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Speaker 1: Fellasiko's I Am dan fa Valley coming at you with

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Speaker 1: These episodes will be live for all thirty teams pretty

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much by the start of February before the trade deadline,

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So go check those out, bounce around if you haven't listened,

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watched all of them already.

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Speaker 2: Mort Before we talk Clippers, how the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Doing well? Sir? Doing well? Slightly under the weather because

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it's January, and January has nine hundred and forty six

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days in it, so it's almost impossible not to get

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hit a little bit. But outside of that, the trade

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headlining's coming up. Dam It's that's the nice and cozy feeling.

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I always loved the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Last year's trade deadline was kind of a bummer, though

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we had the Luka Dontrich bombshell beforehand, and then nothing

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just massive really happened after that.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna manifest and say and say, what what's that?

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Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 3: Because come on, there were a lot of changes going

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on last year. I didn't mind that less.

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Speaker 1: Your's trade deadline had like a like a flurry of

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just mine, unless I'm misremembering, like who is the at

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the deadline?

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Speaker 2: Not the Luca don trade?

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Speaker 3: All right, Yes, that's because I'm including Luca and I'm

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including like that. There were more though, right am I?

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Or am I? Did I just skip a year ahead

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in my head? Was it the year before where practically

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the whole damn league changed actresses? I felt as though

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there were a lot of moving parts last year.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was, so I did I'm trying to

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remember was I do live grades at bleacher Report every year,

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and I think that twenty twenty five was like the

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most manageable it ever was. So Jimmy Butler twenty four,

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Jimmy Butler was around the trade deadline, he went to

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the Dubs, right or is that no? No, that was

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even earlier, so that didn't even happen around the trade deadline.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was busy. Let me just put it

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that I thought I was. I thought I was writing

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all the time because I was doing trade grades too,

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and like for some reason I have was stuck in

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my head that last year was like a rock concert.

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Speaker 2: Am I misremember?

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Speaker 3: I am? I am?

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Speaker 1: I'm misremembering anything. Let's look so I'm going through my

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grades right now. Butler to the Golden State Warriors was

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on there. I don't remember the exact date of when

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that happened. Let's look that up, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, that happened February than talking about the clips though,

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this is this should be the pond that.

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Speaker 1: Oh February fifth, Okay, that was That's a pretty big

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name to get moved. I stand corrected there and brandon

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Mark Mark Williams to the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, DeAndre Hunter, come on, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I was actually I love that for the Yes Caves

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at the time. So let's let's talk Clippers though. We'll

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begin with their trade deadline vitals. And their trade deadline

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vitals are suddenly pertinent because the Clippers apparently are good again.

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Speaker 3: Who knew?

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Speaker 1: They're six point nine million dollars into the tax. They

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could have fifty million plus in cap space this summer,

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but they can have over one hundred and forty million

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dollars in cap space in twenty twenty seven. They can

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trade up to two first right now in twenty thirty

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and twenty thirty two. They also have their seconds in

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twenty thirty one and twenty thirty two. They have a

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couple of notable trade exceptions from PJ. Tucker six and

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a half million that expires on February third. Then they

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have four point two million from Bones Highland that expires

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February sixth, twenty twenty six. I want to start here

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very quickly. More, do you think because they're just at

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a number, there's like eight teams or so that are

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within seven and a half million dollars of ducking the tax,

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do you think that's something they will try to do,

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or because they profile is just being flexible the next

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two years, that's not going to be as big a

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priority for them as it might be for let's say

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the Celtics as an example.

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Speaker 3: I think that depends on the offers that are going

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to come in this year, so they could have something

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interesting up their sleeve by dankling Don Bugdanovic with the

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draft picks right like as salary matching, as a salary

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matching component, because Bogdanovich in and off itself is not

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necessarily someone seems will be actively trading for. He's on

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a team option next year, so effectively on restricted creation

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because you can just decline that option pretty easily. So

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although you only have one point one million to add

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to your your books because otherwise you get over the

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first apron and then you can't take another dollar back,

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So it would have to be within that framework financially.

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they're gonna do it, and I think they're gonna say

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screw the luxury tax because if it makes us better,

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it makes us better. They've been playing awesome basketball of late. Now,

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it and nothing is really coming up for him and

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then yeah, why shouldn't they look at ways to get

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under the tax? But I mean it's still it's seven million.

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That's not peanuts. Like if there were like one point

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two million over that's a little easier to clear seven million.

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that's tough.

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Speaker 1: To do, or you need to have a player that

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you're willing to give up who just clears that bar

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to where it's Would you just trade Garret J Junior

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into a trade someone's traded player exception, And that's like

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with the knee injury, that's the I don't know what

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type of value that would have. So I don't think

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it's gonna be a huge priority just because of who

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owns them. I did want to ask, though, how important

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is their twenty twenty six cap space if you're them

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looking at so if I have to take on money

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that runs through next year, that's not gonna phaze me as.

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Speaker 3: The Clippers right right, because next year you're on the hook,

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presumably for at least ninety two million on Kawhi James

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Harden alone, Soupbac is adding roughly another twenty Derek Jones

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depending on whether to keep him or not. That's another

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ten point ten and a half million. Like you can

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get off the book Don Bogdanovic contract, the Brook Lopez contract,

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the Nicolas Patum contract. That's all fine and well, but

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at the end of the day, it's not going to material.

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funds in free agency. So, like you, I think the

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year to circle is twenty twenty seven, which leads me.

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Speaker 1: To this question, how aggressive should they be? And this

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is had we had this conversation some time in December,

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the answer would have been very different. But since December twentieth,

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which is when their run began, they're sixteen and three

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as we're recording this the second best offense in the league,

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the sixth best defense, second highest net rating.

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Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 1: If this was just if this is the only season

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part of the season that has been played, he would

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probably win MVP because of just what's going on with

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the Thunder and Shae Nikole Yokich is out. He's been

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when he's played absolutely insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at.

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Speaker 1: What they've also gotten out of John Collins playing better

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of course, yeah, for sure, but having guys like Jordan

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Miller Kobe Sanders like competing for you, not just competing

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for you or giving you minutes. Look, Kobe Sanders, the

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Clippers are out scoring opponents by eight point nine points

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per one hundred posessions when he plays without James Harden

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and Kawhi Leonard. During those minutes, Kobe Sanders is shooting

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forty seven percent on threes and fifty five percent on twos,

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and a lot of his looks are just from inside

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the arc. They're coming unassisted anyway, So he's not like

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I think two thirds of his looks inside the arc

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during these minutes are going unassisted. These are not just

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fly by night like coasting by minutes. There might actually

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be something here. And so this is all to say,

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I don't want to the caveat of well, will Kawhi

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Leonard be healthy? I think that matters, And well, James

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Harden's getting older, what.

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Speaker 2: Does he look like in the playoffs? That matters.

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Speaker 1: But just based on what the Clippers are doing right now,

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when I'm asking you how aggressive you think they should

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be is there a case to be made that they

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should be open to moving a first round pick? That

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to me is the sign of aggression and this is

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what I want to cast away if it's part of

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their calculus shore, But if they think the NBA is

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going to take away those first round picks is part

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of the aspiration investigation anyway, then yeah, okay, you might

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as well trade them, because what are they supposed to

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do at that point? But moving that aside, have you

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seen enough from the Clippers or do you read enough

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into what they're doing to say, hey, you could, we

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could couch it and say, oh, if the right player

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is available, But then like, what is the right player

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that would get you apart with one or both of

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those picks, Because this team is now fascinating because their

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road to doing anything. Even if you believe in how

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good they are right now, it's still going to entail

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them fucking shit up in the Western Conference by getting

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into the plane. Just getting into the top six for

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them is not realistic. They're five losses behind sixth place,

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and that the way they've been playing, that doesn't seem insurmountable.

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But all the teams in front of them are trying

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to win too, and that's where it gets dicey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a pretty good perspective in terms

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of like should it matter, should they just not go

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for it? Because there is a realistic perspective here of

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when you have Kawhi playing at this level and being

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as healthy as he is, Like, he's how many games

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he hit? Has he missed so far? It's like thirteen, right, fourteen,

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thirteen fourteen somewhere along those lines.

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Speaker 1: And he's only missed I think during this like stretch,

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what has he missed fewer than five? He's missed three

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during this stretch thirty one points a game, forty three

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percent from three get into the foul line where he

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just doesn't really miss.

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Speaker 2: The defense has been there. I mean, it's just I.

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Speaker 1: Almost I don't hate that we get to see this

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from Kawhi Leonard, but it makes me long for a

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reality in which he never had to battle these lower

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body injuries in the first place, because this dude is

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just he'sn't the word again, is insane.

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Speaker 2: He is insane.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've said for many years that whenever people

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were basically saying, oh, you know, the next Michael Jordan

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was always Kobe Bryant. It's like, no, Kawhi was was

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that guy? Like if there's you know, aesthetically Goby, yes,

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but in terms of like production, influence everything, it's Kawhi.

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Speaker 1: He does feel like if Michael Jordan played in today's MBA,

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this is what it would look like.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Maybe more athletic, like more explosive in that regard, but yeah,

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for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the two way play, the fact that he

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doesn't turn down the mid range shots like Kawhi. Obviously

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in this day and age, you're more inclined to take threes.

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I think Mike would be too. But like, I think

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that is this is the player. I think this is

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the Michael Jordan comparison player. He has been grotesquely underrated

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for years and years and years and well, I don't

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know if he's been underrated, I think he's been forgotten,

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like because of the injuries. Because of sure, yeah, I

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like who's the best player in the NBA. We never

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talked when we when someone.

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Speaker 1: Can't, if he's if he's not available. He was before

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those injuries started piling up. He was absolutely or they

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did everyone did the thing because it was Lebron was

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consensus at that point. It was Lebron's the best To

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excuse me, Kauai is the best two way player in

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the game, So I don't think forgotten might be the

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right word when he was fair.

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Speaker 3: But let me ask you this. Then there is a

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conversation that's been taking place for a while now in

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terms of who is the best American.

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Speaker 2: Player right now?

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Speaker 3: Does Yeah, that's been if we ignore the injuries and

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just look at what he can do in terms of

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like his influence on a basketball team, is there not

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a realistic argument on his behalf?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think I'm gonna pick Tyre's Halbert and just

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because he's so anti Ice, I think that just boosts.

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Speaker 3: It for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, there is wow because it's as a

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right now, the way that Kawhi Leonard is playing right now. Yeah,

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the answer is probably just Kawhi Leonard right otherwise who

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who is it? Anthony Edwards will be involved in that discussion,

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Lebron just step Steph.

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Speaker 2: I think still, I.

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Speaker 3: Still I think Why's better? And I love Steph, But

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like I think, why a fully healthy Kawhi Leonard? What

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he's doing right now, for example, that like the two

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way play, the floor spacing, the efficiency, the defense, that

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the just the fact that he's so pluck and play.

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To me, I think there's a real conversation, but that's me.

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That's where I am.

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Speaker 1: The conversation just is hard to have because we can't like,

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injuries are an annoying caveat, but they're a very real

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one too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. The thing is when he plays, when

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he's not injured, I think for the most part, he

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just steps up and does this. You know, he dominates

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on some certain level, but he's just leveled up even

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further this year.

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Speaker 1: But so, knowing all this justin I'll throw targets at

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you in a second to see if some of them

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wouldn't cost first round picks.

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Speaker 2: Some of them might.

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Speaker 1: If you're the Clippers, are you even like, just as

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a baseline thought process, are you going into this deadline

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being open to moving first round equity or do you

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have to take the stance of, Look, this team is

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good right now, but we have this flexibility plan in

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twenty twenty seven. Honestly, what title, like, what's their percentage

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of winning a title? Do you think they have a

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five percent. That's the Daryl Morey a line of demarcation.

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Do you think you have a five percent chance? And

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if you do, go all in? I go back and

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forth because if on them honestly aspiration investigation aside, I'm

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not moving first round picks.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: It would have to be just a player, which again

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I'll throw at you in a second that I don't

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even think they're gonna have access to anyway. And so

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if I'm trying to make moves on the margins to

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where it's we've got some basically expire functionally expiring contracts,

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I'll trade the seconds. You can have the two seconds.

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What can we do with that? Is probably how I'm

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approaching the deadline for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I think to me,

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I would be open to it for you know, the

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Kawhi argument, like when you have him to this extent

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where it's only missed fourteen games throughout the entire season,

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when he's he's playing like this, it almost feels like

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to some extent you owe it to yourself to say

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we can't waste the season of him, like we just can't.

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Speaker 2: But because everything with him shifts on a dime.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's the problem is that you You're like

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when he was sent home from that road trip recently,

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and when I saw that, I honestly thought that we

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were gonna get some type of update.

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Speaker 2: He's played since.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna get an update although he's

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done for the season or they'll be reevaluating like eight

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to twelve weeks. And that's I think that's the genesis

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of whatever hesitance I have and hesitants that I think

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they should have. I want to ask you another question

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before getting into actual needs and targets. Though there's been

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a lot of this was mostly from when the Clippers

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played by Doo Doo for the first twenty five games

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whatever it was, first third of the season.

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Speaker 2: What would it take for you to move.

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Speaker 1: A visa Zobots as them, who has two years left

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on his deal after this, he will never account for

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more than twelve percent of the salary cap, and so

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like that's sort of the Zubots backstories. Like teams that

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want a starting caliber center who's not making boohoo dollars,

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I think are going to be very interested in him.

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But you're the Clippers, you're playing really well, right now

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we're talking about trading first round picks to get better.

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Speaker 2: What would it take for you to move off of

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a visa Zobots.

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Speaker 3: Probably more than what teams are willing to give up,

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because he's more important to me if I'm the Clippers,

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as a player than as a trade asset. So you

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would have to come to me if I'm the Clippers,

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and you'll blow me out of the water with an offer,

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because if you're pivoting off soubuch one, you would have

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to get some center in return, unless you're like, hey,

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the corpse of Brook Lopez, come, come start and play.

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Speaker 1: Uh what if Neiterhauser is just ready you think he is? Though, no,

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absolutely not. I'm just saying, but like you.

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Speaker 3: Know, there isn't really a center alternative at this point

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in time. And whoever you get back, if you're trading

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him for another center and additional draft picks for example,

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presumably that center is going to be worse. That's not

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going to help their situation any So, like it would

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have to be multiple firsts as far as I'm concerned,

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Like I and again it's I realized, like in isolation,

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that seems like a big pack trade package for Ivisha Subuch.

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But that's because he's so important to me as an organization.

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He's so important to me as a player at this

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point in time, specifically to me the Clippers. Then he

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has to so many other prospects out there, So like

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I would want the freaking form for him?

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Speaker 2: What if I have two? This is I don't know

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what I would do. These are not endorsements.

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Speaker 1: What a Toronto comes calling and in exchange for they

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have to take back the yaka pertl deal. You're getting

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their first round pick this year, their first round pick

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in twenty twenty eight, and there's got to be something else.

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And then you're not getting Calin Array Boyles. But you've

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got to get something else.

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Speaker 3: You have to.

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Speaker 1: But yet now it starts to get interesting. Yes, Indiana

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comes calling. There needs to be other money involved, but

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they give you Jay Huff. They're twenty twenty seven and

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twenty twenty nine first round picks. So not this year's

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when it's going to be top four whatever it's going

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to be.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, twenty twenty seven is interesting because like,

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like you and I've talked about this before.

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Speaker 2: I I want to trade Tyres Albert and we know

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no but.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just I am so not there in terms

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of like, oh, someone has just had an achilles tear,

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like he's he's going to be fine a year later

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like that For some players, that's a long term injury

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where it takes like a year and a half to

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get back, where even the first year you're back, you

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can be severely limited in many ways. So like, if

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I'm the Clippers and I'm looking at that twenty twenty

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seven pick from Indiana, I'm thinking about it, like I'm

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absolutely thinking about it. I'm like, are we sure Tyres

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Haliburton is going to be Tyrese Haliburton that year you

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were suggests that he's he won't be yet, So I

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think that's an interesting.

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Speaker 1: That gets me thinking if I'm the Clippers, but if

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you want to win now or at any point over

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the next like, that's not a trade Jay Huff is fine,

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but you need to then go figure out how are

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we getting another big man. Maybe there's a different trade

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you could make, but that that's the one that gets

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me thinking. I don't have any other teams that I

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think would give you multiple first round picks, or maybe

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they would, but it's just not like I I've bandied

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about what if the thunder just came calling and said,

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you could have your own first round pick back this year,

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and they want to get Zubots because he's cheaper than

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Hartenstein moving forward, they're worried about their costs as they

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build that that's something they could consider. But now they've

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won so much that how much value is there in

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getting their first round pick back. But at the same time,

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that's just something to consider.

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Speaker 3: So that'd be the other one hard So, I mean

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my counters to that would be the same. I say,

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a Hardenstein who definitely signed a wink wink deal in

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terms of like twenty six twenty seven, where.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if you're Oklahoma City, a lot of

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their fans seem to want to trade for a big

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anyway because of the injuries to Chet and Hartenstein over

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the past couple of years. Yeah, so, I mean having

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Zubots home Grin and Hardenstein would be an embarrassment of riches.

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But if you think Hartenstein, if you don't trust his health,

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do you think he's going to be more expensive? But yeah,

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or maybe okay, so he just wants more picks. Decide, Hey, like,

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what if the offer was will take zubots, give you

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back your pick, but we're gonna trade zoobots for two

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other picks so that their net plus one. I don't

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know what Sam Preston's thinking. I don't think they trade zoobots.

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They've just been too good lately and he's too important

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still to what they do. Let's get into trade targets

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and needs. So you're looking at this roster right now,

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mister Moransen. Yes, what do you view as their singular

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biggest need that you would like to see them address?

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Speaker 3: So it's frustrating because I actually do think they have

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their biggest need on the roster, but it's just on

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utilizing it enough. And that's John Collins. Like I want

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a scoring forward. I want someone who is it's more

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of like a plug and play guys who I think

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he can be because you know, Kawhi is like your

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primary score. You know, James Harden is your primary decision maker.

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I want someone who can come in and just get

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you buckets and ku who can help both Kawhi and

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Harden to perhaps lessen their offensive load during this the

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rest of this regular season. So like the interest Darren

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John Collins, We've seen him before he was averaging like

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what nineteen points last year in Jutah as well, he's

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been averaging what in Atlanta. We saw him in several

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years averaging you know, in that vicinity as well. So

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like the need is present, which annoys me because that's

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what you need. You need someone who can just go

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in and take shots and efficiently so and by the way,

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he too is efficient. He's not someone who is generally

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inefficient like you can see this year as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahad can I just ask what what are

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they not doing with him? I guess like if he's

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playing twenty eight plus minutes a game, like you want

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him to play thirty five?

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Speaker 3: No, I want them to actually give him the fucking

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ball a little bit more or set him up a

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little bit more. I mean he's taking nine shots per

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game in twenty seven minutes. I will concede. There are

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issues like, for one, who the hell went in and

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stole John Collins's rebounding capabilities? Where did that go? I

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I am not sure, but like for him to be

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this on the glass this year is not not that

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is not like him whatsoever. But in terms of like

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the offensive efficiency, he's a guy who can convert highly

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on close to he can hit the three. We've seen

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this before. You can also hit three FROs. Like, this

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isn't a nobody NBA score yet for whatever reason, the Clippers,

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after trading for him and giving up Norman Powell in

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the process, we're like, oh yeah, Like for we're gonna

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settle him for thirteen points a night and only use

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him sparingly, Like no, you you can use him at

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a higher degree than what you are. Like right now,

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Kawhi Leonard has taken almost twenty shots spreaking that.

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Speaker 2: That's not enough quite frankly.

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Speaker 3: Right right, But like we were talking about injuries and whatnot,

475
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:52,920
Like it's pretty taxing on the NBA body to take

476
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,319
that many shots. You you wouldn't hate necessarily to just

477
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,200
shave a couple of them off and like perhaps funnel

478
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,200
some shots towards John Collins a little bit more so.

479
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,440
If he's not it fine. If you think he's a

480
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,720
bad fit, if you think he's not right for the roster,

481
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,319
that's that's fine. There's I can I can see why

482
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,480
they would make that argument. Then find someone who can

483
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,599
go into that salary slot and just give you points,

484
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,559
especially by playing off of James Harden than Kawhi Leonard.

485
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,279
That is what I think is one of their biggest needs.

486
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: I think I do wonder how much of it just

487
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,279
has to do with this team when you look at

488
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,039
some of the secondary lineups. If he's not on the

489
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,240
court with James Hart James Harden, or if he's gonna

490
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,559
be on the floor with Aviatza Zubats or even if

491
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,119
he's gonna be on the floor with another big in general, Like,

492
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:39,000
I don't think that him is a pick and roll threat,

493
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,680
has ever been less of a like a thing. So

494
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,119
there's stuff they could do there, But I wonder what

495
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:46,920
is how do you make that shift? Is it more

496
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,319
about he needs to be the loan big or do

497
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,960
you need someone other than James Harden who you view

498
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,319
as kind of a pick and roll maestro with this team?

499
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,759
And I'm talking specifically more about him as a rim

500
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,720
runner rather than like he could you could drive and spray,

501
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:01,480
he could pick and pop.

502
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,519
Speaker 2: Yeah you can do that all day with anyone.

503
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah you can. But and I think that's that's

504
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,200
also on him, Like this isn't just the Clippers, Like

505
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,720
Collins two also has to adjust to James Harden a

506
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960
little bit better. So there's something there. I do think

507
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:19,680
he works well when he just gets shots within the

508
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,319
flow and he's prioritized. So there are certain players where

509
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,039
you can say, oh, he might not be great in

510
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,559
the pick and roll, he might not be great in

511
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,000
this and this and that, where those numbers actually fall

512
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,440
in as a secondary thing for me, where I'm looking

513
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:35,240
at a guy just getting prioritized for a game or two,

514
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,680
where you can just see his effort increase. You can

515
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,839
see his you know, his his eyes just get wide, like, oh, oh,

516
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:44,240
I'm going to get the ball tonight. I'm actually good. Cool,

517
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,079
I'm locked in. And I've called some Clippers games this

518
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,039
year where he's been really good, and I've also called

519
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,519
somewhere he's been pretty bad. And you can see the

520
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:57,359
notable difference is he just disengages when the ball doesn't

521
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240
get to him for you know, a long stretch of

522
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:03,480
the time. So like and again, he shouldn't disengage. That's

523
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,400
that's obviously a thing, like that's on him. He's an

524
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,720
NPA player earning twenty seven million every single or this year,

525
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,079
like he should be engaged in every single play. That

526
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200
is just literally his job. But at the same time,

527
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,079
I also on a human level, understand, you know, I'm

528
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,359
standing here in the corner with a thumb up my

529
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,880
ass for sixteen straight possessions. Why am I here? What

530
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,880
is what is the nature of my role here? Why?

531
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,319
Why am I just doing this? Why am I not

532
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,119
being used a little bit more? And in the games

533
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,759
where Tylu seems to say, all right, we're kind of

534
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:38,799
short on weapons, let's just let's give him the ball

535
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,720
a little bit more. Let's let's see if we can

536
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,759
squeeze more production out of him, he actually answers the bell.

537
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,240
So again, if it's not John Collins, find by me,

538
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,799
then pivot off of him and find someone who can

539
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,720
score the ball, and again who can play off of

540
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,960
Hart and Leonard just shave off some of their shots

541
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359
to make it easier for them, because there are, after all,

542
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,559
their two primes.

543
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: I almost feel like I would rather them get a

544
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,359
Norman Power replacement, still, like as opposed to a scoring forward.

545
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,039
Speaker 2: I mean, if the right if it's you know, Michael

546
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:13,079
Porter Junior would be.

547
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,599
Speaker 1: Interesting on this team to me as an example, but yeah,

548
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,279
but like without Bradley Beale being healthy, and just like

549
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,680
the same with Bogdanovich, you need that element of what

550
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,440
those players were supposed to be, which is why I've

551
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,640
kept coming back to could they make a play for

552
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:30,759
Anthony Simons?

553
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: And their salary structure is so weird that you could

554
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,759
do so.

555
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,319
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez and Bogdown Bogdanovic are functionally expiring contracts, but

556
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,920
the Clippers would still need to trade like a third player.

557
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,160
So it's like, could you rope in Utah? And how

558
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,759
much does Utah need to take on what's left up?

559
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,920
But Bogdanovitch's deal there is so I mean, like, because

560
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,400
you could send Chris Paul out uh to Boston, Let's

561
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,640
just send Chris Paul to Boston with Brook Lopez. And

562
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,359
then let's from Boston's view, they're just getting out of

563
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,759
the tax that way, and they have Lopez could be

564
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,039
a rotation player, but they're losing Anthony Simon's I don't

565
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,319
know if they need compensation for that. But then the

566
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,920
Jazz would take on Bogdanovic and the Clippers get Anthony Simon,

567
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,039
so I think is a great fit.

568
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna, you know, some.

569
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Do some of this stuff in Portland and he won't

570
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,240
have to do as much of it in La and

571
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,039
they've had, They've gotten away from it in Boston where

572
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:23,920
you don't have to focus on being a playmaker. But

573
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,359
during the non James Harden minutes, like he could just

574
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,920
do some of the basic stuff, like he could run

575
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,799
some pick and rolls, he could work off the dribble.

576
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,519
Speaker 2: I like that deal for the Clippers.

577
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know, like you have two seconds to

578
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,319
play around, Like I'm not giving up a first round

579
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,799
pick to do that. Does two seconds if you're Utah

580
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,519
get you to just take on the expiring money of Bogdanovic.

581
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: I think.

582
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I think yes, because they have that massive trade exception

583
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,839
they could take him into. But as Boston for you

584
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160
is Brook Lopez and Chris Paul and you're getting out

585
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,640
of the tax, and then the Clippers they would have

586
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,519
to They can convert Kobe Sanders at that point and

587
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:01,839
Jordan Miller as well, so they'll be roster wise. I

588
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,839
just don't know from Boston's perspective, gets them out of

589
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,319
the tax without giving up a draft pick.

590
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I'll.

591
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:10,319
Speaker 3: Say Boston would do it immediately if they get out

592
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:10,839
of the tax.

593
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: Simon has been good and important for them, though, I

594
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,160
think you could look at it and say Lopez is

595
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,839
another center.

596
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,119
Speaker 2: He's not.

597
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily provide like the traditional haft, but he'll

598
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,359
stretch the floor like they like, or should be able

599
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,880
to stretch the floor. Chris Paul could take over some

600
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,000
of the ball handling him theory, and it's only for

601
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,440
the rest of this if you want him to even report.

602
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000
But I think the justification for them as we get

603
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,839
out of the tax If you think Jason Tatum is

604
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720
coming back, how important is Anthony Simon's is shooting? If

605
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,000
you have Sam Hawser, Tatum, White, Prichard Brown. So that's

606
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,799
my thought for the Clippers, but other trade targets. So

607
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:47,640
Michael Porter Junior, would you give up one of your

608
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,440
first round picks for him? As the Clippers?

609
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,039
Speaker 3: You know, the injury concern is there, but like this

610
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,960
is the Clippers. They live with injury concerns all the time.

611
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:57,759
So like that's just.

612
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,559
Speaker 2: Also been the past what like three years, He's been

613
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:01,319
pretty durable.

614
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually has. So I probably would because he

615
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,759
is the exact type of scoring forward who can play

616
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,799
off of ball dominant guys. I think that would be interesting. Again,

617
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,480
the Clippers will have to commit, Like again, like you

618
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,680
when you get a guy in there whose main skill

619
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000
is scoring the basketball, you also have to understand how

620
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,640
to lean into that specific skill set, and then you

621
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,559
can go out and make you the argument that, well,

622
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,400
we already have two guys who can score the ball

623
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,319
at a high rate. Sure, but then you shouldn't trade

624
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,799
for a guy like that and make sure you carve

625
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,960
out those opportunities and those chances. Like if you trade

626
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,920
a draft pick for Michael Porter Junior and you have

627
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440
him take nice shot nine or ten shots per game.

628
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,759
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior is not taken only nine or he's

629
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:49,319
he's wired.

630
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,039
Speaker 3: It's fair, you know what I mean? Though, Like if

631
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:55,400
you make him an afterthought like he would.

632
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: He would get me thinking though, because I would like

633
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,480
to structure structure the deal so that I have to

634
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:01,519
give up John Collins.

635
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: But it's just too hard.

636
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,839
Speaker 1: So I think if it's one first round pick John Collins,

637
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,519
and then you're throwing money in there because so let's

638
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,839
say bogdan Bogdanovic, and I think that gets you out

639
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,519
of the tax as like, like that is something as

640
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,160
the Clippers that would be intriguing to me.

641
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, Like, and I think you're right,

642
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,119
Like that is the type of scoring forward to put

643
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,559
next to Harden and Kawhi Leonard.

644
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just I I really don't want them

645
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
to trade a first round pick, but that is Michael

646
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,279
Porter Junior has been He's in like the ninety seconds

647
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,720
percentile of from scratch shock creation efficiency this year. That

648
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,519
would be and obviously he gets scaled down next to

649
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,119
Harden and Kawhi, but we've seen him play in a

650
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,119
scaled down role before. And also just Harden gets to

651
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920
become even more of a playmaker if Michael Porter Junior

652
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,440
and Kawhi Leonard are both there.

653
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: So I will note you're right, we have seen him

654
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,559
in a scaled down version before and he hated it.

655
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,960
So that's also, like.

656
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 1: I do wonder I don't know if he hated it,

657
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,680
but like they did ask him to do a lot

658
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,880
of movement stuff that maybe he just wasn't as intuitive

659
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,559
to him, and maybe the Clippers won't. But maybe is

660
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,000
Tyler going to be more inclined to try him out

661
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,559
in second units where he has the ball in his

662
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:23,640
hands more. He probably would be, especially if the Clippers

663
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,000
don't have like another ready made guard there, so that'd

664
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640
be interesting Another name I have for them because I

665
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,680
just wanted to see them get more pop on the.

666
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 2: Wings, Terren Shannon Junr.

667
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: He's injured, but having him come off the bench is

668
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,599
just part of that wing rotation if he's healthy. Another

669
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,839
name I thought about. I just don't I'm not giving

670
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680
up a first round pick for him, so it feels

671
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,000
like they won't get him. But Kobe White would make

672
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:47,880
some sense here too.

673
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he would because he would just integrate so

674
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,240
well off the ball. He's someone who I've always loved,

675
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,440
as you know, a theoretical fit next to Kawhi Leonard

676
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,599
for example, someone who is just able to play that

677
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,319
secondary churchy or role, which I think is interesting. And

678
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,799
I mean, the Bulls can't ask for much. We recorded

679
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:17,119
about the recorded Chicago's trade headline primer recently and we

680
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,759
laid out his situation there. The Bulls can't ask for much,

681
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,640
So would you even have to give up first.

682
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Look if they're gonna do it for the two seconds?

683
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,599
Like I'm done. I don't know if there's any player

684
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,960
that Chicago would have real interest in, like long term

685
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,720
that the Clippers have on their roster. Maybe one of

686
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,480
the two way guys, but if I'm the Clippers, I

687
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,920
don't know if I want to give up either one

688
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,160
of them. So yeah, but I would, I'd be curious.

689
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,880
I don't think the Bulls do it for the two seconds?

690
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 2: What about you? I don't think they would do it again.

691
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,279
Speaker 3: It depends on how they go about this trade dead line,

692
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,880
Like are they going to shop Kobe White to you know,

693
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,079
to do these very good teams that are presumably going

694
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:06,480
to make headway in the in the playoffs and try

695
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,360
to get it get it, get into like a bidding

696
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,880
war for him. Maybe they will accept, you know, a

697
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,400
a first round for someone, in which case, yeah, the

698
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,000
Clippers will be hard pressed to match that because I

699
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,320
agree with you, that's tough to justify that type of

700
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,280
compensation for Kobe White. But if they don't get those

701
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,440
offers and they're risk losing him for nothing, I mean, yeah,

702
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,440
I'm not closing that door.

703
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: What about RJ.

704
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: Barrett?

705
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: If you get him for the seconds?

706
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: Souary like, okay, oh, I have a bigger swing coming

707
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,119
up for you too.

708
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: Well. I mean all right, so I'm not crazy about

709
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,239
like the RJ. Barrett fit, because you know he's gonna

710
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,679
need the ball in his hands a whole.

711
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Lot like I will get.

712
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: So what I will say is he doesn't anymore. But

713
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,440
you are right that I think you want to see

714
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,320
a ton of he You don't want to. I see

715
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,039
too much of him playing with Harden and Kawhi all

716
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,519
the time. But with that said, like his off ball

717
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,719
movement in Toronto and the way that he's been pushing

718
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000
the pace for them after rebounds, Yes, the Clippers could

719
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:13,400
that is something they very much could use.

720
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: I agree with that. Yes, So who's who's your big swing?

721
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:17,760
It costs you.

722
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: This is gonna cost you both your first round picks,

723
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,760
by both your second round picks Trey Murphy for this team.

724
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,360
And the reason I think most people say, oh it's

725
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,239
cost more than two first round picks to get him,

726
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,440
We're talking twenty thirty twenty thirty two first round picks.

727
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:37,800
So these are You're not getting an immediate payoff there,

728
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,400
but those are crown jewel type assets.

729
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: Man. Like, Look, I think I do agree with you

730
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,199
on one thing here. Now is the time to actually

731
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,440
make the play for him, because the Pelicans sting. They

732
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,239
have developed a track record for making awful traits. And

733
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,360
that's not me taking a chat at them. Like, yes,

734
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,519
it is, but it's correct, like it's not a lie,

735
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,679
you know what I mean, Like they do have a

736
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,079
recent track record of making shitty trades, So now is

737
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,480
the time to actually see if you can go in

738
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,480
and drop them silly like it is so and.

739
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,199
Speaker 2: Would that be a would you call that a highway

740
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,119
robbery deal? Though?

741
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would two unprotected picks that far out, Okay,

742
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,760
I'm just I'm genuinely asking.

743
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: So the reason that I think it is is because

744
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Trey Murphy and the year of our NBA year here,

745
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,880
twenty twenty six is like the prototypical ceiling racing wing

746
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:47,920
like high volume from three, highly efficient in terms of

747
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,119
getting to the free throw line, not a bad defender, rebounds,

748
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,239
moves the ball. He's cost controlled in terms like I

749
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,840
don't he's not on a bad deal whatsoever. He's not

750
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,239
a good deal and for a while too, right, I

751
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,159
want to say another two or three years at least.

752
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Uh three, I think this is the first year for

753
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,599
the extension, right yeah, yeah, So like again, twenty five

754
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,840
million this year, twenty seven, next twenty nine, forty one

755
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,519
for a guy who is a high end starter like all.

756
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,599
Speaker 3: Star what our star all sar Adjason player. Hell yeah,

757
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Like that's okay, he should cost you a lot. But like,

758
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,159
if it's the Pelicans you're negotiating with, start lower, start lower.

759
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: Here's another one. Would you give up a first round

760
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,400
pick for Michal Bridges?

761
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 3: I mean the Knicks gave up four, right, so.

762
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: They gave up more than that. It was a control

763
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,800
of control of six. It's control of six or five

764
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,519
whatever it was. I think it was six though with

765
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:51,039
the swap.

766
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he's plucking play. We know that he's durable,

767
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,760
we know that he's getting you know, it's a it's

768
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,840
an interesting one. So let me ask you this. Do

769
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,440
you think because of how much he's been available that

770
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,320
it increases the risk of him, you know, reaching sort

771
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,079
of the the height of that where it's like, now

772
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,440
he's played, you know, half a million straight in BA games.

773
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,159
Speaker 1: I I am an alarmist, So I absolutely think in

774
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,320
those terms. If you say he's played in a thousand

775
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,519
consecutive games, my first thought is, well, his treads are

776
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:26,199
about to blow.

777
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: Like that's just that's my that's my first thought.

778
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's where I'm at too, Like six hundred

779
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,840
and three games, thirty three plus minutes, he's about to

780
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,519
turn thirty.

781
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:44,079
Speaker 1: Sh It's I honestly think he's become a little He's been,

782
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,079
he was mad, he's been maddening to watch lately. But

783
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,719
I think he's become a little underrated. He's gonna be

784
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,920
like the fifty fifth highest paid player in the NBA

785
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,960
next year. So people that are upset about his extension,

786
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,440
I just I don't get it. I think I think

787
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,199
that the Knicks misvalued him, and now we're looking at

788
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,320
him through that lens of well, he needed to be

789
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,320
there's their second or third best player, and the problem

790
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,159
of late is that he hasn't even really been their

791
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,400
fourth best player, which is a different conversation. But if

792
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,599
you put him in LA with Kawhi and James Harden

793
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,719
in theory, I think you're getting a different McHale Bridges

794
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,599
than you have because the Knicks right now need him

795
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,079
to do certain things that he shouldn't have to do. Defensively,

796
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,039
offensively you're not gonna have to do if everyone's healthy

797
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,599
in LA. Now we're always just one Kawhi Leonard update

798
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:39,000
away from that changing. But so I think if I

799
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,039
were them, if the Knicks acts for both first round picks.

800
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,000
I don't know if I would do it. If it

801
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:46,559
was one, I might consider it.

802
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,039
Speaker 3: I don't know why the Knicks would, but yes, if

803
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,480
I can get him for one, I wouldn't hate it.

804
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 2: They might want draft picks.

805
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: They think he's more valuable, like that's more of a

806
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:59,400
maybe they think Mitchell Robinson's more valuable to them, and

807
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,400
that's the route they're going to go. What about Now,

808
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,519
this eats into your twenty twenty seven cap space, but

809
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,840
I think you can agree he'll be on an expiring contract.

810
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,039
Speaker 2: Then you can figure it out later.

811
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: It's not gonna cost you a first, it's money and

812
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,199
you can send them a ton of expiring money.

813
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: Drew Holliday, Oh okay, like ceiling Race or defensively super

814
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,920
Old like that kind of fits.

815
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,039
Speaker 1: The timeline played really well and he's an offensive caretaker

816
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,679
in the non Pardon minutes.

817
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,119
Speaker 2: For sure.

818
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: It depends on the price. I would say it is

819
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,599
the price name.

820
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I think just name the matching salary that it takes

821
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,360
to get there, and then you have to give up.

822
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,039
You have those seconds to play around with.

823
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: So that's what, yeah, that I would do, like, as

824
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,239
long as I'm not giving up the first round equity.

825
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: I've seen some people suggest DeMar deroze in.

826
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,079
Speaker 1: I don't like him for this team, right, I agree

827
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:54,400
with that.

828
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,119
Speaker 3: I mean a shot clock eating mid range guy. I

829
00:40:59,199 --> 00:40:59,559
get it.

830
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: Do you think there's what about ben Nicmathrin or do

831
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,280
you not want him on this I'm assuming the cost

832
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,440
wouldn't be a first round pick because of his upcoming

833
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,119
free agency.

834
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't necessarily love the fit. I think.

835
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you.

836
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,119
Speaker 1: I want someone who's going to operate quicker if we're

837
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,559
if we're going for a score, like, give me Michael

838
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,519
Porter Junior, give me Anthony Simons, those types of.

839
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: Kobe White over Benic Mathrine as well.

840
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,079
Speaker 1: Frank, Yeah, Now what about Naji Marshall?

841
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: Hmm? Okay?

842
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: And can I can I propose something else? A bigger

843
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,719
deal where you're getting both Nausei Marshall and Max Christie.

844
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,119
But it is costing you first round picks.

845
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: Okay, but like both are one.

846
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: Man? I don't it's is it both?

847
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Max Christie's cheap for another year and then

848
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:06,639
he's gonna need to get paid.

849
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:11,519
Speaker 3: And he's good, like he's really good, He's really good.

850
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,280
Nashi Marshall, What about how about a pick?

851
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,559
Speaker 1: Well, actually, let me make sure that Dallas has a

852
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,559
pick that year to swap. Yeah, what about a pick

853
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,000
and a swap? Okay, so we're going twenty thirty and

854
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,360
then twenty thirty one swap?

855
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,199
Speaker 3: That feels more realistic to.

856
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Me, does Dalla? I'm not. I just want to double Dallas.

857
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, does not have a twenty thirty, does not have

858
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,880
control over twenty Actually they might prefer well, again, picking

859
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
a swap, so that would be that'd be interesting, Dallas.

860
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: I don't think we're still saying no, because I mean, yeah,

861
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Max Christie, I assume they've sort of Pacha Toll as

862
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,440
a Cooper flag, you know, long term mainstay, right like.

863
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,679
Speaker 1: Because of this show, which is the way he's shooting

864
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,400
and defending this year. I totally get. I'm just looking

865
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,400
at it as he has that player option in twenty seven.

866
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
He's gonna cost He's not gonna cost eight point eight

867
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,519
million dollars and you can't extend him. That's that's one

868
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,480
of those deals that aren't going to be extendable. That's

869
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,440
one I did not have my head coming in.

870
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: I just came up with it. You're welcome, everybody.

871
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: I've got some just low end stuff like maybe do

872
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,719
they take a flyer and carry Trent Junior if you're

873
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880
looking for some perimeter juice. But unless you have any

874
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,320
other names, I don't know that I have a ton

875
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,159
that's the scoring forward route is interesting. Michael Porter Junior

876
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,639
was the one that I thought about for some long.

877
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: I just don't know.

878
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,159
Speaker 1: I feel like if depending on the day you asked me,

879
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,159
I'll tell you yes or no, I said yesterday, I'll

880
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:37,599
probably say no tomorrow.

881
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,639
Speaker 3: Whereas we would say yes every single date's Trey Murphy

882
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400
like that is the type of guy who is like

883
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,199
a ceiling racer for this team.

884
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: And I ultimately don't don't think if we're making predictions,

885
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,800
I think something like we mapped out the Anthony Simon's trade,

886
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,519
or do they try and take a look at Corey

887
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,760
Kispert or something like. It feels like they're more likely

888
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,679
to do something on that level than trade a first

889
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,199
round pick.

890
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, I.

891
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: Wouldn't hate a Corey Kisbert acquisition.

892
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: There you love Corey Kisberg for some ungodly reason that

893
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,360
I said the recently you can score at the rim, sir, Yeah, yes,

894
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,639
But are they are they self created. Rim looks moret

895
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,280
not always, but he does convert. My case rests with that.

896
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,760
I actually kind of like the Drew Holliday scenario. I

897
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,159
don't know if Portland would be into it, but expiring

898
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,760
money and you got to worry about like paying some

899
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,840
of your other guys coming up.

900
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,639
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate it.

901
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: That's fair.

902
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,119
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else or are you ready to tell

903
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,599
our audience where they could find you in all your

904
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:38,960
great work?

905
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do not. I'm honestly impressed by us that

906
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,320
we went forty five minutes on the Clippers on this one.

907
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Well, we went on the twenty twenty five trade deadline tangent.

908
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,159
We talked about Kawhi Leonard with regards to the trade

909
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,280
deadline for just someone own reason shout out Kobe Sanders

910
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:56,880
and Jordan Miller got there FaceTime. I want to know

911
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,000
what other National podcast right now is giving you a

912
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,920
few minutes on the impact of Kobe Sanders and Jordan Miller.

913
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: That's all I want to know.

914
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: That is fair. Now, you can find my work over

915
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,360
at Yahoo Sports and you can listen to the NP podcast.

916
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:15,280
If you understand Danish, you can catch my podcast buzzer

917
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,960
beater and also catch me calling games on HBO Max.

918
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:20,760
I'm pretty available.

919
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,960
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921
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So get back on the grind of writing reviews. That's

922
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,079
saying nice things about Grant mort and myself.

923
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:33,679
Speaker 2: That'd be great.

924
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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, we mout the shout

925
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,000
out to the one, the only, the indelible.

926
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,079
Speaker 2: They should probably sign him to play with the Clippers. Christer,

927
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:43,800
Frank La Tina