WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.919 Back on The Robbdeville Show with Ben Darnell in Your 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.519 Afternoon Driver live from Elliott Ballpark. Were joined in the 3 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:08.080 press box right now by Josh McDonald. He has done 4 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:10.640 a fabulous job with his pitching staff this year. As 5 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:13.439 Yukon Huskies are thirty three and eighteen. They take on 6 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:17.000 Northeastern tonight at six p'oh five, And just just tell 7 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.800 me about you know, because we had Jim on last 8 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.359 week and he talked about you guys were the last 9 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:28.160 program to have a home weekend you know, series against 10 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.199 the team in Division One Baseball and you start, but 11 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.399 you start in warmweather states like Porter, you know, places 12 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.119 like Puerto Rico, California, Florida, things like that, to help 13 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.880 out because you're a Northeastern squad. In your case, they 14 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:43.000 didn't start out as great as you might have liked. 15 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.840 What is that? What happens with you, Jim and the 16 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.280 staff to kind of retool and put some guys in 17 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.759 the bullpen and some guys in the rotation. How did 18 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.079 you come to that that assessment? Uh? 19 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.560 Probably because I had other choice at the time. We 20 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:01.159 just weren't pitching very well at all, you know, we 21 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.119 had it we had to just try some different things. 22 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.359 The good news was is a few of the guys 23 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.000 that we were pitching in relief early on looked pretty good, 24 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.239 and you know, we were just we were at a 25 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.519 point where, you know, when you're at I think we're 26 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.359 at thirteen seventeen, you kind of look at the mirror 27 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:20.319 and look in the mirror and go, Okay, this isn't working, 28 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:23.159 so we should try to do something a little bit different. 29 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:24.359 And you know, we did that with. 30 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.799 Uh, you know, with Charlie West jumped in. That was 31 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.840 huge for us. He pitches pretty well versus Hofstra, with 32 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.640 one of our better pitch games, and you know, at 33 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.719 that point of the season and we're like, all right, 34 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:36.640 screw it, We'll put him in on the on the weekend, 35 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.760 and sure enough, you know, he pitches well again. And 36 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.239 then you know, you know, so some of our relievers, 37 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.040 like Sean Finn, who was having a really hard time 38 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:48.120 finding the strike zone for whatever reason, kind of got over, 39 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:51.359 you know, the pitching fear. You know, you know, on 40 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.480 spring break it felt like we were down in North 41 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:56.280 Carolina and he's just kind of carried that. So we've 42 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.840 had like a few two or three different guys kind 43 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.000 of join, join the join the staff here, you know, 44 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.480 and helping us out. And it's just been really big. 45 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.760 But what's been really big is, you know, the real 46 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.240 stories that we've been hitting and when you're hitting. It 47 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.080 also allowed like a kid like Tommy Ellison whose numbers 48 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.360 aren't great, you know, I think as an Era round seven, 49 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.639 but it forced him to stay in games like, hey, 50 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.840 we got to you know, it's ten to three, you 51 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:21.919 had a bad first inning. 52 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:22.800 Figure it out. 53 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.199 And if you look at him the last month, he's 54 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.199 starting to figure out because you know, we're not yanking 55 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.520 him in the second inning because we're down for nothing 56 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.479 and we're not scoring. We're okay, it's eight to four, 57 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.599 you'll keep going. And all of a sudden, you know, 58 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.479 it's like anything else, like these guys get on the 59 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.240 mound enough, they're gonna get get better. And early on 60 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.360 the year, we weren't scoring, we weren't pitching, so you know, 61 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:44.479 it was like it was like a carousel ride, right, 62 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.520 like you know, you know who's up next type thing. 63 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.400 But but yeah, I would say like the last month, 64 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.400 because our office has been so good, we've been able 65 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.039 to really, okay, let's put this guy in. Let's see 66 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:55.719 what this guy looks like for two innings. Let's see 67 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.360 what this this relieve looks like versus Lefty, And all 68 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.199 of a sudden, roles are being a staffablished that when 69 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.159 we're going a tight game, like we were versus Villanova 70 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.560 a couple weeks ago, you know, we're okay, We're okay. 71 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.560 It's not like, all right, who can just throw a 72 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.960 ball over plate? It's much more. Hey, this guy's been 73 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.039 able to do this, this, and this. They have some confidence. 74 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.599 So another great thing that you have is Garbowski. I mean, 75 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.520 your catcher that's been here forever can really handle your staff. 76 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.919 And then you've got a great young protege and Connor Lane. 77 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:24.919 How does that work with you? As far as who's 78 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.639 calling pitches? What kind of trust you have in these guys? 79 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:29.719 How much how much rain I guess do you give 80 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.120 these catchers when it comes to calling pitches and stuff 81 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:33.639 like that, handling your staff? 82 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.080 Yeah, coach wants me to call the game. Ideally, you know, 83 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.240 if you can get somebody who can really start to 84 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.759 figure it out. But you know, you know, Rob can 85 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.919 probably test this too. You know, these guys don't really 86 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.120 call games from the age of fourteen, on so there, 87 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.039 we try to do it in the fall to see 88 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.599 if they're they're pretty good at it. Sometimes are, sometimes aren't. 89 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.719 But what's great is that Garbo's really good at giving 90 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.039 me feedback on what the guy is doing. And Connor Lane, 91 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.360 you know, you know, he's he's pretty special. We had 92 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.960 to catch you a couple years ago. Matt Donald and 93 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:08.520 got signed by the Red Sox. He he gives me 94 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.879 similar vibes to him in terms of just really understanding 95 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.439 some of the things that that I want understanding. You know, 96 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:17.319 he'll let me know, hey, I don't know how much 97 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.839 more he's got things like that. And for an eighteen 98 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.560 or nineteen years old kid to be able to start 99 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:23.240 to see. 100 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:23.920 That, it's it's really good. 101 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:25.959 I think I think next year or two, you know, 102 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:27.680 I'm gonna be able to, you know, really rely on 103 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:29.680 him even more in terms of, you know, just helping 104 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.480 me out in terms of, you know, what he thinks 105 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.000 of you know, this guy or that guy. But both 106 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.160 those guys are really have been really special to me, 107 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.279 and you know, I work I work well with both 108 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:40.720 of them, and you know, thank God, thank God, because 109 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:41.399 we need them. 110 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.639 Talking to Josh McDonald, the pitching coach at the University 111 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.199 of Connecticut. I coached out in LA on a similar 112 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.560 feel to this that that had the type of turf 113 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.439 mound and stuff like that. And I play a lot 114 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.720 of AAU tournaments with fifteen sixteen, seventeen weren't seventeen you 115 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.600 now and it's similar. Does that help that A lot 116 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.600 of these kids that you've coached and say the last 117 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.639 ten years have come through the AAU programs, have done 118 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:07.600 a lot of the tournament ball stuff like that. So 119 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.759 when you're getting on different you know, one might be turf, 120 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.279 one might be dirt and things like that that that's 121 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.680 not really freaking your pitching staff out that much. 122 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.160 Yeah, you know, it is weird. I would say, when 123 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.519 we show up with a dirt mound, is when they're 124 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:21.759 like looking like, what the hell is it? 125 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.399 What do I do with this? Yeah? And I'm like, yeah, 126 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.360 there's a hole there. You know you're gonna have to 127 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.839 work around it. Yeah. Wild, it is. It is wild, 128 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:30.079 you know. 129 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.759 But you know, again, like if you think about summer 130 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.399 ball circuit and you know an a you know, if 131 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.759 AAU team's gonna have a tournament and they get rain, 132 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.279 you know, and these guys can't play. They have to 133 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.000 reimburse you know, the team. So you know, would it 134 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.199 would would a turf mound, nobody's getting reimbursed. Those lights 135 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.800 are going on. They'll be playing at midnight. So these guys. 136 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.839 None of these guys really pitch on dirt mounds really 137 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:55.319 unless we go into like the pro parks and you know, 138 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.120 they'll they'll they'll say, hey, it feels a little weird. 139 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.399 Things like that. I think the differences with the mounds. 140 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.319 Sometimes you get a mound that's a little bit more hollow, 141 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:04.399 and they say it bounces a little bit. Sometimes they 142 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.560 say there's not enough stand on it, a little bit 143 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:07.480 more sponge here. 144 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:08.879 I mean, that's kind of the thing you get. 145 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.600 But yeah, you don't you certainly don't have to worry 146 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:13.360 about you know, when I play with you're like, hey, 147 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.319 the lefty starter put a hole on the right side 148 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:19.879 of this thing, and I got you know, you know, 149 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.879 I'm getting a blister on the inside of my right foot. 150 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.920 I know there's blood all over, you know, inside this 151 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.000 sock right here. Like you don't have any of those 152 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.600 conversations anymore. I mean, you would go to some places 153 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.839 and you'd be like you'd be like, oh my god. 154 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.560 You know, you'd be actually telling, you know, the guys 155 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:35.360 that we're pitching in front of you, hey man, taking 156 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.680 ease on that hole man, because I'm coming in relief today, 157 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.439 you know. So, but those those days are over, and 158 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:42.319 you know they're just like I said, they're more freaked 159 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:43.519 out when they do see a dirt mount. 160 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.959 Speak on pitching to contact and your philosophy on this. 161 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.759 Walks has been an issue at the beginning of the season. 162 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.079 That's how we got a lot of the runs on 163 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.399 board against us. But what's your philosophy as far as that, 164 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.560 And how do you teach your kids to actually throw 165 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:57.560 it so they can't hit it? 166 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.279 Well, you know, it's it's it's it's weird. You know, 167 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.680 we're in a we're in an era of baseball where 168 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.439 you know, people want velocity and swing a miss and 169 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:11.000 kick chains and sweepers and cutters and bullet sliders and 170 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.360 all this garbage. I want out collectors, you know, That's 171 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.199 all I tell them. I want out collectors. You give 172 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:17.879 me a guy throwing eighty five to eighty eight. They 173 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.800 can move the fastball around and get one or two 174 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:24.120 other pitches that they can just command and they're going 175 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.759 to be really good. And especially nowadays, I feel like, 176 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.800 you know, these guys will see ninety five ninety six 177 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.439 and they'll turn on it. You know, this is not 178 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.319 this is not the baseball ten years ago. But when 179 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:38.519 you can get a guy out there, then you know 180 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:40.079 they can move the ball around. 181 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:40.480 You know. 182 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:42.360 They have a lot of trouble that the kid that 183 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.600 is pitching for Northeastern, they did that when we went 184 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.720 up there and we just had a really hard He 185 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.279 wasn't walking us, we weren't making hard contact. So it's 186 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.160 really hard. You've got to kind of you have to 187 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.000 try to teach these guys those those lessons right, like, hey, 188 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.079 freebies are going to kill you. As my dad would 189 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.399 be screening the stands. Walks will kill you. Walks will 190 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.519 kill you. And uh, you know, you know, pitching to contact, 191 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.720 like contact is not a bad thing. The problem is 192 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:10.920 is that when they when they're working in a lot 193 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.639 of these labs, a lot of these places at home, 194 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.680 sometimes all they're ever talking about is swinging miss percentage, 195 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.480 swinging miss percentage. And I tried to tell them, tell 196 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:20.639 these guys, it's like no, It's like you know, how 197 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.439 how much bad contact can you make. If you can 198 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.639 make bad contact, then you know, you know, swings and 199 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:27.720 misses are gonna we can we could set guys up. 200 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.120 We can get a swing and a miss, but you 201 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.519 know you want you want bad contact, you know, over 202 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:34.799 and over again. I just feel like, you know, again, 203 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:36.799 I don't know what's going on with you know, I 204 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:40.000 I understand the language of the Repsoona machine and the TrackMan, 205 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:42.960 and they'll tell you all these numbers and they'll tell 206 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.720 you that this is a great pitch. And I'll have 207 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.559 to like remind them that the hitter put it, you know, 208 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:48.679 over the fence over there. 209 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.039 He told you that it wasn't told me there's your 210 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:52.679 answer man. 211 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.840 For some reason, for some reason, my gray hair is 212 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.320 telling them that it's wrong, and that machine is telling 213 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.039 that's right. So that's that's probably the hardest thing, because 214 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:03.879 you know, these guys are getting this now at thirteen 215 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.159 years old again, Rob. 216 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.480 Oh, yeah, Rob took it out. Yeah, Robie a little bit. 217 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:08.919 You're a little bit oler than me. 218 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.720 But I remember, you know, when you were pitching high 219 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:12.399 school and stuff like that, and even when I like 220 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.559 I didn't know how hard I threw. I mean, I 221 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.480 knew I threw hard. I could tell kind of by 222 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.320 the oh I got you know whatever, I got good stuff. 223 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.159 Today they're laid on it, but you didn't really know, 224 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:23.679 you know, until like maybe me like an All Star 225 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:25.519 game and then everybody, hey hit ninety one today, or 226 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.360 hey hit eighty nine today, and everybody's be like, oh 227 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.240 my god, really and that would just kind of be like, hey, 228 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.320 this guy could touch eighty nine and seemed like a 229 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.200 thousand miles an hour. These guys, now will I mean 230 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.440 they could throw a pit. These guys probably don't remember 231 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.200 the last game they threw them where they didn't know 232 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.159 how hard they were throwing. So like that's a great boy, 233 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.799 That's that's a big difference. Yeah, you know, so like 234 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:45.840 you can have a guy go out there and let's 235 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.159 see it, goes out there and gets six. 236 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:47.639 Up, six down. 237 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:49.759 You say, hey, that's great, but his filo is down 238 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:51.759 to let's say eighty six and he's typically eighty eight. 239 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:53.399 He's walking out of there thinking that he didn't have 240 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.360 a good day. And that's a different that's all. That's 241 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:58.279 a completely different animal. 242 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:59.279 Like snow in the World series. 243 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.879 Absolutely, but I wanted to get to that is psychologically. 244 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.759 With the technology, they now instantaneously can go to an 245 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:12.080 iPad or can go you know, somebody's got the handheld 246 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:13.200 thing behind home plate and. 247 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:13.679 Stuff like it. 248 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.519 I think it's a problem, Yeah, because because like it's 249 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.120 negative reinforcement, whereas for us, the hitters, let you know 250 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.759 what you're throwing. I mean I never cared how hard 251 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.559 I was throwing. I was like trying to get guys 252 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.679 that make bad contact to my shortstop eye back contact 253 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.840 to my second basement. You know, pop it up, strike 254 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.200 them out. 255 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:30.600 You know that. 256 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:31.879 I wasn't worried about strikeouts. 257 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:32.279 They come. 258 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.639 But now if you tell them, well, that guy hit 259 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:36.799 it one hundred and fifteen off the bat, So what 260 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:37.559 was it an out? 261 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:38.159 Yeah? 262 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:39.919 Did you pop it? Did he pop it up to 263 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.720 the infield? I don't care how hard it comes off 264 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.279 the bat. Was it an out? And I love what 265 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.039 you're saying. I want guys that are freaking out getters 266 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.080 collect I'm out collectors. I'm going to steal that because 267 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.679 that's that's what you need. It's Baseball's a very still 268 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.000 a simplistic game. The technology has kind of rewired their brains. 269 00:10:58.039 --> 00:10:59.679 How do you deal with that? Again? 270 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.240 I think I think you see some of the issues 271 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.440 that you're having. You're seeing walks up across the board 272 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:08.240 in college baseball. You see the walks up across the 273 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.000 board in minor league baseball. You know, for us, I 274 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.039 think we're really lucky in college baseball because in college 275 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.600 baseball this is you know, it is development, don't get 276 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.720 me wrong, but it's wins and losses first. You know, 277 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.200 a lot of a lot of other baseball right now 278 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.799 is all development and training, and development and training. For us, 279 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.720 it's you know, listen, you know it may be an 280 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.399 old statistic, but you know, era still counts for me. 281 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.320 You know, does the guy scoring out when you're on 282 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.120 the mound? Uh whip counts to me? Do you allow 283 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.720 hits and walks? You know, I don't care if, like 284 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:40.440 you said, I don't care if you're a guy where 285 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:42.399 they just keep hitting fly balls in the warning track. 286 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.360 Maybe at the next level those are home runs. You're 287 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.960 not a pro, but here those may be outs. You know, 288 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.480 So we have to kind of do both, you know, 289 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.360 we have to. Obviously, we want them for you know, 290 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:52.960 we want these guys to be pro. So we want 291 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.759 them to, you know, obviously, do the things that the 292 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.120 pro guys want them to do. But at the end 293 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:58.879 of the day, you know, if you're stepping on that field. 294 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.879 The same thing with batting average. I can't tell you how. 295 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:02.960 You know, about ten years ago, you were going to 296 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.039 these coaching conventions. You have guys like batting average that 297 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.639 that's not real, it is, and you'd be sitting there 298 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.600 and you're like, I don't know, man, I'm pretty sure 299 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:17.159 every three hundred hitter is pretty goddamn good. 300 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.639 You know, you have about eight or nine of them 301 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:20.200 on your team. 302 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.480 So it's like, so, yeah, we you know, we still 303 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.879 think banning average is real. We still think some base 304 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:30.279 percentage is real, you know, over whatever it is, exit average, 305 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.000 exit velocity and stuff like that. You know, obviously, the 306 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.200 guy that hits the ball hard most often probably is 307 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.120 a pretty good hitter. But you know, again, strikeouts are 308 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.320 Strikeouts still suck if you're a hitter. Strike ups are 309 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.759 still great if you're a pitcher, and h guys that, 310 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:44.879 for whatever reason keep the ball on the ground tend 311 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.240 to have more successing guys to keep it in the air. 312 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:48.480 So, you know, the one. 313 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.120 The other thing that has changed I think in the 314 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.480 past couple of years, I think this is where where 315 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.480 where you're starting to see this a little bit is 316 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.200 that guys have flattened out their swings, you know, launch angle. 317 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.879 For a while was like, I mean you'd be up here, 318 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.120 you be twelve strikeouts game? Is that this sauce And 319 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:04.200 all of a sudden they've been flatten them out. And 320 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.679 what you're seeing our line drives now because of the 321 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.759 velocity these guys started leave the yard. So you know 322 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.240 what I think you're going to see here the next 323 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.720 you guys will probably see it two three years from now. 324 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.559 Have me back on and say, hey, look at all 325 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.720 these sinker ballers that the big leaguers are starting to 326 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.039 get again, because I think that's going to be the 327 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.320 next in vogue thing like get the ball back on 328 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:22.759 the ground. 329 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.200 Talking to Ukon pitching coach Shash mcdown we got a 330 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.960 big game coming up midweek or Northeastern yukon six p 331 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.799 thirty five with the first pitch, just talking about recruiting 332 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.600 all the time, and we talked to coach Penders, we 333 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.000 talked to Gino, we talked to Hurly. All you guys 334 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.279 and just what you're looking for and some guys it's 335 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.440 a no brainer, like Frank Mazakato, You don't need to 336 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.440 see much. You know the numbers, You know what you're 337 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:43.679 going to see when you get out there. But the 338 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.039 guys that are the tweeners, the guys that are from 339 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.960 maybe a D two level to a D one level, Like, 340 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.600 what are you looking for? What kind of attributes of 341 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:55.799 a high school player or a guy that's looking to 342 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:57.840 step up levels in college do you want to see 343 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:58.639 as a pitching coach. 344 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.399 So the high schoo part is probably the one where 345 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.000 I'm having the hardest problem with it because a lot 346 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.200 of these guys aren't throwing a lot of innings anymore. 347 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.000 So like, you know, if I'm gonna go watch a guy, 348 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.879 he's probably the only only two or three innings where 349 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.360 you know, if you used to watch a kid again, 350 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.399 I'm gonna date myself about ten years ago. You go 351 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:18.399 watch the start, you'd get six innings of evaluation. Now 352 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.200 you're getting three innings would bat uh maybe one one 353 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.879 counts at times depending on the event that you're going to. 354 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:26.879 So it makes it a little bit more difficult. So 355 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.399 you got to really kind of do some dig in. 356 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:29.279 You know. 357 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.159 The other thing too, is that you know it's really 358 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.399 difficult for somebody to be completely honest with you, right, So, 359 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:36.919 like if it's a picture and you say, hey, man, 360 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:38.559 this guy's a really good arm. Oh man, he's great. 361 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:40.679 He's great worker, he's the hardest worker. He loves baseball, 362 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.679 Like I never get man, he doesn't really like baseball. 363 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.759 I mean so so again, like you got to kind 364 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.799 of the high school guys are different. But with the 365 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.519 pooral like the Juco kids, you know, it's a little 366 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.919 bit easier because you're gonna have numbers behind it. But 367 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:56.120 those a lot of times, those coaches can be a 368 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.399 little bit more up. Prod can give you a couple, 369 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.000 you know, like eight and Doherty, who's gonna pay I 370 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.840 think play right field day about three forty he was 371 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.600 the best hitter in the m whack. And I remember 372 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.879 when I reached out to his coach and I said, hey, 373 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.120 tell me something about Aden Dory. He's like, he gets 374 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.639 hits And I'm like, all right, what do you what 375 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.200 do you mean? He goes, he goes, He just he goes. 376 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.399 If he puts a beat on the ball, it ends 377 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.840 up on a green somewhere. And I was like, okay, 378 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.120 he's like he can hit ninety five, he can hit 379 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.879 eighty five. He just gets hits. So I'm like, okay, 380 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.600 like and he's like, you know, no problem. Then you 381 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.519 get a kid like Spur who's coming from Endicut and 382 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.799 I didn't ask their coach, but I asked another coach 383 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.279 in the league and he just said he plays like 384 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.399 his hair is on fire. And You're like, okay, so 385 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.519 you know, now you got numbers, you got places with 386 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.879 his hair on fire. So there's certain things like that, 387 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.559 you know that we want to hear too, you know, 388 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.840 because again, like we're not gonna you know, the kids 389 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.840 that end up at Tennessee and they're making whatever the 390 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.240 one hundred grand and when not getting that kid. So 391 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.120 I'm not getting a six with eight kid throwing ninety 392 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.320 six to ninety eight who should be pitching in Triple 393 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:52.759 A right now. 394 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:53.799 I'm not getting that kid. 395 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.960 But I have to get kids that are able to 396 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.240 maybe fight against them when they see them, and you know, 397 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.279 you got to kind of get kind of those personalities. 398 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:04.840 And that's that's probably something that we spend more time 399 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:06.960 than not on it. You know, if there's red flags 400 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.159 there in terms of the recruiting process where you know, 401 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:10.679