1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and Jim and welcome back to the Penguin 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,679 Review series. I'm the clown Princip Bliss dressed. 3 00:00:08,759 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: Now I'm joined by I am the Runaway Koklab, Patzer, 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,359 the Squid Taylor Field. 5 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:17,399 Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and Jim and we are back episode three. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,320 It's called Bliss. There you go, already done, so I've 7 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:24,280 checked off that box. But we are back with Penguin. 8 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:27,039 We're here every week and check out. We've got lots 9 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:28,960 of good stuff on the feed. Patrons, look out. We 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,320 were just talking about you're gonna be get a lot 11 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:33,679 of retress, especially Patreon producers. You're gonna be getting Rise 12 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,439 Silver Surfer soon again. Fan for Stick God Loves Me 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,600 sixty nine mess to Patreon. He's like, oh, Rise Silver 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Surface soon. Absolutely, don't worry. It's and then you might 15 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:44,320 be getting for the producers. So as we said, the 16 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:47,520 retros are exclusive to Patreon. Now the Phase five Phase 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,520 two people end up get the monthly producers. You get 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,439 them all when we record them. And yeah, we're starting 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Superman which speaking of DC, so we're gonna be doing 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,240 the Christopher Weave one, which I'm so excited to talk 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,399 to you guys about because I feel like it's gonna 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,079 to multiple good conversations watching movies from the seventies always 23 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:06,120 a good time and just like where we were and everything, 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,599 So that's gonna be a good time. Also in the 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,680 DC Realm, if you want to check out, we did 26 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:15,280 review the very controversial apparently Joker Fully I do. I 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,480 can't wait to talk about on newscasts and the same 28 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:20,920 opening weekend A Morbius what the fuck? I just love 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,519 reaching on the discord and I love that last week 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,359 did the predictions, We're all, yeah, yeah, I won't be 31 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,000 like Marvel's are Awkaman and like literally it's like that 32 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,840 where just like it's crazy. So yeah, we got lots 33 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:32,680 of good stuff. Vendom's coming up, we got side Quest, 34 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:34,439 me and Dylan just record, so lots of good stuff 35 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,239 on the feeds. We got Agatha and Penguin Weekly, So yeah, 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,000 still lots of stuff going on in October. There's lots 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,920 of stuff going on with this episode. To Taylor, what 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,840 did you think of Episode three? Bliss non spoilers before 39 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,159 we get to spoilers. 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Man, this episode was awesome. I really freaking loved it, 41 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:53,560 and the intro to it totally set me for a 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,200 loop because I won't say exactly how it happens in 43 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,760 the events of this narrative, but just the way the 44 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,000 episode opened up focusing on a certain character, and yeah, 45 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:09,360 shit hits the fan. I was just thinking, like, man, 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,599 where the fuck is Batman? Like all this shit's going down, Like, 47 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,560 where the fuck is Batman? Like just letting this happen? 48 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:18,960 But they answered that that question. 49 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,039 Speaker 1: I will say so first of all, also, how is 50 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:24,120 he supposed to stop said thing like that? Like, what's 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,800 he supposed to say? 52 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,199 Speaker 3: I can't say, because it's it's we're non spoiler some 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,560 money at it, that's what he's gonna do. 54 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I. 55 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: Just I it's the way that they did that scene 56 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,319 in comparison to the episode. I can't say anything. I 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,199 have to wait to get the spoilers. It just threw 58 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,919 me for a loop for a second, until after I realized, like, oh, okay, 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:41,879 this makes sense. 60 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,199 Speaker 1: Thinking this is the worst Batman ever. Taylor is over there, 61 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,120 like what's he doing? Crimes up for this? Another big 62 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:48,560 eveng just happened? My god. 63 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,319 Speaker 3: But yeah, overall, this is a fantastic episode and I'm 64 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:57,919 really really loving Colin Farrell's Penguin. My God, he's just 65 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,280 really really delivering. I'm loving the vic Is character Sophia, Like, 66 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,719 I'm really enjoying all these different characters in this show, 67 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,560 and is the storyline that we're getting is super engaging, 68 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:11,400 and I feel like I'm just getting sucked into this, 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,840 this narrative and it's just it's fantastic. I'm really liking 70 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,000 the show a lot more than I thought I would. Again, 71 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:20,280 there's just a few tense moments, but other than that, 72 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,479 it's just it's really really good, really well written, and 73 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,879 this episode has just kept me on my toes and 74 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,639 I'm excited to see what happens next week because this 75 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,639 episode Ends'm a big cliffhanger, so I'm super jazzed and 76 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,759 i can't wait for for episode four. 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,599 Speaker 1: Yeah what about you, Patzer? 78 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:41,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I continue to absolutely love this show. I was 79 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,199 really really happy with what we got specifically around like Victor. 80 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,719 This episode. I feel like I really really am invested 81 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,759 now in this character. I was already kind of liking him, 82 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,039 but this one was definitely like the focused episode. I 83 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:57,680 feel like, not just him, but just like there's a 84 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,199 lot of stuff in there for him, and I'm yeah, 85 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,479 I'm just really liking this inclusion in the overall story 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,400 that's going on. The other two leads are just they're 87 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,039 they're they're still fantastic and the show I feel like 88 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,919 they're doing a good job, but like making me think 89 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,199 that everything can be alright with like everyone in this show. 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,759 It's just like, yeah, this is kind of going well. 91 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,560 I'm liking everyone working together, and it's just like, oh, yeah, right, 92 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,720 there's an impending doom that I feel like it's just 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,759 maybe everyone is just gonna die or something like horrible 94 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:25,439 is gonna happen. Like I don't think this is gonna 95 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:27,079 be a nice, feel good ending to this show. But 96 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:30,560 so far, I'm really enjoying the ride and h yeah, 97 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,160 it's just it's it's really fantastic what's going on, and 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,040 I'm just I'm excited for next week. And yeah, no, 99 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,240 I think it's just it's continuing to be like at 100 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,519 that caliber. I think I think at the start of 101 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,680 this episode, maybe kind of with what Taylor was alluding 102 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,879 to there, I was a little bit questioning on like 103 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:49,600 what was going on. I was like, oh, like this 104 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,279 is this is a little bit concerning here, but I 105 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:55,399 wasn't really I wasn't really looking for bat Man like 106 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:58,040 Taylor was in that sequence, and then I don't know, 107 00:04:58,079 --> 00:04:59,720 it's just like the light bulb turns on. It's like 108 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,600 oh yeah, right, okay, we're all good and yeah. It 109 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,279 ended up making me, just like other aspects of the show, 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,639 you more once it. I don't know, move past that point, 111 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:10,560 but I think that's all safe for now. 112 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard for me to say anything because you 113 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:15,439 guys just said everything I would have said. So I'm 114 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:16,839 gonna just leave for the night. You guys are gonna 115 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:17,160 take over. 116 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: I'm good, So all right, have a good night. We'll 117 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,839 take your shares for this episode. 118 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: I just try three quote abortions. But no, I agree 119 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,000 with what Kirkham just said. Where when we start talking 120 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,160 about the show in the previews, I when I saw 121 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,920 the Victor characters, like, eh, this could be like a 122 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,240 down point because that happens the allo the time. It's like, oh, 123 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,199 young prog. It's like I don't know, like I like 124 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,560 calling for Farrell's penguin like I don't need and what 125 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,959 they're doing. Of course, the show was like Soprano is 126 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,199 a very like mob like but this made me really 127 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:49,560 want to rewatch one of my favorite movies, the top 128 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,120 ten movie Goodfellas. I fucking love Goodfellas, and that aspect 129 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,439 of the youngster in the mob and learn in the ways, 130 00:05:57,439 --> 00:05:59,360 and then also seeing the old timer like kind of 131 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,040 take a shane to them, which we had seen for 132 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:03,560 previous weeks. But I feel like this was really cementing 133 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:07,399 the relationship between Penguin and Victor, and man, is that 134 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,240 gonna hurt more when fucking just destroys Victor in like 135 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:13,639 five episodes, Like you know, that's what's gonna happen, right, 136 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,040 But because he's already there's some stuff where it's like, ah, 137 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,000 there's he's still a good person. But I loved how 138 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,839 we learned more things about them because it's stuff were 139 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,680 asking last week, like hey, what's the deal with this family? 140 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,839 What's the deal? Like where does he live? All this stuff? 141 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:27,720 And they're answering a lot of it. So that was great. 142 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,240 Another connection he has I thought was great, so high 143 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,240 octane stuff. I love all the mom moves going on. 144 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,759 This to me was the best and my favorite episode, 145 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,199 even though the pilot was great. There's just something I 146 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,879 love all the inner workings and this, like already I 147 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:47,399 thought with the you know, partnership of Sophie and Penguin's like, 148 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,680 maybe get a week one or week two of there'd 149 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,839 be like a truce. But it's like already, it's like 150 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:54,800 you feel like these guys are this guy and Gal 151 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,319 are ready to pull a knife on each other and 152 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,600 just stab each other in the back right away or 153 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:00,600 in front, like to their face, calling each other out 154 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,839 a little sly shots. Oswald's trying to do his best, 155 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,920 you know, secretive game, but Sophia is so good at 156 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,920 sniffing that out. And again I always wonder, like how 157 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:12,000 much does Sofia actually know and out like it's it's 158 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,439 so good with all the different moving pieces we got 159 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,519 going on, I don't think I have much cons other 160 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,519 than one little setup they did to a character I 161 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 thought was very easy and won a little bit more on. 162 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:24,879 I think it's been a story the whole time, Like 163 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:26,399 this still doesn't make that much sense to me, but 164 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,800 I do understand a bit more. But no, this is 165 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,000 a joy every week, and it keeps ramping up and 166 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:35,319 ramping up, and yeah, this ending on like a cliffing 167 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:37,560 or the other ones have ended on like oh I 168 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,279 can't wait to see it next, or a little bit like, oh, 169 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:42,079 what's what's going like was immediately right after this is 170 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:44,920 literally like, okay, that shit had hit the fan a 171 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:47,519 lot sooner than I thought it was gonna again. And 172 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:49,959 that even happened in the pilot. So and yeah, you know, 173 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,240 as me went on Tampa, but Colin Farrell over week Man, 174 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:56,759 like he he's fucking so so good, Like it's gonna 175 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:58,600 be almost a shame when we get to the Batman tune, 176 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,240 He's gonna be back to like only fifteen to twenty 177 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,959 minutes in the movie. And I'm always gonna be happy 178 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,480 this series exists because like, not that I have the 179 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,879 time nowadays to rewatch shows, but I feel like almost 180 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:11,199 when I rewatch the Batman trilogy, if we get it's like, 181 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,839 I feel like this is gonna be essential part that'll 182 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:14,680 have to plug in there. Maybe it won't be all 183 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,759 like a binge, but maybe like, oh, an episode every 184 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,319 week or something, because I just love this character and I, 185 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,160 you know, I I they're doing a great job with 186 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:25,319 this show, so I can't wait to see what is next. 187 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:30,240 So anything else douns blows Okay, nope, and the only 188 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:31,639 thing well, actually, well take it. That break won't be 189 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,679 right back, and we're back, and the only the two 190 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,559 things we'll talk about. Of course, Patroon, you can get 191 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,320 this episode ad free, and many others join after nine. 192 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:43,600 All those retrospectives we talked about, get those exclusive and early. 193 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,320 We will be in October at some point doing should 194 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,279 be doing a Halloween watch along with the fans. But 195 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,600 the other big thing, more importantly is November second Extra Life, 196 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 our twenty four hour cherry stream is upon us, the 197 00:08:55,039 --> 00:08:57,440 eighth annual one. We've got lots of fun stuff we 198 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,200 just you know, of course we're gonna do, but we 199 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,200 officially announced and then throughout the next couple of weeks 200 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,080 we'll start announcing all the events everything. Taylor's gonna be 201 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,759 putting his facial hair on you can make him shave 202 00:09:08,799 --> 00:09:11,399 it embarrassing ways. My hair is on the line, been 203 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:13,519 growing it for two years. I'm ready to get it gone. 204 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,519 And Kirk Loon is putting I don't know something on 205 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,399 the line. He's putting his eyebrows on the line. 206 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,879 Speaker 2: No joking, Okay, it's just one of them, maybe just one, but. 207 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: No, We've got lots of good stuff to plan and 208 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,919 as always, this goes towards BC Children's Hospital. We have 209 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,080 a goal of twenty five hundred dollars, but we're gonna 210 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,120 have different incentives, like Tayl's hair is gonna be all 211 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,120 over Mine's gonna be a thousand, so whole bunch of stuff, 212 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,279 lots of good blocks of things going on, always fun 213 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,159 people popping in and out, as far as Extra Life 214 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:44,919 of geefers pass and stuff, and yeah, come watch, donate 215 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,639 if you can't, just watch and share the link of 216 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,639 that day. But if you can donate, it is tax 217 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,919 deductible and anything helps. If you can only donate a 218 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,600 couple of dollars, that's completely fine. It all goes towards 219 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,480 BC Children's Hospital. We don't have to hit the goal 220 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:57,559 for him money to go there. And later on this 221 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,679 week there will be hopefully tomorrow the X men I 222 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,240 guess we've already anounced it. But the themed Extra Life shirt 223 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:06,240 which always cell every here and all the proceeds of 224 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,960 those sales also go towards Extra Life, so we'd very 225 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,279 much appreciate it, so staying tuned to that, and it's 226 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,519 just a fun day overall. It's a good uh. You 227 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,440 get to see our bodies go through a lot in 228 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,600 that day. In twenty four hours and everything. So we'll 229 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,320 see what happens. But uh, we apparently saw a lot 230 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,200 go through, so we're gonna start from the very beginning 231 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,200 tear field. H yeah, you thought that was like a 232 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,679 fraud here or something. What was your guys exactly? So 233 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,519 I did knew exactly where we were, but you guys 234 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:31,000 were I did not really worried. 235 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,799 Speaker 2: For I did not, so yeah, I'll just say that 236 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,759 I think it was episode one. I was worried about 237 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,600 the real like relevate, relevate revelation of seeing maybe like 238 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,320 some of Victor's family or something, and like knowing that, oh, 239 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,159 he actually has a family, and it makes no sense 240 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,960 why he just hasn't talked to them these whole time, 241 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,200 that he's like stuck with Penguin. And then that's where 242 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,919 I'm like, oh, no, like like I really hope this 243 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,039 isn't the case that he has like a really nice family, 244 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,000 and like like it just doesn't make sense that he 245 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:02,000 would be with Penguin. And then yes, of course, when 246 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:04,600 when the explosion started going off, I got like really hyped. 247 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:09,200 It was like a nice I don't know, just just yeah, surprised. 248 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:11,799 I'm just knowing where it was, and I'm like, okay, no, 249 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,519 like for the story purpose, I'm really happy that this 250 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,919 is happening, even though it's really sad. And yeah, it 251 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:19,240 was really intense way to start the episode. So like 252 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,759 right away, I was just hell, yeah, this show is 253 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,240 just so fucking good. So I was hyped there, but 254 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,879 I was worried that, yeah, I was gonna maybe leave 255 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,919 some questions going back to like the earlier episodes when 256 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:32,960 it's just like, who the hell does Victor have and 257 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,519 like why is nobody looking for him? You know, like 258 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,759 he just has all this free time. But yeah, no, 259 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:39,679 it makes sense. And we saw the scene here. It 260 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,240 was intense. 261 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not realize it until I saw the 262 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:47,279 flood that this was this was the technically the end 263 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,919 of the Batman. So when we see Victor with his 264 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,559 family and everything like that, I thought, Okay, he was 265 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:54,600 just lying telling Penguin and whatnot, like, Okay, his family 266 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,440 is dead when they're really not. And so yeah, yeah, 267 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,440 when he was on the roof and the explosions were 268 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,720 going off, and I'm I'm thinking okay in my head 269 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,159 right now, I'm thinking, okay, this is after the events 270 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,519 of the first movie and these explosions. The whole city 271 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,480 is just blowing up again. This is why I'm thinking, 272 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:14,159 what the fuck is Batman doing? He's letting the city 273 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:17,799 just blow up now. And so that's when I realized, oh, 274 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:20,480 the flood, Okay, this is just the Riddler's doing. I'm like, Okay, 275 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,559 that makes sense. Now I know where the Batman is. 276 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: At the explosions. I thought you saw the flood, also thought. 277 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:30,519 Speaker 3: It was just the explosions. Once I saw the water 278 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,320 port and I thought, Okay, that's that's where I realize 279 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,039 where we're at now. 280 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: So I will say too. Once I as soon as 281 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,840 the explosions started going on, including where we were, I'm like, man, 282 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:42,039 somewhere right now, Riddler is just hooting and hollering in 283 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,440 his cell. 284 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, dying. Yeah. Mike put in the discord and I 285 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,039 had the exact same thought. It reminded me of the 286 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,320 you know, spoilers friend game, but the opening scene of 287 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:57,720 endgame when you got to see Hawk. I go through 288 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:00,000 the snap and it was like seeing real world happen, 289 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,279 and that's where it's like we're watching the Batman. It is. 290 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,960 That is the Riddler's big evil combook plan is He's 291 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,919 gonna flood the city, right, and you just think about 292 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:13,720 it as an option, an object that Batman needs to stop. Okay, 293 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,840 the city, which he didn't, but the flood needs to 294 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,080 save people all that stuff, right. But then when you 295 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,480 see it from the perspective of not only the townspeople 296 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:23,559 just watching it, but then someone literally knowing where their 297 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:26,480 home is, their family home is, and just seeing the 298 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:30,200 water destroy that building and like anything and realize a 299 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:32,639 flood anything like that, it's just they're gone like that, 300 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,639 there's nothing you can do. It is equivalent to like 301 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,960 the Snap and Endgame where within seconds the family's gone. 302 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:40,039 There's there's really nothing you can do. Victor says to 303 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,919 stand there and watch, and that's where it's also that 304 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,840 really puts in a perspective and I like that because 305 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Sophia called him a madman again this episode of Penguin's 306 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 done that before. We talked about that, where you know, 307 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,000 the mob looks at Riddler and like scum even though 308 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 they are killing, they could be you know, raping whatever, 309 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:00,279 stealing all this stuff, but to them, Riddler's he's way 310 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,360 below us. But it does kind of show because at 311 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:03,960 the end of the day, it's like a good fella's 312 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,879 departed thing, scarface, good father, whatever you want to say. 313 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:09,879 It's like our godfather, not good father. I don't know 314 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,600 who the father is, but the Godfather, Like there's always 315 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,840 like a code with them offia, Right, you know, if 316 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,399 you get loan sharks, then you might get fucked up. 317 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:20,840 If you get in their way, you're and get fucked up. 318 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:22,440 But if you can, if you're not a cop and 319 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,600 you leave them be, you know, you're doing your own thing. 320 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,759 Where the Riddler did just go and take out thousands 321 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:29,960 of innocent people, right, the mob would look at that 322 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:32,279 and be probably disgusted because, oh, we would never do that. 323 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:34,120 We would never just release a bomb that would just 324 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,440 kill a bunch of people. So I think that kind 325 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,240 of was good of even though like I don't want 326 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,159 Penguin to be sympathetic, it again showed that that hierarchy 327 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,200 of Okay, yeah, the mob is really bad. They deal drugs, 328 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,120 they take advantage of people, but they're not just like 329 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,960 wiping out cities now, you know, and that's to them 330 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,840 even they look at them like what a this like 331 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,480 what a freak? What a mad like terrible person. And 332 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:56,639 that's where it kind of helps seeing from Victor's point 333 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:01,000 of view, if yeah, boots on the ground, just this flawed, 334 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,240 just and you have no idea, Like Batman knows what's 335 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,720 going on. So in the movie we know, oh, there's 336 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,960 gonna be explosions something, but here's just a random like 337 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:09,480 imagine that if we're here just random things going on 338 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,559 and explosions and the city just flowed yourself and you 339 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,399 have no idea, you have no context, you don't know 340 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,840 the Riddler's doing this to your mind. You've heard them 341 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,960 the news Riddler got arrested, So it's just it. I 342 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,480 thought it was really well done and put in this 343 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:22,960 perspective big time of what it would feel like not 344 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,000 knowing this huge event was happening, And it made me 345 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,919 buy in a Victor more because it's just like, what 346 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,759 do you do now? You know your whole family's gone 347 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,919 in a night. So just terrible stuff. And then we 348 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,320 also meet I can't remember her name, do you guys 349 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,159 remember her name? His little You're just gonna guess. 350 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: I'll say it was like Marcia or something like that. 351 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:49,399 It's it's like Grace yella. 352 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:53,519 Speaker 1: Right, I'm not gonna say like, I'm gonna wait till 353 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,080 somebody gets me an actual factor. But anyways, they introduce. 354 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:57,879 Speaker 2: The B name. I just don't know how to pronounce it. 355 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,159 Speaker 1: Okay, what is it as spelled g. 356 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:05,159 Speaker 2: R A c I E l A. 357 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:13,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, So his love interests his love interest. 358 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:17,679 I don't know if they were just messing around or 359 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,639 we're boyfriend and girlfriend. But she was with him when 360 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:24,200 the explosion happened. Well yeah, but doesn't mean your boyfriend girlfriend. 361 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,399 Speaker 3: Okay, I think their boyfriend girl. 362 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and we were still macing but we're just 363 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,120 friends with benefits. You know, we're still amazing officially. Yeah, 364 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:34,919 but no, like they either way, they are some sort 365 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:36,759 of couple. And that kind of explains last week. We said, 366 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:39,799 remember he's getting those texts and we were like, well again, 367 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:43,000 what's the deal with his family her? You know, he's 368 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,799 lying with his ghost family. But it's her. She's gonna 369 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,240 leave Gotham. She's like the most smartest person in Gotham, 370 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,120 like smarter than persuade. Just a signing we got to 371 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:54,679 get out of here. 372 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:57,399 Speaker 2: I thought she was going to say the same place. Uh, 373 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,679 Selina Kyle was going. 374 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, she she's smart. Not just go like an hour 375 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:03,840 from golf and she's actually going to California, which I 376 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,880 would imagine it's cities and cities away, but she goes. 377 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,160 It's a classic setup, right of she's gonna go to California. 378 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:13,599 She asked me with him, and he's like hootering a home. 379 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,599 He's not hooter holl but he's humming about like, oh, 380 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,200 should I go? Should I not go? And of course 381 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,920 me and the chair, I'm like, just go. You gotta go, man, 382 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,640 because you're not gonna make it out of this show 383 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,799 if you don't go to California. But you know, he 384 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,039 did not go. He chose to let her leave. But 385 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,599 I thought in the few scenes they had together they 386 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,599 had some chemistry going on. Like I said, I wanted 387 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,160 him to go, but he didn't. 388 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you. I was really hoping for you know, 389 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:42,039 his own safety, he would leave and go on that train, 390 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,160 but her bus, I guess it was, but the figurative train. 391 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,400 I feel like it just sounds better in that sense. 392 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,920 But no, I knew right away that he wasn't gonna 393 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,799 do it, just because I don't know, it's a little 394 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,640 bit too easy to send off for the character. And 395 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,720 I did really like just the sea at the end 396 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,799 when he is on the fence and then he has 397 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,400 just Oz's words in the back of his mind and 398 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,200 just kind of like the legacy thing that that he 399 00:18:09,319 --> 00:18:11,680 was just going on about. And I don't know, I 400 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,119 just felt like a really big moment for that character, 401 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,440 even though it was for his own safety a bad decision, 402 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,839 it was just a really big, I don't know, just 403 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,640 showcase of kind of what his mindset's at because up 404 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,680 until this point, like he was just kind of a 405 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,640 loyal foot soldier, but you kind of just get the 406 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,839 impressions because he's so scared of Oz and like he 407 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,640 doesn't really have anything else. But now it's like, oh, 408 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,200 he actually has bigger plans. He was already kind of 409 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,400 talking about Oz about more of a partnership role when 410 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,000 they were talking about whatever the gig was, So yeah, no, 411 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:46,160 I I just I don't know, I really like that moment. 412 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,000 But as soon as yeah, at the end, when the 413 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,480 when the lady friend gets on the bus and he's 414 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,359 just sitting in the car, I just turned to share. 415 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,079 I'm like, oh, yeah, he's gonna die, Like man, he 416 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,119 just that's that's the nail on the coffin right there. 417 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,240 But uh, I don't know, I'm excited to see the 418 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,759 journey and just kind of see going forward after especially 419 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,799 the way that he saves Oz at the end, like 420 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,960 if he's gonna have a bigger role in the in 421 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,039 the overall things, just planning wise and not just being 422 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,680 like the the bag boy or whatever he was in 423 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,519 this episode. 424 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: Well, and it kind of felt like too, because they 425 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,359 had that conversation about Oz, you know, just just being like, 426 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:24,559 I don't know to me like I should. He'll be like, yeah, 427 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:26,000 your dad wuld be proud of you, like he knows 428 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,200 he doesn't know anything I was dad. He's just saying 429 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,200 that's like a mobster, right. I'm like, yeah, your dad'd 430 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,319 be so proud you're doing this stuff. He's just putting 431 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,720 his own like his fatherly figure into him. But then 432 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,440 later on we get that conversation where Victors is out, no, 433 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,759 my dad wouldn't be proud of me. He'd be ashamed 434 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:43,240 of me. But that's where I was wondering if that 435 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,200 was gonna be. Oh, eventually Penguin's gonna make him do 436 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:48,119 something that goes too far. But at the end of 437 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,640 this episode, vict decides to ram a person with his vehicle, 438 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:55,240 So I think we're past. I think he's like accepted 439 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,720 what Penguin said of like you could work your whole life, 440 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,599 work hard, and it's gonna amount to nothing. So now 441 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,920 I'm wondering what the breaking point was because I thought 442 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,640 it was gonna be, oh, he'd do something way too bad. 443 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,119 But now he's he's killing people. So it's like, well, 444 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,440 that's not the breaking point. And to correct myself, Supermic says, 445 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,119 actually he was talking about Kate Bishops seeing uh as 446 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:16,200 New York and the Battle the Battle of New York 447 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,160 as a kid, which, yeah, that's another good example too. 448 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,039 That's it. That's more so the boots in the ground situation. 449 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,519 But uh yeah, Taylor, you think you should have gone 450 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,960 with the girl. You know, God, I'm glad he didn't. 451 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: I like, I don't want victory to get and he's 452 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:32,920 not gonna die. No, I think he's gonna you what, 453 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,640 he's gonna survive the show. 454 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: No, he's gonna be strung from the roof and Penguin's 455 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,960 gonna be being with a fucking bat being like trust 456 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,319 to you your pastured? 457 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: Like nohing, he just pulled through. He saved Penguin's life. Here. 458 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:46,960 He was the bag man like, do you seriously think this? 459 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:50,559 I seriously think he's gonna survive the show. 460 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: Enough for a pizza bit, not that if Kirkland. 461 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 3: If Kirkland also wasn't on your side, I would do it. 462 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,519 But because he showed his hands, I don't feel like. 463 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,400 I feel like maybe there's a chance, but I don't 464 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,279 feel confident in making a pizza bet because I'm out 465 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:09,920 numbered here. 466 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: That's it's not out numbered like anyone else. And then 467 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:14,720 I might believe with you too. I just think that, like, 468 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,240 we've had two weeks in a row where Penguin snapped 469 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:20,160 at him. Now, obviously it always comes back down. 470 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: I've got to create the tension, the dangerous life. 471 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just feel like there's gonna a time 472 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,119 where the snap goes too far, and whether Penguin, like 473 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,119 out of rage, kills him. 474 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: I think he just even like maybe at the start, 475 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,240 when I watched that first episode, I thought, okay, he 476 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:37,480 could easily rage kill because of just how everyone else 477 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:39,599 is treating him and how he did rage kill the 478 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,640 other Falcone brother. 479 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: Uh this episode two yes, put the phone down his throat. 480 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:49,279 Speaker 3: My god, yeah, Jesus Craky. 481 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:51,759 Speaker 1: With you, Mike's with you? Do it too, Mike. 482 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not gonna do it. Uh so. I I 483 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,880 do think though, that he's after seeing these episodes and 484 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,680 seeing how he's really opened up to Vic, It's just 485 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,960 a side of Penguin I was not expecting. And that's 486 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,119 why I do think he's just really kind of got 487 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,000 him on the inside in this position where I don't 488 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,839 think he's gonna do something like that to him. I think, 489 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,599 especially because he genuinely let him go after all the 490 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,440 threats he made, he genuinely let him go. And I 491 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,119 think all the crying that we got with him and Sophia, 492 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,799 I I don't think that was necessarily like him, just 493 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,720 like dealing with the Sofia shit. I feel like he 494 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,079 was just upset because Vic left, and he actually cares 495 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,480 about Vic a lot, and so Sophia just was giving 496 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:34,559 him a shit time, and that's why he started to 497 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,559 get sentimental, because I think he was pissed off about 498 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:37,079 the Vic thing. 499 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:39,039 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go that far. I don't think 500 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,519 Penguin was sitting there crying because of Vic. I don't. 501 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:43,160 I don't. I didn't read it that way. 502 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,519 Speaker 3: I've been not crying about Sophia because he's like Fox 503 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,759 Nofia lever and let's go Vic. When he's like Vic, 504 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:50,240 I know you come back Vic, like I knew it, 505 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:51,839 Like he's all about Vic. 506 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,839 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Yeah, it's tough because like I don't know, 507 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,119 his whole speech was that he still cared about her, 508 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:06,440 but him leaving, Yeah, him, that was another like what 509 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:09,039 a double of ahead. 510 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,599 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I like, howe before too, 511 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,920 He's like, you know, I'm gonna give you like all 512 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,319 these other reasons to trust me, and then like right, 513 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:19,680 it's like, okay, that's another reason not. 514 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: To this day, you know. And that's the thing. That's 515 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:25,759 where what I love about this Penguin character. And that's 516 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,039 where tailor to your to my counter to you is 517 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,400 you're buying hook and hook line and sinker. But he's 518 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,839 one day gonna do that the Vic. I think, yeah, sure, 519 00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:37,440 Vic might be gone, and I don't think he's crying 520 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,839 because Vic, but let's say he is. There's gonna come 521 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,440 down to a time where it's Penguin or Vic, and 522 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,519 Penguin every time is gonna pick himself. And that's where 523 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:49,599 he's show you think we'll get that, yes, And I 524 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,480 think Penguin. It showed he just gave this huge emotional 525 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:59,440 speech to Sophia and then like thirty seconds later, you know, 526 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,680 like I just think that he is. That's great, Like 527 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:03,559 he wants to be a character. He wants to be 528 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,920 that boss. And he talked about the beginning this show 529 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,440 right of like oh, he used to throw parade for him. 530 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,799 I think that's what he wants to be. He wants 531 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,279 to be that respected crime boss bather than day he 532 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,119 has like a piece of shit, like like Carmen calls 533 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,839 them back and he's like, oh, you're just like he 534 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Before Carmen dies, he just says some about Oz always 535 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,680 just kind of being pathetic, and then even talking about 536 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,319 this episode two where they people keep him around because 537 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,400 they're scared of him, not because he's not made man, 538 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:31,119 just because like he's entertaining, and that has to be 539 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,599 like the most gut punch because like he probably thinks, yeah, 540 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,119 I'm a man here, but really like anyone could kind 541 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,279 of cap him at any point. Sophia said, you're not 542 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,799 a made man. You're not. You don't have that no 543 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:45,720 kill clause, right uh, And Sadar says, is Penguin better 544 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,519 than Gotham TV series. Yeah, absolutely, as someone that's washed 545 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:50,039 all of the Gotham I know, you guys haven't even 546 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:53,240 just three episodes. It's better. Robin mooreto does a really 547 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,519 good job of Penguin, but it's a very much more 548 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:59,720 the whiny like kind of wimpy Penguin. But he's really 549 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,599 really good in it. But yeah, Pharrell's Like I agree 550 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,240 with a listener Chris Evans. He said that ping Colin 551 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:10,240 Farrell is to ping hit what he fled her was 552 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:13,160 the joker, and I completely agree. I think, like now 553 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,960 everybody going forward, if they ever play Penguin, Wan, Colin 554 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:19,160 Farrell is the He's the fucking bar now like I 555 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,400 love to veto, you know, but like sorry, Farrell's Pharaoh's 556 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,799 the guy. But yeah, I anyway, sorry. I was shocked 557 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,240 by the two things. One, the Falcone family just rolling 558 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,039 up being like you're fucking us, like you're working both sides, 559 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,480 especially the Maroons. Yeah, thank you guys. The Maroney's showing 560 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,480 up and like, oh my, like I thought that was 561 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,440 gonna happen but not episode three. And then yeah, just 562 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,599 leaving Sophia like how like how's he gonna spin this? 563 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,839 I don't know if he's gonna be like, oh, I 564 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240 thought you were safe, Like I don't know. And this 565 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,559 is where I think if she didn't already start looking 566 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,119 into the mom other things, I think she might say, 567 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,680 oh yay, I like she's gonna pretend that she believes 568 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,559 Oz's bullshit lies. But I think now her guard is 569 00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,759 gonna be wigh the fuck up, you know. Oh God. 570 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to add on what you're talking 571 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,240 about Oz in general and just kind of like how 572 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,680 the show is making us believe that like he is 573 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,319 that that genuine nice guy and you know, like the 574 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,640 whole old time gangster like that through a parade. Like 575 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,440 I totally agree with you that that's kind of what 576 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,839 he kind of wants to see him like as like 577 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,119 just his legacy when he's all said and done. But 578 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:33,880 I feel like when the shit hits a fan, that's 579 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200 when like his true nature comes out. And like we've 580 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,000 already got to see that a couple of times in 581 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,559 this show and even just in The Batman, and I 582 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,440 love just the little triggers that he gets when like 583 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,440 someone calls him a rat and like right away he's 584 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,480 just like so defensive. Yeah, like like he's he is 585 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,200 just so different than like what he is trying to 586 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,559 like portray. And I like that the show is really 587 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:57,079 doing a good job at tricking the viewer. And like, 588 00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,440 like as I was saying earlier, like there's multiple times 589 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,400 in the show I'm like, man, this could work out, 590 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,519 you know, like him and Sophia working out. They're gonna 591 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,799 be selling bliss and like making all this money. Vic's 592 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:07,839 gonna be you know, like a nice up and comer. 593 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,119 Maybe maybe go to California if he wants, Like everything 594 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,079 could be fine. And then some of these moments after 595 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,960 you like, oh yeah, never mind, he's just he's just 596 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,640 a fucking He's just he's a criminal. And and I 597 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,680 love that they're staying true to that like original essence 598 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,559 of what the character is, because he is an extremely 599 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,839 flawed character. And I'm just enjoying kind of following him 600 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,839 along because I loved him in his small role in 601 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,880 The Batman, but to like actually be spending a lot 602 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,680 of time with him, like I feel like it could 603 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,920 it could have gone really south a show like this 604 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,200 of just if you don't have like a really strong 605 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,319 character that's like well written and obviously the performance go 606 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,440 hand in hand, but now they're they're doing such a 607 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,839 good job at just uh yeah, just just making us 608 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,519 question kind of what's gonna happen around Oz and the 609 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,039 people around him, and yeah I did. And then how 610 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:04,440 we ended off with Sophia. I feel like this is 611 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,240 gonna be This is like a like a crossing the 612 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,160 line type moment where like, I don't think their relationship 613 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,039 was already rocky, but I don't think it'll ever be 614 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:18,480 back to whatever strength it was at from this point. 615 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: And maybe that's why they did it too, because they 616 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,559 gave us this scene of him giving the speech and 617 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,039 us thinking like, oh, they might like she might be 618 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,400 on board with them, and then literally next seeing him 619 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,839 shitting on that. And that's where because what we this 620 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,960 is eight episodes, right, I think we've had this confirm, right, 621 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,720 So next week is the halfway point, so I could 622 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,480 kind of see that because I feel like, no matter 623 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,920 what could be earlier, but to me, the reveal of 624 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,240 her figuring out he's killed Alberto is at least episode seven, 625 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,279 and that because it could even be six, right, So 626 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,960 it's like next week we're already halfway through, so we're 627 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,039 getting through, and that's the thing like not like fucking 628 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,799 Disney Plus shows. These are actually an hour where like 629 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,319 these characters get to really develop and dive into things 630 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,559 and have conversations. So it's not just gonna be like, 631 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:05,000 oh I found out you kill my brother and then 632 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,039 a shootout Sophia dies, that's the finale twenty three minutes ago. 633 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,559 It's like, no, it's gonna be a long like thing, 634 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880 which is good. So that's where like next week, I 635 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920 don't even know, like, are the Maroni's gonna have her 636 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,160 kidnap for a while? Are they gonna talk? And I 637 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,839 wonder even is there a way that, like I doubt happens, 638 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:23,920 but is there a way like Sophie and the Maroni's 639 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640 like like because of Oswald, find like some sort of 640 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,359 common ground because they if her pitch is, hey, I 641 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,279 want to take down the falcones and make them my own? 642 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,319 Did they go with that, and like, I don't know, 643 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,720 It's it's very interesting because the same way she went 644 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,799 with Yeah. I think they're called the Triad, right, I 645 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,160 think in this Yeah, they hated her father and her father, 646 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400 they fought their father, pushed them the Chinatown and they 647 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,599 the guy even said that like oh yeah, your dad, 648 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,839 like I opened up a bottle of wine when I 649 00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:53,400 found he was daaning. She's like, well, when I could 650 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240 I dance on his grave? So that's where it's just 651 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,000 like she's working with people already that did not like 652 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,200 her family or her father. So I wonder if there's 653 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,079 gonna be a full episode we're next week, we might 654 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,519 not even see Sophia for a while, and it's like, fuck, 655 00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,920 what happened to her? And then she gets back It's like, 656 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,759 oh yeah, like I got out of that situation. But 657 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,799 I could see her pulling the wool over his eyes 658 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,799 again too, where he's gonna think he makes it good 659 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,640 with her, makes it good with the Maroni's, and then 660 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,359 the Maroni's and her just fucking over. Like that's all. 661 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,680 There's so many different angles they could go with this, 662 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,759 because like I said, what are what are? What are 663 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,759 the Moronis and her gonna talk about? Like it's gonna 664 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,200 be about oz right, They're just gonna like, you know, 665 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:31,799 I don't know if they're gonna just pop her, but 666 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,519 they could have done that already. I don't know. It's 667 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,680 it's intriguing, So I don't know, what do you think, Taylor? 668 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,079 What What's gonna happen with Sophia next week. We're gonna 669 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,960 see her right away. She can get that situation, she 670 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,319 would be. 671 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,039 Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see her. I think we're 672 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,839 gonna get We're gonna get probably a very heavy Maroney 673 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,160 centric episode. I mean, we don't even know what Sal 674 00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:53,920 was talking to him about before Sophia arrived in this episode, right, 675 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,839 so I think that there's just some unfinished business going 676 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,759 on here. And yeah, it's just it's curious to know too, 677 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,240 Like what is it that triggered the Maronis to like, 678 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,519 hey we were yeah she as she said, uh, we're 679 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:09,720 watching you for the past few weeks, we would know 680 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:11,119 and all that kind of stuff. He's trying to like 681 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,680 double take us down. 682 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: Or we remember they told him to bring that guy 683 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,880 back alive and Penguin fucking killed him. Now they don't 684 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,200 know that Penguin killed him, but they shouldn't get him 685 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,759 back alive. 686 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,839 Speaker 3: Yeah they didn't, that's true, But I feel like they 687 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:28,759 would have acted on it sooner or something like that, 688 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,319 or like why would Sal like what would Sal not 689 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,079 like be pissed at him on the phone. I feel 690 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,119 like there was just would have been something else to it, 691 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:39,000 like why would you attack him in that situation right there, 692 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,200 I was on the side of a triads club, Like 693 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,160 it just seems risky. 694 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: They could, Yeah, I wonder if they were gonna try 695 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,799 to see if he was gonna come to them and 696 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,680 say something, or if there's gonna be something revealed, like 697 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,839 maybe they were gonna give him like the old expression 698 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,119 of like enough rope to hang himself, Like Okay, maybe 699 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:54,720 he's gonna get to us eventually. You can't get it 700 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,920 to us right now, or just like maybe they have 701 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,359 a connection in the triad, right maybe the Triad it's like, yeah, 702 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,640 they're doing all this shit and they would be like, oh, 703 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,680 why is he trying to set up shot with Sophia now? 704 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,680 So it could be that. 705 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: So that's a lot of things they could ask him about. 706 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,119 Speaker 3: There a lot of things like the big thing here 707 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,599 and again like I don't think we'll see Sophia. If 708 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,240 we do, it'll be very briefly. But the thing I 709 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,319 think Sophia is going to wonder is Okay, like my 710 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:22,640 main trustworthy henchman got killed because he was the mole 711 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,640 right working with the Moroni's, and so now that's all 712 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,279 a lie. So you're telling me that it's Oz, and 713 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,680 so that'll probably rock her. But I just what I 714 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,319 love about the show is Oz already has it worked out. 715 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,759 He's got it figured out. What he's gonna tell her 716 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,160 to get out of the situation. I mean, if you 717 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440 can get out of a scenario where she thinks you 718 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,599 killed your brother or her brother, and I mean now 719 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000 you're like trying to lead up to being best friends. 720 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,640 I mean, it's just that's just quite a scenario. And 721 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,079 he's just so charismatic as a character, more than I 722 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,640 ever thought i'd ever expect, like a penguin to possibly be. 723 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,759 Speaker 1: This is a tough one though the Maroni. It is 724 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,240 so so Fia finds out he's been working with the Maronis, 725 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,839 I'm sure Penguin's gonna try to sweet talk and me like, yeah, 726 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:06,680 I'm just doing that for us and the cause stuff. 727 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,799 But like that, it's like I said, I think this 728 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:11,720 is officially Sofia is gonna have even more worried about 729 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:15,720 him now because I just I don't know, We'll see. 730 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,759 He could be like fucking Walter White, which this episode 731 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,160 reminds me of Breaking Bad when like there's a certain 732 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440 shoot on a character just drives and runs someone over. 733 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,279 That's exactly what how. I thought he was gonna try 734 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,039 and clear and hit them, all three of them, but 735 00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,559 he just took out the one guy and then took 736 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,480 out himself. So maybe not the best, but you know, 737 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:31,480 I agress. 738 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,599 Speaker 2: When the Maroni's first showed up, I actually thought the 739 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,839 scene was gonna like play on into like a full 740 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240 on dialogue sequence, and I thought, I don't know, I 741 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,480 guess I just trust Oz's excellent bullshitting, Like I thought 742 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,720 he was gonna somehow like get it. So Sophia is 743 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,240 kind of in like with the Maronis and like like 744 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,599 like just to like overthrow like the like the current 745 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,079 Maroni kind of hierarchy because because in the last episode 746 00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:58,920 it kind of set up just Sophia was already kind 747 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,519 of button heads those guys kind of the whole show. 748 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:04,079 Actually she has been, so it would have been believable 749 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,640 to have I mean, we already have her in Oz 750 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,880 against that, so it's like, hey, we have this powerful 751 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,840 ally that could make this, but like no, right away, 752 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,519 they just the guns come out and and then it 753 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,119 goes to Vick's perspective. So it definitely did not play 754 00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,199 out how I thought it was going to but yeah, no, 755 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,880 it's uh. I'm very excited to get that dialogue between 756 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:30,519 Sophia and the uh forget the lady's name, but yeah, 757 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,280 she was. She was fantastic. So I'm excited to just 758 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,440 get those two actresses like bouncing off of each other. 759 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: I hope it happens better happened next week. I don't 760 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,960 want to be like we learn about their conversations off screen, 761 00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,960 like we should see them talking. And I guess for Penguin, 762 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:45,480 I guess it would be better for her to die 763 00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,480 because he's already got Jimmy Vetty by the balls now 764 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,400 like kind of literally, which I this said it was 765 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,559 kind of weird, So I'll get there. I'll get there. 766 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,320 Let me come back to this. So he's got them 767 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,719 like buy the balls and like you know, he's got 768 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,519 them degree with everybody, and he knows what the drug 769 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,440 is now this bliss which I did look it up. 770 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,360 It is a lucigenet drug in DC. I don't think 771 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,239 it's been specifically just tied to Gotham, but it has 772 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,320 been all around. People are already being like, all this 773 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,800 means poison Ivy is gonna be in the show. She's 774 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,000 at Arkham. I'm not gonna go that far. But again, 775 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,840 like that, it was that I was really hoping. I 776 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,480 didn't know how Like when they talk about new drug 777 00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:26,639 and they come from Arkham, I'm like, fuck, is this 778 00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:28,480 gonna do a scarecrow like something? Do that? But I'm like, 779 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,679 I guess you can't really sell that drug. They're like, oh, 780 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,239 take this hit, what does it do? It makes you 781 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,559 fucking fear? Yeah, let you try. 782 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:37,119 Speaker 2: Let me try. 783 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,519 Speaker 1: You sit down with the the triad lad like look 784 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,039 at the product and look at there, and one's like 785 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,360 like screen like, yeah, I don't think I want that drug. 786 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,239 Like so that's how sixty bucks I hit. Yeah, that's 787 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,280 how I when I thought, They're like, yeah, it can't 788 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,760 be the fear talks and drug. But I love that 789 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,280 even though just like in The Batman, like the drop 790 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,480 heads they have like the cool smiley face design and 791 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,000 they go in your eyes and they just have like 792 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,559 that drop like it's something like it's real world but 793 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,679 feels comic Bookie. This like drug like like growing off 794 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,000 of like a mushroom. Again, that feels something like, Okay, 795 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,679 it's not real world, but it's like kind of comic Bookie, 796 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,400 So again, I love that. I love the look. It 797 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,760 looked like the blue crystal meth in Breaking Bad but red. 798 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,840 Like I loved this like new drug and I actually 799 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,199 can't remember where the fuck I was going at all 800 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,320 with my point here, but I did like the drug 801 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,639 and I did like the tied Arkham that that's how 802 00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:35,360 she got. It's a drug that they give to people 803 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,519 at Arkham's. Like oh fuck, super oh that's what I'm saying. 804 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,440 She can die now because he knows what the drug 805 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,679 is and he knows the situation. He's already at the triad, 806 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,280 So that's why it almost would be better for him 807 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,400 for her to die right now, not by his hands. 808 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,599 But you know that's not what happens. Sophia's too tough, 809 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:53,840 you know. 810 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but do you think about bliss drug? I 811 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,159 I really you got something. 812 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,199 Speaker 1: That flyes coming after me? Yeah? 813 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 814 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: I took a couple hits of Fear before the cast. 815 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I I really like the inclusion of It's 816 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,119 funny when they first showed like the mushrooms, in my 817 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,840 mind just goes like Last of Us and like the 818 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,840 fucking what do they call the cordyceps courtceps mushrooms. It's like, 819 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920 what the hell's like, what's gonna come out of these 820 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:27,039 these mushrooms? And I liked how Oz his first reaction was, 821 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,719 is like, honey, come on, like if you didn't know, 822 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,639 like it's so easy to get like mushrooms if you 823 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:33,880 need a Gotham like just you can get like any 824 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,599 drug you want. And then just kind of how they 825 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,559 they turned that into what it is. I like the 826 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,639 little lab guy that they had and yeah, I don't know, 827 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:47,199 it's just it's it's an interesting look at like a 828 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,719 a new inclusion of like a comic book drug like this, 829 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,320 because like normally, you know, you jump in Batman, it's like, hey, 830 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,679 they got this drug running around, and but like this 831 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,280 is more like the crime side on the street kind 832 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,960 of use of it. And I'm curious if it's going 833 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,719 to carry on after the show kind of into the 834 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,719 Batman two. 835 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,119 Speaker 1: I think so, I think just the look of like 836 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,119 I don't think it's going to be like, oh, the 837 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:11,960 drug that Batman's going after. But the same with the 838 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,000 drop heads were an element right like the beginning of 839 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,679 the movie, there's a guy with the bag and he 840 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,880 has to get him, but yeah, I think they will 841 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,760 definitely be in there. And I think even though I 842 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,360 said the mushroom thing like it like it has like 843 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,840 a cool aesthetic to it. But uh, I just love 844 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:35,239 that someone kind of DC database side effects addiction Okay, cool, Yeah, 845 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,960 transcending emotional ties as well, so that's interesting. I don't 846 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,280 know what that could. But again with Matt reason, I 847 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,800 think there's like a reason but yeah, a new take 848 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,480 on that. But it's a psychic connector between Bluh to 849 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:52,159 expand his mental capacity. Okay, nothing, nothing really origin a 850 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,840 highly addictive designer Hallucingen HARVARDI stood from the body chemistry 851 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,559 of young children by drug Kingpin Elijah, So definitely different 852 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,480 in this one. I would imagine, I don't think the 853 00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:05,159 mushrooms are coming from the young children, but I digress. 854 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: So the callucigen I also wanted to shout, I really 855 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,039 like the moment when they're pitching it to like the 856 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,599 leader of the triads there and Sophia's just kind of 857 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,559 like showcasing that, like look at like everyone in here, 858 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,199 and just how fucked up the world of Gotham is 859 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,039 right now, Like it's not a happy place, but you 860 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,719 have all these people in here just have the time 861 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,559 in their lives. I'm so happy. And they're just gonna 862 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,280 be chasing that feeling as you just listed in the 863 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,119 DEZ database. You know, it's addictive, so they're gonna be 864 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,320 going back for more. And I don't know. It was 865 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,519 just a good little business pitch that they laid out 866 00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,599 and also just reminding us of Yeah, no, Gotham is 867 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,119 a horrible place right now. The floods have destroyed the 868 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,400 good infrastructure of the city and people are just spending 869 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,360 what little dollars they have just go party in this 870 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,039 club and h m hm. 871 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: And I didn't even think about this, but yeah, they 872 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,880 confirm that Victor just has like massive PTSD. He sees 873 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,760 something that looks like an explosi then he just freaks 874 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,920 on the club. That one. Prosula definitely is gonna be 875 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,320 hooking up with Victor at some point, right she seems 876 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,320 way too interested in him, and she's a single man now, 877 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,519 she's a single man. She helped him with the drugs 878 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,079 when he freaked out. I thought that was over for Victor. 879 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,079 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I cringed, Yeah. 880 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: Would those drugs fell? I'm like, oh fuck, A bunch 881 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,519 of people are gonna go on the ground, start taking 882 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,280 him and the supplies going. I'm like, fuck, he's that's 883 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,320 it for him, But no, she helped him out, so yeah, 884 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,400 he's a single man. So Nat Tay, what do you 885 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,000 think of this new drug? Is it just just a 886 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:32,679 drug for the show? Is going to lead anywhere? What 887 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,199 are you thinking? 888 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,599 Speaker 3: I think it'll lead somewhere. I think it's it's a 889 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,320 great ground zero point to kind of get more immersed 890 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,079 into this world. And I think that if you you 891 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,360 aren't focusing on the penguin as the main villain in 892 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000 the next movie, but you have elements of Bliss popping up, 893 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:48,719 then people could be like, Okay, this is how the 894 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,119 Penguin kind of ties in and a little in a 895 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,519 little bit of a relation to the main narrative of 896 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,599 the Batman part too. So I think it's I think 897 00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,239 it's definitely going to continue on. I don't think it'll 898 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,000 be wrapped up here, And I think it's just it's 899 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,639 a good nod towards like the Underground and the crime syndicates. 900 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:11,000 So regarding what else did you guys. 901 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: Talk about, We talked about Triad a little bit. 902 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the dynamic between Sophia and the Triads. 903 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,519 I liked all that. I think it was pretty cool 904 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,800 U vic in the club just bumping around being the 905 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,559 bag man. I think that was pretty fun. He was 906 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:32,800 embracing that role. And on top of that, beforehand when 907 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,480 they were trying to arrange their meeting with the Triads, 908 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,639 initially so Oz and Sophia were in that club, and 909 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,719 so they left Vic in Penguin's car and he basically 910 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,239 had the huge bag of supply of drugs and a 911 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,480 cop shows up, and I just I didn't know how 912 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:50,239 this is gonna go. And I really thought, like, man, 913 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,400 Vic's already fucked up. He's gonna fuck up again. This 914 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,800 is not great. But just how he's casually just getting 915 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,239 step by step more into this world and he likes 916 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,480 it too. You can definitely out. So when the cops like, oh, 917 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:02,920 you got a lot of money for a kid, and 918 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,159 he just casually is like, what money? I don't have 919 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:06,840 any money, and the cop just takes it and like 920 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,760 lets him off. It's like he played, he played. 921 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,079 Speaker 2: That's this money good? Just a restame right there. 922 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 3: Down and starts the sh out of him where are 923 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,159 the other trucks going? 924 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: You know? It's so funny I thought about this and 925 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,719 just looks while you're talking the guy who is the 926 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,639 leader of the Triads, he was also the leader of 927 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,760 whatever group was in Birds of Prey and the same 928 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,159 thing Black Mass was like trying to convince him to 929 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,519 join up. And their families didn't get along with the 930 00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,920 psionicis and he's the family that they string upside down 931 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,440 and kill and everything like that. So he's twice in 932 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,800 golf and play like a mob boss. You have to. 933 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 2: I was gonna say it too. He's like the leader 934 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,119 of the lost, like the Dharma initiative. He's like in 935 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,719 all the videos. I thought of that as soon as 936 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,239 I saw the chap's face. Yeah, not as exciting of 937 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,840 a role, you know, not not a gangster. 938 00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: But no, that's a shoutout. Yeah let's break and then 939 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,599 we'll be right back, and we're back, So where we 940 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:07,400 want to go next? 941 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 2: I just quickly wanted to add on to that scene 942 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,079 between Vic and the cop. I really love that moment because, yeah, 943 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,840 it shows that, you know, Vick's getting a little bit 944 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,719 more of a maybe more comfortableness when it comes to 945 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,000 just how to handle like the business. And I like 946 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,400 when Oz just getting hype Later on. He's like, oh, yeah, man, 947 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,320 it's just cost a business. Like you handled it well, 948 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,920 and like just just everything that they're they're talking about. 949 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,440 But it also just again reminds us of how corrupt 950 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,320 Gotham is. It's just like, oh yeah, no, like this 951 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,559 the massive flood and cops are still as corrupt as 952 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,559 ever and you can just kind of do what you 953 00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:42,880 want as long as you have money for it. So 954 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:47,480 it's just also good world. I feel like this world 955 00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,440 already feels like the same Gotham that we experienced from Batman. 956 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,239 They're doing a really good job at that. But yeah, 957 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480 that's just like another add on to that. And yeah, 958 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,519 I liked it, like seeing some corrupt cops in Gotham. 959 00:43:58,599 --> 00:43:59,920 Some things will just never change. 960 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: Oh never change, you know. Back to that money conversation one, 961 00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:05,599 I like when he lost the money and like he said, he's, oh, 962 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,599 it's costume business, Like he didn't replace the one grand, 963 00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,960 which Penguin could do. Penguin at He said, Oh, yeah, 964 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,039 I gotta give you some sort of pay. You know, 965 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,280 we haven't talked about your contract, and he gives him 966 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,800 two one grains. Always ask for a war, you know, 967 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,360 know what you're worth it's okay at that point, can 968 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,840 of two grains, oh, dice, but no, it's taking one gram. 969 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,239 And then before he leaves, he's like, oh, don't do 970 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,159 anything funny or I'll know. Like he just says something 971 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,800 some line like that and then he closes the door. 972 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,679 Oh no, it wasn't that. It was like, I think 973 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,400 I wrote it down here. You do anything stupid, I'll 974 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:43,159 sense it. Because he's like leaving Vic alone in his apartment. 975 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,679 I just love that, like like being was on a 976 00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:49,000 fucking mastermind. I just love the little threat. But no, 977 00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,679 they give him some good lines there, and I did 978 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,079 really like the whole actual bathroom seating of him putting 979 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,039 his gun up to his head, just being like, I'm 980 00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:58,840 giving you a hand out, I'm giving you money, I'm 981 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,599 making you you know, so that could be established all 982 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:03,840 this stuff, but you're acting like I'm holding here like 983 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,920 this and he pulls out his gun again. Three weeks 984 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960 in a row where Penguin has threatened his life. So 985 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,559 that's where I just think the series has to pay 986 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,519 off with him taking his life now because it's just 987 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,800 every week. But no great scene in the great scene 988 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,960 in the bathroom, and again the other part scene I 989 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,360 like to that was tied to the bathroom was Penguins 990 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,800 such a fucking piece of shit. When they go out 991 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,920 for lunch and he can't say the steak fritz or 992 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,719 whatever it is, right, and he's trying and he's stuttering, 993 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,039 and the guy starts to be he said, oh, the 994 00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:33,719 stick frits and them. He says, no, shut up, like 995 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,920 let him say it. He's a fucking man, and then 996 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,039 you know, eventually says it and he said, oh, you 997 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:39,400 don't have to do this, and no, I don't, but 998 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,440 you should. And then in that same bathroom scene later 999 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,039 on he starts he's trying to say the word free 1000 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,000 and he's like, just get on with the kid. So 1001 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,440 it's like what he did earlier where he's trying to 1002 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,719 like we've seen that before, where he he's a criminal 1003 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,960 that has like a disability, right, it's probably been made 1004 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,559 fun of that. He knows what Victor's going through. But 1005 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,360 then I fill in the bathroom scene he kind of 1006 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,119 became that asshole who like he didn't make fun of 1007 00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:05,719 him because the sutter, but he like rolled his eyes. Yeah, 1008 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,760 and it's like earlier that's where it just seems like 1009 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,920 again he's just a fucking manipulator that in the moment, 1010 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,360 he'll make you seem like he's your big brother, your 1011 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,679 father you you know, are never had. But when it 1012 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,559 came down to this serious conversation where he thought you 1013 00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,440 were leaving, he will take you down and maybe, you know, 1014 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,719 kind of make you feel lesser than. So again, Penguin great. 1015 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,400 They'll through line though these aren't callings, they're all great 1016 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,960 stuff because I feel like you can catch little isms 1017 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,119 where he like slips, and that, to me was one 1018 00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:35,519 of them where it's like, oh, that was shitty earlier 1019 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,280 kind of saying like don't like, you know, not be 1020 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,360 proud of the stutter, but don't let it bug you 1021 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,880 like get through it. And this was him kind of 1022 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,440 reminding him of like, like you fucking idiot, like you 1023 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,400 got the stutter, you. 1024 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 2: Know so, and that's where I think it like gets 1025 00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:52,400 back to how you said, like the story with the 1026 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,440 old time gangster and like he just likes that that 1027 00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,880 type of criminal and like he does kind of want that. 1028 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,000 But when it gets down to those moments when he 1029 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,159 is just like frustrated or impatient, it just gets back 1030 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,000 to where he is and he just kind of throws 1031 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,280 that out to the side right where he isn't the 1032 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,880 more father figure to Vic. He is just his asshole boss. 1033 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,840 And it just gets right down to it. Even though 1034 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,000 in the restaurant, because he has that image in his mind, 1035 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,760 he's like striving to be that. He's like, well, yeah, 1036 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,239 like it feels good to have that, But he is 1037 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,199 still who he is, and I think that's gonna be 1038 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000 like a reoccurring thing throughout the show where he wants 1039 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:31,679 to live up to that. So he does these things, 1040 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,280 but once it gets even like a little bit difficult, 1041 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,199 he'll he'll just falter back to his original self and yeah, 1042 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:41,760 I know. It's again, like it's just it's great. It's 1043 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,960 great just having a character flawed like that and staying 1044 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,880 true to it, not just like changing the writing around 1045 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,440 where it's like, well, this episode he's like this, and 1046 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,760 later on, no, he's just like this just just to 1047 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,599 like fit a narrative for what they're trying to tell 1048 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:55,800 in the story. Now they're keeping him who he is, 1049 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,360 and it's, uh, you know, it changes the direction of 1050 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,960 the story and yeah, it's just how it goes. 1051 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:09,039 Speaker 1: What about you, Taylor, Oh, I don't know much else 1052 00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:09,159 to that. 1053 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I already feel like I've spoken about Vic 1054 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,800 enough and uh yeah. 1055 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: Anything else of this episode when I have that we 1056 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,320 haven't talked about yet. 1057 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:23,159 Speaker 3: I had one thing I wanted to mention. I mean, 1058 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:24,840 I guess we'll get more of like Squid and how 1059 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,519 that gang kind of fits into things I guesse. I 1060 00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,360 feel like they really emphasized it on top of like 1061 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,480 like Vic or kind of like wanting more than what 1062 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,519 his dad kind of was putting out on the table 1063 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,599 there can kind of put up a fight about it 1064 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,000 with his sister and fixed that. Like we already talked 1065 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,719 about the feeling being ashamed and whatnot. That dialogue was Penguin, 1066 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,119 But I do feel like the emphasis on Squid and 1067 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,119 just how Squid was like being like a gangster kind 1068 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,400 of low tier and kind of talking about how Vic 1069 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,840 doesn't like Squid that much, but Squid seemed to be 1070 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,360 really like interested in Vic. I wonder if that's gonna 1071 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,960 come into play here. Maybe Penguin's gonna be like, I 1072 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,559 need some new guys here, we need some crew because 1073 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,199 we can't use Sophia, I can't use the Maroni us, 1074 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,400 and so Vicka be like I got a guy. We 1075 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,519 got Squid. You know, Squidd'll hook us up or something. 1076 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,280 I don't know. That could just be bullshit, but I 1077 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,519 just feel like there's something deeper going on with the 1078 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:17,679 way Squid was acting. 1079 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,599 Speaker 1: So who knows, No man's gonna break his legs next 1080 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:21,880 week and. 1081 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,119 Speaker 3: His career is over, you know, turn his legs into tentacles. 1082 00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:27,480 Oh my god, this limp like. 1083 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,400 Speaker 2: It's like tusk just turns them into a squid. 1084 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 1: God, I think I have other than Again, I wish 1085 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,400 I mentions with Penguin and so if you were talking, 1086 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,920 but I can't remember the line he said. They're talking 1087 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,519 about him turning her in. Oh, and then I have 1088 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,679 another point of this he turning her in, and then 1089 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,039 he was kind of like being a bit more like Penguin, 1090 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,480 like tough guy. But then she questioned something and he 1091 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,159 said something, and you always know what to say. So again, 1092 00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,440 I still always wonder what she what she knows and 1093 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,400 doesn't know. But I can't remember the line. But the 1094 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,360 other thing I was gonna say, so somebod I thought 1095 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,239 that was like a little off. Was this Jimmy bean 1096 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960 you think of? Like so last week we figured out 1097 00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,440 or maybe it was episode one, but whatever, he's fucking 1098 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,559 the uncle's boss right the falcony. Who's in charge? Is 1099 00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,599 that who he was fucking in the hotel room again. 1100 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,039 Speaker 3: When they want to see his wife. 1101 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,519 Speaker 1: Yes, I just find it very odd. I needed to 1102 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,679 see that scene where Okay, so Penguin is in the restaurant, 1103 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,800 uh vic he sees or he walks, Oh, you're gonna 1104 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,880 do something you don't like. She's the fucking wife of 1105 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,920 like the Falcone family, the main mob boss guy. She's 1106 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,039 his wife. I want to know what did Penguin have 1107 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,039 to say or do that would make it that, Okay, 1108 00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:48,079 we're gonna walk in the room and confront Jimmy and 1109 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,639 you're gonna get at there. That felt like a really 1110 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,719 too inconvenient or it felt like I need to see 1111 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,599 the threat he would have made her because I guess 1112 00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,840 you could just say, oh, Wellna tell your husband, but 1113 00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,199 it's just like they could do that anyways. They have 1114 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,280 fucking photos. I know she doesn't know that, but just 1115 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,719 like I feel like that's a weird thing to be like. 1116 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 3: Because they would have killed him, and maybe she really 1117 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,000 cares about VD. 1118 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:09,159 Speaker 1: Then I want to see that because like it'd be 1119 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,920 weird to be like Okay, go sleep with him, and 1120 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,480 in your mind, no one knows about this, and I'm 1121 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,440 not gonna sleep with him. We're not sleeping together. Oh 1122 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,320 we have photos, Okay, then what like, like you're gonna 1123 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,559 show him the husband. It's just it's it's I just 1124 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,559 felt there was a jump. I think this whole storyline 1125 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,719 has been a little the most weird thet show. But 1126 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,360 it was just weird that he just got the Falcone's wife, 1127 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,519 you know, the uncles, just to go, yeah, go fuck 1128 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,400 him and we're gonna walk in and that, like cause 1129 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,440 you're just like showing your hand quite a bit like 1130 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,000 I has heard be like, I want to see these 1131 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,559 photos then because what if there's bullshitting like okay, I'm 1132 00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:46,199 gonna go do this it it felt a little too easy. 1133 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,280 I liked the predicament of, hey, we got to get 1134 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,400 him to agree people think he's backing Sophia and then 1135 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,760 they'll be in on it. But I thought it was 1136 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,480 too easy. They should have just had him going with 1137 00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,800 the photographs. He has those photos, so I don't know. 1138 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,239 I've I thought was execution was a little lacking with 1139 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,400 that part of the story. 1140 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 2: I agree, it seemed like a bit of a jump. 1141 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,079 It maybe just it's like, well, you know we're gonna 1142 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,000 have them at the restaurant, so maybe let's just pair 1143 00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,360 it up and make it that much smoother to transition. 1144 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,880 But it feels like it would have been even better 1145 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,159 if they just caught them again, like they were following her. 1146 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,159 It's like, hey, now now's the time they just kicking 1147 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,199 the door, and then they go that route to just 1148 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,320 surprise both of them, because it seems like they surprise 1149 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960 both them anyways. In the hotel room, right, it's like, oh, 1150 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,960 you forgot your panties, like go back, and she's like 1151 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,159 oh oh, like rushing out of there. So it just 1152 00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:36,519 seemed weird that it was like, yeah, you're gonna have 1153 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,239 to do something like why yeah. 1154 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: Which is awes like I would be at that point 1155 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,400 calling the head of the Falcone family being like yeah, 1156 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,239 Oz wants me to go and fuck Jimmy and like 1157 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,159 like why, Like I just needed because I don't know, 1158 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,400 then you can make Pengum more intimidating or something, and 1159 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,119 that could have made him be more shitty guy, like 1160 00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,480 let's see him intimidate this woman too. Why she has to? 1161 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,639 I guess even if it's like I guess what's the pitch, 1162 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:05,719 she might say, if you don't go and fuck and 1163 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,199 we're gonna show your husband the photos, Like I guess, 1164 00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:11,079 but again, as the wife evil, I gotta see these 1165 00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,599 photos then, because it's like then you're just going and 1166 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,480 confirming to everybody, or are these these to your fucking Jimmy. 1167 00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:18,320 I don't know. It was. It was odd scene, but 1168 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,880 anything else particular with this episode. 1169 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 3: Got awesome. 1170 00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:28,760 Speaker 1: Going once, going twice, sold to the man with the 1171 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,559 Penguin gloves, and uh yeah, that's it. We'll be back 1172 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:36,559 next week for for Penguin. We'll be back for every 1173 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,639 week except for the week of uh, Extra Life. We 1174 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,440 gotta figure out what we're gonna do there. If that's 1175 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,119 gonna be a Monday review, if we're gonna have some 1176 00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,800 midday naps and then come and review it after. I 1177 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880 don't know. That's of course, there's always something happened in 1178 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,079 Extra Life weekend. But either way, we'll be back and 1179 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,599 we'll be worn by