1 00:00:02,919 --> 00:00:05,879 Speaker 1: The ass off of a weekend that saw Anthony Joshua 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,519 win the main event in Miami, feeding Jake Paul by 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,400 sixth round knockout. We're ready to recap that main event 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,120 and the rest of the fight card from South Florida. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:17,559 Speaker 2: We also have. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,559 Speaker 1: A former world champion who's vacated his belt and moved 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,160 up to junior featherweight. Juneto Nakatani, through an interpreter, is 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,199 on the podcast with Dan Rayfield. Here is part of 9 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:33,320 the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. Later on in the program, 10 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:35,679 I am the somewhat competent host TJ. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: Reeves. 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,679 Speaker 1: Good to be with all of you, and coming up, 13 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:42,439 we're going to have a full recap of everything that 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,320 went on at the Cassea Center in Miami. This Anthony 15 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:48,200 Joshua came to the United States, and this time it 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,079 worked out a whole lot better than his knockout loss 17 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:53,840 to Andy Ruiz in twenty nineteen. Second appearance here in 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,520 the US of A. And he gets, as I will 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,439 keep saying, and you'll hear me talking to Dan Rayfield 20 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:00,600 about it, the expected ko So it may have just 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,159 taken a little longer. Dan and I debate that we 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,640 debate where Joshua goes from here to another fight or 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,920 straight to the Tyson Fury fight, and he also is 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,480 going to recap the undercard with the Alicia Baumgardner, Win etc. 25 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:16,599 Thank you for finding us on the pod. Feed on 26 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:20,920 Apple Spreaker, Spotify. It is Christmas week Hanaka in progress, 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,480 fest of us for the rest of us. Happy Holidays 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,599 from Dan and me. As part of this podcast, feed, 29 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,560 rate us and review us that helps us out this 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,640 holiday season. Put that in our stocking. Make sure you're 31 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,239 following and subscribed up on Apple Spreaker, Spotify. This is 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,439 the recap pod coming off the weekend again Juneto Nakatani. 33 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,239 Later on here in the podcast, Nakatani is on this 34 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:48,000 night of the Samurai card that is taking place in 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,799 Saudi Arabia coming up on Saturday. Nakatani moving up again 36 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:58,439 to junior featherweight and fighting Sebastian Hernandez, a little known 37 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:02,799 unbeaten fighter. Meanwhile, in a Way is fighting Alan David 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,159 Picasso and defending his four belts at one hundred and 39 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,680 twenty two pounds again in a way four belt undisputed 40 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:14,080 it both bantamweight and now at junior featherweight, and he 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,479 and Nakatani may be fighting, and Dan asks Juto Nakatani 42 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:22,879 about that possibility and about what he knows personally about 43 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,000 in a way, etc. Later on here in the pod, 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 So stand by for that again in the recap mode. 45 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,400 Let me set this up that we did our post 46 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:37,719 fight show on the YouTube channel on the Big Fight 47 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:42,479 Weekend YouTube channel. Did that first late Friday, early Saturday morning, 48 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:46,280 well after one am Eastern time noon or midnight Central 49 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,479 Time in the early morning hours of Saturday. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,759 Speaker 2: So you're gonna hear that. 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear me make reference probably a couple of 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,240 times that we were doing this in the middle of 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,039 the night, late night Friday night, we had found out 54 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Jake Paul had broken his jaw in two places, had 55 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:04,080 gone to be checked out to a local hospital and 56 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:09,439 have the jaws set and wired. After Joshua's win and 57 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,240 again a big payday for the former unified heavyweight champion, 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,759 and Dan and I are gonna talk through all of 59 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,879 that and the undercard, so let's get to that now 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,400 in the recap mode without further delay. Good long thoughts 61 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,439 from both of us back and forth about Joshua getting 62 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:29,120 those knock downs, about Jake Paul scrambling running as Dan's 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,280 gonna call it, you know, flopping and trying to tackle 64 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,759 Anthony Joshua overnover again. Full inside into that and the 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,199 undercard including Alicia Bamgardner being dominant in the co feature 66 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:43,240 in her women's world title fight. All of that right 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,159 now on the Fight Freaks Unit recap. Pot, Let's get 68 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:51,879 to what we thought of this tonight, all right, your 69 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,120 thoughts here, as it took until the sixth round before 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,719 Joshua finally got to Jake paul big right hand basically 71 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:02,560 in Paul says his jaw is broken. That might have 72 00:04:02,599 --> 00:04:04,919 been the punch that broke the jaw. Dan, what are 73 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,199 your thoughts as as we watched all of this unfold? 74 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I mean he knocked him down four times. 75 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,599 So one thing, you know, Jake, credit to him for 76 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,599 getting up all those times. He kept getting up. But 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 on the other hand, I lost track of how many 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,480 times he flopped during the fight, Like ridiculously. I thought 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,560 the Rep. Frankly should have taken him, taken some taking 80 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,120 a point away, not that it would have ended up 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,120 mattering because he ended up getting the knockout, but it 82 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,240 was it was a horrible fight for the first four rounds. 83 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,000 I mean, people may forget about that, because at least 84 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,839 the final two rounds when Jake decided to maybe try 85 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,399 to engage a little bit and Joshua caught up to 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,800 him and started landing in the right hands. So that was, 87 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,759 you know, definitely entertaining those last couple of rounds. But 88 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,160 for the first four rounds, he I mean, he fled. 89 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,600 I mean it was it was doing his best imitation 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,040 of William's skull against Canelo or Arislani Laura against Canelo 91 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,519 or Riggando or whoever. I mean, he looked like, you know, 92 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 he was in a a in a race, you know, 93 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,519 a road race or a foot race. It reminded me 94 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,800 of a abb and to date myself years ago covering 95 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,800 a Bernard Hopkins fight in Philadelphia when Bernard was the 96 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,000 middleway champion. He fought a petrified mandatory challenger from France 97 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,480 named Arod Hakr who literally ran in a circle around 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,600 the ring at times. And I love the fact that 99 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Christopher Young, who was the referee, who was an excellent referee. 100 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,600 By the way, this is a round four after after 101 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:27,720 after after Jake Paul had flopped the canvas for literally 102 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,680 like the fifth time grabbing on the Joshua falling down. 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,879 It wasn't Joshua's fault, but he called them together and 104 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:35,480 he said the fans had not pay to see this crap, 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,040 and he was right, and they did. 106 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: He was absolutely speaking for all of us at. 107 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: That hundred percent. So at the end of the day, 108 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:46,399 as I as I thought to myself, wasn't a train wreck, 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,240 wasn't wasn't boxing's best night, wasn't the worst night. It 110 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:51,839 just sort of was what it was. It was like 111 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:55,120 a mild diversion, And I thought, Eddie Hearn in his 112 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:58,519 brief comments to Ariel Hawani on the Netflix broadcast after 113 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,160 the fight, during a brief inner, you said, you know what, 114 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,439 credit to Jake for doing what he did, Anthony. Joshua 115 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,399 comes off a fifteen month layoff, gets in a few rounds, 116 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,000 and now it's into twenty twenty six for the real business. 117 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,079 And that's exactly the way to look at it. This 118 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,000 was shake off that, as Joshua stated, shake off the cobwebs. Yeah, 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,079 it took a little longer than I hoped for, but 120 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:21,680 in the end, it was an eight round schedule fight. 121 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,519 He got him out of there in six. He put 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,439 him on the canvas a bunch of times and that 123 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,079 was that. Was it four times? Or was it three times? 124 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,439 I'm not even sure now I think it was. 125 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,879 Speaker 1: Four officially, Yeah, And I really thought after the big 126 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,120 right hand the referee could have just stopped the fight 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:35,959 and said that's it. 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: But you know, he chose to count him out and 129 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,439 there we go. All right. 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: So again for the audience, thank you for finding this 131 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,800 again as we're doing this live in the middle of 132 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:47,279 the night. 133 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: I know we're also. 134 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,519 Speaker 1: Using this on the pod replay for the Fight Freaks 135 00:06:51,639 --> 00:06:54,680 Unit Recap podcast as well, but we did this live 136 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,639 in in the aftermath of what went on in Miami 137 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,959 late Friday night into Saturday. So I think a question 138 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:03,519 that a lot of people have. We'll see how many 139 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,560 of the Savages are sounding off about this. Joshua was 140 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,920 definitely tentative. We got the answer in the first minute 141 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,199 in the first round that he barely threw any punches. 142 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,439 I really felt like he was very concerned about getting countered. 143 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,120 He was trying to time him. 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,399 Speaker 3: It was I totally disagree. 145 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on it. 146 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:24,959 Speaker 1: He was really the first two rounds he was not 147 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,959 throwing punches and was tentative. Why do you think he 148 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:31,079 was that tentative on lack of punch output? 149 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: That's it nice. 150 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:33,879 Speaker 3: I don't agree that he was tentative when a guy 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,439 is literally running, literally circling the ring and backing up, 152 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:41,480 and I mean Jake Paul backed up and ran so 153 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,319 much in those first few rounds. At one point he 154 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:47,120 was going backwards. He almost fell down. He was trying 155 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,800 to run backwards so fast he had to grab the 156 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:51,519 ropes to keep him falling down. So a guy is 157 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:54,079 not going to just waste punches when a guy's just 158 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,199 running away from him. That doesn't make any sense. He's 159 00:07:56,199 --> 00:07:58,439 not going to just go out there and expend energy 160 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:58,680 for no. 161 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Let's go let it like this. We know Joshua was 162 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:03,759 a former two time world champion. He's fought at the 163 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,759 championship level for a decade. He knows that angles how 164 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,279 to cut the ring off. To me, he just looked 165 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,120 like I'm not wanting to throw a lot of punches 166 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,199 in the first In the second round, That's what it 167 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,920 looked like to me. 168 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: Not cut the ring off. 169 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,199 Speaker 3: I just said he was look he was coming off 170 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,720 the layoff, you know, I said beforehand, you know, if 171 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,519 you want to spot him around maybe two, you know, 172 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:33,159 to just get some work in, I guess. But you know, 173 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,039 if a guy was coming, and I'm not saying that 174 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,759 Jake Paul should have just walked to him and got 175 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:41,159 knocked the fuck out in the first round, right, Obviously 176 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,600 that's not to be expected. But the compact you make 177 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,799 when you're a professional boxer, you're going to fight the guy, 178 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,360 and I don't mean to just be stupid on defense 179 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,320 and walk to the You know, you're walk into the propeller, 180 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,799 but you you're supposed to fight, and he didn't come 181 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,639 to fight for those first rounds. I don't I don't 182 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,000 blame him. I mean, he was trying to do every 183 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 thing in his power to not get knocked the fuck 184 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,360 out in the first or second round. So I don't 185 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,000 blame Joshua for that. You can't get blood from a 186 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:09,559 stone if you can't make the other guy fight. You 187 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,679 could he have done a little better, maybe, you know, 188 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:13,519 cutting the ring off like you said, Sure, but that's 189 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,600 never been his game. You're not going to teach this 190 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,639 old dog new tricks. He's been a pro for a 191 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:20,320 very long time and that's never been his forte. So 192 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:24,960 eventually his size leaning on him a little bit that 193 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,159 you know that Jake would try to grab him. That 194 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,440 you know, as Jake Paul said in his post fight interview, 195 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,440 the weight, you know, sapped him of some energy and 196 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,159 it was just a matter of time till he caught 197 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,159 up to him. Had Jake came out and fought even 198 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,879 a little bit in the first couple of rounds, I 199 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:40,519 truly believe he would have gotten absolutely annihilated there the 200 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,120 way he did in round number six. So, like Joshua said, 201 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,399 it took longer than it than it probably should have, 202 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,600 but in the end he scored a you know, a 203 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:53,279 clear cut, pretty crushing knockout. Yeah, when he landed the. 204 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: Right things here that we can add to this, it 205 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,559 looked like in the fifth round that Paul buckled and 206 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,240 I thought was his left leg. They said on the 207 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,480 broadcast his right leg. I thought it was his left 208 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,159 leg and maybe his left knee. And clearly he looked 209 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,600 and we saw this. I saw this in person in 210 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:14,120 the Chavez fight, the Chavez Junior fight in June. We 211 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,919 saw this also when he fought Tommy Fury that when 212 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,159 the fight got to the fifth round, the sixth round. 213 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,159 He looked tired. He looked tired in this fight in 214 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:23,759 the fourth and the fifth round. That's when a lot 215 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:26,519 of the grabbing was going on. Third fourth round, and 216 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,200 he admitted after the fight, maybe I need to do 217 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,759 more cardio because he looked exhausted almost in the fifth 218 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:34,320 and sixth round. Plus the leg buckled. How big of 219 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,080 a factor do you think that was, Dan Rayphield? 220 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he didn't mention anything about the leg 221 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,039 in the post fight. It just seemed like it was 222 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,600 a brief tweak maybe, but I don't know if it 223 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:43,600 had put it like this, I think it had less 224 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,919 of an impact on his situation then getting hit with 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,960 right hands. Put it like that, I mean, in other words, 226 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:49,919 I don't think that was a cause for the reason 227 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:51,759 that the fight ended. You know, maybe did he did 228 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:55,240 he you know, you know, tweak it a little bit. Possibly. 229 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,159 I don't think it was enough was going to cause 230 00:10:57,159 --> 00:10:58,440 it end to the fight or anything like that, or 231 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:02,360 use it as any kind of excuse, because to say 232 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,279 that's why I got stopped it just added to like 233 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,360 his mounted of issues. Put it like that, you know, 234 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,600 between the fact that Anthony Joshua was so much bigger 235 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,960 than him, was leaning out into some degree. He was 236 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,559 flopping down on the mat. He'd been hit with a 237 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,279 couple of solid jabs in the right hands. There was 238 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,919 one right hand in there. I forget what round it 239 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,720 was where he actually took it pretty damn well. I 240 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,279 actually give Jake credit for that. He took a really 241 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:23,960 good punch. This is I think at the end, around five, 242 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:24,919 he'd already been down. 243 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: He landed, by the way, Jake Paul a couple of times, 244 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,440 he landed a pretty good overhand right and never moved Joshua, 245 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,279 that's exactly right. You're finding a championship level fighter, and 246 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,440 it tells you how much harder Andy Ruiz and Alexander 247 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,960 Usik and Daniel Dubois hit in the heavyweight division because 248 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:45,840 they were able. 249 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:46,759 Speaker 2: To move him and knock him down. 250 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:49,279 Speaker 3: But that didn't knock him down. 251 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: He didn't knock him down, but he moved him. 252 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: He moved. 253 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: And he's a heavyweight. He's a true heavyweight. 254 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: On this again, we'll get to a couple of audience 255 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,960 comments in a few moments. Again, Joshua got what we expected. 256 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,559 Just a little later. By the way, I joke with you, 257 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,080 one of us had the over two and a half 258 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:08,120 had the end. I still thought like third round or 259 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,879 early fourth round, and it just seemed Joshua was content 260 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,000 to maybe make him I don't know that this didn't 261 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,840 get asked. He did make reference to it though, about 262 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:19,440 wearing him down a little bit, get him into the fight, 263 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,840 get him into the fifth round, fourth round, fifth round, 264 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,720 get him tired, and then he's an easy target or 265 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:24,799 an easy er target. 266 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,279 Speaker 3: Just basically, he basically said, you know, pin him down, 267 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:30,080 hurt him, and you know, take my time. I mean, 268 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,080 I can't tell you how many times I've heard guys 269 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,240 say after a fight, you know, I took my time, 270 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,720 which is okay, and I'm not mad about that. At 271 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,440 the end of the day. You know, he got him 272 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,360 out of there. I mean, it's embarrassing that he didn't 273 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,080 get him earlier, but I think it would have been 274 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,320 more so if he was there to actually fight again. 275 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,559 The running was overt. I mean, it was just absurd. 276 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:54,960 It wasn't just like I'm gonna move and box. This 277 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,080 was not a guy, you know, it was a stylist 278 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:59,519 and he's gonna give you lateral movement and angles. This 279 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,159 is not you know, Lomachanko moving to the side or 280 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,279 you know, somebody with those types of skills. This was 281 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,519 somebody you know, for lack of a better phrase, like 282 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,080 fleeing for his life. Like yeah, it was almost like 283 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,440 he had robbed a liquor store and was running away 284 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,759 from the cops. I mean it was very, very blatant. 285 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:17,320 And what was supposed to do. I mean, you know, 286 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,399 you know, he was winning all the rounds. I mean, 287 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,559 I haven't seen what the official scorecards were. I maybe 288 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,399 if you wanted to be super generous, because there was 289 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,840 like one or two punches landed in the first round, 290 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,320 I could maybe see you given Jake Paul round one. 291 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,440 But you know, josh whatever. 292 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:36,919 Speaker 1: The netflix of unofficial score was, gave him the fourth round, 293 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,039 gave Joshua the first three, gave Paul the fourth, and 294 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:41,879 then obviously the fifth there's two knock downs, and the 295 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:42,840 sixth there's two knock downs. 296 00:13:42,879 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: The right. 297 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,159 Speaker 3: The unofficial judge was Sean Whelock, who has been on 298 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,360 broadcast before. I've seen him plenty times. Does a good job. 299 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,200 I don't necessarily remember something specific in round four when 300 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,200 I would think it was enough to actually give him 301 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,720 the round, particularly because round four was the round where 302 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:01,639 Jake literally literally flopped five times by my account, when 303 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:03,960 he's running around like that, forget and let me just 304 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,799 talk about Joshua for a minute. As far as like 305 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,919 mentally speaking, like number one, he's coming off. People have 306 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,840 to remember the last time he was in the ring. 307 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,960 He didn't just lose a boxing match. He got fucking destroyed, 308 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,799 like obliterated, I mean devastated by doing. 309 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:23,279 Speaker 2: Questions about whether that has ended his career when. 310 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,519 Speaker 3: And then he had surgery on his elbow and he's 311 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:31,039 off for the fourteen to fifteen months. And I agree 312 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,960 it went too long, but I'm still willing to cut 313 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,960 Joshua some slack because in the end, he got the 314 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:38,240 job done in style. And it's easy for us to 315 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:40,159 not think about the last time I was in the ring, 316 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:42,919 I got pulverized. But if you're the guy that got pulvarized, 317 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,039 I guarantee you that was on his mind. I've been 318 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 covering boxing for a long time. I have talked to 319 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,720 countless fighters who've talked about, you know, the mental aspect, 320 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:53,000 the coming back from a devastating loss. It's not easy. 321 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:55,440 So I'm willing to show him some grace in that 322 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:56,320 particular sense. 323 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: Another part of this. 324 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:01,519 Speaker 1: But the audience that's nowt here with us, thank you 325 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,679 for finding us at the light button. Make sure you subscribe. 326 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,600 This is exclusively on YouTube again. The pod audience is 327 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:09,399 hearing it as a replay. We did this first in 328 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 the middle of the night Friday night, Saturday morning after 329 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,279 the Anthony Joshua ko on YouTube on the Big Fight 330 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Weekend YouTube page. Do you believe Anthony Joshua will take 331 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,200 another fight? You've been theorizing and hearing that it might 332 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,120 be in February, or will he just try to go 333 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:26,159 to Tyson Fury next. 334 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: I want your take first, and I'll weigh in. What 335 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,519 do you think does he take another fight? 336 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: He said he wanted Fury next, and I don't blame 337 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,399 it for that. But the deal that they have, to 338 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,639 my understanding with Turkey Olschk is that each guy would 339 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:40,120 get a fight sometime in the first quarter, and then 340 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:42,440 they would fight a second time, you know, in the 341 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 year against each other, probably in the fall. So I 342 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,159 think if that is what that was the sort of 343 00:15:47,159 --> 00:15:49,480 the plan ahead of time, they'll probably stick to that. 344 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:52,320 I mean sure, I mean anytime, especially when you're the 345 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,440 ages of these guys and you're you and you're basically 346 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,879 at the end of your career. Tune up fights are 347 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:01,600 never a good thing, but in that particular sense, uh, 348 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,600 it's it's even more of a of a calculated risk. 349 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,360 I guess. So I'd like to see them fight next, 350 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:08,480 but you know, obviously they want to put another pay 351 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,519 day in their pocket. And if they do take tune 352 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,120 up fights, I just hope they take like like bums, basically, 353 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,080 just like get it out of the way and let's 354 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:18,399 move on. 355 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand, and this is my take. 356 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Anthony Joshua would take a risk 357 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,320 of losing to somebody so like you said, like you said, 358 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:29,759 the fight would probably be a knockover opponent, and I 359 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:31,320 don't know that we have to see that. And in 360 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,000 Fury's case, he hasn't fought in a year and his 361 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,600 last two fights were losses. Maybe he does need the 362 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,120 tune up fight that essentially Joshua got tonight here in 363 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:41,440 mid December. 364 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: Like I said, the plan he may be calling for 365 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,399 Fury next, and I appreciate that, but I think they 366 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,440 already have a deal with Turkey that says you're getting 367 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,919 a fight each and then we're doing the fight with you, 368 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,639 with you against each other. I mean, whether we like 369 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,200 it or not, we're not the ones paying the bill. 370 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,240 If Turkey is okay with it and he's the one 371 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 paying the money, you've got to figure Joshua and Fury, 372 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,639 they'd love to get paid a lot of money to 373 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:05,880 fight a bunch of stooges before they fight each other 374 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,680 in the big one. So I'm assuming that they'll probably 375 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:15,240 have fights that are on the you know, knockover type opponents, 376 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:18,200 probably do them in Saudi Arabia, and then have the 377 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,680 big one at the end of the year. I assume 378 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,359 it would probably be geared towards because they try to 379 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,799 do a big fight when the read Season festival, which lasts, 380 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:30,559 you know, like four months when it opens, that's usually 381 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,359 like in the beginning of late September early October, so 382 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,039 I think that's when they would probably look to have 383 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:37,559 them fight each other. We'll have to wait and see, 384 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:40,640 but you know, I'm very confident that as long as 385 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,480 they don't lose, that they're gonna fight next year. 386 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:46,319 Speaker 1: Remember we didn't get the Deontay Wilder Anthony Joshua fight 387 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,359 because Wilder lost to Joseph Parker on the same card 388 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,680 with Anthony Joshua. 389 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: We might a risk. 390 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: Now, we might get Anthony, now, we might get Alexander 391 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,480 Russi against Deontay Wilder. 392 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: After all that, all right, give me some thoughts on 393 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,720 the Jake Joshua undercard again. Alicia Bombgardner wins her junior 394 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:10,519 lightweight three belt unification title defense one sided. I thought 395 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,240 the fight could have been stopped. She knocked Boden the 396 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:16,920 opponent down, or Boudoin the opponent down, the French Canadian 397 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,359 in the seventh round badly, swollen. 398 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: Eyes, puffed eyes. The fight did go the route when 399 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,319 the full twelve rounds. 400 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did fight under men's rules three minute rounds 401 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:30,960 for the women at twelve round distance, which is something 402 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,400 that bomb Garner has wanted to do, sort of like Serrano. 403 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,200 The difference with Serranos, while she's happy to do the 404 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,319 three minute rounds, her fights that have been at the 405 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,920 three minute level have just been the normal women's length, 406 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,559 which was ten rounds. I thought the undercard was pretty bad, 407 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,640 to be honest, I didn't think that mid Wine had 408 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,680 any chance to beat her. She looked timid, She looked 409 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:54,079 sort of out of it. After the first couple of rounds. 410 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:57,640 You know, Bombgarner's can be physical, but she's also got skills. 411 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,359 I did not really. I mean, the fight out better 412 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,039 later when when you know, their opponents started to get 413 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:05,839 much more tired, so she kind of had a stand 414 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,160 and fight a little bit more. But I could have 415 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,400 lived without that fight, particularly at twelve and three. Uh 416 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,000 the Anderson Silva which was a fight that preceded that 417 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,759 was two washed up MMA guys who were still trying 418 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:18,359 to give it a go in boxing. So respected them 419 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,240 for doing that. And Anderson Silva at age fifty, you know, 420 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:24,079 look pretty good against Tyron Woodley. 421 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,319 Speaker 1: Was at Woodley with an upper cut and again Woodley 422 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,200 I was in the arena in Tampa. Woodley got destroyed 423 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,440 with the big right hand by Jake Paul and Silva 424 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,200 caught him with an uppercut and wobbling hit him again 425 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,079 with another punch, and then Woodley just wasn't there. And 426 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,720 the referees right there looking at Woodley after he gave 427 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,799 him the count and was going to put the fighters together, 428 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:43,960 and he's like, no, you. 429 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: Have the vacant look. 430 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:50,279 Speaker 3: That's it. Hej wasn't him. It was the corner that 431 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:50,960 threw in the towel. 432 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, the above, all the above, but that was. 433 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: Not I mean I didn't. I mean no again, no 434 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:58,039 disrespect those guys. But Wooley's now owing three in boxing. 435 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,680 You know, two losses to Jake including I knockout. Now 436 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,279 there's loss to silviil by knockout. You know, Silva just 437 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,599 keeps doing this thing. He's, like I said, fifty years old. 438 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:08,880 I get it. From the standpoint of the marketing. You're 439 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,440 trying to draw in some folks that are you know, 440 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,720 MMA guys. They always usually, you know, whatever undercards that 441 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,480 MVP does for these types of bigger shows, they usually 442 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,920 have some sort of oddball ish kind of fight. Like 443 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,039 just not to say this oddball because at least it's 444 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,519 it's apples to apples. It's two MMA guys in a 445 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:28,440 boxing match, as opposed to we've seen MMA guys come 446 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,839 and try to box against a boxer. So at least 447 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,400 you know these guys are somewhat contemporaries. They both had 448 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119 fought Jake Paul, They're known to the Jake Paul audience. 449 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,359 But I personally, because I don't follow MMA, I really 450 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720 couldn't have cared less about that. Particular fight, but Silva, 451 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,720 you know, for a fifth year old guide they pretty wealth, 452 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,240 you ask me. And then the opening fight which turned 453 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960 out to be, you know, pretty one sided. That was 454 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,880 the twenty twenty four United States Olympian, the junior Langway. 455 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,119 Jamal Harvey who Jamal Harvey, who is the newly signed 456 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,160 to MVP. He's now two to zero. He went at 457 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,039 the distance in a sixth rounder against a very tough 458 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,920 Kevin Servantes who showed a lot of heart but really 459 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,000 didn't do anything. Lost every single round, got knocked down, 460 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:10,359 you know, midway through the first round with a nice, 461 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,160 nice combination. Harvey's the real deal. He's a really outstanding 462 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,119 looking prospect. This was not on paper going in. This 463 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,160 was not like a walkover kind of fight because his 464 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,039 opponent was five and oh with five knockouts, stilly gung 465 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,359 guy at twenty five. So not that I thought that 466 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,960 they weren't going to mismatch him or anything and he 467 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,480 was gonna lose. But that's not the kind of record 468 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:33,440 usually put a guy in in his second fight. So 469 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:36,119 Harvey's Harvey's a guy to keep an eye on. But 470 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,000 that was sort of like, you know, put him on 471 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:40,000 in the opening fight. You know, you're gonna have huge 472 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,240 exposure because of the fact that the fight is on Netflix. 473 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,359 There's probably a lot of people that saw him that 474 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,079 might have enjoyed the style and say, you know, maybe 475 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:49,000 I'm gonna try to follow this kid. So from that standpoint, 476 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:50,759 I was I was good with that. I'm glad they 477 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,559 put him on this member. This was this fight was 478 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:56,680 supposed to be Jake against Tank Davis back in November 479 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,359 Jamal Harvey. Jamal Harvey was gonna be on that card 480 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,359 in this matchup, and they moved the fight to this 481 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,759 card the same way they moved the Bomb Gardner fight, 482 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:08,920 and that's that's the same thing with Silva was supposed 483 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,680 to fight Chris Widman, another former UFC champion, So they 484 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,400 essentially moved the full show, you know, from the one 485 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:14,920 day to the. 486 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Other understood and by the way back to Bomb Gardner. 487 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,480 There are options here. Amanda Serrano is obviously fighting as 488 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,880 the featherweight champion or the end of her career as 489 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,119 an MVP fighter in Puerto Rico, headlining that she could 490 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,039 maybe move up. I'm saying that Caroline Dubois won on 491 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:31,839 the undercard here. 492 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,079 Speaker 2: She has a lightweight title. 493 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,559 Speaker 1: Bomb Gardner could move up to fight her, So there's 494 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:39,519 still some options here with other MVP fighters, including Dubois 495 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,200 being on the card on Friday Night, right, I sort of. 496 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: Doubt it's gonna be Serrano. I think Serrano right now 497 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:46,680 is sort of playing out the string. I'm not to 498 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,240 say that she'd be a scared to fight or anything 499 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,000 like that. I just I just feel like she's gonna 500 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,319 do a few other things. But Bombgarner was calling out 501 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,680 Caroline Dubois after the fight. She's like, you want to, 502 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,279 you know, come up and see me. She wants to 503 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:00,839 do a twelve round fight. Caroline probably will have some 504 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,519 say in that because if she moves up, it'll be 505 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,559 Caroline who is defending her title as opposed to going 506 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,359 to fight for bomb Garner's title. That I'm sure will 507 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,200 be a bone of contention if they do decide to 508 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,000 negotiate to fight. 509 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,279 Speaker 1: Because Caroline Das titles a WBC title right and she 510 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,119 would not be able to fight a twelve round fight 511 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:16,920 without the double. 512 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: You got to give our bel top so interesting on that. 513 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:23,279 Speaker 3: But if she wants to fight for the lightweight title, 514 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:25,359 I mean, you know, if she has to do the 515 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,480 two in the you know, two minute rounds and ten rounds. 516 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,240 That's the way it's going to be if she wants 517 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359 to fight for the belt. Now, Caroline could give up 518 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,039 the title, but to be quite honest, you know, sometimes 519 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,039 you need a title to make the fight, and in 520 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,240 this particular case, the only the reason to make duoi 521 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,319 against bomb Garner is because she's got a lightweight title. 522 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:45,680 It doesn't doesn't really seem logical to me that she 523 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,440 would give up that title just to acquiesce to bomb Garner. 524 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:51,359 There's other people she could fight, but we'll see how 525 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,720 that goes. I don't think it was ever going to 526 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,440 be the next fight. Anyway. She'll be back and they'll 527 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,839 do something else, whether she defends her title or maybe 528 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,920 she ties to move up and take a non title. 529 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,279 But I think that bomb Gardner will stick around at 530 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720 least for another fight and defend And even if she 531 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:07,640 goes up to fight Caroline or somebody else for a 532 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,720 title in the lightweight division, doesn't mean she's gonna automatically vacate. 533 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,680 She could see how she feels afterwards if she wins 534 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,920 and she loses whatever, and then return and defend her belts. 535 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,160 I mean, by all caps. As they mentioned on the broadcast, 536 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,359 she should have been undisputed, but because of the WBC's 537 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,759 situation where they won't sanction a fight for women that's 538 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160 you know, three minute rounds or a twelve run fight. 539 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 She did what Toronto did. She vacated the WBC title, 540 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:32,599 so she defended the other three. But you know she 541 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,599 is the number one fighter in that way class obviously. 542 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to a couple of other 543 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,720 comments before we are gone. The aircraft carrier says the 544 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,400 women shouldn't be doing three minute rounds moving forward, based 545 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,880 on what some would argue though that you might get 546 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,559 more action, more knockouts if somebody's a little more fatigue 547 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,079 and around, as opposed to the two minute rounds. There's 548 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,519 a counter argument you get more action in two minute rounds. 549 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:58,160 Potato potato right on that. 550 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I look, I mean, I'm I'm sort of 551 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,839 agnostic about it. I don't really care. I mean, I 552 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,839 kinda especially because some of the women's fights are not 553 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,599 at a high level compared to some of the men. 554 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,519 So in that instance, you'd rather see the two in 555 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,599 the ten because at least they'll be over quicker. But 556 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,759 in terms of like Bombguner. She can really she can 557 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:16,440 do the twelve in the and the three and she 558 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,400 is a real solid professional, So I don't necessarily mind it. 559 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,119 But I'm okay if they decide to do two minute 560 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,720 rounds and ten rounds, I'm fine with that. But just 561 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:26,599 to say they shouldn't do three minute rounds, that that, 562 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,240 I mean, that's that's UH aircraft carrier's opinion. That's fine. 563 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we love we love the Savages handles. 564 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: How about CMU pins fan says Bombguner has to finish fights. 565 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,079 She's not marketable when she can't finish things. I mean, 566 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,960 I'm an exciting fight with Michaela Mayer that she won 567 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,880 that wasn't understand. 568 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,039 Speaker 3: The concept she's not marketable because she doesn't finish fights. 569 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,720 Katie Taylor has barely any knockouts in her career. She's 570 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,400 one of the most popular boxers in the Female Shields. Right, 571 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,519 You'll sells a ton of tickets. When she's fighting at 572 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,359 Literal Little Caesars, she puts you know, ten twelve thousand 573 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,720 in the arena. She's had like three knockouts in her 574 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,240 whole career. Mikaela Mayer is not a big knockout puncher, right, 575 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,279 I mean, we can go on down the go on 576 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,200 down the list of the of the of the more 577 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,759 well known boxers. Even Amanda Serrano has scored a lot 578 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:15,680 of knockouts, but it's been a while since she's had one. 579 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,079 She's one of the best to ever do it. I 580 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,519 mean Natasha Jonas not known for her being a big puncher. 581 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,240 I mean, do I have to continue to go on? 582 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,359 So you got it? You know it is what it is? 583 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: Final thoughts from you? Anything else for tonight? 584 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua, what does get his knockout that we thought 585 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,720 he would gets over? A couple of people were asking, 586 00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,000 is Jake Paul gonna fight a legitimate fighter next or 587 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,759 are we going back to the MMA or the Over 588 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:46,200 the Hill whatever whenever he's back, what's your speculation. 589 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: He just had his jaw busted, he just got dropped 590 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,240 a bunch of times by a top heavyweight. He's gonna 591 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,720 take some time off, as he said, and we'll let 592 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:57,400 him reassess. I mean, if he decides to take another 593 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,839 unusual kind of fight. Let's say he does fight another 594 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,599 MMA fighter or another boxer that's retired and coming back, 595 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,759 or whatever the case. May be who knows, I mean, 596 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,920 but his events are his events. They they're there, They're 597 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,960 there one section of boxing. It has no bearing on 598 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,599 like the the bona Fide championship level fights. So, as 599 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,319 I've said ever since Jake Paul's whole thing started, boxing 600 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,960 is a big ten and there's room for these types 601 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,880 of events. There's room for as I said before, club fights, 602 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,359 there's room for the big time championship fights. So it's 603 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,079 not like because he's fighting these kinds of matches that 604 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,440 we don't get to see other kinds of matches. So 605 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,599 it's not impacting the quote unquote real boxing matches. We're 606 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,480 still gonna see fights like you know, Shakor Stevenson against 607 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:46,119 t Fimo Lopez. We've still seen lots of top fights. 608 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,480 We still saw any number of outstanding matchups. We're still 609 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920 gonna see the top fighters take on you know, real 610 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,839 championship level type fights. Uh. And if Jake Paul wants 611 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,200 to do his own thing on the side and fight 612 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240 these types of you know what's the word like science 613 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,640 show type masters meticals, Right, that's fine because the fans 614 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,480 turn out, they seem to enjoy it. They do big 615 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:09,680 numbers on me he. 616 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,079 Speaker 1: Has filled arenas all across the country. I think conservatively 617 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,400 Netflix will tell us in a couple of days with 618 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,039 the metrics, and it may be into the middle of 619 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,920 next week. There were probably thirty million people that either 620 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,559 watched this live or on demand. 621 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that number. 622 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,039 Speaker 1: Especially because of the UK interest and people that are 623 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,480 going to watch this morning UK time on demand on 624 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,359 Netflix that didn't see it live because the fight didn't 625 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,200 start till four point thirty in the morning ish in 626 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,680 the UK. 627 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: They also, you know, there's you know, listen, that's an audience. 628 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: That's a massive audience. 629 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:44,839 Speaker 3: It's not it's also not rocket science. The networks and 630 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,079 streaming services. They put together not just one event, but 631 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,799 they they had the big boxing event that was the 632 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880 lead up and coming on afterwards. A lot of people 633 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,039 were excited because it was the premiere of the of 634 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,960 the brand new Dave Chappelle comedy show, so that was 635 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880 gonna have an audience. So you put them together and 636 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,920 it's like, you know, a good night of people, We're 637 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,400 going to just hang out and watch our Netflix. So 638 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,640 that was the point. Make a big event, which is 639 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,680 what they did. Now you talk about how he fills arenas. 640 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000 And you know they may deny this, but I mean, 641 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,799 I know for a fact from a ticket brokers that 642 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,440 I speak to a regular to get my real, true intel, 643 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,480 I want them in the tickets. They gave away a 644 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,960 lot of tickets for this fight. They did a lot 645 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,079 of two for one deals. They were giving away blocks 646 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,799 of fifty tickets. I was told that doesn't mean there 647 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:28,279 was a lot of people that also bought tickets and 648 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:28,720 went out. 649 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,319 Speaker 1: To the But I understanding in Anaheim they may have 650 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:33,680 given some away, but a lot of that was sales. 651 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,599 And he's he has sold out previous arenas. Maybe this 652 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,920 has run its course, just one more time here where 653 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,920 the public looks at this and says, you know you've 654 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,640 been You've been fighting Mma, guys. You fought a fifty 655 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240 eight year old Mike Tyson. You fought a washed up, 656 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,559 bloated Chavez Junior. You got in there with a real 657 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:52,599 fighter and got knocked out. 658 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: We're over this. 659 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,559 Speaker 1: The market will dictate that on whether people watch and 660 00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,160 whether people want to buy tickets to it. 661 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,519 Speaker 3: My perspective, though, is like this, It's that if you 662 00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,960 don't go into a Jake Paul event thinking you're watching 663 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,799 a guy on the pound for pound list, or you're 664 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,440 watching a world championship fight. That's fine. Not every fighter 665 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,440 is gonna be able to be at that level. So 666 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,160 Jake has found an audience. I think he's done a 667 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,799 great job marketing himself. And you know, look, he tries, 668 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,000 he comes in shape, he gives a great effort. He 669 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,519 took some bombs from Joshua and actually didn't get knocked down, 670 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,240 So you know, a lot of people couldn't do that. 671 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,519 So you know, just because he didn't win the fight 672 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,920 doesn't mean it was a complete waste for him. He 673 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,079 probably proved something to himself. Look, he can go for 674 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:33,680 the rest of his life to say I may not 675 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,079 have won the fight, it may have got my ass 676 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:36,400 kicked in the end, but you know what, I went 677 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,000 six rounds with an Olympic gold medalist and a two 678 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,599 time heavyweight world champion and I've only been boxing amateur 679 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000 or pro for like five six years. I mean, there's 680 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:46,480 not a lot of people that could ever say that. 681 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,359 Speaker 2: By and by the way, nothing wrong with that. 682 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: An unbelievable job of marketing and hype to get himTo 683 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,839 the moment, because that's what got him to the moment. 684 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,119 It wasn't on in ring accomplishment that got him to 685 00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,400 the moment. It's marketing and hype that got him to 686 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,799 the moment. And Jake Paul has easily made nine figures 687 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,519 out here over the course of the last two or 688 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,680 three years with the Mike Tyson fight and now this fight. 689 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,000 So there you go, all right, final thought, we're gonna 690 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,480 get out of here. We've been here a little bit 691 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,039 in the middle of the night Friday night into Saturday morning. 692 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,319 Any other final thoughts, Well. 693 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: My final thought will be sort of what I started with. 694 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,839 It wasn't boxing's best night, far from it. But you 695 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,759 know what, thankfully it wasn't boxing's worst night because in 696 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,279 the end it was not a complete train wreck, and 697 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,079 there was you know, Jake didn't have to go to 698 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:32,480 the hospital. I'm glad about that. You know, I went 699 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,079 to the hospital for the job, but not because he 700 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,279 was like seriously seriously injured. So in the end, you know, 701 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,200 the circus moves on to the next town. 702 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: And that segues us now to an interview off of 703 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,680 the conversation in the recap mode of the Joshua will 704 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,240 win and the rest of the card in Miami that 705 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,799 was the most prominent card for the weekend. Now we 706 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,839 segue to what will happen this weekend in RIODD, Saudi 707 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,680 Arabia for the re ODD season, A Night of the 708 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,960 Samurai Boxing card Again Naoya the monster in a way, 709 00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,440 arguably the best pound for pound fighter in the sport. 710 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,839 I know the Terrence Crawford fans will argue, I know 711 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720 the Alexander Usik fans will argue, but the inn Away 712 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,799 fans are arguing the same way. Four belt champion at 713 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:19,440 one hundred and twenty two pounds. He's in the main 714 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:24,480 event fighting Alan David Picasso. Now in the co feature fight, 715 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,720 his countryman, Junto Nakatani, former bantamweight world champion, is fighting 716 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,759 Sebastian Hernandez in what is essentially a tune up fight 717 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,200 at the higher division to potentially fight in a way 718 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,279 down the road if not next. So Dan's gonna talk 719 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:45,319 now with Nakatani, and through the magic of radio and 720 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,720 editing and the effort, you're gonna hear Dan ask the 721 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,319 questions and obviously, in the context of the interview, Nakatani 722 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,799 speaks very little English at all, the interpreter would re 723 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400 ask the question in Spanish, I'm sorry in Japanese, and 724 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,079 then Nakatani would answer in Japanese, and then the interpreter 725 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,960 would answer Dan's question in English. What we've done, what 726 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,599 I've done. By editing this, you'll faintly hear Knakatani answering. 727 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: I can verify, and. 728 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,039 Speaker 1: When we put this up on the YouTube page, you'll 729 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,720 see it Nakatani's answering the questions. But it does nobody 730 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,519 any good that doesn't speak Japanese to have that. You'll 731 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:25,160 hear the interpreter Moto giving you the answers in English 732 00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:30,119 to Dan's question, give you Nakatani's answers. So now enjoy 733 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,799 this for a good seven minutes or so, Dan interviewing 734 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,680 Junto Nakatani. He did this back a few days ago 735 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,920 before Nakatani left Japan to fly to Saudi Arabia. Let's 736 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,680 get that conversation in now on the recap pot. 737 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,759 Speaker 3: But is my great pleasure to be joined from Japan, 738 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,920 Junto Nakatani, the former three division world champion now moving 739 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,359 up in wait. Junto, welcome to the show. You have 740 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880 a big fight coming up in Rie Saudi Arabia'll be 741 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,839 taken on Sebastian Hernandez will be your first fight in 742 00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,559 the junior featherweight division, so welcome and thank you. We're 743 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,759 going to get some help from the trans letter Moto, 744 00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,599 so Moto, thanks for doing your thing today. Thank you 745 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,280 are very good Motov. You could ask him about as 746 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,559 I mentioned, he is won world titles in three divisions, flyweight, junior, 747 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,320 bandam weight. He had unified titles at bandam weight. Now 748 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,320 he's vacated those bantamweight titles to move up to the 749 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960 junior featherweight division to fight this fight with Hernandez on 750 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,320 the night of the Samurai pay per view card in Riad, 751 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,559 Saudi Arabia. And I'm wondering what went into his decision 752 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,559 just to move up and wait? Was it problems with 753 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,599 the weight? Was it the fact that he just wanted 754 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,199 to go for another title in another weight class. Was 755 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,440 it the attraction of Noya in a way being in 756 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,280 that weight class. 757 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so as my weight control was getting difficult, that 758 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,039 was the one reason I moved up to the superbaton. 759 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,960 But at the same time with of course, in a 760 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,760 way is in that rank, so that's another reason I 761 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,920 move up to super bantam. 762 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 3: So of course that is part of the story of 763 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,639 what goes on with this card. In a way is 764 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,679 in the main event, Junto is in the co feature. 765 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,960 I wonder how does he stay focused on taking care 766 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,440 of business against Hernandez knowing that if he wins and 767 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,519 if in a way is the winner, that the plans 768 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,800 are to do this huge mega fight in the spring 769 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480 at the Tokyo Dome where him having the opportunity to 770 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,000 become the undisputed champion at one hundred and twenty two pounds. 771 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so soon. In my career, I always value the 772 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,079 fight in front of me. Every fight is very important 773 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:52,360 to me, and if I do my best and win 774 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,679 the fight, then I will see the next scene after 775 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,800 the war. So right now concentrating the fight. 776 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,679 Speaker 3: And so if he emerges with the victory against Hernandez, 777 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,239 is the plan is he just gonna kind of come 778 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,079 back out the ringside and relax and see what happens 779 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:18,840 in the n a a fight and then maybe face 780 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,239 off with them afterwards if he wins. 781 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 4: Also, if I have a time, I'd love to uh 782 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,280 see his fight. 783 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,039 Speaker 3: I wonder when the idea of facing in a way 784 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,320 came to him a house. At what point did it 785 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480 become a serious thing for him because they were separated 786 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,360 by some weight at different times, and so uh you 787 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,360 know when they become a big deal for him? And and 788 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,559 how closely has he followed in a way his career? 789 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 4: Okay, so what became the champion on Denton? Uh? I 790 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,880 thought the fighting against you know where it becomes uh serious, 791 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,599 the real thing to me? And after that, I've been 792 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:07,880 watching his fights, uh actually actual fights and always think 793 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,480 about him as an opponent. So you come up. 794 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 3: Do they know each other? Do they have any kind 795 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920 of relationship? No? 796 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:20,519 Speaker 4: Not really? 797 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 3: Okay. A lot of people say that he's already in 798 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,440 a way the greatest Japanese boxer of all time, and uh, 799 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,440 I wonder you know does he think that and how 800 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,159 does he see himself eventually matching up with him? Yes? 801 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 4: I know he's a great fighter, but myself I wanted 802 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,039 to be called as a great fighter as well. So 803 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:51,239 then winning against him, uh that's uh that makes me 804 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,159 greatest spiders. So that's that's kind of motivation I have, 805 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,960 uh right now? 806 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, before all of that, he's got to fight 807 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,320 Sabash and Herdandez. That's the fight that's coming up. So 808 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,639 I wonder if you could ask him, you know, what 809 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,920 does he know about him? He is undefeated, so there's 810 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,280 that he hasn't really faced a lot of opponents. Are 811 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,800 really only just one opponent I think that people might know, 812 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,440 and that's Asavinissian. So when he thinks about him, what 813 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,280 is what does this take on his opponent? 814 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:25,599 Speaker 4: Okay, so he has a strong punch, a hard punch, 815 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:31,239 and he's very tough. So that's I always considered that 816 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880 and why I'm training. 817 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,679 Speaker 3: So this fight is going to take place in Riyad, 818 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,199 Saudi Arabia. He has fought in America twice. All the 819 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:43,679 rest of the fights have been in Japan. I'm wondering 820 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,000 what is his perspective, his thoughts about going all the 821 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,280 way to Saudi Arabia to have his first fight in 822 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,880 the Middle East. 823 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 4: Personally, I like to go to fight, and this time 824 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:04,800 Saudi Arabia. I'm so excited to be there, and that's 825 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:12,519 I'm expecting to have a crowd. I want to make 826 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,920 sure to satisfy him. I want to I want to 827 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,280 fight so other people who satisfy my fights. 828 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 3: All right, I'll just wrap up with one more question 829 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,199 that we've been talking a lot about the possibility of 830 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,320 this fight against in a way, you know, as long 831 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,719 as they're the winners come December twenty seventh. It is 832 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,920 spoken by boxing fans, by people in Japan other reporters 833 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,519 that if they get together in this big fight in 834 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,159 the spring, that's going to be the biggest all Japanese 835 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,000 fight in the history of boxing. There's been a lot 836 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,559 of great champions that have come from Japan, and some 837 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,800 of them been fought each other. What is he when 838 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,039 he when he hears that, it's like a big thing, 839 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,280 Like what is his thought about? Like, Oh, my goodness, 840 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,559 I might be in maybe the biggest fight in the 841 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,440 history of my country for so much at stake, with 842 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,599 the undisputed title and undefeated records. 843 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:11,199 Speaker 4: Yes, great honor to be part of it, and so 844 00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:20,079 I'm really exciting and uh enjoining you, and of course 845 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,960 this opportunity, I have to make sure it's going to 846 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320 be on my career and step up to the next 847 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,559 That's what I feel about it. 848 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 3: All right, very good, I thank you very much for 849 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,119 your time. Jento, best of luck to you on December 850 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,119 twenty seventh against Hernandez, and if all goes well, the 851 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:41,719 world will be watching you and in a way if 852 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,000 he wins also, so thank you very much and best 853 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,840 of luck. Thank you very much, appreciate you. 854 00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,559 Speaker 1: Night of the Samurai upcoming Saturday from Riot again in 855 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,519 a way is the main event, expected to win and 856 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,280 probably win by knockout. It would be a fourth victory 857 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,360 for him this year if he gets it coming up 858 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,880 and again Junto Nakatani maybe the next fight. And thanks 859 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,760 again to everybody involved with Junto Nakatani to help that 860 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,719 interview happen. Moto the translator, we say publicly again thank 861 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,760 you to him for making it happen and we brought 862 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,199 it to you. 863 00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 2: Here on the audio pod. 864 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: Not the easiest thing in the world to get questions 865 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,280 in Japanese asked and then answered and then have it 866 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,920 be coherent on an audio podcast, but we got it done. 867 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,639 We got it done here on this edition of the show. 868 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:33,000 All right, that'll wrap it up here. Off the weekend. Everybody, 869 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,480 have a great holiday, a great Christmas. Hanik will be 870 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,599 wrapping up Christmas Eve obviously Wednesday. 871 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,159 Speaker 2: We'll have Christmas on Thursday. 872 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: Dan and I will come back with a preview show 873 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,079 for the weekend. We'll work it out, we'll figure it out. 874 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,119 You'll have it as part of this podcast feed. This 875 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,360 Big Fight weekend podcast Feed within a Way headlining one 876 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,039 of the best pound for pound fighters going for a 877 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,480 fourth win this year. Does that make him the fighter 878 00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,199 of the Year. We've been debating that. Dan doesn't believe so, 879 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,920 but the debate will continue. In any event, Anthony Joshua 880 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,039 has gotten the big win. We recap that in the 881 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,039 entire card from Miami. I hope you enjoyed all of 882 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,440 this again, Happy holiday's, Merry Christmas everybody. I'm merely TJ 883 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,199 Reeves for Big Dan Rayfield. Find his substack. Fight Freaks 884 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,280 Unite is the substack online the newsletter. Sign up for 885 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,960 it fight Freaks Unite newsletter and make sure that you 886 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,639 are following and subscribing on Apples, Spreaker, Spotify to this 887 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,199 podcast beat because you get tons of great content from 888 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,840 us on the Sweet Science. 889 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 2: We're almost done. We're twenty twenty five. We're done for 890 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,360 now again. 891 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 1: Everybody, enjoy the holiday, the winter holiday break here with 892 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,679 Christmas coming up, etc. We're back later in the week 893 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,880 to be ready for the weekend. You've been listening to 894 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,559 the Fight Freaks Unit Recap podcast