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<v Speaker 1>Weird thing that weird weird. Hey, guys, welcome to Bledsoe said, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Ryan Bledsoe. You knew that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>this new thing that I like doing where I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of introduced that because my wife thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea. We're joined by Alex and then tonight

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<v Speaker 1>we have an extraordinary, unbelievably epic guest, my friend Ignacio

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<v Speaker 1>here with us. Where We're going to get into that

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. He's one of the very first people

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<v Speaker 1>I ever met at the Monroe Institute. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing conversation. I have no doubt about that. But

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<v Speaker 1>without further ado, we have my wonderful, amazing friend Ignacio.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing man good?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Ryan Good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, finally, Yeah, been some time, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>been like a hear in the work work. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about how we came together, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of fuzzy on that little bit. How you

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Met so I was talking with Emily today and asking, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the timeline and really trying to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we connected on Instagram at first and

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<v Speaker 2>reached out. Knew she was a musician with the idea of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some kind of collaboration, and we got to

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<v Speaker 2>talking and you know, talked about our past with music

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<v Speaker 2>and music study and piano, and we tossed around, oh

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<v Speaker 2>we worked on this music and oh you know that

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<v Speaker 2>piece too, and so on, and then you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>talked over time and then Gateway Line last June was

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<v Speaker 2>happening with me. Yes, and I knew you were there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you knew that I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be there. I was in you know, the room

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<v Speaker 2>as people were gathering, and you walked in and you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the guy I'm supposed to meet. You know, big

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<v Speaker 2>hugs as usual, and you know, great friendships born. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I don't know if I knew in

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<v Speaker 1>advance that you were going to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anybody somebody that Emily said there's somebody

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<v Speaker 2>you have to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, she had been telling me about you and

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, you know, she was already working on her album,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were already in talks to collaborate about that,

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<v Speaker 1>so I knew who you were. But when I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Gateway last summer, and what we're talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>when I went to Gateway for the first time for

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<v Speaker 1>that whole Creator's program, Ignasio was there. Ignacio was one

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<v Speaker 1>of them monrostitute staff who went through the program with

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<v Speaker 1>us the creators, just to kind of be a present

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<v Speaker 1>body to make sure it runs smoothly. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>it did, so Ignasio was They're doing the program with us,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were there a staff, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an interesting thing. But I didn't know you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be there until the day I got there.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I signed in, I saw a list of

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's name and I was like, oh, crazy, Agnasio's here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And then there was like half a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>other people that I recognized, or four or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, truly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we talk about you a little bit on

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<v Speaker 1>on the three part series that I did about that

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<v Speaker 1>Gateway trip, but also sometime this past year, Alex and

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<v Speaker 1>I and if you don't mind finding that episode for

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<v Speaker 1>me so we could plug it Alex and I did

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<v Speaker 1>an entire and Nick, right, wasn't he he was still

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<v Speaker 1>on the show at that point, Right, We did an

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<v Speaker 1>entire episode about our experience that we did with your

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<v Speaker 1>Creation Station program.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last December, So well wait.

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<v Speaker 1>For Alex to find that number. So if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>want to go listen to that, so you can see

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<v Speaker 1>kind of some of the stuff and getting idea with

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<v Speaker 1>what Agnossia was doing at the Institute. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so what do you do at the institute?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of stuff. Yes, I'm a trainer at the Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>guest trainer. I teach Creation Station, which is a program

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<v Speaker 2>that is geared toward the creative arts, music production, and

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<v Speaker 2>really any branch of the arts, because essentially, tapping into

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<v Speaker 2>creative intelligence creative data can be applied in whatever medium

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<v Speaker 2>you know of art, you participate in create and so,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was geared toward musicians and composers, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>to help artists really plug into creative inspiration. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes you run into what are considered blocks. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm stuck, I don't know what to do, and we

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<v Speaker 2>provide tools to help people, first of all, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>move away from the distraction of the physical their body

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<v Speaker 2>and how they're feeling into creative data, inspiration, ideas, thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>and then to go into these deep states during meditation

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of download that information and then come back

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<v Speaker 2>to the here and now and turn that into a

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<v Speaker 2>work of art, music, poem, book, Invention podcast podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. Yeah, I appreciate that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>held sort of a private class for us, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do think we really benefited Episode two one one. Really

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<v Speaker 1>it was that recent. Wow, I guess that's about half

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<v Speaker 1>the years weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interesting part about that too is this happens

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<v Speaker 2>when participant participants go through you know, they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>expect something to happen quickly. Well, sometimes it does. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it happens like much like with Emily, right away during

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<v Speaker 2>the program during their experiences, and then some it takes

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<v Speaker 2>a little time for things to sort of blossom and grow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I found it so interesting because you were super

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<v Speaker 2>excited after it all. Everybody was so excited experience, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought things were going to happen, and then everything

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got quiet, but you guys were slammed. You

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<v Speaker 2>were so busy, and then all of a sudden, a

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<v Speaker 2>few months ago, you said, you know what, Nawzia, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to this. We really want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you cranked out the episodes about Creation Station

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<v Speaker 2>and your experience there, and you said to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize, but as soon as we did that,

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<v Speaker 2>our schedule was full. Yeah, and you this is why

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<v Speaker 2>it's episode two one, because you had other stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of came up. And that's kind of how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't go the way we logically think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go. It goes the way it needs to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Something I noticed too, and I think we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the episode we did on episode two a one.

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<v Speaker 1>But looking back on my notes for that program, so

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<v Speaker 1>we did it in December of twenty twenty four with you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And then when did that episode come out? It was

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<v Speaker 1>probably around March we recorded it. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense because six months ago is April, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would have come out in a few weeks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>four months ago. I think we recorded it in March,

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<v Speaker 1>so three months later, and even in that three month span,

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<v Speaker 1>looking back on some of the profound experiences we had,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was reading my notes and I was like, WHOA,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not remember it being this epic, cause I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like when you have some crazy event, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>having like expanded states of awareness, right, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is happening over a forty minute span, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you come out and then the following weeks you

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of remember that one part of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then reading your journal, it's like, WHOA, I don't remember this, this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>this and this. But I know that that creation station

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<v Speaker 1>program that we did with you was very profound for

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<v Speaker 1>a group, and it was the introduction to Monroe stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for Alex, for Olivia, for Nick Forkzy, for Jenny. And

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<v Speaker 1>here we are going down this path, going deeper and

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<v Speaker 1>deeper and deeper into the Monroe stuff. We're sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how we are we gonna get Alex the gateway,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we have an idea. Very soon, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get them there. But anyway, Yeah, so an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>How can people find that schedule to do your creation station?

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<v Speaker 2>Because go to Monroe Institute dot org, Monroe website and

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<v Speaker 2>just do a little search for a creation station. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a virtual program. So it's just like you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>did it. Everybody was in their own space and find

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend. It's two and a half days. Uh, really

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<v Speaker 2>full schedule. It's why it's hard to remember all the

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<v Speaker 2>details and why we encourage you to journal everything and

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<v Speaker 2>you come back to it and realize, Wow, this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can connect the dots six months later, ten

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<v Speaker 2>months later, now I understand what that was. In the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>it might not seem quite so big, and then something

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<v Speaker 2>happens and you go, that was that was pretty epic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was profound. It was. It was worth every bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I understand you're are you the only one

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<v Speaker 1>teaching that program?

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<v Speaker 2>No, yep, yep, I'm the only one. And since it's virtual,

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<v Speaker 2>we keep the number small, so it's generally a group

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<v Speaker 2>ten to twelve people. It's nice because we really get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to know one another in the program, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially because it's a lot of like minded individuals. Participants

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<v Speaker 2>who are in the arts or creative or people actually

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<v Speaker 2>will sign up. They simply want to be creative. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't see themselves as creative and feel like they get

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of nudge that this could be something to

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<v Speaker 2>help them find that creative outlet, and it has for

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<v Speaker 2>a number of people. They comment, they send me emails

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<v Speaker 2>after and just say, you know, I didn't realize how

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<v Speaker 2>creative I really was, but I just became aware that

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<v Speaker 2>it was there. So you find the schedule there. We

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<v Speaker 2>add virtual programs as needed, and just sign up right

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<v Speaker 2>on the website. You'll pick a date that's that's convening

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<v Speaker 2>it and join us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. I'm curious too, and of course I know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to go deeper in this. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of pull apart like your journey into consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know that didn't just start with Monroe. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been with them what three years now officially, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>three years?

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<v Speaker 2>About three years years little more than three years.

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<v Speaker 1>there things? You know? So let's go way back to

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<v Speaker 2>it all at once, it would be deafening. So what

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<v Speaker 2>that ultimately led me to beyond BLEDSOE said, so all

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<v Speaker 2>of it and we don't think about it in those terms,

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<v Speaker 2>but really that did land me here? And how did

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<v Speaker 2>it connect? You know, that weird thought or those weird

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the extraordinary. It's not weird anymore now it's

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<v Speaker 2>just extraordinary. And so so that, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always I kind of ask funny questions like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Studied music through you know, my younger years, and so

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<v Speaker 2>time in music, and which I loved. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>that I do now, which is really the work of dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to combine the two worlds that mean the

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<v Speaker 2>most to me, music and consciousness exploration. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>what an opportunity and a privilege and just truly dream

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<v Speaker 2>come true to be in this space. But even while

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<v Speaker 2>and time and you know, as best I could at

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<v Speaker 2>put in a boombox and lit some incense, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're supposed to do when you do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>meditation turned the lights out, and I just sat and

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<v Speaker 2>listened to this music and kind of got lost in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure what I was doing. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. All I knew is you sat quietly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it was great. And I would try

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<v Speaker 2>that every now and then. But then it was always

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<v Speaker 2>about music, always about music again alone, completely focused on music.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast forward and you know, my early twenties, I learned

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<v Speaker 2>transcendental meditation. I learned to meditate with a technique.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very curious about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can come back again.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love too. I would love to.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that really started my path into real, real

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness exploration and meditated regularly I had a really good

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<v Speaker 2>little break that I took around twenty ten, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was not a pleasant break. I knew that there was

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<v Speaker 2>something missing, so I've found a way of going back

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<v Speaker 2>to it. And the reason it was an unpleasant experience

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<v Speaker 2>is because that was what was missing. I just needed

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<v Speaker 2>to power through those those meditations. The frustration that comes

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<v Speaker 2>with meditation. You know, oh, I can't quiet my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>or I can't sit still, or I get uncomfortable or yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all these distractions and not realizing that all of that

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<v Speaker 2>is really crucial to your practice. It's nothing wrong with it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of it. Miscon That's exactly right. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand what meditation is supposed to be and is it

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<v Speaker 2>really about quieting your mind and trying to Everyone fights

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<v Speaker 2>and struggles to I can't stop my thoughts. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>stop my thoughts. But I often wonder, well, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stop the flow of thought? You want

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to manage it and focus on one

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<v Speaker 2>thought at a time and see what it holds. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the information that I need here? What is it that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to be learning? How is this going to

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<v Speaker 2>change my life, but instead we struggled to try to

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<v Speaker 2>be quiet and silence it. And silence it, we're silencing

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<v Speaker 2>the very creative intelligence that you could that could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be changing your life. So I continued meditating, and in

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty eighteen, I started doing a practice, a meditative

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And started reading books, new stuff that was coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots more time being at home. I read more,

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<v Speaker 2>started going down rabbit hole, just like most of the

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<v Speaker 2>world online. And this document comes across my desktop and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the CIA evaluation of Gateway. So I read

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<v Speaker 2>about it and then started exploring and decided to do

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<v Speaker 2>experience on my own over the course of seven months,

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew this was the real deal. The experiences

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<v Speaker 2>I was having were profound. To say the least, this

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<v Speaker 2>was profound, And so I explored and looked at the website,

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<v Speaker 2>scoured the Monroe website, discovered the expand app, and explored

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<v Speaker 2>all the meditations and exercises there, and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>them caught my attention, and so I reached out asked

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<v Speaker 2>about whether they had more of these types of exercises,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were working on it. And I asked where

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<v Speaker 2>they got their music, because the music's beautiful on there

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<v Speaker 2>and really great for meditative work. And they told me

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<v Speaker 2>where they got the music and if I knew somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that wrote music, send them their way. So well, as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, I know someone, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>submitted a sample and Paul, the executive vice president and

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<v Speaker 2>CTO at the institute said, this is really we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for something like this, and we have this program that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to invite you to coming up in June.

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<v Speaker 2>This I talked to him in April in June of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, and so they called me up. I

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<v Speaker 2>flew out and this was Creation Station. Oh cool, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it was the first Creation station. It was residentials

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<v Speaker 2>for a week and it was a profound experience and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to a lot of people there. I met Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO, and she said, well, you know, you know music,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what we do here, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should see if we can collaborate. And so cut

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<v Speaker 2>to the chase. I am now one of the audio engineers.

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<v Speaker 2>I write music for the Institute for Expand app along

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<v Speaker 2>with the training and work with other artists to collaborate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I need help curate new artists new music,

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<v Speaker 2>and we collaborate by enhancing their music with Monroe Sound

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<v Speaker 2>Science so we can share it with the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and what's your official title.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the Director of Music Strategy and Development. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the objective is to curate and diversify our music catalog

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<v Speaker 2>with our new advancing audio technology, with new genres of sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course the ambient music, meditation music that we're used to,

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<v Speaker 2>but new sounds, more modern sounds, some slightly more energetic sounds,

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<v Speaker 2>so that we have a variety of sound to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. That's just so crazy. And there's more to

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<v Speaker 1>this story. We're gonna peel it back because, as I recall,

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<v Speaker 1>when you were read child, you somehow or another, in

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<v Speaker 1>hindsight realized you already had some experience with this technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. And so I in working on diversifying the catalog,

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<v Speaker 2>I studied the music that had been previously released, got

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<v Speaker 2>to know it, and you know, a few months into

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<v Speaker 2>working on this project, trying to determine what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>music do we want to add to the catalog, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>listening to some of the older material, and realized that

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<v Speaker 2>the music that I had on that cassette tape when

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<v Speaker 2>I was eleven was an exercise of Bob's Wow. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I was already dipping into the Monroe stuff at

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<v Speaker 1>So did your parents just like have that or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Chiropractor gave us a tape that he had in his office.

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<v Speaker 2>that's really beautiful music. And our chiropractor is a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually worked for him. That was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>become a chiropractor. But it goes, you know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>straight line, right, and so he just said, oh, here

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<v Speaker 2>so there it was. Didn't realize, you know, And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course along the way, in actually the mid nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>I read Bob's books for the first time, and then

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<v Speaker 2>and she was a life saver, truly. She talked me

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<v Speaker 2>down from just being at a really well talk me down,

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<v Speaker 2>boosted me up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at a low point, feeling really sad and depressed,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just just in her sweet words, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she managed to to help me out with that. She

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<v Speaker 2>had given me a gift a CD and it was

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<v Speaker 2>here again there's Bob his books, this CD, and I

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was it was present there all along.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like almost like there were bread crumbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the Monroe's Atitute body of work was like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, bread crumbs just being sprinkled throughout your life,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like pulling you along this path. I'm finding that

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who are into this it's that way

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<v Speaker 1>for them, you know, agreed, But it's always had its

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like wow, this door opens up and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this is this is amazing. This is profound,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but that's wild. So you you start looking

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<v Speaker 1>really into Monroe, you reach out and you find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of walking the steps of becoming the director

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<v Speaker 1>of music strategy. But as I understand it, you're also

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<v Speaker 1>one of the guys who sits in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let me let me let me back up,

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<v Speaker 1>I would I'm curious to know what that's like. You know,

421
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<v Speaker 1>what is that like? What is that like actually making

422
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<v Speaker 1>the technology that enriches millions.

423
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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of facets to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I remember having a conversation we were

426
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<v Speaker 2>in the cafeteria in the dining room, actually signed a

427
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<v Speaker 2>cafeteria in the dining room at Monroe, and uh, having

428
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<v Speaker 2>a dinner with Alan during one of the programs, and

429
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<v Speaker 2>and she said, you know, we're gonna have you sign

430
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<v Speaker 2>this paper and then we want you to start working

431
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<v Speaker 2>with the team with the audio tech and creating exercises.

432
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<v Speaker 2>And so I started learning about Bob's methods and dove

433
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<v Speaker 2>right in and started, you know, sort of emulating what

434
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<v Speaker 2>he was doing and understanding what he was doing. And

435
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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden things started to make sense

436
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<v Speaker 2>how it worked. And then my supervisors of other you know,

437
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<v Speaker 2>people who did this, Paul. Of course, yep, go do it.

438
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<v Speaker 2>It's all tested, it's all reviewed before it goes out.

439
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<v Speaker 2>We're really careful about that cautiously because it's it reaches

440
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. We want to make sure it's

441
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<v Speaker 2>a good experience and easy to consume, so to speak.

442
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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a privilege. It's something very special, almost sacred

443
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<v Speaker 2>to me, because I've been handed a tool that can

444
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<v Speaker 2>change people's lives and does and it's not that it

445
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<v Speaker 2>does something for the individual, it supports them in their work.

446
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't have that when I was that

447
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<v Speaker 2>kid out on the lawn. I asked a question. You

448
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>have to come to the work wanting change, sincerely wanting change.

449
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<v Speaker 2>But if you want that, the support's there. And it's

450
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<v Speaker 2>astounding how powerful it is when you say I'm ready

451
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<v Speaker 2>for change, and with the support of this, you're able.

452
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<v Speaker 2>It's this that becomes a collaboration, you and Bob's research

453
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and years of you know, this of curiosity. You know,

454
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>when we did OTP together, we learned a lot about

455
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<v Speaker 2>Bob and his personality and who he was and his

456
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:18.400
<v Speaker 2>inquisitiveness and you know, his tenacity adventure. Yeah, to keep

457
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 2>trying and well, you know it's not It didn't kill me,

458
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just going to keep going, you know, in

459
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>his beautiful, simple, humorous and just don't give up kind

460
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<v Speaker 2>of way. Let's just go. I'll try it on myself.

461
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's if we come to the work that way.

462
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<v Speaker 2>You had this collaboration, you have the support with Monroe

463
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<v Speaker 2>Sound Science, you have your intention of wanting change or

464
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>wanting adventure or whatever it is, or healing whatever. You

465
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<v Speaker 2>bring that to the table and work with the audio tech.

466
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<v Speaker 2>You are going to see results. I've seen it number

467
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<v Speaker 2>one in my own self, and that's really the true test.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Don't look at other people for it. I don't look

469
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<v Speaker 2>just because I see other people succeeding at it. No, me, Me,

470
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<v Speaker 2>It starts with me. I agree, because if I can't,

471
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<v Speaker 2>if I can't do this work and I can't change,

472
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<v Speaker 2>why should I expect someone else to do it. Nope,

473
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna step up and I'm gonna do it. And

474
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<v Speaker 2>it's a practice that I'm very dedicated to, and it's

475
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<v Speaker 2>the only way I feel in good conscience that I

476
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>can ask someone else.

477
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>To do it. I never feel like I'm in competition

478
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.519
<v Speaker 1>with anyone about something else, Like in any aspect of life,

479
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I always feel like I'm in competition with me.

480
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<v Speaker 2>To become the better version of you from yesterday. Yeah.

481
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I've just always intrinsically understood this. But then

482
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 1>you go and you sort of get into this thing

483
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<v Speaker 1>and you go to you know, Monroe programs or whatever

484
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you do. I don't care if it's transitental meditation or

485
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, playing football or whatever, or playing piece of music. Yeah,

486
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 1>and there's always people that are looking around They're like

487
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 1>they do it better than me, and like it's not

488
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 1>about that. It's right, your journey's about you, you know.

489
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And there's some people at these Minroe programs that they'll, oh,

490
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 1>nothing's happening to me. Everyone around me is, you know,

491
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>eving the body or seeing you know, on the other

492
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 1>side of the room. And it's like, well, I mean,

493
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 1>your journey is not their journey, you know. I'm just

494
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>agreeing with what you said, right, Like, this is for you.

495
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 1>You have to show up and you you have to

496
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>be here for you and not be so concerned about

497
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 1>everyone else. I love that I love that philosophy. But

498
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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk a little bit because I'm a

499
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<v Speaker 1>big fan of INN, a real sound science big, big fan,

500
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>especially ever since I met you. I went and I

501
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 1>did Gateway last year, and you and I had a

502
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 1>lot of experiences where we were sort of connected in

503
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>another place you remember, yes, I do. Yeah. We would

504
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 1>be like seeing flashes of each other from across the

505
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, across the building and having message and all

506
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>kinds of weird things, and it was very interesting. But

507
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.839
<v Speaker 1>ever since meeting you, ever since doing Gateway, ever since

508
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>going through the path over the last year, becoming a trainer,

509
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>which news flash, Ignacio and I were in that program together.

510
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So for the last year I've been calling you my

511
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 1>study buddy, and we actually went and were trained together.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Because you didn't mention this in the start of the episode.

513
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<v Speaker 1>But you're also an outreach trainer, correct? So how many

514
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<v Speaker 1>ads do you wear? Like six? You're the you're the

515
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>director of music Strategy, You're a sound science engineer, You're

516
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>an outreach trainer, You're a guest trainer. Am I missing

517
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>anything like you? You are tapped in I cleaned the

518
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>pool during your Gateway Oh true? True?

519
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>The pool boy if it needs to get downe, you

520
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>just got to do it. That's important work, Man's that's

521
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>important work.

522
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's been fun. I like I was making

523
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>a joke this morning, or we were at lunch or

524
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 1>something or right before, it doesn't matter, and we were

525
00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 1>just talking about like what are we gonna talk about?

526
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:01.359
<v Speaker 1>What's gonna come up? And I'm like, dude, two of

527
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 1>the three times I've ever even been to the place,

528
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you've been there. Like pretty much my whole Monroe experience

529
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 1>has been with You've been like I have done I

530
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 1>think I've done four programs. You weren't in one of them.

531
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>It's my guideline. And then I've been there three times

532
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>physically you were there twice, Like you are a part

533
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of my journey with this place. You're You're like I

534
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 1>always think of people. This is how I know they're

535
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>for real, like some sort of spiritual mentor some sort

536
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>of like guide in my life. I always think of

537
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 1>people like a Jedi knight, and I think you're Yoda,

538
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Like for me, right, you're Yoda, Archie's Quai gon Gen,

539
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 1>And there's this other lit cast of people that have

540
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>a different Jedi that like this person's kind of like

541
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 1>a guide, but this is their personality, you know what

542
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean. So you guys are definitely part of my path.

543
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I'm a big fan of Monroe Sound Science,

544
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>especially because I know someone who who you know, makes

545
00:31:54.839 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Monroe Sound Science. And I'm just really curious about what

546
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was that like learning the brain being a pianist, right

547
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>that that's your home base, right right, piano, being a pianist,

548
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and then diving into this world of like consciousness work.

549
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>What was that like? Like having to learn brain wave states,

550
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>having to learn targeted states of consciousness, but also like

551
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>were you just nerding out about making music that's you know,

552
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>bringing people into such expanded states. I'm curious about the

553
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>inner journey of you learning this and doing this.

554
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 2>In the last last couple of days, I don't remember.

555
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was something we talked about too. It was

556
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting experience I had, you know, the MEWS device. Yeah,

557
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 2>so I was working with the MEWS device. I like

558
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>to kind of nerd out.

559
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's a brain like an EEG portable one.

560
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>And I decided one day I was going to play

561
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the piano and see what's what's going on? Good idea,

562
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 2>what's going on while this is happening, you know, because

563
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>you can tell when you go to certain brain states.

564
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And so I popped it on and made sure it

565
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>was reading looking at the app and I pulled out

566
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>a piece of music and I pulled out a relatively

567
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>complicated one that really required a lot of movement, a

568
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, processing left brain. And so I'm

569
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<v Speaker 2>playing probably about fifteen minutes. I get done, and I,

570
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, expect to see a lot of active, you know,

571
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>brain activity. And it was some of the deepest delta

572
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>I've ever experienced.

573
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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

574
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:43.119
<v Speaker 2>And so it's is a deeply relaxed state so to speak,

575
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>want akin to sleep, deep sleep, but I was fully active.

576
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 2>So it made me think about, well, what's happening when

577
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<v Speaker 2>in musicians playing music? Where do they go? Where are

578
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>they tapped in? What are they delivering? And from where?

579
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

580
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Are they making it up? I don't think? So are

581
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>you putting your own feeling in emotion which is a

582
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>human thing? Right? Well, some might this certainly wasn't that.

583
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 2>That's a whole different perspective I have on music and

584
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 2>emotion and music, But what's happening? And so then to

585
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>tight in with what you say with Monroe Sound science.

586
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 2>It's an incredible process to think of music that either

587
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm creating or that someone's created specifically for targeting specific

588
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>states of consciousness, that the music can take you to

589
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that space. Sort of just the nature of that sound

590
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 2>might do it. But then you have this science, this technique,

591
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>this method that deepens or enhances that. What a combination

592
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the synthesis of those two let's call them disciplines to

593
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 2>carry you into these deep states and then be able

594
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<v Speaker 2>to be aware while in that state like I was,

595
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't asleep playing this piece of music. I couldn't be

596
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I had to move thinking of what finger, what note

597
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm playing for? How long, how loud, how fast? Lots

598
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 2>of process So what's doing that?

599
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>That's very curious. How you're reaching delta while you're a

600
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<v Speaker 1>bit you know, it makes me wonder is your brain

601
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 1>repairing itself even you know, Yeah, there's a lot of

602
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>questions about this.

603
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:48.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's really such a neat experience to know

604
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>this music is carrying this entrainment that helps to cultivate

605
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:02.679
<v Speaker 2>these states in the brain that allow you to experience

606
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>these expanded states.

607
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just naturally went into the next thing I

608
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get into because obviously we can't peel away

609
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the secret sauce of this because it's for very good reason.

610
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily you know, public knowledge how this works.

611
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, so without peeling back too much, I wanted

612
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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what Monroe's sound science actually is because

613
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 1>we haven't even said that in trainment, and what this

614
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>process is in the brain, and what it is that

615
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>you're doing, right, you're making these I know what you're doing,

616
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying for the listener's sake, who maybe is

617
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I love hearing you talk about Monroe, but like, what

618
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>is it? You know what I mean? So let's talk

619
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 1>about that in trainment? What is Monroe sound Science?

620
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<v Speaker 2>So Monroe sound science is the latest advancing technology based

621
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<v Speaker 2>on Bob's research experience in moving to these deep states

622
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness and using of course new modern techniques now

623
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>available because of you know, hardware advancements, software advancements, tech,

624
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, techniques that we work with to develop internally.

625
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.639
<v Speaker 2>The audio team works with them to that target these

626
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>states based on Bob's knowledge. Yeah, that and research wisdom

627
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<v Speaker 2>that research, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of research and with Tom Campbell. Sorry to interrupt,

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<v Speaker 1>but with Tom Campbell, who was on the show two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, the timing of this is amazing.

631
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<v Speaker 2>Always there was not planned always uh. And so using techniques,

632
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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest techniques is being able to use

633
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<v Speaker 2>spatial audio. So that from my perspective, and this is

634
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<v Speaker 2>not even a perspective so much that I'm saying this

635
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<v Speaker 2>is what Monroe says, But my personal experience with the

636
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>sound is I lose track or don't feel anchored in

637
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<v Speaker 2>the body because of the spatial and immersive sensation that

638
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<v Speaker 2>you experience while listening to exercises that are Monroe sound science.

639
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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that you're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we work on the premise that we're more

641
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<v Speaker 2>than our physical body, and so the less you can

642
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<v Speaker 2>be anchored in the body or the sensation of the

643
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<v Speaker 2>body spatially, I personally feel it's easier to feel the

644
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<v Speaker 2>freedom to explore beyond the physical. And so I think

645
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<v Speaker 2>that's the biggest advantage from my perspective in using Monroe

646
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<v Speaker 2>Sound Science, because you are not stuck in the body, yeah,

647
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<v Speaker 2>or shall I say you're not stuck with the idea, yeah,

648
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<v Speaker 2>that you're stuck in the mindy.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that I truly well, the main thing that

650
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<v Speaker 1>I truly love about the monro Institute is this is

651
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<v Speaker 1>just me. This is my opinion as a as a researcher,

652
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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who does a podcast. This is nobody at

653
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<v Speaker 1>Monroe's telling me this. Nobody at Monroe necessarily has this opinion.

654
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<v Speaker 1>This is just me speculating as podcast host Ryan Bledsoe.

655
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<v Speaker 1>And I told Alan this and she she wanted me

656
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<v Speaker 1>to bring it up on the show and she thought

657
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 1>it was very interesting. She was like, cool, you know,

658
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 1>love that theory. I get the sense that the Monroe

659
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<v Speaker 1>Institute is today. It like this futuristic tech ages version

660
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<v Speaker 1>of like what they were doing in ancient Egypt thousands

661
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<v Speaker 1>of years ago, which was just having direct experience with

662
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<v Speaker 1>the other. Right, they were doing this in Greece, they

663
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<v Speaker 1>were doing this in Persia, they were doing this in Egypt,

664
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<v Speaker 1>they were doing it in India, all these places around

665
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<v Speaker 1>the ancient world. And we call them today or we

666
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<v Speaker 1>know them as the mystery schools. Right, it's not a religion,

667
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<v Speaker 1>it's not a creed. It was just a body of

668
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<v Speaker 1>work where it was meditation, whether it was various X

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<v Speaker 1>y Z ways that they would leave the body or

670
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<v Speaker 1>they would, you know, have dreams at spiritual practice, spiritual practice,

671
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<v Speaker 1>various spiritual discilence. Yes, not one thing, right, but I

672
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<v Speaker 1>think them. Minuro'stitude is so amazing because it's like that

673
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<v Speaker 1>in today's day and age. But it's it's it's not

674
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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not a belief system. It's not a

675
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<v Speaker 1>dogma or a creed or religion. It's just techniques that

676
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<v Speaker 1>are universal, that are honed through science and research and

677
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<v Speaker 1>it's effective.

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<v Speaker 2>And on that, you know, you bring up a really

679
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<v Speaker 2>good point is all of these you know, mystery schools,

680
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<v Speaker 2>and it's all based on what Bob said, Go try

681
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<v Speaker 2>it yourself, try it for yourself. You know this is

682
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<v Speaker 2>this is tied to the concept of truth and and

683
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<v Speaker 2>having it be experiential. What we do at the Institute

684
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>is provide a place for you to experience this firsthand.

685
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I could tell you I'm having this experience, you will still,

686
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<v Speaker 2>as much as you want to believe it, you will

687
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 2>still have an element of doubt whether it's true or not. Well,

688
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<v Speaker 2>it's true to me because I experienced it, But there

689
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<v Speaker 2>is no way that I will ever convince you that

690
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<v Speaker 2>it's true, because you will always have a sliver of

691
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>doubt until you experience it, and then it becomes a

692
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>truth for you. And now we can tell Alex and

693
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<v Speaker 2>he might say that's really cool, and you know that

694
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>sounds like it. It's real, but yeah, and so we

695
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>invite we invite everyone to experience it for themselves, to

696
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 2>try to what you said. We provide tools, yes, and

697
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<v Speaker 2>when people come to programs, and I always share with participants,

698
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<v Speaker 2>try not to expect an experience today, but come to

699
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<v Speaker 2>this like you're going to learn a tool, practice the tool,

700
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and then when you go home, now start working with

701
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that tool for the experience. And it somehow takes the

702
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>pressure off because everyone has this pressure that they have

703
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to do this now they have to succeed, but they're

704
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 2>still just learning the tool. When they attend the workshops,

705
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<v Speaker 2>the programs, the online programs, whatever it is, the weekend,

706
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>our weekend workshops that we do. Come and learn the

707
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>tools and get good at the tool. Don't come and

708
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.480
<v Speaker 2>try so hard to have an experience. And in any practice,

709
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 2>like if you're doing let's say you're going to learn TM,

710
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.599
<v Speaker 2>don't expect a specific experience that day. Learn the process

711
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and in time, in time, and then and only then

712
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 2>does it become truth. But it becomes your truth. And

713
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>you said it. It's great, Ryan, And we always we

714
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>talk like this all the time. I'm not trying to

715
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 2>convince anybody. I just want to have that experience myself.

716
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to do it because I want to know.

717
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's why you do this. Do it because you

718
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>want to experience it. And then people will see, hey,

719
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 2>there's something about that guy. What is it. They'll notice

720
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>that you do something, They'll notice that you practice something.

721
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>You're really good about this. You always, you know, ask

722
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to tell people, you know, hey, just try it, go

723
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>try it. I've never once ever heard you say this,

724
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>you should try it. You always do that. I like it.

725
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 1>You should try it. Yeah, we're not out here ever,

726
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>being like only we can see your yes. No, it's

727
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like please go outside and ask like I want you

728
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 1>to do this, like you can do this. And Monroe's

729
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the same. It's like empower you like you are more

730
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>than your physical body. You are an immortal being of

731
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>infinite energy. You are this, you are that. It's very empowering.

732
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<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's for you.

733
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<v Speaker 1>I'm all about empowering people. It makes me sick when

734
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>people do the opposite, and they disempower Peia. I'm all

735
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<v Speaker 1>about giving people tools to change their life, you know,

736
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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just I'm finding that being the more I

737
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<v Speaker 1>walk this path of like, you know, I say collaborating loosely,

738
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean making content. I just mean being together, right.

739
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 1>But the more I walk this path of like collaborating

740
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and being connected to the institute, I find that it's

741
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>more fulfilling for me because I'm being similar to you,

742
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>where you just kind of you wrote a message one

743
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>day and you or you did a program or whatever

744
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you explained, you know, twenty minutes ago, how your first

745
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>contact and then they're like, hey, we need somebody that

746
00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 1>makes music, and you're like me, and then you submit

747
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 1>a song like overnight, right, and then boom, you're like

748
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>getting hired at the place. I sort of had a

749
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 1>similar experience going to the content creator thing, and then

750
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<v Speaker 1>Arkie was like, dude, you should apply. I run the

751
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>program to train trainers. You still gotta apply, but I'll

752
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>see it, and I'm like okay, cool, and then boom,

753
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through training and then boom, I'm becoming an

754
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 1>hourage trainer. So we kind of had a similar path, right,

755
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>And we've been on each other's path, right. But I'm

756
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 1>finding the more I walk this path, how amazing it

757
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 1>is to be in a position to have the tools

758
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<v Speaker 1>to facilitate awakening experiences for others and empowering individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. You get to share it. And the really great

760
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>part about that program, that outreach program, and really just

761
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>simply being a trainer is to watch you're handing this

762
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 2>information over and you're watching people do this, and you're

763
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>guiding them through it because it's not it's not our content.

764
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>This is Bob's content. Is what Bob created, and we're

765
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<v Speaker 2>the stewards of it, and we can share it and

766
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>we can talk about it. We understand it. We studied

767
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>it deeply.

768
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>We've also tried it and tried it.

769
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<v Speaker 2>And continue to try it and some days it well,

770
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>we'll we'll try again tomorrow. It's not something that you

771
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<v Speaker 2>It just you do and it happens, and it's you know,

772
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 2>it's practice. It's practice. But we can we get to

773
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<v Speaker 2>We have the the privilege of sharing it with ultimately

774
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the world, with people in our circle, our friends, colleagues, whoever,

775
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>whoever we run into, and watching its impact in their lives.

776
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 2>When they actually engage it, and when they come to

777
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<v Speaker 2>you and they say, hey, Ryan, got to tell you

778
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<v Speaker 2>this thing that happened. Oh yeah, if I had told

779
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you that, would you believed me? No exactly, but you do. Yeah,

780
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.360
<v Speaker 2>And then they're excited about going back, and then they

781
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>can't get enough and they want to do it more

782
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 2>and more and more, and then they'll run into some

783
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:10.519
<v Speaker 2>struggles again. You know, I'm distracted about life, which we

784
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>all know doesn't go into straight line. Stuff comes up,

785
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>but you get to try again the next day and

786
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the next day and the next day, and then the

787
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 2>next thing you know, you're sitting on a podcast with

788
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, your brother.

789
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, you keep coming back to this. Yeah,

790
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.039
<v Speaker 1>must be a special moment. It is for me too.

791
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<v Speaker 1>Every time I have not only just cool people, but

792
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<v Speaker 1>also particularly for me because of my passion people who

793
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 1>are from them and rose fear on the show. It's

794
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>like a big deal for me. It's very cool. I

795
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 1>don't think Monroe ever expected that that. You know, they

796
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>invited a bunch of content creators out. I don't think

797
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 1>they truly knew the return they were going to get

798
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.599
<v Speaker 1>on that genius idea, you know, to where like, you know,

799
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>look at Amy, she's constantly doing programs, and you know,

800
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>people are making content, but the and have me like

801
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 1>being a trainer and like hey, you come on, you

802
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>come on, you come on, you come on and go

803
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and do programs. Like it was just brilliant what they

804
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.159
<v Speaker 1>did there with that content creator thing. And and I

805
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<v Speaker 1>can't deny that since then, not not because of me,

806
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 1>but just because in general, I think because of all

807
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 1>these content creators going out, like the freaking place is

808
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 1>slammed through like twenty twenty six.

809
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's so many people that are well, how would

810
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I say, they're they have direct experience with the tools,

811
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 2>with the programs, and you do get this sort of

812
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>excitement about being able to share it with others. Yes,

813
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and that that Gateway was pretty spectacular experience for everybody there,

814
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>participants and trainers alike, everybody, all the support staff, I

815
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 2>even know the hospitality staff had a blast. They had fun,

816
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>which is that they're a phenomenal group of people. You know,

817
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>shout out to the hospitality when you go to campus

818
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>if you ever get a you know, folks, if you

819
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<v Speaker 2>ever get a chance to go, food's great, and the

820
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>hospitality is phenomenal. But there are so many people behind

821
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<v Speaker 2>the scenes who want everyone to have the opportunity to

822
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<v Speaker 2>make a change for the better in their own lives.

823
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<v Speaker 2>And so the staff that I work with, everybody on

824
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<v Speaker 2>staff is amazing. I get to work with some incredible people.

825
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Everyone everyone on campus is great outreach trainers that I've met,

826
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<v Speaker 2>I know, even some that I haven't met. I see

827
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<v Speaker 2>the work they're doing and their passion about sharing Bob's

828
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>legacy is inspiring to me every single day. So you know,

829
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<v Speaker 2>you've as a creator, all the creators that were at

830
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<v Speaker 2>that Gateway program have joined a great body of people yea,

831
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<v Speaker 2>that have this vision and mission of sharing it with

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<v Speaker 2>now with eighty million people, which is it's a huge deal.

833
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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about that, the eighty million people. Do you

834
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>want to run back the M five thousand. I want

835
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to get into that.

836
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.199
<v Speaker 2>No, not yet. Well the M five thousand, well, we

837
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>can talk a little bit about it. The M five

838
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>thousand is what just the concept, Yeah, and with what

839
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Bob had earmarked as sort of the name for Gateway

840
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.119
<v Speaker 2>in the early days. The conception of it is that

841
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>he simply wanted to reach five thousand people with this experience.

842
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:53.639
<v Speaker 2>And this is.

843
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Early days, yeah, like the seventies, right, the.

844
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Beginning of this idea of him having a program where

845
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>people could come and experience this. Five thousand. If I

846
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>could just get five thousand people to experience this, we

847
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>changed the world. And I know in the last year,

848
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe a little more. I'm not sure on the numbers.

849
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I just recall in this amazing state of shock, but

850
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>not really, but this amazing state of shock went in

851
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a staff meeting and Paul says, in this year, we've

852
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 2>reached a million people.

853
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>No way is that through like expanding everything.

854
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Or expand our YouTube channel, you know, outreach people, you know,

855
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 2>purchasing Monroe Sound Science exercises.

856
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:43.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's amazing.

857
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>We've reached a lot of people. And it's because of

858
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 2>this body of people that you and the other creators

859
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>are now part of.

860
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Plus Tom Campbell went on Joe Rogan, there's been a

861
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of Stokes in the world.

862
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot. It's getting a lot of traction, and

863
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>once I think it builds more momentum, it's just everyone

864
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 2>will if everyone would just tell one friend, yeah, then

865
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:08.679
<v Speaker 2>it happened.

866
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>And I have a secret goal that I've kind of

867
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 1>let you in on of going to content creators and

868
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>bringing it to them, you know, and I'll just enough said,

869
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I've got my angle, I've got my avenue,

870
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, because you're right, it's like you can't help

871
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but want to share something amazing when people I've always

872
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 1>seen this as the same thing as the orbs, but

873
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like a coin. One of them is heads and

874
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>one of them is tails. The orbs is heads, and

875
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like you know, the the the I'll just say

876
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Monroe stuff out of body, consciousness, you know, altered perception,

877
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:53.280
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Esp. I'll say that's tails, and you know,

878
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.800
<v Speaker 1>flip a coin, heads or tails. Do you want to

879
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 1>have a visible, detectable awakening experience that chill your entire

880
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 1>reality and like expands your consciousness or do you want

881
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to have one with your eyes closed that's inward. So

882
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 1>there's external, there's internal, But they have the same effect.

883
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're seeing a supernatural being, or you're going

884
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 1>out in your body, or you're bilocating and you're seeing

885
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 1>your wife, you know, walk through the grocery store when

886
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 1>you're laying in your bed meditating, you know what I mean,

887
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.960
<v Speaker 1>They're the same thing. To me, they're truly the same thing.

888
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:26.440
<v Speaker 1>But you know, one is out, one is in, one

889
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is within, one is without. But so I see it

890
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 1>as one mission, you know what I've been doing my

891
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 1>whole life, you know, getting on board with Monroe. And

892
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I asked you the question about the in five thousand,

893
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>because and I talked about this on my three part

894
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Gateway series that this this purpose and mission is when

895
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I learned that. The first day at Gateway, or the

896
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 1>second day, technically the first day you get in, it's

897
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of late, it's orientation whatever. But the second day

898
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of Gateway, you know, we talked about the purpose and

899
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the mission of the institute, and it was like that

900
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 1>moment was what caught me when I fell in love.

901
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:05.360
<v Speaker 1>When I heard the purpose in the mission, which is

902
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to awaken global human consciousness and to reach one percent

903
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of the world's population with awakening experiences.

904
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember so clearly that it was in the morning,

905
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe late morning, Yeah, And we finished that session, that debrief,

906
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 2>and you blined it right to me. I remember this

907
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so clearly, and you are just like a kidney came

908
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 2>after you could not you could not contain yourself the

909
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 2>excitement of that concept and then you didn't stop the

910
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>whole week. You were just so talke about the possibility

911
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 2>of reaching that many people with this with again with yeah.

912
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Because my whole life I thought it was fifty yeah.

913
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And also one percent is way better than I agree

914
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 1>with the institute. I like this, I'll take that number

915
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 1>because my whole life, since I was a child, Dad

916
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and I discussed, like someday, when you know, fifty or

917
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty one percent of the world haven't experienced, they'll it'll shift.

918
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.039
<v Speaker 1>But literally, since childhood, I've I've stressed, oh my god,

919
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 1>how are we going to reach four billion?

920
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 2>That's who you know what I mean?

921
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I go to the institute and it's, you know,

922
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.599
<v Speaker 1>we believe it's one percent of the people. That's just

923
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty million of the population having some sort of advanced

924
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, expanded consciousness experience that it'll change global

925
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 1>it'll awaken global human consciousness. I'm like, dang, that's a

926
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's perfect, you know.

927
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm in, yeah, hey, let me ask you this. Ryan.

928
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 2>So we're kind of talking about me. I don't know

929
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 2>if anybody has done this, but I'm just going to

930
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 2>do this. So Okay, since your experience at Monroe and

931
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 2>with Monroe stuff, because I know you did some stuff

932
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and did some exercises before and you knew about it,

933
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, but you had some inkling, just maybe heard

934
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 2>some tapes or something. But since sort of officially engaging

935
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 2>a program doing Gateway and after, can you pick a

936
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.719
<v Speaker 2>moment that really sort of capped it for you that

937
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 2>this was a deeply profound and life altering experience. You

938
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:42.000
<v Speaker 2>mean at Gateway, not at Gateway anything after You're Monroe,

939
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 2>something at Monroe that really kind of tipped you over

940
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the edge of this was a really really deep and

941
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.400
<v Speaker 2>profound thing that you are now doing.

942
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, yeah, first of all, I love you're the

943
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>first person to ask me a question on my show.

944
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 1>And I love that it switches it up. It is

945
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 1>no but I love it. Yeah, I love it. It's creative

946
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:10.199
<v Speaker 1>creation station. But no, I appreciate being being in the

947
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 1>in the in the hot seat. Man, this is this

948
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>exciting opportunity. I can't blow it. So I'm gonna kind

949
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 1>of give you the long version. Right. So, at Gateway,

950
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 1>it was like moment to moment, hour to hour was

951
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this is insane. Right, and throughout the

952
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>week it was just an absolutely unbelievable experience. I mean,

953
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>you know that you were there. Do you remember. I'm

954
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.039
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say after a brief period of silence, it's

955
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:41.000
<v Speaker 1>not going too much detail. And we were in the kitchen.

956
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 1>We had been silent for probably four or five hours

957
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.400
<v Speaker 1>last point, and you walked in and I looked at

958
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you and I just said, do we have any oat milk?

959
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Remember that, dude? I calculated in my head, hmm, do

960
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I keep going in this moment? Nah, my coffee is

961
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>really important right now? No? No, no, actually it was. It

962
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 1>was I asked are you being silent? And you thought

963
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 1>about it and you said not not for you. Yeah,

964
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk for you. That was a hilarious moment. I

965
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.400
<v Speaker 1>think that was the last day of the second last day.

966
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, back to your question, So the whole week

967
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.119
<v Speaker 1>was profound. It was insane, right, I knew my life

968
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 1>was changed. There were there were many elements of that

969
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>week that I came home like a different person. But

970
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 1>following that things continued to happen for me. I can't

971
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>speak for others, right.

972
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 2>And I can't.

973
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't create an expectation for others. But what I

974
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 1>can do is truthfully speak about me. And I can

975
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>tell you that since coming home from Gateway, and I've

976
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 1>done other program since I've done one with you, actually

977
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:49.440
<v Speaker 1>two with your, one under you and one with you.

978
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I've done Guidelines with Joe Gallenberger and Beth wonderful people,

979
00:58:56.559 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 1>amazing program. And then around that just having my own

980
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>experiences at home and bed at night whatever. Since Gateway

981
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to now, which has been a year and four months,

982
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I've gone out of body around twelve times or more,

983
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>even just laying in bed, just relaxing and poof, you know,

984
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 1>or a huge acceleration of pre cognitive thoughts like I'm

985
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking something and it pops up on the TV or

986
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.199
<v Speaker 1>on a video game, or you know, a friend texts.

987
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Me, happened today.

988
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>It happened today. I was deep and thought about Tom

989
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.360
<v Speaker 1>because I was in a store where he bought me

990
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.599
<v Speaker 1>something a tea shop for Virginny's birthday a couple of

991
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.280
<v Speaker 1>years ago. He bought us all this tea equipment, and

992
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I was in the store and I was thinking about

993
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.719
<v Speaker 1>him because he and his fiance kind of had a

994
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 1>hard time or something recently. Just something happened to them.

995
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, they're okay, but I was deep in thought

996
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:54.920
<v Speaker 1>about him for the first time in a few weeks,

997
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and then boom, he calls me. Stuff like that has

998
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 1>ramped up since since Gateway, So I know I'm not

999
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the same. I know I'm a better man than I

1000
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 1>was in the sense that when I went to that place,

1001
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I had a complex. I had a complex from childhood

1002
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that I always had that my dad and brother were

1003
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.320
<v Speaker 1>special because they were there on the Cape Fit River

1004
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and I was not, and that my dad could remove

1005
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you and do all these things, and my sister was

1006
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:21.239
<v Speaker 1>an ord magnet, as my dad always said, and you

1007
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.039
<v Speaker 1>know all this stuff. But nothing happens with me. Nothing

1008
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>goes on with me. I don't have esp My sister

1009
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 1>goes to the institute, she's going out of body. Nothing

1010
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:32.559
<v Speaker 1>happened to me. That was my thoughts. Nothing happens to me,

1011
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 1>nothing goes on with me. I'm nobody special. And then

1012
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I went to Gateway, and in my intake interview I

1013
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.880
<v Speaker 1>even told Maya, I'm like, you know, she's saying, what

1014
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 1>are your intentions? I'm like, I don't know. I think

1015
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this stuff is great. My sister's been here, my dad's

1016
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 1>been here. I know it's real, but I don't really

1017
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 1>think I have any of these capabilities. I believe in

1018
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>out of body travel in theory, but I don't think

1019
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it's possible for me and all this stuff. I'm like,

1020
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just have an open mind and

1021
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever happens happens. And I'm not like, you know about anything,

1022
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 1>like I don't really think I'm capable of any of

1023
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:03.679
<v Speaker 1>these things.

1024
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 2>And we talked about it a lot that week. Yeah,

1025
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.079
<v Speaker 2>over coffee. We talked about it, Yeah, a number of times, and.

1026
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:11.400
<v Speaker 1>She's kind of smiled at me, and she's like, at

1027
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:14.559
<v Speaker 1>least have an intention. I'm like, okay, that's fair. I

1028
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.400
<v Speaker 1>have an intention that whatever I need to experience or

1029
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.840
<v Speaker 1>whatever I do experience is meant for me. And that's enough,

1030
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I've been in the game long enough,

1031
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 1>seeing orbs and all these things that I kind of

1032
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 1>know that you can't chase, like if you're too tense,

1033
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 1>like things won't happen. I know that from seeing light orbs, right,

1034
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and I understood it was kind of the same thing.

1035
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you know, whatever happened to happen,

1036
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not stressed about it. I don't even believe I

1037
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 1>can do these things, and then you know, the third day,

1038
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh crap, I just popped out a body,

1039
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like I didn't I

1040
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't think this was real for me. It was honestly

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<v Speaker 1>a huge existential shock really, like after that happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell this story on my episode with Emily Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've if you've heard it or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had Emily on and I tell the story

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01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.039
<v Speaker 1>because she talked me through it. I kind of come

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01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.960
<v Speaker 1>to her and secret at lunch and I'm like, you

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01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>ever see the meme of Matthew McConaughey where he's smoking

1048
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 1>cigarette and his eyes really wide. That was me. I

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01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god. I was like, Emily, I'm

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01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 1>really kind of freaked out right now. And she passed

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01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 1>me on the shoulder and she's like, you're okay, this

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01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 1>this happens all the time and it's totally normal. And

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01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Hey, this is normal. You're right, this

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01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.880
<v Speaker 1>is normal. No, I'm fine, You're right, this is normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I go on and it goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>But to get back to your question, by the time

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<v Speaker 1>I got home, I was a changed man. I didn't

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01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 1>have this complex anymore. I didn't have this you know

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01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:40.599
<v Speaker 1>life where I'm suppressing myself. I'm restricting I'm you know,

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01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.000
<v Speaker 1>imprisoning my my true nature. I didn't believe there was

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<v Speaker 1>anything special for me. I'm just the guy that talks

1063
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and reads books, you know, for my family. Right, So

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01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it profoundly changed me. It wasn't one moment like you asked,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the thing that there was no thing it was.

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01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 1>It was tons of things. It was a seeking quints

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01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 1>of events unfolding to where I came home and it's

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01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 1>like I'm laying in bed, I'm like, oh, my third

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01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.480
<v Speaker 1>eyes Paulson, and then whoosh, I'm seeing a past life

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01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm out of body, and then all these things

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01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.960
<v Speaker 1>just happen and I'm not like trying to do these things,

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01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.199
<v Speaker 1>they just happen. So, yeah, I came back a changed person.

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01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I came back more smiley, h more more hopeful about

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01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the future, more connected to myself, more motivated to empower others.

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<v Speaker 1>When I went to Gateway, I was at a point

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01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.840
<v Speaker 1>we were in the show three years. We have been

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01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>doing the show three years, and I was at a

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01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.400
<v Speaker 1>point where I'm like, I love the show, I'm grateful

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01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 1>to do this, but this isn't enough for me. I

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01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.079
<v Speaker 1>don't want to just talk at people for the rest

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01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of my life. I have to do something more. And

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01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.079
<v Speaker 1>then poof, I get invited there and you know, I

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01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:50.559
<v Speaker 1>start having these incredible experiences and then next thing I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in class.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know, yeah for a year. And it's so

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01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:59.760
<v Speaker 2>great too, because you tell this in terms of your story,

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01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.239
<v Speaker 2>that it's you. You were changed you, there was more

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01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:07.360
<v Speaker 2>for you. And this is probably the most beautiful thing

1089
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I witnessed, is people realizing that they've simply changed their

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01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 2>own the perspective of their own self because you're still

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01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Ryan that registered and the Ryan that was the last

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01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 2>one to leave Gateway. Actually I think it was Brad,

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01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:29.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't I think he was the last one to drive

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01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:30.480
<v Speaker 2>off the property.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were I was like second, yeah, yeah, and

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01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:34.639
<v Speaker 1>it was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're still Ryan, but you had a new outlook.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like what Bob says, a different overview, and it's

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01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful because you realize that that sort of constriction,

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01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that suppressing of of Ryan is the very thing that

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01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:04.159
<v Speaker 2>we struggle with. Why why am I not this way,

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01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 2>or why can't I have this in life? Or why

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01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:09.239
<v Speaker 2>is my life this way? It's because you're the one

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01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 2>holding it in place that way, and you learn that

1105
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.639
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to hold that in place, and then

1106
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you go, oh, there you are, and that now has

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01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 2>a place for an or an outlet to be expressed.

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01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.960
<v Speaker 2>And this is the beautiful part is you are extraordinary

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01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:38.000
<v Speaker 2>as Ryan, and Alex is extraordinary, very extraordinary as Alex,

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01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 2>and you are now very simply being the unique perspective

1111
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.199
<v Speaker 2>that no one has, no one else that and the

1112
01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 2>world is begging for unique and authentic experiences and the

1113
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.679
<v Speaker 2>only way that's going to happen and is if we

1114
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:08.719
<v Speaker 2>can truly recognize that authentic expression. And this is what

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01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I see when I witness participants do the exercises, feel confused,

1116
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:21.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like they don't understand, or they just frustrated, all

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01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:28.159
<v Speaker 2>the different you know, this spectrum of experiences that I

1118
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.480
<v Speaker 2>am privileged to see, and I hold those all sacred

1119
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 2>because they're unique to each person. And it's so incredible

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01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to watch the realness appear in each of those participants' eyes, yes,

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01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and the joy they have, and even if they are frustrated,

1122
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:55.159
<v Speaker 2>even those participants who leave frustrated, there is a different

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01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 2>glimmer and they come to me or they say to

1124
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.440
<v Speaker 2>me or send an email and say, you know, I

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01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.880
<v Speaker 2>know this didn't happen, but I'm so excited about doing

1126
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 2>this now. Yeah, and that's how the world's going to change. Yeah,

1127
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.599
<v Speaker 2>one person at a time. If we if we can

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01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 2>all change as individuals, the whole world changes.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about it this morning over coffee and

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01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I just was making the comment to you because I

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01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.159
<v Speaker 1>really do see it this way, especially with some of

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01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the advancements that that I think maybe in the future

1133
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 1>for Monroe, as as technology gets better, right, but I

1134
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.400
<v Speaker 1>totally see a future where it's like, oh, you know,

1135
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 1>did you practice your tuba? Yes? Mom, okay, did you

1136
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:43.400
<v Speaker 1>do your Monroe exercise? You know what I mean? Like,

1137
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.559
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the thing, it's it's it's just amazing curriculum

1138
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.119
<v Speaker 1>that you know in theory, if if everyone learned these techniques,

1139
01:07:54.199 --> 01:08:00.719
<v Speaker 1>would would their their total self would unfold more, which

1140
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:02.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, what is your total self? Well, A part

1141
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 1>of that includes your multi dimensional nature. A part of

1142
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.679
<v Speaker 1>that includes the extrasensory perception that you were born with,

1143
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:11.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's your birthright because it's a part of your being.

1144
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:15.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, a part of your total self includes being

1145
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.760
<v Speaker 1>able to have precognitive thoughts or you know, to be

1146
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:22.520
<v Speaker 1>able to remote view or all of these things. This

1147
01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.560
<v Speaker 1>is not just some funky stuff that people are into. No,

1148
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 1>this is inherent with each one of us because we

1149
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.199
<v Speaker 1>are It's normal, yes, because we are more than our

1150
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 1>physical body. Right, this isn't just some like extra thing

1151
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.800
<v Speaker 1>that a chosen few get, right, No, this is who

1152
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 1>we are. Right. And I totally see a future where

1153
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.159
<v Speaker 1>this process is so refined. And it's already refined. But

1154
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a curriculum, you know that. I just think that.

1155
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be ubiquitous. I think, as you know,

1156
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like Xavier School for the gifted or Hardwarts. It

1157
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:53.920
<v Speaker 1>really is that thing, you know what I mean. And

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01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:55.720
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the best one I've found.

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01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So and the beauty you've said it too, is it's

1160
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:03.560
<v Speaker 2>so progressive and it's so curriculum. Yeah, it's so well

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01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 2>thought out. In the brilliance of Bob's legacy is it's systematic.

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01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 2>It's step by step. And I remember a guy that

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01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.920
<v Speaker 2>he gave a talk, and he talked about listening to

1164
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 2>your teachers. Listening to your instructors. They've gone through it,

1165
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.119
<v Speaker 2>they understand it, which is why it's good to have

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01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 2>a good teacher, because you know that they understand it.

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01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Follow their instructions, don't change it, don't turn it into

1168
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 2>what you think it should be. Just try it this way.

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01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Just try it this way, engage it the way they say,

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01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and if it works, great. If it doesn't, now you know,

1171
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.840
<v Speaker 2>find something different, go to the next exercise, go to

1172
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the next thing. But it's again the tools that you

1173
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:54.000
<v Speaker 2>learn and you practice them and don't expect it to

1174
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:59.079
<v Speaker 2>work instantly, not saying that it can't, but give yourself

1175
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of grace. You're learning something new. Yeah,

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01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.319
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't try to teach a child something, and if

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01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:09.159
<v Speaker 2>they didn't do it the first time, you're not gonna

1178
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 2>be upset with them. No, you just say no, try

1179
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it this way. Yet, we as adults, we don't give

1180
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 2>ourselves that flexibility. We place these, you know, unrealistic demands

1181
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:27.560
<v Speaker 2>on ourselves. And so just follow the instructions, symptoms systematically,

1182
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:33.000
<v Speaker 2>do the exercises, and then watch it unfold. Yeah, watch it.

1183
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Something else that's really cool is the experience of people

1184
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.680
<v Speaker 1>going there and spending a week or whether it's two days,

1185
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 1>whatever program they do, and it's their first exposure to this.

1186
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna keep you a little vague just because

1187
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I talked about this a little bit on the Tom

1188
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:51.399
<v Speaker 1>Campbell episode. This this individual has been on my show

1189
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:53.760
<v Speaker 1>on full disclosure, like talking about some of these experiences.

1190
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:56.760
<v Speaker 1>But just for the sake of names, I'll keep it vague.

1191
01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:03.840
<v Speaker 1>But this individual, she was she went to Gateway this

1192
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 1>summer and didn't feel like she really understood it. It's

1193
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.520
<v Speaker 1>very cool, I love this, but I feel like I'm

1194
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.760
<v Speaker 1>not really doing anything, you know what I mean. A

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01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.720
<v Speaker 1>couple months go by, she came and did my first program,

1196
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:24.039
<v Speaker 1>which was two weekends ago, and she in two days.

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01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's not because of me, right, it's because of

1198
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the work she did. Just talking about how you were

1199
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.520
<v Speaker 1>saying it can unfold later, you know, everybody's on a

1200
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.279
<v Speaker 1>different path. But at the six days and then coming

1201
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 1>and doing the two day program of me, it was

1202
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just like boom, like the floodgates opened and started having

1203
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all these profound experiences and it was like she was

1204
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:47.600
<v Speaker 1>able to understand the Gateway more. And then you know

1205
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.119
<v Speaker 1>it was like all that prep work had been established

1206
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:52.720
<v Speaker 1>so that by the time she came and did a

1207
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:54.640
<v Speaker 1>re up on it, which is, you know, the program

1208
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:57.560
<v Speaker 1>we do is exploring Consciousness, which is you know, kind

1209
01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:59.960
<v Speaker 1>of like the first two days of Gateway with some alterations.

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01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.079
<v Speaker 1>So it's like she, Okay, I've done this stuff before

1211
01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 1>for a week. Now this time I have a little

1212
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 1>bit more understanding to it, and she just soared. And

1213
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.119
<v Speaker 1>everyone's different, you know, some people like me, for example,

1214
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I got the Gateway and I was just like, oh

1215
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:19.119
<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm in and I was just like on

1216
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it the whole week, and it's just having so many

1217
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:25.960
<v Speaker 1>experiences and so many profound developments and realizations. And then

1218
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:28.319
<v Speaker 1>some people, as you know, they're like, yeah, this is

1219
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:30.560
<v Speaker 1>really cool, but I just feel like I'm not really

1220
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:33.479
<v Speaker 1>doing they're not really getting it, and then they go

1221
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.800
<v Speaker 1>back and it's like boom. It's it's just amazing how

1222
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the path is different for everybody. You know what I'm

1223
01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to say, I'm trying to keep it vague, to

1224
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.800
<v Speaker 1>not divulge, you know, up front about certain things that

1225
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.479
<v Speaker 1>should be experienced, but it's just amazing. It's it's amazing

1226
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:52.079
<v Speaker 1>how everybody's on a different journey and it's individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it's just your unique perspective. It's your

1228
01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.880
<v Speaker 2>unique and authentic expression of your total self and what

1229
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the gift you have to share with people, not what

1230
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:10.399
<v Speaker 2>you logically think you oh, I want people to know this. No,

1231
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.479
<v Speaker 2>there's something bigger and broader to who you are, and

1232
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.359
<v Speaker 2>that's what the world is hungry for. I think, you know,

1233
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:22.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone has something that not everyone else has.

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01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:25.279
<v Speaker 1>That's totally true.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting that you know, she did the prep

1236
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 2>work the first time she did Gateway and then kind

1237
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:36.079
<v Speaker 2>of came back to that foundation that you learned in

1238
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:41.000
<v Speaker 2>those first couple of days. And I trained a program

1239
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.920
<v Speaker 2>recently and during one of the sessions, one of the

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01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:49.439
<v Speaker 2>participants asked, well, you know you as trainers. They ask,

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01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:56.159
<v Speaker 2>both both Beth and myself, well, what's your favorite best

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<v Speaker 2>exercise that you go to? You know, you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>trainers in your advance ants and all of that whatever

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<v Speaker 2>that means. You know, you guys, what's your favorite one

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<v Speaker 2>to do? And you best shared hers and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I have a favorite one, but

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<v Speaker 2>the one that I always return to is the one

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<v Speaker 2>that we learn on the first day of Exploring Consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>and the first day of Gateway. And it's the fundamental

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01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:26.520
<v Speaker 2>exercise that all the Monroe programs and all of the

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01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:32.199
<v Speaker 2>curriculum is built upon, And it's knowing how to really

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01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:36.520
<v Speaker 2>deeply relax the body but still maintain awareness and have

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01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 2>your mind to be awake, because that's where the work happens,

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01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:45.760
<v Speaker 2>both intentional and also even passive work to really sort

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<v Speaker 2>of unplug from the body and or just allow it

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<v Speaker 2>to just to be at rest and.

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<v Speaker 1>To undo limiting beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>And that happens when you aren't worried about aches and

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01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 2>pains or you know, am I tall enough? Or you know,

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01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 2>is my hair too short? Or whatever it is, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's no. You get to have you get to

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01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:14.720
<v Speaker 2>have time with inner awareness and be awake and alive

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<v Speaker 2>in that when most of the time when we deeply

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<v Speaker 2>relax our body, we fall asleep because we're so tired,

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01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:23.800
<v Speaker 2>which is okay, But when you're ready to do the work,

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01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 2>it helps to be aware so you can be intentional

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<v Speaker 2>in the work. And so coming back to your participant,

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<v Speaker 2>she had done the work, yeah, and then you guided

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<v Speaker 2>her through this and she engaged it intentionally she was ready.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I said at the beginning, come to it,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting that change to like truly authentically wanting to that

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<v Speaker 2>change and being ready to accept it and surrender to

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<v Speaker 2>it and say, you know what, I really am ready,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when the real fun stuff starts to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's incredible. Wow, this has been amazing. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anything Let me just say this. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something I like to ask people. Okay, it's not a

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01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:15.319
<v Speaker 1>tough question. I just think it's very interesting to hear

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01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:21.039
<v Speaker 1>people's perspective. Right if you were being heard simultaneously by

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01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:23.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the world at the same time, like you

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01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.960
<v Speaker 1>had the world stage, what's the thing that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>you would need to tell those people?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would ask the question again right back

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<v Speaker 2>to the B and I asked this question, do you

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01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:52.560
<v Speaker 2>feel that you are connected to everyone? M Do you

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01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 2>feel like this whole concept of we are all one?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think most people would say, yeah, well we're

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01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:04.359
<v Speaker 2>all humans, so yeah, we're connected. That could be their

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<v Speaker 2>way of answering the question without getting too weird, like

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01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:12.720
<v Speaker 2>we were saying, you know, slash extraordinary. Do you feel

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01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.960
<v Speaker 2>that we're all one. Yes, then I would simply say,

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<v Speaker 2>then what you're doing to your neighbor, you're doing to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't like it, change it. And it starts

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<v Speaker 2>one by one because people are doing atrocious things to

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<v Speaker 2>one another and they don't realize when your life is unhappy,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you experiencing unhappy? Why are you experiencing pain?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you experiencing misery? Well, what is it that

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing to others, even in subtle ways, that ultimately

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01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 2>you're doing to yourself, Because we're all one. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would say it would be so beneficial for you and

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01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:04.159
<v Speaker 2>everyone around you to realize that and to accept that

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01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:08.640
<v Speaker 2>as a personal truth that we're all connected, and that

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01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:16.960
<v Speaker 2>you are treating yourself that way, And if you don't

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01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:20.800
<v Speaker 2>like it, start treating other people in service and in

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01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:26.600
<v Speaker 2>love and in giving, and that becomes the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>your experience in life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's even deep, like more more deep too,

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<v Speaker 1>like as far as our thoughts even that in some level, Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can think about another location around the world

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<v Speaker 1>and view some coordinate and it's once upon a time

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01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:52.399
<v Speaker 1>there was you know, military facilities where people are thinking

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01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:56.399
<v Speaker 1>about coordinates and receiving information from around the world. If

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01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I can think about leaving the body and I do it.

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01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:02.000
<v Speaker 1>If I can think about you know, sex y z

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01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:06.680
<v Speaker 1>thing and it happens, and there's some level of reality

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01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:12.079
<v Speaker 1>being altered just by me thinking what's happening to other

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01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.159
<v Speaker 1>people when I think about them on the subtle level

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01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>or energetically. You know, what's happening when I direct my

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01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:24.920
<v Speaker 1>thoughts towards another person. So maybe I shouldn't think so

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01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:27.119
<v Speaker 1>negative and judgmentally about this person.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the whole concept of people wanting to

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01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:35.079
<v Speaker 2>manifest instantly. I want to be able to manifest and

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01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, create this thing. I want this, and I

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01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.560
<v Speaker 2>always when I have this conversation with people, I asked them,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, how clean are your thoughts? How how much

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01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:53.239
<v Speaker 2>goodness is there in your thoughts? Do you ever say, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so sick of that. That's a subtle thought

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01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you're having and you make me sick. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 2>could manifest those words instantly, I think you'd be very

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01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:08.319
<v Speaker 2>cautious about saying that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're absolutely onto something.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if people can really be thoughtful and clear,

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01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:24.520
<v Speaker 2>no clear about their thoughts, they would send a beautiful

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01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 2>thought to everyone they saw. And watch your thoughts around

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01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the person that cuts you off in traffic. You don't,

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01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, curse Adam, you say, you know, I hope

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01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:39.199
<v Speaker 2>they're okay because they must be in a hurry, and

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<v Speaker 2>wherever they're going, I hope they get there safely.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. In January, which is funny because I took

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01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.840
<v Speaker 1>your program in December, almost a year ago, and we

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01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 1>talked about this, right, Remember you were like for a year,

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01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I didn't use the word just. We had a whole

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01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.159
<v Speaker 1>conversation for days, and Alex and I continue to talk

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01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.119
<v Speaker 1>about this sometimes, about the concept of like changing our language,

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01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, but that all can go out the door

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01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.399
<v Speaker 1>sometimes if you're really upset. And in January, something happened

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01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that for me was very negative. Not something I did,

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01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:17.840
<v Speaker 1>but something that kind of happened to me, right, And

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01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:19.479
<v Speaker 1>I was so upset about this. I was just like,

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01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.960
<v Speaker 1>it makes me sick, it makes me sick, Like this

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01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>makes me freaking sick. I got the flu for a week.

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<v Speaker 1>That week, just in a matter of days, I was

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01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:33.479
<v Speaker 1>bedridden with the flu. I remember I was so sick

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01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:37.239
<v Speaker 1>that I watched an entire sixty to seventy Arc of

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01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:40.720
<v Speaker 1>One Piece, I had to say that, Yeah, you did

1357
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.199
<v Speaker 1>an entire sixty to seventy episode of arc. But that's

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01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:45.319
<v Speaker 1>true story though Arc of One Piece laying on the

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01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:47.680
<v Speaker 1>bed because I was sick with the flu. So I

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01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:49.239
<v Speaker 1>think you're absolutely onto something.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're that, if you're that powerful to be

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01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:58.199
<v Speaker 2>able to speak some words into an experience, yeah, why

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01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:02.079
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you choose other words? Why would you wish ill

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<v Speaker 2>on somebody else when it's just as easy to wish

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01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 2>goodness on somebody or a beautiful experience or understanding, understanding

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01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and then guess what, if you are connected or part

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01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:19.039
<v Speaker 2>of them, you are simply wishing that upon yourself. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the idea of service for others, giving to others,

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01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:28.039
<v Speaker 2>being accepting of others, loving, We're not all perfect. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do it all the time, but be

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<v Speaker 2>careful about wanting to be able to manifest on the spot,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least begin to be more aware of how

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<v Speaker 2>you think because you are that powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe there is a future. Like Robert Monroe

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01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:48.199
<v Speaker 1>writes in his third book, you remember what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to the year three thousands, I'll just tell

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<v Speaker 1>Alex because he don't know the story. He goes to

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01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the year three thousand, right, because when he starts going

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01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>out of body thousands and thousands of times, he's gone

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01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to the past, he's going to the future, he's going

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01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:02.279
<v Speaker 1>to other dimensions, he's going to other realities, he's speaking

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01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to different intelligences. All kinds of things are happening. And

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01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>at the end of his third book, it's really incredible,

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01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:10.000
<v Speaker 1>he goes to what he perceives to be the year

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01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:12.079
<v Speaker 1>three thousand. And I'm not going to go into extreme

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01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.399
<v Speaker 1>detail because it's like a whole chapter or two, but

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01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>essentially he sees a world where the physical body is

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01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:25.000
<v Speaker 1>an experience and it's like our primary existence is not

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01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>even the physical body anymore, but it's just like thought

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01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and energy, and it's like, hey, you want to go

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01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:32.479
<v Speaker 1>hop in a body real quick, and we can hang

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01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>out and like eat apples and just experience being physical

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01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:37.239
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit. Sure, and they just pop in

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01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:41.439
<v Speaker 1>a body and they can just manifest with thought. They

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01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.359
<v Speaker 1>can just travel through the power of their mind, and

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01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>nobody's hungry, nobody's like in poverty, and people literally just

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01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:52.439
<v Speaker 1>think and it occurs and I do think that's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that's our future. I really do. I

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<v Speaker 1>think things like levitation, manifesting through thought, all of that

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01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:02.039
<v Speaker 1>is real, and I suspect that there was some precursor

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01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:04.039
<v Speaker 1>humanity maybe if we want to talk about like the

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01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>whole Atlantis thing, I'm just saying the concept like I think,

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01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably what we were, and then we've

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01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>been evolving back up to that point. I think that's

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01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.119
<v Speaker 1>the cycle of humanity every time that that's where it

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01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.399
<v Speaker 1>goes at the next like branch off point past physical evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think exactly what you just said, you nailed

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01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:24.279
<v Speaker 1>it on the head, which is like, be careful about

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01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:26.880
<v Speaker 1>wanting to manifest on the spot. And I think that's

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01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>part of how we evolved to that point. Is it's

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01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>not just a biological evolution, but it's spiritual and that

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01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>has to do with us becoming more and more and

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01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>more loving and kind and pure so that these powers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say, if this was real and we manifested

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01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:45.239
<v Speaker 1>with thought, then that's why society was probably wiped out

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01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:49.079
<v Speaker 1>because people are thinking really bad thoughts, you know, boom

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01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>boom boom, devastating the land, sink them beneath the ocean,

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01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, wiping out humanity, cataclysm. That's why we have

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01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to think good thoughts. We have to think good you know,

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01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.039
<v Speaker 1>good words, good thoughts teach. We have to be kind

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01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>to other people.

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01:25:01.640 --> 01:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>We have to be loving and constructive and congressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, see unity, you know, or as Tom Campbell says,

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01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>brilliant reduce entropy, right, because I do think that's where

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01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>we're headed, where more and more is going to be

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01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.159
<v Speaker 1>possible through thought. Right, Maybe that's extreme. Oh, you know,

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01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>manifest and apple with thought. Maybe that's possible. Maybe it's not,

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01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>but the point remains, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think what you said too. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a physical manifestation or evolution, I think it's

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01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:34.279
<v Speaker 2>or you said, or a spiritual or I think it's both.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, honestly, I think it's spiritual because what follows

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01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:44.199
<v Speaker 2>is the experience in the physical. It starts at thought,

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01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>an idea, And to what you say, well, is this

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01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:54.239
<v Speaker 2>a future thing or this could be I asked the question,

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01:25:55.760 --> 01:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>where did the idea of that concept arrive from? Perhaps

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01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:12.199
<v Speaker 2>it already existed that way and it's a memory. Yeah, yeah,

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01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>because that idea I had to come from somewhere. Did

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01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:18.319
<v Speaker 2>somebody just conjure it up, like, oh, this is going

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01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to be new or is it something? It's a part

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01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>of our DNA that's remembered. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the work that we do is about remembering. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a lot it's important to remember what

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01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>in who we are because we've never changed. The core

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01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:51.479
<v Speaker 2>of what we are was always this, but the experiences

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<v Speaker 2>have changed, evolutions or destruction or construction of things. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it the future or is it really a remembrance of

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<v Speaker 2>something that already was?

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<v Speaker 1>That's deep. I never thought about it like that. My

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<v Speaker 1>friend Jefferson told me recently, and this too is so brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>But for every one of us, there's ten children that

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01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>are nonverbal and they can't turn it off, you know,

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01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>telepathy tapes yea, and they're constantly hearing thoughts and they're

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01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>speaking to spirits and they're seeing in the future, and

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01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.479
<v Speaker 1>they're doing all this stuff. For every one of us,

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01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>there's ten of them. You know, something's going on here,

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01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Humanity's headed somewhere and it's inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the way to get to that destination is,

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<v Speaker 1>like what you said, which was, you know, be kind,

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01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:44.199
<v Speaker 1>remember we're all one, be loving to other people. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't be bestowed. My friend Dan told me this, Dan Brulay.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, the universe cannot or the universe will not

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<v Speaker 1>give you powers until you are ready to wild them.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just have the power to do anything you

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<v Speaker 1>want with your thoughts because then if you're you know,

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01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>an egotistical, self serving person, you might you know, do

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01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>some bad with that. And I really do think that

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of abilities that can unfold from us from

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01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.279
<v Speaker 1>our psyche, you know, that they're kind of locked behind

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<v Speaker 1>a little door. And the way to unlock that door

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01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.079
<v Speaker 1>spiritual path kindness, you know, purging your karma, walking on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a path of service to others, uplifting others,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bringing up humanity. Right, And I could go

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on and on about that. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I love Monroe, because it's on that path.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when you uplift yourself, you uplift the whole. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because as consciousness is one thing, and so in your awareness,

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01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>if you are evolving and progressing, you lift the hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah. True. But also I think they always say

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01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to teach is to learn twice you know. So I

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01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>think to help others and to uplift others and to

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01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:13.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, bring them up with you is just like multiplied.

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01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, your your growth, your inner journey, and you know,

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01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a rising tide lifts all ships. So I think, I

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01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>truly think that's the future we're headed. Something like, you know,

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01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the curriculum of of Monroe will be ubiquitous. It'll be everywhere. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I just got done practicing too, but great, do your

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01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:35.279
<v Speaker 1>prep processing, you know what I mean, come on ten

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01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>minutes or something like that. Like it's gonna be everywhere common,

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01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>whether it's said exactly yeah, common, and and it's it's

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01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:45.399
<v Speaker 1>like gonna just be so ingrained in humanity. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>really a magic here. But the magic isn't us. It's

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01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:52.359
<v Speaker 1>just a you know that the curriculum of Monroe is

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01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a really good teacher to pull the magic out of

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01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you that's already there. And I'm telling you, I went

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01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to that place with a complex and I had myself

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01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>locked into prison, and I came out of that self

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01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>with my limiting beliefs completely eradicated and just going down

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01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a completely different path, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had a new map yeah, yep, new map, Yep,

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01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:22.119
<v Speaker 2>new direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Great answer. I think this is the longest we've ever

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01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>hovered on that final question. I like to ask people

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01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>at the end, you know, what would you tell the

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01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.479
<v Speaker 1>whole world? I think we went like twenty minutes on it.

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01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.399
<v Speaker 1>That was great, fantastic And if you guys are sad

1507
01:30:36.399 --> 01:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that we're about to wrap up with Ignacio Fretnt because

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01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>he will be returning next week along with my sister.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be a really fun one. I'm really

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01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to that.

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<v Speaker 2>So any last words, No, come join us at Monroe

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01:30:55.640 --> 01:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>experience the programs online, yeah, in person and coming to

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01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:03.399
<v Speaker 2>locations near you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, maybe I'll wait a little longer down the

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01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>road to talk more about that. Yeah, there's some expansion

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01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>under you know, going going on at the moment. But

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01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>what about your programs. I want them to be able

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01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.119
<v Speaker 1>to find you. Oh sure, yeah, your your links and things.

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01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my links for exploring consciousness which are virtual in person,

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01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>uh siphericsolutions dot com. You can see information about my programs,

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01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:36.079
<v Speaker 2>music that I write that's available online Monroe related music related.

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01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>So there, and I think we can list it in

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01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>the description as well. So yes, Azabella at Monroe Institute

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01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>dot org. Okay, you'll find me there as well.

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01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:52.479
<v Speaker 1>As well as any sort of artist collaboration that exists

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01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:56.239
<v Speaker 1>where musicians such as my sister tune in next week.

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01:31:56.479 --> 01:32:00.119
<v Speaker 1>But any sort of collaboration where musicians are, you know,

1528
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>putting out music that's using the Monroe Sound Science, you know,

1529
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>this is the man behind the scenes that's that's doing this.

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01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:12.760
<v Speaker 1>So really talented artists out there, you know, if you're

1531
01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're seeking, this is the guy. But anyways, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining. We will see you next week next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this has been a blast. I love it. Long

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01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>time coming, yeah, long time coming, and we're gonna do

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01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it again tomorrow, which for their perspective is next week.

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<v Speaker 1>So to that, I will say bye, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird things happened in the bl