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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to talk on the afcast five AM six forty,

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<v Speaker 2>you go handle here to Thursday, February twenty seven, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the stories we are looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump said that the proposed terrorifts on Mexico and

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<v Speaker 3>Canada will go into effect on March fourth. Charge China

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<v Speaker 3>will be charged ten percent tariff the same day, and

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<v Speaker 3>the tariff wars are beginning now, yes, sirday or this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>we got some news that Gene Hackman has died. Gene Hackman,

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<v Speaker 3>if you you just started watching movies, maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know who he is, but just an iconic actor, Academy

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<v Speaker 3>Award winner twice over. I just did some wonderful, wonderful films.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually became a major star with He was Popeye

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<v Speaker 3>Doyle and oh my god, did I just forget the

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<v Speaker 3>name of the film, Oh French connection. Just extraordinary anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>what makes us a particularly interesting story? But the guy's

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<v Speaker 3>ninety five? Okay, so were it should be no big deal. However,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a neighbor who called this is Santa Fe,

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<v Speaker 3>New Mexico, And a neighbor did not see Hackman or

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<v Speaker 3>his wife or the dog for several days, so call

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<v Speaker 3>the authorities went in on a wellness check and there

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<v Speaker 3>was Gene Hackman, his wife Betsy Arakawa, and their dog

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the name dead, and the authorities are

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<v Speaker 3>saying they don't think it is foul play. So immediately

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to mind, what could it be? Maybe carbon

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<v Speaker 3>monoxide poisoning. That makes sense, I mean, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it was a triple suicide. You know, Gene Hackman did it,

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<v Speaker 3>or his wife did it, or the dog did it

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<v Speaker 3>and killed both of them instantly. If it's do they

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<v Speaker 3>consider that foul play. If it's a murder suicide, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if that would be under the definition of

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<v Speaker 3>foul play. But as I looked at this, I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be kind of interesting because we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And immediately comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the other stars who have all died under

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<v Speaker 3>weird circumstances, you know, where there is tremendous doubt where

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<v Speaker 3>you have one diagnosis. Elvis Presley, for example, famously sat

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<v Speaker 3>on his toilet seat. I don't know if that's an

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<v Speaker 3>urban myth or not, and he ended up collapsing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was forty two. Was it a drug overdose?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they found drugs in his body, but the coroner

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<v Speaker 3>said there were so many underlying conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>He was so.

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<v Speaker 3>Screwed up physically that who the hell knows. Marilyn Monroe

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<v Speaker 3>died of barbituate overdose. Of course, the infamous Marilyn Monroe suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it purposely done? They found a bottle of barbituates

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<v Speaker 3>next to her bedside in the morning in the hotel room.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the more interesting ones is, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>David Carradine.

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<v Speaker 3>David Carradine found well, let's just say, in his bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>naked with what was it a belt around his neck

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<v Speaker 3>known suicide notes. And there is a sexual piccadillo where

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<v Speaker 3>tend one tends to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that auto erotic auto erotic expeciation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, given the guy from in Excess the band

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<v Speaker 3>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>And for those of you that and this has to

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<v Speaker 3>do with I'm not going to go into it because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to start really playing games with it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it has to do with uh, you know, masturbation

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, getting close to passing out that somehow

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<v Speaker 3>it heightens your feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's I don't you know what. It

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't worked for me very well.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know what you think about that Tupac

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<v Speaker 3>Tupac right twenty five when he was killed and already

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<v Speaker 3>such a massive star shot in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they still believe it. They still believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there's more to that story. You've got Prince.

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<v Speaker 3>He and everybody thinks he just died in the hotel,

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<v Speaker 3>in his elevator, in his house. Well, there was more

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<v Speaker 3>to it than that. He was suffering from the flu

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<v Speaker 3>jet emergency landing, hospitalized, treated with neules own you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the anti opiate, and he went against medical advice return home,

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<v Speaker 1>In the elevator.

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<v Speaker 3>You know's and and there are rumors about that. Matthew Perry,

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<v Speaker 3>well that's kind of and that's kind of an open

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<v Speaker 3>shut case. But even going back into Hollywood history, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's some the Black Dahlia, for example, Elizabeth Short, she

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<v Speaker 3>He was well known and shot dead. He was shot

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I could go on and on.

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<v Speaker 3>Just mysterious deaths. So we'll see what happens. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it is be very mysterious about this. If we

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<v Speaker 3>had to get we did a roundabout this morning. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the general consensus was and we're guessing now no

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<v Speaker 3>one has any idea, probably carbon monoxide. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's because of the dog. You know, no one kills

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<v Speaker 3>a dog. Well Hitler did killed his dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We really enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 3>But Okay, lawsuit that I have been talking about, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is something that I've been studying since law school,

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<v Speaker 3>and this had to do with the case of reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 3>I shared this with you, and that was Baki versus

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<v Speaker 3>the regions of the state of California, where David Baki

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<v Speaker 3>sued a white guy because he was not allowed in

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<v Speaker 3>medical school because there was a quota system, and a

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<v Speaker 3>black that did not meet the same requirements, the same

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<v Speaker 3>qualifications as per the school with the school demanded got

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<v Speaker 3>the job. But did you just say a black yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>black man being like an African American man. Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a black man. Okay, just a black Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>A black man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounded weird, Okay, yeah, I was just rushing

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<v Speaker 1>Individual African American maybe yeah. Yeah. I mean it may

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<v Speaker 1>sound weird, but that's not where I was going to thay. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a gay person, a gay man, a gay woman. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it. I just try to stay away from

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<v Speaker 1>all those things, those people. Oh, you can't say that. No,

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<v Speaker 3>So you had David Baki and he sued anyone based

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<v Speaker 3>on the fact that an African American got in and

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<v Speaker 3>did not meet the same qualifications as a school demanded.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the court said no, no, there's no thing is

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<v Speaker 3>that we can't have reverse discrimination to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>race cannot matter at all. That's the latest Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 3>So now have this was a case sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>first impression. You have a straight woman, she's white, and

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<v Speaker 3>she said that she was discriminated against because she was

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<v Speaker 3>white and straight. Now, this is an interesting lawsuit. This

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<v Speaker 3>has not been heard before. And it's a woman from

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<v Speaker 3>state Agency for Youth Services, and she alleges that she

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<v Speaker 3>was not only not promoted when she deserved to be,

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<v Speaker 3>and a person of less qualification per the agent see

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<v Speaker 3>was put in her place, but she was demoded and

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<v Speaker 3>a gay person was put in her place, and the

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<v Speaker 3>supervisor who did all of that was gay. So she sues,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Supreme Court is saying, yeah, she's got a

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<v Speaker 3>lawsuit dismissed by the lower court because the rules are

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<v Speaker 3>that if you are a member of the majority read white,

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<v Speaker 3>read straight, then it's a higher bar. You have to

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<v Speaker 3>prove more discrimination than if you are a minority person.

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<v Speaker 1>And the court.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, no discrimination is discrimination. And you've got the folks

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<v Speaker 3>that the activists are reeling on this, and even the

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<v Speaker 3>liberals on the court looks like they're going to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if your discrimination is discrimination, and you can't

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<v Speaker 3>have a higher bar for people that are straight and white. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, as far as the majority is concerned,

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of education, Asians are considered part of white people.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not considered a minority. Asians are not a minority

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<v Speaker 3>when in.

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<v Speaker 1>The education system.

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<v Speaker 3>Why because go to Berkeley and see how many Asians

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<v Speaker 3>Berkeley or Stanford.

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<v Speaker 1>Or cal Tech.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are so many that, in fact, our students

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<v Speaker 3>have gotten in because it's part of the culture that

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<v Speaker 3>education means everything, and so they're no longer a minority.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of interesting on that one, but the bottom line

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<v Speaker 3>is the court is going to rule that. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just that simple. You discriminate, You're done. Can't discriminate

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<v Speaker 3>in the base of race, or gender, or religion or

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<v Speaker 3>sexual affiliation. And it's that simple. And she argued, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>here's my sexual affiliation. I'm straight, I'm white, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is a no no when it comes.

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<v Speaker 1>To these discrimination cases. That's going to turn around completely.

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<v Speaker 3>You watch and the argument on the other side, and

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<v Speaker 3>I shared this before. I once interviewed Jesse Jackson, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was in favor by the way of straight out

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<v Speaker 3>discrimination against white people. He made it really clear, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>fine with giving African Americans, particularly other minorities, a bigger chance,

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<v Speaker 3>more opportunity, because we have to even the playing field.

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<v Speaker 3>And to even the playing field is not an even

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<v Speaker 3>playing field, it's to make up for what happened in

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<v Speaker 3>the past, which I'm not even going to go into

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<v Speaker 3>the way Africa, particularly African Americans, were.

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<v Speaker 1>Treated in this country.

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<v Speaker 3>The thought of an African American and wasn't too many

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<v Speaker 3>decades ago not being looked at, not being passed over

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<v Speaker 3>for getting into college in favor of white The thought

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<v Speaker 3>of an African American getting into college was impossible to

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<v Speaker 3>even fathom. It was that bad in this country. So

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court is going to rule you're white, you're straight,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't be discriminated against. You have to figure something

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<v Speaker 3>else out. We'll come up with some other discrimination. It's

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<v Speaker 3>always fun to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, done with that bird flu.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had a lot about bird flu, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course the cost of eggs is skyrocket and the

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<v Speaker 3>two are inextrictably connected. So in twenty twenty two, the

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<v Speaker 3>H five N one bird flu made its first appearance

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<v Speaker 3>at a poultry farm.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking three years.

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<v Speaker 3>Ago, and that was an Indiana turkey farm, and twenty

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<v Speaker 3>nine thousand turkeys were sacrificed because you wanted to hold

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<v Speaker 3>it or they wanted to localize it. Three years later,

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<v Speaker 3>the Avian flu has spread to all fifty states. The

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<v Speaker 3>number of birds that have been that have died or

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<v Speaker 3>been killed is over one hundred and sixty six million

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<v Speaker 3>of them. The price of eggs, well, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>price of eggs, and they're getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to get worse.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have poultry producers, infectious disease experts, government officials

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<v Speaker 3>now say, well, this avian flu is here to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going no place.

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<v Speaker 3>And so now we have to rethink what is going

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<v Speaker 3>on because now some of them are questioning whether the

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<v Speaker 3>culling practice, long standing practice of culling every bird, killing

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<v Speaker 3>them on an infected farm, if that is sustainable over

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<v Speaker 3>the long run. There may be no chickens left if we.

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<v Speaker 3>So how about targeted depopulation vaccination? Actually they hate it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know those birds. Seen a kid who can't stand

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<v Speaker 1>The relocation of.

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<v Speaker 3>Wetlands, bodies of water that the wild birds they carry

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<v Speaker 3>these has so many problems. Those that advocate culling, mask

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<v Speaker 3>killing says, the only thing that makes any sense. The

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<v Speaker 3>current version of this flu highly contagious, highly lethal.

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<v Speaker 1>The mortality rate is about one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Chicken, our turkey or duck gets the bird flu dead

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<v Speaker 3>goodbye is described to go straight through a flock like

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<v Speaker 3>a hot knife through butter. And that's why most people

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<v Speaker 3>in favor of mass culling saying it's humane, it's cost

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<v Speaker 3>effective because if a bird gets the bird flu, let

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you that is not a fun way for

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<v Speaker 3>a chicken to die. They die from dehydration because they

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<v Speaker 3>have such a massive diarrhea and respiratory illness, and on

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't look sick is a huge gamble too.

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<v Speaker 1>Those chickens and my chickens don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Look sick, they may already be infected and they're spreading

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<v Speaker 3>their virus through their poop without any signs. In other words,

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<v Speaker 3>it's already fred I was spread by the time they

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<v Speaker 1>And the only way to.

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<v Speaker 3>Know for sure is to test each bird individually. How

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<v Speaker 3>do you do that, because even one infected bird can

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<v Speaker 3>spread the virus to an entire flock of replacements. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this thing is like measles, insanely contagious. The difference is

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<v Speaker 3>these birds die. So all of this makes it very difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the reasons to call early is you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to have a lot of bird human exposure

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<v Speaker 3>because if you just kill all the chickens. If you

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<v Speaker 3>kill all the turkeys, you're not going to see much spread. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you talk about localizing the spread of the virus.

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<v Speaker 1>No more birds, Oh, that's done.

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<v Speaker 3>International trade agreements require stomping out is what they call

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<v Speaker 3>it culling. Now the USDA US Department of Agriculture reimburseds

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<v Speaker 3>farmers for eggs and birds that have to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Killed, but not for those that die of the flu.

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<v Speaker 3>One more reason, let's kill them before this thing catches on.

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<v Speaker 3>So at times this has meant more than killing four

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<v Speaker 3>million of these, most of which have been healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a couple of a couple of alternatives have been suggested.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a veterinarian with the USDA says, let's look at

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<v Speaker 3>requiring workers to change their clothes and their boots when

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<v Speaker 3>single barn, or separating out birds and chickens and turkeys

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<v Speaker 3>and making sure that different buildings have different kinds of birds.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, you have broilers, you have egg laying chickens,

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<v Speaker 3>make sure they're miles apart from each other. Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>argument is that even with that, this virus spreads very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>It is out there and it's here to stay. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there an answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Oh, and here's one that.

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<v Speaker 3>If culling does not take place, then an entire country's

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<v Speaker 3>production may cease.

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<v Speaker 1>To be imported into another country. It's that simple. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no good answer here at all. So who

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna kill first, the chicken or the egg?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the question.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I want to spend a minute talking about coyotes.

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<v Speaker 3>Story in the La Times. Study just came out, really

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<v Speaker 1>Who studies coyotes.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I don't want you to think I'm biased against

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<v Speaker 3>coyotes just because they're baby eating vermin, big rats that

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<v Speaker 3>every disease in the world and they all should be

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<v Speaker 3>wiped out in one fell swoop.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want you to think that I'm biased on this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that my little Gucci, my little shelter dog,

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<v Speaker 3>two months ago, was breakfast for a coyote that came

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<v Speaker 3>into the yard and we had to put her down.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't fun. And my new house if you were

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<v Speaker 3>to come, which of course you're not going to come,

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<v Speaker 3>but because there's no chance you'll ever be invited. But

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<v Speaker 3>I actually have put coyote protection around my house because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm up in a hill and I overlook a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of houses below me, and there's this hillside and it's

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<v Speaker 3>full of trees and shrubs coyote land, so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a bunch of at me, like bombs and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have. It's a fence. It's a coyote fence which

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<v Speaker 1>goes up ten feet.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say whether it's electrified or not,

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<v Speaker 3>but I will say I wouldn't get near it if

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<v Speaker 3>I were you, or you had a pet or a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>And what looks like a shotgun, a spring shotgun that's

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<v Speaker 3>aimed at that fence.

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<v Speaker 1>To ignore that one too. Here's what the study.

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<v Speaker 3>Said and it just came out, and that is, if

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<v Speaker 3>you are rich, you live in those zip codes that

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<v Speaker 3>are more affluent.

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<v Speaker 1>This is La County and Orange County too.

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<v Speaker 3>People who live in those areas, first of all, harbor

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<v Speaker 3>more unfavorable and separationist views on coyotes. Rich people hate

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<v Speaker 3>coyotes more. Strangely enough, poor people or people in lower

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<v Speaker 3>socioeconomic areas don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Really they're not as excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's because they don't live in areas in where

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<v Speaker 3>they have hills and coyotes hanging around, and coyotes tend

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<v Speaker 3>to like being around poor people. You would think it'd

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<v Speaker 3>be the opposite. Nope, they like urban parks. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>hang as much in higher income areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally contradictory to what you would think.

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<v Speaker 3>But this study found that the higher median income areas

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<v Speaker 3>correlated with the negative opinions we those of us who

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<v Speaker 3>live in areas that are hilly, and I live in.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty good zip code. I'm not gonna lie about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is you know, they hate coyote, hate coyotes more than

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you hate coyotes.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're living in a dumpster in mid Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't hate coyotes as much as I do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>And coyotes tend to and I don't understand this because

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<v Speaker 3>I live in a neighborhood where there are so many

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<v Speaker 3>coyotes here. They literally walk up and down the street

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<v Speaker 3>and they are fearless.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they pay attention? They don't. They're protected.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't shoot them, you can't take their heads off

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<v Speaker 3>with a guillotine.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't give them poison meat.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't take a shotgun and say hello, let me

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<v Speaker 3>tell you where head's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be in about thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't do any of that. They are protected. And

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<v Speaker 3>even coyote trappers they come and I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what that costs. I mean, it's just it's crazy. They come,

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<v Speaker 3>they trap the coyotes and coyote traps and then take

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<v Speaker 3>them out and they eat somebody else's pet somewhere down

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<v Speaker 3>the street. The folks at PETA People for Ethical Treatment

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<v Speaker 3>of Animals, they're arguing, even those coyote trappers who humanely

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<v Speaker 3>trap coyotes and get rid of them, that should be outlawed.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if any one of them would say the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing if their pet dog was eaten or their

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<v Speaker 3>pet dog became an order for a coyote. Now, granted

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<v Speaker 3>I may be a little biased here, but here in

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<v Speaker 3>southern California, and I don't know how many parts of

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess California, coyotes are a protected species.

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<v Speaker 3>Right you go to the Midwest, I think there are

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<v Speaker 3>bounties for coyotes.

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<v Speaker 1>Do coyotes live in Minneapolis? I don't even know. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to tell you one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That coyote gets near me, I hope they strangle on

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<v Speaker 3>the on the fence. Do you know how difficult it

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<v Speaker 3>is to actually manufacture a fence that once a coyote

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<v Speaker 3>hits it, it actually starts turning around and strangling the coyote. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna leave it at that. You know, just I'm

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<v Speaker 3>an animal lover.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell. Coming up, Joel Larsgard joins.

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<v Speaker 3>Us how to money and how you two can make

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<v Speaker 3>money from dead coyotes. He'll be right with us. KF

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<v Speaker 3>I am sixty.

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