Speaker 1: Sydney Page my guest for the evening. You know exactly
Speaker 1: where you can find her at Sydney Page links all
Speaker 1: of our social media in the episode description below. Please
Speaker 1: make sure, at the bare minimum you follow these folks
Speaker 1: on social media, bump those numbers up, and then when
Speaker 1: payday rolls around, hey, you know where to go. Links
Speaker 1: everything in the episode description Sidney, it is a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on tonight. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me. Let me ask you what might seem like
Speaker 1: a dumb question, but the breadth or whatever that word
Speaker 1: is of your career. What do you consider your job
Speaker 1: title to be?
Speaker 2: I am a defrocked physical excitement engineer.
Speaker 1: Okay, I read that on your Twitter. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean?
Speaker 2: That means that I take my clothes off and do
Speaker 2: stuff that you like?
Speaker 1: Fair enough?
Speaker 2: I mean, or I'm your naked therapist.
Speaker 1: Either way, that's a nice one too. I like on
Speaker 1: what kind of day we were happened? Man? Again, I
Speaker 1: interviewed someone earlier and we were talking about her only fans,
Speaker 1: and she said, one time I was bringing in groceries
Speaker 1: and I just did it topless and I put it
Speaker 1: on my only fans and everyone was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: should do more of that. So many girls in this
Speaker 1: industry I feel like, could just do like day in
Speaker 1: and day out stuff and as long as you pop
Speaker 1: them titties out, guys will be like, yeah, I'll pay
Speaker 1: for that. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my like my third top selling video of
Speaker 2: all time since twenty sixteen is me washing my hair.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, these beautiful hair. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: I would play it was it.
Speaker 2: Was platinum back then it was blonde. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: just me washing my hair talk through video of all time.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's so strange what people will
Speaker 1: like and what they don't, And as long as it's
Speaker 1: not destructive, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't have a shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not hurting yourself or anyone else,
Speaker 2: turn the camera on. Let's go.
Speaker 1: There you go. So let me ask you. Let's say
Speaker 1: the boring stuff and cleared out of the way, not
Speaker 1: boring necessarily, But how did you initially decide to get
Speaker 1: into the adult entertainment industry? What was the crossover from
Speaker 1: quote unquote vanilla normal life too, let's do something different.
Speaker 2: So on April seventeenth, Wow. Two thousand and seven, I
Speaker 2: decided that I was tired of going to high school
Speaker 2: and college at the same time and working two jobs.
Speaker 2: So I've got I found an ad in the newspaper
Speaker 2: and started it like this really shitty strip club and
Speaker 2: then yeah, and then they were like what are you
Speaker 2: doing at this strip club? And then I went to
Speaker 2: the nicer strip club and it all just kind of
Speaker 2: my whore bingo card is filled out.
Speaker 1: I've done it all. It's so funny. Even the club recognized, like,
Speaker 1: sen here too too good for this place, So what
Speaker 1: are you doing? So how did the girls that the
Speaker 1: managers went to them and go, you're just in the
Speaker 1: right place. How did they feel to that? Like did
Speaker 1: they try and make the jump or no?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Just like people just kept asking me,
Speaker 2: why aren't you at this? You know, and it's okay
Speaker 2: in the city there's not you know, big clubs, but
Speaker 2: they're just like, why are you not at this one? Like, oh, well, yess,
Speaker 2: I'll go stop by.
Speaker 1: Okay, when you were dancing, do you remember your most
Speaker 1: successful night and is there any interesting story behind it?
Speaker 1: Like a big german bachelor party comes in something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I danced for eight years, and I did travel dancing,
Speaker 2: so I have quite a few. I have one that's
Speaker 2: real fun. I worked at Scores in Baltimore. Okay, and
Speaker 2: the night that Michael Phelps got his GUI, guess where
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: Scores in Baltimore. I would assume he yah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was up there. That's so yeah. That okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's a good one. Now was
Speaker 1: he paying for lamp dances or I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I usually don't like when femalest people don't
Speaker 2: come into the club. I'm not saying all of them,
Speaker 2: but like when they do, they don't really like it's
Speaker 2: an experience thing and they kind of want stuff for free.
Speaker 2: So like all the girls like will flock to them.
Speaker 2: So I'll go hang out with the other people that
Speaker 2: are getting ignored.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Go yeah, yeah, I have I
Speaker 1: have a fan question for you here, and I hope
Speaker 1: you'll take it as the joke. It is instride. It's
Speaker 1: from Brandon Brown. Hi, I want to become a porn
Speaker 1: star and trying to figure out how to get into
Speaker 1: the porn industry. How many fucking emails do you get
Speaker 1: every day? No one today.
Speaker 2: I got one today and I told him I would
Speaker 2: ant I would give him the step by step for
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well that ruins my bit I was gonna.
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would go, I hated, and then
Speaker 1: I would go, let's just make the definitive guide right here.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you from the outside perspective what I
Speaker 1: would say. I would say, Start building your social media profile. Okay,
Speaker 1: learn correct grammar in your emails, and how to reach
Speaker 1: out to people, how to do it, how to take
Speaker 1: a photo photos of yourself, you know the ones you
Speaker 1: see and like casting stuff side by side this here's
Speaker 1: and not just what do you think of my dick?
Speaker 1: Can I do porn? Thank you? Okay, So set up
Speaker 1: your profile, establish yourself in the world. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: maybe find other newer content creators, work with them, try
Speaker 1: and work with them, present yourself PROFI.
Speaker 2: Don't be picky, because I know some people who have
Speaker 2: gotten like started kind of like that and have gotten bigger.
Speaker 2: But at the beginning, you're not gonna screw like Sophia Locke.
Speaker 2: You just like showed up. Sure, that's not gonna happen. Like,
Speaker 2: so it's just whoever's around you and body types and
Speaker 2: like you know, skin color, like whatever it is. You
Speaker 2: got to get that video out.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, is that that same piece
Speaker 1: of advice? Okay, and this may be totally going to
Speaker 1: be different, but does that somewhat also apply to females
Speaker 1: coming into the industry in this sense if they're trying
Speaker 1: to be independent. I interview a lot of newer girls
Speaker 1: on my show as well, Like I have a split
Speaker 1: show and a lot of them. You could you can
Speaker 1: tell the ones that are gonna make it, and then
Speaker 1: you could tell the ones who want to make some
Speaker 1: money in this, want to do whatever. But it's everything
Speaker 1: by my own way, which I respect, right, I get that,
Speaker 1: But you've got to be malleable.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there are hard boundaries that you should not cross.
Speaker 2: I've walked off set just been like nope. But like
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to be like, okay, as long as
Speaker 2: it's not harmful. It's just like somebody wasn't really planning
Speaker 2: on doing today.
Speaker 1: Sure, not exactly, not destructive, not harmful, not someone untested
Speaker 1: something like that, but like, I don't know, this guy
Speaker 1: has kind of a gross hair lip, but his dick
Speaker 1: looks fine. It might have to do it today, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, this is was was anyone a mentor to
Speaker 1: you when you got into this industry or did you
Speaker 1: know have you gained any mentors as you've been in it?
Speaker 2: No? Actually, and since I started stripping, then camming and
Speaker 2: fetish than porn. So what I do now is I mentor?
Speaker 1: That was what I was going to ask. Are you
Speaker 1: mentored because you're now knowledgeable on it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I've got a whole, you know, gaggle of models. I
Speaker 2: just recently helped a bunch of models to get like
Speaker 2: their pictures for a BM to have signed, hooking them
Speaker 2: up with photographers, helping them design business cards, this and that.
Speaker 2: There's one girl where you know, she's twenty four to
Speaker 2: twenty five, but like the biggest thing is either young
Speaker 2: or milf, and she looks young. So I was like
Speaker 2: really kind of lean into that. But like it's like
Speaker 2: walking through a field and you know where the land
Speaker 2: mines are, Just tell them it's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so weird. There's a weird dichotomy.
Speaker 1: Because I hear strip clubs the back room is very competitive,
Speaker 1: very a little bit cutthroat. It can be. I guess
Speaker 1: it depends on the club. I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: horror stories of girls who used to strip and say,
Speaker 1: you know that's my client over there, don't go near them.
Speaker 1: This and that. Yeah, that does happen. But I also
Speaker 1: have heard that there are mentors kind of in the
Speaker 1: strip game. A girl teach you how to do this,
Speaker 1: show you how to do this. Yet when you go
Speaker 1: on Twitter and you look at porn star Twitter, everything's
Speaker 1: so nice. It doesn't seem as competitive until like someone
Speaker 1: gets canceled or something like that. Then that's just that's
Speaker 1: just the front room. See, and maybe that's it, that's
Speaker 1: the front room, but it doesn't a lot of interviews
Speaker 1: I do a lot of people say no, I didn't
Speaker 1: really have a mentor. I didn't have someone that show
Speaker 1: me how to do this.
Speaker 2: Now so I and I realize that, and now that
Speaker 2: I've got, you know, all of the information, like there's
Speaker 2: nothing you can do in sex work, but I haven't
Speaker 2: done or been adjacent to, so I just try to
Speaker 2: help out.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, do you have anyone under your wing
Speaker 1: currently that you can see and recognize like like, yes,
Speaker 1: she'll make it in this industry, But is there anyone
Speaker 1: you look at and go and I'm not asking you
Speaker 1: to name them necessarily, but superstar status. I see superstar
Speaker 1: status in this person.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say superstar yet that she's going to do
Speaker 2: real well, okay. And she's one of the girls I
Speaker 2: helped design, you know, the like her pictures to sign
Speaker 2: it ab in and I was telling her like that,
Speaker 2: this is the kind of paper it needs to be on,
Speaker 2: and this and that, and she sent me a bunch
Speaker 2: of photos and I was like, it's going to be
Speaker 2: this one making eye contact like it's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And there's another one who I absolutely adore. And she's
Speaker 2: going to be really, really great in for right now
Speaker 2: the fetish and amateur scene. She's going to blow it
Speaker 2: up in like the next year and we'll see where
Speaker 2: she goes from there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I will ask that name off camera
Speaker 1: because you never know, she might quit tomorrow and then
Speaker 1: we all look foolish. Who knows when you came into
Speaker 1: the porn industry, did you have, like you said, your
Speaker 1: personal boundaries and your boundaries, did you have things that
Speaker 1: were set and did anything eventually lessen and you know
Speaker 1: you're like, I'll try that now, maybe you enjoy wait whatever,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Well starting stripping. I started stripping in a glhom city
Speaker 2: and you cannot touch like you sit on your hands.
Speaker 2: So like that was a big one to get used
Speaker 2: to because I started after I turned twenty one because
Speaker 2: of the laws. I started dancing in Dallas, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, he has his hands on
Speaker 2: her hips. That's crazy. It's just kind of like the
Speaker 2: new normal, and like am I okay with that? Like
Speaker 2: like it's fine if he puts his hands there, like whatever, sure,
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, And it's always just kind of
Speaker 2: been like okay because when I by the time I
Speaker 2: finally got to porn after like fetish and camming and stuff,
Speaker 2: was just sure, there's only one thing that's happened on
Speaker 2: a porn set where like instead of saying cut, I
Speaker 2: just looked at him and said dude, because he just
Speaker 2: like he spit in my face. Like was that planned
Speaker 2: it all? Was it a rough shoot?
Speaker 1: No? Okay?
Speaker 2: Because like you know, we go through the dews and
Speaker 2: don'ts with each other and like get to know each
Speaker 2: other and get to know it, you know, we're comfortable
Speaker 2: with and now like I used to say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm fine with everything that I'm being paid for, which
Speaker 2: means like no anal unless that's on the on the ticket.
Speaker 3: Bit.
Speaker 2: Now I have to say, please don't spit in my face.
Speaker 1: Hey, sir, I really appreciate it if during our work
Speaker 1: day today you could just not spit in my face.
Speaker 1: And it was a oh man, look there's something hot
Speaker 1: about you know, if two girls or if the girl's
Speaker 1: really into it, a nice watery spit. I don't mind seeing.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, because I've had to explain that to you
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, so no spit, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, like you can just but it
Speaker 2: was like and it was also a shoot house in Miami,
Speaker 2: and you know you have to turn the air condisctors
Speaker 2: off like because.
Speaker 1: Of the buzz. So it was hot.
Speaker 2: Everyone was sweating and he just but like I just
Speaker 2: looked at him and was like, dude, I feel like
Speaker 2: the like director was just like.
Speaker 1: Nope, I spent the morning drinking coffee and orange juice
Speaker 1: where it really just builds up. That is so horrendous.
Speaker 1: Look again, you know what's sex?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 2: You know plug flint mints amazing what if flint Miants do.
Speaker 2: So there are these Mints. It's this company that came
Speaker 2: out and they make you salivate.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of like porn people use them.
Speaker 2: When I see something interesting like that on Instagram, i'd'll
Speaker 2: like DM them and be like, hey, like if you
Speaker 2: send me some of your stuff, I'll try it out,
Speaker 2: you know, like just disperse it.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: So Flintmants sent me like a huge box of these
Speaker 2: things and they have different strengths and like I'm on,
Speaker 2: you know, antidepressants, so my mouth is dry, so like
Speaker 2: during the scenes, I'm always like chewing on them.
Speaker 1: Do you have you always? Okay? Was it something before
Speaker 1: stripping or was it stripping? What got That's brilliant business
Speaker 1: sense right there? Personally, you know, I do that sometimes
Speaker 1: when I do it the new with the interviews with
Speaker 1: the new girls, I'll say, now is the time to
Speaker 1: mention people you'd like to work with if you want
Speaker 1: to do that, okay, because you never knew who's going
Speaker 1: to see it, who's going to do whatever. Did you
Speaker 1: always have have that business sense a little bit? Or
Speaker 1: did stripping and then camming kind of teach you what
Speaker 1: goes into that. Uh both, Okay.
Speaker 2: Like I've always been pretty business minded about it because
Speaker 2: this is a job and that's why I took it
Speaker 2: because it was a job. But kind of realizing what
Speaker 2: doors are open and what doors are shut based on
Speaker 2: you know, what I'm doing, my follower account, what my
Speaker 2: branding is, et cetera.
Speaker 1: What do you think your branding is right now?
Speaker 2: Usually I'm on break right now, so I have some blue,
Speaker 2: but usually you know, I do the very all American look.
Speaker 1: Okay, blonde.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been on my Twitter.
Speaker 1: I trust me. I've been everywhere that you've been I've seen. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a creepy statement to make, but I'll say it anyway.
Speaker 2: You have no idea. So I'm to the point now
Speaker 2: where I get recognized in public. Okay, usually at airports.
Speaker 2: But I was sitting at this tea bar once starting
Speaker 2: with someone and U said something about my cat and
Speaker 2: he was like, oh, yeah, how is Cookie doing? And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you can see on his face
Speaker 2: like she never told me Harcout's name.
Speaker 1: That is how a thriller movie starts, by the way,
Speaker 1: and then by chance, oh you're both in the same aisle,
Speaker 1: isn't that weird. Yeah, what do you wish you had
Speaker 1: more knowledge of before getting into actually shooting porn? Like again,
Speaker 1: we talked about your business sense was good and it
Speaker 1: developed over time. But is there something if you could
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning of shooting content where you go, listen, Sydney,
Speaker 1: this is what you're gonna want to do five years
Speaker 1: from now, three years from now, whatever it is to
Speaker 1: either to boost your business better to I don't know,
Speaker 1: expand your horizons, to narrow your horizons. Is there anything
Speaker 1: you would go back and tell yourself when you first
Speaker 1: started shooting? You know there is, but.
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't have done it. It's social media. I
Speaker 2: hate social media. I don't have any personal social media
Speaker 2: Like I've had a like agencies and uh like stuff
Speaker 2: like that says, just why aren't your numbers where they
Speaker 2: need to be? Is because I don't want to fucking
Speaker 2: tell the whole world that I had an egg and
Speaker 2: a piece of Avocadi for breakfast, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And yet no one cares? But then they're like, everyone cares.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that there are a group of people who
Speaker 1: give a shit what you had for breakfast, right, and
Speaker 1: if you post it topless, they'll sign up for it. Okay, yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you wish you had any skills that you had
Speaker 1: developed before coming into this? Not so much knowledge, but
Speaker 1: is there something again, not that you would go back
Speaker 1: and tell yourself, but do you go, man, I wish
Speaker 1: in my first year of shooting content, I may have
Speaker 1: been better at this h stepping out bullshit and price negotiation,
Speaker 1: pricing and good I never ask price. I never ask
Speaker 1: any of that stuff because I think, and this is
Speaker 1: no disrespect to you. I think if the audience heard
Speaker 1: how little you get paid, they'd be the first scenes
Speaker 1: you'd be. They'd be so depressed, like yeah.
Speaker 2: I love it when they're like I jerked off to
Speaker 2: you all day and then I'm like, oh, you should
Speaker 2: grab something off my wishless then like to say thank
Speaker 2: you and they're like, oh, but I watched your content
Speaker 2: all day, Like okay.
Speaker 1: I think the outside perception is Sydney shows up for
Speaker 1: her shoot. It's an hour long scene, so it takes
Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes. She gets paid between twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars as she leaves, and then never
Speaker 1: touches her phone the rest of the night. Did you
Speaker 1: know getting into this. Okay, so again you had stripped
Speaker 1: and you had done this and that, did you know
Speaker 1: getting into this industry? It would be as little to
Speaker 1: do with you having sex with people on camera as
Speaker 1: it actually is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, actually Okay, most of my job is
Speaker 2: back end. Yeah, like all have worked all day that
Speaker 2: haven't said a word on social media, Like it's there's
Speaker 2: so much back end. And then I was lucky to
Speaker 2: be a camirl first, so hardware software, I got it, sure,
Speaker 2: but like I really want to hire someone. But like
Speaker 2: I did hire someone for like a week to do
Speaker 2: my only fans and I speak plainly, I guess you
Speaker 2: would say. And my clients caught on immediately and I
Speaker 2: had to fire them.
Speaker 1: You know what you gotta do it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it. What's up?
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, sexy, like you're not sitting here.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see. I wrote down some other questions,
Speaker 1: but I really want to get into the stuff we
Speaker 1: were talking about. Let me say, are you tied in
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're tied into any specific mitch
Speaker 1: or your niche? Are you tied into a milf niche
Speaker 1: at this point to like the average viewer, and do
Speaker 1: you have any problem with that? Do you wish you
Speaker 1: could be seen as anything different? No, milf is fine.
Speaker 2: I started like actual porn when I was thirty two,
Speaker 2: so they were like, welcome to porn. You're everyone's mom,
Speaker 2: like I occasionally get to be hot wife or like
Speaker 2: that wasn't some sort of position of power like I'm
Speaker 2: a teacher or a doctor or something like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, last one that I have written, like, we'll go,
Speaker 1: But how do you ensure that your content aligns with
Speaker 1: your authentic This sounds so stupid. I write these out
Speaker 1: when I'm like smoking weed late at night, and I
Speaker 1: go make it sound very professional to do it. How
Speaker 1: do you ensure the content you create aligns with your
Speaker 1: authentic self rather than just market demands or fuck it,
Speaker 1: they're paying for it. Whatever the market needs. As long
Speaker 1: as it's within my boundaries, I'll put it out there.
Speaker 1: B Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: Sydney Page is a character that I created, and she
Speaker 2: was created for you to like her.
Speaker 1: Very fair, but she.
Speaker 2: Like I know that there are other things I could
Speaker 2: do to make the character more likable, but I have
Speaker 2: to keep it kind of in my realm. Sure, otherwise
Speaker 2: I might go crazy. And I have seen people completely
Speaker 2: lose themselves to characters, even with like voice pitch and stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's weird to watch.
Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah that is. Yeah, it's a little strange
Speaker 1: from the outside. If you see I.
Speaker 2: Met I met one. She created her character, then she
Speaker 2: became her character. She's very well off now and like retired,
Speaker 2: so maybe I should have done that, But she.
Speaker 1: Did her voice as I can't did her voice change
Speaker 1: after she retired then, Like, if you see her now,
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, how you doing, Sydney, what's going on? No,
Speaker 1: she became the girl she created for life too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know you're a musician as well, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: is that the first love by far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been playing music all my life. My aunt
Speaker 2: and uncles have a rock band. Like my whole family's musicians.
Speaker 2: And if you can't play an instrument, you can paint
Speaker 2: and right, like it's just a bunch of artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. My dad cut down trees before he died,
Speaker 1: and my mom worked for the state, So I didn't
Speaker 1: really get any of those good genes passed on.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't say they were good. We're artists, we're sad. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's fair. My wife is an artist. She's always quite sad.
Speaker 3: But you know what, so that is that your first love? Obviously?
Speaker 3: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you ever or do you do you
Speaker 1: ever try and incorporate music into your content, either your
Speaker 1: only fans or anything else we.
Speaker 2: Have we've done, like some TikTok videos. I was at
Speaker 2: a shoot. One of the guys sat down and played
Speaker 2: the piano and it was eleanor Rigby. So I started
Speaker 2: singing elinor Rigby, and then the producer played guitar, and
Speaker 2: like it became like just this jam session all of
Speaker 2: a sudden. But I put it on TikTok. It's pretty cool,
Speaker 2: and my mouth is like full of doughnut or muffin
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: My wife and I own about six guitars. I can
Speaker 1: only play the solo from smells like teen Spirit, And
Speaker 1: that's about where it dies off. About the first thing
Speaker 1: you learn, yep, just about not so much the power
Speaker 1: chords with it. But you know, were you in a
Speaker 1: collection of bands throughout your life or was it a solo?
Speaker 1: I was in one band when I was in high school.
Speaker 2: I was in an industrial Bandwise, it's.
Speaker 1: Just been me hanging out make a noise. Did you
Speaker 1: ever play any live shows. We played one at a
Speaker 1: bowling alley. Very nice. Yeah, some big fat girl yelled
Speaker 1: at me and I said, shut up, bitch, and I
Speaker 1: got kicked back the stage.
Speaker 2: My aunt and nucles they have recorded songs and they
Speaker 2: play live and then I shoot their music videos because
Speaker 2: I've got, like, you know, all this technoledge now, and
Speaker 2: so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I liked.
Speaker 2: I really up to you behind the camera when it
Speaker 2: comes to music, Okay, Like I want to bring the
Speaker 2: art to your sound.
Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in being behind the camera
Speaker 1: in the other industry you're very quite successful in. Do
Speaker 1: you want to eventually grow into being a director like Fuller?
Speaker 1: I already do that, Like with the girls, I mentor.
Speaker 1: I also offer space. I've been a makeup artist, so
Speaker 1: I'll do their makeup. Brand send me like lingerie and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I give them that. They show me scripts. I
Speaker 1: tell them, you know, this is three fetishes in one.
Speaker 1: It could be three great videos instead of one long one.
Speaker 1: Just all this stuff. So I am behind the camera
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Okay, all right, let me dive into it.
Speaker 1: Some of the stuff you've been talking about recently online.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important not just because my family
Speaker 1: struggles with so much mental mental illness sounds rough? What
Speaker 1: do we say mental illness? Everyone's crazy in my house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a bunch of crazies. Sure, I'm positive. My mother
Speaker 1: is OCD. My brother died of a drug addiction. My
Speaker 1: dad was a dry drunk who went to work on
Speaker 1: my birthday three years ago and was killed at work.
Speaker 1: My wife and I are both lexapro babies. You know
Speaker 1: she's on there, you go, She's on a much higher
Speaker 1: script than I am. But let me ask you, and
Speaker 1: please stop me when it's uncomfortable, because I am, like
Speaker 1: you said, I am.
Speaker 5: I'm a blunt speaker. Okay, fair enough. It needs to
Speaker 5: be talked about. That's why I talk about it so much.
Speaker 5: And you know, people get this that I'm not hosting titties,
Speaker 5: but it ain't.
Speaker 1: For you home. Let me ask you when did you
Speaker 1: when do you think the symptoms for whatever? Well? Can
Speaker 1: I ask you? Are you diagnosed with anything? Is it
Speaker 1: self diagnosed? No, I'm diagnosed.
Speaker 2: I have a complex trauma disorder and an ADHD and
Speaker 2: that comes along with panic attacks and depression and basically
Speaker 2: are good.
Speaker 1: My brain is broken? Sure? Sure? And yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: social media and online and everything else really helps with
Speaker 1: that as well. I know I throw my phone and
Speaker 1: I can't and I know I've spent the last ten years.
Speaker 1: I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD, but I can't read
Speaker 1: a page anymore without getting down to the bottom and
Speaker 1: going what the fuck did I read halfway up?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you get through a page in a book
Speaker 2: and you're like, wait.
Speaker 1: What did anyone say there? Yeah, let me go back,
Speaker 1: and then you never read it the right way again.
Speaker 1: So I just gave up on books. Truthfully, when did
Speaker 1: you When did you recognize you were having these problems
Speaker 1: that you have? And when do you think you actually
Speaker 1: started to develop them? Like I can think back to
Speaker 1: when I was eight years old and I knew I
Speaker 1: felt not normal in terms of sadness. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't find out about it. You know
Speaker 1: what I may have had until fourteen fifteen sixteen? Do
Speaker 1: you did you always have this feeling behind you know
Speaker 1: what you have?
Speaker 2: I kind of did. But my whole family depression runs
Speaker 2: through all of us. And the saddest person I've ever
Speaker 2: met in my life is my mother. And unfortunately I
Speaker 2: got the silver model. So yeah, I've always kind of
Speaker 2: like known and I like to be by myself. But
Speaker 2: then around sixteen seventeen, I was like, something's like not right.
Speaker 2: That was the first time I had a conversation with
Speaker 2: a family member about like maybe I should be taking medication.
Speaker 2: And then they were like you need money for that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, good point. So I started taking
Speaker 2: medication when I was twenty three.
Speaker 1: But this is depression that I have.
Speaker 2: It is ever present, Like it's not something that comes
Speaker 2: and goes, like I tell people you need to give me
Speaker 2: an orgasm and a million dollars, but there's like this
Speaker 2: electric hum of just.
Speaker 1: I it's it's something just isn't sitting right. You look
Speaker 1: around and everything is sitting right, and there's something in
Speaker 1: your head saying there's not There's something that's not there.
Speaker 2: It's like I say, it's like walking parallel to reality,
Speaker 2: Like I see it, I see what's supposed to be
Speaker 2: happening here, and then like I'm not involved. But do
Speaker 2: I want to be involved? Should I get involved? Or
Speaker 2: should I just like stand over here like I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna do whatever mine is.
Speaker 1: Everything is firing on all cylinders. Shit's going great. My
Speaker 1: wife is telling me, this is so great, You're doing
Speaker 1: such a great thing, great job, and just something pops
Speaker 1: in where I go, and it's maybe this is trauma based,
Speaker 1: but something pops in there. Are you sure I'm not
Speaker 1: a piece of shit? I just I was again, and
Speaker 1: I was smoking a lot of weed the other day,
Speaker 1: and I start tearing up to her. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: admit this to my audience. I know you guys think
Speaker 1: I'm a big, cool, tough guy. I'm not, and I
Speaker 1: never give that impression. I'm a bowl of jello. But
Speaker 1: I said, she's buying like the cool girl attitude. I'm
Speaker 1: just fucking sad. I'd go by angry and I hate everything,
Speaker 1: but in a funny way, like you know, we'll watch
Speaker 1: a trailer in my wife O good, that doesn't look bad.
Speaker 1: I go, oh, I fucking hate that. That looks terrible.
Speaker 1: But it's something in my back of my head that
Speaker 1: just goes you're wrong. No matter what question you ask yourself,
Speaker 1: you're wrong. You're wrong, You're wrong. Yes, is it right
Speaker 1: to do this shit? I feel happy about doing You're wrong. No,
Speaker 1: you're wrong, And it never goes away. It feels like right, yeah, present,
Speaker 1: So what had uh? One one other thing and I
Speaker 1: want to then I want to get into sorry. One
Speaker 1: other thing I'd like to say, and then I'd like
Speaker 1: to get into you. Uh. I heard a Rogan interview
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and you know, anyone's opinion on
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan whatever it is. But the guest was very
Speaker 1: interesting and he was talking that a lot of these
Speaker 1: mental conditions that people have may not actually be and
Speaker 1: this isn't to downplay it for you or for anyone else,
Speaker 1: may not actually be as chemically driven as they are
Speaker 1: trauma driven in our past. And I found so I
Speaker 1: know about this.
Speaker 2: What happens is parts of your brain and parts of
Speaker 2: the connections that are supposed to be made atrophy. So
Speaker 2: at that point medication doesn't help anymore. And that's where
Speaker 2: I'm at. I quit taking my antidepressants some month or
Speaker 2: so ago because I saw a doctor and he was
Speaker 2: basically like, because I just brought a list because I'm
Speaker 2: in a new place, like about to scare the show
Speaker 2: out of this dude. And he was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: I like it's going going on this long, it's ever present,
Speaker 2: Like these parts of your brain have atrophy. What we
Speaker 2: need to do is like regrow the connection. So now
Speaker 2: I'm doing ketamine imfusions.
Speaker 1: So that's so scary to the outside person hearing that.
Speaker 1: Sorry to me, I'm not thrilled about it either.
Speaker 2: Might get to go once a week and chill out
Speaker 2: and you know, put poison in my veins and be like,
Speaker 2: please be happy.
Speaker 1: So again me being just dumb outside. That's kenna means
Speaker 1: a horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an anesthetic.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so talk me through it. You're going once
Speaker 1: a week now if you're comfortable talking about it, and
Speaker 1: how long does it take?
Speaker 2: So the full course of treatment for severe life threatening
Speaker 2: treatment resistant depression is eight okay, and then after that,
Speaker 2: if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to
Speaker 2: TMS with it, which is like the electricity, And then
Speaker 2: if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to ECT,
Speaker 2: which is impatient where every couple of days they put
Speaker 2: you under and induce seizures to kind of just turn
Speaker 2: your brain off and back on again. And that's fucking terrifying,
Speaker 2: very like it's been twenty years, more than twenty years, Like,
Speaker 2: can make it stop?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: If it's too personal, don't answer, and actually I don't
Speaker 1: even need details if it's too personal at all. Do
Speaker 1: you know, like a the traumatic event that you think
Speaker 1: may have triggered some of this in your life?
Speaker 2: Oh, my childhood wasn't great, okay, and then you know
Speaker 2: the nature versus nurture thing, and you know the depression
Speaker 2: runs through my family. I never said a freaking chance.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, fair enough, So you already had the genes
Speaker 1: and then you went through a rough childhood as is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can you know, same thing with my wife, same
Speaker 1: thing with me. You can kind of identify. I can't
Speaker 1: identify one my probably can one exact moment. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: we won't talk about it here.
Speaker 2: Those moments were like I'm one hundred percent sure that
Speaker 2: this made it worse. Really yeah, Like there are there
Speaker 2: are there are four traumatic events that have happened in
Speaker 2: my adult life post eighteen life where I'm like, that
Speaker 2: fucked it up, that fucked it up really bad.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about? Not detailed? What do you
Speaker 1: remember I remember this of those events, I have them
Speaker 1: in my head too. When I was about well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything, I can smell it, I can hear it,
Speaker 2: I can see it, like my body goes full into it,
Speaker 2: I'll start panicking. But I'm just chilling on the couch.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I park at the grocery store
Speaker 1: most of the time, but I can recall those things.
Speaker 2: Like pull into the driveway and be like how did
Speaker 2: I get? But those on April seventeenth, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: I became.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So how do we Is there a
Speaker 1: way to not I don't want to say check this.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you. Is porn good or bad for
Speaker 1: things like this people? It really depends on the person, gotcha? Okay,
Speaker 1: So how do we assess that when it comes to
Speaker 1: newer people coming into the industry.
Speaker 2: First of all, if you have to do anything mind
Speaker 2: altering to be at your scene, you need to leave.
Speaker 2: If you ever have the I don't know if I
Speaker 2: want to do this, leave it's not worth it, Go home,
Speaker 2: right reevaluate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's just are we're talking boundaries thing? Or
Speaker 1: maybe ye or.
Speaker 2: Like you know, your agent's pushing you to do something,
Speaker 2: and you feel like there's a lot of like peer
Speaker 2: pressure from you know, people's impositions of power, especially with
Speaker 2: these young girls, and they don't really have the wherewithal
Speaker 2: to be like no, right, absolutely because they like, maybe
Speaker 2: it's right, maybe it's not, because they're still learning, they're
Speaker 2: still like becoming grown ups, so it's not you know,
Speaker 2: any faults of their own, but like if you have
Speaker 2: a second thought, listen to it.
Speaker 1: Sure, And that that's kind of why mentorship is so important,
Speaker 1: because so many of them don't know, don't know, like
Speaker 1: like we said early on, right, sometimes it's a shitty
Speaker 1: thing you got to do, but it's not outside of
Speaker 1: your boundaries normally this guy's ugly. You know, you book
Speaker 1: for the scene, do it.
Speaker 2: But then I get paired with young girls a lot
Speaker 2: because I'm mom and all. They'll like go boundaries and
Speaker 2: stuff with the director and everyone there, and then I'll
Speaker 2: pull them into the bathroom and be like, okay, like
Speaker 2: I will not affect your job in any way, but like,
Speaker 2: please tell me your real boundaries because I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna get real creepy, real fast.
Speaker 2: They teach them like the double tap thing, because there
Speaker 2: was one girl I had to be kind of aggressive with.
Speaker 2: They had to lift her up and put her on
Speaker 2: a counter, like sort of aggressive, and I was like,
Speaker 2: if at any time I'm doing anything that you're not liking,
Speaker 2: double tap me. And I will switch, gotcha, because they
Speaker 2: don't want to say no because they think it'll like
Speaker 2: fuck their shit up, because you know, I have to
Speaker 2: like poke and product them a little bit, like listen,
Speaker 2: like I don't care, we're going to get this scene done.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be comfortable, we're gonna get paid, We're gonna
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Have you had any pushback from any younger girls on that? No? No, okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: I don't know if sometimes they know more than you.
Speaker 1: You know how younger people are sometimes like you do
Speaker 1: this face? Oh okay, fair enough, you don't fuck with
Speaker 1: this face? No, I wouldn't. I'm terrified doing this interview
Speaker 1: right now. So have you gotten any I know, your
Speaker 1: own break right now, But have you gotten any pushback
Speaker 1: or anyone in the industry saying, hey, maybe don't discuss
Speaker 1: industry wise. I understand fans are look, sure you don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about your electroshock therapy. But have you
Speaker 1: gotten any pushback from the industry, like, hey, Sydney, maybe
Speaker 1: dial it back just a little bit.
Speaker 2: So by the time I started speaking about mental health,
Speaker 2: it was not I've been speaking about it the whole time,
Speaker 2: but like my personal struggles and stuff. It was last year,
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't have an agency anymore because
Speaker 2: you know, one on one is letting a rapist be
Speaker 2: an agent and I'm not cool with that. I told
Speaker 2: I publicly told them to fuck often lose my number.
Speaker 2: But at that point I was speaking with another fetish
Speaker 2: model and I was like, I don't know how to
Speaker 2: like make this palatable, like what I need to say
Speaker 2: that I need to take time off? And she was
Speaker 2: just like, do you care about your job? Like do
Speaker 2: you care if you get like fired? And I was
Speaker 2: just like so she was like, well, say all the
Speaker 2: things you need to say, then like just do it,
Speaker 2: because like I like, if my entire career disappeared tomorrow,
Speaker 2: like I'll find something else to do.
Speaker 1: I grew up in poverty. We'll figure it out. Do
Speaker 1: you think, what do you think? You would try and
Speaker 1: say it goes away tomorrow, Mainstream call mister president. Mainstream
Speaker 1: calls you up tomorrow and goes we will never book
Speaker 1: another scene with you again, continue on as you please.
Speaker 1: Would it just be camming and only fans for a while?
Speaker 1: Would you go back to it?
Speaker 2: Was like that sounds like a personal challenge that sounds
Speaker 2: like I need to start an agency.
Speaker 1: And that's a good point. You mentioned an agency in
Speaker 1: there and issues. Again, I am not I'm not up
Speaker 1: to date on the behind the scenes of any of
Speaker 1: these things, so I'm going to keep everything general if possible,
Speaker 1: and say this. I know a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: a person, a performer was canceled somewhat quote unquote online Okay,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I saw that if you were to have
Speaker 1: had a good experien sperience with a performer, and then
Speaker 1: it came out later that one person, not a plethora
Speaker 1: of people, but one person was like, no, this happened this.
Speaker 1: What is your personal opinion on that? Would you go
Speaker 1: to that person and say what happened? The male in
Speaker 1: that case or both, what what happened? There?
Speaker 2: Would be willing to run on like how close we are?
Speaker 2: But you know, people have different personalities, and I've seen
Speaker 2: male talent and producers and directors treat other women very
Speaker 2: differently than they treat me. And I'm not going to
Speaker 2: discount anyone else's personal experience. Like again, I have this space,
Speaker 2: so I don't get fucked with a lot, but I've
Speaker 2: like I've seen it, and I've been like that's that, Okay,
Speaker 2: don't do that right. So, like if he was a
Speaker 2: really good because I had one, he wasn't getting canceled.
Speaker 2: But there was some drama between like this director and
Speaker 2: another director, and I was like, I'm gonna hear them
Speaker 2: both out, like because I know both of you, and
Speaker 2: it just added up to be a bunch of like miscommunication,
Speaker 2: nonsense and you know, territorial bullshit and whatever.
Speaker 1: I saw. One woman was getting harassed because she was
Speaker 1: still selling a video that she had with one of
Speaker 1: these Yeah, and now again that that is like the
Speaker 1: first time I've seen back room of a strip club
Speaker 1: on porn Star Twitter where I'm like, oh, these people
Speaker 1: are going at each other.
Speaker 2: The only one that really bothered me is someone came
Speaker 2: out and she posted this whole thing about like I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna, you know, stand in line with you guys,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna like insolidarity. Like it was a
Speaker 2: post that was like whoa yeah, where she basically said
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna do whatever I want to do and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to like stand with victims.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just like, well, blot, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know, I totally get that, and I feel that
Speaker 1: way too. I think that's terrible. But the entire comment
Speaker 1: section was like, girl, are you for real? And I
Speaker 1: get that. I think that's just a dumb business decision,
Speaker 1: Like the money's in the women, you're gonna want to
Speaker 1: say so if you had a great experience with a
Speaker 1: guy and someone else had a bad one. It's almost like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend like I wasn't on Twitter that day.
Speaker 1: Maybe if like, you know, if I have a gent
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had to come out and say something similar to
Speaker 2: that because people were talking about Robert from one to one
Speaker 2: and I said something and I was like and people
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, you know, stand with the victims, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I personally was not a victim. However,
Speaker 2: I do stand with you totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you know if I was. It's
Speaker 1: so tough because that one that we talked about recently
Speaker 1: was again in a positive way, not a negative way.
Speaker 1: A pileon in a good way, like Pioleon sounds like
Speaker 1: a bad thing the way I'm using it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds good. In foreign it's like everyone putting their
Speaker 1: hands up, going, yes, I've had an experience like that.
Speaker 1: As well. I've had it.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it takes someone saying you know this, and
Speaker 2: you know there's a lot of coercion, and then like
Speaker 2: you're like, wait a minute, oh my god, that did
Speaker 2: happen to me? And you know, like it takes someone
Speaker 2: saying something for other girls to kind of put two
Speaker 2: and two together about like something they felt uneasy about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they may have felt uneasy, and then someone else
Speaker 1: says they're not supposed to do that, and it clicks
Speaker 1: in your head and go, well, shit, they did that
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh my god, I'm a victim too, like
Speaker 2: we need to stand together and stand against But then
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm on the porn like WhatsApp like
Speaker 2: where all the girls talk. So I do also see
Speaker 2: where it can snowball into a dangerous place. Like if
Speaker 2: we could all keep a cool, level head and keep
Speaker 2: to facts, Yeah, that'd be great, Like put the pitch
Speaker 2: forks down, h let's have dialogue.
Speaker 1: I think people that should be out of the industry
Speaker 1: should be pushed and forced out of the industry. My
Speaker 1: only concern is I've had one bad interview with the
Speaker 1: porn so I've done one hundred and fifty of these.
Speaker 1: And I won't name the lady, but she's a she's
Speaker 1: a you know, older lady who's you know, worked in
Speaker 1: the two thousands, and the whole episode she just bitched
Speaker 1: me about younger girls don't want to fucking work. They
Speaker 1: all want to get paid, none of this, and that
Speaker 1: they'll or no maybe it was, they'll do things for
Speaker 1: free and this, and I get that, I get why
Speaker 1: that's a concern, but then don't sit there and bitch
Speaker 1: to me the whole time about it and at the
Speaker 1: end be like, and I can't figure out why I
Speaker 1: can't get work anymore. It's like, I think you might
Speaker 1: just have a bad attitude. So I start offering suggestions
Speaker 1: again unprompted. I should have shut my fucking mouth, but
Speaker 1: I start going, you know, have you ever considered maybe
Speaker 1: this because she's not I don't know social media and
Speaker 1: don't know this.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing with the like you know standing,
Speaker 2: you know, with the victims and stuff. That's it's also
Speaker 2: a good business model because I get oust all the time,
Speaker 2: like by directors and producers that are on friendly levels
Speaker 2: with like hey, who around here should I hire?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you should have it like this world's professional, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say the girl who was like I
Speaker 2: don't stand with victims, Like I'm not gonna not gonna
Speaker 2: recommend you for shit.
Speaker 1: No, but and I can't recall who was and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't name them anyway, but that one person who they were, like,
Speaker 1: this is my highest selling video and she wasn't like
Speaker 1: some shit read Yeah I know, I know, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly who it was. But I think
Speaker 1: to myself, I go, man, that really fucking sucks. You
Speaker 1: either stand with your people and lose however much revenue
Speaker 1: and maybe that's rent this month.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a tough situation. No, no, okay, fair enough,
Speaker 4: But it's your highest selling video.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: It's also massively triggering and is going to take away
Speaker 2: opportunities in the future. You're going to lose money keeping
Speaker 2: that video up.
Speaker 1: Right, come out and be the good guy and say
Speaker 1: I'm deleting this video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it off, Say you took it off. Say
Speaker 2: I wasn't personally a victim. But hearing all these stories,
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to be associated with this.
Speaker 1: Again. I think from the outside, my biggest concern would
Speaker 1: be imagine I go I stand with all these other
Speaker 1: people and I will delete my videos and whatever. And
Speaker 1: then it turns out like that guy, someone just had
Speaker 1: one bad interaction with him and he ends up getting supported.
Speaker 2: This is multiple They've been going on for a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised it took this long to blow up.
Speaker 1: Actually totally. That seemed like it was a case of
Speaker 1: that's a rough performer and maybe they didn't stay within boundaries.
Speaker 1: Was that kind of the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, you can withdraw consent and
Speaker 2: that was the complaint of like two or three of
Speaker 2: the girls, is you know they withdrew consent and then
Speaker 2: the performer kept going.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't want to challenge that face of yours,
Speaker 1: but let me ask you how the business like in
Speaker 1: a nice way, because you're you know, how does the
Speaker 1: business work if you were halfway through filming a scene
Speaker 1: they've agreed to pay for I don't know what they
Speaker 1: even pay for, travel, hotel, anything like that, and you
Speaker 1: withdraw consent? What is the what is the business aspect
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Again, everyone works differently, but what would you expect if
Speaker 4: I withdraw consent? I I'm probably uncomfortable enough and pissed
Speaker 4: off enough that I don't really care about the money,
Speaker 4: Like I'm out.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. I get that there should be some
Speaker 1: at least travel and hotel should at least be covered.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's generally like already been covered.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Like if you're already like out there
Speaker 2: and then you're in the hotel, you've already flown out there.
Speaker 2: But like I mean, get on Twitter, find someone else
Speaker 2: to work lists, I mean, just talk to people.
Speaker 1: Does this answer my question I was gonna ask? Has
Speaker 1: porn benefited or been negative for your your mental health?
Speaker 1: Mental health? Don't say mental illness, mental health beneficial? Is
Speaker 1: that why you're taking a break? Do you need to
Speaker 1: see if this is a negative for you, you know,
Speaker 1: on the whole.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm taking the break because ketemine infusions are rough,
Speaker 2: and I'm really focusing on self care. I'm really focusing
Speaker 2: on my physical health. Has nothing to do with work.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still I picked up a show the
Speaker 2: other day because someone wanted to show Like I'm still
Speaker 2: kind of doing stuff, but like my main focus right
Speaker 2: now needs to be myself.
Speaker 1: Okay, And are you gonna go down that full path
Speaker 1: we discussed earlier with checking in electrocuting your head to
Speaker 1: seizure all those pleasant things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if what I'm doing doesn't work, and try something else.
Speaker 2: And if that doesn't work, we're trying something else.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, what's the difference If you're not comfortable sitting
Speaker 1: around talking being yourself? Who fucking cares what job you have,
Speaker 1: what anything else? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Like being as sex workers allowed me to afford these things,
Speaker 2: So like it's been great. There are definitely days where
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is negative my mental health for sure,
Speaker 2: But then like I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been able to afford antidepressants, wouldn't have andon with Pineapple,
Speaker 2: Like I helped Lay when she was setting that up.
Speaker 2: We did like podcasts and stuff. They've been there for me,
Speaker 2: Like I have a lot of resources now and a
Speaker 2: great support network because of sex work.
Speaker 1: I kind of know, but can you explain the audience
Speaker 1: what is Pineapple exactly?
Speaker 2: So Pineapple it is mental health care for sex workers.
Speaker 2: So personally, I have been fired by a therapist because
Speaker 2: of my job because he was like, all your problems
Speaker 2: are your job, and I'm like, this is how I'm
Speaker 2: paying you and it's absolutely not. So it's like people
Speaker 2: that they have listeners so if you just need to
Speaker 2: vent and then they can hook you up with therapists.
Speaker 2: They've hooked me up with a psychologist recently because the
Speaker 2: thing has got a little bad. And then there's also
Speaker 2: Cupcake Girls, which is another they do group and things
Speaker 2: like that like addiction therapy, like just you know, getting
Speaker 2: stuff together. They are like awesome organizations and they're completely
Speaker 2: like run by given money by charity, so they're at
Speaker 2: all the conventions and like they're there like spin the
Speaker 2: Wheel and you know, they have an inflatable couch that
Speaker 2: all the porn stars signed to like raffle Off and
Speaker 2: stuff like it's really great and it's not really taking
Speaker 2: money from anyone. And it's also sliding scale, so like
Speaker 2: if you're like I'm depressed as shit and broke, like
Speaker 2: they can still help you, like just you know, lay
Speaker 2: it all out for them. Well, if they have a
Speaker 2: donation link, I'll put a link to that in the
Speaker 2: episode description as well. If you're listening or watching this
Speaker 2: right now, you do want to contribute to that. Pineapple
Speaker 2: is fantastic and the one the girl who runs it,
Speaker 2: the girl who found it. She's also amazing, and like
Speaker 2: it's worldwide and you know, some of their biggest contributors
Speaker 2: are like Streammate and like cams dot com and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So like we're all kind of coming together
Speaker 2: for that because if we feel healthy and we're happier
Speaker 2: because we have to be on for everybody, everyone makes
Speaker 2: more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you feel better. Yeah. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're happy, you're gonna film more scenes. You're going to
Speaker 1: be more energetic during that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. You probably put on a performance no
Speaker 1: matter how you're feeling that day. I assume, right, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's really hard. Yeah. Oh yeah, okay, let me let
Speaker 1: me donut hold this back around. I think that's a
Speaker 1: radio turn back to some of the content in the beginning.
Speaker 1: All right, do you think you have a definitive scene
Speaker 1: that if someone was like, I'd love to see your work, Sidney,
Speaker 1: you go right there. Check out that one. No.
Speaker 2: I so this is a weird fact. I have never
Speaker 2: seen any of your porn.
Speaker 1: Huh, how does that work? I understand it. I have
Speaker 1: to actually edit this with my audio turned off. I
Speaker 1: said it to make sure that an embarrassment can't do it.
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Like I see the people post gifts and I'll like
Speaker 2: repost them, but I've never like I've gotten fan mail
Speaker 2: like I loved you and this, this sist and this
Speaker 2: and their titles. I don't know what the fucking times
Speaker 2: of the studios are.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute. I saved the
Speaker 1: title just because I thought it was the most ridiculous
Speaker 1: fucking thing I'd ever heard. Is it the dick talking one? No,
Speaker 1: it's frum. It's from one of your MILF scenes. Okay.
Speaker 1: The title on IAFD, which is the Internet Adult Film Database,
Speaker 1: which you know what. Let's do a thing I do
Speaker 1: called stat check first. Okay, this is just using the
Speaker 1: Internet Adult Film Database. It's basically to track the progress.
Speaker 1: Now it doesn't include the fifty scenes you did over
Speaker 1: here and the two hundred you did for of and
Speaker 1: this and that. The numbers are wrong. Every time I
Speaker 1: present that, the woman I'm interviewing goes like this, Okay, good,
Speaker 1: the numbers are wrong. I lay out the numbers and
Speaker 1: they go those are wrong. I go, yeah, no, I know,
Speaker 1: I gotcha, Mike.
Speaker 2: I've personally emailed them once because like every single thing
Speaker 2: was wrong on the page.
Speaker 1: Well, let's check the MENA scenes I have is one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four male performers you've worked with, fifty
Speaker 1: seven female performers. You've worked with fifty four. It lists
Speaker 1: you as a nominee for an award, but I only
Speaker 1: do avn It seems like the easiest way to check it.
Speaker 1: Do I see zero noms and zero wins, no wins,
Speaker 1: but I've been nominated. I've been nominated, okay, one time,
Speaker 1: two times to any idea, Oh bunch, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll make sure that's fixed up. I don't keep it up.
Speaker 1: I don't go to the shows.
Speaker 2: Like like when I still had an agent, she was like,
Speaker 2: you're going to ABM this year and you're going to
Speaker 2: sign And I was like, I don't understand my fingers
Speaker 2: on cardoor and she didn't think that was funny.
Speaker 1: I like to bring we wear in New Jersey, so
Speaker 1: I like to go to Exotica and I bring my wife.
Speaker 1: And my wife is my producer, but she's Danella, she's
Speaker 1: an artist.
Speaker 2: She basically got They paid for me to go to
Speaker 2: New Jersey in twenty nineteen because I was one of
Speaker 2: the trophy girls for the Ink Towards.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, did you like it? Did it smell
Speaker 1: like an oram pit?
Speaker 2: The thing was is, I was fucking nobody at the time,
Speaker 2: and it was me and Lauren Phillips and then small
Speaker 2: Hands and uh ashit, I'm blinking on her name Joe
Speaker 2: Milana Angel. Yeah, so it was us for you know
Speaker 2: them super famous me. The guy's name is Dick. That
Speaker 2: was like just doing all this stuff. And he was
Speaker 2: just like, I saw you on cam and I really
Speaker 2: liked you. I thought you had all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like, I'm fucking nobody on this stage.
Speaker 2: A bit cool.
Speaker 1: I let me tell you though. I interviewed Brandon McKenna
Speaker 1: early on in her career, who is a great performer,
Speaker 1: and I went to go meet her at Exotica with
Speaker 1: my wife. I do a little like the thumbnail I make.
Speaker 1: I just want you to throw a signature on it
Speaker 1: so I can hang up. And she turns around. She
Speaker 1: almost teared up. She's like, you came here to see me.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're the store here. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? That happens? That happens to me.
Speaker 2: The first time I went to AVNN, I wasn't signing
Speaker 2: or anything. I just went to like hang out and
Speaker 2: people were like, oh, sit in Paige. And then like
Speaker 2: right after COVID it was like Exotica expis or something
Speaker 2: in Miami and I had a hat on, a mask on,
Speaker 2: and I was walking and someone yelled my name and
Speaker 2: I was like.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Is that cool? Incognito mode? Is that cool? Or is
Speaker 1: that not cool? It's fine.
Speaker 2: It was just weird, okay, fair enough, Like especially when
Speaker 2: I started getting fan mail, like like papers with stamps,
Speaker 2: like there's logistics to go through, Like it's just very
Speaker 2: very odd.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. The title for this milk scene, according to
Speaker 1: the Internet Adult Film Database is anal Auntie's Escapades. Now
Speaker 1: do you remember shooting anal Auntie's Escapades? Do you know
Speaker 1: who you filmed it with? Was it NICKI Rebel? No,
Speaker 1: it was Ryan King. I believe Ryan King? Oh yep,
Speaker 1: I do? I do? I know? Yeah, Jay Rock Shurrett
Speaker 1: did that. Okay, Yeah it was Uh. It was the
Speaker 1: first ridiculous title I saw pop up there and I
Speaker 1: went home. Yeah, I had to do.
Speaker 2: So during that scene, he's out, my nephew is out,
Speaker 2: and I have to like send like sexy snaps with like,
Speaker 2: you know, you have to put the words in there,
Speaker 2: like Auntie's waiting for you, and I still have those
Speaker 2: in my phone. Like if anyone gets ahold of my phone,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, what the fuck do you have?
Speaker 2: The camera had to show what was on my phone.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you question and then we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: this up soon. But do you have any moral objection
Speaker 1: to anything that is in the norm as far as
Speaker 1: mainstream goes? No, you're acting right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's partly because I don't have kids,
Speaker 2: fair enough. I just I don't have that connection.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Because when I first started, they were like, we can
Speaker 2: make you the ant and I was like, what's the
Speaker 2: difference and they were like, mom sells more and I
Speaker 2: was like, well get a mom, then.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you had started as little sister and worked
Speaker 1: up and then either had nephews or nieces or whatever,
Speaker 1: you might go h just wondering, just wondering. We've had
Speaker 1: a really good discussion about newer people coming in. So
Speaker 1: this is a question I posed to everyone, and I
Speaker 1: am shocked by the answer most of the time. What
Speaker 1: is the eight? Because there. There's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: different ways to go around it. There's Devil's advocates, there's
Speaker 1: you know, what is the age that women should be
Speaker 1: able to get into porn? And then I'll throw a
Speaker 1: million Devil's advocates at you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think eighteen is too young. I would say
Speaker 2: probably twenty one.
Speaker 1: So I've interviewed plenty of people, a lot of girls
Speaker 1: who started at eighteen. They all say twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started. I started three days after my ageent birthday.
Speaker 1: Now, to be fair, you have the anecdotal, not evidence,
Speaker 1: the anecdotal cases where it's the sixteen year old girl
Speaker 1: got kicked out of her house, jumped on couches for
Speaker 1: two years. She's eighteen, Now, shouldn't she be able she
Speaker 1: could go fight in a war overseas or you know,
Speaker 1: be executed in the electric chair. Shouldn't she be able
Speaker 1: to do this? No? I was a survival sex worker. Sure.
Speaker 2: I needed the money, sure, and like, because I do
Speaker 2: think about that, like, you know, if that wasn't available
Speaker 2: to me, like those because in those three years I
Speaker 2: started dancing, Like I got my awn apartment, I bought
Speaker 2: a car. I was able to you know, focus more
Speaker 2: on college, Like I did so much stuff, but like
Speaker 2: what we're doing we don't understand. And then like I
Speaker 2: kind of like went on a better path than some
Speaker 2: of the others I've seen. There was a girl that
Speaker 2: I worked with who was eighteen, who was still in
Speaker 2: high school, and you know, three months later when she's
Speaker 2: ready to graduate, she looks completely different and has an
Speaker 2: oxy addiction. Yeah, okay, but like, yeah, you need a
Speaker 2: little but this goes. I don't think it's about age.
Speaker 2: I think it's about situation, like maybe you should have
Speaker 2: had better parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And it's about maturity too, because I've
Speaker 1: met nineteen year olds who blow these forty year olds
Speaker 1: out of the water in terms of maturity. So it's
Speaker 1: always tough. We kind of came to this consensus, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if you would sign off on this, just
Speaker 1: say we're not going to be able to get it
Speaker 1: out entirely. Yeah, what about from eighteen to twenty one?
Speaker 1: You can have a solo only fans account only. You
Speaker 1: cannot shoot mainstream, you cannot shoot with a mail. They
Speaker 1: won't upload it, they won't take it. What And then
Speaker 1: once you've been in and understand it more than just
Speaker 1: dipped your toe. You've actually learned the social media aspect,
Speaker 1: you know about the stuff going on behind the scenes
Speaker 1: twenty one hits. Now you can go shoot your first
Speaker 1: you know, you know, double anal gangbangs if you'd like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I kind of got training rules too, because I started,
Speaker 2: you know, eighteen to twenty one Oklahoma and no contact.
Speaker 1: It was a beer bar.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't serve alcohol the twenty one year olds
Speaker 2: on the premises, so it was beer. So like I
Speaker 2: training willed into it too, okay, but I still wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, And I've met some thirty five year olds
Speaker 1: who weren't ready when they got into this, So it's
Speaker 1: always tough. I'm in agreement with you that I think
Speaker 1: twenty one is probably better. You don't want to make
Speaker 1: a string of mistakes at eighteen that you'll eventually overcome
Speaker 1: and whatever.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you should be on camera. For
Speaker 2: those I would go and get a titty bar, like,
Speaker 2: don't be on maybe don't fuck up on camera.
Speaker 4: It's not to follow you for the rest your life.
Speaker 4: It's not a terrible idea. I don't dislike that, like
Speaker 4: until you're twenty one, No cameras, Ladies and gentlemen, I
Speaker 4: guess tonight, Sydney Page. You know exactly where you can
Speaker 4: find her at. Sydney Page links to all of our
Speaker 4: social media in the episode description below. Remember it's Monday,
Speaker 4: you don't have any money, you're broke. You have to
Speaker 4: at least follow her on Twitter, okay, Instagram, anywhere else
Speaker 4: she is on social media.
Speaker 1: Friday rolls around. Your kid is like, oh, I need
Speaker 1: the payments for my braces. You tell them next week. Okay,
Speaker 1: next week, because I have something to go, sign up
Speaker 1: for it. Get out of here. Yeah, try a liquid diet, sweetie. Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. Made her gag. I
Speaker 1: have done interviews with Sarah Jay, someone else, and you
Speaker 1: now where I wait to make a joke until they're
Speaker 1: drinking something. And now I can claim at every airport,
Speaker 1: when I'm waiting for you to walk up, I can
Speaker 1: go I made her gag and no one will understand
Speaker 1: the context of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I love when I get recognize at the airport and
Speaker 2: you guys walking with his wife and kids and goes,
Speaker 2: I'm like, ladies.
Speaker 1: And gentlemen, Sidney Page, Sidney, thank you, so much. I
Speaker 1: really do appreciate not just what you're doing to help
Speaker 1: your own self in this, but how much you're doing
Speaker 1: for other people. I would say, as long as it's
Speaker 1: not affecting your money, keep putting it out there because
Speaker 1: they're such great stories, and you know, the mental health stuff,
Speaker 1: the mental illness, the crazy stuff is so important to
Speaker 1: get out there.
Speaker 2: It really is, so I mean, even if it does
Speaker 2: affect my money a little bit, Like, it's the truth.
Speaker 2: Like the conversation I had with the girl that was, like,
Speaker 2: how do I make it palatable? Just like it's the truth.
Speaker 2: Just tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Sweet Yeah, Sidney Page, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on with me, no problem, Thank you,