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<v Speaker 1>And it's Jake Novak and Michael Cohen in for Roger

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<v Speaker 1>Stone this evening. We're going to start you out with

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<v Speaker 1>some breaking news, especially as we approach the 25th anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of 9-11. I found this decision today to be very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to talk about it. A military judge has

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<v Speaker 1>decided that the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, remember that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the guy with all the back hair and

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<v Speaker 1>we woke him up in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the one who actually planned the intricate planning

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<v Speaker 1>of 9-11. He's been in our custody for a very,

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. Since just a couple of years after 9-11,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in our custody. He's been at Gitmo Bay

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<v Speaker 1>and now we have a date for his trial. Still

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<v Speaker 1>pretty far off. It's not going to be until June 5th, 2028,

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<v Speaker 1>but Michael Cohen It will still be a military tribunal.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going to get that civil trial that the

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<v Speaker 1>liberals wanted, that Eric Holder, when he was attorney general, wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine what that trial is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to be like?

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<v Speaker 1>Under Barack Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was under Barack Obama that they wanted it

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<v Speaker 2>to be a civil trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>They have him exactly where he belongs. What bothers me

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<v Speaker 2>the most, you're talking about 27 years. As we now

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<v Speaker 2>are out to celebrate, and one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we have going on here at 7-7 WABC, they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>a gala in, and for the benefit of first responders

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<v Speaker 2>and And their families and so on, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is beautiful. But 20, 27 years before this piece of

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<v Speaker 2>garbage ends up seeing a court or I should say

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<v Speaker 2>a tribunal decision.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're an attorney and I know you're a

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<v Speaker 1>registered Democrat and it's. It's refreshing to hear you be

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<v Speaker 1>also on the side of think common sense of not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to have a civil trial for this guy. We

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<v Speaker 1>can go into the reasons why I think a civil

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<v Speaker 1>trial would have been a just an atrocity, an atrocity

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<v Speaker 1>if we have a civil trial for this guy. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're not doing that. It was so much

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on Holder and Obama and they ended up changing

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<v Speaker 1>their mind two years later on this. But, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>World War II was kind of a big thing, wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one would think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we had the Nuremberg trials within a year of

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that war, and there were some really

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<v Speaker 1>bad dudes in those trials. This is an outrage that

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<v Speaker 1>it has been this long. And if you think that

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<v Speaker 1>somebody like KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is really... You know,

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<v Speaker 1>suffering away every day at Gitmo. Probably not. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's in his element. He probably has a lot of buddies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he has been punished properly.

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<v Speaker 2>So out of the two of us, one of us

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<v Speaker 2>actually spent some time in the pokey. And it ain't

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<v Speaker 2>you there, Jake. So let me say this. It sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. And I can tell you, I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the low of lows. I was in a place called Otisville,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a satellite camp and it was horrible. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I mean horrible, it is horrible. Say whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Guantanamo Bay is definitively worse. And I hope, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that KSM is being treated poorly. I really do. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that they're, I hope that they're doing at least

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<v Speaker 2>worse than what they did to me. That's what I

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<v Speaker 2>hope for this animal who caused the death of so many,

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<v Speaker 2>so many Americans and so many individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's, it's amazing to me that it, because

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<v Speaker 1>during that period when it was being debated, Whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not there would be a civil trial for this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was shocking to me how many people didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>why a civil trial would be an atrocity. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine being a family member of one of the people

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<v Speaker 1>murdered and you got to hear in open court? a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer basically saying that your loved one had a comment. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the networks.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, because there's the old adage, right, that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's entitled to the best defense that money can buy.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing that would bother me about that

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<v Speaker 2>type of a trial. You know that there's outside money

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<v Speaker 2>that would be coming in To the United States. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>talked about that. Guaranteed 100 percent money would be coming

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<v Speaker 2>in from these outside sources and they would end up

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<v Speaker 2>funding an entire group of attorneys, a real true legal team,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to try to defend this animal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you hit the nail on the head. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to talk about. This would have created

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<v Speaker 1>a financial network. And listen, they're doing it already. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's breaking news tonight also about how Antifa in Portland

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<v Speaker 1>was funded by Hamas. was funded by the IRGC. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise to me, but now that there's evidence of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's big news. So it wouldn't have only

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<v Speaker 1>been all that money coming in, but Michael Cohen, the

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<v Speaker 1>relationships that would have been made, the terrorist groups would

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<v Speaker 1>have made relationships with big time New York law firms

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<v Speaker 1>and they would have had, they would have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to use them for anything else they might want to

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<v Speaker 1>use them for. It would have been an absolute disaster

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to being, I think, incredibly hurtful for the

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<v Speaker 1>victim's families who don't deserve to hear some wisecracking lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how Somebody at Bear Stearns or Canterford Sterl,

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<v Speaker 1>to be more exact, had a comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you also imagine if no decent law firm ended

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<v Speaker 2>up taking KSM's case? Now the taxpayer has to actually

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<v Speaker 2>foot the bill because you cannot have a trial, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>one such as this, without having court-appointed counsel. Meaning we,

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<v Speaker 2>on top of everything, have to fund the defense for

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<v Speaker 2>this monster.

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<v Speaker 1>I urge everyone to go watch Judgment at Nuremberg. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that movie holds up. The movie was made not, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>as it was early 60s, I think it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand how these military trials go. It's not like you're

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to have a defense. It's not like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have certain rights. But KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was

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<v Speaker 1>a military combatant against the United States. Just because it

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<v Speaker 1>was an attack on a civilian target doesn't mean it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a military attack. And it was. Al Qaeda is

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<v Speaker 1>still a paramilitary terrorist army. And to me, it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where somebody out there just thought

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<v Speaker 1>too much of themselves in the legal profession and thought

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<v Speaker 1>like this was just so obvious. Of course, he should

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<v Speaker 1>deserve a civil trial. It only took two years for

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<v Speaker 1>them to reverse that. But here we are. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be 17 years after that reversal and 27 years

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<v Speaker 1>almost after 9-11 before this guy actually sees some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a trial. I don't know. It seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that's an atrocity, too, that people.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to wait that long. It's a total miscarriage. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they always say that justice delayed is justice denied. I

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<v Speaker 2>truly feel for the families. And by the way, I

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<v Speaker 2>know a bunch of families that lost members. I know

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<v Speaker 2>my next-door neighbor growing up passed away. During the 9-11 attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to tell you something. They wouldn't be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not happy that this monster is still breathing. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't deserve to breathe the air. That's my, again, my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would have liked to have seen this thing

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<v Speaker 2>move a whole lot more expeditiously.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have an entire generation of Americans who

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<v Speaker 1>were born after 9-11 now. don't really know about it,

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<v Speaker 1>are susceptible to all kinds of lies and other mischaracterizations

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<v Speaker 1>of the attack. But all you need to do is

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<v Speaker 1>just listen to what al-Qaeda itself said, what Osama bin

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<v Speaker 1>Laden said. And what I would have liked to have

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<v Speaker 1>seen even more than swift justice in a court of

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<v Speaker 1>any kind, tribunal or not, would have been for him

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<v Speaker 1>to have been dealt with like Ayman al-Zahiri. Now, Osama

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<v Speaker 1>bin Laden, everybody knows, he was like the chairman of

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<v Speaker 1>the board of al-Qaeda. He didn't really personally plan stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Ayman al-Zahiri was the CEO. Khaliq Sheikh Mohammed was the

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<v Speaker 1>one who was his number one operative for the 9-11 attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ayman al-Zahiri, four years ago now, almost exactly four

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, we took out with the CIA operation with

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<v Speaker 1>the drone. He was living in a fancy building in Kabul.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe there are fancy buildings in Kabul, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there are.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have their sort of money, you can build

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<v Speaker 2>something fancy anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was a precise strike. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was in an apartment building. They went right

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<v Speaker 1>to the window. and got him. That was a good...

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<v Speaker 1>And he was a terrorist even before we knew what

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<v Speaker 1>al-Qaeda was. He was also the one behind the assassination

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<v Speaker 1>of Anwar al-Sadat in Egypt. They let him out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. So to me, that was much... Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to fight a war, then die in a battlefield.

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<v Speaker 1>Get them on a battlefield. But if we got to

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<v Speaker 1>have a military tribunal, at least let's do that instead of...

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine what the security would have been like

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<v Speaker 1>in lower Manhattan? People coming... I mean, if they're coming

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<v Speaker 1>there for... For Luigi Mangione, there probably would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Islamist protesters.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you should have seen when I was on trial

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of people that were flooding the streets. This

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<v Speaker 2>would be like nothing that we've ever seen here in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. And, of course, our mayor would probably be,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, talking nonsense, more nonsense about this trial

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<v Speaker 2>and how unjust it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about, for example, like what he's talking about now

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<v Speaker 2>with this Hindu nationalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's this, so there's a guy, the party that

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<v Speaker 1>actually rules India, they actually have a democracy there. They

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<v Speaker 1>actually have elections there. They've had them for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the world, I think they call it the world's oldest,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, functioning democracy, the world's largest democracy as far

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<v Speaker 1>as population is concerned. So the party that is the

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<v Speaker 1>ruling party, the majority party in India is, It's known

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<v Speaker 1>as the BJP. I'm not going to mispronounce the Hindi words,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't worry about that. Their leader, Mohan Bhagwat, is

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<v Speaker 1>coming to Madison Square Garden on Saturday. Now, of course—

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going, Jake? Well, you know, I'm going to try.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to be honest with you. I have Shabbat,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to end up taking a pass.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, it depends on what they're serving. Indian food is

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<v Speaker 1>like my second favorite food, and I'm a sucker for

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<v Speaker 1>it every single time, and I'm always looking for new stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>so i can only imagine what the vendors are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like there but uh and it's a part

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<v Speaker 1>of my dreams and i'm not kidding but um it's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing you know he so mamdani sounds a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>he sounded when it came to Netanyahu coming to New York. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to try to arrest him, but I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. Here's what he has to say about this

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<v Speaker 1>guy from a Hindu party in India. He doesn't like

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I also stand here as the first Indian

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<v Speaker 3>American mayor in our city's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Big deal. You don't like anything about India. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care that you were born there.

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<v Speaker 3>Mazel tov.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Continuing. And my mother's family is all still in India.

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<v Speaker 3>And the vision of India... that I was taught by

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<v Speaker 3>my family and the one that I grew up being

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<v Speaker 3>very familiar with was of a pluralistic society.

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<v Speaker 1>Not baloney. Pluralistic society. He was brought up by communists,

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<v Speaker 1>communist sympathizers. This party, the BJP, is not just a Hindu.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it a Hindu nationalist party. No, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>anti-communist party. Let's continue.

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<v Speaker 3>Secular republic that believed in the belonging of each and

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<v Speaker 3>every person who was from India. And it has been

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly troubling to see the rise of a movement that

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<v Speaker 3>is predicated on an exclusionary vision of any country, frankly.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it is one that I find myself in

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<v Speaker 3>deep opposition to, not only as an Indian American, but

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<v Speaker 3>also as the mayor of a city that believes deeply

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<v Speaker 3>in the belonging of each and every person, no matter

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<v Speaker 3>their color, their creed, their religion, their faith, wherever they're from.

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<v Speaker 1>Should the rally be canceled, though, at MSG this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't support the rally, but I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>the city has any jurisdiction on canceling a private event.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's constantly unable to do this. He talks a

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<v Speaker 1>good game. The BJP party, yes, it is hoping for

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<v Speaker 1>basically a Hindu national estate. That's what they're going for.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want Islamists blowing up people in India. And

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<v Speaker 1>so suddenly they're the bad guys. This is the party

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<v Speaker 1>of Nahendra Modi, who was a tremendous friend of President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you ever had any dealings with

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<v Speaker 1>him over the years, but he's a tremendous ally of

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<v Speaker 1>this country. We've got to get them to buy less

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<v Speaker 1>Russian oil, but that's another, you know, listen, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>agree on everything. I know that's your mantra. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>agree on everything with somebody. Otherwise you should be locked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly don't agree with Mayor Moran Mandani in

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<v Speaker 2>light of, yeah, he's okay with this individual from the

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<v Speaker 2>BJP coming to Madison Square Garden, but he couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>the time to to participate in the Israeli day parade.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, but yet he'll turn around and he'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about my Jewish brothers and sisters, right? He'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about things like that. He'll talk about how this is

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<v Speaker 2>New York City, that this is the home where everybody, race, religion, creed, color,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make a difference unless, of course, you're Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>And you want to participate in the Israeli day parade.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he's going to put his foot down.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Michael Cohen, he showed up at Pakistani events. Pakistan

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<v Speaker 1>is an Islamist country. They are not a pluralistic society either.

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<v Speaker 1>What a joke. India is much more pluralist than Pakistan

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<v Speaker 1>ever will be. what an absolute joke this guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>And me personally, I don't care if he's the first Indian.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care whether you're male or female. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care black, white, brown. It doesn't matter to me. Do

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<v Speaker 2>the job that the New Yorkers, that all New Yorkers

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<v Speaker 2>need you to do. That to me is the most

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<v Speaker 2>important thing. Once they start hitting that whole, that whole race, religion, creed,

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<v Speaker 2>color card, then you know that they're full of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last thing I'll say about this, uh, Mamdani

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<v Speaker 1>and all the other people who are upset that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a more Hindu nationalist party that's been ruling India

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<v Speaker 1>for quite some time now. You know what? If you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want that party to take control, then you should

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<v Speaker 1>have told your so-called pluralist people, who were the children

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<v Speaker 1>and grandchildren of Gandhi, by the way, to stop being communists,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's why the people voted them out. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you got a Hindu nationalist party running your country.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's still a democracy, and we can't say that

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<v Speaker 1>about almost any other country in their region.