WEBVTT 1 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.439 Welcome back midnight viewers to follow Malone's weekly round up. 2 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:41.640 I'm found them alone and with me as always is 3 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.840 my own personal alien Stomper Ripley. Any words for the 4 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.280 upcoming Onslaught of Xenomorphs? WHOA, Oh no, I know you 5 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:52.840 can do it, but you've got to remember they have 6 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.679 acid for blood. Keep it in mind. You know, I 7 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.079 have a theory you can tell how good an alien 8 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:01.719 movie is by the potency of its acid blood. Think 9 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.000 about it. And we're thinking about Alien quite a bit 10 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.239 around here, what with the release this weekend of Alien 11 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:10.640 a Romulus. I've seen it, Ripley has not. They weren't 12 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.280 going to let you in this time. There's only so 13 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.840 many times I can sneak you past the same goddamn dosher. 14 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.879 Plus you go bananas every time you see an alien 15 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.359 or an android for that matter. This movie has plenty 16 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:24.640 of a both. So this is gonna be weird episode Gang. 17 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.359 I'm always striving to get you the latest on the 18 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.239 latest releases, and this flick just happened to coen Signed 19 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.920 with recordings by my fellow weirding Way media podcast friends, 20 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.840 The Projection Booth and the Culture Cast, which should be 21 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.640 no surprise to regular listeners of this show that those 22 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.719 are hosted by Midnight Viewing co hosts Mike White and Christashie, respectively. 23 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.319 I usually just guessed on one of their shows. But 24 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.959 since we're a weekly now, thank you, by the way 25 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.760 to everyone for listening. The ratings are significantly up, and 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:58.159 it's nothing but appreciation from me. Anyway, since we're a weekly, 27 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:02.400 we're now prime for crossover episodes, and this is our first. 28 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:04.519 So at the end of the usual nonsense of picks 29 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.959 by Ripley and myself, we'll be talking alien romulus. So 30 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.240 stay tuned. You want to go first? Okay, cool, because 31 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.439 I love your choice. In keeping with the alien theme, 32 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.000 we're going back to the source in both of our 33 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:21.000 choices and both of our films like Alien, sprung from 34 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.000 the mind of writer, director, actor, producer and all around 35 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.439 weirdo mister Dan O'Bannon. Now, if you listen to our 36 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:32.000 anthologies Attack episode about heavy Metal, we talked quite a 37 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.560 bit about mister Obannon, and I encourage you to check 38 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.080 that episode out. Okay, Dan O'Bannon. He was born and 39 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:41.000 raised in Saint Louis, Missouri, and attended USC Film School 40 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.879 in the early seventies, where he co wrote and produced 41 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.080 the visual effects for and starred in a short science 42 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.360 fiction film that was eventually expanded and released as a 43 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:52.840 feature that was Dark Star, and it was co written 44 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.080 and directed by John Carpenter. During this time, Obanon was 45 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:00.000 working on a specscript called Starbeast, which would eventually become Alien. 46 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:04.000 Not only did he provide the original screenplay for that film, 47 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.800 Obandon provided the most important piece of the xenomorph puzzle, 48 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:10.599 the one that made the alien such an enduring character. 49 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.039 While working as a special effects supervisor on Alejandro Jarowski's 50 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.639 Aborted Doune film, Obannon had made the acquaintance of Swiss 51 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:19.680 artist H. R. 52 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:20.199 Giger. 53 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.599 When it came time to make Alien, there was only 54 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.199 one artist in O'Bannon's mind who could design that creature. However, 55 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.360 Obannon had to pay Giger out of pocket for those 56 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.800 Alien designs because the film's producers didn't want them. Nineteen 57 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.240 seventy nine, Obannon's living in Los Angeles, Alien had just premiered, 58 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.120 Heavy Metal was in production, and he was working on 59 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.560 a script that would eventually become Total Recall. During this period, 60 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.960 Obannon noticed the increased presence of LAPD helicopters in the 61 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.360 skies above the frequency of their patrol spurred him to 62 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.439 write the film We're discussing tonight. It's about an attack 63 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.840 helicopter the US government is testing out, and the LAPD 64 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.000 pilot chosen to put the aircraft through its paces in 65 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.479 an urban environment. The helicopter's nickname is the film's title, 66 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:08.199 Blue Thunder. 67 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:10.960 What brings you their support? 68 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:12.360 Kind of like the idea of it. 69 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:16.319 No guns, no kicking indoors, and you know, just quiet. 70 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.160 Oh yeah, well, Frank Murphy policing the air as its. 71 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:32.240 LPs, A spare support turn downs, got a runaway. 72 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.240 I just wanted to say so that that was my fault. 73 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:37.560 I talked Murphy into taking us there. 74 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.519 You're supposed to be stupid, son, don't abuse the privilege, 75 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.199 Roy Scheider is Frank Murphy a lone wolf free? 76 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.399 Oh so, how many regulars come in a French are 77 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:49.160 over a key. 78 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.480 Who's about to become a guinea pig? 79 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.079 I thought it was illegal armed police helicopters. 80 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.000 All I would depend on the circumstance of wasn't it. 81 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:06.120 Columbia Pictures presents Blue Thunder a flying parson that hears 82 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.480 through walls sees in the dark and thinks your thoughts 83 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:15.639 wherever you look at. The guns followed. It was designed 84 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.079 for war touring countries. 85 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.040 One civilian dead for every ten terris. 86 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.759 That's unacceptable ratio unless you're one of the civilians. It 87 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.240 was assigned to American cities. 88 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.000 Talking about crowd controls from. 89 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.160 There, and that's what this special detail is all about. 90 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.480 They told Murphy to test it. They didn't tell him 91 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:39.480 what it was for because it are these compas and 92 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.079 you could run the whole PAM country. Who was behind it? 93 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.079 Where are we federal building? 94 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:45.040 Really? 95 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.800 And you want to find out what's going on in there? 96 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:47.319 Serf? 97 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.439 You hey, you gotta give you a player. 98 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.199 Want why they chose him? 99 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:58.319 He's totally unsuitable for our purpose or anybody? 100 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.680 Well? Why they changed their minds? 101 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:10.720 I never saw this guy before my life. Come on, 102 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:11.199 let's go, f. 103 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:12.040 That's so fast. 104 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:22.920 That's but when Murphy went looking for answers. 105 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.800 Every morning, get back to me of the. 106 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:29.279 Knife, the answer, Oh I h came looking for him. 107 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:37.319 Okay. 108 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:57.399 They had the ultimate weapon and the perfect plan, but 109 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:58.519 Murphy stole. 110 00:06:58.319 --> 00:06:59.319 Their thunder. 111 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.319 Directed by John Badham, whom I used to think of 112 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:18.959 as a journeyman filmmaker, but now having seen all of 113 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.600 his early experimental stuff on Night Gallery, I've been happy 114 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.759 to reappraise his work, and I believe he is really unsung. 115 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.319 The action he's able to capture in this film on 116 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.839 to sit alongside the works of Michael Mann or Michael 117 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.519 Bay for that matter. Roy Scheider lends the film a 118 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.040 sense of gravity heavier than the moon. As pilot Frank Murphy, 119 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.519 He's paralleled by Warren Oates, who manages to obliterate the 120 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.639 stereotypical angry captain character, actually making him someone with depth 121 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:49.720 in humanity. Warren Oates basically Murphy has a trainee partner 122 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.439 in the form of babyface to Daniel Stern, and the 123 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.199 heavy of the film is Malcolm McDowell, who's playing a 124 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.000 US military representative who is making no effort to disguise 125 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.959 his regular English accent. It doesn't compute, but it really 126 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.000 doesn't matter because he is great now. I'd be remiss 127 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.759 if I didn't mention the other film from nineteen eighty 128 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.879 three that starred Daniel Stern and Malcolm McDowell. Weird coincidence, 129 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:16.920 but that film is Alan Arkish's rock and roll comedy 130 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.360 Get Crazy. Which recently came out on Blu Ray, and 131 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.560 you should definitely go pick it up right now. I 132 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.759 know I'm shameless, So what Ripley's pointing out that I'm 133 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.279 only recommending the movie because I happen to appear in 134 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.240 a documentary on that disc, But that is not true. 135 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:34.879 I'm in the documentary because I love that movie and 136 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:36.879 I want everyone to see it. So go pick it 137 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:40.360 up and get crazy. Anyway, Murphy is chosen to test 138 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.399 out the capabilities of the most badass looking helicopter ever made. 139 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.600 Its boxy, and it's long, and it's weird looking. It 140 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.240 kind of looks kit bashed, the way the old special 141 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.159 effects guys would take model kits and just slam a 142 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.960 whole bunch of random parts together onto other models, creating 143 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.440 something new. Blue Thunder is big and unwieldy, and I 144 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.759 fucking love it. They'd ripped this movie off a year 145 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.360 or two later with a show called Airwolf. They had 146 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:13.159 a more streamlined, contoured, aerodynamic, futuristic helicopter and it sucked. 147 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.440 Speaking of spinoff series, Blue Thunder was turned into a 148 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.320 short lived hour long drama with James Farentino replacing Roy 149 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.440 Scheider and Daniel Stern replaced with Dana Carvey. 150 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:26.279 It's wild. 151 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.360 Murphy uncovers a plot to use the helicopter for urban pacification. 152 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.799 The group behind that has been murdering its opposition, so 153 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.120 he steals the copter and tries to get out word 154 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.000 about these batties. What follows is a series of jaw 155 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.799 dropping aerial dogfights with jents and police helicopters and military 156 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:49.240 choppers all above the streets of Los Angeles. It's all practical, 157 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:54.440 it's all real, it's all spectacular, and it's a spectacular film. 158 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.879 But it gets even better when you take into account 159 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:02.600 Dan O'Bannon's first draft. Almost everything in the movie occurs 160 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:07.120 exactly as it does in that script, except over the 161 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.600 course of the film, Frank Murphy is slowly losing his mind, 162 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.960 so in the end, when he steals the helicopter, it 163 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.399 has nothing to do with heroism or exposing a government 164 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.360 plot or an attempt to keep the government from pacifying 165 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.679 the public with a military helicopter. No, no, no, no. 166 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.200 Frank loses his mind entirely and becomes an ultimate villain 167 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:35.200 doing very bad things with Blue Thunder. Apparently it was 168 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.360 written because that increased air presence by the LAPD was 169 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.480 really disturbing to mister Obannon. He found it to be 170 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:46.759 an enormous invasion of privacy. At least terrestrial police were 171 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.039 bound by the property lines. Writing Blue Thunder was his 172 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.039 way of hitting back at them, and in typical Hollywood fashion, 173 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.440 they gave it a happy ending. But it works either way. 174 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:04.759 The movie works Blue Thunder, Gang go get it. Excellent choice. No, no, 175 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:09.639 you're not getting belly robes for it. Ribley is of 176 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.960 late obsays with belly robes. He just figured out that 177 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:14.240 it's a thing. Anyway, we're gonna go into my choice, 178 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:16.759 my Dan O'Bannon choice for this week, and then we'll 179 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.200 head on over to the projection booth and culture cast. 180 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.360 Prior to nineteen sixty eight, if you were to think 181 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.440 of a zombie, it would have been a revivified corpse 182 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.600 under the sway of a voodoo priest or priestess. They 183 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:34.000 were mindless, undead drones doing the bidding of living masters. 184 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.960 But as the majority of societal norms began to crumble 185 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.840 in those late sixties, so too did the image of 186 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.759 what a zombie could be. And that's thanks to George A. 187 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.679 Romero and his film Night of the Living Dead back 188 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.720 coming to get you, Barbara. As it turns out, they 189 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.000 were coming for all of us. Prior to nineteen eighty five, 190 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.399 the number of films with the zombie menace can be 191 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.600 clocked in its seventy about seventy. Since then there have 192 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.759 been some five hundred zombie feature films. That doesn't take 193 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:08.399 into consideration comic books, novels, television shows, all dedicated to 194 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.960 the twenty first centuries first genuine boogeyman, the zombie. Why 195 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.480 did I mention nineteen eighty five and what's happened since then? Well, 196 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:19.559 I'll tell you because on August the sixteenth, nineteen eighty five, 197 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.480 the Return of the Living Dead was released. 198 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:37.840 In the dark of the night, something strange is going on. 199 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:57.120 Why you see that movie Night a Living Dead? Sure? Shop, 200 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:04.440 Well say hello listening from the glove, mister. 201 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:10.039 Things out there dominated you send And now the question 202 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.840 is how do we get them back into the crowd. 203 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:24.519 Frank, we have a little problem. 204 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.639 For ben right, no. 205 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:36.159 Time you want your tongue, boy, If you like this, 206 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:37.840 job is job. 207 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:49.919 Great? Medical science is battling and the. 208 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.679 Suppuzzles because technically you're not alive. 209 00:13:53.919 --> 00:14:00.200 Why do you eat people? Not deeper things. 210 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.480 Is something that's already did well. 211 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:02.960 I don't want to know, Fred, I don't know. 212 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.000 Let me think. It's not a bad question, Burden. In 213 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.200 that movie, they destroyed the brain to kill him. 214 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.159 Is that what they did? The brain right? 215 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.879 Brain right? 216 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:30.879 The military is nervous, usual crapes are confused. 217 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:48.159 Same look, God, why a working now? It's not a 218 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:49.279 bad question, Burden. 219 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.360 It's not a bad question, Burden. It's not a bad question. Bird. 220 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.480 The Return of the Mining Dead. 221 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:00.600 Before we dig into the this movie, we have to 222 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.039 go back to Romero and Night a Living Dead. When 223 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.840 that film wrapped, the film's co writers, George Romero and 224 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.879 John Russo made an agreement that they would each be 225 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.360 allowed to produce their own separate sequels. Romero went on 226 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.039 to create the masterpiece Dawn of the Dead, which was 227 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.559 a continuation of the zombie outbreak through the eyes of 228 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.679 all new protagonists. Russo would later collaborate with two other 229 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.159 Knight of the Living Dead alumni, Russ Streiner and Rudy Ricci. 230 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.639 They created a script and a novel entitled Return of 231 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.279 the Living Dead, which was sent ten years after an 232 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.000 isolated zombie outbreak. As it begins to occur again, and 233 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.679 it also features returning characters and locations from nighto Living Dead. 234 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.639 You can still find the novel I Have One Script 235 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.240 is another story that was purchased by a fellow named 236 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.840 Tom Fox, who intended to make it as a film 237 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:54.120 in three D with Toby Hooper directing. That's Texas Chainsaw 238 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.039 Massacres Toby Hooper. But when a delay in production occurred, 239 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.840 Toby Hooper had to move on because he was already 240 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.200 committed to make the sci fi vampire Flagal Life Force. 241 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.080 Left with no director, Fox turned to Life Forces screenwriter 242 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.759 Dan O'Bannon. Now Obannon balked at the idea of rewriting 243 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.279 a script that took place entirely in a world that 244 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.919 had been shaped and shepherded by George Romero. That's a 245 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:20.679 professional courtesy that most would seem to just abandon in 246 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.480 later years, looking at you, Robert Kirkman. Anyway, Obannon chose 247 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:27.440 to tak the zombies in a whole new direction, simultaneously 248 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.679 commenting on what had come before and creating a whole new, 249 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.519 fresh mythology in this world. Knight of the Living Dead 250 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.159 is a film which was based on real events that 251 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.480 took place at a Pittsburgh, VA hospital involving the two 252 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.200 four or five trioxin chemical and its ability to resurrect 253 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.240 the dead. A group of punkers go to pick up 254 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.679 their friend from his new job at a medical supply warehouse, 255 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.840 which is situated in a burnt out section of Louisville 256 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.480 at the end of a dead end street beside a 257 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:58.039 cemetery and a mortuary. The medical supply place has the 258 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.600 corpses because they were shipped there in some of army snaffu, 259 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.720 and of course those canisters get opened, releasing the trioxin 260 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.680 and the zombies, and the whole thing spirals down into 261 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.960 darkness in a plot that precipitates the end of the world. 262 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:15.759 And if all that isn't tense enough, Obannon zombies are 263 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:20.599 unlike nearly every incarnation before or since, destroying their brain 264 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.960 has no effect at all. These zombies are vocal, they're fast, 265 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.079 they're smart, and they're hungry. 266 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:27.680 Listen. 267 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:29.680 I could go on for hours and hours about this film, 268 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.319 but we've got aliens to get to, so I'll just 269 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.359 hit some of my favorite bits, the important bits, Like suicide. 270 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.920 You know him even if you don't know the character's names. 271 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:43.039 That's Mark Venturini. He's the one driving them all there. 272 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.079 He's got the best line here it is, I mean I. 273 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:46.880 Got something to say. 274 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.359 You know, what do you think this is all about? 275 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:51.759 You think this is a fucking costume. This is a 276 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:52.559 way of life. 277 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:56.640 Mark Venturini was a high school athlete who was goaded 278 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.119 into drama by a high school English teacher, where he 279 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:02.559 ended up playing Awakeye Pierce in a production of mash 280 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:06.400 a performance I would pay any amount of money to see. 281 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.000 He spent his whole career playing assorted thugs and strong 282 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.319 arm tough guys for just because of the way he look. 283 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.640 But horror fans will remember him from Friday the Thirteenth, 284 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.240 Part five, wielding that axe on that snickers love. An 285 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:21.039 annoying guy, you remember him anyway. There's a playful malevolence 286 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.440 to his performance in Returning of the Living Dead. Another 287 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.720 thing I love about this movie is a bit of 288 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.559 a tie or someday I'm gonna get myself a jacket 289 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.000 just like the one Freddie wears in the film. Freddy 290 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.559 is the friend working at the UNED, a medical supply house, 291 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.279 and he has a satin red and silver jacket on 292 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.799 the back. In very fancy cursive font is written fuck you. 293 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:43.599 You have to look twice to see it, but it's 294 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:46.920 definitely there, and it represents a rumor surrounding this film 295 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.519 that I hope is true. When he was told that 296 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.160 any scene with Freddy's jacket in it would be cut 297 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.240 for the television version, and Obannon had a duplicate jacket 298 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.400 made for those scenes where it says television version. I 299 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.759 really hope that one's true. Now I got to talk 300 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:04.640 about the music here, so I have to pause for 301 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.440 a bit of boring autobiography. I snuck into this movie 302 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.240 at the Showcase Cinemas in Revere, Massachusetts. I was twelve, 303 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.119 and the movie fucked me up in a lot of ways, 304 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.680 but putting aside whatever psychological damage it had done, the 305 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.559 first thing I did after leaving the theater was walk 306 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:25.200 to the closest record store and find the soundtrack, and 307 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.200 then I checked the listing on the back Surfing Dead 308 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.079 by the Cramps. That day, I went home with two albums, 309 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.160 The Return of the Living Dead soundtrack and Psychedelic Jungle 310 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.160 by the Cramps. The Cramps are my favorite musical act 311 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.400 of all time, and I know if I hadn't run 312 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.519 into them here, I would have the next year when 313 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.680 Googomuck showed up in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre too soundtrack. Nevertheless, 314 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.759 I have so much appreciation for this soundtrack for not 315 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.720 only introducing me to the Cramps, but widening my till 316 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.480 then narrow musical worldview that seemed to vacillate between top 317 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:01.519 forty and early metal if and Dead. The Cramp song 318 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.279 in this film is used twice, once where our heroes 319 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.559 are barricading themselves inside, and it's played again over the 320 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.720 closing credits. Now here's the thing about the credits. They 321 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.960 use this technique. It's rarely employed these days, but you'd 322 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.119 see it a lot back in the seventies and eighties. 323 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.359 It was like the greatest Hits moments playing while the 324 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:24.759 credits are rolling. At the end of this movie, they 325 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.200 chose to cut all of the funniest moments from the 326 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:32.519 film and sometimes recut things so they were recontextualized and 327 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:36.240 made more humorous. It's a nice little palate cleanser going 328 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.240 out of this movie, but it's helped convince that most 329 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.759 viewers that return to the Living Dead as comedy. Don't 330 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:46.240 get me wrong, it's a very funny film. But this 331 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.720 is a horror movie first and foremost. It has the 332 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.000 blackest of hearts beating at its center. Like I said, 333 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:57.519 it spirals down into darkness in the way most movies 334 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.759 tend to veer away from in the last moments. This 335 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:05.880 is uncompromising, it's terrifying, and it is absolutely devoid of hope. 336 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.319 Any laughs you're getting while the film is playing are 337 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.160 nervous ones at best. Because here's the thing. There have 338 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.119 been dozens of films since the punk explosion of the 339 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.039 seventies attempting to capture the spirit and the feeling of 340 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:20.799 that ethos, and there have been some successes, to varying degrees. 341 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:25.640 I'm thinking of Repo Man specifically, But ever since the nineties, 342 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:28.680 punk has been watered down and diluted to the point 343 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:32.119 of being just another fashion statement because everything claiming to 344 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.640 be punk has seemed to have forgotten a prime component 345 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:39.960 of the original culture, which is nihilism. You want to 346 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.599 talk about no future, This movie is no future large 347 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.799 and it earns every bit of it. The reason they 348 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.440 have those comedy bits playing over the end credits is 349 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.920 otherwise you would be too shattered to walk out of 350 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.720 the goddamn theater. Return to the Living Dead is great. 351 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.880 Go see it right now you've seen it, see it 352 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.720 again and again. It really is one of the best 353 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:05.079 zombie films of all time. You know where that dambies 354 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:07.279 eating brains thing comes from. It's Return a Living Dead. 355 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.279 Go see it again. You got anything else to say, 356 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.000 little lady, You're gonna wrap up the round up and 357 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.240 switch gears and switch satellites. We're gonna head our transmission 358 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:20.599 on over to the protection Booth, Culture Cast Media Circus 359 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.039 and we'll catch you next time. I'll probably wrap up 360 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.319 again after the Romulus, but if I don't, because who knows, 361 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.119 if I will Thank you for joining us. 362 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:37.920 Are you sure you want to do this? The shoes 363 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.960 you want to break and the still highly regulated equipment, 364 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:43.519 this could. 365 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:46.960 Be already take it out. There should be in and 366 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:47.839 out in thoughty minutes. 367 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:58.880 Welcome to the Rocky and House space Station. 368 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:17.799 That's bascise me in the creeps. What the hell is this? 369 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:19.480 I don't know? 370 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:44.200 The fuck was I? Yo? Stop playing around? Man to 371 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.119 get out? Playing around the some in the water. What 372 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.160 do you mean there's something. 373 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:48.240 You don't know? 374 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:49.799 It's just something in the fucking war. 375 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:59.440 You run. 376 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:14.240 You all right? 377 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:25.880 Don't work, never work. 378 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:40.599 You don't know what whatever comes once they sit together. 379 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:51.240 Dress Girl, any. 380 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:58.599 Kind any fagend four three. 381 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:15.160 Two Welcome to the Projection Booth with a special crossover 382 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.799 with both the Culture Cast and Midnight Viewing. On this 383 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.519 special episode, we were talking about Alien Romulus, directed by 384 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:28.960 Fetti Alvarez and written by Alvarez as well as Rodo. Sayah, Gwest, 385 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.680 that's my best guest on that one. This is a 386 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:36.440 sequel to Alien, a prequel to Aliens, prequel to Alien three, 387 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.880 prequel to Alien four, five, six, and seven. There's all 388 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.039 the alien stuff in here, which was pretty surprising for me, 389 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.240 a brand new movie. Excited to talk about this one 390 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.599 with you guys. So, Chris, tell me what were your 391 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.599 thoughts on Alien Romulus? 392 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.759 So I think, as we normally do in these episodes, 393 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.000 let's do pre spoilers in any of this conversation and 394 00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:02.000 then we'll talk all about this boil bullshit. I look, 395 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.119 I think I am a little younger than both of y'all. 396 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.319 Alien is a franchise that I not was raised to 397 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.119 care about, but I was still of an agent of 398 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.279 a time and of a place to catch Alien and 399 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.960 see Alien kind of when Alien was still a thing 400 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.119 that people were talking about. I don't It's not that 401 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.480 I don't think people are not talking about Alien right now, 402 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.400 far from it. It's just if an Alien sequel comes 403 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.200 out ten years from now, will have the turnout that 404 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.000 this one did? Is the question, because there are going 405 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.039 to be less and less people unless they continue to 406 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.920 make good Alien movies that are inherently invested in the franchise. 407 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.000 And I know that Prometheus and Covenant are kind of 408 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.200 maybe when I'm alluding to, because this movie is also 409 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.359 a sequel to those movies. He sunned up of everything else. 410 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.319 So I enjoyed it. I think that it has its 411 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:53.039 pretty glaring issues, but I think, look, you know, I 412 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.079 think my you know, one word summary is it's the 413 00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.720 best Alien movie I've ever seen in theaters. But that's 414 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.440 a pretty low bar across in a lot of ways. So, 415 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.039 Father Malone, what about you. 416 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:08.880 I love Alien Isolation the video game. It is so 417 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:14.319 much fun and so scary and is so evocative of 418 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.359 the original Alien, and this movie is very evocative of 419 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:21.680 that video game. I think if fed A Alvaz is 420 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.880 a fan of that game obviously, and a lot of 421 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.279 the design work is just built right in the whole 422 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.240 scenes and stuff. Let me preface everything by saying, I 423 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.599 really was excited for an alien movie for the first time, 424 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.759 and I don't know how many years, twenty years more, 425 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.559 And all I took away from it ultimately was I 426 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.160 really want to go play Alien Isolation again, which is 427 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.200 a drag. I mean, look, the movie has a lot 428 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.359 of good points. There's a lot of good good stuff 429 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.599 in it. But ultimately, where this movie breaks down for 430 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.319 me on a very fundamental level is there's not one 431 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.640 interesting character and there is not one charming actor in 432 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:04.319 this entire movie. It's it is akin to watching cut 433 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.759 scenes from a video game, honestly, and no disrespect to 434 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.799 these actors, but like they're all miscast and they're all 435 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.359 cast too young. Anyway, we'll get into it. That's I 436 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.680 was disappointed by this movie. I'm gonna watch it again, 437 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.640 probably just because I'm a Mascus, but it does look 438 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:23.119 beautiful and I love feed Alvarez, but this ain't no 439 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.079 Evil Dead remake. Like I was shocked at the poor quality. 440 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.920 Here a boy, you, mister Mike White, Well, okay, I 441 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.839 mean let's be honest here, tell me everything you know 442 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.559 about Navarro, what did you just say, tell me everything 443 00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.079 you know about Navro, the character Navro, Oh, played by 444 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.839 Eileen Wu She's got short hair. 445 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.519 Oh, I know that they ruined the entire scene that 446 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.079 her character has in the movie and the trailers. That's 447 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:50.559 what I know. 448 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:52.960 Oh yeah, oh with the X ray machine. 449 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.839 Yeah yeah, they ruined that in the trailer. And yeah, 450 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.119 that's all I know because that's that's all her character 451 00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.720 is used for in the movie as well. And that's 452 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.000 not a spoiler. That's literally if you watch the trailer 453 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.440 for this movie, you see what they're doing. They just 454 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.960 what's an alien movie? It's gonna have a chess burster, 455 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.319 no shit movie, No fucking way, it's gonna be an 456 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.680 alien movie without a fucking chests person, right, count on 457 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:14.720 one hand the things that are guaranteed to be in 458 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.440 an alien movie at this point, chessbursters are one of them. 459 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.480 Well, I don't even know if this is an alien movie. 460 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.880 This is more of a face hugger. 461 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.880 Movie, really, it really is. 462 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:25.240 Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 463 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.440 I mean there's hundreds and hundreds of face huggers in 464 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.279 this movie, which is wild. 465 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:33.920 It's like hundreds of hundreds of beavers, but with face 466 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.279 Huggers instead, but I. 467 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.599 Would rather watch hundreds of beavers any day of the 468 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:43.960 week were over Alien Romulus. I really felt betrayed by 469 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.039 this movie because it starts off very strong for me. 470 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.240 I was really enjoying the scenes of Kaylee Spainey and 471 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.920 David Johnson. I think his portrayal of Andy. I really 472 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.480 liked that portrayal. I don't know how he does that 473 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.039 with this face where he makes himself look sad and 474 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.319 confused all the time. I was trying to do that, 475 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.480 but I don't know. I don't think my forehead moves 476 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.720 nearly as much. And I haven't even had my boatox 477 00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.880 this week. Yeah, it's so by the numbers after a while. 478 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.160 And then just all of the fan service with all 479 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.119 of the lines and just the I mean even the 480 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.119 movie just starts off looking almost exactly like Aliens with 481 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:28.319 the salvage ship, but instead of rescuing Ripley, they're rescuing 482 00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.480 the alien who, which was very tough for me to see. 483 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.920 I had no idea what was going on. In the 484 00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.279 first little bit. When they pulled in this thing, I'm like, 485 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:37.400 is that an egg? 486 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:38.640 What is it? 487 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.519 And they're cutting through it. I'm just like I don't 488 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.359 know what this is. I was really having a hard 489 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.720 time seeing things in this movie. It's so dimly lit, 490 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.880 and there were times on the spaceship where I'm like, 491 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.000 are there lights still operational? Can you turn on some lights? 492 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.359 Because I'd really like to see that. Like even in 493 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.759 the station on LV four twenty six, where you know 494 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.640 the colonists are all that, there's a lot more lighting 495 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.960 in that colony, even though it's completely desolated than there 496 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:10.279 is on this space station, which I don't understand again 497 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.960 why it's called alien Romulus because the ship is the 498 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.759 Romulus and the remiss. I'm just like, Okay, I guess 499 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.440 it's cool. I guess it sounds cool. So I think 500 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.559 that's the whole motivator of this movie. 501 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:24.720 Is it's cool. 502 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.200 It's gonna look cool, it's gonna be cool if we 503 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.240 make this reference. Let's make this reference. And yeah, I'm 504 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.079 excited to talk about spoilers because there's one that happens, 505 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.799 and that for me is the turning point to the movie. 506 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.599 Oh, is that the one thing that we're just waiting 507 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.880 with baited breath to talk about because it feels like 508 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.160 someone just coming up to you at the playground and 509 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.559 punching you in the face repeatedly and saying this doesn't 510 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:50.440 hurt at all. Right, it's fine, You're fine, everything's fine here, 511 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.960 like Ian Holme as it. 512 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:54.920 Okay, we're in spoiler. 513 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.200 Yeah, yes, there's no fucking way to avoid this shit 514 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.319 at this point. But from here on out spoilers, because yes, I've. 515 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.240 Been thinking, danced around for a while, there's a lot 516 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.880 going on in this troubling. The ian Home fucking came. 517 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.480 Yeah, but the ian Home thing is like, it's the 518 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.119 bridge too far for me. And it happened so early 519 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.640 on in the movie, and it happened so frequently in 520 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.480 the movie that you know, look, Peter Cushing in Rogue 521 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.000 one was one thing and it was literally one thing, 522 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.880 one or two scenes if that, like it was not. 523 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.359 There were more than two scenes. Oh got that movie? 524 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.200 I mean, that's what I said exactly when the credits 525 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.559 started rolling. And by the way, folks, there's nothing after 526 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.720 the end credits. Don't bother to wait around like I did. 527 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.480 I took the bullet for you. As soon as the 528 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.839 credits started to roll. I said, this was like Rogue one. 529 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:44.839 And then Alien Romulus came in and said, oh you 530 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.960 think that that looked horrific and just living in the 531 00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.960 Uncanny Valley. Well, here hold my beer, because I'm going 532 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.960 to make this worse than Princess Leah and grahamov Tarken 533 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.920 all in one with whatever the fuck they were doing 534 00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:58.599 with Ian Holme. 535 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.559 Well, look, he's a robe. See like he's in an 536 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.039 alien in the alien universe. We always have to have 537 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.599 a robot movie. You have a robot. David Johnson is 538 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.799 a robot. We don't need to see the ghoulish specter 539 00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:16.000 of ian Holm dragged out and paraded around over and over, 540 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.680 and oh it's happened so much that he's not just 541 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.960 a cameo. He's essentially the main villain of the movie, 542 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.960 which again, that makes it more of a Prometheus movie 543 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.160 than it makes it anything else, because Prometheus and Alien 544 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.720 Covenant are pretty much just about the robots, which, honestly, 545 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.680 you know, the dude's over read letter media. I think 546 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:39.039 you know, they kind of, you know, really laid into 547 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.480 Prometheus a long time ago. And I think Prometheus and 548 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.880 Govenant are better movies than Romulus because at least they're 549 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.039 movies that are different. Oh no, I get it, I 550 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:50.519 get that, I am I get that I am in 551 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.400 the minority on this, but Alien Romulus, the fan service 552 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.480 stuff that they did is more of an affront to 553 00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.680 me personally than the missteps and problems that Prometheus and 554 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.759 Covenant are just making, and Prometheus less so than Covenant. Okay, 555 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.799 Prometheus is at least kind of a movie that's different 556 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.280 than everything else. This is just Alien with some Aliens, 557 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:14.639 a little bit of Alien three at the beginning, and 558 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.880 then oh, by the way, you guys like Resurrection, We're 559 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.480 going to give you something that is Resurrection levels of 560 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.679 insanity in the last ten minutes of this movie. Hold 561 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.280 let me one up the wildest thing in Alien in 562 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.960 the entire Aliens franchise with something so beyond that it's 563 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.599 that's another thing we're going to talk about, I'm sure, 564 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.960 But Father Malone, I want to let you you speak 565 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.480 broadly about this, because yeah, there's more than just the 566 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.599 Ian Holme problem, obviously. 567 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.960 But let me address the home problem. I admired the 568 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.800 daring in trying it. And if they had built an 569 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.639 animatronic and not done any CGI at all and had 570 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.719 a fucked up animatronic that was spasming and crazy, because 571 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.800 they could do it. Now they can deprint something that's 572 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.280 Ian fucking Home, and they could they could, you know, 573 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.960 put mechanisms in it to do every little facial twitch 574 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.000 and whatever, and wouldn't even have to be that good 575 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.360 because it's a broken down Android. Had they pulled that off, 576 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.800 I think I would have known, okay, But because they 577 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.159 kept doing photo realistic, deep fake Ian Home, where again 578 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.760 it's to me, it's it's what's funny is when he's 579 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.280 in the scene with the other characters, it's not as 580 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.119 bad for me as when they cut to him on 581 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.760 a video screen like advising them, because when they ever 582 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.039 they do that, it really feels like a cut scene 583 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.679 for a video game, and it's it's googlish. 584 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.039 At that point, it totally reminded me, Like, I'm not 585 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.559 a big video gamer and so I didn't play Isolation, 586 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.119 but even me as a non gamer, when he would 587 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.599 show up on screens, I'm like, oh, is this like 588 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.400 the Red Queen in Resident Resident Evil where she would 589 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.119 show up on screens be like you're trying too hard, 590 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.159 you must do this or something. Just she felt he 591 00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.360 felt like an avatar for the video game in and 592 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.599 telling you what needs to happen next. 593 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.840 Gladdos from portal adjacent and you know Father Malone, Alien 594 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.400 Isolation is I mean, yeah, I mean I've played it. 595 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.840 You've played it. It's fucking amazing like it in a 596 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.039 lot of ways, it is the sequel, you know, you 597 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.719 know Father Malone. You and I I think I sent 598 00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.559 you a PlayStation over the pandemic, right, and so it did, yeah, 599 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.039 and so I and some of this is like, well, yeah, 600 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:26.719 like you were able to play some of that because 601 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.039 like those things were like things that are not It's 602 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.119 not that they're not hard to get, but it's they're 603 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.760 kind of ways back in terms of the release cycle 604 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800 of stuff. But Alien Isolation is still the best sequel 605 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.880 to Alien that's ever come out, similarly to the way 606 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.719 that that Ghostbusters video game that came out is the 607 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.199 best sequel to Ghostbusters, because it's like, this is people 608 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.840 making it that understand what the purpose of the original 609 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.000 source material was, and they're building on it in a 610 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.440 way that doesn't feel forced and it doesn't feel ham 611 00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.960 fisted because they have plenty of time to so much 612 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.119 easier to do fan service in a video game because 613 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.199 you don't have to. It's not that you don't have 614 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.679 to hang a lantern on it, but you don't have 615 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.760 to hang a lantern on it constantly because it's just there, 616 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.360 and it's just there in a movie. When they keep 617 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.559 coming back to it over and over and over again, 618 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.400 it's like, oh my god, did no one in the 619 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.119 test screenings think that this was too much? Did no 620 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.280 one in the test I don't know who they're screening 621 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.800 these movies for, because if they had screened this movie 622 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.679 for you or I or anyone else who has a 623 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.000 little bit of an issue with this AI deep fixed up, 624 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.199 they would have said, take this out of the movie, 625 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.840 do something with this, do anything but this, because it's 626 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.559 so distracting and it gets in the way of the 627 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.079 movie doing anything interesting or different. Because like I just 628 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:44.360 keep constantly being reminded of a better movie at every turn. 629 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:45.840 Let me double again, Oh. 630 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.320 Go ahead, let me double down to my my, my 631 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:53.159 opening statement, the Ian Holme problem and the plot problems 632 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.719 and the sort of too often reflecting the earlier better 633 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:04.599 movies would have been softened had we had adults in 634 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:10.599 roles here, yes, and had we had charming actors. I 635 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.880 like Kyley Spanney as well. I enjoy her work, but 636 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.960 she is not Ellen Ripley and they're kind of making 637 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.719 her Ellen Ripley here, and it's a big mistake shouldering 638 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.159 this movie on her is I don't know, it's not 639 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.960 a good idea. But then the entire cast other than 640 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.239 Andy the Android, by the way, they break the cycle here. 641 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.280 If you go through the Alien movies, they're the the 642 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.679 androids have been named alphabetically. So there's Ash and then 643 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.360 Bishop and then Call and then David and then and 644 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:47.159 now Andy. 645 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:53.559 Yeah yeah, and it's before yeah, and then you've got Rook. 646 00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.159 Now Ash's Rook. And I'm just like it, is this 647 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.599 a it's a chess reference to Bishop? 648 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:01.199 Yeah? 649 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:01.639 Yeah? 650 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.079 But why because and I want to put out a 651 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:12.000 conspiracy theory here. There was a contest that twenty Century 652 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.119 Fox and a group called Hungle Too n GL put 653 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:22.360 together back in twenty eighteen or a fortieth anniversary of 654 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.960 Alien in twenty nineteen. They were series of six films 655 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.920 that were written by fans, shot by fans, made by fans. 656 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:36.199 I believe, And yeah, I think that they probably took 657 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.079 some of these fan ideas and made them into a 658 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.119 full length movie. I'm looking to see if the co 659 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.039 writer is listed on any of these, because this just 660 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.480 feels like a big fucking fan film just feels like, oh, well, 661 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.559 we'll pay service to everything. We'll even mix in some 662 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.719 of this coming to Prometheus horseshit that we have with 663 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.679 this black oil which I saw in X Files twenty years. 664 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.480 Ago, So how dare you bring them x Files in 665 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.320 this conversation? That's a much better usage of black oil 666 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.119 than this could have ever begun to. But that is 667 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.039 what they fucking copied there totally. I mean, as anyone 668 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.400 who's watched the X Files, wouldn't that happen in Prometheus? 669 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.639 That's all I could think then. And now it's like, 670 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.320 does anybody in this audience fucking care that they're connecting 671 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:18.199 it to Prometheus? 672 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.639 Like you know who did Ridley Scott? And they did 673 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.480 that for him. I guarantee you for those every Prometheus 674 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.679 references and go see we're connecting it all. And it's like, Okay, 675 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:28.920 Ridley's happy. We can make the rest of our movie. 676 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.360 But the problem is, Chris, as you said, that Alien 677 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.960 Isolation video game is the best sequel to the Alien 678 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:39.239 franchise that that we never got, and why didn't they 679 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.440 just make that the Alien Isolation. The plot line in 680 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.360 that is Amanda Ripley went looking for mom and ended 681 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.320 up on this space station that is overrun with aliens 682 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.480 and you're playing as Amanda Ripley, Like it's. 683 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.519 A natural Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because the game 684 00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:59.239 already exists. 685 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.239 I know, like is there a rights issue where like 686 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.760 they want to make their own shit or something like, 687 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.360 and you know, Feeddey Alvarez wanted to do an original 688 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.880 but like but then like he pulls so heavily from 689 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.280 the fucking game, even to the point if I don't 690 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.000 know if you noticed, Chris, but like this, anytime there's 691 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.039 a save portion in the game, it's one of the 692 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:22.679 like the the intercom things on the wall, and every 693 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.960 time you save the game, some shit's about to go down. 694 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.280 And he does that in the movie. He like he'll 695 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.760 close up the fucking intercom and then like suddenly swarm 696 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.840 of face huggers. So he's drawing inspiration from the game. Anyway, 697 00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:36.480 just make the game into the movie. 698 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.280 I think it's because this whole thing of the Ghostbusters, 699 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.119 Afterlife and the you know, the Star Wars force awakens 700 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.800 of it all. It's like this is the way these 701 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.000 movies are made now, which is we got to have 702 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:53.599 all this fan service nonsense that in like in the universe, 703 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:55.800 Why would he say get away from her, you bitch? 704 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.599 It makes no sense. It's it's it's this is not 705 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.320 dead and Wolverine like, what the fuck? You can't You 706 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.719 can't do that in this kind of movie. This movie's 707 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.159 being played straight This movie's being played straightforward. There's no 708 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.440 fourth wall breaking, there's none of that. Why would he 709 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.239 say that that hasn't even happened yet We're still thirty 710 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.719 years removed from that happening because this is only twenty 711 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.559 years after Alien, which means it's still thirty seven years 712 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.159 before Ripley gets found because she's in space for fifty 713 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.599 seven years. So did she say it? Because he said it? 714 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.239 Like I don't fucking understand, and you know the I 715 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.920 prefer artificial person. That line makes sense, It makes perfect sense, 716 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.000 Like I get that entirely, because that's that makes more 717 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.719 sense than get away from her, you bitch. But it's 718 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.079 like just with the Ian holme of it all and 719 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.639 everything else, like fan service needs to have a point 720 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.360 within the construct of the movie itself. Otherwise it's just 721 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.119 out there for the fans and it's like, well, are 722 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.199 you sacrificing telling an interesting story just to have bullshit 723 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.920 on screen that's already been on screen before. Yes, and 724 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.159 that's how you get Ghostbusters. Afterlife with a CGI, Harold 725 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.719 ramis running around like, I don't understand putting fan service 726 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.599 before engaging storytelling, or to your point, Father Malone, engaging 727 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.559 and creative character development and character creation, because nobody but 728 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.400 Andy in this movie is an interesting character period. 729 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.840 It's a Friday, the thirteenth movie in the Alien Universe. 730 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.119 It's a bunch of teenagers going off to the scary 731 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:23.719 place and then oh no aliens. 732 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:25.239 Yeah no. 733 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.079 I was thinking of Evil Dead like You the remake, 734 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.400 which I am not a fan of. I thought that 735 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.920 the second Evil remake, however you want to put that in, 736 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.079 which I thought was Fetti Albarez, but found out that 737 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:39.519 it's not. 738 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:41.039 I like that one. 739 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.559 I thought that was actually pretty good and was like, oh, well, 740 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.360 this is really nice and gross. So when the I 741 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.280 mean the one character who's pregnant, that's all you need 742 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.920 to know about her, because that's all she is, is 743 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.639 just a pregnant person. I was like, all right, well 744 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.440 she somehow, somehow the alien is going to get in 745 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.039 there and we're gonna have that moment like you know, 746 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.320 Dawn of the Dead remake where the corpse baby comes 747 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.639 out of the woman. We're going to get that somehow, 748 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.519 or like an alien baby in this case. How are 749 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.599 we going to do that? Because I'm just like trying 750 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.840 to figure out what the alien life cycle and all this. 751 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.239 That's where the black goo comes in. I'm just like, oh, okay, 752 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.159 that's how we're going to do that. Don't put that 753 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.000 in your system. Okay, I won't put it right in. 754 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.119 And then the alien life cycle, which I thought I 755 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.880 was pretty familiar with. I guess I missed the wall 756 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.400 vagina part. Didn't know that that was a thing. 757 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.400 You know what. 758 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.719 I actually liked that. I thought that was so fucking 759 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:40.400 gieger like that. And you know, just because we haven't 760 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.599 seen one of the life cycles doesn't mean it didn't exist. 761 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.719 So and these are like, ultimately, these are genetic clones. 762 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:50.079 There's no queen here. These have all been harvested from 763 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:55.159 the genetic contents of the original alien big chap, Yeah, 764 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.719 big yeah, that's the thing I think, Hayden, the big 765 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.519 chat Okay. You know, look, we got a movie starts 766 00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.920 with the salvage ship finding them remains in this stromo. 767 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.639 It's great, right, It's like John's two when they find 768 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:08.599 the orca at the bottoms. 769 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.280 It's like my favorite film in the draft franchise, Jurassic 770 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:17.000 World Dominion. Wow, I'm just I'm fucking or Falling Kingdom. 771 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.840 I'm joking because that's how falling. That's literally how Fallen 772 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.559 Kingdom opens. They go to Jurassic World to get a 773 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.360 dinosaur toothed, and then the entire movie is based off 774 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.679 of that. Like Legacy, sqel box checked again like it's 775 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.199 not bad here, but it's no because they've done it 776 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:29.960 a bunch of times. 777 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.079 This is integrable to the plot at least, right except 778 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.000 I agree, except Ripley had escaped in the Narcissus and 779 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.000 was so fucking far away from that thing when it exploded, 780 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.280 and then shot the thing with a harpoon and then 781 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:47.719 blasted with the engines, which meant that alien was tumbling 782 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.159 on through space forever and ever and ever. They were 783 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.199 never going to find that. As much as I liked 784 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.760 seeing him and thinking like, oh, all the villains in 785 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.480 this are going to be from that guy from the 786 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.000 original movie. Okay, that's kind of cool, and I did 787 00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:07.639 like the mirroring of aliens in that case, like a 788 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.679 crew went out and found Ripley, but before that, a 789 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:11.960 crew went out and found the alien, because that's more important. 790 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:13.480 Like I like that plot wise. 791 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.599 It also reminded me of Superman Returns where he goes 792 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.960 out and I think they cut this out of the movie, 793 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.840 or maybe they didn't, where he goes out to find 794 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.039 Krypton and sees that it is exploded. But yeah, I 795 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.280 agree with you that alien corpse would have been so 796 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.679 far away from the Nostromo it doesn't make sense where 797 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.559 it is. I'm not going to quibble about the physics 798 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.440 of that, because, like you say, we don't know certain things, 799 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.320 you know, Like I'm not going to get into other 800 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.440 than my one thing about the wall Vagina too much 801 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.880 about that because yeah, I forgot I remember Harry Dean's Stanton. 802 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.679 I think picking up the skin of the first one 803 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:57.440 in the first movie, and so we know that it sheds, 804 00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.440 we know that it grows. We never really see that 805 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.840 middle part of its life cycle before becomes a parent, 806 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.320 but before it becomes a real alien. And yeah, it's 807 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.599 for all intentsive purposes, a male alien, So calling it 808 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.440 a bitch doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. 809 00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.719 And there's none of that gravitas as far as Ripley 810 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.239 protecting Newt and having this other mother who is threatening 811 00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.280 her and this other mother who has destroyed this entire 812 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.199 planet of LV four twenty six, and all of these 813 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.320 people that Ripley knows. I mean, how well written is 814 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.199 Aliens that you care about, characters like Drake and a 815 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.719 Phone and all of these guys in that intro, whereas 816 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.400 with this one. Yeah, a bunch of dead meat teenagers 817 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.519 who I don't know and I don't care to know, 818 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.760 and they don't tell me anything about them. 819 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:49.599 That one guy has a really heavy British accent. 820 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.159 There's something in the waw Now shut the fuck up? 821 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.960 How many times have I heard that in the trailers? 822 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:57.760 Anything? 823 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.920 Of speaking of fan service, would you guys some corn bread? 824 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.039 Don't mind my drinky bird. 825 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:05.559 Opening scene? 826 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.079 I was like, oh no, And we're not gonna be 827 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.480 doing this the whole time, are we? 828 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:11.079 Oh? 829 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:11.480 We are? 830 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.239 Well, here's the thing, though, it's an interesting question how 831 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:15.880 much of the fan service is him and how much 832 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.880 of the fan service is just studio meddling. Is that 833 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.760 a thing that we could say, like, oh, Disney wanted 834 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.079 and home in the movie, like Disney wanted all that shit. 835 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.519 Like I'm let me put it this way. Fetti Avarez 836 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.840 made and wrote with roto psygiis the Evil Dead remake, 837 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.360 which you're mileage is gonna very clearly between the three 838 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.599 of us, it's a better movie than this movie and 839 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.079 just beach over the head with the fucking fan service 840 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.280 like this movie does. I wonder if some of this 841 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.800 is just the Disney of it all, which, boy, wouldn't 842 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:52.480 that be fucking fun, because I would echo Deadpool and Wolverine. 843 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.159 That movie's problems. A lot of it comes from what 844 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.000 I believe to be meddling of a studio that doesn't 845 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.840 really understand what they have and never has, which is 846 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:03.079 why they didn't own it up until the last couple 847 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.639 of years. And now that they do their meddling, maybe 848 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.000 getting in the way of these things actually having a 849 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.119 soul of their own, as opposed to feeling prperty and soulless, 850 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.159 which is kind of the way Deadpool and Wolverine felt 851 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.239 at times. And this feels really like that. This this 852 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.559 feels like a fan film with a massive budget, Like 853 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.400 you guys liked Alien right, you like thean Holme, you 854 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:29.360 like the Newborn in Resurrection. I don't know who liked 855 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.119 the Newborn and Resurrection other than Born. 856 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.320 I like Resurrection a lot. 857 00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:34.800 It's a fun movie. 858 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.800 Yeah, you know, I think I like res I mean, 859 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:41.320 Resurrection to me is in all of the movies that 860 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.599 we've been talking about, other than Aliens, I think that's 861 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:44.639 one of my favorites. 862 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.760 I mean, it's kind of like it's kind of Aliens esque, 863 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.719 like it's it's pretty much just another Aliens, but with 864 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.239 you know, space Pirates as opposed to colonial Marines. I'm 865 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.800 with you, Like I was being flippant about the Newborn, 866 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.320 but the Newborn is actually like the first interesting thing 867 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.119 they did movies is what it felt like, like, I mean, 868 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.760 Aliens is great, but Aliens sets that standard. Alien three, 869 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.840 Alien three is Alien three, and I don't want to 870 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.280 draw the ire of the Alien three fan base. Its 871 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.679 know how we know how excessive they can be with 872 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:16.719 their love and hatred of people that do and don't 873 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:17.440 like that movie. 874 00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.360 So screw up when you're talking about it being puppets 875 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:22.280 rather than CG. 876 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.880 So yeah, sorry, but Resurrection has an interesting, weird fucking 877 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.559 thing at the end. Of it like this movie does. 878 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.480 It's just it was done better in Resurrection and here 879 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.639 it's just it's like a mix of It's like mixing 880 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.280 everything into a way. It's like going to a soda 881 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.079 fountain and getting all the things in the cup and 882 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.159 being like, this is gonna taste good, right, It's like, no, 883 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.199 it's gonna be a lot. And none of this was 884 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.960 really fine tuned and calibrated to be in the same 885 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.440 thing together. And that's apparent when Alien and Prometheus are 886 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.639 existing on the same screen together and one of those 887 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.960 things definitely fucking doesn't feel like the other, that being 888 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.119 everything from Prometheus. When they go into that lab, I 889 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.360 was just like, oh God, here we go. This is 890 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.440 where the movie does the thing, right, this is where 891 00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.480 they're going to do the thing with the Prometheus stuff. Yep, man, yep. 892 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.880 It's like the telegraph everything. Why don't you movie please. 893 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.039 Well, there's nothing to telegraph because it's almost just the 894 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.480 greatest hits of the previous Alien movie, right. I will 895 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.360 say this, I liked The Newborn here better than I 896 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.760 like it from Resurrection, just because I think it was 897 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.119 creepier here and better executed. Because the man in the 898 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:32.119 suit in that thing. It's so poorly articulated. The the 899 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.320 Newborn in Resurrection, like I almost wish that had been 900 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.679 CG instead. But there are some things that I like 901 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.199 in this movie, and I like that newborn scene here. 902 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:44.119 I like the even though that character is pregnant, she 903 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.679 follows two stories to a point where I actually thought 904 00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.559 the character was dead when when she fell that far, 905 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:53.440 I went, oh, man, that's a that's tough that she 906 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.280 died that way in an alien movie. But so I 907 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.119 like that sequence. I like I like when whenever they 908 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:03.760 show the alien is doing intelligent things, Like there's a 909 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.480 scene with where we first encountered the adult alien where 910 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:11.159 with that girl where it's chasing her and they want 911 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.159 she wants to be let in through the air lock 912 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.920 and the android won't let it in because he can 913 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.480 see the alien sitting there because it wants it to open. 914 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.159 It wants them to open the door. And just moments 915 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.400 like that are great, Like I wish there had been 916 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.159 a movie like that, a cat and mouse game with 917 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:29.159 an alien like instead of you know, like I said, 918 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.440 the greatest hits of everything that came before. I also 919 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.920 do like these zero G acid Blood sequence. 920 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.400 That was nice that was a nice kind of show 921 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.039 piece that they had, and it was nice that they 922 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.880 built it up earlier in the film, and I kept thinking, Okay, 923 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:45.960 that's going to come back later on, but I wasn't 924 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:48.320 sure how they would have it. So when it was 925 00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.320 with the acid blood, I was like, Okay, yeah, that works, 926 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.920 and that's pretty nice. And the way that she uses 927 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.960 the gun to propel herself around was was pretty cool 928 00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:57.360 as well. 929 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.880 And speaking of acid blood, I like their treatment of 930 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.519 the acid block. Every each movie seems to dilute more 931 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.719 and more that like what the what the acid will do? 932 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.960 Like in the first film, like a drop of it 933 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.000 like goes through three decks of their ship. They're worried 934 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.159 it's going to breach the hull. And then you know, 935 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.760 in each successive things, people are getting sprayed with it 936 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:19.519 and they're like, oh, I'll be okay, just wipe it 937 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:23.760 off like no, and and here it's corrosive as goddamn hell. 938 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:25.119 I love that aspect of it. 939 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.199 Yeah, Bill Paxson gets showered in a fair amount of 940 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.599 it in Aliens and he's fine. But Drake, on the 941 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.519 other hand, gets a face full of it and is dead, 942 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:33.800 unequivocally dead. 943 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:35.920 I think you mean Hicks, sir. 944 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.239 Oh, yeah, you know. I want to go back to 945 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.800 the thing about the characters, because I watched Aliens last night, 946 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.719 and that movie takes forty five minutes to get going, Okay, 947 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.239 go good. 948 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.920 I love it. I love the length. And when you're 949 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.039 watching the director's cut, it's almost an hour before those 950 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:54.280 Aliens ever show up. 951 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.599 And it's and exactly so that was the version I 952 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.159 watched last night, the two and you know, thirty four 953 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.159 two and thirty four minute version. And the movie spends 954 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:05.760 so much time getting its legs underneath it to make 955 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.320 sure that you care about everything that's about to be 956 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:12.039 happening through the characters that they've introduced, be it you know, 957 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.920 the guy loading the missiles onto the ships, to the 958 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.400 woman who's the pilot of the little aircraft carrier thing 959 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:20.960 or the little ship that goes down from the Sulaco, 960 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.000 like all of that. They spend all the time and effort, 961 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:29.039 and this movie is an hour two hours long like it, 962 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.360 and it does nothing with any of the characters we've mentioned. 963 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.639 Kaylee Spanny, she's in a better movie. This is the 964 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:36.280 best movie I've seen her in this year that she's 965 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.960 been in that's not hard given that the last thing 966 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.000 that we talked about, the Three of Us was it 967 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.960 the last thing we talked about maybe two times ago 968 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.360 with Civil War, and she was in that and she 969 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.039 was completely under used in that movie to the point 970 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.719 of like not that she didn't need to be in it, 971 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.880 but she didn't wasn't given much to do. And I 972 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:55.519 think that's kind of the point in a lot of 973 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.480 ways of that movie. Here. I think she's fine, But 974 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.400 I think this movie have a horror movie problem, which 975 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.880 is there are characters on screen and they're gonna die, 976 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.679 you know that. You just don't know how many are 977 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.039 going to be left at the end, and I think 978 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.880 they picked the right number. I think this is a 979 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.159 you know again, like two people, one human and one 980 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.920 one android or artificial person. But yeah, all the other 981 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:21.679 characters are completely worthless. And I'm not saying like the 982 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.679 actors didn't do a good job. I think the actors 983 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.480 are fine. It's that the writing does not help any 984 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.320 of this. There's there's no writing at all. It's not 985 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.880 the characters an It's not just any one thing. It's 986 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.199 the writing, it's the performances. It's the choice to make 987 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.800 them all fucking twenty years old. It's just there's a 988 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.519 lot going on there. Like I care about every member 989 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.880 of the crew of the Nostromo. I care about every 990 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.280 member of the crew of the Silaco, every fucking one 991 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:50.599 of them. 992 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.519 Yeah, yeah, we got to talk about those shares. 993 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.199 Yeah, yeah, turns on the air, turns the air off. Yeah, 994 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.800 it's it's it's surprising how little character development is in 995 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:04.960 this movie, given that this movie is two hours long. 996 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.039 But it does just feel like. 997 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.360 What we're given our story is the fucking beginning of 998 00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:13.079 the movie solo that remember that it's the same and beginning, 999 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.480 like we gotta get off this horrid planet where we 1000 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.719 never see the sun. Like, wait, they're changing my credits. 1001 00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:20.280 I have to stay another seven years. 1002 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.840 Oh woe is me? They have a ship. Leave, just leave. 1003 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.480 That was the thing I kept wondering about. I'm like, 1004 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:32.519 is really is the next closest planet really that far away? 1005 00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:33.199 Is it really? 1006 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.880 What is it nine light year or nine years in 1007 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.159 a cryo chamber away? Or can you just op skip 1008 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:41.920 and a jump to someplace where you can see the 1009 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.480 sun and maybe there's another M class planet around here. 1010 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.000 Guys, Well, you've got a spaceship on a planet though 1011 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.280 they can leave, and they never explain why they don't, 1012 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:52.880 and that whole. 1013 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.639 Thing of them being on this mining planet. I'm just like, man, 1014 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.159 I'd rather be watching Outland. I really like that movie 1015 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.360 so much better than this. And Yeah, I just even 1016 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:05.239 with the the Ian Holme stuff versus the Grand Moth 1017 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.800 tark and I was really reminded of just the unnecessary 1018 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.840 rogue one. I mean, it's funny that and Or got 1019 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.800 his own show because I was like, and Or, I 1020 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:19.760 barely remember that guy. He's nothing, He's got He's got 1021 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.320 his robot companion who I find to be more charming 1022 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.079 than him. And when they finally brought out a show 1023 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:27.639 of and and Or, I was like, Okay, this is great. 1024 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.840 Now I finally get to know this character, even though 1025 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.679 he's kind of the least interesting character in the entire show. 1026 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.400 It's really more stilen Scarsguard show. For me. I don't yeah, 1027 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.400 I didn't know any of those people. I just knew 1028 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.480 Donni Yen because he's an actor other than Ian Holme 1029 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.159 and our main character. I don't know any of these actors. 1030 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.000 Nothing to latch onto as far as even bringing things 1031 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:51.480 from other movies, you know, at least with that horrific 1032 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.920 sequel to Pacific Rim, at least I got some characters 1033 00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:58.360 that I remember. Though. They bring in John Boyega and 1034 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.000 her and I'm just like, and what's eastwood Son's name? 1035 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:03.000 Scott Eastwood. 1036 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.119 I'm like, these are all just zero charisma. Well, he's 1037 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.880 zero charisma. The other two are not boy Yeah, I love, 1038 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.159 but he's not given anything to do either. 1039 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.760 Scott Eastwood is is proto Glenn Powell somehow. Glenn Powell 1040 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:18.639 is a much more charismatic guy. And his dad's not 1041 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.239 Clynt Eastwood, which is pretty fucked up, but it's also 1042 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.719 kind of amusing at the same time. All the characters, 1043 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.000 I mean, I fall them alone. Again, I think we 1044 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.880 differ on what the feelings are on why they're not great, 1045 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.000 but I think the feeling, the sentiment is still the same. 1046 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.000 This has like a prequel problem with the characters, Like 1047 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.960 they just they don't want to do anything interesting with 1048 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.760 them for whatever reason. I because they're not aliens. The 1049 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.280 aliens are what you're writing this movie for, for fuck's sake, 1050 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.880 Like I get it. Like and then the face hugger, 1051 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:50.400 Like none of us have ever gotten a chance to 1052 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.679 write that in a script that anybody's gonna do anything with, 1053 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.320 And if we did, I'd probably be just as excited 1054 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.400 to talk about and write for the aliens than I 1055 00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.679 would be for the humans. Like I'm not a fucking 1056 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.480 idiot any more than either one of you guys are. 1057 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.960 We're writing an alien movie, probably gonna want to focus 1058 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.800 on the aliens. However, that's not how this works, because 1059 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:09.760 that's not how this fucking franchise has really ever worked. 1060 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.280 When it's been that's at its best. Even in Prometheus, 1061 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.000 Numi Rapas's character is better written than all the characters 1062 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.280 in this movie. And in Prometheus, it actually does a 1063 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:21.960 little bit of a trick with that movie because you 1064 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.039 actually kind of care about some of the characters in 1065 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.000 that movie because they give you a little bit of 1066 00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.800 time with them and Sam Similarly to Covenant, I mean, 1067 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.559 it takes a while for those movies to get going. 1068 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.280 This movie, on the other hand, is a horror movie 1069 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.039 for you know, twenty somethings and their parents to go 1070 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.119 see together. Because that's the thing. I mean, what all 1071 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.360 the articles and information I've been reading is my parents 1072 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.360 went and saw aliens together, and so we're gonna go 1073 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.400 see this movie all of us now, and it's like cool. 1074 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.280 I'm glad that that can be a shared experience and 1075 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.599 that people's generational things that people have shared with their 1076 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:52.960 kids can now be a thing that we all go 1077 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.360 see an alien movie in theaters together. However, I wish 1078 00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:59.960 there was more to this as opposed to just alien. 1079 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.719 It's alien. It's like that's not enough, but for some 1080 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.280 people it's going to be. And I'm not saying that 1081 01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.400 those people's opinions are lesser, better, worse than mine. It's 1082 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.280 just my bar here with alien movies. Alien as a 1083 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.239 franchise even is probably pretty high, because this is a 1084 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:19.159 franchise that I have been watching since I was like thirteen, 1085 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.679 and that's not for nothing twenty one years now. For y'all, 1086 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:25.519 it's a little bit longer than that, but like, this 1087 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.360 has been a franchise that's been part of our lives 1088 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.199 for a while. I'm sitting listening a father Malone rattle 1089 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.519 off the names of the goddamn ships here, so he's 1090 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:34.519 as invested as you and I are. Mike, I know 1091 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:36.800 you're invested as well, and at this point, it's like 1092 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:40.239 you've got to do more for people like us on 1093 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.679 top of being able to make a movie for everybody, 1094 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.079 and people like us, I think at some point are 1095 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:48.000 just going to go. You can't just keep doing the 1096 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.119 same thing over and over again with the fan service 1097 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.199 that we've seen in all these other fan service movies, 1098 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.320 because Alien doesn't need it. Like Alien at its best 1099 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:59.519 was not about trotting out the old lines and having 1100 01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.400 people say them knew that aren't to the original actors, 1101 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:04.760 Like that was never a thing in this franchise. The 1102 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.119 point of this franchise is very different. Point of this 1103 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.159 franchise is kind of all over the place in terms 1104 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.840 of what movie you're watching or what source material you're seeing. 1105 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.039 But this movie just wanted to take a horror movie 1106 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:18.360 and put an alien in it, which is fine. That's 1107 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.440 just not enough for me at least. 1108 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:21.719 Yeah. 1109 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.599 I think about the movie Prey, and I know that 1110 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.800 didn't that that didn't get a theatrical ride. I was 1111 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:29.360 just dumb tru lu lulu. 1112 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:29.840 Yeah. 1113 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.880 Yeah, And that was supposed to be this too. This 1114 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.679 was supposed to be dumped to Hulu. And I remember 1115 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.239 with Pray, I was like, Ah, what do you like 1116 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:37.719 to have seen that in on the big screen? I 1117 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.719 don't think I would have said that for this one 1118 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.800 unless they didn't. You know, the thing that I liked 1119 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.239 about Prey was that they had like that little nod 1120 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.679 with the gun at the end. You're like, oh, that's 1121 01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.519 the same gun that Danny glover head and Predator too. 1122 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.119 That's pretty cool. And of course there's other like little 1123 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.960 hints of things, but you know, way better than the 1124 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.639 Predator where you got, oh, get to the those choppers 1125 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.840 and I'm just like, oh my god, Like, this is 1126 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:08.159 so embarrassing had they taken this idea because the First 1127 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:11.440 Alien is very much a horror movie with an alien 1128 01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.320 in it. You know, it conquered the Earth type of 1129 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.920 thing or what was the Terror beiond it Terror beyond 1130 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.599 Space or whatever it was. It's like, okay, cool, Yeah, 1131 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.719 that's great, take it, but please, if you can remove 1132 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.599 the fan service, just have these guys running into another 1133 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:30.960 ship or like another alien rather than this particular high end. 1134 01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:33.880 To Ripley in her story, just said, it's someplace else. 1135 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:35.960 And that's what the comic books, the old Dark Horse 1136 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.599 comics used to do. They had a whole new characters 1137 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.639 that they had and they were great. Those were awesome 1138 01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:44.480 comic books. I really recommend those, and I think they 1139 01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:46.480 could have learned something from this word. They don't have 1140 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.920 to just be so slavish to all of the old 1141 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.880 stuff and just keep giving us these nods, because for me, 1142 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:55.880 every time they do it just takes me out of it. 1143 01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:59.599 They just map those comics into a fast series. 1144 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:03.039 All the books, or the fucking multitude of books that 1145 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.079 they've written, all the a. You can go to half 1146 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:06.840 Prize Books right now and pick up five or six 1147 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.719 Alien books for fifty cents that are better written than 1148 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:11.599 this movie is. And I get it. It's a two 1149 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:13.679 hundred page book and it's not a two hour movie 1150 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.360 and all the time blah blah blah. You know what, 1151 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:18.159 that's not a fucking excuse, because we have mentioned already 1152 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.840 Alien and Aliens and even Prometheus actually do some character 1153 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.280 development that's worth talking about. 1154 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.840 You can get audio books of Alien if you don't 1155 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.039 want to read them, and they've got something audio dramas 1156 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:31.199 that are really fucking good. 1157 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.960 Yeah, Alien is a franchise that has so much extended 1158 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.719 universe material that's still canon until Disney doesn't want to 1159 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.760 be anymore, probably at this point, Like there's so much 1160 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.440 that they could have drawn from that. They just were like, 1161 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.960 not Alien and aliens, that's it, And like the alien 1162 01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:52.280 base movies, like nobody has read Alien whatever the fuck 1163 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.599 X Y and Z book, just rip that off. Even 1164 01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.079 to your point, father, like Isolations, you would have thought 1165 01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.079 enough removed, And clearly in a lot of ways it 1166 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.480 is from the mainstream to rip that off without getting 1167 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.719 lambasted for it in every review for the movie. 1168 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.760 You know what would be a good link between Alien 1169 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:13.559 and Aliens Allen Ripley's daughter trying to find her weird the. 1170 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:17.119 Thing that so I had a real problem with Alien 1171 01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.119 three in the idea of and this was more in 1172 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:24.760 the scripts that were rejected for Alien three, but it 1173 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.519 still ended up being an Alien three. This whole idea 1174 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:30.760 of if an alien ges states in something that's not 1175 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.880 a human, it takes on the properties of that preacher, 1176 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:37.760 which to me just doesn't make any sense. It's that 1177 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:42.400 whole idea of like if an alien embeds a baby 1178 01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.039 inside of a rhino, it's going to come out with 1179 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.519 like armor plating in a horn, and like that just 1180 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.320 doesn't make sense. As far as the DNA of the 1181 01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:54.320 alien itself, it does cool Kenner Toys Mike it does, 1182 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:56.000 but it kind of makes sense with the black goo 1183 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:58.519 with the black oil, like that kind of makes sense. 1184 01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.840 But where, oh, where is. 1185 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:06.559 That mouse alien in this movie? That's what I was 1186 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:09.239 waiting for. Once you see that mouse explode in that 1187 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.719 video footage, I'm waiting for that mouseleally to come out. 1188 01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:14.360 Yeah, where was it? 1189 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.679 It was just what we got was like a cocoon 1190 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.039 kind of a thing, and then no payoff, and then 1191 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:21.719 and then we get another cocoon later saying if you 1192 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.079 see a cocoon, there's something in there. 1193 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:23.880 It's coming for you. 1194 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.440 Yeah. Well, and and again the Prometheus of it all, 1195 01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:32.320 we have a direct homage to Prometheus with the pregnant 1196 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:33.920 woman at the end of the movie, because that's I've 1197 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.199 got to assume that's what they're referencing with her laying 1198 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.320 the alien egg, which is very similar to what happens 1199 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:41.239 to Numi ORPAs and the third act of that movie 1200 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.039 where she has the emergency C section and she has 1201 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:46.480 the thing taken out of her and bring a wiggling 1202 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.800 on the arm like it's just that again, like they're 1203 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:50.760 even the thing in this movie that kind of feels 1204 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:54.880 somewhat unique and original, is ultimately a poor fac simile 1205 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.440 of a thing you've already done elsewhere two movies ago, 1206 01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.559 two movies ago, even, not three, not Alien, two goddamn 1207 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:04.639 movies ago. And how do I know this Because Ridley's 1208 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.800 got directed the goddamn thing and he produced the fucking movie. 1209 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.079 And this is all. This is all. If it's not 1210 01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:14.719 Fox meddling, it's Ridley Scott going, I'm producing this, so 1211 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.480 you better have this shit in here. 1212 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.199 Oh, it absolutely is, because here's I haven't said anything 1213 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.000 about Prometheus or that other fucking Covenant, what was it. 1214 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.639 I fucking hate those movies, like I hate this whole 1215 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.599 what I love about the Aliens, and I will continue 1216 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.079 to ignore those movies. I love the idea that we 1217 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.960 don't know where they're from. There there's a planet of 1218 01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:40.559 them somewhere, and they're just they are the apex predator 1219 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.000 of the universe and don't go there, and all of 1220 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.360 the love Craftian kind of connotations involved with them, and 1221 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.599 instead Ridley Scott's like, no, I'm gonna do this like 1222 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.719 bullshit nineteen sixties concept of space seeding, you know, like 1223 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:57.679 Chariots of the Gods man, Like that's what you came 1224 01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:57.960 up with. 1225 01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.079 And by the way. You didn't really them up with 1226 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.360 it either. It didn't come up technically stole it thing you. No, 1227 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:04.719 he didn't come up with any of that. He didn't 1228 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:05.760 come up with anything. 1229 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.320 For any read and either he directed one movie, Like 1230 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.239 why is he Why is he charting the course for 1231 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:13.480 the rest of these films, and why is he charting 1232 01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.559 their mythology? He's a fucking hired gun man. He was 1233 01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:18.239 a fucking shoe salesman before this. 1234 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.000 Dan O'Bannon is turning over in his grave. 1235 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:24.800 Now Dan O'Bannon is going, where's my check? Motherfucker? 1236 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.599 Yeah that's Dano. That's on point for mister O'Bannon. But 1237 01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:31.280 it was nice seeing his name on screen. 1238 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:32.480 Oh yeah, it always is. 1239 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:34.880 Yeah, always always is. But at the same time, I 1240 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.039 could just sit and think to myself, like, what would 1241 01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:39.440 he think about this movie, because like him and Ron 1242 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.960 Shoest really nailed it with that first movie, so hardcore, 1243 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.800 and then to watch this movie just kind of again 1244 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.880 succeed in what it could succeed at, but ultimately, in 1245 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.000 my mind flail a lot of the time because some 1246 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:54.599 of the things that happen in this movie are flailing 1247 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.360 in a way that's like flailing upward for people, clearly 1248 01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.760 because we're I would I would say that I might 1249 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.440 be the most positive of the three of us on 1250 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.039 the movie, but we are in a minority here of 1251 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:07.440 finding this movie to be not as great, because most 1252 01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.400 everybody I've talked to and or seen online is like, 1253 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.000 enjoyed this movie a lot more than either of us. 1254 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:17.439 Either three of us did, which is not surprising. But 1255 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:22.960 at the same time, I wonder the amount of experience 1256 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.079 and exposure and yearning and wanting that people who have 1257 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:29.119 seen these movies, even within the mainstream media and critics, 1258 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.760 are watching it and have a frame of reference for 1259 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.159 the other things outside of just I saw Aliens once 1260 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.039 and I know that that line is in Aliens. I 1261 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.039 mean this to your point, father alone, this world that 1262 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:43.000 was created is so deep and interesting, and it doesn't 1263 01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:44.680 need to be like. The parts of it that are 1264 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.359 deep and interesting are not the parts that need to 1265 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.279 be explained. Those are the things that I like. To 1266 01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:49.960 your point, I never asked where the fuck did the 1267 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.159 alien come from? Why does anyone care? It's the whole 1268 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:56.840 prequelization of shit. Thanks to George Lucas and Friends and 1269 01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.960 Indiana Jones, the last Crusade, Like, oh, how did Harry 1270 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.079 and Vord get that scar on his chin? How did 1271 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:03.720 he get his hat? How did he get his whip? 1272 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.840 Like that's five minutes, five ten minutes of that movie. 1273 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.119 And that's the perfect prequel version of anything I think 1274 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.159 I've ever seen because it's connected to a movie, it's 1275 01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.239 not the whole goddamn movie. And that's this entire I mean, 1276 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.760 this entire movie is just more of like where did 1277 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.520 the alien come from? It's weird that I haven't fucking 1278 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.960 cared this whole time movie that didn't really care. I 1279 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.119 mean Prometheus and Covenant. The parts of those movies that 1280 01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.640 I have enjoyed are Michael Fassbender's performance, because he's great 1281 01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:34.760 in those movies, Like that's really not up for debate 1282 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:36.840 in terms of those movies. That's the quality at the 1283 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.720 center of those movies is his performance and the way 1284 01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:41.399 he interacts with the other people. But the alien of 1285 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.239 it all in those movies is like I didn't want 1286 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.000 to know where Hannibal Lecter came from. I don't want 1287 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.439 to know Darth Vader's backstory. I don't want to know 1288 01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.840 any of this shit because it doesn't fucking matter. And 1289 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.319 for the longest time, nobody else thought it did. Either. 1290 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:55.279 Do you like Boba Fett? Well, I'm going to show 1291 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:56.600 you where Bobaffett came from. 1292 01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:58.800 He was a little kid and his father died and 1293 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:03.119 he was really sa such a cool idea for a movie. 1294 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.840 I always loved all the mystery of the space Jockey 1295 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:10.840 and the eggs and was he transporting them? Like was 1296 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:12.600 he trying to get rid of them? Like who set 1297 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:13.199 up that beacon? 1298 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:13.760 Was it him? 1299 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.119 Who is that guy? Is he an elephant? Yeah? 1300 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.479 Yeah, exactly, Like you know, it's just mystery upon mystery, 1301 01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:22.039 And like I'm fucking totally cool with that. 1302 01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:26.520 How does Ash work without that chip that they give 1303 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.279 to or sorry Rook? How does Rook work without that 1304 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.399 thing that they give to Andy? 1305 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.920 That's a good question that they probably don't have an 1306 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.640 answer for Space Magic. 1307 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.960 I like that whole transformation of Andy when they put 1308 01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.359 that new chip in, and I like when he, you know, 1309 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.840 looks up at the sky and his eyes go white 1310 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.560 and his hands are charmoring, and I'm just like, that's 1311 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.960 a really cool moment for me. There's some there are 1312 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.600 some good moments into this in this, but otherwise, I mean, 1313 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.199 does it say, tilts out eyeballs when it goes up 1314 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:01.840 as well. 1315 01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.159 It's reminded me of warning, Warning, Warning, But things like 1316 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.479 the creature design for the baby alien, like, I tend 1317 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:12.680 to agree with you, Father Malone. 1318 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:16.079 That looks a little cooler than the skull faced alien 1319 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.199 that we had in Resurrection. It reminds me a lot 1320 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.960 of the aliens that were in Close Encounters of the 1321 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.239 third kind, like that last wave of them that come 1322 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.119 out that are so fall and spin lely. And there's 1323 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.319 a silhouette where I was just like, Oh, that kind 1324 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.439 of reminds me of that. That's pretty cool. But then 1325 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.560 I'm like, oh, and it's got the engineer's face from 1326 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:37.920 Covenant and Prometheus. Fuck me. 1327 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.479 Yeah. It was when the reveal happened at the end 1328 01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:44.039 of the movie, I said, audibly along with several other 1329 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.199 people in the theaters, what the fuck? Because it was 1330 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.399 it was Oh, I disagree with y'all. It was a 1331 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:54.479 It was a worse design than Resurrection because it is 1332 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.640 a full CGI creature that anytime they cut they cut 1333 01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.119 to it, it looks like CGI and I'd be I 1334 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.279 will be that guy one time right now and go. 1335 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.880 This was where practical effects would have helped because it 1336 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:08.439 was already low lighting anyways, guys like you're in a 1337 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:11.600 dark hold of a ship like this, I mean, I 1338 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:13.680 get it, Like you can do more with CGI than 1339 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.079 you can do practically. I appreciate it. And I know 1340 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.800 that there is a gentleman who plays the hybrid in 1341 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.840 this movie, so there is a person in a suit, 1342 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.199 but it's also a lot of it that's CGI. 1343 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.359 Well, that's the thing, Like that would have solved the 1344 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:29.880 fucking Ian Home problem too. It's like, you know, it's 1345 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.159 we're not We're not like misusing his image or anything. 1346 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.479 We're using that character based on his look and you know, 1347 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:38.880 and the sound alike, Like I would have bought a 1348 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.279 fucking if you saw if you've ever seen any of 1349 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:47.520 the animatronics at Disneyland, like fucking malfunction, it's fantastic, Like 1350 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.880 they could have done a lot with that with with 1351 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.199 Ana Share or Hardy Rook. 1352 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:57.159 As soon as Rook came on screen, I was very 1353 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.880 audibly upset. I just like no, just because it just 1354 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.600 looked so bad with the way that his head moves, 1355 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:07.319 because I understand his head's down on his chest doing 1356 01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:11.279 the whole like Bishop from from Alien three thing where 1357 01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:14.039 he's half half they're half not. He did such a 1358 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.079 better job with Bishop with the way that they did that. 1359 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.279 And I understand that Lance Hendrickson was still a relatively 1360 01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:23.039 young man and still alive, whereas with Ian Holme it's 1361 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:25.319 been gone for a few years. But do you know 1362 01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.640 what this opens up? We can now redo the hobbit 1363 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.199 with Ian Holme as Bilbo Baggins. This is going to 1364 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:32.960 be fantastic. 1365 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.279 Christ don't put that out into the fucking universe, Mike. 1366 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.680 Why would you gonna show up on Rings of Power? Yeah, 1367 01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.359 that's what I'm worried about. Man like, And there he is. 1368 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.359 There's Bilbow walking around like oh no, no. 1369 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:50.720 No, you know on Canny to beat the Bandol, there's 1370 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:54.640 there's a research ship from Whaling New Twani and it 1371 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.560 is filled with the aliens. And if there's one thing 1372 01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:59.960 Whaling New Tanny wants more than anything in the world, 1373 01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.399 all it's these aliens. And somehow it's just derelict hanging 1374 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.039 out about mining colony. They haven't come to get it, 1375 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.800 Like there's a dynamic that they could have explored the 1376 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.239 whalen Utania on the way kind of think something something 1377 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.159 that they needed there other than rods to power their 1378 01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:20.640 ship to get I don't know, maybe a plot or something. 1379 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.720 I say, where was where was the like opposing force 1380 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.800 coming to get the aliens? Like, because that's a thing 1381 01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:29.680 that was never really been explored in any of this. 1382 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:30.800 I mean we have it a little bit at the 1383 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.319 end Alien three, not really in Resurrection because again this 1384 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:36.840 kind of rips off Resurrection that it's taking place on 1385 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:38.760 the space station where they were fucking around with the 1386 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.600 alien DNA like, but Resurrection does it better because Resurrection 1387 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.520 shows us where the mutant aliens are hanging out and 1388 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.159 where the mutant Sigourney Weaver clones are. In this movie, 1389 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:51.039 it's like it's just perfect. It's still perfect. Everything's fine. 1390 01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:53.880 The alien got loose and killed everybody, but it still 1391 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.039 looks normal, Like we what what why. 1392 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:00.600 Rook should have been all about and figure out a 1393 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.800 way to get those aliens back to whaling Utani. And yeah, 1394 01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:06.439 if there's power on the ship, and you see power 1395 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:09.479 on quite a few times, why don't we go ahead 1396 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.720 and just pilot this ship this whole romulus remiss thing 1397 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.039 or whatever. You know, he can crawl around with his arms, 1398 01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:18.800 we see that too. Why does he try to commandeer 1399 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.239 the ship and take off with some of the face huggers. 1400 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.239 Inte they're going to leave him alone. 1401 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:29.319 Right because they don't care, because it's just it's just 1402 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:31.560 And I don't know why they don't care. Because you 1403 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.800 have these franchises, and you have these opportunities to do 1404 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.039 something with them, and you're spending money. You spend eighty 1405 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.359 million dollars on this movie. It's not nothing. That's a 1406 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.439 significant amount of money, at least to me, at least 1407 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:45.239 the way I look at the world. Only eighty million 1408 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:46.720 dollars a lot of money to spend, and this is 1409 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.079 the best that you can do is just kind of 1410 01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:53.039 playing the discordant tones of Alien over and over again, 1411 01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.439 Bomb bomb Bomb, just like playing it on a piano 1412 01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.159 and being like, this is a new song. It's like, Dona, 1413 01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:59.880 we've heard this before. Don't try to lie to us. 1414 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.720 It's like, don't try to put one over on me. 1415 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:03.960 Because here's the other thing. At the end of this movie. 1416 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:07.279 This story's over, thankfully. That's the one saving grace in 1417 01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:09.399 all of this is I don't there what universe do 1418 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:11.960 we need to see anymore with these characters? Oh, we don't, 1419 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:13.079 And that's good. 1420 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:15.319 Well, you can do like and or and now do 1421 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.800 a prequel with Rain. 1422 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:22.560 No wrong, the early d know, we want to know 1423 01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.039 why Andy the android is called that, and why is 1424 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:27.600 she called Rain she was found out in the Rain. 1425 01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.720 I mean, the whole idea of them living on this 1426 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:35.000 shitthole planet and just being stuck in this never ending 1427 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:37.359 cycle and trying to break away from this. I mean, 1428 01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:40.279 this is stuff I can relate to as an American. 1429 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.000 I'm like, Okay, I get this whole thing. We're gonna 1430 01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:46.800 keep moving the goalposts, sonya. You know, pretty soon they're 1431 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.800 gonna raise the fucking retirement age and they're gonna change 1432 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.000 this role in that role. And it's just like, Okay, 1433 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.039 I get it, and I get this so well. But 1434 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.159 then once they make the decision like oh there's a 1435 01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:57.840 ship up there, we're gonna go up to the ship, 1436 01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:01.319 it's like okay, cool, boom. Five minute later, we're off 1437 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.079 and that's it and they just take off, and like 1438 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.520 you said, it's like, Okay, go someplace else. Then, Yeah, 1439 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.359 I don't get why you're so stuck on going to 1440 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:14.159 this space station. Okay, great if it doesn't work out, 1441 01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.880 what these cryo tubes? You know what they got enough 1442 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.880 power for three years, Let's go someplace that's three years close. 1443 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:24.600 That's not what the script allowed them. I know, I know, 1444 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:28.520 being a horrible person, that's not how the script was written. Mike, 1445 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:32.399 that's yeah. Someone said, let's just make this alien again. 1446 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:34.600 Let's just have them on a space station and have 1447 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.920 aliens running around and the scariest part of the movie 1448 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.760 being the face huggers, because that is I mean, the 1449 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:42.319 most compelling part of this movie is that sequence that 1450 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.760 was in the trailer where they're in the cryo room 1451 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.640 and there are quote something in the water, and those 1452 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.560 things are the face huggers, And that is the best 1453 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:55.159 scene in this entire movie. It really is, like, it's compelling, 1454 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.199 it's different. There are some stakes, there are some components 1455 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.560 going on because there's the Android in there who's rebooting, 1456 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:04.000 and then there's the two other guys whose names you 1457 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:08.239 couldn't get me to remember even if I tried. And yeah, 1458 01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:10.159 and on top of everything else, let's mention something else, 1459 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.039 something we haven't really talked about. I mean, we kind 1460 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:14.760 of alluded to it that the characters are fodder. Are 1461 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:17.279 there any good death scenes in this movie? Even with 1462 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:19.760 the usage of the way the aliens work other than 1463 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:22.239 is the chest burst or scene in this movie good? 1464 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:23.960 It's kind of the question I want to ask, because 1465 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.640 I don't think it is. I mean, they showed the 1466 01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:28.760 entire thing in the trailer, and the only thing they 1467 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.159 didn't show in the trailer is the shot of the 1468 01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:31.920 alien popping out of her chest, and then when you 1469 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:35.520 see it's thoroughly underwhelming in a way that I was 1470 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:39.199 not expecting given the guy who directed this fucking movie 1471 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.600 and wrote it is the guy who had blood blood 1472 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.079 raining from the skies like it's a fucking Slayer song 1473 01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:47.399 and evil Dead, okay, And this is just like a 1474 01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.880 little just patch of the alien popping out, like what 1475 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:54.239 in the fuck man? For real? It's it's a waste 1476 01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:56.039 of time because then when we have the alien doing 1477 01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:58.560 alien things, there's not a big enough cast to see 1478 01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.479 people getting fucking obistirated anyways. And so we get a 1479 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:05.079 quick shot of one of the two guys getting murdered 1480 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.479 by an alien and it's like the movies rated PG. 1481 01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:09.720 Thirteen and it doesn't even want to show you what's 1482 01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.720 happening with any amount of like detail, which again not 1483 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:14.880 saying I need to see guys heads exploding or anything. 1484 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.640 But the movies rated are so you're clearly aware that 1485 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:20.920 you can do essentially whatever the fuck you want. You're not, 1486 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.239 so I just don't understand why you're not. It is 1487 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:24.359 probably what I'm getting at. 1488 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.239 Here's how excited for the movie I was. I avoided 1489 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:31.079 every trailer I somehow believe it Dany thumbhow managed to 1490 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:34.560 avoid every piece of media. So with the X ray thing, 1491 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:36.439 when she first picks it up, I was like, Wow, 1492 01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.960 that's cool. That's a cool piece of tech, and and 1493 01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:41.720 didn't didn't think it was going to pay off. So 1494 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.239 that actually worked for me. But the when the little 1495 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.920 alien bursts out, Yeah, I think Alvarez was just trying 1496 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.119 to be different than the John hurt one, and boy 1497 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:53.560 he existed. He succeeded. 1498 01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:59.720 Wow, talk about phallic. Holy shit, that was the most 1499 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:04.359 like first sure I've ever seen in my life. I know, 1500 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:07.680 there's basically a foreskin out a chest burster, but you 1501 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:10.159 get to see that, you get to see the blue veins. 1502 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:13.840 I'm just like, Wow, Okay, we're just not hiding it anymore. 1503 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.359 No venus is I like to make every sing phatic. 1504 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:20.840 Thanks hr. 1505 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:23.920 But I will say about that chess Burster scene. I 1506 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.199 like the dynamics of what was going on, and it 1507 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.560 was the shuttle and then like slowly crashing. In fact, 1508 01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:33.800 one thing I really liked in the movie was all 1509 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.119 of the all of the space stuff, all of the 1510 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:38.960 ships and all of the it all felt heavy, like 1511 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.479 there was gravity to it all, and it all felt 1512 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:45.000 very realistic and very of that universe. So I think 1513 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.479 they succeeded one hundred percent there and including in that sequence. 1514 01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:52.319 The influence of Ron Cobbs still looms large in this franchise, 1515 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.800 thank god, because yeah, then while they may not be 1516 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:58.560 kit bashing anymore, with the ways that they're designing things, 1517 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:02.279 their kit bashing and really rendering, because yeah, everything feels 1518 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.279 that's the thing about this movie, Like everything feels proper alien, 1519 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.680 like everything really does. Like everything looks like Alien, feels 1520 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:16.560 like alien. It's just poorly executed, but it's a it's 1521 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:21.640 a beautiful movie. I mean, unfortunately, like I d or 1522 01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:25.159 eighty million dollars produced by Disney, Like, oh, your movie 1523 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.319 doesn't look good. That's a bigger problem at this point 1524 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.840 because where did the money go? At least if we 1525 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.560 can see the visual effects look pretty good. The set 1526 01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.279 design looks pretty great. The production design and the costume 1527 01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.840 design is great. Like, Okay, I can concede that there's 1528 01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:42.079 a fair amount of money going into that, But I mean, again, 1529 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.119 a movie looking nice in twenty twenty four, that's a 1530 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.800 big budget studio movie. I mean, I'm sure Borderlands looked fine. 1531 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:50.960 Clearly wasn't a good movie and execution, but I'm sure 1532 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:55.239 it looked fine. But again, low of low bars to cross. 1533 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.720 I will here's the other thing I like that that 1534 01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:00.600 and this is sort of tying back into what I 1535 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:04.439 said earlier about showing the aliens and how intelligent they are. 1536 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.920 There's a scene where the Android has given each of 1537 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.960 the characters new pulse rifles. These are before the pulse 1538 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:15.920 rifles that the colonial Marines will have fifty years from now, 1539 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.119 so now nerds have a whole new model. They have 1540 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:20.560 to go three D print. But anyway, it gives them 1541 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:22.640 the guns and tells them don't use them because they 1542 01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:25.399 have acid blood and they'll kill kill us all. And 1543 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:26.920 they said why do you give them to us? And 1544 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.119 he says, well, I think they'll think that it is 1545 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.720 a deterrent, And it is so that one scene where 1546 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:36.159 they there's like a group of full grown aliens coming 1547 01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.439 around the corner, climbing on the wall, and she holds 1548 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.479 up the gun and they all pause. That scene somehow 1549 01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:45.600 that the image of them like pausing and waiting, and 1550 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:50.039 I don't know, I thought that was really evocative, like 1551 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.560 really like worthy of the rest of the series of movies, 1552 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.840 like the things with the actual adult alien in this movie, 1553 01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:59.680 like I've knock my socks on, it's just everything else 1554 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.680 hanging on. It is bad. But I will say this, Chris, 1555 01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:04.680 I think I did like this movie more than you 1556 01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:09.239 because I will never watch Prometheus or Covenant again, and 1557 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.520 I will watch this again for at least for the 1558 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.359 for We were just talking about the production design and 1559 01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:19.119 like like spending two hours in this world, Like I 1560 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:20.479 will watch it again. 1561 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:26.199 Yeah, I think the performance that Andy Gibbs is enough 1562 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.039 to possibly bring me back. And there's a few things. 1563 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:29.359 I thought. 1564 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:31.439 It was interesting that we're trying to fight aliens with 1565 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.239 cold rather than fire, which again takes me back to 1566 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:39.079 Alien Resurrection with the little bread dwarf machine that he's 1567 01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:43.119 got where it sprays them with the cold stuff, and 1568 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.319 then when she tries to use it again later on, 1569 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:46.279 it doesn't work. 1570 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:47.680 Okay, great. 1571 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.319 I thought we're going to have instead of flamethrowers, we're 1572 01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:56.199 going to have ice throwers or you know, prayo fuel, 1573 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.840 which apparently is very cold. So I was like, all right, great, 1574 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.279 but yeah in space nowhere can you? 1575 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:05.319 Yeah at all? 1576 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:09.359 Are there are some interesting things in this film, but 1577 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:11.600 I don't think it's enough for me. It's more interesting 1578 01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:15.359 and more enjoyable. And I actually, for all of my 1579 01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.800 complaints about not knowing these characters, when you get to Covenant, 1580 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:22.399 other than David, I don't know any of those people whatsoever. 1581 01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:25.000 I'm like hard pressed to even remember. I think what 1582 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.520 doctor Manhattan was one of the scientists, and Danny McBride, 1583 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:32.640 and then poor James Franco just kind of gets all 1584 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:36.279 the scenes cut out. It's like otherwise I'm just left 1585 01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:40.199 with the lady with the dark hair, and yeah, that's 1586 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:41.600 all about I remember. 1587 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:44.640 Where Katherine Waterston was just in big franchise movies there 1588 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.359 for a while, and they were not good because she 1589 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.439 was also the female lead in those Fantastic Beast movies. 1590 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.119 And it's like, oh, that feels so bad for you. 1591 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.600 Sam Waterston's daughter is just getting She's like the female 1592 01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.039 idriest elebents like, can you be in something good that's 1593 01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.520 a big budget thing as opposed to just being good 1594 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.800 in all the non big budget stuff you're in because 1595 01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:08.079 we want to yeah franchises, what is wrong with you? 1596 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:09.359 Yeah? 1597 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:15.720 Yeah, I'm rewatching the slot slight version and just even 1598 01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.840 in that shitty video quality that Ian Holmes, this of 1599 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.800 it is just it really disturbs me. I mean, I 1600 01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.600 don't tend to just focus on just how bad CG 1601 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:27.319 can get, but this jet. 1602 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:32.680 Really hurts to watch. Remember those Zales commercials with Humphrey Bogart, 1603 01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:36.159 Oh God, remember that that's where this all started. Like 1604 01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:38.880 that was like the initial onus behind this is like 1605 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:43.600 have dead people still, Like Ken, we have dead people? 1606 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:48.159 He in like sag minimum means into the work of 1607 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.039 a real actor, because that's the thing. Daniel Betts does 1608 01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:56.239 the voice for Ian Holmes character, because there's someone doing 1609 01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:00.800 like an Ian Holme impersonation, right, He's great. It's just 1610 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:04.359 sad that there's all this other stuff surrounding it because 1611 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:07.479 I just yeah, I don't I don't know. It would 1612 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:09.119 not it have been enough to just have the voice 1613 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:10.640 of the home Coming out of a robot that looks 1614 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:13.000 different and the people that get it just be like, oh, okay, 1615 01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:14.640 it's like an Ian Holme thing as opposed, just like 1616 01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:17.920 it is E and Home on screen. Please acknowledge, like 1617 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:20.560 I don't want to, please stop forcing this down my 1618 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:23.600 throat like a fucking face hugger's too, like, don't do 1619 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:24.880 it right? 1620 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:27.920 And had they moved on to another model, because that's 1621 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:30.840 the thing with Alien three, the whole thing of Bishop 1622 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.159 coming back and it's like, oh, is this actually Bishop? No, 1623 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.399 it can't be Bishop, So who is this guy? Is 1624 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:40.119 this the guy that Bishop was based on? Or is 1625 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.880 this another android that look sorry artificial person that looks 1626 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.920 like Bishop? And I kind of like that they leave 1627 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:48.600 it a little bit vague there, but then in this 1628 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:51.359 one it's like, oh no, no, they just have models 1629 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.760 and they all look alike, like, all right, so we're 1630 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:57.159 doing a little Picard season one thing here. 1631 01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.239 Well, and isn't I mean, Father malonea work for me 1632 01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:01.600 if I'm wrong? That's the isolation. All the robots look 1633 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:03.279 the same, all the synthetics look the same. 1634 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:05.800 Yeah, just like just thinking that actually like. 1635 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.760 A plastic like like a plastic like burn mask just 1636 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:12.359 over like a robot like body. It's just it's literally like. 1637 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:17.439 Crashed CPR dummy basically. Yeah, like yeah, and they're horrifying. 1638 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:21.399 Yeah, fucking they're more scary that Like, here's the thing, 1639 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:24.239 Alien Isolation. It's a great Alien game, but the fucking 1640 01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:26.640 robots are more horrifying than the Alien is. They kill 1641 01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:29.319 you in two hits twice. 1642 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:31.680 In my back, I think they are very, very scary. 1643 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:34.560 But there is nothing that nothing made me more frightened 1644 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:37.079 of the other than the original movie of the Alien 1645 01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:39.920 than playing that game. You hear it coming, man, they 1646 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:43.279 just hide and you fucking pray because it knows you're that. 1647 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:45.199 It's really scary. 1648 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:48.960 Hiding in the lockers and watching it like walking around, man, 1649 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.199 move back in the locker too, to pull yourself back 1650 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:56.960 away from it. Yeah, it's video game one or art 1651 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.239 form for certain things. They just are. And with this, 1652 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:03.279 it's like Alien kind of is made for that kind 1653 01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.439 of story to be interacted with in a way that 1654 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:09.600 is more closely tied to the person having the experience 1655 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.600 is interacting with the alien directly. And that's what Alien 1656 01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:14.600 as a franchise kind of has always wanted is to 1657 01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:17.079 put you in the shoes of the people there and 1658 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:19.760 by having it be just a spaceship with a small 1659 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:22.479 amount of people, you can make that feel like anywhere 1660 01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:25.279 else other than space where you couldn't run away, and 1661 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:27.760 Alien Isolation captures that in a way that, yeah, like 1662 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.600 we've already alluded to, nothing else really ever has, and 1663 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:32.560 now this is the first thing that's kind of tried 1664 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.720 to even and it fails. It really fails in terms 1665 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.960 of just being a worthwhile sequel to Alien. It just 1666 01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.119 kind of ends up being a sequel to everything, not 1667 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:49.760 specifically Alien, which is fine, but nobody asked for that. 1668 01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:52.720 That was a choice that was made specifically by the 1669 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.800 writers and directors and producers of the film. So we'll see. 1670 01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:58.319 Here's what I'm asking for. Here are my two ideas. 1671 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:02.159 If anyone from the franchise is listening, make make these movies. 1672 01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:04.800 I would like to see a movie made from the 1673 01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:05.960 alien point of view. 1674 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:07.960 Hell yeah, like in a violent nature. 1675 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.960 Yeah, like I'd like to, yes, exactly, like where they 1676 01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:15.119 we see how horrible we are to them, you know, 1677 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:17.720 like I'd like that movie. I would also like a 1678 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.000 Predator style movie. You want to do it on a 1679 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.000 space station, put it wherever you want. I want to 1680 01:29:22.039 --> 01:29:26.399 see one person against an alien. They're hunting each other 1681 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.760 for the entire movie, like like the stuff I was 1682 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:31.319 talking about then, I like in the movie, every time 1683 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.359 we get to see them like plotting and scheming and 1684 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.520 like like being more than just the sort of beast 1685 01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:38.520 that they look like. I'd like to see that like 1686 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:42.119 throughout a movie, like setting traps and doing shit, like 1687 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.279 you know, that could be really fun anyway. 1688 01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:48.279 If the alien comes up and opens up its mouth 1689 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:49.960 and the second set of Jaws is there and the 1690 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:51.760 guy just goes clever girl. 1691 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:56.880 I mean, I was talking about this last night with 1692 01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.640 Ryan from Someone's Favorite Productions, Like where does this go 1693 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:00.119 from here? 1694 01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:00.279 Right? 1695 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:02.800 I think is ultimately like the final question to answer 1696 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:04.760 here the kind of big thing to think about, because, 1697 01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:07.039 like I alluded to the way this movie ends, there's 1698 01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:10.039 no reason to return to these characters. There's nothing there. 1699 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:13.520 There's no cliff there's no overt cliffhanger like at the 1700 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:15.960 end of Covenant, which is clearly never going to be 1701 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.960 resolved at this point, which is perfectly fine, but this 1702 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:20.880 movie just kind of ends and it's you know, they're 1703 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:24.039 not drifting out through space like alien or aliens. It's 1704 01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.520 just you know, they're going to Vanga or wherever the 1705 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:29.960 fuck they're going, and they'll get there and they'll be 1706 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:31.920 fine and whatever. I don't care about their story, So 1707 01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:35.800 where does it go from here? There? My mind goes 1708 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:38.920 immediately too. They're just going to make Aliens again, and like, 1709 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:39.720 why haven't they? 1710 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.079 Apparently they're supposed to make something called Alien Earth. 1711 01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:45.960 They showed a preview for that, and in my theater, 1712 01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:48.319 actually I wanted to ask you guys about that. So 1713 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.640 there was it was like a three or four second 1714 01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:53.920 maybe ten at the most teaser, and it was the 1715 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:57.239 shot of the Earth being reflected on something, and then 1716 01:30:57.279 --> 01:30:59.399 you kind of realize as it's moving, the thing is 1717 01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:01.960 moving up that it's actually the reflection of the Earth 1718 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:04.119 on that top of the alien's carapace, like on the 1719 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.279 top of his head, and it kind of moves up 1720 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:09.319 and he goes and it's Alien Earth Summer twenty twenty five, 1721 01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:13.039 and that's a Hulu thing. But and now they're finally 1722 01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:16.319 taking the Aliens to Earth, which means is this in 1723 01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:17.720 the end of that series? 1724 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:19.680 That what Noah Holly is doing? 1725 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:22.760 No that is that is that is the series? Yeah? 1726 01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:25.399 Oh okay, well you know who cares? I mean, you know, 1727 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:28.840 I'm going to watch it because it's like an alien universe, but. 1728 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:31.159 Like it's Noah Hawley. He actually knows it's not. 1729 01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:34.239 Going to be It's not going to be the Earth 1730 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:35.960 war that we want. It's not going to be the 1731 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:37.039 Dark Horse comics. 1732 01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:41.359 No no, And I promised him that since Alien three. 1733 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:43.840 When they first had the posters for Alien three, it 1734 01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:47.319 said this time it's hiding in the most terrifying place 1735 01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:50.680 of all I don't find I've said this many times before. 1736 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:53.680 I don't find segorting a Weaver's stomach to be that terrifying. 1737 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.600 I figure it was going to be Earth and they 1738 01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:58.560 even had like it was tied in with the poster 1739 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:01.640 with the really teaser preview and it was like, oh, 1740 01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:04.079 this is going to be fantastic, and yeah, they've been 1741 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:09.079 on Earth with Alien Versus Predator and Alien What was 1742 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:10.479 that Versus Predator. 1743 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.439 That the movie nobody saw because it was so. 1744 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.560 Dark, and oh, yeah, you're right. I went to the theater. 1745 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:19.439 I can't say I saw the movie correct. Yeah, it was, 1746 01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:23.680 Oh god, that was awful. I really like the first 1747 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.279 Alien Versus Predator and that was kind of cool that 1748 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.239 it was all isolated and kind of you know a 1749 01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:31.439 little bit like the thing that we're doing this down 1750 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:34.560 in Antarctica. I was like, all right, this is kind. 1751 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:37.000 Of nice, and that's its own that's its own timeline too. 1752 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:39.800 By the way that that exists separate from Alien and Predator, 1753 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:43.560 that is not they're not cannon either. Alien and a 1754 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:46.239 VP and a VP Requiem are their own things, separate 1755 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:48.479 from everything on top of everything else. 1756 01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:53.239 And I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm I'm really. The 1757 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:55.359 thing that was getting me was this whole we need 1758 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.000 to explain what Whalen and Utani are and that we 1759 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.000 have like, oh, miss Waylan's joining us, Oh, bring that 1760 01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.720 box to mister Utani. I was like, I don't give 1761 01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:06.840 a shit, guys, just get the fuck on with that. 1762 01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:11.000 Yeah, yeah, I wonder why they've never done another Colonial 1763 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:14.000 Marines thing, Like why they've never just gone down that road, 1764 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:16.640 like of all the things. Just get a bunch of 1765 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:20.560 semi charismatic actors together, throw them into an Alien's esque 1766 01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.880 setting and just have like the Radio Silence guys who 1767 01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.359 did those Scream sequels and Abigail, have them do it 1768 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.119 like it'll be They know how to work and write 1769 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:31.159 for like an ensemble cast of people clearly, and they 1770 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:34.119 could do it. And look, they actually have a sense 1771 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:35.840 of fun to what they do as opposed to it 1772 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:37.560 being just kind of grim dark and series. I'm not 1773 01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:40.439 saying Alien Romulus was grim darkin series, but it's trying 1774 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:42.520 to be Alien, it's not trying to be Aliens. There's 1775 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:45.079 not necessarily the sense of fun that you get from Aliens, 1776 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:47.479 which is I think a action and fun movie in 1777 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:50.119 a lot of ways that almost nothing else in the 1778 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:52.640 franchise ever gets to because everything else is kind of 1779 01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:54.359 doing its own thing or trying to just be a 1780 01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.439 horror movie. I think that that's where this needs to go, Like, 1781 01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.880 take that and just do the Aliens thing again. Why not? 1782 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.880 What's the worst that could happen? You get a entertaining 1783 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:07.760 action movie with semi charismatic actors or really charismatic actors 1784 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:09.560 fighting aliens for two hours. I mean it worked for 1785 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:11.439 James Cameron. You're telling me someone hasn't thought in the 1786 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.680 last forty years to just do that again. I don't 1787 01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:16.880 get it. I mean, I like Alien, but why do 1788 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.359 we need to redo Alien? Why not just redo Aliens? 1789 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:22.199 Is there not more room with that to do more? 1790 01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:22.560 No? 1791 01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:25.359 Like Okay, we'll just have them shooting aliens a little 1792 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:27.680 bit in this movie. That's advocative of aliens. I mean 1793 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:31.239 not really, but in the scheme of this movie versus Alien, yes, 1794 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:33.800 they have guns. In this movie they are shooting aliens. 1795 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:36.359 That never happens in Alien. He literally goes, you know 1796 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:39.279 what does he say? He's like, you'll rig up some 1797 01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:41.640 of those incinerators, which that line always made me think, like, 1798 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:43.600 these aren't even a thing that they're ever using for 1799 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:46.920 anything other than like a technical purpose. It's not to 1800 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:48.439 defend themselves, so like. 1801 01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:51.399 They're in a cargo ship, they don't need weapons exactly. 1802 01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:54.600 It's like, okay, well, and Aliens is such a fun 1803 01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:56.760 movie because it's like, now the Aliens are the ones 1804 01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.359 that are outmatched, until you realize that's not the case 1805 01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.279 so clearly. But that's because James Cameron actually took a 1806 01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:06.840 right instead of going left. And I want someone to 1807 01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:10.159 do that with this franchise at this point, because it's 1808 01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:12.239 not that the Aliens aren't scary, far from it, but 1809 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:16.319 the Alien has been scary in other things so successfully. 1810 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.000 I don't think anyone else can do it as well 1811 01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:22.199 anymore clearly with something like this they tried, and it's like, eh, sure, 1812 01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:24.680 it's kind of scary, it's kind of entertaining, but like 1813 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:27.760 the original Alien will never be matched in actually being 1814 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:33.479 unsettling and creepy and disturbing and creating a sense of 1815 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:35.680 dread throughout the movie that can't be escaped because you're 1816 01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.600 on a fucking space station cargo ship. However, you know 1817 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:39.359 whatever it is. 1818 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:41.439 Yeah, but this one could have gotten there had it 1819 01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:44.079 not been saddled with all of the worst characters and 1820 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.640 all of the sort of bullshit fan service and all 1821 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:47.560 that kind of nonsense. 1822 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:50.079 Like I want it close as it's gotten. It's Alien. 1823 01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:51.800 I wanted to take a right turn as well. But 1824 01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:54.279 I don't think we need to make Aliens again, Like 1825 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:56.800 I want them to do something interesting that we haven't 1826 01:35:56.800 --> 01:36:00.720 seen before, Like stop fucking like going all of the 1827 01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:03.079 ship from the past. We've been there already, Like do 1828 01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:03.840 something new. 1829 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:07.680 I have an idea here. What if Kaylee, Spanny and 1830 01:36:07.880 --> 01:36:12.359 Andy there was a face hugger on board? Yeah, and 1831 01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.279 let's say that they crashed on like a wood planet. Okay, 1832 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.159 and let's say that the face hugger got Kaylee spanning. 1833 01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:20.239 How would you feel about that? Father? In along two 1834 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:22.239 close to Alien three. I would you know what? 1835 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:27.239 I would ask? Everything after aliens doesn't make any sense 1836 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.880 to me, because how how does an alien get on 1837 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:32.119 the fucking silaca? 1838 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:34.039 Imagine an egg? Like? 1839 01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:37.520 Don't they show eggs like falling over like with the 1840 01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:39.960 wood flames going and stuff? How did they get there? 1841 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:43.640 The queen, we say here, tear away from her ovipositor 1842 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.159 and come running after Ripley and then gets on the ship. 1843 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:48.560 Where did the fucking eggs come from? 1844 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:52.560 I wish I knew? Yeah, you would think that of 1845 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.279 all the things Ripley would do, she would make sure 1846 01:36:55.359 --> 01:36:58.079 there's no goddamn aliens on that ship. 1847 01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:00.560 Before they they have motion trackers, they would just walk 1848 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:03.880 around the ship. And yeah, smart characters acting stupid is 1849 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:06.319 a great way to get your sequel to a movie 1850 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:07.720 rolling in the wrong direction. 1851 01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:10.680 That's that's this movie too. When they're trying to go 1852 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:12.640 through first off, it cracks me up that we're still 1853 01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.199 using fahrenheit in space here. That's that's fantastic. Get the 1854 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:19.680 room up to ninety eight point six fahrenheit, walk through 1855 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.439 this thing, and then have your fucking radio on. And 1856 01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:25.840 that doesn't immediately trigger because they're like oh, they're attracted 1857 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:29.159 to sound, but really more it's the heat. So I'm like, oh, 1858 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.840 but yet he's just basically having a conversation with the 1859 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:35.199 pregnant lady the whole and I'm like, shut the fuck 1860 01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:36.800 up and get out of there, idiot. 1861 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.279 Yeah, I thought just her through this speaker would would 1862 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.960 be enough to trigger that. It would be him going like, 1863 01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:45.920 please stop talking, stop talking, stop stop. You know, like 1864 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:49.399 that scene should have been successful in it was not 1865 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:53.720 for me. The trek through through face hugger hollow. 1866 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:58.239 Yeah, it was basically when they swim under the ship, 1867 01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:00.920 you know, not the Betty, I can't Betty was the 1868 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:03.760 ship that they came in on, but an alien resurrection. 1869 01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:07.039 When they go underneath and they're in the cafeteria coming 1870 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:09.000 up on the other side, I'm like, oh, this is 1871 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:10.680 kind of like that, like we have to go through 1872 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:13.279 this impossible area and we don't know what's going to happen. 1873 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.560 But no, we'll fuck that up too. 1874 01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:19.439 Look, it's gonna it's gonna check enough boxes for enough people, and. 1875 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:21.720 Oh yeah, I've seen people like oh I'm going to 1876 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:23.319 see it for a third time today. 1877 01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:26.960 I'm like, wow, Okay, if we can get a colonial 1878 01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:29.840 Marines television series out of this, like maybe just a 1879 01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.960 limited show. Like, you know, I'm sure those Marines fought 1880 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:35.359 more than aliens. They seem to have a history with 1881 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:39.560 with with aliens prior to the Zeno morph, you know 1882 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.760 what I mean, Like they were clearly unprepared for it, 1883 01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:45.560 But it doesn't mean that they haven't tangled with other things. 1884 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.640 Yeah, it's just going to be another bug hunt. Yeah, 1885 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.600 and then they've got that what is it Arcturian pussy 1886 01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:54.560 that they're after, doesn't matter if it's Arturian. 1887 01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:58.039 Yeah, man or woman apparently. Yeah, Yeah, I think about 1888 01:38:58.079 --> 01:38:59.760 that because I like, like you've clearly alluded to an 1889 01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.319 al aliens that in Hangar scene, they're like, it's another 1890 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:04.439 bug hunt. There might be a xenomorph. It's like these okay, 1891 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:08.439 so they know, like there's some awareness the term xenomorph. 1892 01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:10.319 These guys don't just go a lot when they hear it. 1893 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.039 They're kind of like a little nonplussed. It would seem so, 1894 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.199 but again, xenomorph is Again that's the other thing about 1895 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.079 this franchise that immediately, like when people are talking about it, 1896 01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:23.119 like the xenomorph actually is the alien. That's just that's 1897 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:25.439 just the name that they're giving broadly to aliens in 1898 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:28.119 this series in general, Like, the Xenomorph's not actually the 1899 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.680 name of the alien at all. It never has been. 1900 01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:33.279 That's like, I think the one time it's used in 1901 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.840 the entire Original four movies is in Aliens when they 1902 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.840 say xenomorph, because I guess James Cameron's like, we have 1903 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:43.079 to say zeno morph for whatever reason. But xenomorph is 1904 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:45.800 not the name of the alien. That's never been actually 1905 01:39:46.199 --> 01:39:48.840 the name. That's just what they're talking about in that scene. 1906 01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:52.840 But all aliens broadly in the Alien Universe are xenomorphs because. 1907 01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.159 That's because the alien was really really selfish and he said, 1908 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:57.119 I'll just take that. 1909 01:39:58.039 --> 01:39:58.720 That's what he is. 1910 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.439 That's mine. Now, if you refer to an alien, you're 1911 01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:05.039 talking about me, and you know what he's right, Well, it's. 1912 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:07.680 That whole thing. You know, Baby Yoda is not actually 1913 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:11.159 a Yoda. Yoda is a is something, but we don't 1914 01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:13.560 know what he is, and so that's not a baby Yoda. 1915 01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.279 Come on, guys, it really makes me mad. Come on, 1916 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:21.560 I should call him Grogu. Hey, don't dead name Grogu. 1917 01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:24.399 Wow? Here I am that picking. I just feel like 1918 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:29.920 such an asshole. Hey, I hope we get more alien stuff. 1919 01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:35.760 We clearly are, but maybe not this Maybe not alien again, right, 1920 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.359 I'm not. I just Predator has had, like all these 1921 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:41.560 movies have had so many missteps at this point, Like 1922 01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:43.920 we have we haven't mentioned the one franchise that this 1923 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:46.039 does get compared to, and I think now it's kind 1924 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:48.279 of broken away from being compared to it. But there 1925 01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:51.439 was a time where this franchise was compared to Terminator 1926 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:52.560 in the same breath. 1927 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:56.439 And we're like, has fought aliens in the comics? 1928 01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.000 Yeah, they sure have, And I believe at one point 1929 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.760 the Terminator and the Alien and the Predator squared off 1930 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:02.279 with each other. 1931 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:07.760 But one is better than another? What are you saying 1932 01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:08.800 one franchise is better? 1933 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.680 No, I'm saying that I think that Alien Is has 1934 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:14.399 broken free from the problems that Terminator now has more 1935 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:17.119 than ever. But I don't think that that's. Yeah, it's 1936 01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:19.439 broken free, maybe a couple of degrees, but I still 1937 01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:22.560 think they're they're still spinning in gravity about to slam 1938 01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:24.520 into the same plan. I think Terminator is just a 1939 01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:27.720 lot further along with how bad everything has been since 1940 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:31.600 Terminator two, And there are how many Terminator movies. Since, 1941 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:34.439 like you said it yourself, father, I'm like, since Aliens, 1942 01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:38.279 none of this really has mattered in any substantive way 1943 01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:40.920 to the point where they retcon the beginning of Alien three. 1944 01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:42.319 I don't know if you guys know about that, but 1945 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:46.560 in the Alien Colonial Marines game, which is Cannon Kicks 1946 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.840 is still alive. Yeah, Like that's it, Like, yeah. 1947 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.760 Books Hicks and are still alive. Yeah. 1948 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:55.319 Yeah, it's like, Oh, you mean the characters from Aliens, 1949 01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:57.880 the second best movie in this franchise, they didn't deserve 1950 01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:01.439 to die off screen? Really? H hmmm. Yeah. 1951 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:05.800 It's all such Hill and Geiler stuff. I mean, Walter Hi, 1952 01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:09.039 Walter Hill. I love a lot of his work, but 1953 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:12.800 him and Aliens do not go together. Well. Like, every 1954 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:15.720 while I was doing my research on Alien three, every 1955 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:17.840 bad decision was coming right from those two. 1956 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:21.600 Geiler is such a fucking dick, and he tried so 1957 01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:24.199 hard to make sure Dan O'Bannon didn't get a fucking credit. 1958 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.479 And every time I see him on those documentaries that 1959 01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:29.640 I watch every now and then about this franchise, it 1960 01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.399 makes me so angry that they gave him any amount 1961 01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:33.680 of screen time and he can just sit there and 1962 01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:36.119 talk about this franchise like he has anything to do 1963 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:39.199 with it other than being a fucking parasitic fish on 1964 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:41.239 the side of a shark or whale, just hanging on 1965 01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:44.079 while everybody else is going for a ride, because yeah, 1966 01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:46.760 I'm with you. So much of this is just attributed 1967 01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:48.800 to idiots who have no idea what they're doing, but 1968 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:51.520 they were successful in other avenues, so they get to 1969 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:54.640 they get to say they have their saying fuck this shit. 1970 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:54.960 Come on. 1971 01:42:55.159 --> 01:42:57.920 Look, there were a lot of contributors to that first 1972 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:01.399 Alien movie in what made it made successful and to 1973 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:03.880 their credit, and I think it's Walter Hill more than 1974 01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:06.920 Dave Geiler. You know, he made it more, working class 1975 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.199 made it. They're like basically space truckers and like give 1976 01:43:10.279 --> 01:43:12.800 me my shares, Like let's talk about the bonus situation 1977 01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:17.159 like that came from them, and I appreciate that. But 1978 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:20.159 the rest of it's fucking Obama, except for the chest burster. 1979 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.720 That's wrong. Let's choose it, and so like you know, 1980 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:26.600 let's but then, like you know, the next movie is 1981 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:29.600 a singular vision because camer writes and directs it, and 1982 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.680 then everything after that is just stumbling and falling down 1983 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.079 because nobody has shown up and going and gone, here's 1984 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:37.880 what the movie needs to be. And then and them 1985 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:40.439 said them saying, okay, go ahead and do that. It's 1986 01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:41.479 all my committee now. 1987 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.840 So the committee has spoken, and I guess they wanted 1988 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.079 fan service until there's nothing else coinbread. 1989 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:50.319 If she don't like the coin bread either. 1990 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:54.239 Now me either, none of us do. God, but that 1991 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:57.840 that dipper, that Dipper bird, guys, I'm glad I saw 1992 01:43:57.880 --> 01:43:59.960 it again in this in this series. I was wondering 1993 01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.600 where it was this whole time. Anything else we want 1994 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:04.319 to talk about with this movie now that we've thoroughly 1995 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:06.720 destroyed it. I liked it. 1996 01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:09.000 I think it's worth a watch. I don't think you 1997 01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.960 should go out to theaters and say it, but you know, 1998 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:13.800 it's no worse than a couple of the other alien 1999 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:17.039 movies of what's been passing for movies. In my estimation 2000 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:17.720 of plate. 2001 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:20.920 Hey, I would say, you know, when it shows up 2002 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:22.680 on Hulu, go ahead and watch it the way that 2003 01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:24.239 it was intended to be watched. 2004 01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:30.199 That's horrible. Watch it dumped on Hulu where it deserved 2005 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:34.840 to be. Yeah, I am in agreement with y'all. I 2006 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:38.079 think if this is something you're really passionate and motivated about. 2007 01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:40.640 If you're a fan of the Alien franchise, I think 2008 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:43.199 it might I don't know. I think you're going to 2009 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:44.760 be fifty to fifty you might either be able to 2010 01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:46.840 overlook some of the stuff and really appreciate it. Because 2011 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.119 I have close friends that are big fans of the 2012 01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:51.560 franchise that really enjoyed it, And then there's people like 2013 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:54.520 ourselves who are equally as big fans of the franchise 2014 01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:58.079 that did not enjoy it because we wanted It's not 2015 01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:00.319 that we wanted something different, it's that the movie should 2016 01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:02.079 have known better than to do some of the things 2017 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:04.479 that just don't need to be trotted out again at 2018 01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:08.319 this point in the at this point in the history 2019 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:10.720 of the franchise, because we've had it's not like Ghostbusters, 2020 01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:13.840 where there's thirty years between the movies, Like there was 2021 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.399 an Alien movie that came out five years ago, Like 2022 01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:20.119 why are we doing sequel legacy, sequel baiting and fan 2023 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.279 service shit when Alien movies have actually been coming out, Like, 2024 01:45:23.479 --> 01:45:26.600 it doesn't make any sense. This is a sequel to Alien, 2025 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:29.039 is what this wants to be, and that's what it is, 2026 01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:31.119 and in a lot of ways, it being a legacy 2027 01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:35.399 sequel to Alien is the big overriding problem with this movie. 2028 01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:38.880 If it had not been a Alien legacy sequel, I 2029 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:40.800 think we would have enjoyed this movie a lot more 2030 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:43.239 because it's been giving itself a lot more room to 2031 01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:46.119 do interesting things with and instead it just wants to 2032 01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:48.439 be an Alien sequel, which is fine. I just need 2033 01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:49.680 you know what. I didn't want that. 2034 01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:53.279 I think what we got here. I think you're right, 2035 01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:56.000 both of you about the sort of the studio meddling. 2036 01:45:56.439 --> 01:45:59.319 The more I think about it now, I think in 2037 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.760 it somewhere in between dealing with a studio that really 2038 01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:05.239 wants a hard reboot of this series and wants to 2039 01:46:05.279 --> 01:46:07.720 bring back all the fans because they're trying to put 2040 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:11.439 distance between them and the fucking previous two Ridley Scott movies, 2041 01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:13.359 like you have them on one side, and on the 2042 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:16.359 other side you have Ridley Scott, So like, how do 2043 01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:21.119 you satisfy both those masters? And like, in that light, 2044 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:23.800 this is a This is a tremendous success, but I 2045 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:26.159 would like to have seen what Fede Alvarez would have 2046 01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:31.279 done without any fealty to either side. Just take the characters, 2047 01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:33.399 take or take the Alien and then do whatever the 2048 01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:35.399 hell you want with it. I want to see that 2049 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:36.600 movie very very much. 2050 01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:41.359 That's called twenty Fourteen's Evil Bad. It really is, Like 2051 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:44.079 the amount of fan service in that movie is negligible 2052 01:46:44.119 --> 01:46:48.000 at best. There's an ecronomicon and that's about it, and 2053 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:49.760 there's a cabin in the woods and that's about it. 2054 01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:53.520 Like and don't forget the yeah, the post credit. 2055 01:46:53.359 --> 01:47:00.279 Sequence right also that, But to be fair, I had 2056 01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:02.600 a post credit sequence that's part of the movie I 2057 01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:03.760 enjoyed with. 2058 01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:08.640 Yeah, I mean, yeah, sorry, I'm not a big fan 2059 01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:11.560 of that movie. I mean I get it, I understand. 2060 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:15.159 I mean the originally they I'm with you, I like, 2061 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:16.800 I'm with Father Malone. I like it a lot, but 2062 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:19.479 I can understand where someone like yourself, Mike, who's a 2063 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:22.560 fan of the franchise as a whole, similarly to this, 2064 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:24.319 like either you're either gonna like it or you're not. 2065 01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:26.079 There's not gonna be a lot of middle ground there. 2066 01:47:26.600 --> 01:47:30.119 And I am with Father Malone. I like twenty Fourteen's 2067 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:32.439 Evil Dead, but it is the right way to do 2068 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:35.399 a legacy sequel without any of the fan baiting and 2069 01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:40.399 nostalgic bullshit. Because again, like they didn't have They didn't 2070 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:43.560 have Bruce Campbell walk in stage right and be like, hey, everybody, 2071 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:48.279 it's me. I'm ash rememberly Oh no, I mean, and 2072 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:50.479 then that's the right way to do it. But that 2073 01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:52.159 movie came up at the very end. 2074 01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:55.159 He's just like, out of my way. I've handled these 2075 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:56.359 dead dites before. 2076 01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:58.880 Just like Ghostbusters After Life, they just show up in 2077 01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:00.720 the last frame of the movie to save the day. 2078 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.600 M hm, anything else? Are we done with this one? 2079 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:07.159 I think we're telling all right, I take. 2080 01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:10.199 Us home, take us to Is that a reticulan four? 2081 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:12.319 Well, I wanted to thank my co host on this 2082 01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:16.000 episode this week where we are talking about Ilium Rymeulus. So, 2083 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:18.960 mister Christashu, please tell us what are you up to 2084 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:19.760 these days? Sir? 2085 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:23.359 I am doing audio diversions over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Well, 2086 01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:25.920 the culture Cast is in its tenth year. It's been 2087 01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:27.800 a hell of a year for me personally, and I 2088 01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:29.840 haven't been able to uphold my in the bargain in 2089 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:31.960 terms of posting all the time. But that's okay. The 2090 01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:35.159 sometimes sometimes life happens. But for the most part, yeah, 2091 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:36.920 weirding Way Media is where you can find everything that 2092 01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:39.079 I work on other than one place, which is over 2093 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:42.239 at Patreon where you can find ranking on Bond at 2094 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:44.399 the ten dollars level on Mike's Patreon. In mine, which 2095 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:46.640 is once a month, we talk about James Bond movies 2096 01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:48.399 and autom Malone. You're coming up on an episode here 2097 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:50.399 pretty quick. But two episodes from now we're going to 2098 01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:52.760 be talking about Live and Let Die. So if that 2099 01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:54.159 gives you an idea as to where we are on 2100 01:48:54.239 --> 01:48:57.560 the Bond a franchise run, that'll give you an idea 2101 01:48:57.560 --> 01:48:58.920 of what you can expect when you go on over 2102 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.760 to our perspective. So what about you, father alone? What 2103 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:04.159 can people find and what can they find it? Where 2104 01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:04.680 can they find it? 2105 01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:08.439 Well, MI like y'all, it's Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Check out 2106 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:11.199 Midnight Viewing. That's my show over there. That is a 2107 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:15.079 twice a week show. Mondays is Father Malone's weekly round 2108 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:19.239 up where I do current and streaming titles and every 2109 01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:22.399 Friday alternates between the horror anthology podcast, which I do 2110 01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:25.000 with these two gentlemen. Right now, we're looking at Tales 2111 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:28.600 from the dark Side. In fact, this Friday, we're starting 2112 01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:30.960 off season two of Tales from the dark Side. And 2113 01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:33.239 the other show is Anthologies Attack, which I do with 2114 01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:36.239 co host Antonio Lapour, where we look at anthologies of 2115 01:49:36.359 --> 01:49:39.239 every variety. We just did pulp fiction and I actually 2116 01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:41.079 don't know what we're doing next, but anyway, you can 2117 01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:44.840 find us there find Midnight Viewing. Oh and go to 2118 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.119 if you go to patreon dot com slash Father them Alone, 2119 01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:50.680 you can subscribe or support me or whatever you want 2120 01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:50.800 to do. 2121 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:54.600 The Madman that is Father Alone podcasting twice a week now. 2122 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:57.199 Holy fuck, bro? What wow? 2123 01:49:57.760 --> 01:50:00.560 Yeah? You know, I thought I was busy. Apparently not. 2124 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:03.600 Apparently you're the one throwing down the gauntlet now. 2125 01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:06.319 Yeah, god he good lord dude, twice a week. It's 2126 01:50:06.319 --> 01:50:08.800 a bit. It's a bit much, but kudos to you 2127 01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:09.680 for making it work. 2128 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:10.960 I'm very tired. 2129 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.119 I'm just looking on my calendar and I thought we 2130 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:17.960 were recording about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice in early September, but I 2131 01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:19.119 don't see that anymore. 2132 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:21.159 Yeah, oh, I have it on my calendar somewhere. 2133 01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:22.079 We're gonna have to. 2134 01:50:22.600 --> 01:50:25.119 Yeah, well, if you can afford that over Father Blow 2135 01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.119 and I'd appreciate it. But until then, I want to 2136 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:31.199 thank everybody for listening. Like Chris was saying, please check 2137 01:50:31.239 --> 01:50:34.079 out our patreons at patreon dot com, slash Projection booth 2138 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:37.239 or patreon dot com slash culture cast. Make sure you 2139 01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:40.239 make a donation. If you can't afford that, please give 2140 01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.640 us a rating and review over on iTunes. It helps 2141 01:50:42.640 --> 01:50:45.760 out the show. Thank you everybody for listening, and take 2142 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:46.680 care well. 2143 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.000 I came back after all. Look at that stranger things 2144 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:52.479 have happened. I hope you enjoyed the crossoverness of the 2145 01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:55.279 previous episode. I'm glad I got to come back, though, 2146 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:58.239 to wrap things up, because there's one point I didn't 2147 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:01.079 make during the broadcast that I would I had, which 2148 01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:04.039 is in Fetti Alvarez's movies that really worked for me, 2149 01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:07.399 when we're talking about The Evil Dead and Don't Breathe. 2150 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:11.319 The reason those work so well is because they are 2151 01:51:11.479 --> 01:51:15.319 centered by Jane Levy, who is fantastic. 2152 01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:15.760 She does. 2153 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:19.039 She has all the vulnerability and all the toughness of 2154 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:22.600 all the great movie heroines, and if she had been 2155 01:51:22.640 --> 01:51:25.399 the center of Alien Romulus, it would be a great 2156 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:27.960 fucking movie. There would still be plot holes of plenty, 2157 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:30.560 but I would care about at least one human being 2158 01:51:30.960 --> 01:51:33.119 in the course of the film anyway, that's where we 2159 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:37.439 leave you and Ripley, anything to say. She's just staring 2160 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:40.239 at me because she's hungry. So this is Father Malone 2161 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:44.039 for Father Malone's Weekly round Up, saying, well, I'm be 2162 01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.359 throwing a quote from Blue Thunder. I finally found out 2163 01:51:46.359 --> 01:51:49.560 what jaffo means. Just another fucking observer.