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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Page my guest for the evening. You know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where you can find her at Sydney Page links all

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<v Speaker 1>of our social media in the episode description below. Please

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<v Speaker 1>make sure, at the bare minimum you follow these folks

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, bump those numbers up, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>payday rolls around, hey, you know where to go. Links

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the episode description Sidney, it is a pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on tonight. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>having me. Let me ask you what might seem like

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<v Speaker 1>a dumb question, but the breadth or whatever that word

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<v Speaker 1>is of your career. What do you consider your job

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<v Speaker 1>title to be?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a defrocked physical excitement engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I read that on your Twitter. I enjoyed that.

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<v Speaker 1>What exactly does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>That means that I take my clothes off and do

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, or I'm your naked therapist.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, that's a nice one too. I like on

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of day we were happened? Man? Again, I

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed someone earlier and we were talking about her only fans,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, one time I was bringing in groceries

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<v Speaker 1>and I just did it topless and I put it

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<v Speaker 1>on my only fans and everyone was like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>should do more of that. So many girls in this

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<v Speaker 1>industry I feel like, could just do like day in

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<v Speaker 1>and day out stuff and as long as you pop

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<v Speaker 1>them titties out, guys will be like, yeah, I'll pay

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my like my third top selling video of

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<v Speaker 2>all time since twenty sixteen is me washing my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, yeah, these beautiful hair. I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would play it was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was platinum back then it was blonde. But yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just me washing my hair talk through video of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's you know, it's so strange what people will

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<v Speaker 1>like and what they don't, And as long as it's

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<v Speaker 1>not destructive, yeah, go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're not hurting yourself or anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>turn the camera on. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. So let me ask you. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>the boring stuff and cleared out of the way, not

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<v Speaker 1>boring necessarily, But how did you initially decide to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the adult entertainment industry? What was the crossover from

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote vanilla normal life too, let's do something different.

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<v Speaker 2>So on April seventeenth, Wow. Two thousand and seven, I

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<v Speaker 2>decided that I was tired of going to high school

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<v Speaker 2>and college at the same time and working two jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got I found an ad in the newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>and started it like this really shitty strip club and

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, and then they were like what are you

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<v Speaker 2>doing at this strip club? And then I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the nicer strip club and it all just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>my whore bingo card is filled out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done it all. It's so funny. Even the club recognized, like,

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<v Speaker 1>sen here too too good for this place, So what

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing? So how did the girls that the

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<v Speaker 1>managers went to them and go, you're just in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place. How did they feel to that? Like did

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<v Speaker 1>they try and make the jump or no?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Just like people just kept asking me,

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<v Speaker 2>why aren't you at this? You know, and it's okay

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<v Speaker 2>in the city there's not you know, big clubs, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're just like, why are you not at this one? Like, oh, well, yess,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go stop by.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when you were dancing, do you remember your most

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<v Speaker 1>successful night and is there any interesting story behind it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a big german bachelor party comes in something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I danced for eight years, and I did travel dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have quite a few. I have one that's

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<v Speaker 2>real fun. I worked at Scores in Baltimore. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>the night that Michael Phelps got his GUI, guess where

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<v Speaker 2>he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Scores in Baltimore. I would assume he yah, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was up there. That's so yeah. That okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. That's a good one. Now was

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<v Speaker 1>he paying for lamp dances or I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I usually don't like when femalest people don't

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<v Speaker 2>come into the club. I'm not saying all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>but like when they do, they don't really like it's

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<v Speaker 2>an experience thing and they kind of want stuff for free.

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<v Speaker 2>So like all the girls like will flock to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll go hang out with the other people that

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<v Speaker 2>are getting ignored.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good idea. Go yeah, yeah, I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have a fan question for you here, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you'll take it as the joke. It is instride. It's

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<v Speaker 1>from Brandon Brown. Hi, I want to become a porn

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<v Speaker 1>star and trying to figure out how to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the porn industry. How many fucking emails do you get

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<v Speaker 1>every day? No one today.

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<v Speaker 2>I got one today and I told him I would

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<v Speaker 2>ant I would give him the step by step for

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Well that ruins my bit I was gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping you would go, I hated, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I would go, let's just make the definitive guide right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you from the outside perspective what I

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<v Speaker 1>would say. I would say, Start building your social media profile. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>learn correct grammar in your emails, and how to reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to people, how to do it, how to take

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<v Speaker 1>a photo photos of yourself, you know the ones you

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<v Speaker 1>see and like casting stuff side by side this here's

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<v Speaker 1>and not just what do you think of my dick?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I do porn? Thank you? Okay, So set up

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<v Speaker 1>your profile, establish yourself in the world. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe find other newer content creators, work with them, try

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<v Speaker 1>and work with them, present yourself PROFI.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be picky, because I know some people who have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten like started kind of like that and have gotten bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the beginning, you're not gonna screw like Sophia Locke.

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<v Speaker 2>You just like showed up. Sure, that's not gonna happen. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just whoever's around you and body types and

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, skin color, like whatever it is. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to get that video out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let me ask you, is that that same piece

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<v Speaker 1>of advice? Okay, and this may be totally going to

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<v Speaker 1>be different, but does that somewhat also apply to females

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<v Speaker 1>coming into the industry in this sense if they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be independent. I interview a lot of newer girls

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<v Speaker 1>on my show as well, Like I have a split

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<v Speaker 1>show and a lot of them. You could you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell the ones that are gonna make it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell the ones who want to make some

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<v Speaker 1>money in this, want to do whatever. But it's everything

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<v Speaker 1>by my own way, which I respect, right, I get that,

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<v Speaker 1>But you've got to be malleable.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there are hard boundaries that you should not cross.

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<v Speaker 2>I've walked off set just been like nope. But like

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you got to be like, okay, as long as

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<v Speaker 2>it's not harmful. It's just like somebody wasn't really planning

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<v Speaker 2>on doing today.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, not exactly, not destructive, not harmful, not someone untested

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, but like, I don't know, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of a gross hair lip, but his dick

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<v Speaker 1>looks fine. It might have to do it today, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, this is was was anyone a mentor to

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<v Speaker 1>you when you got into this industry or did you

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<v Speaker 1>know have you gained any mentors as you've been in it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Actually, and since I started stripping, then camming and

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<v Speaker 2>fetish than porn. So what I do now is I mentor?

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<v Speaker 1>That was what I was going to ask. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>mentored because you're now knowledgeable on it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a whole, you know, gaggle of models. I

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<v Speaker 2>just recently helped a bunch of models to get like

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<v Speaker 2>their pictures for a BM to have signed, hooking them

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<v Speaker 2>up with photographers, helping them design business cards, this and that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one girl where you know, she's twenty four to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, but like the biggest thing is either young

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<v Speaker 2>or milf, and she looks young. So I was like

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of lean into that. But like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>walking through a field and you know where the land

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<v Speaker 2>mines are, Just tell them it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's so weird. There's a weird dichotomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I hear strip clubs the back room is very competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>very a little bit cutthroat. It can be. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on the club. I've heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>horror stories of girls who used to strip and say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's my client over there, don't go near them.

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<v Speaker 1>This and that. Yeah, that does happen. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>have heard that there are mentors kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>strip game. A girl teach you how to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>show you how to do this. Yet when you go

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter and you look at porn star Twitter, everything's

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<v Speaker 1>so nice. It doesn't seem as competitive until like someone

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<v Speaker 1>gets canceled or something like that. Then that's just that's

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<v Speaker 1>just the front room. See, and maybe that's it, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the front room, but it doesn't a lot of interviews

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of people say no, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a mentor. I didn't have someone that show

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<v Speaker 1>me how to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now so I and I realize that, and now that

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<v Speaker 2>I've got, you know, all of the information, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing you can do in sex work, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done or been adjacent to, so I just try to

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<v Speaker 2>help out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, do you have anyone under your wing

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<v Speaker 1>currently that you can see and recognize like like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll make it in this industry, But is there anyone

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<v Speaker 1>you look at and go and I'm not asking you

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<v Speaker 1>to name them necessarily, but superstar status. I see superstar

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<v Speaker 1>status in this person.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say superstar yet that she's going to do

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<v Speaker 2>real well, okay. And she's one of the girls I

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<v Speaker 2>helped design, you know, the like her pictures to sign

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<v Speaker 2>it ab in and I was telling her like that,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the kind of paper it needs to be on,

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<v Speaker 2>and this and that, and she sent me a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of photos and I was like, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>this one making eye contact like it's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's another one who I absolutely adore. And she's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be really, really great in for right now

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<v Speaker 2>the fetish and amateur scene. She's going to blow it

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<v Speaker 2>up in like the next year and we'll see where

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<v Speaker 2>she goes from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I will ask that name off camera

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<v Speaker 1>because you never know, she might quit tomorrow and then

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<v Speaker 1>we all look foolish. Who knows when you came into

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<v Speaker 1>the porn industry, did you have, like you said, your

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<v Speaker 1>personal boundaries and your boundaries, did you have things that

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<v Speaker 1>were set and did anything eventually lessen and you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I'll try that now, maybe you enjoy wait whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well starting stripping. I started stripping in a glhom city

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<v Speaker 2>and you cannot touch like you sit on your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>So like that was a big one to get used

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<v Speaker 2>to because I started after I turned twenty one because

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, And it's always just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>it all? Was it a rough shoot?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Because like you know, we go through the dews and

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<v Speaker 2>with and now like I used to say, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to say, please don't spit in my face.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, sir, I really appreciate it if during our work

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<v Speaker 1>day today you could just not spit in my face.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a oh man, look there's something hot

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<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, because I've had to explain that to you

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, okay, so no spit, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that, like you can just but it

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you have to turn the air condisctors

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<v Speaker 1>Of the buzz. So it was hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was sweating and he just but like I just

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, I spent the morning drinking coffee and orange juice

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<v Speaker 1>where it really just builds up. That is so horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>Look again, you know what's sex?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>You know plug flint mints amazing what if flint Miants do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So like a lot of like porn people use them.

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<v Speaker 2>When I see something interesting like that on Instagram, i'd'll

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<v Speaker 2>like DM them and be like, hey, like if you

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<v Speaker 2>send me some of your stuff, I'll try it out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like just disperse it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So Flintmants sent me like a huge box of these

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<v Speaker 2>things and they have different strengths and like I'm on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, antidepressants, so my mouth is dry, so like

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<v Speaker 2>during the scenes, I'm always like chewing on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have you always? Okay? Was it something before

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<v Speaker 1>stripping or was it stripping? What got That's brilliant business

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<v Speaker 1>sense right there? Personally, you know, I do that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when I do it the new with the interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>the new girls, I'll say, now is the time to

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<v Speaker 1>mention people you'd like to work with if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, okay, because you never knew who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to see it, who's going to do whatever. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>always have have that business sense a little bit? Or

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<v Speaker 1>did stripping and then camming kind of teach you what

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<v Speaker 1>goes into that. Uh both, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've always been pretty business minded about it because

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<v Speaker 2>this is a job and that's why I took it

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a job. But kind of realizing what

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<v Speaker 2>doors are open and what doors are shut based on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what I'm doing, my follower account, what my

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<v Speaker 2>branding is, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think your branding is right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Usually I'm on break right now, so I have some blue,

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<v Speaker 2>but usually you know, I do the very all American look.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, blonde.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've been on my Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>I trust me. I've been everywhere that you've been I've seen. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a creepy statement to make, but I'll say it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no idea. So I'm to the point now

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<v Speaker 2>where I get recognized in public. Okay, usually at airports.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was sitting at this tea bar once starting

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<v Speaker 2>with someone and U said something about my cat and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh, yeah, how is Cookie doing? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, you can see on his face

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<v Speaker 2>like she never told me Harcout's name.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how a thriller movie starts, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>and then by chance, oh you're both in the same aisle,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that weird. Yeah, what do you wish you had

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<v Speaker 1>more knowledge of before getting into actually shooting porn? Like again,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about your business sense was good and it

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<v Speaker 1>developed over time. But is there something if you could

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the beginning of shooting content where you go, listen, Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you're gonna want to do five years

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<v Speaker 1>from now, three years from now, whatever it is to

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<v Speaker 1>either to boost your business better to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>expand your horizons, to narrow your horizons. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>you would go back and tell yourself when you first

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<v Speaker 1>started shooting? You know there is, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I still wouldn't have done it. It's social media. I

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<v Speaker 2>hate social media. I don't have any personal social media

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've had a like agencies and uh like stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that says, just why aren't your numbers where they

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<v Speaker 2>need to be? Is because I don't want to fucking

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<v Speaker 2>tell the whole world that I had an egg and

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of Avocadi for breakfast, Like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>And yet no one cares? But then they're like, everyone cares.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that there are a group of people who

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<v Speaker 1>give a shit what you had for breakfast, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you post it topless, they'll sign up for it. Okay, yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you wish you had any skills that you had

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<v Speaker 1>developed before coming into this? Not so much knowledge, but

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<v Speaker 1>is there something again, not that you would go back

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<v Speaker 1>and tell yourself, but do you go, man, I wish

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<v Speaker 1>in my first year of shooting content, I may have

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<v Speaker 1>been better at this h stepping out bullshit and price negotiation,

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<v Speaker 1>pricing and good I never ask price. I never ask

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<v Speaker 1>any of that stuff because I think, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>no disrespect to you. I think if the audience heard

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<v Speaker 1>how little you get paid, they'd be the first scenes

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be. They'd be so depressed, like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it when they're like I jerked off to

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<v Speaker 2>you all day and then I'm like, oh, you should

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<v Speaker 2>grab something off my wishless then like to say thank

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<v Speaker 2>you and they're like, oh, but I watched your content

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<v Speaker 2>all day, Like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the outside perception is Sydney shows up for

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<v Speaker 1>her shoot. It's an hour long scene, so it takes

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and fifteen minutes. She gets paid between twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty thousand dollars as she leaves, and then never

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<v Speaker 1>touches her phone the rest of the night. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>know getting into this. Okay, so again you had stripped

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<v Speaker 1>and you had done this and that, did you know

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<v Speaker 1>getting into this industry? It would be as little to

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<v Speaker 1>do with you having sex with people on camera as

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did, actually Okay, most of my job is

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<v Speaker 2>back end. Yeah, like all have worked all day that

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<v Speaker 2>haven't said a word on social media, Like it's there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much back end. And then I was lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>be a camirl first, so hardware software, I got it, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I really want to hire someone. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I did hire someone for like a week to do

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<v Speaker 2>my only fans and I speak plainly, I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>would say. And my clients caught on immediately and I

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<v Speaker 2>had to fire them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you gotta do it. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, hey, sexy, like you're not sitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me see. I wrote down some other questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really want to get into the stuff we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about. Let me say, are you tied in

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like you're tied into any specific mitch

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<v Speaker 1>or your niche? Are you tied into a milf niche

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<v Speaker 1>at this point to like the average viewer, and do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any problem with that? Do you wish you

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<v Speaker 1>could be seen as anything different? No, milf is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I started like actual porn when I was thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were like, welcome to porn. You're everyone's mom,

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<v Speaker 2>like I occasionally get to be hot wife or like

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't some sort of position of power like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a teacher or a doctor or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, last one that I have written, like, we'll go,

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you ensure that your content aligns with

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<v Speaker 1>your authentic This sounds so stupid. I write these out

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm like smoking weed late at night, and I

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<v Speaker 1>go make it sound very professional to do it. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you ensure the content you create aligns with your

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<v Speaker 1>authentic self rather than just market demands or fuck it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're paying for it. Whatever the market needs. As long

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<v Speaker 1>as it's within my boundaries, I'll put it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>B Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney Page is a character that I created, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was created for you to like her.

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<v Speaker 1>Very fair, but she.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know that there are other things I could

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<v Speaker 2>do to make the character more likable, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it kind of in my realm. Sure, otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>I might go crazy. And I have seen people completely

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<v Speaker 2>lose themselves to characters, even with like voice pitch and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's weird to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Oh yeah that is. Yeah, it's a little strange

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<v Speaker 1>from the outside. If you see I.

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<v Speaker 2>Met I met one. She created her character, then she

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<v Speaker 2>became her character. She's very well off now and like retired,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe I should have done that, But she.

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<v Speaker 1>Did her voice as I can't did her voice change

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<v Speaker 1>after she retired then, Like, if you see her now,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, hey, how you doing, Sydney, what's going on? No,

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<v Speaker 1>she became the girl she created for life too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're a musician as well, right, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the first love by far?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been playing music all my life. My aunt

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<v Speaker 2>and uncles have a rock band. Like my whole family's musicians.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you can't play an instrument, you can paint

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<v Speaker 2>and right, like it's just a bunch of artists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. My dad cut down trees before he died,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom worked for the state, So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really get any of those good genes passed on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I didn't say they were good. We're artists, we're sad. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's fair. My wife is an artist. She's always quite sad.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, so that is that your first love? Obviously?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do you ever or do you do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever try and incorporate music into your content, either your

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<v Speaker 1>only fans or anything else we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we've done, like some TikTok videos. I was at

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<v Speaker 2>a shoot. One of the guys sat down and played

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<v Speaker 2>the piano and it was eleanor Rigby. So I started

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<v Speaker 2>singing elinor Rigby, and then the producer played guitar, and

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<v Speaker 2>like it became like just this jam session all of

424
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<v Speaker 2>a sudden. But I put it on TikTok. It's pretty cool,

425
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<v Speaker 2>and my mouth is like full of doughnut or muffin

426
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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

427
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<v Speaker 1>My wife and I own about six guitars. I can

428
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<v Speaker 1>only play the solo from smells like teen Spirit, And

429
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<v Speaker 1>that's about where it dies off. About the first thing

430
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<v Speaker 1>you learn, yep, just about not so much the power

431
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<v Speaker 1>chords with it. But you know, were you in a

432
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<v Speaker 1>collection of bands throughout your life or was it a solo?

433
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<v Speaker 1>I was in one band when I was in high school.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I was in an industrial Bandwise, it's.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Just been me hanging out make a noise. Did you

436
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<v Speaker 1>ever play any live shows. We played one at a

437
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<v Speaker 1>bowling alley. Very nice. Yeah, some big fat girl yelled

438
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<v Speaker 1>at me and I said, shut up, bitch, and I

439
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<v Speaker 1>got kicked back the stage.

440
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<v Speaker 2>My aunt and nucles they have recorded songs and they

441
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<v Speaker 2>play live and then I shoot their music videos because

442
00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I've got, like, you know, all this technoledge now, and

443
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<v Speaker 2>so that's pretty cool.

444
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<v Speaker 1>I liked.

445
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<v Speaker 2>I really up to you behind the camera when it

446
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<v Speaker 2>comes to music, Okay, Like I want to bring the

447
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<v Speaker 2>art to your sound.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any interest in being behind the camera

449
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<v Speaker 1>in the other industry you're very quite successful in. Do

450
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<v Speaker 1>you want to eventually grow into being a director like Fuller?

451
00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I already do that, Like with the girls, I mentor.

452
00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I also offer space. I've been a makeup artist, so

453
00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I'll do their makeup. Brand send me like lingerie and stuff.

454
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<v Speaker 1>So I give them that. They show me scripts. I

455
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<v Speaker 1>tell them, you know, this is three fetishes in one.

456
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<v Speaker 1>It could be three great videos instead of one long one.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Just all this stuff. So I am behind the camera

458
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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. Okay, all right, let me dive into it.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Some of the stuff you've been talking about recently online.

460
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important not just because my family

461
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<v Speaker 1>struggles with so much mental mental illness sounds rough? What

462
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:20.240
<v Speaker 1>do we say mental illness? Everyone's crazy in my house. Yeah,

463
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>we're a bunch of crazies. Sure, I'm positive. My mother

464
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.160
<v Speaker 1>is OCD. My brother died of a drug addiction. My

465
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<v Speaker 1>dad was a dry drunk who went to work on

466
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<v Speaker 1>my birthday three years ago and was killed at work.

467
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<v Speaker 1>My wife and I are both lexapro babies. You know

468
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<v Speaker 1>she's on there, you go, She's on a much higher

469
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<v Speaker 1>script than I am. But let me ask you, and

470
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<v Speaker 1>please stop me when it's uncomfortable, because I am, like

471
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<v Speaker 1>you said, I am.

472
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<v Speaker 5>I'm a blunt speaker. Okay, fair enough. It needs to

473
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<v Speaker 5>be talked about. That's why I talk about it so much.

474
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<v Speaker 5>And you know, people get this that I'm not hosting titties,

475
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<v Speaker 5>but it ain't.

476
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<v Speaker 1>For you home. Let me ask you when did you

477
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<v Speaker 1>when do you think the symptoms for whatever? Well? Can

478
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<v Speaker 1>I ask you? Are you diagnosed with anything? Is it

479
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<v Speaker 1>self diagnosed? No, I'm diagnosed.

480
00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I have a complex trauma disorder and an ADHD and

481
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<v Speaker 2>that comes along with panic attacks and depression and basically

482
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<v Speaker 2>are good.

483
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.680
<v Speaker 1>My brain is broken? Sure? Sure? And yeah, I'm sure

484
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.319
<v Speaker 1>social media and online and everything else really helps with

485
00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>that as well. I know I throw my phone and

486
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<v Speaker 1>I can't and I know I've spent the last ten years.

487
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD, but I can't read

488
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<v Speaker 1>a page anymore without getting down to the bottom and

489
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<v Speaker 1>going what the fuck did I read halfway up?

490
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<v Speaker 3>So?

491
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you get through a page in a book

492
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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, wait.

493
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<v Speaker 1>What did anyone say there? Yeah, let me go back,

494
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and then you never read it the right way again.

495
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<v Speaker 1>So I just gave up on books. Truthfully, when did

496
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<v Speaker 1>you When did you recognize you were having these problems

497
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that you have? And when do you think you actually

498
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<v Speaker 1>started to develop them? Like I can think back to

499
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>when I was eight years old and I knew I

500
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<v Speaker 1>felt not normal in terms of sadness. Yeah, and then

501
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't. I didn't find out about it. You know

502
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>what I may have had until fourteen fifteen sixteen? Do

503
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<v Speaker 1>you did you always have this feeling behind you know

504
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 1>what you have?

505
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 2>I kind of did. But my whole family depression runs

506
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<v Speaker 2>through all of us. And the saddest person I've ever

507
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<v Speaker 2>met in my life is my mother. And unfortunately I

508
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 2>got the silver model. So yeah, I've always kind of

509
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>like known and I like to be by myself. But

510
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 2>then around sixteen seventeen, I was like, something's like not right.

511
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<v Speaker 2>That was the first time I had a conversation with

512
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<v Speaker 2>a family member about like maybe I should be taking medication.

513
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:54.319
<v Speaker 2>And then they were like you need money for that,

514
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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, good point. So I started taking

515
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>medication when I was twenty three.

516
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<v Speaker 1>But this is depression that I have.

517
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>It is ever present, Like it's not something that comes

518
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 2>and goes, like I tell people you need to give me

519
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.200
<v Speaker 2>an orgasm and a million dollars, but there's like this

520
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 2>electric hum of just.

521
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I it's it's something just isn't sitting right. You look

522
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>around and everything is sitting right, and there's something in

523
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.400
<v Speaker 1>your head saying there's not There's something that's not there.

524
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like I say, it's like walking parallel to reality,

525
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Like I see it, I see what's supposed to be

526
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>happening here, and then like I'm not involved. But do

527
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 2>I want to be involved? Should I get involved? Or

528
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>should I just like stand over here like I'm just

529
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<v Speaker 2>gonna do whatever mine is.

530
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<v Speaker 1>Everything is firing on all cylinders. Shit's going great. My

531
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>wife is telling me, this is so great, You're doing

532
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.039
<v Speaker 1>such a great thing, great job, and just something pops

533
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 1>in where I go, and it's maybe this is trauma based,

534
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 1>but something pops in there. Are you sure I'm not

535
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<v Speaker 1>a piece of shit? I just I was again, and

536
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I was smoking a lot of weed the other day,

537
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.319
<v Speaker 1>and I start tearing up to her. I'm sorry to

538
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>admit this to my audience. I know you guys think

539
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big, cool, tough guy. I'm not, and I

540
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 1>never give that impression. I'm a bowl of jello. But

541
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 1>I said, she's buying like the cool girl attitude. I'm

542
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>just fucking sad. I'd go by angry and I hate everything,

543
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>but in a funny way, like you know, we'll watch

544
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a trailer in my wife O good, that doesn't look bad.

545
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, I fucking hate that. That looks terrible.

546
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 1>But it's something in my back of my head that

547
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>just goes you're wrong. No matter what question you ask yourself,

548
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong. You're wrong, You're wrong. Yes, is it right

549
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to do this shit? I feel happy about doing You're wrong. No,

550
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong, And it never goes away. It feels like right, yeah, present,

551
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 1>So what had uh? One one other thing and I

552
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<v Speaker 1>want to then I want to get into sorry. One

553
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>other thing I'd like to say, and then I'd like

554
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:55.519
<v Speaker 1>to get into you. Uh. I heard a Rogan interview

555
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.880
<v Speaker 1>a few years ago, and you know, anyone's opinion on

556
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan whatever it is. But the guest was very

557
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 1>interesting and he was talking that a lot of these

558
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>mental conditions that people have may not actually be and

559
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>this isn't to downplay it for you or for anyone else,

560
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>may not actually be as chemically driven as they are

561
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 1>trauma driven in our past. And I found so I

562
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>know about this.

563
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>What happens is parts of your brain and parts of

564
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the connections that are supposed to be made atrophy. So

565
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 2>at that point medication doesn't help anymore. And that's where

566
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm at. I quit taking my antidepressants some month or

567
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>so ago because I saw a doctor and he was

568
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>basically like, because I just brought a list because I'm

569
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in a new place, like about to scare the show

570
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.079
<v Speaker 2>out of this dude. And he was like, okay, so

571
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I like it's going going on this long, it's ever present,

572
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Like these parts of your brain have atrophy. What we

573
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 2>need to do is like regrow the connection. So now

574
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing ketamine imfusions.

575
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>So that's so scary to the outside person hearing that.

576
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Sorry to me, I'm not thrilled about it either.

577
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Might get to go once a week and chill out

578
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 2>and you know, put poison in my veins and be like,

579
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.440
<v Speaker 2>please be happy.

580
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So again me being just dumb outside. That's kenna means

581
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 1>a horse tranquilizer.

582
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an anesthetic.

583
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so talk me through it. You're going once

584
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 1>a week now if you're comfortable talking about it, and

585
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 1>how long does it take?

586
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So the full course of treatment for severe life threatening

587
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 2>treatment resistant depression is eight okay, and then after that,

588
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.039
<v Speaker 2>if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to

589
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>TMS with it, which is like the electricity, And then

590
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to ECT,

591
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 2>which is impatient where every couple of days they put

592
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you under and induce seizures to kind of just turn

593
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.319
<v Speaker 2>your brain off and back on again. And that's fucking terrifying,

594
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>very like it's been twenty years, more than twenty years, Like,

595
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>can make it stop?

596
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

597
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 3>Please?

598
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 1>If it's too personal, don't answer, and actually I don't

599
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 1>even need details if it's too personal at all. Do

600
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a the traumatic event that you think

601
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>may have triggered some of this in your life?

602
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, my childhood wasn't great, okay, and then you know

603
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the nature versus nurture thing, and you know the depression

604
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>runs through my family. I never said a freaking chance.

605
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 1>Sure, okay, fair enough, So you already had the genes

606
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>and then you went through a rough childhood as is. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I can you know, same thing with my wife, same

608
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>thing with me. You can kind of identify. I can't

609
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>identify one my probably can one exact moment. Yeah, I

610
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>we won't talk about it here.

611
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Those moments were like I'm one hundred percent sure that

612
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 2>this made it worse. Really yeah, Like there are there

613
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>are there are four traumatic events that have happened in

614
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>my adult life post eighteen life where I'm like, that

615
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 2>fucked it up, that fucked it up really bad.

616
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 1>What do you remember about? Not detailed? What do you

617
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 1>remember I remember this of those events, I have them

618
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in my head too. When I was about well.

619
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everything, I can smell it, I can hear it,

620
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I can see it, like my body goes full into it,

621
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll start panicking. But I'm just chilling on the couch.

622
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I park at the grocery store

623
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>most of the time, but I can recall those things.

624
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Like pull into the driveway and be like how did

625
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I get? But those on April seventeenth, two thousand and seven,

626
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I became.

627
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So how do we Is there a

628
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 1>way to not I don't want to say check this.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you. Is porn good or bad for

630
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 1>things like this people? It really depends on the person, gotcha? Okay,

631
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>So how do we assess that when it comes to

632
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 1>newer people coming into the industry.

633
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<v Speaker 2>First of all, if you have to do anything mind

634
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<v Speaker 2>altering to be at your scene, you need to leave.

635
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>If you ever have the I don't know if I

636
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 2>want to do this, leave it's not worth it, Go home,

637
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>right reevaluate?

638
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's just are we're talking boundaries thing? Or

639
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe ye or.

640
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, your agent's pushing you to do something,

641
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and you feel like there's a lot of like peer

642
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 2>pressure from you know, people's impositions of power, especially with

643
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 2>these young girls, and they don't really have the wherewithal

644
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>to be like no, right, absolutely because they like, maybe

645
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>it's right, maybe it's not, because they're still learning, they're

646
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>still like becoming grown ups, so it's not you know,

647
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>any faults of their own, but like if you have

648
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 2>a second thought, listen to it.

649
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Sure, And that that's kind of why mentorship is so important,

650
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>because so many of them don't know, don't know, like

651
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 1>like we said early on, right, sometimes it's a shitty

652
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>thing you got to do, but it's not outside of

653
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>your boundaries normally this guy's ugly. You know, you book

654
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>for the scene, do it.

655
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 2>But then I get paired with young girls a lot

656
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 2>because I'm mom and all. They'll like go boundaries and

657
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff with the director and everyone there, and then I'll

658
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>pull them into the bathroom and be like, okay, like

659
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I will not affect your job in any way, but like,

660
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 2>please tell me your real boundaries because I'm.

661
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Gonna get real creepy, real fast.

662
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>They teach them like the double tap thing, because there

663
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>was one girl I had to be kind of aggressive with.

664
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:18.759
<v Speaker 2>They had to lift her up and put her on

665
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>a counter, like sort of aggressive, and I was like,

666
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>if at any time I'm doing anything that you're not liking,

667
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 2>double tap me. And I will switch, gotcha, because they

668
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say no because they think it'll like

669
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>fuck their shit up, because you know, I have to

670
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>like poke and product them a little bit, like listen,

671
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>like I don't care, we're going to get this scene done.

672
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be comfortable, we're gonna get paid, We're gonna

673
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>get the fuck out of here.

674
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Have you had any pushback from any younger girls on that? No? No, okay, interesting,

675
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if sometimes they know more than you.

676
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>You know how younger people are sometimes like you do

677
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>this face? Oh okay, fair enough, you don't fuck with

678
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>this face? No, I wouldn't. I'm terrified doing this interview

679
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>right now. So have you gotten any I know, your

680
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>own break right now, But have you gotten any pushback

681
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>or anyone in the industry saying, hey, maybe don't discuss

682
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>industry wise. I understand fans are look, sure you don't.

683
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried about your electroshock therapy. But have you

684
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>gotten any pushback from the industry, like, hey, Sydney, maybe

685
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>dial it back just a little bit.

686
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>So by the time I started speaking about mental health,

687
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>it was not I've been speaking about it the whole time,

688
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>but like my personal struggles and stuff. It was last year,

689
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't have an agency anymore because

690
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, one on one is letting a rapist be

691
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>an agent and I'm not cool with that. I told

692
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I publicly told them to fuck often lose my number.

693
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>But at that point I was speaking with another fetish

694
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 2>model and I was like, I don't know how to

695
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like make this palatable, like what I need to say

696
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>that I need to take time off? And she was

697
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>just like, do you care about your job? Like do

698
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.079
<v Speaker 2>you care if you get like fired? And I was

699
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>just like so she was like, well, say all the

700
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.199
<v Speaker 2>things you need to say, then like just do it,

701
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 2>because like I like, if my entire career disappeared tomorrow,

702
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 2>like I'll find something else to do.

703
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in poverty. We'll figure it out. Do

704
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.559
<v Speaker 1>you think, what do you think? You would try and

705
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>say it goes away tomorrow, Mainstream call mister president. Mainstream

706
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 1>calls you up tomorrow and goes we will never book

707
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>another scene with you again, continue on as you please.

708
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Would it just be camming and only fans for a while?

709
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Would you go back to it?

710
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Was like that sounds like a personal challenge that sounds

711
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>like I need to start an agency.

712
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's a good point. You mentioned an agency in

713
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 1>there and issues. Again, I am not I'm not up

714
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to date on the behind the scenes of any of

715
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>these things, so I'm going to keep everything general if possible,

716
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and say this. I know a couple of weeks ago

717
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 1>a person, a performer was canceled somewhat quote unquote online Okay,

718
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I saw that if you were to have

719
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>had a good experien sperience with a performer, and then

720
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>it came out later that one person, not a plethora

721
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.119
<v Speaker 1>of people, but one person was like, no, this happened this.

722
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.079
<v Speaker 1>What is your personal opinion on that? Would you go

723
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 1>to that person and say what happened? The male in

724
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that case or both, what what happened? There?

725
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Would be willing to run on like how close we are?

726
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, people have different personalities, and I've seen

727
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 2>male talent and producers and directors treat other women very

728
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>differently than they treat me. And I'm not going to

729
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>discount anyone else's personal experience. Like again, I have this space,

730
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>so I don't get fucked with a lot, but I've

731
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>like I've seen it, and I've been like that's that, Okay,

732
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>don't do that right. So, like if he was a

733
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>really good because I had one, he wasn't getting canceled.

734
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But there was some drama between like this director and

735
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 2>another director, and I was like, I'm gonna hear them

736
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.639
<v Speaker 2>both out, like because I know both of you, and

737
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it just added up to be a bunch of like miscommunication,

738
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>nonsense and you know, territorial bullshit and whatever.

739
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 1>I saw. One woman was getting harassed because she was

740
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>still selling a video that she had with one of

741
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>these Yeah, and now again that that is like the

742
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 1>first time I've seen back room of a strip club

743
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>on porn Star Twitter where I'm like, oh, these people

744
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 1>are going at each other.

745
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>The only one that really bothered me is someone came

746
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 2>out and she posted this whole thing about like I'm

747
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 2>not gonna, you know, stand in line with you guys,

748
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not gonna like insolidarity. Like it was a

749
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>post that was like whoa yeah, where she basically said

750
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna do whatever I want to do and

751
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to like stand with victims.

752
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was just like, well, blot, oh my god,

753
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, I totally get that, and I feel that

754
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>way too. I think that's terrible. But the entire comment

755
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>section was like, girl, are you for real? And I

756
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>get that. I think that's just a dumb business decision,

757
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Like the money's in the women, you're gonna want to

758
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>say so if you had a great experience with a

759
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>guy and someone else had a bad one. It's almost like, hey,

760
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pretend like I wasn't on Twitter that day.

761
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Maybe if like, you know, if I have a gent

762
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. Yeah.

763
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I had to come out and say something similar to

764
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that because people were talking about Robert from one to one

765
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and I said something and I was like and people

766
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 2>were like, yeah, you know, stand with the victims, and

767
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I personally was not a victim. However,

768
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I do stand with you totally.

769
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think you know if I was. It's

770
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 1>so tough because that one that we talked about recently

771
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>was again in a positive way, not a negative way.

772
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>A pileon in a good way, like Pioleon sounds like

773
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad thing the way I'm using it. Oh yeah,

774
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 1>that sounds good. In foreign it's like everyone putting their

775
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>hands up, going, yes, I've had an experience like that.

776
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>As well. I've had it.

777
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes it takes someone saying you know this, and

778
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>you know there's a lot of coercion, and then like

779
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you're like, wait a minute, oh my god, that did

780
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.320
<v Speaker 2>happen to me? And you know, like it takes someone

781
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 2>saying something for other girls to kind of put two

782
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 2>and two together about like something they felt uneasy about.

783
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they may have felt uneasy, and then someone else

784
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>says they're not supposed to do that, and it clicks

785
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 1>in your head and go, well, shit, they did that

786
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>with me.

787
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Oh my god, I'm a victim too, like

788
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.800
<v Speaker 2>we need to stand together and stand against But then

789
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm I'm on the porn like WhatsApp like

790
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>where all the girls talk. So I do also see

791
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 2>where it can snowball into a dangerous place. Like if

792
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>we could all keep a cool, level head and keep

793
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 2>to facts, Yeah, that'd be great, Like put the pitch

794
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 2>forks down, h let's have dialogue.

795
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I think people that should be out of the industry

796
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 1>should be pushed and forced out of the industry. My

797
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>only concern is I've had one bad interview with the

798
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>porn so I've done one hundred and fifty of these.

799
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>And I won't name the lady, but she's a she's

800
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 1>a you know, older lady who's you know, worked in

801
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 1>the two thousands, and the whole episode she just bitched

802
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.119
<v Speaker 1>me about younger girls don't want to fucking work. They

803
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>all want to get paid, none of this, and that

804
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>they'll or no maybe it was, they'll do things for

805
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>free and this, and I get that, I get why

806
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a concern, but then don't sit there and bitch

807
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 1>to me the whole time about it and at the

808
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 1>end be like, and I can't figure out why I

809
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 1>can't get work anymore. It's like, I think you might

810
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>just have a bad attitude. So I start offering suggestions

811
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 1>again unprompted. I should have shut my fucking mouth, but

812
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.519
<v Speaker 1>I start going, you know, have you ever considered maybe

813
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.320
<v Speaker 1>this because she's not I don't know social media and

814
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know this.

815
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing with the like you know standing,

816
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, with the victims and stuff. That's it's also

817
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>a good business model because I get oust all the time,

818
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>like by directors and producers that are on friendly levels

819
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 2>with like hey, who around here should I hire?

820
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

821
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you should have it like this world's professional, like,

822
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say the girl who was like I

823
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>don't stand with victims, Like I'm not gonna not gonna

824
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>recommend you for shit.

825
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.320
<v Speaker 1>No, but and I can't recall who was and I

826
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't name them anyway, but that one person who they were, like,

827
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 1>this is my highest selling video and she wasn't like

828
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>some shit read Yeah I know, I know, I yeah,

829
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exactly who it was. But I think

830
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>to myself, I go, man, that really fucking sucks. You

831
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>either stand with your people and lose however much revenue

832
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's rent this month.

833
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.599
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a tough situation. No, no, okay, fair enough,

834
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 4>But it's your highest selling video.

835
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Cool.

836
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 2>It's also massively triggering and is going to take away

837
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 2>opportunities in the future. You're going to lose money keeping

838
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 2>that video up.

839
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, come out and be the good guy and say

840
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm deleting this video.

841
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, take it off, Say you took it off. Say

842
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't personally a victim. But hearing all these stories,

843
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I want to be associated with this.

844
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Again. I think from the outside, my biggest concern would

845
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>be imagine I go I stand with all these other

846
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>people and I will delete my videos and whatever. And

847
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 1>then it turns out like that guy, someone just had

848
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 1>one bad interaction with him and he ends up getting supported.

849
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>This is multiple They've been going on for a little bit.

850
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised it took this long to blow up.

851
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Actually totally. That seemed like it was a case of

852
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a rough performer and maybe they didn't stay within boundaries.

853
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Was that kind of the situation.

854
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you know, you can withdraw consent and

855
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 2>that was the complaint of like two or three of

856
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>the girls, is you know they withdrew consent and then

857
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the performer kept going.

858
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Again, I don't want to challenge that face of yours,

859
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>but let me ask you how the business like in

860
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a nice way, because you're you know, how does the

861
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>business work if you were halfway through filming a scene

862
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 1>they've agreed to pay for I don't know what they

863
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>even pay for, travel, hotel, anything like that, and you

864
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.760
<v Speaker 1>withdraw consent? What is the what is the business aspect

865
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 1>of that?

866
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Like?

867
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Again, everyone works differently, but what would you expect if

868
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 4>I withdraw consent? I I'm probably uncomfortable enough and pissed

869
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 4>off enough that I don't really care about the money,

870
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.039
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm out.

871
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough. I get that there should be some

872
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>at least travel and hotel should at least be covered.

873
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's generally like already been covered.

874
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Like if you're already like out there

875
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and then you're in the hotel, you've already flown out there.

876
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 2>But like I mean, get on Twitter, find someone else

877
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 2>to work lists, I mean, just talk to people.

878
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Does this answer my question I was gonna ask? Has

879
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>porn benefited or been negative for your your mental health?

880
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Mental health? Don't say mental illness, mental health beneficial? Is

881
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that why you're taking a break? Do you need to

882
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 1>see if this is a negative for you, you know,

883
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 1>on the whole.

884
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm taking the break because ketemine infusions are rough,

885
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm really focusing on self care. I'm really focusing

886
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>on my physical health. Has nothing to do with work.

887
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm still I picked up a show the

888
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 2>other day because someone wanted to show Like I'm still

889
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of doing stuff, but like my main focus right

890
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>now needs to be myself.

891
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And are you gonna go down that full path

892
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>we discussed earlier with checking in electrocuting your head to

893
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>seizure all those pleasant things.

894
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if what I'm doing doesn't work, and try something else.

895
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 2>And if that doesn't work, we're trying something else.

896
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Because honestly, what's the difference If you're not comfortable sitting

897
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.039
<v Speaker 1>around talking being yourself? Who fucking cares what job you have,

898
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:30.639
<v Speaker 1>what anything else? It doesn't matter.

899
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Like being as sex workers allowed me to afford these things,

900
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 2>So like it's been great. There are definitely days where

901
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is negative my mental health for sure,

902
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>But then like I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't

903
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 2>have been able to afford antidepressants, wouldn't have andon with Pineapple,

904
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Like I helped Lay when she was setting that up.

905
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 2>We did like podcasts and stuff. They've been there for me,

906
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Like I have a lot of resources now and a

907
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 2>great support network because of sex work.

908
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I kind of know, but can you explain the audience

909
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 1>what is Pineapple exactly?

910
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 2>So Pineapple it is mental health care for sex workers.

911
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>So personally, I have been fired by a therapist because

912
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>of my job because he was like, all your problems

913
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>are your job, and I'm like, this is how I'm

914
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 2>paying you and it's absolutely not. So it's like people

915
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.880
<v Speaker 2>that they have listeners so if you just need to

916
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>vent and then they can hook you up with therapists.

917
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>They've hooked me up with a psychologist recently because the

918
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 2>thing has got a little bad. And then there's also

919
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Cupcake Girls, which is another they do group and things

920
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like that like addiction therapy, like just you know, getting

921
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff together. They are like awesome organizations and they're completely

922
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.639
<v Speaker 2>like run by given money by charity, so they're at

923
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>all the conventions and like they're there like spin the

924
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Wheel and you know, they have an inflatable couch that

925
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>all the porn stars signed to like raffle Off and

926
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff like it's really great and it's not really taking

927
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 2>money from anyone. And it's also sliding scale, so like

928
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're like I'm depressed as shit and broke, like

929
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 2>they can still help you, like just you know, lay

930
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 2>it all out for them. Well, if they have a

931
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>donation link, I'll put a link to that in the

932
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 2>episode description as well. If you're listening or watching this

933
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>right now, you do want to contribute to that. Pineapple

934
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 2>is fantastic and the one the girl who runs it,

935
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the girl who found it. She's also amazing, and like

936
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>it's worldwide and you know, some of their biggest contributors

937
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 2>are like Streammate and like cams dot com and stuff

938
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 2>like that. So like we're all kind of coming together

939
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>for that because if we feel healthy and we're happier

940
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 2>because we have to be on for everybody, everyone makes

941
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>more money.

942
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and you feel better. Yeah. You know, if

943
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you're happy, you're gonna film more scenes. You're going to

944
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 1>be more energetic during that.

945
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

946
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I doubt it. You probably put on a performance no

947
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>matter how you're feeling that day. I assume, right, sometimes

948
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard. Yeah. Oh yeah, okay, let me let

949
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 1>me donut hold this back around. I think that's a

950
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 1>radio turn back to some of the content in the beginning.

951
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 1>All right, do you think you have a definitive scene

952
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.119
<v Speaker 1>that if someone was like, I'd love to see your work, Sidney,

953
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 1>you go right there. Check out that one. No.

954
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I so this is a weird fact. I have never

955
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 2>seen any of your porn.

956
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Huh, how does that work? I understand it. I have

957
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to actually edit this with my audio turned off. I

958
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>said it to make sure that an embarrassment can't do it.

959
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't do it.

960
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I see the people post gifts and I'll like

961
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>repost them, but I've never like I've gotten fan mail

962
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>like I loved you and this, this sist and this

963
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and their titles. I don't know what the fucking times

964
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 2>of the studios are.

965
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute. I saved the

966
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>title just because I thought it was the most ridiculous

967
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>fucking thing I'd ever heard. Is it the dick talking one? No,

968
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it's frum. It's from one of your MILF scenes. Okay.

969
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>The title on IAFD, which is the Internet Adult Film Database,

970
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 1>which you know what. Let's do a thing I do

971
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 1>called stat check first. Okay, this is just using the

972
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Internet Adult Film Database. It's basically to track the progress.

973
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Now it doesn't include the fifty scenes you did over

974
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 1>here and the two hundred you did for of and

975
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 1>this and that. The numbers are wrong. Every time I

976
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 1>present that, the woman I'm interviewing goes like this, Okay, good,

977
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the numbers are wrong. I lay out the numbers and

978
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>they go those are wrong. I go, yeah, no, I know,

979
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I gotcha, Mike.

980
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I've personally emailed them once because like every single thing

981
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 2>was wrong on the page.

982
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's check the MENA scenes I have is one

983
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty four male performers you've worked with, fifty

984
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:40.079
<v Speaker 1>seven female performers. You've worked with fifty four. It lists

985
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 1>you as a nominee for an award, but I only

986
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.559
<v Speaker 1>do avn It seems like the easiest way to check it.

987
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Do I see zero noms and zero wins, no wins,

988
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 1>but I've been nominated. I've been nominated, okay, one time,

989
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.119
<v Speaker 1>two times to any idea, Oh bunch, okay, all right,

990
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll make sure that's fixed up. I don't keep it up.

991
00:47:58.360 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't go to the shows.

992
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Like like when I still had an agent, she was like,

993
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 2>you're going to ABM this year and you're going to

994
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>sign And I was like, I don't understand my fingers

995
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 2>on cardoor and she didn't think that was funny.

996
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I like to bring we wear in New Jersey, so

997
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 1>I like to go to Exotica and I bring my wife.

998
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 1>And my wife is my producer, but she's Danella, she's

999
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>an artist.

1000
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>She basically got They paid for me to go to

1001
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey in twenty nineteen because I was one of

1002
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the trophy girls for the Ink Towards.

1003
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, did you like it? Did it smell

1004
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 1>like an oram pit?

1005
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 2>The thing was is, I was fucking nobody at the time,

1006
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 2>and it was me and Lauren Phillips and then small

1007
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Hands and uh ashit, I'm blinking on her name Joe

1008
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Milana Angel. Yeah, so it was us for you know

1009
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>them super famous me. The guy's name is Dick. That

1010
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.320
<v Speaker 2>was like just doing all this stuff. And he was

1011
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>just like, I saw you on cam and I really

1012
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>liked you. I thought you had all this stuff. And

1013
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, like, I'm fucking nobody on this stage.

1014
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 2>A bit cool.

1015
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I let me tell you though. I interviewed Brandon McKenna

1016
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>early on in her career, who is a great performer,

1017
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 1>and I went to go meet her at Exotica with

1018
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 1>my wife. I do a little like the thumbnail I make.

1019
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I just want you to throw a signature on it

1020
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 1>so I can hang up. And she turns around. She

1021
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>almost teared up. She's like, you came here to see me.

1022
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're the store here. What are you

1023
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about? That happens? That happens to me.

1024
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>The first time I went to AVNN, I wasn't signing

1025
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 2>or anything. I just went to like hang out and

1026
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.679
<v Speaker 2>people were like, oh, sit in Paige. And then like

1027
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 2>right after COVID it was like Exotica expis or something

1028
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 2>in Miami and I had a hat on, a mask on,

1029
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 2>and I was walking and someone yelled my name and

1030
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like.

1031
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding?

1032
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Now?

1033
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that cool? Incognito mode? Is that cool? Or is

1034
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:48.639
<v Speaker 1>that not cool? It's fine.

1035
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 2>It was just weird, okay, fair enough, Like especially when

1036
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 2>I started getting fan mail, like like papers with stamps,

1037
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 2>like there's logistics to go through, Like it's just very

1038
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:01.760
<v Speaker 2>very odd.

1039
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Sure. Sure. The title for this milk scene, according to

1040
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the Internet Adult Film Database is anal Auntie's Escapades. Now

1041
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Speaker 1>do you remember shooting anal Auntie's Escapades? Do you know

1042
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 1>who you filmed it with? Was it NICKI Rebel? No,

1043
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 1>it was Ryan King. I believe Ryan King? Oh yep,

1044
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I do? I do? I know? Yeah, Jay Rock Shurrett

1045
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 1>did that. Okay, Yeah it was Uh. It was the

1046
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>first ridiculous title I saw pop up there and I

1047
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>went home. Yeah, I had to do.

1048
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 2>So during that scene, he's out, my nephew is out,

1049
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and I have to like send like sexy snaps with like,

1050
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have to put the words in there,

1051
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.199
<v Speaker 2>like Auntie's waiting for you, and I still have those

1052
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.360
<v Speaker 2>in my phone. Like if anyone gets ahold of my phone,

1053
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna be like, what the fuck do you have?

1054
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>The camera had to show what was on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you question and then we're gonna wrap

1056
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>this up soon. But do you have any moral objection

1057
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 1>to anything that is in the norm as far as

1058
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>mainstream goes? No, you're acting right.

1059
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's partly because I don't have kids,

1060
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Speaker 2>fair enough. I just I don't have that connection.

1061
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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha?

1062
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Because when I first started, they were like, we can

1063
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 2>make you the ant and I was like, what's the

1064
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>difference and they were like, mom sells more and I

1065
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>was like, well get a mom, then.

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00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair.

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00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe if you had started as little sister and worked

1069
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 1>up and then either had nephews or nieces or whatever,

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00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 1>you might go h just wondering, just wondering. We've had

1071
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a really good discussion about newer people coming in. So

1072
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 1>this is a question I posed to everyone, and I

1073
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>am shocked by the answer most of the time. What

1074
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>is the eight? Because there. There's a whole bunch of

1075
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 1>different ways to go around it. There's Devil's advocates, there's

1076
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, what is the age that women should be

1077
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>able to get into porn? And then I'll throw a

1078
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 1>million Devil's advocates at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think eighteen is too young. I would say

1080
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<v Speaker 2>probably twenty one.

1081
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<v Speaker 1>So I've interviewed plenty of people, a lot of girls

1082
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>who started at eighteen. They all say twenty one.

1083
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I started. I started three days after my ageent birthday.

1084
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, to be fair, you have the anecdotal, not evidence,

1085
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the anecdotal cases where it's the sixteen year old girl

1086
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 1>got kicked out of her house, jumped on couches for

1087
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>two years. She's eighteen, Now, shouldn't she be able she

1088
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.760
<v Speaker 1>could go fight in a war overseas or you know,

1089
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 1>be executed in the electric chair. Shouldn't she be able

1090
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to do this? No? I was a survival sex worker. Sure.

1091
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I needed the money, sure, and like, because I do

1092
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 2>think about that, like, you know, if that wasn't available

1093
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 2>to me, like those because in those three years I

1094
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>started dancing, Like I got my awn apartment, I bought

1095
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 2>a car. I was able to you know, focus more

1096
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>on college, Like I did so much stuff, but like

1097
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.159
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing we don't understand. And then like I

1098
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of like went on a better path than some

1099
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.960
<v Speaker 2>of the others I've seen. There was a girl that

1100
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I worked with who was eighteen, who was still in

1101
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 2>high school, and you know, three months later when she's

1102
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>ready to graduate, she looks completely different and has an

1103
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 2>oxy addiction. Yeah, okay, but like, yeah, you need a

1104
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.039
<v Speaker 2>little but this goes. I don't think it's about age.

1105
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's about situation, like maybe you should have

1106
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.159
<v Speaker 2>had better parents.

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00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know. And it's about maturity too, because I've

1108
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 1>met nineteen year olds who blow these forty year olds

1109
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 1>out of the water in terms of maturity. So it's

1110
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>always tough. We kind of came to this consensus, and

1111
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you would sign off on this, just

1112
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>say we're not going to be able to get it

1113
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>out entirely. Yeah, what about from eighteen to twenty one?

1114
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You can have a solo only fans account only. You

1115
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 1>cannot shoot mainstream, you cannot shoot with a mail. They

1116
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>won't upload it, they won't take it. What And then

1117
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 1>once you've been in and understand it more than just

1118
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 1>dipped your toe. You've actually learned the social media aspect,

1119
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 1>you know about the stuff going on behind the scenes

1120
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty one hits. Now you can go shoot your first

1121
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, double anal gangbangs if you'd like, yeah,

1122
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's fine.

1123
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<v Speaker 2>I kind of got training rules too, because I started,

1124
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, eighteen to twenty one Oklahoma and no contact.

1125
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 1>It was a beer bar.

1126
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Like you couldn't serve alcohol the twenty one year olds

1127
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>on the premises, so it was beer. So like I

1128
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>training willed into it too, okay, but I still wasn't ready.

1129
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, And I've met some thirty five year olds

1130
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 1>who weren't ready when they got into this, So it's

1131
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 1>always tough. I'm in agreement with you that I think

1132
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty one is probably better. You don't want to make

1133
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a string of mistakes at eighteen that you'll eventually overcome

1134
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and whatever.

1135
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think you should be on camera. For

1136
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>those I would go and get a titty bar, like,

1137
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 2>don't be on maybe don't fuck up on camera.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not to follow you for the rest your life.

1139
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 4>It's not a terrible idea. I don't dislike that, like

1140
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<v Speaker 4>until you're twenty one, No cameras, Ladies and gentlemen, I

1141
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 4>guess tonight, Sydney Page. You know exactly where you can

1142
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 4>find her at. Sydney Page links to all of our

1143
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 4>social media in the episode description below. Remember it's Monday,

1144
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 4>you don't have any money, you're broke. You have to

1145
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 4>at least follow her on Twitter, okay, Instagram, anywhere else

1146
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:25.519
<v Speaker 4>she is on social media.

1147
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Friday rolls around. Your kid is like, oh, I need

1148
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the payments for my braces. You tell them next week. Okay,

1149
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 1>next week, because I have something to go, sign up

1150
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for it. Get out of here. Yeah, try a liquid diet, sweetie. Okay,

1151
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 1>there you go, there you go. Made her gag. I

1152
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 1>have done interviews with Sarah Jay, someone else, and you

1153
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.840
<v Speaker 1>now where I wait to make a joke until they're

1154
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>drinking something. And now I can claim at every airport,

1155
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>when I'm waiting for you to walk up, I can

1156
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>go I made her gag and no one will understand

1157
00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the context of that whatsoever.

1158
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<v Speaker 2>I love when I get recognize at the airport and

1159
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 2>you guys walking with his wife and kids and goes,

1160
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ladies.

1161
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<v Speaker 1>And gentlemen, Sidney Page, Sidney, thank you, so much. I

1162
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 1>really do appreciate not just what you're doing to help

1163
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 1>your own self in this, but how much you're doing

1164
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>for other people. I would say, as long as it's

1165
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.119
<v Speaker 1>not affecting your money, keep putting it out there because

1166
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>they're such great stories, and you know, the mental health stuff,

1167
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the mental illness, the crazy stuff is so important to

1168
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 1>get out there.

1169
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:34.280
<v Speaker 2>It really is, so I mean, even if it does

1170
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 2>affect my money a little bit, Like, it's the truth.

1171
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Like the conversation I had with the girl that was, like,

1172
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 2>how do I make it palatable? Just like it's the truth.

1173
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Just tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet Yeah, Sidney Page, thank you so much for coming

1175
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<v Speaker 1>on with me, no problem, Thank you,
