1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. I have to tell you I 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,039 walked into the studio today with a completely different mindset 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,960 than usual. Normally, we grab a topic, maybe a historical event, 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,880 maybe a piece of new tech, and we try to 5 00:00:13,919 --> 00:00:15,439 wrap our heads around it. We try to put in 6 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:15,839 a box. 7 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:17,879 Speaker 2: Right, we categorize. I mean, that is just human nature. 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,760 We like things to fit neatly into the narrative we 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,199 already understand exactly. 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: But the stack of sources you sent me last night, 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,600 there is there is no box for this. We are 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,920 not categorizing today. We are taking a sledgehammer to the shells. Today, 13 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,799 we're pulling at the loose threads of reality itself to 14 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:37,840 see what unravels. And honestly, I'm a little nervous. 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: It is certainly a departure from the mundane. The material 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,240 we are covering today is well, let's call it high 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,640 octane speculation backed by physical anomalies. It challenges the absolute 18 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:49,880 bedrock of our history. 19 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: So let's set the stage for everyone listening. I want 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,679 to start with a hook that really really got me 21 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:55,479 thinking this morning. 22 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,359 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the concept of firsts first, 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,960 like historical first. 24 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are obsessed with them. You know, you learn 25 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:06,719 in school that Neil Armstrong was the first man on 26 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,280 the moon. We argue over dinner about whether Columbus of 27 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,120 the Vikings were the first across the Atlantic. We have 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,879 this timeline in our heads, this linear arrow of progress 29 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,640 that puts humanity right now, in the twenty first century, 30 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,799 at the absolute cutting edge of everything. 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,599 Speaker 2: It is a very anthropocentric view of history. We assume 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,640 that because we are doing something now, it must be 33 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:30,799 the very first time it has ever been done. We 34 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,519 view history as a ladder, and we just assume we 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,200 are on the top. 36 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: Wrong right, But what if the ladder is actually a wheel? 37 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:40,519 The source material for today challenges the ultimate first, the 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,840 big one. The question isn't just who discovered America? The 39 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,400 question is we're humans the first intelligent life on earth? 40 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:50,920 Or even are we the only intelligent like here right now? 41 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: That is the core of the ancient astronaut theory. But 42 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,959 before people roll their eyes an immediately thing of tinfoil hats. 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Our mission on Thrilling Threads today is to look at 44 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,120 the physical evidence. We aren't talking about blurry photos of 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,120 lights in the sky. 46 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: No, no blurry weather balloons. 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: Today exactly we are looking at geological surveys, archaeological anomalies, 48 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,240 and global patterns that suggest we might have had company 49 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,599 a long time ago, and. 50 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: The part that really gave me the chills, maybe we 51 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120 still do. It's not just about history, it's about the present. 52 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,400 I want to treat this like a campfire ghost story, 53 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,759 you know, but one where the ghosts have left fingerprints, 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,560 specific GPS coordinates, and like heavy mining equipment line around 55 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,520 a fair approach. 56 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: My role here, as always, is to play the devil's 57 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,680 advocate and the analyst. I want to look at the 58 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:39,919 data points. We need to ask the why behind the what, 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,039 because if even ten percent or five percent even of 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,800 this material is accurate, it changes the human narrative completely. 61 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: So let's unpack this. We're going to start with a rock, 62 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,719 but not just any rock. We are heading down to Brazil, 63 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,800 specifically to the Inga River, the Inga Stone. Yeah. When 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 I first read stone, I was picturing, you know, a boulder, 65 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,800 something you'd see on a hike, maybe sit on to 66 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,120 eat a sandwich. But I've pulled up the photos from 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,439 the sources and this thing is a wall. 68 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: It is a monolith. To give you a sense of scale, 69 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:11,120 we are talking about a vertical rock formation that is 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,240 roughly one hundred and fifty feet long and twelve feet tall. 71 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:18,479 Speaker 1: Imagine half a football feel of solid rock, and it's 72 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,879 not jagged. Parts of it are strangely polished. But the 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 size isn't the weird part. It's the graffiti. 74 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it graffiti. The entire surface is covered 75 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,719 in what the source material describes as immaculate curvings. And 76 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:36,039 this is where the archaeological community starts to get very uncomfortable. 77 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,039 Speaker 1: Because usually when you find petroglyphs in that part of 78 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,879 the northeast Brazil, you see a certain style, right correct. 79 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,919 Speaker 2: The indigenous art of that region and era typically features 80 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,960 zoomomorphic figures. You see jaguars, fish, birds, or perhaps ritualistic 81 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 scenes of hunting or dancing. There are representations of the 82 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,560 daily life and the strangual beliefs of the people. 83 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: But the inga stone, I mean it looks like a 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,319 circuit board. I'm looking at these pictures and I don't 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,479 see jaguars. I see geometric shapes, I see spirals, I 86 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,080 see things that look like barcodes. 87 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: That is the anomaly. The complexity of the symbols is 88 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:13,159 far beyond what is attributed to the cultures of that time. 89 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,839 There are over four hundred distinct symbols carved into the 90 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:17,600 Nice rock. 91 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,199 Speaker 1: And nice is hard, right, like, geologically. 92 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: Speaking, incredibly hard. This wasn't scratched in with a stick 93 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:27,120 or a crude bone tool. This took serious effort and 94 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,199 advanced technology to carve this precisely. 95 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,319 Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting. Researchers, specifically a 96 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:37,120 guy named Gabrielle de Nuncio Baraldi, who was referenced in 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,439 our sources, claimed to have deciphered them. And they aren't 98 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,279 stories about a great hunt. They're about physics and astronomy. 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: This is the first major divergence from the standard historical narrative. 100 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,879 The carvings appear to depict specific constellations. The source mentions 101 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:56,240 the Southern Cross, the Milky Way, and distinctly Oriyan. 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,759 Speaker 1: Okay, play this skeptic for a second. Could it just 103 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,560 be art? I mean, I can look get a cloud 104 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,360 and see a spaceship. Is this just us projecting our 105 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,199 modern understanding of astronomy onto ancient abstract art. 106 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,199 Speaker 2: That is the question we must always ask. Perry Doolia. 107 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Seeing patterns that aren't there However, the alignment and the 108 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:17,079 relative distances between the stars on the rock match the 109 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,839 astronomical charts surprisingly. 110 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: Well, it's too accurate to be a doodle, right, And 111 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:25,000 you have to ask why would a primitive culture concerned 112 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,680 primarily with survival, rain and crops create a high fidelity 113 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:30,399 map of the. 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,959 Speaker 1: Galaxy unless someone showed them the galaxy. 115 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: That is the exact inference the source material makes. In 116 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:39,480 the ancient astronaut framework, if you are visited by beings 117 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,600 from the stars, the stars become the most important subject matter. 118 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: It totally shifts their worldview. 119 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: It signals a shift from worshiping nature like the river 120 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,879 or the sun, to worshiping the visitors. 121 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, if you meet a guy 122 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,519 from Chicago and he drawed you a map of Chicago 123 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:56,639 and says, this is where I live, you might carve 124 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,800 that map to remember him. You wouldn't carve a picture 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,920 of a local bird if the most important event in 126 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:03,759 your life was meeting the Chicago guy. 127 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: An apt, if slightly casual analogy, but yes, the deviation 128 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,040 from the cultural norm choosing star maps over spirit animals 129 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,639 suggests a specific external influence. 130 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: But it's not just the carving on the rock. It's 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,040 the rock itself, or rather where the rock is sitting. 132 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:25,160 The source mentions these spiral carvings are interpreted as vortices 133 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:28,040 of energy, and I initially thought, okay, that sounds like 134 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,639 New Age fluff, crystals and vibes, but then they brought 135 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:31,199 the receipts. 136 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: There is physical data here. There is a proven magnetic 137 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,000 anomaly at the exact site of the NGOs stone. If 138 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,639 you take a compass there, it behaves radically. The local 139 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,519 electromagnetic field is distorted and if you zoom out, if 140 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,600 you zoom out to the macrogeography, the stone is located 141 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,160 within the South Atlantic Anomaly. 142 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: I've heard of this. This is a real thing. NASA 143 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,759 tracts right. It's not just an Internet. 144 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:55,519 Speaker 2: Rumor absolutely real. It is a region where the Earth's 145 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,000 inner van Allen radiation belt comes closest to the Earth's surface. 146 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,959 It's essentially a d in the Earth's magnetic shield. Satellites 147 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,600 often have to shut down their sensitive instruments when passing 148 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:07,879 over this area to avoid radiation damage. 149 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: So let's put this together for you guys listening. We 150 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,639 have a one hundred and fifty foot stone wall. It's 151 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,439 carved with star maps and spirals, and it is sitting 152 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,600 directly on top of a magnetic anomaly inside a massive 153 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:23,279 atmospheric radiation zone. 154 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:25,199 Speaker 2: It creates a very compelling coincidence. 155 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: Coincidence come on, that feels like engineering. If I'm an 156 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,759 alien and I need a place to park, or a marker, 157 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,560 or I don't know, a charging station, that is. 158 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:35,519 Speaker 2: The leading theory in the source. If you were a 159 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,920 spacefaring civilization, you would need navigational beacons. You would map 160 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,279 the magnetic anomalies of. 161 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: A planet because you'd use them right, perhaps. 162 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: For propulsion, perhaps to harness the energy, or perhaps simply 163 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:51,120 to know where the dangerous radiation is. The connection between 164 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,079 the carving, the map, and the location the energy source 165 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,720 suggests function over form. 166 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: It's a you are here sign, or maybe a warning signage. 167 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,959 Speaker 2: Or a refueling station. But hold that thought on refueling 168 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,399 because that ties into the motivation we will discuss later. First, 169 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:10,120 we need to address the fact that the Ingas Stone isn't. 170 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,879 Speaker 1: Isolated, right, It's not just one weird rock in Brazil exactly. 171 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: It's a part of a network. 172 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,519 Speaker 1: This blew my mind, the world grid. 173 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: This brings us to the work of Ivan T. Sanderson. 174 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,759 Speaker 1: I love this name, Ivan T. Sanderson. He sounds like 175 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,519 an adventurer from a nineteen thirties pulp novel Indiana Jones Vibes. 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: He was actually a Scottish born biologist and a bit 177 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,840 of a cryptozoologist, a very colorful character. But he was 178 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:38,559 obsessed with data patterns. He didn't just look at one 179 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,519 weird event in isolation. He looked for global correlations. 180 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: And he came up with the vile Vortices, which honestly 181 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,600 great branding. 182 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,759 Speaker 2: It is evocative. Yes, Sanderson identified twelve principal locations on 183 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:57,240 the globe where paranormal phenomena, disappearances, and magnetic anomalies occur 184 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,879 with a statistical significance. 185 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: And the Ingastone or the South Atlantic Anomaly is one 186 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:02,440 of them. 187 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,039 Speaker 2: It connects to one, yes, but you know the others. 188 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,279 The Bermuda Triangle, the Devil Sea sometimes called the Dragon's Triangle, 189 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:12,519 south of Japan, Easter Island, the Indus Valley, and. 190 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,159 Speaker 1: Here is the kicker. They aren't random, like if you 191 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,840 just threw darts at a map, you wouldn't get this. 192 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: No, if you plot these twelve locations on a globe, 193 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,000 they are spaced perfectly evenly. If you connect the dots, 194 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:27,759 they form an icosahedron, a geometric shape made of twenty 195 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,480 equilateral triangles. 196 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,159 Speaker 1: So nature rarely builds perfect dicosyhedrons on a planetary scale. Right, 197 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,440 This implies a grid, a structure. 198 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: The theory is that the Earth is like a crystal. 199 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,720 It has geometric stress points or energy nodes. Think of 200 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,879 it like acupuncture points on the human body. 201 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that helps. So if the Earth has these pressure points, 202 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Sanderson called them vile because bad stuff happens there. Planes, vanish, 203 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:55,279 ship sink compasses go crazy. 204 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,639 Speaker 2: Because of the intense magnetic instability. But the ancient astronaut 205 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:02,200 perspective flips that narrative completely. We look at the Bermuda 206 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,559 triangle and think danger, keep away. But the source suggests 207 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,879 that maybe maybe it's a transit system. 208 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: A transit system like a cosmic subway. 209 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: Imagine you have technology that we can't even dream of. 210 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,360 You don't use combustion engines, you use electromagnetic propulsion, or 211 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,039 perhaps you manipulate gravity itself. Where would you build your bases? 212 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,159 Speaker 1: You build them on the energy nodes. You'd build them 213 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:24,360 where the Earth is already giving you a boost. You 214 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,240 wouldn't put a water wheel in a dry ditch, you 215 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,000 put it in the rapids exactly. 216 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: The Source speculates that these locations could be brought to 217 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,320 a higher energetic. 218 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: State, meaning portals wormholes. 219 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,759 Speaker 2: Theoretically, in physics we talk about Einstein Rosen bridges shortcuts 220 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:45,519 through space time. To open one, you would need immense energy. 221 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:49,799 If you could harness the natural magnetic anomalies of the planet, 222 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,720 these vile vortices, you might be able to create a 223 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,720 stable corridor. 224 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,639 Speaker 1: So it's literally a subway system. If you enter the 225 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:58,879 turnstile and the Bermuda triangle and you pop. 226 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: Out where another part of the galaxy, another universe. The 227 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:04,960 Source describes it visually as a tunnel. If you have 228 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,799 the tech to open the door, it's a shortcut. 229 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: But if you don't have the tech, if you are 230 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:12,279 just a human in a wooden galleon or a prop 231 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,039 plane flying through the Bermuda triangle and the door happens 232 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:15,840 to open. 233 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: You slip through and you are never seen again. 234 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Or you just get crushed by the door. That makes 235 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,799 so much sense in a terrifying way. We see these 236 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,080 places as graveyards because we're trying to walk across the 237 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,639 super highway with our eyes closed. Yeah, but for an 238 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,440 advanced civilization, it's just the on ramp. 239 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: It reframes the paranormal as misunderstood physics. We see a 240 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,279 ship vanish and call it a ghost story. They might 241 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,759 see a ship vanish and say, oops, the primitives accidentally 242 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,879 triggered the jump gate. 243 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's pause and look at the board here, 244 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,399 because we're building a massive picture. We have a star 245 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:51,480 map carved on a magnetic rock in Brazil. We have 246 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:55,240 a global grid of these magnetic spots that might be wormholes. 247 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,159 But the big question, the one that always nags at 248 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,360 me with this alien stuff, is why. 249 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: Motivation? It is the key to any investigation, criminal or historical. 250 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:06,799 Speaker 1: Right, Like, if I'm an advance alien, I can go 251 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:10,120 anywhere in the universe. I have a wormhole subway. Why Earth? 252 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,600 Are we just a nice vacation spot? Do they like 253 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:16,440 our beaches? The source material gets surprisingly practical about this. 254 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,639 It's not about tourism. It's not even about scientific curiosity 255 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,279 like studying the local bugs. 256 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,879 Speaker 2: It is about work. It is about resources, specifically mining, 257 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:27,240 And to understand this we actually have to look at 258 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,000 the moon first. 259 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: The moon okay. July twenty, nineteen sixty nine, Armstrong and Aldron, 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,720 one small step the whole world. 261 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:38,919 Speaker 2: Watching the Source makes a really poignant observation. Here. We 262 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:41,679 look at that grainy footage, the flag, the gray dust, 263 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:44,879 the footprints, and we think we did it. We left home. 264 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,559 We are the explorers. 265 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,279 Speaker 1: But the Source asks, is it arrogant to think we 266 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:49,879 were the first? 267 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,799 Speaker 2: The universe is roughly thirteen point eight billion years old, 268 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,080 The Earth is four point five billion years old. Humanity 269 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,519 we've been industrial for maybe two hundred years. Is it 270 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,879 so hard to imagine that in those billions of years 271 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:05,320 someone else stopped. 272 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:06,919 Speaker 1: By the Moon and treated it like a gas station. 273 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: Excisely to the naked eye, the Moon is a barren rock, 274 00:13:10,159 --> 00:13:13,000 just dust and craters. But in nineteen eighty six, samples 275 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,120 and testing revealed that the Lumur landscape contains extremely high 276 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,279 amounts of helium three. 277 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:19,799 Speaker 1: Helium three. I've heard this mentioned in sci fi movies, 278 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,000 but break it down for us. Why is helium three 279 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:24,200 so special? Why would aliens care? 280 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: It is the absolute holy grail of nuclear fusion. Unlike 281 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,039 nuclear fission, which we use today and produces dangerous radioactive waste, 282 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,919 fusion with helium three is clean, it's incredibly powerful, and 283 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,240 it is non radioactive. 284 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Give me a stat how powerful are we talking. 285 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: The source states that a single space shuttle load of 286 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:47,799 helium three could power the entire United States for a year. 287 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: One shuttle a year. That is, that's economy changing, that's 288 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:55,759 world changing. You wouldn't need oil, coal, anything. 289 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:59,799 Speaker 2: So if we humans are currently planning missions to mine 290 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:02,200 them moon for helium three, which by the way, China 291 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,000 and the US are actively discussing right now, why wouldn't 292 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 an advanced civilization have done the exact same thing a 293 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:08,799 million years ago? 294 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,279 Speaker 1: It makes total sense. If you're traveling between stars, you 295 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,240 don't carry all your fuel with you, you'd be too heavy. 296 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:15,600 You stop at the local chevron, and the Moon is 297 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:18,039 a perfect chevron. It's low gravity, so it's easy to 298 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:20,120 take off again, and it's full of helium three. 299 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,919 Speaker 2: And if the Moon is the gas station, Earth. 300 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:24,679 Speaker 1: Is the hardware store or the jewelry store. 301 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,399 Speaker 2: No, not jewelry, the hardware store. This brings us back 302 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:32,720 down to Earth, specifically to the cradle of civilization, Sumeria. 303 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,559 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite parts of history because 304 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,879 it's so sudden. The Sumerian culture in what is now 305 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,320 Iraq between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers around thirty five 306 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:44,320 hundred BC. They just pop up. 307 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:49,039 Speaker 2: It is historically abrupt. We go from scattered hunter gatherers 308 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:52,320 to a society with city grids that look like modern Manhattan, 309 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:57,679 complete with cobblestones, sewage systems, advanced agriculture, and most importantly writing. 310 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: Kidney form A little wedge shapes the clay. 311 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:04,159 Speaker 2: Yes, they had courts of law, complex astronomy, and advanced mathematics. 312 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:07,559 And we found thousands of these clay tablets, twenty two 313 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,879 thousand of them discovered in the ruins of Nineveh in 314 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:10,919 the nineteenth century. 315 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: And when scholars finally translated them, they found stories that 316 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:15,240 sounded incredibly familiar. 317 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:18,879 Speaker 2: They found the precursors to the biblical stories the Great Flood, 318 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,159 the creation of Man from clay. These stories existed in 319 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Sumeria long before the Book of Genesis was written, but 320 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:27,799 in nineteen seventy six a scholar named Zechariah Sitchen offered 321 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:29,759 a highly controversial translation in. 322 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: His book The Earth Chronicles. 323 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,039 Speaker 2: Sitchen claimed the tablets describe an alien race known as 324 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,519 the Anunaki, and, according to his reading of the cuneiform. 325 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:42,000 They didn't come here to be worshiped as ethereal gods. 326 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,960 They came here to dig. 327 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: To dig for gold. 328 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Correct, the gods were miners. 329 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: But why gold? I mean, I get that we like gold. 330 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,480 It's shiny, looks great on a watch. But if you 331 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,120 have a spaceship capable of interstellar travel, surely you don't 332 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,399 need currency. You aren't buying things. 333 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,639 Speaker 2: This is where we need to separate golds perceived esthetic 334 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:07,039 value from its scientific utility. Sitchen's theory is twofold. First, 335 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,360 he claims their home planet, which he called Nibiru, was 336 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,000 suffering from severe atmospheric. 337 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Depletion like climate change on steroids. 338 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: Yes, they needed to suspend gold particles in their atmosphere 339 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,039 to create a reflective shield to save their planet. 340 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Like geoengineering or planetary engineering putting up a giant gold 341 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:26,200 sunshade in the sky exactly. 342 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: And that actually aligns with some modern scientific theories about 343 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,919 how to repair a damaged atmosphere or cool a planet. 344 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,360 But even if you ignore the dying planet theory, look 345 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:37,639 at how we use gold today in high tech industries. 346 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:40,039 Speaker 1: It's in our phones, it's in our computers. You can 347 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,000 pull gold out of old motherboards. 348 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,519 Speaker 2: It is the ultimate metal for technology. It is the 349 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:49,679 third best conductor of electricity. But unlike silver or copper, 350 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:53,360 it does not tarnish or corrode. It is practically immortal. 351 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,519 It reflects infrared radiation incredibly well. 352 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,519 Speaker 1: That's why the visors on astronaut helmets are gold coated, 353 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,759 right to protect their eyes from the unfiltered sun in space. 354 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,839 Speaker 2: Correct. So if you are a spacefaring civilization building ships 355 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,960 that need to last centuries in the harsh vacuum of space, 356 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,920 you need gold. You need it for circuitry, for radiation shielding, 357 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,039 for seamless connectors. It's not money to them, it's the wiring, 358 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,039 it's the building material survival. 359 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: So the Aninachi come here, they find goal. They start digging. 360 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:27,720 But digging is hard work. It's hot, it's heavy, it's dangerous. 361 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,599 Speaker 2: And according to Sitchin's translations, the Ananachi tired of the 362 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,880 relentless labor. They mutinied against their leaders. They wanted a 363 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,400 workforce to do the heavy lifting. 364 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: And they looked at the local wildlife, the early Homidid's 365 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:41,039 running around and said, we can work with this. 366 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: Let's upgrade them. It suggests we were the workforce the 367 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,480 gods were the supervisors, the engineers, and humanity was genetically 368 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:51,519 altered to be the labor in a global mining colony. 369 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: That is humbling. It's also a little depressing. We like 370 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,400 to think where the center of the universe made in 371 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,640 the image of the divine, and really we're just the 372 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,160 local hires for a mining operation who eventually got too 373 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,279 smart for our own good. 374 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,759 Speaker 2: It shifts the narrative significantly. But if we follow this 375 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:11,160 thread that these beings were physically here walking among us, 376 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,240 supervising us, it implies interaction, close prolonged interaction, and that 377 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,279 leads to the question of physical evidence left not just 378 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:22,119 in the dirt, but on us. On human biology. 379 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:24,599 Speaker 1: This brings us to the skulls, and I have to say, 380 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,400 looking at the pictures and the source file you sent, 381 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:28,799 these things are pure nightmare fuel. 382 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,839 Speaker 2: The elongated skulls of Paracas, Peru, specifically from Kowachi, the 383 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,640 ancient capital of the Nosca people. 384 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: For everyone listening, I want to describe what we're looking 385 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,880 at here. Imagine a normal human skull, but instead of 386 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,680 rounding off at the top and back, the cranium just 387 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,240 continues upward and backward, almost like a cone or a 388 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:50,200 massive swept back dome. They are huge. 389 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: They were unearthed in nineteen ten by the anthropologist alesher Tlchica, 390 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:57,039 and they immediately sparked a massive debate and. 391 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:02,319 Speaker 1: The immediate reaction from skeptics. The standard textbook answer is headbinding. 392 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: And that is a completely valid, historically documented practice. We 393 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:09,839 know cultures did this. We call it cranial deformation. We 394 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,200 have photographs from the late nineteenth century of the mong 395 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,160 Betu tribe and the African Congo tightly wrapping infants heads 396 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,880 in cloth or clamping them between wooden boards. 397 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:21,279 Speaker 1: Which sounds horrific. I mean doing that to a baby. 398 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: It is incredibly painful and highly dangerous. It can cause 399 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,480 severe brain damage, it can kill the child. The skull 400 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:29,680 of an infant is malleable, so they force it into 401 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,400 this shape as it grows. But the source points out 402 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,640 a massive global mystery here, right. 403 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't just in Peru. 404 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: No, this practice was found in the Congo, it was 405 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,200 found in Malta in the Mediterranean, it was found in 406 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Vanuatu and on incredibly remote islands in the Pacific. 407 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 1: That's the aha moment for me. Why would completely unconnected 408 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:52,119 cultures separated by massive oceans in thousands of years all 409 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,920 wake up one day and decide, hey, let's squash our 410 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,319 babies heads into this exact specific cone shape. 411 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: That is the pivotal question. Why this specific shape? Anthropologists 412 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:05,720 usually default to saying it was a mark of social 413 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:09,440 status or it was considered beautiful. But why is that beautiful? 414 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:14,279 Why is a deformed, elongated head a status symbol across 415 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:15,440 isolated continents. 416 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: The ancient astronaut theory has a simple answer. Mimicry. 417 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 418 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:24,519 Speaker 1: It's the cargo cult mentality. Like during World War two, 419 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:27,519 island tribes in the Pacific saw American planes land and 420 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,160 bring food and supplies. So when the war ended and 421 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,039 the planes left, the tribes built straw planes and carved 422 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:35,519 wooden headsets to try and bring the gods back. They 423 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:38,119 mimic the behavior to get the result exactly. 424 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 2: The source argues that these ancient cultures weren't just being 425 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,599 arbitrarily creative with their children's skulls. They wouldn't risk their 426 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:48,039 infants lives for a random fashion statement. They were trying 427 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:49,920 to look like someone they had actually seen. 428 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,559 Speaker 1: They saw the gods, the Innaki, or whoever was running 429 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:59,440 the mining operation, and these beings had naturally large, elongated heads. 430 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,039 Speaker 2: The gods have big heads, and the gods have power 431 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,680 and magic, which is just advanced technology. Then the humans think, 432 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,559 if I make my child's head look like that, maybe 433 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,799 they will have that power too, maybe they will be 434 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,279 treated better by the supervisors. 435 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: It's tragic, really, breaking your own child's skull to try 436 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,359 and look like the boss. 437 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 2: It is a dark thought, and the source connects this 438 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 ancient mimicry to the modern pop culture image of the 439 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:28,799 gray alien. You know, the archetype. Spindly body, huge elongated head, 440 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,279 massive almond eyes. 441 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,039 Speaker 1: It's the image everyone draws when you say the word alien. 442 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:34,680 It's on T shirts and bumper stickers. 443 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: The source suggests that this archetype exists so strongly in 444 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,920 our collective subconscious because it is a deeply buried race memory. 445 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,599 We saw them, they looked like that, we tried to 446 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:46,119 copy them. 447 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,599 Speaker 1: It connects everything. The gold mining supervisors had the long heads. 448 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,200 The humans copied the long heads to fit in or 449 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,200 gain status. It's all consistent. 450 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,039 Speaker 2: Consistent, Yes, disturbing. Also, yes, the physical impression on our 451 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:00,720 culture is indelible. 452 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,039 Speaker 1: So let's look at the timeline we've built. We have 453 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,920 the map at the Ingostone. We have the highway of 454 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,799 the vile vortices. We have the job description mining for 455 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,319 healium three in gold. We have the uniform, the elongated skulls. 456 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,960 But where are they now? If they were here, did 457 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,200 they just pack up and leave? 458 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,319 Speaker 2: That is the final thread of our deep dive today, 459 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,359 and perhaps the most unsettling one, the question of their 460 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,319 current whereabouts? 461 00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: Because we always look up right. We have SETI pointing 462 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,519 massive radio dishes at the stars. We're constantly scanning for 463 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:34,240 signals from Alpha Centauri or wherever. But the source material 464 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:36,079 says we're looking in the completely wrong direction. 465 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: You should be looking down into the ocean. Think about 466 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,799 the pure statistics of our planet. We have mapped the 467 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,960 surface of Mars more accurately than we have mapped the 468 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,759 floor of the Pacific Ocean. Seventy percent of our planet 469 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:53,079 is water. It is a massive, opaque, impenetrable shield. 470 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: The source introduces this concept of USO's unidentified submersible objects. 471 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,960 We always hear about us but USO's are just as 472 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,960 common in the reports. 473 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: We have reports dating back to Columbus's logs and continuing 474 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:10,480 right up to modern navy sightings of massive objects glowing 475 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:13,920 and moving underwater, but not just drifting, moving at speeds 476 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,720 that completely defy or understanding of fluid dynamics. 477 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: Hundreds of knots underwater, right, yeah, which should be impossible. 478 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,839 The water resistance alone would crush your rip a conventional. 479 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 2: Ship apart, unless you have technology that negates mass or resistance, 480 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,279 a localized gravity envelope. Perhaps. The source mentions Arnold Land, 481 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,599 a retired surgeon from Minnesota who was fascinated by extreme 482 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 depth diving physiology. He patented a liquid air scuba suit, 483 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,519 speculating on the possibility of liquid breathing. 484 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:44,039 Speaker 1: Like the movie The Abyss where they breathe the pink 485 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:45,880 liquid so they don't get crushed by the pressure. 486 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: Exactly like that. But the broader theory presented in the 487 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,160 source is tactical. If you are in advanced civilization and 488 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,839 you want to observe earth or continue to mine Earth 489 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,240 without being bothered by the noisy, violent monkeys on the surface, 490 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:00,759 where you go. 491 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: You go where the monkeys can't go. You go to 492 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,880 the bottom of the Marianas Trench. 493 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: It is the perfect hiding spot. It's safe, it's secluded, 494 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:13,039 it's geologically stable in the deep basins, the temperature doesn't fluctuate. 495 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,640 Surface storms, even nuclear wars wouldn't really reach you. If 496 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,079 you wanted to hide a base the size of Manhattan 497 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,039 on Earth, the bottom of the ocean is the only 498 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:21,920 viable place to do. 499 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,279 Speaker 1: It makes me think about those ancient myths again, the 500 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:26,559 OANs and Sumeria. 501 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: Yes, the amphibious gods. 502 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,799 Speaker 1: They were described as beings literally fishmen who came out 503 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,720 of the sea during the day to teach the Sumerians 504 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,559 writing math and law, and then walked back into the 505 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,000 sea at night. I always thought that was just weird 506 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,000 artistic license, a metaphor. 507 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,319 Speaker 2: But in this context, it doesn't sound like a metaphor. 508 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,680 It sounds like a daily commute. They lived in the 509 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,160 underwater base, commuted to the surface to supervise the workers 510 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,440 and manage the civilization, and went home at night. 511 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: Man, that turns the whole idea of dominion over the 512 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,759 Earth on its head. Walk around thinking we own the place, 513 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000 We build our cities, we fight our wars, we draw 514 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,599 our borders on maps, but really we only live on 515 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,559 the dry islands. We're just squatting on the thirty percent 516 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,079 of the planet. That sticks out of the water. 517 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: We live on the roof. The real landlords might be 518 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,440 living in the house below. 519 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: And the source material speculates on the zoo hypothesis or 520 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,559 the Petri Dish theory that Earth isn't just a mine, 521 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:24,359 it's a genetic experiment. 522 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: If they engineered us, as Sitchen suggests to be workers, 523 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,119 are they still monitoring the experiment? The source asks a 524 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,759 very pointed question, are they waiting to upgrade humanity again? 525 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: Or are they waiting for us to mess up? 526 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: That is the ultimate fear. If we are the crop, 527 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,039 are they waiting for the harvest? Or if we are 528 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,400 the tenants, are we getting dangerously close to eviction because 529 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,319 we are actively trashing the apartment. 530 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,319 Speaker 1: We're certainly trashing the apartment. I mean, look at the pollution, 531 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,200 the wars. 532 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 2: It connects back to the concept of first that you 533 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,640 introduced at the beginning. If they were here first, and 534 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720 they are still here, we are guests and we are 535 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,640 not being very polite guests. 536 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: That is a terrifying thought to end on. But it 537 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,839 really forces you to think. I mean, we've covered so 538 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,559 much ground today, from the astronomical carvings in Brazil to 539 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,440 the magnetic wormholes from the gold mines of ancient Iraq 540 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000 to the underwater bases in the Pacific. 541 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: It is a remarkably consistent narrative. That is what makes 542 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,359 it so sticky for researchers. You have these completely desparate 543 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,400 things a rock, a clay tablet, a deformed skull, a 544 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,240 modern navy report, and when you thread them together with 545 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,440 the ancient astronaut theory, they fit. 546 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,039 Speaker 1: They fit a pattern. Whether that pattern is real or 547 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,200 just the ultimate, grandest conspiracy theory, that's for you listening 548 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,839 to decide. 549 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,799 Speaker 2: Indeed, our job is to present the threads. You have 550 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,400 to decide if they make a tapestry. 551 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,599 Speaker 1: So I have a question for you listening right now. 552 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359 I want you to really picture this tonight. You're standing 553 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,519 on the beach at night. You're looking out at the 554 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,359 dark water. The waves are crashing. 555 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: And you know that down there, five miles down in 556 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,880 the pitch black there might be lights. 557 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:05,079 Speaker 1: If the theories in today's thrilling threads are true, if 558 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,960 there is an advanced civilization hiding in our oceans or 559 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,920 watching from the moon, would you want them to reveal 560 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,039 themselves to us tomorrow. 561 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: It is a massive double edged sword confirmation would change 562 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,279 absolutely everything, religion, science, politics, our entire understanding of our place, 563 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,319 and the food chain. It would all crumble and have 564 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,640 to be rebuilt from scratch. 565 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: Or considering we might just be a genetically engineered mining 566 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,960 colony to them, are we better off if they stay hidden? 567 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,799 Maybe ignorance really is bliss. If the landlords come out 568 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,079 of the basement, they might just want to collect the rent. 569 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,359 I honestly don't know my answer, but I want to 570 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,359 know yours. Leave your answer in the comments. 571 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: It is certainly something to ponder the next time you 572 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,200 look at the stars or the ocean. We are not 573 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,480 alone PERHPS. We never were. 574 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on this deep dive on thrilling threads. 575 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,400 Keep pulling at the loose ends. You never know what 576 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,200 might unravel until next time.