Speaker 1: All right and we are back. Yeah, I said some
DC stuff. It's more focused around Yeah, I guess the
heads of d C.
Speaker 2: There's the heads of the Snake, the heads.
Speaker 1: Of the Snake, the heads of the Hydra. One gentleman,
James Gunn never forget his name. Another man I usually
can forget Peter Saffron, which is I've now learned his name,
and I might not have to too much because he
might be shifting out of that role into the lead
role of the sea, like like.
Speaker 2: You to know his name even more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Actually he's gonna be covering
more films than I than I would have already been
talking about. But potentially the new DC head after I
don't know, there's some I don't want to say inner turmoil,
but maybe some inner uneasiness on just I don't even
want to say, like the trajectory of Warner Brothers, but
just maybe like the the high tide of movies successful
at the box office. That was a horrible way to
say that, apologize, But yeah, no, I from what I understand,
there's some inner mumblings that the Superman project that's coming
out this summer is kind of a make or break.
I feel like that's kind of a hyperbole just because
it's such a massive studio. I don't think it'll it'll
break down the whole company, but I mean, if there's
already talks of just shifting around some leadership, maybe that.
Speaker 2: Is WB's on the ropes though, man Like they are
already on the ropes, so that, yeah, they takeing a
couple pressures. The pressure's on, and obviously, you know, part
of this is like Mickey seventeen was, I guess one
of their things, and that's not doing great and all
this so like not looking good.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I truly loved that movie. I know
you absolutely did, and I didn't really because I just
don't keep my finger on the pulse on the box
office stuff. Initially, I was pretty surprised, I think just
by the ratio of to my understanding budget of about
one hundred and twenty million and then domestically made about
nineteen million, like just under twenty mil. That's that's crazy
to me, just because of I mean, I guess maybe
I just think Robert Pattinson is a lot bigger than
he is, or maybe just people i'd know, any what
the fuck this movie was gonna be going into it
or maybe I don't know, earning the vibe for this
type of movie for whatever reason, did not do too
well at the box office. And uh, what was the
other one?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been telling when anyone everyone in my
life go see this freaking movie.
Speaker 1: So and they should.
Speaker 2: I'm doing my part.
Speaker 1: You listening to this right now, you should go check
out Mickey seventeen is a fantastic film. But yeah, they're
so Mickey seventeen. Uh oh, Joker Joker too. That was
the other one that made Yeah, that was not good
nature box office bomb and uh, of course it's like
two projects and pretty close window of release, and then
I would definitely be worried. I think if I if
my position was in those roles like leading up into
Superman and but yeah, like, I don't know, what do
you think about this news?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems strange. So they had, yeah, the idea
that Saffron is gonna get promoted up to like a
higher responsibility role after It's always hard with these people,
you know, when we were talking about Big Dan Lynn
for all those months there, it's like damn, it's those
kind of roles are really hard for us. As like
just citizens of the Earth to like understand kind of
what makes those roles successful and really the work that
they're doing. So it's always hard to say, but like
from what I understand, like I just feel like the
DC stuff is just kind of getting kicked off. We
really don't know how successful this plan is going to
be from Saffron and Gun. Seems like on paper, it
seems like there's a lot of great ideas there, but
we just have to remain to be seen if it's profitable.
So I don't know, it seems like a strange idea
to promote this guy at this point in time. Maybe
he's proven himself with his work prior. Obviously if he
got that role in the first place with DC, he's
clearly done something right. But yeah, I don't know, it
just seems like a bold jump at this point. But
I I from what I also my outlook, I feel
like James Gun's fine on his own to do this
DC thing. It seems like he's especially now that's kicked
off and now that I don't know how much directing
he's gonna do from this point forward, right, So, like
the Superman done directing that is coming out this year
that was his thing, but now he can just really
focus on like being that producer role and getting these
things moved along. So I don't know, maybe he doesn't
need that second chair, maybe he doesn't need his Whaler
two to his Whaler one. He's like good to go there.
But yeah, the promotion does seem like an odd thing,
but obviously, yeah they are. They are on the ropes,
and so maybe it's just like, Okay, the current people
are really not cutting it. So even though this is
maybe a bit of a risk, it's like, you can't
do worse than like these fools that you got in
this position right now, because they're just kind of dropping
the ball in terms of some of these bigger decisions.
So yeah, it's just one of these things. It's really
hard for me to fully contextualize it. But the move
doesn't really make a lot of sense. But also what
they're currently doing doesn't make sense, so you know, try again,
try something different.
Speaker 1: And I mean many times in the past I've completely
forgotten his name just because James gun isn't uh or
is a little but more in the light than Peter
Saffron is, And I feel like part of that is
also I just don't really fully understand what Peter Saffron
does in his role, and even James Gunn to an extent,
you know, like I sits on a.
Speaker 2: Pile of cash, smokes cigars. I don't know what these
guys doing.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I guess good for him. You know,
he's gonna be getting a pretty good pay raise. I
would imagine being the new head of wb but.
Speaker 2: Just with wbn's to spend more money on things that
don't need.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think a part of that too is I mean,
Mickey seventeen one hundred and twenty million dollar budget. It's
a beautiful looking film, but like gorgeous, you don't have
to have one hundred million dollars to make a phenomenal film, clearly,
you know, we see some lower budget films that do super,
super well, and it's it's it's a challenge when your
your base is so high, right, like they basically have
to make to my understanding, double that to make a profit,
because you have to think about all like the marketing
and everything else that goes with the cost of the budget.
But that's just that's a tough bar, you know. I
I guess the idea is you spend more and then
you got bigger profits. But I don't know, it's just
they're so fixated.
Speaker 2: Not an easy role. It's really hard to make these decisions.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not qualified for this, so take everything I
say with the crowd. No one is.
Speaker 2: I think that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we got detail in the chat. What was one
of the comments here? What do you think Superman needs
to make for them to continue? I feel like I'm
still in the realm that it is going to be
a billion dollar film. WHOA, Okay, Yeah, It's just it's
just something about these these big first I guess Origin
movie for like a new main face of a franchise,
Aquaman did it, Wonder Woman did it like like those
those early I guess, not necessarily early, just like the
first big movie for these big characters. I think just
kind of have a trend to go that way. And
I don't know, I haven't heard a lot of word
of mouth. It is a little bit ways away. It
is this year, but maybe like after just some bigger,
bigger promotion stuff comes out with the film, I think
more people will be talking about It's it's Superman. You know,
He's like he's like one of the og Og. Superman
is the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do we know the budget of this movie,
and you get I don't have my keyboard plugged in,
so I can't uh Google.
Speaker 1: You talk to text right now.
Speaker 2: I'm out of ports in my laptop, so that's kind
of can kind of maybe type.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing three hundred and sixty three point eight oh
dollars is way higher than I was expecting. That is insane. Man,
I feel like twenty five, So that's insane.
Speaker 2: And this movie's coming out soon. I feel like I
have not seen much marketing for it yet, so I
don't know. Maybe they're, you know, skimping on the marketing
budget because they spent so much on production itself. Maybe
or maybe that number luds marketing. I'm not sure, but
that is a freaking huge number. So I feel like
this movie's got to make big money to be a success,
which is once again, like a big part of this
reading to this article figuring out what's wrong with WB
is like they're just giving too much money to some
of these movies. And as you mentioned with Mickey seventeen,
maybe that was the case there, but other ones as well,
and like for Superman, that's I mean for any movie ever.
That's a humongous budget. So we'll see what happens there.
But I would think I feel like it's got to
at least make like six hundred million for it to
be like for things to be okay, Yeah, but you know,
probably more aiming for eight hundred million or like, obviously
they want the billion. Every movie wants a billion, But
I think a realistic number would between six hundred eight
hundred million for it to be like, Okay, that was
a decent success. Put some money in our pockets hopefully,
like keep this DC thing going for a bit longer.
But oh boy, that's a that's a rough budget.
Speaker 1: If that's a true number, that is that is crazy.
I think I was expecting something like around two hundred
maybe north of that, maybe under two fifty. But yeah,
I mean clearly people should be worried then that at
Warner Brothers DC. A lot of eggs in the That
is a lot of eggs. That's juniord sixty three point
eight million eggs.
Speaker 2: And there's a birth flu thing going on right now.
Eggs are not easy to come back.
Speaker 1: Specifically a dress details question, I feel like, yeah, eight
hundred would kind of be the goal. Uh in my mind, uh,
with a budget like that to reach.
Speaker 2: But in this uh day and age, you can't just
you can't just casually hit that.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And the detail also said Mickey Saiven,
he was great in theater, like everybody's just gonna see it,
absolutely awesome. Was there something else in this Peter Saffron
uh shebang that I was missing?
Speaker 2: I guess just like if w B does sell off
DC or just like I don't know, if WB just
goes under completely and has to sell off every thing.
I don't I don't. I don't really have an idea
of like who a good buyer would be for that
kind of stuff. My tht would maybe be like an
Amazon or something, But I just feel like I don't
even know. Isn't like laws against monopolies and shit, Like
I feel like that's w'd be so huge. It's hard
for me to imagine that going to one of these
big guys already. But I mean, I don't know, people
break through rules all the time, so maybe that would
just go to freaking Disney or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I feel like the rules just change, you know,
they don't work, so then they just make the change.
Speaker 2: Of the maybe Netflix would scoop that up.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I'm so out of my element when it comes
to like the big company monopoly type size or sorry
that the types of people that are just truly running
the world. And I feel like I found it crazy
when Disney bought Lucasfilm, like even like even back then,
and then they bought Marvel and then they bought Fox,
and that one was just like insane to me. When
we were like actually hearing about some of the numbers
that were being thrown around, like you could say a billion,
you could say a hundred billion. I feel my mind
just can't actually picture what that amount really means.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Amazon they could probably afford it, just just
with how large it is, but uh, I don't know.
It's it's always a weird thing because then you get
into like, I don't know the monopoly rules of But unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope for the DC fans that w can
at least hold on a little bit longer, have some
success here and like you can at least get a
glimpse of this Saffron and gun vision and just get
like at least I don't know, at least five or
six or seven of these projects out and just see
what that vision is and then obviously, if it's profitable,
keep it going. But yeah, I hope for the DC
fans that they can at least get to see this
a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I really want that that Superman project to
just pop off, and I want to be hyped on
Supman again because I really love the Henry Cavill pairing
for Supman, even though I didn't really love those movies,
you know, the Zack Snyder Justice League maybe being my
favorite out of all all those, but uh, yeah, no,
I I really want to be loving this film because
I have a lot of nostalgia with Superman. You know,
we went through that retro to go check that out.
It's on the feeds and just yeah, Christopher Reeve, like
that was one of my early just attachments to the
supermo superhero genre. And of course, like we didn't have
the cinematic universes that we do now, Like now we're
just we're spoiled rotten with with the amount of projects
that we have. But yeah, no, I I I have
a deep place in my heart for for Superman, So
I really hope it succeeds.
Speaker 2: When's that, uh, that old movie coming out.
Speaker 1: I'll get an exact date. I know it's in the.
Speaker 2: Sert July moment.
Speaker 1: Perhaps July eleventh. There we go. That was it?
Speaker 2: June, same day as Tony Hawk's three plus four pro cool?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna choose, Dylan Superman or Tony Hawk
three plus one?
Speaker 2: Stay home and play Tony.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna help get this over eight hundred billion.
Speaker 2: I supported Mickey seventeen. I'll go see that again.
Speaker 1: That's that's respectful, right, Okay? Any final things on these
DC talks or