1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Juniors 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:09,119 Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. This is our second 3 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:12,359 hour on the show, and I'm particularly honored that our 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,519 resident regular contributor on issues all issues relating to education 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,399 and social justice is none other than Diallo Brooks. Gina 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,879 Diallo is here with us today. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yes, he is, Idallo. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: Doing, Gina. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,079 Speaker 1: How you doing, Jesse, Hey, Joab d'ello. I'm still here, man. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,479 It's been a hell of a week. And before we 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,359 get to some of the specifics issues that you'd like 12 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:42,399 to discuss in the next hour, we did cover a 13 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:45,640 couple of issues. You've got to be as a social 14 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:49,479 justice activist and warrior, you've got to be completely shocked 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,200 and taken aback by what transpired in Minnesota. Please share 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,240 with us your thoughts. 17 00:00:55,439 --> 00:01:01,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a shock. Unfortunately, I'm not totally surprised, 18 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:05,599 giving the trajectory we've been on with this administration and 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,120 what we've seen from Ice and what we've seen from 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,840 the weaponization of our federal law enforcement officials, and so 21 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:19,719 I think it was inevitable that incidents like this would 22 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:23,760 happen but it's it's such it's such a sad moment 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,840 in our history, and it really requires us to to 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,480 lean in in this moment and really really pay attention. 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,840 Folks can't sit on the sidelines, uh any longer when 26 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:38,560 we see this type of atrocity happen, And you know, 27 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:43,680 I fear that there won't be repercussions for the officer 28 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:46,920 that was involved and for how Ice is actually patrolling 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,319 our cities, at least in the in the short term. 30 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:54,959 Speaker 1: Gina, I am as shocked and horrified as Diallo about 31 00:01:54,959 --> 00:02:02,480 what took place in Minnesota. Obviously, we've experienced brutality from 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,400 police officers that have resulted in the deaths of black men, 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,439 black women, young people who were unarmed. But as I 34 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:12,960 shared on the show yesterday, when Bobby Kennedy picked up 35 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:18,879 a poor black child in Appalachia, I think it was 36 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,520 it may have even been in the South, the country 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,680 kind of said, well, in terms of the media, poor 38 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,439 black baby. But when he picked up a poor black child, 39 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:34,400 a poor white child in Appalachia, the country then responded 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,319 with some very images. They could not believe that white poverty. 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,879 By the way, the name of a book written by 42 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,000 William Barber the second White poverty was such a real 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,319 factor in American history, and I'm wondering, when I think 44 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,360 about the doll tests of our reaction to black and 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,560 white whether or not Robin Good's death is going to 46 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:03,080 be a term point in the federal government's engagement in 47 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,719 localities and in the States. Geene, I'm sure you've given 48 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:07,199 that something. 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: You know, not that I'm an advocate or cheerleader, so 50 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,639 I don't want to found that way, but I want 51 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,759 to point out that many times throughout history, you know, 52 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,080 to Deborah when she was overseeing Israel's battles, and you 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,319 know it was her they said that the victory Berrick, 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,759 if you don't want to come with me, is going 55 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,120 to be given into a woman's hands. You saw Maimie 56 00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:35,639 Till have to deal with her son and leave his 57 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,719 casket open in order to make a statement. You know, 58 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:45,039 you see Viola Luiso being shot. You see the park 59 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,960 in the face, and you see Rosa Parks sitting on 60 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,919 a bus, and you see Jimmy Lee Jackson cover his 61 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,039 mother who is out doing you know what she is doing. 62 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,560 And this is one point I always never get a 63 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,759 chance to mention the thing about that whole situation. When 64 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:10,039 Martin Luther King and Andrew Young went when this incident occurred, 65 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,800 it was because their wives were from there. You had 66 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:21,319 Corretta and Jean eventually Young that were both from the city. 67 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,879 And you have to imagine that these women are making 68 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:26,319 phone calls like y'all gotta come down here, here's what happened, 69 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:29,160 or somebody from there called them and said, hey, you 70 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,519 guys got to come home because this is happening. I 71 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,600 say all that because Robin Good, you see, Robin Hood, 72 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,160 who robbed from the rich to give to the Porsche, 73 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:43,079 got that name, and then she's got the name Good. 74 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,240 So many times these movements start with something that happens 75 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,839 with a woman. 76 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: Yellow. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, if you look 77 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:59,920 at the trajectory of our history, women and in particular 78 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,160 black women have been the backbone and also have propelled 79 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,839 us forward. I mean, even if you look more modernly 80 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:11,879 and you know you hate to couch it in tragedy, 81 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,120 you look at Sandra Blan or even young people just 82 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,560 you know, the tamir Rices of the world and the 83 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,879 Trayvon Martins of the world. It's women, young people the 84 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:27,560 tragedies that have happened to them, or they're organizing ability 85 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:31,399 that has propelled us forward to really push for change, 86 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:34,879 and so I think it's incumbent upon the rest of 87 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:39,120 us to also stand shoulder to shoulder with women, and 88 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:43,360 you know, in certain circumstances, follow the leadership in circumstances 89 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,199 standing the void to support really creating the change we 90 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,399 want to see in this country and in the world. 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking in this in this moment that I'm just 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,639 scared to death at Diallo's suggestion that all of the 93 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,800 series of events and the rhetoric indicates that this just 94 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,680 may be the beginning of these kinds of activities. And 95 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:17,160 I'm scared because we don't know what constitutes First Amendment 96 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:21,639 protections under these circumstances. The First Amendment is in the 97 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:24,680 Constitution of the United States, so it's a federal function. 98 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:29,120 Usually it's the federal government that's instructing local law enforcement 99 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,120 that they have to comply with the federal constitution. But 100 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:36,480 it is federal law enforcement that is not allowing people 101 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:41,120 to protest and speak freely, and they are specifically governed 102 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,240 by the Constitution of the United States. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. 103 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,120 You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,759 Talk fifteen to eighty. It is Fat Meat Fridays, the 105 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,600 creator of our show, Gina Towns Reflectivity and with our 106 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,839 leading contributor on all issues education and many many more 107 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,920 social justice activists, great man and a friend, mister d'ello Brooks. More. 108 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,439 When we come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen, I'm Jesse Jackson, 109 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:10,560 the Jesse Jackson. Before you begin our conversation, I want 110 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,920 to thank King Farley for dropping that beat right there, 111 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:19,240 that beat right there, that beat right there from from 112 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:22,959 the jack Master. Wow. Anyway, our very special guest in 113 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,439 this hour is Dallo Brooks. Diallo Brooks is an educator. 114 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:29,720 He's also a social justice activist and a regular contributor 115 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:32,199 on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Dello, welcome forward to 116 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,560 the show. 117 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jesse. 118 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,319 Speaker 1: Gina. You wanted to continue our conversation with d'allo before. 119 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: The I did, but I started talking about KB you know, 120 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,959 and that that does remind me because you know, we 121 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,680 do have fun and I think that we and it's 122 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,240 not just us, but in particular our community got to 123 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:58,680 a level a certain level of comfortability and in that comfort, 124 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:04,079 especially in the generation that was raised while President Obama 125 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:08,759 was you know, in office, you could clearly see and 126 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,600 not know what it was like to never have a 127 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:15,600 president of color and a first Lady and children that 128 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,720 looked like yourself living in the White House, giving speeches, 129 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:23,680 playing basketball, you know, I mean, like him or not. 130 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:27,360 President Obama was the epitome of Joe Cool, and so 131 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,799 to grow up in that era, I think really kind 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,480 of puts us in a position to why we may 133 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:42,440 be startled. But we talked about in the last hour, Diallo, 134 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,759 how long this has been going on. The plot, the 135 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:53,240 planned Project twenty five, you know, even by its name, 136 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:56,639 it happened in twenty twenty five, but it certainly started 137 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,279 more than twenty five years ago. 138 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely started more than twenty five years ago. There's 139 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:10,000 been a history, and I quite honestly with folks trying 140 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:14,639 to take control of systems, I think ultimately to make money, 141 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,960 to gain resources and control resources. And so I think 142 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:25,759 we're seeing that in how the ice incidents are playing out, 143 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:28,320 but also just our foreign policy and a lot of 144 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,240 things that we are involved in in the world. I 145 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,679 think what we have to do on our side is 146 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,000 be much more strategic than we have been, and it's 147 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,320 really about creating what is our vision for the future 148 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,440 look like. What does a healthy, thriving, safe community look like, right, 149 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,200 and what are the pillars of that. What are the 150 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,960 things that we need to do that we need to 151 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:53,360 create in order to make that happen. And I think 152 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:57,399 we have to defend ourselves from the tyranny that we 153 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,080 see that's happening right now, whether it be Venezuela, whether 154 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,600 it be the ice incident in Minnesota, or whether it 155 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:08,080 be other incidents that happening around the country. We also 156 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,840 have to have a proactive agenda that people that can 157 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:14,240 galvanize people, that bring people together, that give people some 158 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,559 optimism for the future, because it's often creates even more 159 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,399 apathy when we lean into the negative that we're not 160 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,440 talking about the things that the way we see the future. 161 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,000 And I think when we lean into that, we create 162 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,759 spaces that allow us to then engage people, to give 163 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:37,120 folks hope, to give ourselves hope and joy and something 164 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:40,320 to really fight for and not just fight against. And 165 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,279 I think when we posture ourselves in that way, when 166 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,519 we really are strategic about what our agenda is and 167 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,759 be clear about not using their agenda as part of 168 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:53,679 our agenda. I think the people want to see something 169 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,200 that is drastically different, not just co opting parts of it, 170 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,120 not placating their base, but really drilling down on things 171 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,759 that really matter to most folks in this country and educating, engaging, 172 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,759 and then lastly, I'll say, we have to also listen 173 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:15,759 to people, listen to where their pain points are, but 174 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:19,679 also what brings them joy to help co create what 175 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,200 that can look like for our future. 176 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: Jesse he said, where their pain points are. 177 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that he's onto 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,440 something right there. We tend to organize people historically. Segregation 179 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,080 put us in certain categories or neighborhoods geographically. 180 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: But then you know, we organize ourselves voluntarily by choosing 181 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:51,679 to move beyond laws of segregation, and we voluntarily integrate 182 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,519 into communities because the laws now allow us to move 183 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:59,240 and live in all neighborhoods in the United States except 184 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:05,759 for restrictive covenants. And then we Doctor King would argue 185 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:11,799 that we needed a spiritual integration, which is a care neighbor, 186 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,919 a care for community, regardless of a person's race, sex, 187 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,960 or class, and he used the story of the Samaritan 188 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:23,440 to make the case for what that really really represents 189 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,360 and what that really what that really means. But I'm 190 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,399 thinking in this moment, Diallo, that there's going to be 191 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,159 a comfort that people feel naturally in a kind of 192 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:44,559 tribalism because of the fear of the world that doctor 193 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,159 King envision the world that we've been trying to build. 194 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Uh and it is reinforced by the absence of well 195 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,039 funded schools where, for example, if I worked in Silicon 196 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:01,799 Valley and my job Operate Tunity was in Silicon Valley, 197 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,840 some of the largest corporations in the world pay local 198 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,799 taxes and therefore students go to public schools that are 199 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,240 extremely well funded. But then Diallo, as an American who 200 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,360 does not live in Silicon Valley by happenstance of my 201 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,000 birth or zip code I live in on the South 202 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,320 side of Chicago, I live in Harlem, or I live 203 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,600 in Compton, Los Angeles, or I live in Crenshaw neighborhoods, 204 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:32,200 And there is no Apple, there is no Microsoft, there 205 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:36,519 is no Amazon, there is no no one's paying local 206 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,080 property taxes that make public education commensurate with what children 207 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:44,600 are receiving where these corporate headquarters are. There is a 208 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:49,960 kind of forced segregation that the economic system itself creates 209 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:55,639 by where corporations and businesses choose to locate. And I 210 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,440 don't know the answer completely to that, other than these 211 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,639 companies have to spread the wealth by building in our 212 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:13,320 communities data mining entities. They have to build factories as 213 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:19,399 well as equipment and packaging handling facilities that can pay 214 00:14:19,679 --> 00:14:24,080 local property taxes to help offset the burden that people 215 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,600 who are living in ghettos, in neighborhoods and communities that 216 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:30,679 are failing. I don't have the answer. I'm sixty years old, 217 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:33,600 I've got more Yesterday's than tomorrow. I probably won't live 218 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,000 to be one hundred and twenty. So it puts me 219 00:14:36,039 --> 00:14:39,799 in a battle personally with entities that choose to locate 220 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,279 in some areas but don't choose to locate in ours. 221 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,360 And then you know, our children grow up in those 222 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,360 environments and they are tough yellow. 223 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:51,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're tough environments. And I think there's a larger 224 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:54,120 conversation that we have to have too. I mean, we 225 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,799 understand that in America we live in this quote unquote 226 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:03,600 capitalistic success. We I think as a society are going 227 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:06,559 to have to make some decisions about what parts of 228 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,919 that work for us and what parts of that don't 229 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,200 work for us. Because even as you mentioned the tax base, 230 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:17,799 where resources come from, how corporations pay their fair share 231 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,080 to make sure that this country is healthy and whole, 232 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,120 their interests and corporate interests are around making money. That's 233 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:29,039 the only thing that corporations care about. And it is 234 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,759 up to us as citizens, as people, as voters, as 235 00:15:34,039 --> 00:15:38,639 those that elect, folks that sit in public policy positions, 236 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:43,399 to hold those corporations accountable to the collective welfare and 237 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,840 well being of the citizens of this country, the people 238 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:49,639 that live on the soil of this country. And so 239 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,360 it requires us to kind of reimagine what our future 240 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,639 could look like, and what that means is making some 241 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,639 difficult decisions in certain circumstances. Even when you MENTIONEDDATA centers, 242 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,879 that's great, but also there's harm that's come from those 243 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,600 like look what's happened in Memphis. Look, you know, folks 244 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:12,039 in Prince George's county near me out of DC, they're 245 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,720 fighting against it because they're sucking up the water, they're 246 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,399 sucking up the power grid, or they're polluting the water. 247 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:22,799 So we want corporations to be responsible partners. So they 248 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,480 come in and bring their businesses into places that are 249 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,879 close to us. At the same time, they have a 250 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:34,279 responsibility to support the health and wellbeing of those communities 251 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,639 as well. It is a collective responsibility and not just 252 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:42,159 about them making money. They can make money and support 253 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:46,039 creating healthy, thriving environments for all of us. 254 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,399 Speaker 2: And so for all of you do gooders who think 255 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:55,559 corporate responsibility is a thing you see the dismantling, you know, 256 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:59,200 some of the first steps that they took was to 257 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,320 get rid of diversity, equity, inclusion, and in many I 258 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:07,400 have friends in Los Angeles, Atlanta, d C. You know, 259 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,680 and I have been one of those people who were 260 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,880 in roles that guided the consciousness of a corporation. And 261 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,359 in fact, many of us, you know, are in government 262 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,319 and community affairs to try to make sure that there's 263 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,720 a balance between community and what the corporation is doing 264 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,480 as it makes money. But that's uh you know, that 265 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:36,519 has dwindled. Roles have dwindled, the care of the responsibility 266 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,599 has dwindled, but all and all but disappeared. And so 267 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,960 how do we manage and especially you have an administration 268 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,000 who has called all these corporations to the table to say, hey, 269 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,039 it's you know, free wily time. You don't have to 270 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,039 do this anymore. You don't have to do that. So 271 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,119 now we have to rely on the consciousness of people 272 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,759 who may not be prone to that sort of thinking 273 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,920 outside the money. And so we find ourselves, you know, 274 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:07,079 even in a place where they're not as concerned about 275 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,440 having people on the job with the advent of AI. 276 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,759 So you know, what, what is it that we really 277 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,559 suggest that they do? 278 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: We do? 279 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,559 Speaker 3: I mean, basically, we have to hold them accountable. They 280 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,559 you know, corporations are chartered and existed in exist based on us, right. 281 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,519 They just can't pop out of nowhere and exist and 282 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,519 do business. We charter it. We charter them. They charter 283 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:36,839 within the state that they're located in, and it is 284 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,599 our responsibility to set the rules of engagement, the rules 285 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:45,799 of play. We control. We have power that we don't utilize. 286 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,160 And what it takes is organization. It takes education, it 287 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,319 takes understanding, and it takes a will power to push 288 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,119 against these entities and create the spaces that we want 289 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,640 to see. We have to lean in. There's no easy 290 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,359 way about it. And Jesse, I will say this really quickly. 291 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,279 Your father did that work when I worked at. One 292 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,440 of the things that drew me when I interned and 293 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,599 then worked at the Rainbow Coalition, way way way back 294 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,279 in the day, is that he met with Coca Cola, 295 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,880 He met with all of these corporate entities requiring him. 296 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,000 He was talking about DEI back then, like we need 297 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,799 more folks of black folks, We need more investment in 298 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:30,680 our communities, we need more jobs on the ground. He 299 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,920 was doing that work. We need to pick that work 300 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:38,920 back up, that mantle up and lean in and hold 301 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,039 folks accountable. We can't be scared. We can't sit on 302 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,720 the sidelines and fold our hands as if we can't 303 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,279 do anything. Sometimes it takes a lot of skin in 304 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,000 the game to make it happen. But those that come 305 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,839 before us put their skin, put their lives in jeopardy 306 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,079 to try to make this world a better place. 307 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: I am up particularly grateful that our very special guest 308 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:03,839 in this hour is none other than Dallo Brooks. Yellow 309 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,359 Brooks is one of our most capable contributors on all 310 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,480 education issues, but social justice issues as well. We have 311 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:14,119 about three minutes before we come forward before our hard 312 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,119 stop at the thirty. I'd like to hear your thoughts 313 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,039 about American interventionism in the Western hemisphere. 314 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:25,279 Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous. I think it's a white supremacist tactic. 315 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,680 I really feel like that, you know, our intervention and 316 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:36,200 the ways that we intervene not about humanitarian is not 317 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:39,359 around justice. This is not about, you know, making this 318 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:45,319 world safer. It's about exploiting resources and the corporate kind 319 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:47,359 of you know, you look at the oil or the 320 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,880 mineral folks looking for ways to make money, and so 321 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,720 they intervene in places that sometimes a little sketchy for 322 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:58,400 other reasons and using that as a as an opportunity 323 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,680 to go in to to do a land grab or 324 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:04,160 resource grap and I think it's problematic and it's going 325 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,799 to cause us problems into the future. 326 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:08,559 Speaker 1: I think that's right, Gina. 327 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,519 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I I you know what, I I'll be honest. 328 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:16,039 I wanted to set you up so that you can 329 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:18,839 tell us that there is hope, because sometimes, you know, 330 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,839 when you feel all of this coming at you, young 331 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:27,160 black men, young Hispanic men, you know, poor people or 332 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,559 people who have less or don't have a college education, 333 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,039 can sometimes feel the weight of what's going on and 334 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,279 be so dejected and so depressed and not really even 335 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,000 try or engage in the process. So thank you, you know, 336 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,640 for that early word of hope. 337 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: Dialla Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA 338 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,359 Talk of fifteen eighty. Our very special guest in this 339 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,079 hour is none other than Diallo Brooks on the J 340 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,839 Lunch Club. Our creator is hosting Fat Meet Fridays today 341 00:21:57,839 --> 00:21:59,799 and she's doing a great job. Particularly grateful for that. 342 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,599 Grateful for the show here on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. 343 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,640 More when we come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty, 344 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,119 I'm Jesse Jackson Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse 345 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,640 Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. Our 346 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,319 very special guest is none other than Diallo Brooks on 347 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:19,640 the J Lunch Club. Doctor Brother Brooks is our resident 348 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:22,920 expert and a regular contributor on all issues relating to 349 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,920 education and many social justice issues to which he has 350 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,920 engaged in. Y'all will share with us any thoughts that 351 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,039 you might have on some of the concerns that are 352 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:35,759 on the horizon that we should be shifting our attention to, well. 353 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,039 Speaker 3: I think some of the things that we need to 354 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,200 be shifting our attention to how our federal government is 355 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,480 moving resources to our states and how they're kind of 356 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,920 cherry picking which states they will move resources to and 357 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:55,039 using the federal government as a hammer those that don't 358 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:58,359 comply with them not moving the resources that those places need, 359 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,200 particularly like an education and other areas that are critical 360 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,319 the states. So we need to be paying attention to that. 361 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:09,160 And also as we begin this year, we really should 362 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,960 be thinking about how we dig deeper into our civic 363 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,839 engagement and really prepare ourselves for upcoming mid term elections, 364 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,480 both on the local level, the state level, and the 365 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,480 federal level. We have to make sure that we're touching 366 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:26,480 all of those different branches of government, because as these 367 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:31,200 elections become real, we need to make sure that we're 368 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,119 doing the really early front end engagement of communities of 369 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,279 giving them the information that they need, organizing, making sure 370 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,359 that we're connecting and doing that kind of groundwork Jesse, 371 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,079 that you know we've done in the past, where we've 372 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,880 really gone into communities, really talked to folks, really elevated 373 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,920 the issues of concern and making sure that the candidates 374 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,279 that are more closely aligned with our values are hearing 375 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,880 that and also are articulating a plan to engage around 376 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,920 that so we can have a really robust turnout against 377 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,319 whatever obstacles that may be put up in front of us. 378 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:09,720 And so those are two of the things that I 379 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,240 think we really need to lean into, really need to 380 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,839 pay attention to, and really need to organize around going forward. 381 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:22,559 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not particularly concerned about states where democratic 382 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:27,519 governors rely largely upon African Americans, Hispanics, women the Rainbow Coalition, 383 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,880 if you will, to get elected, because they tend to 384 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,240 cater to their bases within those states. Each of these 385 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,920 states that the president and the federal government is now 386 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,200 using this hammer approach and directing resources to their supporters 387 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:48,079 have long established patterns of discrimination against African Americans. They 388 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,519 still find themselves and Hispanics on a side of town 389 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,640 with confronting various disparities at every level of their existence. 390 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:04,640 I don't see how state by state that remedies the 391 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,759 problem of inequality, but only exacerbates it. I'm sure you 392 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,160 see what I see on that question that states rights 393 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,279 doallo without a federal enforcement mechanism to ensure that the 394 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,599 states themselves are complying with all men are created equal 395 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,880 and standards of equality and fairness, recognizing that on one 396 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,440 side of town there may be a silicon valley, but 397 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:31,400 on the other side of town there is a perpetual 398 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,920 ghetto that communities are locked in. 399 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: Ye. Yeah, So I think the way I like to 400 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,359 approach that is that we have to organize on multiple fronts. 401 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,319 We can't be singularly focused in our organizing efforts. And 402 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:52,240 what I mean by that all politics are local. Local 403 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,119 is what touches folks first. So we need to organize there, 404 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,799 but we need to connect the dots between all of 405 00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,559 this systems are in place and why they're so important. 406 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,480 It's really around kind of this civic education piece that 407 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:08,119 I tend to talk about a lot in a lot 408 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,319 of spaces, is that we have to understand what the 409 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,160 federal government's role is right, and we have to hold 410 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,160 the federal government accountable to that role. The civil rights enforcements, 411 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,319 the enforcements to break down the barriers that exists all 412 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,039 over the country. We also have to do the same 413 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,200 thing on the state level. We have to make sure 414 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,640 that those elected officials on the state level, no matter 415 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,319 what states we're in, are being held accountable and feel 416 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:40,519 the pressure from communities about equity and justice in those places. 417 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,680 And then locally we need to do the same. And 418 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,960 so it's about a collective elevation of those voices, a 419 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:50,759 collective education of our community, and also supporting and uplifting 420 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:55,319 the voices of our community to articulate across all functions, 421 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,720 all levels of government, the change that we want to see. 422 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,319 And it's a push, it's a battle, it's an ongoing 423 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,119 I mean, your father used to always say politics and 424 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,880 big P and little P. Politics is a contact sport. 425 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359 We have to put our shoulder pads and helmets on 426 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,519 and get in the game and do what's necessary to 427 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,519 create the chain. We need to elect the folks that 428 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,920 have bold visions, that are willing to fight, that know 429 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,440 how to fight, and we need to hold them accountable 430 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,680 but also support them in that fight as well. 431 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: One of the great challenges Diallo, and I know you 432 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,799 know this better than most having been a representative at 433 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,079 the SHOT organization at the Department of Education, is that 434 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,000 the Trump administration is going through each of these cabinet 435 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:44,640 level positions and eliminating the Civil Rights Division or code Enforcement. 436 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,079 And when my father did say that, we've always had 437 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,720 the ability to go to the Civil Rights Division of 438 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,680 the Justice Department, or the Civil Rights Division of the 439 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,960 Education Department, or the Civil Rights Division of Health and 440 00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:02,960 Human Services and with out the infinite resources to enforce 441 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,880 these local problems from the federal government, which each of 442 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,680 us in our local communities do not have. I mean, 443 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,559 the government of the United States has resources to prosecute everybody, 444 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,640 but in a real sense, without that wind beneath our wings, 445 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,519 we're asking local people to go to court. We're asking 446 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,680 local pastors and others to raise their resources and literally 447 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160 fight against the very government that once stood on our 448 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,880 side representing our interests, challenging these discriminatory practices. 449 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,039 Speaker 3: And Jesse, this is not new, it's just recent. Right, 450 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,640 We've had a history for a long time because of 451 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,319 the gains of the civil rights movement that allow us 452 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,759 even across administrations to even have those conversations. You could 453 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,279 have a Republican administration or Democrat administration, but you still 454 00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:58,119 had those tools in place, some more effective than others, 455 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,599 but they were there. Dismantling that. That is just the 456 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440 reality of what's happening. Those things don't exist. And when 457 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,680 I was at the Department of Education, I worked the 458 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,079 White House Black Initiative. It's a longer name, but the 459 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:18,200 White House Black Initiative held meeting with community leaders, with 460 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:20,759 folks that they worked with and they were housing in 461 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:25,079 Department of Education to really prepare folks for the fact 462 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:30,799 that this administration, the next administration, would dismantle these protections 463 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,960 that we have. And it's incumbent upon other structures in 464 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,759 our community, whether it be civil rights organizations, whether it 465 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:43,960 be philanthropic organizations, whether it be law firms willing to 466 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,359 add pro bono time to do the work, to fill 467 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200 in the gap, to put the pressure on to create 468 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,880 the change we want to see. It's not easy, it's daunting, 469 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,799 it's hard. But if you look at our history as 470 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:04,160 a nation, we've done before. We fought tough fights. Before 471 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,119 we can engage in tough fights. It requires us to 472 00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,279 collectively push that boulder up the hill to not one person, 473 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480 not Jesse Jackson Junior by himself, not Gina by herself, 474 00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:20,559 not Diallo by himself, but us collectively putting our hands 475 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,279 on that boulder and pushing it over the top of 476 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,519 the Hill to create the change we want to see. 477 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,720 We can do it. It requires us that helmet and 478 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,960 that shoulder path to be put on to get in 479 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,720 the game and fight. 480 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,319 Speaker 1: Gina. 481 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: So in civic strategies of which you are the president, 482 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960 tell us about some of the things do y'allow that 483 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,640 you are recommending in the places where you are actually 484 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,599 involved and can point people to, you know, on the 485 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:55,279 West coast, on the East coast, the South, where we 486 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:56,400 can get engaged. 487 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:01,079 Speaker 3: Well. One of the things that I'm involved and I 488 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,359 am on the board of the National Coalition on Black 489 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,640 Civic Participation. They are organization that has worked for a 490 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,960 very long time across civil rights, across the Divine Nine 491 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,759 organizations and others bringing folks together, labor and others together 492 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,519 to really civically activate across the country. They have chapters 493 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,920 all over the country and they have a unity campaign 494 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,160 that has been ongoing before even this year, before this election, 495 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,559 that they bring coalition members together to really strategize, share information, 496 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,279 and do the work necessary to push back. And so 497 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,519 that's a place that I would really direct folks because 498 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,480 they're on the ground, but they're also connected to everybody. NAACP, 499 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,400 Urbanly Labor others like I mentioned the Divine Nine organizations 500 00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,079 and trying to really push back against what's happening, but 501 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,519 also organize on the ground come forward. 502 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: On the j Lunch Club on Fat Meat Fridays with 503 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,559 our co host Gina Towns and our very special guest, 504 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,480 Diallo Brooks, who is also a regular contributor on our program. 505 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,279 I want to I want Dlla to share with us 506 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:14,640 how we can support his work. And we have a 507 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680 few more remaining questions before Diallo's word of hope. I'm 508 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200 Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show 509 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,599 on k BLA Talk fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior 510 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720 listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k BLA 511 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,839 Talk fifteen eighty. We've had an amazing hour on Fat 512 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,160 Meat Fridays with our creator Gina Towns and with our 513 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,039 very special contributor and guest, mister Diallo Brooks. Particularly grateful 514 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,559 that you're sharing this afternoon with us. Gina had a 515 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 very interesting question that we'd like to pose to you, 516 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,359 and she shared it with me during the break, but 517 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,599 I'm going to let her present it. 518 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,599 Speaker 2: Gina, So Dialla, we all have children who may be 519 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,559 in their early twenties, young adults, and like you, you 520 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,000 probably have some some kids that are a little bit younger. 521 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,839 And I often ask my millennial friends, what are you 522 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,400 telling your elementary or grade school students, junior high school 523 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,599 students about what's going on right now, how to navigate 524 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640 it and who they need to become. 525 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. And my kids ran from 526 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,359 nineteen to twenty four, soon to be twenty five, and 527 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,480 we often have always had conversations about the world that 528 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:34,519 we live in. I think one of the things that 529 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,000 I've always encouraged parents to do is to be real 530 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400 about the world that your children live in, because they 531 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240 have to function in it, right. And there's no better 532 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,599 environment for young people to see the world than through 533 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,160 their parents and through their own home environments, right, And 534 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,279 so I think it's a safe place to have healthy conversations, 535 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,160 to have support and hope from navigating because I think 536 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,359 eventually young people will hear about and see what's happening 537 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,679 in the world. And I think we always have to 538 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,039 lean into the hope of the future that you know, 539 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,280 there's always cycles of trial and tribulation in our world, 540 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,280 and I think you know, depending on what your faith 541 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,440 background is. We understand that trial and tribulation is a 542 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,760 part of the human experience about how we come out 543 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,159 of those trials and tribulations, how we band together, how 544 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,840 we support each other, how we learn and grow, but 545 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,239 also how we lean into the joy that is around 546 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,519 us as well. So often this environment is full of 547 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,360 negative energy, of negative takes and negative you know, context 548 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,360 around things that are happening, and we don't take the 549 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,960 time to lean into the joy that exists. Because there 550 00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:59,159 is joy that exists. There are friendships, there are family members. 551 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,360 There things that was on the show a few weeks ago, 552 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,719 before the holiday, before the break, before the New year, 553 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,000 when there was a community bookstore. Those things, to me 554 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:14,599 are the bright spots, places where people can gather. And 555 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,159 you know, even in this moment, Gina, when we see 556 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,079 the tragedy of Minnesota, the tragedy in Minnesota is also 557 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:24,840 coupled with the hope as well, because there were people there. 558 00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,039 It didn't happen in the dark. There were folks pushing back, 559 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,920 there were people protesting. There were people that are calling 560 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,960 on their cell phone saying, hey, Ice is about to 561 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,119 come in the community. So for people are trying to 562 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,760 protect each other, protect their neighbors in their communities. We 563 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,960 have to uplift that. We have to lift those moments 564 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,320 for young people to know that it is our responsibility. 565 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,719 It's about you know, I come out of the you 566 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,039 know Kwanza tradition, you know ujima where you're talking about 567 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,079 collective work and responsibility. It is our collectiveness uh in eumosia, 568 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,440 about unity, about us coming together. If we lean into 569 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,719 those things, I think the future UH can can move 570 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,519 in the right direction. 571 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: Can I respond to that, Jesse, you know, thank you 572 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,239 for that. I think that that direction with some purpose 573 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,639 is really what people need to hear. And we almost 574 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,480 have to say it affirmingly, repeatedly, because we forget when 575 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,159 we get bogged down and distracted by all the things 576 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,440 that are going on. But I find it remarkable that 577 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,559 that God puts us in a place for those who 578 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,360 believe the universe, whatever it is that you subscribe to, 579 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,920 that the world really does not have any new faces 580 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,159 or schemes. It is that in every generation we have 581 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,199 to have something that reminds us, prods us, and pushes 582 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,039 us back, almost like a shepherd with with a staff 583 00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:59,599 that has to you know, almost beat us back into 584 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,960 don't go over that cliff. Now, let's get back in 585 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:06,360 line and remember who we are, whose we are, and 586 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,400 how we ought to be. 587 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: For sure, I couldn't I couldn't agree more. And that's 588 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,559 a wonderful a wonderful thought leading into the weekend. And 589 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,840 to continue a similar thought heading into the weekend, Yellow, 590 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000 you haven't extended word of hope for us tonight? 591 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, my hope ought today My grandson is just turned 592 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,440 uh grandson grandson. Yes, I have a grandson just turned 593 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:43,679 two years old today. Wow, Yes I am a grandfather. 594 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,960 I'm scared I don't have grandchildren yet. But oh and 595 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,719 I'm older than the yellow. Wow, it'll come coming when guy, 596 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,159 when God calls that. But yeah, I mean I lean 597 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,079 into that. And and it goes back to what I 598 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,480 was saying before, Gina, about the celebrate, the celebration of life, 599 00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:06,079 the celebration of new opportunities that present itself as this 600 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,800 year turned, you know, as twenty twenty five ended in 601 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,440 twenty twenty six began, It is a new opportunity for us. 602 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,360 It is a new opportunity to love our neighbors, to 603 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,599 celebrate with our neighbors, to support our neighbors, to lock 604 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,559 arms with our neighbors and our friends and our family 605 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,840 members and make sure that we're stepping into this world 606 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,400 and we're presenting our opposition as an opposition. Of love 607 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,960 is that we love humanity, We love the ability for 608 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:39,559 us to be free, and we will lean into that love, 609 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,360 and that love will then push us toward the successes 610 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880 that we need. It's going to be hard sometimes, but 611 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960 that's okay. Kids fall down and skin their knees because 612 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,840 they're learning how to walk. But it's okay. You let 613 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,599 them learn how to walk, and we will go through 614 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,639 this day, but we will also emerge on the other side. 615 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:01,360 I believe even that, and that's why I wake up 616 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,079 every single morning and do the work that I did. 617 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting that you say that and you 618 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,880 hold that out is hope, because I think the other 619 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,599 thing is how you want to be remembered in history. 620 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,599 Each of us has an opportunity when you get up 621 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,199 every day to make that difference, and some people get 622 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,119 chronicled in it. You know, some people are chronicled in 623 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,840 it two thousand years ago, one hundred years ago, and 624 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,880 sixty years ago. So thank you for that little bit 625 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,360 of admonishment to stay focused and that encouragement as well. 626 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: Dalla, my pleasure particularly honored that Diallo Brooks joins us 627 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,159 once again on the Jesse Jackson Junior show cable that 628 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,239 KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. We've had an amazing fat 629 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,280 meet Friday with Bishop Tulton and now Diallo Brooks, and 630 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,360 now we're heading into our weekend. Gina, what are you 631 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,000 doing this weekend? 632 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I'm happy helping some campaign 633 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,480 go forward towards some term elections that we're going to 634 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:02,800 need to probably fight to have. 635 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,079 Speaker 1: Jiallo, what are you doing this weekend? 636 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 3: This weekend is a recharge weekend. I'll hopefully get to 637 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,239 see my grandson, spend a little bit of time with him, 638 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,119 and if the weather breaks, I might try to get 639 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:17,119 outside and get on my bike to just kind of 640 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,519 clear my head and refresh before the next week. 641 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: Wouldn't be wrong. I want to stick my head in 642 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,880 a bucket of cold water some days and just just 643 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,000 chill and anyway. I want to let everyone know that 644 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,440 I want them to be safe this holiday weekend. Stay 645 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,400 out of the way of law enforcement to the extent 646 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,119 that we can respectfully protest, raise our voices. Continue to 647 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,480 fight the good fight, but do not come close to 648 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,800 these officers. Stay away from them. They have been weaponized 649 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,360 and they mean business. And I shared it with that 650 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,920 with our listeners in Los Angeles when the National Guard 651 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,519 was first sent to Los Angeles. Buy them some coffee, 652 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,000 I am some donuts. They're just people trying to do 653 00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,320 their job. But right now they are charged by an 654 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,199 administration that is without spirit, that is about moral core, 655 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,960 that is without love for humanity or love for people. 656 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,159 There's a moral depravity here that we have not seen 657 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,039 as Americans in the highest office in the land. And 658 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,679 because of that moral depravity, we must take the necessary precautions. 659 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,920 Remember this, we all go home at night. No matter 660 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,880 what confrontation, what fights we have, what disagreements we have, Tonight, 661 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,199 we all go home. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to 662 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,679 Jesse Jackson Junior show on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. 663 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,599 Look forward to seeing everyone next week. Until then, we're 664 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:34,239 out peace