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Speaker 2: of the stories we are looking at.
Speaker 3: President Trump said that the proposed terrorifts on Mexico and
Speaker 3: Canada will go into effect on March fourth. Charge China
Speaker 3: will be charged ten percent tariff the same day, and
Speaker 3: the tariff wars are beginning now, yes, sirday or this morning,
Speaker 3: we got some news that Gene Hackman has died. Gene Hackman,
Speaker 3: if you you just started watching movies, maybe you don't
Speaker 3: know who he is, but just an iconic actor, Academy
Speaker 3: Award winner twice over. I just did some wonderful, wonderful films.
Speaker 3: He actually became a major star with He was Popeye
Speaker 3: Doyle and oh my god, did I just forget the
Speaker 3: name of the film, Oh French connection. Just extraordinary anyway,
Speaker 3: what makes us a particularly interesting story? But the guy's
Speaker 3: ninety five? Okay, so were it should be no big deal. However,
Speaker 3: there was a neighbor who called this is Santa Fe,
Speaker 3: New Mexico, And a neighbor did not see Hackman or
Speaker 3: his wife or the dog for several days, so call
Speaker 3: the authorities went in on a wellness check and there
Speaker 3: was Gene Hackman, his wife Betsy Arakawa, and their dog
Speaker 3: I don't know the name dead, and the authorities are
Speaker 3: saying they don't think it is foul play. So immediately
Speaker 3: it comes to mind, what could it be? Maybe carbon
Speaker 3: monoxide poisoning. That makes sense, I mean, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: it was a triple suicide. You know, Gene Hackman did it,
Speaker 3: or his wife did it, or the dog did it
Speaker 3: and killed both of them instantly. If it's do they
Speaker 3: consider that foul play. If it's a murder suicide, I
Speaker 3: don't know if that would be under the definition of
Speaker 3: foul play. But as I looked at this, I said, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is going to be kind of interesting because we
Speaker 3: don't know yet.
Speaker 1: And immediately comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Look at the other stars who have all died under
Speaker 3: weird circumstances, you know, where there is tremendous doubt where
Speaker 3: you have one diagnosis. Elvis Presley, for example, famously sat
Speaker 3: on his toilet seat. I don't know if that's an
Speaker 3: urban myth or not, and he ended up collapsing.
Speaker 1: I think he was forty two. Was it a drug overdose?
Speaker 3: Well, they found drugs in his body, but the coroner
Speaker 3: said there were so many underlying conditions.
Speaker 1: He was so.
Speaker 3: Screwed up physically that who the hell knows. Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 3: died of barbituate overdose. Of course, the infamous Marilyn Monroe suicide.
Speaker 3: Was it purposely done? They found a bottle of barbituates
Speaker 3: next to her bedside in the morning in the hotel room.
Speaker 3: One of the more interesting ones is, uh.
Speaker 1: David Carradine.
Speaker 3: David Carradine found well, let's just say, in his bathroom
Speaker 3: naked with what was it a belt around his neck
Speaker 3: known suicide notes. And there is a sexual piccadillo where
Speaker 3: tend one tends to do that.
Speaker 1: What's that auto erotic auto erotic expeciation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, given the guy from in Excess the band
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so.
Speaker 3: And for those of you that and this has to
Speaker 3: do with I'm not going to go into it because
Speaker 3: I don't want to start really playing games with it,
Speaker 3: but it has to do with uh, you know, masturbation
Speaker 3: and you know, getting close to passing out that somehow
Speaker 3: it heightens your feelings.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's I don't you know what. It
Speaker 1: hasn't worked for me very well.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what you think about that Tupac
Speaker 3: Tupac right twenty five when he was killed and already
Speaker 3: such a massive star shot in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know, they still believe it. They still believe that
Speaker 1: there's more to that story. You've got Prince.
Speaker 3: He and everybody thinks he just died in the hotel,
Speaker 3: in his elevator, in his house. Well, there was more
Speaker 3: to it than that. He was suffering from the flu
Speaker 3: at the time he died. He became unresponsive on his
Speaker 3: jet emergency landing, hospitalized, treated with neules own you know,
Speaker 3: the anti opiate, and he went against medical advice return home,
Speaker 3: and he then dies.
Speaker 1: In the elevator.
Speaker 3: You know's and and there are rumors about that. Matthew Perry,
Speaker 3: well that's kind of and that's kind of an open
Speaker 3: shut case. But even going back into Hollywood history, and
Speaker 3: there's some the Black Dahlia, for example, Elizabeth Short, she
Speaker 3: was an actress. And if you go way back nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty two, William Desmond Taylor, he was a director and actor.
Speaker 3: He was well known and shot dead. He was shot
Speaker 3: in the back. No one ever knew who did it
Speaker 3: under very mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 1: I mean I could go on and on.
Speaker 3: Just mysterious deaths. So we'll see what happens. I don't
Speaker 3: think it is be very mysterious about this. If we
Speaker 3: had to get we did a roundabout this morning. I
Speaker 3: think the general consensus was and we're guessing now no
Speaker 3: one has any idea, probably carbon monoxide. And I think
Speaker 3: that's because of the dog. You know, no one kills
Speaker 3: a dog. Well Hitler did killed his dog.
Speaker 1: We really enjoyed.
Speaker 3: But Okay, lawsuit that I have been talking about, and
Speaker 3: this is something that I've been studying since law school,
Speaker 3: and this had to do with the case of reverse discrimination.
Speaker 3: I shared this with you, and that was Baki versus
Speaker 3: the regions of the state of California, where David Baki
Speaker 3: sued a white guy because he was not allowed in
Speaker 3: medical school because there was a quota system, and a
Speaker 3: black that did not meet the same requirements, the same
Speaker 3: qualifications as per the school with the school demanded got
Speaker 3: the job. But did you just say a black yeah,
Speaker 3: black man being like an African American man. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: a black man. Okay, just a black Okay.
Speaker 1: A black man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounded weird, Okay, yeah, I was just rushing
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 1: Individual African American maybe yeah. Yeah. I mean it may
Speaker 1: sound weird, but that's not where I was going to thay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a gay person, a gay man, a gay woman. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got it. I just try to stay away from
Speaker 1: all those things, those people. Oh, you can't say that. No,
Speaker 1: I misspoke on that one. Okay.
Speaker 3: So you had David Baki and he sued anyone based
Speaker 3: on the fact that an African American got in and
Speaker 3: did not meet the same qualifications as a school demanded.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Then the court said no, no, there's no thing is
Speaker 3: that we can't have reverse discrimination to the point where
Speaker 3: race cannot matter at all. That's the latest Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: So now have this was a case sort of a
Speaker 3: first impression. You have a straight woman, she's white, and
Speaker 3: she said that she was discriminated against because she was
Speaker 3: white and straight. Now, this is an interesting lawsuit. This
Speaker 3: has not been heard before. And it's a woman from
Speaker 3: Ohio who worked for the Ohio I Think School System
Speaker 3: state Agency for Youth Services, and she alleges that she
Speaker 3: was not only not promoted when she deserved to be,
Speaker 3: and a person of less qualification per the agent see
Speaker 3: was put in her place, but she was demoded and
Speaker 3: a gay person was put in her place, and the
Speaker 3: supervisor who did all of that was gay. So she sues,
Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court is saying, yeah, she's got a
Speaker 3: lawsuit dismissed by the lower court because the rules are
Speaker 3: that if you are a member of the majority read white,
Speaker 3: read straight, then it's a higher bar. You have to
Speaker 3: prove more discrimination than if you are a minority person.
Speaker 1: And the court.
Speaker 3: Said, no discrimination is discrimination. And you've got the folks
Speaker 3: that the activists are reeling on this, and even the
Speaker 3: liberals on the court looks like they're going to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, if your discrimination is discrimination, and you can't
Speaker 3: have a higher bar for people that are straight and white. Also,
Speaker 3: by the way, as far as the majority is concerned,
Speaker 3: in terms of education, Asians are considered part of white people.
Speaker 3: They're not considered a minority. Asians are not a minority
Speaker 3: when in.
Speaker 1: The education system.
Speaker 3: Why because go to Berkeley and see how many Asians
Speaker 3: are part of the are part of the population of
Speaker 3: Berkeley or Stanford.
Speaker 1: Or cal Tech.
Speaker 3: So there are so many that, in fact, our students
Speaker 3: have gotten in because it's part of the culture that
Speaker 3: education means everything, and so they're no longer a minority.
Speaker 3: Kind of interesting on that one, but the bottom line
Speaker 3: is the court is going to rule that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just that simple. You discriminate, You're done. Can't discriminate
Speaker 3: in the base of race, or gender, or religion or
Speaker 3: sexual affiliation. And it's that simple. And she argued, Yeah,
Speaker 3: here's my sexual affiliation. I'm straight, I'm white, and that
Speaker 3: is a no no when it comes.
Speaker 1: To these discrimination cases. That's going to turn around completely.
Speaker 3: You watch and the argument on the other side, and
Speaker 3: I shared this before. I once interviewed Jesse Jackson, and
Speaker 3: he was in favor by the way of straight out
Speaker 3: discrimination against white people. He made it really clear, I'm
Speaker 3: fine with giving African Americans, particularly other minorities, a bigger chance,
Speaker 3: more opportunity, because we have to even the playing field.
Speaker 3: And to even the playing field is not an even
Speaker 3: playing field, it's to make up for what happened in
Speaker 3: the past, which I'm not even going to go into
Speaker 3: the way Africa, particularly African Americans, were.
Speaker 1: Treated in this country.
Speaker 3: The thought of an African American and wasn't too many
Speaker 3: decades ago not being looked at, not being passed over
Speaker 3: for getting into college in favor of white The thought
Speaker 3: of an African American getting into college was impossible to
Speaker 3: even fathom. It was that bad in this country. So
Speaker 3: Supreme Court is going to rule you're white, you're straight,
Speaker 3: you can't be discriminated against. You have to figure something
Speaker 3: else out. We'll come up with some other discrimination. It's
Speaker 3: always fun to do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, done with that bird flu.
Speaker 3: You know, we had a lot about bird flu, and
Speaker 3: of course the cost of eggs is skyrocket and the
Speaker 3: two are inextrictably connected. So in twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 3: H five N one bird flu made its first appearance
Speaker 3: at a poultry farm.
Speaker 1: So we're talking three years.
Speaker 3: Ago, and that was an Indiana turkey farm, and twenty
Speaker 3: nine thousand turkeys were sacrificed because you wanted to hold
Speaker 3: it or they wanted to localize it. Three years later,
Speaker 3: the Avian flu has spread to all fifty states. The
Speaker 3: number of birds that have been that have died or
Speaker 3: been killed is over one hundred and sixty six million
Speaker 3: of them. The price of eggs, well, you know, the
Speaker 3: price of eggs, and they're getting it.
Speaker 1: It's going to get worse.
Speaker 3: So you have poultry producers, infectious disease experts, government officials
Speaker 3: now say, well, this avian flu is here to stay.
Speaker 1: It's going no place.
Speaker 3: And so now we have to rethink what is going
Speaker 3: on because now some of them are questioning whether the
Speaker 3: culling practice, long standing practice of culling every bird, killing
Speaker 3: them on an infected farm, if that is sustainable over
Speaker 3: the long run. There may be no chickens left if we.
Speaker 1: Keep on doing what we're doing.
Speaker 3: So how about targeted depopulation vaccination? Actually they hate it,
Speaker 3: you know those birds. Seen a kid who can't stand
Speaker 3: getting a vaccination. Chickens are worse.
Speaker 1: The relocation of.
Speaker 3: Wetlands, bodies of water that the wild birds they carry
Speaker 3: this stuff fly into. The problem is every one of
Speaker 3: these has so many problems. Those that advocate culling, mask
Speaker 3: killing says, the only thing that makes any sense. The
Speaker 3: current version of this flu highly contagious, highly lethal.
Speaker 1: The mortality rate is about one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Chicken, our turkey or duck gets the bird flu dead
Speaker 3: goodbye is described to go straight through a flock like
Speaker 3: a hot knife through butter. And that's why most people
Speaker 3: in favor of mass culling saying it's humane, it's cost
Speaker 3: effective because if a bird gets the bird flu, let
Speaker 3: me tell you that is not a fun way for
Speaker 3: a chicken to die. They die from dehydration because they
Speaker 3: have such a massive diarrhea and respiratory illness, and on
Speaker 3: top of that they can't breathe. And sparing a bird
Speaker 3: that doesn't look sick is a huge gamble too.
Speaker 1: Those chickens and my chickens don't.
Speaker 3: Look sick, they may already be infected and they're spreading
Speaker 3: their virus through their poop without any signs. In other words,
Speaker 3: it's already fred I was spread by the time they
Speaker 3: look sick.
Speaker 1: And the only way to.
Speaker 3: Know for sure is to test each bird individually. How
Speaker 3: do you do that, because even one infected bird can
Speaker 3: spread the virus to an entire flock of replacements. I mean,
Speaker 3: this thing is like measles, insanely contagious. The difference is
Speaker 3: these birds die. So all of this makes it very difficult.
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons to call early is you
Speaker 3: don't want to have a lot of bird human exposure
Speaker 3: because if you just kill all the chickens. If you
Speaker 3: kill all the turkeys, you're not going to see much spread. Well,
Speaker 3: you talk about localizing the spread of the virus.
Speaker 1: No more birds, Oh, that's done.
Speaker 3: International trade agreements require stomping out is what they call
Speaker 3: it culling. Now the USDA US Department of Agriculture reimburseds
Speaker 3: farmers for eggs and birds that have to be.
Speaker 1: Killed, but not for those that die of the flu.
Speaker 3: One more reason, let's kill them before this thing catches on.
Speaker 3: So at times this has meant more than killing four
Speaker 3: million of these, most of which have been healthy.
Speaker 1: It is a mess.
Speaker 3: Now a couple of a couple of alternatives have been suggested.
Speaker 3: There's a veterinarian with the USDA says, let's look at
Speaker 3: requiring workers to change their clothes and their boots when
Speaker 3: moving from bar to barn, or signing workers to a
Speaker 3: single barn, or separating out birds and chickens and turkeys
Speaker 3: and making sure that different buildings have different kinds of birds.
Speaker 3: For example, you have broilers, you have egg laying chickens,
Speaker 3: make sure they're miles apart from each other. Well, the
Speaker 3: argument is that even with that, this virus spreads very quickly.
Speaker 3: It is out there and it's here to stay. Is
Speaker 3: there an answer?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Oh, and here's one that.
Speaker 3: If culling does not take place, then an entire country's
Speaker 3: production may cease.
Speaker 1: To be imported into another country. It's that simple. I mean,
Speaker 1: there is no good answer here at all. So who
Speaker 1: are you gonna kill first, the chicken or the egg?
Speaker 1: That's the question.
Speaker 3: Now I want to spend a minute talking about coyotes.
Speaker 3: Story in the La Times. Study just came out, really
Speaker 3: interesting one about coyotes and.
Speaker 1: Who studies coyotes.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't want you to think I'm biased against
Speaker 3: coyotes just because they're baby eating vermin, big rats that
Speaker 3: every disease in the world and they all should be
Speaker 3: wiped out in one fell swoop.
Speaker 1: Don't want you to think that I'm biased on this.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 3: the fact that my little Gucci, my little shelter dog,
Speaker 3: two months ago, was breakfast for a coyote that came
Speaker 3: into the yard and we had to put her down.
Speaker 3: That wasn't fun. And my new house if you were
Speaker 3: to come, which of course you're not going to come,
Speaker 3: but because there's no chance you'll ever be invited. But
Speaker 3: I actually have put coyote protection around my house because
Speaker 3: I'm up in a hill and I overlook a bunch
Speaker 3: of houses below me, and there's this hillside and it's
Speaker 3: full of trees and shrubs coyote land, so well.
Speaker 1: Like a bunch of at me, like bombs and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. It's a fence. It's a coyote fence which
Speaker 1: goes up ten feet.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say whether it's electrified or not,
Speaker 3: but I will say I wouldn't get near it if
Speaker 3: I were you, or you had a pet or a kid.
Speaker 3: And what looks like a shotgun, a spring shotgun that's
Speaker 3: aimed at that fence.
Speaker 1: To ignore that one too. Here's what the study.
Speaker 3: Said and it just came out, and that is, if
Speaker 3: you are rich, you live in those zip codes that
Speaker 3: are more affluent.
Speaker 1: This is La County and Orange County too.
Speaker 3: People who live in those areas, first of all, harbor
Speaker 3: more unfavorable and separationist views on coyotes. Rich people hate
Speaker 3: coyotes more. Strangely enough, poor people or people in lower
Speaker 3: socioeconomic areas don't.
Speaker 1: Really they're not as excited.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because they don't live in areas in where
Speaker 3: they have hills and coyotes hanging around, and coyotes tend
Speaker 3: to like being around poor people. You would think it'd
Speaker 3: be the opposite. Nope, they like urban parks. They don't
Speaker 3: hang as much in higher income areas.
Speaker 1: Totally contradictory to what you would think.
Speaker 3: But this study found that the higher median income areas
Speaker 3: correlated with the negative opinions we those of us who
Speaker 3: live in areas that are hilly, and I live in.
Speaker 1: A pretty good zip code. I'm not gonna lie about that.
Speaker 3: Is you know, they hate coyote, hate coyotes more than
Speaker 3: maybe you hate coyotes.
Speaker 1: So here's the bottom line.
Speaker 3: If you're living in a dumpster in mid Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: you don't hate coyotes as much as I do.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: And coyotes tend to and I don't understand this because
Speaker 3: I live in a neighborhood where there are so many
Speaker 3: coyotes here. They literally walk up and down the street
Speaker 3: and they are fearless.
Speaker 1: Do you think they pay attention? They don't. They're protected.
Speaker 3: You can't shoot them, you can't take their heads off
Speaker 3: with a guillotine.
Speaker 1: You can't give them poison meat.
Speaker 3: You can't take a shotgun and say hello, let me
Speaker 3: tell you where head's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: You can't do any of that. They are protected. And
Speaker 3: even coyote trappers they come and I don't even know
Speaker 3: what that costs. I mean, it's just it's crazy. They come,
Speaker 3: they trap the coyotes and coyote traps and then take
Speaker 3: them out and they eat somebody else's pet somewhere down
Speaker 3: the street. The folks at PETA People for Ethical Treatment
Speaker 3: of Animals, they're arguing, even those coyote trappers who humanely
Speaker 3: trap coyotes and get rid of them, that should be outlawed.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they.
Speaker 3: I wonder if any one of them would say the
Speaker 3: same thing if their pet dog was eaten or their
Speaker 3: pet dog became an order for a coyote. Now, granted
Speaker 3: I may be a little biased here, but here in
Speaker 3: southern California, and I don't know how many parts of
Speaker 3: the United States, probably only.
Speaker 1: I would guess California, coyotes are a protected species.
Speaker 3: Right you go to the Midwest, I think there are
Speaker 3: bounties for coyotes.
Speaker 1: Do coyotes live in Minneapolis? I don't even know. Huh.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you one thing.
Speaker 3: That coyote gets near me, I hope they strangle on
Speaker 3: the on the fence. Do you know how difficult it
Speaker 3: is to actually manufacture a fence that once a coyote
Speaker 3: hits it, it actually starts turning around and strangling the coyote. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave it at that. You know, just I'm
Speaker 3: an animal lover.
Speaker 1: You can tell. Coming up, Joel Larsgard joins.
Speaker 3: Us how to money and how you two can make
Speaker 3: money from dead coyotes. He'll be right with us. KF
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