WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.080 There's three or four hundred cases. They're still happening, guys, 2 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.080 these strange things and bodies being found all over the place. 3 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.039 So be careful out there, don't get drugged, and stay 4 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.039 safe in you if you're in that kind of like 5 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.199 a range of young men, you know, stay together, you know, 6 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.839 go out together and come home together. Women do that, 7 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:21.120 they are living a fear of being assaulted or being drugged, 8 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.640 and men some men don't, and they have to change 9 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:27.399 their kind of sensibilities because there's some very nefarious people 10 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:51.240 out there. 11 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.600 In today's new episode, we speak with William Ramsey of 12 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:04.359 William Ramsey Investigates and he wrote a great book called 13 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.159 The Smiley Face Killers, and we get into that in 14 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.359 this conversation, Lance, what'd you think of this interview? 15 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:13.879 Well, I thought that we went on quite a ride 16 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.480 here with mister Ramsey. He has been somebody who has 17 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:18.959 been on our radar for a little while now and 18 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.159 we finally were able to connect with him to get 19 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.280 him on the show for an interview. I got to say, 20 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.680 right off the top, a lot of his views on 21 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:29.400 the Smiley Face Killer go many layers deep, and they're 22 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.840 very very interesting. They don't necessarily align with mine, and 23 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.040 I'm assuming they don't necessarily align with your views either, Tim, 24 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.719 given the questions that we asked him in some clarifications 25 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.840 that we wanted him to provide. But I will say again, 26 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.079 this is quite a ride the listeners are about to 27 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:44.319 go on. 28 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:49.879 Yeah, I do think there are several suspicious cases inside 29 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:55.680 this large story, but certainly not every case is a 30 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.799 murder in my opinion. But yeah, no, this is this 31 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.760 is a fun one. I hope the audience enjoys it. 32 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.400 Please let us know what you think on Spotify or 33 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:09.639 YouTube and check out William Ramsey Investigates on YouTube and 34 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.400 also on his podcast feed. 35 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.159 And you can go to William Ramseyinvestigates dot com if 36 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:16.879 you want to check out any of the books that 37 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.319 he has written. He's got many books to choose from there, 38 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:21.759 so you can go right to that website and order 39 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.080 your copy today. Again, no matter your views, you'll still 40 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.560 be entertained by all of the ideas that he has 41 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:30.599 about all of the topics that he writes about. 42 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.479 Okay, so please follow us on social media at Cross 43 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.960 Based Podcast or Cross Based Pod. We're gonna break quick 44 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:59.560 for commercial here and we'll be right back with William Ramsey. 45 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.560 And we're back with mister William Ramsey. 46 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:01.840 We are being joined now by William Ramsey. William, how 47 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:02.599 are you today? 48 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:04.439 I'm doing well, Thanks for having me. Glad to be here. 49 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.680 Yeah, we're so glad to finally get you on. We've 50 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.360 been talking for what feels like half a year. I 51 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:11.560 think it actually might be almost half a year that 52 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.080 you know, we first made a connection and decided that 53 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.120 we were going to collaborate and have you on the show, 54 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:19.520 and maybe we could be on your show. But then 55 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:20.479 you had jury duty. 56 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:22.120 That's right, that's right. 57 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:24.080 Can you just let us know a little bit about 58 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:26.759 your jury duty? Well, actually, before you do that, can 59 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.639 you introduce yourself to the listeners anyone who doesn't know 60 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.560 who you are, and then we'll get into your jury duty. 61 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.120 Hi. My name is William Ramsey. I'm an author. 62 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.840 I became a podcaster later, but I started out as 63 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.599 an author literally fifteen years ago is when I published 64 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.199 my first book, Profit of Evil. I've written five six 65 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.840 books actually now one is kind of a lesser known book. 66 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:49.039 It's called Alistair Crowley, a visual study, which is a 67 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.639 lot of pictures about Crowley. But I've covered a lot 68 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.120 of different topics, mostly stuff that people weren't really talking 69 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.360 about for one reason or another. Crawley the West, Memphis Three, 70 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.080 Occult Crow. I'm a lot of a cult Hollywood. I 71 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:06.039 did Smiley Face Killers, and then I have five documentaries 72 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.840 on my Patreon. Amazon wouldn't let me post them off 73 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.960 to try to post them again, I was interviewing people 74 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.039 for YouTube, and then my YouTube channels got taken away, 75 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:16.240 I think in twenty twenty, and so I started kind 76 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.360 of podcasting over COVID, and now my podcast, William Ramsey Investigates, 77 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.720 which is really a general investigative reporting podcast, is in 78 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.560 the top point five percent of the world. 79 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.279 So I guess that's the top eighteen. 80 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.720 Thousand podcasts or seventeen thousand or something like that. 81 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:30.000 That's it. 82 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.160 I post a lot of stuff, you know, on a 83 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.199 lot of different topics whatever it kind of finds my 84 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.439 interest or whatever. I'm researching a lot. So I've had 85 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.439 a lot of guests who are knowledgeable about those subjects 86 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:41.199 on my podcast. 87 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:45.800 All right, well, let's talk about one of your books. Now, 88 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:50.800 as you mentioned, you wrote several really interesting books. One 89 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.319 of them is called The Smiley Face Killers, and this 90 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.120 is a story that's kind of been around, and I 91 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:59.439 guess been in our orbit, been in the true crime 92 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.759 sphere for years. Back in the early days of this podcast, 93 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:08.279 crawl Space, we actually did do some episodes on Boston's 94 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.000 Vanishing Men back in twenty seventeen. I feel like we 95 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.160 may have done some parallel work on this story way 96 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.759 back then, but we have not looked into it since then, 97 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:25.639 and it seems like a situation that I guess comes 98 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.439 up every once in a while. And then recent stories 99 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.959 like the New England serial killer and the Lady Bird Lake, 100 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.399 those stories remind me of this story. So long way 101 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.199 of asking you to just describe your work into this, 102 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.040 and I understand you've been looking into these cases for 103 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:44.879 a long time. 104 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:45.480 It's been a while. 105 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:49.079 I really started, probably in twenty sixteen or twenty fifteen. 106 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.360 My first case was a young man by the name 107 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.040 of Joey LaBute in Columbus, Ohile. Now I was in 108 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.439 the alternate media. I was always listening to Coast to 109 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:00.759 Coast and I remember that there was one Coast to 110 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.959 Coast about a smiley face killer by a woman. I'll 111 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.759 call her Christy P. I don't want to mention her 112 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.839 last name. She was talking with Annet Orghana. I forgot 113 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:10.959 the guy's last name, the host. It was this rumor, 114 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.480 so it was kind of like an urban myth to me, 115 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.160 like I thought this was the thing. And she talked 116 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.639 about these cases. There were forty cases at the time, 117 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.240 and they were happening in the kind of Pacific Northwest. 118 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.600 That was the perception. 119 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.360 And the phenomenon is young man not woman, goes out 120 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.199 at a bar, separated from friends, maybe starts acting strength, 121 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.959 disappears to later be found in water. And it got 122 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.120 the name smiley faced killers for people who don't know 123 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.279 is because the original investigators, Kevin Gannon and Jeff Gilbertson, 124 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:45.279 they found a correlation between this phenomenon and spray painted 125 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.439 smiley faces in their original book, which is called Case 126 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.720 Studies and Forensic Drawings. So I had heard that on 127 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.000 coast to coast and as I was researching kind of 128 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:56.879 the occult, I was doing a lot of research in Ducrolea. 129 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.480 I kept seeing the smiley face in common culture. So 130 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.000 I saw in fight club, I saw it, and watchmen 131 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.839 and other places and kind of curious things and clothing 132 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.040 and things like that. So anyway, I was online and 133 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.639 I followed some of these people. One guy's name is 134 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.720 Jim Smith. And then I followed this one case where 135 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.879 a young man disappeared, Joe Labie, like I mentioned, and 136 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:20.759 he was I think he was gay, and he was 137 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.399 in a bar. The Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic was happening that weekend, 138 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:26.720 so a lot of bodybuilders weren't down, and I said, 139 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:28.439 if this guy ever ends up in water, I'm gonna 140 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.519 freak out. So he was missing for nineteen days. I 141 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.720 followed all of the television stuff I could find online, 142 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:39.040 you know, kept like the investigations continuing. We have his phone, 143 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:40.759 we don't know why he didn't go to his car. 144 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:45.279 Where was he seen last fuzzy you know CCTV video 145 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.279 which is suspicious from the night he disappeared out of 146 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:50.639 the bar. He was known not to be a heavy drinker. 147 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.920 He fit the profile of the other victims, usually a 148 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:58.040 skinnier guy, kind of in the body body you know, 149 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.879 size index or whatever on the skinnier side. So he 150 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.199 kind of felt and Gilberton's notice this too. They're not fat, 151 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.000 like most of the victims aren't fat, they're athletic. And 152 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.519 Joey Lebute was on that so then nineteen days later, 153 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.519 the huge searches fits all of the same phenomenon. Huge search. 154 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:19.040 Young guy found later in the Seoda River not too 155 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.199 far from where he disappeared, in kind of an eddy 156 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.319 of the main river. When a place previously searched, which 157 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.959 is very common, they're usually massive searches and the rivers 158 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.480 are followed. So that was really where it triggered for me. 159 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.399 It clicked, Okay, this phenomenon isn't a urban myth, this 160 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.080 is actually happening. And then I just followed these other researchers, 161 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.200 Like I said Jim Smith, there may be a couple 162 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.440 others on Facebook. I'm not on Facebook anymore, but there 163 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.600 were other people interested in really researching and categorizing, and 164 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.480 that led to my first documentary on the Spiley Faced killers, 165 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.799 who's abducting, torturing, and murdering college aged men in the US. 166 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.840 So the original perception that there's this kind of smaller 167 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.240 area in Northwest where it was happening was false once 168 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.960 I really started researching, because I found cases in New York, Boston, 169 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:10.360 San Francisco, Portland, a lot of water areas. It just 170 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.960 was on my radar with other things because I really 171 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.399 saw it. So then I kept following. I read all 172 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.759 of Gilbert and gin and stuff. I kept abreast of 173 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.919 things and was trying to follow cases. And then I 174 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.559 just like, I think I've followed ten ten young men 175 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:25.960 who've disappeared later to be found in water, Like I 176 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.600 just couldn't know, Oh he's out, it's like Halloween and 177 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.799 he disappeared from a bar. He's gonna be found in 178 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.480 water in two or three days, and sure enough, found 179 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.519 in water. So then I made a second documentary which 180 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.799 was available on my Patreon. It's called Smiley Face Killers. 181 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.080 The Global Slaughter continues because it was happening in the UK. 182 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.399 There's a lot of these things in bath Manchester outside 183 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.720 of London, the Thames River, and some. 184 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.240 Of these cases I can't follow because. 185 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.720 I'm unfortunately, you know, mono lingual, so I don't know, 186 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.120 you know, whether he's happening in Spain or Germany or 187 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.600 some of the other but I could follow somebody. There 188 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.240 have been a team effort. There's other people who sent 189 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:07.039 me stuff from France and Netherlands and Germany in Austria, 190 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:10.159 so these cases are happening. And then I just kept writing, 191 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.320 and I always wanted to put it in book format 192 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:16.799 because it's really kind of a saga of different researchers. 193 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.440 Like you mentioned you did something in twenty seventeen with 194 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.639 cryptid Antiquarian. I think that's a very important point in 195 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:27.440 the research because after she Eliza Jeger posted on there, 196 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:31.639 it created this huge firestorm of interest. There's so many posts. 197 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.000 I think there were two thousand posts, and millions of 198 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.399 people looked at that. Yeah, I live in Boston, it's 199 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.519 happening all the time. Really opened and expanded my understanding 200 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.519 to these cases, and then it led to the publication 201 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.799 of my book in twenty twenty four. I already have 202 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:47.039 a second edition of it, so I've kind of cleaned 203 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:48.399 it up, but it's like four. 204 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.440 Hundred pages of like knowledge. 205 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.759 And I tried to include all the other researchers and 206 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:56.279 all the other shows that I've done and the places 207 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.240 where it showed up, like Gilberson and Gann and they 208 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.159 did a six art series for Oxygen, so I thought 209 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:02.879 that was important. 210 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:03.600 It wasn't for me. 211 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.120 It wasn't broad enough. There were other articles like I 212 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.440 did a Daily Beast article, things on fill and Oz, 213 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.720 doctor Phil and doctor Oz excuse me. And then just 214 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.440 like so many things happened in I think twenty twenty 215 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.120 four there was just this rampage these Austin dusts they 216 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.919 called the Ladybird Killer or whatever, but just this swath 217 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.120 of like water dusts that are incredible. In Chicago there 218 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:29.600 were like twenty in like a three or four month 219 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:32.080 period and I can't really keep up. And there was 220 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.919 some in New York City. There was like a lunar 221 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.320 cycle disappeared in Texas became a hot spot. It was 222 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:40.639 really something else. And then you know, finding some of 223 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.559 these people who were doing it, Like I literally found 224 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:45.240 a guy who committed the perfect It's kind of a 225 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.440 perfect crime, right, the smiley faced killers. Like if you 226 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.320 put in water, it's like people. 227 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:51.159 Call it a drowning. 228 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.919 There's evidence that could be lost, it's an easy close 229 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.000 to a cop. So a lot of things that inhibit 230 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.519 kind of people seeing it. But then you like see 231 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.519 the families like this guy would never do that. 232 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.759 This is suspicions. But I followed a. 233 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.159 Guy by the name of Scarlett Blake, that was he 234 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:13.679 was a trans sexual in Oxford, UK who committed the 235 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.000 perfect crime on a guy who a krano. If he 236 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:17.879 hadn't admitted he would never have been arrested and he 237 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:20.759 would have got away with a perfect crime. So that's 238 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.480 the motive. Like, that's what people don't get, Like, what's 239 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.679 the motive. This guy had no motive other than to 240 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.879 just be a murderer. That's what people don't get. Why 241 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:32.080 would you do this? They fit the same crime. This 242 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:36.639 guy w A. Krano was a Spaniard in Oxford. He 243 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.279 was out with friends. He worked at BMW at a factory. 244 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.320 He was partying. He got separated from the group. He 245 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.960 was drunk and a predator in the guise of a woman. 246 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:51.279 It looked like a woman and very covered like faces covered, 247 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.559 no distinguishing characteristics. All in black takes this guy Hore 248 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.519 Krano into a place away from CCTV. It's all been 249 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.240 speculatd like this premeditation. They're thinking, like I'm not going 250 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.320 to get caught. And then Cranio shows up in a 251 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.279 little kind of river dead and they just said he 252 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.519 must have tripped and fell in and then he found 253 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.159 They found out that this guy was formerly a man, 254 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.279 now a woman was involved based on the testimony of 255 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.159 another person, So of course he gets arrested. The trial 256 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.080 is done in the UK and they never asked him 257 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:24.399 if he had ever did it before. 258 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:25.960 It says like, okay, you got you. 259 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:27.799 For one and you're going to jail and that's it. 260 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.240 Nobody seemed to have asked him, like are you a 261 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.840 serial killer? Like what is going on if you've done 262 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.000 this other places? And the interesting thing about Scarlet Blake 263 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.720 is he came from it seems like he came from 264 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.039 a well off family. He's able to travel around. He 265 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.440 came to the US, and he seems to be in 266 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.240 Texas around like some of these other deaths happen. Wouldn't 267 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.240 that be the perfect crime? And that goes all the 268 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.000 way back to Joey La Butte, which seems to be 269 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.320 at the perfect crime too, because somebody's like these thousands 270 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.279 and thousands of body boulders come into town and then 271 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:00.159 maybe commit a crime and leave. Some people have speculated 272 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.240 that this is a type of like thrill kill, and 273 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.039 I think that there's some element of truth to that. 274 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.840 This guy, Scolar Blake, you know, was a thrill killer. 275 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:10.679 So there's a lot of information to take. 276 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.720 We'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsor. 277 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.320 And thank you to our sponsors. 278 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:19.639 Back to the program. 279 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.679 Really interesting stuff yeah, I would love to break down 280 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.679 some of these aspects here. The first thing I would 281 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.600 like to talk about is the graffiti. The smiley faces 282 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:35.039 certainly a common image in pop culture and certainly a 283 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.799 common piece of graffiti for decades. I guess, where is 284 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:44.279 that line on what constitutes as one of these killings 285 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.399 when we're talking about like graffiti, Like you if there's 286 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.039 one scene like under a bridge, like a half a 287 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.840 mile away, does that count? Where is this line? 288 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.320 There are some that are very prominently sprayed. Seemed like 289 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.279 the most recent case was a guy his name was 290 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.720 a shamous I forgot his name, but it was in 291 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.960 kind of the Chicago area, but he had one sprayed 292 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.440 kind of on the wharf where he was found. And 293 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.759 there's one other guy heart who had it above like 294 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.279 the river. Zach Maher had one on the bridge where 295 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.720 he disappeared. So those are the more recent ones that 296 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.279 I can think of. It seems to be a calling card, 297 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.360 and it seems to be an occult associated with cults, 298 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.120 So there's an esoteric and an exoteric understanding. It just 299 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.600 could be a smiley face. But if you follow some 300 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.919 of these like pop artists and occultist, they use the 301 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:36.759 smiley face. Like one of the interesting things is like 302 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:40.720 that song Bad Habits by Ed Sheeran, Like he's got 303 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:44.120 characters in there with the smiley face. He's got smiley 304 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.360 face insignia on balloons and he's re enacting kind of 305 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.720 a smiley face killing. But also this kind of deep 306 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:55.240 occultist group, the Order of Nine Angles, who advocates going 307 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.360 out and calling innocent people. And so like I've done, say, 308 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.960 you know, segments on the Order of Nine Angles. I 309 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.639 actually wrote a book of my book before this book 310 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.840 was a book about the Order of Nine Angles that 311 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:09.039 believes in human sacrifice. That's just how this phenomenon got 312 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.120 its name. I liken it too, like a black widow 313 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.879 name where the woman's always killing her husband or other 314 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.440 types of crimes. It just got that moniker and it's 315 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.600 never gone away. Another guy online, he's really good. He 316 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.919 studies these cases, but he's called them stage drowndings, and 317 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.720 so I like that term stage gam grounding too. And 318 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.480 so you know, the cops aren't looking for it. It's 319 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:30.879 usually the public. So the public will find it, or 320 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.320 somebody will send the name in or if you read 321 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.039 the book by Gilbertson and Gannon. They have very prominent 322 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.720 pictures of these spray painted smiley face so something really 323 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:43.320 was happening in the regions where they were studying it. 324 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.919 Are you trying to suggest that Ed Sheeron is the 325 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.840 smiley face killer on these airwaves? 326 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.519 I'm suggesting that whoever's around him or knows him knows 327 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.919 a lot about the occult and has put it into 328 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.519 his music videos and lyrics and and go look at 329 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:00.519 his tat is too. 330 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:01.799 He has got a. 331 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.039 Prominent yellow smiley face right around his chest. A lot 332 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.599 of these guys do, like I mean, you see them 333 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:12.079 weird places and weird like insignias and tattoos. So people say, like, 334 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.119 is this smiley face killers? Like the happy face killer? 335 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.720 Like Jess Person who was a trucker. There's a lot 336 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:20.480 of slaughter of like innocent women with truck driving. It's 337 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.559 completely different, Like the phenomenon is completely different. And I 338 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.319 don't think it's like one guy, Like people want to 339 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:28.920 get stalted and like, oh, so you think that there's one. 340 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.400 I think this is a phenomenon that people are involved. 341 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.240 They're communicating, it's their kind of interest and they're into 342 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.960 very dark stuff BDSM and it's some kind of really 343 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:45.119 dark underground, and there is a correlation between these people 344 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.680 and the BDSM. There's really is they're into very dark practices, 345 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.480 like BDSM gets dark, and there's like I think I 346 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.359 had one victim in DC. He was at a club 347 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.200 that sided as a BDSM club. There seems to be 348 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.640 a connection. Well, there's one guy, his name was nas 349 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:06.319 Muhammad in Georgia. He's associated with BDS. I'm in these 350 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.880 very dark clubs in Atlanta. I'm not saying that there's 351 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.079 one guy at all. I think there's people like this 352 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.920 guy scrab Up Blake. I think he was network. They 353 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.680 did a sloppy, lame job on him. 354 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.079 Yeah, I want to get into this idea of a 355 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.960 network and the smiley faces being a calling card. But first, 356 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.039 if you don't mind, can you take us through the 357 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.079 idea of the staged drownings, because a lot of these cases, 358 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:37.160 looked at individually, are very suspicious. I will say not 359 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.799 all of them, in my opinion, but a good amount 360 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:44.319 of them very suspicious look when looked at individually, and 361 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.119 it seems like and correct me if I'm getting any 362 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.319 of this wrong, but it seems like the people go missing, 363 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.640 there's a search they are later found deceased in the 364 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:59.839 water in the area that has been searched already, and 365 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.720 their cause of death isn't necessarily drowning. 366 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.680 Sometimes right, sometimes the medical examiner either doesn't know or 367 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:12.599 just attributes to drowning even in certain situations. But I 368 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:16.000 think the phenomenon is really disappeared at night. So there's 369 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.440 standard drownings. People go to a lake. Hey mom, I'm 370 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.559 going to the lake with my two friends, and some 371 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.960 mishap happens during the day. These are different. Almost every 372 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.720 case that I've covered is the case of a young 373 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.839 man out at a bar. They're drinking, or something's going 374 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.839 on at a bar. They act strange, they disappear. Of 375 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.519 all the cases that I've correlated, I'm at like four 376 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.880 hundred or three hundred, nobody sees them go into the water. 377 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.079 This is a huge tell, Like why doesn't somebody see 378 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.200 them splashing around or say like, hey, John, I'm gonna 379 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.559 go don't jump in the water. So zachmar leaves a 380 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.440 bar in downtown Boston at two am. He doesn't get 381 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.000 led in by the bouncer back in, which is weird. 382 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.400 He texts and says like I'm going to do my 383 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.039 own thing. Then he disappears and later to be found 384 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:02.480 in water. That's one example. So all these people are 385 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.559 not found, then they're just attributed to drowning when they're 386 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.799 found a week later, some are forty days later. That's very, very, 387 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.400 very very unusual, is that these people pop up. Dakota 388 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.799 James and Pittsburgh is that he was found literally forty 389 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.880 days after he went missing from downtown Pittsburgh, and his 390 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.839 body was in pretty good shape. There was no slippage 391 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.480 on his body, which would should have happened if he 392 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.160 had been to the water. Where was he for forty days? 393 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.079 What was he doing? Was he kept alive? This phenomenon 394 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.599 has the same parameter. So all of the cases I've studied, 395 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.160 nobody sees them go into the water. They never say 396 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.119 that they're going to go jump in the water. And 397 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.559 then a lot of them I think are given poor 398 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.279 jobs by the medical examiner. I've had in a number 399 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.039 of cases. I've probably had three cases off the top 400 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.839 of my head of where the medical examiner clearly bungled 401 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:59.000