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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. Over the past eight or nine months, the

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<v Speaker 1>Congressional Oversight Committee looking into the Jeffrey Epstein scandal has

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<v Speaker 1>had a revolving door of people coming in to have

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<v Speaker 1>a chat. Well, today, Tuesday, June ninth, twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>that revolving door swings again, and this time it's Leslie

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<v Speaker 1>Groff who's on deck. And while there's never been any

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<v Speaker 1>accusation that Leslie Groff took part in any abuse, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's any doubt that she was a key

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<v Speaker 1>cog in the Epstein machine. And without Leslie Groff, Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein couldn't have done what he did. But here's the

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<v Speaker 1>big problem. The government never charged Jeffrey Epstein with RICO.

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<v Speaker 1>So if it wasn't a recal operation in the government's size,

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<v Speaker 1>then how can they charge Leslie Groff? They can, And

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<v Speaker 1>like I told you from the very beginning, that was

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<v Speaker 1>all by design. This has never been about get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of anything. And I hate to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>this committee is no different. Their goal isn't to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what happened and hold people accountable. Their goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to control the blast radius, and unfortunately they've done a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good job. I mean, the topic certainly doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the momentum that it had before. Everybody's talking about Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's talking about this, that or the other thing. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>these scumbags are happy as hell, swimming around in their

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<v Speaker 1>money like Scrooge McDuck and screwing the rest of us. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, what does that matter with all the

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<v Speaker 1>winning that's going on with Iran? Right? I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>can we stomach all this winning? I mean, is there

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<v Speaker 1>a more jubulant feeling than paying ninety bucks to fill

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<v Speaker 1>up your sedan? I mean, not to very too far

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<v Speaker 1>off course here, but what did we gain? What was

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<v Speaker 1>gained by the whole entire thing in Iran? But putting

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<v Speaker 1>some distance between the Epstein files and the administration, do

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<v Speaker 1>you really think they're not gonna have nuclear weapons anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>All this is is Obama two point zero. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's okay this time because you know your guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's article is from The Guardian and the headline Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein assistant Leslie Groff set to testify before the House panel.

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<v Speaker 1>This article was authored by Anna Betts. Leslie Groff, Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's longtime executive assistant, is testifying on Tuesday before the

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<v Speaker 1>House Oversight and Reform Committee as lawmakers on the panel

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<v Speaker 1>continued their investigation into the late convicted sex offender. And

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<v Speaker 1>do we really think that Leslie Groff doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>story to tell. She most certainly does. She knows the who's,

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<v Speaker 1>the whys, the whens, and the wares, and up until

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<v Speaker 1>this point she hasn't come forward and talked about any

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Groff worked for Epstein for almost twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning in two thousand and one and ending in July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, when he was arrested. Notes from a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one FBI interview with Groff, which was included in

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<v Speaker 1>the millions of documents related to Epstein released by the

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<v Speaker 1>Department Adjusts earlier this year, state that she told the

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<v Speaker 1>agents that she began working for Epstein after she was

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<v Speaker 1>contacted by a headhunter who found her resume and told

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<v Speaker 1>her that there was a job to organize one man's life.

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<v Speaker 1>And Okay, I get it. That sounds like a great job, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But once you're there and you see what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>all those excuses go out. The window. Let's not act

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<v Speaker 1>like you're being forced to do this. She had no

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<v Speaker 1>problem doing this job because she was being rewarded handsomely,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money, a lot of prestige, use of

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein's jets, his apartments, all of it, and that allure.

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<v Speaker 1>It draws people in and people who are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>go to great lengths to try to rationalize that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shit with themselves as long as they're benefiting monetarily

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<v Speaker 1>or in other ways. What do they care about these kids?

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<v Speaker 1>What do they care about these women from Russia? Not

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<v Speaker 1>their problem? Right? The man turned out to be Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Groff told agents that she had not previously heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that she interviewed with several people for the position,

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<v Speaker 1>including Epstein and Glene Maxwell, Epstein's longtime associate who's currently

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<v Speaker 1>serving a twenty year prison sentence for sex trafficking crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the FBI document, Groff said that she signed

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<v Speaker 1>a non disclosure agreement. Well, yeah, they all do, they

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<v Speaker 1>all did, but that shit doesn't mean anything in criminal court.

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<v Speaker 1>Criminal court is where NDA is going to die. So

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<v Speaker 1>the NDA that's going to protect you from embarrassing you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talk in public. That's not going to protect you from

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<v Speaker 1>a federal investigation, or at least it shouldn't. But when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to people like Jeffrey Epstein, of course different

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<v Speaker 1>rules right rules for them and then rules for us.

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<v Speaker 1>The document states that Groff told agents that her responsibilities

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<v Speaker 1>included scheduling meetings, making phone calls, coordinating with Epstein's driver

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<v Speaker 1>in chef and other people, and managing much of his

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<v Speaker 1>daily schedule and appointments. According to the FBI notes, Groff

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<v Speaker 1>told investigators that from the beginning, massage was part of

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's day. They were normal appointments. Groff's job was to

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<v Speaker 1>make appointments. The FBI notes say to Groff, making massage

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<v Speaker 1>appointments was just another appointment she made for Epstein, adding

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<v Speaker 1>that Epstein would call Groff in the morning and say

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<v Speaker 1>something like, call and see if she can do a

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<v Speaker 1>massage at fourteen. You know what. That's all fine and well,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you're calling a high school girl, I would

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<v Speaker 1>think that you know what's going on? Now She'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea how old she was. But how

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<v Speaker 1>many of you believe that? Do you really think that

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<v Speaker 1>these people that were working together, that were in Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>orbit didn't talk. They knew what was going on. They

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<v Speaker 1>all chose to look the other way. That's my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the contemporaneous facts back that up. But

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<v Speaker 1>the hard part is, how do you prove that. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't prove that in a court of law. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>unless you charge them with RICO, there's nothing you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Your hands are tied as law enforcement. In recent years,

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<v Speaker 1>Groff has faced public scrutiny after it emerged that she

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<v Speaker 1>was among four women identified as possible co conspirators and

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<v Speaker 1>granted immunity from prosecution under Epstein's controversial two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>seven plea deal with federal prosecutors in Florida. So if

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't a co conspirator, why did they give her immunity?

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<v Speaker 1>Please stop insulting our intelligence. Holy fuck. When asked last

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<v Speaker 1>month about Graff's knowledge of details surrounding Epstein's two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight conviction, her attorney Michael Backner, told the Guardian

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<v Speaker 1>that after Epstein's arrest in two thousand and eight, he

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<v Speaker 1>continuously lied to Leslie and other members of the staff,

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that he had been blackmailed and set up. So

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<v Speaker 1>you believe it. Just take him at face value. The

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<v Speaker 1>government was in on it. Everybody was fucking Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the deal. I mean, it's a good excuse, but

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<v Speaker 1>no competent person's buying it. If I was working for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody and they got nailed for picking up little girls

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<v Speaker 1>and then called them a prostitute, the second I heard

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<v Speaker 1>the news, I would quit, have a little bit of integrity, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, we have bills to pay, and yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>other jobs, there's other shit to do, and there's other

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<v Speaker 1>people to work for. But for twenty years, well, Leslie

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<v Speaker 1>Groff had no desire to do any of that. Backner

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<v Speaker 1>added that Epstein angrily said that the allegations against him

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<v Speaker 1>were simply false and he had no idea that the

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<v Speaker 1>prostitute he had contact with was a minor, adding that

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<v Speaker 1>in Leslie's mind, that was the reason that he was

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<v Speaker 1>treated so leniently by law enforcement before and after he

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced. Like, you don't go to an escort a

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<v Speaker 1>professional somebody that wants to be doing what they're doing, because,

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<v Speaker 1>believe me, I have no problem with people who want

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<v Speaker 1>to engage in, you know, sex work. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>not my business. Nothing I do. But I'm not everybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>and not everybody else is me, and not everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>the same moral compass. I get that, and I'm certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not somebody that gives a shit what anybody does in

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<v Speaker 1>their bedroom. But the whole story here about how she

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea about how he was being blackmailed. Who

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<v Speaker 1>buys that? Does anybody out there really buy that? And

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you the truth, I highly doubt that twelve

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<v Speaker 1>jurors would buy it either. Imagine being a jur getting

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<v Speaker 1>all the evidence in a RICO case and then Leslie

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<v Speaker 1>Groff telling you she doesn't know. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>would work out. For In fact, what you would see

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody turning on everybody else, and that is why

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have Rico. The Epstein files released by the

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Department also included an internal FBI document from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen that list eight people as possible co conspirators, including Groff.

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<v Speaker 1>In a statement to NBC News earlier this year, Groff's

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer said that she'd never seen the document and was

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<v Speaker 1>unaware of it. Well, that's because they never pursued it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was never a real investigation. Just like I told you,

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<v Speaker 1>saw those dumb motherfuckers out there that cry and bitch

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<v Speaker 1>and moan, and we're on bullshit narratives that this has

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<v Speaker 1>all been investigated. They're liars, the whole last lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of propaganda push in punk ass liars. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>neither Leslie nor counsel were ever notified by law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>that she was considered an Epstein co conspirator, her lawyer said.

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<v Speaker 1>On the contrary, after Leslie voluntarily spoke with prosecutors and

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<v Speaker 1>answered each and every question asked of her, she was

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<v Speaker 1>told that she was not being prosecuted. Well that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem too, Do you guys not get it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just about what Epstein did, It's about what the

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<v Speaker 1>government did. And I wish people would just wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and see the forest through the trees here. Whenever we

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<v Speaker 1>have a Republican administration, the Democrats, well they can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you how much they don't trust the government. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>you have all the people that were just telling us

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<v Speaker 1>under Biden that the government can't be trusted, Well, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all big time fans of the government now, and the

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<v Speaker 1>government's doing the right thing, and the storm's gathering, and

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<v Speaker 1>where we go one we go all. The truth is,

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<v Speaker 1>the government doesn't give a fuck about you, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what party's in power. And the sooner you

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<v Speaker 1>guys wise up to that shit, the better off we're

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<v Speaker 1>all gonna be. Do you think these people really care

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<v Speaker 1>about you while you're fighting with all your friends or

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<v Speaker 1>not inviting your cousin Jodah Christmas because he has a

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<v Speaker 1>different political view than you. Meanwhile, all these people behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes, they're living it up. You ever hear a

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<v Speaker 1>k fabe and wrestling. They may pretend their enemies right,

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<v Speaker 1>but behind the scenes, obviously it's all fake and their

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<v Speaker 1>friends sam in politics, these people despise you, so why

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<v Speaker 1>in the hell would you run cover for them? Why

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<v Speaker 1>in the hell would you defend their bullshit on a

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<v Speaker 1>regular basis. Groff's name also appeared in a twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>FBI interview with a survivor of Epstein's abuse, in which

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<v Speaker 1>the person whose name is redacted said that they felt

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<v Speaker 1>like Groff knew what was going on and knew the

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<v Speaker 1>massage appointments were sexual, but the person acknowledged that they

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<v Speaker 1>never said anything to Leslie about the massages. Following Epstein's death,

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<v Speaker 1>Groff along with several other employees and associates of Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>was named in several civil lawsuits filed by survivors against

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein and his estate. Some plaintiffs accused her of facilitating

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<v Speaker 1>his abuse. Groff's attorney has said that she never engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in any misconduct and never knowingly made travel arrangements for

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<v Speaker 1>anyone under eighteen. The civil claims against Groff were later dismissed. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what about travel arrangements for women who are being trafficked?

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<v Speaker 1>Ever make those? Did you ever schedule a flight for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to come from point A the point B, crossing

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<v Speaker 1>state lines or international lines with the express purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>them being abused or used for sex? Well, then congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>you're now part of the conspiracy. Her lawyer has also

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<v Speaker 1>said the allegations against Groff in civil suits simply wrong, confused,

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<v Speaker 1>and devoid of any facts establishing that she had any

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<v Speaker 1>idea of Epstein's horrible and nefarious conduct. Groff was subpoenaed

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<v Speaker 1>by the House Committee in March to appear before the

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<v Speaker 1>panel for an interview. Due to public reporting documents released

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<v Speaker 1>by the Department of Justice and documents obtained by the committee,

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<v Speaker 1>the committee believes you have information that will assist in

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<v Speaker 1>its investigation, the letter from Representative James Comer, the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>who chairs the committee, reads. Last month, another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's former assistants, Sarah Kellen, also testified before the House

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<v Speaker 1>Committee as part of their investigation. In her testimony, Kellen

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<v Speaker 1>denied she was an accomplice of Epstein and said that

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<v Speaker 1>she was sexually and psychologically abused by the late financier

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<v Speaker 1>during her employment. And look, like I've said, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt that Sarah Kelln was abused. That doesn't give

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<v Speaker 1>her immunity from the shit she did, though, And unless

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<v Speaker 1>she provides some actionable intelligence on somebody, well she should

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<v Speaker 1>be right up there with everybody else when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to investigations. And now that we're done with the Pam

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<v Speaker 1>Bondi transcript, we're going to be diving in to the

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Kelln transcript. We'll see what she had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after their released this Leslie Groff transcript, well

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be diving into that bad boy too. So until then,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to do it for this one. All the

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