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Speaker 1: Of the Snake, the heads of the Hydra. One gentleman,

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James Gunn never forget his name. Another man I usually

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can forget Peter Saffron, which is I've now learned his name,

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and I might not have to too much because he

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might be shifting out of that role into the lead

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role of the sea, like like.

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Speaker 2: You to know his name even more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Actually he's gonna be covering

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more films than I than I would have already been

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talking about. But potentially the new DC head after I

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don't know, there's some I don't want to say inner turmoil,

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but maybe some inner uneasiness on just I don't even

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want to say, like the trajectory of Warner Brothers, but

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just maybe like the the high tide of movies successful

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at the box office. That was a horrible way to

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say that, apologize, But yeah, no, I from what I understand,

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there's some inner mumblings that the Superman project that's coming

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out this summer is kind of a make or break.

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it's such a massive studio. I don't think it'll it'll

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break down the whole company, but I mean, if there's

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already talks of just shifting around some leadership, maybe that.

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Speaker 2: Is WB's on the ropes though, man Like they are

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already on the ropes, so that, yeah, they takeing a

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couple pressures. The pressure's on, and obviously, you know, part

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of this is like Mickey seventeen was, I guess one

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of their things, and that's not doing great and all

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this so like not looking good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I truly loved that movie. I know

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you absolutely did, and I didn't really because I just

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don't keep my finger on the pulse on the box

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office stuff. Initially, I was pretty surprised, I think just

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by the ratio of to my understanding budget of about

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one hundred and twenty million and then domestically made about

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nineteen million, like just under twenty mil. That's that's crazy

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the fuck this movie was gonna be going into it

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or maybe I don't know, earning the vibe for this

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type of movie for whatever reason, did not do too

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well at the box office. And uh, what was the

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been telling when anyone everyone in my

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life go see this freaking movie.

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Speaker 1: So and they should.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing my part.

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Speaker 1: You listening to this right now, you should go check

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out Mickey seventeen is a fantastic film. But yeah, they're

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so Mickey seventeen. Uh oh, Joker Joker too. That was

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the other one that made Yeah, that was not good

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nature box office bomb and uh, of course it's like

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two projects and pretty close window of release, and then

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my position was in those roles like leading up into

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Superman and but yeah, like, I don't know, what do

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higher responsibility role after It's always hard with these people,

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just citizens of the Earth to like understand kind of

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DC stuff is just kind of getting kicked off. We

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really don't know how successful this plan is going to

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seems like there's a lot of great ideas there, but

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we just have to remain to be seen if it's profitable.

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need that second chair, maybe he doesn't need his Whaler

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and so maybe it's just like, Okay, the current people

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do worse than like these fools that you got in

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this position right now, because they're just kind of dropping

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hard for me to fully contextualize it. But the move

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doesn't really make a lot of sense. But also what

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they're currently doing doesn't make sense, so you know, try again,

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Speaker 1: And I mean many times in the past I've completely

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forgotten his name just because James gun isn't uh or

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also I just don't really fully understand what Peter Saffron

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Speaker 2: Pile of cash, smokes cigars. I don't know what these

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I guess good for him. You know,

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he's gonna be getting a pretty good pay raise. I

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Speaker 2: Just with wbn's to spend more money on things that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think a part of that too is I mean,

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Mickey seventeen one hundred and twenty million dollar budget. It's

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a beautiful looking film, but like gorgeous, you don't have

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to have one hundred million dollars to make a phenomenal film, clearly,

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you got bigger profits. But I don't know, it's just

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Speaker 2: Not an easy role. It's really hard to make these decisions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not qualified for this, so take everything I

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Speaker 2: I think that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got detail in the chat. What was one

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of the comments here? What do you think Superman needs

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a billion dollar film. WHOA, Okay, Yeah, It's just it's

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more people will be talking about It's it's Superman. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do we know the budget of this movie,

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Speaker 1: You talk to text right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of ports in my laptop, so that's kind

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing three hundred and sixty three point eight oh

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dollars is way higher than I was expecting. That is insane. Man,

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Speaker 2: And this movie's coming out soon. I feel like I

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have not seen much marketing for it yet, so I

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this movie's got to make big money to be a success,

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which is once again, like a big part of this

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reading to this article figuring out what's wrong with WB

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Speaker 1: If that's a true number, that is that is crazy.

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Speaker 2: And there's a birth flu thing going on right now.

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Speaker 2: But in this uh day and age, you can't just

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you can't just casually hit that.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And the detail also said Mickey Saiven,

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he was great in theater, like everybody's just gonna see it,

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absolutely awesome. Was there something else in this Peter Saffron

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big guys already. But I mean, I don't know, people

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break through rules all the time, so maybe that would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I feel like the rules just change, you know,

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they don't work, so then they just make the change.

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Speaker 2: Of the maybe Netflix would scoop that up.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I'm so out of my element when it comes

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to like the big company monopoly type size or sorry

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that the types of people that are just truly running

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Amazon they could probably afford it, just just

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into like, I don't know the monopoly rules of But unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope for the DC fans that w can

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at least hold on a little bit longer, have some

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success here and like you can at least get a

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glimpse of this Saffron and gun vision and just get

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like at least I don't know, at least five or

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six or seven of these projects out and just see

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what that vision is and then obviously, if it's profitable,

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keep it going. But yeah, I hope for the DC

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fans that they can at least get to see this

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a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I really want that that Superman project to

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just pop off, and I want to be hyped on

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Supman again because I really love the Henry Cavill pairing

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for Supman, even though I didn't really love those movies,

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you know, the Zack Snyder Justice League maybe being my

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favorite out of all all those, but uh, yeah, no,

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I I really want to be loving this film because

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we went through that retro to go check that out.

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that was one of my early just attachments to the

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supermo superhero genre. And of course, like we didn't have

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the cinematic universes that we do now, Like now we're

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just we're spoiled rotten with with the amount of projects

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that we have. But yeah, no, I I I have

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a deep place in my heart for for Superman, So

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I really hope it succeeds.

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Speaker 2: When's that, uh, that old movie coming out.

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Speaker 1: I'll get an exact date. I know it's in the.

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Speaker 2: Sert July moment.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps July eleventh. There we go. That was it?

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Speaker 2: June, same day as Tony Hawk's three plus four pro cool?

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna choose, Dylan Superman or Tony Hawk

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three plus one?

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Speaker 2: Stay home and play Tony.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna help get this over eight hundred billion.

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Speaker 2: I supported Mickey seventeen. I'll go see that again.

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Speaker 1: That's that's respectful, right, Okay? Any final things on these

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DC talks or