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Speaker 1: Sydney Page my guest for the evening. You know exactly

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where you can find her at Sydney Page links all

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of our social media in the episode description below. Please

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make sure, at the bare minimum you follow these folks

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on social media, bump those numbers up, and then when

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payday rolls around, hey, you know where to go. Links

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everything in the episode description Sidney, it is a pleasure

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to have you on tonight. Thank you so much for

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having me. Let me ask you what might seem like

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a dumb question, but the breadth or whatever that word

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is of your career. What do you consider your job

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title to be?

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Speaker 2: I am a defrocked physical excitement engineer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I read that on your Twitter. I enjoyed that.

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What exactly does that mean?

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Speaker 2: That means that I take my clothes off and do

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stuff that you like?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: I mean, or I'm your naked therapist.

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Speaker 1: Either way, that's a nice one too. I like on

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what kind of day we were happened? Man? Again, I

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interviewed someone earlier and we were talking about her only fans,

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and she said, one time I was bringing in groceries

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and I just did it topless and I put it

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on my only fans and everyone was like, oh, you

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should do more of that. So many girls in this

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industry I feel like, could just do like day in

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and day out stuff and as long as you pop

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them titties out, guys will be like, yeah, I'll pay

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for that. Sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of my like my third top selling video of

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all time since twenty sixteen is me washing my hair.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, these beautiful hair. I'll give you that.

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I would play it was it.

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Speaker 2: Was platinum back then it was blonde. But yeah, okay,

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just me washing my hair talk through video of all time.

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Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's so strange what people will

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like and what they don't, And as long as it's

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not destructive, yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a shit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not hurting yourself or anyone else,

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turn the camera on. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So let me ask you. Let's say

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the boring stuff and cleared out of the way, not

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boring necessarily, But how did you initially decide to get

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into the adult entertainment industry? What was the crossover from

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quote unquote vanilla normal life too, let's do something different.

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Speaker 2: So on April seventeenth, Wow. Two thousand and seven, I

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decided that I was tired of going to high school

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and college at the same time and working two jobs.

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So I've got I found an ad in the newspaper

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and started it like this really shitty strip club and

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then yeah, and then they were like what are you

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doing at this strip club? And then I went to

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the nicer strip club and it all just kind of

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my whore bingo card is filled out.

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Speaker 1: I've done it all. It's so funny. Even the club recognized, like,

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sen here too too good for this place, So what

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are you doing? So how did the girls that the

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managers went to them and go, you're just in the

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right place. How did they feel to that? Like did

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they try and make the jump or no?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Just like people just kept asking me,

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why aren't you at this? You know, and it's okay

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in the city there's not you know, big clubs, but

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they're just like, why are you not at this one? Like, oh, well, yess,

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I'll go stop by.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you were dancing, do you remember your most

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successful night and is there any interesting story behind it?

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Like a big german bachelor party comes in something like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I danced for eight years, and I did travel dancing,

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so I have quite a few. I have one that's

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real fun. I worked at Scores in Baltimore. Okay, and

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the night that Michael Phelps got his GUI, guess where

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he was.

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Speaker 1: Scores in Baltimore. I would assume he yah, yeah, he

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was up there. That's so yeah. That okay, all right,

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that's a good one. That's a good one. Now was

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he paying for lamp dances or I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't I usually don't like when femalest people don't

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come into the club. I'm not saying all of them,

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but like when they do, they don't really like it's

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an experience thing and they kind of want stuff for free.

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So like all the girls like will flock to them.

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So I'll go hang out with the other people that

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are getting ignored.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Go yeah, yeah, I have I

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have a fan question for you here, and I hope

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you'll take it as the joke. It is instride. It's

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from Brandon Brown. Hi, I want to become a porn

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star and trying to figure out how to get into

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the porn industry. How many fucking emails do you get

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every day? No one today.

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Speaker 2: I got one today and I told him I would

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ant I would give him the step by step for

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two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well that ruins my bit I was gonna.

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I was hoping you would go, I hated, and then

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I would go, let's just make the definitive guide right here.

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Let me tell you from the outside perspective what I

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would say. I would say, Start building your social media profile. Okay,

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learn correct grammar in your emails, and how to reach

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out to people, how to do it, how to take

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a photo photos of yourself, you know the ones you

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see and like casting stuff side by side this here's

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and not just what do you think of my dick?

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Can I do porn? Thank you? Okay, So set up

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your profile, establish yourself in the world. Yeah, and then

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maybe find other newer content creators, work with them, try

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and work with them, present yourself PROFI.

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Speaker 2: Don't be picky, because I know some people who have

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gotten like started kind of like that and have gotten bigger.

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But at the beginning, you're not gonna screw like Sophia Locke.

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You just like showed up. Sure, that's not gonna happen. Like,

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so it's just whoever's around you and body types and

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like you know, skin color, like whatever it is. You

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got to get that video out.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, is that that same piece

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of advice? Okay, and this may be totally going to

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be different, but does that somewhat also apply to females

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coming into the industry in this sense if they're trying

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to be independent. I interview a lot of newer girls

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on my show as well, Like I have a split

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show and a lot of them. You could you can

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tell the ones that are gonna make it, and then

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you could tell the ones who want to make some

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money in this, want to do whatever. But it's everything

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by my own way, which I respect, right, I get that,

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But you've got to be malleable.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there are hard boundaries that you should not cross.

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I've walked off set just been like nope. But like

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sometimes you got to be like, okay, as long as

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it's not harmful. It's just like somebody wasn't really planning

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on doing today.

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Speaker 1: Sure, not exactly, not destructive, not harmful, not someone untested

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something like that, but like, I don't know, this guy

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has kind of a gross hair lip, but his dick

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looks fine. It might have to do it today, right, Okay,

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all right, this is was was anyone a mentor to

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you when you got into this industry or did you

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know have you gained any mentors as you've been in it?

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Speaker 2: No? Actually, and since I started stripping, then camming and

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fetish than porn. So what I do now is I mentor?

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Speaker 1: That was what I was going to ask. Are you

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mentored because you're now knowledgeable on it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I've got a whole, you know, gaggle of models. I

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just recently helped a bunch of models to get like

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their pictures for a BM to have signed, hooking them

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up with photographers, helping them design business cards, this and that.

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twenty five, but like the biggest thing is either young

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or milf, and she looks young. So I was like

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really kind of lean into that. But like it's like

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walking through a field and you know where the land

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mines are, Just tell them it's there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so weird. There's a weird dichotomy.

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very a little bit cutthroat. It can be. I guess

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it depends on the club. I've heard a lot of

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horror stories of girls who used to strip and say,

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you know that's my client over there, don't go near them.

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This and that. Yeah, that does happen. But I also

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have heard that there are mentors kind of in the

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strip game. A girl teach you how to do this,

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show you how to do this. Yet when you go

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on Twitter and you look at porn star Twitter, everything's

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so nice. It doesn't seem as competitive until like someone

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gets canceled or something like that. Then that's just that's

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just the front room. See, and maybe that's it, that's

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the front room, but it doesn't a lot of interviews

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I do a lot of people say no, I didn't

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really have a mentor. I didn't have someone that show

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me how to do this.

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Speaker 2: Now so I and I realize that, and now that

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I've got, you know, all of the information, like there's

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nothing you can do in sex work, but I haven't

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done or been adjacent to, so I just try to

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help out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, do you have anyone under your wing

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currently that you can see and recognize like like, yes,

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she'll make it in this industry, But is there anyone

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you look at and go and I'm not asking you

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to name them necessarily, but superstar status. I see superstar

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status in this person.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say superstar yet that she's going to do

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real well, okay. And she's one of the girls I

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helped design, you know, the like her pictures to sign

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it ab in and I was telling her like that,

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this is the kind of paper it needs to be on,

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and this and that, and she sent me a bunch

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of photos and I was like, it's going to be

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this one making eye contact like it's the whole thing.

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going to be really, really great in for right now

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the fetish and amateur scene. She's going to blow it

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up in like the next year and we'll see where

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I will ask that name off camera

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because you never know, she might quit tomorrow and then

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we all look foolish. Who knows when you came into

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the porn industry, did you have, like you said, your

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personal boundaries and your boundaries, did you have things that

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were set and did anything eventually lessen and you know

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you're like, I'll try that now, maybe you enjoy wait whatever,

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it was.

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Speaker 2: Well starting stripping. I started stripping in a glhom city

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and you cannot touch like you sit on your hands.

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to because I started after I turned twenty one because

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of the laws. I started dancing in Dallas, and I

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was like, oh my god, he has his hands on

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her hips. That's crazy. It's just kind of like the

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new normal, and like am I okay with that? Like

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like it's fine if he puts his hands there, like whatever, sure,

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and stuff like that, And it's always just kind of

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been like okay because when I by the time I

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finally got to porn after like fetish and camming and stuff,

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was just sure, there's only one thing that's happened on

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a porn set where like instead of saying cut, I

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just looked at him and said dude, because he just

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like he spit in my face. Like was that planned

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it all? Was it a rough shoot?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Because like you know, we go through the dews and

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don'ts with each other and like get to know each

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other and get to know it, you know, we're comfortable

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with and now like I used to say, like, oh,

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I'm fine with everything that I'm being paid for, which

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means like no anal unless that's on the on the ticket.

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Speaker 3: Bit.

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Speaker 2: Now I have to say, please don't spit in my face.

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Speaker 1: Hey, sir, I really appreciate it if during our work

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day today you could just not spit in my face.

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about you know, if two girls or if the girl's

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really into it, a nice watery spit. I don't mind seeing.

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and they're like, okay, so no spit, and I'm like,

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I'm not saying that, like you can just but it

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was like and it was also a shoot house in Miami,

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and you know you have to turn the air condisctors

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off like because.

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Speaker 1: Of the buzz. So it was hot.

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Speaker 2: Everyone was sweating and he just but like I just

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looked at him and was like, dude, I feel like

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the like director was just like.

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Speaker 1: Nope, I spent the morning drinking coffee and orange juice

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where it really just builds up. That is so horrendous.

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Look again, you know what's sex?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 2: You know plug flint mints amazing what if flint Miants do.

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So there are these Mints. It's this company that came

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out and they make you salivate.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: So like a lot of like porn people use them.

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When I see something interesting like that on Instagram, i'd'll

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like DM them and be like, hey, like if you

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send me some of your stuff, I'll try it out,

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you know, like just disperse it.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: So Flintmants sent me like a huge box of these

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things and they have different strengths and like I'm on,

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you know, antidepressants, so my mouth is dry, so like

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during the scenes, I'm always like chewing on them.

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Speaker 1: Do you have you always? Okay? Was it something before

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stripping or was it stripping? What got That's brilliant business

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sense right there? Personally, you know, I do that sometimes

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when I do it the new with the interviews with

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the new girls, I'll say, now is the time to

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mention people you'd like to work with if you want

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to do that, okay, because you never knew who's going

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to see it, who's going to do whatever. Did you

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always have have that business sense a little bit? Or

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did stripping and then camming kind of teach you what

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goes into that. Uh both, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Like I've always been pretty business minded about it because

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this is a job and that's why I took it

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because it was a job. But kind of realizing what

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doors are open and what doors are shut based on

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you know, what I'm doing, my follower account, what my

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branding is, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: What do you think your branding is right now?

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Speaker 2: Usually I'm on break right now, so I have some blue,

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but usually you know, I do the very all American look.

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Speaker 1: Okay, blonde.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been on my Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I trust me. I've been everywhere that you've been I've seen. Yes,

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that's a creepy statement to make, but I'll say it anyway.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea. So I'm to the point now

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where I get recognized in public. Okay, usually at airports.

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But I was sitting at this tea bar once starting

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with someone and U said something about my cat and

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he was like, oh, yeah, how is Cookie doing? And

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I was like, oh, you can see on his face

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like she never told me Harcout's name.

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Speaker 1: That is how a thriller movie starts, by the way,

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and then by chance, oh you're both in the same aisle,

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isn't that weird. Yeah, what do you wish you had

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more knowledge of before getting into actually shooting porn? Like again,

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we talked about your business sense was good and it

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developed over time. But is there something if you could

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go back to the beginning of shooting content where you go, listen, Sydney,

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this is what you're gonna want to do five years

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from now, three years from now, whatever it is to

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either to boost your business better to I don't know,

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expand your horizons, to narrow your horizons. Is there anything

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you would go back and tell yourself when you first

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started shooting? You know there is, but.

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Speaker 2: I still wouldn't have done it. It's social media. I

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hate social media. I don't have any personal social media

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Like I've had a like agencies and uh like stuff

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like that says, just why aren't your numbers where they

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need to be? Is because I don't want to fucking

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tell the whole world that I had an egg and

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a piece of Avocadi for breakfast, Like what the fuck?

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And yet no one cares? But then they're like, everyone cares.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy that there are a group of people who

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give a shit what you had for breakfast, right, and

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if you post it topless, they'll sign up for it. Okay, yeah. Uh.

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Do you wish you had any skills that you had

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developed before coming into this? Not so much knowledge, but

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is there something again, not that you would go back

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and tell yourself, but do you go, man, I wish

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in my first year of shooting content, I may have

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been better at this h stepping out bullshit and price negotiation,

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pricing and good I never ask price. I never ask

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any of that stuff because I think, and this is

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no disrespect to you. I think if the audience heard

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how little you get paid, they'd be the first scenes

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you'd be. They'd be so depressed, like yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love it when they're like I jerked off to

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you all day and then I'm like, oh, you should

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grab something off my wishless then like to say thank

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you and they're like, oh, but I watched your content

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all day, Like okay.

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Speaker 1: I think the outside perception is Sydney shows up for

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her shoot. It's an hour long scene, so it takes

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an hour and fifteen minutes. She gets paid between twenty

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and thirty thousand dollars as she leaves, and then never

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touches her phone the rest of the night. Did you

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know getting into this. Okay, so again you had stripped

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and you had done this and that, did you know

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getting into this industry? It would be as little to

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do with you having sex with people on camera as

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it actually is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, actually Okay, most of my job is

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back end. Yeah, like all have worked all day that

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haven't said a word on social media, Like it's there's

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so much back end. And then I was lucky to

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be a camirl first, so hardware software, I got it, sure,

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but like I really want to hire someone. But like

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I did hire someone for like a week to do

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my only fans and I speak plainly, I guess you

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would say. And my clients caught on immediately and I

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had to fire them.

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Speaker 1: You know what you gotta do it. I mean, I

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get it. What's up?

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Speaker 2: They were like, hey, sexy, like you're not sitting here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me see. I wrote down some other questions,

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but I really want to get into the stuff we

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were talking about. Let me say, are you tied in

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do you feel like you're tied into any specific mitch

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or your niche? Are you tied into a milf niche

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at this point to like the average viewer, and do

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you have any problem with that? Do you wish you

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could be seen as anything different? No, milf is fine.

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Speaker 2: I started like actual porn when I was thirty two,

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so they were like, welcome to porn. You're everyone's mom,

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like I occasionally get to be hot wife or like

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that wasn't some sort of position of power like I'm

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a teacher or a doctor or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Sure, last one that I have written, like, we'll go,

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But how do you ensure that your content aligns with

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your authentic This sounds so stupid. I write these out

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when I'm like smoking weed late at night, and I

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go make it sound very professional to do it. How

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do you ensure the content you create aligns with your

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authentic self rather than just market demands or fuck it,

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they're paying for it. Whatever the market needs. As long

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as it's within my boundaries, I'll put it out there.

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B Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Sydney Page is a character that I created, and she

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was created for you to like her.

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Speaker 1: Very fair, but she.

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Speaker 2: Like I know that there are other things I could

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do to make the character more likable, but I have

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to keep it kind of in my realm. Sure, otherwise

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I might go crazy. And I have seen people completely

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lose themselves to characters, even with like voice pitch and stuff,

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and it's weird to watch.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah that is. Yeah, it's a little strange

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from the outside. If you see I.

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Speaker 2: Met I met one. She created her character, then she

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became her character. She's very well off now and like retired,

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so maybe I should have done that, But she.

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Speaker 1: Did her voice as I can't did her voice change

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after she retired then, Like, if you see her now,

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she's like, hey, how you doing, Sydney, what's going on? No,

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she became the girl she created for life too. Yeah.

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I know you're a musician as well, right, yes, okay,

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is that the first love by far?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been playing music all my life. My aunt

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and uncles have a rock band. Like my whole family's musicians.

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And if you can't play an instrument, you can paint

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and right, like it's just a bunch of artists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. My dad cut down trees before he died,

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and my mom worked for the state, So I didn't

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really get any of those good genes passed on.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't say they were good. We're artists, we're sad. Okay,

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that's fair. My wife is an artist. She's always quite sad.

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But you know what, so that is that your first love? Obviously?

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Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you ever or do you do you

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ever try and incorporate music into your content, either your

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only fans or anything else we.

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Speaker 2: Have we've done, like some TikTok videos. I was at

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a shoot. One of the guys sat down and played

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the piano and it was eleanor Rigby. So I started

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singing elinor Rigby, and then the producer played guitar, and

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like it became like just this jam session all of

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a sudden. But I put it on TikTok. It's pretty cool,

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and my mouth is like full of doughnut or muffin

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or whatever.

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Speaker 1: My wife and I own about six guitars. I can

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only play the solo from smells like teen Spirit, And

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that's about where it dies off. About the first thing

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you learn, yep, just about not so much the power

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chords with it. But you know, were you in a

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collection of bands throughout your life or was it a solo?

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I was in one band when I was in high school.

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Speaker 2: I was in an industrial Bandwise, it's.

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Speaker 1: Just been me hanging out make a noise. Did you

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ever play any live shows. We played one at a

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bowling alley. Very nice. Yeah, some big fat girl yelled

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at me and I said, shut up, bitch, and I

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got kicked back the stage.

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Speaker 2: My aunt and nucles they have recorded songs and they

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play live and then I shoot their music videos because

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I've got, like, you know, all this technoledge now, and

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so that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I liked.

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Speaker 2: I really up to you behind the camera when it

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comes to music, Okay, Like I want to bring the

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art to your sound.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in being behind the camera

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in the other industry you're very quite successful in. Do

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you want to eventually grow into being a director like Fuller?

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I already do that, Like with the girls, I mentor.

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I also offer space. I've been a makeup artist, so

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I'll do their makeup. Brand send me like lingerie and stuff.

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So I give them that. They show me scripts. I

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tell them, you know, this is three fetishes in one.

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It could be three great videos instead of one long one.

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Just all this stuff. So I am behind the camera

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quite a bit. Okay, all right, let me dive into it.

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Some of the stuff you've been talking about recently online.

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I think it's so important not just because my family

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struggles with so much mental mental illness sounds rough? What

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do we say mental illness? Everyone's crazy in my house. Yeah,

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we're a bunch of crazies. Sure, I'm positive. My mother

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is OCD. My brother died of a drug addiction. My

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dad was a dry drunk who went to work on

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my birthday three years ago and was killed at work.

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My wife and I are both lexapro babies. You know

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she's on there, you go, She's on a much higher

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script than I am. But let me ask you, and

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please stop me when it's uncomfortable, because I am, like

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you said, I am.

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Speaker 5: I'm a blunt speaker. Okay, fair enough. It needs to

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be talked about. That's why I talk about it so much.

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And you know, people get this that I'm not hosting titties,

475
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,720
but it ain't.

476
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: For you home. Let me ask you when did you

477
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:12,599
when do you think the symptoms for whatever? Well? Can

478
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,160
I ask you? Are you diagnosed with anything? Is it

479
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,559
self diagnosed? No, I'm diagnosed.

480
00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: I have a complex trauma disorder and an ADHD and

481
00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:25,359
that comes along with panic attacks and depression and basically

482
00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:26,880
are good.

483
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: My brain is broken? Sure? Sure? And yeah, I'm sure

484
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,319
social media and online and everything else really helps with

485
00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:36,119
that as well. I know I throw my phone and

486
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,480
I can't and I know I've spent the last ten years.

487
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,079
I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD, but I can't read

488
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,400
a page anymore without getting down to the bottom and

489
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,200
going what the fuck did I read halfway up?

490
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:49,279
Speaker 3: So?

491
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you get through a page in a book

492
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,200
and you're like, wait.

493
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: What did anyone say there? Yeah, let me go back,

494
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,279
and then you never read it the right way again.

495
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:01,240
So I just gave up on books. Truthfully, when did

496
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:07,079
you When did you recognize you were having these problems

497
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,680
that you have? And when do you think you actually

498
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
started to develop them? Like I can think back to

499
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,359
when I was eight years old and I knew I

500
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,480
felt not normal in terms of sadness. Yeah, and then

501
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:22,000
I wasn't. I didn't find out about it. You know

502
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,960
what I may have had until fourteen fifteen sixteen? Do

503
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:28,200
you did you always have this feeling behind you know

504
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:28,720
what you have?

505
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: I kind of did. But my whole family depression runs

506
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,640
through all of us. And the saddest person I've ever

507
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,799
met in my life is my mother. And unfortunately I

508
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,440
got the silver model. So yeah, I've always kind of

509
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,119
like known and I like to be by myself. But

510
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,599
then around sixteen seventeen, I was like, something's like not right.

511
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,440
That was the first time I had a conversation with

512
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,880
a family member about like maybe I should be taking medication.

513
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,319
And then they were like you need money for that,

514
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,119
and I was like, good point. So I started taking

515
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,519
medication when I was twenty three.

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,599
Speaker 1: But this is depression that I have.

517
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: It is ever present, Like it's not something that comes

518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,039
and goes, like I tell people you need to give me

519
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,200
an orgasm and a million dollars, but there's like this

520
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:11,279
electric hum of just.

521
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: I it's it's something just isn't sitting right. You look

522
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,200
around and everything is sitting right, and there's something in

523
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,400
your head saying there's not There's something that's not there.

524
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,599
Speaker 2: It's like I say, it's like walking parallel to reality,

525
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,519
Like I see it, I see what's supposed to be

526
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,720
happening here, and then like I'm not involved. But do

527
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,599
I want to be involved? Should I get involved? Or

528
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,200
should I just like stand over here like I'm just

529
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,440
gonna do whatever mine is.

530
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,599
Speaker 1: Everything is firing on all cylinders. Shit's going great. My

531
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,680
wife is telling me, this is so great, You're doing

532
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,039
such a great thing, great job, and just something pops

533
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,079
in where I go, and it's maybe this is trauma based,

534
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,559
but something pops in there. Are you sure I'm not

535
00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,039
a piece of shit? I just I was again, and

536
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,680
I was smoking a lot of weed the other day,

537
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,319
and I start tearing up to her. I'm sorry to

538
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,160
admit this to my audience. I know you guys think

539
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000
I'm a big, cool, tough guy. I'm not, and I

540
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:13,039
never give that impression. I'm a bowl of jello. But

541
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,039
I said, she's buying like the cool girl attitude. I'm

542
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:21,240
just fucking sad. I'd go by angry and I hate everything,

543
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,279
but in a funny way, like you know, we'll watch

544
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,000
a trailer in my wife O good, that doesn't look bad.

545
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,160
I go, oh, I fucking hate that. That looks terrible.

546
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,079
But it's something in my back of my head that

547
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,680
just goes you're wrong. No matter what question you ask yourself,

548
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480
you're wrong. You're wrong, You're wrong. Yes, is it right

549
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,000
to do this shit? I feel happy about doing You're wrong. No,

550
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:43,200
you're wrong, And it never goes away. It feels like right, yeah, present,

551
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,039
So what had uh? One one other thing and I

552
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,160
want to then I want to get into sorry. One

553
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,680
other thing I'd like to say, and then I'd like

554
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,519
to get into you. Uh. I heard a Rogan interview

555
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,880
a few years ago, and you know, anyone's opinion on

556
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,000
Joe Rogan whatever it is. But the guest was very

557
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,759
interesting and he was talking that a lot of these

558
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,480
mental conditions that people have may not actually be and

559
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,000
this isn't to downplay it for you or for anyone else,

560
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,119
may not actually be as chemically driven as they are

561
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,519
trauma driven in our past. And I found so I

562
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,720
know about this.

563
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: What happens is parts of your brain and parts of

564
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,799
the connections that are supposed to be made atrophy. So

565
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,279
at that point medication doesn't help anymore. And that's where

566
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:36,119
I'm at. I quit taking my antidepressants some month or

567
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
so ago because I saw a doctor and he was

568
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,759
basically like, because I just brought a list because I'm

569
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,960
in a new place, like about to scare the show

570
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,079
out of this dude. And he was like, okay, so

571
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,920
I like it's going going on this long, it's ever present,

572
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,079
Like these parts of your brain have atrophy. What we

573
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,759
need to do is like regrow the connection. So now

574
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,440
I'm doing ketamine imfusions.

575
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: So that's so scary to the outside person hearing that.

576
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,160
Sorry to me, I'm not thrilled about it either.

577
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,519
Speaker 2: Might get to go once a week and chill out

578
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,799
and you know, put poison in my veins and be like,

579
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,440
please be happy.

580
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: So again me being just dumb outside. That's kenna means

581
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,319
a horse tranquilizer.

582
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an anesthetic.

583
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,319
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so talk me through it. You're going once

584
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,839
a week now if you're comfortable talking about it, and

585
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,799
how long does it take?

586
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: So the full course of treatment for severe life threatening

587
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,119
treatment resistant depression is eight okay, and then after that,

588
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,039
if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to

589
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,640
TMS with it, which is like the electricity, And then

590
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,839
if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to ECT,

591
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:50,599
which is impatient where every couple of days they put

592
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,720
you under and induce seizures to kind of just turn

593
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,319
your brain off and back on again. And that's fucking terrifying,

594
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,000
very like it's been twenty years, more than twenty years, Like,

595
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,960
can make it stop?

596
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

597
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,759
Speaker 3: Please?

598
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,319
Speaker 1: If it's too personal, don't answer, and actually I don't

599
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,079
even need details if it's too personal at all. Do

600
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,240
you know, like a the traumatic event that you think

601
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,440
may have triggered some of this in your life?

602
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,279
Speaker 2: Oh, my childhood wasn't great, okay, and then you know

603
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,720
the nature versus nurture thing, and you know the depression

604
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,720
runs through my family. I never said a freaking chance.

605
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,599
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, fair enough, So you already had the genes

606
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,240
and then you went through a rough childhood as is. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,359
I can you know, same thing with my wife, same

608
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,640
thing with me. You can kind of identify. I can't

609
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,680
identify one my probably can one exact moment. Yeah, I

610
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,240
we won't talk about it here.

611
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: Those moments were like I'm one hundred percent sure that

612
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,759
this made it worse. Really yeah, Like there are there

613
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,400
are there are four traumatic events that have happened in

614
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,160
my adult life post eighteen life where I'm like, that

615
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,039
fucked it up, that fucked it up really bad.

616
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,759
Speaker 1: What do you remember about? Not detailed? What do you

617
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,559
remember I remember this of those events, I have them

618
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,400
in my head too. When I was about well.

619
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything, I can smell it, I can hear it,

620
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,440
I can see it, like my body goes full into it,

621
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:12,160
I'll start panicking. But I'm just chilling on the couch.

622
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't know where I park at the grocery store

623
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,119
most of the time, but I can recall those things.

624
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,799
Speaker 2: Like pull into the driveway and be like how did

625
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:24,640
I get? But those on April seventeenth, two thousand and seven,

626
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,119
I became.

627
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So how do we Is there a

628
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:35,759
way to not I don't want to say check this.

629
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,160
Let me ask you. Is porn good or bad for

630
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,759
things like this people? It really depends on the person, gotcha? Okay,

631
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:45,720
So how do we assess that when it comes to

632
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,759
newer people coming into the industry.

633
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: First of all, if you have to do anything mind

634
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,079
altering to be at your scene, you need to leave.

635
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,200
If you ever have the I don't know if I

636
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,200
want to do this, leave it's not worth it, Go home,

637
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
right reevaluate?

638
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's just are we're talking boundaries thing? Or

639
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:11,880
maybe ye or.

640
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 2: Like you know, your agent's pushing you to do something,

641
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
and you feel like there's a lot of like peer

642
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,079
pressure from you know, people's impositions of power, especially with

643
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,359
these young girls, and they don't really have the wherewithal

644
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,720
to be like no, right, absolutely because they like, maybe

645
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920
it's right, maybe it's not, because they're still learning, they're

646
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,279
still like becoming grown ups, so it's not you know,

647
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,240
any faults of their own, but like if you have

648
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,359
a second thought, listen to it.

649
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Sure, And that that's kind of why mentorship is so important,

650
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,680
because so many of them don't know, don't know, like

651
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,799
like we said early on, right, sometimes it's a shitty

652
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,160
thing you got to do, but it's not outside of

653
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,640
your boundaries normally this guy's ugly. You know, you book

654
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,640
for the scene, do it.

655
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,359
Speaker 2: But then I get paired with young girls a lot

656
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,599
because I'm mom and all. They'll like go boundaries and

657
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,680
stuff with the director and everyone there, and then I'll

658
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,640
pull them into the bathroom and be like, okay, like

659
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400
I will not affect your job in any way, but like,

660
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,279
please tell me your real boundaries because I'm.

661
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:12,599
Speaker 1: Gonna get real creepy, real fast.

662
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: They teach them like the double tap thing, because there

663
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,720
was one girl I had to be kind of aggressive with.

664
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,759
They had to lift her up and put her on

665
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,480
a counter, like sort of aggressive, and I was like,

666
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,000
if at any time I'm doing anything that you're not liking,

667
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,119
double tap me. And I will switch, gotcha, because they

668
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,680
don't want to say no because they think it'll like

669
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240
fuck their shit up, because you know, I have to

670
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200
like poke and product them a little bit, like listen,

671
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,759
like I don't care, we're going to get this scene done.

672
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,519
You're gonna be comfortable, we're gonna get paid, We're gonna

673
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:40,240
get the fuck out of here.

674
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Have you had any pushback from any younger girls on that? No? No, okay, interesting,

675
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,400
I don't know if sometimes they know more than you.

676
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200
You know how younger people are sometimes like you do

677
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,359
this face? Oh okay, fair enough, you don't fuck with

678
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,160
this face? No, I wouldn't. I'm terrified doing this interview

679
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:06,200
right now. So have you gotten any I know, your

680
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,160
own break right now, But have you gotten any pushback

681
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,319
or anyone in the industry saying, hey, maybe don't discuss

682
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480
industry wise. I understand fans are look, sure you don't.

683
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,759
I'm not worried about your electroshock therapy. But have you

684
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,440
gotten any pushback from the industry, like, hey, Sydney, maybe

685
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:25,680
dial it back just a little bit.

686
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: So by the time I started speaking about mental health,

687
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,319
it was not I've been speaking about it the whole time,

688
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,759
but like my personal struggles and stuff. It was last year,

689
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,079
and you know, I don't have an agency anymore because

690
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,319
you know, one on one is letting a rapist be

691
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,440
an agent and I'm not cool with that. I told

692
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,000
I publicly told them to fuck often lose my number.

693
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:48,880
But at that point I was speaking with another fetish

694
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,079
model and I was like, I don't know how to

695
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,880
like make this palatable, like what I need to say

696
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,640
that I need to take time off? And she was

697
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,960
just like, do you care about your job? Like do

698
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,079
you care if you get like fired? And I was

699
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,000
just like so she was like, well, say all the

700
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:08,199
things you need to say, then like just do it,

701
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,519
because like I like, if my entire career disappeared tomorrow,

702
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,519
like I'll find something else to do.

703
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,639
Speaker 1: I grew up in poverty. We'll figure it out. Do

704
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,559
you think, what do you think? You would try and

705
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
say it goes away tomorrow, Mainstream call mister president. Mainstream

706
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,679
calls you up tomorrow and goes we will never book

707
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,280
another scene with you again, continue on as you please.

708
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,039
Would it just be camming and only fans for a while?

709
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:28,800
Would you go back to it?

710
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: Was like that sounds like a personal challenge that sounds

711
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,960
like I need to start an agency.

712
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: And that's a good point. You mentioned an agency in

713
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,679
there and issues. Again, I am not I'm not up

714
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,239
to date on the behind the scenes of any of

715
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,920
these things, so I'm going to keep everything general if possible,

716
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,239
and say this. I know a couple of weeks ago

717
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:54,079
a person, a performer was canceled somewhat quote unquote online Okay,

718
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,960
oh yeah, I saw that if you were to have

719
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,440
had a good experien sperience with a performer, and then

720
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,280
it came out later that one person, not a plethora

721
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,119
of people, but one person was like, no, this happened this.

722
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,079
What is your personal opinion on that? Would you go

723
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,159
to that person and say what happened? The male in

724
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,800
that case or both, what what happened? There?

725
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: Would be willing to run on like how close we are?

726
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,760
But you know, people have different personalities, and I've seen

727
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,199
male talent and producers and directors treat other women very

728
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,760
differently than they treat me. And I'm not going to

729
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,000
discount anyone else's personal experience. Like again, I have this space,

730
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,719
so I don't get fucked with a lot, but I've

731
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,599
like I've seen it, and I've been like that's that, Okay,

732
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,280
don't do that right. So, like if he was a

733
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239
really good because I had one, he wasn't getting canceled.

734
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,440
But there was some drama between like this director and

735
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,280
another director, and I was like, I'm gonna hear them

736
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,639
both out, like because I know both of you, and

737
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,079
it just added up to be a bunch of like miscommunication,

738
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,920
nonsense and you know, territorial bullshit and whatever.

739
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,599
Speaker 1: I saw. One woman was getting harassed because she was

740
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,320
still selling a video that she had with one of

741
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,920
these Yeah, and now again that that is like the

742
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,599
first time I've seen back room of a strip club

743
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,800
on porn Star Twitter where I'm like, oh, these people

744
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,519
are going at each other.

745
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: The only one that really bothered me is someone came

746
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,599
out and she posted this whole thing about like I'm

747
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,679
not gonna, you know, stand in line with you guys,

748
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,239
Like I'm not gonna like insolidarity. Like it was a

749
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,840
post that was like whoa yeah, where she basically said

750
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,280
like I'm gonna do whatever I want to do and

751
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,840
I'm not going to like stand with victims.

752
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just like, well, blot, oh my god,

753
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,199
you know, I totally get that, and I feel that

754
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,880
way too. I think that's terrible. But the entire comment

755
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,480
section was like, girl, are you for real? And I

756
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,360
get that. I think that's just a dumb business decision,

757
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:00,679
Like the money's in the women, you're gonna want to

758
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,760
say so if you had a great experience with a

759
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,920
guy and someone else had a bad one. It's almost like, hey,

760
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,360
I'm going to pretend like I wasn't on Twitter that day.

761
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,239
Maybe if like, you know, if I have a gent

762
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,320
but I don't know. Yeah.

763
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I had to come out and say something similar to

764
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,079
that because people were talking about Robert from one to one

765
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,800
and I said something and I was like and people

766
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,320
were like, yeah, you know, stand with the victims, and

767
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,679
I was like, I personally was not a victim. However,

768
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,320
I do stand with you totally.

769
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you know if I was. It's

770
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,519
so tough because that one that we talked about recently

771
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,440
was again in a positive way, not a negative way.

772
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,400
A pileon in a good way, like Pioleon sounds like

773
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
a bad thing the way I'm using it. Oh yeah,

774
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,079
that sounds good. In foreign it's like everyone putting their

775
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:49,039
hands up, going, yes, I've had an experience like that.

776
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:50,000
As well. I've had it.

777
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,599
Speaker 2: And sometimes it takes someone saying you know this, and

778
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,960
you know there's a lot of coercion, and then like

779
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,480
you're like, wait a minute, oh my god, that did

780
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,320
happen to me? And you know, like it takes someone

781
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,320
saying something for other girls to kind of put two

782
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,679
and two together about like something they felt uneasy about.

783
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, they may have felt uneasy, and then someone else

784
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:12,719
says they're not supposed to do that, and it clicks

785
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,159
in your head and go, well, shit, they did that

786
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,519
with me.

787
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh my god, I'm a victim too, like

788
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,800
we need to stand together and stand against But then

789
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,079
you know, I'm I'm on the porn like WhatsApp like

790
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:29,639
where all the girls talk. So I do also see

791
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,039
where it can snowball into a dangerous place. Like if

792
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:34,960
we could all keep a cool, level head and keep

793
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,559
to facts, Yeah, that'd be great, Like put the pitch

794
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:40,280
forks down, h let's have dialogue.

795
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,639
Speaker 1: I think people that should be out of the industry

796
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,199
should be pushed and forced out of the industry. My

797
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,000
only concern is I've had one bad interview with the

798
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,800
porn so I've done one hundred and fifty of these.

799
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,880
And I won't name the lady, but she's a she's

800
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,679
a you know, older lady who's you know, worked in

801
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,039
the two thousands, and the whole episode she just bitched

802
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,119
me about younger girls don't want to fucking work. They

803
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:06,480
all want to get paid, none of this, and that

804
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,360
they'll or no maybe it was, they'll do things for

805
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,719
free and this, and I get that, I get why

806
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,400
that's a concern, but then don't sit there and bitch

807
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,159
to me the whole time about it and at the

808
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,039
end be like, and I can't figure out why I

809
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,320
can't get work anymore. It's like, I think you might

810
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,320
just have a bad attitude. So I start offering suggestions

811
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,360
again unprompted. I should have shut my fucking mouth, but

812
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,519
I start going, you know, have you ever considered maybe

813
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,320
this because she's not I don't know social media and

814
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:32,760
don't know this.

815
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: That's the other thing with the like you know standing,

816
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,400
you know, with the victims and stuff. That's it's also

817
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,079
a good business model because I get oust all the time,

818
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,840
like by directors and producers that are on friendly levels

819
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,880
with like hey, who around here should I hire?

820
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

821
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you should have it like this world's professional, like,

822
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,880
I'm not gonna say the girl who was like I

823
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,960
don't stand with victims, Like I'm not gonna not gonna

824
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,960
recommend you for shit.

825
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: No, but and I can't recall who was and I

826
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000
wouldn't name them anyway, but that one person who they were, like,

827
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,800
this is my highest selling video and she wasn't like

828
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
some shit read Yeah I know, I know, I yeah,

829
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,119
I don't remember exactly who it was. But I think

830
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,599
to myself, I go, man, that really fucking sucks. You

831
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,440
either stand with your people and lose however much revenue

832
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,599
and maybe that's rent this month.

833
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,599
Speaker 4: You know, it's a tough situation. No, no, okay, fair enough,

834
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,280
But it's your highest selling video.

835
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: Cool.

836
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: It's also massively triggering and is going to take away

837
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,559
opportunities in the future. You're going to lose money keeping

838
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:36,159
that video up.

839
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: Right, come out and be the good guy and say

840
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,920
I'm deleting this video.

841
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it off, Say you took it off. Say

842
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,679
I wasn't personally a victim. But hearing all these stories,

843
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,519
I don't think I want to be associated with this.

844
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Again. I think from the outside, my biggest concern would

845
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,320
be imagine I go I stand with all these other

846
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,000
people and I will delete my videos and whatever. And

847
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,840
then it turns out like that guy, someone just had

848
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,559
one bad interaction with him and he ends up getting supported.

849
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: This is multiple They've been going on for a little bit.

850
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,440
I'm surprised it took this long to blow up.

851
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Actually totally. That seemed like it was a case of

852
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,440
that's a rough performer and maybe they didn't stay within boundaries.

853
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:17,800
Was that kind of the situation.

854
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, you can withdraw consent and

855
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,599
that was the complaint of like two or three of

856
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,360
the girls, is you know they withdrew consent and then

857
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,000
the performer kept going.

858
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: Again, I don't want to challenge that face of yours,

859
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,480
but let me ask you how the business like in

860
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,440
a nice way, because you're you know, how does the

861
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,960
business work if you were halfway through filming a scene

862
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,760
they've agreed to pay for I don't know what they

863
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480
even pay for, travel, hotel, anything like that, and you

864
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:51,760
withdraw consent? What is the what is the business aspect

865
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,039
of that?

866
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: Like?

867
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: Again, everyone works differently, but what would you expect if

868
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:02,280
I withdraw consent? I I'm probably uncomfortable enough and pissed

869
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,079
off enough that I don't really care about the money,

870
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,039
Like I'm out.

871
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. I get that there should be some

872
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,880
at least travel and hotel should at least be covered.

873
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,000
I don't know, it's generally like already been covered.

874
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,119
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Like if you're already like out there

875
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,239
and then you're in the hotel, you've already flown out there.

876
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,199
But like I mean, get on Twitter, find someone else

877
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,599
to work lists, I mean, just talk to people.

878
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: Does this answer my question I was gonna ask? Has

879
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,800
porn benefited or been negative for your your mental health?

880
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Mental health? Don't say mental illness, mental health beneficial? Is

881
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,440
that why you're taking a break? Do you need to

882
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,119
see if this is a negative for you, you know,

883
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,639
on the whole.

884
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm taking the break because ketemine infusions are rough,

885
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,039
and I'm really focusing on self care. I'm really focusing

886
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,400
on my physical health. Has nothing to do with work.

887
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,320
I mean, I'm still I picked up a show the

888
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,199
other day because someone wanted to show Like I'm still

889
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,639
kind of doing stuff, but like my main focus right

890
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:07,920
now needs to be myself.

891
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Okay, And are you gonna go down that full path

892
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,840
we discussed earlier with checking in electrocuting your head to

893
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
seizure all those pleasant things.

894
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, if what I'm doing doesn't work, and try something else.

895
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,199
And if that doesn't work, we're trying something else.

896
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,159
Speaker 1: Because honestly, what's the difference If you're not comfortable sitting

897
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,039
around talking being yourself? Who fucking cares what job you have,

898
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:30,639
what anything else? It doesn't matter.

899
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,599
Speaker 2: Like being as sex workers allowed me to afford these things,

900
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,159
So like it's been great. There are definitely days where

901
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:40,920
I'm like, this is negative my mental health for sure,

902
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,119
But then like I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't

903
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,559
have been able to afford antidepressants, wouldn't have andon with Pineapple,

904
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,159
Like I helped Lay when she was setting that up.

905
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,800
We did like podcasts and stuff. They've been there for me,

906
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,280
Like I have a lot of resources now and a

907
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,599
great support network because of sex work.

908
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I kind of know, but can you explain the audience

909
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,559
what is Pineapple exactly?

910
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 2: So Pineapple it is mental health care for sex workers.

911
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960
So personally, I have been fired by a therapist because

912
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
of my job because he was like, all your problems

913
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,760
are your job, and I'm like, this is how I'm

914
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,599
paying you and it's absolutely not. So it's like people

915
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,880
that they have listeners so if you just need to

916
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,719
vent and then they can hook you up with therapists.

917
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,519
They've hooked me up with a psychologist recently because the

918
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,599
thing has got a little bad. And then there's also

919
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,360
Cupcake Girls, which is another they do group and things

920
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,880
like that like addiction therapy, like just you know, getting

921
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,119
stuff together. They are like awesome organizations and they're completely

922
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,639
like run by given money by charity, so they're at

923
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:55,239
all the conventions and like they're there like spin the

924
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,719
Wheel and you know, they have an inflatable couch that

925
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,920
all the porn stars signed to like raffle Off and

926
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,800
stuff like it's really great and it's not really taking

927
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,199
money from anyone. And it's also sliding scale, so like

928
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,880
if you're like I'm depressed as shit and broke, like

929
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,559
they can still help you, like just you know, lay

930
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:13,159
it all out for them. Well, if they have a

931
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,920
donation link, I'll put a link to that in the

932
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,320
episode description as well. If you're listening or watching this

933
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,400
right now, you do want to contribute to that. Pineapple

934
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,039
is fantastic and the one the girl who runs it,

935
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,960
the girl who found it. She's also amazing, and like

936
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:29,360
it's worldwide and you know, some of their biggest contributors

937
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,800
are like Streammate and like cams dot com and stuff

938
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,079
like that. So like we're all kind of coming together

939
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,400
for that because if we feel healthy and we're happier

940
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,400
because we have to be on for everybody, everyone makes

941
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:40,880
more money.

942
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you feel better. Yeah. You know, if

943
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,320
you're happy, you're gonna film more scenes. You're going to

944
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,519
be more energetic during that.

945
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

946
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 1: I doubt it. You probably put on a performance no

947
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,920
matter how you're feeling that day. I assume, right, sometimes

948
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
it's really hard. Yeah. Oh yeah, okay, let me let

949
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,400
me donut hold this back around. I think that's a

950
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,559
radio turn back to some of the content in the beginning.

951
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,119
All right, do you think you have a definitive scene

952
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,119
that if someone was like, I'd love to see your work, Sidney,

953
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,679
you go right there. Check out that one. No.

954
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,599
Speaker 2: I so this is a weird fact. I have never

955
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,400
seen any of your porn.

956
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,119
Speaker 1: Huh, how does that work? I understand it. I have

957
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,320
to actually edit this with my audio turned off. I

958
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,719
said it to make sure that an embarrassment can't do it.

959
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,400
I can't do it.

960
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,079
Speaker 2: Like I see the people post gifts and I'll like

961
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,920
repost them, but I've never like I've gotten fan mail

962
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,400
like I loved you and this, this sist and this

963
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,119
and their titles. I don't know what the fucking times

964
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:38,840
of the studios are.

965
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,119
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute. I saved the

966
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,440
title just because I thought it was the most ridiculous

967
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,400
fucking thing I'd ever heard. Is it the dick talking one? No,

968
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,800
it's frum. It's from one of your MILF scenes. Okay.

969
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:55,239
The title on IAFD, which is the Internet Adult Film Database,

970
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,840
which you know what. Let's do a thing I do

971
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,679
called stat check first. Okay, this is just using the

972
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
Internet Adult Film Database. It's basically to track the progress.

973
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,199
Now it doesn't include the fifty scenes you did over

974
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,239
here and the two hundred you did for of and

975
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:13,800
this and that. The numbers are wrong. Every time I

976
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,039
present that, the woman I'm interviewing goes like this, Okay, good,

977
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:18,840
the numbers are wrong. I lay out the numbers and

978
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,239
they go those are wrong. I go, yeah, no, I know,

979
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:22,400
I gotcha, Mike.

980
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: I've personally emailed them once because like every single thing

981
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,800
was wrong on the page.

982
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,599
Speaker 1: Well, let's check the MENA scenes I have is one

983
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,280
hundred and fifty four male performers you've worked with, fifty

984
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,079
seven female performers. You've worked with fifty four. It lists

985
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,199
you as a nominee for an award, but I only

986
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,559
do avn It seems like the easiest way to check it.

987
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,079
Do I see zero noms and zero wins, no wins,

988
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,599
but I've been nominated. I've been nominated, okay, one time,

989
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:56,119
two times to any idea, Oh bunch, okay, all right,

990
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,320
I'll make sure that's fixed up. I don't keep it up.

991
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,320
I don't go to the shows.

992
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: Like like when I still had an agent, she was like,

993
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,320
you're going to ABM this year and you're going to

994
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,239
sign And I was like, I don't understand my fingers

995
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,199
on cardoor and she didn't think that was funny.

996
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I like to bring we wear in New Jersey, so

997
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,519
I like to go to Exotica and I bring my wife.

998
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,360
And my wife is my producer, but she's Danella, she's

999
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:17,880
an artist.

1000
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: She basically got They paid for me to go to

1001
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,960
New Jersey in twenty nineteen because I was one of

1002
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
the trophy girls for the Ink Towards.

1003
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, did you like it? Did it smell

1004
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:28,559
like an oram pit?

1005
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,159
Speaker 2: The thing was is, I was fucking nobody at the time,

1006
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,679
and it was me and Lauren Phillips and then small

1007
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,119
Hands and uh ashit, I'm blinking on her name Joe

1008
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,559
Milana Angel. Yeah, so it was us for you know

1009
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,880
them super famous me. The guy's name is Dick. That

1010
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:49,320
was like just doing all this stuff. And he was

1011
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,000
just like, I saw you on cam and I really

1012
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:52,960
liked you. I thought you had all this stuff. And

1013
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:55,920
I was like, okay, like, I'm fucking nobody on this stage.

1014
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,400
A bit cool.

1015
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: I let me tell you though. I interviewed Brandon McKenna

1016
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,360
early on in her career, who is a great performer,

1017
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,599
and I went to go meet her at Exotica with

1018
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:10,079
my wife. I do a little like the thumbnail I make.

1019
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:11,599
I just want you to throw a signature on it

1020
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,119
so I can hang up. And she turns around. She

1021
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,800
almost teared up. She's like, you came here to see me.

1022
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,719
I was like, you're the store here. What are you

1023
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,440
talking about? That happens? That happens to me.

1024
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:26,519
Speaker 2: The first time I went to AVNN, I wasn't signing

1025
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:28,480
or anything. I just went to like hang out and

1026
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,679
people were like, oh, sit in Paige. And then like

1027
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,639
right after COVID it was like Exotica expis or something

1028
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,599
in Miami and I had a hat on, a mask on,

1029
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,039
and I was walking and someone yelled my name and

1030
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:42,320
I was like.

1031
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?

1032
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: Now?

1033
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: Is that cool? Incognito mode? Is that cool? Or is

1034
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,639
that not cool? It's fine.

1035
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,039
Speaker 2: It was just weird, okay, fair enough, Like especially when

1036
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,599
I started getting fan mail, like like papers with stamps,

1037
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,159
like there's logistics to go through, Like it's just very

1038
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:01,760
very odd.

1039
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,199
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. The title for this milk scene, according to

1040
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,440
the Internet Adult Film Database is anal Auntie's Escapades. Now

1041
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:20,880
do you remember shooting anal Auntie's Escapades? Do you know

1042
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,519
who you filmed it with? Was it NICKI Rebel? No,

1043
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,199
it was Ryan King. I believe Ryan King? Oh yep,

1044
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,920
I do? I do? I know? Yeah, Jay Rock Shurrett

1045
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,559
did that. Okay, Yeah it was Uh. It was the

1046
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,719
first ridiculous title I saw pop up there and I

1047
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,360
went home. Yeah, I had to do.

1048
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: So during that scene, he's out, my nephew is out,

1049
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,599
and I have to like send like sexy snaps with like,

1050
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,320
you know, you have to put the words in there,

1051
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,199
like Auntie's waiting for you, and I still have those

1052
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,360
in my phone. Like if anyone gets ahold of my phone,

1053
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,760
they're gonna be like, what the fuck do you have?

1054
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,920
The camera had to show what was on my phone.

1055
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,079
Speaker 1: Let me ask you question and then we're gonna wrap

1056
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,880
this up soon. But do you have any moral objection

1057
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:08,800
to anything that is in the norm as far as

1058
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,960
mainstream goes? No, you're acting right.

1059
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's partly because I don't have kids,

1060
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,920
fair enough. I just I don't have that connection.

1061
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha?

1062
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Because when I first started, they were like, we can

1063
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,679
make you the ant and I was like, what's the

1064
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,440
difference and they were like, mom sells more and I

1065
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:27,360
was like, well get a mom, then.

1066
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.

1067
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1068
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: Maybe if you had started as little sister and worked

1069
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,519
up and then either had nephews or nieces or whatever,

1070
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:42,159
you might go h just wondering, just wondering. We've had

1071
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,280
a really good discussion about newer people coming in. So

1072
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,400
this is a question I posed to everyone, and I

1073
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,000
am shocked by the answer most of the time. What

1074
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,400
is the eight? Because there. There's a whole bunch of

1075
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,159
different ways to go around it. There's Devil's advocates, there's

1076
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,480
you know, what is the age that women should be

1077
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,840
able to get into porn? And then I'll throw a

1078
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,320
million Devil's advocates at you.

1079
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I think eighteen is too young. I would say

1080
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,199
probably twenty one.

1081
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,159
Speaker 1: So I've interviewed plenty of people, a lot of girls

1082
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:17,920
who started at eighteen. They all say twenty one.

1083
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started. I started three days after my ageent birthday.

1084
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,559
Speaker 1: Now, to be fair, you have the anecdotal, not evidence,

1085
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:28,719
the anecdotal cases where it's the sixteen year old girl

1086
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,639
got kicked out of her house, jumped on couches for

1087
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,719
two years. She's eighteen, Now, shouldn't she be able she

1088
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,760
could go fight in a war overseas or you know,

1089
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:41,119
be executed in the electric chair. Shouldn't she be able

1090
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:44,239
to do this? No? I was a survival sex worker. Sure.

1091
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: I needed the money, sure, and like, because I do

1092
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,760
think about that, like, you know, if that wasn't available

1093
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,159
to me, like those because in those three years I

1094
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,880
started dancing, Like I got my awn apartment, I bought

1095
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,559
a car. I was able to you know, focus more

1096
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,440
on college, Like I did so much stuff, but like

1097
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:08,159
what we're doing we don't understand. And then like I

1098
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,679
kind of like went on a better path than some

1099
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,960
of the others I've seen. There was a girl that

1100
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,800
I worked with who was eighteen, who was still in

1101
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,559
high school, and you know, three months later when she's

1102
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,960
ready to graduate, she looks completely different and has an

1103
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,280
oxy addiction. Yeah, okay, but like, yeah, you need a

1104
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,039
little but this goes. I don't think it's about age.

1105
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,960
I think it's about situation, like maybe you should have

1106
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:32,159
had better parents.

1107
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And it's about maturity too, because I've

1108
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,079
met nineteen year olds who blow these forty year olds

1109
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,400
out of the water in terms of maturity. So it's

1110
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,800
always tough. We kind of came to this consensus, and

1111
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,079
I wonder if you would sign off on this, just

1112
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,880
say we're not going to be able to get it

1113
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,320
out entirely. Yeah, what about from eighteen to twenty one?

1114
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,440
You can have a solo only fans account only. You

1115
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:58,280
cannot shoot mainstream, you cannot shoot with a mail. They

1116
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,719
won't upload it, they won't take it. What And then

1117
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,719
once you've been in and understand it more than just

1118
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,280
dipped your toe. You've actually learned the social media aspect,

1119
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,559
you know about the stuff going on behind the scenes

1120
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,519
twenty one hits. Now you can go shoot your first

1121
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:18,760
you know, you know, double anal gangbangs if you'd like, yeah,

1122
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,599
I mean, that's fine.

1123
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: I kind of got training rules too, because I started,

1124
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,039
you know, eighteen to twenty one Oklahoma and no contact.

1125
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,119
Speaker 1: It was a beer bar.

1126
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't serve alcohol the twenty one year olds

1127
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,880
on the premises, so it was beer. So like I

1128
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,960
training willed into it too, okay, but I still wasn't ready.

1129
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, And I've met some thirty five year olds

1130
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,599
who weren't ready when they got into this, So it's

1131
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,679
always tough. I'm in agreement with you that I think

1132
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,360
twenty one is probably better. You don't want to make

1133
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,719
a string of mistakes at eighteen that you'll eventually overcome

1134
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,360
and whatever.

1135
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,519
Speaker 2: But I don't think you should be on camera. For

1136
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,719
those I would go and get a titty bar, like,

1137
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,320
don't be on maybe don't fuck up on camera.

1138
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: It's not to follow you for the rest your life.

1139
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:04,000
It's not a terrible idea. I don't dislike that, like

1140
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:08,320
until you're twenty one, No cameras, Ladies and gentlemen, I

1141
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,760
guess tonight, Sydney Page. You know exactly where you can

1142
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,960
find her at. Sydney Page links to all of our

1143
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,119
social media in the episode description below. Remember it's Monday,

1144
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:20,880
you don't have any money, you're broke. You have to

1145
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,480
at least follow her on Twitter, okay, Instagram, anywhere else

1146
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:25,519
she is on social media.

1147
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: Friday rolls around. Your kid is like, oh, I need

1148
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,159
the payments for my braces. You tell them next week. Okay,

1149
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:34,840
next week, because I have something to go, sign up

1150
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,320
for it. Get out of here. Yeah, try a liquid diet, sweetie. Okay,

1151
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,519
there you go, there you go. Made her gag. I

1152
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,320
have done interviews with Sarah Jay, someone else, and you

1153
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:49,840
now where I wait to make a joke until they're

1154
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,840
drinking something. And now I can claim at every airport,

1155
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,440
when I'm waiting for you to walk up, I can

1156
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,880
go I made her gag and no one will understand

1157
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,000
the context of that whatsoever.

1158
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: I love when I get recognize at the airport and

1159
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,679
you guys walking with his wife and kids and goes,

1160
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,920
I'm like, ladies.

1161
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: And gentlemen, Sidney Page, Sidney, thank you, so much. I

1162
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,199
really do appreciate not just what you're doing to help

1163
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,280
your own self in this, but how much you're doing

1164
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,000
for other people. I would say, as long as it's

1165
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,119
not affecting your money, keep putting it out there because

1166
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:27,400
they're such great stories, and you know, the mental health stuff,

1167
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,760
the mental illness, the crazy stuff is so important to

1168
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,280
get out there.

1169
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 2: It really is, so I mean, even if it does

1170
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,119
affect my money a little bit, Like, it's the truth.

1171
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,719
Like the conversation I had with the girl that was, like,

1172
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,239
how do I make it palatable? Just like it's the truth.

1173
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,159
Just tell the truth.

1174
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: Sweet Yeah, Sidney Page, thank you so much for coming

1175
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,000
on with me, no problem, Thank you,