WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.799 Bloundish Authenticity Podcast. 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.679 Welcome back to another episode of Boundless Authenticity. My return 3 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:12.199 guest is Thomas the Paranoid American who has worked at 4 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:17.160 Disney and MTV and knows a lot about animation and 5 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:22.399 the various industries and mind control and all kinds of 6 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:27.280 crazy stuff. It's unbelievable what this guy knows. You can 7 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:32.240 visit Paranoid American dot com to learn more about conspiracy 8 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:36.479 themed comic books, get some cool T shirts, playing cards, 9 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:39.439 other trinkets as well, and you can tune in to 10 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:44.600 the Paranoid American podcast. 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Man, it's good to talk to 34 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.040 you again. And just clarification, I don't sell trinkets. I 35 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.439 sell choch keys. Look at that, right, sir? 36 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:09.199 Jeez oh that's hilarious. So yeah, we are going to 37 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.960 talk about Disney and MK Ultra, and I guess the 38 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:15.599 best way to go about it is how did that 39 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.719 even start? Because I run into so many non believers 40 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:21.159 They're like, oh, that's just conspiracy garbage, just not real. 41 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.800 I mean, if we go chronologically, Disney came first, technically 42 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.159 before mk ULTRA did. And there are mk ultra papers 43 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:35.919 that specifically cite Disney films as inspirations for mind control techniques, 44 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.319 so both of those are documented. This is just wild conjecture, 45 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.759 so that's an interesting overline. But also I feel that 46 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:48.400 Walt Disney, it's a it's it's uh. These two subjects 47 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.199 are so intertwined it's actually fun to try and like 48 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.919 pick them apart. So let's let's start with mk ULTRA first, 49 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.520 just because that one is a little bit more clearly defined. 50 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.400 So mk ultra was the end form. This was like 51 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:07.159 the final form of this slow progression towards mind control research. 52 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:11.919 It basically started sometime around nineteen forty five, and this 53 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.599 is when the US Navy Technical Mission that was like 54 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:18.879 the name before there was a CIA and OSS and 55 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:23.599 all this this like Naval Intelligence group, they found these 56 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.560 papers that were used at the Dachau concentration camp that 57 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:31.479 mentioned the use of mescaline, and from there they start 58 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.439 revealing that the Germans were basically giving people all these 59 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:40.919 very strong psychedelics psychoactive substances in order to help try 60 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.280 and get them to find some sort of truth serum, 61 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.120 so that if they captured someone they would talk, even 62 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.319 under duress, even if it were something they would never 63 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:55.199 want to reveal. And while the efficacy and regardless of 64 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.280 how ethical it is I'm talking about, like how efficient 65 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.400 it was, that is still kind of under debate and 66 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.319 whether they stuck to that or it expanded, but that 67 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.800 was the very original seed that you can kind of 68 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.919 trace this back. The US had known about mescaline since 69 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.879 at least the eighteen eighties, when they, you know, Native 70 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.240 Americans were using it, they were selling payote by mail. 71 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.120 But it wasn't necessarily targeted or even seen as a 72 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.480 specific chemical at that point. It was just some weird 73 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.040 folk medicine and over a slow progression based on some 74 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.079 of the stuff that we've talked about in our last show, 75 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:31.800 that kind of like coalesced between the late eighteen hundreds 76 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.839 and then like the nineteen thirties. So now you've got 77 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:38.360 maybe ten years after that, right nineteen forty, nineteen forty five, 78 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.240 and like, okay, well, this compound, this mescaline that we've 79 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.279 already isolated, We already understand where it come from and 80 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:47.800 how it's used and how it binds with receptors, or 81 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.120 at least as much as they knew about it in 82 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:53.639 the forties and this they're saying, Oh, but the Nazis 83 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.279 are using this for some sort of a military edge. 84 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:01.839 They're getting information maybe they if that's even one percent 85 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.759 possible that they're doing that, and we're not. Now, all 86 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.759 of a sudden, we're behind the game. So the US 87 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:12.600 military they just start ramping up. So originally this discovery 88 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.160 that they got in forty five from a concentration camp, 89 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.560 that evolves into something called Project Chatter, which the name 90 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.439 is in that unique you know, it's to get people talking. 91 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.600 So they called it Project Chatter, and this was under 92 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.000 the guise of the Navy. Then it turns into Project Bluebird, 93 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.040 which gets a little bit more attention. He might have 94 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.240 heard this one before. And this was organized by Richard Helms, 95 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.959 who was at the CIA at the time. And then 96 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.399 from Bluebird, once Helms goes out and Alan Dulles comes in, 97 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:46.800 he kind of takes all this different research from Chapter 98 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.160 and Chatter and Bluebird and he combines it into something 99 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:55.560 called Project Artichoke. And then Project Artichoke explodes so much 100 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.319 in scope. Now all of a sudden, it's not just 101 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.160 about this one thing about finding a truth serum or 102 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.800 psychedelics and interrogation. Now it's just like, let's throw some 103 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.439 stuff at the wall and see what sticks. And this 104 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.000 is essentially what mk ultra is. Mk Ultra becomes the 105 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.920 massive umbrella term for all these hundreds and hundreds of 106 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.680 subprojects that started as just like a single subproject. So 107 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.600 that's the most like, you know, bird's eye view of 108 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.240 mk ultra that I think would be useful for now. 109 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.480 Yeah, that was well said. Geez, that was well said. 110 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.920 It's the Disney thing, is what I think a lot 111 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.839 of people get wrong, because yeah, in recent times a 112 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:39.879 lot more has come out on the Internet, but it's 113 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:44.800 still just like a very small, panic driven fraction, if 114 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:45.639 you get what I'm saying. 115 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.120 Well, I think so this is kind of where Disney 116 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.319 combines with all that mk ultra stuff, because maybe you're wondering, like, 117 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.560 how the hell would these two things connect. Well, interestingly enough, Disney, 118 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.480 a lot of the original Disney classics that put them 119 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.759 on the map kept them there were really just adaptations 120 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:08.680 of Brothers Grim folklore, specifically Germanic folklore, and interestingly enough, 121 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.560 the Brothers Grim they started out as historians. They weren't 122 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.680 fiction writers. They were actually documenting the very real, sort 123 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.279 of lost history of these Germanic tribes and just Germany 124 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.399 and Bavaria in general, and a lot of that information 125 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.759 had been lost to time or it was just slowly 126 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:32.879 evaporating generation by generation, and they kind of reinvigorated the 127 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:37.079 German people's fascination with their own history through these folk 128 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.439 tales and through Disney. He kind of makes that a 129 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:45.040 worldwide phenomenon. Now the entire world cares about Germanic folklore, 130 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.399 whereas before maybe it didn't so much. I mean, Grim's 131 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.680 Brother's Fairy Tales was only outsold by the Bible. For 132 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.560 a long period of time, it was the most popular book, 133 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:57.959 and I mean I would almost argue there was probably 134 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:59.839 the book that was read more often, even though if 135 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:02.639 you bought a Bible, a lot of those people that 136 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.079 had on the shelf maybe weren't reading it as often. 137 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.279 But if you add kids and Grim's fairy Tales, you're 138 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:11.120 probably open in that you're cracking that open more so 139 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.560 than the Bible, right, because you probably don't just have 140 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.720 it for appearances, you have it because you're actually reading it. 141 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:21.560 So this is hard to understate how impactful and how 142 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.360 like burrowed if you believe in epigenetic memory. For example, 143 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.759 if you believe that enough of your ancestors all thought 144 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.480 or read the same things that somehow it just kind 145 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.360 of like through generational osmosis, ends up in your brain, 146 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.600 then this would fall directly out of that category. And 147 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.919 even if you don't believe in epigenetic memory like that, 148 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.759 which is maybe a pseudoscience. If you don't believe in that, 149 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.360 you could still say that the cultural impact serves as 150 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.360 like an environmental programming, so that even if your family 151 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.519 doesn't care about Grim's fairy tales, just it being incorporated 152 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:00.480 at such high levels throughout all of society and just 153 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.200 everything that you come in contact with, the inspirations that 154 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:07.720 brought that about show some of these traces of like 155 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.759 Germanic folklore. All this to say that there might not 156 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.399 have even been a revolt in the Weimar Republic, and 157 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:16.840 there might not even even been a rise of a 158 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.120 nationalist socialist party in Germany if it hadn't been for 159 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:27.080 Walt Disney helping sort of normalize this resurgence of Germanic folklore, 160 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.039 which also would have happened with the Grim's fairy Tales. 161 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.360 So you can draw a direct line, in my opinion, 162 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:36.919 from Grim making this resurgence to Disney making it global, 163 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.799 to then World War two and the Nazi Party. And 164 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.200 now I'm not saying that Walt was like a direct influce. 165 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.840 He wasn't any Henry Ford right where they shared framed 166 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.879 the pictures of each other on him in Hitler's desk. 167 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:53.559 But Walt did reinvigorate the Germanic peoples in this way. 168 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.600 And it's just an interesting connection that right around the 169 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.480 tail end of this conflict that happened because of this 170 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.320 revigorated interest in dramatic culture, that now we've got some 171 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.320 of the most potent Disney films that ever come out. 172 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:12.840 And the best example might be Alice in Wonderland as 173 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.519 the direct intersection between these two worlds, because it came 174 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.120 out right around the time in which mk Ultra was 175 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.039 at a fever pitch when they were like, all right, 176 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.240 we're throwing all of our money at this thing, let's 177 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.240 just see how far it can go. And there's even 178 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.799 mk Ultra paperwork that reference what they call Alice in 179 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:34.559 Wonderland programming. So if you had to put a single 180 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.600 pinpoint on where the argument is the closest between these 181 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.879 two worlds overlapping. I would say it's right around that time, 182 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.960 which I think is like fifties and sixties. And this 183 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.000 is also when wall is still involved enough with Disney 184 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.840 that you could call it like Walt Disney Productions. If 185 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.000 we talk about Disney right now, or if we're talking 186 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.080 about Disney in the eighties or nineties, it's Disney, but 187 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.240 it's the corporate eggregore of Disney. It's no longer like 188 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.559 the Walt Disney. And I do think that those those 189 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.279 two entities couldn't be more different in a lot of regards. 190 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.200 Yeah, See, this is why I like having you on, 191 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.960 because you're better than chat GPT. You're like an encyclopedia 192 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.840 of stuff, and I can always ask you to clarify 193 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.159 on stuff that people get wrong all the time and 194 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.120 they don't know the history. And you know, I think 195 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:22.279 that because I've been through that phase so many years 196 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:23.799 ago in my life where I just watched a lot 197 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.960 of conspiracy videos and stuff. It's the same repetitive content, 198 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.600 but it's not very factual. They always just stop shy 199 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:32.200 of getting into the real deal. 200 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.120 You know, it's repurposed. I mean, I know the sources 201 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.039 once you know the sources. You can pick this all out. 202 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.759 It's John Todd, and it's Jordan Maxwell, and it's Text Mars, 203 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.279 and it's some Leo Taxle if you go back far enough. 204 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.000 But it really is the exact same sources over and 205 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.039 over with different hot takes. So I would relate this 206 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.159 to the equivalent of someone that discovers they really like 207 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.159 a band. Right, you can go and collect all that 208 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.159 band's albums, but you might even realize, like, oh, that's 209 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.840 so weird. The first three sound different than these three. 210 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.399 And what you do is you look and see who 211 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.639 the producer was of the album, who, like what the 212 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.799 name of the person that was playing the drums on 213 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.519 the album or if you like the drums. And I 214 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.559 kind of do that with my conspiracy research, where like 215 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.600 you come across something you're like, well, I don't think 216 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.200 tex Mars like personally discovered this information, So where did 217 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:21.799 he get it from? And then where did they get 218 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.360 it from? And once you get far back along you 219 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.600 can kind of find out like who the producer of 220 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.679 that album really was, and then go and look for 221 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.000 all the other things that they've done. And that's kind of, 222 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.840 in my opinion, that's the best tip as to getting 223 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.320 to the bottom of some of the weird conspiracy claims 224 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.639 that come out, and then the sources just like just 225 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.879 trust me, bro I read it, like where did you 226 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:43.120 get it? 227 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.440 Though it is the same information over and over, And 228 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.080 I think that in a lot of ways it's been 229 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:53.399 weaponized because then you can create a bunch of conspiracy 230 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:57.440 theorists that just regurginate and regurgitate another narrative, just like 231 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.480 they regurgitate every other narrative that we've ever in fit 232 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.120 and nobody makes any progress. 233 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:05.399 But it's kind of a two way road in this case, 234 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.639 because I think people turn themselves into useful idiots. So 235 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.399 there is a certain point when like the masses are 236 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.159 no longer blameless, Like you can be ignorant, but if 237 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.720 you're ignorant long enough and you know to such an extent, 238 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.320 sometimes it is on you. And I don't see it 239 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.480 as like a victim blaming thing. For example, when it 240 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.279 comes to any conspiracy research MK Ultra Illuminati does any 241 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:36.200 of the different categories, there's something fun and novel about 242 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:39.320 just the headline aspect of it all. But then to 243 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:42.879 be like okay, and to verify this, here's a seven 244 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.080 hundred page book that's not a fun read, and you 245 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.320 got to read that whole thing, and then you'll get 246 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:50.919 the context on what the title of the thing means. 247 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.799 And it's like there's a huge drop off if you 248 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.000 were to visualize on a graph the people that start 249 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.000 on page one and make it the page seven hundred 250 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.600 and read through the entire thing, right, it's not one 251 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:03.879 hundred percent, it's not a straight line of every single 252 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.799 person that interacts with it. And this comes up even 253 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.720 on like conspiracy podcasts, where why is it that the 254 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.919 headline shows or just let's read through today's headlines and 255 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.360 give our quick takes on it seem to do better 256 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.080 than real big deep dives, And it's really just because 257 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.120 it's not as fun. It's not as fun to dispel 258 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.320 some of the rumors about conspiracy theories and start looking 259 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.480 into like the nuances. And because at a mass level, 260 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.440 at a wide scale, nuance isn't really fun or interesting 261 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.519 or entertaining. It means that you've got to take a 262 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.840 stop and what you're doing and like think about something 263 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:42.440 and come up with a judgment, and then there's a 264 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.080 really good chance that your interpretation isn't going to match 265 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.480 every single other person, So now you'll see like a 266 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.039 drop off an audience. So the best way to avoid 267 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.440 that is to just like, you know, Disney's programming your kids. 268 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.559 Like if you just say Disney's programming your kids, so 269 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:00.320 many people are like, oh, yeah, of course, and I 270 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.960 agree with that too. It's such a massive broad statement 271 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.360 that anyone could agree with it, which makes it popular. 272 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.080 But then if you start getting very specific and like, well, 273 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.679 how exactly what movie, what message did that movie give? 274 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.200 What were the actual real world effects, it's it's just 275 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.639 loses some of its novelty. So and I don't think 276 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.200 there's any one particular person to blame. I'm not sure 277 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.480 if there's like an Illuminati watchdog that's like, hey, you 278 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:29.080 better simplify that article, you know, to everyone that's writing something. 279 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.399 I think it's a self perpetuating issue where the masses alone, 280 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:37.960 they will relate to something more and more the more 281 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:42.000 like surface level it is. So why why would you 282 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.320 not lean into that if you know that that's just 283 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.919 something that we're all predisposed to. So that's why I'm 284 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.759 kind of saying it's like a two way street where 285 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:52.320 maybe certain types of industry lean in or they plant 286 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.720 really salacious stories that like will drive a headline, uh, 287 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:59.679 talking about something that would be easily knocked down later, right, 288 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.080 like just lob a nice little underhand that's like Disney's 289 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.000 you know, killing kids or something, and then Disney can 290 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.120 come out it might be back example, but Disney can 291 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.240 like plant that story and then come out and be like, 292 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.559 here's all records, We're not killing anyone. Look, if anything, 293 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:13.960 they're doing better if youve got all these money and 294 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.840 resources or something. If you make a specific claim, then 295 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.799 it can be denied. But if you make broad claims, 296 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.679 then they just have much more length to them, Like 297 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:23.240 they run for way longer. 298 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:27.080 Yeah, I heard Disney's programming your children, and then nothing 299 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.000 after that. It just went Haywhere. 300 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.200 The point being that people can easily make a claim 301 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.960 that says Disney's programming your children and everyone can agree 302 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.559 with it. Even if you're not a conspiracy theorist. You'd 303 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.600 be like, Okay, yeah, they're definitely programming my kids to 304 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.240 want to see the next Disney movie, for example. Right, 305 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.679 But when you start getting more specific, you make a 306 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.919 direct claim, you say, this group of animators that came 307 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.919 from this room at Caltech are all putting this specific 308 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.360 message into this movie for this reason. Once you get 309 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:05.079 into all those specifics, now you're inviting people or you're 310 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:08.400 almost like challenging yourself to go and do all that 311 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.759 research improve it, which is far less interesting than just 312 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.680 making the claim. And like everyone pats you on the 313 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:17.480 back and you move on to the next claim. You 314 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.519 can very easily just string together claims like Disney's program 315 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.359 in your Kids and go to the next one. And 316 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.160 there's an endless number of topics. And I think the 317 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.000 ultimate point being is that we also invite ourselves to 318 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.039 that party. Like if you entertain that even if you 319 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.119 agree with it, there is something more than just like 320 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.640 a top ten hits, Right, you don't know the band 321 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.400 if you only listen to their Greatest Hits album and 322 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.559 that's the only thing you've ever heard from them, right, Like, 323 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.400 you don't get all the extra nuance. And I think 324 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.640 that it's similar when it comes to like research. 325 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:56.039 Yeah, it really is. Like the thing about the Disney 326 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:01.599 programming Your Kids' problem is that yet they've done stuff 327 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:03.680 to kind of admit to it in recent times, haven't 328 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.480 they like edited stuff out, I mean, like the boners 329 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.720 and shit out of certain characters. 330 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.799 I mean, what is one of my favorite ones to 331 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.640 talk about though, Like the Big Castle from like Little 332 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:20.279 Mermaid is one of the examples. Right, There's also the Rescuers. 333 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:24.440 There's like a single frame that they show a naked lady, 334 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.000 like like a human naked lady in one of the windows. 335 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.039 Then there is the word sex that maybe comes up 336 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.880 in the Lion King when someone jumps on a ledge 337 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.240 and like dust and feathers go up in the air 338 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.400 and it forms this word. So like here's usually what 339 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.319 I mentioned when that comes up. What do you think 340 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.400 is worse for your kid that they saw maybe the 341 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:51.119 word sex for literally fifteen frames, so like half a 342 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.359 second they see this word. First of all, congratulations if 343 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.519 your kids can read that at the age where you 344 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.440 find that they're like so impressionable, but they see the 345 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.160 words and then there's like maybe a dick castle on 346 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.240 the back of the Little Mermaid poster. Do you think 347 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.720 that would be more traumatic to a kid and turn 348 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:10.880 them into like a prostitute, like now they're going to 349 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.079 be a sex addict for the rest of their lives. 350 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:17.599 Or is it the fact that Disney is basically doing 351 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.720 this Disney proxy thing where they kill the printal figure, 352 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.359 or they kidnap the kid and put the kid into 353 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.519 an actual state of panic in their real world life, 354 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.079 and then start selling them things. They start showing them 355 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.759 intellectual property that is then going to show up as 356 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.680 Happy Meal toys and lunchbox designs and you know, Halloween costumes. 357 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.160 I guess I would just argue that the ladder of 358 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.839 those right, conditioning someone by weaponizing nostalgia to just sell 359 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.960 them crap for the rest of their life is more 360 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.240 damaging than they might have seen the word sex like 361 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:54.319 float by in the sky for half a second somewhere. 362 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:56.240 It's not like you got to pick and choose. You 363 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.119 don't have to have either one of those, but it 364 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.440 just it's it seems that the Easter Egg type like 365 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.839 sort of insertions of these these dicks into the cartoons 366 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.880 and into the marketing material that if anything, I see 367 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.880 as like a like a subversion of Disney. Like some 368 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.960 artists out there was like, Haha, I'm gonna stick a 369 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.839 dick in in your pr and you're gonna spend millions 370 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:21.680 of dollars and then I'm gonna know there's a dick 371 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.559 in there, which is usually what a lot of those 372 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:26.680 claims come down to is they're Easter eggs that were 373 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:31.519 added by rogue animators as opposed to someone high up 374 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:33.839 in a boardroom was like, you better put a dick 375 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.759 in there, because we're trying to program these kids to be, 376 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.279 you know, like like sex ravaged animals. 377 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.480 Well, I could agree with that perspective, and I also 378 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.200 know how these things work because I work with people, 379 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.039 and I've most famously given the example of the lady 380 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.000 that couldn't stop smoking and couldn't get her relationships together 381 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:58.240 because her favorite movie was Bridget Jones's Diary, and she 382 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:01.519 would put that on every time she wanted to self soothe, 383 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.799 and she ended up living Virgie Jones's life, you know. 384 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.240 And things like that happen all the time with people 385 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.400 because it's really just the emotional content. But when it 386 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.920 comes to this stuff about seeing sex, it's really more 387 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:20.319 about what the subconscious mind is doing with that repetitively 388 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:24.640 when it's exposed to that over and over. There's something 389 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:29.279 about the word sex that makes anybody give you their 390 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.680 unconscious attention for about twenty five minutes. You can tell 391 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.160 them whatever you want to tell him, but whatever the 392 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.039 animators do with that I really don't know. I agree 393 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:40.440 with you where it's just like but probably a bunch 394 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.559 of weirdos that were like, let's put a cock over here, 395 00:21:42.599 --> 00:21:46.559 you know, and see what everybody does. But to say 396 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.319 that anybody knows for sure exactly why that was done 397 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.160 or what the purpose of something like that is, I 398 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:53.559 don't know. 399 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.400 Well, the stories I know the official story for every 400 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.519 one of these instances, and the so the Lion King Sex, 401 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.720