WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.680 Can a judge get arrested for upholding the law? Well, 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:07.480 you know what, they can, and they have been in Milwaukee. 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:10.080 And to fill this in, John Roda Bush is going 4 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:11.080 to give us the story. 5 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.199 Well, uh, The summary from the article says, in a 6 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:15.839 criminal complaints. 7 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:20.879 My fault because this is so you know, you're good 8 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:25.199 for your intro. And then I'm just gonna I mean, 9 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:26.600 in a second, I'm gonna. 10 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.519 Start three again. So they have a cute you need 11 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:29.960 to do that. 12 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:31.000 I'm the one editing it. 13 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.399 You don't need, okay, because because I was told to 14 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:35.399 do that back in the day. That was something that 15 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:36.240 I was told to do. 16 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.799 So yeah, okay, yeah, I didn't mean to sound as snappy. 17 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.880 That everybody's got there. Everybody's got their process, man, and 18 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:45.960 I just you know, that was the process. And if 19 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:47.479 you want to change it, that's cool with me. 20 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:48.280 That's yeah. 21 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:49.719 I guess I can just toss it up. Now, I'll 22 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:51.439 toss this up and then whenever you're ready, John, you 23 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:53.280 can start talking and I will cut it. I'm going 24 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:55.759 to make a note of the time anyway, Okay. 25 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:00.799 All right. The summary from the article in a criminal 26 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.799 complaint the US Justice Department said Hannah Dugan, a Milwaukee 27 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:09.040 County Circuit judge, hindered the immigration agents who showed up 28 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:13.400 to arrest a man without a judicial warrant outside her 29 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.959 courtroom on April eighteenth, and that she tried to help 30 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.480 him evade arrest by allowing him to exit through a 31 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:24.799 jewelry door. Agents arrested the man, Eduardo Flores Ruis, outside 32 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.879 the courthouse after he left with his lawyer. Interestingly, she 33 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.120 was within her authority to not allow compliance with a 34 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.120 non judicial warrant, which are invalid under the constitution. So 35 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.560 was she just doing her job to protect somebody's rights? 36 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:46.120 And what is happening to our institutions? Let's discuss this, Kelly. 37 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.079 Yeah, I think it is something worthy of discussion. There 38 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:51.920 is this is you know, puts a lot of things 39 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:56.000 into question. Jason, let's go to you. Does this case 40 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.400 remind you of anything else? Yeah? 41 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:01.879 Man, Like my partner as a clinician, you know, and 42 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:08.280 they work with homicidal suicidal populations, do intensive outpatient and 43 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.400 patient stuff, and a lot of the patients they see 44 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:19.319 are part of the LGBTQ community. Now, what my partner's 45 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.080 brought up is, you know, we're here, We're here in Texas. 46 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.039 What my partner's brought up is, you know, all this 47 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.639 crap going on right now with Paxton and Abbott and 48 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.439 all the you know lawsuits against them by p FLAG 49 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.439 for gender affirming care and supposed to give up information 50 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:36.319 and not treat people. And my partner made a good 51 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.759 point is that how can they ask me to not 52 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.479 treat people whenever I took an oath to do no harm? 53 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:42.960 Right. 54 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:47.039 So, if we take this judge and it seems like 55 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.919 this judge actually takes their job serious as opposed to 56 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.639 being incentivized by capital gains or by you know, motives 57 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.680 or political prowess or YadA YadA, seems like the judges 58 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.639 you know, actually wants to do their job properly and 59 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:04.120 follow law. I think this judge is completely in their 60 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.439 right to just follow law. It makes no statement on 61 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.319 their political affiliation. It makes no statement on if they 62 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.000 even thought that guy was a decent per. That guy 63 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.599 could have been a piece of garbage human being. That's 64 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.919 not the argument. The argument is are we following the 65 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.719 law and are we doing and applying it across the 66 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.479 board and following it or are we violating it whenever 67 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.400 we see it? When it seems fitter we deem it 68 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:29.120 to be. Hey, it's just yet convenient. So I backed 69 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:34.199 the judge's decision to follow the law and do the 70 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.879 thing that she took an oath to do. I think 71 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:44.319 anything otherwise would be morally corrupt and honorable, yeah, and dishonorable, 72 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.120 and would be spitting in the face of the loose 73 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.960 foundation that we have to uphold justice and freedom and 74 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:56.280 liberties and our interesting nation. So that's kind of how 75 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:57.319 I feel about it, man. 76 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.960 I think this judge really showed integrity, and I've alla 77 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.840 he said that if I ever win the lottery, the 78 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.800 first thing I'm going to buy is a judge, and 79 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.919 this is the kind of judge I want to buy one. 80 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:14.400 That's good. Like the never mind, John, you can't. 81 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:23.319 Say that I made sure. This is difficult to talk about, 82 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.040 you know, because of the amount of because it does 83 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:32.040 stem from political sided just campaigns right now, right, Yeah. 84 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.480 The narrative is what they're trying to do with. 85 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.920 This related to a specific group. 86 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.680 ELI, what kind of legal team that does the judge 87 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.360 have backing your up in this case? 88 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:44.319 That was kind of like the first thing I went 89 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.279 to because I was like, my thought was like can 90 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.959 you imagine being the prosecutor that has to try to 91 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.600 convict somebody who is like, like the defendant is. 92 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.000 A judge, is a judge for a lawyer? 93 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:00.720 Right? Of course, she she's fully completely capable of whatever herself, 94 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.759 but she decided to enlist some help, so she leading 95 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:07.879 the team. This isn't the entirety of it, but she 96 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:13.120 has former US Attorney Stephen Biscopic and former US Solicitor 97 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.279 General Paul Clement. I'm not familiar with their careers at all, 98 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.839 except that Judge Dugan got her law degree in nineteen 99 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:24.160 eighty seven and was actually the president of the Milwaukee 100 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.040 Bar Association for a year starting in nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, 101 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:34.600 and then so Biscupic has been practicing law since eighty nine, 102 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.759 and Clement got his Juris Doctor from Harvard in nineteen 103 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:43.000 ninety two. The prosecution team, on the other hand, I 104 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.800 had the name of it, and I don't remember. I 105 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.800 didn't write it down. I thought I did. I apologize. 106 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:54.680 But the prosecutor that is leading the prosecution got his 107 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.519 law degree in twenty nineteen, so this, of course, he 108 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.800 has six years of experience. That's more like I'm not 109 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.199 disparaging his legal experience or knowledge, because I've of course 110 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.360 been no place to do that. But he's going up 111 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.240 against Appeal Team six here, and they just doesn't seem 112 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.199 like now there's there is some more weight and a 113 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.319 little bit more like experience on the prosecution team as well. 114 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.519 Like I just didn't write those names down, unfortunately, I 115 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:22.279 was focused on Judge Dougan. But I'm kind of I'm 116 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.839 really actually interested like it, in so far as one 117 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.199 can be interested in court cases. I'm kind of interested 118 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:29.439 in seeing how this goes. 119 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.759 Yeah, I am too this, Yeah, I definitely want to 120 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.279 keep I hope we'd follow up on this in the future. 121 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.240 On the on the show, John, what was Dugan's main 122 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.800 reason for standing in the way of the federal agents? 123 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.920 And you think number one it was legal and two moral. 124 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.040 Well, the main reason was that they did not have 125 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:53.399 a warrant signed by a magistrate or judge listing specifically 126 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.000 who they have to You know, on a warrant, you 127 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.079 have to have the name of the person you're going 128 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.279 to arrest. If you're looking for anything in their house 129 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.639 or something that has to be listed specifically what you're 130 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.279 there to get. You can't do anything other than what's 131 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.600 on the warrant. But these warrants are just warrants that 132 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:14.720 Homeland Security made up, their imaginary they made them up, 133 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.319 and they're just pieces of paper that they can show 134 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:18.360 somebody saying, I have a warrant for your arrest. But 135 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:20.920 it's not because it's not signed by judge about this, 136 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.160 it's not done by a magistral warrant. It's just it's 137 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.959 not an official warrant. It's and and so you know this. 138 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.519 Is I just want to break into this. 139 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.519 I just want to break in for one moment. Do 140 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.600 you know when the last time they use these these 141 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.639 non judicial warrants to round people up? 142 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.839 Oh? Yeah, that would be the Japanese Internment. 143 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:44.399 War, Yes, the Japanese Internment the World War Two. This 144 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.720 is exactly what we're doing. One of the greatest embarrassments 145 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.839 in human history, and we're repeating it. So I'm just 146 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.759 sorry to cut you off, John, go ahead. 147 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.680 Oh no, I was going to bring that up anyway 148 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:59.399 later on, but yeah, yeah, well, I'm glad. I just 149 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.720 wanted to say that, you know, these these pseudo warrants 150 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.439 are totally invalid. You can't use them. They can pretend 151 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.759 to use them, and they're allowed to lie. All law 152 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.839 enforcement officials are allowed to lie, to con you into 153 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.720 things that you don't know that you don't want to do, 154 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.720 you know. So, like they'll sit you down and interrogate 155 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:20.000 you for sixteen hours. They can't do that if you 156 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.079 want to leave, you say, you know, am I under arrest. 157 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.480 If you're under arrest, they have to give you food 158 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.040 and water, you know, like that. If they don't have 159 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.040 enough to arrest you, they can't keep you, you know. 160 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.840 So it's like all these constitutional things have to go. 161 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.639 But it didn't matter. In the Japanese FDR, the president 162 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.120 at the time signed an executive order to round up 163 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.679 all the Japanese citizens these are citizens of the United 164 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.240 States and put them in internment camps. They didn't even 165 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.320 get a chance to settle their affairs. Some of them 166 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.480 were really lucky. They had a neighbor, a white neighbor 167 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.519 or something, who would run their farm for them while 168 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.159 they're interred for the however long they were going to 169 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:03.919 be interred, and they kept their farms. But people had 170 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.360 mortgages and houses they were foreclosed on. They they lost 171 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.399 their house, They lost everything they owned that was in it. 172 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:14.120 Everything was gone, and they did that because the narratives said, 173 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.840 Japanese people are evil, so we got to get them 174 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.960 so they won't be spies for the Empire of Japan. 175 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.279 These were US citizens. They probably the US government than 176 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.480 the American citizens. Do you know other exeriances do. But 177 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.879 that's and that happened the whole war. They were they 178 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.440 were stuck there. They couldn't make any money, they couldn't 179 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.879 run their businesses, they couldn't they couldn't do anything. Some 180 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:36.840 of them were really lucky if they were well connected, 181 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.360 somebody covered for them while they were gone. Most of 182 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.480 those doing far between they had one. Yeah, but that's 183 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.639 the same sort of thing they're doing now. And that's 184 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:45.600 a mistake. 185 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:47.759 This is what I mean. This was something that we 186 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.799 that we know was unlawful. The courts ruled that was 187 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.519 unlawful afterwards, and we are now doing the same exact 188 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:00.360 same thing, and and and just just like back then, 189 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.720 there aren't a lot of people well back then, nobody 190 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:05.879 was standing up. But today there aren't a lot of 191 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.799 people who are standing up to say something because because 192 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:12.960 because in the current climate, I think people are afraid 193 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.120 to say something in support of somebody like this judge 194 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.639 lest they find themselves in an El Salvador in prison 195 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:20.759 for the next ten years. 196 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.360 Well take me, I'm good, I protest. I'm sorry. I'm 197 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:24.960 not gonna let this. 198 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.639 I don't know that much to lose, man, right, I mean, 199 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:34.080 I know Thoms let alone ten years, so I'm not 200 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:35.360 going to suffer too much. 201 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.399 But luckily to be overquick for you man. 202 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.080 Yeah right, probably me too. 203 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.039 That reality is reality, it is. 204 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:44.039 Yeah. 205 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.960 So anyway, so you know, I am involved in doing 206 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:50.320 some protesting. So that's and I can't tell anybody else 207 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.519 to do they you use your own conscience. But yeah, 208 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.799 I swore an oath to the Constitution myself, so I 209 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:59.000 take that seriously, even if they don't. 210 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.799 Eli, do you think I was putting policy over people 211 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:02.360 in this case? 212 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.799 Yeah, obviously. And is that so it's it's because of 213 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.600 the directives they've received, right, And it's far from the 214 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.440 worst example, but it is. It is just another example 215 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.279 of them doing that exact thing. I think it's pretty 216 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:19.200 clear that the focus the interest of these directives is 217 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:23.200 that we demonstrate that they are working, not that they work. 218 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.799 It doesn't matter whether they are like effective and achieving. 219 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:32.480 What is actually like a coherent and valid and productive 220 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.879 immigration policy. It matters that X number of people get deported, 221 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.200 because if X number of people get deported, then wow, 222 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:46.360 this new immigration plan did so much to affect illegal immigration, 223 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.480 whether that's really the case or not. So what actually 224 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.919 does concern me though about this particular case is that 225 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.200 even if, like we said before, even if the judge 226 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.759 and her and her team are her defense team are 227 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:04.320 perfectly capable of defending her, if if the prosecution is 228 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.559 not able to prove beyond a doubt that there was 229 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:11.559 that she broke any actual law, rather than or Ron Swanson, 230 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.720 like I have a permit, you know, written on a 231 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.480 piece of paper in a public park, like then that 232 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.799 may not necessarily matter, like it should absolutely, but like 233 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:26.480 I have concerns about like what's going to be decided anyway? 234 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.000 Will she just be made an example of? And uh, 235 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.759 I think that that's that's the scary part that we 236 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:33.960 need to know that we need to watch for, not 237 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.559 whether or not she is successful in her case, but 238 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.639 whether she should have been. 239 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.039 Well, yeah, that's one thing, but also you know, whatever, 240 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.519 she didn't break any laws. There's no law that says 241 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.600 you have to cooperate with an ice agent, you know. 242 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.519 So it's like and she had a reason to chew 243 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:50.720 them away, right. 244 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.120 I'm sure she has like as far as making like 245 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.720 legally sound decisions, she has more information to integrate than 246 00:12:58.840 --> 00:12:59.919 than I do, of course. 247 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.759 Yeah. But that's what I'm saying is that the whole 248 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:07.440 idea that this is a sound bite, right, This is 249 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.960 just a message to the judicial system saying you're at 250 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:17.240 risk too. This is totalitarian, authoritarian usurption of the judicial branch. 251 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:17.720 Yep. 252 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:21.559 And there was somebody said recently that there have been 253 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.440 administrative threats made even to the Supreme Court. So it's like, 254 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.960 at this point we are in a major constitutional crisis, 255 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.320 and that's what they wanted to engineer. 256 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.320 That's, you know, strangely enough, John, in my notes for 257 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.480 this segment, I wrote that what I thought was the 258 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.080 biggest red flag in this whole story, And I don't 259 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.559 know if anybody else noticed it, but it was the 260 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:53.600 actual actual constitution bending statement to show you that the 261 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:58.679 leader of the Justice Department currently is either incredibly evil 262 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:04.080 or just plane fucking stupid. And what she said was 263 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.759 no one, least of all a judge should obstruct law 264 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:15.120 enforcement operations. Now, if a law a law enforcement operation 265 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.080 isn't legal. That's exactly what a judge's job is. That 266 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.879 is literally the judgment. 267 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.120 That's what they do. They go to a judge just 268 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.120 sign it all, you know, They go to a judge 269 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.320 assigned the order for a warrant. They never know. Their 270 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.759 job is to either allow or obstruct and inhibit. That 271 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:33.679 is what the judge for. 272 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.080 And this is the leader of the Justice Department saying 273 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.080 judges stay out of my way. 274 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.279 Fucking fuck man. Now, this is fascism. That's all this is. 275 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.399 And I've never and I don't ever use that word 276 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.240 because I feel like people use it in a really 277 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.279 hyperbolic way. And I don't want to sound just like 278 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.080 some looney fascist nazi blah blah blah. No, but that 279 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:56.120 is fascism. That's having laws on the books and just 280 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.919 be like, eh, eh, I said it. That's a that's silly, 281 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.360 that's silly. How aren't we past that? You know, it's 282 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:05.320 like fucking. 283 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.720 We really have to give to these people, right, So, 284 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.039 I mean, you know, come on, that's just ridiculous. 285 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.879 It's it's the point where you stop pretending that public 286 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.480 servants are public servants. Is basically like that's I think 287 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.559 I think it's yeah, where it becomes fascism. 288 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.399 I don't understand it because it's like I've been screaming 289 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.759 about this shit on stage with fucking punk rock and 290 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:27.399 oil bands for for fucking twenty five years. Man, It's 291 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.639 like we've we've been talking about it going on. I 292 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.840 think I think punk rock more or less started because 293 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:34.360 of fucking Reagan. You know what I'm saying, It's it's 294 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.200 all American, like hardcore is like was like a response 295 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.639 to that shit, man, I mean, and all we're seeing 296 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.559 is like very similar policies from you know, the early 297 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.559 like late seventies, early eighties that even the same terminology, 298 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:51.519 the same catchphrases, things like that being proliferated now but 299 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.000 to an extreme that is so blatant and in your 300 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.440 face and so obvious. But yet people are just drinking 301 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:03.879 it up like mother's milk. Man, It's fucking insane. It 302 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.200 blows my mind to watch this happening. I feel like 303 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.320 I'm in a twilight zone or something. I don't know 304 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:08.919 what's happening. 305 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.879 Well, Like and like what Pam Bondi said about the 306 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.000 you know, not obstructing law enforcement operations like that reminds 307 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.639 me of I was actually thinking about it earlier today, 308 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:22.039 Like unrelated to this episode, people view police as synonymous 309 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.639 with like legally correct right and the same way that 310 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.399 God is synonymous with morally good in most Christian views. 311 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.919 So for that reason, not only is it acceptable for 312 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.399 God to take your life, but it is morally good 313 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.279 for God to take your life because God doing it. Yeah, 314 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.879 it is moreally virtuous. So when you have a group 315 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.559 of people that you define as legal, like as synonymous 316 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:51.279 with legal, uh good. Already they are synonymous with the law. 317 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.120 Nothing they do can be wrong. So they have more 318 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.159 of a right to defend themselves than I do. They 319 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.240 have a more of a right to kill me than 320 00:16:59.320 --> 00:16:59.559 I do. 321 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.159 I think, Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. You may 322 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:03.519 think of something, please finish. 323 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.519 That's right. But yeah, it's basically just that it's it's 324 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.000 you have this group of people and it's not super 325 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.960 difficult to like be qualified to be a police officer, 326 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.799 Like are there are some physical demands? Yes, I'm not thinking, 327 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.039 but like like I went through Marine Corps boot camp, 328 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:20.759 Like if I can make it through Marine Corps boot 329 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.400 camp at that's like the way that I looked when 330 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.920 I went in. There's no reason that anybody can't you know, 331 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.480 make it. Sorry that's hyperbolic, but like fit people can 332 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.319 make it through the police academy and and it's it's 333 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.720 not like it's you need know the huge qualification. So 334 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.000 when you have this, this group of people that the 335 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.759 majority of the population is a subset or it is 336 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.440 a subset of the majority of the population, then you 337 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.279 just have person after person after person that like just 338 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.880 has more rights than me and can defend themselves and 339 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:53.400 has more of a right to live because if they 340 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.319 kill me, then all they just have to say that 341 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.200 they felt they were in danger or that I was 342 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.720 a danger to someone, and they're going to be believed. 343 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:00.400 I agree with you. 344 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.519 I think it's pathetic, especially especially as somebody who you 345 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.599 know has currently has professional well lined up until the 346 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.119 car drops, but professional fighting has been doing that shit 347 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.200 for twenty years. It's insane to me that these guys 348 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.759 who are supposed to serve and protect like can barely 349 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.559 get in and out of their cruiser. And that's not 350 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:24.119 shaming anybody for body size or weight or struggles or anything, 351 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.839 but like you, as a marine, you have prerequisites. You 352 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.440 have to do certain things in order to be trusted 353 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.440 to do certain things. If you're driving around all day 354 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.160 with a gun on your fucking hip and a taser 355 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.720 and the right to just an immunity and to kill 356 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.480 fucking people, but you can't, like you can't do ten push. 357 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.160 Ups, you don't have like you don't know how to actually. 358 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.240 Hand to hand. We have guys coming to the gym. 359 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.480 I was offered a position training HPD here in town 360 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:54.759 by sergeant one of the hiring officers. It didn't work out, 361 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.720 but it was. It was there because the concern that 362 00:18:57.759 --> 00:18:59.880 they're having these recruits. My bud, good friend of mine, 363 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:01.920 who as a sergeant in the HBD, said, these guys 364 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.720 are coming out they've never been in a fistfight in 365 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.039 their lives. They've never been in a violent altercation. They're 366 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.000 coming out of community college now months later, they have 367 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:10.240 a gun. They've never been in a violent confrontation in 368 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.039 their lives. They're coming from like upper middle class families. 369 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.119 They just probably didn't do very well in school, and 370 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.920 they're gonna do cop stuff or whatever, and it's it's 371 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:19.759 just kind of the thing they're doing. And then they 372 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.279 show up and they get a gun. They can shoot 373 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.440 somebody fucking insane, but they don't even do hand hand combat. 374 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.200 I got twenty years of jiu jitsu, you know, I 375 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:27.519 don't need to carry a fucking gun. 376 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:32.079 And everybody thinks they handle themselves with that gun. And 377 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.920 it's a scary person. That is one thing that I 378 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.960 have absolutely freaked out when I've experienced that. How many 379 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:43.079 people think that, oh, they're highly trained guys. It was like, 380 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.599 you know what, the military is highly trained guys, and 381 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.680 twenty guys in a battlefield can keep their head. Yeah, 382 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.640 about five percent, one is twenty. 383 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.599 It's crazy, Kelly. If there's one thing I know, I 384 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.599 grew up in very violent environment. We've all talked about it. 385 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:01.920 I was getting into fist fights every day. I mean, 386 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.440 I grew up in gang stuff. I know violence. I 387 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:08.359 know public violence, I know group violence, I know riots. 388 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.480 I feel very comfortable in a violence situation. Most people freeze. 389 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.680 Plus I do professional violence. I love it. It's fun. 390 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.519 I'm really good at it. But I recognize that ninety 391 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.839 nine point nine to nine percent of people don't want 392 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.960 to do violence. And when you have somebody who can't 393 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.839 even handle themselves in violence with their bare hands, the 394 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.480 first thing they're gonna do is kill somebody, and they're 395 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.799 going to harm somebody, and they're gonna just they're gonna 396 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.960 shoot a poor African American kid in the back, or 397 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.839 it's gonna be somebody who's in it because they're going 398 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.960 to tackle an Asian man and break his skull. You 399 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.960 know what I'm saying, old Asian man and braver. You 400 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.799 know all the things we've been seeing lately in the 401 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.519