Speaker 1: Greeney's in salutations everyone of Trich Wilson Walking Too. Fantasy
Speaker 1: Baseball Live Today is January fifth, about three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. I'm here with as always from my good
Speaker 1: buddy mister Tim McLeod. What we who we now refer
Speaker 1: to as mute boy.
Speaker 2: You know that that modern technology, it still stumps me
Speaker 2: on acasion, Rich.
Speaker 1: We would have been started two or three minutes earlier,
Speaker 1: but Tim could hear me. I I couldn't hear Tim.
Speaker 1: He assumed it was something on my side. And Tim
Speaker 1: what what was the answer?
Speaker 2: Apparently I accidentally leaned on the but for my headset
Speaker 2: and there we were.
Speaker 1: There, we were catching.
Speaker 2: Each other because of my technology challenges.
Speaker 1: Again, that's that's okay. We've got a great show, Timmy.
Speaker 1: We are starting Tim's rankings, which is very exciting. We
Speaker 1: starting with catching and Tim and I were talking about
Speaker 1: it beforehand. It's it's pretty close to where the ADPs
Speaker 1: are going at the NFBC. And Tim, why don't you
Speaker 1: kind of give us your thoughts on why you think
Speaker 1: that's the case.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think catchers is a smaller group,
Speaker 2: and you're looking at with that smaller group, I think
Speaker 2: for the most part, the numbers heading into each and
Speaker 2: every season are fairly well defined, so that that leaves
Speaker 2: us cause to be pretty much in the same area.
Speaker 2: And I think it was that way last year, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It's been that way since we've started doing this years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, it's it's just a category a position
Speaker 2: that isn't a controversial per se or doesn't have the
Speaker 2: overall numbers. Like when you look at the oatfield, you're
Speaker 2: looking at a base of you know, fifteen times five
Speaker 2: seventy five outfielders just to fill your slots. And with
Speaker 2: that sheer volume of numbers comes the opportunity for larger
Speaker 2: discrepancies when you're looking at filling in a lot of cases,
Speaker 2: you know, a twelve team league, you're in twenty four catchers. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think that twenty four is fairly well divined, and
Speaker 2: you just don't get the wild swings that you can
Speaker 2: with with deeper positions.
Speaker 1: I think that makes total sense, and I appreciate. I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you said there, and I agree with it.
Speaker 1: And we're going to about my NFC draft and how
Speaker 1: I look forward to it, how I set up was
Speaker 1: going to handle catching and then how sometimes the draft
Speaker 1: presents opportunities or challenges to me and you've got to
Speaker 1: be able to kind of adjust to that. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that as well, and then if we have time,
Speaker 1: but you probably won't, well, we still have the Al
Speaker 1: West fantasy questions. We will get to that at some point,
Speaker 1: but we'll just use that as filler if we run
Speaker 1: out as time. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It makes total sense. And I agree one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten percent on your statement. You know, it's fine to
Speaker 2: make plans going in, okay, and you start looking at
Speaker 2: what you want to do, But a draft, it's it's
Speaker 2: a live, living, breathing entity. And just because you make
Speaker 2: yourself a plan, it doesn't mean when opportunity arises you
Speaker 2: don't deviate from it if it's going to better your opportunities. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard to go in saying I'm going to do this, this, this,
Speaker 2: when there are fourteen other teams play yourself and the
Speaker 2: myriad of combinations that can occur at times. So I
Speaker 2: think it's very important that you are very flexible on
Speaker 2: draft day and take advantage of those opportunities when they exist.
Speaker 1: Opportunities are bad decisions, all that kind of stuff plays
Speaker 1: into it, and I said, why don't we just talk
Speaker 1: about it now? Because one of the things as I
Speaker 1: was going through it, Like Tim knows me very well,
Speaker 1: I'm very methodical. I think through everything, which is a
Speaker 1: great attribute and also a curse because I can overthink things.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I find myself doing that. I look back
Speaker 1: at it and go, that just was dumb. You know,
Speaker 1: I should have just done the thing that made the
Speaker 1: most sense and not overthink, you know, the extremities and
Speaker 1: the kind of very outward fringe cases. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: do that and it gets me into trouble. But we'll
Speaker 1: see Timmy. First of all, let's talk about it. Can
Speaker 1: we talk about the first round? I just want to
Speaker 1: go through the first it's.
Speaker 2: A it's here, I gotta know, it's.
Speaker 1: Uh, And there's a couple of very interesting interesting ones
Speaker 1: in here. There's some very interesting picks which we're going
Speaker 1: to get into that. I kind of went, wow, that
Speaker 1: guy went early. But so fifteen team league, NFBC Draft
Speaker 1: and hole, no trades, fifty rounds. I think most people
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast know that particular format. There's literally
Speaker 1: I think last year there were five thousand leagues, No
Speaker 1: five thousand teams, So whatever five thousand divided by fifteen is.
Speaker 1: There's a I mean, there's a lot of leagues out
Speaker 1: that play this particular format.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a popular one. There is no dotor boat. Then,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned here, it's replaced the mock draft, and
Speaker 2: it's entirety pretty much.
Speaker 1: Number I'm just going to give you the first seven.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the first eight players, and then I'll
Speaker 1: let you comment. Number one Bobby Wit Junior, two, La
Speaker 1: de la Cruz, three, show Heytani, four, Aaron Judge, five,
Speaker 1: Gunner Henderson six, Jose Ramirez seven, Kyle Tucker and number
Speaker 1: eight one Soto. What's the first thing that comes to
Speaker 1: your mind?
Speaker 2: The batting average price to be paid for Elie de
Speaker 2: la Cruz at number two versus the rewards on the
Speaker 2: stolen bases. I don't know if I would have headed
Speaker 2: in that direction, I would have been more comfortable building
Speaker 2: batting average. That's the first. That's the thing that leaps
Speaker 2: out with a man. Hey, I get Elie dela Cruz,
Speaker 2: but if he hits two thirty, you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: find batting average somewhere. And finding batting average after round
Speaker 2: ten is a lot tougher than finding stolen bases.
Speaker 1: I don't know who this player is, but I love
Speaker 1: kind of what they did because they took Ellie do look,
Speaker 1: you're gonna this because this is a this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: win going away or he's totally screwed.
Speaker 2: So Ellie fences.
Speaker 1: Here's his first five picks, Elie de la Cruz, Ronald Acuna,
Speaker 1: Jacob de Gram, Yamamoto, and Rookie Sasaki besides Yamamoto. There
Speaker 1: that's a lot of risk, so a.
Speaker 2: Huge, incredibly huge risky. It could be golden and it
Speaker 2: could be it could be a struggle. The one I
Speaker 2: questioned the most out of that group pro would be
Speaker 2: Sasaki because there's pictures you can take, you know, with
Speaker 2: de Gram and who's his second Pittu Yamamoto, Yamamoto. That's
Speaker 2: high risk right there. What I would have done is
Speaker 2: taken a possibly skip, taken a bat rather than that
Speaker 2: third picture, and then gone with a picture in the
Speaker 2: next round. You know, one hundred and seventy, five hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty and relatively safe as he's just safe compared
Speaker 2: to some pitchers, you know, starter, you know, just building
Speaker 2: one hundred green or somebody you know, he took.
Speaker 1: He took Tyler glasno To two rounds later. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a high risk team. And you know, at first
Speaker 1: I'm looking at going, well, that's I would ever have
Speaker 1: done that. But if you if you've got the balls
Speaker 1: to take ledl like Cruise with the second pick, I mean,
Speaker 1: why not, I mean, why not completely go for it.
Speaker 1: It completely could blow up in the guy's face. Or
Speaker 1: he could literally win this league going away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not going to finish midpacket.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, which which which I really
Speaker 1: really I thought that was fun. I mean, part of
Speaker 1: the reason you play this is to have fun. You know.
Speaker 1: I try to have fun with drafting all rookies a
Speaker 1: few years ago, and it was fun at the draft
Speaker 1: table and pretty miserable six months. But uh yeah.
Speaker 2: I think my my philosophy is I'd rather have fun
Speaker 2: over the six months than two weeks to build the
Speaker 2: team in the off season. But let's just be yeah.
Speaker 1: So, any any other Otani, Judge Gunner, Jose Kyle Tucker
Speaker 1: want so.
Speaker 2: Anything, Yeah, I probably would have moved up one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 2: That's again, that's the only one that really leaps out
Speaker 2: to me is Ellie, and again it's his philosophy and
Speaker 2: good for him. Over works.
Speaker 1: Still, I still maintained that one soda might be the
Speaker 1: safest floor in all of baseball.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so uh okay, nine through fifteen, this is
Speaker 1: where it starts to get interesting. Julio Rodriguez all the
Speaker 1: way up to nine, Mookie Betts, Paul Skeens at eleven,
Speaker 1: Corb and Carrol We had talked about that at one
Speaker 1: of the podcasts we were doing. I was on the clock.
Speaker 1: I might have taken care if he fell to me
Speaker 1: at thirteen. He didn't. As as told to everyone, I
Speaker 1: would take Vlad Junior, I did. Fernando Tatis goes at fourteen,
Speaker 1: and then the guy I was hoping that would be
Speaker 1: on my team at thirteen was not. He goes with
Speaker 1: a fifteenth pick, and that is Jackson Cheerio, So.
Speaker 2: What do you think of He went a couple picks
Speaker 2: higher than mine, and I thought I was reasonably high
Speaker 2: when I took him. I think third pick in the
Speaker 2: second round. So yeah, it's I got no problems with
Speaker 2: the pick.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I mean, it's it's it just it
Speaker 1: just shows how he's moving up and Corbyn Carroll dropped
Speaker 1: a little bit right. He went to the twelfth pick,
Speaker 1: and you and I talked about it. Would I take
Speaker 1: Corbyn Carroll with the thirteenth? And I might have if
Speaker 1: he would have gone one more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got one starting next week, the second one
Speaker 2: of the two that I do early. And if Corbyn
Speaker 2: Carroll's there at thirteen, yeah, you'll find just wait to
Speaker 2: my team.
Speaker 1: What about Paul Skins at eleven?
Speaker 2: Uh? I get the love for Paul Skins. Look what
Speaker 2: he did last year. If he stays healthy, there's no
Speaker 2: reason that we can't anticipate him doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: But again, he's heading into his sophomore year. He hasn't
Speaker 2: got a full year in Yeah. I for me, it's
Speaker 2: not It's not a route that I'm going to be taking.
Speaker 2: I'm going to you know, if I'm drafting towards the
Speaker 2: back end, I'm not touching pitching until my third pick
Speaker 2: and just go accordingly and let them fall where they do.
Speaker 2: I I don't want to have to overpay for pitching
Speaker 2: when I think the mid tier has plenty of options
Speaker 2: once you get into rounds five through to ten. In there,
Speaker 2: there's lots of really good options in that range. I'd
Speaker 2: rather if I have to take three pitchers back to
Speaker 2: back and play out of that particular area of the draft.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my thinking as well. So I agree
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly with you there. But overall, I mean the guys
Speaker 1: that when nobody really dropped and and guys went really
Speaker 1: early though. Jackson Cheerios first pick, last pick in the
Speaker 1: first round, Wyatt Langford, first pick in the third round.
Speaker 2: In the third round, Okay.
Speaker 1: He went with the thirty first pick. I mean his
Speaker 1: ADP is sitting in fifty. I mean, so I was
Speaker 1: hoping he'd be on the board when I came back
Speaker 1: around for my third pick, and that was not to be.
Speaker 2: So well, again, the upside potential is there. Okay, we
Speaker 2: saw the strong September. It's the real deal, and people
Speaker 2: have strong feelings about some players. I'm sure Tristan Cassis
Speaker 2: went ahead.
Speaker 1: He went late, he went late, he went late, he
Speaker 1: did Cassis went the tenth round early in the tenth round.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, whoa, whoa, Yep, it was. It's been a
Speaker 2: different it's.
Speaker 1: Been a different kind of draft. I mean, things have
Speaker 1: been a bit all over the place. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about my my picks. That's
Speaker 1: people probably interested in. So we're in the seventeenth round,
Speaker 1: and it is appropriate that we're talking about catchers because
Speaker 1: I have none yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, getting it's getting close to that time, I would think.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, so it's getting pretty close, and so we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about what happened there in a minute.
Speaker 1: But my second pick, so I wanted one of four
Speaker 1: players that were left, Fernando Tatis, Jackson Curio or Jared
Speaker 1: Durant or Francisco lindor Jan Duran, one of those four guys.
Speaker 1: I was pretty sure with five picks i'd get one
Speaker 1: of them, and I got Jared Durant. Not my first pick.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have had Jackson Curio, Francisco Lindor,
Speaker 1: Jared Durant, Fernana Tatis. That would have been the I
Speaker 1: wish I would have had those guys. So I got
Speaker 1: the third up. But that's that was okay, it was good.
Speaker 1: So I got a got an outfielder, got the first
Speaker 1: basement I wanted come come back around. Lots of pictures
Speaker 1: went off the board. Jacob de Gram, Corbyn Burns, Dylan
Speaker 1: Cees were off the board. Paul Skins, Trek Scougble, Garrett Cruschets.
Speaker 1: All the big guys were off. So I wanted a
Speaker 1: short stop. I wanted a high end shortsop, so I
Speaker 1: went with Corey Seeger. So I felt like I had
Speaker 1: big power with Seeger and Guerrera. I had big speed
Speaker 1: with Duran. I didn't have a picture yet, and this
Speaker 1: is where it was interesting. So next one Hayter, Mason Miller,
Speaker 1: George Kirby, and I'm sitting there going I really need
Speaker 1: a picture, but should I take a closer? And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it and all the big closers are off
Speaker 1: the board. The next tier is coming up, the Felix Bautistas,
Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley's, Andre's mun those guys right, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to calculate it and figure it out. I said, I
Speaker 1: think all of them are going to be gone, but
Speaker 1: maybe I'll have a shot at Robert Suarez or maybe
Speaker 1: Jeron Durand so that was my that was my thoughts.
Speaker 1: So I saw Chris Sail on the board and I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 1: the fourth round, Chris Sale, yeah, he heard his hat
Speaker 1: as it was a lap problem or back problem in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but he was awfully good. Everything in the
Speaker 1: data looked good about him, so he was my first
Speaker 1: picture off the board. He was not one of my targets,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was an opportunity because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the other starting pictures and he by far was
Speaker 1: the best picture on the board. Then I came back
Speaker 1: in the fifth round with Hunter Green. Your fault, I
Speaker 1: got Lad Durant, Seeger Sailing Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got balance on your offense, you got
Speaker 2: a big speed guy. You got power average. When you
Speaker 2: look at your your pitching, Yeah, Sailing Green, you're looking
Speaker 2: at three hundred and fifty two, three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: to four hundred strikeouts at your top two. I thought,
Speaker 2: with Grady, Ara and Web, yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 2: fine choice it all.
Speaker 1: But as I was, as I was worried, Durant and
Speaker 1: Suarez went rap before me, so I I was left
Speaker 1: with the next group of uh Alexis Diaz and Lucas Ersig.
Speaker 1: They were the next two off the board. So that's
Speaker 1: why I went with Hunter Green, because I'm thinking, we're
Speaker 1: gonna wait for a while. I looked and it was
Speaker 1: myself and one other team were the only people without
Speaker 1: a closer yet, so I'm thinking there's no point in
Speaker 1: jumping in early on one of those two guys. One
Speaker 1: of them is going to be when I come back
Speaker 1: around the next time through. So I went green. I
Speaker 1: love Seya Susuki. I decided to get my second outfitter,
Speaker 1: so that's who I went with in the sixth round.
Speaker 1: Then I came. I came back with my first closer.
Speaker 1: I wanted lucas Ierusa. He went about five picks before that,
Speaker 1: and I got Alexis Diaz, which is it's a volatile
Speaker 1: guide team. I'm not I'm I felt for almost twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. I just felt bad. I just didn't like
Speaker 1: the pick. I'm like, but I needed a closer. That's
Speaker 1: what I got. But I look back and I love
Speaker 1: all my first guys, but I got Alexis Dias. So
Speaker 1: I got to figure something to do.
Speaker 2: So what is what is your The one positive with
Speaker 2: Alexis Diaz is Cruise is now a Yankee, okay, And
Speaker 2: I think the leash will belong with Alexis Diaz and
Speaker 2: that counts. Okay. If you're going to take from the
Speaker 2: cheer you're in with with risk on closers. If you're
Speaker 2: going to take your risk knock off the cloes in waiting. Okay,
Speaker 2: that isn't waiting, and it improves your odds somewhat. You know,
Speaker 2: if you're if you've got three or four closers sitting
Speaker 2: there and they all have that same risk, find the
Speaker 2: one that's got the lousiest setup guy and go with him.
Speaker 2: At least that's what I would do.
Speaker 1: I would have preferred. Lucas Er said, I think he's
Speaker 1: a better picture. But I liked your logic there, and
Speaker 1: I knew that Cruz had left, so that was another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was almost I gotta take them like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to wait any further. I gotta take a closer
Speaker 1: because in this in this draft and holds it, there
Speaker 1: is no waiver wire. That is the guy you get.
Speaker 2: You're blowing off a category. And let's face it, even
Speaker 2: if Alexis Diez is mediocre at best, of the fourteen
Speaker 2: other teams that have the that have that have closers already,
Speaker 2: because every team probably has one at this stage, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe some teams have two. They're going to deal with injuries,
Speaker 2: and improves your chances with every injury, hoping that Alexis
Speaker 2: d Is isn't the one getting injured right.
Speaker 1: So I took Alexisis in the seventh round, coming back
Speaker 1: around on the eighth five picks later. And I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of young kids coming off the board early,
Speaker 1: and I got some older players. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm Vlad Junior is a little younger, but
Speaker 1: I got some older guys, and I really wanted Dylan
Speaker 1: Cruz on my team. So I took Dylan Cruise in
Speaker 1: the eighth round around early, but given what I was seeing,
Speaker 1: he wasn't coming back.
Speaker 2: No, And I think that's something that you know when
Speaker 2: you're drafting at either end, especially, Yeah, you wanted Dylan Cruz.
Speaker 2: You believe in Dylan Cruz. Who cares if it's around early,
Speaker 2: he'd be a right could have been around late. Somebody
Speaker 2: could have taken him the round before. You you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's a it's a game where you
Speaker 2: don't know the answer. And hey, I don't think moving
Speaker 2: a player up around or two. I don't see any
Speaker 2: problems in that whatsoever. If it fits to what you're
Speaker 2: looking for. And you believe in the Blair.
Speaker 1: Well, I believe in I believe in I believe in
Speaker 1: the next player. It's a little risky because he might
Speaker 1: not he's not signed yet, and that is Jack Flaherty
Speaker 1: as my third pitcher. I mean, I think he figured
Speaker 1: some stuff out in Detroit. I hope he goes back
Speaker 1: there and then the next round, Timmy, I'm sorry, Mike
Speaker 1: Trout in the tenth round, Okay, I mean, give me
Speaker 1: a break.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you know what I mean. Yeah, cass has
Speaker 1: went one pick before that. I mean they were both
Speaker 1: just sitting at the top of the queue for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what what is going on here? Yeah, he's hurt,
Speaker 1: and once he gets hurt, he's done. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it. But Mike Trout was on Arguably he's having
Speaker 1: his best year before he got hurt last year. This
Speaker 1: is a guy that's the data still likes. Looks like
Speaker 1: he still has it. So I said, Mike Trout in
Speaker 1: tenth round, I'm in.
Speaker 2: I think he was leading major League Baseball and home runs.
Speaker 1: He was, That's right. Unfortunately, that was that was in
Speaker 1: May and he never came back. So there's that detail, right,
Speaker 1: So I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: So I've got four outfielders at this point, and people
Speaker 1: who've read my draft targets. I was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to go early on on outfielders, don't
Speaker 1: wait till late. But it was just an opportunity, and uh,
Speaker 1: all of those guys were targets of mine, and I
Speaker 1: jumped on them. I got four pitchers, I've got a
Speaker 1: short step. I got a first baseman, no middle infielder's,
Speaker 1: no third baseman, no catcher. That's where I'm sitting. So
Speaker 1: coming back in the eleventh round, I looked a little
Speaker 1: light in stolen bases, though I believe that Cruise is
Speaker 1: going to provide that. And obviously Durandez I went with
Speaker 1: the cal Garcia. As you know, I'm still a believer.
Speaker 2: He's your guy. With him.
Speaker 1: Then I felt like it was time to go back
Speaker 1: for my second closer because I waited on my first one.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get you know, the guy in
Speaker 1: Colorado Kinley or something like that. So so I was
Speaker 1: sitting there with Peter Pete Fairbanks. Uh, Peter Hodge, you know,
Speaker 1: I loved him, turn me on the him. But I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Liam Hendricks and everybody's forgetting about Liam Hendricks,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want somebody else to figure out that
Speaker 1: Liam Hendricks is a pretty damn good pitcher and should
Speaker 1: be back, and it's with Boston. They're saying he's going
Speaker 1: to be the closer. It was a bit of a risk,
Speaker 1: but I went Liam Hendricks.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, here in the tenth round.
Speaker 1: I'm in the twelfth round, okay, and.
Speaker 2: You got you got Hendrix. Yeah. The issue with Hendricks
Speaker 2: is if he does struggle, Chapman's there, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I will make sure I grab Chapman.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was going to say, yeah, I get
Speaker 2: Chapman a little bit later on. But you know that
Speaker 2: Liam Hendricks is actually younger than Chapman.
Speaker 1: Yes, well a lot, most everybody tell me Chatman.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we always think of Hendricks as being old,
Speaker 2: but he's a he's a full uh he's a full
Speaker 2: year younger than Chapman. Hmm, yeah, no, that's he.
Speaker 1: But at this at this point, most of the catchers
Speaker 1: have gone off the board. I just, I mean I
Speaker 1: liked Tyler Stevenson. I mean, I I like Francisco Alvarez,
Speaker 1: but I was busy with Michael Trout and making sure
Speaker 1: I shore up catching. I just I felt like I
Speaker 1: had other needs to fill and once I decided to
Speaker 1: wait on catching. Well, I decided to wait on catching,
Speaker 1: and it was okay, that's what you do. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: another another young player that you and I talked about,
Speaker 1: we think he's ready for a breakout, as Jackson Holiday.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna let him get past the thirteenth thirteenth round.
Speaker 1: So I took Jackson Holiday, came back with Sean Maniah
Speaker 1: and Gavin Williams, and then finished it up in the
Speaker 1: sixteenth round with And I told everybody was going to
Speaker 1: do this the guy I hate, Nolan Jones and my
Speaker 1: team there you go. So just so everybody knows, I
Speaker 1: don't hold a grudge. I will take a guy if
Speaker 1: I think there's value there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there is a sixty and outfield
Speaker 2: at that stage has got to be getting for these bars.
Speaker 1: I've got five of them. I've got five of them,
Speaker 1: and there's and I got a second basement, a third baseman.
Speaker 1: I don't have a catcher. That's the only thing. So
Speaker 1: catching is going to be my weak point and maybe closing.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to have to probably go early with
Speaker 1: some setup guys. I might even go with, you know,
Speaker 1: a low end closer here for my third guy, just
Speaker 1: to make sure I get it. I've got seven pitchers,
Speaker 1: so it's I gave up on I I gave up
Speaker 1: on catching, and you got it. Not every sometimes things
Speaker 1: just don't work out. But I liked other players better
Speaker 1: as I was going through the process.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just like the old Rolling Stone song. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't always get what you want, but you might
Speaker 2: end up with what you need and that might work
Speaker 2: oh better in the long term. Right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't pass up Mike trow in half a season.
Speaker 2: He can. He can give you twenty plus home runs
Speaker 2: and fifty five sixty RBIs yep. Yeah, find another outfielder,
Speaker 2: stash them away or two, which you're going to do
Speaker 2: in a fifty rounder, and pray for health, right Sean.
Speaker 1: And I was did not make my targets, as our
Speaker 1: patron members know this, but he was right on the cuffs.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell everybody why. If you take a look
Speaker 1: at his first and second half splits, they're pretty stark.
Speaker 1: It was a five sixty eight first half era like
Speaker 1: a three eighteen second half era. And if you take
Speaker 1: a look at his delivery, he lowered his delivery, which
Speaker 1: is probably gonna put a lot more stress on his arm,
Speaker 1: so he could come up with arm injury. I just
Speaker 1: hope it won't be this season. But he literally coming
Speaker 1: to the left side with a little lower three quarters delivery,
Speaker 1: given his stuff, that's going to flat out play. And
Speaker 1: I think that that attributed a lot to the success
Speaker 1: he had in the second half. So it was a
Speaker 1: calculated take there, knowing that something definitively happened, that he
Speaker 1: changed something, he had the success. Yes, there's more injury
Speaker 1: risk now, but I'm hoping acrossing my fingers he'll be
Speaker 1: good for another season.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you get one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five to one hundred and thirty innings, that'll suffice where
Speaker 2: you drafted him. Yeah, yeah, that works. That works. And
Speaker 2: by by not just looking and saying, well, you had
Speaker 2: a better second half, you found the reason why.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, sometimes you have a better first half or a
Speaker 2: better second half and there is no reason why. That's
Speaker 2: a little more concerning than than searching through and coming
Speaker 2: up with the definition.
Speaker 1: The nice thing about slow drafts is Sean and I,
Speaker 1: because I looked up quickly looked at the splits and like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty dramatic and looked at the stuff and I
Speaker 1: didn't really see any difference in the stuff. I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: that's really weird. Has he been interviewed? I mean, clearly,
Speaker 1: somebody that was that much better in the second half
Speaker 1: than the first half, somebody must have interviewed him on that.
Speaker 1: So I found an interview where he said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: changed my arm delivery. So then I went back to
Speaker 1: went back to the video. I looked at his like
Speaker 1: an April delivery and an August delivery, and sure enough
Speaker 1: he had lowered his delivery. And I go, okay, done, Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you're You're It's a calculated it's a calculated risk. So
Speaker 1: if I take out my pitch and I got sale
Speaker 1: Green Flaherty, Maniah, Gavin Williams is my top five guys.
Speaker 1: I feel really good about it. Timmy, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like what you've done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got two young bets with Holiday and Cruise.
Speaker 1: Holiday might blow up on both of us, but I
Speaker 1: think in the thirteenth round, I just think the upside.
Speaker 1: The data looks so good on this guy, even though
Speaker 1: the data that counts his batting average, home runs and
Speaker 1: solar basis looks terrible. Uh, the underlying data looks a
Speaker 1: lot better than that.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you're going to take a chance on
Speaker 2: a player, take a chance on a player that has
Speaker 2: significant upside, right yep, and he does as just cruise. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So no, I I like it when you what's left
Speaker 2: for catcher or are we gonna are we gonna leave
Speaker 2: that to to when we actually discussed the catching position.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's I mean, I've got some ideas, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of our Patreon members are playing in
Speaker 1: this league, so that's what that's what they're taking Ryant
Speaker 1: Langford early and things like that. So I'm gonna hold
Speaker 1: that to my I've got a guy that I want.
Speaker 1: If you read my my targets, you'll see who that is.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's going to be too under the
Speaker 1: radar guys. It just is. And I'm probably gonna I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna get young rookie catcher as my third or
Speaker 1: fourth guy, So makes sense. Maybe your guy Carter Jensen
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to see catchers get called up
Speaker 2: in a long season, so there are no shortage of
Speaker 2: young kids chomping at the bid. So no good good job,
Speaker 2: good job.
Speaker 1: I think I feel good about it. I mean, you
Speaker 1: never do when you're going through it, particularly when it's slow.
Speaker 1: I mean, the emotions are up and down, and because
Speaker 1: it's so long, you don't really have an emotion at
Speaker 1: the end. It's just you look at these players and
Speaker 1: I go, well, I like all the players. Do I
Speaker 1: like my construction of my team. Boy, I wish I
Speaker 1: had a catcher. Boy, I wish I had a top endcloser.
Speaker 1: So I always go to the negatives, right, It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I had this, but I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say it. Don't you know what?
Speaker 2: You can't get everything you want At some point in time.
Speaker 2: You know you made your decision when you your fourth pick,
Speaker 2: Chris say, yeah, yeah, you know, do you want to
Speaker 2: strike out and the overall influence of that low era
Speaker 2: cast upon your team or do you want to go
Speaker 2: with a closer at that stage? And I went went
Speaker 2: with the starter. I know, I know in my draft
Speaker 2: I took I'm just gonna pull it up real quick,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure I took Josh Josh Hater early.
Speaker 2: But after Hater I just sort of just sort of
Speaker 2: left it and the way you go right, Well, what
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: And again this is an advantage of slow dress is
Speaker 1: you're looking that up. When I knew I had a
Speaker 1: chance to take Chris Sale, I'm like, I mean, thirty
Speaker 1: seven years old one Tommy John Surgery was Cygong Award
Speaker 1: winner plays for the Brave. So just do really good
Speaker 1: things with pictures? Or do I go with a closer
Speaker 1: What do I do? And I literally just close my computer,
Speaker 1: got on my running shoes and I went out for
Speaker 1: a run. And somewhere midway through my run, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Chris Sale. That's the that feels like the
Speaker 1: smart play, the opportunity that's there. So for all the
Speaker 1: people that draft that, I apologize, you're on the clock
Speaker 1: for forty minutes. I was out thinking, but that's I
Speaker 1: thought that was a critical like I could screw this complete.
Speaker 1: I could screw this draft up right here. And that's
Speaker 1: that's the decision I made. We'll see if it works out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I took Hater, but I took Kirby at
Speaker 2: three thirteen, and then I took Haber Hater, and I
Speaker 2: took Biby Skip Skip So so.
Speaker 1: So Hater lasted to the fifth.
Speaker 2: Round, fourth round. I went with two pictures in three four.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I went Seeger and sale, you went, uh,
Speaker 1: you went Kirby and Hater. Hater was Hater available, Hater
Speaker 1: was already gone.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Well, the difference between our two drafts
Speaker 2: is we we have a waiver wire and play in season, okay,
Speaker 2: and you don't. Okay. So that changes the matrix big time.
Speaker 1: I could have gone Kirby would have been there with
Speaker 1: the third pick, but Hater went to pick aftermine in
Speaker 1: the third, so he would I could not have done
Speaker 1: the guy picking in fourteen with Hater Kirby.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay. So in fact, interesting.
Speaker 1: He did Francisco Lindor Hayter Kirby. He did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, except I got Cheerio with my second pick. And
Speaker 2: then of after I had my two bats, I had one, two, three, four.
Speaker 2: My next five picks, four of them were pitchers.
Speaker 1: Yep, I will take. I will tell you it's fun drafting.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is fun. It's it's it's you. If you
Speaker 2: can't you can't beat an early draft, you're really It
Speaker 2: just gets you, warms the cookles of your heart.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it totally agree. So I hope everybody got something
Speaker 1: out of that, not saying my picks are right, saying
Speaker 1: my strategy is right. But at least you got a
Speaker 1: chance to hear two guys now with two drafts, Ten's
Speaker 1: draft in my draft, talking about our logic and what
Speaker 1: we're doing and whether it makes sense or not. And
Speaker 1: if you can apply that to some of your thinking,
Speaker 1: good or bad, you could say that's totally not the
Speaker 1: right way to do it. I'm going to do something different,
Speaker 1: at least hopefully, Timmy, the conversation helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is early, a lot of things are
Speaker 2: going to change. But I think the logic that we
Speaker 2: both utilized in trying to assemble our teams is solid
Speaker 2: and hopefully but like you said, I just reiterated, people
Speaker 2: can get something out of it when they get into
Speaker 2: their own to.
Speaker 1: Mean to take a break. Wow, we've gone thirty four
Speaker 1: minutes forgot to wish you happy Happy New Year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, happy New Year you and the family as well.
Speaker 1: Rich Now you're probably not a curb your enthusiasm. Larry
Speaker 1: David fan but he did a whole episode on when
Speaker 1: is it too late to wish somebody a happy New Year,
Speaker 1: which I think he came up with three days, so
Speaker 1: I might be a little late. But next week it
Speaker 1: is too late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, next week, yeah, it probably is. I posted memap
Speaker 2: on the up on my Facebook page about people in
Speaker 2: Christmas decorations, like why are they putting them up? Like
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty some odd days early?
Speaker 1: So when do you take your Christmas decorations down?
Speaker 2: I don't whenever whenever Joji decides to pull them down.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm saying they're up for next year? How's that?
Speaker 2: I'm early?
Speaker 1: Are they so? Seriously? Are the Christmas decoration? Do you
Speaker 1: still have Christmas decoration in your home? Up?
Speaker 2: Let me just take a quick spy around here. I
Speaker 2: live here, but you never know it. Sometimes I think,
Speaker 2: uh no, the tree is the tree is down, but
Speaker 2: some of the other stuff is up. Lights, internal lights,
Speaker 2: we get some lights and rees.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's time to take them down.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, don't you think? Yeah, I'll mention that.
Speaker 1: Some please don't ours comes down January.
Speaker 2: That richest direction our our.
Speaker 1: History here is January first. Everything comes down, whether we
Speaker 1: still like it or not.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: In places in the South December twenty second, I'm excuse me,
Speaker 1: Jim's twenty six trees are out on the side of
Speaker 1: the road. I mean, that's that's it. There, You're done
Speaker 1: with Christmas is done.
Speaker 2: Well, I know in retail stores are already ever, they're
Speaker 2: already pushing palaties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we got a little bit of
Speaker 1: news and notes. And as I reported last week, and
Speaker 1: what I was hearing about Jack Flaherty was he didn't
Speaker 1: want to go back to the Orioles, and that's now
Speaker 1: being reported pretty broadly that it didn't go so well
Speaker 1: with them, and nobody knows why, just didn't go very well.
Speaker 1: So the Orioles need pitching him, and they turned to
Speaker 1: forty one year old Charlie Morton. It's only a one
Speaker 1: year deal, but it's almost like taking Lewis a rise
Speaker 1: in a draft. It feels like you've done something wrong
Speaker 1: if you have to have Charlie Morton in your rotation.
Speaker 2: Well, and hey, not knocking them for chasings again. Over
Speaker 2: there's only a one year deal and he's thirty five.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're taking that, they're taking what's left over,
Speaker 2: and you know what, Charlie Morton, he might be an upgrade. Okay,
Speaker 2: Over with Baltimore can currently rule as a number five starter.
Speaker 2: But I've said it numerous times already taking the Oaths
Speaker 2: to the promised land. Yeah, four nineteen year A last
Speaker 2: year is age forty one, season forty two this year.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing town, It's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I think the O's right now are in the process
Speaker 2: of doing what the Jays did four or five years ago.
Speaker 2: The mindset, we've got all these prospects, We're not going
Speaker 2: to give them away. We're not. You know, we got
Speaker 2: four years of stability and the big bets and everything,
Speaker 2: and before you know it, it'll be two years before
Speaker 2: Gunner and Adelaie walk and they'll be saying the same
Speaker 2: thing and they won't have a title.
Speaker 1: I just I think it's now practice. I think it's terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean that this is the direction they're going, and
Speaker 1: they either nobody wants to sign with them or they're
Speaker 1: just unwilling to fork over the prospects or fork over
Speaker 1: the money. It is not a good situation. And I
Speaker 1: mean Charlie Morton's he's fine, He's a number five starter.
Speaker 1: They don't need number five starters. They need somebody to
Speaker 1: replace Corbyn Burns that they just do. And it's not
Speaker 1: Zach Efflin. It might be Grayson Rodriguez, but he's a kid.
Speaker 2: Still, well, yeah, he's a kid, and he's also lost
Speaker 2: time due to injuries so far right he has.
Speaker 1: Indeed, I think he's really I think he's very good.
Speaker 2: Though, yes, I agree, I think he's a very good pitcher.
Speaker 2: But they need they need a number one, number two
Speaker 2: type starter. I think Athlyn's a fine number three, and
Speaker 2: maybe someday Grayson Rodriguez will be that das or then
Speaker 2: number two. But right now there's a hole at the
Speaker 2: top of that rotation and they're not It doesn't look
Speaker 2: like they're going to be trying to fill it anytime soon.
Speaker 1: It just feels like Max sures there's going to be
Speaker 1: the next guy they announced, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing? Like there was a
Speaker 1: there was a meme that said Joe Biden was a
Speaker 1: pretty good pitcher in his days. He's only eighty two
Speaker 1: years old, so he's a available now, so they're gonna
Speaker 1: sign him. I'm like, great, the list, next on the list,
Speaker 1: get the old guys out there. Anyway, I'm disappointed, as uh,
Speaker 1: my wife's a huge Oriols fan. As everybody knows, I
Speaker 1: watch a lot of the games. It's it's it's upsetting
Speaker 1: as a fan, and it's as an analyst. It's also
Speaker 1: ticks me off because it's just not right. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're not going about it the right way.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is gonna work.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I can't believe it's gonna work either. I
Speaker 2: think what's going to end up happening is they're gonna
Speaker 2: waste Ano. They're one of those what total of five
Speaker 2: six years. They're gonna waste another year this year and
Speaker 2: next year they're going to be searching for the same
Speaker 2: thing that they could have been actually having this year,
Speaker 2: that that's a starting pitcher. Unlet's and let's say let's
Speaker 2: they have plans on signing Sazaki. Yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Sasaki's the end of the month he's sposed
Speaker 1: to sign. They're saying after the twentieth. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they picked the twentieth, but that was a report
Speaker 1: I saw. So he's gonna go out less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. He's making his rounds right now
Speaker 2: and doing his due diligence. But I'm sure he's got
Speaker 2: a short list of teams.
Speaker 1: Somebody sent us a note, maybe it was Bob king
Speaker 1: High that that you Darvish told him to sign with
Speaker 1: the Cubs. That's what he heard.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, if you look around Major League Baseball,
Speaker 2: the Cubs have got a great history of signing Asian players.
Speaker 2: So does Texas. Okay, Boston has had more than its
Speaker 2: fair share of Asian players. Okay, there's a group of
Speaker 2: teams that have done their due diligence over the years
Speaker 2: and have signed a lot of the Asian players. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to all be at or near
Speaker 2: the top of the list, you know what I mean, Darbish. No,
Speaker 2: Darvish is very close to Zaki Affharan, and again I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if he signed with the Cubs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd say, is a Zuki go back to food Jakowa
Speaker 2: that they've had plenty of players and recruited heavily from Asia,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't Yeah, Texas is another team outside of the
Speaker 2: West Coast that's done the same in Boston. On the
Speaker 2: East Coast, the Yankees. Boston and the Yankees of both
Speaker 2: done their fair share of recruiting other japan and Koreas.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the good news for him is he can
Speaker 1: sign with any team that he wants because they're all
Speaker 1: because he's going to be limited by the international money
Speaker 1: and there's not a big discrepancy between the teams with
Speaker 1: the lowest international budget and the highest international budget, so
Speaker 1: he's you know, he should be able to pick the
Speaker 1: team that he wants to go to. The Dodgers think
Speaker 1: it's going to be them because they have nobody for
Speaker 1: this first time in years, one of the big international signings,
Speaker 1: they haven't committed to anybody, so they've got everything lined
Speaker 1: up to grab him if they don't. As Tim and
Speaker 1: I have talked about, somebody who's been made a commitment
Speaker 1: to is not going to get the money and it's
Speaker 1: just going to trickle down, which is going to be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a question for him, rich can teams offer to
Speaker 2: an international player like Suzaki? Can they offer him so
Speaker 2: many flights? Did your pany here? Can they offer him
Speaker 2: a a luxury box? Can they offer him perks of
Speaker 2: that nature?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would think that'd be a little
Speaker 1: dicey because it's not a major league contract, and that
Speaker 1: might they might think that that is that's financial that's
Speaker 1: a financial compensation that's above and beyond what you're allowed
Speaker 1: to sign internationally. So I'm going to say no. But
Speaker 1: that's just that's just thinking about.
Speaker 2: It about a car and a driver, security, all those things.
Speaker 1: They might be to get away with that because that
Speaker 1: would be considered part of the baseball development process.
Speaker 3: But I'm just curious because I would think everybody would
Speaker 3: be I think everybody would be providing that an interpreter
Speaker 3: and a driver and things like that.
Speaker 1: So but I don't know if you can get away
Speaker 1: with You're going to give him a half million dollar
Speaker 1: luxury or a million dollar luxury box, which is an
Speaker 1: asset of a million dollars and he basically goes on
Speaker 1: stubhop and puts it out. You know, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that would be allowed.
Speaker 2: Well I'm sure his goal it wouldn't be, But I
Speaker 2: get where you're coming from. Yeah, you could turn that
Speaker 2: asset into cash pretty quick.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to do that with an interpreter
Speaker 1: and a driver. I mean, I mean, I guess you
Speaker 1: could make your driver be an uber driver at night
Speaker 1: or something like that. I mean, I get, but that
Speaker 1: would be a little that might be a most demnimous
Speaker 1: type of money. But I would think a luxury box
Speaker 1: would be a big deal. So that's they're good questions.
Speaker 1: I haven't thought through that. I'll ask some of the
Speaker 1: agents that I work with and see what they say.
Speaker 2: But yeah, i'd be cus I'd be curious as to
Speaker 2: how far you can go okay before you cross that line.
Speaker 2: And there is a line there somewhere, I just don't
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 1: It's probably anything that is of significant value, would be
Speaker 1: my guess, and that's always going to be open for interpretation.
Speaker 1: I would guess a luxury box is too much. A
Speaker 1: driver is probably not. Now it's the driver driving a
Speaker 1: Ferrari versus you know, a Ford. I don't know so,
Speaker 1: but but that's interesting, so always interesting thing, all right.
Speaker 1: The other signing was it's not hassan Kim, it's I
Speaker 1: think hasan kim. Is that how you would pronounce it?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think it's high. Otherwise rounds like an eye,
Speaker 2: But I could be.
Speaker 1: H y E s O n G is the way
Speaker 1: I read it, as opposed to h a hyphen ata
Speaker 1: se o n G. But so I got my my, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this guy. Tell us about him.
Speaker 1: But you've ritt just realized you're going to get a
Speaker 1: couple of zero point zeros as you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It, but I can't hear them, so I just ignore it.
Speaker 1: Okay, why did Dodger sign him?
Speaker 2: Why did Dodger sign him? I think we might have
Speaker 2: to discuss that with Gavin Lucks.
Speaker 1: You been saying that, you said that one last week
Speaker 1: is Gavin Luck's going to be the starter on I
Speaker 1: think I said July first or something you said. No.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this might sort of play into this
Speaker 2: because Kim was a shortstop before moving to second base,
Speaker 2: and I've looked I've looked at the film of of
Speaker 2: Kim and I think he can still play strong enough.
Speaker 2: I think it is enough range there as a second baseman. Defensively,
Speaker 2: he's elite. Okay, we're talking krem Dela Creme. As far
Speaker 2: as his defense is concerned. Uh, Looking from the shortstop,
Speaker 2: I would say he's probably average, maybe a bit above.
Speaker 2: But second base. Second base is where you ideally want
Speaker 2: that glove, and it, like I said, is truly elite.
Speaker 1: So what kind of offense are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's where things get tricky. He's a e lite
Speaker 2: off hitter, So you're looking at his biggest year from
Speaker 2: a PowerPoint of view in Korea, even with their their
Speaker 2: dead bull. Last year he had eleven home runs. So
Speaker 2: I think you're looking at a guy who's going to
Speaker 2: hit a handful three or five home run.
Speaker 1: Because power has not been translated at all coming from
Speaker 1: from the KBO.
Speaker 2: No. But again, you're looking at a guy who's lowest
Speaker 2: OBP in the past four years is three seventy two.
Speaker 2: He hasn't had a batting average under three hundreds since
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so he can't hit. His contact skills are good.
Speaker 2: He's stolen as many as forty six bases four years ago.
Speaker 2: Last year he stole thirty, got cut six times, score
Speaker 2: ninety runs.
Speaker 1: So if Mookie Betts plays short, Gavin Lux play second,
Speaker 1: you're saying that Heisan Kim is an elite second baseman. Offensively,
Speaker 1: sounds like he's a better hitter at least, maybe Lux
Speaker 1: has got more power. Isn't Kim gonna play second?
Speaker 2: Yes? I would. Again, if BET's bets goes to short,
Speaker 2: Kim could very easily slide in where Lux is at second. Actually,
Speaker 2: I think Kim could slide into shortstop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they said that evan't They said that Bets
Speaker 1: is playing shortstop.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, who knows. The Dodgers could still sign three
Speaker 2: more shortstops. Who knows. They got the kid from Miami
Speaker 2: there still too. So I definitely defensively, Kim's an upgrade
Speaker 2: at second base over whoever they put there. Okay' he's
Speaker 2: that good. And you know what I mean, I'm probably
Speaker 2: hitting the nine hole if he plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not hitting lead off. No.
Speaker 2: No, I think shoey Otani is relatively safe and goes
Speaker 2: to bed for each and every night knowing that. But again, hey,
Speaker 2: if you're looking for power, ain't gonna be there. If
Speaker 2: you're looking for speed, he can provide it along with
Speaker 2: a decent hit tool. And it's all about what happens
Speaker 2: with second and shortstop. Uh in l A. And we
Speaker 2: have no idea at this point in time it is
Speaker 2: going to eventually shake down. I don't believe Gavin Lux
Speaker 2: is the answer though, and I think signing this guy
Speaker 2: basically reinforces that.
Speaker 1: So I have a couple of shares at least one
Speaker 1: year and Gavin Lux in the Dynasty League, and I
Speaker 1: tell you to him, I'm a little worried that Gavin
Speaker 1: Lux is either going to get moved or he's going
Speaker 1: to be a part time player, because I mean, he
Speaker 1: did not have a strong season last year, was on
Speaker 1: top prospect, he missed an entire year when he was hurt,
Speaker 1: and he just didn't put it together last year, and
Speaker 1: that was his chance. And the Dodgers are too good.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not going to sit on their laurels
Speaker 1: and wait for a guy to produce. They're going to
Speaker 1: find somebody else. I go ask Josh, Josh Outman, go
Speaker 1: ask Ken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and hey, this signing basically says, hey, if
Speaker 2: you're not going to get it done, we're going to
Speaker 2: get somebody who we believe can, maybe in a different fashion,
Speaker 2: maybe providing different overall numbers. But yeah, you take a
Speaker 2: look at I had Kim Strake Oats walks. He struck
Speaker 2: out sixty two times last year, walked forty seven the
Speaker 2: year before, seventy seven and fifty seven, eighty three and
Speaker 2: forty seven. Yeah, he knows how to find his way
Speaker 2: to first base, yep, and and hit for high average
Speaker 2: at the same time. So I think there's something there
Speaker 2: in your draft hold. I'd probably look at him after thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I really think if the Dodge, the
Speaker 2: Dodgers are are showing an incredible urgency to want to
Speaker 2: win now and win more. And they I know they
Speaker 2: don't have big money tied up in Kim, but they're
Speaker 2: they're doing everything to win it, not just next year
Speaker 2: but into twenty six and into twenty seven, and why not.
Speaker 2: That's they're They're there to win it. That's what everybody
Speaker 2: should be. There.
Speaker 1: Who I feel bad for is Dalton Rushing. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: guy is about ready. If not he is ready, there's
Speaker 1: absolutely no room for him.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. And again I think that's something when you
Speaker 2: look at teams like the Dodgers and the Yankees, there
Speaker 2: should be a I don't care how good the prospect is,
Speaker 2: barring rookie sazaki, you know, there's no no room at
Speaker 2: the end, right get there, they'll go and they'll get players.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't doesn't matter how good Dalton Rushing is
Speaker 2: does it unless he is elite, they'll go. They'll find somebody, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's unfortunate with these really good teams. You got
Speaker 1: to be elite and then when you when you get
Speaker 1: the call. It's unfortunate him. You got to hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. There is no adjustment period. You gotta go
Speaker 1: to for four the first night and and keep it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the way it is. It's unfair,
Speaker 1: but it's it's true.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, look at pay Payos.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he was good the first month and then
Speaker 1: started the struggle and he's so so deeply buried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's no shot. And the same as with Outman.
Speaker 1: Outman has split problems and he's hoping for a trade.
Speaker 1: Payas is hoping for a trade. I bet you a
Speaker 1: Dalton Russians called his representative and saying, hey, get me
Speaker 1: out of here. I mean that they're these guys are
Speaker 1: really stuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. And you're same with the Yankee system, right,
Speaker 2: not to the same extent right now as the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: but it is the same principle, right it is.
Speaker 1: It is, Timmy, let's take a break and then let's
Speaker 1: talk about your catchers.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: And so nothing's nothing's cooking on my draft here. I'm
Speaker 1: six or seven and slots away from picking.
Speaker 2: So speaking of catchers, I did remove one from the
Speaker 2: list with the Kim signing.
Speaker 1: Who is that Diego cart Oh, that's right, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about That's right. I had him in the notes
Speaker 1: as well. He got DFA, which is rough, which means
Speaker 1: any he's taken off the forty man. That's what that means.
Speaker 1: And any team can now sign him to a major
Speaker 1: league deal if they want, probably not, but a minor
Speaker 1: league deal. It is truly remarkable how far he has fallen.
Speaker 2: Well, patience is a virtue. The Dodgers don't have much
Speaker 2: of it right now, do they. Hey, Carte is We've
Speaker 2: discussed him numerous times, and he's a product of his
Speaker 2: own making right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just yeah, he came in overweight that one year.
Speaker 1: And I mean from everything I hear from the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: Dodgers directly, they really like the kid, you know, but
Speaker 1: he just didn't perform and others passed them, and you know,
Speaker 1: they need it room.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's sick and he's looking up at when
Speaker 2: he's looking up at rushing. Yeah, that's not a good sign,
Speaker 2: is it. No?
Speaker 1: And it's just it's I you know, I'm sure the
Speaker 1: Dodgers would have loved to have kept him. I hope
Speaker 1: somebody else signs them. There's a ten day waiting period.
Speaker 1: But if he re signs with the Dodgers, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not good. I mean, if you got him in
Speaker 1: the Dynasty League, good luck. I mean, it's probably not
Speaker 1: the guy to hold on to.
Speaker 2: Well, no, and let's face it, we know what the
Speaker 2: Dodgers' plans are or the catcher for next year. They
Speaker 2: brought in Austin Barnes, thirty five year old Austin Barnes
Speaker 2: to be their back up to Will Smith. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, also Barnes, he's always been there unless he moved.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a long term yet Dodger guy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess sorry that. Yeah, they still have barn City.
Speaker 2: They they picked up an option or something. They kept
Speaker 2: Barnes for next year, so we know what their plans are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Will Smith is still elite, he's still not
Speaker 1: that old and he's signed. And you know, I'm Dalton
Speaker 1: rushing words he play where is Diego Cartie? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. It is really really tough if you're
Speaker 1: you're in the Dodgers farm system at the moment, Timmy,
Speaker 1: let us talk about your catchers. Okay. One of the
Speaker 1: pieces of feedback I gave Tim, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've received that yet, And Tim kind of gave this
Speaker 1: opening paragraph, which is well written and makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, like you can go here, you can go there.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? How are you handling catching?
Speaker 2: Uh? I'm looking at the Midgiar, I'm okay. I probably
Speaker 2: will not have rostered any of the top eight or
Speaker 2: so catchers. I am looking at the Austin Wells Kybird
Speaker 2: gueez uh, Gabriel mar Marino. I haven't Herrera might take
Speaker 2: a chance on bow Naylor's sitting sitting down after twenty,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to be. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's a little later than mid tier, though.
Speaker 2: Well mid mid mid tier for me is after after.
Speaker 2: I would say about pick eight, Francisco Alvarez is going
Speaker 2: at one fifty one, which is your tenth round. The
Speaker 2: odds of me owning anybody above that are probably relatively slim,
Speaker 2: unless I'm in a keeper situation. I got somebody.
Speaker 1: Salvarez is an eleventh round pick. That's where you gotta
Speaker 1: grab the eleventh round, So that's that's where you're looking.
Speaker 1: Tenth round, get them, jump the line around and grab.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm looking at Alvarez, l angel Leers, Real Muto.
Speaker 2: I like the price on Real Muto. Uh, Tyler Stevenson.
Speaker 2: That's sort of your top seven or eight are all
Speaker 2: going in, But until you get to o'hapi in round age,
Speaker 2: you're looking at around seven six and up. I'm going
Speaker 2: to be focusing on high end bess, high end starting pitching,
Speaker 2: maybe with a closer in there. In the first seven
Speaker 2: rounds or so. I get the value, but I just
Speaker 2: I think I can do better overall by by looking
Speaker 2: at what I'm calling the mid tier, which is Alvarez
Speaker 2: to about pick eighteen nineteen somewhere in that ring.
Speaker 1: My analysis, Mine analysis proved as well your point. I
Speaker 1: think we've been saying for a long time that catching
Speaker 1: is getting deeper. It is, and I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: the fruits of that now. And Austin Wells, you know,
Speaker 1: third and Rookie of the year, fine guy, Tyler Stevenson.
Speaker 1: How many home runs did Ryan Jeffers have? And those
Speaker 1: are those are guys that you can get in the
Speaker 1: fourteenth fifteen, sixteenth round. I just think there's value there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I in the first I did. I think I
Speaker 2: got Wells in the eighteenth or nineteenth round something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he he just kept following, Nobody kept taking him, so
Speaker 2: finally I took about me sit there forever. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's uh yeah, So I get the
Speaker 2: value of having the consistency of a will Smith or
Speaker 2: the upside of Yan Yourdiz or Adley Rechman, or the
Speaker 2: overall great numbers from William Contreras. But I think the
Speaker 2: difference between who I take other than a catcher and
Speaker 2: the catcher I take later on I think is going
Speaker 2: to prove to be more valuable than William William Contreras
Speaker 2: and a twelve thirteenth round. Uh, whatever's on the board, yep.
Speaker 1: And William Contreras is very good. He's your number one guy.
Speaker 1: He is the ADPs. His ADP is twenty seven to
Speaker 1: twenty three, is very very good. He's in the elite
Speaker 1: of the elite. How hardy hits the ball, exit velocities,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, So he deserves that number
Speaker 1: one ranking.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I basically, in my tears, William Contreras, I
Speaker 2: have him right now as the only elite catcher. You know,
Speaker 2: what really sean to me wasn't so much the home runs. Sorry,
Speaker 2: every ized bad. That all speaks for itself. But he
Speaker 2: scored ninety nine runs, which is twenty two more than
Speaker 2: the next closest to his runner up twenty two runs scored.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of runs scored.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming from the catching position is amazing. But in
Speaker 1: my draft him, he went in the second round, the
Speaker 1: eighth pick. I mean he went twenty third.
Speaker 2: That's that's yeah, Yeah, I get it. That's not going
Speaker 2: to be the way I play the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, he went in front of Bryce Harper,
Speaker 1: in front of you know, to tell Martay, I struggle
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, if I was going to take
Speaker 2: Controller in round two, I'd be doubling down and taking
Speaker 2: Adley or Yan your Diaz or Celpras or cal Riley.
Speaker 2: I'd want will Smith. I wouldn't be going just William Contreras.
Speaker 2: I'd be over interesting at that position. That's that's the
Speaker 2: way I would play it. If I was playing that game,
Speaker 2: I would want to have two of the top seven
Speaker 2: eight catchers yea and hit in that direction. If I'm
Speaker 2: going to look at Contreras, what's the point of taking
Speaker 2: Contreras and then doubling doubling down in round twenty four
Speaker 2: with Joey Burt. It's part of self defeating, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the theory is it goes back to ron
Speaker 1: Chandler and his scarcity resource or theory that catching is
Speaker 1: such a scarce resource that you need to get a
Speaker 1: high end one, and that William Trais is so much
Speaker 1: better than you know, the number twentieth catcher off the board,
Speaker 1: that that's why you go there. But I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I agree with the theory. I'm not sure it's true
Speaker 1: anymore with catchers. I guess that's my point.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we've come a long way from the days
Speaker 2: of Oh Orga Pisada and who is the big guy
Speaker 2: from the Mets Hall of Famer Dodgers guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: We've come a long way from having two three catchers
Speaker 2: and twenty three let's fill in the blanks because it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter catchers. Now, we we have catchers into the
Speaker 2: late teens that produce decent numbers, and even five years ago,
Speaker 2: we didn't have that, did we. No.
Speaker 1: I mean it's still weighing pictures. I mean, he's still
Speaker 1: going to get five hundred bats or you know, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be it's going to get six hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty or something like that that you know, you
Speaker 1: get some of these, you know, like who I picked Durant?
Speaker 1: Jared Durant, is you know, going to bat lead off
Speaker 1: and just rack up at bats for you and stole
Speaker 1: a base opportunity, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming in at number two, you now you've got
Speaker 1: them flipped. You got Adlie Rutchman in front of Yon
Speaker 1: your Diaz and goes Yon your Diaz than Natalie Rutchman.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking with two and three? Here?
Speaker 2: H retch fand really had himself a terrible second half,
Speaker 2: bad like that. Yeah, it was ugly. I think you
Speaker 2: only had three home runs in the second half. First half,
Speaker 2: he was looking like the best offensive catcher in the game.
Speaker 2: And I don't see a repeat there. And as much
Speaker 2: as I like the potential from Diaz, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Diaz is a thirty one hundred bat
Speaker 2: and I think Adli Ruchmand still could be. So that's
Speaker 2: that's why I have him flipped.
Speaker 1: I mean, Yon, your Diaz chases everything. I mean, how
Speaker 1: many walks did he have last year?
Speaker 2: Wasn't very many, It wasn't an It wasn't. I have
Speaker 2: some concerns with Diez, but I think a floor of
Speaker 2: twenty eighty is a solid enough floor when you take
Speaker 2: into consideration his youth versus the guy that I have
Speaker 2: at number four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jan Your Diaz walk three point nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time, which was an improvement from two point nine
Speaker 1: percent of the time in twenty twenty. This guy's a free.
Speaker 2: Swinger, Yeah, yeah, he is. I just think Adle is
Speaker 2: a better all around player and pay my selection as
Speaker 2: him being my number two catcher just reflects that.
Speaker 1: Then you go Salivard or Peress. Sal Perez Cayl Riley
Speaker 1: finishes out the top five, which is chalk with how
Speaker 1: they're going in the NFC. Anything to say about those two.
Speaker 2: Well, Salperez last time he had less than twenty homers
Speaker 2: was twenty fourteen. That's a long time ago. In a
Speaker 2: full season cal Rally, he's got everything you want except
Speaker 2: for one thing batting average. But the numbers he produces
Speaker 2: are such high caliber, like thirty four home he was
Speaker 2: first home runs with thirty four. Second in RBI it's
Speaker 2: with one hundred, yeah, third and run score with seventy three.
Speaker 2: You can live with a two twenty batting average when
Speaker 2: you're elite in those other categories.
Speaker 1: Up against his peers, Tim Goes, Will Smith and Wilson Contreras,
Speaker 1: they're flipped in the NFBC, but they're very close. For
Speaker 1: for slots, we're gonna call that chalk Logan O'hoppi comes
Speaker 1: in at number eight. Anything to say about those.
Speaker 2: Three, Ah, when you look at the catcher position, Will
Speaker 2: Smith is about as safe as you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: I believe so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, over the past four years, twenty five, twenty four,
Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty home runs, the RBIs are amazing. Seventy six,
Speaker 2: eighty seven, seventy six and seventy five RBIs over the
Speaker 2: past four years. Safe floor in the sixth seventh round. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got to be your guy. And that's why I
Speaker 2: moved him up a little, just a notch. I was
Speaker 2: flipp back and forth as far as where I should
Speaker 2: put Contraras, and I had him as high as five
Speaker 2: and as low as right where he is, and they're
Speaker 2: they're all fine choices.
Speaker 1: And you could argue that Wilson Contreras is gonna be
Speaker 1: at first base this year, so there might be more
Speaker 1: at badstly played all the time. But this could be
Speaker 1: the last year he's a Catri.
Speaker 2: Eligible if the Cardinals are true to their word, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it will be his last year. And Logan o'happy I
Speaker 2: love Okay. I think what we learned last year, the
Speaker 2: important thing was the shoulders to do heal and that
Speaker 2: torn La laboring the costume cost of most of his
Speaker 2: rookie season.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that, as I say in mine ear, I
Speaker 2: think the best has yet to come. It wouldn't surprise
Speaker 2: me at all to see Logan o'hapi move up this
Speaker 2: list fairly, dramatically, fairly quickly, and right now there is
Speaker 2: a there is a gap between Wilson Contreras will Smith
Speaker 2: at ninety three. Then you were to one sixteen, and
Speaker 2: that to me is your your second tier. Moving afterwards,
Speaker 2: you're looking at the Francisco Alvarez down the list pretty
Speaker 2: well begins another tier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at his Baseball Savant page. That's Logan
Speaker 1: o hop It's fascinating average ex VELOSSI way up there
Speaker 1: at seventieth percentile, heart hit rates, seventy ninth percentile. Bat
Speaker 1: speed though is at the twenty eighth percentile. What he
Speaker 1: is doing is his launch angle. Sweet spot. He's got
Speaker 1: so much launch in his swing he's able to control
Speaker 1: the launch and meet it so that he gets the
Speaker 1: maximum value out of launch in bat speed, which is
Speaker 1: pretty It's a truly remarkable feat. So he's got aggressive,
Speaker 1: got great hand eye coordination, and really great back control.
Speaker 1: He strikes out too much, doesn't walk enough, but man,
Speaker 1: guys should be able to hit some home runs based
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I think the best is yet
Speaker 2: to come. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see
Speaker 2: o' hobby move into the twenty five to thirty home
Speaker 2: run range with seventy to eighty RBI's. Part of the
Speaker 2: problem that I think will limit o' hobby is the
Speaker 2: surrounding cast, the same problem with say Landelaire's moving down
Speaker 2: the list of bit Yeah, the Angels aren't the powerhouse,
Speaker 2: and neither are the a's that will that will limit
Speaker 2: You know, you take a look where all of the
Speaker 2: catchers above pretty well are. They got pretty good offenses
Speaker 2: around them except for Ally maybe Yeah, it's okay, it's okay,
Speaker 2: it's not a poor offense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Angels are not very good.
Speaker 2: So no, the Angels aren't there. Neither are the a's
Speaker 2: and that will limit RBI opportunities. I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, let's take a break and come back,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to finally get a movement. Tim
Speaker 1: is finally stepping out with one guy about time. Tim
Speaker 1: will tell you he doesn't look at the NFC rankings
Speaker 1: at all because these are his rankings, and when they
Speaker 1: they align with what the NFC is, it's just they align.
Speaker 1: There is no there's no contriving going on.
Speaker 2: No, No, I I put I put things together based
Speaker 2: on my right. They're my rankings.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I even I even told Tim because Tim, Tim
Speaker 1: and I had the succession last year. I had this
Speaker 1: brilliant idea that I could take. I could automate seventy
Speaker 1: percent of Tim's job. Tim, let me let me give
Speaker 1: you all the all the NFC rankings. Everybody order. Remember
Speaker 1: I told you this by position, and all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is like, all you got to do is move
Speaker 1: them around? And timay is No, I'd rather go through
Speaker 1: it and put them and not be influenced by Worther
Speaker 1: Frank and be able to type the names in because
Speaker 1: then I have a better feel for it as a technologist.
Speaker 1: I was offended by that as a baseball guy, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, over the course of the year, okay,
Speaker 2: our season okay ends at the end of September. Okay,
Speaker 2: I start putting this together in November and December, and
Speaker 2: there's a gap in there. Okay. And as much as
Speaker 2: I would like to be delusional and state my memory
Speaker 2: is such that I can remember what they did last
Speaker 2: year and all of the inner workings, I can't. So
Speaker 2: as I go through and I type them and look
Speaker 2: at all the names individually, it gives me a chance
Speaker 2: to reference back to what they did and just double check.
Speaker 2: And it's a it's a lot of work. I agree
Speaker 2: with you. Your system would I could. I could bang
Speaker 2: this off in probably ten percent of the time, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel.
Speaker 1: Comfortable doing it. Rich Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not who I am, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm we gotta look at it, right.
Speaker 1: I'm all about see, I'm all about getting automation and
Speaker 1: let me come up with algorithms that like figure all
Speaker 1: the stuff out and then slurp something together and then
Speaker 1: I'll find tune it and you take it. You do it.
Speaker 1: Just the opposite. I mean you literally go from from
Speaker 1: building blocks, let's build this thing up, build it up
Speaker 1: the way I want it, and then I'll find tune
Speaker 1: and I I let everything. I let the system tell
Speaker 1: me how it should be based on algorithms that I've built.
Speaker 1: It's just a different way to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I go through roster resource and go team by
Speaker 2: team and manually type out all the names as I'm looking, and.
Speaker 1: I have a type I haven't typed. I haven't typed
Speaker 1: a player's name in all year, you know.
Speaker 2: I just you saw the word document. Every single name
Speaker 2: on that was typed in.
Speaker 1: I subscribe. I subscribe to a service that actually puts
Speaker 1: the players, particularly the Latin players, so they've got all
Speaker 1: those apostrophes and ascente cues and all that kind of
Speaker 1: stuffer over there, and it actually filters all that stuff
Speaker 1: out because then you don't get machinal names if you
Speaker 1: try to match without without the accent being there. So
Speaker 1: I've got that built into it as well. So when
Speaker 1: I type in logan o' hoppy logan o HOPI comes up.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, No, what I do is I rely on
Speaker 2: my editor to me calls correction.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's impressive. All right to me, the first one
Speaker 1: that you step out on here in a big way. Actually,
Speaker 1: as Francisco Alvarez, you're all in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when I look back to that season
Speaker 2: is a twenty one year ol when he had twenty five,
Speaker 2: I am all in. I think Alvarez is going to
Speaker 2: take the next step this year, and I think we're
Speaker 2: I think that twenty five home run season is not
Speaker 2: his best season. I think we're going to see better,
Speaker 2: better to come, and I'm willing to pay a little
Speaker 2: bit of a premium for Elvis. I think he's going
Speaker 2: to have a very good year. I'm a believer.
Speaker 1: I have a tendency to agree with you if you
Speaker 1: like the power. There's few catchers that I think can
Speaker 1: provide that level of pop. He's still twenty three. He
Speaker 1: does average ex velocity and Howard rates aren't huge, bat
Speaker 1: speed is above average. He's a better catcher than people
Speaker 1: gave him credit coming through the minor leagues. By the
Speaker 1: way is framing and pop times, those were all really good.
Speaker 1: So you know, for people who thought he'd have to
Speaker 1: move to first base, that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his defense was never heralded. It was so bad
Speaker 2: that generated. Yeah, and I agree with you. I think
Speaker 2: he's better than what was anticipated.
Speaker 1: What is a little curious, and I think maybe we're
Speaker 1: there's some value here is in two thousand if you
Speaker 1: look at the date in twenty twenty three, he hit
Speaker 1: the ball a lot harder, and as a twenty two
Speaker 1: and a twenty three year old, you don't generally see
Speaker 1: things go down. They usually go up. So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if there was some kind of injury that
Speaker 1: was providing this lack of exit velocity. Because twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three he looked like he was a power hitter. Last
Speaker 1: year he did not, and it showed in his eleven
Speaker 1: home runs.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: So going back to Thames thought, there's probably more power
Speaker 1: in the bat than what he's showing. Shaye Langlears finishes
Speaker 1: up the top ten. As anything else you want to
Speaker 1: say about Langlears.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I'd like to do is provide
Speaker 2: a little bit of food for thought. He had twenty
Speaker 2: nine homers and drove in eighty runs last year. He
Speaker 2: also struggled with a two twenty four batting average. If
Speaker 2: you want to draft Cowl rally, why don't you wait
Speaker 2: three rounds and up shade Languelars because you're getting pretty
Speaker 2: much the same player. Just some food for thought.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I mean the you still put Oakland.
Speaker 1: I how are we characterizing the athletics because the way
Speaker 1: it isn't fangraphs. They just have athletics. They have at H.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate a t H. I haven't decided yet
Speaker 2: whether I want to go O A C or S
Speaker 2: A C O A K sorry or s A C.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's O A K O A
Speaker 1: K anymore. I think that's definitely gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go s A C. Now if that doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: what's what.
Speaker 1: Is the I got that? I thank you, Tom. Let's
Speaker 1: see I deserve Let's say we're so an FBC still
Speaker 1: says O A K. They still got Oakland. So so
Speaker 1: they're they're more established than we are, So stick with Oakland.
Speaker 1: Oak I think you're stepping out too much. If you
Speaker 1: go SAC, people go what so. But it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what they what everybody eventually goes. I guess
Speaker 1: we're waiting on MLB to tell us what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it could be could be a while. But
Speaker 2: now I've got Langlers is pretty well talked too, but
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 1: I think that's a brilliant observation Tim makes. If you
Speaker 1: like cal Riley, wait forty picks and take Shane lang
Speaker 1: Lears because they're very similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only difference I think is is the maybe
Speaker 2: the supporting cast. But you look at the home run
Speaker 2: RBI numbers batting average, Yeah, it's ones of me. The
Speaker 2: other's a mini me, but are very close ones.
Speaker 1: I yep uh number eleven through fifteen, J T. Lilmuto,
Speaker 1: Tyler Stevenson, Austin Wells, Ryan Jeffers up for slots, and
Speaker 1: then Cabert Ruiz. You like Ryan Jeffers in that group
Speaker 1: the most? Tell us why?
Speaker 2: I have no idea because I didn't think I really
Speaker 2: liked him all that much. I think the problem with
Speaker 2: Jeffers is a lot of people take a look at
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three batting average at two seventy six.
Speaker 2: I think he posted like a three sixty babbit that year.
Speaker 2: The two twenty six last year, again, the babbot was
Speaker 2: incredibly low. I think somewhere in between is a likely destination. Ah,
Speaker 2: I like I like Jeffers for the homer and RBI
Speaker 2: production over for say Luiz Moreno Sean Murphy. But there,
Speaker 2: I'm it's not a lot to pick and choose. They're
Speaker 2: all very close in the in this range.
Speaker 1: But this is this is the area that you're fishing in.
Speaker 1: Romoltos Wells Jeffers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm finding despite the fact that i'm i'm
Speaker 2: I match up with Wells. I granted I a small
Speaker 2: sample size. After I was in there was no love
Speaker 2: for Wells at all, Okay, so I ended up getting
Speaker 2: a great bargain. I thought, I'm, you know, towards the
Speaker 2: eighteenth nineteenth I'd give I'd watch him very very closely.
Speaker 2: I like Austin Wells. I think he had a fine
Speaker 2: rookie season. He's young enough we could see more, and
Speaker 2: he plays on a team that's gonna have him. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of guys on base ahead of him, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The data looks okay. The nothing really stands out.
Speaker 1: I mean, does walk a lot, strikeout, mid pack power, midpack,
Speaker 1: no speed, there's nothing that that highlights that made this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be an All Star, And there's nothing that
Speaker 1: says he's a bus He's kind of sitting in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect mid round choice as much the same as
Speaker 2: you know you look at Yeah, you look at caber Ruiz.
Speaker 2: He's young, show he's only what twenty five, twenty six.
Speaker 2: I think there's a I think there's a better season
Speaker 2: than what we've saw movie forward. The one that concerns
Speaker 2: me probably the most from this group is JT. Real
Speaker 2: Muto and the potential for overpaying for him. I think
Speaker 2: the decline has commenced, and I, hey, there could be
Speaker 2: another twenty twenty three in the tank, but I ain't
Speaker 2: going to bet on it and pay forward. So if
Speaker 2: you're looking purely at name recognition, that could be a mistake.
Speaker 2: With real Muto.
Speaker 1: I would agree that guys like this who go earlier
Speaker 1: than they should based on name recognition, but if he
Speaker 1: starts the fall, I would be interested.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Sixteen through twenty is Gabriel Marino, a guy that you
Speaker 1: don't like at all, and he's somewhat chalk as Sean Murphy.
Speaker 1: So we'll go back to him in a minute. Jonah
Speaker 1: him up five slots, Ivan Herrera, Connor Wong who you're
Speaker 1: down three on which I totally get you. A terrible
Speaker 1: two thirds of the season a great April and May.
Speaker 1: But it's just what it was, just four point thirty
Speaker 1: babbit driven or something crazy like that. Tell me about
Speaker 1: Gabriel Marino, Well.
Speaker 2: I love the hit two, but is it ever going?
Speaker 2: Is the power ever going to catch up to it?
Speaker 2: That would be my concern. And when you look at
Speaker 2: the supporting cast around him as far as catchers, ye know,
Speaker 2: Jeffers is a twenty home run guy. I think Ruiz
Speaker 2: can be a twenty home run guy. Murphy's already hit twenty.
Speaker 2: I'm him. You're looking at you know, fifteen Ivan Herrera.
Speaker 2: You can you can spec based pick based on that
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season at Triple A Men Memphis. Now
Speaker 2: he's got the job. I just have trouble with Marino
Speaker 2: because I don't know if he's ever going to be
Speaker 2: more than ten to twelve home runs.
Speaker 1: If you look at the data, because I researched extensively, Gable,
Speaker 1: Marina Flanner hit that guy hit. There's no question. Chase
Speaker 1: rates with rates, strike ball, grace are all upper tier.
Speaker 1: He hits the ball pretty hard, he has no leverage
Speaker 1: in a swing. He's Mical Garcia all over again. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a guy that had a average exa Velossie of
Speaker 1: ninety miles an hour, which is that's that's a leap
Speaker 1: hit over ninety's that's what you want, not a leap.
Speaker 1: It's definitely above average. But he's got a launch angle
Speaker 1: last year of eight point eight degrees, which was double
Speaker 1: what it was in twenty twenty three. He needs to
Speaker 1: add a little bit more leverage to that swing. To me,
Speaker 1: I think then the power happens. But it's twenty four
Speaker 1: years old. It would seem like it's a good setup.
Speaker 1: Whether it happens or not, who knows.
Speaker 2: And it's not that I'm down on him, it's there
Speaker 2: are other catchers. Yeah, as important as the batting average
Speaker 2: category he is, you know, home runs an RBI's count
Speaker 2: two and I just haven't seen enough you get to,
Speaker 2: you know, from a power part to move him up.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, if he if he hits twenty home
Speaker 2: runs this year, he could be a top ten catcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's his hit tool would suggest that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree. I mean we can always tucking theory,
Speaker 1: but until the guys actually do it, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: still just that theory. Sean Murphy, you've been down on
Speaker 1: him for quite a while and think you he's going
Speaker 1: to lose playing time to your number. Oh forgot, where
Speaker 1: did you put Carter Jensen yet? Drake Baldwin, that's right,
Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin.
Speaker 2: He should be in the thirties. Thirties somewhere, Yeah, thirty five? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: my narrative sums up my thoughts to a tea. The
Speaker 2: sound that you that you're hearing is Drake Baldwin pulling
Speaker 2: into the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Wow. So Drake Baldwin does not have a driver. That's
Speaker 1: what you're saying. He's not He's not special enough to
Speaker 1: have a driver. That's very true. I think I agree
Speaker 1: with it, and I think Sean Murphy it's it's time
Speaker 1: to step it up because what he did last season
Speaker 1: was not good.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, and I don't I don't believe he's
Speaker 2: going to I think Drake Baldwin could be the number
Speaker 2: one catcher in Atlanta heading into twenty twenty six, if
Speaker 2: not sooner.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he should be one of my catchers. Then
Speaker 1: that I that I grab So, so let's see Sean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see Sean Murphy. What am I looking at here?
Speaker 1: It's good behind the plate. Yeah, walks a lot, good
Speaker 1: bad speed. Why isn't he why is he producing tend
Speaker 1: home runs last season? Come on, what's what's up with that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's not obvious what's going on.
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, what is obvious is that the NFBC.
Speaker 2: For me, we're pretty much in agreement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Slid Coming to number twenty
Speaker 1: one is let's take a break here. Just yeah, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we're gonna do the next
Speaker 1: ten and then we'll start to wrap it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good. Number twenty one is Bow Nailor, then Patrick Bailey,
Speaker 1: then Hunter Goodman, Joey Bart, Danny Janssen, Lewis Compensano, who
Speaker 1: broke my heart last year, Corey Lee. Tim loves himself
Speaker 1: from Corey Lee, so to ask him about that? Many
Speaker 1: Indie Rodriguez coming in at twenty eight, Travis Darnault and
Speaker 1: Alejandra Kirk. Tim hates Alejandra Kirk and I get it.
Speaker 1: It's down nine from where he's going in the NFBC.
Speaker 1: Let's where do we start here? Joey Bart, you're not
Speaker 1: a believer.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not. He strikes out too much. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's going to hit twenty home runs if he plays
Speaker 2: as the number one catcher. But he's struck out seventy
Speaker 2: three times in two hundred and fifty three at bats. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Last year he posted a two sixty five batting average.
Speaker 2: I'll take the under on that two sixty five. Heading
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five, I think we could see Mendoza
Speaker 2: lign type batting average there.
Speaker 1: You could. It's actually good to see that he might
Speaker 1: have a career though, because yes it is. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's power there, but the batting average, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure bow Nailor I was dead wrong on him.
Speaker 1: I mean he just when he got to the major
Speaker 1: leagues that the game was too fast for him. Tommy
Speaker 1: and the speed disappeared. The athleticism has gone gone away.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that now Josh Naylor is no
Speaker 1: longer in Cleveland, maybe bow Naylor will explode. I don't
Speaker 1: know what are your thinking? What's your thinking here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much the same as yours. I think what
Speaker 2: we have is a situation where twenty twenty five could
Speaker 2: prove to be a defining year for Naylor. I think
Speaker 2: he's still young enough that we can potentially see what
Speaker 2: we thought we would. But it's got to be. It's
Speaker 2: got to be this year. It's time. Who's either got
Speaker 2: to step it up or he's going to be you
Speaker 2: know that catcher you grab in twenty team leagues as
Speaker 2: your number two Austin Hedges Like.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, that's like as particularly defensively. Let's see. Uh
Speaker 1: he's with the Guardians. Who's who's chomping at the bit
Speaker 1: there for the Guardians? Who's the number two catcher Austin Hedges?
Speaker 2: See I thought they did something with Hedges.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Austin Hedges hit one fifty two last year. That
Speaker 1: was only one hundred and forty six played appearances. But
Speaker 1: he's he is a definition of a second catcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the old school defensive catcher. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That's who Austin had you.
Speaker 1: Some bow nail or. They've given the job the bow nailer.
Speaker 1: It's yours. Make it happen. That's what they've said to him.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what they have said. And he's got
Speaker 2: to take the bull by the horns and get her done.
Speaker 1: You heard it from the great Tim McCloud. Get her done,
Speaker 1: Get her done compensan and you like him a little
Speaker 1: bit more than the NFBC. What's see what timbro compissant?
Speaker 1: A second half struggles resulted in the motion. Yes he did, Yes,
Speaker 1: but he enters twenty twenty five. Is the number one
Speaker 1: catcher for the Padres as a late number two pick.
Speaker 1: The potential to perform his late round draft slot is intriguing.
Speaker 1: Why he stuck the second half?
Speaker 2: Yes, but is his career going to be defined by
Speaker 2: the first half or the second half? How much potential
Speaker 2: is there? What could we see with Cap and Santa? Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I Hey, obviously the Podrey still believe because they didn't
Speaker 2: go out and get anybody. Okay, he's going to get
Speaker 2: the offer tunity And if you look at Campnsana's overall
Speaker 2: numbers last year, okay, they're not that bad considering in
Speaker 2: the second half he basically when he did show up,
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't good. Wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't good? He makes great contact. You know where he's bad.
Speaker 1: Look at his defensive skills behind the plate, six percentile
Speaker 1: on blocks above average, second percent tient, framing pop times
Speaker 1: thirty eight percentime. He's a terrible defensive catcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's twenty six last year, eight homers and forty
Speaker 2: rbpis okay, well, and that's considering he didn't play basically
Speaker 2: from the beginning of augusta on and he was in
Speaker 2: the minors the second week of September.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm just intrigued by the fact that I think you
Speaker 2: could have a yeah, twelve home run, fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: five RBI catcher as a number two that works. I'm
Speaker 2: not ready to give up the ghosts yet. On Luis Caffasana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, doesn't hit the ball all that hard,
Speaker 1: but it could be ten. I mean, two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy seven at bats with eight home runs give them
Speaker 1: another eighty. You should be able to hit twelve something
Speaker 1: like that. Ten to twelve. That's about what the data suggest.
Speaker 2: Which could put him up in the Connor Wong, bow Naylor,
Speaker 2: Patrick Bailey and that group of catchers.
Speaker 1: Right, he has expected batting averages two forty two, so
Speaker 1: there's some there's fifteen points higher than what his regular
Speaker 1: what his traditional batting average was. But yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 1: Lewis compack.
Speaker 2: Hunter Goodman intrigues me.
Speaker 1: Where's Hunter Goodman? Did did I mention.
Speaker 2: Him a couple of spots.
Speaker 1: Oh, there he is, Yeah, there's Hunter Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Hey, he's going to swing and miss a ton,
Speaker 2: but when he hits it, it goes a long way.
Speaker 2: You want to toss a dart at twenty five home runs?
Speaker 2: If they toss it in his direction, I think he
Speaker 2: can do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to look at one of the things
Speaker 1: I was looking. I put the last year's ADP, not
Speaker 1: rank I should have put I guess I should have
Speaker 1: put rank, but I put ADP. Do I like ADP?
Speaker 1: Or should we have ranked there? What would you rather
Speaker 1: want to know? Where they ranked? Where they went in drafts?
Speaker 1: Your rank?
Speaker 2: H I like the format as it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the guys that really have popped up is
Speaker 1: on your yan your dias up fifty splots. Logan of
Speaker 1: Hoppy wasn't because he was hurt last year, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't even ranked. Shane Shane lang Lears is up one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty slots. JT No, Shane lang Lears is
Speaker 1: down one hundred and twenty size. I'm sorry he he
Speaker 1: fell huge last year. Huh you see that? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry he's up He's one twenty three this year.
Speaker 1: Last year was two sixty three. This year Jasamozo was
Speaker 1: was one thirty two last year seventy three. So he's
Speaker 1: definitely dropped. Yeah, so interesting to see where some of
Speaker 1: these guys went last year. All right, let's let's just
Speaker 1: bop around, Okay. No love for Alejandra Kirk. I get that.
Speaker 1: Anybody from thirty one through fifty that you want to
Speaker 1: bring to our attention, maybe Carter Jensen.
Speaker 2: Carter Jensen would be one, Drake Baldwin would be another,
Speaker 2: Augustin Ramirez would be another, and Kyle Teal all the kids,
Speaker 2: there's some kids in there. Yeah, Adulton rushing, Uh, I
Speaker 2: should have dropped him. I should have dropped him further
Speaker 2: than they did.
Speaker 1: It's tough to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not a big fan of gl Amya
Speaker 2: either in Chicago with the Cubs. But again, I think
Speaker 2: it's the kids. Teal is close, Ramirez is close in Miami,
Speaker 2: Baldwin is close. Moving further down. Carter Jensen, I think
Speaker 2: I have him at at fifty. I don't think he's.
Speaker 1: As my guy is. Moys's Ballastero's That's who I'm very
Speaker 1: intrigued about coming into this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I moved him down a little bit. I
Speaker 2: had him in my first goal round. I actually had
Speaker 2: him up in the thirties. But with what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: coming out of Chicago and the Cubs, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, Originally I was looking at Miguel Amaya right
Speaker 2: as being the catcher or but why did they bring
Speaker 2: in Carson Kelly. Maybe I'm overthinking this one, but bringing
Speaker 2: in Carson Kelly on a short term deal to me
Speaker 2: that maybe they're not as high on not that they're
Speaker 2: not as high, they just want to give him another
Speaker 2: year in the minors. So that's why I moved out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's fair because he is very, very young,
Speaker 1: but he ate it up the Triple A last season
Speaker 1: and was one of the best performers in all of
Speaker 1: the minor leagues last year. So played in the Fall League.
Speaker 2: Didn't do great.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he did all that great, but I
Speaker 1: mean he looked good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah he looked good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you know, I think maybe he was
Speaker 1: a little tired. But Carson Kelly is your back up
Speaker 1: to mgl Amaya. If you don't believe in migl Amaya.
Speaker 1: Is there much of a distance between Carson, Kelly and
Speaker 1: the Miglamya.
Speaker 2: Probably not except for the opportunity factor. They didn't bring
Speaker 2: him in. They're not, They're they're paying him something to
Speaker 2: be there, right, So that pushes I think bias Tero's
Speaker 2: down a little bit, which is basically the way I
Speaker 2: think I have them ranked, Yeah, thirty six and Kelly
Speaker 2: at forty four and Bias Stereos at forty eight.
Speaker 1: David Fry was very good last season, but as you report,
Speaker 1: he's not expected till mid mid season Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1: That's that's really disappointing because I think it would have
Speaker 1: gone a lot higher if not.
Speaker 2: I think so as well. And I think that's you know,
Speaker 2: the NFBC folk have him at thirty four, Well, you're
Speaker 2: only going to get half a season. I moved him
Speaker 2: to forty seven. But again, if you if you have
Speaker 2: an IL, which the NFBC doesn't, if you have an
Speaker 2: IL in your league, gay move Fry up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Hit him up in your mind, as you know, you
Speaker 2: can move them to your IL and away you go
Speaker 2: right sit on him for sitting on him for a
Speaker 2: few months.
Speaker 1: Let's talk pirates. We talked about Joey bart a little
Speaker 1: bit sitting behind Joey bart Is, Jason Delay and then
Speaker 1: coming back as Indian Rodriguez and then Henry Davis. First
Speaker 1: of all, first question is is Henry Davis having career
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to pay to find out.
Speaker 1: Does Indy Rodriguez spend considerable time in Pittsburgh this year?
Speaker 2: I believe so? Yes, so I who really liked what
Speaker 2: Rodriguez did in you know, his age twenty two and
Speaker 2: twenty three seasons. Okay, he's supposedly going to be healthy.
Speaker 2: I could see very quickly Indy Rodriguez being the number
Speaker 2: one catcher in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed Bart's demoted or Jason Delay is what do you
Speaker 1: think happens there?
Speaker 2: I think I think a job share between Rodriguez and Barton.
Speaker 2: Eventually Bart's free swinging high strikeout ways. Then you're looking
Speaker 2: at the other two guys moving into a backup situation
Speaker 2: to Andy Rodrigue's a lot of moving parts and a
Speaker 2: lot of will depend on how Indy Rodriguez plays this spring,
Speaker 2: but I think that's one possible scenario that could they could.
Speaker 1: You know, he's coming back from Tommy John. So I
Speaker 1: believe it's Davy John, right, So, but Henry Davis is
Speaker 1: the one that's that's a little disconcerting. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're a Dynas league ownered half Henry Davis, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's getting buried on this step chart again, buried,
Speaker 1: not not with Will Smith in front of him, but
Speaker 1: still buried.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, that's that's I I know where to brag
Speaker 2: about some of the trades we've made, but I treated
Speaker 2: Henry Davis straight up for Brent ran Doyle. I'm rather
Speaker 2: happy with that deal.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well that's really good. Good for you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I got lucky at the right time.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, that's that's what it's all about. Tell me
Speaker 1: sake a final break, come back, and let's wrap up catcher.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, Tim, I got the hard questions now, Okay,
Speaker 1: which player not in the top ten has a chance
Speaker 1: to emerge there? This? Uh this after the after the season. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't give me number eleven.
Speaker 2: No, I no, I'm not. I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna do something a little a
Speaker 2: little bolder.
Speaker 1: I'm twelve.
Speaker 2: No, I'm hell, you know me so well, don't you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Austin Walls.
Speaker 1: Wow. Really yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think if he can get the home
Speaker 2: run totals up into the twenty range, I could see
Speaker 2: him hitting seventy seventy five, are we? I like Austin
Speaker 2: Walls a lot. I think he could make a significant
Speaker 2: move up this year. I think this will be the
Speaker 2: year that he does it.
Speaker 1: If he does, oh that's that's impressive. Next question for
Speaker 1: you is which top ten player will not be there
Speaker 1: next season?
Speaker 2: Okay, now this is where you get the tim you expected.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Wilson Conturers.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me another one.
Speaker 2: And I got the answer I expected.
Speaker 1: Can be a surprising one.
Speaker 2: A surprising one, cal rally.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: What happens if he bats one ninety and his home
Speaker 2: runs fall off to twenty you know, twenty home run
Speaker 2: sixty RBIs that gets some other the top ten in
Speaker 2: a hurry, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one year it's going to be sal Perez. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's twenty twenty five, but one year
Speaker 1: it's going to be sal Perez. It's gonna the time
Speaker 1: is going to catch up to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got what ten consecutive seasons twenty or more
Speaker 2: home runs. Yeah, at some point in time it's it's
Speaker 2: all going to it's all going to come crashing. But
Speaker 2: I think he's got another twenty low twenty, mid load
Speaker 2: to mid twenty home home runs eighty to one hundred
Speaker 2: or hey, Elson, you got that Bobby Whit guy in
Speaker 2: front of end the order, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: It sure does. But I mean he turns twenty thirty
Speaker 1: five in May.
Speaker 2: Yep, Catcher, I'm gonna Catcher's age better than second basement.
Speaker 2: There's ateresting question.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They probably don't. Salperez might be an exception.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and again, Salperez, I think will start uh
Speaker 2: seeing more and more time despite his defensive pros. I
Speaker 2: think he'll see more time at first base moving forward,
Speaker 2: which I think bodes well for Jensen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't vode well for Vimp is a
Speaker 1: pretty good base so it's gonna be interesting to how
Speaker 1: they square that square that round peg. Okay, give me
Speaker 1: a couple of sleepers. I think he already did, but
Speaker 1: why don't you reiterate them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of sleepers when you when you start
Speaker 2: looking at round fourteen to sixteen, I got a man
Speaker 2: crush on caber Ruiz I have for a long time.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to give it up. Ruiz would be
Speaker 2: one that I think could outperform his current two O
Speaker 2: seven adp Ivan Herrera is very very interesting. Okay, moving
Speaker 2: into the full time role in Saint Louis. But again,
Speaker 2: if I'm looking at focusing on the catchers and the
Speaker 2: big upside, there are so many kids chomping at the bit.
Speaker 2: Pick one, you know, Baldwin. Yeah, I'd say rushing, but
Speaker 2: in la Hey, rushing gets traded. Yeah, Augustin Ramirez, Kyle Teel, Okay,
Speaker 2: go down, Biasteros Okay, Hey, Sam Vassello Okay, he's sitting
Speaker 2: there at fifty two right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're just named naming names. I want
Speaker 1: to give me your top two.
Speaker 2: Guys, Cabert Ruiz and Drake Baldwin.
Speaker 1: Okay, you heard it from the great Tim McCloud.
Speaker 2: I saved it to everybody, everybody else.
Speaker 1: And and my thirty first sleeper is.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for, Tommy. I am the host,
Speaker 1: that's the hostess with the most is So yes, yes,
Speaker 1: are you avoiding drafting anybody?
Speaker 2: Yes, I when I when I look at this list,
Speaker 2: there's there's a couple of players that I am definitely
Speaker 2: definitely avoiding drafting. One would be JG. Real Muto unless
Speaker 2: by some chance he significantly falls. Okay. Uh, Sean murrh
Speaker 2: would be another one. I'm not going to touch him
Speaker 2: with a ten foot pole. And if you see Alejandra
Speaker 2: Kirk on any of my team's rich call nine one one,
Speaker 2: I've been kidnapped and I'm held for ransom. Okay, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's a shame because, uh, when I did my when
Speaker 1: I wrote my algorithms, he actually scored pretty high. And
Speaker 1: I had to look to a couple other things just
Speaker 1: to say the power is probably not really like I
Speaker 1: can hit for sure, and he's a good defender.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I watch almost all the Jay's games, okay,
Speaker 2: and it irritates me to know when to see him
Speaker 2: turning doubles into singles. It's I it just does you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think the hit tool is great, but
Speaker 2: I just think he's so badly out of shape.
Speaker 1: No, I just no, no, no, no air conditioning matters.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The one guy that I mean, maybe this is this
Speaker 1: is blasphemy. The guy that worries me is Adlie Rutchman.
Speaker 1: I mean I gonna pick I have to spend a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick on him. And I don't have an
Speaker 1: answer as to what happened in the second second half,
Speaker 1: and that bothers me.
Speaker 2: I I personally think he was tired.
Speaker 1: Well tell me you can get more sleep. I mean
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't have an answer, right.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, getting tired is not an answer. I mean
Speaker 1: that might be an answer, it's not a good answer.
Speaker 2: No, No, I when you look what you did the
Speaker 2: first half? Okay, what changing the second? I guess we
Speaker 2: have to you know, maybe that's that's something you can
Speaker 2: address him one year.
Speaker 1: Okay, put it on me. That takes takes some research.
Speaker 1: Try to figure out exactly what happened, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: big Sean, I'll try to figure out what happened.
Speaker 2: But you know, when you go from sixteen fifty nine,
Speaker 2: two seventy five to three twenty two oh seven, was
Speaker 2: he hurt? Was?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I just think he's too talented, you know, Am I
Speaker 2: gonna project his second half?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think he could be a six forty two ten type.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I just can't. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened, but I don't think we'll see a repeat
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Well, here here's I'm gonna add something else to it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the one thing that's always bugged me with his profile,
Speaker 1: he doesn't hit the ball hard. He never has. He's
Speaker 1: got thirteenth percentile on batspeed, twenty ninth percent on average
Speaker 1: excevellasi just like I forgot that we were talking about. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's got this incredible square op ate.
Speaker 2: That just here.
Speaker 1: Oh HOPI gets this. He's the ability to kind of
Speaker 1: control the bat and make it happen and give me
Speaker 1: the guy like William Contrere's that just hits the ball
Speaker 1: really hard. That to me is sustainable power that you
Speaker 1: can project that power. The guy that's getting it because
Speaker 1: he's got a really good swing and really good eye
Speaker 1: hand coordination. That gets off a little bit, you might
Speaker 1: have you might have the answer why his second half
Speaker 1: went went south like it did. That's what bothers me
Speaker 1: about Adlie Rutchman.
Speaker 2: And it's fair. I don't have any problems with those concerns.
Speaker 2: I just think there's too much talent there to repeat
Speaker 2: that second half and maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, the talent is there because you see it. You
Speaker 1: see it in a square up rate eighty seven percentile
Speaker 1: means that he's he can hit the ball and get
Speaker 1: the maximum leverage out of the batsman that he is.
Speaker 1: That is definitely skill and talent. Is it repeatable long term?
Speaker 1: That's what we don't know. We and Contrari's should be
Speaker 1: able to run into twenty to twenty five home runs
Speaker 1: with his eyes closed. He's got that much power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his spot in the batting order and the
Speaker 2: supporting cast guarantee him the RBI's run scored. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: whole package falls into place very nicely, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: And Rutchman is a little bit it's more of a
Speaker 1: it's almost like a power pitch versus a finesse pitcher.
Speaker 1: William Contreras is a power hitter, Aby Richman is a
Speaker 1: finesse player. I mean he's using all kinds of other
Speaker 1: skills as opposed to just mustling through stuff. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, got me, it's gonna be a little worried there.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sure if you looked at the results
Speaker 2: coming out of Baltimore for him, and let's let's let's
Speaker 2: throw a top ten pick in there with him. The
Speaker 2: second half was not good the gun or was it.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was not as good. It was
Speaker 1: still it is because his first half was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Baltimore didn't look great in the second half
Speaker 2: as a team, did they They did not. Anthony Anthony
Speaker 2: Centander is the one that powered them to They're finished pretty.
Speaker 1: Well, totally. I totally agree with you. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Gunner Henderson, man, it all looked really, really good. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's take a look at let's take a look
Speaker 1: at his splits here. Yeah, to eighty six, two seventy three,
Speaker 1: not bad. It's the power that he lost twenty eight
Speaker 1: to nine, so the power kind of went around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1: But he hits the ball really hard. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly what happened there.
Speaker 2: But uh, I'm believing blaming on the wall and they're
Speaker 2: fixing it this year, right now.
Speaker 1: That's true. You know again, I talked about me kind
Speaker 1: of out smarting myself. Sometimes you wonder if the Orioles
Speaker 1: are out smarting themselves. I mean, they're clearly a smart
Speaker 1: organization and really know what they're doing. But sometimes you
Speaker 1: can get too clever.
Speaker 2: Well, they need a picture, Yeah, go get one, Go
Speaker 2: get one. Yeah, seems rather simple to me. But then again, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm living in a hundred in the host at minus
Speaker 2: twenty five today one hundred nowhere, So who's smart.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. Let's give you a insight on.
Speaker 1: Tell me what's what's for dinner? Good good, first of all,
Speaker 1: good show, great stuff on the catch if you got
Speaker 1: like this, first base I believe is next week and
Speaker 1: then the other ones will fall after that. But great
Speaker 1: stuff to me.
Speaker 2: Thanks rich. I had a lot of fun doing it,
Speaker 2: even though it was long, slow and laborious.
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right, all right, tell me
Speaker 1: what's for dinner? And I gotta get you out here
Speaker 1: because I'm about to lose power.
Speaker 2: So yes, okay. For dinner tonight, we're having a and
Speaker 2: it was handcut by the butcher yesterday off of a
Speaker 2: nice sirloin. The we're having uh, a stir fry with
Speaker 2: the cauliflower and thinly sliced surloin.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're having a vegetable.
Speaker 2: Well, it's in the dish. It doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: Because this is not a cloud.
Speaker 2: I know. I actually I'm not calling you.
Speaker 1: Actually okay, oh broccoli, I thought you cauliflower.
Speaker 2: They're okay broccoli.
Speaker 1: First of all, cauliflower is not green. Cauliflower is white. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that sounds great except for the I'm not a
Speaker 1: big I'm not a big friend of the broccoli. So, uh,
Speaker 1: not a big friend of the broccoli. But we're having.
Speaker 2: My first week of New Year's resolution or whatever.
Speaker 1: We've been trying to eat healthy this week. I mean
Speaker 1: we both just just overdid it since Thanksgiving. It's just
Speaker 1: but uh oh, Timmy said, I have no idea what's
Speaker 1: for dinner. But last yesterday for lunch, we went up
Speaker 1: to Wilmington, which is a really cool historic town and
Speaker 1: we take a lot of tours and stuff up there,
Speaker 1: and so we usually we went to some friends. We
Speaker 1: did like an hour and a half tour of an
Speaker 1: old Antebellum mansion that was fun, and then we went
Speaker 1: to lunch at this place called the Copper Penny. It's
Speaker 1: just like a normal sandwich sandwich place, like a bar
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It was, but it was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the menu and of course Lorie's
Speaker 1: got is eating salads and I saw this something called
Speaker 1: smoke tomato soup, and I go, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, but it sounds great. I can eat it.
Speaker 1: So I had it, Timmy. I'm telling you, this soup
Speaker 1: was the best soup I'd ever eaten in my life.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: We got We enjoyed a barbecue based it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: kick to it. It had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: smoky taste to it. I don't know how they made it,
Speaker 1: but man, it didn't taste much like tomato soup to me.
Speaker 1: It just it tasted great. And so we bought some
Speaker 1: extra bring homes. So that's we're eating it up again tonight.
Speaker 1: So in fact, I'll be back up in Wilmington tomorrow
Speaker 1: getting my car's service and I might stop by and
Speaker 1: get some more soup. I left it that much.
Speaker 2: So it's fascinating when you you're when you're traveling and
Speaker 2: you and you run into I ran into in Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: of all places you would think barbecue steak. I ran
Speaker 2: into an Italian restaurant and I can't remember what the
Speaker 2: community was. I got marked down somewhere I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: back there. An Italian restaurant. They make all their own noodles,
Speaker 2: all her own sauces, absolutely everything in Oklahoma, Okay, And
Speaker 2: she was probably one of the best Italian meals I've
Speaker 2: ever had in my life. And I just sort of
Speaker 2: stumbled into the place. And sometimes these restaurants you stumbled
Speaker 2: into in your travels. She can find some really really
Speaker 2: excellent eateries, can't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Far be it from me to correct the great
Speaker 1: Tim McCleod. But as a resident of New Jersey for
Speaker 1: the last twenty five maybe thirty years, living with Italians everywhere,
Speaker 1: they're not noodles. It's pasta. Uh you call it pasta.
Speaker 1: You do not call it noodles. Or Chinese restaurants have noodles.
Speaker 1: Italian Italian joints have pasta. Doesn't matter if it looks
Speaker 1: like a noodle or not exactly. So all of our
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey friends I have, I have duly
Speaker 1: corrected the great to McLeod.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I will I will file a lot away
Speaker 2: for future reference, especially when I'm in New Jersey, because
Speaker 2: I got skate.
Speaker 1: If you go to a if you go to an
Speaker 1: Italian joint, which you could throw a rock at any
Speaker 1: any corner New Jersey hit an Italian Joe. It's that prevalent.
Speaker 1: And you go in and ask for can I have
Speaker 1: some noodles? They're gonna look at you like they're gonna
Speaker 1: use the f work. That's all I'm gonna say, Get
Speaker 1: the f out of here. Yeah, what you say, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: timmy great stuff. My friend will be back next week
Speaker 1: and Tim and I hopefully will be recording on Friday,
Speaker 1: the National League West Prospects, so you get to look
Speaker 1: forward to that. So timmy great stuff and I'll see
Speaker 1: you next week.
Speaker 2: Sounds good. Be safe, be well, and enjoy that tomato
Speaker 2: soupa