,
Speaker 1: held sort of a private class for us, and I
Speaker 1: do think we really benefited Episode two one one. Really
Speaker 1: it was that recent. Wow, I guess that's about half
Speaker 1: the years weeks ago.
Speaker 2: And the interesting part about that too is this happens
Speaker 2: when participant participants go through you know, they kind of
Speaker 2: expect something to happen quickly. Well, sometimes it does. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it happens like much like with Emily, right away during
Speaker 2: the program during their experiences, and then some it takes
Speaker 2: a little time for things to sort of blossom and grow.
Speaker 2: And I found it so interesting because you were super
Speaker 2: excited after it all. Everybody was so excited experience, and
Speaker 2: I thought things were going to happen, and then everything
Speaker 2: kind of got quiet, but you guys were slammed. You
Speaker 2: were so busy, and then all of a sudden, a
Speaker 2: few months ago, you said, you know what, Nawzia, We're
Speaker 2: going to get to this. We really want to do it.
Speaker 2: And then you cranked out the episodes about Creation Station
Speaker 2: and your experience there, and you said to me, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize, but as soon as we did that,
Speaker 2: our schedule was full. Yeah, and you this is why
Speaker 2: it's episode two one, because you had other stuff that
Speaker 2: sort of came up. And that's kind of how it works.
Speaker 2: It doesn't go the way we logically think it's going
Speaker 2: to go. It goes the way it needs to go.
Speaker 1: Something I noticed too, and I think we talk about
Speaker 1: this on the episode we did on episode two a one.
Speaker 1: But looking back on my notes for that program, so
Speaker 1: we did it in December of twenty twenty four with you, right,
Speaker 1: And then when did that episode come out? It was
Speaker 1: probably around March we recorded it. I feel like that
Speaker 1: that makes sense because six months ago is April, and
Speaker 1: it would have come out in a few weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: four months ago. I think we recorded it in March,
Speaker 1: so three months later, and even in that three month span,
Speaker 1: looking back on some of the profound experiences we had,
Speaker 1: and I was reading my notes and I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I do not remember it being this epic, cause I
Speaker 1: feel like when you have some crazy event, when you're
Speaker 1: having like expanded states of awareness, right, and all of
Speaker 1: this stuff is happening over a forty minute span, and
Speaker 1: then you come out and then the following weeks you
Speaker 1: just kind of remember that one part of it, and
Speaker 1: then reading your journal, it's like, WHOA, I don't remember this, this, this,
Speaker 1: this and this. But I know that that creation station
Speaker 1: program that we did with you was very profound for
Speaker 1: a group, and it was the introduction to Monroe stuff
Speaker 1: for Alex, for Olivia, for Nick Forkzy, for Jenny. And
Speaker 1: here we are going down this path, going deeper and
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into the Monroe stuff. We're sitting here
Speaker 1: figuring out how we are we gonna get Alex the gateway,
Speaker 1: but I think we have an idea. Very soon, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get them there. But anyway, Yeah, so an incredible
Speaker 1: How can people find that schedule to do your creation station?
Speaker 2: Because go to Monroe Institute dot org, Monroe website and
Speaker 2: just do a little search for a creation station. It's
Speaker 2: a virtual program. So it's just like you know, we
Speaker 2: did it. Everybody was in their own space and find
Speaker 2: a weekend. It's two and a half days. Uh, really
Speaker 2: full schedule. It's why it's hard to remember all the
Speaker 2: details and why we encourage you to journal everything and
Speaker 2: you come back to it and realize, Wow, this happened,
Speaker 2: and you can connect the dots six months later, ten
Speaker 2: months later, now I understand what that was. In the moment,
Speaker 2: it might not seem quite so big, and then something
Speaker 2: happens and you go, that was that was pretty epic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was profound. It was. It was worth every bit.
Speaker 1: And as I understand you're are you the only one
Speaker 1: teaching that program?
Speaker 2: No, yep, yep, I'm the only one. And since it's virtual,
Speaker 2: we keep the number small, so it's generally a group
Speaker 2: ten to twelve people. It's nice because we really get
Speaker 2: a chance to know one another in the program, and
Speaker 2: especially because it's a lot of like minded individuals. Participants
Speaker 2: who are in the arts or creative or people actually
Speaker 2: will sign up. They simply want to be creative. They
Speaker 2: don't see themselves as creative and feel like they get
Speaker 2: this sort of nudge that this could be something to
Speaker 2: help them find that creative outlet, and it has for
Speaker 2: a number of people. They comment, they send me emails
Speaker 2: after and just say, you know, I didn't realize how
Speaker 2: creative I really was, but I just became aware that
Speaker 2: it was there. So you find the schedule there. We
Speaker 2: add virtual programs as needed, and just sign up right
Speaker 2: on the website. You'll pick a date that's that's convening
Speaker 2: it and join us.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm curious too, and of course I know this,
Speaker 1: but I want to go deeper in this. I want
Speaker 1: to sort of pull apart like your journey into consciousness,
Speaker 1: because I know that didn't just start with Monroe. You know,
Speaker 1: you've been with them what three years now officially, yeah,
Speaker 1: three years?
Speaker 2: About three years years little more than three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm I'm curious to know, like, what what
Speaker 1: brought you towards this path to be into such out
Speaker 1: there things? You know? So let's go way back to
Speaker 1: at what point in your life where you like, huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm into this weird stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, Well, at the time, I don't know that
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird stuff. I discovered that over time,
Speaker 2: but I can take it back to being really really little,
Speaker 2: just a kid in the backyard, and I think what
Speaker 2: really started it with a catalyst was simply asking a question,
Speaker 2: and you know, just musings as a kid. You know,
Speaker 2: little kids have crazy ideas and vivid imaginations. And I
Speaker 2: think I told the story in Creation Station. But one
Speaker 2: afternoon I was out on the lawn and just laying
Speaker 2: in the grass, looking up at the sky and watching
Speaker 2: the clouds, just laying there, and I wondered what it
Speaker 2: would sound like. I'm a sound guy musician, so I
Speaker 2: wondered what it would sound like if I could hear
Speaker 2: every sound that ever happened in the past. And then,
Speaker 2: of course I thought, well and in the future, what
Speaker 2: if I could hear all of those sounds all at
Speaker 2: one time? What would it sound like? Would it sound messy?
Speaker 2: Would it sound and just a bunch of noise? And
Speaker 2: I realized, whoa, this would be so loud. But then
Speaker 2: I realized it wouldn't. All of the noise and all
Speaker 2: the sound from my perspective, if I were to hear
Speaker 2: it all at once, it would be deafening. So what
Speaker 2: would that be. It'd be silent. And I think that
Speaker 2: simple question was a catalyst for my life and the
Speaker 2: pursuit of silence and stillness. And I think that was
Speaker 2: the trajectory that led me through experiences in my life
Speaker 2: that ultimately led me to beyond BLEDSOE said, so all
Speaker 2: of it and we don't think about it in those terms,
Speaker 2: but really that did land me here? And how did
Speaker 2: it connect? You know, that weird thought or those weird
Speaker 2: thoughts that I had as a kid. Here we are
Speaker 2: talking about the extraordinary. It's not weird anymore now it's
Speaker 2: just extraordinary. And so so that, and then you know,
Speaker 2: I always I kind of ask funny questions like that.
Speaker 2: Studied music through you know, my younger years, and so
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time alone, a lot of
Speaker 2: time in music, and which I loved. I had a
Speaker 2: great career in music. Just retired and from forty plus
Speaker 2: years of teaching music, which was a career I loved,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I left that on top. So
Speaker 2: it was a great way to transition to this work
Speaker 2: that I do now, which is really the work of dreams.
Speaker 2: I get to combine the two worlds that mean the
Speaker 2: most to me, music and consciousness exploration. And so it's
Speaker 2: what an opportunity and a privilege and just truly dream
Speaker 2: come true to be in this space. But even while
Speaker 2: I was doing that, I was still constantly contemplating life
Speaker 2: and time and you know, as best I could at
Speaker 2: ten or eleven years old. And when I was about
Speaker 2: probably eleven years old, I thought I would try this
Speaker 2: thing I'd heard about meditation, And so we had a
Speaker 2: little cassette tape that our chiropractor gave us, and I
Speaker 2: popped it in a boombox, probably dating myself a little bit,
Speaker 2: put in a boombox and lit some incense, because that's
Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do when you do, you know,
Speaker 2: meditation turned the lights out, and I just sat and
Speaker 2: listened to this music and kind of got lost in it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what I was doing. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what it was. All I knew is you sat quietly,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was great. And I would try
Speaker 2: that every now and then. But then it was always
Speaker 2: about music, always about music again alone, completely focused on music.
Speaker 2: Fast forward and you know, my early twenties, I learned
Speaker 2: transcendental meditation. I learned to meditate with a technique.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can come back again.
Speaker 1: I would love too. I would love to.
Speaker 2: And so that really started my path into real, real
Speaker 2: consciousness exploration and meditated regularly I had a really good
Speaker 2: practice and continued from that point on. I had a
Speaker 2: little break that I took around twenty ten, and it
Speaker 2: was not a pleasant break. I knew that there was
Speaker 2: something missing, so I've found a way of going back
Speaker 2: to it. And the reason it was an unpleasant experience
Speaker 2: is because that was what was missing. I just needed
Speaker 2: to power through those those meditations. The frustration that comes
Speaker 2: with meditation. You know, oh, I can't quiet my mind,
Speaker 2: or I can't sit still, or I get uncomfortable or yeah,
Speaker 2: all these distractions and not realizing that all of that
Speaker 2: is really crucial to your practice. It's nothing wrong with it,
Speaker 2: it's part of it. Miscon That's exactly right. We don't
Speaker 2: understand what meditation is supposed to be and is it
Speaker 2: really about quieting your mind and trying to Everyone fights
Speaker 2: and struggles to I can't stop my thoughts. I can't
Speaker 2: stop my thoughts. But I often wonder, well, why would
Speaker 2: you want to stop the flow of thought? You want
Speaker 2: to be able to manage it and focus on one
Speaker 2: thought at a time and see what it holds. What's
Speaker 2: the information that I need here? What is it that
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be learning? How is this going to
Speaker 2: change my life, but instead we struggled to try to
Speaker 2: be quiet and silence it. And silence it, we're silencing
Speaker 2: the very creative intelligence that you could that could possibly
Speaker 2: be changing your life. So I continued meditating, and in
Speaker 2: about twenty eighteen, I started doing a practice, a meditative
Speaker 2: practice that shifted my own personal explorations.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And started reading books, new stuff that was coming out.
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty, you know, COVID happened, and so
Speaker 2: there's lots more time being at home. I read more,
Speaker 2: started going down rabbit hole, just like most of the
Speaker 2: world online. And this document comes across my desktop and
Speaker 2: it was the CIA evaluation of Gateway. So I read
Speaker 2: about it and then started exploring and decided to do
Speaker 2: Gateway at home. And so I did the whole Gateway
Speaker 2: experience on my own over the course of seven months,
Speaker 2: and I knew this was the real deal. The experiences
Speaker 2: I was having were profound. To say the least, this
Speaker 2: was profound, And so I explored and looked at the website,
Speaker 2: scoured the Monroe website, discovered the expand app, and explored
Speaker 2: all the meditations and exercises there, and a couple of
Speaker 2: them caught my attention, and so I reached out asked
Speaker 2: about whether they had more of these types of exercises,
Speaker 2: and they were working on it. And I asked where
Speaker 2: they got their music, because the music's beautiful on there
Speaker 2: and really great for meditative work. And they told me
Speaker 2: where they got the music and if I knew somebody
Speaker 2: that wrote music, send them their way. So well, as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I know someone, and so I
Speaker 2: submitted a sample and Paul, the executive vice president and
Speaker 2: CTO at the institute said, this is really we're looking
Speaker 2: for something like this, and we have this program that
Speaker 2: we're going to invite you to coming up in June.
Speaker 2: This I talked to him in April in June of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and so they called me up. I
Speaker 2: flew out and this was Creation Station. Oh cool, and
Speaker 2: so it was the first Creation station. It was residentials
Speaker 2: for a week and it was a profound experience and
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of people there. I met Alan,
Speaker 2: the CEO, and she said, well, you know, you know music,
Speaker 2: and you know what we do here, and I think
Speaker 2: we should see if we can collaborate. And so cut
Speaker 2: to the chase. I am now one of the audio engineers.
Speaker 2: I write music for the Institute for Expand app along
Speaker 2: with the training and work with other artists to collaborate.
Speaker 2: You know, I need help curate new artists new music,
Speaker 2: and we collaborate by enhancing their music with Monroe Sound
Speaker 2: Science so we can share it with the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what's your official title.
Speaker 2: I'm the Director of Music Strategy and Development. And so
Speaker 2: the objective is to curate and diversify our music catalog
Speaker 2: with our new advancing audio technology, with new genres of sound.
Speaker 2: Of course the ambient music, meditation music that we're used to,
Speaker 2: but new sounds, more modern sounds, some slightly more energetic sounds,
Speaker 2: so that we have a variety of sound to deliver
Speaker 2: the audio tech for people to enhance and improve their lives.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's just so crazy. And there's more to
Speaker 1: this story. We're gonna peel it back because, as I recall,
Speaker 1: when you were read child, you somehow or another, in
Speaker 1: hindsight realized you already had some experience with this technology.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. And so I in working on diversifying the catalog,
Speaker 2: I studied the music that had been previously released, got
Speaker 2: to know it, and you know, a few months into
Speaker 2: working on this project, trying to determine what kind of
Speaker 2: music do we want to add to the catalog, I'm
Speaker 2: listening to some of the older material, and realized that
Speaker 2: the music that I had on that cassette tape when
Speaker 2: I was eleven was an exercise of Bob's Wow. And
Speaker 2: so I was already dipping into the Monroe stuff at
Speaker 2: a really young age and not even realizing that that
Speaker 2: was part of my trajectory.
Speaker 1: So did your parents just like have that or something?
Speaker 2: Chiropractor gave us a tape that he had in his office.
Speaker 2: We were in getting adjustments, and my mom said, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's really beautiful music. And our chiropractor is a great guy.
Speaker 2: I actually worked for him. That was going to be
Speaker 2: what I was going to do. I was going to
Speaker 2: become a chiropractor. But it goes, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: go in a straight line. Life does not going a
Speaker 2: straight line, right, and so he just said, oh, here
Speaker 2: you can have it. I have lots of these, and
Speaker 2: so there it was. Didn't realize, you know, And then
Speaker 2: of course along the way, in actually the mid nineties,
Speaker 2: I read Bob's books for the first time, and then
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine who she's a great friend.
Speaker 2: I had a really rough time and she came over
Speaker 2: and she was a life saver, truly. She talked me
Speaker 2: down from just being at a really well talk me down,
Speaker 2: boosted me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was at a low point, feeling really sad and depressed,
Speaker 2: and she just just in her sweet words, you know,
Speaker 2: she managed to to help me out with that. She
Speaker 2: had given me a gift a CD and it was
Speaker 2: it was a Monroe product, And little did I know
Speaker 2: here again there's Bob his books, this CD, and I
Speaker 2: used it in my practice doing breath work at the time,
Speaker 2: and so it was it was present there all along.
Speaker 2: They were like almost like there were bread crumbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Monroe's Atitute body of work was like
Speaker 1: you said, bread crumbs just being sprinkled throughout your life,
Speaker 1: almost like pulling you along this path. I'm finding that
Speaker 1: it's been that way for me, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people who are into this it's that way
Speaker 1: for them, you know, agreed, But it's always had its
Speaker 1: damp on your life, and then when you dive in,
Speaker 1: it's just like wow, this door opens up and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is this is amazing. This is profound,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's wild. So you you start looking
Speaker 1: really into Monroe, you reach out and you find yourself
Speaker 1: just kind of walking the steps of becoming the director
Speaker 1: of music strategy. But as I understand it, you're also
Speaker 1: one of the guys who sits in the room and
Speaker 1: you make the audio technology right correct, So obviously without
Speaker 1: you know, let me let me let me back up,
Speaker 1: I would I'm curious to know what that's like. You know,
Speaker 1: what is that like? What is that like actually making
Speaker 1: the technology that enriches millions.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of facets to it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: First of all, I remember having a conversation we were
Speaker 2: in the cafeteria in the dining room, actually signed a
Speaker 2: cafeteria in the dining room at Monroe, and uh, having
Speaker 2: a dinner with Alan during one of the programs, and
Speaker 2: and she said, you know, we're gonna have you sign
Speaker 2: this paper and then we want you to start working
Speaker 2: with the team with the audio tech and creating exercises.
Speaker 2: And so I started learning about Bob's methods and dove
Speaker 2: right in and started, you know, sort of emulating what
Speaker 2: he was doing and understanding what he was doing. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden things started to make sense
Speaker 2: how it worked. And then my supervisors of other you know,
Speaker 2: people who did this, Paul. Of course, yep, go do it.
Speaker 2: It's all tested, it's all reviewed before it goes out.
Speaker 2: We're really careful about that cautiously because it's it reaches
Speaker 2: a lot of people. We want to make sure it's
Speaker 2: a good experience and easy to consume, so to speak.
Speaker 2: It's it's a privilege. It's something very special, almost sacred
Speaker 2: to me, because I've been handed a tool that can
Speaker 2: change people's lives and does and it's not that it
Speaker 2: does something for the individual, it supports them in their work.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have that when I was that
Speaker 2: kid out on the lawn. I asked a question. You
Speaker 2: have to come to the work wanting change, sincerely wanting change.
Speaker 2: But if you want that, the support's there. And it's
Speaker 2: astounding how powerful it is when you say I'm ready
Speaker 2: for change, and with the support of this, you're able.
Speaker 2: It's this that becomes a collaboration, you and Bob's research
Speaker 2: and years of you know, this of curiosity. You know,
Speaker 2: when we did OTP together, we learned a lot about
Speaker 2: Bob and his personality and who he was and his
Speaker 2: inquisitiveness and you know, his tenacity adventure. Yeah, to keep
Speaker 2: trying and well, you know it's not It didn't kill me,
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to keep going, you know, in
Speaker 2: his beautiful, simple, humorous and just don't give up kind
Speaker 2: of way. Let's just go. I'll try it on myself.
Speaker 2: And it's if we come to the work that way.
Speaker 2: You had this collaboration, you have the support with Monroe
Speaker 2: Sound Science, you have your intention of wanting change or
Speaker 2: wanting adventure or whatever it is, or healing whatever. You
Speaker 2: bring that to the table and work with the audio tech.
Speaker 2: You are going to see results. I've seen it number
Speaker 2: one in my own self, and that's really the true test.
Speaker 2: Don't look at other people for it. I don't look
Speaker 2: just because I see other people succeeding at it. No, me, Me,
Speaker 2: It starts with me. I agree, because if I can't,
Speaker 2: if I can't do this work and I can't change,
Speaker 2: why should I expect someone else to do it. Nope,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna step up and I'm gonna do it. And
Speaker 2: it's a practice that I'm very dedicated to, and it's
Speaker 2: the only way I feel in good conscience that I
Speaker 2: can ask someone else.
Speaker 1: To do it. I never feel like I'm in competition
Speaker 1: with anyone about something else, Like in any aspect of life,
Speaker 1: I always feel like I'm in competition with me.
Speaker 2: To become the better version of you from yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I've just always intrinsically understood this. But then
Speaker 1: you go and you sort of get into this thing
Speaker 1: and you go to you know, Monroe programs or whatever
Speaker 1: you do. I don't care if it's transitental meditation or
Speaker 1: you know, playing football or whatever, or playing piece of music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's always people that are looking around They're like
Speaker 1: they do it better than me, and like it's not
Speaker 1: about that. It's right, your journey's about you, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's some people at these Minroe programs that they'll, oh,
Speaker 1: nothing's happening to me. Everyone around me is, you know,
Speaker 1: eving the body or seeing you know, on the other
Speaker 1: side of the room. And it's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: your journey is not their journey, you know. I'm just
Speaker 1: agreeing with what you said, right, Like, this is for you.
Speaker 1: You have to show up and you you have to
Speaker 1: be here for you and not be so concerned about
Speaker 1: everyone else. I love that I love that philosophy. But
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit because I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of INN, a real sound science big, big fan,
Speaker 1: especially ever since I met you. I went and I
Speaker 1: did Gateway last year, and you and I had a
Speaker 1: lot of experiences where we were sort of connected in
Speaker 1: another place you remember, yes, I do. Yeah. We would
Speaker 1: be like seeing flashes of each other from across the
Speaker 1: you know, across the building and having message and all
Speaker 1: kinds of weird things, and it was very interesting. But
Speaker 1: ever since meeting you, ever since doing Gateway, ever since
Speaker 1: going through the path over the last year, becoming a trainer,
Speaker 1: which news flash, Ignacio and I were in that program together.
Speaker 1: So for the last year I've been calling you my
Speaker 1: study buddy, and we actually went and were trained together.
Speaker 1: Because you didn't mention this in the start of the episode.
Speaker 1: But you're also an outreach trainer, correct? So how many
Speaker 1: ads do you wear? Like six? You're the you're the
Speaker 1: director of music Strategy, You're a sound science engineer, You're
Speaker 1: an outreach trainer, You're a guest trainer. Am I missing
Speaker 1: anything like you? You are tapped in I cleaned the
Speaker 1: pool during your Gateway Oh true? True?
Speaker 2: The pool boy if it needs to get downe, you
Speaker 2: just got to do it. That's important work, Man's that's
Speaker 2: important work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's been fun. I like I was making
Speaker 1: a joke this morning, or we were at lunch or
Speaker 1: something or right before, it doesn't matter, and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about like what are we gonna talk about?
Speaker 1: What's gonna come up? And I'm like, dude, two of
Speaker 1: the three times I've ever even been to the place,
Speaker 1: you've been there. Like pretty much my whole Monroe experience
Speaker 1: has been with You've been like I have done I
Speaker 1: think I've done four programs. You weren't in one of them.
Speaker 1: It's my guideline. And then I've been there three times
Speaker 1: physically you were there twice, Like you are a part
Speaker 1: of my journey with this place. You're You're like I
Speaker 1: always think of people. This is how I know they're
Speaker 1: for real, like some sort of spiritual mentor some sort
Speaker 1: of like guide in my life. I always think of
Speaker 1: people like a Jedi knight, and I think you're Yoda,
Speaker 1: Like for me, right, you're Yoda, Archie's Quai gon Gen,
Speaker 1: And there's this other lit cast of people that have
Speaker 1: a different Jedi that like this person's kind of like
Speaker 1: a guide, but this is their personality, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So you guys are definitely part of my path.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm a big fan of Monroe Sound Science,
Speaker 1: especially because I know someone who who you know, makes
Speaker 1: Monroe Sound Science. And I'm just really curious about what
Speaker 1: was that like learning the brain being a pianist, right
Speaker 1: that that's your home base, right right, piano, being a pianist,
Speaker 1: and then diving into this world of like consciousness work.
Speaker 1: What was that like? Like having to learn brain wave states,
Speaker 1: having to learn targeted states of consciousness, but also like
Speaker 1: were you just nerding out about making music that's you know,
Speaker 1: bringing people into such expanded states. I'm curious about the
Speaker 1: inner journey of you learning this and doing this.
Speaker 2: In the last last couple of days, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was something we talked about too. It was
Speaker 2: a really interesting experience I had, you know, the MEWS device. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was working with the MEWS device. I like
Speaker 2: to kind of nerd out.
Speaker 1: And that's a brain like an EEG portable one.
Speaker 2: And I decided one day I was going to play
Speaker 2: the piano and see what's what's going on? Good idea,
Speaker 2: what's going on while this is happening, you know, because
Speaker 2: you can tell when you go to certain brain states.
Speaker 2: And so I popped it on and made sure it
Speaker 2: was reading looking at the app and I pulled out
Speaker 2: a piece of music and I pulled out a relatively
Speaker 2: complicated one that really required a lot of movement, a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, processing left brain. And so I'm
Speaker 2: playing probably about fifteen minutes. I get done, and I,
Speaker 2: you know, expect to see a lot of active, you know,
Speaker 2: brain activity. And it was some of the deepest delta
Speaker 2: I've ever experienced.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so it's is a deeply relaxed state so to speak,
Speaker 2: want akin to sleep, deep sleep, but I was fully active.
Speaker 2: So it made me think about, well, what's happening when
Speaker 2: in musicians playing music? Where do they go? Where are
Speaker 2: they tapped in? What are they delivering? And from where?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are they making it up? I don't think? So are
Speaker 2: you putting your own feeling in emotion which is a
Speaker 2: human thing? Right? Well, some might this certainly wasn't that.
Speaker 2: That's a whole different perspective I have on music and
Speaker 2: emotion and music, But what's happening? And so then to
Speaker 2: tight in with what you say with Monroe Sound science.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible process to think of music that either
Speaker 2: I'm creating or that someone's created specifically for targeting specific
Speaker 2: states of consciousness, that the music can take you to
Speaker 2: that space. Sort of just the nature of that sound
Speaker 2: might do it. But then you have this science, this technique,
Speaker 2: this method that deepens or enhances that. What a combination
Speaker 2: the synthesis of those two let's call them disciplines to
Speaker 2: carry you into these deep states and then be able
Speaker 2: to be aware while in that state like I was,
Speaker 2: wasn't asleep playing this piece of music. I couldn't be
Speaker 2: I had to move thinking of what finger, what note
Speaker 2: I'm playing for? How long, how loud, how fast? Lots
Speaker 2: of process So what's doing that?
Speaker 1: That's very curious. How you're reaching delta while you're a
Speaker 1: bit you know, it makes me wonder is your brain
Speaker 1: repairing itself even you know, Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about this.
Speaker 2: So it's it's really such a neat experience to know
Speaker 2: this music is carrying this entrainment that helps to cultivate
Speaker 2: these states in the brain that allow you to experience
Speaker 2: these expanded states.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just naturally went into the next thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to get into because obviously we can't peel away
Speaker 1: the secret sauce of this because it's for very good reason.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily you know, public knowledge how this works.
Speaker 1: And anyway, so without peeling back too much, I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about what Monroe's sound science actually is because
Speaker 1: we haven't even said that in trainment, and what this
Speaker 1: process is in the brain, and what it is that
Speaker 1: you're doing, right, you're making these I know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying for the listener's sake, who maybe is
Speaker 1: I love hearing you talk about Monroe, but like, what
Speaker 1: is it? You know what I mean? So let's talk
Speaker 1: about that in trainment? What is Monroe sound Science?
Speaker 2: So Monroe sound science is the latest advancing technology based
Speaker 2: on Bob's research experience in moving to these deep states
Speaker 2: of consciousness and using of course new modern techniques now
Speaker 2: available because of you know, hardware advancements, software advancements, tech,
Speaker 2: you know, techniques that we work with to develop internally.
Speaker 2: The audio team works with them to that target these
Speaker 2: states based on Bob's knowledge. Yeah, that and research wisdom
Speaker 2: that research, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of research and with Tom Campbell. Sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 1: but with Tom Campbell, who was on the show two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, the timing of this is amazing.
Speaker 2: Always there was not planned always uh. And so using techniques,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest techniques is being able to use
Speaker 2: spatial audio. So that from my perspective, and this is
Speaker 2: not even a perspective so much that I'm saying this
Speaker 2: is what Monroe says, But my personal experience with the
Speaker 2: sound is I lose track or don't feel anchored in
Speaker 2: the body because of the spatial and immersive sensation that
Speaker 2: you experience while listening to exercises that are Monroe sound science.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Of course, we work on the premise that we're more
Speaker 2: than our physical body, and so the less you can
Speaker 2: be anchored in the body or the sensation of the
Speaker 2: body spatially, I personally feel it's easier to feel the
Speaker 2: freedom to explore beyond the physical. And so I think
Speaker 2: that's the biggest advantage from my perspective in using Monroe
Speaker 2: Sound Science, because you are not stuck in the body, yeah,
Speaker 2: or shall I say you're not stuck with the idea, yeah,
Speaker 2: that you're stuck in the mindy.
Speaker 1: One thing that I truly well, the main thing that
Speaker 1: I truly love about the monro Institute is this is
Speaker 1: just me. This is my opinion as a as a researcher,
Speaker 1: as somebody who does a podcast. This is nobody at
Speaker 1: Monroe's telling me this. Nobody at Monroe necessarily has this opinion.
Speaker 1: This is just me speculating as podcast host Ryan Bledsoe.
Speaker 1: And I told Alan this and she she wanted me
Speaker 1: to bring it up on the show and she thought
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. She was like, cool, you know,
Speaker 1: love that theory. I get the sense that the Monroe
Speaker 1: Institute is today. It like this futuristic tech ages version
Speaker 1: of like what they were doing in ancient Egypt thousands
Speaker 1: of years ago, which was just having direct experience with
Speaker 1: the other. Right, they were doing this in Greece, they
Speaker 1: were doing this in Persia, they were doing this in Egypt,
Speaker 1: they were doing it in India, all these places around
Speaker 1: the ancient world. And we call them today or we
Speaker 1: know them as the mystery schools. Right, it's not a religion,
Speaker 1: it's not a creed. It was just a body of
Speaker 1: work where it was meditation, whether it was various X
Speaker 1: y Z ways that they would leave the body or
Speaker 1: they would, you know, have dreams at spiritual practice, spiritual practice,
Speaker 1: various spiritual discilence. Yes, not one thing, right, but I
Speaker 1: think them. Minuro'stitude is so amazing because it's like that
Speaker 1: in today's day and age. But it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a belief system. It's not a
Speaker 1: dogma or a creed or religion. It's just techniques that
Speaker 1: are universal, that are honed through science and research and
Speaker 1: it's effective.
Speaker 2: And on that, you know, you bring up a really
Speaker 2: good point is all of these you know, mystery schools,
Speaker 2: and it's all based on what Bob said, Go try
Speaker 2: it yourself, try it for yourself. You know this is
Speaker 2: this is tied to the concept of truth and and
Speaker 2: having it be experiential. What we do at the Institute
Speaker 2: is provide a place for you to experience this firsthand.
Speaker 2: I could tell you I'm having this experience, you will still,
Speaker 2: as much as you want to believe it, you will
Speaker 2: still have an element of doubt whether it's true or not. Well,
Speaker 2: it's true to me because I experienced it, But there
Speaker 2: is no way that I will ever convince you that
Speaker 2: it's true, because you will always have a sliver of
Speaker 2: doubt until you experience it, and then it becomes a
Speaker 2: truth for you. And now we can tell Alex and
Speaker 2: he might say that's really cool, and you know that
Speaker 2: sounds like it. It's real, but yeah, and so we
Speaker 2: invite we invite everyone to experience it for themselves, to
Speaker 2: try to what you said. We provide tools, yes, and
Speaker 2: when people come to programs, and I always share with participants,
Speaker 2: try not to expect an experience today, but come to
Speaker 2: this like you're going to learn a tool, practice the tool,
Speaker 2: and then when you go home, now start working with
Speaker 2: that tool for the experience. And it somehow takes the
Speaker 2: pressure off because everyone has this pressure that they have
Speaker 2: to do this now they have to succeed, but they're
Speaker 2: still just learning the tool. When they attend the workshops,
Speaker 2: the programs, the online programs, whatever it is, the weekend,
Speaker 2: our weekend workshops that we do. Come and learn the
Speaker 2: tools and get good at the tool. Don't come and
Speaker 2: try so hard to have an experience. And in any practice,
Speaker 2: like if you're doing let's say you're going to learn TM,
Speaker 2: don't expect a specific experience that day. Learn the process
Speaker 2: and in time, in time, and then and only then
Speaker 2: does it become truth. But it becomes your truth. And
Speaker 2: you said it. It's great, Ryan, And we always we
Speaker 2: talk like this all the time. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: convince anybody. I just want to have that experience myself.
Speaker 2: I want to do it because I want to know.
Speaker 2: And that's why you do this. Do it because you
Speaker 2: want to experience it. And then people will see, hey,
Speaker 2: there's something about that guy. What is it. They'll notice
Speaker 2: that you do something, They'll notice that you practice something.
Speaker 2: You're really good about this. You always, you know, ask
Speaker 2: to tell people, you know, hey, just try it, go
Speaker 2: try it. I've never once ever heard you say this,
Speaker 2: you should try it. You always do that. I like it.
Speaker 1: You should try it. Yeah, we're not out here ever,
Speaker 1: being like only we can see your yes. No, it's
Speaker 1: like please go outside and ask like I want you
Speaker 1: to do this, like you can do this. And Monroe's
Speaker 1: the same. It's like empower you like you are more
Speaker 1: than your physical body. You are an immortal being of
Speaker 1: infinite energy. You are this, you are that. It's very empowering.
Speaker 2: That's right, it's for you.
Speaker 1: I'm all about empowering people. It makes me sick when
Speaker 1: people do the opposite, and they disempower Peia. I'm all
Speaker 1: about giving people tools to change their life, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm just I'm finding that being the more I
Speaker 1: walk this path of like, you know, I say collaborating loosely,
Speaker 1: I don't mean making content. I just mean being together, right.
Speaker 1: But the more I walk this path of like collaborating
Speaker 1: and being connected to the institute, I find that it's
Speaker 1: more fulfilling for me because I'm being similar to you,
Speaker 1: where you just kind of you wrote a message one
Speaker 1: day and you or you did a program or whatever
Speaker 1: you explained, you know, twenty minutes ago, how your first
Speaker 1: contact and then they're like, hey, we need somebody that
Speaker 1: makes music, and you're like me, and then you submit
Speaker 1: a song like overnight, right, and then boom, you're like
Speaker 1: getting hired at the place. I sort of had a
Speaker 1: similar experience going to the content creator thing, and then
Speaker 1: Arkie was like, dude, you should apply. I run the
Speaker 1: program to train trainers. You still gotta apply, but I'll
Speaker 1: see it, and I'm like okay, cool, and then boom,
Speaker 1: I'm going through training and then boom, I'm becoming an
Speaker 1: hourage trainer. So we kind of had a similar path, right,
Speaker 1: And we've been on each other's path, right. But I'm
Speaker 1: finding the more I walk this path, how amazing it
Speaker 1: is to be in a position to have the tools
Speaker 1: to facilitate awakening experiences for others and empowering individuals.
Speaker 2: Right. You get to share it. And the really great
Speaker 2: part about that program, that outreach program, and really just
Speaker 2: simply being a trainer is to watch you're handing this
Speaker 2: information over and you're watching people do this, and you're
Speaker 2: guiding them through it because it's not it's not our content.
Speaker 2: This is Bob's content. Is what Bob created, and we're
Speaker 2: the stewards of it, and we can share it and
Speaker 2: we can talk about it. We understand it. We studied
Speaker 2: it deeply.
Speaker 1: We've also tried it and tried it.
Speaker 2: And continue to try it and some days it well,
Speaker 2: we'll we'll try again tomorrow. It's not something that you
Speaker 2: It just you do and it happens, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's practice. It's practice. But we can we get to
Speaker 2: We have the the privilege of sharing it with ultimately
Speaker 2: the world, with people in our circle, our friends, colleagues, whoever,
Speaker 2: whoever we run into, and watching its impact in their lives.
Speaker 2: When they actually engage it, and when they come to
Speaker 2: you and they say, hey, Ryan, got to tell you
Speaker 2: this thing that happened. Oh yeah, if I had told
Speaker 2: you that, would you believed me? No exactly, but you do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then they're excited about going back, and then they
Speaker 2: can't get enough and they want to do it more
Speaker 2: and more and more, and then they'll run into some
Speaker 2: struggles again. You know, I'm distracted about life, which we
Speaker 2: all know doesn't go into straight line. Stuff comes up,
Speaker 2: but you get to try again the next day and
Speaker 2: the next day and the next day, and then the
Speaker 2: next thing you know, you're sitting on a podcast with
Speaker 2: you know, your brother.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, you keep coming back to this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: must be a special moment. It is for me too.
Speaker 1: Every time I have not only just cool people, but
Speaker 1: also particularly for me because of my passion people who
Speaker 1: are from them and rose fear on the show. It's
Speaker 1: like a big deal for me. It's very cool. I
Speaker 1: don't think Monroe ever expected that that. You know, they
Speaker 1: invited a bunch of content creators out. I don't think
Speaker 1: they truly knew the return they were going to get
Speaker 1: on that genius idea, you know, to where like, you know,
Speaker 1: look at Amy, she's constantly doing programs, and you know,
Speaker 1: people are making content, but the and have me like
Speaker 1: being a trainer and like hey, you come on, you
Speaker 1: come on, you come on, you come on and go
Speaker 1: and do programs. Like it was just brilliant what they
Speaker 1: did there with that content creator thing. And and I
Speaker 1: can't deny that since then, not not because of me,
Speaker 1: but just because in general, I think because of all
Speaker 1: these content creators going out, like the freaking place is
Speaker 1: slammed through like twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many people that are well, how would
Speaker 2: I say, they're they have direct experience with the tools,
Speaker 2: with the programs, and you do get this sort of
Speaker 2: excitement about being able to share it with others. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that that Gateway was pretty spectacular experience for everybody there,
Speaker 2: participants and trainers alike, everybody, all the support staff, I
Speaker 2: even know the hospitality staff had a blast. They had fun,
Speaker 2: which is that they're a phenomenal group of people. You know,
Speaker 2: shout out to the hospitality when you go to campus
Speaker 2: if you ever get a you know, folks, if you
Speaker 2: ever get a chance to go, food's great, and the
Speaker 2: hospitality is phenomenal. But there are so many people behind
Speaker 2: the scenes who want everyone to have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: make a change for the better in their own lives.
Speaker 2: And so the staff that I work with, everybody on
Speaker 2: staff is amazing. I get to work with some incredible people.
Speaker 2: Everyone everyone on campus is great outreach trainers that I've met,
Speaker 2: I know, even some that I haven't met. I see
Speaker 2: the work they're doing and their passion about sharing Bob's
Speaker 2: legacy is inspiring to me every single day. So you know,
Speaker 2: you've as a creator, all the creators that were at
Speaker 2: that Gateway program have joined a great body of people yea,
Speaker 2: that have this vision and mission of sharing it with
Speaker 2: now with eighty million people, which is it's a huge deal.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, the eighty million people. Do you
Speaker 1: want to run back the M five thousand. I want
Speaker 1: to get into that.
Speaker 2: No, not yet. Well the M five thousand, well, we
Speaker 2: can talk a little bit about it. The M five
Speaker 2: thousand is what just the concept, Yeah, and with what
Speaker 2: Bob had earmarked as sort of the name for Gateway
Speaker 2: in the early days. The conception of it is that
Speaker 2: he simply wanted to reach five thousand people with this experience.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 1: Early days, yeah, like the seventies, right, the.
Speaker 2: Beginning of this idea of him having a program where
Speaker 2: people could come and experience this. Five thousand. If I
Speaker 2: could just get five thousand people to experience this, we
Speaker 2: changed the world. And I know in the last year,
Speaker 2: maybe a little more. I'm not sure on the numbers.
Speaker 2: I just recall in this amazing state of shock, but
Speaker 2: not really, but this amazing state of shock went in
Speaker 2: a staff meeting and Paul says, in this year, we've
Speaker 2: reached a million people.
Speaker 1: No way is that through like expanding everything.
Speaker 2: Or expand our YouTube channel, you know, outreach people, you know,
Speaker 2: purchasing Monroe Sound Science exercises.
Speaker 1: You know, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: We've reached a lot of people. And it's because of
Speaker 2: this body of people that you and the other creators
Speaker 2: are now part of.
Speaker 1: Plus Tom Campbell went on Joe Rogan, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of Stokes in the world.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's getting a lot of traction, and
Speaker 2: once I think it builds more momentum, it's just everyone
Speaker 2: will if everyone would just tell one friend, yeah, then
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 1: And I have a secret goal that I've kind of
Speaker 1: let you in on of going to content creators and
Speaker 1: bringing it to them, you know, and I'll just enough said,
Speaker 1: but you know, I've got my angle, I've got my avenue,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're right, it's like you can't help
Speaker 1: but want to share something amazing when people I've always
Speaker 1: seen this as the same thing as the orbs, but
Speaker 1: it's like a coin. One of them is heads and
Speaker 1: one of them is tails. The orbs is heads, and
Speaker 1: it's like you know, the the the I'll just say
Speaker 1: Monroe stuff out of body, consciousness, you know, altered perception,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Esp. I'll say that's tails, and you know,
Speaker 1: flip a coin, heads or tails. Do you want to
Speaker 1: have a visible, detectable awakening experience that chill your entire
Speaker 1: reality and like expands your consciousness or do you want
Speaker 1: to have one with your eyes closed that's inward. So
Speaker 1: there's external, there's internal, But they have the same effect.
Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing a supernatural being, or you're going
Speaker 1: out in your body, or you're bilocating and you're seeing
Speaker 1: your wife, you know, walk through the grocery store when
Speaker 1: you're laying in your bed meditating, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: They're the same thing. To me, they're truly the same thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, one is out, one is in, one
Speaker 1: is within, one is without. But so I see it
Speaker 1: as one mission, you know what I've been doing my
Speaker 1: whole life, you know, getting on board with Monroe. And
Speaker 1: I asked you the question about the in five thousand,
Speaker 1: because and I talked about this on my three part
Speaker 1: Gateway series that this this purpose and mission is when
Speaker 1: I learned that. The first day at Gateway, or the
Speaker 1: second day, technically the first day you get in, it's
Speaker 1: kind of late, it's orientation whatever. But the second day
Speaker 1: of Gateway, you know, we talked about the purpose and
Speaker 1: the mission of the institute, and it was like that
Speaker 1: moment was what caught me when I fell in love.
Speaker 1: When I heard the purpose in the mission, which is
Speaker 1: to awaken global human consciousness and to reach one percent
Speaker 1: of the world's population with awakening experiences.
Speaker 2: I remember so clearly that it was in the morning,
Speaker 2: maybe late morning, Yeah, And we finished that session, that debrief,
Speaker 2: and you blined it right to me. I remember this
Speaker 2: so clearly, and you are just like a kidney came
Speaker 2: after you could not you could not contain yourself the
Speaker 2: excitement of that concept and then you didn't stop the
Speaker 2: whole week. You were just so talke about the possibility
Speaker 2: of reaching that many people with this with again with yeah.
Speaker 1: Because my whole life I thought it was fifty yeah.
Speaker 1: And also one percent is way better than I agree
Speaker 1: with the institute. I like this, I'll take that number
Speaker 1: because my whole life, since I was a child, Dad
Speaker 1: and I discussed, like someday, when you know, fifty or
Speaker 1: fifty one percent of the world haven't experienced, they'll it'll shift.
Speaker 1: But literally, since childhood, I've I've stressed, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how are we going to reach four billion?
Speaker 2: That's who you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then I go to the institute and it's, you know,
Speaker 1: we believe it's one percent of the people. That's just
Speaker 1: eighty million of the population having some sort of advanced
Speaker 1: you know, uh, expanded consciousness experience that it'll change global
Speaker 1: it'll awaken global human consciousness. I'm like, dang, that's a
Speaker 1: that's that's perfect, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm in, yeah, hey, let me ask you this. Ryan.
Speaker 2: So we're kind of talking about me. I don't know
Speaker 2: if anybody has done this, but I'm just going to
Speaker 2: do this. So Okay, since your experience at Monroe and
Speaker 2: with Monroe stuff, because I know you did some stuff
Speaker 2: and did some exercises before and you knew about it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, but you had some inkling, just maybe heard
Speaker 2: some tapes or something. But since sort of officially engaging
Speaker 2: a program doing Gateway and after, can you pick a
Speaker 2: moment that really sort of capped it for you that
Speaker 2: this was a deeply profound and life altering experience. You
Speaker 2: mean at Gateway, not at Gateway anything after You're Monroe,
Speaker 2: something at Monroe that really kind of tipped you over
Speaker 2: the edge of this was a really really deep and
Speaker 2: profound thing that you are now doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, yeah, first of all, I love you're the
Speaker 1: first person to ask me a question on my show.
Speaker 1: And I love that it switches it up. It is
Speaker 1: no but I love it. Yeah, I love it. It's creative
Speaker 1: creation station. But no, I appreciate being being in the
Speaker 1: in the in the hot seat. Man, this is this
Speaker 1: exciting opportunity. I can't blow it. So I'm gonna kind
Speaker 1: of give you the long version. Right. So, at Gateway,
Speaker 1: it was like moment to moment, hour to hour was
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is insane. Right, and throughout the
Speaker 1: week it was just an absolutely unbelievable experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that you were there. Do you remember. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say after a brief period of silence, it's
Speaker 1: not going too much detail. And we were in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: We had been silent for probably four or five hours
Speaker 1: last point, and you walked in and I looked at
Speaker 1: you and I just said, do we have any oat milk?
Speaker 1: Remember that, dude? I calculated in my head, hmm, do
Speaker 1: I keep going in this moment? Nah, my coffee is
Speaker 1: really important right now? No? No, no, actually it was. It
Speaker 1: was I asked are you being silent? And you thought
Speaker 1: about it and you said not not for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll talk for you. That was a hilarious moment. I
Speaker 1: think that was the last day of the second last day.
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to your question, So the whole week
Speaker 1: was profound. It was insane, right, I knew my life
Speaker 1: was changed. There were there were many elements of that
Speaker 1: week that I came home like a different person. But
Speaker 1: following that things continued to happen for me. I can't
Speaker 1: speak for others, right.
Speaker 2: And I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't create an expectation for others. But what I
Speaker 1: can do is truthfully speak about me. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you that since coming home from Gateway, and I've
Speaker 1: done other program since I've done one with you, actually
Speaker 1: two with your, one under you and one with you.
Speaker 1: I've done Guidelines with Joe Gallenberger and Beth wonderful people,
Speaker 1: amazing program. And then around that just having my own
Speaker 1: experiences at home and bed at night whatever. Since Gateway
Speaker 1: to now, which has been a year and four months,
Speaker 1: I've gone out of body around twelve times or more,
Speaker 1: even just laying in bed, just relaxing and poof, you know,
Speaker 1: or a huge acceleration of pre cognitive thoughts like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking something and it pops up on the TV or
Speaker 1: on a video game, or you know, a friend texts.
Speaker 2: Me, happened today.
Speaker 1: It happened today. I was deep and thought about Tom
Speaker 1: because I was in a store where he bought me
Speaker 1: something a tea shop for Virginny's birthday a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. He bought us all this tea equipment, and
Speaker 1: I was in the store and I was thinking about
Speaker 1: him because he and his fiance kind of had a
Speaker 1: hard time or something recently. Just something happened to them.
Speaker 1: It's okay, they're okay, but I was deep in thought
Speaker 1: about him for the first time in a few weeks,
Speaker 1: and then boom, he calls me. Stuff like that has
Speaker 1: ramped up since since Gateway, So I know I'm not
Speaker 1: the same. I know I'm a better man than I
Speaker 1: was in the sense that when I went to that place,
Speaker 1: I had a complex. I had a complex from childhood
Speaker 1: that I always had that my dad and brother were
Speaker 1: special because they were there on the Cape Fit River
Speaker 1: and I was not, and that my dad could remove
Speaker 1: you and do all these things, and my sister was
Speaker 1: an ord magnet, as my dad always said, and you
Speaker 1: know all this stuff. But nothing happens with me. Nothing
Speaker 1: goes on with me. I don't have esp My sister
Speaker 1: goes to the institute, she's going out of body. Nothing
Speaker 1: happened to me. That was my thoughts. Nothing happens to me,
Speaker 1: nothing goes on with me. I'm nobody special. And then
Speaker 1: I went to Gateway, and in my intake interview I
Speaker 1: even told Maya, I'm like, you know, she's saying, what
Speaker 1: are your intentions? I'm like, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: this stuff is great. My sister's been here, my dad's
Speaker 1: been here. I know it's real, but I don't really
Speaker 1: think I have any of these capabilities. I believe in
Speaker 1: out of body travel in theory, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's possible for me and all this stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just have an open mind and
Speaker 1: whatever happens happens. And I'm not like, you know about anything,
Speaker 1: like I don't really think I'm capable of any of
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: And we talked about it a lot that week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: over coffee. We talked about it, Yeah, a number of times, and.
Speaker 1: She's kind of smiled at me, and she's like, at
Speaker 1: least have an intention. I'm like, okay, that's fair. I
Speaker 1: have an intention that whatever I need to experience or
Speaker 1: whatever I do experience is meant for me. And that's enough,
Speaker 1: you know, because I've been in the game long enough,
Speaker 1: seeing orbs and all these things that I kind of
Speaker 1: know that you can't chase, like if you're too tense,
Speaker 1: like things won't happen. I know that from seeing light orbs, right,
Speaker 1: and I understood it was kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, whatever happened to happen,
Speaker 1: I'm not stressed about it. I don't even believe I
Speaker 1: can do these things, and then you know, the third day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh crap, I just popped out a body,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't think this was real for me. It was honestly
Speaker 1: a huge existential shock really, like after that happened to me.
Speaker 1: I tell this story on my episode with Emily Thomas.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've if you've heard it or anything,
Speaker 1: but we had Emily on and I tell the story
Speaker 1: because she talked me through it. I kind of come
Speaker 1: to her and secret at lunch and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: ever see the meme of Matthew McConaughey where he's smoking
Speaker 1: cigarette and his eyes really wide. That was me. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. I was like, Emily, I'm
Speaker 1: really kind of freaked out right now. And she passed
Speaker 1: me on the shoulder and she's like, you're okay, this
Speaker 1: this happens all the time and it's totally normal. And
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, this is normal. You're right, this
Speaker 1: is normal. No, I'm fine, You're right, this is normal.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: And then I go on and it goes on and on.
Speaker 1: But to get back to your question, by the time
Speaker 1: I got home, I was a changed man. I didn't
Speaker 1: have this complex anymore. I didn't have this you know
Speaker 1: life where I'm suppressing myself. I'm restricting I'm you know,
Speaker 1: imprisoning my my true nature. I didn't believe there was
Speaker 1: anything special for me. I'm just the guy that talks
Speaker 1: and reads books, you know, for my family. Right, So
Speaker 1: it profoundly changed me. It wasn't one moment like you asked,
Speaker 1: what was the thing that there was no thing it was.
Speaker 1: It was tons of things. It was a seeking quints
Speaker 1: of events unfolding to where I came home and it's
Speaker 1: like I'm laying in bed, I'm like, oh, my third
Speaker 1: eyes Paulson, and then whoosh, I'm seeing a past life
Speaker 1: and I'm out of body, and then all these things
Speaker 1: just happen and I'm not like trying to do these things,
Speaker 1: they just happen. So, yeah, I came back a changed person.
Speaker 1: I came back more smiley, h more more hopeful about
Speaker 1: the future, more connected to myself, more motivated to empower others.
Speaker 1: When I went to Gateway, I was at a point
Speaker 1: we were in the show three years. We have been
Speaker 1: doing the show three years, and I was at a
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, I love the show, I'm grateful
Speaker 1: to do this, but this isn't enough for me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to just talk at people for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. I have to do something more. And
Speaker 1: then poof, I get invited there and you know, I
Speaker 1: start having these incredible experiences and then next thing I know,
Speaker 1: I'm in class.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah for a year. And it's so
Speaker 2: great too, because you tell this in terms of your story,
Speaker 2: that it's you. You were changed you, there was more
Speaker 2: for you. And this is probably the most beautiful thing
Speaker 2: I witnessed, is people realizing that they've simply changed their
Speaker 2: own the perspective of their own self because you're still
Speaker 2: Ryan that registered and the Ryan that was the last
Speaker 2: one to leave Gateway. Actually I think it was Brad,
Speaker 2: wasn't I think he was the last one to drive
Speaker 2: off the property.
Speaker 1: But you were I was like second, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was bad.
Speaker 2: But you're still Ryan, but you had a new outlook.
Speaker 2: It's like what Bob says, a different overview, and it's
Speaker 2: it's beautiful because you realize that that sort of constriction,
Speaker 2: that suppressing of of Ryan is the very thing that
Speaker 2: we struggle with. Why why am I not this way,
Speaker 2: or why can't I have this in life? Or why
Speaker 2: is my life this way? It's because you're the one
Speaker 2: holding it in place that way, and you learn that
Speaker 2: you don't have to hold that in place, and then
Speaker 2: you go, oh, there you are, and that now has
Speaker 2: a place for an or an outlet to be expressed.
Speaker 2: And this is the beautiful part is you are extraordinary
Speaker 2: as Ryan, and Alex is extraordinary, very extraordinary as Alex,
Speaker 2: and you are now very simply being the unique perspective
Speaker 2: that no one has, no one else that and the
Speaker 2: world is begging for unique and authentic experiences and the
Speaker 2: only way that's going to happen and is if we
Speaker 2: can truly recognize that authentic expression. And this is what
Speaker 2: I see when I witness participants do the exercises, feel confused,
Speaker 2: feel like they don't understand, or they just frustrated, all
Speaker 2: the different you know, this spectrum of experiences that I
Speaker 2: am privileged to see, and I hold those all sacred
Speaker 2: because they're unique to each person. And it's so incredible
Speaker 2: to watch the realness appear in each of those participants' eyes, yes,
Speaker 2: and the joy they have, and even if they are frustrated,
Speaker 2: even those participants who leave frustrated, there is a different
Speaker 2: glimmer and they come to me or they say to
Speaker 2: me or send an email and say, you know, I
Speaker 2: know this didn't happen, but I'm so excited about doing
Speaker 2: this now. Yeah, and that's how the world's going to change. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one person at a time. If we if we can
Speaker 2: all change as individuals, the whole world changes.
Speaker 1: We were talking about it this morning over coffee and
Speaker 1: I just was making the comment to you because I
Speaker 1: really do see it this way, especially with some of
Speaker 1: the advancements that that I think maybe in the future
Speaker 1: for Monroe, as as technology gets better, right, but I
Speaker 1: totally see a future where it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: did you practice your tuba? Yes? Mom, okay, did you
Speaker 1: do your Monroe exercise? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's the thing, it's it's it's just amazing curriculum
Speaker 1: that you know in theory, if if everyone learned these techniques,
Speaker 1: would would their their total self would unfold more, which
Speaker 1: you know, what is your total self? Well, A part
Speaker 1: of that includes your multi dimensional nature. A part of
Speaker 1: that includes the extrasensory perception that you were born with,
Speaker 1: and it's your birthright because it's a part of your being.
Speaker 1: You know, a part of your total self includes being
Speaker 1: able to have precognitive thoughts or you know, to be
Speaker 1: able to remote view or all of these things. This
Speaker 1: is not just some funky stuff that people are into. No,
Speaker 1: this is inherent with each one of us because we
Speaker 1: are It's normal, yes, because we are more than our
Speaker 1: physical body. Right, this isn't just some like extra thing
Speaker 1: that a chosen few get, right, No, this is who
Speaker 1: we are. Right. And I totally see a future where
Speaker 1: this process is so refined. And it's already refined. But
Speaker 1: it's a curriculum, you know that. I just think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be ubiquitous. I think, as you know,
Speaker 1: it's like Xavier School for the gifted or Hardwarts. It
Speaker 1: really is that thing, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's it's the best one I've found.
Speaker 2: So and the beauty you've said it too, is it's
Speaker 2: so progressive and it's so curriculum. Yeah, it's so well
Speaker 2: thought out. In the brilliance of Bob's legacy is it's systematic.
Speaker 2: It's step by step. And I remember a guy that
Speaker 2: he gave a talk, and he talked about listening to
Speaker 2: your teachers. Listening to your instructors. They've gone through it,
Speaker 2: they understand it, which is why it's good to have
Speaker 2: a good teacher, because you know that they understand it.
Speaker 2: Follow their instructions, don't change it, don't turn it into
Speaker 2: what you think it should be. Just try it this way.
Speaker 2: Just try it this way, engage it the way they say,
Speaker 2: and if it works, great. If it doesn't, now you know,
Speaker 2: find something different, go to the next exercise, go to
Speaker 2: the next thing. But it's again the tools that you
Speaker 2: learn and you practice them and don't expect it to
Speaker 2: work instantly, not saying that it can't, but give yourself
Speaker 2: a little bit of grace. You're learning something new. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't try to teach a child something, and if
Speaker 2: they didn't do it the first time, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: be upset with them. No, you just say no, try
Speaker 2: it this way. Yet, we as adults, we don't give
Speaker 2: ourselves that flexibility. We place these, you know, unrealistic demands
Speaker 2: on ourselves. And so just follow the instructions, symptoms systematically,
Speaker 2: do the exercises, and then watch it unfold. Yeah, watch it.
Speaker 1: Something else that's really cool is the experience of people
Speaker 1: going there and spending a week or whether it's two days,
Speaker 1: whatever program they do, and it's their first exposure to this.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna keep you a little vague just because
Speaker 1: I talked about this a little bit on the Tom
Speaker 1: Campbell episode. This this individual has been on my show
Speaker 1: on full disclosure, like talking about some of these experiences.
Speaker 1: But just for the sake of names, I'll keep it vague.
Speaker 1: But this individual, she was she went to Gateway this
Speaker 1: summer and didn't feel like she really understood it. It's
Speaker 1: very cool, I love this, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not really doing anything, you know what I mean. A
Speaker 1: couple months go by, she came and did my first program,
Speaker 1: which was two weekends ago, and she in two days.
Speaker 1: And it's not because of me, right, it's because of
Speaker 1: the work she did. Just talking about how you were
Speaker 1: saying it can unfold later, you know, everybody's on a
Speaker 1: different path. But at the six days and then coming
Speaker 1: and doing the two day program of me, it was
Speaker 1: just like boom, like the floodgates opened and started having
Speaker 1: all these profound experiences and it was like she was
Speaker 1: able to understand the Gateway more. And then you know
Speaker 1: it was like all that prep work had been established
Speaker 1: so that by the time she came and did a
Speaker 1: re up on it, which is, you know, the program
Speaker 1: we do is exploring Consciousness, which is you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like the first two days of Gateway with some alterations.
Speaker 1: So it's like she, Okay, I've done this stuff before
Speaker 1: for a week. Now this time I have a little
Speaker 1: bit more understanding to it, and she just soared. And
Speaker 1: everyone's different, you know, some people like me, for example,
Speaker 1: I got the Gateway and I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm in and I was just like on
Speaker 1: it the whole week, and it's just having so many
Speaker 1: experiences and so many profound developments and realizations. And then
Speaker 1: some people, as you know, they're like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: really cool, but I just feel like I'm not really
Speaker 1: doing they're not really getting it, and then they go
Speaker 1: back and it's like boom. It's it's just amazing how
Speaker 1: the path is different for everybody. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say, I'm trying to keep it vague, to
Speaker 1: not divulge, you know, up front about certain things that
Speaker 1: should be experienced, but it's just amazing. It's it's amazing
Speaker 1: how everybody's on a different journey and it's individual.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's just your unique perspective. It's your
Speaker 2: unique and authentic expression of your total self and what
Speaker 2: the gift you have to share with people, not what
Speaker 2: you logically think you oh, I want people to know this. No,
Speaker 2: there's something bigger and broader to who you are, and
Speaker 2: that's what the world is hungry for. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: everyone has something that not everyone else has.
Speaker 1: That's totally true.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that you know, she did the prep
Speaker 2: work the first time she did Gateway and then kind
Speaker 2: of came back to that foundation that you learned in
Speaker 2: those first couple of days. And I trained a program
Speaker 2: recently and during one of the sessions, one of the
Speaker 2: participants asked, well, you know you as trainers. They ask,
Speaker 2: both both Beth and myself, well, what's your favorite best
Speaker 2: exercise that you go to? You know, you guys are
Speaker 2: trainers in your advance ants and all of that whatever
Speaker 2: that means. You know, you guys, what's your favorite one
Speaker 2: to do? And you best shared hers and I said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have a favorite one, but
Speaker 2: the one that I always return to is the one
Speaker 2: that we learn on the first day of Exploring Consciousness
Speaker 2: and the first day of Gateway. And it's the fundamental
Speaker 2: exercise that all the Monroe programs and all of the
Speaker 2: curriculum is built upon, And it's knowing how to really
Speaker 2: deeply relax the body but still maintain awareness and have
Speaker 2: your mind to be awake, because that's where the work happens,
Speaker 2: both intentional and also even passive work to really sort
Speaker 2: of unplug from the body and or just allow it
Speaker 2: to just to be at rest and.
Speaker 1: To undo limiting beliefs.
Speaker 2: And that happens when you aren't worried about aches and
Speaker 2: pains or you know, am I tall enough? Or you know,
Speaker 2: is my hair too short? Or whatever it is, you
Speaker 2: know it's no. You get to have you get to
Speaker 2: have time with inner awareness and be awake and alive
Speaker 2: in that when most of the time when we deeply
Speaker 2: relax our body, we fall asleep because we're so tired,
Speaker 2: which is okay, But when you're ready to do the work,
Speaker 2: it helps to be aware so you can be intentional
Speaker 2: in the work. And so coming back to your participant,
Speaker 2: she had done the work, yeah, and then you guided
Speaker 2: her through this and she engaged it intentionally she was ready.
Speaker 2: And that's what I said at the beginning, come to it,
Speaker 2: wanting that change to like truly authentically wanting to that
Speaker 2: change and being ready to accept it and surrender to
Speaker 2: it and say, you know what, I really am ready,
Speaker 2: And that's when the real fun stuff starts to happen.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. Wow, this has been amazing. I'm curious
Speaker 1: if there's anything Let me just say this. This is
Speaker 1: something I like to ask people. Okay, it's not a
Speaker 1: tough question. I just think it's very interesting to hear
Speaker 1: people's perspective. Right if you were being heard simultaneously by
Speaker 1: everybody in the world at the same time, like you
Speaker 1: had the world stage, what's the thing that you feel
Speaker 1: you would need to tell those people?
Speaker 2: I think I would ask the question again right back
Speaker 2: to the B and I asked this question, do you
Speaker 2: feel that you are connected to everyone? M Do you
Speaker 2: feel like this whole concept of we are all one?
Speaker 2: And I think most people would say, yeah, well we're
Speaker 2: all humans, so yeah, we're connected. That could be their
Speaker 2: way of answering the question without getting too weird, like
Speaker 2: we were saying, you know, slash extraordinary. Do you feel
Speaker 2: that we're all one. Yes, then I would simply say,
Speaker 2: then what you're doing to your neighbor, you're doing to yourself.
Speaker 2: If you don't like it, change it. And it starts
Speaker 2: one by one because people are doing atrocious things to
Speaker 2: one another and they don't realize when your life is unhappy,
Speaker 2: why are you experiencing unhappy? Why are you experiencing pain?
Speaker 2: Why are you experiencing misery? Well, what is it that
Speaker 2: you're doing to others, even in subtle ways, that ultimately
Speaker 2: you're doing to yourself, Because we're all one. So I
Speaker 2: would say it would be so beneficial for you and
Speaker 2: everyone around you to realize that and to accept that
Speaker 2: as a personal truth that we're all connected, and that
Speaker 2: you are treating yourself that way, And if you don't
Speaker 2: like it, start treating other people in service and in
Speaker 2: love and in giving, and that becomes the nature of
Speaker 2: your experience in life.
Speaker 1: I think it's even deep, like more more deep too,
Speaker 1: like as far as our thoughts even that in some level, Wait,
Speaker 1: if I can think about another location around the world
Speaker 1: and view some coordinate and it's once upon a time
Speaker 1: there was you know, military facilities where people are thinking
Speaker 1: about coordinates and receiving information from around the world. If
Speaker 1: I can think about leaving the body and I do it.
Speaker 1: If I can think about you know, sex y z
Speaker 1: thing and it happens, and there's some level of reality
Speaker 1: being altered just by me thinking what's happening to other
Speaker 1: people when I think about them on the subtle level
Speaker 1: or energetically. You know, what's happening when I direct my
Speaker 1: thoughts towards another person. So maybe I shouldn't think so
Speaker 1: negative and judgmentally about this person.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the whole concept of people wanting to
Speaker 2: manifest instantly. I want to be able to manifest and
Speaker 2: you know, create this thing. I want this, and I
Speaker 2: always when I have this conversation with people, I asked them,
Speaker 2: I said, how clean are your thoughts? How how much
Speaker 2: goodness is there in your thoughts? Do you ever say, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm just so sick of that. That's a subtle thought
Speaker 2: you're having and you make me sick. Well, if you
Speaker 2: could manifest those words instantly, I think you'd be very
Speaker 2: cautious about saying that anymore.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely onto something.
Speaker 2: And so if people can really be thoughtful and clear,
Speaker 2: no clear about their thoughts, they would send a beautiful
Speaker 2: thought to everyone they saw. And watch your thoughts around
Speaker 2: the person that cuts you off in traffic. You don't,
Speaker 2: you know, curse Adam, you say, you know, I hope
Speaker 2: they're okay because they must be in a hurry, and
Speaker 2: wherever they're going, I hope they get there safely.
Speaker 1: You know. In January, which is funny because I took
Speaker 1: your program in December, almost a year ago, and we
Speaker 1: talked about this, right, Remember you were like for a year,
Speaker 1: I didn't use the word just. We had a whole
Speaker 1: conversation for days, and Alex and I continue to talk
Speaker 1: about this sometimes, about the concept of like changing our language,
Speaker 1: you know, but that all can go out the door
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're really upset. And in January, something happened
Speaker 1: that for me was very negative. Not something I did,
Speaker 1: but something that kind of happened to me, right, And
Speaker 1: I was so upset about this. I was just like,
Speaker 1: it makes me sick, it makes me sick, Like this
Speaker 1: makes me freaking sick. I got the flu for a week.
Speaker 1: That week, just in a matter of days, I was
Speaker 1: bedridden with the flu. I remember I was so sick
Speaker 1: that I watched an entire sixty to seventy Arc of
Speaker 1: One Piece, I had to say that, Yeah, you did
Speaker 1: an entire sixty to seventy episode of arc. But that's
Speaker 1: true story though Arc of One Piece laying on the
Speaker 1: bed because I was sick with the flu. So I
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely onto something.
Speaker 2: And if you're that, if you're that powerful to be
Speaker 2: able to speak some words into an experience, yeah, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you choose other words? Why would you wish ill
Speaker 2: on somebody else when it's just as easy to wish
Speaker 2: goodness on somebody or a beautiful experience or understanding, understanding
Speaker 2: and then guess what, if you are connected or part
Speaker 2: of them, you are simply wishing that upon yourself. And
Speaker 2: so the idea of service for others, giving to others,
Speaker 2: being accepting of others, loving, We're not all perfect. We're
Speaker 2: not going to do it all the time, but be
Speaker 2: careful about wanting to be able to manifest on the spot,
Speaker 2: or at least begin to be more aware of how
Speaker 2: you think because you are that powerful.
Speaker 1: I do believe there is a future. Like Robert Monroe
Speaker 1: writes in his third book, you remember what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: He goes to the year three thousands, I'll just tell
Speaker 1: Alex because he don't know the story. He goes to
Speaker 1: the year three thousand, right, because when he starts going
Speaker 1: out of body thousands and thousands of times, he's gone
Speaker 1: to the past, he's going to the future, he's going
Speaker 1: to other dimensions, he's going to other realities, he's speaking
Speaker 1: to different intelligences. All kinds of things are happening. And
Speaker 1: at the end of his third book, it's really incredible,
Speaker 1: he goes to what he perceives to be the year
Speaker 1: three thousand. And I'm not going to go into extreme
Speaker 1: detail because it's like a whole chapter or two, but
Speaker 1: essentially he sees a world where the physical body is
Speaker 1: an experience and it's like our primary existence is not
Speaker 1: even the physical body anymore, but it's just like thought
Speaker 1: and energy, and it's like, hey, you want to go
Speaker 1: hop in a body real quick, and we can hang
Speaker 1: out and like eat apples and just experience being physical
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Sure, and they just pop in
Speaker 1: a body and they can just manifest with thought. They
Speaker 1: can just travel through the power of their mind, and
Speaker 1: nobody's hungry, nobody's like in poverty, and people literally just
Speaker 1: think and it occurs and I do think that's possible.
Speaker 1: I do think that's our future. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think things like levitation, manifesting through thought, all of that
Speaker 1: is real, and I suspect that there was some precursor
Speaker 1: humanity maybe if we want to talk about like the
Speaker 1: whole Atlantis thing, I'm just saying the concept like I think,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what we were, and then we've
Speaker 1: been evolving back up to that point. I think that's
Speaker 1: the cycle of humanity every time that that's where it
Speaker 1: goes at the next like branch off point past physical evolution.
Speaker 1: And I think exactly what you just said, you nailed
Speaker 1: it on the head, which is like, be careful about
Speaker 1: wanting to manifest on the spot. And I think that's
Speaker 1: part of how we evolved to that point. Is it's
Speaker 1: not just a biological evolution, but it's spiritual and that
Speaker 1: has to do with us becoming more and more and
Speaker 1: more loving and kind and pure so that these powers.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, if this was real and we manifested
Speaker 1: with thought, then that's why society was probably wiped out
Speaker 1: because people are thinking really bad thoughts, you know, boom
Speaker 1: boom boom, devastating the land, sink them beneath the ocean,
Speaker 1: you know, wiping out humanity, cataclysm. That's why we have
Speaker 1: to think good thoughts. We have to think good you know,
Speaker 1: good words, good thoughts teach. We have to be kind
Speaker 1: to other people.
Speaker 2: We have to be loving and constructive and congressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see unity, you know, or as Tom Campbell says,
Speaker 1: brilliant reduce entropy, right, because I do think that's where
Speaker 1: we're headed, where more and more is going to be
Speaker 1: possible through thought. Right, Maybe that's extreme. Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: manifest and apple with thought. Maybe that's possible. Maybe it's not,
Speaker 1: but the point remains, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what you said too. You know,
Speaker 2: if it's a physical manifestation or evolution, I think it's
Speaker 2: or you said, or a spiritual or I think it's both.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think it's spiritual because what follows
Speaker 2: is the experience in the physical. It starts at thought,
Speaker 2: an idea, And to what you say, well, is this
Speaker 2: a future thing or this could be I asked the question,
Speaker 2: where did the idea of that concept arrive from? Perhaps
Speaker 2: it already existed that way and it's a memory. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because that idea I had to come from somewhere. Did
Speaker 2: somebody just conjure it up, like, oh, this is going
Speaker 2: to be new or is it something? It's a part
Speaker 2: of our DNA that's remembered. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of the work that we do is about remembering. And
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot it's important to remember what
Speaker 2: in who we are because we've never changed. The core
Speaker 2: of what we are was always this, but the experiences
Speaker 2: have changed, evolutions or destruction or construction of things. Is
Speaker 2: it the future or is it really a remembrance of
Speaker 2: something that already was?
Speaker 1: That's deep. I never thought about it like that. My
Speaker 1: friend Jefferson told me recently, and this too is so brilliant.
Speaker 1: But for every one of us, there's ten children that
Speaker 1: are nonverbal and they can't turn it off, you know,
Speaker 1: telepathy tapes yea, and they're constantly hearing thoughts and they're
Speaker 1: speaking to spirits and they're seeing in the future, and
Speaker 1: they're doing all this stuff. For every one of us,
Speaker 1: there's ten of them. You know, something's going on here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Humanity's headed somewhere and it's inevitable.
Speaker 1: And I think the way to get to that destination is,
Speaker 1: like what you said, which was, you know, be kind,
Speaker 1: remember we're all one, be loving to other people. We
Speaker 1: can't be bestowed. My friend Dan told me this, Dan Brulay.
Speaker 1: He said, the universe cannot or the universe will not
Speaker 1: give you powers until you are ready to wild them.
Speaker 1: You can't just have the power to do anything you
Speaker 1: want with your thoughts because then if you're you know,
Speaker 1: an egotistical, self serving person, you might you know, do
Speaker 1: some bad with that. And I really do think that
Speaker 1: these sort of abilities that can unfold from us from
Speaker 1: our psyche, you know, that they're kind of locked behind
Speaker 1: a little door. And the way to unlock that door
Speaker 1: spiritual path kindness, you know, purging your karma, walking on
Speaker 1: you know, a path of service to others, uplifting others,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing up humanity. Right, And I could go
Speaker 1: on and on and on and on about that. But
Speaker 1: that's why I love Monroe, because it's on that path.
Speaker 2: Because when you uplift yourself, you uplift the whole. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because as consciousness is one thing, and so in your awareness,
Speaker 2: if you are evolving and progressing, you lift the hole.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. True. But also I think they always say
Speaker 1: to teach is to learn twice you know. So I
Speaker 1: think to help others and to uplift others and to
Speaker 1: you know, bring them up with you is just like multiplied.
Speaker 1: You know, your your growth, your inner journey, and you know,
Speaker 1: a rising tide lifts all ships. So I think, I
Speaker 1: truly think that's the future we're headed. Something like, you know,
Speaker 1: the curriculum of of Monroe will be ubiquitous. It'll be everywhere. Hey,
Speaker 1: I just got done practicing too, but great, do your
Speaker 1: prep processing, you know what I mean, come on ten
Speaker 1: minutes or something like that. Like it's gonna be everywhere common,
Speaker 1: whether it's said exactly yeah, common, and and it's it's
Speaker 1: like gonna just be so ingrained in humanity. There's there's
Speaker 1: really a magic here. But the magic isn't us. It's
Speaker 1: just a you know that the curriculum of Monroe is
Speaker 1: a really good teacher to pull the magic out of
Speaker 1: you that's already there. And I'm telling you, I went
Speaker 1: to that place with a complex and I had myself
Speaker 1: locked into prison, and I came out of that self
Speaker 1: with my limiting beliefs completely eradicated and just going down
Speaker 1: a completely different path, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you had a new map yeah, yep, new map, Yep,
Speaker 2: new direction.
Speaker 1: Great answer. I think this is the longest we've ever
Speaker 1: hovered on that final question. I like to ask people
Speaker 1: at the end, you know, what would you tell the
Speaker 1: whole world? I think we went like twenty minutes on it.
Speaker 1: That was great, fantastic And if you guys are sad
Speaker 1: that we're about to wrap up with Ignacio Fretnt because
Speaker 1: he will be returning next week along with my sister.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a really fun one. I'm really
Speaker 1: looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: So any last words, No, come join us at Monroe
Speaker 2: experience the programs online, yeah, in person and coming to
Speaker 2: locations near you as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, maybe I'll wait a little longer down the
Speaker 1: road to talk more about that. Yeah, there's some expansion
Speaker 1: under you know, going going on at the moment. But
Speaker 1: what about your programs. I want them to be able
Speaker 1: to find you. Oh sure, yeah, your your links and things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my links for exploring consciousness which are virtual in person,
Speaker 2: uh siphericsolutions dot com. You can see information about my programs,
Speaker 2: music that I write that's available online Monroe related music related.
Speaker 2: So there, and I think we can list it in
Speaker 2: the description as well. So yes, Azabella at Monroe Institute
Speaker 2: dot org. Okay, you'll find me there as well.
Speaker 1: As well as any sort of artist collaboration that exists
Speaker 1: where musicians such as my sister tune in next week.
Speaker 1: But any sort of collaboration where musicians are, you know,
Speaker 1: putting out music that's using the Monroe Sound Science, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the man behind the scenes that's that's doing this.
Speaker 1: So really talented artists out there, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're seeking, this is the guy. But anyways, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining. We will see you next week next week.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a blast. I love it. Long
Speaker 1: time coming, yeah, long time coming, and we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it again tomorrow, which for their perspective is next week.
Speaker 1: So to that, I will say bye, guys.
Speaker 2: Bye, guys.
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