Speaker 1: Welcome back midnight viewers to follow Malone's weekly round up.
Speaker 1: I'm found them alone and with me as always is
Speaker 1: my own personal alien Stomper Ripley. Any words for the
Speaker 1: upcoming Onslaught of Xenomorphs? WHOA, Oh no, I know you
Speaker 1: can do it, but you've got to remember they have
Speaker 1: acid for blood. Keep it in mind. You know, I
Speaker 1: have a theory you can tell how good an alien
Speaker 1: movie is by the potency of its acid blood. Think
Speaker 1: about it. And we're thinking about Alien quite a bit
Speaker 1: around here, what with the release this weekend of Alien
Speaker 1: a Romulus. I've seen it, Ripley has not. They weren't
Speaker 1: going to let you in this time. There's only so
Speaker 1: many times I can sneak you past the same goddamn dosher.
Speaker 1: Plus you go bananas every time you see an alien
Speaker 1: or an android for that matter. This movie has plenty
Speaker 1: of a both. So this is gonna be weird episode Gang.
Speaker 1: I'm always striving to get you the latest on the
Speaker 1: latest releases, and this flick just happened to coen Signed
Speaker 1: with recordings by my fellow weirding Way media podcast friends,
Speaker 1: The Projection Booth and the Culture Cast, which should be
Speaker 1: no surprise to regular listeners of this show that those
Speaker 1: are hosted by Midnight Viewing co hosts Mike White and Christashie, respectively.
Speaker 1: I usually just guessed on one of their shows. But
Speaker 1: since we're a weekly now, thank you, by the way
Speaker 1: to everyone for listening. The ratings are significantly up, and
Speaker 1: it's nothing but appreciation from me. Anyway, since we're a weekly,
Speaker 1: we're now prime for crossover episodes, and this is our first.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the usual nonsense of picks
Speaker 1: by Ripley and myself, we'll be talking alien romulus. So
Speaker 1: stay tuned. You want to go first? Okay, cool, because
Speaker 1: I love your choice. In keeping with the alien theme,
Speaker 1: we're going back to the source in both of our
Speaker 1: choices and both of our films like Alien, sprung from
Speaker 1: the mind of writer, director, actor, producer and all around
Speaker 1: weirdo mister Dan O'Bannon. Now, if you listen to our
Speaker 1: anthologies Attack episode about heavy Metal, we talked quite a
Speaker 1: bit about mister Obannon, and I encourage you to check
Speaker 1: that episode out. Okay, Dan O'Bannon. He was born and
Speaker 1: raised in Saint Louis, Missouri, and attended USC Film School
Speaker 1: in the early seventies, where he co wrote and produced
Speaker 1: the visual effects for and starred in a short science
Speaker 1: fiction film that was eventually expanded and released as a
Speaker 1: feature that was Dark Star, and it was co written
Speaker 1: and directed by John Carpenter. During this time, Obanon was
Speaker 1: working on a specscript called Starbeast, which would eventually become Alien.
Speaker 1: Not only did he provide the original screenplay for that film,
Speaker 1: Obandon provided the most important piece of the xenomorph puzzle,
Speaker 1: the one that made the alien such an enduring character.
Speaker 1: While working as a special effects supervisor on Alejandro Jarowski's
Speaker 1: Aborted Doune film, Obannon had made the acquaintance of Swiss
Speaker 1: artist H. R.
Speaker 2: Giger.
Speaker 1: When it came time to make Alien, there was only
Speaker 1: one artist in O'Bannon's mind who could design that creature. However,
Speaker 1: Obannon had to pay Giger out of pocket for those
Speaker 1: Alien designs because the film's producers didn't want them. Nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine, Obannon's living in Los Angeles, Alien had just premiered,
Speaker 1: Heavy Metal was in production, and he was working on
Speaker 1: a script that would eventually become Total Recall. During this period,
Speaker 1: Obannon noticed the increased presence of LAPD helicopters in the
Speaker 1: skies above the frequency of their patrol spurred him to
Speaker 1: write the film We're discussing tonight. It's about an attack
Speaker 1: helicopter the US government is testing out, and the LAPD
Speaker 1: pilot chosen to put the aircraft through its paces in
Speaker 1: an urban environment. The helicopter's nickname is the film's title,
Speaker 1: Blue Thunder.
Speaker 3: What brings you their support?
Speaker 2: Kind of like the idea of it.
Speaker 1: No guns, no kicking indoors, and you know, just quiet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, Frank Murphy policing the air as its.
Speaker 4: LPs, A spare support turn downs, got a runaway.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say so that that was my fault.
Speaker 4: I talked Murphy into taking us there.
Speaker 5: You're supposed to be stupid, son, don't abuse the privilege,
Speaker 5: Roy Scheider is Frank Murphy a lone wolf free?
Speaker 6: Oh so, how many regulars come in a French are
Speaker 6: over a key.
Speaker 3: Who's about to become a guinea pig?
Speaker 1: I thought it was illegal armed police helicopters.
Speaker 6: All I would depend on the circumstance of wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Columbia Pictures presents Blue Thunder a flying parson that hears
Speaker 3: through walls sees in the dark and thinks your thoughts
Speaker 3: wherever you look at. The guns followed. It was designed
Speaker 3: for war touring countries.
Speaker 5: One civilian dead for every ten terris.
Speaker 3: That's unacceptable ratio unless you're one of the civilians. It
Speaker 3: was assigned to American cities.
Speaker 7: Talking about crowd controls from.
Speaker 2: There, and that's what this special detail is all about.
Speaker 3: They told Murphy to test it. They didn't tell him
Speaker 3: what it was for because it are these compas and
Speaker 3: you could run the whole PAM country. Who was behind it?
Speaker 3: Where are we federal building?
Speaker 6: Really?
Speaker 3: And you want to find out what's going on in there?
Speaker 7: Serf?
Speaker 2: You hey, you gotta give you a player.
Speaker 3: Want why they chose him?
Speaker 2: He's totally unsuitable for our purpose or anybody?
Speaker 3: Well? Why they changed their minds?
Speaker 1: I never saw this guy before my life. Come on,
Speaker 1: let's go, f.
Speaker 7: That's so fast.
Speaker 8: That's but when Murphy went looking for answers.
Speaker 7: Every morning, get back to me of the.
Speaker 3: Knife, the answer, Oh I h came looking for him.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 8: They had the ultimate weapon and the perfect plan, but
Speaker 8: Murphy stole.
Speaker 3: Their thunder.
Speaker 1: Directed by John Badham, whom I used to think of
Speaker 1: as a journeyman filmmaker, but now having seen all of
Speaker 1: his early experimental stuff on Night Gallery, I've been happy
Speaker 1: to reappraise his work, and I believe he is really unsung.
Speaker 1: The action he's able to capture in this film on
Speaker 1: to sit alongside the works of Michael Mann or Michael
Speaker 1: Bay for that matter. Roy Scheider lends the film a
Speaker 1: sense of gravity heavier than the moon. As pilot Frank Murphy,
Speaker 1: He's paralleled by Warren Oates, who manages to obliterate the
Speaker 1: stereotypical angry captain character, actually making him someone with depth
Speaker 1: in humanity. Warren Oates basically Murphy has a trainee partner
Speaker 1: in the form of babyface to Daniel Stern, and the
Speaker 1: heavy of the film is Malcolm McDowell, who's playing a
Speaker 1: US military representative who is making no effort to disguise
Speaker 1: his regular English accent. It doesn't compute, but it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he is great now. I'd be remiss
Speaker 1: if I didn't mention the other film from nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: three that starred Daniel Stern and Malcolm McDowell. Weird coincidence,
Speaker 1: but that film is Alan Arkish's rock and roll comedy
Speaker 1: Get Crazy. Which recently came out on Blu Ray, and
Speaker 1: you should definitely go pick it up right now. I
Speaker 1: know I'm shameless, So what Ripley's pointing out that I'm
Speaker 1: only recommending the movie because I happen to appear in
Speaker 1: a documentary on that disc, But that is not true.
Speaker 1: I'm in the documentary because I love that movie and
Speaker 1: I want everyone to see it. So go pick it
Speaker 1: up and get crazy. Anyway, Murphy is chosen to test
Speaker 1: out the capabilities of the most badass looking helicopter ever made.
Speaker 1: Its boxy, and it's long, and it's weird looking. It
Speaker 1: kind of looks kit bashed, the way the old special
Speaker 1: effects guys would take model kits and just slam a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of random parts together onto other models, creating
Speaker 1: something new. Blue Thunder is big and unwieldy, and I
Speaker 1: fucking love it. They'd ripped this movie off a year
Speaker 1: or two later with a show called Airwolf. They had
Speaker 1: a more streamlined, contoured, aerodynamic, futuristic helicopter and it sucked.
Speaker 1: Speaking of spinoff series, Blue Thunder was turned into a
Speaker 1: short lived hour long drama with James Farentino replacing Roy
Speaker 1: Scheider and Daniel Stern replaced with Dana Carvey.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 1: Murphy uncovers a plot to use the helicopter for urban pacification.
Speaker 1: The group behind that has been murdering its opposition, so
Speaker 1: he steals the copter and tries to get out word
Speaker 1: about these batties. What follows is a series of jaw
Speaker 1: dropping aerial dogfights with jents and police helicopters and military
Speaker 1: choppers all above the streets of Los Angeles. It's all practical,
Speaker 1: it's all real, it's all spectacular, and it's a spectacular film.
Speaker 1: But it gets even better when you take into account
Speaker 1: Dan O'Bannon's first draft. Almost everything in the movie occurs
Speaker 1: exactly as it does in that script, except over the
Speaker 1: course of the film, Frank Murphy is slowly losing his mind,
Speaker 1: so in the end, when he steals the helicopter, it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with heroism or exposing a government
Speaker 1: plot or an attempt to keep the government from pacifying
Speaker 1: the public with a military helicopter. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Frank loses his mind entirely and becomes an ultimate villain
Speaker 1: doing very bad things with Blue Thunder. Apparently it was
Speaker 1: written because that increased air presence by the LAPD was
Speaker 1: really disturbing to mister Obannon. He found it to be
Speaker 1: an enormous invasion of privacy. At least terrestrial police were
Speaker 1: bound by the property lines. Writing Blue Thunder was his
Speaker 1: way of hitting back at them, and in typical Hollywood fashion,
Speaker 1: they gave it a happy ending. But it works either way.
Speaker 1: The movie works Blue Thunder, Gang go get it. Excellent choice. No, no,
Speaker 1: you're not getting belly robes for it. Ribley is of
Speaker 1: late obsays with belly robes. He just figured out that
Speaker 1: it's a thing. Anyway, we're gonna go into my choice,
Speaker 1: my Dan O'Bannon choice for this week, and then we'll
Speaker 1: head on over to the projection booth and culture cast.
Speaker 1: Prior to nineteen sixty eight, if you were to think
Speaker 1: of a zombie, it would have been a revivified corpse
Speaker 1: under the sway of a voodoo priest or priestess. They
Speaker 1: were mindless, undead drones doing the bidding of living masters.
Speaker 1: But as the majority of societal norms began to crumble
Speaker 1: in those late sixties, so too did the image of
Speaker 1: what a zombie could be. And that's thanks to George A.
Speaker 1: Romero and his film Night of the Living Dead back
Speaker 1: coming to get you, Barbara. As it turns out, they
Speaker 1: were coming for all of us. Prior to nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: the number of films with the zombie menace can be
Speaker 1: clocked in its seventy about seventy. Since then there have
Speaker 1: been some five hundred zombie feature films. That doesn't take
Speaker 1: into consideration comic books, novels, television shows, all dedicated to
Speaker 1: the twenty first centuries first genuine boogeyman, the zombie. Why
Speaker 1: did I mention nineteen eighty five and what's happened since then? Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you because on August the sixteenth, nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: the Return of the Living Dead was released.
Speaker 5: In the dark of the night, something strange is going on.
Speaker 3: Why you see that movie Night a Living Dead? Sure? Shop,
Speaker 3: Well say hello listening from the glove, mister.
Speaker 5: Things out there dominated you send And now the question
Speaker 5: is how do we get them back into the crowd.
Speaker 2: Frank, we have a little problem.
Speaker 4: For ben right, no.
Speaker 7: Time you want your tongue, boy, If you like this,
Speaker 7: job is job.
Speaker 3: Great? Medical science is battling and the.
Speaker 7: Suppuzzles because technically you're not alive.
Speaker 3: Why do you eat people? Not deeper things.
Speaker 7: Is something that's already did well.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know, Fred, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Let me think. It's not a bad question, Burden. In
Speaker 7: that movie, they destroyed the brain to kill him.
Speaker 2: Is that what they did? The brain right?
Speaker 7: Brain right?
Speaker 5: The military is nervous, usual crapes are confused.
Speaker 2: Same look, God, why a working now? It's not a
Speaker 2: bad question, Burden.
Speaker 7: It's not a bad question, Burden. It's not a bad question. Bird.
Speaker 3: The Return of the Mining Dead.
Speaker 1: Before we dig into the this movie, we have to
Speaker 1: go back to Romero and Night a Living Dead. When
Speaker 1: that film wrapped, the film's co writers, George Romero and
Speaker 1: John Russo made an agreement that they would each be
Speaker 1: allowed to produce their own separate sequels. Romero went on
Speaker 1: to create the masterpiece Dawn of the Dead, which was
Speaker 1: a continuation of the zombie outbreak through the eyes of
Speaker 1: all new protagonists. Russo would later collaborate with two other
Speaker 1: Knight of the Living Dead alumni, Russ Streiner and Rudy Ricci.
Speaker 1: They created a script and a novel entitled Return of
Speaker 1: the Living Dead, which was sent ten years after an
Speaker 1: isolated zombie outbreak. As it begins to occur again, and
Speaker 1: it also features returning characters and locations from nighto Living Dead.
Speaker 1: You can still find the novel I Have One Script
Speaker 1: is another story that was purchased by a fellow named
Speaker 1: Tom Fox, who intended to make it as a film
Speaker 1: in three D with Toby Hooper directing. That's Texas Chainsaw
Speaker 1: Massacres Toby Hooper. But when a delay in production occurred,
Speaker 1: Toby Hooper had to move on because he was already
Speaker 1: committed to make the sci fi vampire Flagal Life Force.
Speaker 1: Left with no director, Fox turned to Life Forces screenwriter
Speaker 1: Dan O'Bannon. Now Obannon balked at the idea of rewriting
Speaker 1: a script that took place entirely in a world that
Speaker 1: had been shaped and shepherded by George Romero. That's a
Speaker 1: professional courtesy that most would seem to just abandon in
Speaker 1: later years, looking at you, Robert Kirkman. Anyway, Obannon chose
Speaker 1: to tak the zombies in a whole new direction, simultaneously
Speaker 1: commenting on what had come before and creating a whole new,
Speaker 1: fresh mythology in this world. Knight of the Living Dead
Speaker 1: is a film which was based on real events that
Speaker 1: took place at a Pittsburgh, VA hospital involving the two
Speaker 1: four or five trioxin chemical and its ability to resurrect
Speaker 1: the dead. A group of punkers go to pick up
Speaker 1: their friend from his new job at a medical supply warehouse,
Speaker 1: which is situated in a burnt out section of Louisville
Speaker 1: at the end of a dead end street beside a
Speaker 1: cemetery and a mortuary. The medical supply place has the
Speaker 1: corpses because they were shipped there in some of army snaffu,
Speaker 1: and of course those canisters get opened, releasing the trioxin
Speaker 1: and the zombies, and the whole thing spirals down into
Speaker 1: darkness in a plot that precipitates the end of the world.
Speaker 1: And if all that isn't tense enough, Obannon zombies are
Speaker 1: unlike nearly every incarnation before or since, destroying their brain
Speaker 1: has no effect at all. These zombies are vocal, they're fast,
Speaker 1: they're smart, and they're hungry.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: I could go on for hours and hours about this film,
Speaker 1: but we've got aliens to get to, so I'll just
Speaker 1: hit some of my favorite bits, the important bits, Like suicide.
Speaker 1: You know him even if you don't know the character's names.
Speaker 1: That's Mark Venturini. He's the one driving them all there.
Speaker 1: He's got the best line here it is, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Got something to say.
Speaker 6: You know, what do you think this is all about?
Speaker 6: You think this is a fucking costume. This is a
Speaker 6: way of life.
Speaker 1: Mark Venturini was a high school athlete who was goaded
Speaker 1: into drama by a high school English teacher, where he
Speaker 1: ended up playing Awakeye Pierce in a production of mash
Speaker 1: a performance I would pay any amount of money to see.
Speaker 1: He spent his whole career playing assorted thugs and strong
Speaker 1: arm tough guys for just because of the way he look.
Speaker 1: But horror fans will remember him from Friday the Thirteenth,
Speaker 1: Part five, wielding that axe on that snickers love. An
Speaker 1: annoying guy, you remember him anyway. There's a playful malevolence
Speaker 1: to his performance in Returning of the Living Dead. Another
Speaker 1: thing I love about this movie is a bit of
Speaker 1: a tie or someday I'm gonna get myself a jacket
Speaker 1: just like the one Freddie wears in the film. Freddy
Speaker 1: is the friend working at the UNED, a medical supply house,
Speaker 1: and he has a satin red and silver jacket on
Speaker 1: the back. In very fancy cursive font is written fuck you.
Speaker 1: You have to look twice to see it, but it's
Speaker 1: definitely there, and it represents a rumor surrounding this film
Speaker 1: that I hope is true. When he was told that
Speaker 1: any scene with Freddy's jacket in it would be cut
Speaker 1: for the television version, and Obannon had a duplicate jacket
Speaker 1: made for those scenes where it says television version. I
Speaker 1: really hope that one's true. Now I got to talk
Speaker 1: about the music here, so I have to pause for
Speaker 1: a bit of boring autobiography. I snuck into this movie
Speaker 1: at the Showcase Cinemas in Revere, Massachusetts. I was twelve,
Speaker 1: and the movie fucked me up in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: but putting aside whatever psychological damage it had done, the
Speaker 1: first thing I did after leaving the theater was walk
Speaker 1: to the closest record store and find the soundtrack, and
Speaker 1: then I checked the listing on the back Surfing Dead
Speaker 1: by the Cramps. That day, I went home with two albums,
Speaker 1: The Return of the Living Dead soundtrack and Psychedelic Jungle
Speaker 1: by the Cramps. The Cramps are my favorite musical act
Speaker 1: of all time, and I know if I hadn't run
Speaker 1: into them here, I would have the next year when
Speaker 1: Googomuck showed up in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre too soundtrack. Nevertheless,
Speaker 1: I have so much appreciation for this soundtrack for not
Speaker 1: only introducing me to the Cramps, but widening my till
Speaker 1: then narrow musical worldview that seemed to vacillate between top
Speaker 1: forty and early metal if and Dead. The Cramp song
Speaker 1: in this film is used twice, once where our heroes
Speaker 1: are barricading themselves inside, and it's played again over the
Speaker 1: closing credits. Now here's the thing about the credits. They
Speaker 1: use this technique. It's rarely employed these days, but you'd
Speaker 1: see it a lot back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: It was like the greatest Hits moments playing while the
Speaker 1: credits are rolling. At the end of this movie, they
Speaker 1: chose to cut all of the funniest moments from the
Speaker 1: film and sometimes recut things so they were recontextualized and
Speaker 1: made more humorous. It's a nice little palate cleanser going
Speaker 1: out of this movie, but it's helped convince that most
Speaker 1: viewers that return to the Living Dead as comedy. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, it's a very funny film. But this
Speaker 1: is a horror movie first and foremost. It has the
Speaker 1: blackest of hearts beating at its center. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it spirals down into darkness in the way most movies
Speaker 1: tend to veer away from in the last moments. This
Speaker 1: is uncompromising, it's terrifying, and it is absolutely devoid of hope.
Speaker 1: Any laughs you're getting while the film is playing are
Speaker 1: nervous ones at best. Because here's the thing. There have
Speaker 1: been dozens of films since the punk explosion of the
Speaker 1: seventies attempting to capture the spirit and the feeling of
Speaker 1: that ethos, and there have been some successes, to varying degrees.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Repo Man specifically, But ever since the nineties,
Speaker 1: punk has been watered down and diluted to the point
Speaker 1: of being just another fashion statement because everything claiming to
Speaker 1: be punk has seemed to have forgotten a prime component
Speaker 1: of the original culture, which is nihilism. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about no future, This movie is no future large
Speaker 1: and it earns every bit of it. The reason they
Speaker 1: have those comedy bits playing over the end credits is
Speaker 1: otherwise you would be too shattered to walk out of
Speaker 1: the goddamn theater. Return to the Living Dead is great.
Speaker 1: Go see it right now you've seen it, see it
Speaker 1: again and again. It really is one of the best
Speaker 1: zombie films of all time. You know where that dambies
Speaker 1: eating brains thing comes from. It's Return a Living Dead.
Speaker 1: Go see it again. You got anything else to say,
Speaker 1: little lady, You're gonna wrap up the round up and
Speaker 1: switch gears and switch satellites. We're gonna head our transmission
Speaker 1: on over to the protection Booth, Culture Cast Media Circus
Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. I'll probably wrap up
Speaker 1: again after the Romulus, but if I don't, because who knows,
Speaker 1: if I will Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 10: Are you sure you want to do this? The shoes
Speaker 10: you want to break and the still highly regulated equipment,
Speaker 10: this could.
Speaker 2: Be already take it out. There should be in and
Speaker 2: out in thoughty minutes.
Speaker 10: Welcome to the Rocky and House space Station.
Speaker 2: That's bascise me in the creeps. What the hell is this?
Speaker 7: I don't know?
Speaker 2: The fuck was I? Yo? Stop playing around? Man to
Speaker 2: get out? Playing around the some in the water. What
Speaker 2: do you mean there's something.
Speaker 4: You don't know?
Speaker 2: It's just something in the fucking war.
Speaker 3: You run.
Speaker 1: You all right?
Speaker 4: Don't work, never work.
Speaker 10: You don't know what whatever comes once they sit together.
Speaker 2: Dress Girl, any.
Speaker 3: Kind any fagend four three.
Speaker 6: Two Welcome to the Projection Booth with a special crossover
Speaker 6: with both the Culture Cast and Midnight Viewing. On this
Speaker 6: special episode, we were talking about Alien Romulus, directed by
Speaker 6: Fetti Alvarez and written by Alvarez as well as Rodo. Sayah, Gwest,
Speaker 6: that's my best guest on that one. This is a
Speaker 6: sequel to Alien, a prequel to Aliens, prequel to Alien three,
Speaker 6: prequel to Alien four, five, six, and seven. There's all
Speaker 6: the alien stuff in here, which was pretty surprising for me,
Speaker 6: a brand new movie. Excited to talk about this one
Speaker 6: with you guys. So, Chris, tell me what were your
Speaker 6: thoughts on Alien Romulus?
Speaker 2: So I think, as we normally do in these episodes,
Speaker 2: let's do pre spoilers in any of this conversation and
Speaker 2: then we'll talk all about this boil bullshit. I look,
Speaker 2: I think I am a little younger than both of y'all.
Speaker 2: Alien is a franchise that I not was raised to
Speaker 2: care about, but I was still of an agent of
Speaker 2: a time and of a place to catch Alien and
Speaker 2: see Alien kind of when Alien was still a thing
Speaker 2: that people were talking about. I don't It's not that
Speaker 2: I don't think people are not talking about Alien right now,
Speaker 2: far from it. It's just if an Alien sequel comes
Speaker 2: out ten years from now, will have the turnout that
Speaker 2: this one did? Is the question, because there are going
Speaker 2: to be less and less people unless they continue to
Speaker 2: make good Alien movies that are inherently invested in the franchise.
Speaker 2: And I know that Prometheus and Covenant are kind of
Speaker 2: maybe when I'm alluding to, because this movie is also
Speaker 2: a sequel to those movies. He sunned up of everything else.
Speaker 2: So I enjoyed it. I think that it has its
Speaker 2: pretty glaring issues, but I think, look, you know, I
Speaker 2: think my you know, one word summary is it's the
Speaker 2: best Alien movie I've ever seen in theaters. But that's
Speaker 2: a pretty low bar across in a lot of ways. So,
Speaker 2: Father Malone, what about you.
Speaker 1: I love Alien Isolation the video game. It is so
Speaker 1: much fun and so scary and is so evocative of
Speaker 1: the original Alien, and this movie is very evocative of
Speaker 1: that video game. I think if fed A Alvaz is
Speaker 1: a fan of that game obviously, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the design work is just built right in the whole
Speaker 1: scenes and stuff. Let me preface everything by saying, I
Speaker 1: really was excited for an alien movie for the first time,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many years, twenty years more,
Speaker 1: And all I took away from it ultimately was I
Speaker 1: really want to go play Alien Isolation again, which is
Speaker 1: a drag. I mean, look, the movie has a lot
Speaker 1: of good points. There's a lot of good good stuff
Speaker 1: in it. But ultimately, where this movie breaks down for
Speaker 1: me on a very fundamental level is there's not one
Speaker 1: interesting character and there is not one charming actor in
Speaker 1: this entire movie. It's it is akin to watching cut
Speaker 1: scenes from a video game, honestly, and no disrespect to
Speaker 1: these actors, but like they're all miscast and they're all
Speaker 1: cast too young. Anyway, we'll get into it. That's I
Speaker 1: was disappointed by this movie. I'm gonna watch it again,
Speaker 1: probably just because I'm a Mascus, but it does look
Speaker 1: beautiful and I love feed Alvarez, but this ain't no
Speaker 1: Evil Dead remake. Like I was shocked at the poor quality.
Speaker 6: Here a boy, you, mister Mike White, Well, okay, I
Speaker 6: mean let's be honest here, tell me everything you know
Speaker 6: about Navarro, what did you just say, tell me everything
Speaker 6: you know about Navro, the character Navro, Oh, played by
Speaker 6: Eileen Wu She's got short hair.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that they ruined the entire scene that
Speaker 2: her character has in the movie and the trailers. That's
Speaker 2: what I know.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh with the X ray machine.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, they ruined that in the trailer. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all I know because that's that's all her character
Speaker 2: is used for in the movie as well. And that's
Speaker 2: not a spoiler. That's literally if you watch the trailer
Speaker 2: for this movie, you see what they're doing. They just
Speaker 2: what's an alien movie? It's gonna have a chess burster,
Speaker 2: no shit movie, No fucking way, it's gonna be an
Speaker 2: alien movie without a fucking chests person, right, count on
Speaker 2: one hand the things that are guaranteed to be in
Speaker 2: an alien movie at this point, chessbursters are one of them.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't even know if this is an alien movie.
Speaker 6: This is more of a face hugger.
Speaker 1: Movie, really, it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 6: I mean there's hundreds and hundreds of face huggers in
Speaker 6: this movie, which is wild.
Speaker 2: It's like hundreds of hundreds of beavers, but with face
Speaker 2: Huggers instead, but I.
Speaker 6: Would rather watch hundreds of beavers any day of the
Speaker 6: week were over Alien Romulus. I really felt betrayed by
Speaker 6: this movie because it starts off very strong for me.
Speaker 6: I was really enjoying the scenes of Kaylee Spainey and
Speaker 6: David Johnson. I think his portrayal of Andy. I really
Speaker 6: liked that portrayal. I don't know how he does that
Speaker 6: with this face where he makes himself look sad and
Speaker 6: confused all the time. I was trying to do that,
Speaker 6: but I don't know. I don't think my forehead moves
Speaker 6: nearly as much. And I haven't even had my boatox
Speaker 6: this week. Yeah, it's so by the numbers after a while.
Speaker 6: And then just all of the fan service with all
Speaker 6: of the lines and just the I mean even the
Speaker 6: movie just starts off looking almost exactly like Aliens with
Speaker 6: the salvage ship, but instead of rescuing Ripley, they're rescuing
Speaker 6: the alien who, which was very tough for me to see.
Speaker 6: I had no idea what was going on. In the
Speaker 6: first little bit. When they pulled in this thing, I'm like,
Speaker 6: is that an egg?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 6: And they're cutting through it. I'm just like I don't
Speaker 6: know what this is. I was really having a hard
Speaker 6: time seeing things in this movie. It's so dimly lit,
Speaker 6: and there were times on the spaceship where I'm like,
Speaker 6: are there lights still operational? Can you turn on some lights?
Speaker 6: Because I'd really like to see that. Like even in
Speaker 6: the station on LV four twenty six, where you know
Speaker 6: the colonists are all that, there's a lot more lighting
Speaker 6: in that colony, even though it's completely desolated than there
Speaker 6: is on this space station, which I don't understand again
Speaker 6: why it's called alien Romulus because the ship is the
Speaker 6: Romulus and the remiss. I'm just like, Okay, I guess
Speaker 6: it's cool. I guess it sounds cool. So I think
Speaker 6: that's the whole motivator of this movie.
Speaker 2: Is it's cool.
Speaker 6: It's gonna look cool, it's gonna be cool if we
Speaker 6: make this reference. Let's make this reference. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: excited to talk about spoilers because there's one that happens,
Speaker 6: and that for me is the turning point to the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, is that the one thing that we're just waiting
Speaker 2: with baited breath to talk about because it feels like
Speaker 2: someone just coming up to you at the playground and
Speaker 2: punching you in the face repeatedly and saying this doesn't
Speaker 2: hurt at all. Right, it's fine, You're fine, everything's fine here,
Speaker 2: like Ian Holme as it.
Speaker 6: Okay, we're in spoiler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, there's no fucking way to avoid this shit
Speaker 2: at this point. But from here on out spoilers, because yes, I've.
Speaker 1: Been thinking, danced around for a while, there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on in this troubling. The ian Home fucking came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the ian Home thing is like, it's the
Speaker 2: bridge too far for me. And it happened so early
Speaker 2: on in the movie, and it happened so frequently in
Speaker 2: the movie that you know, look, Peter Cushing in Rogue
Speaker 2: one was one thing and it was literally one thing,
Speaker 2: one or two scenes if that, like it was not.
Speaker 6: There were more than two scenes. Oh got that movie?
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I said exactly when the credits
Speaker 6: started rolling. And by the way, folks, there's nothing after
Speaker 6: the end credits. Don't bother to wait around like I did.
Speaker 6: I took the bullet for you. As soon as the
Speaker 6: credits started to roll. I said, this was like Rogue one.
Speaker 6: And then Alien Romulus came in and said, oh you
Speaker 6: think that that looked horrific and just living in the
Speaker 6: Uncanny Valley. Well, here hold my beer, because I'm going
Speaker 6: to make this worse than Princess Leah and grahamov Tarken
Speaker 6: all in one with whatever the fuck they were doing
Speaker 6: with Ian Holme.
Speaker 2: Well, look, he's a robe. See like he's in an
Speaker 2: alien in the alien universe. We always have to have
Speaker 2: a robot movie. You have a robot. David Johnson is
Speaker 2: a robot. We don't need to see the ghoulish specter
Speaker 2: of ian Holm dragged out and paraded around over and over,
Speaker 2: and oh it's happened so much that he's not just
Speaker 2: a cameo. He's essentially the main villain of the movie,
Speaker 2: which again, that makes it more of a Prometheus movie
Speaker 2: than it makes it anything else, because Prometheus and Alien
Speaker 2: Covenant are pretty much just about the robots, which, honestly,
Speaker 2: you know, the dude's over read letter media. I think
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of, you know, really laid into
Speaker 2: Prometheus a long time ago. And I think Prometheus and
Speaker 2: Govenant are better movies than Romulus because at least they're
Speaker 2: movies that are different. Oh no, I get it, I
Speaker 2: get that, I am I get that I am in
Speaker 2: the minority on this, but Alien Romulus, the fan service
Speaker 2: stuff that they did is more of an affront to
Speaker 2: me personally than the missteps and problems that Prometheus and
Speaker 2: Covenant are just making, and Prometheus less so than Covenant. Okay,
Speaker 2: Prometheus is at least kind of a movie that's different
Speaker 2: than everything else. This is just Alien with some Aliens,
Speaker 2: a little bit of Alien three at the beginning, and
Speaker 2: then oh, by the way, you guys like Resurrection, We're
Speaker 2: going to give you something that is Resurrection levels of
Speaker 2: insanity in the last ten minutes of this movie. Hold
Speaker 2: let me one up the wildest thing in Alien in
Speaker 2: the entire Aliens franchise with something so beyond that it's
Speaker 2: that's another thing we're going to talk about, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: But Father Malone, I want to let you you speak
Speaker 2: broadly about this, because yeah, there's more than just the
Speaker 2: Ian Holme problem, obviously.
Speaker 1: But let me address the home problem. I admired the
Speaker 1: daring in trying it. And if they had built an
Speaker 1: animatronic and not done any CGI at all and had
Speaker 1: a fucked up animatronic that was spasming and crazy, because
Speaker 1: they could do it. Now they can deprint something that's
Speaker 1: Ian fucking Home, and they could they could, you know,
Speaker 1: put mechanisms in it to do every little facial twitch
Speaker 1: and whatever, and wouldn't even have to be that good
Speaker 1: because it's a broken down Android. Had they pulled that off,
Speaker 1: I think I would have known, okay, But because they
Speaker 1: kept doing photo realistic, deep fake Ian Home, where again
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's it's what's funny is when he's
Speaker 1: in the scene with the other characters, it's not as
Speaker 1: bad for me as when they cut to him on
Speaker 1: a video screen like advising them, because when they ever
Speaker 1: they do that, it really feels like a cut scene
Speaker 1: for a video game, and it's it's googlish.
Speaker 6: At that point, it totally reminded me, Like, I'm not
Speaker 6: a big video gamer and so I didn't play Isolation,
Speaker 6: but even me as a non gamer, when he would
Speaker 6: show up on screens, I'm like, oh, is this like
Speaker 6: the Red Queen in Resident Resident Evil where she would
Speaker 6: show up on screens be like you're trying too hard,
Speaker 6: you must do this or something. Just she felt he
Speaker 6: felt like an avatar for the video game in and
Speaker 6: telling you what needs to happen next.
Speaker 2: Gladdos from portal adjacent and you know Father Malone, Alien
Speaker 2: Isolation is I mean, yeah, I mean I've played it.
Speaker 2: You've played it. It's fucking amazing like it in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, it is the sequel, you know, you
Speaker 2: know Father Malone. You and I I think I sent
Speaker 2: you a PlayStation over the pandemic, right, and so it did, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I and some of this is like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you were able to play some of that because
Speaker 2: like those things were like things that are not It's
Speaker 2: not that they're not hard to get, but it's they're
Speaker 2: kind of ways back in terms of the release cycle
Speaker 2: of stuff. But Alien Isolation is still the best sequel
Speaker 2: to Alien that's ever come out, similarly to the way
Speaker 2: that that Ghostbusters video game that came out is the
Speaker 2: best sequel to Ghostbusters, because it's like, this is people
Speaker 2: making it that understand what the purpose of the original
Speaker 2: source material was, and they're building on it in a
Speaker 2: way that doesn't feel forced and it doesn't feel ham
Speaker 2: fisted because they have plenty of time to so much
Speaker 2: easier to do fan service in a video game because
Speaker 2: you don't have to. It's not that you don't have
Speaker 2: to hang a lantern on it, but you don't have
Speaker 2: to hang a lantern on it constantly because it's just there,
Speaker 2: and it's just there in a movie. When they keep
Speaker 2: coming back to it over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, did no one in the
Speaker 2: test screenings think that this was too much? Did no
Speaker 2: one in the test I don't know who they're screening
Speaker 2: these movies for, because if they had screened this movie
Speaker 2: for you or I or anyone else who has a
Speaker 2: little bit of an issue with this AI deep fixed up,
Speaker 2: they would have said, take this out of the movie,
Speaker 2: do something with this, do anything but this, because it's
Speaker 2: so distracting and it gets in the way of the
Speaker 2: movie doing anything interesting or different. Because like I just
Speaker 2: keep constantly being reminded of a better movie at every turn.
Speaker 2: Let me double again, Oh.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, let me double down to my my, my
Speaker 1: opening statement, the Ian Holme problem and the plot problems
Speaker 1: and the sort of too often reflecting the earlier better
Speaker 1: movies would have been softened had we had adults in
Speaker 1: roles here, yes, and had we had charming actors. I
Speaker 1: like Kyley Spanney as well. I enjoy her work, but
Speaker 1: she is not Ellen Ripley and they're kind of making
Speaker 1: her Ellen Ripley here, and it's a big mistake shouldering
Speaker 1: this movie on her is I don't know, it's not
Speaker 1: a good idea. But then the entire cast other than
Speaker 1: Andy the Android, by the way, they break the cycle here.
Speaker 1: If you go through the Alien movies, they're the the
Speaker 1: androids have been named alphabetically. So there's Ash and then
Speaker 1: Bishop and then Call and then David and then and
Speaker 1: now Andy.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and it's before yeah, and then you've got Rook.
Speaker 6: Now Ash's Rook. And I'm just like it, is this
Speaker 6: a it's a chess reference to Bishop?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: But why because and I want to put out a
Speaker 6: conspiracy theory here. There was a contest that twenty Century
Speaker 6: Fox and a group called Hungle Too n GL put
Speaker 6: together back in twenty eighteen or a fortieth anniversary of
Speaker 6: Alien in twenty nineteen. They were series of six films
Speaker 6: that were written by fans, shot by fans, made by fans.
Speaker 6: I believe, And yeah, I think that they probably took
Speaker 6: some of these fan ideas and made them into a
Speaker 6: full length movie. I'm looking to see if the co
Speaker 6: writer is listed on any of these, because this just
Speaker 6: feels like a big fucking fan film just feels like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: we'll pay service to everything. We'll even mix in some
Speaker 6: of this coming to Prometheus horseshit that we have with
Speaker 6: this black oil which I saw in X Files twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago, So how dare you bring them x Files in
Speaker 2: this conversation? That's a much better usage of black oil
Speaker 2: than this could have ever begun to. But that is
Speaker 2: what they fucking copied there totally. I mean, as anyone
Speaker 2: who's watched the X Files, wouldn't that happen in Prometheus?
Speaker 2: That's all I could think then. And now it's like,
Speaker 2: does anybody in this audience fucking care that they're connecting
Speaker 2: it to Prometheus?
Speaker 1: Like you know who did Ridley Scott? And they did
Speaker 1: that for him. I guarantee you for those every Prometheus
Speaker 1: references and go see we're connecting it all. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Ridley's happy. We can make the rest of our movie.
Speaker 1: But the problem is, Chris, as you said, that Alien
Speaker 1: Isolation video game is the best sequel to the Alien
Speaker 1: franchise that that we never got, and why didn't they
Speaker 1: just make that the Alien Isolation. The plot line in
Speaker 1: that is Amanda Ripley went looking for mom and ended
Speaker 1: up on this space station that is overrun with aliens
Speaker 1: and you're playing as Amanda Ripley, Like it's.
Speaker 2: A natural Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because the game
Speaker 2: already exists.
Speaker 1: I know, like is there a rights issue where like
Speaker 1: they want to make their own shit or something like,
Speaker 1: and you know, Feeddey Alvarez wanted to do an original
Speaker 1: but like but then like he pulls so heavily from
Speaker 1: the fucking game, even to the point if I don't
Speaker 1: know if you noticed, Chris, but like this, anytime there's
Speaker 1: a save portion in the game, it's one of the
Speaker 1: like the the intercom things on the wall, and every
Speaker 1: time you save the game, some shit's about to go down.
Speaker 1: And he does that in the movie. He like he'll
Speaker 1: close up the fucking intercom and then like suddenly swarm
Speaker 1: of face huggers. So he's drawing inspiration from the game. Anyway,
Speaker 1: just make the game into the movie.
Speaker 2: I think it's because this whole thing of the Ghostbusters,
Speaker 2: Afterlife and the you know, the Star Wars force awakens
Speaker 2: of it all. It's like this is the way these
Speaker 2: movies are made now, which is we got to have
Speaker 2: all this fan service nonsense that in like in the universe,
Speaker 2: Why would he say get away from her, you bitch?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. It's it's it's this is not
Speaker 2: dead and Wolverine like, what the fuck? You can't You
Speaker 2: can't do that in this kind of movie. This movie's
Speaker 2: being played straight This movie's being played straightforward. There's no
Speaker 2: fourth wall breaking, there's none of that. Why would he
Speaker 2: say that that hasn't even happened yet We're still thirty
Speaker 2: years removed from that happening because this is only twenty
Speaker 2: years after Alien, which means it's still thirty seven years
Speaker 2: before Ripley gets found because she's in space for fifty
Speaker 2: seven years. So did she say it? Because he said it?
Speaker 2: Like I don't fucking understand, and you know the I
Speaker 2: prefer artificial person. That line makes sense, It makes perfect sense,
Speaker 2: Like I get that entirely, because that's that makes more
Speaker 2: sense than get away from her, you bitch. But it's
Speaker 2: like just with the Ian holme of it all and
Speaker 2: everything else, like fan service needs to have a point
Speaker 2: within the construct of the movie itself. Otherwise it's just
Speaker 2: out there for the fans and it's like, well, are
Speaker 2: you sacrificing telling an interesting story just to have bullshit
Speaker 2: on screen that's already been on screen before. Yes, and
Speaker 2: that's how you get Ghostbusters. Afterlife with a CGI, Harold
Speaker 2: ramis running around like, I don't understand putting fan service
Speaker 2: before engaging storytelling, or to your point, Father Malone, engaging
Speaker 2: and creative character development and character creation, because nobody but
Speaker 2: Andy in this movie is an interesting character period.
Speaker 1: It's a Friday, the thirteenth movie in the Alien Universe.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of teenagers going off to the scary
Speaker 1: place and then oh no aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah no.
Speaker 6: I was thinking of Evil Dead like You the remake,
Speaker 6: which I am not a fan of. I thought that
Speaker 6: the second Evil remake, however you want to put that in,
Speaker 6: which I thought was Fetti Albarez, but found out that
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 2: I like that one.
Speaker 6: I thought that was actually pretty good and was like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: this is really nice and gross. So when the I
Speaker 6: mean the one character who's pregnant, that's all you need
Speaker 6: to know about her, because that's all she is, is
Speaker 6: just a pregnant person. I was like, all right, well
Speaker 6: she somehow, somehow the alien is going to get in
Speaker 6: there and we're gonna have that moment like you know,
Speaker 6: Dawn of the Dead remake where the corpse baby comes
Speaker 6: out of the woman. We're going to get that somehow,
Speaker 6: or like an alien baby in this case. How are
Speaker 6: we going to do that? Because I'm just like trying
Speaker 6: to figure out what the alien life cycle and all this.
Speaker 6: That's where the black goo comes in. I'm just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: that's how we're going to do that. Don't put that
Speaker 6: in your system. Okay, I won't put it right in.
Speaker 6: And then the alien life cycle, which I thought I
Speaker 6: was pretty familiar with. I guess I missed the wall
Speaker 6: vagina part. Didn't know that that was a thing.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I actually liked that. I thought that was so fucking
Speaker 1: gieger like that. And you know, just because we haven't
Speaker 1: seen one of the life cycles doesn't mean it didn't exist.
Speaker 1: So and these are like, ultimately, these are genetic clones.
Speaker 1: There's no queen here. These have all been harvested from
Speaker 1: the genetic contents of the original alien big chap, Yeah,
Speaker 1: big yeah, that's the thing I think, Hayden, the big
Speaker 1: chat Okay. You know, look, we got a movie starts
Speaker 1: with the salvage ship finding them remains in this stromo.
Speaker 1: It's great, right, It's like John's two when they find
Speaker 1: the orca at the bottoms.
Speaker 2: It's like my favorite film in the draft franchise, Jurassic
Speaker 2: World Dominion. Wow, I'm just I'm fucking or Falling Kingdom.
Speaker 2: I'm joking because that's how falling. That's literally how Fallen
Speaker 2: Kingdom opens. They go to Jurassic World to get a
Speaker 2: dinosaur toothed, and then the entire movie is based off
Speaker 2: of that. Like Legacy, sqel box checked again like it's
Speaker 2: not bad here, but it's no because they've done it
Speaker 2: a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: This is integrable to the plot at least, right except
Speaker 1: I agree, except Ripley had escaped in the Narcissus and
Speaker 1: was so fucking far away from that thing when it exploded,
Speaker 1: and then shot the thing with a harpoon and then
Speaker 1: blasted with the engines, which meant that alien was tumbling
Speaker 1: on through space forever and ever and ever. They were
Speaker 1: never going to find that. As much as I liked
Speaker 1: seeing him and thinking like, oh, all the villains in
Speaker 1: this are going to be from that guy from the
Speaker 1: original movie. Okay, that's kind of cool, and I did
Speaker 1: like the mirroring of aliens in that case, like a
Speaker 1: crew went out and found Ripley, but before that, a
Speaker 1: crew went out and found the alien, because that's more important.
Speaker 1: Like I like that plot wise.
Speaker 6: It also reminded me of Superman Returns where he goes
Speaker 6: out and I think they cut this out of the movie,
Speaker 6: or maybe they didn't, where he goes out to find
Speaker 6: Krypton and sees that it is exploded. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: agree with you that alien corpse would have been so
Speaker 6: far away from the Nostromo it doesn't make sense where
Speaker 6: it is. I'm not going to quibble about the physics
Speaker 6: of that, because, like you say, we don't know certain things,
Speaker 6: you know, Like I'm not going to get into other
Speaker 6: than my one thing about the wall Vagina too much
Speaker 6: about that because yeah, I forgot I remember Harry Dean's Stanton.
Speaker 6: I think picking up the skin of the first one
Speaker 6: in the first movie, and so we know that it sheds,
Speaker 6: we know that it grows. We never really see that
Speaker 6: middle part of its life cycle before becomes a parent,
Speaker 6: but before it becomes a real alien. And yeah, it's
Speaker 6: for all intentsive purposes, a male alien, So calling it
Speaker 6: a bitch doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 6: And there's none of that gravitas as far as Ripley
Speaker 6: protecting Newt and having this other mother who is threatening
Speaker 6: her and this other mother who has destroyed this entire
Speaker 6: planet of LV four twenty six, and all of these
Speaker 6: people that Ripley knows. I mean, how well written is
Speaker 6: Aliens that you care about, characters like Drake and a
Speaker 6: Phone and all of these guys in that intro, whereas
Speaker 6: with this one. Yeah, a bunch of dead meat teenagers
Speaker 6: who I don't know and I don't care to know,
Speaker 6: and they don't tell me anything about them.
Speaker 2: That one guy has a really heavy British accent.
Speaker 6: There's something in the waw Now shut the fuck up?
Speaker 2: How many times have I heard that in the trailers?
Speaker 4: Anything?
Speaker 1: Of speaking of fan service, would you guys some corn bread?
Speaker 1: Don't mind my drinky bird.
Speaker 2: Opening scene?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, And we're not gonna be
Speaker 1: doing this the whole time, are we?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 8: We are?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, though, it's an interesting question how
Speaker 2: much of the fan service is him and how much
Speaker 2: of the fan service is just studio meddling. Is that
Speaker 2: a thing that we could say, like, oh, Disney wanted
Speaker 2: and home in the movie, like Disney wanted all that shit.
Speaker 2: Like I'm let me put it this way. Fetti Avarez
Speaker 2: made and wrote with roto psygiis the Evil Dead remake,
Speaker 2: which you're mileage is gonna very clearly between the three
Speaker 2: of us, it's a better movie than this movie and
Speaker 2: just beach over the head with the fucking fan service
Speaker 2: like this movie does. I wonder if some of this
Speaker 2: is just the Disney of it all, which, boy, wouldn't
Speaker 2: that be fucking fun, because I would echo Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 2: That movie's problems. A lot of it comes from what
Speaker 2: I believe to be meddling of a studio that doesn't
Speaker 2: really understand what they have and never has, which is
Speaker 2: why they didn't own it up until the last couple
Speaker 2: of years. And now that they do their meddling, maybe
Speaker 2: getting in the way of these things actually having a
Speaker 2: soul of their own, as opposed to feeling prperty and soulless,
Speaker 2: which is kind of the way Deadpool and Wolverine felt
Speaker 2: at times. And this feels really like that. This this
Speaker 2: feels like a fan film with a massive budget, Like
Speaker 2: you guys liked Alien right, you like thean Holme, you
Speaker 2: like the Newborn in Resurrection. I don't know who liked
Speaker 2: the Newborn and Resurrection other than Born.
Speaker 6: I like Resurrection a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a fun movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think I like res I mean,
Speaker 6: Resurrection to me is in all of the movies that
Speaker 6: we've been talking about, other than Aliens, I think that's
Speaker 6: one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like it's kind of Aliens esque,
Speaker 2: like it's it's pretty much just another Aliens, but with
Speaker 2: you know, space Pirates as opposed to colonial Marines. I'm
Speaker 2: with you, Like I was being flippant about the Newborn,
Speaker 2: but the Newborn is actually like the first interesting thing
Speaker 2: they did movies is what it felt like, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: Aliens is great, but Aliens sets that standard. Alien three,
Speaker 2: Alien three is Alien three, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: draw the ire of the Alien three fan base. Its
Speaker 2: know how we know how excessive they can be with
Speaker 2: their love and hatred of people that do and don't
Speaker 2: like that movie.
Speaker 6: So screw up when you're talking about it being puppets
Speaker 6: rather than CG.
Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, but Resurrection has an interesting, weird fucking
Speaker 2: thing at the end. Of it like this movie does.
Speaker 2: It's just it was done better in Resurrection and here
Speaker 2: it's just it's like a mix of It's like mixing
Speaker 2: everything into a way. It's like going to a soda
Speaker 2: fountain and getting all the things in the cup and
Speaker 2: being like, this is gonna taste good, right, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lot. And none of this was
Speaker 2: really fine tuned and calibrated to be in the same
Speaker 2: thing together. And that's apparent when Alien and Prometheus are
Speaker 2: existing on the same screen together and one of those
Speaker 2: things definitely fucking doesn't feel like the other, that being
Speaker 2: everything from Prometheus. When they go into that lab, I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh God, here we go. This is
Speaker 2: where the movie does the thing, right, this is where
Speaker 2: they're going to do the thing with the Prometheus stuff. Yep, man, yep.
Speaker 2: It's like the telegraph everything. Why don't you movie please.
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing to telegraph because it's almost just the
Speaker 1: greatest hits of the previous Alien movie, right. I will
Speaker 1: say this, I liked The Newborn here better than I
Speaker 1: like it from Resurrection, just because I think it was
Speaker 1: creepier here and better executed. Because the man in the
Speaker 1: suit in that thing. It's so poorly articulated. The the
Speaker 1: Newborn in Resurrection, like I almost wish that had been
Speaker 1: CG instead. But there are some things that I like
Speaker 1: in this movie, and I like that newborn scene here.
Speaker 1: I like the even though that character is pregnant, she
Speaker 1: follows two stories to a point where I actually thought
Speaker 1: the character was dead when when she fell that far,
Speaker 1: I went, oh, man, that's a that's tough that she
Speaker 1: died that way in an alien movie. But so I
Speaker 1: like that sequence. I like I like when whenever they
Speaker 1: show the alien is doing intelligent things, Like there's a
Speaker 1: scene with where we first encountered the adult alien where
Speaker 1: with that girl where it's chasing her and they want
Speaker 1: she wants to be let in through the air lock
Speaker 1: and the android won't let it in because he can
Speaker 1: see the alien sitting there because it wants it to open.
Speaker 1: It wants them to open the door. And just moments
Speaker 1: like that are great, Like I wish there had been
Speaker 1: a movie like that, a cat and mouse game with
Speaker 1: an alien like instead of you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: the greatest hits of everything that came before. I also
Speaker 1: do like these zero G acid Blood sequence.
Speaker 6: That was nice that was a nice kind of show
Speaker 6: piece that they had, and it was nice that they
Speaker 6: built it up earlier in the film, and I kept thinking, Okay,
Speaker 6: that's going to come back later on, but I wasn't
Speaker 6: sure how they would have it. So when it was
Speaker 6: with the acid blood, I was like, Okay, yeah, that works,
Speaker 6: and that's pretty nice. And the way that she uses
Speaker 6: the gun to propel herself around was was pretty cool
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 1: And speaking of acid blood, I like their treatment of
Speaker 1: the acid block. Every each movie seems to dilute more
Speaker 1: and more that like what the what the acid will do?
Speaker 1: Like in the first film, like a drop of it
Speaker 1: like goes through three decks of their ship. They're worried
Speaker 1: it's going to breach the hull. And then you know,
Speaker 1: in each successive things, people are getting sprayed with it
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I'll be okay, just wipe it
Speaker 1: off like no, and and here it's corrosive as goddamn hell.
Speaker 1: I love that aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill Paxson gets showered in a fair amount of
Speaker 2: it in Aliens and he's fine. But Drake, on the
Speaker 2: other hand, gets a face full of it and is dead,
Speaker 2: unequivocally dead.
Speaker 6: I think you mean Hicks, sir.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, you know. I want to go back to
Speaker 2: the thing about the characters, because I watched Aliens last night,
Speaker 2: and that movie takes forty five minutes to get going, Okay,
Speaker 2: go good.
Speaker 6: I love it. I love the length. And when you're
Speaker 6: watching the director's cut, it's almost an hour before those
Speaker 6: Aliens ever show up.
Speaker 2: And it's and exactly so that was the version I
Speaker 2: watched last night, the two and you know, thirty four
Speaker 2: two and thirty four minute version. And the movie spends
Speaker 2: so much time getting its legs underneath it to make
Speaker 2: sure that you care about everything that's about to be
Speaker 2: happening through the characters that they've introduced, be it you know,
Speaker 2: the guy loading the missiles onto the ships, to the
Speaker 2: woman who's the pilot of the little aircraft carrier thing
Speaker 2: or the little ship that goes down from the Sulaco,
Speaker 2: like all of that. They spend all the time and effort,
Speaker 2: and this movie is an hour two hours long like it,
Speaker 2: and it does nothing with any of the characters we've mentioned.
Speaker 2: Kaylee Spanny, she's in a better movie. This is the
Speaker 2: best movie I've seen her in this year that she's
Speaker 2: been in that's not hard given that the last thing
Speaker 2: that we talked about, the Three of Us was it
Speaker 2: the last thing we talked about maybe two times ago
Speaker 2: with Civil War, and she was in that and she
Speaker 2: was completely under used in that movie to the point
Speaker 2: of like not that she didn't need to be in it,
Speaker 2: but she didn't wasn't given much to do. And I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of the point in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways of that movie. Here. I think she's fine, But
Speaker 2: I think this movie have a horror movie problem, which
Speaker 2: is there are characters on screen and they're gonna die,
Speaker 2: you know that. You just don't know how many are
Speaker 2: going to be left at the end, and I think
Speaker 2: they picked the right number. I think this is a
Speaker 2: you know again, like two people, one human and one
Speaker 2: one android or artificial person. But yeah, all the other
Speaker 2: characters are completely worthless. And I'm not saying like the
Speaker 2: actors didn't do a good job. I think the actors
Speaker 2: are fine. It's that the writing does not help any
Speaker 2: of this. There's there's no writing at all. It's not
Speaker 2: the characters an It's not just any one thing. It's
Speaker 2: the writing, it's the performances. It's the choice to make
Speaker 2: them all fucking twenty years old. It's just there's a
Speaker 2: lot going on there. Like I care about every member
Speaker 2: of the crew of the Nostromo. I care about every
Speaker 2: member of the crew of the Silaco, every fucking one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we got to talk about those shares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, turns on the air, turns the air off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's surprising how little character development is in
Speaker 2: this movie, given that this movie is two hours long.
Speaker 2: But it does just feel like.
Speaker 1: What we're given our story is the fucking beginning of
Speaker 1: the movie solo that remember that it's the same and beginning,
Speaker 1: like we gotta get off this horrid planet where we
Speaker 1: never see the sun. Like, wait, they're changing my credits.
Speaker 1: I have to stay another seven years.
Speaker 2: Oh woe is me? They have a ship. Leave, just leave.
Speaker 6: That was the thing I kept wondering about. I'm like,
Speaker 6: is really is the next closest planet really that far away?
Speaker 2: Is it really?
Speaker 6: What is it nine light year or nine years in
Speaker 6: a cryo chamber away? Or can you just op skip
Speaker 6: and a jump to someplace where you can see the
Speaker 6: sun and maybe there's another M class planet around here.
Speaker 2: Guys, Well, you've got a spaceship on a planet though
Speaker 2: they can leave, and they never explain why they don't,
Speaker 2: and that whole.
Speaker 6: Thing of them being on this mining planet. I'm just like, man,
Speaker 6: I'd rather be watching Outland. I really like that movie
Speaker 6: so much better than this. And Yeah, I just even
Speaker 6: with the the Ian Holme stuff versus the Grand Moth
Speaker 6: tark and I was really reminded of just the unnecessary
Speaker 6: rogue one. I mean, it's funny that and Or got
Speaker 6: his own show because I was like, and Or, I
Speaker 6: barely remember that guy. He's nothing, He's got He's got
Speaker 6: his robot companion who I find to be more charming
Speaker 6: than him. And when they finally brought out a show
Speaker 6: of and and Or, I was like, Okay, this is great.
Speaker 6: Now I finally get to know this character, even though
Speaker 6: he's kind of the least interesting character in the entire show.
Speaker 6: It's really more stilen Scarsguard show. For me. I don't yeah,
Speaker 6: I didn't know any of those people. I just knew
Speaker 6: Donni Yen because he's an actor other than Ian Holme
Speaker 6: and our main character. I don't know any of these actors.
Speaker 6: Nothing to latch onto as far as even bringing things
Speaker 6: from other movies, you know, at least with that horrific
Speaker 6: sequel to Pacific Rim, at least I got some characters
Speaker 6: that I remember. Though. They bring in John Boyega and
Speaker 6: her and I'm just like, and what's eastwood Son's name?
Speaker 2: Scott Eastwood.
Speaker 6: I'm like, these are all just zero charisma. Well, he's
Speaker 6: zero charisma. The other two are not boy Yeah, I love,
Speaker 6: but he's not given anything to do either.
Speaker 2: Scott Eastwood is is proto Glenn Powell somehow. Glenn Powell
Speaker 2: is a much more charismatic guy. And his dad's not
Speaker 2: Clynt Eastwood, which is pretty fucked up, but it's also
Speaker 2: kind of amusing at the same time. All the characters,
Speaker 2: I mean, I fall them alone. Again, I think we
Speaker 2: differ on what the feelings are on why they're not great,
Speaker 2: but I think the feeling, the sentiment is still the same.
Speaker 2: This has like a prequel problem with the characters, Like
Speaker 2: they just they don't want to do anything interesting with
Speaker 2: them for whatever reason. I because they're not aliens. The
Speaker 2: aliens are what you're writing this movie for, for fuck's sake,
Speaker 2: Like I get it. Like and then the face hugger,
Speaker 2: Like none of us have ever gotten a chance to
Speaker 2: write that in a script that anybody's gonna do anything with,
Speaker 2: And if we did, I'd probably be just as excited
Speaker 2: to talk about and write for the aliens than I
Speaker 2: would be for the humans. Like I'm not a fucking
Speaker 2: idiot any more than either one of you guys are.
Speaker 2: We're writing an alien movie, probably gonna want to focus
Speaker 2: on the aliens. However, that's not how this works, because
Speaker 2: that's not how this fucking franchise has really ever worked.
Speaker 2: When it's been that's at its best. Even in Prometheus,
Speaker 2: Numi Rapas's character is better written than all the characters
Speaker 2: in this movie. And in Prometheus, it actually does a
Speaker 2: little bit of a trick with that movie because you
Speaker 2: actually kind of care about some of the characters in
Speaker 2: that movie because they give you a little bit of
Speaker 2: time with them and Sam Similarly to Covenant, I mean,
Speaker 2: it takes a while for those movies to get going.
Speaker 2: This movie, on the other hand, is a horror movie
Speaker 2: for you know, twenty somethings and their parents to go
Speaker 2: see together. Because that's the thing. I mean, what all
Speaker 2: the articles and information I've been reading is my parents
Speaker 2: went and saw aliens together, and so we're gonna go
Speaker 2: see this movie all of us now, and it's like cool.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that that can be a shared experience and
Speaker 2: that people's generational things that people have shared with their
Speaker 2: kids can now be a thing that we all go
Speaker 2: see an alien movie in theaters together. However, I wish
Speaker 2: there was more to this as opposed to just alien.
Speaker 2: It's alien. It's like that's not enough, but for some
Speaker 2: people it's going to be. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: those people's opinions are lesser, better, worse than mine. It's
Speaker 2: just my bar here with alien movies. Alien as a
Speaker 2: franchise even is probably pretty high, because this is a
Speaker 2: franchise that I have been watching since I was like thirteen,
Speaker 2: and that's not for nothing twenty one years now. For y'all,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit longer than that, but like, this
Speaker 2: has been a franchise that's been part of our lives
Speaker 2: for a while. I'm sitting listening a father Malone rattle
Speaker 2: off the names of the goddamn ships here, so he's
Speaker 2: as invested as you and I are. Mike, I know
Speaker 2: you're invested as well, and at this point, it's like
Speaker 2: you've got to do more for people like us on
Speaker 2: top of being able to make a movie for everybody,
Speaker 2: and people like us, I think at some point are
Speaker 2: just going to go. You can't just keep doing the
Speaker 2: same thing over and over again with the fan service
Speaker 2: that we've seen in all these other fan service movies,
Speaker 2: because Alien doesn't need it. Like Alien at its best
Speaker 2: was not about trotting out the old lines and having
Speaker 2: people say them knew that aren't to the original actors,
Speaker 2: Like that was never a thing in this franchise. The
Speaker 2: point of this franchise is very different. Point of this
Speaker 2: franchise is kind of all over the place in terms
Speaker 2: of what movie you're watching or what source material you're seeing.
Speaker 2: But this movie just wanted to take a horror movie
Speaker 2: and put an alien in it, which is fine. That's
Speaker 2: just not enough for me at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think about the movie Prey, and I know that
Speaker 6: didn't that that didn't get a theatrical ride. I was
Speaker 6: just dumb tru lu lulu.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that was supposed to be this too. This
Speaker 6: was supposed to be dumped to Hulu. And I remember
Speaker 6: with Pray, I was like, Ah, what do you like
Speaker 6: to have seen that in on the big screen? I
Speaker 6: don't think I would have said that for this one
Speaker 6: unless they didn't. You know, the thing that I liked
Speaker 6: about Prey was that they had like that little nod
Speaker 6: with the gun at the end. You're like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: the same gun that Danny glover head and Predator too.
Speaker 6: That's pretty cool. And of course there's other like little
Speaker 6: hints of things, but you know, way better than the
Speaker 6: Predator where you got, oh, get to the those choppers
Speaker 6: and I'm just like, oh my god, Like, this is
Speaker 6: so embarrassing had they taken this idea because the First
Speaker 6: Alien is very much a horror movie with an alien
Speaker 6: in it. You know, it conquered the Earth type of
Speaker 6: thing or what was the Terror beiond it Terror beyond
Speaker 6: Space or whatever it was. It's like, okay, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's great, take it, but please, if you can remove
Speaker 6: the fan service, just have these guys running into another
Speaker 6: ship or like another alien rather than this particular high end.
Speaker 6: To Ripley in her story, just said, it's someplace else.
Speaker 6: And that's what the comic books, the old Dark Horse
Speaker 6: comics used to do. They had a whole new characters
Speaker 6: that they had and they were great. Those were awesome
Speaker 6: comic books. I really recommend those, and I think they
Speaker 6: could have learned something from this word. They don't have
Speaker 6: to just be so slavish to all of the old
Speaker 6: stuff and just keep giving us these nods, because for me,
Speaker 6: every time they do it just takes me out of it.
Speaker 1: They just map those comics into a fast series.
Speaker 2: All the books, or the fucking multitude of books that
Speaker 2: they've written, all the a. You can go to half
Speaker 2: Prize Books right now and pick up five or six
Speaker 2: Alien books for fifty cents that are better written than
Speaker 2: this movie is. And I get it. It's a two
Speaker 2: hundred page book and it's not a two hour movie
Speaker 2: and all the time blah blah blah. You know what,
Speaker 2: that's not a fucking excuse, because we have mentioned already
Speaker 2: Alien and Aliens and even Prometheus actually do some character
Speaker 2: development that's worth talking about.
Speaker 1: You can get audio books of Alien if you don't
Speaker 1: want to read them, and they've got something audio dramas
Speaker 1: that are really fucking good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alien is a franchise that has so much extended
Speaker 2: universe material that's still canon until Disney doesn't want to
Speaker 2: be anymore, probably at this point, Like there's so much
Speaker 2: that they could have drawn from that. They just were like,
Speaker 2: not Alien and aliens, that's it, And like the alien
Speaker 2: base movies, like nobody has read Alien whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: X Y and Z book, just rip that off. Even
Speaker 2: to your point, father, like Isolations, you would have thought
Speaker 2: enough removed, And clearly in a lot of ways it
Speaker 2: is from the mainstream to rip that off without getting
Speaker 2: lambasted for it in every review for the movie.
Speaker 1: You know what would be a good link between Alien
Speaker 1: and Aliens Allen Ripley's daughter trying to find her weird the.
Speaker 6: Thing that so I had a real problem with Alien
Speaker 6: three in the idea of and this was more in
Speaker 6: the scripts that were rejected for Alien three, but it
Speaker 6: still ended up being an Alien three. This whole idea
Speaker 6: of if an alien ges states in something that's not
Speaker 6: a human, it takes on the properties of that preacher,
Speaker 6: which to me just doesn't make any sense. It's that
Speaker 6: whole idea of like if an alien embeds a baby
Speaker 6: inside of a rhino, it's going to come out with
Speaker 6: like armor plating in a horn, and like that just
Speaker 6: doesn't make sense. As far as the DNA of the
Speaker 6: alien itself, it does cool Kenner Toys Mike it does,
Speaker 6: but it kind of makes sense with the black goo
Speaker 6: with the black oil, like that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: But where, oh, where is.
Speaker 6: That mouse alien in this movie? That's what I was
Speaker 6: waiting for. Once you see that mouse explode in that
Speaker 6: video footage, I'm waiting for that mouseleally to come out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where was it?
Speaker 1: It was just what we got was like a cocoon
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, and then no payoff, and then
Speaker 1: and then we get another cocoon later saying if you
Speaker 1: see a cocoon, there's something in there.
Speaker 6: It's coming for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and and again the Prometheus of it all,
Speaker 2: we have a direct homage to Prometheus with the pregnant
Speaker 2: woman at the end of the movie, because that's I've
Speaker 2: got to assume that's what they're referencing with her laying
Speaker 2: the alien egg, which is very similar to what happens
Speaker 2: to Numi ORPAs and the third act of that movie
Speaker 2: where she has the emergency C section and she has
Speaker 2: the thing taken out of her and bring a wiggling
Speaker 2: on the arm like it's just that again, like they're
Speaker 2: even the thing in this movie that kind of feels
Speaker 2: somewhat unique and original, is ultimately a poor fac simile
Speaker 2: of a thing you've already done elsewhere two movies ago,
Speaker 2: two movies ago, even, not three, not Alien, two goddamn
Speaker 2: movies ago. And how do I know this Because Ridley's
Speaker 2: got directed the goddamn thing and he produced the fucking movie.
Speaker 2: And this is all. This is all. If it's not
Speaker 2: Fox meddling, it's Ridley Scott going, I'm producing this, so
Speaker 2: you better have this shit in here.
Speaker 1: Oh, it absolutely is, because here's I haven't said anything
Speaker 1: about Prometheus or that other fucking Covenant, what was it.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate those movies, like I hate this whole
Speaker 1: what I love about the Aliens, and I will continue
Speaker 1: to ignore those movies. I love the idea that we
Speaker 1: don't know where they're from. There there's a planet of
Speaker 1: them somewhere, and they're just they are the apex predator
Speaker 1: of the universe and don't go there, and all of
Speaker 1: the love Craftian kind of connotations involved with them, and
Speaker 1: instead Ridley Scott's like, no, I'm gonna do this like
Speaker 1: bullshit nineteen sixties concept of space seeding, you know, like
Speaker 1: Chariots of the Gods man, Like that's what you came
Speaker 1: up with.
Speaker 2: And by the way. You didn't really them up with
Speaker 2: it either. It didn't come up technically stole it thing you. No,
Speaker 2: he didn't come up with any of that. He didn't
Speaker 2: come up with anything.
Speaker 1: For any read and either he directed one movie, Like
Speaker 1: why is he Why is he charting the course for
Speaker 1: the rest of these films, and why is he charting
Speaker 1: their mythology? He's a fucking hired gun man. He was
Speaker 1: a fucking shoe salesman before this.
Speaker 2: Dan O'Bannon is turning over in his grave.
Speaker 1: Now Dan O'Bannon is going, where's my check? Motherfucker?
Speaker 2: Yeah that's Dano. That's on point for mister O'Bannon. But
Speaker 2: it was nice seeing his name on screen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it always is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always always is. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: could just sit and think to myself, like, what would
Speaker 2: he think about this movie, because like him and Ron
Speaker 2: Shoest really nailed it with that first movie, so hardcore,
Speaker 2: and then to watch this movie just kind of again
Speaker 2: succeed in what it could succeed at, but ultimately, in
Speaker 2: my mind flail a lot of the time because some
Speaker 2: of the things that happen in this movie are flailing
Speaker 2: in a way that's like flailing upward for people, clearly
Speaker 2: because we're I would I would say that I might
Speaker 2: be the most positive of the three of us on
Speaker 2: the movie, but we are in a minority here of
Speaker 2: finding this movie to be not as great, because most
Speaker 2: everybody I've talked to and or seen online is like,
Speaker 2: enjoyed this movie a lot more than either of us.
Speaker 2: Either three of us did, which is not surprising. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I wonder the amount of experience
Speaker 2: and exposure and yearning and wanting that people who have
Speaker 2: seen these movies, even within the mainstream media and critics,
Speaker 2: are watching it and have a frame of reference for
Speaker 2: the other things outside of just I saw Aliens once
Speaker 2: and I know that that line is in Aliens. I
Speaker 2: mean this to your point, father alone, this world that
Speaker 2: was created is so deep and interesting, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: need to be like. The parts of it that are
Speaker 2: deep and interesting are not the parts that need to
Speaker 2: be explained. Those are the things that I like. To
Speaker 2: your point, I never asked where the fuck did the
Speaker 2: alien come from? Why does anyone care? It's the whole
Speaker 2: prequelization of shit. Thanks to George Lucas and Friends and
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones, the last Crusade, Like, oh, how did Harry
Speaker 2: and Vord get that scar on his chin? How did
Speaker 2: he get his hat? How did he get his whip?
Speaker 2: Like that's five minutes, five ten minutes of that movie.
Speaker 2: And that's the perfect prequel version of anything I think
Speaker 2: I've ever seen because it's connected to a movie, it's
Speaker 2: not the whole goddamn movie. And that's this entire I mean,
Speaker 2: this entire movie is just more of like where did
Speaker 2: the alien come from? It's weird that I haven't fucking
Speaker 2: cared this whole time movie that didn't really care. I
Speaker 2: mean Prometheus and Covenant. The parts of those movies that
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed are Michael Fassbender's performance, because he's great
Speaker 2: in those movies, Like that's really not up for debate
Speaker 2: in terms of those movies. That's the quality at the
Speaker 2: center of those movies is his performance and the way
Speaker 2: he interacts with the other people. But the alien of
Speaker 2: it all in those movies is like I didn't want
Speaker 2: to know where Hannibal Lecter came from. I don't want
Speaker 2: to know Darth Vader's backstory. I don't want to know
Speaker 2: any of this shit because it doesn't fucking matter. And
Speaker 2: for the longest time, nobody else thought it did. Either.
Speaker 6: Do you like Boba Fett? Well, I'm going to show
Speaker 6: you where Bobaffett came from.
Speaker 2: He was a little kid and his father died and
Speaker 2: he was really sa such a cool idea for a movie.
Speaker 1: I always loved all the mystery of the space Jockey
Speaker 1: and the eggs and was he transporting them? Like was
Speaker 1: he trying to get rid of them? Like who set
Speaker 1: up that beacon?
Speaker 3: Was it him?
Speaker 2: Who is that guy? Is he an elephant? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like you know, it's just mystery upon mystery,
Speaker 1: And like I'm fucking totally cool with that.
Speaker 6: How does Ash work without that chip that they give
Speaker 6: to or sorry Rook? How does Rook work without that
Speaker 6: thing that they give to Andy?
Speaker 1: That's a good question that they probably don't have an
Speaker 1: answer for Space Magic.
Speaker 6: I like that whole transformation of Andy when they put
Speaker 6: that new chip in, and I like when he, you know,
Speaker 6: looks up at the sky and his eyes go white
Speaker 6: and his hands are charmoring, and I'm just like, that's
Speaker 6: a really cool moment for me. There's some there are
Speaker 6: some good moments into this in this, but otherwise, I mean,
Speaker 6: does it say, tilts out eyeballs when it goes up
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 11: It's reminded me of warning, Warning, Warning, But things like
Speaker 11: the creature design for the baby alien, like, I tend
Speaker 11: to agree with you, Father Malone.
Speaker 6: That looks a little cooler than the skull faced alien
Speaker 6: that we had in Resurrection. It reminds me a lot
Speaker 6: of the aliens that were in Close Encounters of the
Speaker 6: third kind, like that last wave of them that come
Speaker 6: out that are so fall and spin lely. And there's
Speaker 6: a silhouette where I was just like, Oh, that kind
Speaker 6: of reminds me of that. That's pretty cool. But then
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, and it's got the engineer's face from
Speaker 6: Covenant and Prometheus. Fuck me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was when the reveal happened at the end
Speaker 2: of the movie, I said, audibly along with several other
Speaker 2: people in the theaters, what the fuck? Because it was
Speaker 2: it was Oh, I disagree with y'all. It was a
Speaker 2: It was a worse design than Resurrection because it is
Speaker 2: a full CGI creature that anytime they cut they cut
Speaker 2: to it, it looks like CGI and I'd be I
Speaker 2: will be that guy one time right now and go.
Speaker 2: This was where practical effects would have helped because it
Speaker 2: was already low lighting anyways, guys like you're in a
Speaker 2: dark hold of a ship like this, I mean, I
Speaker 2: get it, Like you can do more with CGI than
Speaker 2: you can do practically. I appreciate it. And I know
Speaker 2: that there is a gentleman who plays the hybrid in
Speaker 2: this movie, so there is a person in a suit,
Speaker 2: but it's also a lot of it that's CGI.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, Like that would have solved the
Speaker 1: fucking Ian Home problem too. It's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: we're not We're not like misusing his image or anything.
Speaker 1: We're using that character based on his look and you know,
Speaker 1: and the sound alike, Like I would have bought a
Speaker 1: fucking if you saw if you've ever seen any of
Speaker 1: the animatronics at Disneyland, like fucking malfunction, it's fantastic, Like
Speaker 1: they could have done a lot with that with with
Speaker 1: Ana Share or Hardy Rook.
Speaker 6: As soon as Rook came on screen, I was very
Speaker 6: audibly upset. I just like no, just because it just
Speaker 6: looked so bad with the way that his head moves,
Speaker 6: because I understand his head's down on his chest doing
Speaker 6: the whole like Bishop from from Alien three thing where
Speaker 6: he's half half they're half not. He did such a
Speaker 6: better job with Bishop with the way that they did that.
Speaker 6: And I understand that Lance Hendrickson was still a relatively
Speaker 6: young man and still alive, whereas with Ian Holme it's
Speaker 6: been gone for a few years. But do you know
Speaker 6: what this opens up? We can now redo the hobbit
Speaker 6: with Ian Holme as Bilbo Baggins. This is going to
Speaker 6: be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Christ don't put that out into the fucking universe, Mike.
Speaker 2: Why would you gonna show up on Rings of Power? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm worried about. Man like, And there he is.
Speaker 2: There's Bilbow walking around like oh no, no.
Speaker 1: No, you know on Canny to beat the Bandol, there's
Speaker 1: there's a research ship from Whaling New Twani and it
Speaker 1: is filled with the aliens. And if there's one thing
Speaker 1: Whaling New Tanny wants more than anything in the world,
Speaker 1: all it's these aliens. And somehow it's just derelict hanging
Speaker 1: out about mining colony. They haven't come to get it,
Speaker 1: Like there's a dynamic that they could have explored the
Speaker 1: whalen Utania on the way kind of think something something
Speaker 1: that they needed there other than rods to power their
Speaker 1: ship to get I don't know, maybe a plot or something.
Speaker 2: I say, where was where was the like opposing force
Speaker 2: coming to get the aliens? Like, because that's a thing
Speaker 2: that was never really been explored in any of this.
Speaker 2: I mean we have it a little bit at the
Speaker 2: end Alien three, not really in Resurrection because again this
Speaker 2: kind of rips off Resurrection that it's taking place on
Speaker 2: the space station where they were fucking around with the
Speaker 2: alien DNA like, but Resurrection does it better because Resurrection
Speaker 2: shows us where the mutant aliens are hanging out and
Speaker 2: where the mutant Sigourney Weaver clones are. In this movie,
Speaker 2: it's like it's just perfect. It's still perfect. Everything's fine.
Speaker 2: The alien got loose and killed everybody, but it still
Speaker 2: looks normal, Like we what what why.
Speaker 6: Rook should have been all about and figure out a
Speaker 6: way to get those aliens back to whaling Utani. And yeah,
Speaker 6: if there's power on the ship, and you see power
Speaker 6: on quite a few times, why don't we go ahead
Speaker 6: and just pilot this ship this whole romulus remiss thing
Speaker 6: or whatever. You know, he can crawl around with his arms,
Speaker 6: we see that too. Why does he try to commandeer
Speaker 6: the ship and take off with some of the face huggers.
Speaker 6: Inte they're going to leave him alone.
Speaker 2: Right because they don't care, because it's just it's just
Speaker 2: And I don't know why they don't care. Because you
Speaker 2: have these franchises, and you have these opportunities to do
Speaker 2: something with them, and you're spending money. You spend eighty
Speaker 2: million dollars on this movie. It's not nothing. That's a
Speaker 2: significant amount of money, at least to me, at least
Speaker 2: the way I look at the world. Only eighty million
Speaker 2: dollars a lot of money to spend, and this is
Speaker 2: the best that you can do is just kind of
Speaker 2: playing the discordant tones of Alien over and over again,
Speaker 2: Bomb bomb Bomb, just like playing it on a piano
Speaker 2: and being like, this is a new song. It's like, Dona,
Speaker 2: we've heard this before. Don't try to lie to us.
Speaker 2: It's like, don't try to put one over on me.
Speaker 2: Because here's the other thing. At the end of this movie.
Speaker 2: This story's over, thankfully. That's the one saving grace in
Speaker 2: all of this is I don't there what universe do
Speaker 2: we need to see anymore with these characters? Oh, we don't,
Speaker 2: And that's good.
Speaker 6: Well, you can do like and or and now do
Speaker 6: a prequel with Rain.
Speaker 2: No wrong, the early d know, we want to know
Speaker 2: why Andy the android is called that, and why is
Speaker 2: she called Rain she was found out in the Rain.
Speaker 6: I mean, the whole idea of them living on this
Speaker 6: shitthole planet and just being stuck in this never ending
Speaker 6: cycle and trying to break away from this. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is stuff I can relate to as an American.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, I get this whole thing. We're gonna
Speaker 6: keep moving the goalposts, sonya. You know, pretty soon they're
Speaker 6: gonna raise the fucking retirement age and they're gonna change
Speaker 6: this role in that role. And it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I get it, and I get this so well. But
Speaker 6: then once they make the decision like oh there's a
Speaker 6: ship up there, we're gonna go up to the ship,
Speaker 6: it's like okay, cool, boom. Five minute later, we're off
Speaker 6: and that's it and they just take off, and like
Speaker 6: you said, it's like, Okay, go someplace else. Then, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't get why you're so stuck on going to
Speaker 6: this space station. Okay, great if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 6: what these cryo tubes? You know what they got enough
Speaker 6: power for three years, Let's go someplace that's three years close.
Speaker 2: That's not what the script allowed them. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: being a horrible person, that's not how the script was written. Mike,
Speaker 2: that's yeah. Someone said, let's just make this alien again.
Speaker 2: Let's just have them on a space station and have
Speaker 2: aliens running around and the scariest part of the movie
Speaker 2: being the face huggers, because that is I mean, the
Speaker 2: most compelling part of this movie is that sequence that
Speaker 2: was in the trailer where they're in the cryo room
Speaker 2: and there are quote something in the water, and those
Speaker 2: things are the face huggers, And that is the best
Speaker 2: scene in this entire movie. It really is, like, it's compelling,
Speaker 2: it's different. There are some stakes, there are some components
Speaker 2: going on because there's the Android in there who's rebooting,
Speaker 2: and then there's the two other guys whose names you
Speaker 2: couldn't get me to remember even if I tried. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and on top of everything else, let's mention something else,
Speaker 2: something we haven't really talked about. I mean, we kind
Speaker 2: of alluded to it that the characters are fodder. Are
Speaker 2: there any good death scenes in this movie? Even with
Speaker 2: the usage of the way the aliens work other than
Speaker 2: is the chest burst or scene in this movie good?
Speaker 2: It's kind of the question I want to ask, because
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I mean, they showed the
Speaker 2: entire thing in the trailer, and the only thing they
Speaker 2: didn't show in the trailer is the shot of the
Speaker 2: alien popping out of her chest, and then when you
Speaker 2: see it's thoroughly underwhelming in a way that I was
Speaker 2: not expecting given the guy who directed this fucking movie
Speaker 2: and wrote it is the guy who had blood blood
Speaker 2: raining from the skies like it's a fucking Slayer song
Speaker 2: and evil Dead, okay, And this is just like a
Speaker 2: little just patch of the alien popping out, like what
Speaker 2: in the fuck man? For real? It's it's a waste
Speaker 2: of time because then when we have the alien doing
Speaker 2: alien things, there's not a big enough cast to see
Speaker 2: people getting fucking obistirated anyways. And so we get a
Speaker 2: quick shot of one of the two guys getting murdered
Speaker 2: by an alien and it's like the movies rated PG.
Speaker 2: Thirteen and it doesn't even want to show you what's
Speaker 2: happening with any amount of like detail, which again not
Speaker 2: saying I need to see guys heads exploding or anything.
Speaker 2: But the movies rated are so you're clearly aware that
Speaker 2: you can do essentially whatever the fuck you want. You're not,
Speaker 2: so I just don't understand why you're not. It is
Speaker 2: probably what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: Here's how excited for the movie I was. I avoided
Speaker 1: every trailer I somehow believe it Dany thumbhow managed to
Speaker 1: avoid every piece of media. So with the X ray thing,
Speaker 1: when she first picks it up, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's cool. That's a cool piece of tech, and and
Speaker 1: didn't didn't think it was going to pay off. So
Speaker 1: that actually worked for me. But the when the little
Speaker 1: alien bursts out, Yeah, I think Alvarez was just trying
Speaker 1: to be different than the John hurt one, and boy
Speaker 1: he existed. He succeeded.
Speaker 6: Wow, talk about phallic. Holy shit, that was the most
Speaker 6: like first sure I've ever seen in my life. I know,
Speaker 6: there's basically a foreskin out a chest burster, but you
Speaker 6: get to see that, you get to see the blue veins.
Speaker 6: I'm just like, Wow, Okay, we're just not hiding it anymore.
Speaker 2: No venus is I like to make every sing phatic.
Speaker 2: Thanks hr.
Speaker 1: But I will say about that chess Burster scene. I
Speaker 1: like the dynamics of what was going on, and it
Speaker 1: was the shuttle and then like slowly crashing. In fact,
Speaker 1: one thing I really liked in the movie was all
Speaker 1: of the all of the space stuff, all of the
Speaker 1: ships and all of the it all felt heavy, like
Speaker 1: there was gravity to it all, and it all felt
Speaker 1: very realistic and very of that universe. So I think
Speaker 1: they succeeded one hundred percent there and including in that sequence.
Speaker 2: The influence of Ron Cobbs still looms large in this franchise,
Speaker 2: thank god, because yeah, then while they may not be
Speaker 2: kit bashing anymore, with the ways that they're designing things,
Speaker 2: their kit bashing and really rendering, because yeah, everything feels
Speaker 2: that's the thing about this movie, Like everything feels proper alien,
Speaker 2: like everything really does. Like everything looks like Alien, feels
Speaker 2: like alien. It's just poorly executed, but it's a it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful movie. I mean, unfortunately, like I d or
Speaker 2: eighty million dollars produced by Disney, Like, oh, your movie
Speaker 2: doesn't look good. That's a bigger problem at this point
Speaker 2: because where did the money go? At least if we
Speaker 2: can see the visual effects look pretty good. The set
Speaker 2: design looks pretty great. The production design and the costume
Speaker 2: design is great. Like, Okay, I can concede that there's
Speaker 2: a fair amount of money going into that, But I mean, again,
Speaker 2: a movie looking nice in twenty twenty four, that's a
Speaker 2: big budget studio movie. I mean, I'm sure Borderlands looked fine.
Speaker 2: Clearly wasn't a good movie and execution, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: it looked fine. But again, low of low bars to cross.
Speaker 1: I will here's the other thing I like that that
Speaker 1: and this is sort of tying back into what I
Speaker 1: said earlier about showing the aliens and how intelligent they are.
Speaker 1: There's a scene where the Android has given each of
Speaker 1: the characters new pulse rifles. These are before the pulse
Speaker 1: rifles that the colonial Marines will have fifty years from now,
Speaker 1: so now nerds have a whole new model. They have
Speaker 1: to go three D print. But anyway, it gives them
Speaker 1: the guns and tells them don't use them because they
Speaker 1: have acid blood and they'll kill kill us all. And
Speaker 1: they said why do you give them to us? And
Speaker 1: he says, well, I think they'll think that it is
Speaker 1: a deterrent, And it is so that one scene where
Speaker 1: they there's like a group of full grown aliens coming
Speaker 1: around the corner, climbing on the wall, and she holds
Speaker 1: up the gun and they all pause. That scene somehow
Speaker 1: that the image of them like pausing and waiting, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I thought that was really evocative, like
Speaker 1: really like worthy of the rest of the series of movies,
Speaker 1: like the things with the actual adult alien in this movie,
Speaker 1: like I've knock my socks on, it's just everything else
Speaker 1: hanging on. It is bad. But I will say this, Chris,
Speaker 1: I think I did like this movie more than you
Speaker 1: because I will never watch Prometheus or Covenant again, and
Speaker 1: I will watch this again for at least for the
Speaker 1: for We were just talking about the production design and
Speaker 1: like like spending two hours in this world, Like I
Speaker 1: will watch it again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the performance that Andy Gibbs is enough
Speaker 6: to possibly bring me back. And there's a few things.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 6: It was interesting that we're trying to fight aliens with
Speaker 6: cold rather than fire, which again takes me back to
Speaker 6: Alien Resurrection with the little bread dwarf machine that he's
Speaker 6: got where it sprays them with the cold stuff, and
Speaker 6: then when she tries to use it again later on,
Speaker 6: it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Okay, great.
Speaker 6: I thought we're going to have instead of flamethrowers, we're
Speaker 6: going to have ice throwers or you know, prayo fuel,
Speaker 6: which apparently is very cold. So I was like, all right, great,
Speaker 6: but yeah in space nowhere can you?
Speaker 2: Yeah at all?
Speaker 6: Are there are some interesting things in this film, but
Speaker 6: I don't think it's enough for me. It's more interesting
Speaker 6: and more enjoyable. And I actually, for all of my
Speaker 6: complaints about not knowing these characters, when you get to Covenant,
Speaker 6: other than David, I don't know any of those people whatsoever.
Speaker 6: I'm like hard pressed to even remember. I think what
Speaker 6: doctor Manhattan was one of the scientists, and Danny McBride,
Speaker 6: and then poor James Franco just kind of gets all
Speaker 6: the scenes cut out. It's like otherwise I'm just left
Speaker 6: with the lady with the dark hair, and yeah, that's
Speaker 6: all about I remember.
Speaker 2: Where Katherine Waterston was just in big franchise movies there
Speaker 2: for a while, and they were not good because she
Speaker 2: was also the female lead in those Fantastic Beast movies.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, that feels so bad for you.
Speaker 2: Sam Waterston's daughter is just getting She's like the female
Speaker 2: idriest elebents like, can you be in something good that's
Speaker 2: a big budget thing as opposed to just being good
Speaker 2: in all the non big budget stuff you're in because
Speaker 2: we want to yeah franchises, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm rewatching the slot slight version and just even
Speaker 6: in that shitty video quality that Ian Holmes, this of
Speaker 6: it is just it really disturbs me. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't tend to just focus on just how bad CG
Speaker 6: can get, but this jet.
Speaker 2: Really hurts to watch. Remember those Zales commercials with Humphrey Bogart,
Speaker 2: Oh God, remember that that's where this all started. Like
Speaker 2: that was like the initial onus behind this is like
Speaker 2: have dead people still, Like Ken, we have dead people?
Speaker 2: He in like sag minimum means into the work of
Speaker 2: a real actor, because that's the thing. Daniel Betts does
Speaker 2: the voice for Ian Holmes character, because there's someone doing
Speaker 2: like an Ian Holme impersonation, right, He's great. It's just
Speaker 2: sad that there's all this other stuff surrounding it because
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I don't I don't know. It would
Speaker 2: not it have been enough to just have the voice
Speaker 2: of the home Coming out of a robot that looks
Speaker 2: different and the people that get it just be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: it's like an Ian Holme thing as opposed, just like
Speaker 2: it is E and Home on screen. Please acknowledge, like
Speaker 2: I don't want to, please stop forcing this down my
Speaker 2: throat like a fucking face hugger's too, like, don't do
Speaker 2: it right?
Speaker 6: And had they moved on to another model, because that's
Speaker 6: the thing with Alien three, the whole thing of Bishop
Speaker 6: coming back and it's like, oh, is this actually Bishop? No,
Speaker 6: it can't be Bishop, So who is this guy? Is
Speaker 6: this the guy that Bishop was based on? Or is
Speaker 6: this another android that look sorry artificial person that looks
Speaker 6: like Bishop? And I kind of like that they leave
Speaker 6: it a little bit vague there, but then in this
Speaker 6: one it's like, oh no, no, they just have models
Speaker 6: and they all look alike, like, all right, so we're
Speaker 6: doing a little Picard season one thing here.
Speaker 2: Well, and isn't I mean, Father malonea work for me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong? That's the isolation. All the robots look
Speaker 2: the same, all the synthetics look the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like just thinking that actually like.
Speaker 2: A plastic like like a plastic like burn mask just
Speaker 2: over like a robot like body. It's just it's literally like.
Speaker 1: Crashed CPR dummy basically. Yeah, like yeah, and they're horrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking they're more scary that Like, here's the thing,
Speaker 2: Alien Isolation. It's a great Alien game, but the fucking
Speaker 2: robots are more horrifying than the Alien is. They kill
Speaker 2: you in two hits twice.
Speaker 1: In my back, I think they are very, very scary.
Speaker 1: But there is nothing that nothing made me more frightened
Speaker 1: of the other than the original movie of the Alien
Speaker 1: than playing that game. You hear it coming, man, they
Speaker 1: just hide and you fucking pray because it knows you're that.
Speaker 1: It's really scary.
Speaker 2: Hiding in the lockers and watching it like walking around, man,
Speaker 2: move back in the locker too, to pull yourself back
Speaker 2: away from it. Yeah, it's video game one or art
Speaker 2: form for certain things. They just are. And with this,
Speaker 2: it's like Alien kind of is made for that kind
Speaker 2: of story to be interacted with in a way that
Speaker 2: is more closely tied to the person having the experience
Speaker 2: is interacting with the alien directly. And that's what Alien
Speaker 2: as a franchise kind of has always wanted is to
Speaker 2: put you in the shoes of the people there and
Speaker 2: by having it be just a spaceship with a small
Speaker 2: amount of people, you can make that feel like anywhere
Speaker 2: else other than space where you couldn't run away, and
Speaker 2: Alien Isolation captures that in a way that, yeah, like
Speaker 2: we've already alluded to, nothing else really ever has, and
Speaker 2: now this is the first thing that's kind of tried
Speaker 2: to even and it fails. It really fails in terms
Speaker 2: of just being a worthwhile sequel to Alien. It just
Speaker 2: kind of ends up being a sequel to everything, not
Speaker 2: specifically Alien, which is fine, but nobody asked for that.
Speaker 2: That was a choice that was made specifically by the
Speaker 2: writers and directors and producers of the film. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm asking for. Here are my two ideas.
Speaker 1: If anyone from the franchise is listening, make make these movies.
Speaker 1: I would like to see a movie made from the
Speaker 1: alien point of view.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, like in a violent nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'd like to, yes, exactly, like where they
Speaker 1: we see how horrible we are to them, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'd like that movie. I would also like a
Speaker 1: Predator style movie. You want to do it on a
Speaker 1: space station, put it wherever you want. I want to
Speaker 1: see one person against an alien. They're hunting each other
Speaker 1: for the entire movie, like like the stuff I was
Speaker 1: talking about then, I like in the movie, every time
Speaker 1: we get to see them like plotting and scheming and
Speaker 1: like like being more than just the sort of beast
Speaker 1: that they look like. I'd like to see that like
Speaker 1: throughout a movie, like setting traps and doing shit, like
Speaker 1: you know, that could be really fun anyway.
Speaker 6: If the alien comes up and opens up its mouth
Speaker 6: and the second set of Jaws is there and the
Speaker 6: guy just goes clever girl.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was talking about this last night with
Speaker 2: Ryan from Someone's Favorite Productions, Like where does this go
Speaker 2: from here?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 2: I think is ultimately like the final question to answer
Speaker 2: here the kind of big thing to think about, because,
Speaker 2: like I alluded to the way this movie ends, there's
Speaker 2: no reason to return to these characters. There's nothing there.
Speaker 2: There's no cliff there's no overt cliffhanger like at the
Speaker 2: end of Covenant, which is clearly never going to be
Speaker 2: resolved at this point, which is perfectly fine, but this
Speaker 2: movie just kind of ends and it's you know, they're
Speaker 2: not drifting out through space like alien or aliens. It's
Speaker 2: just you know, they're going to Vanga or wherever the
Speaker 2: fuck they're going, and they'll get there and they'll be
Speaker 2: fine and whatever. I don't care about their story, So
Speaker 2: where does it go from here? There? My mind goes
Speaker 2: immediately too. They're just going to make Aliens again, and like,
Speaker 2: why haven't they?
Speaker 6: Apparently they're supposed to make something called Alien Earth.
Speaker 2: They showed a preview for that, and in my theater,
Speaker 2: actually I wanted to ask you guys about that. So
Speaker 2: there was it was like a three or four second
Speaker 2: maybe ten at the most teaser, and it was the
Speaker 2: shot of the Earth being reflected on something, and then
Speaker 2: you kind of realize as it's moving, the thing is
Speaker 2: moving up that it's actually the reflection of the Earth
Speaker 2: on that top of the alien's carapace, like on the
Speaker 2: top of his head, and it kind of moves up
Speaker 2: and he goes and it's Alien Earth Summer twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and that's a Hulu thing. But and now they're finally
Speaker 2: taking the Aliens to Earth, which means is this in
Speaker 2: the end of that series?
Speaker 1: That what Noah Holly is doing?
Speaker 2: No that is that is that is the series? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well you know who cares? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it because it's like an alien universe, but.
Speaker 2: Like it's Noah Hawley. He actually knows it's not.
Speaker 1: Going to be It's not going to be the Earth
Speaker 1: war that we want. It's not going to be the
Speaker 1: Dark Horse comics.
Speaker 6: No no, And I promised him that since Alien three.
Speaker 6: When they first had the posters for Alien three, it
Speaker 6: said this time it's hiding in the most terrifying place
Speaker 6: of all I don't find I've said this many times before.
Speaker 6: I don't find segorting a Weaver's stomach to be that terrifying.
Speaker 6: I figure it was going to be Earth and they
Speaker 6: even had like it was tied in with the poster
Speaker 6: with the really teaser preview and it was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is going to be fantastic, and yeah, they've been
Speaker 6: on Earth with Alien Versus Predator and Alien What was
Speaker 6: that Versus Predator.
Speaker 2: That the movie nobody saw because it was so.
Speaker 6: Dark, and oh, yeah, you're right. I went to the theater.
Speaker 6: I can't say I saw the movie correct. Yeah, it was,
Speaker 6: Oh god, that was awful. I really like the first
Speaker 6: Alien Versus Predator and that was kind of cool that
Speaker 6: it was all isolated and kind of you know a
Speaker 6: little bit like the thing that we're doing this down
Speaker 6: in Antarctica. I was like, all right, this is kind.
Speaker 2: Of nice, and that's its own that's its own timeline too.
Speaker 2: By the way that that exists separate from Alien and Predator,
Speaker 2: that is not they're not cannon either. Alien and a
Speaker 2: VP and a VP Requiem are their own things, separate
Speaker 2: from everything on top of everything else.
Speaker 6: And I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm I'm really. The
Speaker 6: thing that was getting me was this whole we need
Speaker 6: to explain what Whalen and Utani are and that we
Speaker 6: have like, oh, miss Waylan's joining us, Oh, bring that
Speaker 6: box to mister Utani. I was like, I don't give
Speaker 6: a shit, guys, just get the fuck on with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I wonder why they've never done another Colonial
Speaker 2: Marines thing, Like why they've never just gone down that road,
Speaker 2: like of all the things. Just get a bunch of
Speaker 2: semi charismatic actors together, throw them into an Alien's esque
Speaker 2: setting and just have like the Radio Silence guys who
Speaker 2: did those Scream sequels and Abigail, have them do it
Speaker 2: like it'll be They know how to work and write
Speaker 2: for like an ensemble cast of people clearly, and they
Speaker 2: could do it. And look, they actually have a sense
Speaker 2: of fun to what they do as opposed to it
Speaker 2: being just kind of grim dark and series. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Alien Romulus was grim darkin series, but it's trying
Speaker 2: to be Alien, it's not trying to be Aliens. There's
Speaker 2: not necessarily the sense of fun that you get from Aliens,
Speaker 2: which is I think a action and fun movie in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways that almost nothing else in the
Speaker 2: franchise ever gets to because everything else is kind of
Speaker 2: doing its own thing or trying to just be a
Speaker 2: horror movie. I think that that's where this needs to go, Like,
Speaker 2: take that and just do the Aliens thing again. Why not?
Speaker 2: What's the worst that could happen? You get a entertaining
Speaker 2: action movie with semi charismatic actors or really charismatic actors
Speaker 2: fighting aliens for two hours. I mean it worked for
Speaker 2: James Cameron. You're telling me someone hasn't thought in the
Speaker 2: last forty years to just do that again. I don't
Speaker 2: get it. I mean, I like Alien, but why do
Speaker 2: we need to redo Alien? Why not just redo Aliens?
Speaker 2: Is there not more room with that to do more?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Like Okay, we'll just have them shooting aliens a little
Speaker 2: bit in this movie. That's advocative of aliens. I mean
Speaker 2: not really, but in the scheme of this movie versus Alien, yes,
Speaker 2: they have guns. In this movie they are shooting aliens.
Speaker 2: That never happens in Alien. He literally goes, you know
Speaker 2: what does he say? He's like, you'll rig up some
Speaker 2: of those incinerators, which that line always made me think, like,
Speaker 2: these aren't even a thing that they're ever using for
Speaker 2: anything other than like a technical purpose. It's not to
Speaker 2: defend themselves, so like.
Speaker 6: They're in a cargo ship, they don't need weapons exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well, and Aliens is such a fun
Speaker 2: movie because it's like, now the Aliens are the ones
Speaker 2: that are outmatched, until you realize that's not the case
Speaker 2: so clearly. But that's because James Cameron actually took a
Speaker 2: right instead of going left. And I want someone to
Speaker 2: do that with this franchise at this point, because it's
Speaker 2: not that the Aliens aren't scary, far from it, but
Speaker 2: the Alien has been scary in other things so successfully.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone else can do it as well
Speaker 2: anymore clearly with something like this they tried, and it's like, eh, sure,
Speaker 2: it's kind of scary, it's kind of entertaining, but like
Speaker 2: the original Alien will never be matched in actually being
Speaker 2: unsettling and creepy and disturbing and creating a sense of
Speaker 2: dread throughout the movie that can't be escaped because you're
Speaker 2: on a fucking space station cargo ship. However, you know
Speaker 2: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this one could have gotten there had it
Speaker 1: not been saddled with all of the worst characters and
Speaker 1: all of the sort of bullshit fan service and all
Speaker 1: that kind of nonsense.
Speaker 2: Like I want it close as it's gotten. It's Alien.
Speaker 1: I wanted to take a right turn as well. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to make Aliens again, Like
Speaker 1: I want them to do something interesting that we haven't
Speaker 1: seen before, Like stop fucking like going all of the
Speaker 1: ship from the past. We've been there already, Like do
Speaker 1: something new.
Speaker 2: I have an idea here. What if Kaylee, Spanny and
Speaker 2: Andy there was a face hugger on board? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: let's say that they crashed on like a wood planet. Okay,
Speaker 2: and let's say that the face hugger got Kaylee spanning.
Speaker 2: How would you feel about that? Father? In along two
Speaker 2: close to Alien three. I would you know what?
Speaker 1: I would ask? Everything after aliens doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me, because how how does an alien get on
Speaker 1: the fucking silaca?
Speaker 2: Imagine an egg? Like?
Speaker 1: Don't they show eggs like falling over like with the
Speaker 1: wood flames going and stuff? How did they get there?
Speaker 1: The queen, we say here, tear away from her ovipositor
Speaker 1: and come running after Ripley and then gets on the ship.
Speaker 1: Where did the fucking eggs come from?
Speaker 6: I wish I knew? Yeah, you would think that of
Speaker 6: all the things Ripley would do, she would make sure
Speaker 6: there's no goddamn aliens on that ship.
Speaker 2: Before they they have motion trackers, they would just walk
Speaker 2: around the ship. And yeah, smart characters acting stupid is
Speaker 2: a great way to get your sequel to a movie
Speaker 2: rolling in the wrong direction.
Speaker 6: That's that's this movie too. When they're trying to go
Speaker 6: through first off, it cracks me up that we're still
Speaker 6: using fahrenheit in space here. That's that's fantastic. Get the
Speaker 6: room up to ninety eight point six fahrenheit, walk through
Speaker 6: this thing, and then have your fucking radio on. And
Speaker 6: that doesn't immediately trigger because they're like oh, they're attracted
Speaker 6: to sound, but really more it's the heat. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: but yet he's just basically having a conversation with the
Speaker 6: pregnant lady the whole and I'm like, shut the fuck
Speaker 6: up and get out of there, idiot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought just her through this speaker would would
Speaker 1: be enough to trigger that. It would be him going like,
Speaker 1: please stop talking, stop talking, stop stop. You know, like
Speaker 1: that scene should have been successful in it was not
Speaker 1: for me. The trek through through face hugger hollow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was basically when they swim under the ship,
Speaker 6: you know, not the Betty, I can't Betty was the
Speaker 6: ship that they came in on, but an alien resurrection.
Speaker 6: When they go underneath and they're in the cafeteria coming
Speaker 6: up on the other side, I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 6: kind of like that, like we have to go through
Speaker 6: this impossible area and we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 6: But no, we'll fuck that up too.
Speaker 2: Look, it's gonna it's gonna check enough boxes for enough people, and.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I've seen people like oh I'm going to
Speaker 6: see it for a third time today.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, Okay, if we can get a colonial
Speaker 1: Marines television series out of this, like maybe just a
Speaker 1: limited show. Like, you know, I'm sure those Marines fought
Speaker 1: more than aliens. They seem to have a history with
Speaker 1: with with aliens prior to the Zeno morph, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they were clearly unprepared for it,
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that they haven't tangled with other things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just going to be another bug hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and then they've got that what is it Arcturian pussy
Speaker 6: that they're after, doesn't matter if it's Arturian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man or woman apparently. Yeah, Yeah, I think about
Speaker 2: that because I like, like you've clearly alluded to an
Speaker 2: al aliens that in Hangar scene, they're like, it's another
Speaker 2: bug hunt. There might be a xenomorph. It's like these okay,
Speaker 2: so they know, like there's some awareness the term xenomorph.
Speaker 2: These guys don't just go a lot when they hear it.
Speaker 2: They're kind of like a little nonplussed. It would seem so,
Speaker 2: but again, xenomorph is Again that's the other thing about
Speaker 2: this franchise that immediately, like when people are talking about it,
Speaker 2: like the xenomorph actually is the alien. That's just that's
Speaker 2: just the name that they're giving broadly to aliens in
Speaker 2: this series in general, Like, the Xenomorph's not actually the
Speaker 2: name of the alien at all. It never has been.
Speaker 2: That's like, I think the one time it's used in
Speaker 2: the entire Original four movies is in Aliens when they
Speaker 2: say xenomorph, because I guess James Cameron's like, we have
Speaker 2: to say zeno morph for whatever reason. But xenomorph is
Speaker 2: not the name of the alien. That's never been actually
Speaker 2: the name. That's just what they're talking about in that scene.
Speaker 2: But all aliens broadly in the Alien Universe are xenomorphs because.
Speaker 1: That's because the alien was really really selfish and he said,
Speaker 1: I'll just take that.
Speaker 2: That's what he is.
Speaker 1: That's mine. Now, if you refer to an alien, you're
Speaker 1: talking about me, and you know what he's right, Well, it's.
Speaker 6: That whole thing. You know, Baby Yoda is not actually
Speaker 6: a Yoda. Yoda is a is something, but we don't
Speaker 6: know what he is, and so that's not a baby Yoda.
Speaker 6: Come on, guys, it really makes me mad. Come on,
Speaker 6: I should call him Grogu. Hey, don't dead name Grogu.
Speaker 2: Wow? Here I am that picking. I just feel like
Speaker 2: such an asshole. Hey, I hope we get more alien stuff.
Speaker 2: We clearly are, but maybe not this Maybe not alien again, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I just Predator has had, like all these
Speaker 2: movies have had so many missteps at this point, Like
Speaker 2: we have we haven't mentioned the one franchise that this
Speaker 2: does get compared to, and I think now it's kind
Speaker 2: of broken away from being compared to it. But there
Speaker 2: was a time where this franchise was compared to Terminator
Speaker 2: in the same breath.
Speaker 6: And we're like, has fought aliens in the comics?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sure have, And I believe at one point
Speaker 2: the Terminator and the Alien and the Predator squared off
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: But one is better than another? What are you saying
Speaker 1: one franchise is better?
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that I think that Alien Is has
Speaker 2: broken free from the problems that Terminator now has more
Speaker 2: than ever. But I don't think that that's. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: broken free, maybe a couple of degrees, but I still
Speaker 2: think they're they're still spinning in gravity about to slam
Speaker 2: into the same plan. I think Terminator is just a
Speaker 2: lot further along with how bad everything has been since
Speaker 2: Terminator two, And there are how many Terminator movies. Since,
Speaker 2: like you said it yourself, father, I'm like, since Aliens,
Speaker 2: none of this really has mattered in any substantive way
Speaker 2: to the point where they retcon the beginning of Alien three.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know about that, but
Speaker 2: in the Alien Colonial Marines game, which is Cannon Kicks
Speaker 2: is still alive. Yeah, Like that's it, Like, yeah.
Speaker 6: Books Hicks and are still alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, Oh, you mean the characters from Aliens,
Speaker 2: the second best movie in this franchise, they didn't deserve
Speaker 2: to die off screen? Really? H hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's all such Hill and Geiler stuff. I mean, Walter Hi,
Speaker 6: Walter Hill. I love a lot of his work, but
Speaker 6: him and Aliens do not go together. Well. Like, every
Speaker 6: while I was doing my research on Alien three, every
Speaker 6: bad decision was coming right from those two.
Speaker 2: Geiler is such a fucking dick, and he tried so
Speaker 2: hard to make sure Dan O'Bannon didn't get a fucking credit.
Speaker 2: And every time I see him on those documentaries that
Speaker 2: I watch every now and then about this franchise, it
Speaker 2: makes me so angry that they gave him any amount
Speaker 2: of screen time and he can just sit there and
Speaker 2: talk about this franchise like he has anything to do
Speaker 2: with it other than being a fucking parasitic fish on
Speaker 2: the side of a shark or whale, just hanging on
Speaker 2: while everybody else is going for a ride, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. So much of this is just attributed
Speaker 2: to idiots who have no idea what they're doing, but
Speaker 2: they were successful in other avenues, so they get to
Speaker 2: they get to say they have their saying fuck this shit.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: Look, there were a lot of contributors to that first
Speaker 1: Alien movie in what made it made successful and to
Speaker 1: their credit, and I think it's Walter Hill more than
Speaker 1: Dave Geiler. You know, he made it more, working class
Speaker 1: made it. They're like basically space truckers and like give
Speaker 1: me my shares, Like let's talk about the bonus situation
Speaker 1: like that came from them, and I appreciate that. But
Speaker 1: the rest of it's fucking Obama, except for the chest burster.
Speaker 1: That's wrong. Let's choose it, and so like you know,
Speaker 1: let's but then, like you know, the next movie is
Speaker 1: a singular vision because camer writes and directs it, and
Speaker 1: then everything after that is just stumbling and falling down
Speaker 1: because nobody has shown up and going and gone, here's
Speaker 1: what the movie needs to be. And then and them
Speaker 1: said them saying, okay, go ahead and do that. It's
Speaker 1: all my committee now.
Speaker 2: So the committee has spoken, and I guess they wanted
Speaker 2: fan service until there's nothing else coinbread.
Speaker 6: If she don't like the coin bread either.
Speaker 2: Now me either, none of us do. God, but that
Speaker 2: that dipper, that Dipper bird, guys, I'm glad I saw
Speaker 2: it again in this in this series. I was wondering
Speaker 2: where it was this whole time. Anything else we want
Speaker 2: to talk about with this movie now that we've thoroughly
Speaker 2: destroyed it. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth a watch. I don't think you
Speaker 1: should go out to theaters and say it, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's no worse than a couple of the other alien
Speaker 1: movies of what's been passing for movies. In my estimation
Speaker 1: of plate.
Speaker 6: Hey, I would say, you know, when it shows up
Speaker 6: on Hulu, go ahead and watch it the way that
Speaker 6: it was intended to be watched.
Speaker 2: That's horrible. Watch it dumped on Hulu where it deserved
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, I am in agreement with y'all. I
Speaker 2: think if this is something you're really passionate and motivated about.
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the Alien franchise, I think
Speaker 2: it might I don't know. I think you're going to
Speaker 2: be fifty to fifty you might either be able to
Speaker 2: overlook some of the stuff and really appreciate it. Because
Speaker 2: I have close friends that are big fans of the
Speaker 2: franchise that really enjoyed it, And then there's people like
Speaker 2: ourselves who are equally as big fans of the franchise
Speaker 2: that did not enjoy it because we wanted It's not
Speaker 2: that we wanted something different, it's that the movie should
Speaker 2: have known better than to do some of the things
Speaker 2: that just don't need to be trotted out again at
Speaker 2: this point in the at this point in the history
Speaker 2: of the franchise, because we've had it's not like Ghostbusters,
Speaker 2: where there's thirty years between the movies, Like there was
Speaker 2: an Alien movie that came out five years ago, Like
Speaker 2: why are we doing sequel legacy, sequel baiting and fan
Speaker 2: service shit when Alien movies have actually been coming out, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense. This is a sequel to Alien,
Speaker 2: is what this wants to be, and that's what it is,
Speaker 2: and in a lot of ways, it being a legacy
Speaker 2: sequel to Alien is the big overriding problem with this movie.
Speaker 2: If it had not been a Alien legacy sequel, I
Speaker 2: think we would have enjoyed this movie a lot more
Speaker 2: because it's been giving itself a lot more room to
Speaker 2: do interesting things with and instead it just wants to
Speaker 2: be an Alien sequel, which is fine. I just need
Speaker 2: you know what. I didn't want that.
Speaker 1: I think what we got here. I think you're right,
Speaker 1: both of you about the sort of the studio meddling.
Speaker 1: The more I think about it now, I think in
Speaker 1: it somewhere in between dealing with a studio that really
Speaker 1: wants a hard reboot of this series and wants to
Speaker 1: bring back all the fans because they're trying to put
Speaker 1: distance between them and the fucking previous two Ridley Scott movies,
Speaker 1: like you have them on one side, and on the
Speaker 1: other side you have Ridley Scott, So like, how do
Speaker 1: you satisfy both those masters? And like, in that light,
Speaker 1: this is a This is a tremendous success, but I
Speaker 1: would like to have seen what Fede Alvarez would have
Speaker 1: done without any fealty to either side. Just take the characters,
Speaker 1: take or take the Alien and then do whatever the
Speaker 1: hell you want with it. I want to see that
Speaker 1: movie very very much.
Speaker 2: That's called twenty Fourteen's Evil Bad. It really is, Like
Speaker 2: the amount of fan service in that movie is negligible
Speaker 2: at best. There's an ecronomicon and that's about it, and
Speaker 2: there's a cabin in the woods and that's about it.
Speaker 6: Like and don't forget the yeah, the post credit.
Speaker 9: Sequence right also that, But to be fair, I had
Speaker 9: a post credit sequence that's part of the movie I
Speaker 9: enjoyed with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, sorry, I'm not a big fan
Speaker 2: of that movie. I mean I get it, I understand.
Speaker 2: I mean the originally they I'm with you, I like,
Speaker 2: I'm with Father Malone. I like it a lot, but
Speaker 2: I can understand where someone like yourself, Mike, who's a
Speaker 2: fan of the franchise as a whole, similarly to this,
Speaker 2: like either you're either gonna like it or you're not.
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be a lot of middle ground there.
Speaker 2: And I am with Father Malone. I like twenty Fourteen's
Speaker 2: Evil Dead, but it is the right way to do
Speaker 2: a legacy sequel without any of the fan baiting and
Speaker 2: nostalgic bullshit. Because again, like they didn't have They didn't
Speaker 2: have Bruce Campbell walk in stage right and be like, hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: it's me. I'm ash rememberly Oh no, I mean, and
Speaker 2: then that's the right way to do it. But that
Speaker 2: movie came up at the very end.
Speaker 6: He's just like, out of my way. I've handled these
Speaker 6: dead dites before.
Speaker 2: Just like Ghostbusters After Life, they just show up in
Speaker 2: the last frame of the movie to save the day.
Speaker 2: M hm, anything else? Are we done with this one?
Speaker 6: I think we're telling all right, I take.
Speaker 2: Us home, take us to Is that a reticulan four?
Speaker 6: Well, I wanted to thank my co host on this
Speaker 6: episode this week where we are talking about Ilium Rymeulus. So,
Speaker 6: mister Christashu, please tell us what are you up to
Speaker 6: these days? Sir?
Speaker 2: I am doing audio diversions over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. Well,
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Speaker 6: Yeah? You know, I thought I was busy. Apparently not.
Speaker 6: Apparently you're the one throwing down the gauntlet now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, god he good lord dude, twice a week. It's
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Speaker 1: I'm very tired.
Speaker 6: I'm just looking on my calendar and I thought we
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Speaker 1: I came back after all. Look at that stranger things
Speaker 1: have happened. I hope you enjoyed the crossoverness of the
Speaker 1: previous episode. I'm glad I got to come back, though,
Speaker 1: to wrap things up, because there's one point I didn't
Speaker 1: make during the broadcast that I would I had, which
Speaker 1: is in Fetti Alvarez's movies that really worked for me,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about The Evil Dead and Don't Breathe.
Speaker 1: The reason those work so well is because they are
Speaker 1: centered by Jane Levy, who is fantastic.
Speaker 3: She does.
Speaker 1: She has all the vulnerability and all the toughness of
Speaker 1: all the great movie heroines, and if she had been
Speaker 1: the center of Alien Romulus, it would be a great
Speaker 1: fucking movie. There would still be plot holes of plenty,
Speaker 1: but I would care about at least one human being
Speaker 1: in the course of the film anyway, that's where we
Speaker 1: leave you and Ripley, anything to say. She's just staring
Speaker 1: at me because she's hungry. So this is Father Malone
Speaker 1: for Father Malone's Weekly round Up, saying, well, I'm be
Speaker 1: throwing a quote from Blue Thunder. I finally found out
Speaker 1: what jaffo means. Just another fucking observer.