Speaker 1: Sydney Page my guest for the evening. You know exactly
where you can find her at Sydney Page links all
of our social media in the episode description below. Please
make sure, at the bare minimum you follow these folks
on social media, bump those numbers up, and then when
payday rolls around, hey, you know where to go. Links
everything in the episode description Sidney, it is a pleasure
to have you on tonight. Thank you so much for
having me. Let me ask you what might seem like
a dumb question, but the breadth or whatever that word
is of your career. What do you consider your job
title to be?
Speaker 2: I am a defrocked physical excitement engineer.
Speaker 1: Okay, I read that on your Twitter. I enjoyed that.
What exactly does that mean?
Speaker 2: That means that I take my clothes off and do
stuff that you like?
Speaker 1: Fair enough?
Speaker 2: I mean, or I'm your naked therapist.
Speaker 1: Either way, that's a nice one too. I like on
what kind of day we were happened? Man? Again, I
interviewed someone earlier and we were talking about her only fans,
and she said, one time I was bringing in groceries
and I just did it topless and I put it
on my only fans and everyone was like, oh, you
should do more of that. So many girls in this
industry I feel like, could just do like day in
and day out stuff and as long as you pop
them titties out, guys will be like, yeah, I'll pay
for that. Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my like my third top selling video of
all time since twenty sixteen is me washing my hair.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, these beautiful hair. I'll give you that.
I would play it was it.
Speaker 2: Was platinum back then it was blonde. But yeah, okay,
just me washing my hair talk through video of all time.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's so strange what people will
like and what they don't, And as long as it's
not destructive, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't have a shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not hurting yourself or anyone else,
turn the camera on. Let's go.
Speaker 1: There you go. So let me ask you. Let's say
the boring stuff and cleared out of the way, not
boring necessarily, But how did you initially decide to get
into the adult entertainment industry? What was the crossover from
quote unquote vanilla normal life too, let's do something different.
Speaker 2: So on April seventeenth, Wow. Two thousand and seven, I
decided that I was tired of going to high school
and college at the same time and working two jobs.
So I've got I found an ad in the newspaper
and started it like this really shitty strip club and
then yeah, and then they were like what are you
doing at this strip club? And then I went to
the nicer strip club and it all just kind of
my whore bingo card is filled out.
Speaker 1: I've done it all. It's so funny. Even the club recognized, like,
sen here too too good for this place, So what
are you doing? So how did the girls that the
managers went to them and go, you're just in the
right place. How did they feel to that? Like did
they try and make the jump or no?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Just like people just kept asking me,
why aren't you at this? You know, and it's okay
in the city there's not you know, big clubs, but
they're just like, why are you not at this one? Like, oh, well, yess,
I'll go stop by.
Speaker 1: Okay, when you were dancing, do you remember your most
successful night and is there any interesting story behind it?
Like a big german bachelor party comes in something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I danced for eight years, and I did travel dancing,
so I have quite a few. I have one that's
real fun. I worked at Scores in Baltimore. Okay, and
the night that Michael Phelps got his GUI, guess where
he was.
Speaker 1: Scores in Baltimore. I would assume he yah, yeah, he
was up there. That's so yeah. That okay, all right,
that's a good one. That's a good one. Now was
he paying for lamp dances or I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I usually don't like when femalest people don't
come into the club. I'm not saying all of them,
but like when they do, they don't really like it's
an experience thing and they kind of want stuff for free.
So like all the girls like will flock to them.
So I'll go hang out with the other people that
are getting ignored.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Go yeah, yeah, I have I
have a fan question for you here, and I hope
you'll take it as the joke. It is instride. It's
from Brandon Brown. Hi, I want to become a porn
star and trying to figure out how to get into
the porn industry. How many fucking emails do you get
every day? No one today.
Speaker 2: I got one today and I told him I would
ant I would give him the step by step for
two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well that ruins my bit I was gonna.
I was hoping you would go, I hated, and then
I would go, let's just make the definitive guide right here.
Let me tell you from the outside perspective what I
would say. I would say, Start building your social media profile. Okay,
learn correct grammar in your emails, and how to reach
out to people, how to do it, how to take
a photo photos of yourself, you know the ones you
see and like casting stuff side by side this here's
and not just what do you think of my dick?
Can I do porn? Thank you? Okay, So set up
your profile, establish yourself in the world. Yeah, and then
maybe find other newer content creators, work with them, try
and work with them, present yourself PROFI.
Speaker 2: Don't be picky, because I know some people who have
gotten like started kind of like that and have gotten bigger.
But at the beginning, you're not gonna screw like Sophia Locke.
You just like showed up. Sure, that's not gonna happen. Like,
so it's just whoever's around you and body types and
like you know, skin color, like whatever it is. You
got to get that video out.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, is that that same piece
of advice? Okay, and this may be totally going to
be different, but does that somewhat also apply to females
coming into the industry in this sense if they're trying
to be independent. I interview a lot of newer girls
on my show as well, Like I have a split
show and a lot of them. You could you can
tell the ones that are gonna make it, and then
you could tell the ones who want to make some
money in this, want to do whatever. But it's everything
by my own way, which I respect, right, I get that,
But you've got to be malleable.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there are hard boundaries that you should not cross.
I've walked off set just been like nope. But like
sometimes you got to be like, okay, as long as
it's not harmful. It's just like somebody wasn't really planning
on doing today.
Speaker 1: Sure, not exactly, not destructive, not harmful, not someone untested
something like that, but like, I don't know, this guy
has kind of a gross hair lip, but his dick
looks fine. It might have to do it today, right, Okay,
all right, this is was was anyone a mentor to
you when you got into this industry or did you
know have you gained any mentors as you've been in it?
Speaker 2: No? Actually, and since I started stripping, then camming and
fetish than porn. So what I do now is I mentor?
Speaker 1: That was what I was going to ask. Are you
mentored because you're now knowledgeable on it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I've got a whole, you know, gaggle of models. I
just recently helped a bunch of models to get like
their pictures for a BM to have signed, hooking them
up with photographers, helping them design business cards, this and that.
There's one girl where you know, she's twenty four to
twenty five, but like the biggest thing is either young
or milf, and she looks young. So I was like
really kind of lean into that. But like it's like
walking through a field and you know where the land
mines are, Just tell them it's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so weird. There's a weird dichotomy.
Because I hear strip clubs the back room is very competitive,
very a little bit cutthroat. It can be. I guess
it depends on the club. I've heard a lot of
horror stories of girls who used to strip and say,
you know that's my client over there, don't go near them.
This and that. Yeah, that does happen. But I also
have heard that there are mentors kind of in the
strip game. A girl teach you how to do this,
show you how to do this. Yet when you go
on Twitter and you look at porn star Twitter, everything's
so nice. It doesn't seem as competitive until like someone
gets canceled or something like that. Then that's just that's
just the front room. See, and maybe that's it, that's
the front room, but it doesn't a lot of interviews
I do a lot of people say no, I didn't
really have a mentor. I didn't have someone that show
me how to do this.
Speaker 2: Now so I and I realize that, and now that
I've got, you know, all of the information, like there's
nothing you can do in sex work, but I haven't
done or been adjacent to, so I just try to
help out.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, do you have anyone under your wing
currently that you can see and recognize like like, yes,
she'll make it in this industry, But is there anyone
you look at and go and I'm not asking you
to name them necessarily, but superstar status. I see superstar
status in this person.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say superstar yet that she's going to do
real well, okay. And she's one of the girls I
helped design, you know, the like her pictures to sign
it ab in and I was telling her like that,
this is the kind of paper it needs to be on,
and this and that, and she sent me a bunch
of photos and I was like, it's going to be
this one making eye contact like it's the whole thing.
And there's another one who I absolutely adore. And she's
going to be really, really great in for right now
the fetish and amateur scene. She's going to blow it
up in like the next year and we'll see where
she goes from there.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I will ask that name off camera
because you never know, she might quit tomorrow and then
we all look foolish. Who knows when you came into
the porn industry, did you have, like you said, your
personal boundaries and your boundaries, did you have things that
were set and did anything eventually lessen and you know
you're like, I'll try that now, maybe you enjoy wait whatever,
it was.
Speaker 2: Well starting stripping. I started stripping in a glhom city
and you cannot touch like you sit on your hands.
So like that was a big one to get used
to because I started after I turned twenty one because
of the laws. I started dancing in Dallas, and I
was like, oh my god, he has his hands on
her hips. That's crazy. It's just kind of like the
new normal, and like am I okay with that? Like
like it's fine if he puts his hands there, like whatever, sure,
and stuff like that, And it's always just kind of
been like okay because when I by the time I
finally got to porn after like fetish and camming and stuff,
was just sure, there's only one thing that's happened on
a porn set where like instead of saying cut, I
just looked at him and said dude, because he just
like he spit in my face. Like was that planned
it all? Was it a rough shoot?
Speaker 1: No? Okay?
Speaker 2: Because like you know, we go through the dews and
don'ts with each other and like get to know each
other and get to know it, you know, we're comfortable
with and now like I used to say, like, oh,
I'm fine with everything that I'm being paid for, which
means like no anal unless that's on the on the ticket.
Speaker 3: Bit.
Speaker 2: Now I have to say, please don't spit in my face.
Speaker 1: Hey, sir, I really appreciate it if during our work
day today you could just not spit in my face.
And it was a oh man, look there's something hot
about you know, if two girls or if the girl's
really into it, a nice watery spit. I don't mind seeing.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, because I've had to explain that to you
and they're like, okay, so no spit, and I'm like,
I'm not saying that, like you can just but it
was like and it was also a shoot house in Miami,
and you know you have to turn the air condisctors
off like because.
Speaker 1: Of the buzz. So it was hot.
Speaker 2: Everyone was sweating and he just but like I just
looked at him and was like, dude, I feel like
the like director was just like.
Speaker 1: Nope, I spent the morning drinking coffee and orange juice
where it really just builds up. That is so horrendous.
Look again, you know what's sex?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 2: You know plug flint mints amazing what if flint Miants do.
So there are these Mints. It's this company that came
out and they make you salivate.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of like porn people use them.
When I see something interesting like that on Instagram, i'd'll
like DM them and be like, hey, like if you
send me some of your stuff, I'll try it out,
you know, like just disperse it.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: So Flintmants sent me like a huge box of these
things and they have different strengths and like I'm on,
you know, antidepressants, so my mouth is dry, so like
during the scenes, I'm always like chewing on them.
Speaker 1: Do you have you always? Okay? Was it something before
stripping or was it stripping? What got That's brilliant business
sense right there? Personally, you know, I do that sometimes
when I do it the new with the interviews with
the new girls, I'll say, now is the time to
mention people you'd like to work with if you want
to do that, okay, because you never knew who's going
to see it, who's going to do whatever. Did you
always have have that business sense a little bit? Or
did stripping and then camming kind of teach you what
goes into that. Uh both, Okay.
Speaker 2: Like I've always been pretty business minded about it because
this is a job and that's why I took it
because it was a job. But kind of realizing what
doors are open and what doors are shut based on
you know, what I'm doing, my follower account, what my
branding is, et cetera.
Speaker 1: What do you think your branding is right now?
Speaker 2: Usually I'm on break right now, so I have some blue,
but usually you know, I do the very all American look.
Speaker 1: Okay, blonde.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been on my Twitter.
Speaker 1: I trust me. I've been everywhere that you've been I've seen. Yes,
that's a creepy statement to make, but I'll say it anyway.
Speaker 2: You have no idea. So I'm to the point now
where I get recognized in public. Okay, usually at airports.
But I was sitting at this tea bar once starting
with someone and U said something about my cat and
he was like, oh, yeah, how is Cookie doing? And
I was like, oh, you can see on his face
like she never told me Harcout's name.
Speaker 1: That is how a thriller movie starts, by the way,
and then by chance, oh you're both in the same aisle,
isn't that weird. Yeah, what do you wish you had
more knowledge of before getting into actually shooting porn? Like again,
we talked about your business sense was good and it
developed over time. But is there something if you could
go back to the beginning of shooting content where you go, listen, Sydney,
this is what you're gonna want to do five years
from now, three years from now, whatever it is to
either to boost your business better to I don't know,
expand your horizons, to narrow your horizons. Is there anything
you would go back and tell yourself when you first
started shooting? You know there is, but.
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't have done it. It's social media. I
hate social media. I don't have any personal social media
Like I've had a like agencies and uh like stuff
like that says, just why aren't your numbers where they
need to be? Is because I don't want to fucking
tell the whole world that I had an egg and
a piece of Avocadi for breakfast, Like what the fuck?
And yet no one cares? But then they're like, everyone cares.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that there are a group of people who
give a shit what you had for breakfast, right, and
if you post it topless, they'll sign up for it. Okay, yeah. Uh.
Do you wish you had any skills that you had
developed before coming into this? Not so much knowledge, but
is there something again, not that you would go back
and tell yourself, but do you go, man, I wish
in my first year of shooting content, I may have
been better at this h stepping out bullshit and price negotiation,
pricing and good I never ask price. I never ask
any of that stuff because I think, and this is
no disrespect to you. I think if the audience heard
how little you get paid, they'd be the first scenes
you'd be. They'd be so depressed, like yeah.
Speaker 2: I love it when they're like I jerked off to
you all day and then I'm like, oh, you should
grab something off my wishless then like to say thank
you and they're like, oh, but I watched your content
all day, Like okay.
Speaker 1: I think the outside perception is Sydney shows up for
her shoot. It's an hour long scene, so it takes
an hour and fifteen minutes. She gets paid between twenty
and thirty thousand dollars as she leaves, and then never
touches her phone the rest of the night. Did you
know getting into this. Okay, so again you had stripped
and you had done this and that, did you know
getting into this industry? It would be as little to
do with you having sex with people on camera as
it actually is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, actually Okay, most of my job is
back end. Yeah, like all have worked all day that
haven't said a word on social media, Like it's there's
so much back end. And then I was lucky to
be a camirl first, so hardware software, I got it, sure,
but like I really want to hire someone. But like
I did hire someone for like a week to do
my only fans and I speak plainly, I guess you
would say. And my clients caught on immediately and I
had to fire them.
Speaker 1: You know what you gotta do it. I mean, I
get it. What's up?
Speaker 2: They were like, hey, sexy, like you're not sitting here.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see. I wrote down some other questions,
but I really want to get into the stuff we
were talking about. Let me say, are you tied in
do you feel like you're tied into any specific mitch
or your niche? Are you tied into a milf niche
at this point to like the average viewer, and do
you have any problem with that? Do you wish you
could be seen as anything different? No, milf is fine.
Speaker 2: I started like actual porn when I was thirty two,
so they were like, welcome to porn. You're everyone's mom,
like I occasionally get to be hot wife or like
that wasn't some sort of position of power like I'm
a teacher or a doctor or something like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, last one that I have written, like, we'll go,
But how do you ensure that your content aligns with
your authentic This sounds so stupid. I write these out
when I'm like smoking weed late at night, and I
go make it sound very professional to do it. How
do you ensure the content you create aligns with your
authentic self rather than just market demands or fuck it,
they're paying for it. Whatever the market needs. As long
as it's within my boundaries, I'll put it out there.
B Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: Sydney Page is a character that I created, and she
was created for you to like her.
Speaker 1: Very fair, but she.
Speaker 2: Like I know that there are other things I could
do to make the character more likable, but I have
to keep it kind of in my realm. Sure, otherwise
I might go crazy. And I have seen people completely
lose themselves to characters, even with like voice pitch and stuff,
and it's weird to watch.
Speaker 1: Sure, Oh yeah that is. Yeah, it's a little strange
from the outside. If you see I.
Speaker 2: Met I met one. She created her character, then she
became her character. She's very well off now and like retired,
so maybe I should have done that, But she.
Speaker 1: Did her voice as I can't did her voice change
after she retired then, Like, if you see her now,
she's like, hey, how you doing, Sydney, what's going on? No,
she became the girl she created for life too. Yeah.
I know you're a musician as well, right, yes, okay,
is that the first love by far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been playing music all my life. My aunt
and uncles have a rock band. Like my whole family's musicians.
And if you can't play an instrument, you can paint
and right, like it's just a bunch of artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. My dad cut down trees before he died,
and my mom worked for the state, So I didn't
really get any of those good genes passed on.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't say they were good. We're artists, we're sad. Okay,
that's fair. My wife is an artist. She's always quite sad.
But you know what, so that is that your first love? Obviously?
Yes it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you ever or do you do you
ever try and incorporate music into your content, either your
only fans or anything else we.
Speaker 2: Have we've done, like some TikTok videos. I was at
a shoot. One of the guys sat down and played
the piano and it was eleanor Rigby. So I started
singing elinor Rigby, and then the producer played guitar, and
like it became like just this jam session all of
a sudden. But I put it on TikTok. It's pretty cool,
and my mouth is like full of doughnut or muffin
or whatever.
Speaker 1: My wife and I own about six guitars. I can
only play the solo from smells like teen Spirit, And
that's about where it dies off. About the first thing
you learn, yep, just about not so much the power
chords with it. But you know, were you in a
collection of bands throughout your life or was it a solo?
I was in one band when I was in high school.
Speaker 2: I was in an industrial Bandwise, it's.
Speaker 1: Just been me hanging out make a noise. Did you
ever play any live shows. We played one at a
bowling alley. Very nice. Yeah, some big fat girl yelled
at me and I said, shut up, bitch, and I
got kicked back the stage.
Speaker 2: My aunt and nucles they have recorded songs and they
play live and then I shoot their music videos because
I've got, like, you know, all this technoledge now, and
so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I liked.
Speaker 2: I really up to you behind the camera when it
comes to music, Okay, Like I want to bring the
art to your sound.
Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in being behind the camera
in the other industry you're very quite successful in. Do
you want to eventually grow into being a director like Fuller?
I already do that, Like with the girls, I mentor.
I also offer space. I've been a makeup artist, so
I'll do their makeup. Brand send me like lingerie and stuff.
So I give them that. They show me scripts. I
tell them, you know, this is three fetishes in one.
It could be three great videos instead of one long one.
Just all this stuff. So I am behind the camera
quite a bit. Okay, all right, let me dive into it.
Some of the stuff you've been talking about recently online.
I think it's so important not just because my family
struggles with so much mental mental illness sounds rough? What
do we say mental illness? Everyone's crazy in my house. Yeah,
we're a bunch of crazies. Sure, I'm positive. My mother
is OCD. My brother died of a drug addiction. My
dad was a dry drunk who went to work on
my birthday three years ago and was killed at work.
My wife and I are both lexapro babies. You know
she's on there, you go, She's on a much higher
script than I am. But let me ask you, and
please stop me when it's uncomfortable, because I am, like
you said, I am.
Speaker 5: I'm a blunt speaker. Okay, fair enough. It needs to
be talked about. That's why I talk about it so much.
And you know, people get this that I'm not hosting titties,
but it ain't.
Speaker 1: For you home. Let me ask you when did you
when do you think the symptoms for whatever? Well? Can
I ask you? Are you diagnosed with anything? Is it
self diagnosed? No, I'm diagnosed.
Speaker 2: I have a complex trauma disorder and an ADHD and
that comes along with panic attacks and depression and basically
are good.
Speaker 1: My brain is broken? Sure? Sure? And yeah, I'm sure
social media and online and everything else really helps with
that as well. I know I throw my phone and
I can't and I know I've spent the last ten years.
I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD, but I can't read
a page anymore without getting down to the bottom and
going what the fuck did I read halfway up?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you get through a page in a book
and you're like, wait.
Speaker 1: What did anyone say there? Yeah, let me go back,
and then you never read it the right way again.
So I just gave up on books. Truthfully, when did
you When did you recognize you were having these problems
that you have? And when do you think you actually
started to develop them? Like I can think back to
when I was eight years old and I knew I
felt not normal in terms of sadness. Yeah, and then
I wasn't. I didn't find out about it. You know
what I may have had until fourteen fifteen sixteen? Do
you did you always have this feeling behind you know
what you have?
Speaker 2: I kind of did. But my whole family depression runs
through all of us. And the saddest person I've ever
met in my life is my mother. And unfortunately I
got the silver model. So yeah, I've always kind of
like known and I like to be by myself. But
then around sixteen seventeen, I was like, something's like not right.
That was the first time I had a conversation with
a family member about like maybe I should be taking medication.
And then they were like you need money for that,
and I was like, good point. So I started taking
medication when I was twenty three.
Speaker 1: But this is depression that I have.
Speaker 2: It is ever present, Like it's not something that comes
and goes, like I tell people you need to give me
an orgasm and a million dollars, but there's like this
electric hum of just.
Speaker 1: I it's it's something just isn't sitting right. You look
around and everything is sitting right, and there's something in
your head saying there's not There's something that's not there.
Speaker 2: It's like I say, it's like walking parallel to reality,
Like I see it, I see what's supposed to be
happening here, and then like I'm not involved. But do
I want to be involved? Should I get involved? Or
should I just like stand over here like I'm just
gonna do whatever mine is.
Speaker 1: Everything is firing on all cylinders. Shit's going great. My
wife is telling me, this is so great, You're doing
such a great thing, great job, and just something pops
in where I go, and it's maybe this is trauma based,
but something pops in there. Are you sure I'm not
a piece of shit? I just I was again, and
I was smoking a lot of weed the other day,
and I start tearing up to her. I'm sorry to
admit this to my audience. I know you guys think
I'm a big, cool, tough guy. I'm not, and I
never give that impression. I'm a bowl of jello. But
I said, she's buying like the cool girl attitude. I'm
just fucking sad. I'd go by angry and I hate everything,
but in a funny way, like you know, we'll watch
a trailer in my wife O good, that doesn't look bad.
I go, oh, I fucking hate that. That looks terrible.
But it's something in my back of my head that
just goes you're wrong. No matter what question you ask yourself,
you're wrong. You're wrong, You're wrong. Yes, is it right
to do this shit? I feel happy about doing You're wrong. No,
you're wrong, And it never goes away. It feels like right, yeah, present,
So what had uh? One one other thing and I
want to then I want to get into sorry. One
other thing I'd like to say, and then I'd like
to get into you. Uh. I heard a Rogan interview
a few years ago, and you know, anyone's opinion on
Joe Rogan whatever it is. But the guest was very
interesting and he was talking that a lot of these
mental conditions that people have may not actually be and
this isn't to downplay it for you or for anyone else,
may not actually be as chemically driven as they are
trauma driven in our past. And I found so I
know about this.
Speaker 2: What happens is parts of your brain and parts of
the connections that are supposed to be made atrophy. So
at that point medication doesn't help anymore. And that's where
I'm at. I quit taking my antidepressants some month or
so ago because I saw a doctor and he was
basically like, because I just brought a list because I'm
in a new place, like about to scare the show
out of this dude. And he was like, okay, so
I like it's going going on this long, it's ever present,
Like these parts of your brain have atrophy. What we
need to do is like regrow the connection. So now
I'm doing ketamine imfusions.
Speaker 1: So that's so scary to the outside person hearing that.
Sorry to me, I'm not thrilled about it either.
Speaker 2: Might get to go once a week and chill out
and you know, put poison in my veins and be like,
please be happy.
Speaker 1: So again me being just dumb outside. That's kenna means
a horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an anesthetic.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so talk me through it. You're going once
a week now if you're comfortable talking about it, and
how long does it take?
Speaker 2: So the full course of treatment for severe life threatening
treatment resistant depression is eight okay, and then after that,
if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to
TMS with it, which is like the electricity, And then
if that doesn't work, we're going to move on to ECT,
which is impatient where every couple of days they put
you under and induce seizures to kind of just turn
your brain off and back on again. And that's fucking terrifying,
very like it's been twenty years, more than twenty years, Like,
can make it stop?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: If it's too personal, don't answer, and actually I don't
even need details if it's too personal at all. Do
you know, like a the traumatic event that you think
may have triggered some of this in your life?
Speaker 2: Oh, my childhood wasn't great, okay, and then you know
the nature versus nurture thing, and you know the depression
runs through my family. I never said a freaking chance.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, fair enough, So you already had the genes
and then you went through a rough childhood as is. Yeah, yeah,
I can you know, same thing with my wife, same
thing with me. You can kind of identify. I can't
identify one my probably can one exact moment. Yeah, I
we won't talk about it here.
Speaker 2: Those moments were like I'm one hundred percent sure that
this made it worse. Really yeah, Like there are there
are there are four traumatic events that have happened in
my adult life post eighteen life where I'm like, that
fucked it up, that fucked it up really bad.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about? Not detailed? What do you
remember I remember this of those events, I have them
in my head too. When I was about well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything, I can smell it, I can hear it,
I can see it, like my body goes full into it,
I'll start panicking. But I'm just chilling on the couch.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I park at the grocery store
most of the time, but I can recall those things.
Speaker 2: Like pull into the driveway and be like how did
I get? But those on April seventeenth, two thousand and seven,
I became.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So how do we Is there a
way to not I don't want to say check this.
Let me ask you. Is porn good or bad for
things like this people? It really depends on the person, gotcha? Okay,
So how do we assess that when it comes to
newer people coming into the industry.
Speaker 2: First of all, if you have to do anything mind
altering to be at your scene, you need to leave.
If you ever have the I don't know if I
want to do this, leave it's not worth it, Go home,
right reevaluate?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's just are we're talking boundaries thing? Or
maybe ye or.
Speaker 2: Like you know, your agent's pushing you to do something,
and you feel like there's a lot of like peer
pressure from you know, people's impositions of power, especially with
these young girls, and they don't really have the wherewithal
to be like no, right, absolutely because they like, maybe
it's right, maybe it's not, because they're still learning, they're
still like becoming grown ups, so it's not you know,
any faults of their own, but like if you have
a second thought, listen to it.
Speaker 1: Sure, And that that's kind of why mentorship is so important,
because so many of them don't know, don't know, like
like we said early on, right, sometimes it's a shitty
thing you got to do, but it's not outside of
your boundaries normally this guy's ugly. You know, you book
for the scene, do it.
Speaker 2: But then I get paired with young girls a lot
because I'm mom and all. They'll like go boundaries and
stuff with the director and everyone there, and then I'll
pull them into the bathroom and be like, okay, like
I will not affect your job in any way, but like,
please tell me your real boundaries because I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna get real creepy, real fast.
Speaker 2: They teach them like the double tap thing, because there
was one girl I had to be kind of aggressive with.
They had to lift her up and put her on
a counter, like sort of aggressive, and I was like,
if at any time I'm doing anything that you're not liking,
double tap me. And I will switch, gotcha, because they
don't want to say no because they think it'll like
fuck their shit up, because you know, I have to
like poke and product them a little bit, like listen,
like I don't care, we're going to get this scene done.
You're gonna be comfortable, we're gonna get paid, We're gonna
get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Have you had any pushback from any younger girls on that? No? No, okay, interesting,
I don't know if sometimes they know more than you.
You know how younger people are sometimes like you do
this face? Oh okay, fair enough, you don't fuck with
this face? No, I wouldn't. I'm terrified doing this interview
right now. So have you gotten any I know, your
own break right now, But have you gotten any pushback
or anyone in the industry saying, hey, maybe don't discuss
industry wise. I understand fans are look, sure you don't.
I'm not worried about your electroshock therapy. But have you
gotten any pushback from the industry, like, hey, Sydney, maybe
dial it back just a little bit.
Speaker 2: So by the time I started speaking about mental health,
it was not I've been speaking about it the whole time,
but like my personal struggles and stuff. It was last year,
and you know, I don't have an agency anymore because
you know, one on one is letting a rapist be
an agent and I'm not cool with that. I told
I publicly told them to fuck often lose my number.
But at that point I was speaking with another fetish
model and I was like, I don't know how to
like make this palatable, like what I need to say
that I need to take time off? And she was
just like, do you care about your job? Like do
you care if you get like fired? And I was
just like so she was like, well, say all the
things you need to say, then like just do it,
because like I like, if my entire career disappeared tomorrow,
like I'll find something else to do.
Speaker 1: I grew up in poverty. We'll figure it out. Do
you think, what do you think? You would try and
say it goes away tomorrow, Mainstream call mister president. Mainstream
calls you up tomorrow and goes we will never book
another scene with you again, continue on as you please.
Would it just be camming and only fans for a while?
Would you go back to it?
Speaker 2: Was like that sounds like a personal challenge that sounds
like I need to start an agency.
Speaker 1: And that's a good point. You mentioned an agency in
there and issues. Again, I am not I'm not up
to date on the behind the scenes of any of
these things, so I'm going to keep everything general if possible,
and say this. I know a couple of weeks ago
a person, a performer was canceled somewhat quote unquote online Okay,
oh yeah, I saw that if you were to have
had a good experien sperience with a performer, and then
it came out later that one person, not a plethora
of people, but one person was like, no, this happened this.
What is your personal opinion on that? Would you go
to that person and say what happened? The male in
that case or both, what what happened? There?
Speaker 2: Would be willing to run on like how close we are?
But you know, people have different personalities, and I've seen
male talent and producers and directors treat other women very
differently than they treat me. And I'm not going to
discount anyone else's personal experience. Like again, I have this space,
so I don't get fucked with a lot, but I've
like I've seen it, and I've been like that's that, Okay,
don't do that right. So, like if he was a
really good because I had one, he wasn't getting canceled.
But there was some drama between like this director and
another director, and I was like, I'm gonna hear them
both out, like because I know both of you, and
it just added up to be a bunch of like miscommunication,
nonsense and you know, territorial bullshit and whatever.
Speaker 1: I saw. One woman was getting harassed because she was
still selling a video that she had with one of
these Yeah, and now again that that is like the
first time I've seen back room of a strip club
on porn Star Twitter where I'm like, oh, these people
are going at each other.
Speaker 2: The only one that really bothered me is someone came
out and she posted this whole thing about like I'm
not gonna, you know, stand in line with you guys,
Like I'm not gonna like insolidarity. Like it was a
post that was like whoa yeah, where she basically said
like I'm gonna do whatever I want to do and
I'm not going to like stand with victims.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was just like, well, blot, oh my god,
you know, I totally get that, and I feel that
way too. I think that's terrible. But the entire comment
section was like, girl, are you for real? And I
get that. I think that's just a dumb business decision,
Like the money's in the women, you're gonna want to
say so if you had a great experience with a
guy and someone else had a bad one. It's almost like, hey,
I'm going to pretend like I wasn't on Twitter that day.
Maybe if like, you know, if I have a gent
but I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had to come out and say something similar to
that because people were talking about Robert from one to one
and I said something and I was like and people
were like, yeah, you know, stand with the victims, and
I was like, I personally was not a victim. However,
I do stand with you totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you know if I was. It's
so tough because that one that we talked about recently
was again in a positive way, not a negative way.
A pileon in a good way, like Pioleon sounds like
a bad thing the way I'm using it. Oh yeah,
that sounds good. In foreign it's like everyone putting their
hands up, going, yes, I've had an experience like that.
As well. I've had it.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it takes someone saying you know this, and
you know there's a lot of coercion, and then like
you're like, wait a minute, oh my god, that did
happen to me? And you know, like it takes someone
saying something for other girls to kind of put two
and two together about like something they felt uneasy about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they may have felt uneasy, and then someone else
says they're not supposed to do that, and it clicks
in your head and go, well, shit, they did that
with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh my god, I'm a victim too, like
we need to stand together and stand against But then
you know, I'm I'm on the porn like WhatsApp like
where all the girls talk. So I do also see
where it can snowball into a dangerous place. Like if
we could all keep a cool, level head and keep
to facts, Yeah, that'd be great, Like put the pitch
forks down, h let's have dialogue.
Speaker 1: I think people that should be out of the industry
should be pushed and forced out of the industry. My
only concern is I've had one bad interview with the
porn so I've done one hundred and fifty of these.
And I won't name the lady, but she's a she's
a you know, older lady who's you know, worked in
the two thousands, and the whole episode she just bitched
me about younger girls don't want to fucking work. They
all want to get paid, none of this, and that
they'll or no maybe it was, they'll do things for
free and this, and I get that, I get why
that's a concern, but then don't sit there and bitch
to me the whole time about it and at the
end be like, and I can't figure out why I
can't get work anymore. It's like, I think you might
just have a bad attitude. So I start offering suggestions
again unprompted. I should have shut my fucking mouth, but
I start going, you know, have you ever considered maybe
this because she's not I don't know social media and
don't know this.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing with the like you know standing,
you know, with the victims and stuff. That's it's also
a good business model because I get oust all the time,
like by directors and producers that are on friendly levels
with like hey, who around here should I hire?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you should have it like this world's professional, like,
I'm not gonna say the girl who was like I
don't stand with victims, Like I'm not gonna not gonna
recommend you for shit.
Speaker 1: No, but and I can't recall who was and I
wouldn't name them anyway, but that one person who they were, like,
this is my highest selling video and she wasn't like
some shit read Yeah I know, I know, I yeah,
I don't remember exactly who it was. But I think
to myself, I go, man, that really fucking sucks. You
either stand with your people and lose however much revenue
and maybe that's rent this month.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a tough situation. No, no, okay, fair enough,
But it's your highest selling video.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: It's also massively triggering and is going to take away
opportunities in the future. You're going to lose money keeping
that video up.
Speaker 1: Right, come out and be the good guy and say
I'm deleting this video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it off, Say you took it off. Say
I wasn't personally a victim. But hearing all these stories,
I don't think I want to be associated with this.
Speaker 1: Again. I think from the outside, my biggest concern would
be imagine I go I stand with all these other
people and I will delete my videos and whatever. And
then it turns out like that guy, someone just had
one bad interaction with him and he ends up getting supported.
Speaker 2: This is multiple They've been going on for a little bit.
I'm surprised it took this long to blow up.
Speaker 1: Actually totally. That seemed like it was a case of
that's a rough performer and maybe they didn't stay within boundaries.
Was that kind of the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, you can withdraw consent and
that was the complaint of like two or three of
the girls, is you know they withdrew consent and then
the performer kept going.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't want to challenge that face of yours,
but let me ask you how the business like in
a nice way, because you're you know, how does the
business work if you were halfway through filming a scene
they've agreed to pay for I don't know what they
even pay for, travel, hotel, anything like that, and you
withdraw consent? What is the what is the business aspect
of that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Again, everyone works differently, but what would you expect if
I withdraw consent? I I'm probably uncomfortable enough and pissed
off enough that I don't really care about the money,
Like I'm out.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. I get that there should be some
at least travel and hotel should at least be covered.
I don't know, it's generally like already been covered.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Like if you're already like out there
and then you're in the hotel, you've already flown out there.
But like I mean, get on Twitter, find someone else
to work lists, I mean, just talk to people.
Speaker 1: Does this answer my question I was gonna ask? Has
porn benefited or been negative for your your mental health?
Mental health? Don't say mental illness, mental health beneficial? Is
that why you're taking a break? Do you need to
see if this is a negative for you, you know,
on the whole.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm taking the break because ketemine infusions are rough,
and I'm really focusing on self care. I'm really focusing
on my physical health. Has nothing to do with work.
I mean, I'm still I picked up a show the
other day because someone wanted to show Like I'm still
kind of doing stuff, but like my main focus right
now needs to be myself.
Speaker 1: Okay, And are you gonna go down that full path
we discussed earlier with checking in electrocuting your head to
seizure all those pleasant things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if what I'm doing doesn't work, and try something else.
And if that doesn't work, we're trying something else.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, what's the difference If you're not comfortable sitting
around talking being yourself? Who fucking cares what job you have,
what anything else? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Like being as sex workers allowed me to afford these things,
So like it's been great. There are definitely days where
I'm like, this is negative my mental health for sure,
But then like I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't
have been able to afford antidepressants, wouldn't have andon with Pineapple,
Like I helped Lay when she was setting that up.
We did like podcasts and stuff. They've been there for me,
Like I have a lot of resources now and a
great support network because of sex work.
Speaker 1: I kind of know, but can you explain the audience
what is Pineapple exactly?
Speaker 2: So Pineapple it is mental health care for sex workers.
So personally, I have been fired by a therapist because
of my job because he was like, all your problems
are your job, and I'm like, this is how I'm
paying you and it's absolutely not. So it's like people
that they have listeners so if you just need to
vent and then they can hook you up with therapists.
They've hooked me up with a psychologist recently because the
thing has got a little bad. And then there's also
Cupcake Girls, which is another they do group and things
like that like addiction therapy, like just you know, getting
stuff together. They are like awesome organizations and they're completely
like run by given money by charity, so they're at
all the conventions and like they're there like spin the
Wheel and you know, they have an inflatable couch that
all the porn stars signed to like raffle Off and
stuff like it's really great and it's not really taking
money from anyone. And it's also sliding scale, so like
if you're like I'm depressed as shit and broke, like
they can still help you, like just you know, lay
it all out for them. Well, if they have a
donation link, I'll put a link to that in the
episode description as well. If you're listening or watching this
right now, you do want to contribute to that. Pineapple
is fantastic and the one the girl who runs it,
the girl who found it. She's also amazing, and like
it's worldwide and you know, some of their biggest contributors
are like Streammate and like cams dot com and stuff
like that. So like we're all kind of coming together
for that because if we feel healthy and we're happier
because we have to be on for everybody, everyone makes
more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you feel better. Yeah. You know, if
you're happy, you're gonna film more scenes. You're going to
be more energetic during that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. You probably put on a performance no
matter how you're feeling that day. I assume, right, sometimes
it's really hard. Yeah. Oh yeah, okay, let me let
me donut hold this back around. I think that's a
radio turn back to some of the content in the beginning.
All right, do you think you have a definitive scene
that if someone was like, I'd love to see your work, Sidney,
you go right there. Check out that one. No.
Speaker 2: I so this is a weird fact. I have never
seen any of your porn.
Speaker 1: Huh, how does that work? I understand it. I have
to actually edit this with my audio turned off. I
said it to make sure that an embarrassment can't do it.
I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Like I see the people post gifts and I'll like
repost them, but I've never like I've gotten fan mail
like I loved you and this, this sist and this
and their titles. I don't know what the fucking times
of the studios are.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute. I saved the
title just because I thought it was the most ridiculous
fucking thing I'd ever heard. Is it the dick talking one? No,
it's frum. It's from one of your MILF scenes. Okay.
The title on IAFD, which is the Internet Adult Film Database,
which you know what. Let's do a thing I do
called stat check first. Okay, this is just using the
Internet Adult Film Database. It's basically to track the progress.
Now it doesn't include the fifty scenes you did over
here and the two hundred you did for of and
this and that. The numbers are wrong. Every time I
present that, the woman I'm interviewing goes like this, Okay, good,
the numbers are wrong. I lay out the numbers and
they go those are wrong. I go, yeah, no, I know,
I gotcha, Mike.
Speaker 2: I've personally emailed them once because like every single thing
was wrong on the page.
Speaker 1: Well, let's check the MENA scenes I have is one
hundred and fifty four male performers you've worked with, fifty
seven female performers. You've worked with fifty four. It lists
you as a nominee for an award, but I only
do avn It seems like the easiest way to check it.
Do I see zero noms and zero wins, no wins,
but I've been nominated. I've been nominated, okay, one time,
two times to any idea, Oh bunch, okay, all right,
I'll make sure that's fixed up. I don't keep it up.
I don't go to the shows.
Speaker 2: Like like when I still had an agent, she was like,
you're going to ABM this year and you're going to
sign And I was like, I don't understand my fingers
on cardoor and she didn't think that was funny.
Speaker 1: I like to bring we wear in New Jersey, so
I like to go to Exotica and I bring my wife.
And my wife is my producer, but she's Danella, she's
an artist.
Speaker 2: She basically got They paid for me to go to
New Jersey in twenty nineteen because I was one of
the trophy girls for the Ink Towards.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, did you like it? Did it smell
like an oram pit?
Speaker 2: The thing was is, I was fucking nobody at the time,
and it was me and Lauren Phillips and then small
Hands and uh ashit, I'm blinking on her name Joe
Milana Angel. Yeah, so it was us for you know
them super famous me. The guy's name is Dick. That
was like just doing all this stuff. And he was
just like, I saw you on cam and I really
liked you. I thought you had all this stuff. And
I was like, okay, like, I'm fucking nobody on this stage.
A bit cool.
Speaker 1: I let me tell you though. I interviewed Brandon McKenna
early on in her career, who is a great performer,
and I went to go meet her at Exotica with
my wife. I do a little like the thumbnail I make.
I just want you to throw a signature on it
so I can hang up. And she turns around. She
almost teared up. She's like, you came here to see me.
I was like, you're the store here. What are you
talking about? That happens? That happens to me.
Speaker 2: The first time I went to AVNN, I wasn't signing
or anything. I just went to like hang out and
people were like, oh, sit in Paige. And then like
right after COVID it was like Exotica expis or something
in Miami and I had a hat on, a mask on,
and I was walking and someone yelled my name and
I was like.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Is that cool? Incognito mode? Is that cool? Or is
that not cool? It's fine.
Speaker 2: It was just weird, okay, fair enough, Like especially when
I started getting fan mail, like like papers with stamps,
like there's logistics to go through, Like it's just very
very odd.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure. The title for this milk scene, according to
the Internet Adult Film Database is anal Auntie's Escapades. Now
do you remember shooting anal Auntie's Escapades? Do you know
who you filmed it with? Was it NICKI Rebel? No,
it was Ryan King. I believe Ryan King? Oh yep,
I do? I do? I know? Yeah, Jay Rock Shurrett
did that. Okay, Yeah it was Uh. It was the
first ridiculous title I saw pop up there and I
went home. Yeah, I had to do.
Speaker 2: So during that scene, he's out, my nephew is out,
and I have to like send like sexy snaps with like,
you know, you have to put the words in there,
like Auntie's waiting for you, and I still have those
in my phone. Like if anyone gets ahold of my phone,
they're gonna be like, what the fuck do you have?
The camera had to show what was on my phone.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you question and then we're gonna wrap
this up soon. But do you have any moral objection
to anything that is in the norm as far as
mainstream goes? No, you're acting right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's partly because I don't have kids,
fair enough. I just I don't have that connection.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Because when I first started, they were like, we can
make you the ant and I was like, what's the
difference and they were like, mom sells more and I
was like, well get a mom, then.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you had started as little sister and worked
up and then either had nephews or nieces or whatever,
you might go h just wondering, just wondering. We've had
a really good discussion about newer people coming in. So
this is a question I posed to everyone, and I
am shocked by the answer most of the time. What
is the eight? Because there. There's a whole bunch of
different ways to go around it. There's Devil's advocates, there's
you know, what is the age that women should be
able to get into porn? And then I'll throw a
million Devil's advocates at you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think eighteen is too young. I would say
probably twenty one.
Speaker 1: So I've interviewed plenty of people, a lot of girls
who started at eighteen. They all say twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I started. I started three days after my ageent birthday.
Speaker 1: Now, to be fair, you have the anecdotal, not evidence,
the anecdotal cases where it's the sixteen year old girl
got kicked out of her house, jumped on couches for
two years. She's eighteen, Now, shouldn't she be able she
could go fight in a war overseas or you know,
be executed in the electric chair. Shouldn't she be able
to do this? No? I was a survival sex worker. Sure.
Speaker 2: I needed the money, sure, and like, because I do
think about that, like, you know, if that wasn't available
to me, like those because in those three years I
started dancing, Like I got my awn apartment, I bought
a car. I was able to you know, focus more
on college, Like I did so much stuff, but like
what we're doing we don't understand. And then like I
kind of like went on a better path than some
of the others I've seen. There was a girl that
I worked with who was eighteen, who was still in
high school, and you know, three months later when she's
ready to graduate, she looks completely different and has an
oxy addiction. Yeah, okay, but like, yeah, you need a
little but this goes. I don't think it's about age.
I think it's about situation, like maybe you should have
had better parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And it's about maturity too, because I've
met nineteen year olds who blow these forty year olds
out of the water in terms of maturity. So it's
always tough. We kind of came to this consensus, and
I wonder if you would sign off on this, just
say we're not going to be able to get it
out entirely. Yeah, what about from eighteen to twenty one?
You can have a solo only fans account only. You
cannot shoot mainstream, you cannot shoot with a mail. They
won't upload it, they won't take it. What And then
once you've been in and understand it more than just
dipped your toe. You've actually learned the social media aspect,
you know about the stuff going on behind the scenes
twenty one hits. Now you can go shoot your first
you know, you know, double anal gangbangs if you'd like, yeah,
I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I kind of got training rules too, because I started,
you know, eighteen to twenty one Oklahoma and no contact.
Speaker 1: It was a beer bar.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't serve alcohol the twenty one year olds
on the premises, so it was beer. So like I
training willed into it too, okay, but I still wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, And I've met some thirty five year olds
who weren't ready when they got into this, So it's
always tough. I'm in agreement with you that I think
twenty one is probably better. You don't want to make
a string of mistakes at eighteen that you'll eventually overcome
and whatever.
Speaker 2: But I don't think you should be on camera. For
those I would go and get a titty bar, like,
don't be on maybe don't fuck up on camera.
Speaker 4: It's not to follow you for the rest your life.
It's not a terrible idea. I don't dislike that, like
until you're twenty one, No cameras, Ladies and gentlemen, I
guess tonight, Sydney Page. You know exactly where you can
find her at. Sydney Page links to all of our
social media in the episode description below. Remember it's Monday,
you don't have any money, you're broke. You have to
at least follow her on Twitter, okay, Instagram, anywhere else
she is on social media.
Speaker 1: Friday rolls around. Your kid is like, oh, I need
the payments for my braces. You tell them next week. Okay,
next week, because I have something to go, sign up
for it. Get out of here. Yeah, try a liquid diet, sweetie. Okay,
there you go, there you go. Made her gag. I
have done interviews with Sarah Jay, someone else, and you
now where I wait to make a joke until they're
drinking something. And now I can claim at every airport,
when I'm waiting for you to walk up, I can
go I made her gag and no one will understand
the context of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I love when I get recognize at the airport and
you guys walking with his wife and kids and goes,
I'm like, ladies.
Speaker 1: And gentlemen, Sidney Page, Sidney, thank you, so much. I
really do appreciate not just what you're doing to help
your own self in this, but how much you're doing
for other people. I would say, as long as it's
not affecting your money, keep putting it out there because
they're such great stories, and you know, the mental health stuff,
the mental illness, the crazy stuff is so important to
get out there.
Speaker 2: It really is, so I mean, even if it does
affect my money a little bit, Like, it's the truth.
Like the conversation I had with the girl that was, like,
how do I make it palatable? Just like it's the truth.
Just tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Sweet Yeah, Sidney Page, thank you so much for coming
on with me, no problem, Thank you,