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Speaker 3: The car is beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Where did you to going for it?

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Speaker 2: Else you have to put me in touch.

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Speaker 3: What's it called. It's dune ADL where don adl. There's

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an accent on the e. Do you mean yes, I

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got undone deal cars? Lift please you're going to pass kimage?

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Oh kimmage, No done deal cars. You couldn't possibly go

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anywhere else.

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Speaker 4: You know, Carl, this is a historic episode, I think

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because for the first time in months, I actually let

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you know when we were going to start recording.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that was That was a good Uh, that

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was a good move, especially since I turned my camera off.

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Speaker 4: You're saying that you are, in fact a real person

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and not a two D image of a gas mask

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in a hat.

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Speaker 6: That's true, allegedly. Allegedly.

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Speaker 5: Some have said, you know, it's funny speaking of.

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Speaker 6: That, like.

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Speaker 5: Dee and I did it, did the inquisition with Stormy recently,

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and it's funny because he and I have been communicating

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in one form or another for like ten years.

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 5: You know, I would just comment on podcasts he would

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do and then like he read my book and my

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first book and I didn't know about it. Then he

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read the second one, like with no prompting or anything

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like that, and then we met in person, and it's

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so funny because just you know how it is you

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see someone you go, oh, I had this totally different

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picture in my head, you know, compared to you know,

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who who you are and what you do and everything

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like that.

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Speaker 6: He seems normal the uh times.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, there was a funny instance of that. As you

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have heard, and you know the audience likely has as well.

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I've been trapped in the great right wing travel disaster

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of the tween twenty six. But point is that was

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obviously to go to a sort of behind closed doors event.

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And it's funny because one of the guys who I

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hadn't met came up to me and without and I

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won't say who this was because I don't want to

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expose him, but without knowing who he was, no one

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had explained to me. I just greeted him by his

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username because his profile picture was so close to what

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he looked like. It was completely seamless. I didn't even

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like think that it would be someone else. That does

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happen sometimes, Oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely yes.

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Speaker 5: I have a million air travel hell stories, and none

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of them are Can I tell one that is not mine,

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but it's the worst one I've ever heard. So to

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set the stage, I used to fly. If you talk

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to the average person, I used to travel a lot.

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I'd be on thirty flights a year minimum in the

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old days, and some of them were just day trips,

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plenty of overnight and cross continent. But I also my

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world bumped up against people that were you know what

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they call the road warriors, salespeople who were constantly traveling,

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and they would have all their travel hacks. And you know,

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people talk about air travel like going down the toilet

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around COVID, but it's actually more like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

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it started really deteriorating. I mean, everyone would have problems

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here and there, but where you would consistently have lots

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of problems, like a long time ago, like sixty seventy

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years ago, air travel could be tenuous and then it

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got pretty smooth for a while. American is still the

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worst in my experience, Like if every time I've slept.

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Speaker 4: In mind experience too, Yes.

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Speaker 5: Every time I've slept on the floor of an airport

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because you can't lie down on the benches because they

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have the armrests, so that like Hobos don't take over

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the place it's been because of American screwing up flights.

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So anyway, this is the best story I ever heard

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from a salesperson about an innocuous air travel story that

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turned out okay. But picture this. You are a road

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warrior who flies two weeks a month for years on end,

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and you just have a system down that works really well.

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the system. You're in Detroit. You go visit a client,

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you go to the airport. You know some snow is coming,

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but the flight is still on time. You're supposed to

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board the flight in an hour and a half. They

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say it's on time. You're in the bar, and what

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do you do. You're taking a red eye and you

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want to wake up refreshed in the morning in Florida.

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Let's say, you know, in Miami. And so you get

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out the ambient and as soon and you wait for

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the boarding to be within like we're boarding in thirty

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minutes and the flight is still on time, and you're like, okay,

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if there was going to be a problem, I would

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have known by now. So you take the ambient and

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you down it with a slug of Jack Daniels right

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as one does. And uh, five minutes later you get

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the your flight is canceled. You're screwed, And this the

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way this guy describes it. He started to feel the

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tunnel vision of the ambient kicking in as he's like

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standing there talking to the you know, harried woman at

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the counter who's arranging a hotel for him to stay

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at that's like at the airport, and he starts going no, no, no, no,

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no no, and then he forgets everything from him saying

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the last no, until he wakes up like lying down

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in the snow in downtown Detroit in a doorway, like

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missing a shoe, fortunately like probably only recently, and it's

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like five in the morning, and he's cold but not

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that cold, and wet and has no luggage. He does

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have his wallet and his cell phone though, and so

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for all he knows, he like got in a cab

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and probably said something stupid like screw it, take me

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to a bar or a restaurant or something like that,

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and just but just doesn't remember it.

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Speaker 4: Pretty good, honestly, Yeah, yeah, given uh by the earlier

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half of this week, I completely understand, like if if,

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if they could just give me ambient and Jack Daniels

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on every flight, I think I would be in a

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much better yeah, much better position. Honestly. The other thing is, uh,

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in this might affect you slightly less, Curl. I am

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physically too large to fit in most airplane seats.

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Speaker 6: Now I believe it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm barely kind, I'm barely I'm barely you know,

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you know me, Like I'm barely comfortable, and.

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Speaker 4: You were like a I would say, like an average guy,

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you know, and so pretty ever so slightly above average

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and simply cannot fit. Like what do we do with

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like the Kimbe Matumbo style guys? Like simply what do

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they do?

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Speaker 6: You stack them on each other?

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Speaker 4: They're down in steerage, which, again, given enough Ambien, I'd

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be okay with fine, mister American. You clearly want to,

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you know, stack people like Cordwood. I'll sign up for that,

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but I have some conditions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to tell you, man, if you want

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to know pure hell, fly on an Asian airline in.

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Speaker 4: Coach Okay, you got to explain that. Okay, I don't,

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but I know that there's a story there.

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Speaker 5: Even in the front row where you have the most

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leg room, you will still not be able to adjust

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your body. So so imagine, imagine an airline that makes

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American look like, you know, like a piano concerto of

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delivery and comfort, like you're in the lounge. You know,

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you're really comfortable. No, it's it's brutal. There's a bunch

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of kind of cut rate Asian airlines out of like

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Asiana is okay, out of out of Korea, but it's

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not great. And then there's another one I can't think

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of the name off the top of my head that's

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out of type Ay. That is the worst. And I

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had to fly it in the old days because it

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was affordable. And when you have a job that kind

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of exists on paper and you get that you don't

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get paid until you show up in you know, a

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third world hell hole, you're like, okay, I'm going to

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get the cheapest flight that I can And next thing

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you know, you're in a sardine can hurling through the sky.

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There are tiny people behind you. And even with that,

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the seats are so close together that you can recline

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about two inches and it's a fifteen hour flight. It's

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good times.

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Speaker 4: The wildest flight experience I've ever had, And by the way,

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I saw it before we went live on it, saying like, oh,

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you know, is this another is this another stream about

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how you know, old old uh, you know, Donald Trump

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has sold us out. I mean, that's true. But the

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whole reference of the urge to hoist the black flag

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is not in relation to politics at all. It is

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in relation to American airlines. Yess what this is about. Yeah,

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we're complaining about this, and if we happen to talk

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about politics, that's a secondary you know, as you may

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have realized, we don't plan these out at Aldi.

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Speaker 7: We are a gracious bunch, and it feels only right

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to thank the other supermarkets for promoting our prices with

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their Aldi price match. So thank you other supermarkets. Yeah,

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nice work, guys, Good for you. But if you want

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Aldi prices on well everything, well it's the least we

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could do. Stop stop your two kinds. We're just a supermarket.

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Come on now, seriously, stop it. If you want Aldi prices,

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just go to Aldi. It's not complicated.

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Speaker 4: Ah, But so I was after I graduated. My dad's

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not quite an ex pat anymore, but he's fancy person, homeless,

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and so he just kind of you know, goes around.

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And so we spent some time in South America and

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our flight in was on an International American carrier, right

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just like any other flight. The flight we took from

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one South American to another South American country was one

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of the most frightening experiences of my life. It was

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a normal airplane, but the seats were you know, those

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like plastic chairs they have with a metal frame and

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as like three holes in the back yep, that you

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see in like high schools. Yes, that's what the chairs were. So,

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you know, I'm not going to delude myself about the

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possibility of surviving a crash in the andes just you know,

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based off of previous experience, you know, you look at

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other people.

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Speaker 6: Or lost movie alive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And so maybe it's, you know, if anything,

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a credit to them that they're like, you're just going

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to be turned into human moroccas if this thing goes over.

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But that's a little alarming. And then also I realized

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that roughly forty percent of the people in this plane

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had never flown in an airplane before, and so they

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were losing it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, no, I know that feel Yeah that

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I mean the the the seats that you were in

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are that way because they lose, They void their bowels regularly,

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panic and panic on the regular as well.

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Speaker 4: I did even think about that. You're probably entirely right,

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but so they can just owe it down, which, honestly,

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considering my experience flying in and out of Dallas, given Dallas,

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Dallas's demographics, I understand the appeal of to quote a

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great thinker. You know, it smell crazy in there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: Uh so, you know, if you've ever been on airplane,

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you realize that there's this moment kind of just after

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takeoff where you you sort of feel the plane. It

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feels as if it's dropping a little bit right, sort

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of leveling off. Yes, normal part of every flight I've

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ever been on. Dude, it was pandemonium. Oh sure, they

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were loud prayers in Spanish. People were crossing themselves, and so,

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you know, I'm not going to pretend to be one

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of these, you know, road warriors, experienced travelers, but I,

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you know, do it a good bit for previous jobs,

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whatever semblance of a job I have now, so like

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you know, not done it before, and I saw not

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particularly nervous, even given the seating, but when everyone else

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starts losing it. You start looking around. You're like, yeah,

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they've seen something I haven't.

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Speaker 5: You know, you're wondering, like is the can I just

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not see the like the wing over there?

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Speaker 6: Is it on fire? Are there there some? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It's it's funny because I was complaining about flying in

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the Third World to a buddy of mine who is

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a Marine corpvette and he said, he said, I understand

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that's unpleasant. You know, I get it. I'm not going

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to discount what you're saying. But let me tell you

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my worst flying story. Have you ever been in a

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c stallion like uh fifty three h or something like

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that the way you described it is, and it's the

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old Marine Corps ones.

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Speaker 6: He said that they would literally.

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Speaker 5: Have when they would bank and do you know kind

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of hygiene maneuvering because he was in places where there

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were Africans shooting aks up at them and such that

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hydraulic fluid was like spraying out of like valves. I

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think he said they were like over pressure. I don't

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know anything about helicopters. It sounded like a problem to me,

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but he said the crew chief said it was normal.

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That's when I became very frightened, and I was like,

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I believe you have I told.

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Speaker 4: You the reason that my grandfather doesn't fly anymore.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 4: So, my grandfather was an aircraft mechanic in the Vietnam War,

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and so yeah, you know he worked on a lot

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of planes, you know, obviously for the Americans, and had

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a fairly normal experience with that. The thing that freaked

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him out though was the Koreans. Yes, and obviously you

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know the Koreans were savage fighters in that war, but

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particularly the Korean Air Force h was shall we say,

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not up to standard. No, And so he has dozens

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of horrific stories about just pure like lack of maintenance,

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lack of understanding, and also the extreme callous disregard for

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the chain of command for their own soldiers. Yes, And

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basically he has would describe routinely going to his own

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chain of command and being like, hey, look that plane's

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going to fall out of the sky and then you know,

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the door would pop off, the cabin deep pressurized, and

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everyone would be sucked out to their death, and the

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creat Air Force be like just part and parcel, you know,

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like no one could have prevented this. Yeah, freaked him

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out so bad, knowing sort of how the sauce had

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just made that he's basically never been on a plane

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since he got back to America, and I sort of

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can't blame him for it.

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Speaker 5: Right the way that my my father in law put it,

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who had a similar professional career as your grandfather, if

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I recall your grandfather great grandfather, who whichever sporty fellow

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was running around the world in getting into adventures. The

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way he put it is that one of his one

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of their best pilots, who was doing fighter bomber duty.

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You know that wasn't his department, but he would call

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for air support from these guys, and he had dinner

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with these guys, you know, plenty of times at certain

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secret CIA bases and would be talking to them, and

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they like grew up in huts where the roof was

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made of banana leaves, and you know, they owned Like

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I've explained this, I said, there were there were even

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in the early two thousands. You would be in places

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where there's an old lady who owns like three things

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that are made out of like iron or steel. Everything

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else is handmade from local materials, which she would have

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a cell phone, right and so imagine people who are

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used to you know, they hand turn you know, smooth

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bore muskets and make them actually to a very high

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standard of fabrication, and make their own black powder and

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everything by getting the bat guano and the caves and

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drying it out and having all their processes to make

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their own black powder and so very crafty. But everything's handmade.

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And then they're flying basically an early nineteen fifties prop

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plane that you know is a two seater, but it

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can perform like a P fifty one while also carrying

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let me do the math here, like six tons of

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small bombs and stuff like that. So interesting sporty fellows,

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and he would get to the point where he didn't

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like flying in the country very much at all because

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of the let's say that the callous disregard that many

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of these people had given, you know, given the circumstances,

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it made sense for them and what they needed to do,

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but really made you not want to be up in

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the air.

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Speaker 4: So, Carl, let's return to one of our regular conversation topics,

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how cool are Korean guns? Because I think they're really cool,

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like modern stuff.

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Speaker 5: I worked for a Korean company for a while. I

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never told you this, and I I was going camping

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with some buddies, so I had my you know, my SUV,

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and I was like, hey, guys, because they all out

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they're all conscripted into the army, right, I was like, guys,

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come down and see my arsenal and I had AR

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fifteen and an AK and they were like flipping out

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with how rad that was.

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Speaker 6: They're like, oh, you have the gun of the enemy

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and all that.

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Speaker 5: And I was telling them I really want a day

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Wu k one, Like that's what I really want, and

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they're like, no, it's crap. American guns are better. I

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was like, you do know that day Wu also makes

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the the you know, the M sixteen, and they're like,

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but they're not as good as the American ones. It

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was just this mentality that they had and I was like,

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you're crazy. And I never had a day Wu K one,

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but I did have some of their pistols, like that,

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the one that uses the Smith and Wesson Model fifty

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nine mags, the double action.

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Speaker 6: It's like this, it's like.

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Speaker 4: The fifty one something de Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're great, they're great.

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Speaker 6: They're really cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean literally it is uh and I think

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that's part of the allure, is that they're so rare.

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Although I think they've Daywu has made a has spun

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up a US based subsidiary. Yes, so maybe that might change,

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although it won't matter for me.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I guess we're for you either, Carl. But uh, I

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think part of it is that it's always been the

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kind of forbidden fruit, right, very very difficult to get yea.

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And of course, like it is an air eighteen drived

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design if I'm correct, right, that is correct.

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Speaker 6: Yes, But they're.

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Speaker 4: Just cool, like especially the one with the collapsing stock

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like the K model.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's just neat. It's sick as hell. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And and they actually released a subgun version that James

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Reeves was showing off for shot Show this year, which

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he was saying was the coolest, the coolest gun there.

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So there's some nine mil some day Wu nine milimeter

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subgun that's going to be that they're trying to release

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in the US.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: That is a nineties throwback the day wud the lesson version,

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the most nineties gun possible in that like classic stainless

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and black two tone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And you know that I was have that was in

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the some thing that I made reference to in that

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article about you know, buying guns before the bands and

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then coping with them afterwards, which is the tendency becomes, Okay,

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you're more restricted on what you can get. You're either

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going to get very small nine millimeters for Carrie that

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are actually you know, still usable. Don't go too small,

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or you increase the caliber right and like forty is

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one of those compromises that was kind of pointless, you know,

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but it was you know, a nine millimeter size gun

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holding ten rounds, like get the forty version. That was

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a very nineties thing to your point. But now you

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can just be like, oh, I'll just get the ten

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millimeter version instead if I'm stuck with ten rounds, because

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that's that's where you get a real power differential.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've it's interesting and we mentioned this before that

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there are you sort of have to make a there's

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a decision tree for long term gun autism, and one

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of them is do you become obsessed with small or

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big calibers, which leads you to very different places. So,

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for instance, in like a previous era, you know, predominantly

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like the seventies and eighties, this was like the magnum

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caliber craze, you know, like how much powder can can

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Bubba Graham into his pissing hot reloads? Yeah, to turn

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his like you know Ruger Redhawk into a miles scrap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do you see a sort of similar

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thing with ten millimeter guys where it is very much

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the like big bullet you know, I guess you could

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say a lore which like I get, I get certainly.

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Speaker 5: And and ten milimeter is actually a great cartridge. It's

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it performs all beyond like the on paper metrics in

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in terms of what it actually does. I mean, there's

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there's a fair there's a fair school of thought that

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like a hard cast led two hundred and ten grain

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ten millimeter bullet screaming out of your pistol is probably

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even better for bear than like forty four magnum in

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terms of you have several more rounds you know, waiting

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in that magazine, and you use the magazine. It isn't

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once shot, stop nonsense. So yeah, it's a it's an

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interesting it's an interesting perspective.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The uh, it's one of those things where and I

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kind of get it that you know, at a certain

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point it's just like I it's the it's the sort

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of like uh, the bedside table drawer. Uh, you know

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of of you know, gun collecting, where you get to

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a certain point you get something kind of weird. You

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need to motivate yourself to stay interested, which is so like,

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you know, I don't want a king chain, but fundamentally

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I think that there is a lot of shopping for

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a reason to own something. I just kind of like,

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you know, as regards to these niche caliber calibers rather

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which like, look, you know, fair enough man. The Uh,

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it's it's interesting. Have you seen it's been around for

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a while, but it's been officially experimentally adopted as the

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x M E, the shorter version of the the sick rifle.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah. And there was an XMATE before in

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the fish Gun, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 4: Which I think was in one of the ghost recon games.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure it was.

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Speaker 4: There's a whole bunch. I was actually also in a

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really cool History Channel documentary but not documentary, History Channel

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propaganda film that came out in the mid two thousands

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that was predominantly about like, you know, the new tech.

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I can't remember what it was called. It was like

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that and then like the the air burst grenade stuff

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and like the twenty tens like full face helmet, yeah,

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restraint thing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Entirely remember what it was called, but it was incredibly

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fascinating as like an eight year old, right, because you're like, awesome,

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So we're gonna have like power armor and explosive guns

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and the ximate that's pretty neat too, and all we

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got was just a four thousand dollars sig rifle and

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another war and Iran.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and rounds that are incredibly high pressure that

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are apparently wearing guns out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 4: Who could have guessed, you know, mixed that making it shorter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm sure that'll that'll help tremendously with the performance.

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Speaker 4: And I do think it's it's funny, by the way,

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that the US military is like, yeah, we're gonna sue

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three m for not making earplugs up to standard in

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a soldier's TBI. You know what else we're gonna do.

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Give them a and a half inch full power rifle

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pushing out like extreme over pressure, just basically a portable

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TBI generator exact guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and let's do CQB with those too, let's see

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what happens just the.

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Speaker 6: Brain looking out of their ears, good Lord.

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Speaker 4: Which so honestly kind of based.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. There's this, you know, we really

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do live in a cyberpunk dystopia. There's there's a okay,

476
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hear me out. You and I have strong opinions about

477
00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:01,759
the Taurust Judge. However, Thomas's Aging Judge and four fifty

478
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:06,720
four Castle, that's hella cyberpunk, Like I will, I will

479
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:11,200
grant that that is that the Judge is very cyberpunk.

480
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,160
If you think about it, it's a it's a five

481
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:21,279
shot you know, mini shotgun handgun basically, and you know

482
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,279
you can do all the numbers on everything. But like,

483
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,079
to be honest, that's pretty cyberpunk. It's it's it's a

484
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,759
we do live in a cyberpunk dystopia, except like there's

485
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,039
no razor girls other than them like slitting their wrists

486
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,200
and thighs.

487
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's it's one of those things where you know,

488
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,079
really like Blade Runner came true, but we got all

489
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,160
the downsides and none of the upsides. Yeah, exactly, Like

490
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,759
like flying cars obviously the example people think of, but

491
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400
like there there are others as well, and uh yeah,

492
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,759
it's sort of why I've been kind of fascinated with

493
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,000
those films and you know the as well, because you know,

494
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,839
there's obviously a huge parallel between you know, The Replicants

495
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200
is kind of a slave cast and what we've seen

496
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,720
with with immigration, right, yes.

497
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you know it's it's interesting because

498
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,599
when I think cyberpunk, did you ever read William Gibson?

499
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,359
Speaker 4: No, No, I haven't.

500
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, you have to remedy that. I could.

501
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,440
I could send you a pile of books if you

502
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,480
would like. But William Gibson is an American shit lib

503
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:36,960
who moved to Canada. Very good writer. I kind of

504
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,240
don't care about anything that he's written since probably two thousand,

505
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:46,559
but very seminal. His stuff in the eighties and into

506
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,119
the nineties, like the Bridge series was the last good

507
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,799
one I think, although I'm sure it kind of extended

508
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:58,559
out forever. But the basic premise is that that's the

509
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,319
world that we live in, where uh, you know, the

510
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:05,279
the government is still around and is annoying, but it

511
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:10,039
doesn't do anything for anyone, and and corporations run everything,

512
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,079
and the you know, mass immigration has resulted in situations

513
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,480
where like the average person basically lives in a hovel,

514
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:27,799
like the closet you know, pays like half a month's

515
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,640
salary to live in a closet in a flop.

516
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

517
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,799
Speaker 5: That that's owned by an immigrant who constantly talks about

518
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,119
how great America is and stuff like that, and is like,

519
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,039
why are you driving a Japanese car, or like a

520
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,880
Chinese or Korean car, Like as a patriotic American, you

521
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,599
should be driving a German car and stuff like that,

522
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:54,839
and or and then there's also this thing I mentioned

523
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,039
the bridge is the idea is that homelessness gets so

524
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:02,880
bad and sent San Francisco that one day, like the

525
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960
homeless bum rush the Golden gate Bridge, which has very

526
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,160
little traffic because of part of it is automotive controls

527
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:17,440
and gasoline, and there's an earthquake that makes it unusable

528
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,960
without tons of retrofits that the state of California can't afford.

529
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,039
So the homeless bum rush it and then basically build

530
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,799
a shanty town on the Golden gate Bridge, which is

531
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,640
just a totally lawless place. And the premise is actually

532
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,440
incredibly cool and the stories there are great, and it

533
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,400
reminds you of going to pretty much any West Coast

534
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,559
city in the last ten years. There's a neighborhood that's

535
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:44,680
an awful lot like that.

536
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: Well, dude, it's coming to a neighborhood near me.

537
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: Uh thanks.

538
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,599
Speaker 4: Oh, you know Abigail Spanberger who's decided to get rid

539
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,680
of any sort of vagrancy laws, which is super cool.

540
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,880
You know, I appreciate that, honestly. You know, maybe we

541
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,400
could break up our run of live shows to do

542
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,839
an actual prerecorded one because I've never read Neuromancer, and

543
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,960
then I make that would make a pretty good review.

544
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,759
Speaker 5: We'll talk about that would make a great review.

545
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, let's take that.

546
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,319
Speaker 4: So I know you, I know you.

547
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 6: Yes, for twenty dollars.

548
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,319
Speaker 4: And by the way, this comment is at least partially correct.

549
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,559
You'll cry foul, you'll disparage, but you'll read this out

550
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,240
in the end, because twenty dollars is twenty dollars the

551
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:37,160
Hustiva number one. You're right, I am, that's my price.

552
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,200
I'll read out basically anything for twenty dollars. So I

553
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,519
guess you've made your point, and you know, I mean,

554
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:48,640
that's cool and all, But why your rifle so heavy?

555
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:50,759
My last last common on Allen.

556
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:52,759
Speaker 6: Why your rifle so overgassed?

557
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:53,839
Speaker 5: Yeah?

558
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, why is it constantly beating itself to death despite

559
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:02,119
being made out of an addition kilogram of steel? For

560
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,440
no reason? Actually, the funny thing is my my anti

561
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:11,000
Yugo comments have earned me more blowback than almost anything

562
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,480
else I've said on this show. These people are insane.

563
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,599
They're like rabbit, an objectively worse gun.

564
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yeah, you know it's funny.

565
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

566
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,519
Speaker 5: You you saw that picture that I sent yesterday of

567
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:37,239
the of the pointlessly welded Chinese receiver. Yeah, horrifying, horrifying.

568
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,239
It's it's one. It's one of those things where every

569
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920
not every I I think it breaks out this way

570
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:50,840
affordable a k gunsmiths in America who do novel things, Uh,

571
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,599
they they stop making money, or they reach a threshold

572
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,360
where the demand becomes so high that they hire other

573
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
people to do the work and then they stop caring

574
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,280
and you get abominations like that, Or you do the

575
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,440
other route, which is Rifle Dynamics, which charges two hundred

576
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:17,559
dollars to inspect a kit so to assemble assemble an

577
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,800
AK kit that you provide. You provide a part skit

578
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,320
for them to assemble it to spec and then refinish it.

579
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,119
Not even necessarily refinishing it, but more like you know,

580
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,119
probably molly coding it or something like that. They charge

581
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,199
thirteen hundred dollars and it's not like doing anything novel

582
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,719
that's not turning down you know, the gas block index

583
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,480
on the barrel or shortening it and rethreading, you know,

584
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:53,079
with a bore concentric thread so that you can attach

585
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,360
a suppressor that does isn't totally overboard. It's like it's

586
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,679
thirteen hundred dollars and so it's it's almost like one

587
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,199
direction or the other. There's very few that are that

588
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,840
are still doing it, and it's AK for some reason.

589
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,960
It's AK and my theory. There's an interesting point Jim Fuller,

590
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,480
who founded Rifle Dynamics, who's doing something different. I think now,

591
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,400
I think he's spinning up some new business. He pointed

592
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,079
out that the you know, we have this mentality that

593
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:31,079
ak's are cheap because you could buy them for very little,

594
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:35,800
but that was because they were surplus. There were government

595
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,960
surplus from these programs that we're building weapons were like

596
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
a key strategic element of all these countries was step

597
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:50,199
one develop an AK forty seven factory, and so like

598
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,840
it's a major component of the national character is we

599
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,679
have our own AK forty seven factory, and you know

600
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,679
we're not doing it for profit. You know, it can

601
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,920
be a loss leader essentially. And also if you do

602
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
a very bad job of these, you could get a

603
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,480
bullet in the back of your head. So there are

604
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,280
these guns that were made so that they eventually became

605
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,800
affordable because it was like reduced labor and manufacturing. Eventually,

606
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,440
you know, once you have this whole, once you build

607
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,400
this industrial infrastructure, and when you look at the story

608
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
of how the Chinese built their arms industry up, you

609
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,559
really see this is where they start out, not with

610
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:39,039
like the PPS forty three, you know, industrial based cheap

611
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,719
guns that are good. They start with the PPSh forty one,

612
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,199
which is like a first generation where it's all forgings

613
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,360
and hand fitted this and that way more operations because

614
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,360
they had more people than they had you know, huge

615
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,000
industrial concerns that could do stamping and stuff like that.

616
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,559
So like you would take a truck factory and reorient

617
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,760
it to make the PPS forty three, and all you

618
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,599
would need is like you know, barrel boring and stuff

619
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,400
and rifling and all that, but that's not that big

620
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,440
of a deal. Once you have these massive factories that

621
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,440
are already there, well, it's hard to get to a

622
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,559
massive factory. So that's why they do this first generation

623
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,320
hand fitting stuff. So it's it's a really interesting philosophy.

624
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,400
So that's why Jim Fuller is like, that's why it

625
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,800
costs so much to make one off aks is because

626
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,320
you either need an incredibly expensive factory to just crank

627
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,039
them out, or you need a shitload of manual work.

628
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:48,159
And in America you have to pay you know, hourly

629
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,400
wages and they're all all the stuff is different too.

630
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't just have a whole city devoted to producing.

631
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: That thing exactly exactly. Yeah.

632
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 4: I think that we may have mentioned this before, but

633
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,000
it is sort of an interesting difference in you know,

634
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:09,280
how our Cold War service rifle and theirs were produced

635
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,400
right where it's like the ear is basically designed for

636
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,719
like small machining operations to be able to turn out

637
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,280
endless derivations, you know, versus this like you know, sort

638
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,559
of centralized method of production.

639
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

640
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of there's an interesting difference there. I mean,

641
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,800
one of the other interesting trends has been the sort

642
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,960
of you know, death of sort of European produced rifles.

643
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 6: Right obviously, you.

644
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,519
Speaker 4: Know that the FAMAS is gone, and soon the lad one,

645
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:48,719
which I realized has been made by HK for a

646
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,679
while now, will be gone as well. And you know,

647
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,519
part of it is because, to be honest, you know,

648
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,559
European powers chances of getting into a shooting war are

649
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,440
pretty low, so it you know, it doesn't matter. In

650
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,960
the same way, there's also the fact that they're you know,

651
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,719
to be honest, they've been colonized right there. They're not

652
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,360
really sovereign in the same way anymore. But I think

653
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,679
that's a very interesting shift where it seems as if

654
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:16,480
they're sort of taking globalism to its logical conclusion, even

655
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,800
with something as basic as like what gun they give

656
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,800
to you know, their guys.

657
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this actually started at the end of the

658
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,920
Cold War. A little bit before, like during the Cold

659
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,079
War you saw a lot of consolidations, but after the

660
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:37,199
end of the Cold War, the European national armories were

661
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,519
privatized and sold off to all these different conglomerates and

662
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,360
then they would basically get shut down and then you know,

663
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,679
in in some cases in the run up to the

664
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Ukraine War, or literally after the Ukraine War broke out,

665
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,199
a lot of them said, oh my god, we have

666
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,960
a huge problem. We need to get these manufactories back

667
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,119
up and running. In Spain of all countries, actually did

668
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:11,039
a fair bit of that, but most of their most

669
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,719
of their arms industry, which used to be a huge

670
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,079
part of their economy. Given the nature of their their

671
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:23,719
old political characteristics, one could say they they had to

672
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,440
really scramble, and they're probably better off than almost anyone

673
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,079
in Europe other than the Belgians, because again, the Belgians

674
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,920
have FN which has always been a global manufacturer. And

675
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:40,480
it's interesting there there was a book that I read

676
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,880
that was written in the eighties and I think it

677
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,000
was Paul Bowler's Manual of the Mercenary Soldier, and it

678
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,519
was written by a guy who had been a mercenary

679
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,519
for a long time, and a lot of a lot

680
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,039
of what people don't understand is that is that merks

681
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:02,039
mostly come in and say, we're going to be like

682
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,199
a serious officer corps reporting to the president of some

683
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,199
third world country to get your mess of a military

684
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,920
up and running. And so they become the guys that

685
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:18,079
make sure that there's like an actual small arms program

686
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:23,440
that is training guys and repairing weapons and stuff like that.

687
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,199
And so that's what a huge amount of what they

688
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,239
do is actually about. And so one of the things

689
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,679
that he said is that the FN sales people were

690
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,199
the best in the world where they would whine and dine,

691
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,400
you know, these movers and shakers in all these shitholes,

692
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,920
and that's why you see FN rifles everywhere. It's the

693
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,039
what do they call it, the right arm of the

694
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960
First world was or of the Free world, is one

695
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,480
of the old descriptions of them. And it's because they

696
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,440
were just great salesmen and they would give people good prices,

697
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,360
uh for like long term support on their stuff. Whereas

698
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,719
like he hated HK the HKG three with a passion

699
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:20,119
because I have my own theories around that. But and

700
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,360
a lot of it is that they're that they're frankly

701
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,679
pretty cheap guns ultimately, and like they don't repair well,

702
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,719
that they're kind of semi disposable.

703
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,559
Speaker 6: They're they're up to a high.

704
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 5: Level of quality for until you run into problems. And

705
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,920
if you've ever seen someone diagnose an endemic problem with

706
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,079
an HK weapon or one of their copies like you would.

707
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,440
You would understand it immediately when you look at like

708
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,320
the bolts and everything. You're like, oh, I get why

709
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,639
someone would hate this thing.

710
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the the domestic HK salesman in the nineties,

711
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,639
we're doing crazy stuff. Yes, have you ever seen at one?

712
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,599
It's on YouTube. It's like a forty minute compilation of

713
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,400
the ads that they would send to law enforcement. You

714
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,280
ever seen that before?

715
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 6: Yes? Yeah, yeah, the old DHS wild.

716
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 4: It's obviously super fun. Like there's a bunch of crazy

717
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480
stuff where it's like they've got guys dressed up in

718
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:21,920
like like uh like British embassy style like sas pajamas,

719
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,519
like running through wood the woods and like diving in

720
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:30,559
the water. They've got uh, they've got like fake explosions

721
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,000
going off. There's a really famous one of this, like

722
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:37,039
super jacked black guy where he's basically got an MP

723
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,679
five and he's holding it and he as it's shooting

724
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,719
in fial auto. He takes it through a full like

725
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,920
one hundred and eighty degrees, you know, just to show

726
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,079
you what works at any angle. And I'll be honest,

727
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,039
if I were like the guy in charge of purchasing

728
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:56,000
at some like you know, like po Dunk police Department

729
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,039
in the middle of nowhere. That would have worked on me.

730
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, really absolutely, Yeah.

731
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 4: The UH guys of your age, I feel like, are

732
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,960
particularly susceptible to UH to h K propaganda. In fact,

733
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,800
I can think of a few no relatively private podcasts

734
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,840
who definitely have bought it hook Line and Sinker.

735
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's true. I I'm very familiar with those guys.

736
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,519
And the only reason, uh, the only reason I don't

737
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:32,280
really have that mentality is having I've shot a lot

738
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:38,440
of stuff, and I HK kind of lost its allure

739
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:43,360
for me. Although they're they're very high quality weapons. I'm

740
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,840
not gonna poo poo them. Uh they shoot well. But

741
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,440
I am from the era where HK was like, you

742
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:54,119
suck and we hate you. And the the whole thing

743
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:57,519
is with HK is you solve your problems by spending money,

744
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:03,840
whereas with other platforms. And also, gun is fine, right,

745
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,400
that's the HK mentality. Gun is fine, but other platforms,

746
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,000
like you have more of an aftermarket support, you have

747
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,199
other things that you can do with them, et cetera.

748
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,559
You know, gun is not fine. It's okay to mess

749
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,360
with them, but I do. I do, honestly. I really

750
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,039
like the USP in nine millimeter an awful lot, and

751
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:30,280
I also like USP forty fives. They're really great guns.

752
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,400
But the P seven is the one that I've been

753
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,000
in love with my whole life.

754
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,639
Speaker 6: But is it worth?

755
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 5: Is it good enough to I mean, like, if you're

756
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,760
gonna buy it to collect it and play with it occasionally?

757
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,840
Is a P seven M eight worth two grand or

758
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,920
whatever they're going for now? I don't really think so.

759
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,320
They are cool, but the problem is, like you can't

760
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,079
shoot it a lot because the parts are just like

761
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:07,320
like they're they're rarer than gold. I really want a

762
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,280
you're gonna laugh at me. I really want the P

763
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,320
seven K three, which is the uh, the more of this,

764
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:20,280
the smaller caliber one, because there it does conversion for

765
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480
four different cartridges. The HK four is the same way.

766
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,719
The HK four is like a stamped piece of shit

767
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,199
PP like Walter PP equivalent. It's just a blowback. So

768
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,480
like Carl, the slight stamping and welding of milled parts.

769
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 4: Yes, Carl, when you're saying that there are four calibers.

770
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 5: Twenty two l R twenty five, a CP thirty two

771
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,880
ACP three eighty a CP.

772
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,639
Speaker 4: So viewers, you may remember earlier when I referred to

773
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,079
the decision right where you sick which form of one

774
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,800
of them you have? And we you know, joked about

775
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,639
the big bullet, guys, Carl Man, at this point, I

776
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,599
think it's terminal your your thirty two obsession. I think

777
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:06,840
it's it's it's in your brain.

778
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,639
Speaker 5: It is it, it's it is one hundred percent. But

779
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,480
you may recall the other the conversation that we were

780
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:19,599
having with a your enabler, your your dealer, as it

781
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:26,079
was your pusher, about that the joys of you know,

782
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,280
milling a little like o ring into your into the

783
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,239
chamber of your thirty two ACP to increase the dwell

784
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,800
time when you're firing it with the suppressor, which which

785
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,920
keeps the action closed slightly longer, and thus it improves

786
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,800
the suppression level to where it's pretty much like shooting

787
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,960
a twenty two l R, you know, subsonic with a

788
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,039
suppressor and it's just so quiet, but it has more

789
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:02,119
than double the terminal ballistic of the twenty two LR round.

790
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,599
And so here's my thing, twenty two you know, in

791
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:12,239
in you know, ghost recon or you know, whatever specops game,

792
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,480
you have a guy with a suppressed ruger, you know,

793
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:21,360
Mark two, three four, whatever, and it's like ting ting

794
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,880
and these head shotting guys and they're going down, and

795
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,239
it's like, you know, to be honest, that doesn't really

796
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,280
work that way. Like twenty sub Sonic twenty two LR

797
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,519
is anemic in the extreme, and the idea that you're

798
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:41,280
definitely going to penetrate you know, something thick don't. I

799
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,880
don't want to sound horrible on YouTube, but is pretty delusional.

800
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,960
And I know people that have survived such events which

801
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,239
have taken which have occurred against them, and one I

802
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,079
don't recommend it. It's not like a good experience, but

803
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,239
you know, it's it's not it's not a video game

804
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,920
where as long as you're within the center third of

805
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,519
it that it definitely penetrates and takes them down.

806
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 4: The one thing I will say that HK is done

808
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,519
and this this actually aligns with your small caliber autism

809
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,440
is the Civilian MP seven, which has been teased. Yes,

810
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:35,559
so here's what I'll say. I am aware and I've

811
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:39,800
had people with firsthand experience tell me they're not that good.

812
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:40,519
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

813
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: However, however, I'll be honest, Gordon Freeman did a number

814
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,800
on me. It's it's really really cool in that game.

815
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,039
Speaker 5: How many yeah, how many hours do you have behind

816
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:56,840
that weapon in a video game?

817
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 6: A lot?

818
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: I'm not, you know, I don't really play games much anymore,

819
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:07,320
and those I do are incomprehensible nonsense, so like, but

820
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,639
it's a lot, man, it's a lot. Same reason why

821
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,000
I like the MP five SD, which you know people

822
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,639
like much more. But it's you saw me go through

823
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:20,000
this this rationalization, yes, with my with my dealer, uh,

824
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:25,320
deliberately using an ambiguous term are Uh, it just doesn't

825
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,480
make sense. Similarly, the MP seven doesn't make sense for

826
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,679
a number of reasons, but it's just cool. I get

827
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,880
it's really cool.

828
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 5: I mean I was I'm the guy who was saying

829
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
that the that the Keltech what is it, P fifty

830
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,199
or whatever is cool, you know, I I just have

831
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:51,039
to admit it. It's it's ridiculous, it's absurd, but they're

832
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:51,800
super cool.

833
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 6: They're super cool.

834
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 5: I I have a soft spot for the MP five

835
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,880
k PDW for the same reason. Video games that I

836
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,840
played at the time it was completely unobtainable. You know,

837
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,320
you were like I'm never going to own one of

838
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,119
these because they were banning all the stuff, you know,

839
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,679
and then HK wouldn't make you know, HK stopped making

840
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,480
them for the civilian market like nineteen ninety so in

841
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,719
like nineteen ninety three, of course, I was like, that

842
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,400
is the sickest thing I've ever seen.

843
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's incredibly aggravating because and I'm sure you

844
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,639
had this the same experience, or you you realize something

845
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,199
is cool at precisely the moment that either everyone else

846
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,159
has had their attention drawing, yeah, or just after it

847
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:45,920
became absolute Unobtainedum. And I guess my my generational trauma

848
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,280
as a zoomer is assuming that anything that is cheap

849
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,320
and good will soon cease to exist, right, yes, So

850
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,119
it's why I tend to buy SURP stuff.

851
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 5: What's that?

852
00:52:58,199 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 6: Is that what you tell your wife?

853
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: Tell her Carl guy lived?

854
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 5: No, I mean I mean like when when she's like,

855
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,679
what's that? I haven't seen that one before? And you're.

856
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: Uh Arabic discourse uh jaquevius Burden the giggle switch enthusiast. Now,

857
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,639
I'll take that on levels. Uh, well, not at all

858
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:26,880
speaking about that in any legally definable way. But I

859
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,960
have been going through the process of putting together, uh,

860
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,039
you know, an ar trigger set up for my MB five,

861
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:40,679
which I violated one of the first rules of buying

862
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,719
a gun, which is don't modify it before you see

863
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,039
if it works or well that'st that point.

864
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:46,599
Speaker 2: Uh.

865
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,119
Speaker 4: But you know, from from talking to uh, you know, Pete,

866
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,719
a few other guys who've gone down that rabbit hole,

867
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,800
it seems, you know, relatively simple and I'm very curious

868
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,519
to see how that system works. I will say I

869
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,119
actually got one of the H three D printed lowers

870
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,360
because advances in that have really improved the quality of

871
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,760
the finishing as well as the doability. But honestly, even

872
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,440
if I wasn't trying to go fast with it. Oh,

873
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,280
by the way, Carl, I ordered some some parts from

874
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,719
your guys and won't say oh cooler than that. I

875
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,599
know you've done some design work for them, and I

876
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:25,719
think I actually have one of your stickers. But anyway,

877
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:31,559
point is, h honestly, it's kind of just a flat improvement,

878
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,239
both from an ERGOS level and also a stock h

879
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,239
k MP five trigger.

880
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 6: Is sucks awful, man, They suck.

881
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 4: People say like, oh, it's a staple gun. It is

882
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,280
actually remarkably similar to a staple gun.

883
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 5: And and it costs a fortune to try to tune them.

884
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,480
So no, that's that's the that's such a smart move. Yeah, well.

885
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 7: Thank you.

886
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: This is why I bring you on, Carl. But like

887
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:04,360
even you can get the like the the cheaper guysily triggers,

888
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400
like the G two S which is like plus or

889
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,159
minus one hundred bucks, which I don't like as much

890
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,400
as the LaRue trigger A discussion for another day. But

891
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,519
the LaRue one is more picky like it it works

892
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:17,559
great in an AR, but it doesn't work in a

893
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:21,440
lot of the not ars that take AR triggers, if

894
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,880
that makes sense. But point is really really good and

895
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,039
for like one hundred dollars printed lower some random parts

896
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,559
and a trigger way way better.

897
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

898
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,599
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And and it's a it's a it's a it's

899
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:44,320
a product that that sells well and uh for a

900
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,599
good reason. It's it's because they uh, it just takes

901
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:53,239
care of all these issues that you have to cope about,

902
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,239
like the HK bros in the old days before before

903
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,559
someone made you know, here's how you do this using

904
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,800
AR components which are readily available and affordable at a

905
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,639
very high level of quality, and also fairly consistent in

906
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,639
terms of like the production so that it'll actually work.

907
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:20,480
You used to have to send in your precious HK components,

908
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,679
which which cost of fortune to gunsmiths and hope that

909
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,199
it wasn't Friday by the time they got around to them,

910
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,079
and spend like four hundred dollars to get a trigger job.

911
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:37,599
So that's everything about HK is it's it's always been

912
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,119
like super expensive stuff. Now interestingly, like the VP nine

913
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,519
is you know, produced in sufficient quantities and the CC

914
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:49,880
nine and stuff that they're good guns, they're great guns,

915
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,199
and they're produced fairly and expensively, which is like what

916
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,480
it should be. That's that's hk's model is. You know,

917
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:03,039
it's it's above an AK in terms of like quality,

918
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:06,320
but it's still churned out in that same with that

919
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,920
same concept that it's like it's the Volts pistol. It's

920
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,440
like an affordable pistol that everyone can own.

921
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,079
Speaker 4: So I will say, speaking of things that have just

922
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:23,320
absolutely ruined my brain, I will never get overthinking the

923
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,159
four sixteen is the coolest thing ever really for no reason,

924
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,320
Like I'm not a piston guy. Piston guys, man, you

925
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,400
got to send them to a home.

926
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,159
Speaker 6: He did what cut?

927
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: No, I said, Piston, guys need to be sent to

928
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,760
a home because it's it's.

929
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 5: It's a it's a car's reference. My son watched cars

930
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,440
so many times when he was little that I hear piston.

931
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,840
I think he did what his cup because it's the

932
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,239
piston cup. Yeah.

933
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: The best joke from that movie, Yes, I have this, which,

934
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,719
by the way, uh somewhat somewhat disturbing. Note the female

935
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,280
car from that movie did a similar thing to a

936
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,039
subpopulation of my generation that Lola Bunny did to yours.

937
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,400
That is not a joke.

938
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Oh my goodness.

939
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,559
Speaker 5: No, it's true. It's true.

940
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: Oh wait, there was one more thing about my flight

941
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:29,320
I forgot to tell you. Uh so you and I

942
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:36,199
have occasionally mentioned before, you know, uh vamgooner slop right, Yeah.

943
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

944
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: On one of my many many flights to nowhere, I

945
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,800
sat next to this uh lady with you know, dyed

946
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,440
hair and Caine, and she was reading one of the

947
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Fourth Wing books, right, which is basically like uh like

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Erotic Dragon Harry Potter.

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Speaker 6: Oh nice.

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Speaker 4: It's just one of those things where I'm like, I

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know we joke about this, but it's weird to sit

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next to someone for four hours reading that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Why are you here?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: Why do you think this is okay in public?

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Speaker 6: That's it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's just like I don't want to think about

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some stranger doing that, and I like, we're literally cheek

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to jowl. It's again, homes.

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Speaker 5: I was so traumatized by a versioning issue I had

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with my first novel that when I I actually did

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what you're supposed to do with the second one, which

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is I got my I got my proof copy, and

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I actually went through the whole thing, and I did

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that on a business trip, and so I'm I'm on

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a flight with affection with the Crusaders and going through

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and marking it up and being like sometimes you know

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how I am as I always tell people that the

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very best way to determine your grammar is to read

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it out loud, or to like read it in a

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way where you're more deliberately kind of verbalizing it in

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your mind, which you can do if you can rotate

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shapes and things like that. You know, I know many

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many supposed humans can't do that, but you can do

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that if you're in the sound of my voice and anyway.

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So that's to make sure like the grammar flows perfectly,

978
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et cetera. So I'm going through and i'm marking it up,

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and there's a woman sitting next to me, and she's

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looking over and she asked me what the book is

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about or what I'm doing, and I said, oh, I'm

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doing some proof reading for a friend for a novel.

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And she asked what the book was about, and I

984
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was like, oh, the Spanish Civil War. And she's like, oh,

985
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like hemingway is what she said, which I knew that

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it would make you smile, and I was like, yeah,

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sort of. And because I was reading the point like

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right before, I was reading it right before they execute

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a bunch of prisoners and uh and in the in

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the tale of the book, it's perfectly normal of course

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you would do that. And so I just kind of

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left it that. I didn't want to be too chatty

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about it. And what was she reading? It was some

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it was some fem gooner crap, but at least it

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wasn't beast reality themed.

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Speaker 4: You're that's the term that we call damning by faint praise. Yes,

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you know, yes, it's the romance slop back in. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

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the I meant it, kain uh illiteracy has never been higher,

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and apparently everyone knows how to read all it at

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that the uh yeah, the the process of roof reading,

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and I realized is probably not super interesting uh for

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you know, my audience, but you know, I imagine any

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people occasions might might catch an article that I've I've written.

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There another one coming out soon, by the way, in chronicles.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 4: So you can do it yourself and you spend a

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lot of time actually think about it. Or you can

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take a poorly composed screed and uh send it to

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your unemployed friends make them read it instead.

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